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Posted at 10:04 AM ET, 02/ 1/2011

D.C. United might acquire Charlie Davies on loan

By Steve Goff

D.C. United has been in serious discussions about acquiring French-based forward Charlie Davies, the once-promising American star whose career was derailed by injuries suffered in a car accident in Arlington, Va., in 2009, multiple sources told the Insider.

If a deal is reached, Davies, 24, would join the MLS team on a 12-month loan from Sochaux and report to training camp in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., as early as this week. One source believes a decision is likely in the next 24 to 48 hours.

Per club policy, United officials declined to discuss player pursuits. Lyle Yorks, Davies' agent, said that "we're in discussions for a loan possibility" but declined to identify a club or country. Sochaux has also stated publicly that it was trying to loan out Davies. Citing the sensitivity of the negotiations, several sources requested anonymity.

Although the international transfer window closed Monday in most of Europe, it does not prevent clubs from loaning or transferring players to leagues that have open windows. MLS's acquisition period does not close until April 15. Some Scandinavian countries are also able to acquire players. Before moving to Sochaux, Davies played for Hammarby in Sweden.

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Davies was a U.S. national team regular before the one-car accident in October 2009. While on national team duty ahead of a World Cup qualifier at Washington's RFK Stadium, he was a passenger in a car that crashed on the George Washington Memorial Parkway outside of Washington. Another passenger died; the driver pleaded guilty to involuntary manslaughter and awaits sentencing.

Davies suffered a broken right femur and tibia, a broken left elbow, a torn knee ligament, facial fractures and a lacerated bladder. He underwent months of rehabilitation and returned to training with Sochaux in the spring of 2010 but didn't make enough progress to warrant selection to the U.S. World Cup squad last summer.

Since then, he has played for Sochaux's reserve squad and has not made a first-team appearance. In order to get him regular playing time, Sochaux has been actively seeking to loan him.

United is apparently atop the MLS player allocation order, which applies when national team members seek to play in the league. However, because of the severity of Davies' injuries and the long layoff from high-level competition, it is unclear whether he would still be considered a national team player. In that case, he would be free to negotiate with any club.

Sources also told the Insider that United, in need of frontline help after setting the MLS record for fewest goals last season, had been interested in American forward Eddie Johnson, who on Monday was loaned by English Premier League club Fulham to second-tier Preston North End.

During the offseason, United signed free agent forwards Josh Wolff, a two-time U.S. World Cup member, and Joseph Ngwenya. However, the club has been actively pursuing additional attacking help. Last week, team officials said they would consider acquiring a forward on loan for the start of the season and then reassess the frontline situation when the summer transfer window opens.

Asked last week if United had made any progress in acquiring a foreign striker, Coach Ben Olsen replied: "Does it have to be a foreigner?" Reminded that few quality American forwards were on the market, he said: "Maybe."

In news from training camp in Florida, Abe Thompson, a veteran MLS forward from W.T. Woodson High School and the University of Maryland, was released and Colombian forward Yessy Mena, 21, began a tryout.

By Steve Goff  | February 1, 2011; 10:04 AM ET
Categories:  Americans Abroad, D.C. United, France, MLS, U.S. men's national team  | Tags:  Charlie Davies, D.C. United  
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Comments

Wow... Would love to see Charlie Davies in DC United kit. He would be the proven scorer United needs!

Posted by: seschless | February 1, 2011 10:12 AM | Report abuse

This seems very risky to me. Charlie gets paid A LOT of money and we dont know how healthy he is or what his state of mind is...

Posted by: strago | February 1, 2011 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Wow....this would be unbelievable.

Posted by: kdiff813 | February 1, 2011 10:18 AM | Report abuse

My guess is the hold up in the negotiations is over how much of that large salary Sochaux might be willing or able to pick up. He's potentially a world class talent and if his head isn't in the right place, I'd think he have a better chance of getting it right here, than bouncing around Europe.

Posted by: FulhamDC | February 1, 2011 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I realize Sochaux wants him back to full form, but why would they allow him to go back to DC of all places?

Posted by: Josh86 | February 1, 2011 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I agree with Strago.

Posted by: grubbsbl | February 1, 2011 10:21 AM | Report abuse

I like this for Davies. Like when Luke went into the cave on Dagoba to face his fears. Cut the head off of Vader and get back out there, kid!

Posted by: Logan_Circle | February 1, 2011 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I believe I called this after Olsen made claims of not looking abroad. But that was the only thing I've gotten right in years. DC has until the 3rd to finalize the loan btw.

Posted by: TenoriosLaptop | February 1, 2011 10:24 AM | Report abuse

that would be something for him to come back to area where his world cup chances went away, but even bigger picture someone involved in this died.....on the field, he scored a few ok goals in confed cup, but other than that i never thought he was US soccer scoring "great goal scoring hope"...but time in MLS may work...

Posted by: willworkforgoals | February 1, 2011 10:24 AM | Report abuse

LOVE this idea!

Posted by: bryangirkins | February 1, 2011 10:25 AM | Report abuse

What's the opposite of zzzzzzzz?

!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: TheAMT | February 1, 2011 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Jaw is to the floor.

Posted by: TheJim1 | February 1, 2011 10:26 AM | Report abuse

This is a good deal assuming United is able to cut Davies if he doesn't work out w/o having to pick up the expense of a guaranteed contract. Davies would be assuming as big if not a bigger risk than United if they can do a deal. If Davies can't cut the mustard here, he's probably out of soccer.

Posted by: Stevenho | February 1, 2011 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I might have to get a black jersey to compliment my white one, with "Davies 9" on the back to compliment my USA one if this happens.

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | February 1, 2011 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I like this for Davies. Like when Luke went into the cave on Dagoba to face his fears. Cut the head off of Vader and get back out there, kid!

Posted by: Logan_Circle | February 1, 2011 10:23 AM

winner.

@willworkforgoals - yeah that goal he scored to silence the Azteca sure was lousy.

Posted by: VTUnited | February 1, 2011 10:30 AM | Report abuse

There are some risks involved in this move and Davies has shown bad judgment in at least one high-speed driving incident since he's been back in France.

But if he's recovered enough to contribute at 80 or 90% of what he could do in Oct '09 this would be a very good deal for DC United as we have a glaring weakness in our lack of a legitimate scoring threat in our offense.

DC United should have enough money to pay for a season of Davies. If the team can get him for the full season at a reasonable cost and he's willing to train professionally then it's a worthwhile risk. We NEED a good forward and there don't seem to be any obvious other candidates being mentioned.

Posted by: Joel_M_Lane | February 1, 2011 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Not sure I see the risks here. He struck me as a hard worker and a quality forward when he was fit.

What's the downside? We spend some of Chang's money? I'm over that already. That he plays lights out and heads back before the season ends? I guess we run that risk...

Posted by: JkR- | February 1, 2011 10:40 AM | Report abuse

WOW. Could be great, could be a lot of money down a rat hole. Would not be boring.

If Davies were to get back to his pre-crash form, he would be the best striker in MLS.

Posted by: JeffMaurer | February 1, 2011 10:42 AM | Report abuse

yeah that goal he scored to silence the Azteca sure was lousy.

It was nice, but I have to agree with willworkforgoals somewhat. Davies missed clear chances in each of the last three qualifiers he played in - including one against Honduras that no striker should ever miss. But for some reason he often got a pass from the same fans that (rightfully) complain about Jozy's often spotty finishing.

Anyway, I'm not a DCU fan, but as a USMNT fan I'm pretty excited about this move as well. Davies needs games at this point, and DC seems like a great place to get them.

Posted by: BooThisMan | February 1, 2011 10:43 AM | Report abuse

it was a good goal he scored,but good goals come & go...i want a goal scorer to produce often & all types of goals...like Ruud van Nistelrooy...not saying they are same players..but that guy scored goals.....if he comes i'll support him & hope for the best, but i'm not going to get my hopes up for 10-12 goals from him....i hope the team gets that many goals this year!

Posted by: willworkforgoals | February 1, 2011 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Never mind 80 or 90%. We don't know if he can even play at the relatively slow pace of MLS; after all, he hasn't been successful at the relatively slow pace of Sochaux's *RESERVES*.

If this is the "proven goal scorer" the team has intended to go after, we're staking the season on the biggest gamble of any kind any MLS team has ever tried. Ever.

Posted by: christopher_a_metzler | February 1, 2011 10:43 AM | Report abuse

i agree with Joel_M_Lane in that there are not many obvious candidates out there...so i could see this and as a DC & US soccer fan I hope that maybe sucking up his pride, putting in the work, and putting goals away and creating offensive chances will help his career...and more importantly DC and USMNT

Posted by: willworkforgoals | February 1, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse

I'd definitely buy the CD9 DCU jersey!

Posted by: jleppig | February 1, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Put me in the "Not sure it's a good idea" camp. The lack of good judgement at least twice that we know of and how will that affect the locker room? Does he fit into the "Bennie" mold, I'm not so sure.

Posted by: boda-united | February 1, 2011 10:55 AM | Report abuse

And what, christopher_a_metzier, do we have to risk by gambling at this point?

We're coming off the worst season in our history. We scored the least goals in MLS history (remember that futile 2007 TFC team? Yeah, it was worse than that). We have a terrible stadium situation with hardly any hope going forward. What was once the most devoted fan base in the league has dwindled due to poor play and all the FO issues. We haven't kept a consistent roster over two seasons since the Nowak era. We do not have El Capitan anymore. Ben Olsen is the coach, when most predicted just a few years ago that he'd still be playing for the Black-and-Red at this point.

This team has taken risks and gambles in the past. But they were all on unknown commodities who didn't quite pan out. We know what Davies brings tot he table. We just don't know if he can produce at this point in his recovery. But that's ok. I'm willing to take a leap of faith, because I am sick and tired of a fruitless offseason with the FO not even TRYING to significantly better the team. At least if this move fails, they can say that they gave it their best shot.

And who knows? Who can say he won't light the league on fire and score 20 goals??

Posted by: kdiff813 | February 1, 2011 10:56 AM | Report abuse

It would at least put us back on the map and perhaps give us some leverage to negotiate w/ local governments for a stadium. At this point DCU has not done anything in two years to get anyone remotely excited about the organization, so I really don't see the downside of bringing him here and generating much needed buzz, even if he doesn't play at 100%.

Posted by: rademaar | February 1, 2011 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Awesome! Make it so, DCU!! Fans need a reason to buy that 3rd jersey!

Posted by: nairbsod | February 1, 2011 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Yes, an exciting possibility, possibly very high profile for DC, and also with significant risk because he has shown strong signs of immaturity. I think the question is whether Olsen (and maybe Tino) can help him continue to grow up and get back to form. If so, DCU can help itself at the same time it is making a huge contribution to the USMNT.

All the comments about his scoring seem to be focused on how he did in a US kit, but lets now forget the scoring binge in Ligue Un that got him his shot with the US team. And that is a stronger league than MLS (Jacques, speak to us). That he is not quite good enough to get PT in France does not mean that he cannot contribute for DC United.

Posted by: DCUSince96 | February 1, 2011 11:00 AM | Report abuse

i would have much more enjoyed having Eddie Johnson...guess from my Florida roots and I just prefer his play and have higher hopes in him...but he is off to the north end

Posted by: willworkforgoals | February 1, 2011 11:04 AM | Report abuse

As long as he stays off of the GW parkway, I think this could be really great.

MLS should do more one-year loans of young (read: not Beckham) talented players who need extra playing time in their club's off season.

Posted by: wmsiii | February 1, 2011 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I guess the loan is being held up while they seek a restraining order against Gene Wells....

heh heh


Seriously though, I did entertain this thought last week myself. I hope that DCU has some scouting or video --- that they're not just hoping the guy can still play. Count me in for a #9 jersey, too.

Metzler makes a point about the slow pace of MLS. Have you taken a look at the new DCU? We'd have Davies, Wolff, Ngwenya, Pontius, and maybe this 20 year old, Mena, on trial from Colombia. Najar and maybe Quaranta on the wings. This is a hi-octane offense -- speed to burn. It's going to be a track meet at RFK.

I can see why DC was pursuing EJ -- I've been predicting they would get him per allocation and I still wouldn't be surprised if they're holding out to get him in June. Still, Davies is worth the gamble. One question -- as a loan, does this go outside the allocation process?

Posted by: fischy | February 1, 2011 11:07 AM | Report abuse

get him now....i wonder if freddy adu is regretting his decision now.

Posted by: hamlin_todd | February 1, 2011 11:11 AM | Report abuse

In more important news, it seems that Barry Rice is on trail with Chicago

Posted by: TenoriosLaptop | February 1, 2011 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Of course it's a gamble. You don't know if he'll ever make it back. Even if he does, you don't know how far along he is now--he might take another year before he's physically where he needs to be (let alone in terms of being sharp and confident). That said.

--he has the potential to be physically a real handful for defenders. He was once very quick, quite fast and physical for his size
--you know he's not going to have trouble adjusting to American culture and probably not MLS. And that's a huge issue for foreign imports: for every guy who comes here an plays well (Carlos Ruiz--most of the time) there's a Sergio Galvan Rey who is incredible before getting here, stinks up the joint, leaves and is lights out.
--you know he's going to be motivated. He's not coming here for a paycheck. He's not coming here to enjoy the sun. He's not coming here b/c he's done everything he can in his career and figured it'd be nice to see America. This guy wants to use us as a stepping stone (to get back on the NT and bigger places in Europe). I'm fine with that.

So there's a gamble involved but as long as he passes his physical, it's a good gamble.

As for the EJ thing (which no-one has mentioned), that's likely a good choice as well. What people may not remember was that Quaranta and EJ had quite the partnership on the U17 side. EJ gives us a big, fast, dynamic striker who has had some great moments in MLS.

Posted by: JoeW1 | February 1, 2011 11:14 AM | Report abuse

In my mind I don't see this working out, but I'm hopeful. If EJ rocks it at PNE then we'll still be looking for a striker. If EJ sux then DCU will be able to afford him and bring him on during the summer.

Posted by: mbyrd28 | February 1, 2011 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Comoe on Eddie save PNE!!

Posted by: lovinliberty | February 1, 2011 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Can't see the downside for DCU other than the opportunity cost, but its not like US international strikers are lining up to play at RFK.

But I think it'll be a good long while before Bradley gives him a whiff of the national side. CD's comments after the WC selection were quite distasteful, especially after the way Bradley treated him post-incident.

Posted by: OWNTF | February 1, 2011 11:29 AM | Report abuse

@TenoriosLaptop,

Got your back.

I have the same question as fischy. Losing our place in the allocation order for a one-year deal is my only reservation.

Posted by: benonthehill | February 1, 2011 11:32 AM | Report abuse

CD9 missed his opportunity to play in the magnificent soccer palace that is RFK. Let's give him a chance now so that, when he looks back on his career in 10 years, he has no regrets. Besides, we already have the posters and the "9" signs (you guys didn't recycle them all, did you?).

Seriously though, what's there to lose. Does anyone think that DC should hold out for a better forward? If so, who? And, if we're concerned about his decisions, being near the GW Parkway every day should make him reflect on his choices.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | February 1, 2011 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I think there are two main concerns about Charlie Davies, assuming DCU can workout the loan:

1) Is he capable of playing at a high level?

2) Is he mature enough for a team that apparently lacked professionalism the past few years?

I'm not sure if there is a way to answer the first question, however what we have seen from him is a resolve and dedication to make a remarkable recovery from a terrible accident. This at least shows he is capable of putting in the hard work necessary to play at a high level.

The second question is probably answered by Ben Olsen's likely interest in bringing in Davies. I don't know how Ben thinks, but he doesn't seem like someone who will put up with behavioral problems. That said, maybe part of Sochaux's interest in the reason for the loan is to take Davies away from some bad influences.

Personally, if DC United is willing to spend the money, I'd love to see Davies play at a high level again wearing a #DCU kit.

Posted by: TCompton | February 1, 2011 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Also, I wouldn't say he hasn't been successful with their reserves. Hrs scored goals. A few of them. Worn the captain's band a few times, I believe too. They gave him a thumbs up with a spot on the bench before Christmas. I don't think I'd call him "unsuccessful".

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | February 1, 2011 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Davies is worth a try as is EJ.

Posted by: Ron16 | February 1, 2011 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Yes to CD, and keep Abe Thompson, too.

Posted by: Rand-al-Thor | February 1, 2011 11:56 AM | Report abuse

As kdiff813 pointed out, DC Utd. has lots of work to do. We were the crappiest team in the MLS last season. I think IF Davies is coming here, he's taking a huge risk himself, I mean we're not exactly ManU, sh*t, we're not even the Columbus Crew. But again, should he have an incredible season, get back to his pre-accident form, and all that good stuff - Sochaux will just snap him him back up and we're out a #9 and out a goal scorer. We need to think LONG TERM GOAL-SCORING SOLUTION.

Posted by: ChorzoMan | February 1, 2011 11:57 AM | Report abuse

As kdiff813 pointed out, DC Utd. has lots of work to do. We were the crappiest team in the MLS last season. I think IF Davies is coming here, he's taking a huge risk himself, I mean we're not exactly ManU, sh*t, we're not even the Columbus Crew. But again, should he have an incredible season, get back to his pre-accident form, and all that good stuff - Sochaux will just snap him him back up and we're out a #9 and out a goal scorer. We need to think LONG TERM GOAL-SCORING SOLUTION. Charlie Davis is Mr. Right Now, not Mr. Right.

Posted by: ChorzoMan | February 1, 2011 11:59 AM | Report abuse

id take a hungry CD9 over EJ any day.

to Fischy's point about whether the loan would count in the allocation order, when was the last time a Nat was loaned back to MLS from Europe? I know back in the day some of the "originals" were loaned back, but I dont think there was an allocation order/process back then.

Posted by: VTUnited | February 1, 2011 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I honestly just don't know how he is physically, whether he is just a bit slower or if he legitimately fragile still. It's important to ask, because a Davies who doesn't play effectively on the field is a liability off it.

He's frustrated, highly competitive, and has been a head case when faced with limitations.

I honestly hope we get him and he recovers his form, but there is a risk involved, and we should find out what his attitude is going into it.

Posted by: UnitedDemon1 | February 1, 2011 12:01 PM | Report abuse

kdiff813 wrote: "And what, christopher_a_metzier, do we have to risk by gambling at this point?

We're coming off the worst season in our history."

=====

(jeebus I hate the ancient blog software they have here at the Post)

What do we have to risk by gambling at this point? Another crappy season, of course. I'm not very interested in our staking our success on someone who might, if we're really, really lucky, come through for us. I want to stake our success on someone who's *likely* to come through for us.

Put another way, if Davies is all we've got planned for fixing our goal scoring woes, what we're doing is the soccer equivalent of saying "it's all up to you, little lottery ticket." Again: it's one thing if they still have a "proven goalscorer" in the works. But if Dvaies is it . . .yeah, sure, maybe we'll hit the Mega Millions jackpot. But the odds are very against it, and it's stupid to stake your future on it.

And why, exactly, should we have such low ambitions as to think that a gamble on a player who may not be able to play is as good as we can do? Other teams in MLS are able to make moves to bring in solid goalscorers. Why can't DCU?

Posted by: christopher_a_metzler | February 1, 2011 12:02 PM | Report abuse

whoah! This just blew my mind.

Posted by: DCB23 | February 1, 2011 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Davies would obviously be an upgrade on the DCU current crop of forwards, provided he is healthy. This could be the perfect place for him to revive his form -- relatively low pressure, plenty of playing time, comforts of home. I even feel that a pro like Josh Wolfe is a great player to mentor a young guy like CD.

I do have fear, however, that Ngwenya, CD, and even Wolfe are basically the same player -- quick guys who are deadly on thru balls and counters, can take people on at pace, but may not be the best finishers nor are they the greatest helping with build up play and will contribute zero definsively. JW, will help a lot with his passing and work rate, but none of the 3 is a out-and-out finisher/goal poacher that we need.

I'm relatively stoked though!

Posted by: tphasbdp | February 1, 2011 12:18 PM | Report abuse

OT: That Ben Olsen is one well dressed man.

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | February 1, 2011 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Szetela, part deux, except he will cost a hell of a lot more. This one has KP and Kasper's inept fingerprints all over it.

Posted by: marquezsucks | February 1, 2011 12:32 PM | Report abuse

You guys are nuts. First of all, you have no idea how much this would cost DCU, or not. Second, the only case where there would be long term implications is if CD tears it up here and DCU decides to buy his rights. Third, he's been back on the field for almost a year, and of course he'll get a medical and fitness test before any deal is finalized. Finally, you're talking about a full US international, generally not a bad building block for a last place team. Beats raiding the Riverhounds, anyway. Very little risk here, big potential payoff.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | February 1, 2011 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Szetela, part deux, except he will cost a hell of a lot more. This one has KP and Kasper's inept fingerprints all over it.

Posted by: marquezsucks | February 1, 2011 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Szetela, part deux, except he will cost a hell of a lot more. This one has KP and Kasper's inept fingerprints all over it.

Posted by: marquezsucks | February 1, 2011 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Szetela, part deux, except he will cost a hell of a lot more. This one has KP and Kasper's inept fingerprints all over it.

Posted by: marquezsucks | February 1, 2011 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Szetela, part deux, except he will cost a hell of a lot more. This one has KP and Kasper's inept fingerprints all over it.

Posted by: marquezsucks | February 1, 2011 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Szetela, part deux, except he will cost a hell of a lot more. This one has KP and Kasper's inept fingerprints all over it.

Posted by: marquezsucks | February 1, 2011 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Szetela, part deux, except he will cost a hell of a lot more. This one has KP and Kasper's inept fingerprints all over it.

Posted by: marquezsucks | February 1, 2011 12:36 PM | Report abuse

You guys are nuts.
Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | February 1, 2011 12:32 PM
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+1

Wait. Did you mean me too?

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | February 1, 2011 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I dont usually get tired of seeing the phrase "marquezsucks"...

Posted by: VTUnited | February 1, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Szetela, part deux, except he will cost a hell of a lot more. This one has KP and Kasper's inept fingerprints all over it.

Posted by: marquezsucks | February 1, 2011 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Szetela, part deux, except he will cost a hell of a lot more. This one has KP and Kasper's inept fingerprints all over it.

Posted by: marquezsucks | February 1, 2011 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Szetela, part deux, except he will cost a hell of a lot more. This one has KP and Kasper's inept fingerprints all over it.

Posted by: marquezsucks | February 1, 2011 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Szetela, Part Deux????????? Szetela had no work ethic at all. He expected to come back to mls and just play. Davies is a hard worker and has proven that by coming back from horrific injuries. This does has kp and dk's fingerprints on it, one smart move they are actually making. Read up on your s*^t before you post stupid crap.

Posted by: SoccerGod | February 1, 2011 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Tricky situation. Playing with reserves in the French Ligue 1 is not comprable to playing a full season against MLS defenses. Playing himself into shape will take most of the season if he even has the stamina to last that long. I love Charlie but this is a major roll of the dice.

Posted by: CHICO13 | February 1, 2011 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Marquezsucks, Part dix, saying things 10 times has a certain authority.. a certain authority.. a certain authority.. a certain authority.. a certain authority.. a certain authority.. a certain authority.. a certain authority.. a certain authority.. a certain authority..

Posted by: TenoriosLaptop | February 1, 2011 12:50 PM | Report abuse

The one side of the argument we have ignored: Is this a good move for Davies? Obviously, this is an important factor because Davies has to bd willing to come.

On the face of the move, it looks like a no brainer for Davies. He can come here, get minutes and work towards top form. However, I believe this move may n

Posted by: grubbsbl | February 1, 2011 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Any player is a gamble in MLS. I'd love to see Charlie get some swagger back in black n red. VAMOS!

Posted by: TheMightyUnited | February 1, 2011 12:56 PM | Report abuse

grubbsbl - did you have a stroke? Can you get to Twitter to tweet for help?

Posted by: JkR- | February 1, 2011 12:56 PM | Report abuse

someone's inept fingerprints were all over the refresh button.

Posted by: VTUnited | February 1, 2011 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Any player is a gamble in MLS. I'd love to see Charlie get some swagger back in black n red. VAMOS!

Posted by: TheMightyUnited | February 1, 2011 12:57 PM | Report abuse

If this is true and he does end up in a DCU uniform this year I am very excited for him and the club.

Posted by: no_recess | February 1, 2011 1:00 PM | Report abuse

This is awesome. I especially like that it's a loan, which easily mitigates any risk that might have been there.

Assuming this comes through, there's nothing left to do except a stadium deal.

What an awesome off-season. Olsen's Army is legit.

Posted by: -rke- | February 1, 2011 1:02 PM | Report abuse

The one side of the argument we have ignored: Is this a good move for Davies? Obviously, this is an important factor because Davies has to be willing to come to DC/MLS.

On the face of the move, it looks like a no brainer for Davies. He can come here, get minutes and work towards top form. However, I believe this move may not be the best for Davies. Think about this, if Davies comes here and fails, he is probably out of professional soccer. If he doesn't do this loan he continues his mystic among US and MLS fans which probably results in another contract in MLS after his contract in France runs out. (see John O'Brian)

Of course, this is line of logic is assuming Davies is a autonomous being who seeks only to maximize his economic utility. I personally do not agree with this type of pathologizing, and believe there are a variety of variables which go into play in the decision making process. I just wanted to throw another perception out there for debate.

All I am saying is don't be surprised if Davies turns this move down. In a strange way, turning the move down may ensure him one more contract -and one more pay day.

Posted by: grubbsbl | February 1, 2011 1:03 PM | Report abuse

I only just realized that there is a possibility that DCU could acquire CD9 for more than 1 year. If that is the case, then I'm sold. I'm sure there'd be a buy-back clause or a minimium release clause at some profit for DCU, but it would be worth it. I'm on board for CD9 if it means we can have him for more than 1 year.

Posted by: mbyrd28 | February 1, 2011 1:08 PM | Report abuse

"Davies suffered a broken right femur and tibia, a broken left elbow, a torn knee ligament, facial fractures and a lacerated bladder."

Sounds like an injury report following one of I-270's U9 games.

Posted by: Rand-al-Thor | February 1, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

I think grubbsbl may be suffering a bout of Sudden Boss Syndrome.

Posted by: dccal | February 1, 2011 1:18 PM | Report abuse

"Davies is a autonomous being who seeks only to maximize his economic utility"

I think this means that he wants the taxpayers to build him a stadium.

@Rand-al-Thor: That's just for me, after trying to get a parking spot at the SoccerPlex.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | February 1, 2011 1:21 PM | Report abuse

A boss? No, I'm a grad student who gets ordered around by a slew of people. All I am saying is there are reasons why Davies wouldn't want to do this move -reasons we as fans may think are stupid/rediculous but plausible when considered in a certain light.

Posted by: grubbsbl | February 1, 2011 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I dunno. I mean Davies is no Franco Neill.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 1, 2011 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Fair point, grubbsie. Anyway, I'm glad so many people are holding up the negativity end of things today in Ron16's absence. I mean, Ben Olsen is named coach, the Dax McCarty trade, the Kitchen draft, a Charlie Davies deal in the works maybe. If this is a boring and inept off-season, what would a good off-season look like? Oh yeah, MLS would transform into the Premiership and DCU would be Man U. Right.

Posted by: dccal | February 1, 2011 1:37 PM | Report abuse

And for the record, I hope this move goes through. I actually think Davies will be a success. And, I believe DC has had the best off season, in roster sense, it could possibly have had to date (short of a major DP signing which we all knew wouldn't happen).

Posted by: grubbsbl | February 1, 2011 1:42 PM | Report abuse

If this wasn't the most recent great hope at forward for the US people would maybe look at it a bit more objectively. How many goals has this guy scored in the last two years? Isn't he still coming back from extremely serious injuries? Didn't he have some issues with breaking team rules, lying to police, and venting in the media when not gift a 1st team place after said injuries? When was the last time he played first team football?

I hope it works out for both parties, but this is not the proven goal scorer that DC needs. This is another huge question mark at forward with recent injury and fitness concerns.

Posted by: Dancy1 | February 1, 2011 1:52 PM | Report abuse

There's really only one reason why Davies wouldn't bite at this offer -- he might get a more enticing one in Europe. The next 48 hours should tell the tale.

As for being a proven goal-scorer -- Davies certainly was that, before the accident. It does remain to be seen to what extent he can regain that touch. Fitness is never an issue for Charlie, so the real question is can he get his explosiveness and his touch back? I'd love to see that happen @RFK -- the place would rock.

You want fitness issues? Chelsea paid $80 million for Torres. How often does that guy have to miss games? That's a risk. Bringing in Davies isn't a big risk. Maybe he even even show the team a trick or two about training -- the way they do it in Ligue Une.

Posted by: fischy | February 1, 2011 2:11 PM | Report abuse

"after all, he hasn't been successful at the relatively slow pace of Sochaux's *RESERVES*"

We don't really know that this is true. It maybe that he has been very successful with the Sochaux reserves, but the people ahead of him on the first team aren't going anywhere. In other words, maybe he was excellent with the reserves, but not better than the 1st teamers.

Also, some doubters seem to be concerned with the cost. I never understand why folks are afraid to spend somebody else's money. I say get the best players Chang's money can buy.

I support this move.

Posted by: WorldCup | February 1, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Ben Olsen is a scruffy dog. from now on, I will hang on his every word. his coy little statement is best coaching move we've seen in years.

Posted by: hungrypug | February 1, 2011 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I don't think that CD has proven himself post recovery. However, I support bringing him on. It's clear to me that Ben's imprint on the team is similar to coach Brooks (USA Olympic Hockey Miracle coach: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb-hWG3cHMQ&feature=related)

He wants players who play with heart first and then support with talent. He picked players who were not necessarily the best players, but who would leave everything they have on the field. I believe Dax is one of those players. And there can be no question but that Charlie Davies is too.

Posted by: dsheon1 | February 1, 2011 3:02 PM | Report abuse

So, I guess this means we're not getting Robbie Keane?

Posted by: delantero | February 1, 2011 3:15 PM | Report abuse

CD hasn't proven himself with the reserver, as far as I know. I'm quite sure he hasn't come close to going 90.

Posted by: Reignking | February 1, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse

My thoughts are that Eddie Johnson would have been a near can't miss for DCU. If CD9 is on his way to getting back to full strength and his head is right, I think he will be a success too, but there is more risk attached to Charlie. I hope Charlie comes to DC and scores a bunch of goals. That would be nice!

Posted by: jjfooty | February 1, 2011 3:41 PM | Report abuse

IMO, the money would not be an issue. MLS pays for the first $ 360k, then we are responsible for the rest. DCU could easily sell 6k * $60 ( 1/3 of the fan base) jerseys to recoup his salary. So that's $ 720k right there + rest of money from VW for DP level salary. I doubt CD9 is making more than 1 million but you get the picture how we could afford him.

Posted by: Charisma_Man | February 1, 2011 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Go for it!

Posted by: adamsmorgan | February 1, 2011 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Rand-al-Thor | February 1, 2011 3:56 PM | Report abuse

OT - ATDHE appears to be down or blocked. Are there any other sites that stream the EPL games today?

Posted by: sofiaboy | February 1, 2011 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Warning: Off topic gripe.

Let me get this straight. The Post doesn't have the resources to give Steve a monthly or bi-monthly chat, but they can do video chats for a 10-year old who holds the record score in Dance Dance Revolution, a downtown office worker who went for an ice cream cone in the snow, and a frustrated parent who revenge-robocalled the PG school board.

Nice going Washington Post. I may not renew my lapsed subscription because you don't care about people who can read.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | February 1, 2011 4:15 PM | Report abuse

So -- back to our favorite topic -- offside rule. The refs really blew it in allowing Saha goal against Arsenal. I have to admit, I was a little unsure because I do recall the rule refers to a pass (or shot) by a teammate. FIFA gives clear direction, though, that a ball deflecting off a defender doesn't change the situation. I suppose one could argue that the Arsenal defender was more active in actually kicking at the ball, but that would fly in the face of the intent of the rule. It's one thing when a defender actually kicks the ball to an attacking player, but this was really a deflection, with the defender just trying stop or change the ball's flight.

Posted by: fischy | February 1, 2011 4:23 PM | Report abuse

sofia, I've read elsewhere that you should change the domain to .fm

Posted by: Reignking | February 1, 2011 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Did someone say "fm?"

Give her some funked up music, she treats you nice
Feed her some hungry reggae, she'll love you twice
The girls don't seem to care tonight
As long as the mood is right

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | February 1, 2011 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Warning: Off topic gripe.

Let me get this straight. The Post doesn't have the resources to give Steve a monthly or bi-monthly chat, but they can do video chats for a 10-year old who holds the record score in Dance Dance Revolution, a downtown office worker who went for an ice cream cone in the snow, and a frustrated parent who revenge-robocalled the PG school board.

Nice going Washington Post. I may not renew my lapsed subscription because you don't care about people who can read.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | February 1, 2011 4:15 PM
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This.

I mean Tracy Hamilton (nothing against her) can get a chat every freaking morning and yet Goff gets one like every 8 months.

Lord.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 1, 2011 4:36 PM | Report abuse

@I-270Exit1 - its also worth noting that SG has nearly 10 times the Twitter followers as the Redskins Insider, and 4 times as many as Steinbog, both of which have frequent video chat type discussions.

Posted by: VTUnited | February 1, 2011 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Goff has college basketball to worry about!

Posted by: Reignking | February 1, 2011 4:37 PM | Report abuse

the defender has to "play" the ball to wipe out offside. And "play" is defined as a controlled touch. So a deflection does not count.

Posted by: fedssocr | February 1, 2011 4:39 PM | Report abuse

You mean, college basketball has Goff to worry about

Posted by: TenoriosLaptop | February 1, 2011 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Sofia, try ESPN3.com?

As for Davies, I'd rather gamble on EJ at this point (never thought I'd type those words 18 months ago).

I am very skeptical. If it goes through, please feel free to prove me wrong Charlie. Just saying that I don't wanna hear a bunch of folks lauding this move right now crying about it in three months if Charlie underwhelms worse than the second coming of Christian Gomez. You ask you just might receive.

I love Davies, would be ecstatic if he could come here and succeed. I just don't really understand the thinking that it's low risk bringing him in, when people have done so much hand wringing about the forwards we have right now. We'll still be in that same boat, but with some serious baggage on our roster.
I'm down to roll the dice, I just hope there's a plan C.

Posted by: DadRyan | February 1, 2011 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Deflections counted...10 years ago.

No Andy Gray jokes?

Posted by: Reignking | February 1, 2011 4:46 PM | Report abuse

You mean, college basketball has Goff to worry about

Posted by: TenoriosLaptop | February 1, 2011 4:42 PM

boom.

Posted by: VTUnited | February 1, 2011 4:46 PM | Report abuse

DCU web site says CD9 to join the team in Florida on Wednesday....

!!

Posted by: JkR- | February 1, 2011 4:59 PM | Report abuse

sweet, they get to try before they buy, er, borrow.

Posted by: VTUnited | February 1, 2011 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Doin' the stanky leg right now.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | February 1, 2011 5:08 PM | Report abuse

sweet, they get to try before they buy, er, borrow.

Posted by: VTUnited | February 1, 2011 5:08 PM | Report abuse

So, nobody pointed out one of the catches on this deal.

We're top of the allocation list, and this costs us our allocation spot.

For a one year loan. You gotta figure if he has an amazing season, he's back to France next year, and if he doesn't, we probably don't want an extension anyway.

So, as much as I think it would be exciting to see CD in a DCU kit, I'm not sure it's worth the allocation slot.

Posted by: dkorn | February 1, 2011 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Doin' the stanky leg right now.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | February 1, 2011 5:08 PM

Gross.

Posted by: Rand-al-Thor | February 1, 2011 5:20 PM | Report abuse

@dkorn - allocation order wipes after this year anyway. there is no garuntee that any other Nats will be back this season even though it seems likely.

Posted by: VTUnited | February 1, 2011 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I wrote: ""after all, he hasn't been successful at the relatively slow pace of Sochaux's *RESERVES*"

worldcup replied with: "We don't really know that this is true. It maybe that he has been very successful with the Sochaux reserves, but the people ahead of him on the first team aren't going anywhere. In other words, maybe he was excellent with the reserves, but not better than the 1st teamers."

=====

Actually, we do know that this is true. If you've been following his rehabilitation much at all -- the stories out of Sochaux, the stories in the French football media, etc., as well as Sochaux fans who've gone to reserve matches and reported on what they saw -- we know that he has struggled to keep pace with play. The folks who've watched him have said exactly that.

*That said*, Goff's 5pm update indicates that the loan deal going through is contingent on a favorable impression from on-field evaluation, which makes me feel much better. But I still hope they're looking for a scorer who's less of a gamble, whether Davies looks good or not.

Posted by: christopher_a_metzler | February 1, 2011 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Let me see. How many people bought tickets to come out and see our big DP signing? How many flocked to RFK to see our big Aussie? Oh wait, you could hardly get into RFK because we brought in an ancient South American defender and later a young South American scorer. And damn if I didn't think it was free papusa night because of the Cristian Castillo crowd during the month he sat on the bench.

Add up all that wasted cash and tell me Charlie Davis will cost more and bring fewer fannies to the stands than our signings from a year ago. Go ahead and tell me.

Even if he is slower than Lucio he can't be as bad as last year's attempts to "improve the club."

Great signing. Welcome, to DC, CD.

Posted by: rcdwriting | February 1, 2011 7:14 PM | Report abuse

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