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Posted at 12:10 PM ET, 02/ 2/2011

Poll: Charlie Davies and D.C. United

By Steve Goff

American forward Charlie Davies is expected to arrive at D.C. United training camp in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., today and begin workouts Thursday as part of a week-long evaluation to determine whether he is physically able to compete at a first-team level. Did United make the right decision by pursuing Davies? Read Post fan-blogger Jeff Maurer's take on it, and vote:

By Steve Goff  | February 2, 2011; 12:10 PM ET
Categories:  Americans Abroad, D.C. United, Poll  | Tags:  Charlie Davies, D.C. United  
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Comments

Let me be the first to triple post everything I know about CD9's medical condition after my exhaustive research of the well known medical site "Twitter"...

Posted by: JkR- | February 2, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

@JkR
Weren't you also the one that sent the pics of his legs?? lol

Posted by: rockotodd | February 2, 2011 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Yes, the results of my previous medical research has been documented in this august blog comment journal...

Posted by: JkR- | February 2, 2011 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I voted for modest expectations, but I will likely be one of those deluded souls who is totally confused if he hasn't scored 15 goals by May.

Posted by: elopingcamel | February 2, 2011 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I'm a believer.. also now have slight interest in the tickets I was thinking about not renewing on.

Posted by: beergorila | February 2, 2011 12:54 PM | Report abuse

I have tempered expectations. But they beat the expectations of what I assume we can find internationally. The biggest thing that would help CD9 or a lot of other target/scoring players for DCU is the benefit of a better back line and more robust midfield.

15 goals by May - after last season, if he bags 15 by the October, I'm OK with that.

Posted by: VirginiaBlueBlood | February 2, 2011 1:16 PM | Report abuse

What a bunch of star crazed homers!!

Posted by: bonghits4gomez | February 2, 2011 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Actually, the choice I would have liked to have voted for was "yes, but too much uncertainty to know for sure."

Here's the reality of life in MLS. In order to get a good striker, you either need to:
--grow him yourself (draft and academy) and the chances of that are small and if he shows real talent that he leaves the league before he matures (see exhibit A: Altidore, Jozy)
--find a bargain from a smaller league (USL, Carribean, Central America) and how he can grow his game and adjust to life in America (see exhibit B: Ruiz, Carlos and exhibit C: DeRosario, Dewayne).
--sign someone who is aging and riding the bench but once showed real talent (see exhibit D: Angel, Juan Pablo).
--sign someone who is coming off injuries (see exhibit E: Casey, Conor)
--sign someone who didn't get it done and has been written off by the club (see exhibit F: Twellman, Taylor and exhibit G: Moreno, Jaime).

Otherwise, MLS can't afford a proven, world-class, in-his-prime, striker and goal scorer. So anyone we go after has some risks. Maybe Davies will never make it back to where he was (let alone what he could have been) due to physical or mental issues. But any choice we make has risks. This is a guy who will clearly work, at once had a huge upside, at one point wanted to play for us (before he went to Sweden), is young, will have no trouble adjusting to America, and potentially fills a critical need (attacker and goal scorer). And frankly, there's probably less risk than many foreign signings b/c we get a week to evaluate how far he's come and how much further he has to go. We didn't get a week to evaluate if Gallardo was committed to MLS or a week to determine if Niell was big enough to succeed in MLS: we had to decide and commit before testing the merchandise so to speak.

Posted by: JoeW1 | February 2, 2011 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I am hopeful for this situation but it wouldn't surprise me if he ended up injured and spent long stretches of the season not on the game day roster. Those were serious injuries requiring multiple major surgeries. He may still be a year away from top form.

Posted by: FrancoNiell | February 2, 2011 1:22 PM | Report abuse

bandwagon...
I hope he does well, but there really is not a whole lot to him if he doesn't have the explosive speed he used to have. I'm a homer as much as the next guy, especially for our Yanks, but I hope everyone is being realistic with themselves. Not sure how so many folks were still so skeptical of this season being anything other than a rebuilding year, and all of a sudden people are hailing United as the 2011 MLS Cup Champs?

Posted by: DadRyan | February 2, 2011 1:26 PM | Report abuse

I voted for modest expectations, but I will likely be one of those deluded souls who is totally confused if he hasn't scored 15 goals by May.

Posted by: elopingcamel | February 2, 2011 12:39 PM | Report abuse

+1

Posted by: grubbsbl | February 2, 2011 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I am now updating my prediction:

2011 MLS Cup AND Open Cup Champions

Posted by: rockotodd | February 2, 2011 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Everybody knows DCU _HAD_ to do something on the striker front. And every personnel transfer is a risky undertaking; there are no sure things. This is a good risk for DCU to take, on all fronts. This guy has scored lots of goals, played in a good league, and has already done a lot to come back from his injury. He is a guy the entire fan base can get behind, which is also a good thing.

Posted by: glfrazier | February 2, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

rockotodd -- Don't be so pessimistic. Surely, the team can manage a domestic triple. Don't leave out the Supporters' Shield.

Posted by: fischy | February 2, 2011 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Here's a video link that is barely safe for work. No full frontal nudity, but it's close. Perhaps everyone has seen this already but I saw it on Facebook. It's of Charlie getting dressed in his kit in France. It does give you a pretty good idea of how badly he was injured in the crash, but what is astonishing is that homeboy does appear to be in incredible muscular shape.
Again, the still on the link is graphic so watch your back, but the rest of the video is actually pretty tame.
http://vimeo.com/16212016

Posted by: DadRyan | February 2, 2011 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Who will take his place in 2012 when DC is in the CONCACAF Champions League?

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | February 2, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

bandwagon...
I hope he does well, but there really is not a whole lot to him if he doesn't have the explosive speed he used to have. I'm a homer as much as the next guy, especially for our Yanks, but I hope everyone is being realistic with themselves. Not sure how so many folks were still so skeptical of this season being anything other than a rebuilding year, and all of a sudden people are hailing United as the 2011 MLS Cup Champs?

Posted by: DadRyan

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I'm all for the optimism and excitement. My hopes have been crushed before; what's one more time? ;-)

I don't think many people expect 2011 to be an MLS Cup or Supporters Shield season for DCU. We just want to see progress. I, for one, would be very pleased with a mid-table finish and a shot at the expanded playoffs.

Posted by: PrinceBuster21 | February 2, 2011 2:00 PM | Report abuse

OK, I know there are folks trying to find a downside to this but I just don't see it.

This is a win-win-win situation.

It's a win for DC United because they get a striker who as someone else said is far better at 80% than anyone DCU trotted out to the center circle last season.

It's a win for Sochaux because they either get to find out if Davies still has any value to them and if so, they can either bring him back on form when the loan ends, or cash him and let him stay with DCU.

It's a win for Charlie Davies because he gets a chance to prove himself once again in games that matter rather than just reserve matches. And that has far reaching implications for his club and USMNT future.

There is no question in my mind that if healthy he will make a major impact. That's not homer talk, it's looking across the board at all MLS strikers. Among them, who's better than a healthy CD9? Not many, not many at all.

DCU defense remains a concern that could temper his impact but I actually think our defensive weaknesses last year were overexposed by our lack of any threat up front. IOW, this move alone could advance our back line's performance from dreadful to at least mediocre. And that's before any more personnel moves or accounting for the increased midfield depth now in place.

Posted by: cmjhawk86 | February 2, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Who will take his place in 2012 when DC is in the CONCACAF Champions League?

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | February 2, 2011 1:58 PM

**************************

It's important to have realistic expectations and realize that after Charlie Davies scores 25 goals in 2011 we will have to rely on someone else.

By 2012 either Jaime Moreno or Ben Olsen's son should be ready to step in and score 25...

Posted by: Joel_M_Lane | February 2, 2011 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I was among the optimists who voted for the likelihood that Davies would make a major impact if he can stay healthy.


But "major impact" is up for discussion. I think, if healthy, he should be United's main scoring threat and could score 10 or so goals. That would keep our opponents' defensive attention occuppied and help our other attackers such as Tino, Najar, Pontius, Bosko, Dax increase their scoring output, too. Remember last season no one scored more than 5 goals for DC United's paltry offense.

Posted by: Joel_M_Lane | February 2, 2011 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Nice offseason moves . . . team starting to look really good . . . Ghost of MLS Cups Past save us, but is United turning into the Redskins?

Posted by: regularfan | February 2, 2011 2:31 PM | Report abuse

fischy--
I didn't want them to get over-confident so I left out the Supporter's Shield.

Posted by: rockotodd | February 2, 2011 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Hamid
A guy, the Canadian, another guy
Najar, Quaranta, McCarty, Pontius
Wolff, Ngwenya, Davies

It's in the net! It's in the net! It's in the net!

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | February 2, 2011 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I got to think a 3-5-2 is reentering the conversation.

Hamid
Zaynor/Baresco-Jakovic-James
Simms-McCarty
Najar-Jakovic-Quaranta
Davies-Wolff

Bearing in mind we have Ngwenya and Pontius to back up Davies in as well as Kitchen to develop in defense or defensive midfield. Out of date? You can say that, but Najar and Quaranta at least know how to get back. Did I mention we'd get to use Kitchen?

Posted by: UnitedDemon1 | February 2, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Sure, it's a gamble, but at least there is hope. This is better than last season when despair set in after 3 or 4 games (for a lot of you guys it was earlier than that!).

Posted by: Senor_Funk | February 2, 2011 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Unless the terms of the loan are crazy negative, what's the harm in this? Free pub for DC United; a chance to get a young proven scorer that *might* return to form. Before his accident, Davies was a prominent national team striker. At least it's better than these unknown-south-american DPs we paid through the nose for these past few years. I mean can he be worse than Gallardo?

Posted by: tundey | February 2, 2011 2:58 PM | Report abuse

How about, all of the above?

Posted by: DCUSince96 | February 2, 2011 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I would say that although I do not expect it, I realize DC turning him down is still a viable possibility. If it happens, I will be very sad.

If he joins the team, I'll be excited. Probably buy a jersey. But with the fact that he may never be the same in the back of my mind. I figure I'll see all I need to to make a judgement by the games in Charleston. I'd he gets to that point, I'll save my set level of expectation for this season and beyond after those three games.

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | February 2, 2011 4:36 PM | Report abuse

if anything its creating a buzz....i'm for United & want to see the success my first full season attending games in '07 season...i grew up in central florida attending Tampa Bay Mutiny games (r.i.p.) and there was always that "why cant anyone beat them" feel for DC and now following them when mutiny fell apart and then lucky enough to move here...each year has gotten worse since '07 season..so i'm not going to get my hopes up and think for sure 15-20 goals...but if he is eager to get back to playing & wants to.....wait for it, work for goals...then lets get 'er done...told you i grew up in floriduh!

Posted by: willworkforgoals | February 2, 2011 5:43 PM | Report abuse

if anything its creating a buzz....i'm for United & want to see the success my first full season attending games in '07 season...i grew up in central florida attending Tampa Bay Mutiny games (r.i.p.) and there was always that "why cant anyone beat them" feel for DC and now following them when mutiny fell apart and then lucky enough to move here...each year has gotten worse since '07 season..so i'm not going to get my hopes up and think for sure 15-20 goals...but if he is eager to get back to playing & wants to.....wait for it, work for goals...then lets get 'er done...told you i grew up in floriduh!

Posted by: willworkforgoals | February 2, 2011 5:43 PM | Report abuse

I am very excited about Charlie Davies' possibilities with DC United, but I still believe we need to go out and get a credible goal scoring forward (preferably a strong in the air target forward, just think the opposite of Franco Neil!)

Posted by: alan19 | February 2, 2011 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Davies will be no better or worse than the opportunities he gets from Dax and friends (including our DP...whats his name again?

If our midfield comes through Davies will have a great season. If our midfield plays like they did last year I don't have high expectations.

Posted by: Southeasterner | February 2, 2011 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Hamid
A guy, the Canadian, another guy
Najar, Quaranta, McCarty, Pontius
Wolff, Ngwenya, Davies

It's in the net! It's in the net! It's in the net!

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | February 2, 2011 2:36 PM |
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Ah yes, but which net?

Posted by: fedssocr | February 2, 2011 6:58 PM | Report abuse

This is the foreign signing Payne and Casper were promising?zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Posted by: NICKYNUNYA | February 2, 2011 6:59 PM | Report abuse

How could a man with those legs not succeed in MLS? It just doesn't seem possible.

Posted by: BooThisMan | February 2, 2011 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Having Wolff, Ngwenya and Davies does bring up an interesting tactical question -- does this justify using the Dutch 4-3-3? Does Ben like this system, and does he know it enough to teach it?

It could make from some fun attacking soccer -- something I'd pay to see.

One could argue four midfielders would make sense to keep Najar on the field, perhaps as an attack midfielder, with Dax behind him. Does Ben want Simms and Dax playing every game?

For the first time in a long time, I think DC United has some options. Assuming, of course, Davies is fit to play.

Posted by: Rand-al-Thor | February 2, 2011 7:04 PM | Report abuse

45 days until DC United's first 2011 league match!

Posted by: Curious99 | February 2, 2011 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Of primary concern is whether DCU's crack training staff will provide an accurate evaluation and prognosis.

Posted by: getanewnumber10 | February 2, 2011 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Seems to me proven goal scorer's tend to leave MLS, not join it.

Who has joined MLS in the last few years that was a 'proven goal scorer' coming in? The goal scoring guys tend to emerge, not arrive as a finished known quantity.

No?

Posted by: JkR- | February 2, 2011 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Yah it's kinda odd too that somebody trying to recover from serious injuries would want to come to DC. Over/under on how long until a hamstring pull or a visit to Germany for hernia surgery?

Let's start the betting at 600 minutes.

Posted by: benonthehill | February 2, 2011 8:21 PM | Report abuse

that's a level of negativity I won't stoop to benonthe, I'm crossing my fingers Charlie isn't US Soccer's Saul Raisin.

Posted by: DadRyan | February 2, 2011 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Wow, that video really brings things into relief. You can read about his injuries all you want, but those pictures leave nothing to the imagination. He's lucky to be walking. He's lucky to be alive. I don't see any down side to this, at all. Just putting on his socks this guy kicks the crap outta anyone posting on this blog, hands down. He'll do fine. Go Charlie.

Posted by: loosek | February 2, 2011 10:37 PM | Report abuse

I just can't believe that they passed on Messi, but Davies is right up there.

Posted by: daggar | February 3, 2011 12:35 AM | Report abuse

I just hope DC makes the right decision. Davies has shown he doesn't know reality from fantasy (wanting to be in the WC team) and has made immature decisions.

Posted by: silentbat | February 3, 2011 2:39 AM | Report abuse

Over/under on how long until a hamstring pull or a visit to Germany for hernia surgery?

Let's start the betting at 600 minutes.

Posted by: benonthehill | February 2, 2011 8:21 PM | Report abuse

I would never bet against it. The DCU training staff has probably already booked an appointment for him and Dax for the exact middle of our season.

A side question is who on DCU hasn't gone to Germany for a sports hernia surgery? I think they even sent Talon there a few seasons ago after he was complaining about pain in his right wing.

Posted by: Southeasterner | February 3, 2011 4:20 AM | Report abuse

Can anyone else agree with the idea of using the 4-3-2-1? I think it may be the best formation for utilizing the talent we have. For example

Best-in-form-Keeper
Braseco - Jakovic - James - Zayner
Quaranta - Kitchen/Simms - Najar
Pick two: Boskovic/Pontius/McCarty
Davies/Ngwena/Wolff

Obviously defensive injuries will take place so Kitchen and White will be used.

Posted by: TenoriosLaptop | February 3, 2011 7:10 AM | Report abuse

Assuming reasonable health, why wouldn't Davies and Pontius be the first-choice pair up top? I expect much more from them than from Wolff and Ngwenya. Is that wrong?

Posted by: hungrypug | February 3, 2011 10:23 AM | Report abuse

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