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Posted at 10:06 AM ET, 02/18/2011

Poll: National Soccer Hall of Fame voting

By Steve Goff

The player ballot for 2011 inductions into the National Soccer Hall of Fame is set. The voters who will decide are Hall of Famers, select administrators and designated media members. Each voter can list up to 10 candidates. Any player appearing on at least 66.7 percent of ballots will earn election. Here's your chance to participate (unofficially, of course). Vote for as many as 10:

By Steve Goff  | February 18, 2011; 10:06 AM ET
Categories:  D.C. United, Hall of Fame, History, MLS, U.S. men's national team, Women  | Tags:  MLS, National Soccer Hall of Fame  
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I got to six:

Marco Etcheverry
Cobi Jones
Jason Kreis
Carlos Llamosa
Joe-Max Moore
Eddie Pope

Posted by: JkR- | February 18, 2011 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Cobi Jones, Marco Etcheverry and Eddie Pope...that's all.

Posted by: boda-united | February 18, 2011 10:46 AM | Report abuse

John O'Brien? That's kind of a joke vote, right?

Posted by: M__N | February 18, 2011 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Only 27% for Armas? Are you people nuts?

/Fire Homerism

Posted by: BooThisMan | February 18, 2011 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I named 10. I don't get a real vote in the induction process but the sportswriters who do should name lots of players if anyone is going to make it into the Hall. It's a pretty high hurdle for any single player to make it onto 2/3 of the ballots.

Eddie Pope
Cobi Jones
Mauricio Cienfuegos
Marco Etcheverry
Chris Henderson
Jason Kreis
Roy Lassiter
Earnie Stewart
Cindy Parlow

I think I also picked Valderrama (over RDA and Chris Armas). Without looking up their career stats I might have made some choices that I'd change if I had time to study and compare more carefully.

Women and men should have separate ballots to get into the same Hall of Fame.

Posted by: Joel_M_Lane | February 18, 2011 11:13 AM | Report abuse

The only problem with the Soccer "Hall of Fame" is that it is little more than a cobweb-ladden filing cabinet in a closed, boarded-up building in Oneonta, New York.

Posted by: Ron16 | February 18, 2011 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I'm surprised only 23% for Raul by the readers of this blog.

Posted by: WorldCup | February 18, 2011 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Women and men should have separate ballots to get into the same Hall of Fame.
Posted by: Joel_M_Lane | February 18, 2011 11:13 AM
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Probably. It's unlikely that any of the female nominees would get 67% of the vote. OTOH, on a separate ballot, it would be quite easy for a female nominees to be elected. Maybe a separate ballot and different rules (minimum 10 nominees or minimum 75% of the vote).

I follow women's soccer more than most (but less than some) and had to Google Danielle Slayton to refresh my memory.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | February 18, 2011 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Without looking up their career stats I might have made some choices that I'd change if I had time to study and compare more carefully.

Posted by: Joel_M_Lane | February 18, 2011 11:13 AM
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I have little interest in looking at stats, not least because it imparts a bias against players whose positions do not generate a lot of stats (e.g., defenders). Instead, I look for persons where the very mention of their name calls up memories of their impact on the game in this country, in whatever capacity.

Posted by: universityandpark | February 18, 2011 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Etchevery, Cobi Jones, Pope, Stewart, Kreis. Wanted to vote for O'Brien, just couldn't bring myself to do it.

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | February 18, 2011 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Earnie, Eddie, Cobi. No mas.

Posted by: Rand-al-Thor | February 18, 2011 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Cindy Parlow had 158 caps and 75 goals for the WNT. that should be a no-brainer, imo. even accounting for the subjectivity of these types of things, only 18% for her right now is an insult.

i think Kreis deserves better as well - retired as MLS all-time goal scoring leader and has since won an MLS Cup as a coach. he should be in Etcheverry territory. Nowak has more work to do, but i think he has a good chance to get there.

Posted by: dimesmakedollars | February 18, 2011 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I want to thank the Hall of Fame for including Mike Burns on the list. I have not laughed so hard in a long time.

Posted by: vze3jcnh | February 18, 2011 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Armas
Etch
Fraser
Jones
Kreis
Llamosa
Moore
Nowak
Pope
Stewart

I picked Fraser last over MacMillan on a coin toss.

Posted by: griffin1108 | February 18, 2011 12:32 PM | Report abuse

I want to thank the Hall of Fame for including Mike Burns on the list. I have not laughed so hard in a long time.

Posted by: vze3jcnh | February 18, 2011 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Parlow will be a layup in the real vote, because it includes a lot more people who are familiar with women's soccer. (Also, our current WNT is perceived as being not as good as the previous generation, which will favor members of that generation.)

Kreis will miss out, as will Fraser, because it's essentially an 'American Soccer' HoF and not an MLS HoF. If you're American, that means you basically needed to have a major NT career. I could easily see Joe-Max getting in ahead of him in that context.

Similarly, I think the only foreign player who has any shot is Valderrama, as his overall 'ambassador effect' will have more weight than Etcheverry's championships.

Posted by: stancollins | February 18, 2011 12:33 PM | Report abuse

For me, a Hall of Fame inductee should be special. It should also be limited and selective. Some, but not all of the things to consider:

Do they/Did they hold a significant record (goals, assists, shutouts...)?
Did they have a defining moment that impacted the game as a whole ("goal heard around the world"...)?
Were they one of the best players of their era at their position (any league, any team, era = several years)?
Were they an ambassador of the game during their career (popular house-hold name regardless of ability, played abroad in high level leagues)?
Not to be ignored, did they do anything to merit EXCLUSION (serious criminal activity...)?

After all that, I come down with:

Cienfuegos (2nd best player in MLS)
Etcheverry (best player in MLS)
Jones (Ambassador to the game)
Moore (barely)
Parlow (impact player for nearly 10 years at the international level)
Pope (Dominant center back at all levels. Turned down European offers to help build MLS)

Kreis nearly missed. He was a prolific goal scorer in MLS, but only held the record for a short time. He's prove to be an excellent manager which further increases his value, but I am only looking at playing careers.

Posted by: SoccerVA | February 18, 2011 12:34 PM | Report abuse

@stancollins -- I never was impressed with Parlow. Big yes, but slow and just wasn't a game changer. I would put MacMillan ahead of her, a much more dynamic and dangerous player.

Posted by: griffin1108 | February 18, 2011 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Valderrama held the assist record when he retired. Cobi (who you've got) holds the NT caps record.

Posted by: stancollins | February 18, 2011 12:50 PM | Report abuse

@stancollins -- I never was impressed with Parlow. Big yes, but slow and just wasn't a game changer. I would put MacMillan ahead of her, a much more dynamic and dangerous player.

Posted by: griffin1108 | February 18, 2011 12:36 PM

I suspect they're both eventually in, and it's mostly a question of whether it's this year.

Posted by: stancollins | February 18, 2011 12:52 PM | Report abuse

@stancollins -- I never was impressed with Parlow. Big yes, but slow and just wasn't a game changer. I would put MacMillan ahead of her, a much more dynamic and dangerous player.

Posted by: griffin1108 | February 18, 2011 12:36 PM

I suspect they're both eventually in, and it's mostly a question of whether it's this year.

Posted by: stancollins | February 18, 2011 12:53 PM | Report abuse

@stancollins -- I never was impressed with Parlow. Big yes, but slow and just wasn't a game changer. I would put MacMillan ahead of her, a much more dynamic and dangerous player.

Posted by: griffin1108 | February 18, 2011 12:36 PM

I suspect they're both eventually in, and it's mostly a question of whether it's this year.

Posted by: stancollins | February 18, 2011 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Everyone has their own criteria but, if in doubt, I prefer career stats over highlight moments. So the long and productive career of a Chris Armas (d-mids don't get that many highlights anyway, in my view) is better than Pando Ramirez' one shiny moment.

So Eddie Pope gets in for his long career as a top defender more than his Cup winning header in the 1st MLS Cup (but they are both fine things on his resume).

The most important things for those of you in DC is to ditch work or at least take a loooong lunch break. It's a gorgeous sunny Spring day in February!

Posted by: Joel_M_Lane | February 18, 2011 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Jason Kries, MVP
Can't score a goal for the National Team

(to the theme of Jesus Christ Superstar)

Posted by: Palin-McCain2012 | February 18, 2011 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Jason Kries, MVP
Can't score a goal for the National Team

(to the theme of Jesus Christ Superstar)

Posted by: Palin-McCain2012 | February 18, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Why does Joe Max Moore have the 5th most votes? Maybe I am biased or forgot some things, but I never thought he did much.

Posted by: Dancy1 | February 18, 2011 4:57 PM | Report abuse

agree with masses:

etcheverry
jones
pope
stewart

the other no-brainer for me is moore.

no, stats dont always tell the story but 100 caps and 24 goals (4th behind only LD, wynalda and mcbride) = automatic.

never really got a chance to shine in a WC, but he'd make my all-time starting 11, sitting in behind mcbride, with LD and dempsey wide, reyna pulling the strings, dooley doing the enforcing...

and who can forget his wonder strike to down argentina at RFK...

Posted by: rainORshine | February 18, 2011 5:16 PM | Report abuse

The lack of support for Robin Fraser is near criminal. He is right behind Pope as the best central defender in MLS history, being MLS Best XI 5 times (Pope only made the list 4 times), while Pope made the All Time Best XI list over Fraser.


Posted by: mcontento | February 21, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

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