The White House Mess: This Time, It's Personal
Q. As I survey the candidates, how much weight should I give to a messy personal life (Hillary, Rudy) versus an exemplary one (Barack, Mitt)?
A. Let's see. Messy personal lives: Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan, John Kennedy, Franklin Roosevelt.... Exemplary personal lives: Jimmy Carter (besides that whole lust in his heart bit), Richard Nixon, Herbert Hoover....
Okay, okay, I know: What about Abraham Lincoln? Greatest all-time White House tenant, square as could be. (As far as I know -- if you have smut, do share.) But bringing Lincoln into your argument is the antithesis of invoking Hitler on the other end of the spectrum. It ends the discussion, because there is nowhere to go from there.
My view is that a messy personal life, so long as most of the messiness is in the past, needn't disqualify you from the highest office in the land. Most voters are discerning and mature about weighing such personal matters without applying ironclad rules. Americans like redemption, especially if they can play a role in it. They like seeing that an individual has grown as a result of his or her trials and errors. So beware of politicians who don't seem capable of emerging from the mess.
The flip side is that voters are skeptical of candidates that appear too squeaky clean. Jimmy Carter may have been deemed too priggish for the presidency if he hadn't run as the antidote to Watergate. And in 2000, all those vague references to Dubya's raffish past didn't hurt him.
Voters are wary of surprises down the road, too, and in that sense a bit of a messy past (Rudy may be pushing it here) can be an advantage in terms of inoculating a candidate from charges of hypocrisy. As they say on Wall Street, the bad news has already been priced into the stock.
Speaking of Bill Clinton: Remember how, during all the melodrama, he would repeat his mantra about needing to "get back to the work of the American people"? In addition to weighing how messy personal lives affect a candidate's character, voters want to know whether it affects his focus and productivity (these guys are employees, after all). So unpleasant revelations about a political leader's personal life will be far more damaging if that leader is perceived as ineffective or, worse, inattentive. Just ask the current mayor of Los Angeles.
Q. I support Barack Obama and don't understand why so many are willing to believe he is inexperienced when he has more legislative experience than Hillary Clinton or John Edwards. I know he has tried to dispel this, but it seems to stick. Why?
A. Here's a guess: A lot of people think Barack Obama is inexperienced because he is inexperienced. Among those who worried that half-term senator from Illinois lacks experience was one Barack Obama, back when he was pondering whether to run for president. (Someone close to him told me as much.) And you cannot dodge the Obama inexperience issue by pointing the finger at Edwards and Clinton -- Obama was still an Illinois state legislator the last time we held a presidential election.
If I were Obama, I might respond to the inexperience charge this way: Relevant experience doesn't necessarily translate into sound judgment. (Obama makes this point repeatedly in talking about his opponents' initial support of the war in Iraq.) Obama sounds silly when he argues, as he did last Sunday on "Meet the Press," that he's been "in public office" longer than Clinton. Better to attack Clinton's "experience" over the past 15 years engaging in the type of petty, ugly partisan warfare (much of it, admittedly, initiated by the other side) that most of us find so tiresome. A vote for Clinton, he should make clear, is a vote for continuing tribal warfare in Washington.
I have no idea if he can pull this off. But it's his best shot. And while I say that Obama may have worried whether he was experienced enough to run for president (in light of discussions like this), I have no doubt that he feels entirely comfortable that he is prepared to be president -- and that serene confidence is one of his more appealing traits.
Q. I like John Edwards's policies, especially on poverty, but I can't imagine voting for someone who gets $400 haircuts. Is this rational, or should I just get over it?
A. Two thoughts on this tired subject of presidentiables and their coiffs. First, Edwards isn't the candidate in need of a $400 haircut (et tu, Dennis?). Second, don't worry -- given your candidate's protectionist policies, plenty more mundane things will start costing $400 if he wins, so 400 bucks for a haircut won't seem like such a big deal.
By Andres Martinez |
November 13, 2007; 12:00 AM ET
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Posted by: R. Mayfield | November 16, 2007 4:27 PM
Has anyone noticed that a draft-dodger trumps a decorated Vietnam Veteran for president? Has anyone noticed that the only monogamous Republican candidate for 2008 is Mormon? Has anyone noticed that a family-values evangelical has embraced a thrice-married philanderer for president? All of those subtle distinctions have been obscured by the fog emanating from our possibly intelligent but definitely simple-minded president. Somehow, ordinarily intelligent Americans, are buying nonsense when qualified leadership is being offered. Obama, Clinton, Edwards are competent, thoughtful, capable-of-complex-thought leaders. Why would anyone choose a Bushie-me-to candidate?
Posted by: drkrmdr | November 13, 2007 11:35 PM
From the article:
"What about Abraham Lincoln? Greatest all-time White House tenant, square as could be."
Greatest?? Over 600,000 American's dead on their own soil and you call him the GREATEST? No use in reading the rest of the column after that as your perspective is obviously skewed beyond repair.
Posted by: IM1Realist | November 13, 2007 9:38 PM
This is uncanny - just linked from Andrew Cohen's Bench Conference where he praised Sandra Day O'Connor's grace upon learning hubby's in love with another woman. If Mr. Martinez can't comprehend the difference between fidelity and infidelity, keeping a marriage together and breaking one up, tossing aside a spouse and standing by one, leaving a child behind and staying for a child's sake, he ought not to be allowed out of his house, much less online writing for WaPo. Please, WaPo? We need an editor here.
Posted by: jhbyer | November 13, 2007 9:31 PM
More facile witty crapola.
Issues, and how the candidates will deal with them. That's what I want to read in a newspaper.
It's easy to be a smart ass. It's tough to write without an ego and a bit of wisdom.
Andres: time to grow !!!
-- stan
Posted by: Stanley Krute | November 13, 2007 8:30 PM
I agree with the posters who question why this is even published.
Also, I would like Ms. Howell to know that in the future I will immediately discontinue reading any article containing the word 'mantra.' Unless its about meditation.
Posted by: Lamb Cannon | November 13, 2007 7:41 PM
This Andres Martinez is like the loud drunken obnoxious a-hole at a party who makes rude personal remarks about the other guests and then when called on it claims "that was just a joke".
The Post wants to keep up focus of American politics on haircuts and cleavage rather than on the economy, Iraq or the Constitution. So it starts this stupid column and then when challenged on it says its just 'humor'
Posted by: LOL | November 13, 2007 6:54 PM
I agree with Helena. I don't think Hillary has had a messy personal life. Here husband cheated on her. How is that her fault?
As far as $400 haircuts. Think of it this way. Someone earned $400 to pay his rent and buy food. Edwards has a 10 million dollar house. Think of how many people worked and earned money building that house. Maybe they would have been unemployed if he hadn't hired them.
He has money. What's he supposed to do with it? Give it away? Sit on it?
Posted by: RL RITT | November 13, 2007 4:53 PM
Wow, what an a-hole!
Posted by: Greg in LA | November 13, 2007 4:49 PM
Wow. Can the Post's coverage get any more vapid? Please get rid of this nonsense.
Posted by: Anonymous | November 13, 2007 3:54 PM
A presidential candidate should be someone who gets the voters excited about having the exceptionally qualified candidate
lead the nation into a better place than it is now.The ideal is not a candidate that does not have the moral fiber to dismiss a husband who has asked to be released from a bad marriage (Bill asked Hillary for a divorce before becoming president...she balked)and then gone on to do the unthinkable. The character question is why did she stay in this perverse marriage? It is not that Bill had not had numerous affairs and drunken bouts with women outside the marriage in Arkansas. No amount of posing as a happy family in public now can blind the public to that. As for the republican smear machine, one cannot blame Bill's LIES to the American people about his immoral behavior on that. The only "smear" visible was on the infamous blue dress. Bill did that all by himself.There are countless moral American women who have left unfaithful husbands, and Hillary's behavior sickens them. Giuliani is checkered-there are questions about his choice of partners and judgments, but he did say that while he might have screwed up on some things, his dedication to the job could not be questioned. In a toss up between Hillary and Giuliani, he would be favored. He has not put forth a boondoggle of a healthcare plan doomed for failure and cost the American taxpayers the millions and millions spent on her half-baked idea. No, I do not want someone like that making economic and foreign policy decisions.Let her do what she is good at: raising one child stigmatized by a mother so ambitious that she looks the other way and a father who wished he were with someone else.Romney is the right candidate. He shows good judgment, moral fiber, right accomplishments, and all the good stuff that we look for in a candidate. About the only thing that we would want to know is, what kind of job permits for foreigners is he favoring (we do not want half of India- and extended family entourages- here as engineers and convenience store workers) and whether he plans to flood Washington with mormons.The other candidates are also ran(s)...Obama ought to just start his nonprofit and work with the poor.Edwards can spend his enormous wealth having as many expensive haircuts as he wants-he earned the money to pay for them and that's OK.
Posted by: 1voice | November 13, 2007 2:45 PM
I don't understand the comment that Obama's longer time in public office versus Clinton's is a silly argument to make. He did some wonderful things in the Illinois legislature, while Hillary accomplished very little all those years as first lady except to make a mess of health care reform. Hillary is just leaning on Bill's experience for her experience. That doesn't make a strong president. Obama's experience is more extensive and most important, it is his.
Posted by: Lynn | November 13, 2007 2:23 PM
Well, there was that little pecadillo of Lincoln's - he was so fond of a certain young man that he was known to share his bed with him in the White House. No doubt it was just that 19th century intense friendship thing.
Posted by: James | November 13, 2007 1:26 PM
what the hell is this? and why is the Post associated with whatever the hell it is? i'd consider geting rid of it ASAP, before this gets any worse...
Posted by: jps | November 13, 2007 1:22 PM
There is a difference between making mistakes and fundamental character defects.In the case of Bush and Giuliani,they are definitely belong to the latter case. They are reckless,impulsive,ignorant,bulling,stubborn,weak,and opportunistic. Once you put these type of person in high position, they will abuse the powet and make a mess out of every thing they touch. The Bush administration is good example. Watch out for Giuiani as the president, he would to the same thing if not worse. Can the country afford that to take the chance.
Posted by: john y. cheng | November 13, 2007 1:06 PM
Who gave this idiot a column?
If I wanted to read this biased crap, I'd go to a campaign website.
Posted by: Shawn | November 13, 2007 12:00 PM
Who is Andres Martinez and why is he given this platform to write this ridiculous, uninformed crap? Inquiring minds want to know.
Posted by: Anonymous | November 13, 2007 11:55 AM
Lincoln had some serious problems, including suffering from what was probably clinical depression after he was rejected as a suitor as well as a wife who was probably mentally ill herself. He definitely had a messy personal life, though in a different way from Bill Clinton, JFK, etc.
By the way I'd like to include Lincoln's description of his depression. As a former sufferer from this disease I've never seen it described better:
"I am now the most miserable man living. If what I feel were equally distributed to the whole human family, there would not be one cheerful face on the earth."
Posted by: Jon Webb | November 13, 2007 11:52 AM
'given your candidate's protectionist policies, plenty more mundane things will start costing $400 if he wins, so 400 bucks for a haircut won't seem like such a big deal.'
you are truly a moron. what a waste of bandwidth. not funny, not anything, pure juvenalia.
Posted by: drindl | November 13, 2007 11:01 AM
PLLLEEEASE!! Richard Nixon led an exemplary life!. What planet have you been living on?
Posted by: diane | November 13, 2007 9:32 AM
Let's review: Hillary has held her marriage together and raised a model daughter to adulthood. Why on Earth should she be lumped together with Giuliani, who has made a complete hash of his personal life?
Posted by: Pericles | November 13, 2007 9:28 AM
Lincoln had a pretty wild personal life what with his wife being insane, and losing his son in the middle of the Civil War... also struggled with depression for much of his life.
Probably the mot square of the presidents was "Silent Cal."
Posted by: Mr. Vidal | November 13, 2007 9:21 AM
The way the candidates lead their personal lives gives us a hint as to how they will lead their public lives. The old argument for Presidents maintaining expemplary personal behaviour was that they could be blackmailed and thus compromised in their public conduct as much as it was based on moral values.,
What's this all about anyway? Is it that now that the shoe is on the other foot, (those ha ha ha, beyond hypocritical, so-called "values voters" the Republicans, and their reprehensible candidates have been revealed to be murderous, immoral hypocrites, the Post is going to start a campaign to overlook personal perverted conduct and let bygones be bygones thus giving Rudy and the rest of the right-wing rapscallions a pass?
An eye for an eye I say, the Clintons were persecuted and impeached by the Republican Smear Machine and the media, Gore and Kerry were persecuted by the same, (Hi Chris, Tim, CNN, need I bother to mention the tacky Republican FoxNews outlet?)
So. now that it's the Republicans' turn you want to change the rules to protect them? NO! they shouldn't be given a pass and yes, they should be justly shredded into tiny little political bits. NO pass for the Republicans.
If Mitt Romney as president were to treat his subjects like he did his defenseless dog, it would be nothing but a continuation of the craven conduct of the George Bush regime.
The worst thing that could happen to this nation would be for another Republican to be elected president. If that happene, we will never learn the depts of depravity that this regime has sunk to and boy, does that worry Georgie. Another Republcian president would be a disaster beyond our wildest imaginations.
Posted by: ARIEL | November 13, 2007 8:35 AM
Some like to say Clinton was distracted when Republicans were going after him. However, he did strategically bomb Iraq not long before he left office and WMD's were never found by Bush. Of course when he did this Republicans claimed he only did it to take attention off their investigations. Goodness, after all the Republican investigations (when they could have been doing the peoples business) all they could come up with was to attack his personal life because Republican politicians, after all are the party of the highest family, moral values? When Clinton was president other countries were our allies, which means we had more countries willing to stand with us, which equates to more security. We had a truly thriving economy. Wages were far from stagnant as they have been for the past 5 years under total Republican control. One Clinton was good for our country and because I believe behind every good man is a good or better woman; I say we need another Clinton for president to clean up the mess Republicans have created with their best judgment.
Posted by: tiredofit | November 13, 2007 7:05 AM
Lincoln was not a square. He was subtle, sly and garrulous and was often the profound jester.
Posted by: otter357 | November 13, 2007 6:47 AM
The haircut thing was a joke! I'm for Edwards and I laughed. Obama is giving me a feeling like I should give the guy a second look. I'm not a Hillary hater, she's mighty and competent, and the best qualified, but the corporateness of her and the Bush Clinton Bush Clinton thing really offends me.
Sir/Ma'am, don't let the 400$ haircut figure in. Two thirds of the candidates have had 400$ haircuts. I agree its retarded, but in the celebrity world...it happens. Kucinich could get an excellent, shorter, more modern haircut from me for 35$. I take that back; I'll do it for nothing, as I really like the guy.
Posted by: otter357 | November 13, 2007 6:41 AM
I cry foul at the John Edwards comments, and I'm not even a supporter of his. Honestly, though, why is his pricey haircut such a topic of derision? Let's see the expense accounts of other candidates, their clothing, shoes, vacation spots. Also, if the poor are waiting for a poor guy or gal to champion their cause they're gonna be waiting forever.
Posted by: Ubermouze | November 13, 2007 5:32 AM
Q. As I survey the candidates, how much weight should I give to a messy personal life (Hillary, Rudy) versus an exemplary one (Barack, Mitt)?
I don't see anything in Hillary's personal life that would exclude her from being president--she's been married only once and herself has never committed a public marital indiscretion. I do see a great deal in her professional life--i.e., that she's dishonest, pathologically ambitious, she shares Dick Cheney's geopolitical goals, and she's channeling Karl Rove to run her campaign.
As for Rudy, his public and private lives are so entwined they are difficult to separate--he's shown such very public poor judgement in both. Also, there are his not very well concealed ties to organized crime. You really need to look at the totality of the candidate when you make your decision.
Posted by: Helena Montana | November 13, 2007 5:00 AM
As far as Obama's inexperince he has been right about two things.
We should not treat Pakistan "Musharaf" as if they were the UK.
He was scolded for that and he was 100% right.
Secondly he stated he would talk to the Iranians.
If Americans understood anything about Iran they would know they do not have the capability to make you wear a Burka.
They have the GNP of a state like Indiana.
In other words White America needs to stop being scared of everything they do not understand.
How bad could Saddam be since we sold him the weapons he killed the Kurds with.
After 9/11 he was the second worst person in the world next to Regans favorite freedom fighter Bin Laden.
Republicans created these monsters just like Musharaf.
Posted by: Anonymous | November 13, 2007 4:26 AM
A messy personal life does have an affect on candidates. Bill Clinton was used as an example. Not only did he betray his wife, he betrayed the poor with his welfare reform and betrayed Gay-Americans when he came to office on a rainbow of Gay pride and then gave us Don't Ask, Don't Tell but to top it off-The Defense of Marriage Act. Betrayal in his life is a pattern that a month in the country just doesn't fix.
Trust is a major issue, especially when voting for a presidential candidate. Considering Hillary's refusal to respond specifically to questions about how to fix Social Security, about illegal immigrants and how to end the war in Iraq, it appears betrayal might be on the offering for those who vote for her and want these issues resolved. It appears that betrayal for the Clintons may be contagious.
Posted by: Steamboater | November 13, 2007 4:22 AM
I agree that protectionism will raise the price of many things, but haircuts would seem to be naturally immune to foreign competition. It's one of the few services you usually have to get not just domestically, but locally.
Posted by: Tim | November 13, 2007 3:08 AM
Somebody tell me this: Is this column supposed to be funny? Or what? I think it's what...
Posted by: dolores | November 13, 2007 2:16 AM
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This new feature adds absolutely nothing to the Post's
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Posted by: TeddySanFran | November 13, 2007 12:34 AM
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Actually the questions asked of Martinez sound a whole lot like those planeted questions for Hillary. For your edification, Edwards' so called "protectionist policies" will end outsourcing, the favorite Republican tool to inflate stock portfolios at the expense of all Americans whom they hope will then have to join the military so they have more lives to sacrifice on illegal endless wars.
Please if you are going to try and offer such BS about Republicans know what you are writting about.