How to Eat Crow Gracefully
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Dear Stumped,
I am feeling gracious today, so I will go easy on you.
With Hillary Clinton's victory in New Hampshire, are you going to ramble on about how Barack Obama can gracefully bow out? Or has this been a humbling experience and will you be apologizing to Hillary?
Best Regards,
Venkat
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To: Stumped
From: scott thach
Subject: How to Retract Gracefully
I'd recommend white wine with crow. Enjoy it.
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Dear Scott and Venkat,
Thanks for the undeserved graciousness and the tip ... one of those New Zealand Sauvignon Blanc wines did help with the crow.
I can assure you that I felt like I was starring in one of those Southwest Airlines "Want to get away?" awkward-moment ads when I saw Tuesday night how wrong I was to buy into the assumption that Hillary Clinton would lose the New Hampshire primary, and thus needed to think about embarking on a farewell tour.
Still: The issue I set out to address Tuesday morning -- the question of how her campaign should or should not deploy Bill Clinton on her behalf -- was and is an intriguing one. Even now, I would argue, it's not clear: Did Bill help or hurt Hillary with New Hampshire voters? And for those Clinton fans who felt aggrieved by my rush to bid the duo farewell, rest assured I also got plenty of letters taking issue with my description of Bill as a very successful president.
Also, though I should not have taken at face value the consensus that Obama had already chalked up a win in New Hampshire, the issue of a dynastic restoration, of having two families alternating stints in the White House over four consecutive presidencies, remains a troubling one for many of us. It may be the reason a majority of Democrats in New Hampshire voted against Hillary (at this point, John Edwards is one of her campaign's great assets), and the reason why Republicans probably fear Obama more.
All that said, I won't try to predict what the Clinton approach to Super Tuesday will be. But her campaign may conclude from her New Hampshire experience -- and from her going "emo," as the kids like to say -- that it must downplay the restoration angle. Echoing the old "Let Reagan be Reagan" mantra, the Clinton campaign now seems to be in full "Let Hillary be Hillary" mode. Hence the much-noted contrast between the tableau of Clinton grandees standing behind her the night of her Iowa concession speech and her solo appearance the night of the New Hampshire win.
My rush to judgment didn't stem from any favoritism. This column doesn't endorse any candidate or party. Throughout 2007, I reacted skeptically to all the talk of Clinton inevitability (even though, as I have said, I think the first Clinton presidency deserves high marks) because I believed there would be a strong anti-dynastic backlash in the end. Add that backlash to Obama's triumphant surge in Iowa, the polls in New Hampshire and the stories of Clinton advisers themselves conceding the game might be up and -- well, I got carried away. Pass some more crow.
But rest assured that when it comes to my own personal biases, this all makes me very happy, as it would any political junkie. We have in both parties the most competitive and exciting nomination battles in a long time. As someone who grew up reading those Theodore White "Making of the President" books, I relish the coming Obama-Clinton national showdown that the Iowa-New Hampshire split made possible.
It's not only fun, it's good for the country.
Dear Stumped,
Okay, I guess it's a small thing, and the fact that I'm finding time to ask about it surely proves I'm "not too busy" -- but it bothers me, so here goes.
WHY can't Republicans get the name of the Democratic Party right? (And why does no one mention it ?) There was another young Republican whipper-snapper on C-SPAN this morning, talking about the "Democrat candidate" and "Democrat presidents."
In the list of Republican Party dirty tricks I guess this is down the line a bit. But it's disrespectful -- even rude -- to consistently get someone's name wrong. Can the rest of us start calling them the "Repo Party"?
Thanks,
Bell Clement
Dear Bell,
I agree, it's rude, but I disagree that it goes unnoticed. Whatever conciliatory tone George Bush sought to convey in his State of the Union address last year was undermined by his one reference to the "Democrat Party." Republicans often called it the "Democrat Party" in the 1940s because they felt a party dominated by big city machines didn't deserve the "democratic" mantle.
It was churlish then, as it is churlish now. But it's petty to try to score points by distorting the Republican name. What are we, in the seventh grade?
It's telling that Sen. Joe McCarthy also loved playing this game, and to this day too many aspiring Republicans politicians follow in his footsteps when wanting to give their own activists some red meat. Obviously the term "Democrat" as an adjective for the party is not inherently insulting, but it is corrosive to overall political civility when partisans refuse to acknowledge things by their name.
Certainly we should all be able to agree to disagree about more important matters.
By Andres Martinez |
January 11, 2008; 12:00 AM ET
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Posted by: s m w | January 26, 2008 7:33 PM
My question is: How many voters assume Obama voted against the war in Iraq? He keeps saying he is and always has been against the war and Hillary voted for it. One reason many people I know like him is because he didn't vote for the war and Hillary did. Since Obama started his first term as a U.S.Senator in Jan. 2005, and the Senate voted on the Iraq war resolution in Oct. 2002 -- he wasn't even in the U.S.Senate when the resolution was voted on. He should be clarifying his statement by saying that although he wasn't a U. S. Senator when the vote was taken, he would have voted against it if he were there. Instead, he is letting people who haven't checked the dates think that he cast a no vote. My personal opinion is that if he were in that Senate, he would have voted yes after listening to Colin Powell's presentation. Also, voters should wonder why he has omitted the facts and is letting people think he voted against the war.
Posted by: M.A. | January 12, 2008 1:49 PM
On the use of the phrase "Democrat Party" to describe Democrats:
As an independent voter living in the state of Washington, I have reason to believe that the name "Democratic Party" is an oxymoron and a glaring case of false labelling. This same so-called "Democratic" group initiated a lawsuit a few years ago which has had the effect of stripping independents like myself of the right to vote in primary elections. Attempts to fix this matter, as approved by voters in a subsequent initiative campaign and then passed by the state legislature (primarily with support from Republican legislators) were then shot down by the veto pen flourished by our so-called "Democratic" governor (who was more willing to abide by the wishes of party bosses than by those of the state's voters). In addition, please note that this same so-called "Democratic" organization decided not to recognize the outcome, or award any delegates on the basis of, the state-sponsored presidential primary which is scheduled here for mid-February. Instead, it will award all of its Washington delegates on the basis of caucuses, which--due to logistics as well as other factors--attract only a small elite of politically-active voters. (The state's Republican Party, by contrast, will award half of its share of national convention delegates based on the primary outcome, and the other half based on the results of caucuses.) So, at least for voters like myself living in the state of Washington, it does make sense to modify a label which suggests a certain quality--a quality which these so-called "Democrats" don't really share.
Posted by: Russell Scheidelman | January 11, 2008 3:44 PM
Re:dellpill
Powell was also responsible for the Mei Lai Massacar coverup. And you wonder how he was alowed to rise through the ranks.
Posted by: MRF | January 11, 2008 12:11 PM
I think the same treatment was given to Colin Powell as is given Mr. Obama. I for one could never understand the hero worship most Americans had for Mr. Powell. Turns out he had feet of clay. Making the speech for the Iraq war and backing the administration's lies which he was aware of didn't surprise me. Probably how he rose in the military. Always wondered how he could go along with George W. and his policies.
Posted by: dellpill | January 11, 2008 11:26 AM
Exactly, XYZ. That snide comment put the lie to the title's claim of eating crow gracefully. Not only is it a ridiculous line, its also an outright lie. There's no reason to believe that people who voted for Edwards were voting "against" Clinton any more than they were voting against Obama. No one ever expected any of the candidates to be so overwhelmingly dominant as to garner a majority in a multi-candidate race.
By the way, why has someone posted Krauthammer's column in the comments here? Can that spam be deleted?
Posted by: Whatever | January 11, 2008 11:26 AM
And for dessert we will be serving magpie.
Posted by: Diane | January 11, 2008 9:58 AM
big media's collective mea culpa proves you're all just a bunch of blowhards.
that snake oil you bought from master salesman obama? gag from it.
Posted by: mikel | January 11, 2008 8:35 AM
On Iraq, of course he denigrates the surge. That's required of Democratic candidates. But he further claims that the Sunnis turned against al-Qaeda and joined us -- get this -- because of the Democratic victory in the 2006 midterm elections.
Obama has yet to have it pointed out to him by a mainstream interviewer that the Anbar Salvation Council was founded by Sheik Abdul Sattar Abu Risha two months earlier. Obama has yet to be asked why any Sunni would choose to join up with the American invaders at precisely the time when Democrats would have them leaving -- and be left like the pro-American Vietnamese or the pro-French Algerians to be hunted and killed when their patrons were gone. That's suicide. The New Hampshire surprise has at least temporarily broken the spell. Maybe now someone will lift the curtain and subject our newest man from hope to the scrutiny that every candidate deserves.
Posted by: Mark | January 11, 2008 7:36 AM
More proof Obama is not ready to lead this great country! NH debate showed a side of Barack Obama not seen before and it wasn't pretty especially Asked in the Saturday Democratic debate about her dearth of "likability," Clinton offered an answer both artful and sweet -- first, demurely saying her feelings were hurt and mock-heroically adding that she would try to carry on regardless, then generously conceding that Obama is very likable and "I don't think I'm that bad, At which point, Obama, You're likable enough, Hillary." He said it looking down and with not a smile but a smirk people didn't like it and since have started to look closer at obama.
Obama has been getting the media free pass, freest of all passes general neglect of the obvious central contradiction of his candidacy -- the bipartisan uniter who would bring us together by transcending ideology is at every turn on every policy. Obama doesn't even offer a modest deviation from orthodoxy. When the Gang of 14, seven Republican and seven Democratic senators, agreed to restore order and a modicum of bipartisanship to the judicial selection process, Obama refused to join lest he anger the liberal base.
Special interests? Obama is a champion of the Davis-Bacon Act, an egregious gift to Big Labor that makes every federal public-works project more costly. He not only vows to defend it, but proposes extending it to artificially raise wages for any guest worker program.
On Iraq, of course he denigrates the surge. That's required of Democratic candidates. But he further claims that the Sunnis turned against al-Qaeda and joined us -- get this -- because of the Democratic victory in the 2006 midterm elections.
Obama has yet to have it pointed out to him by a mainstream interviewer that the Anbar Salvation Council was founded by Sheik Abdul Sattar Abu Risha two months earlier. Obama has yet to be asked why any Sunni would choose to join up with the American invaders at precisely the time when Democrats would have them leaving -- and be left like the pro-American Vietnamese or the pro-French Algerians to be hunted and killed when their patrons were gone. That's suicide. The New Hampshire surprise has at least temporarily broken the spell. Maybe now someone will lift the curtain and subject our newest man from hope to the scrutiny that every candidate deserves.
"Mr. Obama has failed to rise to leadership on a single major issue in the Senate," he had a habit of ducking major issues, voting 'present' on bills important to many Democratic interest groups, like abortion-rights and gun-control advocates. Obama is calculating ,For someone who talks about a new, positive style of politics and pledges to be true to his word, Mr. Obama too often practices the old style of politics, saying one thing and doing another.
Posted by: Mark | January 11, 2008 7:35 AM
Calling the Democratic Party the Democrat Party may be a small thing, but remember it is small things, broken windows, trash not picked up that destroys a neighborhood. So it is with language.
Posted by: William | January 11, 2008 7:35 AM
Thanks for the info and history of republicans' use of the term Democrat party instead of the Democratic Party. However, this information makes me feel even more insulted than before.
I find it interesting that republicans can insult, "swift boat", or plain lie, yet when democrats complain about it, the democrats come out sounding weak. It seems that the only appropriate response is to laugh at it and then strike back (yes, like people do in High school or Jr. High) because when it is left alone it becomes corrosive. For example, Schwarzenegger's "girly-girl" comment was childish and inappropriate but extremely effective against the California democratic legislature. It put them in a box and anything they did made them look more "girly". Yes the comment was sexist, inappropriate, but effective and to not respond to it because it was "beneath" them, or complain about how inappropriate it, made them look "grily" to "Joe six-pack". The Democrat comment appears to be done to cause the same effect.
As far as the Bill question, first of all, no matter how she uses him it will be received with skepticism because we have no template on how to use a former president. But he is a powerful force. For example, it seems to me that Hillary's camp has been trying to get the press to stop giving Obama a "free ride" and be more critical of him. Many in the press have stated that they love Obama but that is as far as it went. However, once Bill made the charge that Obama was getting a free ride, some members of the media thought it was unseemly for a former president to do such a thing, BUT they then began to seriously look into this question and began to say on air that the media has not vetted Obama as severely as they did Huckabee when he won the Iowa primary. Bill took a hit on his statesmanship marks but it may have helped Hillary.
Posted by: David M | January 11, 2008 5:38 AM
I said my opponent was stupid and now I am sorry that my opponent is still stupid. I am sorry, I said.
Posted by: Gary E. Masters | January 11, 2008 5:19 AM
Stumpie, I think it is Obama the Republicans want to run against. Hillary has weathered all the dirt the Republicans can throw at her, and whatever damage it has done has already been done. But Obama is different, he has not seen the dirt and swiftboating the Repubs are saving for him. Also Hillary will gain most all the support groups Obama has if she is nominated, but women who make up the majority of the voters will turn out for her more than they will for Obama. . . . . I assure you, Hillary is the one the Repubs fear the most.
Posted by: Coldcomfort | January 11, 2008 2:45 AM
Martinez gets his head handed to him and still he just repeats his slanders in the guise of an "apology"
"It may be the reason a majority of Democrats in New Hampshire voted against Hillary (at this point, John Edwards is one of her campaign's great assets"
She won the vote. Get over it. She beat Obama by 3% and trounced Wapo fave McCain in a purple state.
Posted by: XYZ | January 11, 2008 12:28 AM
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