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N.C. State: The Ultimate Terps Barometer

OK, I'll preface this by saying that there are almost no logical conclusions to be drawn from this observation, so feel free to scorn me mercilessly. But as we wait to hear what Ralph Friedgen has to say at today's luncheon, I used the time to look at the history books (or the media guide) and came up with the following aimless observation:

When Maryland beats N.C. State, the Terps go to a bowl game; when Maryland loses to N.C. State, the Terps stay home.

At first glance, this might seem self-evident, but it's only true of the Wolfpack. There are five ACC teams Maryland has played in each of Ralph Friedgen's seven seasons as head coach: Clemson, Florida State, N.C. State, Virginia and Wake Forest. Of those, the Terps have at least once beaten them in a season that ended without a bowl (Wake Forest and Florida State in 2004; Wake Forest and Virginia in 2005) or lost to them in a season that ended in a bowl (Florida State in 2001; Florida State and Virginia in 2002; Florida State in 2003; Wake Forest in 2006; and Wake Forest, Virginia, Clemson, and Florida State last season).

Then there's N.C. State. The Terps have beaten the Wolfpack five times and gone to the bowl in each of those seasons. But in each of the two seasons when they've lost to N.C. State under Friedgen, they've been home for the holidays.

Finally -- and if you've made it this far, god bless you -- before dismissing this as utter lunacy, consider this: If Maryland beats N.C. State on Saturday, they will be bowl-eligible, meaning the trend will continue at least one more season. And our friend Gary will have to revise his forecast for the Terps' final record.

By Matthew Rennie  |  October 21, 2008; 9:55 AM ET
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I'm constantly amazed by where you guys think to look into these things.

Posted by: Colm | October 21, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse


I love me some Terps football, but can we get an update on the Jordan Williams commitment? We are basketball school, after all.

Posted by: The Brown Vice-President | October 21, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Oh right, let's congratulate ourselves on the player from CONNETICUTT, when the second best player from BALTIMORE goes to Syracuse.

Brenda Frese is the only basketball coach at MD that knows how to recruit.

And lastly, it is FOOTBALL season. The Terps are 5-2, looking to go 6-2, with a legitimate shot to go to a really nice bowl game.

There will be time to think about mid-major talent going up against the best the ACC can offer from January through March.

Posted by: PhD Terp | October 21, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Quit whining. Glad to see our football team is playing well, but guys like you are why our fan base is considered a joke to the rest of the ACC.

We just landed a quality big who averaged 28 and 15 last year and lit up the summer league circuit and all you can say is Gary doesn't know how to recruit?

The "second best player in Baltimore" is recovering from a blown ACL. I'm sure if we recruited him and he blew out his ACL again, you'd be the same guy crying how Gary "wasted a 'ship on a player w/ injury problems."

Keep playing both sides, PhD. It worked for Anne Heche, right?

Posted by: The Brown Vice President | October 21, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse


Just don't get frustrated or upset when we play and lose to other schools with talent from the DC/Baltimore area.

I am not saying Gary should go. I am not saying that Gary is a lousy coach. All I am saying is that our recent recruiting has lacked and there is no reason why that MD should not have total/partial(G'town) control over the Maryland/DC area in basketball.

Tell me where I am wrong?

Posted by: PhD Terp | October 21, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Sorry. I just can't get on board with all the Terp fans who scream holy murder b/c Gary doesn't recruit the locals. This year, we have three kids from Baltimore (2 of whom were named The B-More Sun Player of the Year the last 2 years), two from powerhouse Montrose Christian and two from Northern Virginia.

We're talking about 17 year old kids here. Some who may or may not want to get away from their parents to go to school. Some who may or may not follow their AAU coaches to K-State or South Florida, so that their AAU coaches can get hooked up with jobs at said universities. And believe it or not, some who may or may not go to programs where boosters are known to "show the love".

There are also plenty of reasons why recruits go to "Private" universities, where academic requirements for athletes are decided upon by the Board of Trustees and not by State Mandates.

Have we gotten the one and done studs from the area in recent years? No. And has the past 4 years sucked in terms of NCAA appearances? Yes. But name me the other teams in the country who have played in 15 straight post-season tournaments. Duke? No. UNC? No. UConn? No.

All I'm saying is have a little perspective and give credit where credit is due. Maryland's three down years since 1993 have been marked by NIT appearances. That means that Gary has had winning records in EACH of the past 15 seasons. Can you say the same for the ACC elite?

Posted by: The Brown Vice President | October 21, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Hey fellas... the b-ball blog is over here:


Posted by: Sigh... | October 21, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Um, just because a player went to a "local powerhouse", does mean they are necessarily that good?

Um, what does a winning record mean when MD plays only 1 or 2 decent games until January?

When Malcolm Delaney rains threes in Comcast wearing orange and maroon (VT), just don't get upset.

Posted by: PhD Terp | October 21, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

And here's a little more perspective for you, PhD:

Count all the McDonalds and Parade All-Americans, all the Five-Star stud recruits and all the SuperPrep All-Stars that Duke has signed every year for the past 15 years.

Now count the number of titles Duke has won since then.

Now, do the same for Maryland and tell me if your bottom line isn't the same.

Posted by: The Brown Vice President | October 21, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Sigh. Just wondering where the Jordan Williams news was this morning...

Posted by: The Brown Vice President | October 21, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

I know, just imagine what Gary could have done with them!

Posted by: PhD Terp | October 21, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Last post on this thread... promise.

Greivis Vasquez IS good. Adrian Bowie IS good. They will be two of our leading scorers this year and would start for any team in the ACC.

So why keep killing yourself trying to play the "What If" game? Just support the team and stop spreading the venom.

Unless you're a closet Duke fan, that is...

Posted by: The Brown Vice President | October 21, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Jordan Williams is highly overrated.

10 % graduation rate for Maryland Basketball - nice job, Gary Williams (he said with a heavy dose of sarcasm !)

I can't believe that Debbie Yow, has not fired Gary Williams.

There is no way, that a parent should ever send their son to the University of Maryland to play basketball.

Maryland will finish with a 15-16 record and 4-12 in the ACC.

No NCAA bid

No NIT bid

I am glad that Maryland football, is no longer recruiting Tavon Austin.

Go Tar Heels !

Posted by: hclark1 | October 23, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

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