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McCain, Obama, Debate and Football

Back by popular demand, we bring you another installment of the poll that drew heavy interest last week to advance both the college football weekend and the presidential debate between John McCain and Barack Obama. Because this is a Maryland and college football blog, we will not discuss William Ayers, Jesse Jackson, the economic crisis, the stock market or anything related to a possible global recession. But we do have three polls of national importance linking college football to tonight’s third and final presidential debate between McCain and Obama. Interpret these questions any way you would like. It’s something light to break up the workday. Comments of all sorts are encouraged! I also encourage everyone to answer all three polls so I can get the most accurate results. Thanks, and enjoy!

For the first question, I’m going with Wake Forest at Maryland. The Demon Deacons keep plugging along, and are a favorite in the ACC, while the Terps have been nothing if not inconsistent with message performance recently. Some may say that sounds like Obama vs. McCain right now.

By Eric Prisbell  |  October 15, 2008; 11:00 AM ET
Categories:  Football  | Tags: Barack Obama, John McCain, William Ayers  
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Nah nah naaaaaaah nah HEY! THIS SUCKS!

Posted by: Sam | October 15, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

you should have listed paterno, he and mccain are close in age

Posted by: jason | October 15, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

If McCain is going to BUDGE the polls, he's going to have to learn that dropping ONE glove (Palin) isn't going to cut it - the good cop/bad cop routine doesn't work in a political campaign! You can't be a "nice guy" in a knife fight!

Free advice to John:

1) Learn to use "THAT MEANS…" Don't just say "I tried to prevent the Fannie/Freddie debacle", tell HOW the whistle was blown and the red flag raised... and name names of those who resisted! Respond to Obama's charges with facts, like "Tax cuts don't reduce revenues... they INCREASE them every time they're tried". Point out that corporations don't pay taxes... they pass the costs on to their customers or they cut costs by laying off workers. Either way, taxing corporations hurts FAMILIES. Talk about removing tax barriers to REPATRIATING offshore operations.

2) Mudslinging may be distasteful, but it WORKS. TALK about why Obama's economic policy is a disaster. Talk about ALL his associations* and the PATTERN they depict. (Don't get bogged down in the specifics of Ayers or Wright... give the totality of associations and let the CLOUD swirl around him!) Talk about ACORN. Talk about his WORLD VIEW. When asked about your own policies - give a CONCISE answer and end on a CONTRAST with "that one". Never let an answer end without a hit on Obama... keep him on the defensive!

3) DISTILL the World View difference down to brass tacks:

Obama World View: America is a greedy evil which must be restrained. Government is the answer to the problems of the downtrodden. Taxation's purpose is to redistribute wealth and to manipulate behavior.

McCain World View: America is a powerful force for GOOD in the world and the people can accomplish great things if they are UNCHAINED. Americans are the most charitable people on the face of the earth and don't need Government to decide where to distribute their charity for them. Taxation is a necessary evil to generate revenues for the appropriate business of Government, which is constitutionally limited.


Posted by: edeldoug | October 15, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

edeldoug: You've got it all wrong. The best plan for McCain is to plead with his loyal rebubs: "Please keep drinking the coolaid"!

Posted by: Limey | October 15, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: joe lane | October 15, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse


Joe Paterno is winning...

Posted by: Big Ten fan | October 15, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

These results are terrible!
McCain v. Obama like Texas v. Mizzou?
Texas and Mizzou is hugely offensive and explosive, watching the first two debates between these guys was like watching grass grow! They are more like watching Army v. Temple; a contest of who is more boring!

And Pete Carroll being like Obama. Pete is cocky, arrogant, and exciting; Obama is like watching a robot.

You people who voted either know nothing about football or either of the canidates.

Posted by: Mark | October 15, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Most people are hypocrite, particularly politicians which we will see tonight during their last debate (say "last political supper"). When Obama says to older people: "I feel your pain, your loss of 401 (K) investments, your loss of retirement and pension. I promise I will work for you, That is the reason I am running". He looks at the unemployed and say: " I understand your employment problem. Looking at you I see your pain. I want solve your problem. That is the reason I am I running". Then he looked at uninsured and say: " I know how difficult it is without health insurance. My mother had the same problem. That is the reason I am running for presidency". Then he looked at the people who lost the home and say" I know your loss of your home. I will fight for you. That is reason I am running. I want to help you" and so on, and so on. He recalls his grand parents' difficulties. He recalls his childhood. His single parenthood. He recalls his mother's difficulties. But he won't mention his father, even though he keeps his name.
But he won't tell the actual reason: "why he is running for presidency?." His ambition, the life-time economic reward. He says that "without him this country will fail. McCain is not good for our economy, foreign policy, military strength". He will say, without Obama, Economy will go down. He won't tell you that he in running because:
US Presidency is the most-powerful position in this world, most rewarding in anybody's life, most financially successful career during the presidency, after the presidency, until death. It will be a multimillion dollar, 40 year career for a person of age ~45. He says that he wants to help the voters because he can see the pain in their eyes. And he suggests that he will create JOBS ("JOIN OBAMA'S BS") for you, but won't tell how.
One may ask what about McCain. You know the answer. He likes the power but very little long-term rewards. He is 76 after the first term.
I wish these candidates should say: "I like the power of the Presidency. I like the long-term economic rewards. I like to live in White house. I like to help the people, if I can. So I am running. I need your vote. period."

Posted by: madayilnair | October 15, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

You should have listed the Michigan at Penn State game.

It's a slaughter waiting to happen.

Posted by: Craig | October 15, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

We need tested leader like Mccain at time of crisis like this, His record both personal and professional are impeccable he has proved himself in long run as able leader and visionary.
Go America go for Mccain

Posted by: MRN744 | October 15, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

This site is so full of crap. McCain will just lead the country further down the road that Bush has been leading us...the road to disaster.

Posted by: S.T. | October 15, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Tonight's debate is most like the Georgia Tech vs Clemson game, because the end result won't make much difference and you secretly wish both sides could lose.

Posted by: Bill | October 15, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse now has Obama at 82.3 and McCain at 18.7 - Intrade is 100% predictive when a future is over 70 (Obama) or under 30 (McCain). Intrade picked every single state correctly in 2004 even-though several national polls (including Zogby) had Kerry winning the election. Intrade nailed every 2008 primary election for both parties.

Posted by: TJ | October 15, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

The time is right to rebuild America into a workers paradise, Capitalism has failed. Socialism will save us.

Posted by: Obama08 | October 15, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Trickle down economics sure did work out well didn't it? Just like Phil Gramm and Dick Cheney said it would. The US borrowed trillions of dollars from our enemies and gave it to the wealthiest of our citizens who need millions to get by. When their Faux economic theory wore out like a Fox News story, they invoked the policies of FDR to bail them out. I say re-regulate and recover the money from the greedy bastards before prosecuting them for their fraud.

Posted by: GRun | October 15, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Food for thought:

Just a few questions:

Isn't it hypocritcal for Obama to talk about "reforming and changing government" when he is spending $195 million on getting elected, more twice as much as McCain, who did not back down on his word to accept only federal financing of his campaign (Obama originally said he would, then reneged)? What does this lavish spending say about how Obama will handle tax dollars? That is, will he say the ends justify any means?

What does Obama's recent comment to plumber Wurzelbacher say about what Obama REALLY intends to do with this country? Charles Barkley, an Obama supporter, said last night on Larry King Live that he supports Obama for one reason - He believes that it is right to redistribute wealth to poor people in this country and he believes Obama will do just that.

Does anyone really believe that once Obama wins the Presidency, with a majority liberal Democratic congress that cannot be checked, that he will limit new taxes only on people who make $250,000 (the actual number is now down to $200,000)? Especially given the current national debt and state of the economy, Obama will not realistically be able to do even 10% of his proposals without drastic tax increases. In the end, I believe, you will see higher taxes on everyone who makes more than (if we are all lucky) $60,000.

The most important issue is only now being talked about. Do we all feel comfortable with a liberal President and a liberal Congress, which looks like it may take a super-majority that cannot be opposed by vote or filibuster? This would mean that the Democrats could pass ANY law they wished, so long as it was not clearly unconstitutional.

Posted by: JWord | October 15, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

The thing I love about conservatives is how FEAR acts as their chief motivator. They fear anyone that's not exactly like them; thus, they fear other ethnicities, races, and people with different sexual orientations. They're terrified that someone will either harm them, their family or property, so they're huge gun owners and of course gun rights supporters. They fear any and all foreign countries, so they're willing to go to war at the drop of a hat. They also fear their own government and its black helicopters, but at the same time have no problem giving up their civil liberties through the Patriot Act and support warrantless wiretapping of their calls and e-mails. They fear the Lord, so in turn they fear anything that wasn't specifically outlined in the Bible, such as evolution or abortion. They're Pro-Life accept when the person has already been born, is of another race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, or just happens to live in a country other than the U.S. And innocent people killed in a war prosecuted by the U.S. do not in any way have the same life value as an unborn fetus of a trashy American teenager.

Posted by: Tom | October 15, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Football success at Penn State - Virginia Tech - West Virginia - North Carolina will definitely hurt Maryland's recruiting.

Go Tar Heels !

Posted by: Gary | October 15, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Why hasn't anyone brought up the fact that the last time we had a very liberal President, interest rates climbed to 22%. Inflation was out of sight.

Posted by: Ray | October 15, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

McCain is going to come back and win in the 4th quarter!!

Posted by: Philly7 | October 15, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

It is ObamaNADAs drinking the Kool Aid.

The Messiah tells them drink, drink..and the do.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

If this is football, thr(R) team would have a heavy fine for trying to throw the game.

JOHN don,t seem to have any plays,SARAH don,t know what a huddle is.the rest of the team is faced the wrong way,on the line , as to tell the other team the(d) to kiss our a//,s.


Posted by: airplane | October 15, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

"Isn't it hypocritcal for Obama to talk about "reforming and changing government" when he is spending $195 million on getting elected, more twice as much as McCain, who did not back down on his word to accept only federal financing of his campaign (Obama originally said he would, then reneged)? What does this lavish spending say about how Obama will handle tax dollars?"

I guess this says he won't spend my tax dollars on ridiculously expensive elections! At least the money Obama is spending was volunarily given to him. I've never been wild about my tax dollars being spent on television ads but I don't get much say (or any) about it.

Posted by: Donnarona | October 15, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Even if Obama doesn't show up... he'll win it hands down! McCain has already lost it... and the debate. Earlier media reports stated that Cheney and Sarah are going hunting for Bullwinkle or was it Santa's elves (?) vs. watching McCan't rant "my friends... " Enough is enough already, it's over folks.

Posted by: Reid Hyams | October 15, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

McCain=Paterno Obama=Urban Meyer

Posted by: Lee | October 15, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Amen Tom, Amen.

Posted by: Lee | October 15, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Tom, really, seek professional help. Your family deserves it.

Posted by: Mike | October 15, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I worry about the thoughts of Obama wanting to change the National Anthem and redesign our beautiful United States flag to fit islam. He wants to teach the world how to sing for our anthem and he said he would than stand and salute that . but not follow the protocol of our National Anthem of today. He hates America's way and wants Islam to prevail. Very scary person.

Posted by: troop | October 15, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

My votes and reasons:
Miz v Texas: Texas=McCain has been around forever, has tons of money backing it, and has been one of the nation's best for many years. Mizzou-tough up-and-comer but is unsure how to act when the spotlight is on them, has lots of promise but no real accomplishments.

Erickson=McCain. Experience in the big leagues (NFL). Had the best college team twice, knows how to win tough battles.

Willingham=Obama. hasn't accomplished much. Superb performer while at Stanford, then fell flat when guiding the (arguably) most pretigious position in college football (Notre Dame). Had lots of promises for that team but didn't achieve those goals. Doing okay job now in a situation that better suits his talents at Washington. I hope this is not Obama's career path ie failing at the top spot.

Posted by: Tony | October 15, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

You missed such an obvious one for McCain (sorry if others have already noted this): Joe Paterno.

Old, hopelessly out of date and on his last legs. Still has some game though, so don't count a McCain comeback out. Not all the way back, but close enough to make it interesting/scary.

Posted by: soCal | October 15, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Wow. These McCain cheerleaders are really coming out of the woodwork. Guess what, guys? Obama has an 8 to 15 point lead in the national polls. Regardless of how he does in the debates tonight, McCain simply cannot win. No candidate has come back from such a huge deficit since 1936.

And still you cry foul. "Obama pals around with terrorists," you parrot. Guess what? Bill Ayers is respected by everyone who knows him, and he knows practically everyone in Chicago. Beyond that, McCain himself has worked alongside anti-Semites, Nazis, and card-carrying Satanists. And even your beloved Sarah Palin looked to the radical kooks and secessionist wingnuts in the AIP to secure her gubernatorial win.

Best of luck!

Posted by: Clayton | October 15, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

McCain= Bobby Johnson (vanderbilt coach)

Posted by: Terry | October 15, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Coach dumps long-time O-coordinator in hopes for something new, a game-changer, hires a guy with a lot of buzz but not a lot of experience or street cred.
Then blames the game-changer when it only makes his team worse.
John McCain IS Tommy Tuberville.

I'm not even going to get into the back-stabbing Tuberville experienced by his own school's administrators, reminiscent of how GOP operatives submarined McCain with rumors about his adopted daughter.

Posted by: DanOregon | October 15, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

I hope in the debate McCain pushes Obama to explain things he says such as the following snippet of the discussion with a plumber in Ohio. Obama has tuned his tax cuts to $250K+ but in the primaries he was proposing tax cuts only below $70K.

For the Obama supporters who claim "Obama is for the middle class" and "is not socialist could you please explain the following 2 scenarios:

Snippet 1:

JOE WURZELBACHER, PLUMBER: Your new tax plan is going tax me more, isn't it?

OBAMA: It's not that I want to punish your success; I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you that they've got a chance to success, too. I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody.

Snippet 2:

GIBSON: And in each instance, when the rate dropped, revenues from the tax increased; the government took in more money. And in the 1980s, when the tax was increased to 28 percent, the revenues went down.

So why raise it at all, especially given the fact that 100 million people in this country own stock and would be affected?

OBAMA: Well, Charlie, what I’ve said is that I would look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness.

Posted by: Cryos | October 15, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

This is an observation of the body language of the candidates. Obama was confident and had a positive body language. McCain responded with negative body language.

Posted by: James Klich | October 15, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Can Obama say "going to"? I'm tired of gonna, goin to, or goin ta. Also he doesn't seem to know how to say have, instead "got' is his choice! I thought he was college educated -- my son even made the comment that it wasn't right!

Posted by: ilikeEnglish | October 15, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a very angry gentlemen and when he tries to be compassionate it comes over as he is being fake. Obama I believe has great vision for our country and has the insight to know that he has to prioritize the issues and tackle them with the help of the people and McCain thinks he can do it all and just like Bush he will not do any of it. He will only take us further into the ground...

Posted by: Jaye | October 15, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Remember,in order to get one percent credit for anything a black guy needs to work 10 times harder than a white guy and be ten times cleaner. MCCain is a sleezeball and has got by because his daddy, grandad and father-in-law served it up to him with thier white boy influence, power and resources. I was recently in the hanoi hilton (it is still there) and the vietnamese are OVER it and have moved on--we should move on to. The stakes are too high for a cranky old man and a lunatric governor of an ice berg. GO OBAMA!!!!!!

Posted by: A Fan | October 16, 2008 3:38 AM | Report abuse

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