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Greivis Vasquez's Return: What It All Means

Judging by the comments made on the blog yesterday afternoon, as well as e-mails I received last night, there seems to be a mixed reaction to the announcement that Maryland guard Greivis Vasquez will return for his senior season.

Some readers, justifiably, point to the fact that he led the Terrapins in scoring, rebounding and assists last season. Or that he was Maryland's most clutch performer. Or that he was a reliable source of energy, charisma and flair. Readers who use these arguments appear, well, ecstatic that Vasquez will don a Maryland uniform next season.

But others prefer to point out that Vasquez did not always make the best decision with the ball in his hands. Or that he sometimes seemed too interested in personal accomplishments (his triple-double, for instance). Or that his defense was not always sharp and his shot did not fall as often some would have liked. And there's some legitimacy to those claims, as well.

In the one season that I have closely followed Vasquez, here's what I know:

  • The dude wants to win. Badly. Always.
  • He was, without a shadow of a doubt, Maryland's best player last season.
  • He is cocky and endearing and ornery and charming. Often he is somehow all those things at once. He speaks his mind more often than Gary Williams and his staff would prefer.
  • The Terrapins would not have earned an NCAA tournament berth last season without him, and their chances of doing so again this coming season would have been greatly diminished had he chosen to stay in the NBA draft.

So let's look at the situation from both perspectives.

How would next year's Terrapins squad have looked without Vasquez in the lineup?

Well, Maryland is adding incoming freshman Jordan Williams and James Padgett, one of whom figures to earn a starting role at some point early in the season. For now, let's say it's Williams, a power forward. And let's say he's an improvement over Dave Neal, who graduated this spring. Also, let's say Eric Hayes is re-inserted into the starting lineup to fill Vasquez's spot. The starting five would have looked something like this:

G -- Eric Hayes, senior
G -- Adrian Bowie, junior
G -- Sean Mosley, sophomore
F -- Landon Milbourne, senior
F -- Jordan Williams, freshman

Bench -- Dino Gregory, Cliff Tucker, James Padgett, Jerome Burney/Jin Soo Kim

How do you like that lineup? Is there enough firepower? Is there enough consistent firepower? Who is the leader of that group? Who holds the on-court authority? Better yet, who is willing to assert on-court authority?

How will next year's Terrapins squad look with Vasquez in the lineup?

Again, we're going to assume that Jordan Williams fills Neal's vacated spot in the starting lineup (though, to be fair, Gregory played extremely well at the end of last season and should be given every opportunity to claim the spot for his own).

G -- Vasquez
G -- Bowie
G -- Mosley
F -- Milbourne
F -- Williams

Bench -- Hayes, Gregory, Tucker, Padgett

How do you like that lineup?

Here's the thing about Vasquez: You pretty much know what you're going to get every time he takes the court. For the most part, he was a consistent presence for the Terrapins last season. Even during the stretch when his shooting percentage sunk, he almost always found a way to score 10 or more points. How many other players on Maryland's squad possess that capability?

Now, you could argue that we never got to find out whether other players have that ability because Vasquez took so many of the team's shots. It's a debate I'm sure will carry well into the upcoming season.

Please feel free to send me an email at with your thoughts on Vasquez's return. Are there other factors that I didn't consider?

Also, take a few moments to participate in the survey below ...

By Steve Yanda  |  June 16, 2009; 8:34 AM ET
Categories:  Men's basketball  
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Any MD fan that is not happy about Vasquez coming back isn't a real MD fan. Without him this team would have been in the same situation it has been the past 5 years.

With him this is a legit top 25 team that should be able to shoot for the sweet 16.

Bowie and Hayes need to step up their game and become more consistent.

Gregory needs to work on his touch around the basket and keep the intensity turned up on the boards.

Hopefully Padgett can bring that inside gritty presence that we havent seen since Jamar Smith.

Today's a good day for Terps fans!

Posted by: DMoney28 | June 16, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Who the hell thinks that MD would be worse off with Vasquez back? Thats insane! Oh yeah most teams without there best player (especially a point guard in the college where PG's rule)would be better without that guy.

Posted by: lavar609 | June 16, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

This is a GREAT day for the Terps!!! I can already feel the NCAA tournament!!!!LETS GO TERPS!!

Posted by: joan_matthews | June 16, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse


You assume Milbourne will continue his PF role this year, but judging from Gary's comments after last season ended, I think it's safe to assume he will not resume that role and instead return to the 3 spot--his natural position. Gregory is our starting PF heading into next season.

My starting 5 heading into next season (keep in mind Gary very rarely starts freshman early on)

1) Vasquez (senior)
2) Hayes (senior)
3) Milbourne (senior)
4) Gregory (junior)
5) Burney (junior)

Starting 5 by tournament time next year

1) Vasquez
2) Bowie
3) Milbourne
4) Padgett
5) Burney

In this scenior, the bench looks very solid and experienced with Hayes, Tucker, Gregory, Williams, and Mosley.

This is a 25 win team with the potential to win the ACC.

Posted by: Barno1 | June 16, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

"In this scenior, the bench looks very solid"

should say: In this scenario...

Posted by: Barno1 | June 16, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

yeah the kid won't win a popularity contest, but he will still be the best player on the team. the problem for UMD is typically their best player is a future NBA player. obviously, that is still questionable for Vasquez. he is being asked to do too much and gets a lot of heat for it. he is not Steve Francis, jaun dixon, Walt williams, Adrian Branch, Len Bais, Albert King, Ernie Graham, or Buck williams type player. He's a Keith Booth or Steve Blake type player being forced to play the role of a star and he's not that good..

Posted by: oknow1 | June 16, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

I think the poll results are a much better indicator of how Maryland fans are feeling than the sampling of people who make actual comments.

I've said it before and I'll repeat it here for those who don't like GV. Compare his sophomore season to his junior season. If he matures (as a player and as a person) this offseason half as much as he did last offseason, he will be an elite player.

Posted by: ICBomber | June 16, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

i am one who has major concerns with grevis' decision making and ability to more or less forget there are 4 other players on the floor wearing the same colors...

but obviously he is the best player on the team and probalby will make all acc...

lets just hope another season in college is a big maturation opty on is part and he grows and learns to make better decisions and get the team going and not just himself.

we are definitely better with him...

and he is not john gilchrist...grevis may be a bit too flamboyant and out of control...but he is a team player at heart adn had a team least way more so than gilchrist...

Posted by: deadskin | June 16, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

"mixed reaction"?!

94% responded that the Terps will be better or significantly better.

Why are you guys always trying to create controversy?

Posted by: UnitedWeStand | June 16, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Does Vasquez win games for the Terps? Absolutely (UNC). Does he lose games for them? Sure (UVA, Clemson). Which does he do more of? Hard to tell honestly.

It is also not possible to project how the other guards would play with him gone. Maybe one of them is a good scorer or a smart leader of the offense. Now we will not know this until 2010-2011.

Posted by: blinders1 | June 16, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Barno- Mosley will definitely be in the lineup. He was great last year especially towards the end. Gary love that type of energy guy, really can't see him= starting games on the bench.

Posted by: nford2 | June 16, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I think Greivis might be pretty good for the Terps. Duh? There's no story here.

Posted by: richs91 | June 16, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Silly question, but what happened to Dupree? Is it assumed he will be last guy on the bench, or did he transfer?

Posted by: SonicBlues | June 16, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Thank you assistant Robert Ehsan for helping this much-beloved program. After seeing what James Padgett can do, I'd give him the nod to can't teach SIZE, STRENGTH and QUICKNESS and he has all of those. Is Burney ever his foot back to normal? It's a shame to see his talent go to waste over an INJURY. Did Steve Goins ever transfer?

Posted by: iamasofaking | June 16, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse


I think Mosley will be starting at 2 with Hayes coming off the bench. Mosley is a much better all around talent than Hayes.

If Hayes can get consistent with the 3 ball he could be deadly in the 6th man role.

I like Burney too. I think he would have been a big contributor last season if he was healthy.

My Starting 5:

1. Vasquez
2. Mosley
3. Milbourne
4. Padgett
5. Gregory

First guards off:
Hayes, Bowie, Tucker

First bigs off:
Burney, Williams, Kim

Hopefully Hayes, Tucker and Kim are putting up 1000 jumpers a day. This team needs a legit outside threat. One of these three need to step up and fill that role.

Posted by: DMoney28 | June 16, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

He has faults, but Vazquez is the teams BEST PLAYER. It is not debatable, the team is better with him next year, alot better off.

Posted by: cabraman | June 16, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

With Vasquez back there's no stoping Gary-the-God and the Terps this year.

Terps will win the NCAA Title this upcoming year, right fellow Terp fans?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | June 16, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

imo,it's a good thing when your best player comes back for his senior year.

- good informative post, Steve!

Posted by: Max231 | June 16, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse


It's debatable whether Mosley will start the season in the starting lineup, but in my opinion Hayes gets the nod to begin the year.

There's a 3-way competition this off-season between Hayes, Mosley, and Bowie for the starting 2-guard position. Mosley needs to work on his offensive game this summer because as of right now, he's way behind Bowie and Hayes in that respect (though he has a clear edge on them defensively). And not just his jump shot, but his ball handling and passing were not great last year. I still like him a lot, and think he's got a good future with the Terps...but I just don't see him beating out Hayes and Bowie this summer unless there's a huge improvement in his offensive game.

As for Kim, you were joking right?

A) he's not a big

B) if he's anywhere near the regular rotation next year, we're in trouble

Posted by: Barno1 | June 16, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Our(U-MD Students & Alum's) reality is that Vazquez is slow, and far inferior to the rest of the guards in the ACC. He is a class act though!

Folks, seriously I challenge all Alumni's to come up with a plan to offer D. Yow and G Williams too show the rest of D-One how to get top recruits without kissing the AAU BEHIND. This is a serious matter that has undermined the NCAA for at least a decade. Most NCAA teams that are absorbed, believing that it showcases the talent at the high school level so they will not have to so. Be that as it may, you still have student to deal with. I could go on and on about this but I know terps know where we stand on this issue.


Posted by: knjon353 | June 16, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I agree with yanda's starting lineup. It might not be what gary does in Maui, but eventually those will be the guys.

Anybody suggesting Kim will play is insane, and if the kid Padgett plays at all we will be awful. That dude was the worst player on the court at the Capital Classic.

Beavis is a head case who will undoubtedly give us some heartache next year, but I think we have a nice ACC season with a top 4 NCAA tourney seed. My hope for next year is the second weekend of the NCAA's, anything else is gravy.

Also, maybe I am alone, but I think Tucker could be a breakout star next year; the definitive second option and produce some explosive scoring off the bench. By February I hope he will be a "finisher", like Hayes last year. The last five minutes are much more important the first five.

Whose ready for Midnight Madness??!?!?!?!

Posted by: jpfterps | June 16, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I would think the your 2 guard should be able to hit an open jummper. With that being said, my starting five are:

Vasquez 1 best player
Hayes 2 best shooter
Milbourn 3 glue guy
Gregory 4 best energy
Williams 5 has to be better than Burney

Posted by: kfrazec | June 16, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

My belief is there's no way Milbourne plays the 4 again this year except in an emergency situation due to foul trouble or injuries (and again, Gary had some comments at the end of the year that signaled Milbourne would return to the 3).

The only reason Milbourne played the 4 this year was because of the team losing out on Jennings and Gilchrist at the last minute, Burney's injury, and Gregory not developing until later in the year. That was a fluke situation, which also led to Dave Neal starting at the 5.

This year we've got at least 2 freshman bigs, a more experienced and proven Dino Gregory, and hopefully a healthy Burney. I see no reason why Milbourne wouldn't go back to the his natural position at small forward, where Cliff Tucker will battle for minutes.

Posted by: Barno1 | June 16, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Why didn't he go Pro? Is he hoping to get a bump in his Pro salary if he stays in college another year?

Posted by: dghyson1 | June 16, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Vasquez is an emotional roller coaster who stinks as a PG. He has far far too many turnovers and takes way too many shots. It's one thing if you're Michael Jordan. It's another thing if you're Vasquez. I guarantee you he will stink up the joint in the NBA if he makes it next year. In addition the Terps need a good center or someone to give the ball to in the post. With that option lacking, I don't see us going past the sweet 16 at best this year.

Posted by: Thundershock | June 16, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

We were undersized last year. We're going to be undersized this year. We're not going to advance in the tournament, though I think we'll make into the tournament.

Whatever Vasquez does for us, it's not going to cover our deficiencies in the paint.

To suggest that Williams is going to be an improvement over Neal is a bad bet. Maybe in a year or two, but not as a freshman. Neal was no star, but he was a solid performer for us last year.

Posted by: Matte | June 16, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

How does this factor into Lance Stephenson's decision, or has that ship already sailed?

Posted by: RedskinAddict | June 16, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Look, I cheer for two teams, MD and ND when it comes to sports... saying he is the best MD has is not saying much. Over the last few classes Gary is running them shorter and shorter without a true banger... you can compete with the Dukes and NC's of the world year in and year out. He has heart and talent but when your best player is a streaky shooter that is a gilchrest part deux, it makes no difference(there are times he hurts the team, then helps). Dont get me wrong, this was a great decision to come back but it is because he had to come back... he is not that good for the NBA (Please see example of one Orlando Magic role player that was god in the ACC a few years back for Duke... need I say more). I am a fan but I am also realistic... we hear this every year on the talent Gary has only to pray come selection Sunday! Good luck terps!

Posted by: rvanags | June 16, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

So he can finish geography 401 and dumbell english!

Posted by: johng1 | June 16, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

If stevenson deceides to come to maryland what is the board thoughts on that and how would the starting line-up look


Posted by: carolina1 | June 16, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

what I seem to be hearing on this forum is GV is the best player that UMD has on the court. Isn't that the real problem? I mean, who really thought he was going to the pro's anyway? What even made him think he should declare for the draft? I for one knew he'd be back in the first place. He did do, hence the fact he didn't hire an agent. The real issue is the poor recruitment of talent in the program.

Posted by: Ike1975 | June 16, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Best news from the program. Key question remains - will the bigs deliver. Looks like the terps finally have some depth there...and another PG coming in for the 2010-11 season as the bigs improve. I like the class of 2010 (GV, LM and EH) and would love to see them go deep into the ACC and NCAAs. Oh yeah - welcome back Poopy - impossible to get the fans wound up when news like this comes through.

One final thing - do not care how GV does as a pro. I follow College Basketball, not the conspiracy known as the NBA. Whether it helps his draft position or not is not relevant. What is relevant is that the Terps, barring injury, are in a position to improve over last season.

Posted by: HughGRection | June 17, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

great news for Gary I think. With gv back the tourney should be a shoo in and anything less than sweet 16 will be a failure.

Posted by: restonhoops | June 17, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

ESPN has the Terps ranked 17th going into next year:

Only 3 ACC teams in the top 20: UNC, Duke, and Maryland. Just like old times...

Posted by: Barno1 | June 17, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Also on ESPN, Lunardi has us #8 in his completely useless Bracketology, but it's still nice to get earl recognition.

Posted by: Mariolucasforthree | June 18, 2009 6:39 AM | Report abuse

We're only ranked #17 going into next year?!?! What has happened to the Program?!?


Posted by: fushezzi | June 18, 2009 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Czaban and Pollin on the Sports Reporters today blasting the 2% of Terps "fans" who think the team will be worse with Vasquez back. Congrats to Poopy and Petecard on fooling Yanda, Czaban, and Pollin into thinking you're actually Maryland fans.

Posted by: Barno1 | June 18, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse


Poopy is from Planet Crackpot. He is goofy, irrelevent and unfortunately, not funny. So, he just needs to be ignored.

Petecard has way too much contempt for Debbie Yow and he backstabbing colleague, Kathy Worthington, to not be a MD fan. He is just a grumpy old pessimist.

The basic debate about GW is his inability to bring in strong recruits. Not even Petecard has said he is a bad coach, but just a poor recruiter. Admittedly, he has had some poor recruiting classes since the 2002 championship. I believe his poor recruiting classes subequent to the 2002 championship were mostly due to his staff leaving for head coaching jobs. His recent recruiting classes have been solid, if not spectacular (GV, Hayes and Milbourne to Tucker, Gregory and Bowie to Mosley and Kim). Jordan Williams and James Padgett also look to be solid recruits, particulrly Williams. The stability of Gary's staff (Dreisell, Booth and Eshon) has culminatd into a very strong 2010 class of Stoglin and Ross, with hopefully, more to come. Bottom line: MD is back to where they can realistically compete with the top echelon of the ACC.

Posted by: larry31 | June 19, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

"Any MD fan that is not happy about Vasquez coming back isn't a real MD fan. "

Sure they are -- they're just not Greivis fans. A lot of folks think Greivis occasionally detracts from team play. That's not to say the team is better without him -- they aren't -- just that sometimes he's part of the problem rather than part of the solution.

You could say the same thing about Brett Favre, for instance. He makes a lot of mistakes, too.

The question is, whether next season's team will play together well enough to win some ACC games. Not whether Jordan Williams is a capable scorer, but how well he'll mesh with the team's other scorers. Unlike the NBA, college ball is a team game.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 19, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Burney's the one I'll be watching -- he plays the position where the Terps were at a disadvantage last season (despite Dave Neal's outstanding effort).

Posted by: Samson151 | June 19, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I agree that Burney's level of play is likely the biggest swing factor in what will likely be a very good team (top 25) versus a great team (top 8 - 3 seed or higher). Even if Williams and Padgett have fab 5 monster seasons, we'll need depth - Baxter and Wilcox still needed Holden (especially versus Kansas) and Randle. Ewing had Dalton. Whether the starters are Burney and Gregory or the freshmen or any combo of them, we need at least four solid bigs to actually dominate the ACC and go deep in the NCAA. They have the guards and Milbourne at 3 could be all-ACC.

btw - I do find Poopy entertaining although when the board devolves into Poopy bashing and others actually trying to apply logic to his statements I can see where many would get annoyed. Look, in Poopy's world, anything less than an NCAA championship won by GW constitutes failure.

Posted by: HughGRection | June 19, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Solid post Hugh. I'm with you on pretty much everything, especially Milbourne possibly being all acc at the 3. Until the UNC game last year and GV's triple double, Milbourne was our most consistent offensive player.

Definitely need 4 bigs for a deep run. It's a shame Burney was hurt again last year...he should be a reliable 12 pt, 8 rebound per game guy by now--but we just don't know. He has good post moves and a nice touch, and might be our best shot blocker. He just hasn't been able to stay injury-free long enough to prove it. Keep in mind he should be a senior by now but redshirted his freshman year. So he's been in the system 3 years now even though he's only a rising junior.

Posted by: Barno1 | June 19, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

"Without him this team would have been in the same situation it has been the past 5 years."

And Vasquez was here for three of those years. What your argument boils down to is that Vasquez has no effect whatsoever on the success (or lack thereof) of the Terps. Which lines you up with 3% of poll respondants.

"Who the hell thinks that MD would be worse off with Vasquez back?"

A lot of people who subscribe to the "Patrick Ewing" effect, that a team improves when a ball-hogging star isn't there to hog the ball anymore. And only 2% of the respondants thought answered that UMD would be worse with him back.

Quit swiping at ghosts.

Posted by: mabkhar | June 19, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Look, in Poopy's world, anything less than an NCAA championship won by GW constitutes failure.

Posted by: HughGRection | June 19, 2009 12:33 PM

Darn tootin', and that should be the thinking for any/all Terps fans.

Unfortunately it isn't that case, as some on here seem content with a .500 Terps team. Right Copy/Paste (Barno)?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | June 19, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

The attitude of college basketball fans should be that anything less than winning a NC constitutes a "failed" season?

I claim to speak for only myself but this my view on college basketball, the sport I find by far the most enjoyable to follow.

It was in a great old baketball barn called Bowen Field House that I first learned to love college basketball. About 4,000 people per game, 6600 full house for big games. Everyone had a great seat. Eastern Michigan had quality teamwork under a young Ben Braun, and when Dan Majerle and Central Michigan came to Bowen it was nothing less than exquisite to watch him and our best player Grant Long battle down low while both teams exhibited high quality fundamental basketball. Awesome atmosphere, great teamwork, great basketball, great experience. It was gravy when I got to talk to George Gervin one night when he came back to Bowen and was signing cool posters of himself sitting on a throne made up of ice blocks. LOL Eastern even made the NCAA tournament my last year there. It was a serious thrill.

Then I transferred to Maryland for a more cosmopolitan experience and fell in love with the atmosphere in Cole. It was absolutely huge when Gary came home. Personally, knowing that Maryland would be fielding really solid teams for decades to come was an awesome feeling. Maryland basketball would be a highly enjoyable experience, particularly for the students, for a very long time to come.

Maybe people like me are considered 'weak' by people like you. I'm sure you won't care to know that I find your plight of only being able to enjoy the game when the team is a top seed a very sad thing.

Posted by: jake177 | June 19, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

No problem with me. I'm not the one settling for .500 seasons and average recruits.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | June 20, 2009 1:11 AM | Report abuse

You have a real ability to miss the point and cast things in a way to make yourself feel a false sense of superiority.

Posted by: jake177 | June 20, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

A year ago I would have driven Grevis to the bus station and paid for a one way ticket to anywhere but College Park. He has developed into a very good player and he has kept his on court antics down.

I am very happy to have him on the team and wont be suprised if his number is hanging from the rafters in a few years! His loyalty to the team and Gary are much appreciated by real Terp fans.

Posted by: donmac1 | June 21, 2009 12:15 AM | Report abuse

A year ago I would have driven Grevis to the bus station and paid for a one way ticket to anywhere but College Park. He has developed into a very good player and he has kept his on court antics down.

I am very happy to have him on the team and wont be suprised if his number is hanging from the rafters in a few years! His loyalty to the team and Gary are much appreciated by real Terp fans.

Posted by: donmac1 | June 21, 2009 12:15 AM

Isn't this the same Vasquez who just this past season said that Cameron Indoor was his "House" only to go in there and put up the proverbial "goose-egg?"

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | June 21, 2009 2:54 AM | Report abuse

You have a real ability to miss the point and cast things in a way to make yourself feel a false sense of superiority.

Posted by: jake177 | June 20, 2009 10:56 PM



It makes me feel like a big man, too.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | June 21, 2009 2:55 AM | Report abuse


You suck.

Posted by: Section505203 | June 21, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

The person who goes by the name Poopy McPoop is a mid-20s male graduate of UMD who lives in California now. He has a crummy job and has a drug problem.

He came onto this blog bashing Terps fans the moment the Terps received a bid to the 2009 NCAA tournament. Most of the regulars on here know he's a very troubled individual who has openly bragged about his drug use and hallucinations including often boasting of his experiences on mushrooms and acid.

Sadly, he's just some poor kid who wasn't brought up right and doesn't know how to grow up, and unfortunately spends way too much of his time trying to prove his worth on a blog that few people actually read. He's just a depressing character.

Posted by: terpsfan09 | June 21, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Hey get your facts straight terspfan. I'm a late-20'UMD grad (duh!).

We must have different ideas of what a "drug problem" is especially when I live in a state where I can legally smoke as much maryjane as I want to. Oh sweet cheeba, how it calls out to me.

Also you're just jealous you never tripped your face off and chatted it up with Terrence Morris in the South Campus Dining Hall.

Go Terps!

By the way terpsfan09 keep pointing out this stuff as it keeps the other minions from talking about how mediocre the Terps program has become.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | June 21, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Poopy you may want to seek some counseling.

A check-up from the neck up might do you a world of good.

Posted by: Section505203 | June 22, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Poopy you may want to seek some counseling.

A check-up from the neck up might do you a world of good.

Posted by: Section505203 | June 22, 2009 4:47 PM


Oh, believe me, I've tried. All the help in the past has done nothing to quiet the voices inside my head.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | June 23, 2009 2:22 AM | Report abuse

Ok, now we've degenerated into Poopy bashing...and yes it is funny. That said, I know plenty of Redskins fans who think only a Super Bowl win equals a successful season.

Poopy - would you consider the trip to the final four (in 2001) a successful season? How about winning the ACC tournament? If we extend the logic - Coach K has not won an NCAA since the year before Gary and should be shown the door as well.

Now to be fair to Poopy, I do consider missing the NCAAs to be a huge disappointment - especially when considering how many consecutive seasons GW has led the team there.

Another point on GV - he isn't John Gilchrist (who did some irresponsible things for his own career) or Chris McCray (who was lax on school work or attendance and cost GW a tourney bid). Its great to have a top-tier college point guard when you are following the college game. NC State had Corchiani who never made an impact in the pros for example (I think this board could come up with a few dozen similar examples like this).

barno - Thanks for the insights on Burney. I have one question to pose to the board: GW has often said it takes big men longer to develop. However Joe Smith, Ben Coleman and the player formerly known as Brian Williams (Bison Dele) came in, kicked butt and took names. I've not seen Burney play much at all, although his HS resume screamed future pro (as did Braxton Dupree's). This would be effectively Burney's first real season - do you expect Mike Mardesich or Brian Williams or somewhere in between?

Posted by: HughGRection | June 23, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

I like how in Barno's world, if you say anything bad about Gary Williams or Greivis Vasquez that means you're not a "true" terps fan.

Than this clown (Barno) turns around and says:

"Ladies and Gentlemen, we are less than 24 hours until Etan Thomas's reign of terror in our nation's capital is over!!!

The most despicably bigoted, pitifully ignorant man in the NBA is finally on his way out. And his time poisoning our city's youth with his hate is over.


Posted by: Barno1 | June 23, 2009 9:26 PM "

Than he backed it up with this:

"There is no bigger fan of Ernie Grunfeld and no bigger fan of the Wizards than me. Yeah I despise Etan Thomas because he is one of the worst human beings in professional sports. But I love Ernie and I love my Wiz, don't get it twisted.

And I really like this trade as well.

Posted by: Barno1 | June 23, 2009 9:54 PM"


Seems like Barno likes to apply some double-standards no?

That's all I needed to read from Barno to finally, 100% cement my belief that the guy is a moron.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | June 23, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Poopy - would you consider the trip to the final four (in 2001) a successful season? How about winning the ACC tournament? If we extend the logic - Coach K has not won an NCAA since the year before Gary and should be shown the door as well.

Now to be fair to Poopy, I do consider missing the NCAAs to be a huge disappointment - especially when considering how many consecutive seasons GW has led the team there.

Posted by: HughGRection | June 23, 2009 5:35 PM

Personally, anything other than a Championship is a bit of a disappointment. However, anything other than a Sweet 16 bid is unacceptable (and should be for other fans) for a program like the Terps.

As for winning the ACC Tourney, I assume you're talking about 2004. While it was a nice little run by our Terps, they still finished the REGULAR season at 16-11, with a 7-9 record in the ACC. That's just not acceptable. They did finish the season at 20-12 but didn't make it past the 2nd round of the NCAA's (again, in my book not acceptable).

As for Coach K and what he's done since his last title, exactly how many NCAA's has he missed since than? What records has his team finished with each season since that NCAA Title? What recruits was Coach K able to bring in since that title?

You can probably see where that line of questioning is heading.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | June 23, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

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