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Poll: Will Maryland win another game?

Two turnovers killed Maryland in the end. The weather was awful. Quarterback Chris Turner said he is happy to be heading into the bye week. He plans to get out of town a little bit and not focus on football for the next few days. Safety Antwine Perez should be okay after a hard collision.

At least basketball season is almost upon us.

By Eric Prisbell  |  October 24, 2009; 6:46 PM ET
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nice that he will be getting out of town but isn't he a "student" - last time I checked, they have classes during bye week

Posted by: sjm3091 | October 24, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

He flat out stinks.. As far as i am concerned do not comback..

A message to Debbie.. Get rid of Ralph and pay franklin the mill to go away... or else you will lose a larger part of the fan base and season ticket holders..

Va tech game will be 70% virg tech 30%maryland...Look at craigs list to see how many tickets will be for sale.. or any ticket broker.

I agree with sjm the weather was aweful today

Posted by: carolina1 | October 24, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

At this point, doesn't the coaching staff owe us, and the returning roster, a look at another quarterback to prepare for next year? What do we owe chris turner?

Posted by: jrraley | October 25, 2009 1:12 AM | Report abuse

Coach Friedgen has done a good job (let us not forget the state of the program before he arrived) and deserves the opportunity to show this year is not the new norm. Chris Turner has been adequate the last several seasons, but does not have the tools to succeed with the cast around him. UMD does not have any offensive play makers. The Coach and the Athletic Director need to get a bit more creative on the recruiting front; lots of good MD kids are heading elsewhere.

Posted by: vmon1 | October 25, 2009 6:00 AM | Report abuse

It is all about the recruiting. The campus has too much to offer to lose out to so many other schools on Grade B prospects. We lose out to Rutgers, Penn State, Va Tech, Illinois, West Virginia, Virginia, and that doesn't address the Grade A talent that ships off to the SEC. Md has had recruiting issues since the 70's in both BBall and Football. The AD built great facilities and assumed the would come, they didn't come.

Posted by: riktiktik1 | October 25, 2009 7:28 AM | Report abuse

When you are not on TV in your own market, it is sad. You need exposure and the exposure they are getting now is minimal here in the area.... this detracts kids right there.

Posted by: rvanags | October 25, 2009 8:21 AM | Report abuse

sjm3091, Chris Turner graduated in May.

Posted by: rsp3 | October 25, 2009 8:58 AM | Report abuse

vmon1, it's nice for you that your expectations are so low, but what Fridge has done can't be described as a "good job," at least not by anyone with some grasp on reality. Fridge was handed a top 10 team - all Ron Vanderlinden's recruits and played out the string: Orange, Peach and Gator bowls. It has been all downhill since then and there is no hope for improvement. When the team loses to MTSU two years in a row, loses to Duke, and manages to win only two games in a season, no HS player who is any good at all will come to UMD.

Posted by: MBP1 | October 25, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Lack of offensive playmakers isn't the problem. Maryland has enough of those. It's just that you can't win football games if you can't block or tackle. Unfortunately, the Terps can't do either of those things.

Posted by: MBP1 | October 25, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

The Terps tend to pull off some crazy upset in otherwise mediocre seasons. Let's hope that this year it isn't the Clemson win. I would like to see them topple VT. A couple of years ago they somehow managed to beat Florida State (before the FSU downward spiral). I remember they beat GT in OT on ESPN on a Thursday night. It seems that once a year they do something big.

Posted by: 6thandD | October 25, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

This team has hit the pathetic level. I think this is even worse than Vanderlinden at the end. Time to see what our young QB's can do. What a dissappointment Turner has become.

Even though I'm sick of the Fridge and his excuses, I don't think firing him and Franklin is the answer now. Who are we going to replace him with? We'll have no money to spend after the payoffs. Franklin has shown enough that he's worth a risk at this point, although it is clear Yow overplayed her hand on him.

Posted by: srcog | October 25, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

vmon1, it's nice for you that your expectations are so low, but what Fridge has done can't be described as a "good job," at least not by anyone with some grasp on reality. Fridge was handed a top 10 team - all Ron Vanderlinden's recruits and played out the string: Orange, Peach and Gator bowls. It has been all downhill since then and there is no hope for improvement. When the team loses to MTSU two years in a row, loses to Duke, and manages to win only two games in a season, no HS player who is any good at all will come to UMD.

please make it the last time I hear about Vanderlinden...the Fridge was not handed top 10 talent!!! are you crazy, really, what in the world are you smoking...that was not top 10 talent. When Fridge came in, he hired to VERY good coordinators and once they left things have went down hill...not to include the expansion of the ACC. Fridge has actually recruited better talent than Vanderlinden...look up the facts on, he never truly got a talented quarterback and has not been able to replace those coordinators that he lost!! For the love of God stop giving that Vanderlinden guy soo much credit that simply is not deserved at all!! He was a horrible coach and just a pretty good recruiter!!!

Remember on his staff he had Coach Loxsley that was the real recruiter for Maryland, the guy that got a lot of MD/DC players to the Illini.

Posted by: Adrian5 | October 25, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Recruiting is the biggest problem for both football and basketball. Even the best prospects from the local schools do not consider MD most of the time. Playmakers can't make plays if the offensive line cannot block. Hmmmm sounds like the Redskins offense. You have to build an offense and defense from the inside out.

Posted by: bubbam_74 | October 25, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Barno1 thought we were going 15-0 this year. Hahahahahahaa!!!

Posted by: Poopy-McPoop | October 25, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Oh I thoroughly enjoyed the *ss whooping my Duke team handed the Twerps yesterday. And I don't want to hear any crap from any of y'all about how I shouldn't root for Duke if I went to MD. Nonsense. Duke is just better at everything than Maryland. Excuse me if I root for winners not losers.

F Fridge
F Gary
F Debbie
F Vasquez
F Barno

Go Duke!!!

Posted by: Poopy-McPoop | October 25, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you Ardian5. I am so sick of people on here with the Friedgen can't recruit and only won with Vanderlinden's players argument. The fact is that Friedgen's recruiting has been on par with the other area programs since he got here. Don't believe me, here are recruiting calss rankings from rivals for the major programs in the area.

2002 21 45 37 12 35
2003 93 27 46 20 32
2004 14 41 47 40 17
2005 25 14 31 19 16
2006 6 32 52 39 29
2007 24 29 23 25 35
2008 43 18 42 61 38
2009 24 23 27 33 26
2010 2 17 25 64 33
Average 28 27 37 35 29

This pretty much tells me that although PSU and VT have had a little bit better recruiting calsses, they aren't that much better than MD and MD's recruiting has been consistently better than UVA & WVU. I haven't done the research, but would bet that Vanderlinden's recruiting is nowhere near Friedgen's.

So if MD's recruiting is on par with the other teams in the area, the next question you have to ask is why isn't their record? Well, you have to look at the coaching, and particualrly corrdinators and assistants. There has been a substantial decline in the quality of assistants since Blackney and Taafe left. You also have to ask if Friedgen is getting the fiancial and academic support from the AD and President that allows his players to succeed once they get on campus.

Friedgen has his issues, but recruiting isn't really one of them. Give him the tools that he had his first three years, that other area progems have, and I'm betting you wll see similar results.

Posted by: MattyBoh | October 25, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Hilarious Poo. I like the Cowboys AND Redskins, Red Sox AND Yankees, and Lakers AND Celtics. That way, when one of my teams doesnt one I'll just say I was rooting for the other. It's a win-win. Brilliant, right?

Posted by: fushezzi | October 25, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Whatever you say Fusheez. You keep rooting for loosers, I'm gonna keep on rooting for winners. Me thinks I'll be getting more enjoyment out of my teams.

And don't get me wrong, I'll still root for MD more times than not. Just not when they play Duke.

Posted by: Poopy-McPoop | October 25, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Hey if it isn't hypen-poop. What's going on fake, come to the party late McPoop?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 25, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Fridge was handed a top 10 team - all Ron Vanderlinden's recruits and played out the string: Orange, Peach and Gator bowls. -- MBP1

I guess that explains why Vanderlinden never had a winning season and never got a sniff for any HC openings.

MD's problem has been that the recruiting has been lacking in 2 key spots OL and DL. They have addressed the DL in the last 2 years and I think it is slowly starting to show as the frosh are now playing pretty well.

They attempted to address the OL this year and hopefully it will pay off also.

With regards to play calling and QB play. I am frustrated that we apparently only have 3 pass patterns -- screens, 8 yd outs, 6 yard curls. If we would throw the ball down field once in a while then maybe the opposing D wouldn't be sitting on those patterns the whole time. I assume this is a reaction to poor pass protection, but at some point we have to take a shot.

Posted by: mcmelton | October 26, 2009 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Agree with McMelton - with strong lines, a lot of other sins do not matter. during Ralph's early years the lines were ten deep. With each graduating class there was experience and talent replacing them. That has not been the case for a few years.

I always thaought that Ralph should have an advantage getting o-line recruits based on the success of his previous players in the pros and the fact that he was an o-lineman himself. Right now, we are starting walk-ons which is unacceptable. There is visible talent on this team - at WR, RB, LBs, Ss, K & P. Line depth and talent on both sides of the ball needs to be recruited or developed.

Agree that losing great coordinators hurts a program. Unfortunately, we do not have bench strength in that department - instead of promoting from within, we have brought in from the outside. We'll upset someone else this year, but bball with thankfully start soon.


Posted by: HughGRection | October 26, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

I was pretty impressed with the defensive performance om Saturday, and perhaps a defense that has been torched by some experienced QBs is starting to understand Brown's scheme. Where the defense is problematic is in its play recognition and showing its hand too early, which is why experienced QB have give this defense trouble. When an experienced QB knows what's coming, it's very easy to pick apart a defense that is relying on a lot of 1-1 matchups downfield.

I was also surprised that Franklin actually tailored his playcalling to the conditions. He called only 1 passing play in the 2nd quarter (when the rain was near its worst). However, he did a TERRIBLE job once again of mixing things up, and it was way too easy for an average Duke defense to see the plays that were coming based on the formations. Again, why do we have empty backfield formations with a less-than-stellar offensive line? This line needs all of the help they can get, and it only takes one extra LB on the rush to get a sack.

Obviously those last 2 turnovers killed the chances of a comeback, but if the offense could show just a little more life (really only one positive play all day, the Megget screen TD), the Terps probably win that one.

I think it was wise to keep Turner in that game all day. Robinson and/or O'Brien would not have made a difference, and playing in the slop like that is not going to make the young guys any better. However, if the Terps get behind early to VaTech (more than 2 scores by the second quarter), Robinson and O'Brien need to get some snaps.

It's really a shame that the defense played well enough for the team to win, but another incomplete effort causes yet another loss. If both sides of the ball could provide good efforts on the same day for more than half of the games, this might have actually been a decent team.

Posted by: Russtinator | October 26, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

All this recruiting talk is 90% bunk and people dwell on it way too much. Yes, in order to get into the BCS Championship, a team would likely need a couple of outstanding recruiting classes. But that isn't necessary to simply be competitive in the ACC or Big East or Big Ten. Most fans have probably just been brainwashed by the recruiting publications which have made a huge industry out of their predictions and rankings. The fact is that Maryland does not have worse players than most other teams in the area or in the ACC.

The poor results are due mostly to bad coaching. Recruiting played a role with this season because of bad management, (our recruiting cycle for linemen was off) not because of lack of adequately talented recruits. As for coaching, it is not nearly good enough to overcome the shortcomings. Franklin is a bad play caller, and his hiring was ill advised. Good coaching will beat good recruiting any day of the week. Unfortunately, we don't have that.

Posted by: jrchris | October 26, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

jchris I agree with you 70% but if you have a 4.7 guy chasing a 4.3 guy, who do you think wins that matchup?

However, I agree that coaching means everything. Navy doesn't have the talent that Maryland has but right now, they could beat them. Navy has no 5-star recruits, nor 4-stars. However, they came amazingly close to beating Ohio State on the road. They have a coach who has implemented a system that works for their athletes and the players in turn, embrace the system.

Posted by: imterpsfan2 | October 26, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Those recruiting statistics that the fan posted up earlier really aren't accurate because that only lists players who committed. It doesn't take into account those players who commit but are declared ineligible due to academic or disciplinary reasons.

For example, the Terps have had more than a few 4- and 5- star recruits declared ineligible. Some then signed with other schools like Illinois.

I believe recruiting is a large part of the issue because Friedgen has only acquired mediocre quarterbacks the past five years.

And what's worse, this coaching staff seems incapable of getting the most out of what talent they have. What bothers me about this team is that they are always committing the same type of mistakes over and over again. You have to wonder if the coach is teaching these guys fundamentals.

Posted by: imterpsfan2 | October 27, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

imterpsfan2 ... that was kind of the point of my post. Granted, those statistics may not be a spot on reflection of who makes it into the program, but they are probably more directionally correct than not and i'm sure that to some extent, other programs have the same issues. i.e. PSU with Logan El.

Basically what i was trying to say though is that Fridge has done a pretty good job of selling the program and getting the talent to the gates of the university; in other words recruiting. I think (although not perfect) those recruiting class rankings support that contention. Even with regard to QB, Fridge has had some highly rated recruits come to the program.

For some reason though, that talent hasn't transalted into wins on Saturdays, and you have to ask why that is occuring. Certainly coaching is a likely suspect, and the position coaches and coordinators are the ones that are supposed to be out there teaching "fundementals", evaluating the talent they have, and developing the talent. But aside from coaching, MD has had an inordinately high number of players leave the program due to academics, injury, or other mysterious circumstances and the question there is WHY?? I think the answer to that question goes beyond the football program, and we're starting to see parallels to what we have seen in the basketball program over the last few years. Who knows.. maybe we can expect another 3 part series.

Posted by: MattyBoh | October 27, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

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