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Moses Abraham commits to Georgetown

Progressive Christian basketball player Moses Abraham, a 6-foot-9 forward in the Class of 2010, orally committed Thursday to play for Georgetown. Abraham arrived in the United States last November and had been recruited by Indiana, Maryland, Tennessee and UCLA, among others.

Abraham made a two-day official visit to Indiana earlier this week, after which Joe Boncore, Abraham’s adviser, had what he called “a long talk” with Georgetown Coach John Thompson III and former Georgetown Coach John Thompson II. Following that discussion, Abraham chose to commit to the Hoyas.

By Steve Yanda  |  March 25, 2010; 6:00 PM ET
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Yanda, are you sure he isn't going to Maryland? You insisted it was between Maryland and Georgetown. Perhaps you should double and triple check that he's actually committed to Georgetown.

And per the NCAA rules its extremely illegal for John Thompson II to be so actively involved in the recruitment of this kid. He spoke to him after games and over the phone steering him to Georgetown.

Calling the NCAA. Do something about this shady activity.

Posted by: basketballfanman | March 25, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Umm ... How is it illegal?

Posted by: DaymondMyles | March 25, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

The same way it was illegal when Byron Mouton talked to Lance Stephenson when the Post did a full write up about it?

Posted by: JTerp | March 25, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Poor kid. Can you imagine having to play for Georgetown?

Posted by: terpin | March 25, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

@terpin

Beats the hell out of having to live in College Park and being one of Gary's poor graduation rate statistics.

Posted by: pjc62 | March 25, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Here's some information as to what's legal in regards to recruiting. You can substitute "Georgetown" for "University of Maryland" in the site. After reading this, does it seem that JT II is considered a booster???

http://www.umterps.com/compliance/md-compliance-affiliation.html

Posted by: dentaf | March 25, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Hope it works out for Gtown; although I am a Terps fan, I still have affinity for Hoya Paranoia. My contention will always be that if Michael Graham had not been chased away by JTII (for maintaining a paltry 2.6 GPA - how ironic is that) they would have beaten Villanova, if not have had a serious chance of going undefeated. Then again, I think the world expected them to beat 'Nova that year without Graham. This year's Hoya team had zero depth. Perhaps he will help rectify that for them as they are still young.

I do wish that MD was able to recruit the steady stream of talented bigs that Gtown always seems to get going way back to Dalton and Ewing. But the Hoya's have not been deep during the JTIII era like MD has been at times.

That said, we (the Terps) finally have a legit big in JW. I know we compare him to Lonny Baxter but the reality in my opinion is that Lonny never produced as a Freshman like JW did for us this year. Then again, we had more bigs on the team back then so Lonny did not need to (as a freshman).

I understand a lot of Terps fans do not like the Hoyas. I happen to like them. But I LOVE the Terps.

Still hurting over the loss to Mich St.

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | March 25, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Never even offered the kid a scholarship... I would ask why this isn't under the Georgetown University section, but their fair weather fan base does not provide enough page views to have their own forum.

Posted by: S2DU | March 25, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

I also find it funny that this is on the UMD blog. The Terps never offered this kid a scholarship, hence it would have been pretty hard for him to commit.

Posted by: Terp4 | March 25, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

In all seriousness - why isn't there a GTown Insider?

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | March 25, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Why is Yanda writing about JTII contact so casually after Prisbell, who thinks Calipari is what is right about college BBall, makes a point of Mouton's contact? WTH is wrong with you Post writers?

Posted by: minhle1 | March 25, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

pjc62:

Do I need to bring up "All Aboard With Thomas the Tank Engine" again?

Posted by: island1 | March 25, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Gary loses another to JTIII...
Becoming an all too familiar story for you terps, eh?
Hoyas will never get their own blog on the feinstein/gary post....

Posted by: funkey | March 25, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

JT Jr. is still on the G'town payroll and who can blame Moses for wanting to get a great education rather than potentially become just another member of Sweaty Gary's 8% Club?

Posted by: DCHead1 | March 25, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Of course Moses went to Georgetown: they actually offered him a scholarship.

And DCHead, please come back and talk graduation rates to me when Greg Monroe wakes up and realzes he doesn't want to make the same mistake Roy Hibbert made: staying in school while a lottery pick.

Posted by: S2DU | March 25, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Hibbert is doing just fine, thank you. Gtown actually develops big men to have careers in the NBA and not just jump into it when they're not ready to grab a bigger check in the first few years. Do you think Hansborough made a mistake by staying? His stock seemingly dropped every year, but I bet he's glad he stayed. Some players actually enjoy college. I know that sounds weird to a UMD fan though.

Posted by: DaymondMyles | March 25, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Wilcox has been huge in the nba...

Posted by: funkey | March 25, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

82% versus 8%. No need to talk specific players and really nothing more to say on graduation rates.

Posted by: DCHead1 | March 26, 2010 12:11 AM | Report abuse

MARYLAND NEVER OFFERED HIM BUT THEY SURE COULD USE ANOTHER ATHLETIC BIG MAN

Posted by: fkterp | March 26, 2010 5:46 AM | Report abuse

This area colleges stinks when it comes to grabing players even players from this area don't want to play for them.

Posted by: shamken | March 26, 2010 6:37 AM | Report abuse

Gary couldn't recruit a hooker to an orgy. The kid wasn't ever serious about Maryland. No highly recruited player is ever serious about Maryland.

Posted by: howjensen | March 26, 2010 6:45 AM | Report abuse

Why is a Georgetown recruit listed on a Maryland blog/article???? You couldn't have Liz Clark report for Georgetown??? Idiotic........

Posted by: punchdaclock | March 26, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Hello, while this kid may have technically been "recruited" this kid was never offered a scholarship...just another college basketball dog and pony show. Why is this on the Md. website??? But I digress, why let the facts stand in the way. Oh, while we are at it for some of you gtown morans who want argue about grad rates, don't let the facts that most of those nongrads became millionaires...academics, lol, where do we start, Ewing, Iverson, Graham, and Green - none of who would have EVER qualified to get in Md., let alone 99% of Division I programs, but didn't have a problem qualifying for gtown...hmmm what's wrong with that picture??? All about the Jesuits on the Hill getting those almighty hoops $$$. Same standards as the rest of your sports programs, I think not.

Posted by: gLo1 | March 26, 2010 8:00 AM | Report abuse

I am pretty sure gtown would trade some percentage points on the graduation rate for their typical underachieving every spring.

Nothing screams great education like Allen Iverson.

Every fan would rather their school have titles instead of degrees. Anyone that says otherwise is in denial.

Posted by: garrett4 | March 26, 2010 8:04 AM | Report abuse

I dont understand why everybody is hating on GTOWN...Gary Williams sucks as a recruiter. Georgetown has a much better history in this area when college basketball is concerned. Even though i think Gary is a good coach his recruiting skills are way below avg.

Posted by: bgriffith79 | March 26, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Georgetown Ahh the pay as u go team? Enjoy being second class in ACC country Moses. Carny show all the way around at the hill top.

Posted by: tman111 | March 26, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Jeff Green has been returning to Georgetown every summer to take course to get his degree. To me, that speaks volumes about the real culture of education that Gtown gives its student athletes. When Alonzo Mourning was asked by ESPN Rick Reilly what was his favorite memory from his 'career' at Gtown, he said, without hesitation, "It was when I graduated." It may be that Maryland has higher entrance standards, but Gtown does good things for its students athletes once they arrive, the first being giving them an appreciation of the value of a college education. Once a student knows the value of being educated and is given the opportunity to pursue it, he or she can do anything.

Posted by: christopherwilliams100 | March 26, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

To all you G-town fans who have to troll this site because you don't have one of your own:

1) the 8% grad rate was taken from 1999-2003. It sucks. No excuses. Period. I believe Gary has graduated his last 10 of 12 seniors and all four seniors form this year's class are on schedule to graduate. I'll take an 88% grad rate...far better then the general student population.

2) so, JTIII gets all the great recruits? What does he do with them? No tourney last year. 1st round loss to a 14 seed this year. Suck it, G-town.

Posted by: larry31 | March 26, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

How surprising that a Maryland fan would refer to Georgetown fans as "morans." The material just writes itself with you poor souls. Have fun rationalizing why anyone (basketball player or not) would go to Maryland over Georgetown.

Posted by: Hoya10 | March 26, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

I too don't understand why the post doesn't offer a Hoya insider, given that Gtown is a hometown school.

If Md did not offer Abraham a scholarship then how can they lose him? I think this story is just the WaPo sports reporter trying to whip up some local controversy, nothing more.

As for graduation rates, yes, the 1999-2002 8% graduation rate was terrible. Fortunately the school has greatly improved that stat since then....but then good news about Maryland basketball doesn't make for entertaining reading for the haters, does it?

Posted by: sanderling5 | March 26, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Excellent post, sanderling5.

Hoya10, re you sure your 1st choice wasn't Duke and G-twon was your "fall back" school? You sure ooze that Duke smugness that I know and love. (Not that misspelling "moron" shouldn't be called out...it is too ironic.)

Posted by: larry31 | March 26, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Good lord, my typing sucks. Should have previewed before sending. Sorry.

Hoya10, are you sure your 1st choice wasn't Duke and G-town was your "fall back" school? You sure ooze that Duke smugness that I know and love. (Not that misspelling "moron" shouldn't be called out...it is too ironic.)

Posted by: larry31 | March 26, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

This post by Yanda is made all the more annoying by his fear of responding to any of the commenters. I am not talking about the people posting smack talk and acting like jerks but people with legitimate questions.

1) Was Abraham offered by Maryland?
2) How was Bancore compensated for taking Abraham in and training him after he moved here from Africa?
3) Did Gary ever promise to meet with Abraham as Bancore has claimed? Did you get Gary's side of the story as well?

Come on Yanda. Stop hiding.

Posted by: lavar609 | March 26, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

You only wish, larry31. Georgetown was always my first choice.

Posted by: Hoya10 | March 26, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Lavar,

Great questions. I doubt you will get any answers substantiative ansers from Yanda. I believe MD never offered Abraham a scholly...this seems to be pretty consistent with all reports.

The reason MD never offered is probably the same reason Gus Gilchrist left USF...I'll let you fill in the blanks.

Questions 2 and 3, I have no idea.

Considering Yanda's much-hyped article on AAU sleaze ended up being an expose' on the fact that Mychal Parker had a "handler", I don't think you will get much more info from Yanda. He will just sit back and collect money based on the amount of hits he gets on this site.

BTW, no offense taken from calling me a "jerk" for talking smack. I think talking smack is fun. Truthfully, I was expecting some witty banter from the G-town geeks. I feel let down, like Hoyas fans have felt thte last two years.

Posted by: larry31 | March 26, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Probably not as let down as the 92% of players that the Harvard of P.G. County didn't graduate over the last 10 years.

Posted by: DCHead1 | March 26, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

DCHEAD-

Talking a lot of smack when your program was embarrassed by a 14 seed last week. Gary earned more tourney wins in this tournament than you have won in two years.

Take your venom out on the real problem: you have a coach that can't win the big game and besides your final four run is basically overmatched in the tournament. Lost to a 14 seed this year, floundered out of the tournament last year, lost to Davidson as a two seed the year prior to that one.

He can't coach and all the $1,000 dollar handshakes from his father JT2 can't change that fact.

Posted by: S2DU | March 26, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

DCHead,

The 8% graduation rate was for the time period of 1999-2003 while MD was going to two Final Fours and winning a NC and G-town wasn't. GW has graduated the last 10 of 12 seniors and all four of this years seniors are on schedule to graduate culminating in a 88% graduation rate.

Suck it, you Johns-Hopkins wanna-be.

Posted by: larry31 | March 26, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

You Maryland fans sure are bitter about this its only one player.

Posted by: mr-reeves | March 26, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Mr-reeves,

Ummm. Why would we be bitter? We didn't offer the guy a scholly.

DC Head,

Are you seriously bringing academic superiority arguements onto a sports blog? No wonder you guys don't have your own site. What's next? Shall we discuss the molecular shear forces experienced by organs during high velocity impacts? Woo hoo! I can't wait.

Posted by: larry31 | March 26, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Abraham made a two-day official visit to Indiana earlier this week, after which Joe Boncore, Abraham’s adviser, had what he called “a long talk” with Georgetown Coach John Thompson III and former Georgetown Coach John Thompson II. Following that discussion, Abraham chose to commit to the Hoyas.
-------------------------
Once Big John entered the room I'm sure the kid looked up and said " I go to Georgetown, Sir"....

Now I wonder how long before he transfers up out of here?

Posted by: PublicEnemy1 | March 26, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

All you Maryland Terp fans are in denial. The D.C/MD area is Gtown territory so get use to it. And JTIII is just getting started and already has a Final Four appearance on his resume. And the players next year will be better and more experienced especially if Monroe returns.

All Gtown is doing is building for the future and putting Gtown back to where it should be in the BIG East..Get use to players choosing Gtown over Md. - Gtown has too much tradition opposed to Md especially when it comes to big men. Why you think Gtown gets way more national coverage then MD? BIG East Tradition baby!!


So stop hating because nothing well ever change as far as MD recruiting better players or Big men.

Posted by: echamber | March 26, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

echamber-

if this is Gtown territory, then why don't you have your own blog here on WaPo?

Tough to build tradition by losing to 14th seeds in the NCAA tournament. Come back and talk when you win a 1st round game.

Posted by: S2DU | March 26, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

I think if you paired JTIII's recruiting with Gary's coaching you'd have one great program. Right now you have two coaches and programs with major strengths and weaknesses. It remains to be seen which one will be rectified first.

Posted by: restonhoops | March 26, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Wow, lotsa venom on the site today. uhh - am I wrong to make the point that BOTH programs are pretty damn good and BOTH programs have won NCs and been to FFs and that BOTH programs play in competitive, front-tier conferences?

what is unclear to me is why the WaPo does not have a GTown insider and why this particular item falls under the Terrapin Insider. Ok so the Terps did not get a potentially "great" recruit for whom a scholarship may or may have not been offered. Clearly, the kid is going to play PF, not C and the Hoyas have far more need at that position whereas the Terps have depth AND competition at that position. Additionally, whereas GW runs a squeaky clean program (having inherited a probation mess), no one would look at Gtown in the same light as a Ky, UConn or other premier, albeit perceived as dirty program. So th kid has a handler - what would we expect given that he comes from a 3rd world country and would need some help integrating into our society - GV needed help as well. It seems that whether a scholarship was offered or not, Gtown wanted the kid more than MD did and recruited him harder. I don't think that makes it a recruiting loss for MD at all. If there is a kid that GW and staff are lukewarm on who goes elsewhere, its not really a loss.

I think Terence Ross is likely a bigger loss, but the kid is screaming one-and-done and we have a strong swingman coming in anyway. We have thirteen scholarships to give and a max rotation of 10, with 8 or 9 players seeing legit playing time. Gtown used to play 10-11 deep during their glory years (Ben Gillery for the opening tip only), but this year they were 7 deep at best.

What MD truly needs is a decent 5 to back up JW to minimize foul trouble. Like JTII's old approach of sitting Ewing/Mourning after their first foul and playing Dalton/Mutombo up until they got their second foul. Refs call games tighter in the early going so it was a sound strategy and allowed the best big man to play aggressively throughout the game (but then the BE implemented the weird rule of 6 fouls before fouling out to combat this particular strategy as none of the other teams had two legit 5s).

I have plenty of friends who went to Gtown who root for MD, and plenty of MD grads root for Gtown. Both are very good programs in their own rights. MD tradition is longer but with divits (probation & Bob Wade); Gtown's is a bit more recent (I think it really begins with Sleepy Floyd) but is rich in its own right (four FFs, one NC). JTII and GW are unique, clean and competitive coaches. JTIII is clearly his father's son....but i gotta say I am not a fan of the Princeton offense.

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | March 26, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

As a teenager (Grant)Hill dreamed of attending nearby Georgetown University to play basketball. He changed his mind after a visit he made to the campus during his junior year of high school. The athlete told Esquire that when he visited Georgetown, "Coach [John] Thompson was there, and Miss Mary Fenlon, Georgetown's academic adviser. We're sitting in a room and Miss Fenlon hands me a book and says, `Read this.' I was a little startled, but I took the book and started reading to myself. Then she says, `I meant, read out loud.' So I started reading out loud. After a page, she stops me and says, `Now, tell me what you've read.'" Deeply--and justifiably--offended, Hill left the room vowing never to attend Georgetown.

Choo Choo!!!

Posted by: island1 | March 26, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Lavar - email Yanda your questions and he'll likely respond. He did to me but he his answers won't help. He won't say if he spoke to anyone at Maryland, he'll say Boncore told him that MD offered. That's the extent of his research. He won't go into detail about Boncore because i'm sure he didn't ask. He rote a story about Joe Davis bc he was involved with a MD recruit. This is a Gtown recruit so he doesn't want to know.

To the guy who said we Terps fans are upset about losing out on this recruit - no we're not. This kid averaged like 9 pts a game. He's not that good and apparently MD never offered. We're upset about Yanda's & Prisbell's double standard in regards to recruiting ethics.

Posted by: jdm123 | March 26, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

And to you jerk-off gtown fans, the "rote" was a typo. I meant to say wrote. And why don't you fools google image search "morans" and perhaps you'll get the joke.

Posted by: jdm123 | March 26, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Just to add more fuel to this fire, why won't Georgetown join every other local school and play Maryland in the BB&T or simply play someone in the BB&T at all? Is there a legit reason?

That to me would be an interesting story. Interviews with all parties involved would seem to make for a good local college basketball story.

Posted by: jetodd24 | March 26, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Why should we help out charity cases?

Posted by: mr-reeves | March 26, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

What's funny about the Georgetown trolls raising the graduation rate issue is that one report on why Maryland wasn't interested in Abraham was that he couldn't qualify academically.

Posted by: booger1 | March 26, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

The %8 rate includes transfers, early departure to NBA and such. I guess the Korean guy tranferring is gonna DINK Gary Williams this year too. Right? It's not Gary's fault Chris Mcray and the likes are some serious lazy A$$ idiots. I was told that these guys basically have to just show up to class and he couldn't do that. I am not sure arguing about graduation rates for basketball programs is even worth the time.

As for the actual basketball. I went to MD. But when I was in High school, i used to root for Zo and Charles Smith and all them. but you know what? But GTOWN basketball is BORING... it's just plain and simple as that. I can't really figure out what makes it so boring, but it's BORING. Maybe they need a new coach who will bring some excitement back. But the players, and the coach and their style of play... it's just flat out BORING. When Gary's Flex offense works (like against HOU this year, which I thought was a tough out because of those Guards from HOU) it works like a machine. and then he lets them run and u have Vaquez and Hayes and Milbourne and JW. These guys are exciting to watch. I ran into Monroe riding the metro once, and i didn't even know who it was. i thought he was tall and could be an athlete, but that is just it. I follow it, but they have NO personality.

Get rid of coach. Make GTOWN basketball exciting again. do something. obviously things are not working. Maybe we can follow it again. it's like, the players come in with HIGH pedigree, but they are in a system where they don't show case WHY they were brought in or why they were so sought after..... BORING...

Posted by: doeshin | March 26, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Maryland's program is a few years away from being a afterthought in this area.

Posted by: mr-reeves | March 26, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

THAT IS IT!!! The PRINCETON offense.... That is for PRINCETON! It's fun watching PRINCETON use it to beat UCLA, but not GTOWN USE it to lose to.... who did they lose to big time this year??? WOW... not fun watching gtown basketball. make it fun again... BUT I have to admit, GTOWN has won me a lot of lunch bets with one o my GTOWN GRAD friend... heh heh... thanks... keep up the good work Gtown...

Posted by: doeshin | March 26, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Many years ago when Georgetown was a so-so team they used to play Maryland. Then Thompson came in, improved the team, but stopped playing Maryland because he didn't want to get beat. Gtown feared the turtle then; still fears it today.

Posted by: booger1 | March 26, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

And, i think that game against SYR? in SYR? when gtown was up what like, 20 - 2???? you have all the momentum and you are up big time... to lose that game as big as you guys did... that is just POOOOR COACHING job.... new coach, new style... maybe people in the area will watch gtown a little more. it seems to me because MD has won the TITLE more recently, people who did not goto MD or GTOWN in the area follow MD more. that is just How i feel. EXCITEMENT!!!!! Ask some body...

Posted by: doeshin | March 26, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Maryland's best player this year will be a Harlem Globetrotter in a few years.

Posted by: mr-reeves | March 26, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

This commentary is amusing to me for one simple reason. The banter back and forth reminds me of the banter between Maryland fans and our ACC rivals (UVA, Va Tech, UNC, and Duke). But here is the difference: Georgetown and UMD never play one another.

Why does either fan base care about the other? They are 20 miles apart. Besides that, they have very little in common. So my message here is this: For anyone wasting their time arguing about Maryland v. Georgetown, redirect your energy to your own school, and encourage them to make this matchup actually happen. That way we can have a real rivalry with one another, and some actual games to argue about.

(other than the last 2 matchups which Maryland has won, by the way).

And lastly, graduation rates are bogus and I would think that anyone who actually went to Georgetown (doubtful any of these trolls actually did), would be smart enough to realize that.

Posted by: H1Dynasty | March 26, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Hey! at least that is entertaining to watch. I would rather watch Harlem Globe Trotters than GTOWN basketball... it's REALLY BORING!!!

Posted by: doeshin | March 26, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Georgetown=NBA Maryland=Bangladesh

Posted by: mr-reeves | March 26, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

The burden of the teams playing each other again resides solely on the shoulders of Georgetown. The last regular season match up was at the Cap Center. GW wants them to come to Comcast or a BB&T situation. Gtown has repeatedly refused to do both on a regular basis.

The rivalry is simply about area recruiting, and how those recruits are obtained.

Posted by: jetodd24 | March 26, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Fact is, Georgetown just picked up a Maryland reject.

Posted by: booger1 | March 26, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Moses looking down on the twerps from the hilltop is a beautiful day.

Posted by: mr-reeves | March 26, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

To be fair to Gtown, there are far more MD fans in the area than Gtown fans. Any game at the phone booth is a MD home game. Not playing each other is a travesty though. Xavier and Cincinnati play each other every year. Louisville and Kentucky play each other every year. Philly has the Big 5 which is an event worth going to even if you don't follow any of the teams. It is exceptionally appalling that home and homes have been scheduled with Duke but never with MD. That said, MD could schedule home and homes with any number of BE teams instead of the CAA and such.

So if the teams played each other every year would the folks on this board stop feuding? Don't think so.

One recruit. Yes a big, but not in a position of need for the Terps. We need a 5, not another 4. And not another 4 who can play 5 when needed - we have that already.

Both teams exited the dance a lot earlier than expected. The Hoyas return almost all of their players and virtually all of their points (Monroe will stay). The terps need to recharge again. Both teams are likely to be tourney bound next year regardless.

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | March 26, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

So which is it Twerp fans? Either you make fun of Georgetown for not having a "Hoyas Insider" on here, or the Post hates UMCP and slurps Georgetown. You can't have it both ways. Make up your minds as to which one you're going to whine about.

Posted by: kchoya | March 26, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

mr-reeves

Please have the Hoyas win a tournament game before talking smack. Last I heard from Georgetown they were still making excuses from getting run out the gym by a mediocre 14 seed.

Go and hide like the rest of the fair weather Georgetown fans.

Posted by: S2DU | March 26, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

kchoya-

Why does it have to be one or the other? I can easily make fun of you for not having a blog on WaPo.com (I mean, UVA, VTech and the Olympics have blogs, but you all don't create enough page views)

But I can also take Yanda and the WaPo to task for writing a 12,000 word article on the demise of Maryland basketball as Georgetown was riding a 2-11 final 13 games of last season to miss the tournament. Never saw Yanda or the Post, as they promised to me in multiple emails, report on how Georgetown's program had struggled or the problems within their program.

Finally, most of the same complaints lobbied by ignorant fans about MD (they did not capitalize on the NCAA championship or 2 back to back final fours) can probably now be thrown back in those same Georgetown fans after their final four run. Where is that 12,000 word article. I can tell you, the same place that Georgetown's blog is.... nonexistant

Posted by: S2DU | March 26, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Maryland needs to recruit the Baltimore area better; G'Town is also #1 on Quinn Cook's list, after getting Jordan Goodman for next year, and perhaps Rakeem Christmas for 2011

Posted by: bernard_thompson | March 26, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

If the twerps could they would.

Posted by: mr-reeves | March 26, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

We did, last Friday. Over Houston by 12, or less than Georgetown lost to a 14 seed that was 9th in their own conference.

Remember, Gary doesn't lose in the first round.

Posted by: S2DU | March 26, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

If the twerps could beat Duke more than once every 4 years that might help a little.

Posted by: mr-reeves | March 26, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Dude, G-town lost to THE Ohio University last week.

Posted by: Realness1 | March 26, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Wait a minute - Gtown averaged close to 80pts per game this year including a century vs. villanova, big pts. vs. Duke...and you guys still hate the Princeton? Gtown lost in the 1st round....uh, Ohio was shooting lights out, guaranteed they would've beaten MD that night and prob by a larger margin.

Posted by: purplefilms | March 26, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Please some of you Maryland fans are delusional. Look! I love both Maryland and Gtown but Gtown #1.

Also, i hate the princeton offense as well. But JTIII and the Gtown program plays tough team basketball and don't get steamed rolled by lesser talent as often as maryland does during the regular season. Sure, the Hoyas lost to Ohio. But when any team shoot 57% from the field and over 50% from the 3 point arc and making 13 3's, they can beat anybody.

Maryland came so close of missing the tournament and the ACC was really weak this year. And the only team in the ACC that had any weight got blown out by Gtown.

The fact is every team in todays college BB can beta any other team on any given night because the competition is so close and even now days opposed to before.

More, Gtown is really getting the program back to where it should be after the mess JTIII was left from the previous coach after Big John retired.

That is one reason why Gtown will start getting better recruits now like back in the Big John days. Nobody wanted to play for Gtown when the last coach was coaching forgot his name Craig Erickson or something like that.


Now! Gtown has the son of the God father coaching and now young ballers want to come play again for Gtown because of the tradition and the Big East hype. Sure, alot of you say Gtown BB is boring. But maryland university BB and the program is boring to top recruits(period). Top recruits want to play for a traditional school with TV coverage and the likes of the Big East power conference.


Sure, the ACC is a power house also. But when you think ACC. Top recruits look at Maryland as a after thought compared to Duke and North Carolina. Why? because Duke and North Carolina made the ACC just like Gtown and Syracuse made the Big East.


So, in the eye of top recruits, Maryland is a boring program.

Posted by: echamber | March 26, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

It didn't hurt the program one bit. The only thing that guaranteed is Big Monroe coming back with Moses #1 next year starting to feel like the 80's around here.

Posted by: mr-reeves | March 26, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

lol it'll be funny to see what Hoya fans do if Monroe changes his mind and declares for the NBA Draft and the Hoyas are playing home games one year from now (NIT). Fact is, G'town has had ONE final 4 appearance in the last 25 years. Maryland, however, has managed to recover from being sanctioned to appearing in 14 of the last 17 NCAA tournaments, going to consecutive Final Fours, and winning a National Championship.

Fact is, GEORGETOWN has been the REGIONAL AFTERTHOUGHT for the better part of 2.5 decades. Add to that both BIG and LITTLE John's resistance to play the Terps...MD-G'town game would be the premiere game of the region every season, and JTII/III are too stupid to put away their massive egos (still don't understand why JTIII has one) and play Gary and the Terps.

Posted by: kman2 | March 26, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Juan Dixon and Lonnie Baxter are not walking through that door!

Posted by: mr-reeves | March 26, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Just be happy with all the globe trotters you all recruit every year.

Posted by: mr-reeves | March 26, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Where did that loser Victor Page end up?

Posted by: edr04 | March 26, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

What about that fool Lonnie Baxter?

Posted by: mr-reeves | March 26, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

I don't know dude, I lost track of him after he won a national championship.

Posted by: edr04 | March 26, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

still shooting guns in the air downtown?

Posted by: mr-reeves | March 26, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

it looks like all of you MD fans have forgotten about the 30+ point butt kicking last year the Hoyas gave you in the Old Spice Classic Tournament in Disney World. Why would you want that every year.

Posted by: redskinscox1 | March 26, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

The Maryland Globe trotters!

Posted by: mr-reeves | March 26, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

So how much did Big John pay his advisor? He told the IU coaches he was committing to IU before he left.

Posted by: guest011 | March 26, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

funny that georgetown won't play maryland in the bb&t classic when the bb&t is played on georgetown's home court (although I guarantee maryland would bring just as many students as gtown - if not more like earlier this year when syarcuse fans owned the verizon center. I was there. I witnessed it.). I musta missed the memo that georgetown basketball has done anything recently. there is one national championship banner hanging in the rafters of the verizon center, and it is from 1984.

Posted by: terps241 | March 26, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Too bad there isn't a Hoya Insider so Terp fans could likewise flood it with inane trolls. Couldn't hope to match the inane-ness of mr-reeves though.

And echamber, Maryland came close to missing the tournament? You lost all hope of anybody listening to you there, buddy.

Posted by: MrScrotums | March 26, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Good talent wasted on a lousey underacheiving coach.

Posted by: sbf845 | March 27, 2010 7:00 AM | Report abuse

The twerps won't make the tournament next year.

Posted by: mr-reeves | March 27, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Who was the last team in the area that won the National Championship? Which team consistently underachieves despite NBA talent? Which team consistently overachieves despite average talent? Why any player in the area would go to G-town is beyond me. If you want to play for a coach that is going to make you better every year, come to CP. My favorite part of this is that G-town can never fire JT. If they fire him they will never get another DC recruit again. If they keep him, well, we've seen the results year in year out.

Posted by: aviscardo | March 27, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

He's been there six years dude. Gary Williams has been at Maryland since the 80's, and still doesn't have his program on track.I remember most of so called fans was just calling for his head.

Posted by: mr-reeves | March 27, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Gary Williams is outdated and you all will run him off very soon if this recruiting nonsense keeps up.

Posted by: mr-reeves | March 27, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't say Thompson underachieves with the talent he has. The problem with this year's team was consistency. The wins were as stunning as the losses. There few teams this year that can say they beat as many solid/great teams as Gtown did this year (Butler, Washington, Pitt, Villanova, Duke, Syracuse, Marquette). The Hoyas had some of the most well-played, even brilliant games I've ever seen as a Hoya fan. And then we had the major bombs. The blame for the inconsistency part lies at least partly with the coach, but not entirely.

The problem for MD is that this was going to be their best year for a while (with a 4yr starter, three others that started for 2 or 3 seasons; all graduating this year). JWill has been great, and there are good guys coming in, but the short-term future doesn't look real good.

Posted by: christopherwilliams100 | March 27, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Speculation. Rivals.com had Maryland as 7th in the nation in this recruiting class earlier. Gary Williams coaching shouldn't be underestimated. As opposed to Thompson, he overachieves. Maybe next year will be a rebuilding year, but I still expect them to do well.

Posted by: MrScrotums | March 27, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

So, Yanda, all these comments beg the question - is Goins still taking lunch at 12:20?

Posted by: garyquipfan | March 27, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Reeves:

3 McDonalds All-Americans: 1 NIT, and two losses to double digit seeds in the past 3 years. Go home.

Georgetown outside of one nice year this decade, has been irrelevant since the 80's.

Posted by: island1 | March 27, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Maryland will never see another final four under Gay Williams.

Posted by: mr-reeves | March 28, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Georgetown will never see another Sweet 16 under Thompson.

Posted by: MrScrotums | March 28, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

MrScrotums -

In the interest of being PC I tried unsuccessfully to change my screen name. Unfortunately I asked the wrong person for assistance and now will be using this screen name for the foreseeable future. Don't feel nearly as bad after seeing yours.

I think maybe the Terps players should invite the Hoya players over next weekend so that they can watch the FF together. Both teams were good enough to get there this year and both shoud be disappointed they did not get further. That said, both had pretty good seasons, of course up until their respective last games.

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | March 28, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

I love the call someone made earlier in the comments about G-Town fans being the ultimate bandwagon hoppers. So True. I would imagine that the bandwagon is pretty empty right now, after a total collapse last year and not just losing to a 14 seed but, getting your butt handed to you, this year.


Posted by: Section505203 | March 29, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Maryland Globe Trotters!

Posted by: mr-reeves | March 29, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

MrScrotums vs. mr-reeves makes me wonder where Poopy_McPoop and Barno have gone.

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: hgr-1 | March 29, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Kman, umm...as a 2x MD graduate (undergrad & grad school) I have to say: you are wrong. GU went to the Final Four in 1982, 1984, 1985, and 2007. Remember the beating in OT, Jeff Green put on UNC???? Four times dude.....

Posted by: gr8bigguy | March 29, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

gr8bigguy -

I think the qualifier kman used was 25 years, putting the last of the Ewing teams just out of reach. Kind of like quoting stats for MD from 2003 and beyond to leave out 2001 & 2002.

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | March 29, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

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