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Posted at 8:28 AM ET, 11/30/2010

Friedgen, Yow and Orlando's Champs Sports Bowl

By Eric Prisbell

On one side you have Ralph Friedgen advocating for his overachieving Terrapins and their compelling redemptive narrative. On the other side you have Debbie Yow advocating for her Wolfpack and its legions of loyal, will-travel-for-bowl followers.

Perhaps a fitting conclusion to the season.

Less than a week until official bowl announcements are made, interested parties are making final well-argued pitches for their respective teams. For the ACC, the pivotal bowl in the selection process appears to be Orlando’s Champs Sports Bowl, which has the third selection after the Orange Bowl and the Chick-fil-A Bowl presumably pluck from the ACC title game participants.

How the Champs Sports Bowl goes will largely determine how several, if not all, of the remaining ACC dominos fall. And the Champs Sports Bowl’s decision likely will come down to Maryland vs. North Carolina State, an appealing story vs. an appealing fan base.

“We’re deserving of going to a top-tier bowl,” Friedgen said.

“Our fans are faithful and travel well,” N.C. State AD Debbie Yow told the Charlotte Observer. “They have proven that.”

N.C. State (8-4) likely would bring more fans; Maryland has traveled well earlier this decade to bowl games, but the Terrapins have struggled mightily to fill their stadium this season. Only 35,000 turned out for the regular season finale, albeit on a chilled, windy afternoon.

Maryland (8-4) has the advantage on the field, having beaten N.C. State 38-31 in the regular season finale. The Terrapins are a team on the rise, seemingly improving each week, win or lose, and feature standouts in QB Danny O'Brien and WR Torrey Smith.

Notre Dame (7-5) is the likely opponent for the ACC representative in Orlando because the Irish will be within two games of the eligible Big East team and is allowed to be selected by the bowl once every four years.

That’s important because, as one bowl executive told me, given Notre Dame’s fan base and brand name, its opponent is less important, meaning Maryland’s attendance concerns would be diminished if Notre Dame is the opponent. In short, the Irish fans will do their part to make sure the stadium is filled regardless of opponent.

After Orlando’s selection, the Sun Bowl in El Paso, Texas, will have to decide among Miami and other ACC teams. Miami (7-5) is the ultimate wild card because of the school’s decision to fire Coach Randy Shannon late Saturday night following the close of an underwhelming regular season. Still, Miami has broad appeal.

"Miami is Miami," Sun Bowl chairman John Folmer told the Palm Beach Post. "We're in El Paso (Texas) and the opportunity to get a University of Miami doesn't come along very often."

After the Sun Bowl, comes Charlotte’s Meineke Car Care Bowl. Clemson is the favorite, but Maryland remains in contention.

Then comes Nashville’s Music City Bowl, which likes a potential North Carolina-Tennessee matchup. After that is the Independence Bowl in Shreveport, La., where Georgia Tech had been pegged. And then comes the Military Bowl in D.C., which remains hopeful of landing Maryland despite a slew of developments late Saturday that reduced the likelihood of that scenario.

By Eric Prisbell  | November 30, 2010; 8:28 AM ET
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Everyone knows the Champs Sports Bowl is a better bowl than many, especially the Military Bowl. But someone should tell Ralph what a "Top Tier" bowl is. The top tier is the BCS. The second tier bowls are bowls like the Chick-filet, Capital One, Cotton and Liberty. The Champs Sports Bowl is a third tier bowl. Third tier is better than Military Bowl and certainly better than the toilet bowl, where we were last year...

Posted by: petecard | November 30, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Saw MD's AD on MPT last night and he seemed to say that the bowl decision for MD will be known by the middle of this week. He also expresed, again, his dislike of the coach-in-waiting concept.

Posted by: fellowfan | November 30, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Does NCST travel well to Orlando? (Full disclosure, I cut and pasted these from a post on the Sun's 'Tracking the Terps').

2006 Maryland versus Purdue 40,168

2003 NC State versus Kansas 26,482
2001 NC State versus Pitt 28,562
2000 NC State versus Minn 28,359

2009 Miami versus Wisconsin 56,747
1998 Miami versus NC State 44,387

NCST only appears to "travel well" when Miami is playing in Orlando. Do facts matter the bowl guys? Nope. They love the attention. Prisbell, please make note of the attendance figures before taking Yow's assertion at face value. You know, fact checking and reporting.

Posted by: WheelsRI | November 30, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

I think the team deserves the Champs Sports Bowl, and probably will end up there. Our numbers from the last time there were good enough to justify it, and the fact that we're playing Notre Dame here next year makes it more appealing. Frankly, though, I have no desire to go back to Orlando--it's warm, but that's about all it has going for it.

Posted by: lulu9 | November 30, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

"Legions of loyal, will-travel-for-bowl followers"? I was in the upper deck, and while there were a few NCSU fans, not an overwhelming number considering they haven't had a winning season in like 4 years and were on the verge of winning the Atlantic. Wake had more when they beat us to clinch the division in 2006.

Posted by: island1 | November 30, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Yow is a very good salesperson when it comes to bowls. she got us into the Chik/Peach above State and Uva, the Gator above Uva and the Champs above Clemson by promoting how well are fans travel and guaranteeing tickets. Here is a quote from Yow:

"Maryland fans enjoy bowl travel," Maryland Director of Athletics Deborah A. Yow said. "They're not finished purchasing tickets yet, but our fans have shown why they are among the best in the country."

so you may want to take her claims of State travelling well with a grain of salt.

NC State travelled well (25K) to the Gator in 2002 when they had Rivers and got a ND match-up. Every team travels to play ND. State also travelled well to the Meineke which. Per articles googled, State took nearly 10K to the papajohns in 08, 7500 to the tangerine in 2003. Its showing with Pitt in the 2001 tangerine was not impressive.

during the same period MD took nearly 30K to the orange. 22K to the chik/Peach, 18K to Jax and Yow guaranteed 15K to the Champs, about 11K actually went but the crowd was the largest ever and MD fans outnumbered Purdue fans. At the Emerald bowl, MD sold more than 5000 tickets, topping all ACC tickets sales to that bowl.

NC State's travelling rep is not better than MD. However, they currently have better momentum with fan support than MD does, and it's proximity to the bowls presents an oppt. to drive. Both programs have been mediocre at best for the past 5-6 years, but MD's 2-10 results during the recession really hurt.

Posted by: minhle1 | November 30, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

I seriously want to know when NC State became the "travel well" school. I don't think i've ever even met an NC State graduate. Maryland is the better team and they certainly would be a better draw vs Notre Dame. You can also expect a much better tv draw with Maryland's DC TV market which the bowls can use as leverage the following year. Nobody outside of Raleigh gives a damn about NC State. Maryland has over a million potential viewers in DC. I personally think a MD Tennessee match up in Nashville would be ideal. Maryland and Tennessee have a long history of meeting in bowls and you can bet the folks in Knoxville have not forgotten the beat down we gave them last time. I go to Knoxville often and they still talk about it every time I mention Maryland.

Posted by: tony28 | November 30, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse


I don't wish to bash you as the others have but you need to do some fact checking. The attendance figures the past decade do not support the NOTION that NC State travels better than Maryland. Irregardless of the home attendance figures this season, the facts show that Maryland not NC State has travelled better the past decade. It is there in black and white for all to see.

Posted by: hateisnotafamilyvalue | November 30, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

First, NC State does not travel well to bowls outside the Gator. Second, I hear that Yow is throwing us under the bus with every chance she has with the Champ Sports Executives. Third, my inside sources tell me that the Military Bowl Executives are going to invite East Carolina today or before the end of this week as they will probably bring anywhere from 12,000 to 25,000 to the game and they have one of the largest alum in this area as compared to other regional schools. Last, yesterday my source stated that there was a slight chance that we will land the Champs Sports Bowl and now that chance is now 50/50. I think we are going to get that spot based on some of the info I have heard. If not the champs sports bowl, we will play in the Military Bowl as the other bowl executives have us as their third choice as the highest.

Posted by: terpmail | November 30, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

And then comes the Military Bowl in D.C., which remains hopeful of landing Maryland despite a slew of developments late Saturday that reduced the likelihood of that scenario.

By Eric Prisbell | November 30, 2010; 8:28 AM ET

I'm just not understanding this at all. On sunday, you wrote not once but twice that the Terps were headed to the Military Bowl. Now you're saying that the developments on SATURDAY reduced that likelihood. Why did it take until now for you to realize this when ALL your readers have been saying this for weeks?

Posted by: Barno1 | November 30, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Take that TerpfanMA, Petecard, Carolina1, SirPelleas, Epdaly,, and of course, Poopy McPoop.

What are you going to say now?? Thank God the school did not listen to you idiots.

Viva the Fridge!

Posted by: Barno1 | November 30, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

It's kind of funny that Eric chalks it up to a "slew of developments" that changed the situation when for 6 straight blogs he wrote that MD was going to the Military if it didn't go to the Orange. Well, the only developments that mattered were fans showed up for a tight game with FSU and MD beat State. this outcome was always a possibility and Prisbell was simply too lazy to understand that 8-4 teams typically are not going to concede to the lowest bowl without some fight. Eric relied on innuendos about travel reps and "brand names" and a "slew" of other semi-truths to push this military bowl agenda.

We may still end up there but someone needs to seriously consider what value this guy is providing to the readership.

Posted by: minhle1 | November 30, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Since Maryland beat N.C. State this season, wouldn't it prove bowls are all about the money if N.C. State is selected?

If so, that's sad.

Besides, there is plenty of evidence Maryland travels quite well so Debbie Yow can stuff that one.

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | November 30, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

It will come down to money and who the bowl committee believes travels better. It will not be about wins and losses and that is sad. I will not be at all surprised if MD gets jobbed on this.

Posted by: anw821 | November 30, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Not to defend Prisbell, because I sometimes question whether or not he has an agenda beyond generating buzz like a cable news host (see the series on Gary last year), but I don't think you can say he was pushing a 'Military Bowl Agenda'. He probably was hearing that kind of talk from bowl officials.

I think what we can ask Eric to do is a little more in depth reporting, to not take statements at face value. In pushing him to dig a little deeper he might end up reporting things we don't want to hear. I'm okay with that. At least digging deeper will provide more evidence.

He knows, or should know, what a sham the ticket sales issue is. MD will likely guarantee any bowl whatever ticket buy the bowl wants, regardless if MD can sell them all. The issue is whether the match up generates interest. That assures the bowl more coverage, driving their brand and ensuring larger TV contracts in the future. It's not about ticket sales.

If Debbie Yow still ran the AD, we'd see MD at the Military Bowl for sure. She wanted to balance the budget more than anything, and the Military Bowl would limit travel costs. MD would actually earn money for the ACC's revenue sharing plan by playing at the Military Bowl. MD will likely lose a lot of money (in the hundreds of thousands) by playing in Orlando just on the travel costs and mandatory length of stay requirements.

Bu that's okay...the ACC will offset the loses, just like they did when we went to Boise. We can thank the BCS payout for that!

Posted by: WheelsRI | November 30, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

From what i've read on message boards, Yow left the AD in a financial mess, a mess that has not made its way to the public yet. Yow also was very shrewd when it comes to securing a good bowl berth. If she was Ad at MD, she would not let us go to the Military bowl.

The issue with Eric's reporting was that he was lazy with his research and after 6-7 blogs being adamant about the Military bowl, never once considered how these things unfold in different ways. Many of the readers were in disbelief not so much by the chance of getting stuck at the Military bowl, but moreso by his persistency that it was the only choice, which is pretty ridiculous when you think about it.

As far Yow claiming anything about MD travel, she has made any such claims. She stated that State travels well, which is her job to sell the school.

Posted by: minhle1 | November 30, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

that should read Yow never stated we didn't travel. that was inaccurate insinuations by Prisbell in several blogs. In fact, she trumped our horn loudly as a well travelled school when she was our AD.

Posted by: minhle1 | November 30, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Simply put Maryland fans have more money to spend.

We would much rather go to Orlando where there are adventure parks and Disney world and see a big game, than go to North Carolina or Atlanta.

Posted by: khornbeak | November 30, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

It's official...

Posted by: Russtinator | November 30, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

NC State didn't travel well here on Saturday, and they had a LOT more on the line then we did.

The State fans that I talked to afterwords expressed little interest in going to any bowl game (though in fairness, some of that will wear off after a couple of days).

minhle1 has the numbers. and they do not support NC State as a better traveling football program than the Terps.

Posted by: terp4303 | November 30, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

My guess is that the Champs Sports Bowl would really lean towards the Terps now unless Yow can offer a guarntee on tickets.

Posted by: Russtinator | November 30, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I think it's a toss up with perhaps State having a slight edge because they may be willing to guaranteeing more tickets. However, if ND is chosen as expected, the opponent's ticket sales may not matter as much because the Irish will sell out the stadium and then match-up for TV may be the key factor.

Posted by: minhle1 | November 30, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

I've always enjoyed talking football with Maryland fans, but some of these comments might benefit from a different POV.

1)With regard to bowl attendance from individual schools, Maryland only turned out 35,000 for its last home game against State. And you folks are arguing who will turn out the most fans for a bowl? Verifying bowl attendance is very difficult so I would question the value of citing statistics from a single post. Find any official source and that is a discussion worth pursuing. This post by lulu does not help:
"Frankly, though, I have no desire to go back to Orlando--it's warm, but that's about all it has going for it."

2) As for thhis question, "I seriously want to know when NC State became the "travel well" school." 1972 when State beat WVU to a pulp in the Peach Bowl and took an enormous crowd to Atlanta. So, the bowl committees seem to be of a consensus that State does travel better than UMD over the past, oh, 38 years.

3)"Irregardless of the home attendance figures this season, the facts show that Maryland not NC State has travelled better the past decade. It is there in black and white for all to see."

Where? Show me the official source for both schools? And irregardless is not a word. Also, how can you ignore MD's home attendance, especially in its last, crucial game, against NC State?

4)"Since Maryland beat N.C. State this season, wouldn't it prove bowls are all about the money if N.C. State is selected?" By this logic, it would be inappropriate for FSU to get a bowl better than State since State beat them. This is the kind of tortured logic that can lead people to say "Towson State is actually a better team than Boise State."

5)"Simply put Maryland fans have more money to spend." Really? How in the world could you ever cite this as a fact?

6)"I don't think I've ever even met an NC State graduate." Tony28, do you live in a hole? I would like to introduce you to Terp3403, who has actually met some NC State people, some of whom might be graduates.

If it makes you feel better, you guys have broken our hearts like no other ACC team ever has.

I admire your passion for MD. One of my first memories of playing MD was of the UMD baton twirlers at a game in Raleigh. My dad said they had an extra layer of fat to keep them warm, so they would not freeze in their skimpy outfits. I have had nothing but great interactions with MD fans. I gradually realized the extra layer of fat think was ridiculous and ended up marrying a girl from NJ. So best wishes on getting into a really great bowl. Also, if you find any dirt on team pastel (UNC), even a speck, please let statefansnation know so we can jab UNC in the eye with it.

Posted by: ces1963 | November 30, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

1)With regard to bowl attendance from individual schools, Maryland only turned out 35,000 for its last home game against State.

This was actually an impressive 35,000 given the circumstances. Let's not forget this was on Thanksgiving weekend when the students were away. The lower bowl was filled except for the students. If they had been there we'd easily have a 45,000 crowd for that game.

Posted by: Barno1 | November 30, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

ces1963, great and classy post. It will be lost on many idiots on this board who are collectively known as Koolaid drinkers. There is a guy named Barno who we would love to see you take home to your NC State blog.
All the commentary about who travels well is ridiculous. It's not that it doesn't matter. It's that there is nothing all the people speculating about it can do about it. Whatever bowl game you get to... enjoy it.

Posted by: petecard | November 30, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

From the article:
"Maryland (8-4) has the advantage on the field, having beaten N.C. State 38-31 in the regular season finale. The Terrapins are a team on the rise, seemingly improving each week, win or lose, and feature standouts in QB Danny O'Brien and WR Torrey Smith."

Yes...Maryland beat NC State this weekend at home (and with some controversial help at the end).

Let's look at the entire season (correct me if I am wrong on the hard data)...NC State & Maryland finished with identical records against vastly different schedules.

NC State played NINE teams that are currently bowl eligible, including both participants in the ACC Title game.

NC State played teams that finished #1; #3 (tie); and #3 (tie) in the Coastal Division.

Maryland played teams that finished #2; last (tie); and last (tie) in the Coastal Division.

Even WITH Maryland's head to head victory, the Sagarin rankings indicate the difference of the two teams' OVERALL seasons -- NC State #31; Maryland #42.

So how does Maryland have the 'advantage on the field'?

Posted by: ronnieshavlik | November 30, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

NC State's one argument for being selected to the Champs Sports Bowl, that its fans travel, is a moot point if Notre Dame is selected. Notre Dame fans will show up, and the bowl won't need NC State and its "traveling" fans to fill the stadium. Therefore the bowl committee should base its decision on relevant factors.

The University of Maryland, academically and athletically, is superior to NC State University. The school has much greater national appeal.

Posted by: ams1986 | November 30, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

we don't need to get into a pissing contest. the 35K on T-day weekend with all the students gone is pretty normal. With that said, there's no doubt that State's fan support this year is better than MD's considering our 2-10 campaign last year and the expectations for your school and Wilson this year. that with proximity to the bowls make State a strong choice. As for travel for the decade, the numbers I found for State were from articles that anyone can google. The figures for MD are from AD sources, and while Orange (30K), Gator (18), Chick(22), Champs (15K) Emerald (5) figures may not all be exact, they are not made-up. But I can see you being somewhat skeptical, but similarly, i think most would not find a game from nearly 40 years ago as any evidence of your fan following. State has had many mediocre years as well in betweebn.

when in miami for the Orange, I recall watching a local newscaster commenting on estimates of 30K from MD for the game. Our rep amongst the bowls were built on three straight showings and 2 final fours.

I think for this year, State can make a stronger case than MD, but historically, State has not travelled better than MD

Posted by: minhle1 | November 30, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

ces, I also appreciate your comments, but there some points I would like to share.

MD and State share the same league record, therefore for many leagues, the tiebreaker is the head to head. but for bowls, it's irrelevant. FSU finished one game above you, your defeat of them makes no difference is of no comparison.

In 1972, VT did not travel anywhere for football. Your schools' trip to one bowl not more than 5 hours by car did not create your reputation. there are many tangy and micron pc bowls your team played in the past 20 years that had terrible attendance. You need to simply look up the box scores.

I agree that there's no evidence that MD fans are richer or are more civilized.

Posted by: minhle1 | November 30, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Do the morons running the Military Bowl really believe Maryland will be a big draw?

It's a Wednesday game at 2pm. Who's taking a day off of work to see MD vs East Carolina?

The students won't be there because they will be gone for the holiday break.

Maryland fans will be so disgusted that all of the higher bowls took teams that had worse records or were teams MD beat they'll probably boycott the game.

If RFK was half full I'd be shocked. They'd have to put everyone in the lower bowl like at DC United games.

The team could also embarrass the conference and system by simply saying, "Thanks, but no thanks."

Posted by: Selby64 | November 30, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

It will be lost on many idiots on this board who are collectively known as Koolaid drinkers.

Posted by: petecard | November 30, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Jesus. You really have to be a very special kind of idiot--not just your every day, run of the mill, dummy--to be calling other people idiots on a day like today when you're the one who relentlessly called for Ralph Friedgen's head only a few short weeks ago.

Good lord Petecard, you are about as unintelligent as they come.

Posted by: Barno1 | November 30, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone think that ND doesnt have a say on who they play in the bowl? Champs goes to ND and ask them who they think they can beat and prefer to play. Ulitimately the decision is made in South Bend--IMO

Posted by: dpshultzfam | November 30, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Barno, kind of sad to see your hurry to validate the stereotype that you represent.

Minhle1, not sure where the breakdown was but I never said state's rep was based on one game. Please reread this below. Note my including the exact question I am answering:

) As for this question, "I seriously want to know when NC State became the "travel well" school." 1972 when State beat WVU to a pulp in the Peach Bowl and took an enormous crowd to Atlanta. So, the bowl committees seem to be of a consensus that State does travel better than UMD over the past, oh, 38 years.

I do remember that State's 1973 bowl had a lot to do with its fan turnout in 1972. A lot of it had to do with Lou Holtz as a character that made a lot of things about football fun.

Also, there will always be some reason to argue that 35,000 was a good number. Those are the kinds of rationales that lead bowls not to hand out invitation. State has been sold out for years week after week. Bowls notice that kind of stuff and who travels.

As far as wins vs. losses, another point to be made about State vs Md is quality of schedule, where there is a huge difference in State's favor. My point was that just because Md beat State, that does not somehow qualify MD that get a better bowl. Other intangibles figure in.

Minhle1 thanks for sharing the details of where your numbers come from. It is a good argument you make. I can't take time to address that right now. Thanks for a good discussion.

Posted by: ces1963 | November 30, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse


You cited the lulu post but directly above it you had the following -

2006 Maryland versus Purdue 40,168
2003 NC State versus Kansas 26,482
2001 NC State versus Pitt 28,562
2000 NC State versus Minn 28,359

All Tangerine/Champs Sports Bowl attendance figures. As I mentioned earlier, "fans traveling" is a moot point. The bowl will force any school to purchase a certain number of tickets anyway, so they get their money regardless (and you're right, irregardless isn't a word...I understand that being a pet peeve).

But we have literal proof that NCST doesn't travel any better than MD.

And ronnieshavlik:

"So how does Maryland have the 'advantage on the field'?"

MD-38, NCST-31 (11/27/10)

I don't care about Sagarin ratings. And don't give me the "help from officials." The play got reviewed and the yellow line is an approximation. And for the love of God, how do you explain the whistle in the middle of the play that somehow counted? Or of Wilson's QB sneak from the 1 that didn't look like he got in at all (or at best got in after his forward progress had clearly been stopped). Don't complain about officiating. NCST blew a 14 point lead.

Posted by: WheelsRI | November 30, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

I think the Champs bowl organizers will be assured our fan base is fired up now and ready to make the trip. And the Athletic Department likely feels more comfortable guaranteeing a solid number of tickets, whatever that is. And as others have said, these are less critical with Notre Dame. They haven't played a bowl game in the eastern half of the US in three years. And not in Florida since the 2003 Gator Bowl. I'm thinking Maryland-Notre Dame is looking quite good to WHOMEVER is calling the shots on this thing, be they in South Bend or Orlando. Also, playing them next November in Landover may well be a plus from ND's perspective, not a minus. Gets a little thing going between the programs. Maryland is one of the more Catholic states, for what that is worth. (Gee, can you tell I'm trying to do my part to help will us to victory in Yow Bowl II: The Backroom Brawl for Orlando??!)

Posted by: jake177 | November 30, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse


I don't know where you got your numbers, but somehow, all these bowls and journalists over the last few decades have concluded that NCSU travels better than UMD. Looking at this season's attendance and especially the numbers at the State game, really hurt. If people in Maryland will not show up for a game in College Park, how likely is it that they will go to Florida for a bowl, especially compared to State.

Posted by: ces1963 | November 30, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

FWIW, talk in Raleigh is Maryland vs ECU in D.C. in the Military Bowl. Good luck!

Posted by: ces1963 | November 30, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse


Talk in Raleigh is worth a lot less than zero on this subject. Particularly when you don't back it up with relevant rationale. Maryland has a clear track record of traveling to bowls, particularly when the fanbase is very excited as everyone knows we are right now. I'm not saying Maryland-to-Orlando is a lock, but there is no evidence we have less than even odds at this point. Moreover, your belief in Maryland going to RFK shows you definitely are not up to speed on the wider bowl picture, in my opinion. Also, Ralph Friedgen is a serious, credible guy. If he says it is down to Orlando, Charlotte or El Paso then I am highly inclined to believe that.

Posted by: jake177 | November 30, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

What we need is Prisbell to post one more entry about how they are definitely going to the Military Bowl, and then it's Florida here we come!

Posted by: themantoyou | November 30, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

All I am going to say is that if you want a good match-up in the Champs Bowl of 2010, have The University of Miami Hurricanes and Notre Dame. These two teams are suppose to meet in 2012 for a series and what better way to start than this bowl.

These two teams will travel and it will be a heck of a game. Give both of these teams a chance to prove themselves. Both teams have so much to prove to themselves and the FOOTBALL WORLD. To me this game will prove so much for both teams, and in the end that is all that matters to most people.

May The Best Team Win!

Sharon Nowling, Hurricane Fan Sice 1969

Posted by: snowling1 | November 30, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse


It doesn't matter if you care or not about Sagarin ratings. The fact is, in 5 out of the 6 computer rankings systems used by the BCS, NC State had a tougher schedule. And whether you want to believe it or not, that IS one of the items taken into consideration by bowl selection committees.

As for "help from the officials" I referred to in the State/UMd game, the ultimate problem was with the chains-not the spot of the ball. When the play began, the line to make was the 31 yard line. You could clearly see the orange marker at the end of the chain resting at the 31. The runner got to about the 31 and a 1/2. However, when they measured for the first, the chain somehow stretched to the ball, and not the 31 yard line where it was supposed to. Who’s to blame? The home team supplies the chain crew, but the officials are responsible for these on-field measurements. Somebody screwed up, an apparent theme for this game and a hallmark of Ron Cherry officiating.

Blowing a lead is easy when you have help. How about the mugging on the slant pass that allowed Franklin to intercept the deflection? Huge momentum swing there. I'm not saying State would have won if UMd doesn't get the first down at the end...but it would have been nice to go down swinging, instead of giving up a first down because someone on the chains altered the position marker.

I will give credit to O'Brien...incredible game, really impressed with him. He has definitely improved through the year. I don't understand why we didn't adjust to what Friedgen was calling, basically the same play, keep a back in on long passes in case of the blitz (and they picked up the blitz well) and throw to Smith, who is going to be open in a zone coverage given 3+ seconds of QB time.

Posted by: ronnieshavlik | December 1, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Here is my original post, posted at the Sun. I got the data from several different sports websites and journals. Because the bowl has changed names several times, it was a bit of an effort to dig it all up. The bottom line is that NC State is an absolutely horrible attendance draw in Champ Sports bowl games. That is just the cold hard truth. I included the link to Forbes for the wealthiest counties in the US. Again this is from a reliable source. As I pointed out in the post, only the less desirable seats are sold to the schools for distribution. The more important number is the attendance figure. If you want a good seat and are at least somewhat intelligent you certainly won't be buying it through your school's booster organization or ticket office. Thus, the attendance figure is a more accurate reflection of the fan base's interest. I won't be posting here often.



Can you confirm the past attendance numbers for when Maryland, Miami and NC State were in the Champ bowl even in its previous names.

2006 Maryland versus Purdue 40,168

2003 NC State versus Kansas 26,482
2001 NC State versus Pitt 28,562
2000 NC State versus Minn 28,359

2009 Miami versus Wisconsin 56,747
1998 Miami versus NC State 44,387

Here is the reality. We are in one of the worst economic down turns in US history.

Several of the RICHEST COUNTIES IN THE US INCLUDING THE WEALTHIEST CURRENTLY ARE IN THE SUBURBS OF WASHINGTON DC. These include Montgomery Howard, Charles and Calvert Counties Maryland, Louden, Fairfax and Arlington Va. These counties are where Maryland Alumni live.

If NC State did not sell tickets well the three times they went during good economies (without Miami) , why would anyone expect them to draw even paltry tickets sales now.

Miami did out draw Maryland in ticket sales. However, there is a smaller positive impact to the local economy because for Miami fans it is a commuter game. They won't be in the hotels, restaurants, and amusement parks.

Maryland deserves to go to the Champ Sports Bowl. We've drawn very good ticket sales there in the past (2006). NC State would be bad for ticket sales. Miami would be bad ,,, well ,,,, they just fired their coach, it would be a commuter game for their fans, and who know what kind of team will show up. Will they even be prepared to play?

Terps to Orlando.

Just out of curiosity, called them to see how ticket sales are done. All the good seats go to Florida Citrus Sports members. The schools get tickets in the corners, upper deck, and end zones to distribute to their boosters.


Posted by: Pterp | December 1, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Must've been all those Purdue fans filling up the stadium!

In all seriousness, there were many more Terp fans than Purdue at the 06 game.

Good post.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 2, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

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