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Posted at 8:42 AM ET, 12/ 1/2010

Friedgen and vindication

By Eric Prisbell

For weeks Ralph Friedgen concealed the emotions. For weeks he kept the focus on players in the midst of a remarkable turnaround season. And even yesterday, when Friedgen was celebrated for winning ACC coach of the year honors, he deflected much of the attention to his team. But not all of the attention.

Among the first things Friedgen spoke about yesterday: vindication. Unprompted, he reminded media that a year ago at this time he was almost fired. He thanked alumni and fans who remained loyal through last season’s 12-game nightmare. He thanked the media that voted for him. He also said that some people wanted him to make staff changes. Head coaches often don’t survive 2-10 seasons. More rare is the head coach who survives a 2-10 season and brings back his entire staff. By doing so, the message was two-fold: If Friedgen was going down, he was going down his way, with his people. The other half of it was that he still believed his people could help him steer the program back on course.

Some fans wanted Dave Sollazzo gone. Some wanted James Franklin out as offensive coordinator, much less keep him around to be Friedgen’s successor. Others were mixed on defensive coordinator Don Brown even though he inherited a unit in its formative stages. And there were more than a few fans chirping for pass-happy Mike Leach and all his baggage to be lured to College Park.

A year ago, Friedgen was sitting face-to-face with then-AD Debbie Yow explaining his plan to succeed in 2010. He said he was almost fired. We know he can thank the economy for part of the reason he returned. He said maybe it was cockiness, but he never doubted this team would eventually win. In recent weeks, we heard very little from Friedgen about what it felt like to go through that so-called performance review and to come out of it with another bowl eligible team and the program pointed in the right direction. For as much as Friedgen shows his emotions, he kept those concealed.

And there he was yesterday, sitting at a small table in the auditorium of his team house, finally showing some reflective emotion, finally talking about vindication. He spoke about players who earned all-ACC recognition even though one was a former walk-on (Paul Pinegar) recruited by no other D 1-A school and another (Joe Vellano) emerge from such obscurity that coaches wondered whether his spring performance was an aberration. He spoke about players shoveling snow so that they could get inside the armory last winter to conduct agility drills. And he spoke of spending more time with players this season than he can remember. Toward the end, he spoke about how a coach of the year award could help the team get to a better bowl game, perhaps in Orlando to play Notre Dame.

Looking at Friedgen sitting there talking about vindication – not far removed from the downtrodden images and bad luck sound bites of 2009 -- as someone very close to Friedgen aptly said yesterday: “Surreal.”

By Eric Prisbell  | December 1, 2010; 8:42 AM ET
 
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It's interesting that, once again, the choices in this poll don't cover all the bases. I did want Friedgen gone. I realized that fiscally that was probably not going to happen and as long as Yow was there the replacement decision would lead to a worse option, our coach-in-waiting. But, as I have said numerous times (probably at least 3 or 4 since the Virginia win), I think he has certainly earned the right to be back next year. So my vote would be, "No I wasn't wrong" and and "No I don't still think it's time for a change." I even think he deserves a shot to win an extension by building on this year with at least as good a year next year. I doubt that any of my comments about his deserving next year will be cut and pasted by anyone. I won't apologize for wanting to make a change last year and for being very disappointed this year after losses at WVA and Clemson. I will say, again, that the NC State win was better late (last) than never. I hope it leads to a rousing bowl victory and an ACC Championship in 2011.

Posted by: petecard | December 1, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

glad for coaches, players, program and school and fans. Vindication? not sure, Ralph ran a really mediocre program for past 5-6 years, one that needed breaks to go either positive or negative. Not a way to run program. also, game planning and calling need to still improve, playing to win as opposed to playing not to lose is finally present. Ralph deserves the award, he's not done with improving the program, and I'd like to see how we do under high expectations next year.

Posted by: minhle1 | December 1, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Who doesn't love this team? Who isn't happy for them? We all know that Friedgen is emotionally invested, probably more than anyone, and rightly so. But is he the Coach you want to keep?

Friedgen certainly improved the program he inherited, but his ineptitude has also hurt the team on more than one occasion, not just the two-win season that was the worst in school history. Most obvious are personnel judgments such as Morgan Green over Steve Slaton, Joel Statham over Sam Hollenbach, Jordan Steffy over Chris Turner, and the one that saved his job, Jamarr Robinson over Danny O'Brien. All of the Terp's winning quarterbacks since 2004 got their chance due to injuries, not because the Head Coach belatedly recognized their talent.

Injuries, which are a problem every year under Friedgen, together with poor planning for the offensive line personnel created problems the team could not overcome last year.

The problems Friedgen overcame to become Coach of the Year were his own creation.

Let's set the bar higher when Friedgen's contract expires.

Posted by: RITerp | December 1, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Lets see....On its face, 8 wins is good...probably the best anyone can hope for from a Fridge coached team (yeah, I know 9 years ago he won more) but the real test of this program will come NEXT year. Looking at the schedule it looks to be a fairly decent test (unlike the 85th ranked sched we played this year). My complaint about Fridge has always been sustained improvement. We played 4 competitive (in quality and size) Universities this year and won 1 of those games...Next year we only have 2 super cupcakes (and 1 cupcake) on the sched and have added ND as a OOC game....2011 WILL BE the barometer of Fridge...If he gets +8 wins next year, then I think we can agree there is some sustainable momentum here...if we slip back to 5 or 6 wins, then we are back to the same old sputtering good/bad team we have been since 2004

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 1, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Very well stated Pete and RI...I could not agree more!

Get ready, the haters will be here soon with their name calling and insults

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 1, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Lets see....On its face, 8 wins is good...probably the best anyone can hope for from a Fridge coached team (yeah, I know 9 years ago he won more) but the real test of this program will come NEXT year. Looking at the schedule it looks to be a fairly decent test (unlike the 85th ranked sched we played this year). My complaint about Fridge has always been sustained improvement. We played 4 competitive (in quality and size) Universities this year and won 1 of those games...Next year we only have 2 super cupcakes (and 1 cupcake) on the sched and have added ND as a OOC game....2011 WILL BE the barometer of Fridge...If he gets +8 wins next year, then I think we can agree there is some sustainable momentum here...if we slip back to 5 or 6 wins, then we are back to the same old sputtering good/bad team we have been since 2004

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 1, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

The Terps will by playing just 2 teams next season that will not be in bowls this year (UVA and Towson--I'm assuming you're so-call "super cupcake"). I'm not sure where you're getting your 2 cupcakes from, because UVA is the only potential one, and they will be dramatically improved in the second year of Mike London. That's not just a "fairly decent test," that's about as tough as it gets in college football. It's the kind of schedule that could land the Terps in a BCS Bowl even if they are unable to win the ACC Title (if the conference is significantly improved next season, as it is projected to be). FSU in Talahassee, GaTech in Atlanta, NCSU in Raleigh, and Wake in Winston Salem are all very stiff road tests. You never know what Clemson is going to bring into College Park, but I think you can expect a talented, but potentially down Miami team with a new coach, and an improved BC team coming into Byrd. Add ND on a neutral field in the second year of Brian Kelly and WVU at home, and it's quite possibly the toughest schedule in the ACC (aside from maybe Miami with Kansas State, Ohio State, and USF), and one of the toughest in the nation. And if you wanna talk soft, look at VaTech's 2011 schedule with App State, ECU, Arkansas State, and Marshall along with BC and Wake (the two perceived weakest teams) from the Atlantic and Clemson in Blacksburg.

To say that the Terps only play 4 "competitive universities" is an understatement. BC, Wake, Miami, and Duke are all private schools, but put serious dollars into their programs, and aside from Duke have seen significant success historically. The Terps beat BC on the road in a game that was not as close as the score would indicate, they CRUSHED Wake at home (a team the blew out an SEC school to finish the season), they lost on the road to Miami on a last minute play, and beat Duke at a close game at home. I'll give you the Morgan (blowout), Duke and UVA (nearly a blowout) wins as "soft." FIU is the best team in the Sun Belt, and almost knocked off Texas A&M--not what I would call "soft." That's 5 solid wins!

Posted by: Russtinator | December 1, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

It is hilarious watching Petecard and TerpfanMA scramble to find a way to explain how they were actually 'right all along', that this season was 'terrible' just as they predicted it would be, that Coach Friedgen is a 'terrible coach' despite the ACC recognizing him as the best coach in the league this year--for the 2nd time (and being a national coach of the year and national assistant coach of the year earlier in his career). Oh yea, what a terrible coach.

Why can't TerpfanMA admit he was incredibly wrong this year and that anyone with half a brain can see that? Why can't Petecard admit he was incredibly wrong when he said MD football was going nowhere this year and thought we wouldn't more than 4 games and used that line of thinking to demand Fridge be fired?

Simply put: some people just aren't man enough to admit when they are wrong. Even when they are proven wrong beyond any reasonable doubt, they will still stand by their false beliefs and do and say anything to justify those false beliefs, no matter how asinine it makes them look to everyone else.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 1, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Debbie Yow is now the enemy in a way; she has a new agenda and a new job. More than anything else we need local talent to stay here and play for the Terps, not Penn State, not Illinois not Mike Locksley, not Jim Harbaugh.

Posted by: dkane3 | December 1, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Pete: "So my vote would be, "No I wasn't wrong" and and "No I don't still think it's time for a change.""

Ha! Pete still won't admit he was wrong in wanting Fridge fired for the past few years even though that's all he's been saying. Nice Pete. Takes some serious cojones to come up with that.

Posted by: aviscardo | December 1, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Russ, the hair-splitting over the quality of wins does not take away from the core conclusions of Terpfan MA, which are essentially the same as those of RITerp and me. Next year is a big year to see where the program and Ralph are headed. We can all hope for the best. As for your comment about Miami with a coaching change, don't expect them to be "potentially down." Grudin is in. One day, perhaps two, after I made my comments on Sunday when I said it would be Tuesday. They will NOT experience any form of "down." They will again be a force to be reckoned with and we lost to them this year. Look at every great program in the country over any time frame you choose. The coach is the key. I hope that Ralph can be that for us.

Posted by: petecard | December 1, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

The board fascists are out as TerpfanMA suggested they would be and it's clear as usual they don't comprehend the written word. Notice that they didn't comment substantively on any of our posts. They only want to keep score with their own rules and interpretations of who is right and wrong. Funny stuff.

Posted by: petecard | December 1, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Grudin is in. One day, perhaps two, after I made my comments on Sunday when I said it would be Tuesday. They will NOT experience any form of "down." They will again be a force to be reckoned with and we lost to them this year.

I don't know about that. Other teams are pushing hard to steal their recruiting class already, and I don't think Grudin is an immediate turnaround, if he even takes the job. He has ZERO experience recruiting, and ZERO experience as anything above a position coach at the college level. He's a sexy name, but I think it's a bad move for both parties if it happens. Houston, Dallas, San Fran, Minnesota, Cincy, Jax, and Carolina will all likely be looking for coaches next year. There's very little chance Gruden takes a college job over one of those tasty NFL jobs that are likely to be open at the end of the season (especially if Houston or San Fran open up).

Posted by: Russtinator | December 1, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Russ...almost 3/4 of the Div 1 schools will play in a bowl this year...I think even an objective person like yourself will admit that playing in bowls 1 year does not necessarily equate to greatness the next

UMD, being a large, public, state University with almost 30,000 students should be able to beat in football small private U's with 3-5,000 students...schools like Duke, Wake, Navy, Morgan State..

Next year, we play a schedule that will provide a sterner test of this program....like I said, lets see....certainly with ACC COY, veteran QB and all the ACC 1st teamers, I would not expect that there isnt anyone on it that we cant/ shouldnt beat....that being said, it will be time for Fridge to show his mettle and actually be competitive against bigger schools....this year the schedule and the bar were pretty low, so it enabled Fridge to get his feet back under him...next year, he will have to hit the ground running and eliminate the mistakes that have plagued him in the past (not being prepared for big games, starting too slow, getting blown out by good teams and or having big letdown games)....One way or another, this program will be revealed for what it truly is in 2011...he will either prove he is a contender or a pretender

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 1, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

he's fat. He's ugly. His speech pattern isn't especially smooth; really nothing about him is remotely smooth or cool. He's a real guy who looks like he smells funky during August workouts just watching the team. I don't know that first impressions were ever his strong suit.

He's geniune. He cares. He tries hard. He has faith in his players. And he has won big in the past. And his players stay pretty much out of trouble and runs a clean program. We found out on this board that his wife tutors the players - unpaid.

He's our coach, and the coach I WANT this team to succeed with. I don't agree with all of his decision making, but I don't have his job. I agree that he is part of the reason that the team went 2-10 in 2009 but also the main driver for the turnaround to 8-4 in 2010.

His contract was always going to play out - they announced that PRIOR to the NCST game but it was certainly the reasonable approach before then. We collectively EXPECT to contend for the BCS slot next year. That is a high hurdle regardless of the relative quality of the conference.

He deserves every ounce of vindication that he feels - he earned it. But he has high expectations on him NEXT SEASON that will take an outstanding coaching performance to deliver.

Win the bowl game. Whichever one it is. That is the only next step to worry about.

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | December 1, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Vindicated by another season of mediocrity???

Posted by: DaveLopan | December 1, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

The board fascists are out .....

Posted by: petecard | December 1, 2010 12:18 PM |

I actually think today's discussion has been remarkably civil to this point, unlike yesterday with the euphoria of the ACC awards. Lotta well thought out assessments to either agree or disagree with. If the question was more on topic and less of an attempt to spark a board war, then it should have read: "Do you think RF deserves to feel a measure of vindication for the season the Terps delivered?" with a yes/no option.

No one has stated that he does not deserve to feel it, although more than one has pointed out his responsibility for last season.

My question of the day:
Does anyone believe that Yow leaving HELPED the Terps turn around the season?

I think so. Having a boss you can't trust is stressful in the most menial of jobs.

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | December 1, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Russ...almost 3/4 of the Div 1 schools will play in a bowl this year...I think even an objective person like yourself will admit that playing in bowls 1 year does not necessarily equate to greatness the next

121 FBS teams (over 250 Div 1 schools BTW), only 70 bowl teams. Hardly 3/4 TerpfanMA---That's a little less than 1/2. I didn't realize you were that ignorant.

"UMD, being a large, public, state University with almost 30,000 students should be able to beat in football small private U's with 3-5,000 students...schools like Duke, Wake, Navy, Morgan State.."

Enrollment has very little to do with success on the playing field. Not only that, but private universities have very large endowments and zero state government bean counters to question where the money is going. Pricate universities actually have an edge in athletics because they can pay what they want for coaches and facilities without having to answer to a state legislature, which is why so many of them are successful in so many sports.

Posted by: Russtinator | December 1, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Actually, HughG, the question was not about vindication, it was about our support. Go back and take a look.

My answer to your question: I 100% agree with you that her being gone was a big help on a number of levels. Maybe the most significant thing for Ralph was that he got a chance with a new boss and a boss, one who hadn't already hired his replacement.

By the way, you will note if you go back and look at the posts that the negative commentary wasn't started until Barno and Avis weighed in. That is most often the case because they would rather attack people than post their own ideas.

Posted by: petecard | December 1, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Vindicated by another season of mediocrity???

Posted by: DaveLopan | December 1, 2010 12:40 PM

r u serious or being sarcastic?

Either way, the consensus on this board was that 8 wins = a successful season. 9+ wins = great season. At points through the season when we would project though winning 2 of the last four was the key hurdle (which would be 8 wins, verifying the earlier consensus). Note that this consensus was across pretty much the regular contributors - RMOGs and KADs alike. Almost everyone who has been a regular poster here has expressed satisfaction with the season, albeit some (RMOGs) remain disatisfied with RF's results over the last few years.

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | December 1, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

"That's a little less than 1/2. I didn't realize you were that ignorant."

That should read a little "more" than 1/2. Sorry..I got a bit crazy at the absurd notion of TerpfanMA.

Posted by: Russtinator | December 1, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

the negative commentary wasn't started until Barno and Avis weighed in. That is most often the case because they would rather attack people than post their own ideas.

Posted by: petecard | December 1, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

This was a joke, right? You can't seriously believe you aren't the most ridiculously negative guy in the history of this blog, with a long, long history of attacking our best players (see Vasquez, Greivis and Williams, Jordan), calling for our great coaches to be fired (see Williams, Gary and Friedgen, Ralph) and standing by laughable predictions time and time again (see 4 NITs in 5 years, and 4 wins this year).

yeah, we are the negative ones and you are Positivity Pete. Do you ever sit back and wonder why 90% of the people on here think you are a moron?

Posted by: Barno1 | December 1, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

posted by russtinator:

"Enrollment has very little to do with success on the playing field"


Do you realize that 90% of the Top 25 Football Universities have enrollments >20,000?? I guess you just consider that a coincidence? And most years that number is higher

yes, I should have been more specific about my previous "almost 3/4" statement to mean FBS..I assume most understood it...but while you nitpick at little threads, I notice you did not dispute the merits of the premise...after all, the terps were bowling in 2008 and look what we became in 2009


Pete is correct about you, barno and avis...rarely do you disagree with the merits...it is more often just name calling, insults, and nitpicks about FBS vs Div 1 (yes we know there is a difference, thank you!) and word misspellings etc etc etc


the message board is pretty civil until the real juveniles like you and barny join in

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 1, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

"yes, I should have been more specific about my previous "almost 3/4" statement to mean FBS..I assume most understood it...but while you nitpick at little threads, I notice you did not dispute the merits of the premise...after all, the terps were bowling in 2008 and look what we became in 2009"

70 out of 121 is NOT EVEN CLOSE to 3/4. It's not even 2/3. Check your math and change the batteries in your calculator, and then you can get back to me.

TCU enrollment--8,799
Stanford--15,319 (private school, and among the best athletic performers in the country--top 5 Presidet's trophy every year)
Arkansas--21,406 (pretty close to your 20k cutoff for greatness)
LSU--21,103 (again close to the magic 20k)
Boise--19,993
Nevada--17,679
Utah--21,526
Mississippi State--19,644
Northern Illinois--18,816

That's 5 out of the current top 25 that are below the magic 20k for success---Not quite 90% TerpfanMA---just 80% with another 3 (2 of them from the SEC) that are pretty close to 20k.

Posted by: Russtinator | December 1, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Pete -

I agree with you on EP's original question. What I question is the motivation for that question. If he wanted to know how people felt about their own position earlier (right or wrong) then he coulda just read yesterday's posts.

There is no doubt that when good news happens to the Terps, the KADs go right after you and TFMA; when things go bad for the Terps it reminds me of that scene in the greatest movie depiction of NYC of all time: "Barno, come out and play-yay." It goes both ways. What cracks me up the most is when you (petecard) post something absolutely positive about the Terps, the bashing inevitably ensues anyways (like a couch burning in CP). No one else seems to read it, no one says "Its great to see you enjoy this flavor of kool-aid" or "Its especially satisfying to see a skeptic satisfied." It is almost like both sides have each other so villianized that they can't accept mutual happiness about the actual outcome, or they only seek to blame the disappointments on the other side....kinda like American politics.

I do speak up when I see someone say "No one wants you on this board" or the like because they (much like American Political Parties) don't speak for me. the more terps posting the better in my book. I just think its like a kid on a playground saying to another "No one likes you, leave." Hurtful in its intent, and without an ounce of inventiveness behind it. And usually untrue....how many times when there is good news about the Terps has a KAD posted "Where is Petecard/TFMA/Poopy now?" Why are they asking if they don't want you around?

And also look back, when things go wrong for the Terps, the first person the RMOGs call for is Barno. Its a two way street without a moral highground on either side. But its fun to watch...especially when the Terps are winning.

AND THERE IS A BB GAME 2nite!!!

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | December 1, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

If you want to go by straight enrollment, you'd have quite a top 10...

ASU--58,317 NO BOWL
UCF (that's Central Florida and Hack O'Leary)--56,235
Ohio State--56,064
Minnesote--51,721 NO BOWL
Texas--51,195 NO BOWL
Florida--49,129
USF--47,576
Michigan State--47,131
Penn State--44,832

That's 30% of the top enrollment institutions that are not going to bowls this year. How many of those teams are in BCS bowls this year---NONE (except for perhaps Ohio State).

Posted by: Russtinator | December 1, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

A Day in the Life of Petey:

1)Wake up
2)Take off yankees pj's and smile at his poopy mcpoop poster that hangs above his bed.
3)Kick his dog and smack his kids for not being cute enough
4)Feel unhappy with his life
5)Log on to Terrapin insider
6)Angrily attack alma-mater
7)Fantasize about a TerpMA cuddling him at night
8)Get pissed that terps don't play each of the top 12 ranked teams each year
9)Watch you tubes of vasquez shimmy while punching self in face
10)Talk himself into attending a terps sporting event, but quickly rethink supporting team in favor of yelling at wife and kids
11)Angrily find barno posts to argue with
12)Put yankees pj's back on
13)Contradict self one last time
14)Kiss poster of poopy mcpoop goodnight.
15)Sleep
16)Dream of his personal heaven where terps lose every game every year and coaches get fired.

Posted by: JoeMama11 | December 1, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Russ...you are missing my point...its like the debate between being unhealty and obese...I am not saying that all unhealthy people are obese but rather that all obese people are unhealthy...my point was that a large school like UMD (with +30,000) should generally have a more competitive football program than small schools with enrollments in the 3-5,000 student range...Is that ALWAYS the case? No of course not and certainly not every large university has a top caliber football program but it is true that the vast majority of top caliber programs are large universities which speaks to the inherent advantages that large schools have

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 1, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Joe/Barny whoever you are...it was funny the first time...the 2nd? Not so much

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 1, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Russ, My previous point stands on its merits....you would have to look pretty hard and would be hard pressed to come up with more than a token example of a school with an enrollment of <5,000 students who would be favored in a football game with a 30,000 University....every once in a while? yeah, but not the norm

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 1, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Pete/TerpFan,
I got no problem with you two having different opinions. My problem is that you two were SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong about the Fridge and refuse to admit it. TerpFan, to his credit, has somewhat admitted he was wrong in wanting Fridge fired. But Pete has somehow tried to rationalize it saying that he didn't want Fridge fired after all and his own words were misconstrued. Pete, how bout you just say, "I wanted Fridge fired. I was wrong" and we can all move on?

Posted by: aviscardo | December 1, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

HGR is right... alot of this is argument for the sake of argument and folks wouldnt do it if they didn't enjoy it.

Posted by: JoeMama11 | December 1, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Russ...re-run your analysis to include all students..after all grad students can still play ball...then you will see that my numbers hold up.....but again, why cant you debate the merits of the statement rather than try to nitpick...namely that big schools generally have better football programs than really small ones? agree or disagree?

of course I used 20k as an example and you found Boise State who was 7 student below that as a gotcha?????

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 1, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

JoeMama11. It would be really funny if it was your original idea. But you stole it. I don't mind but it would be nice for people to see the original that led to your post. You could at least give epdaly the credit.

Here is the original for all to see:

A Day in the Life of Worsto:
1)Wake up
2)Take off Maryland footie pj's and put on UMD warmup suit and hat with the Maryland state flage as a cape.
3)Paint face
4)Go to Terrapin Insider
5)Angrily cut-and-paste
6)Angrily cut-and-paste
7)Fantasize about a naked Ralph feeding him grapes
8)Angrily cut-and-paste
9)Angrily cut-and-paste
10)Talk himself into the fact that ACC football is elite football
11)Angrily cut-and-paste
12)Put footie pj's back on
13)Angrily cut-and-paste
14)Fantasize about a naked Ralph putting him in a Boston Crab.
15)Sleep
Posted by: epdaly | November 30, 2010 7:00 PM

Posted by: petecard | December 1, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

HughG, Another insightful post. And, yes, there is a BB game tonight. Very few comments on Liz's preview. It's basketball season people!

Posted by: petecard | December 1, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Avis...I wanted Fridge fired, I admit it and I wouldnt have regretted it if it happened...this season hasnt done anything for him in my eyes...I couldnt care less about the COY...I dont even know who votes for COY but if it was the same clueless bozos who picked UMD to finish last in the conference then I find it HILARIOUS that those same people are now considered geniuses because they picked Fridge as COY.....1 good season in a row doesnt get it done....I said earlier today that 2011 will redefine him in my opinion....if we slide back to .500 then it will be the same old sputtering fridge....hes got the wind at his back with a decent bowl, COY, veteran QB, experienced players all around..lets see what he can do...most of his famous excuses have already been pre-empted...the only ones he has left are injuries, and empty Byrd seats

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 1, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Pete still refusing to admit he was wrong. Basically, what we have here is the end scene from "Trading Places". Billy Ray Valentine and Loius Winthorpe played by me and Barno. Randolph and Mortimor Duke played by TerpFan and Pete. Instead of betting on frozen concentrated orange juice, we bet on the Fridge. Margin calls, gentlemen.

Posted by: aviscardo | December 1, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

"I dont even know who votes for COY but if it was the same clueless bozos who picked UMD to finish last in the conference then I find it HILARIOUS that those same people are now considered geniuses." -TerpfanMA

Hold on, wait a minute, stop the presses. TerpfanMA just referred to those who picked UMD to finish last in the conference as "clueless bozos." I know there are some self-hating people in this world, but referring to yourself as a 'clueless bozo' is really taking it too far TerpfanMA. Sure, most of us think you are a clueless bozo, but for you to refer to yourself that way is a little harsh don't you think?

Posted by: Barno1 | December 1, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Nice to see some intelligent discussion on the merits from both sides of the RF debate. Not nearly enough of that on this blog.

I don't know about vindication. RF was almost fired for the job HE did - worst record in the history of Maryland football, which dates to 1892!

In my opinion he was not fired because financial barriers made it impossible in 2009, which bought time to regroup and take advantage of a favorable schedule in 2010. Specifically:
1) The economy was in the toilet,depressing revenue.
2) The team wasn't filling Byrd, selling suites, or getting on TV, depressing revenue.
3) Debbie Yow (be careful what you wish for)created an enormous financial disincentive to removing RF early through her (cowardly, back door) HCIW scheme.
4) Danny O'Brien's talents were finally recognized when JR got hurt.
5) The 2010 schedule was favorable for the Terps.
6) Doing nothing in 2009 wasn't a bad option. After all, on average RF did better than any coach since Jerry Claiborne or Bobby Ross.

Posted by: RITerp | December 1, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Hah! MA backed right into that one...

Posted by: JoeMama11 | December 1, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Not really...didnt vote for either one

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 1, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

A few thoughts:

Everyone from Barno to Pete agrees that the coach-in-waiting is a very bad concept. It's like Debbie Yow left, but gave MD a collective STD...she gone, but we're stuck with this horrible thing that she left us with.

Most will agree, maybe even Terp"hater", that MD athletics seems to be in better hands under Anderson than Yow.

Yes, I wanted Fridge gone last year, but not at the price tag of 4 million dollars. And he has certainly earned the right to coach the team next year.

Fridge still has not shown an ability to recruit, coach and develop an O-line. Danny O'Brien should get 1/3 of his contract for saving his job. DOB is unbelievably good. Think how bad Wake Forest was before Riley Skinner showed up and how bad they are now that he is gone.

I predicted MD would go 5-7 or 6-6. 8-4 is damn good. I liked the Don Brown hire. This year's run defense is crazy-good. Without Don Brown and DOB, this team is mediocre. Does Fridge get all the credit for bringing in Don Brown and DOB? Maybe. MD will be good the next 2-3 years with Fridge as coach as long as these two stick with the program.

The more interesting question is:
Will GW and Fridge be more successful now that they have more support from their athletic director? I suspect the answer is YES.

Posted by: larry31 | December 1, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Being and alum that was in school(5 yr. plan) during Bobby Ross' last season (pre-season #1 and Cherry Bowl finish), and supporting the Terps during their most trying times with the Bias tragedy, Lefty, Bob Wade, and Gary coming in my final year (I'm try to forget Krivak),all I can do just sit back, smile and enjoy a year like we've just had.
...and I've had the Family 4-pack since it's inception for only $125 per season!(those were the days)..so I've witnessed the losing seasons of Krivak, duffner, and Vandy.

Hgr- I tend to agree with most of your comments, but quoting "The Warriors" and calling it the best film depicting NYC is hilarious!

Posted by: mydogsnameisdixon | December 1, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

bizarro poopy?

Posted by: JoeMama11 | December 1, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

aww c'mon mydog -

The movie came out when I was 12 or so, was much cooler than Star Wars, and was the one of the first rented (and re-rented)on the Betamax. Was it Swan, Snow, Cochise, Cowboy, Ajax...uh I can't remember the rest. And I remember being scared s-less of NYC because of it. I wonder if Petecard has a fondness for the Baseball Furies. Is there anyone who got drunk in the late 70s or early 80s with bud-ponies who didn't repeat that line?

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | December 1, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

joe - mydog vs. dixonthedog.

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | December 1, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, unfortunately Poopy made a similar screen name to mine after Barno mentioned that he also had a dog named Dixon.

Hgr- I'm just joking...that movie is a classic! If only there were gangs like that in today's world.

Posted by: mydogsnameisdixon | December 1, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Russ, My previous point stands on its merits....you would have to look pretty hard and would be hard pressed to come up with more than a token example of a school with an enrollment of <5,000 students who would be favored in a football game with a 30,000 University....every once in a while? yeah, but not the norm

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 1, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

United States Naval Academy---4,400
United States Military Academy--4,487

Those two combined have more National Championships than the whole 12-team ACC.

United States Air Force Academy--4,417

Wake Forest--4,412

Those are the only other FBS team under 5,000, all of them pretty successful at football.

Duke--6,400 (17 conference championships)
BC--9,081 (1 Heisman winner)
GaTech--13,750 (4 National Championships)

3 other "lower enrollment" institutions that are pretty successful in football.

ENROLLMENT DOESN'T MATTER

UCF (9-3 in CUSA) and USF (7-4 in Big East), two of the highest enrollment FBS teams have had about the same success as the lowest enrollment institutions, Navy (8-3 independent) and Air Force (8-4 in Mountain West).

Posted by: Russtinator | December 1, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Larry, good to hear from you. If "MD athletics seems to be in better hands under Anderson than Yow," that may only be because Yow is gone. What I mean is that it is way too early to evaluate Anderson. He hasn't had many big decisions to make and keeping Ralph for next year was a no-brainer. I'm not saying he won't be good, but I will judge him by both FB and BB improving and by revenue growth. His history is as an expense control guy.

Posted by: petecard | December 1, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Kenny Tate??? Is he the one that Fridge was RAVING about this summer? Is this the same Kenny Tate that played on one of the worst defenses in all of college football? I think I heard (not saw because UMD is not on TV anymore) about him getting smoked for a couple of TDs during one of the games....

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 1, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Ahhh, yes that terrible Kenny Tate guy. Is he the one who is considering going pro early after just earning First Team All ACC?

All i know is this: TerpfanMA sure does know his stuff!

Posted by: Barno1 | December 1, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Danny Obrien’s breakout game was against Morgan State.....um since then, he managed to lead the offense to what 14 points against Duke! and had 3 interceptions and 1 TD against Clemson!

Posted by: TerpfanMA | October 20, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Ahhh, yes that terrible Danny O'Brien. Is he the one who was just named ACC Rookie of the Year?

All i know is this: TerpfanMA sure does know his stuff!

Posted by: Barno1 | December 1, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

The nod has to go to one of the schools playing for the ACC championship.....Ralph? Get serious...just cuz you really sucked last year and finished in 4th place this year doesnt make u COY....get serious!

Posted by: TerpfanMA | November 29, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Ahhh, that terrible Ralph Friedgen. Is this the same guy who was just named ACC Coach of the Year? But wait, I thought you couldn't be named COY if you finished 4th place and really sucked last year?

All i know is this: TerpfanMA sure does know his stuff.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 1, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Pete,

Anderson has already raised the payroll of MD's Men's B-ball staff from the lowest in the league to upper half. Actions, viewed in their correct context, always speak louder than words. Early indications are that Anderson, unerstands that football and men's b-ball are the sole revehue generators for all athletics. The more successful that these programs are, the more revenue will be available to all teams.

By contrast, Yow handed an inordinate amount of money and support to Women's B-ball in the hopes of turning it into a revenue sport like at Tenessee. Under Yow's tenure the assistant coaching staffs for footbal and men's b-ball were some of the lowest in the league.

Posted by: larry31 | December 1, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Barno,

Those are great cut-n-pastes from Terp"hater".

Feel free to cut-n-paste my dire predictions for this year...I can take it.

My only excuse is this:

I think the playing field has changed under Kevin Anderson. Having a boss that you like makes a huge difference in performance.

Posted by: larry31 | December 1, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Good points Larry. I agree with all your comments. It doesn't change my thought that it is still too early to judge but I will accept that it "seems" to be in better hands.

Posted by: petecard | December 1, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Just reading above, here is where I think "Worsto" is in his daily routine....

11)Angrily cut-and-paste
12)Put footie pj's back on

Posted by: petecard | December 1, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I feel at this point fridge has earned at least one more year...No extension talks yet...He now has the best qb in the acc..Remember amatta won with philip rivers for 4 years but did little after that...i still do not want franklin as hc..i think that would be a big mistake...if fridge can go can go 11-3 or 12-2 then he cam keep his job

Wins must come from towson,temple,bc,wake, gt,va...then signature wins vs west va,miami,fsu,state clemson and Notre dame..

fsu, clemson west va and nd are the toss up games...

it should be a fun yr..

Posted by: carolina1 | December 1, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

I generally have some of the same sentiments about Ralph and Franklin as shared by terpfanMA, petecard and others. In my book, he's run the program in a way that relies on breaks, when they happen we can get 8 or 9 wins like in 2006 and this year, when they don't we are a 5-6 team program and when the wheels fall off, we lose almost all games. We're not a 10 win or 10 loss program, but we need to be more solid as a program.

With all of that said, i don't know how you can be a fan when your hatred for the coach prevents you from a-enjoying the success, b-recognizing improvements, c-displaying some form of self control and refraining from the loathing. It's as if these miserable F-s are not happy unless others share in their miserable unealistic expecations. It takes a person who hates himself to have this mentality.

I get some of their points, but some points such as those displayed by terpfanMa are so far out of touchd with reality. Some of them want us to be Auburn and hate it that we're not. Building football programs is a process, sustaining it requires a capital commitment that the school has not generally provided. As a program, we lost a generation of fans from 86-2000, you simply don't build a power off of that. After Ralph got his raise, Yow cracked down on his staff expenses and budget. that is why Ralph was the OC and why we had Cosh. That's partly why we lost Blakeney and Taffee. does this relieve RF from his responsibility? Of course not, we've screwed up recruiting and changed up recruiting coordinators too often. But these are all factors and when you don't understand how college football works, you end up with non-sensical points and expectations. Can MD be a power, maybe, maybe not, but it requires a lot and a lot of luck. We've seen Uva, State, UNC and even Clemson each have down periods this decade. so to say we should do this against this school because we're this size is stupid. There are a lot of large state institutions that cannot maintain football porgrams at high levels for long. I don't know how you cannot be excited about next year, at least enough to temper your misery. my guess is that they don't know the personnel well enough to be excited about the program and the prospects for next year. my thinking is that the talent and experienced built through emergency fill-ins and blown redshirts will overcome the coaching shortcomings.

Next year will be tougher, but we'll be better as a program with more experience and the luxury of having an extra month's worth of work.

Posted by: minhle1 | December 1, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

of course I used 20k as an example and you found Boise State who was 7 student below that as a gotcha?????

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 1, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Because there aren't that many schools in FBS that have enrollments under 20k. Less than 15% of the schools in FBS are under 10k, and only a handful that are under 15k. FIU has 32,967 undergrads, and even Terp beaters MTSU has 22,299. Most schools in FBS hover around 20-30k (which includes Maryland), and NO I'm not going to include graduate students in enrollment, because the NCAA doesn't calculate divisional status on that. You have a few of the really big state schools like UCLA, Oregon, ASU, Ohio State, Texas, Wisconsin, Penn State, etc...that are above 30k. The bottom line, "small" schools and "big" schools have pretty much the same opportunity, and it has NOTHING to do with their enrollment.

Posted by: Russtinator | December 1, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I, for one, would like to congratulate Fridge, his staff, and the players on a great year. Everyone's got their opinions on where they think Maryland Football should be and who should be leading them, but I'm proud to support a team and staff that does things the right way. We're not being investigated for allegedly paying fathers to get their child to commit to Maryland; the players' names aren't in the Police section of the Post; and Maryland Football isn't mentioned with other big-time schools for possible penalties or sanctions.
Coach Friedgen bleeds Maryland football, and I wouldn't want anyone else leading those players in the game of football or life. The University of Maryland (according to this paper) spends LESS money on football than any other school in the ACC, and yet year in and year out, the Terps are right there in the mix. There are no answers for last year...it's over. Regardless of this year's schedule, the staff and players restructured their priorities and made this a very successful season, with one more game remaining to exceed everyone's expectations for 2010.
I grew up in Maryland, attended two colleges there, and although I didn't graduate from College Park, the Terps have had a lasting effect on me. I live in South Carolina now, but still wear my "Fear the Turtle" shirts with pride. We live in a society where loyalty has become second-fiddle to selfishness. Let's be proud of this football team and its staff; and let's be even more proud that we have a coach who remains LOYAL to his university and wants to be the head coach here for a long time.
Go Terps!

Posted by: ChrisinSC | December 1, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Pete,

Absolutely agree that it is too early to judge.

But, the early indicators are promising.

Posted by: larry31 | December 1, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

ChrisinSC,
Well said.

Posted by: aviscardo | December 1, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Hey, iceholes, we got hoops tonight in a big game. Focus.

Is PSU a tough place to play? I know those nerds in white tshirts get loud for football but I cant think of much with their bball team. I am SO happy the game will be on down here, not to mention all these moron UNC dudes dealing with 3 losses already. I know I shouldnt take credit in a loss, but Terps looked way better than Heels against Illinois. All I say down here is Roy may be the better recruiter, but no doubt that Gary is the better coach.

Posted by: jpfterps | December 1, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Nice post, Minhle.

Posted by: larry31 | December 1, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Cmon russ... a lot has changed in the last 60 years....I am surprised you didnt go back to the 1800s when Yale dominated college football.....I suspect most will agree that the landscape is completely different now than pre WW2 in terms of competition and the sizes of the universities and focus on their football programs....I guess for the nitpicker I need to be more specific, so lets keep the discussion relevant to the last generation or so

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 1, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

The worst teams in FBS and their enrollment...

Akron (1-11)--24,601
New Mexico (1-11)--34,674
San Jose State (1-11)--24,273

The best teams in FBS and their enrollment...

Oregon (11-0)--16,475
Auburn (12-0)--20,221
TCU (12-0)--8,696

Looking at just the top three and bottom three, I'd probably say that the lower the enrollment, the better the football team, since the worst three teams in FBS all have more undergrads than the best three.

Posted by: Russtinator | December 1, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

jpfterps, please give 'em hell in NC for losing those games in the big ten challenge. Gary has always excelled in this game. I don't know if this statistic is accurate because I recall losing to Indiana in 03, but Gary said we won "around 10 straight against them prior to last year". He may have simply been referring to the ACC in general winning the match up.

Tonight is a big game...

Posted by: Barno1 | December 1, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

well, you may believe that Russ, but the record says otherwise....you have to go back over 40 years and you will find 1 example of a small school competing (winner or runner up) for the nat title and that was BYU in 1984

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 1, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Very nice post ChrisinSC. Everyone should be happy with the team's performance this year. I don't hold Ralph in as lofty a place as you do but he has every right to be proud of the team's performance this year. At the same time, there is nothing wrong with wanting to be a top program or a program that is generally in the top 25 every year and consistently competes for conference championships. Programs and coaches do get into problems chasing the ring, but there are plenty of schools that don't. It's okay if you don't care that much. It's also okay if some of us do. I care most about basketball and I always will.

Posted by: petecard | December 1, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Cmon russ... a lot has changed in the last 60 years....I am surprised you didnt go back to the 1800s when Yale dominated college football.....I suspect most will agree that the landscape is completely different now than pre WW2 in terms of competition and the sizes of the universities and focus on their football programs....I guess for the nitpicker I need to be more specific, so lets keep the discussion relevant to the last generation or so

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 1, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Okay, when have the top 10 enrollment institutions last won a National Championship...

ASU--58,317 NEVER
UCF--56,235 NEVER
Ohio State--56,064 2002 and then not since 1970
Minnesote--51,721 1960
Texas--51,195 2005 and then not since 1970
Florida--49,129 2008, 2006, 1996 (the only true success story on this list)
USF--47,576 NONE
Michigan State--47,131 1966 (most recent)
Penn State--44,832 1994, 1981, and then not since 1969

In the BCS era...

1998--Tennessee--21,006
1999--Florida State--31,698
2000--Oklahoma--20,841
2001--University of Miami--9,855!!!!
2002--Ohio State--56,064
2003--LSU--21,103
2004--USC--16,751 (hmmm)
2005--Texas--51,195
2006--Florida--49,129
2007--LSU--21,103
2008--Florida--49,129
2009--Alabama--24,884


How do you explain Miami or USC TerpfanMA (aside from cheating)? The other BCS champions have all been "big" state schools, but those two kinda buck your assumption, and Miami and USC won titles before the BCS era, but still in this generation (theoretically without cheating).

Posted by: Russtinator | December 1, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

well, you may believe that Russ, but the record says otherwise....you have to go back over 40 years and you will find 1 example of a small school competing (winner or runner up) for the nat title and that was BYU in 1984

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 1, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Miami--It's even a private school (5 titles since 1983).

Please stop TerpfanMA, because all of your statements are based on PERCEPTION, not fact. You think that schools are big because they seem big or have big stadiums, or you think schools are small because they play in small conferences or have small stadiums. If you look at the history of college football, there is very little correlation to success in college football and a school's enrollment. There are schools with enrollments over 30k that have never even sniffed a BCS bowl, yet there have been many under 20k (a few under 10k) that have competed for national titles in the past 50 years.

Posted by: Russtinator | December 1, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

doesnt look like any of those schools fall into the "small school" category I defined as < 5,000

remember, this is what I said "my point was that a large school like UMD (with +30,000) should generally have a more competitive football program than small schools with enrollments in the 3-5,000 student range..."

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 1, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

there is nothing wrong with higher expectations, had MD adopted this as a school when we had Bobby Ross, we would have kept up with the "arms race" in terms of program building in the 90's instead of being stuck in mediocrity for 15 years. With that said, the perception of one's sensibility starts to be called into question when as a fan you have a "throw out the baby with the bathwater" mentality. there are several quotes by folks that have nothing to do with Ralph or his performance, but rather how if we don't make it to a BCS, or we don't win a title, or if we don't do this, it's not worthy of our attention or praise, and that is ridiculous. TerpfanMa has taken the opportunity on ever blog to diminish what the team and players have accomplished, at every turn and in doing so comes across as a complete non-sensical, uninformed boob. There are several posters who don't even question his perspective, but rather what little he actually knows about football. He's debating russ about why every large school should be awesome at football! does he know that Wake forest, a school of 3500 students, was very good in football for about 6-7 straight years? Or that a gigantic school like Indiana has been terrible in football forever? It's non-sense like this, when we should be supporting and rooting for our team, that kills me about some of the posters. these are people who don't give to the school, never attend games, don't give to scholarships, and sit back behind a computer and demand excellence or nothing at all. These are people who deserve to be dropped from tall buildings.

Posted by: minhle1 | December 1, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

It's been a long time since I've seen a live Maryland game but I've always loved them. One thing many of you posters here do not fully grasp is that Maryland football has always been mediocre and in the shadows. There should be no reason that MD should not have the talent of a Penn State or any mid-western state. They should be a perennial ACC power. If you want to lay blame, lay it on a passive alumni and an administration uncommitted to winning. NC is a pure basketball school yet shows more respect to it's football program than does Maryland. Friedgen and his staff have done wonders considering all the obstacles. I'm surprised anyone would want to coach there. I guess he really loves the place.

Posted by: Artismo | December 1, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

I love how Petecard justifies his relentless calls for Gary Williams and Friedgen to be booted from the university. He just wants more than the rest of us! Lol.

Petecard, you don't really want more than the rest of us. We all want 10 win seasons in football and BCS bowl games. We all want regular trips to the Sweet 16 in bball and final four appearances and national championships. No Terp fan is content with NIT appearances and 5 or 6 win football seasons. No one is content with a 6 win team that loses in the Emerald Bowl.

The difference is, almost all of us feel indebted to Gary Williams for what he has done for the bball program. Most of us understand the context of where the program was when he took over and what he has done to change that. Most of us feel that calling for his head when the team is down and then jumping back on the bangwagon when the team is up--which is exactly what you have always done--is unfair and ridiculous.

The same goes for Friedgen. Almost all of us are grateful for what Friedgen has done for the football program he inherited in 2001, and almost all of us understand the context of the program he took over--3 bowl eligible teams in 15 years by today's standards--and made us a regular contender in the ACC. Yes a regular contender: in 6 out of 10 years we have been in the ACC race all the way until the end of the season. Most of us don't say "I'm a big supporter of Ralph Friedgen" only to say "fire the fat slob" a few weeks later, as you did.

The difference is this: we all want the same things from our programs, but most of us do not call for our head coaches to be fired after every loss and then claim to be supporters after every win.

Do you really not understand this? Or are you just pretending not to understand this just to save face?

Posted by: Barno1 | December 1, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

there is a group of approximately 15 programs that can regularly contend for a title, regardless of enrollment. a school like Oregon has moved into this group not because of its enrollment (less than 17K), but rather from the $$$ and support they get from Knight and Nike. Clemson has a smaller enrollment than many non-football schools, but because of their culture and their IPTAY program, they are able to build and maintain support for their football. Large schools such as UNC, Indiana, Kentucky, etc... dedicate more to basketball than football.

these are things TerpfanMa has no clue of or is too stupid to understand and it's frustrating having to bear witness to his uninformed nonsense regulary on these blogs.

Posted by: minhle1 | December 1, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Like John Wooden said, the best coach in the world cannot win without talent. Ralph is largely milking blood from a turnip every year. If the administration really wants to win they need to give talented kids a reason to come there. Otherwise enjoy what positive results come and revel in the special wins when they come. It is just a game right?

Posted by: Artismo | December 1, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Where recruiting mostly went awry was offensive and defensive linemen during the 05-08 recruiting periods. Before Gaither and Heyer, we routinely has all-acc linemen.

We also didn't have QBs pan out. Otherwise we have gotten talent 9abeit not as much as we needed).

all talent aside, when Ralph went to playing not to lose (all it the Joel Statham effect), the program went downhill. I don't think he realized that this premeated through the program and players.

Posted by: minhle1 | December 1, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Same script tonight, different team. J-Dub with a dub-dub, CT with some wicked scoring, passing and defense, play 11 deep with EL seeing playing time as we blow out PSU.

Wasn't there a walk-on from HoCo on the team last year? The guy with the rescindable scholarship? Is he still on the BB team (because they don't have him listed on the roster)?

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | December 1, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Oh come on minnie...first of all, the debate with russ is just about the relative advantages of big vs small when it comes to football programs so I cant even understand what you are talking about...secondly, it sounds to me that UMD does want excellence on the football field..at least thats what the ADs say...perhaps its different behind the scenes but my guess is that if all they wanted was average,they wouldnt be paying fridge $2M per year and wouldnt have promised $1M to JF to stay...that being said, I think UMD knows the value of winning in terms of revenue and thats what they expect of Fridge....and please, lets not get off ranting about expecting Championships etc...I'd like our program to be Top 25 caliber...Fridge himself said that he could do it....I have the same wishes for basketball...I dont expect it every year...you havent once ever heard me complain about Gary even though he had some down years. Also, let me state for the record (start copying Barny!)...I am very happy with 8-4 and I will be going to the Bowl game AND a Basketball game this winter (in CP) so I continue to support the programs ...that being said, my objections to Fridge are well documented and preceed the 2009 season....also as I said earlier I will reevaluate my feelings toward fridge during the 2011 season to see if 2010 was another blip or the beginning of a sustained trend (usually, but not always his winning seasons are followed by not so good ones).....thats all...no hate, no animosity .....

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 1, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Barno,

The dude doesn't understand what is to be a "fan".

I totatlly agree with you about being indebted to GW and RF for what they did for each program. Most "fans" would agree however, there are those knuckleheads that don't get it.

Posted by: Section505203 | December 1, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

As russ pointed out, the relative advantages of a bigger enrollment for supporting a football program is only in perception...pretty sure my examples were designed to support that point.

I appreciate that this was one of your few realistic posts and no one is claiming MD is not trying. but the reality is that we are State, Uva, UNC, GT, etc... We are an ACC football program that can be good in some years and be down in others. We don't have the infrastructure or support to be Ohio St. or Florida. What is objectionable is that you have been debiting the team's accomplishments in almost every post-you think fans of other ACC schools support their team in similar fashion? You think State is reviewing which of their wins means less? you think FSU is thinking, how the hell did we lose 3 games this year? All we're saying is keep it all in perspective-you're 99% negative in your posts, even on blogs that are generally positive. You think other fans don't find that offensive?

Posted by: minhle1 | December 1, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

doesnt look like any of those schools fall into the "small school" category I defined as < 5,000

remember, this is what I said "my point was that a large school like UMD (with +30,000) should generally have a more competitive football program than small schools with enrollments in the 3-5,000 student range..."

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 1, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

There are only 4 FBS schools that fall into your category as a "small" school, and two of them have National Championships to their credit (Army and Navy), one (Wake) has two conference championships to their credit and a BCS appearance, and the other (Air Force) has 3 conference titles to their credit, 1985, 1995, and 1998. Three of the four "small" schools are going to bowl games this year.

Vanderbilt (competing in the SEC) has an enrollment just outside your "small" school requirement at 6,796, and has 13 conference titles to its credit (none in the SEC--i.e. prior to 1934). They are really the only example of a "small" school that hasn't seen football success.

BTW, BYU is NOT a "small" school with an enrollment of 32,955 (bigger than Maryland's enrollment of 26,542).

Posted by: Russtinator | December 1, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

HughG, you didn't mention SM. We need to get him going. He is so important. Will be interesting to see how TS and PH do in a hostile environment. Hopefully the Garden helped a little but this will be more intense.

Posted by: petecard | December 1, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Fridgen should have NEVER been considered for firing in the first place. Fans should remember that every team goes through, or will go through a losing season once in a while. 2009-10 was Maryland's turn. Heck, even the Yankees didn't even get to the World Series for a few years.

Posted by: memyselfI1 | December 1, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Russ...again Dude...seriously...my post stated that a large school shoulde "GENERALLY" have a more competitive program.....are there contrary examples out there...YES OF COURSE, due to many factors such as coaching, players, schedule, how the ball bounces etc...but look, you had to go back to WW2 to find examples of Championships won by a small (< 5000 student) school...or you had to change my definition to include schools in the 10-15,000 range like USC and Miami.....When the numbers get bigger, the differences become less significant.....to the poster minnie ranting about UNC, I was at UMD when UNC had a VERY GOOD football program..

The advantages of a large school who wants to build a competitive football program are really undeniable...(alumni support, fan support, facilities, recruiting, student support etc etc etc)

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 1, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

There are very few schools that are consistently at the top in both football and basketball. I think that Florida, Ohio State, Texas, Wisconsin and Oklahoma are probably the prime examples. Interesting that Florida, Texas and Michigan are all having down football years. But these schools are really committed to both sports. Other schools that are always among the top in one of those sports just can't seem or don't care to be as successful in the other sport. Maryland used to be like this, among the top in BB and not so good in FB. Maryland would seem to have the resources to be among the top in both. UNC, Oregon, LSU, Michigan State, Oklahoma State and a few others could be headed in that direction.

Posted by: petecard | December 1, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

It must have been some sweet revenge for Fridge to knock Yow's North Carolina State team out of the ACC Championship game last week. He's too classy to talk about it. But, you just know he was enjoying that.

Posted by: PS7900 | December 1, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

With all the cut and pasting going on anymore, our pre-school teachers would be so proud... PASS THE ELMER'S !!!!! Don't even get me started with those scissors !!

Posted by: frostanna | December 1, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

I should start with stating that I EXPECT the Terps to win handily, if not easily, tonight.

More than SM, I am really excited to see whether DG can continue his recently improved play. Another big that can put up points will be huge this season. I actually like that he has been consistently looking for his midrange shot early and has recently been hitting them.

The second thing I'd like to see is continued productivity from JP. We need JP to step up when JW is in foul trouble. He seemed to get the most floor time of the reserves when JW sat in the last couple of games and they were running some plays for him at the 5. It seems his finishing has shown signs of improvement.

A few quality minutes with at least one block from BW is to be expected.

With me its always about the bigs and the PGs. With the array of weapons we have at 2/3 - CT, SM, HP, MP, as well as AB-PH-TS - I'm less concerned with SM working through his consistency issues. He'll get there, he works hard enough and has a great attitude. No Excree-Hipp-itis for SM.

But I NEED to see sustained consistency from the rest of the bigs beyond JW. We can't be entirely dependent of the guy as good as he is. The lesson I always remember is Tahj Holden vs. Kansas in the FF. No way we win that game without him stepping up big.

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | December 1, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Dave Pearman. What happened to Dave Pearman? Why is he no longer on the team?

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | December 1, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

The one thing we can all agree on is that there are a lot of people talking Terps here instead of working.

Posted by: garrett4 | December 1, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Obviously all Terp fans are thrilled with the turnaround and I agree that Fridge did a great job this year. But I think vindication is the wrong word.

This does not mean he didn't deserve the criticism last year. It can't be erased. It happened. He planned, recruited, built, and coached that 2-10 team. In college, unlike the NFL, there is no GM to blame for poor drafting. The coach is responsible for every part of the team, including being young and inexperienced due to poor planning and recruiting.

Should he win COY for doing a lousy job last year and a great job this year? Or should a coach like Beamer win for doing a great job every year?

I agree he earned another year to show sustained momentum. But he's made plenty of mistakes over the past several. On balance, I'd say he's been a good coach for UMD, with more good decisions than bad. But I want a great coach. Let's hope he can make that step.

Posted by: srcog | December 1, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Lets hope the mens BB team plays better against Temple. Ugly game. MD played like crap but PSU is absolutely inept. The last 12 minutes MD played very well as they pulled away and stretched the lead.

I got what I wanted - DG & JP were more than solid contributors. Did not get what I expected and that was scoring from CT. The pressure breaks thin teams and PSU, despite holding MD scoreless (actually, MD held MD scoreless) for 5 minutes to start the game ONLY MANAGED 7 points themselves. The starting 5+ JP were on the floor when the Terps pulled away in the second half.

This year's team is easy to like, even after such a flawed and sloppy performance. I think GW, who stated a strong start as a key to the game, will work the team over about this game. And he's glad to have excuses to.

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | December 1, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Couple of final thoughts on this thread:

1) If you have ever uttered the phrase "Fridge won with Vanderlinden's players" you might as well just come out and say this: I don't follow the Terps but heard someone say this line and thought I'd pawn it as my own belief.

The fact is Fridge won in 2001, 2002, 2003 with these guys...NONE of whom were signed by Vanderlinden and nearly all made it to the NFL:

Scott McBrien
Josh Allen
Dominique Foxworth
Shawn Merriman
D'Qwell Jackson
Randy Starks
Adam Podlesh
Vernon Davis
Stephen Heyer
Andrew Crummey
Joe Condo
David Holloway
Rich Parson
Josh Wilson
Conrad Bolston
Madieu Williams
Derrick Miller
Wesley Jefferson
Dre Moore

Even Shaun Hill wasn't really 'recruited' by Vanderlinden. So please stop using this idiotic line about Fridge winning with other people's players.

2) "Should he win COY for doing a lousy job last year and a great job this year? Or should a coach like Beamer win for doing a great job every year?"

A major factor in the COY award is expectations vs results. Vtech was predicted to be great this year, had the most humiliating loss for any ACC football team in more than a decade, and then went on to win their division. MD was predicted to finish last and ended up 1 last second 55 yd made fg away from being tied for first. So clearly the award should have gone to Fridge and not Beamer, and the ACC voters didn't even think it was that close as Beamer finished a distant second to Fridge.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 2, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Russ...again Dude...seriously...my post stated that a large school shoulde "GENERALLY" have a more competitive program.....are there contrary examples out there...YES OF COURSE, due to many factors such as coaching, players, schedule, how the ball bounces etc...but look, you had to go back to WW2 to find examples of Championships won by a small (< 5000 student) school...or you had to change my definition to include schools in the 10-15,000 range like USC and Miami.....When the numbers get bigger, the differences become less significant.....to the poster minnie ranting about UNC, I was at UMD when UNC had a VERY GOOD football program..

The advantages of a large school who wants to build a competitive football program are really undeniable...(alumni support, fan support, facilities, recruiting, student support etc etc etc)

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 1, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Dude...As I tried to explain, your definition of "small" (<5,000 students) is completely warped since only 4 schools in the entire FBS (Wake, Amry, Navy, and Air Force) fall into that category. Your distorted idea of a small school, BYU, has enrollment of 32,955, more than the University of Maryland at College Park. You need to reconsider what you consider a "small" school, because your arguement doesn't have the legs to stand on the way in which you are stating it. Just admit that you just have no idea what you're talking about!

Most FBS schools have enrollments between 20k and 30k (including Maryland). Some have more (Ohio State, Texas, UCF, ASU, etc..) and some have fewer (GaTech, BC, Wake, Oregon, TCU, etc...), but for the most part, there is little correllation between a school's enrollment and success on the football field, and you have yet to provide a detailed, fact-based argement to prove otherwise.

Posted by: Russtinator | December 2, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

"to the poster minnie ranting about UNC, I was at UMD when UNC had a VERY GOOD football program.."

When was that? UNC hasn't won a conference title in football since 1980. Sure, they've sent kids to the pros, just like the Terps, but since 2000, the Tar Heels have been to 5 bowl games, while the Terps have been to 6. UNC had 3 10-win seasons ('93. '96, and '97) under Mack Brown (same as under Fridge), but that was even longer ago than the Terps' run of 10-win seasons.

Posted by: Russtinator | December 2, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Russ, you are making sound, fact-based, logical arguments. Because of TerpfanMA's unabashed hatred of Ralph Friedgen, he refuses to listen to reason and logic. It's like arguing with a brick wall.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 2, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Russ...again you are warping my point..I am saying (Again) that a large U of say 20,000+ students will generally field a more competitive football program than a small < 5,000 student college due to their advantages in resources, facilities, recruiting etc...

Put it this way, when a large U sees a small private college on their football schedule, it generally sees a win..(not always, but generally)


Its like I am trying to say that it is generally warmer in the south than in the north and you come back with : No way...on December 15 2007 it was 65 in DC and only 37 in Atlanta


Get a grip on yourself....the only data you have to support your flawed logic predates WW2

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 2, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Russ...again you are warping my point..I am saying (Again) that a large U of say 20,000+ students will generally field a more competitive football program than a small < 5,000 student college due to their advantages in resources, facilities, recruiting etc...

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 2, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Please enlighten me as to what schools outside the 4 that I have already mentioned (Army, Air Force, Navy, and Wake) that have enrollments under 5,000 students and compete in the FBS. I earlier touched on a couple of the schools with enrollment numbers under 10k, yet you dismiss them like they don't exist. I've also mentioned some of the larger schools with enrollments in the top 10 of the FBS that haven't competed for a National title in their history or at least in the past 50 years (ASU, UCF, Minnesota, USF, etc...), yet you refuse to accept that.

I completely understand your point, despite your inability to clearly articulate it in unbroken English. However, it is not a sound one. What you should be arguing is that Maryland, despite its enrollment (solidly in the 50th percentile of FBS), the school does not provide the resources to its football team that other comperable state universities do.

If you were to make that point, you might be onto something, because I do think that Maryland does not provide the support to its football program that other public institutions provide. Tying your argument to enrollment makes a moot point because most athletic programs, including Maryland's, are mostly, if not completely independant financial entities. It does not matter how many students a school has (undergrad, graduate, part-time, or full-time), the ultimate success of a program comes down to an athletic department's financial committment to success. "Big time" college football programs see continued success because they make more and more money year after year. Ohio State sells over 100k tickets per home game along with a piece of the Big Ten Network and licensing right, donors, boosters, and the like. Do you honestly think the fact that over 50k students go there has anything to do with their success? Same goes for Texas, UGA, UF, OU, Penn State, and so on. It's not the size of the university's enrollment (it does increase the alumni pool for future boosters and donor though), it's the amount of money the team can generate.

The Terps will never be that kind of school that can draw those kinds of dollars. However, it's pretty cool with Kevin Plank that they can kinda become the Oregon of the east. Byrd can only hold 52k, and even if they spend $100 million on the proposes closed-end upper deck expansion, it would only bring the capacity to @60k. The school has lots of distinguished alumni, but I doubt the athletic department will get the kinds of donations SEC, Bit Ten, and Big 12 schools get aside from what they get from Plank...

Posted by: Russtinator | December 2, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

...I can list dozens of state schools that are in the same boat as Maryland that have had equal or less success over the past 10 years...

Indiana
Illinois
Minnesota
Kentucky
Mississippi
Kansas
Missouri
Colorado
Arizona
Washington
New Mexico
North Carolina
Georgia
South Carolina
West Virginia
Iowa
Arkansas

just to name a few.
You also don't seem to realize who Maryland's competition is. Maryland is in the ACC, not the Big Ten, Big 12, or SEC, and we compete with schools with geographic and institutional similarities. We are not competing with Texas or Ohio State or Oklahoma or Florida. Those are elite football-centric athletic departments that have money to burn, and it has NOTHING to do with the enrollment, it has to do with the amount of money their programs bring in.

So if you really want to complain, get out your checkbook!

Posted by: Russtinator | December 2, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I'm still waiting for TerpfanMA to provide a list of "small" FBS schools that fit his definition (<5,000) outside of the 4 that I've provided. If he finally comes to the realization that there aren't any other schools in FBS that conform to his definition, he can certainly adjust his arguement so it can be debated on fact, not just his warped perception.

Posted by: Russtinator | December 3, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm still waiting for TerpfanMA to provide a list of "small" FBS schools that fit his definition (<5,000) outside of the 4 that I've provided. If he finally comes to the realization that there aren't any other schools in FBS that conform to his definition, he can certainly adjust his arguement so it can be debated on fact, not just his warped perception.

Posted by: Russtinator | December 3, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

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