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Posted at 9:53 AM ET, 12/14/2010

James Franklin expected to become Vanderbilt head football coach

By Eric Prisbell

James Franklin, Maryland’s offensive coordinator and head coach-in-waiting, is expected to become the next head football coach at Vanderbilt, according to two sources close to Franklin with knowledge of the negotiations.

Contract details are being negotiated today, and barring an unforeseen road block, Franklin could be announced as Vanderbilt’s head coach today or tomorrow. Vanderbilt officials reached out to Franklin and individuals close to Franklin beginning Monday night, hours after Vanderbilt's top choice, Auburn offensive coordinator Gus Malzahn, withdrew from negotiations.

Franklin has had two in-person interviews with Vanderbilt officials and emerged as a finalist last week.

It remains to be seen whether Kevin Anderson, Maryland's first-year athletic director, will make a last-ditch effort to entice Franklin to stay. Auburn reportedly more than doubled Malzahn's salary, making him the highest-paid assistant in the Southeastern Conference. A request to speak to Anderson was made Tuesday morning.

If Franklin remains at Maryland, he is owed $1 million if he is not named the Terrapins' head coach by January 2012.

More details as they come throughout today ...


By Eric Prisbell  | December 14, 2010; 9:53 AM ET
Categories:  Football, Ralph Friedgen  
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Assuming you're right this time (big assumption), I would say this is good news for all - Vandy, Franklin and MD. Vandy cuz he will do fine at about 1/3 to 1/2 the cost of Malzahn. Franklin cuz he will have his own program. MD cuz it resolves that whole coach in waiting nonsense.

Hoping now we can focus on who the new OC will be. Taafe did pretty well with UCF. Would he come back to MD, would MD have him? What about Patrick Nix, who has learned from both Bowdens, Jimbo Fisher and Chan Gailey?

Posted by: mcmelton | December 14, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Are you sure this time?

Posted by: matt8 | December 14, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

he lrft on a plane yesterday for nashville..The plane is owned by crakerbarrel who ceo is a vandy alum..that editor of the terrapin times said he was in baltimore..bs he is in nashville as we speak..

see ya fot turd..cannot not wait to sing amen to you as you walk down the aleey of shame!!!

Posted by: carolina1 | December 14, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

With the emergence of OBrien, i think this is bad for the Terps. Though i did not think Franklin would make a good head coach with the Terps, the OBrien kid seems legit and MD football could make some strides in the next 3-years. Fridge needs to get of his fat arse and put in the work to have this team ready. They have the key piece they have missed for a few years.

Posted by: oknow1 | December 14, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Prisbell is a another Woodward and Bernstein! Just keep reporting and eventually you might get the story right. At least this time you hedged your bets inserting the word "expected" Someone alert Pulitzer Committee

Posted by: 9Bird | December 14, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

You people,

If Franklin is a kick ass coach and such a good one, MD can't get another good Recruiter and offensive coordinator with a proven QB who is going to be a sophomore?

Are you kidding who wouldn't want to be a recruiter at MD and Offensive coordinator with a QB like that for 3 years?

Posted by: khornbeak | December 14, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, I agree oknow. This is not good for Maryland. Franklin is our best recruiter, a position that has been sorely lacking since Locksley left. In short, Franklin is the second best thing that has happened to Maryland football in years, the first being Danny O'Brien, who Franklin brought to College Park.

I am very concerned. While I try to support Friedgen as much as possible, he is no recruiter, and the offensive genius label has long since faded. He even turned away Steve Slayton and Owen Schmitt. So his judge of good high school talent is even suspect. College is 75% recruiting.

Is Maryland really satisfied with bowl games like the Military, Humanitarian, Emerald.....bowls I consider to be the brides maid bowls, or less?

Not me. We need Franklin, or someone like him, to get to the next level.

Posted by: steven09 | December 14, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I love the Fridge, esp. in combo with his great recruiter, James Franklin. I also love the idea of Franklin taking over in 2012. You have to consider the future, including Ralph's age and physical well-being. Football programs have to think several years ahead. Just standing pat, minus Franklin, does not do it for me. I would prefer to write Franklin's contract right now to place him as head coach in 2012, assuming the Terps can beat out Vanderbilt for his services.

If the Terps do nothing and let Franklin go, it might be a popular move for the present, given many of the past posts on this subject that we all have seen. However, where does that put the Terps? Mid-pack ACC for years?

Posted by: EdDC | December 14, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Fire the fridge. He became the ultimate joke when he asked why him and his assistants haven't gotten a raise in a couple of years. News to fridge! The team has blown the last few years

Posted by: mkbf26 | December 14, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Prisbell, did you just use find/replace for this post?

At least you got 2 sources this time around. Let's hope that they aren't Franklin and Franklin's agent.

Posted by: Corn_Laden | December 14, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

James Franklin's Reign of Terror is over!!! Today is the greatest day in MD football since the day Ralph Friedgen was hired. Maybe now we will stop calling running plays on 3rd and 13.

One can only hope that the University of Maryland will not again factor race into their decision to hire our next football coach.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 14, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Wow, you guys are really unreasonable in your anti-Prisbell bias. I might not like everything the guy writes, but c'mon. Did you guys ever think that the situation changed a couple of times, not just the reporting of it?

Posted by: acebojangles | December 14, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Who the heck is James Franklin? His offense has been suspect since he arrived. Just last year all of you faithful were calling for his head. I wish him the best, lets bring someone in that can fill the seats!

Posted by: psardis | December 14, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Free at last, free at last, good God almighty we are free from the oppression we suffered under the Yow regime! James Franklin must be the best interviewer in the world. DOB will benefit from working more directly with Fridge…

Posted by: ebitda | December 14, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

If this is correct MD needs to replace Franklin with another top-notch recruiter. The Solazzo solution in regards to recruiting boss did not work the first time and should not even be an option this time around. There is too much at stake here. If you didn't agree with his play calls or strategies he landed some good talent. DOB being one for sure.

Posted by: kaptainterp | December 14, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

If this is correct MD needs to replace Franklin with another top-notch recruiter. The Solazzo solution in regards to recruiting boss did not work the first time and should not even be an option this time around. There is too much at stake here. If you didn't agree with his play calls or strategies he landed some good talent. DOB being one for sure.

Posted by: kaptainterp | December 14, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

If this is correct MD needs to replace Franklin with another top-notch recruiter. The Solazzo solution in regards to recruiting boss did not work the first time and should not even be an option this time around. There is too much at stake here. If you didn't agree with his play calls or strategies, he landed some good talent. DOB being one for sure.

Posted by: kaptainterp | December 14, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

This is both good and bad. First the good: It gets rid of the ridiculous coach-in-waiting situation where we most likely would have ponied up $1M next year. Also, Franklin is a HORRIBLE play-caller. The bad is that he was our best recruiter by far. If I'm the Fridge, I'm on the phone to Taafe right now. I'd also bring back Locksley from NM after he gets fired at the end of this year. Best recruiter there is for the area.

Posted by: aviscardo | December 14, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

"If this is correct MD needs to replace Franklin with another top-notch recruiter. The Solazzo solution in regards to recruiting boss did not work the first time and should not even be an option this time around."

Dude, Sollazzo has been our recruiting coordinator the last 5 years. Franklin hasn't been our recruiting coordinator in almost 7 years. Sure, he recruits and helped land O'Brien. But he's not the man in charge and hasn't been in many years. I'd be surprised if Sollazzo didn't remain our recruiting coordinator.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 14, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

@acebojangles, yes the situation was in flux. that's where a good reporter would qualify their reporting and not announce that Gus Malzahn is accepting the coaching job.

Prisbell botched the story and I think he should be taken to task for it.

Posted by: Corn_Laden | December 14, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Recruiting coordinator vs. recruiter. All of the coaches recruit. Franklin is good at recruiting, and we will need to replace him with strong recruiter. It doesn't matter who holds the title of recruiting coordinator.

Posted by: mcmelton | December 14, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

http://www.coacheshotseat.com/OffensiveCoordinatorsTop100AssistantCoaches.htm

Posted by: steven09 | December 14, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Shawne Merriman for recruiting coorindinator....He's unemployed

Posted by: psardis | December 14, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Here is what Vandy won't have and Maryland doesn't have...

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/umiami/2010/12/video-reaction-from-golden-press-conference.html

Posted by: petecard | December 14, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for that completely irrelevant post Petecard. We can always count on you to focus all your attention on the dark side of things while the rest of us look at the bright side.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 14, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

This seems like good news all around.

Good for Vandy, good for Franklin, good for MD football.

Posted by: Benson | December 14, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Who gives a flying crap about who the recruiting co-ordinator is its who lands the big fish. Saying that Franklin "helped" land DOB is like saying that an iceberg "helped" sink the Titanic.

Posted by: kaptainterp | December 14, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

CBSSportsline takes a shot at the Post reporting so ........

"We'll forgive you if you want to take this Washington Post report concerning the vacant Vanderbilt head coaching position with enough salt to make the Morton girl jealous, what with their last effort -- you know, the one that said the Commodores only had to iron out the details before Gus Malzahn took the job -- not exactly standing as a beacon of journalism." per CBSSports

Well I guess what happened here with the is dont jump the gun unless you want to be called out.

Posted by: GMorg11 | December 14, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Pete..those are good interviews...night and day between that philosophy and the "we got screwed by the bowls" mentality...of course Barny has nothing to add except insults

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 14, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Good news all around, agreed. No one succeeds at Vandy, but having HC of a SEC team on your resume ensures a career in football. I bear no ill will toward Franklin. He seems like a nice guy. He means well. I don't think he can call plays, but he's young. When he bombs out at Vandy, he'll either jump to the pros or to another college team as a coordinator. He'll then parlay that back to another HC position.

As for MD replacing him, I'd love to see Taafe back. The man can call plays. He is a bit old, though. How about trying to get Larry Johnson, Sr to leave PSU? Talk about a guy that can recruit the DC area!

MD might also look at what Oregon did with Chip Kelly. Get a proven 1-AA OC/HC (like Don Brown, too) who runs innovative offenses. Bring him on as OC here. Given Ralph's age, you're looking at the same thing that happened at Oregon. Win-win.

Posted by: WheelsRI | December 14, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Al Golden was a great coach at Temple. But the difference between Temple and a program like what Miami strives to be again is night and day. He has now moved up several levels in competition.

BTW, Temple got screwed out of a bowl game worse than the Terps.

I think Miami is taking a pretty big gamble here.

Posted by: steven09 | December 14, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

This is Anderson's first big decision, and an opportunity to improve Terps football for several years to come. Let's see what he does with it.

James Franklin, thanks and good luck.

Posted by: RITerp | December 14, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

This will hurt our recruiting for at least a year. Very bad for the Terps.

I don't expect this to help our players stay motivated for a bowl game that they are already disappointed for.

Hopefully we keep the same offense.

Posted by: garrett4 | December 14, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

How about what WVU just did. Hired the OC away from Oklahoma State (whom Pitt thought they would get to replace Wannstedt) by agreeing to make him Head Coach in 2012 thus telling Bill Stewart SeeYa!

Posted by: kaptainterp | December 14, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I just hope the Terps can beat Towson in next season's opener.

Posted by: djdavew2002 | December 14, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Everyone can question Franklin's play-calling abilities but his recruiting prowess will be sorely missed here at UMD. I've personally seen him interact with recruits and their families and he definitely has people skills to connect with the current generation of players. I don't think we'll have to worry about too many recruits following him to Vanderbilt because of the high academic standards at that school so good luck Coack Franklin!!!

Posted by: S-Doug | December 14, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

In a perfect world, this is what should happen:

First and foremost: give Ralph a minimum of a 3 year extension, allowing him to at the very least remain here during DOB's entire career.

Second: Do whatever you can to get Taafe back.

Third: Make Sollazzo the face of your recruiting efforts. The guy is already our recruiting coordinator but so many of our fans have mistakenly believed Franklin was our top recruiter.

Forth: Give raises to all the assistants

Posted by: Barno1 | December 14, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Count me as one who is completely shocked by this decision. Franklin is more/less guaranteed to become UMD's next coach - which will be sooner than later given Fridge's age. He's finally got a future NFL QB to lead his offense -- which btw will only make him look better and increase his own value. But he would rather coach the SEC's favorite homecoming team? Really makes no sense at all.

Posted by: tomfoley1 | December 14, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Barny...Thats hysterical!...heres a better one:

1st) Tell Ralph the bar for an extension is 8 wins next year or else he is done

2nd) Get Bill Obrien as OC

3rd) Tell the assistants they get a bonus if we make the ACCCG...being 10-14 over the last 2 years doesnt get a raise..it barely gets you your job back

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 14, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Hold up on the Franklin to Vandy. Rivals is reporting that Franklin is the lead candidate at Pitt (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AgsO1WsHir9ez_Vx6JZ2b2YcvrYF?slug=nfp-20101214_holgorsen_to_west_virginia_will_become_head_coach_in_2012).

Also, if MD decides to hire up from a 1-AA school (a la Chip Kelly), guess which school led the CAA (considered the best 1-AA football conference) in total offense this year and ranked 14th in the nation: UMass.

Think Don Brown is telling Ralph that everything will be alright? Kevin Morris is the HC at UMass and Brian Picucci is the OC. It looks like Morris runs the O. I wonder if we'll hear those names come up.

Posted by: WheelsRI | December 14, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

"Tell Ralph the bar for an extension is 8 wins next year or else he is done"

you really are an idiot dude.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 14, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Lets hope this is true. Then MD can focus on replacing Friedgen without that stupid coach-in-waiting deal hanging over them.

Posted by: POPS1 | December 14, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Prisball - how do you even keep a job at the Post? You are absolutely the worst. You guess most of the time and are usually wrong. You do not provide news or facts, just your off target speculations. Clearly, you have no connections to the Terps, no sources, not a thing. Please Post - get us someone that is credible and can provide Terps fans with the facts. In the meantime I will get my Terrapin news from other sources including The Baltimore Sun.

Posted by: terpfan82 | December 14, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

TerpFanMa wrote,

Get Bill Obrien as OC

Very realistic that the play caller and de facto OC for the best offense in the NFL is going to leave to be the OC at Maryland.

Posted by: Chief2 | December 14, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

WheelsRI, I just emailed with the author of that report. He said he meant Vandy when he said Pitt. Strange, but true.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 14, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Give Obrien the HC job in 2012

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 14, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

The band is not getting back together.

I believe Taafe's son is a QB at CFU.

Hiring another old coach is not going to help our program. We need to do everything possible to not be in the same situation as 2007: Old coach, no perceived successor, weak recruiting.

Posted by: garrett4 | December 14, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

The band is not getting back together.

I believe Taafe's son is a QB at CFU.

Hiring another old coach is not going to help our program. We need to do everything possible to not be in the same situation as 2007: Old coach, no perceived successor, weak recruiting.

Posted by: garrett4 | December 14, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Is there anyone on this site who doesn't seriously wonder whether Barno is really GW, RF or their paid mouth piece? Isn't is just beyond reason that someone could be such a shill? It's gotten to the point where it is so funny there could be a SNL skit about this.

Posted by: petecard | December 14, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Interesting thread.

Say what you want...but James Franklin was the face of MD football on the recruting trail. I have a kid at one of the local football powerhouses (in Maryland). RF showed up occassionally, but Franklin was at every home game at least for a quarter. He was the schmoozer and the personality. Regardless of what you think of him as a tactician, replacing him on the recruting trail will be the key for the immediate future of Maryland football.

Oh and there is a difference between a recruiter and a recruiting coordinator. One guy handles the paperwork and prepares the spreadsheets and the other closes the sale. Franklin was the closer.

Personally, I believe that the next guy they bring in as OC has to be a younger guy to be the successor HC. Otherwise, why would they come here?

Oh and to the guy who inserted race in a thread that has nothing to do with it - grow up.

Posted by: michaeliceman | December 14, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Danny O'Brien via text message..."He hasn't accepted it yet. I don't know who The Post got their sources from, but mine is the coach himself."

Not believing this move to Vandy yet.

Posted by: ccham1 | December 14, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Michaeliceman...That was a great post...its to bad the fat one does not have the physical stamina to go to these games..he huffs and puffs just walking down terp alley...remember when he had to use a cart at practice...My hope is we get a well conditiones hc who ENJOYS gOING TO THE LOCAL H/S GAMES..ITS LIKE A DATE...IF A RALF FRIDGEN IS YOUR BLIND DATE ARE YOU GOING TO GO BACK..NAAAAA

LETS MOVE ALONG WITH THIS PROCESS

Posted by: carolina1 | December 14, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

CCHAM1..IF YOU ARE SUCH GOOD FRIENDS WITH DANNY...ANSWER ME THIS QUESTION...WHO IS HIS BEST FRIEND THAT PLAYED BASENALL WITH HIM AT EAST FORLYTH HC

PUT UP THE ANSWER OR GET LOST

Posted by: carolina1 | December 14, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

carolina1...i know him from maryland. relax i'm not stealing your boyfriend

Posted by: ccham1 | December 14, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Franklin was not a great O-coordinator. He could be a good recruiter, but it's hard to tell. It's not like MD has the best talent in the ACC. At best we are someplace in the middle. O'Brien was a good get for the Terps, but it even took them a while to realize what potential he has. MD used to win with their Oline and Dline but we have not recruited well in those areas. I would hope that we could make improvements in both the O-coordinator spots as well as recruiting and this is definitely a good thing for Maryland.

Posted by: Jurgensen9 | December 14, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the clarification, Barno.

Posted by: WheelsRI | December 14, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Oh and to the guy who inserted race in a thread that has nothing to do with it - grow up.

Posted by: michaeliceman | December 14, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Michael, you are the one who has a lot of growing up to do if you think that race has nothing to do with why James Franklin was the coach in waiting. The naivety of those who deny race plays a major factor in affirmative action hiring never ceases to amaze me.

See MD's former AD Debbie Yow's comments on his promotion, drom a published report on accsports.com: "Only because Franklin is a 'qualified minority,' according to Yow, did College Park administrators willingly agree to his preemptive promotion. 'It’s part of our fabric,' she said of affirmative hiring, which at Maryland included the ACC’s first black basketball assistant coach and head coach, the first African-American chancellor, and the first and only female AD."

I said I hope the school doesn't weigh race as a factor again in their next coaching hire or promotion. There is nothing wrong with that statement, and if you have a problem with it then perhaps you should do yourself a favor and get a clue before you comment on it.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 14, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Pete...I think you are dead right about Barny...I have suspected since my first day on the board that he is either Fridges wife, one of the daughters or someone sleeping with Fridges wife who cant stand the idea of them moving out of the area....he uses a lot of aggressive name calling to make him seem like a male but my money says he is one of the daughters....

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 14, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

And Barny...drop the racist agenda...it just makes you look more ignorant than usual

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 14, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Dear Terps Insider board,

It's sad and unfortunate that in the year 2010, we still can't discuss things like a state university taking race into consideration in politically correct hiring, promotions, admissions, scholarships--you name it, and all according to published reports by credible news outlets. We can't discuss these things because pitifully ignorant people like "TerpfanMA" insert themselves into the conversation with disgusting and absolutely baseless accusations of racism.

It's a real shame, that even in this day and age, we still can't rid ourselves of these nut jobs and discuss these issues like adults.

By the way, where has our Terp Insider moderator HughG been recently? Seems like it's been a while...

Posted by: Barno1 | December 14, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Great news!! The TeRPS stink and this guy was in the wings to continue a bad situation.....When the big guy departs we need a NEW DIRECTION!!!!!

Posted by: LongTimeSkinsFan | December 14, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand why the affirmative action issue has relevance at all. Barno knows what affirmative action is: equally qualified candidates, preference given if one applicant is of a race/ethnicity that has been historically discriminated against (e.g, protected class).

MD's decision to sign off on the coach in waiting was based on their belief that Franklin was likely "equally qualified" to potential applicants given MD's history of hiring (he was, after all, their OC). It wasn't as if he was "unqualified". Hence, this isn't a quota issue (which Title VII of the CRA explicitly prohibits).

He was qualified, preference given. Affirmative action is about access and opportunity. Yow's statements, and those who hired him, do not offend me at all. The "Rooney Rule" in the NFL, in my opinion, comes closer to a quota system than what we saw at MD.

It is now self-evident that Franklin is qualified: Vandy will hire him. He has proven himself a qualified candidate, has he not? He wasn't "given" anything...no entitlement here...qualified applicant...tie goes to the runner. Simple as that.

Posted by: WheelsRI | December 14, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

At first glance, Franklin leaving would seem to clear up the coaching issue but I think it actually creates another dilema...it prematurely forces Andersons hand in terms of "what to do with Fridge"...the problem is that while his extension is "in doubt" it will make it harder for Fridge to bring in a quality OC with only 1 year left...so Anderson has to accelerate his decision somewhat and either "extend" or "dont extend" prior to next season...

The other problem with Franklin leaving is that he is young, fit, energetic and personable....on the other hand you have Fridge who is aging, overwieght and stand-offish....it was easy to see why kids would gravitate towards Franklin...


The way I see it, Fridge is not really a long term solution at this point for UMD and the drop off in recruiting will reverberate long after he is gone....let him serve out his contract, congratulate him and lets use this opportunity to move in a new positive direction with the program

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 14, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Barno, these posts are like a cry for help. Why are you so hung-up on race? You've become the Charles Manson of the Terrapins Insider board.

Posted by: epdaly | December 14, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

I dont really see the need to tie Fridge in with DOBs tenure at all...JF brought the kid in and frankly, he would still be sitting on the bench if Robinson had not been injured...even after the injury, Fridge was reluctant to name him the starter....I still laugh at the notion that we wouldnt name the starter prior to the Clemson game as some sort of strategy to make them prepare for both QBs...the reality is that Fridge didnt know what to do.....

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 14, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Terpfan,
Fridge was ACC COY. Were you ACC COY? Exactly.

Posted by: aviscardo | December 14, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

O BY THE WAY CCHAM1..YOU ARE SO FULL OF CRAP..I ASKED YOU A QUESTION AND YOU ANSWER WITH A DAHHH I KNOW HIM FROM SCHOOL..

TAKE A HIKE NERD..

Posted by: carolina1 | December 14, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

TerpfanMA:

Your lack of logic is truly staggering. So Franklin is the OC but can't make the decision about who starts the game? Is that how it works? Yet you think Fridge is a worse coach than Franklin who can't even make decisions about the offense he supposedly runs? So Ralph is totally detached when it comes to things like recruiting, yet is so micro managing when it comes to deciding who is the starter? Ralph as both puppet master and imbecile. How did Ralph ever make it this far in life.

Posted by: WheelsRI | December 14, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Can't help but laugh at clowns like Epdaly. The guy pops up on here every few weeks just to attempt to make smart comments directed at me, but he's just an idiot and always comes up short. Today's comment has to take the cake as his most ridiculous yet. Claiming that those who want a colorblind process are the ones who are "hung up by race" is just about as absurd as it gets. But thanks for the laugh buddy.

Funny thing is, it's those like Epdaly who accept racial preferences at places like UMD who are the ones "hung up on race." They aren't in favor of just hiring the best man for the job regardless of skin color, just admitting the best applicant to the school regardless of ethnicity, promoting the most worthy workers regardless of where their parents came from. No, they would rather take race into account. By any common sense definition, these people are the ones hung up on race, not those who want race to play no role.

Race is an arbitrary concept. How many people on here over the years have admitted they didn't even realize Franklin was black? Many. Yet because he has a black parent, the school automatically factored that in their promotion of him. They admitted this. They admitted they do this all the time ("it's part of our fabric here at UMD"). It's disgusting and divisive practice and it needs to stop.

I don't care if our head coach is white, black, Hispanic, Asian, or Native American. I just want the best coach period. Race and ethnicity should play no role, just hire the best candidate. But clowns like epdaly somehow find a way to twist this around and claim that's a racist concept, when it's just the opposite.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 14, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

"I don't understand why the affirmative action issue has relevance at all. Barno knows what affirmative action is: equally qualified candidates, preference given if one applicant is of a race/ethnicity that has been historically discriminated against (e.g, protected class)."

WheelsRI, I respect your opinion a lot, but on this you are wrong. Yours is a misconception that a lot of people have about race-based policies (affirmative action). They believe it's just a tiebreaking factor to decide between equal candidates. But nothing could be further from the truth. Schools try very hard to keep the numbers from the public, but thanks to Freedom of Information requests, we now know for a fact just how heavily schools like Maryland weight race. It's not just one factor, it's THE determining factor.

Here's just one study which documents how heavily Maryland factors race into their decisions.

Racial and Ethnic Preferences at the University of Maryland

Executive Summary:

• Black applicants are given a massive degree of preference over their
white, Hispanic, and Asian counterparts.

• Hispanics, Asians, and whites are admitted with roughly the same MCAT scores.
Hispanic and white science GPAs are roughly the same, while science GPAs for
Asian admittees are slightly lower.

• University of Maryland School of Medicine (UMSM) generally admits blacks with much lower test scores and science GPAs as
compared with whites, Hispanics, and Asians. In 1996 and 1999, 75 percent of
blacks were admitted with test scores lower than roughly 75 percent of all white
and Hispanic admittees. In those years, the median science GPA for black
admittees was lower than the science GPA for 75 percent of Hispanics and whites
admitted by UMSM. Seventy-five percent of blacks were admitted by UMSM
with lower scores than half the Asians admitted in 1996, while 75 percent of
blacks were admitted with lower scores than 75 percent of Asians admitted in
1999.

• The relative odds of admission of a black over a white applicant were 61.5 to 1 in
1996, 35.9 to 1 in 1997, 40.7 to 1 in 1998, and 20.6 to 1 in 1999.

• The odds ratios translate into massive preferences favoring blacks over other
groups. For example, in 1996, the probability of admission for a black applicant
with a total MCAT score of 45 and a science GPA of 3.5 was 97 percent—
roughly three times the probability of a similarly qualified white, Asian, or
Hispanic. The probability of admission for a white applicant with the same
credentials was 33 percent; for an Asian, 28 percent; and for a Hispanic, 37
percent. For 1999, the probability of admission of a black applicant with a total
MCAT score of 45 and a science GPA of 3.5 was 90 percent, as compared to 31
percent for a similar white applicant, 23 percent for an Asian applicant, and 53
percent for a Hispanic applicant. These statistics control for sex, residency, and
whether the person had a parent graduating from UMSM

Posted by: Barno1 | December 14, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Of course a liberal school like maryland in a liberal state like maryland is going to employ liberal affirmative action policies, this is old news. If you don't think race is a big deal to the powers that be at UMD in every aspect of their decision making, you are only kidding yourself. I'm not saying this is a good or bad thing, but it's funny seeing people try to deny this. Some of you are blind. Not colorblind, just blind.

Posted by: this_guy | December 15, 2010 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Prisbell, what happened to the more details??? AP now contradicting this "report" too. Are you having fun throwing your credibility away?

Posted by: Corn_Laden | December 15, 2010 12:57 AM | Report abuse

Been away since the weekend - working and still suffering a bit more disappointment than I'd like to admit (and I just admitted it) over the BC loss.

Now in my opinion, UMAB (home of the med school and law school) has no more to do with UMCP than it does UMBC. I have a different take on race issues altogether because I am not either black or white, but a different shade of brown altogether. Since I have started shaving my head (my hair was gray anyways) I often get mistaken for black...unfortunately by police officers more than most.

I have more issues with the lower admission standards inflicted upon out-of-state students than on in-state students. I am not sure if the practice still exists, but clearly the average SATs and GPAs of our students from NJ/NY was lower than that for our students from MD when I was in school (and as was frequently reported by the D-back).

Yow really stuck her foot in her mouth with the quotes Barno has repeated on this board. I seriously doubt JF was hired BECAUSE he was black as OC; he was hired because RF knew him, trusted him, and he was a good fit for the job. This based on my memory that he was back at MD as OC a while before Yow HCIW'd him (correct me if it was concurrent - his hiring as OC + HCIW).

In terms of HCIW...that is a different issue. So to be clear, the man got his job as OC fair and square; the HCIW designation is where it gets murky.

Clearly Yow thought that the HCIW was the future wave in college FB (insert comp cheer joke here) and wanted to be one of the first, a pioneer if you will, to have one. Clearly Yow was elated that JF happens to be black; her statements indicate that. However, I'm not 100% certain that JF would not have gotten the designation if he weren't defined by ethnicity. That is, JF would have likely gotten the HCIW designation anyway. Continuity to preserve recruiting was what the HCIW was allegedly all about and JF's whole rep is about recruiting.

The base hypocrisy in all of this is that Yow sounds like she is proud of providing a guy an opportunity because she is above racism while in effect, by bring up the man's race, she opens him up to criticism of favoritism. She could have just said, we got a great recruiter/coach/OC and we want to reward him rather than see him leave. If she had never brought up his race, most of us would not have KNOWN he was black...nor cared.

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | December 15, 2010 7:01 AM | Report abuse

hahahah...no wheels....I am saying that Franklin is a better recruiter than Ralph will ever be....AND I dont think its necessary to give Ralph a contract to run through DOBs time at UMD (some people like to use this as a reason to extend Ralph as if DOB is his protege)....I am just pointing out that this happy dance between the two just recently materialized (about midway through the season)

Thats it...dont think that makes Ralph a puppetmaster

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 15, 2010 7:38 AM | Report abuse

hgr-Thanks for a well-written interesting post. FWIW I think you nailed it.

Posted by: fellowfan | December 15, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

I agree with Terpfan that Anderson has a little tougher situation now, but it is up to Ralph to bridge the gap on OC. He should have back-ups either on staff or in his network that are reasonable choices. If he doesn't then that is just another issue for him as HC.

HughG, your comments are fine, but they really weren't necessary. Barno, for no good reason, stirred up a hornets nest about race after the HCIW had left. It's over. Move on. Edicts about what can't happen again are worthless. Barno, take a pill and get some rest. Many of us are simply very tired of your blather and tactics. That letter to WaPo was sad.

Posted by: petecard | December 15, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Barno...the intent of affirmative action is quite different than implementation of policies. On that we agree. Regarding Franklin's hire, I think what we know now clouds our retrospective comments. Had he set the world on fire with his play calling and strategies from day 1, we'd all be saying "Wow, we're lucky Yow locked him up! What foresight!" But that's not how it worked out.

My own personal beliefs are that affirmative action is quite necessary. Given that college football players on average are black, the dearth of black HCs is troubling. Just on numbers of players alone, you'd expect more black coaches at every level. While it's true that many people self-select into and out of professions for all kinds of reasons, it seems a bit odd to me that there are only 5 or 6 black HCs out of 120 in D1 football.

Just my take. I'm sure someone's done research on this topic. I personally don't mind affirmative action programs impacting decisions on who to hire as HC. Franklin appears to be somewhat of a commodity, so I think there might have been something more to his hire than race (maybe the TB Buccaneers)...even if that's what Yow led with during an interview. The market, at the time of the HCIW and now seems to suggest the guy can coach.

I think we all have our doubts about that after watching his offenses for a couple of years. I won't be upset to see him go, and I wish him luck.

And Pete...Ralph needs a contract extension just for recruiting purposes alone. That's how the game is played. You can't fault him for being a poor recruiter and at the same time argue against something that helps him be a better recruiter.

Posted by: WheelsRI | December 15, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Wheels...at some point Ralph is going to run out of extensions so we are going to have to face his "last year"...If Anderson decides that Ralph is "his guy" then he will give him an extension.....If the jury is still out, then perhaps Anderson would rather cross that bridge now instead of 2 years from now (especially since the HCIW may not cloud the issue)


Lets be honest here....Fridge is in the twilight of his career...hes not healthy..he grouses in public...he hasnt really strung together back to back good seasons since the beginning of the decade....maybe Anderson is looking at a longer term 10 plan for the program...I dont think anyone really expects Fridge to be "that guy", so why not put that plan in place now instead of 2015 especially since the door is open now with his contract expiring next year

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 15, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

This situation seems to be moving into a 'something's fishy' zone imo. So I just read several articles and their accompanying discussion threads on the "Vandy" page of the sports section of tennessean.com. Based on that these are my observations. 1) David Williams, their "Vice Chancellor of Athletics" seems like a guy who as of yesterday was saying contradictory things. Both that negotiations were ongoing with Franklin AND that the situation overall was "very, very, very fluid." And that he was calling numerous candidates. 2) Virtually none of the fans is enthusiastic about Franklin, several are reconciled to him being the caliber of guy they can get, numerous ones think he is a terrible and unacceptable choice, and a few were in all-cap tirades about how they are big donors and will never give money or buy season tickets again, etc. etc. 3) (And I am NOT trying to stir up a hornets nest.) Race does seem to be a dynamic in this situation. Williams is black and at least some people are drawing conclusions about why he would choose Franklin. Coupled with what I think can be reasonably termed a negative overall response to the prospect of hiring of Franklin on general stature/merits issues, who can say what will happen. But the guy is clearly under pressures to expand the search.

Posted by: jake177 | December 15, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Extending Ralphie to avoid a single year of recruiting confusion is ridiculous - especially considering the underwhelming recruiting classes of late. God forbid the guy actually has to earn an extension based on performance rather than a perceived gap in one aspect of the job. TerpfanMA is right - this is something we're going to have to confront sooner or later, so we should rip off that band-aid right now.

Who knows, maybe the recruiting ambiguity helps Ralphie boy. He can pay little attention to it next year, concentrate solely on gameplanning, and hopefully win some games he's not supposed to. If he does that he gets an extension - and the larger problem is solved. If he doesn't we've got someone fresh coming in - and the larger problem is solved.

Posted by: caphillterp | December 15, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Short version of my previous post: Not only hasn't the fat lady sung yet Re: Franklin-to-Vandy, I don't think she is really even warming up yet.

Posted by: jake177 | December 15, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

jake...you have to be careful putting too much credence in message board postings..If Vandy is anything like this one, they tend to be dominated by just a few people who often spout extreme opinions, and threats....In fact I remember a few weeks ago that Barny stated he would withdraw his support for Maryland Football completely if we made JF Head Coach....that coupled with all his regular rantings makes this quite comical but hardly reflective of UMD fans and alumni

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 15, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

In fact, sometimes the best thing is when I am about to type something critical of Fridge, I picture Barny's face getting all scrunched up, his fingers curling up on the keyboard as he blasts out another demand that I never post again!

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 15, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

I acknowledge that I have no clue what will happen next at Vanderbilt and so I can't really say whether Franklin is about to be announced as their coach. But I don't think it is a stretch to say that after thinking they were getting Auburn's OC a lot of the Vanderbilt fan base is not exactly ready to hear an announcement about a fallback candidate. This thing COULD take a while, whether it ends up being Franklin or not.

Posted by: jake177 | December 15, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe that Anderson will extend Ralph now. Other than having a coach with a consistent winning program on an upward track, the situation Anderson finds himself in in his first year is really a good one. He has a coach that needs to prove he can build on a good season after a disastrous season in the last year of his contract. He may well shed a $1 million payment to a HCIW who probably wasn't the best choice for HC if Ralph is not extended. He can accept some recruiting issues that may come from not having a HC with security because he is doing the prudent thing and he didn't create this situation. Midway through next year he should have enough evidence to determine Ralph's fate. This is a very good scenario.

Posted by: petecard | December 15, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

My own personal beliefs are that affirmative action is quite necessary. Given that college football players on average are black, the dearth of black HCs is troubling. Just on numbers of players alone, you'd expect more black coaches at every level. While it's true that many people self-select into and out of professions for all kinds of reasons, it seems a bit odd to me that there are only 5 or 6 black HCs out of 120 in D1 football.

Posted by: WheelsRI | December 15, 2010 9:35 AM |

WheelsRI, I'm glad some people on here are mature enough to disagree on this issue without calling the other side racists. It's my opinion that the Rooney Rule is totally unnecessary. There are roughly the same ratio of black head coaches (13 out of 120, or about 11%) than there are blacks in our population (37 million, or about 12%), which--given logic and reason--should satisfy proponents of the rule. But it doesn't satisfy them because proponents like yourself almost always point to the proportion of black players to black coaches, as if that is somehow relevant. It's isn't.

It is unsurprising that there is no correlation between the race of players vs coaches because the skills required to become a good player vs being a good coach are quite different. Whereas black athletes are disproportionately faster than their white, Hispanic, and Asian counterparts, you cannot teach speed to your players. And blacks (and whites) are not disproportionately better at teaching and motivating players--no racial group is better at this--which are precisely the skills required to be a good coach. I recommend you and anyone else interested in this issue to read this book: www.amazon.com/Taboo-Athletes-Dominate-Sports-Afraid/dp/158648026X

The one major factor that is universally ignored by the media and by proponents of the Rooney Rule, is that you have to have a college degree to become a college football coach. Black males make up less than 3% of Americans with at least a bachelor degree. This makes the pool of possible black candidates for college head coaches relatively tiny compared to white candidates. This shows us that the dearth in black coaches in football has virtually nothing to do with racism on the part of schools or NFL franchises, it has to do with the pool of eligible applicants.

The reason for the dearth of black college graduates is the skills gap in reading and writing and math and science. I think we need to do a lot more to close that skills gap, but I do not think giving an artificial boost based on race to those who aren't prepared academically is the right solution to helping more minorities earn degrees. In fact in many cases, that "boost" hurts them more than it helps. At schools with racial preferences in admissions, we see blacks and Hispanic students, on average, in turn earn lower GPA, flunking out at higher rates, and taking longer to graduate. This is primarily why I'm opposed to race-based policy: it hurts those it's intended to help.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 15, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

By the way HGR is The Man. Glad you're back....Don't ever leave again.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 15, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Barno, why don't you just spoon David Duke and get it over with? I know that I speak for many on this board when I say that I'm tired of hearing your faux-educated take on race in America.

Posted by: caphillterp | December 15, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Two points...first, the problem with this country right now is that people don't even try to have a discussion. Why would caphillterp call Barno David Duke? What, he can't have a different take on a complex social issue than you? That's simpleminded.

Second, I don't buy that blacks are naturally faster than whites (or can jump higher for that matter, too). A huge self-selection bias exists in sports today. Whites self-select out of sports because they don't think can succeed. The same skill sets needed to succeed in volleyball match the skill sets in basketball; yet one attracts more whites than blacks and vice versa.

As for test scores and the like, Google the social phenomenon "stereotype threat." Many of the differences we ascribe to races have more to do with the social setting than actual predisposition.

Posted by: WheelsRI | December 15, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

caphillterp, thank you for proving the point that it is nearly impossible to discuss these important issues without ignorant nutjobs calling the other side "racist." Sure, there are plenty of racists in this country...but I'm not one of them and your accusation is baseless.

It's beyond laughable that in this day and age, you are compared to David Duke if you are against race-based public policy and for a colorblind society. Being that I am 1/2 Hispanic, my fellow Hispanics and I would stand to gain from affirmative action policies, yet I oppose them. So I must be self-hating Hispanic in your eyes, right caphillterp?

Here's a newsflash for ignorant clowns like caphillterp: More than 70% of the American public are against race-based policies, according to every single credible poll on this issue dating back the last 30 years. And according to many polls, a plurality of blacks are opposed to awarding preferences based on race--even though they would allegedly stand to benefit from it. Why? Because it is insulting, demeaning, and hurts the very people it is intended to help.

Lastly, since you implied I belong in the KKK, I challenge you to find one single comment I have made that could even remotely be construed as bigoted. If you can't, then I think we both know you should keep quiet while the adults are speaking.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 15, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Barny writes:

Lastly, since you implied I belong in the KKK, I challenge you to find one single comment I have made that could even remotely be construed as bigoted.

_______________________________________

Heres one and I didnt have to look far to get it:

"black athletes are disproportionately faster than their white, Hispanic, and Asian counterparts"

Now please go quietly...your lame attempts at turning this into a racial issue are laughable and your silly statistics are at least a decade old....and what in the world do they have to do with Franklin going to Vandy?

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 15, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Pete is correct...the cards are lining up for Anderson to gracefully improve direction if he desires to do it....a couple of "closed door" meetings with the Fridge and he can exit UMD at the end of his contract with his $$ and pride intact...he can be hailed as a true terp who improved the program and left on a high note....off to his lakeside retirement home next to O'Leary and the two of them relax, fish and talk about football

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 15, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

According to Insidemdsports.com, it's a power struggle for the job right now between the two.

You've got to keep RF and let JF go if that's his threat. Ralph has had his down years but he's far more proven and you can rebuild soon if it doesnt work out.

Posted by: TerpTime1 | December 15, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Well, Terptime, if indeed it is a power struggle between RF and JF, that means that Anderson had to let that happen. Because if JF brought it up in a discussion about "what it would take to keep him," then Anderson could have said thanks, but no thanks immediately. To me, such a request by the OC would be totally unacceptable. So if there is a "struggle," Anderson is allowing it. I sure hope this report is wrong.

Posted by: petecard | December 15, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Are you guys suggesting that JF is asking Anderson to make him HC right now? Or a committment to make him HC in 2012? (I realize he sorta has this deal now but he could be thinking Anderson is planning to pay him the $1M and name someone else next year)

Or are you saying the power struggle is between to 2 Vandy candidates? It wasnt really clear?

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 15, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Barno, I think the point any of us are trying to make is nobody seems to care about race with regards to Franklin except you. The discussion revolves around whether or not he does a good job, whether or not JF going to Vandy is good or bad for Terp football, etc. and then you derail the conversation pulling your cut-and-paste routine with Debbie Yow's comments a couple of years ago. Regardless of what she said, the guy was hired and built some level of respect from enough guys that people are worried about what happens when he exits. I'm not one of them. Personally, I think he calls a lousy game and am happy to see him go but I do believe he didn't just get the job or get some overwhelming advantage because of his skin color. And yet you KEEP harping on it. Who cares? Really.

1 further point, why are you allowed to criticize Franklin? As of now, he's still employed by Maryland. By your logic, if you're not on board with all things Maryland, you're a "moron" or a "clown". Just look at whenever anyone tries to question the fat man with the bad teeth.

Posted by: epdaly | December 15, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Heres one and I didnt have to look far to get it:

"black athletes are disproportionately faster than their white, Hispanic, and Asian counterparts"
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You have got to be kidding me. Wow. It really does amaze me to see the level that the ignorant will stoop to attack those they disagree with.

Have you ever heard of the movie White Men Can't Jump? I'm sure you picketed outside the theaters when it came out, TerpfanMA. I'm sure it's just a coincidence that black athletes dominate the track events at every Olympics, right TerpfanMA? I'm sure it's just a coincidence that blacks extremely disproportionately outnumber whites in sports where speed is essential.

There is nothing bigoted about these statements. No one here is saying that since blacks are disproportionately faster they must somehow be intellectual inferior--which is what bigots often used to claim (as I'm sure some still do).

Wow, just wow. You have lost any remaining semblance of credibility you may have had TerpfanMA.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 15, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

why are you allowed to criticize Franklin? As of now, he's still employed by Maryland. By your logic, if you're not on board with all things Maryland, you're a "moron" or a "clown". Just look at whenever anyone tries to question the fat man with the bad teeth.

Posted by: epdaly | December 15, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

My logic is that if you're not on board with all things MD you're a moron? Um, no. Nice try. There are plenty of legitimate criticisms any fan can make of his or her team. I've often wondered why we didn't get more out of guys like Vernon Davis or Shaun Merriman in their time in College Park and I do think Friedgen should be responsible for getting the most of out future NFL stars. I think that's a fair criticism. I think some of the playcalling over the years has been suspect, when to go for it on 4th and when to punt, etc... even before Franklin was in charge this was an issue. Again, this is a legitimate criticism of a coach that I support. What I have a problem with are asinine criticisms like "Fridge has been a disaster for MD football" which TerpfanMA has repeated on this board ad nauseum this entire seasson.

So, please don't come around here telling me my logic is you can't criticize the Terps. That is just weak, and a blatant straw man, Epdaly.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 15, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

TerpfanMA: GO AWAY ALREADY LOSER.

No one enjoys your juvenile comments.

Posted by: terp4lifer | December 15, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Barno,

I agree with a lot of your points on Affirmative Action. We have come along way in this country when it comes to racism over that last, say 40 years, and we still have a ways to go but, AA has little to do with how far we've come, IMO.

Unfortunately, this is probably to deep of a topic for some of the pinheads on this board.

I say we move on.

Posted by: Section505203 | December 15, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Barny you are a riot...a poor twisted soul but a riot nonetheless!

So lets follow your rants over the past few months...first, you cant believe that Yow hired JF...must be because hes black right? Then you follow that up with threats to withdraw your support for MD football if he is made HC....now you are on here today posting that blacks are faster than whites and asians and claiming that you cant be racist because you are 1/2 Hispanic???????? WTF????? And then to justify everything you reference "White Men Cant Jump".....

You should take a rest and get some help....Until now, I thought you were one of Fridges daughters but now I suspect you are the reincarnation of Howard Cosell

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 15, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Agreed section505203, clearly the Fridge haters (terpfanMA, caphillterp, epdaly) are all, not coincidentally, too childish to discuss issues like the Rooney Rule and race-based issues like grown ups.

It was worth a shot, but I agree let's move on.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 15, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Barno, 100 percent agree with your comments on this thread. You're not a racist just because you are against affirmative action. Not sure why that is difficult for some to comphrehend, but the children on here will always ruin open discussions on controversial issues like this.

Posted by: terp4lifer | December 15, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Let's break down TerpfanMA's most recent infantile comments:

"first, you cant believe that Yow hired JF...must be because hes black right?"

I never said I couldn't believe Yow hired JF, nor anything close to that. My issue was with her saying College Park administrators 'would never have approved his promotion if it weren't for him being a minority and that affirmative hiring is part of MD's fabric'

"Then you follow that up with threats to withdraw your support for MD football if he is made HC"

I stand by this. I'm sure it would only be a 1 or 2 year stint because I think he would be an utter failure as our head coach given his record as an Offensive Coordinator.

"now you are on here today posting that blacks are faster than whites and asians"

I'm not sure you realize this, but you are literally the only person living on the face of the earth who would deny the above statement.

"claiming that you cant be racist because you are 1/2 Hispanic???????? WTF?????"

Lol. I never said anything remotely like that you d0uche. Racists exist in every racial group.

"And then to justify everything you reference "White Men Cant Jump"....."

Yes, I referenced White Men Can't Jump because you hilariously stated that claiming white men are slower on average was a racist statement. Yet you didn't answer my question: did you picket outside the theaters when that movie came out?

Posted by: Barno1 | December 15, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

TerpfanMA, I have a question for you. Are you 6 years old?

Why are you so incapable of letting people on here discuss these issues without resorting to being a baby about everything?

Racism? Seriously??

Grow up!

Posted by: jj94_Terp | December 15, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Start harmless: I work with one of the nicest guys on the planet. Intelligent, caring, hard-working but always family first, and fairly non-judgemental. He went to Duke. I won't ask him for help to change my handle again, but he is a dookie through and through. He wears coach-k-the-ratface drawers (and since he went to Duke, I ASSUME he leaves skid marks on them).

Barno has discussed race intelligently. He brought up the race and took a familiar position, which has proven unpopular to many on this board. I don't see that as racist. Provocative - yes. Racist - no.

When you dislike someone you kinda know or see around, we tend to villianize them in every way, and racism is a slam-dunk accusation that makes an unbeatable light-sabre. I actually thought that it would be ten posts before someone brought up Hitler or KKK references. Yes, Barno brought up race, and we went through the (entertaining) TI patented race-brawl. No, that does not mean he hates others because of their race. Does not pass my litmus test.

In terms of quotas and percentages, I'll add my two cents in at some point. However, I doubt it applied in this circumstance - that is, for JF getting the OC position. JF was the right fit and hand selected by RF. RF chose JF - not Yow - RF.

My own, one-time diatribe on race to follow.

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | December 15, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Here is the one thing I know about racism. 100% of it exists before someone hears you speak. They don't know you so they have to classify you somehow (first impressions). And the within our races we use visual clues (clothing, for instance) to classify amongst ourselves. Its not right or wrong, it is what it is.

Until we speak to one another. When we speak to one another, 99% of how we evaluate each other shifts to speech pattern. Think of it, you think of someone you know from any other race by their speech pattern moreso than by their appearance or skin color. I know I do...and sometimes I imitate them.

I've met plenty of racists (towards me) who were quite nice and a few I consider friends; I've met plenty of people who were accusing others of being racists who were *ssholes. Race relations will evolve through our lifetimes. Most extended families now are mixed race to some extent.

Now despite the data point offered way above, I will go on stereotyping Duke fans as annoying (truly thats moreso for folks who root for duke but never attended Duke), impotent, and acne-scarred (thats actually for people who went to Duke). There is an exception to every rule. Please add other known truths about Duke fans if you have a moment.

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | December 15, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Barny...since you stubbornly cling to this notion that Blacks are faster than Hispanics, White and Asians as referenced by your rant, here is the definition of racism and bigotry (cut and pasted from the dictionary)

Racism:
the belief that races have distinctive characteristics determined by hereditary factors and that this endows some races with an intrinsic superiority over others

Bigotry:
A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs


Not sure which one describes you better...probably a little of both


Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 15, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Where were all these Franklin lovers during the season? I didn't see one positive post about Franklin the entire year. Now, Terpfan and Pete want to run Fridge out of town for a guy that is the worst play-caller I've seen in my life? You two never cease to amaze me.

Posted by: aviscardo | December 15, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Hugh as always for your common sense comments.

Just to clarify, my issue has never been with Friedgen's decision to bring Franklin back as offensive coordinator (though I think that too was a mistake, though forgivable since he helped land DOB).

My problem was with the promotion to HC in waiting and Debbie Yow's 'affirmative hiring' agenda, as she called it. It was irresponsible, raises legal questions, and most importantly, Terps fans agreed: we don't want Franklin as our next head coach.

Here's to hoping Vandy closes the deal on JF soon and rids of us this ugly Coach in Waiting situation.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 15, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I didn't imply that Barno was in the KKK nor did I say that he was David Duke. I said that he should go spoon David Duke. Big difference.

My larger (and serious) point is that people on this board want to talk about Terp football or basketball. Only Barno and his sycophants terp4lifer and Section505203 think that this is the place to demonstrate their quasi-intelligence on race policy with phrases like: "More than 70% of the American public are against race-based policies, according to every single credible poll on this issue dating back the last 30 years." OK, geniuses, we get it. You think you're smart, even though you have a wee bit of trouble with grammar every now and then. Wonderful. I'm sure your mom will proudly hang up this comment thread on the refrigerator and put a nice big smiley face on it.

Get over yourselves, adults.

Posted by: caphillterp | December 15, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I didn't imply that Barno was in the KKK nor did I say that he was David Duke. I said that he should go spoon David Duke. Big difference...Get over yourselves, adults.

Posted by: caphillterp | December 15, 2010 3:16 PM


caphillterp,

you start out telling someone to "go spoon David Duke" and then you conclude with telling people to act like "adults." Huh?

you make fun of others for trying to show how smart they are and then you make fun of people for not being as great at grammar as you are. Huh?

How do you contradict yourself so obviously without even noticing you did it?

It must come natural to you.

Posted by: terp4lifer | December 15, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

"I didn't imply that Barno was in the KKK nor did I say that he was David Duke. I said that he should go spoon David Duke. Big difference." -CaphillTerp

Bullsh*t.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 15, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

terp4lifer, corresponding with you is like trying to speak to Helen Keller. There's just no talking to you.

Do you really think that I was telling people to act like adults? Or perhaps I was poking fun at you morons telling the rest of us to act less juvenile?

Is there anything else you don't understand that I can explain to you?

Posted by: caphillterp | December 15, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

C'mon caphillterp, Barno said he's half hispanic. That means it's off limits to question his obsession with race. Sarcasm is most definitely NOT allowed around here.

Posted by: epdaly | December 15, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

"Barny...since you stubbornly cling to this notion that Blacks are faster than Hispanics, White and Asians" -TerpfanMA

You have got to be the least intelligent human being I have ever crossed paths with. The fact that don't have any ability to distinguish between superiority in speed (which is not a racist notion) and superiority in intelligence (which obviously is a racist notion) is beyond me.

I don't care what skin color you are TerpfanMA, I refuse to believe your IQ is above 75.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 15, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I'm still waiting for TerpfanMA to answer my question: are you 6 years old?

Posted by: jj94_Terp | December 15, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Barno, since you clearly believe that blacks are the fastest race, you must have opinions about the superiority of the other races as well...can you share with us what Whites, Jews, Hispanics and Asians are best at? (in your opinion of course)

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 15, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

@carolina1...What's your deal kid? No one cares if you played with DOB in the sandbox back in the day. I was simply relaying info about the Franklin/Vanderbilt news.

Posted by: ccham1 | December 15, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Now this is interesting....he seems to be implying that (other than me of course) skin color and IQ are related...hmmmmmm

_________________________________________

I don't care what skin color you are TerpfanMA, I refuse to believe your IQ is above 75.

Posted by: Barno1

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 15, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I was more wondering why carolina1 was writing in all-caps. first time i had seen that. Usually carolina1 is a mixed case poster. Just sayin.

new iphone perhaps?

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | December 15, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

What's funny reading posts from the likes of Fargo1 and his cabal is that they can't even offer a simple "thank you" to Franklin for his time here. If somehow the roles were reversed and I, or petecard, or TerpfanMA, or any other logical poster here would've come out and said "good riddance" to anything Terps related, Fargo1 and Co. would pull their usual stunt of calling us "fakey-fans" and getting their pitchforks and torches ready to come get our diplomas. Gotta love the double standard Fargo1 lives by. Seriously, after all that Franklin has given and done for our program Fargo1 can't even say "thank you." He's gotta, as the master or race relations that he is, always go back to Franklin's race and whether or not the circumstances surrounding said are just and apt. Gotta love how he thinks his opinions are always right and anyone who is on the other side is just wrong.

Fargo1 reminds me more and more of Cartman who, to quote Kyle, " can do these mental gymnastics to make themselves a part of things and convince themselves they're awesome, when really, they're just d_0uchebags."

Of course, Franklin leaving takes away the favorite whipping-boy of Fargo1 and his Cabal-o-Fools. Who will Fargo1 and Co. now pile on and blame when a play or series or game doesn't go our way? No way they go after Fridge. He's safe from their criticism. No, they'll probably just blame the new OC, whoever he may be. Gotta love how predictable they are.

Speaking of the Terps and Fargo1, Monday night must've been so bitter-sweet for him. Watching a former Terp win the game for the Ravens. Sweet cause it was a Terp but horribly bitter because he helped the Ravens (a franchise that's actually run professionally and cares about it's fanbase) win, as opposed to Danny-Boys (Fargo1's BFF) moronically run team just 30-mins down the road that even sues its fans.

What else was funny was noticing how silent Fargo1 was on Monday. Again, rather predictable he is. Whenever there is a bad sports weekend for his favorite teams, she always seems rather quite on Mondays. This past Monday was no different, just silently stewing in his own juices. Terps football still screwed by NCAA, Terps bball can't even beat BC at Comcast to open up the ACC, and the Redskins played like, well they played like the Redskins. Of course we all know Fargo1 was wise enough to go, spend $35 for parking to sit in the cold and rain with 400 other braindead 'Skins fans and watch Danny Snyder's (who by the way Fargo1 thinks is one of the best owners in sports) Redskins find yet another way to lose.

AHAHAHAHAHAHA. You keep making Danny-Boy all the richer Fargo1. Remind us again about your Redskins predictions.

Posted by: DixonTheDog | December 15, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and this is how sad Fargo1 is with the grudges he holds, he still holds grudges against Abe Pollin and he's been dead for over a year. Time to let go of that one Fargo1. Fargo1 (and everyone else), go check out the song "Message To Harry Manback" as it seems as if it was written solely about/to you Fargo1.

Just like Fargo1 getting turned down from every guy and girl he hits on. Better wrap this post up so Fargo1 can copy and save it. Oh right, he uses The Google to find posts. What's funny about that is he's actually proud of that, like constantly going to The Google and typing in "poster-x + Terps Insider" or whatever he does isn't a huge waste of time at all.

Oh, Hugh, whatcha think about the O's offseason so far? Funny that the Yankees got turned down by Lee too, hahahahhahahhaha.

But to sum up Fargo1, he's simply a giant d_0uchebag who thinks he's awesome. Keep up those mental gymnastics Cartman, I mean Fargo1.

Posted by: DixonTheDog | December 15, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Aviscard, please let me make a couple of things clear. I don’t want RF run out of town and I want Franklin to take the Vandy job. RF has certainly earned the opportunity to coach next year and either earn an extension or leave with dignity. I have never been in favor of Franklin becoming HC. Please read all my posts on this comment trail and don’t misrepresent what I have said.

As for the racial arguments, my main comment is that race did not need to be part of this discussion. Franklin leaving or staying now has nothing to do with race. His becoming or not becoming the next Maryland Head Coach will (in my opinion) have nothing to do with race. Whatever a former AD did and said really doesn’t matter. Trying to discern racism from statements made on this board is very difficult and dangerous. But injecting the discussion of race in a fairly gratuitous manner is also not a good move. Perhaps some of you may recall when I made a Hitler reference to Barno for one of his typical rants in his self-perceived role as head of this site’s “thought police.” He got very upset and suggested that he is Jewish and my remarks were way off base. They were. No harm intended except to make a point with a poor metaphor. Barno, your reference to “White Men Can’t Jump” and foot speed is also a very unfortunate path. It’s not unlike the former Dodger GM who talked about “buoyancy” as a racial factor.

HughG, as usual, offers some good perspective. Now, folks, it is time to move on.

Posted by: petecard | December 15, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing no matter how many times Petecard contradicts himself, he still finds new ways to do it.

No doubt Petecard will claim this was "taken out of context" but when we were having virtually the same discussion earlier this season--about race and why Prisbell never questions MD officials about whether race plays a role in their hiring and promotions--Petecard took a VERY different stance on this issue:

"I couldn't agree with Barno more and join him in urging you to ask the questions Eric." -Petecard

Now Petecard says we should NOT talk about these issues. Well, this isn't very surprising coming from the same guy who literally went from "I am a huge supporter of Ralph Friedgen" to "Our football program is going nowhere until we get a new head coach."

Since he's going to claim the comments were taken out of context anyway, here's the the link to see exactly the context where Petecard "couldn't agree more" with my position on this issue:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/terrapins-insider/2010/09/what_kevin_andersons_hiring_me.html

Posted by: Barno1 | December 15, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Dixon, some of us have been waiting for you to chime in and you didn't disappoint. Some really funny stuff. I really like the "Fargo1" handle. For BB I like Garo, but maybe Fargo is better.

It's fairly clear to me that Fargo and his boys are not what makes this site tick. It's all of us that say it like it is and won't compromise on where we want the programs to be.

Not much has been written about that game Sunday night. But I think we all know that this year looks like another "bubble" year or worse, with a team I thought would be better. Stoglin has to be inserted in the starting line up and GW needs to double down on the expectations. What is the story with Padgett's lack of playing time?

Posted by: petecard | December 15, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

back to basketball.

DG is looking for his shot earlier in games and I like that; I think it was the pressure of having to watch JP succeed in the playing time he was getting. It took a few games for JP to show some skills but the last few patsy games he showed improved hands, positioning and rebounding. JP was playing with confidence whether JW was on the court or not.

However DG was the finisher in the loss to BC with JP & BW sharing only 6 minutes. This team NEEDS meaningful contributions from its bigs in the big games. It seems that GW is more concerned with sorting out the backcourt/PG situation at this point.

The BC game was a data point in a trend that has seen us not win 4 games against quality opponents with the next opportunity being Duke. Losing the game brings up a whole host of concerns - FT%, rebounding, optimal combos. But its the first game we lost where we did not go to our bench bigs for significant minutes.

No bubble worries yet.

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | December 15, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Fargo, don't you recognize that the circumstances have changed? There are times when critiquing the hiring and HR practices is appropriate and I want us to hire the best people for the job. But the circumstances, whatever they were, for the HCIW decision just don't matter right now. Bringing it up in a discussion about whether Franklin will or will not go to Vandy is off the mark... by a long way. You would do much better to spend some time looking in a mirror and asking yourself how you might change your behavior on this board.

Posted by: petecard | December 15, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I'm still waiting for TerpfanMA to answer my question: are you 6 years old?

Posted by: jj94_Terp


Are you looking for guidance on how to behave when you get there?

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 15, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Poopy, that play Monday night was definitely bitter sweet, but mostly bitter. I wasted 4 hours hoping the Texans would come back only to see them waste the 21 pt comeback when a former Terp ended the game the other way in OT.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 15, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Fargo, don't you recognize that the circumstances have changed? There are times when critiquing the hiring and HR practices is appropriate and I want us to hire the best people for the job. But the circumstances, whatever they were, for the HCIW decision just don't matter right now. Bringing it up in a discussion about whether Franklin will or will not go to Vandy is off the mark... by a long way.

Posted by: petecard | December 15, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Ah, so now it's "the circumstances have changed". Nice to see you have moved on from your "taken out of context" defense.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 15, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Poopy, Barno,

I live in ravens turf. This is so hard to watch. I watched them whine about the loss to Pittsburgh WISHING my team was relevant. And they beckon me with tickets to great seats in a great stadium that takes no time to get in and out of. And they make great personnel moves - no receivers??? welcome messrs. boldin, stallworth and houshmenzadeh (sp?). They even have spare OTs.

I try not to pay attention to them, but 105.7 (Balt station which has some Terps coverage and carries the games) comes in much clearer than 106.7 (DC station which has Lavar complaining and barely mentions the Terps...ever). They are a well run franchise and hard to hate and compete against well-run franchises (Steelers, Pats). My franchise is hoping to end the season ahead of Dallas.

I look at them as a new Camaro - kinda like the one on Hawaii 5-0. I just happen to be partial to Mustangs.

The Os offseason has been great. I think they compete with the Rays (who have been gutted) and the Jays for 3rd place. Glad to see Lee not in NY, but on paper I think the Sawx and Yanks remain too loaded to lose. I know, i know 3rd place does not sound great, but its a huge step up from dead last in the league. Not sure that it would solve attendance issues though. I think the Os have a real chance of finishing above .500. But I've thought that a few times since the new milleneum for whatever its worth.

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | December 15, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

How come no one has expressed outrage at the tripping of Nolan Carroll on this board? That was low, low class by the otherwise unremarkable Jets asst. Any new news on it? Are the gonna fire him?

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | December 15, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Petecard, you have no soul. You change your opinion like the wind changes direction. I wonder how you can look at yourself in the mirror.

Posted by: Section505203 | December 15, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

HughG,

The O's have the same problem as the skins: the owner. Now if he would really stay out of the way for an extended time they might have a chance to really improve. Showalter was a great hire. People think everyone in NY is going crazy because Lee decided to take his talents to South Street. Not the case. We may end up better off. There will be somer very good pitchers to pick up as teams drop out of the race next year and we should be good enough to get into the play-offs. Injuries play a very big part of things. I'll take our guys and we will see what happens.

Need I bring up the Giants? Big game Saturday, but that aside, our owners are really great and the organization is strong. We expect to have a real shot.

Posted by: petecard | December 15, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Please be specific Section. I have changed my mind from time to time and I have admitted it when I have been wrong. If you actually read my comment on the link that Fargo posted you will not see an inconsistency. My position hasn't changed. The issue raised back then was legitimate and an appropriate time to bring it up. The rest of my comment is exactly what I have always said.

Posted by: petecard | December 15, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Wait a second, Hugh you aren't black?

Posted by: jpfterps | December 15, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

He's not fast enough to be black.

Posted by: MrScrotums | December 15, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

I like reading this blog and the comments on here, but puerile commenters like TerpsfanMA always seem to ruin the conversation for everyone else. It is true that Umd factors race/ethnicity into some fairly important decisions. Barno's right about this, I have seen it first hand and I know how important race is to the decision-makers at UMD. Let's just say at Maryland race often outweighs a lot of other seemingly more important factors like experience. This goes for Md's faculty hiring as well, not just for coaches.

Alas, we could have had a nice little debate/conversation about the positives/negatives of the school taking race into account and whether they should continue doing this. Unfortunately though Maryland's graduates on this blog apparently aren't mature enough for that conversation. Resorting to accusations of racism is the tactic of the intellectually inferior, and believe me, dimwits of this shade come in all different colors.

Posted by: this_guy | December 15, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

That post by Barny alledging racially superior characteristics was the most disgusting misguided post I have read in a long time and went way beyond anything related to hiring preferences...it is an embarrassment to everyone who attends, attended or graduated from the University...he tries to justify himself by saying that racism only covers intellectual characteristics but this only further highlites his ignorance....wise up Barny...racism is the belief that heredity endows some races with superior characteristics over others (intellectual or otherwise)...

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 15, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

ccharm1,,,you are a hoot...you are the one saying that you will not steal my boyfriend...o danny would love to hear that he has a homosexual as a friend....i will let him know about this blog beacause he knows who i am see ya

Posted by: carolina1 | December 15, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

TerpfanMA,

I've said it before and I'll say this again: You are, by far, the single dumbest human being I have ever come across. Period.

I am still waiting for to respond to my question about whether you picketed that oh so offensive film White Men Can't Jump. Hmmm...did you?

I'm not sure if TerpfanMA has ever read a book before (I highly doubt it), but as I mentioned earlier for anyone else interested...Jon Entine's 'Why Black Athletes Dominate Sports and Why We're Afraid to Talk About It' is an interesting read. Goes to the heart of why infants like TerpfanMA kill open discussion about these issues by screaming racism.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 15, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

...racism is the belief that heredity endows some races with superior characteristics over others (intellectual or otherwise)

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 15, 2010 8:59 PM
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There are a lot of definitions of racism out there, but that's certainly a peculiar one. I think someone can believe that heredity endows some races with superior characteristics without being a racist. For example, it's reasonable to believe that dark pigmentation is a superior characteristic when looking at comparative sun damage to the skin. I also think it's a peculiar form of racism you are accusing Barno of since he believes a race other than his own has the superior characteristic.

Posted by: MrScrotums | December 15, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

MrScrotums, that's a very good point. Good to see not all MD grads are as foolish as TerpsfanMA.

Posted by: this_guy | December 15, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Wow, we really do need Clark or Prisbell to post another entry to get off this topic. Maybe Yanda can make a 'guest' post.

Posted by: erniegogo | December 16, 2010 6:25 AM | Report abuse

Wait a second, Hugh you aren't black?

Posted by: jpfterps

Yeah, that's what the cop said...

Posted by: mabkhar | December 16, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Barny,
I am still waiting for an answer to my question:

can you share with us what Whites, Jews, Hispanics and Asians are best at? (in your opinion of course)

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 16, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse


Friedgen said there was a verbal understanding that he could -- if he wanted -- continue to coach beyond the date in which the transition was to occur. "If we go to the Orange Bowl, maybe I will (remain)," Friedgen told me. "And James has sat down with Debbie and I, and we have talked about that."

Others have confirmed that Friedgen -- in the days after Franklin's "head-coach-in-waiting" deal was made public -- expressed the belief that he had been granted the option to stay beyond his January 2012 contract expiration if he saw fit.

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 16, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Yes, Hugh lives in the right place to fit right into the great Melting Pot( both ethnically and equal ratio of Ravens to Redskins fans) that is Columbia/Ellicott City...as a matter of fact I was just in a new Korean/French bakery in EC and could swear I saw Jin Soo Choi making fresh croissants.

Posted by: mydogsnameisdixon | December 16, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

as a matter of fact I was just in a new Korean/French bakery in EC and could swear I saw Jin Soo Choi making fresh croissants.
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Speaking of former Terps in unexpected places, I spent most of yesterday in an rug and tile warehouse in Beltsville, MD picking out said items. The warehouse was empty except for me, my family and one Johnny Rhodes. I wouldn't have known it was him (my family of Terps fans didnt recognize him) except I had seen him earlier this year at a Terps game, he was wearing a Terps Sweatshirt and the owner was calling him Johnny. I put all 3 together and figured it all out. I know, I'm a regular Sherlock Holmes. Anyway, he's doing good in case anyone is wondering. His hobbies lately include learning how to run his own business and hating Terps fans from MA.

Posted by: fushezzi | December 16, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

You can tell fushezzi is one of Fargo's boys. That crowd just can't post anything without including a gratuitous barb at someone. It's really a sick characteristic but many of us have come to expect it.

Posted by: petecard | December 16, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

The barbs are coming from everywhere pete. No one is spared. Cry me a river.

Posted by: fushezzi | December 16, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Yeah no kidding Pete! I can picture the look on Rhodes face as fushezzi trundles up to him and announces that he just finished the Entine book and congratulates him on being faster than Hispanics and Asians....priceless!


Looks like an exciting Baseball season coming up in the AL East...we will have to find another board to touch base as the season gets underway

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 16, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I guess it is the nature of blog that it would descend to the level this one has. Doesn't anyone from the WP monitor this thing? What has happened to EP or anyone else that has updated info on the situation at MD? I am interested in what happens to the FB program at CP. The rest of this noise about who is what seems to me to be a waste of cyber space. Each person has his or her opinion and, it seems to me, has stated them too many times to make a further impact on the reader. Give it a break.

Posted by: fellowfan | December 16, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Wait a second, Hugh you aren't black?

Posted by: jpfterps

Yeah, that's what the cop said...

Posted by: mabkhar | December 16, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

No details to be provided. But Mabkhar nailed it.

regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | December 16, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

To be fair, mydog and mrscrotums nailed it as well.

Look, the post isn't gonna update for BB when there aren't any games. So comment on this - biggest disappointment, biggest positive and expectation at this point in the BB season. And commence firing upon each other in the context of basketball or race and basketball or basketball and past statements. I don't care. But list one negative, one positive, one expectation for season first. I can't wait for the wapo any more.

regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | December 16, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

HughG,

Has Fargo clocked you in the 100 meters?

Posted by: petecard | December 16, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Okay, HughG, Here is my crack at your request:

Biggest Disappointment: We are off to a worse start than last year and appear to be a bubble team at best.

Biggest Positive: Jordan Williams is a real star and leader and Stogins is going to be a great player too.

Expectation for the Season: Garo will be justifying our mediocre performance with more of his blather. We don't make the Sweet 16 again! I HOPE I AM WRONG. REMEMBER THIS.

Posted by: petecard | December 16, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Biggest Positive: Stoglin / JW

Biggest Disappointment: Losing to BC at home

Expectation for season: Top Half of ACC and we just make it in the NCAA

Biggest Surprise: Parker?

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 16, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Biggest Positive: Our less heralded newcomers like Stog's, Hawk and Weis. Also JP's growing confidence.
Biggest Disappointment: Free Throw shooting and not winning at least one of our 4 losses. Also, not seeing Parker get more minutes...he looks good in his limited action...and his defense didn't look awful.
Expectation: Lots of improvement in January with a nice win streak towards the end of the season. NCAA Tourney appearance with my prediction of how far we advance at that time. Also, JW's confidence at the FT line seems to be building..I look for him to not be a liability there.

and finally a Fact: A younger mydogsnameisdixon was timed at 4.5/40...but I'm Italian descent and it may be due to the fact that my oily skin cuts down on drag.

Posted by: mydogsnameisdixon | December 16, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Look at who the responders are! No haters in this group. Waiting for you to weigh in HughG.

Posted by: petecard | December 16, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

good call on Parker. If I was to do my surprise, its the Hawk. The guy has made a lot more plays in the paint and missed more shots than I would have expected - pretty stroke on the misses though. Although maybe I'm assigning any number of skills to him based I have seen of players of his background....you know from Europe....wait was that racist? ohhh, sorrysorrysorry, Icouldntresist.

I guess my big disappointment was tht in the loss to BC was that GW did not go into the bench bigs. Moreso JP than BW and HP.

Positive: JW. Raw talent in the newbies.

Expectation: Enjoying the BB season - i don't KNOW where we're headed, but I'm going to enjoy the ride. We don't QUITE bubble in (leaving enough space for March intraboard sniping) meaning that we're in, we don't know where, resume supports it but we're not shoo-ins til late in the season. I don't expect to spend much of it ranked, but we'll be at the dance.

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | December 16, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

As I mentioned in an earlier post, 1/9-1/15 we have a three game stretch that is awesome: at Duke, at Wake, at Villanova. That stretch could make or break our season. If we win a couple of those games it might provide a major boost. If we win one or none we may still have a chance but it will be difficult.

Posted by: petecard | December 16, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Petecard, that was a really strange comment. Other than mydogsnameisdixon, only the haters have responded to HGR's question: you and Terp"fan". Waiting for the other haters (epdaly and caphillterp) to weigh in with a screed against Gary, Friedgen, and all things MD.

I haven't really made many predictions on here in a while--other than us beating NC State and Torrey Smith going off on his last home game as a Terp (both of which turned out to come true) and the general prediction that we'd have a good football season (while petecard was comically predicting a 4 win season).

My only prediction right now is that I think Pe'Shon will continue to show that he is the best player from this class. For the box score followers who don't watch most of the games (you know who you are, Petecard), I can see why you think Stoglin is the best bc he puts up the most shots and therefore scores more...which shows well in the box score. But for those that actually watch the games, it's pretty clear Pe'Shon is a future star. Very physical player for a guard, great ball handling skills, probably our best passer, a solid jump shot, and he's already proven he is clutch with the game winner over College of Charleston. He, along with several others, need to work on FTs but I don't see that being a long term problem, except for maybe Jordan.

So I guess this is my prediction: no matter what success we have this year, Petecard will try to diminish it in any way he can, and at some point he will return to his lunatic ways, calling for Gary Williams to be booted from the university. That's my lock of the year.


Posted by: Barno1 | December 16, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

barny...since you are puffing about your predictions, I noticed you omitted your lock that we would NOT be in the military bowl

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 16, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Barno - are you kinda equating this to the EH/GV tandem? - not that PH/TS should be compared to those two yet. But thats kinda the way I'm seeing them. No, TS cannot assist like GV could at this point but TS as a shooter (who can't pass like GV at the same point), PH as a passer first (who might be on par with EH at the same point).

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | December 16, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

ahhh - i got caught up in comparing one of them to GV. Shouldn't do that.

Still I see more EH in PH than in any of our other players. Actually what I am looking for is Blake. I saw Blake in EH and I see Blake in PH.

mydog - what was the context of the 4.5/40 time - track meet? FB tryouts? HS/College?

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | December 16, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Hugh, Pe'Shon does possess the same kind of elite court-vision that Greivis had. You can see it with his no look pin-point passes in traffic. Both freshmen have the kind of confidence GV had early on.

But Stoglin, at about 5 ft 10 (I don't care what he is listed as, he is not 6 feet) isn't really comparable to GV, who was a legit 6 ft 6.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 16, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

hgr- It was an unofficial clocking in H.S.
Actually, my sport was baseball and we were playing around to see who was the fastest on the team.

Barno- I love how they list the heights of the players. I remember going to the Fanfest tent during the ACC Tourney in Charlotte one year. They had an advertised "life size" cut-out of N.C. State's Archie Miller. I'm 5'11" and his likeness had me by 3 inches. I'm sure he couldn't have been taller than 5'9"!

Posted by: mydogsnameisdixon | December 16, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

68 teams get in correct? and 35 are auto-qualifiers? 33 at large? Anyone know the split?

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | December 16, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

This is truly a rebuilding year, so I am going to try not to be too disappointed by losses. Flex obviously needs work. And too many forced passes/shots inside. Stoglin vs Howard, jury is still out for me but Stoglin's 3-point shot may swing it if he improves. Gibbs will add to the competition next year.

Posted by: MrScrotums | December 16, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

double beeps. who knew the wapo was updating?

c ya on the new threads.

Regards -
-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | December 16, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

MrScrotums, good points. I do think it's a little early to call it a rebuilding year tho. We could have easily won those games had we hit free throws...which tells us we already have what it takes to win vs almost anybody. And as we've seen the past several seasons, we have started off slow in the non conference schedule only to pick things up once ACC season gets into full swing. This is typical of Gary's teams. Vasquez was absolutely terrible early on last year and some fans were ready to throw in the towel on the season (see any number of Petecard's posts from that time..and the year before). But Gary's teams almost always get better and stronger during the course of the season. Let's wait til at least until several games of ACC play before we start calling this a rebuilding year.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 16, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Barno, I was thinking of it being a rebuilding year only in the sense of losing key players from last year and having an influx of new talent to learn Gary's system. I'm real excited about this team, especially with the way they stayed in the game with the ranked teams and could have won. That's why I'm not too disappointed with the losses. They are already a force to be reckoned with, and should only get better. I like the fire I see in the freshmen, and JWill is a beast. Next year should really be something, especially with Faust joining in.

Posted by: MrScrotums | December 16, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

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