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Posted at 8:08 AM ET, 12/ 2/2010

Notre Dame, West Virginia, South Florida and Maryland's bowl hopes

By Eric Prisbell

Dig through your closet for the musty Skip Holtz mask. Start bellowing “On the Banks of the Old Raritan” today – don’t wait.

Let’s start with the simple, then proceed to mind-numbing bowl permutations: If you want Maryland to play Notre Dame in Orlando’s Champs Sports Bowl, root for South Florida to beat Connecticut and for Rutgers to beat West Virginia on Saturday. There is no guarantee that Maryland will play in Orlando, but there is a greater chance of it occurring if West Virginia is playing in a BCS game or if it closes the regular season with a disappointing loss.

And here is why:

The Champs Sports Bowl has the third selection among ACC teams. The winner and loser of the ACC title game – Florida State/Virginia Tech – are presumed to go to the Orange Bowl (winner) and Chick-fil-A Bowl (loser). The decision by Champs is expected to boil down to N.C. State vs. Maryland, a large fan base vs. a compelling redemptive narrative.

With the Champs Sports Bowl, the ACC team’s opponent is slated to be a Big East team, but once every four seasons Champs can select Notre Dame instead. In the view of executives and officials I have talked to, Maryland’s best chance of getting to Orlando is if Notre Dame is the opponent because the Irish’s national brand name would somewhat offset the need for an ACC team that travels exceptionally well. What’s more, if Champs chooses West Virginia, that would be a blow to Maryland’s chances because all of the feedback I’ve received indicates there is an ACC push to avoid regular season rematches.

So you want Notre Dame in Champs. Why would it happen or not happen?

While it is hard not to pick Notre Dame because of the national brand, Champs may roll the dice and want to wait to for a slightly better Notre Dame team to come around the next few years. That’s a risk. Or, if West Virginia beats Rutgers on Saturday (WVU is a three-touchdown favorite), the Mountaineers finish 9-3, two games better than the Irish, and might be a more tempting choice for Champs than a slightly better than average Irish squad. The key word is might.

If WVU beats Rutgers in that noon game Saturday, then root hard for South Florida to beat Connecticut. If South Florida wins and West Virginia wins, the Mountaineers earn the BCS invite and are out of the equation, enhancing the likelihood of Notre Dame going to Champs. If South Florida loses and WVU wins, the Mountaineers might be a tempting pick for Champs. And if WVU somehow loses, it is much less desirable after an unexpected loss.

Now, is there a chance USF could sneak into Champs and derail Maryland’s hopes? Sure, theoretically. But those I’ve talked to believe Champs taking USF over Notre Dame is a real long shot. There are other possibilities and more Big East permutations to explore, but I refuse. Until the conference gets Texas Christian, it is difficult to watch this football league. Just hold your nose and pick a champ already.

Now let’s consider if Debbie Yow scores one over Ralph Friedgen and N.C. State winds up in Orlando. All signs, somewhat surprisingly, would still point to Miami going to the Sun Bowl in El Paso, Texas, which has the fourth overall ACC pick.

After that comes perhaps the only person who would be able catch a free-falling Fridge and stop him from landing in frosty RFK Stadium: Will Webb. He is the executive director of the Meineke Car Care Bowl in Charlotte. Would he pick Maryland or a middling Clemson team that travels well? That’s the question.

Nashville has maintained a crush on North Carolina for the longest time. All indications are they want the Tar Heels in the Music City Bowl against an SEC team.

Up next, Shreveport, La., and the Independence Bowl, which would be the doomsday scenario for school officials at Maryland. Maryland stands likely to lose money on all these bowl trips except for the one to RFK. But they likely would lose the most money for the Independence Bowl. Few fans would travel. And getting there is a chore. (Georgia Tech has already been penciled in by many.)

After that, of course, is the Military Bowl and a matchup against a 6-6 East Carolina team. Which leads us back to Skip Holtz, who used to coach there. This is worse than bracketology. My head hurts. Time for an Advil.

By Eric Prisbell  | December 2, 2010; 8:08 AM ET
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Comments

Eric...please explore this "travel well" issue a little more. Next time you do some reporting on this, could you please ask the "unnamed bowl representatives" the following questions: 1) What does "travel well" mean? 2) Given that bowls mandate ticket purchases by each school, why is "travel well" used a decision making criterion? 3) How far back in time does "travel well" apply? MD have "traveled well" to Orlando in the mast, more so that NCSt has to Orlando in the past. 4) If local economic impact is part of "travel well," how does 10-15K MD fans impact the economic landscape of Orlando (while simultaneously subtracting economic impact from wherever MD fans leave)?

I have a suspicion that there is no rhyme or reason as to why these bowls select who they do. The bowl execs use faulty decision making criterion, literally using issues that don't matter. As you stated, MD will lose money on every bowl it attends save the MB in RFK; so clearly MD officials are using faulty decision making criterion, too. The bowls love this because it gives them power. Their reps get to wear their putrid jackets around, get feted at every locale they visit on "fact finding" trips, and get interviewed by media around the country. What a scam.

Posted by: WheelsRI | December 2, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Come on,man! Notre Dame will be a huge draw this year and any year. Book your plane tickets now...MD vs. ND in Orlando!

Hgr- Dave Pearman. What happened to Dave Pearman? Why is he no longer on the team?

He is enrolled at Salisbury this year.

Nice win last night on the road. JP looked good, and our defense was excellent in my opinion.
The students chanting, "sweat Gary sweat" was old, but I did get a kick out of the kids behind the ESPN announcers with their fake mic pretending to interview each other.

Posted by: mydogsnameisdixon | December 2, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Maryland is headed to the "Anacostia Bowl" aka "Blue Plains Bowl" aka "Toilet Bowl" aka Military Bowl.

Posted by: waterboard | December 2, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Eric,

What about the possibility that Maryland declines the Military bid...if it comes to that. Would they then go to the Hunger Bowl...i.e. switch places, presumably, with BC? BC played in San Fran last year so could that work out? While MD would probably still lose money on that venture they would at least be playing a much better opponent...either Boise St or Nevada...something that would get more attention nationally and be good heading into next year. What are the chances of this happening?

Posted by: ferraridoug | December 2, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

"Travel Well" is a reputation that Maryland does have. It doesn't matter whether or not it is true.

Posted by: jeadpt | December 2, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Will Pearman's transfer count against graduation stats for BB? I guess I was hoping we'd either get another big outta either Goins (goins, gone) or Burney and missed his leaving.

A thought on DG - how tall is he? He appears to be significantly bigger than LM but maybe its just the way he plays. Loved the production we got out of him and Padgett last night...and BW in his limited minutes.

In terms of bowl, I hate to be too RMOG about this but I believe the perception of MD in all the bowl selectors' eyes would have been far better with a 21 or 14 point win over NCST. Dunking the FB through the goalposts is guaranteed to make ESPN highlights but is always a boneheaded move. LOVE Torrey Smith, and no doubt he had a game for the ages, but don't like the condoning of an automatic penalty because of stellar play. The last impression of the game is not of a dominating win, but of a critical 4th and 1 in a close game. That comedy of errors post dunk might have really cost us. Hope not, just sayin'.

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | December 2, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Liz Clarke is sleeping in after a late night return from State College, but since there is no TI posting about the BB game last night, here's mine:

My feeling about last night’s game is that it was a really fine performance by the Terps against a very flawed team. It did look pretty ugly at times and we showed some of our warts, but it is a road win to build on.

Best thing: Defense. We showed great energy and we also used great judgment in our decisions on who to play and who to back off of. I know it’s easy to focus on Battle and we did a good job on him (7 of 21- 2 0f 9). But it was really great to see the shots we gave to some of their other guys who just wouldn’t take the open look. Perhaps a good deal of our success was their bad shooting, but we also showed tenacity and teamwork. JW did a great job of coming out to help and getting back. We held them to only 6 assists and they had twice as many TO’s.

Worst thing: Our point guard play. I am really concerned about Bowie. I am hoping Stoglin continues to develop and loved the way the JW was giving him some on-court coaching after some mistakes. It is critical that we improve in this area.

Other comments: Got to be happy with the play of Mosely, Gregory and Padgett. Take the early travelling calls out (not worth crabbing about) and our TO’s weren’t so bad. Our shooting was just okay and Tucker clearly had an off night. JW made only 3 of 9 FT’s, twice missing both in 2-shot situations (that’s the same as a TO except the other team got a foul). They had only 9,000 in a 15,000 seat on-campus arena. We showed poise early on in falling behind 7-0 and not letting it get to us.

Now, Temple in the BB&T. THIS IS A BIG GAME.

Posted by: petecard | December 2, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Nice win by a young team! It was good to see JW on a couple of fast breaks in the 2nd half...Dino, Stoglin, Howard and Padgett had nice 2nd halfs also....not sure what the refs were trying to prove with all the travelling calls in the first couple of mins but what the heck!..All in all a nice road win!

Re: Penn State...I havent seen a team shoot that horribly from the field since the old JT Georgetown teams from the 80s..

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 2, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Prisbell is a jerk. His sentence in life is that he has to live with himself.


Posted by: jake177 | December 2, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

I'm starting to think Prisbell has some sort of vested interest in Maryland going to the Military Bowl. He has flip flopped all over the place quoting various "bowl officials" saying that Maryland is a shoe-in for the MB then the Champs Bowl, then the Music City Bowl... And he has made outlandish claims regarding how well "NC State" travels. If they travel well Eric, why weren't they loading up the upper deck of Byrd Stadium with that ridiculous "wolf pack" hand gesture when their season was on the line.

The school does not care about profitability for the bowl matchups. They want a big name bowl against a reputable team. If they cared about profitability, they would scrap athletics all together. There are like 15 schools in 1-A that turn a profit.

Prisbell HAS to be a UVa alum or Duke alum or something.

THERE HAS TO BE AN EXPLANATION FOR THIS!!!

Posted by: IReadTheBaltimoreSunWhenIWantToReadGoodSportsWriting | December 2, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

BTW...the Baltimore Sun mentioned that pre-game some of the PSU fans were taunting UMD with Len Bias / cocaine ....anyone hear anything about that?

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 2, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

NCST DOES NOT TRAVEL WELL. Who started this garbage. The stats prove they don't

Posted by: JDB1 | December 2, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Prisbell is a Rutgers alum, and while I think his analysis this season has certainly been shoddy, I don't think it's because of a bias against MD. He does root for MD to win because he knows that makes them a better story. That said, he has been over the top in his proclamations that we're headed to the Military Bowl--backtracking WELL after most of his readers realized how unlikely the Military Bowl was. Poor analysis? No question. Bias against MD? Doubtful.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 2, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Has anybody told PSU's team that you are awarded points in basketball by putting the ball in the basket and not through yardage gained on the ground? Penn State: Stick to football!

Posted by: aviscardo | December 2, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

UMD can't even fill their stadium even with crazy promotions such as 4 seats 4 dogs 4 drinks for $65.00. What makes you think they will travel anywhere?

Posted by: pitrott | December 2, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

I am hoping for Orlando because it is a warm and it won't interfere with my Winter Classic tickets.

Also, the ND matchup would be great for the game at FedEx next year and really give the team something to focus on during the offseason.

Posted by: garrett4 | December 2, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

JW coaching up Stogs was kind of a highlight moment for me. The great ones help everyone around them on the court - vivid memories of Bias coaching Massenburg, Dixon coaching Nicholas and Baxter guiding Wilcox.

Anytime you can hold a D1 team to <40 pts. then you have played great defense. I'm actually 100% unconcerned about CT. He took a lot of good shots that did not fall and NEVER let up defensively. Having the goose-egg early will prevent it from happening later on in the season.

In terms of PG - I think the answer is going to be the hot hand from among AB, TS & PH. AB remains the starter, but GW figures out during the game who will be the finisher. And clearly having combos of two of the PGs on the court at the same time has worked extremely well for this team thus far.

Beat Temple.

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | December 2, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only one that doesn't understand nor like the lack of BB postings by the WaPo reporters on the site?

Posted by: petecard | December 2, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Thanksgiving weekend = no students are on campus, many season ticket holders are out of town = 35,000 for last game of the year.

As far as the attendance in the beginning of the year... The Terps were coming off an AWFUL 2009. The attendance will rebound if the team rebounds.

Posted by: IReadTheBaltimoreSunWhenIWantToReadGoodSportsWriting | December 2, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

"Am I the only one that doesn't understand nor like the lack of BB postings by the WaPo reporters on the site?" -Peter the Hate

yes

Posted by: Barno1 | December 2, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

UMD can't even fill their stadium even with crazy promotions such as 4 seats 4 dogs 4 drinks for $65.00. What makes you think they will travel anywhere?

Posted by: pitrott | December 2, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

UMD filled their stadium with about 50K fans 12 days ago. last weekend was thanksgiving weekend, the students were all away. If they had been there, the attendance would've been well into the 40,000s.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 2, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

When the heck did NC State get "a large fan base?"

Posted by: Section505203 | December 2, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Barno, on the question of if Prisbell has an anti-Maryland bias all I can tell you is that the consistently snide tone and style of his posts regarding the bowl game situation betrays something somewhere. Perhaps he is writing to please editors or others he has to operate around who are arrogant jerks so he has to prove he is "sophisticated" or some such thing. I have found it offensive and quite revealing.

Posted by: jake177 | December 2, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

BTW...the Baltimore Sun mentioned that pre-game some of the PSU fans were taunting UMD with Len Bias / cocaine ....anyone hear anything about that?

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 2, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

The Washington Post mentioned that as well (i have the hard copy in my hand), but someone at the Post decided to delete any mention of the Bias comments in the online edition.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 2, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

"Am I the only one that doesn't understand nor like the lack of BB postings by the WaPo reporters on the site?" -Peter the Hate

yes

Posted by: Barno1 | December 2, 2010 12:39 PM

Gratuitous garbage

Posted by: petecard | December 2, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Nothing like a relaxing vacation on the beaches of Florida to help set the mind at ease. Not to mention talking Terps football and bball with RATIONAL people and not some of the nut-jobs (ahem, Fargo1 and fans of Fargo1) on here.

Good to see Fargo1 is still up to his old copy/paste antics trying to look all big and tough by reposting others old posts.

Keep up the good work Fargo1. But while you're at it how bout you do this:

1) Repost your post where you said that the Terps would never go 2-10 under Fridge

2) Repost your post where you said that if Duke beat MD (last year) in football you'd never make a prediction on here again.

C'mon big boy let's see those posts.

Gotta love the double-standard Fargo1 lives by. It's okay to save peoples posts to a word document to use at a later date but he somehow conveniently forgets all of his own moronic posts.

Of course we won't go into his posts about the 2009 Washington Redskins and Jason Campbell and Vinny Cerrato.

But that's Fargo1 for ya, master of race-relations, what is and isn't "pc" and just utter-boobery. I bet Fargo1 is the type of guy who actually gets offended and upset when people say "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas."

Also, can't wait to get back to the MD-area in mid-December. Gonna head out to the Terps bball game when they play NJIT. Should be a cakewalk. May even head over to one of the college bars by Knox for old times sake. Shame petecard can't make it or I'd buy him a drink or 2. Same goes for Hugh.

Alright off to the pet-store, the dog needs some new squeaky balls. Ruff, Ruff!!

Posted by: DixonTheDog | December 2, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Yeah it's funny isn't it pete, Fargo1 loves to revel in the idea of "one-upping" others by throwing old posts back at them.

Yet Fargo1 seems to forget the double-standard and all of his pathetic posts and "predictions."

I'm sure he's busy right now copy/saving these posts to his word documents to bring up at a later date. That or email them to The Post to try to censor other peoples 1st Amendment Right to Free Speech.

Posted by: DixonTheDog | December 2, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

What could be worse than playing in the Military Bowl?

Playing in the Military Bowl and losing.

If the Terps do actually go there and up sleep on East Carolina they'll lose.

Another if....... if UMD doesn't sell their allotment of tickets for the game because everyone is pissed at not going to Orlando see what that does for the "travels well" reputaion.

Posted by: BaltimoreBuc | December 2, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Once again, Poopy McPoop inserts himself into the conversation with weird lies and innuendo that don't have anything to do with the topic at hand.

Poopy, how's that screen name doing for ya? Oh, that's right...you got banned! Lol.

"Repost your post where you said that the Terps would never go 2-10 under Fridge"

No one thought we'd ever go 2-10 under Fridge, not even you tough guy.

"Repost your post where you said that if Duke beat MD (last year) in football you'd never make a prediction on here again."

First of all, that was the Rutgers game not the Duke game. Second of all, my only prediction on here this year was "having a good feeling" about the NC State game. Oh yeah, what a nerve posting that "prediction."

Sad that after 4 years and thousands of comments to these blogs, Poopy has yet to make a relevant point, despite all his efforts.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 2, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

dixonthedog/poopymcclown

why are you bringing up Barno1 not thinking we'd ever go 2-10 under Fridge? You seriously going to claim you thought MD would ever have a 2 win season under Friedge prior to last year? Um, no one thought that.

Don't be that guy.

Posted by: terp4lifer | December 2, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

DixTDog -

I'll meet you in CP at Bentley's or Town Hall if you prefer. let me know the time/date. No travel plans through the new year (still local).

I do not do the Cornerstone as a matter of principle. I want to remember the Vous in all its glorious nastiness and foulness. I know if I ever set foot in there, I'll think "So, this is the Vous now..." and it will be a mental image that erases the memory of either leaving the bar or descending to the area that abuts hell - the bathrooms at the Vous. Still makes me shudder thinking about it.

Did you get the game on ESPN2 last night or was there something more local on in SoCal? Your thoughts on the team (BB)?

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | December 2, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

They will go 2-10 and (sub).500 Fridge will be on his way out just in time for Christmas. So long fat *ss, thanks for the 1 good season 10 years ago.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | July 26, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Nice prediction

Posted by: Barno1 | December 2, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

"But those I’ve talked to believe Champs taking USF over Notre Dame is a real long shot."

The fact that you had to talk to people to realize that would never happen is absurd and shows exactly why you are terrible at your job. ND is a national brand, USF is nothing, why do you need someone else to tell you that?

Posted by: nford2 | December 2, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Yeah it's funny isn't it pete, Fargo1 loves to revel in the idea of "one-upping" others by throwing old posts back at them.

Posted by: DixonTheDog | December 2, 2010 1:59 PM

I give you exhibit A for why PoopyMcPoop belong in a mental institution:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/terrapins-insider/2010/03/maryland_comeback_falls_short.html

read the first 15 or so posts, all of which are Poopy_McPoop copy/pasting other people's comments in an attempt to "one up" them--the very same thing he is hypocritically attacking me for.

Ah, Poopy...he just can't make a relevant no matter how hard he tries.


Posted by: Barno1 | December 2, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Prisbell is symptomatic of the Post's "Anti-UMd" bias. His reports constantly have a negative tone when referring to my favorite turtles.

Does anybody remember the week long "expose" on how far the Terps BB had fallen? And at the end of it all, the report simply showed that Gary Williams does not partake in "dirty recruiting" or dealing with some of the shady AAU types. The article aimed to embarass UMD but all it did was strengthen the convictions of the fan base that believes in ETHICAL recruiting.

The post claims that they report UVa/VaTech because of the large fan base in the DC/Metro area. If that argument held true, why do we not hear about Rutgers/Pitt/Penn State/Ohio State?

Post Sports Section without Thomas Boswell/Wilbon/Kornheiser etc... Falling fast!!!

Posted by: IReadTheBaltimoreSunWhenIWantToReadGoodSportsWriting | December 2, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

When the heck did NC State get "a large fan base?"


Posted by: Section505203 | December 2, 2010 1:20 PM


Maryland would probably have a larger fan base too except for the fact that you are permeated with juvenile name callers like Barno1 and his followers..I tune in here every once in a while for the utter hilarity of Maryland fans ripping each other apart like a bunch of kids....I am not a Maryland fan but if I were, the only reason I would go to a game is to pour a drink on Barno1's head!

Posted by: HoyaSaxa98 | December 2, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Iread -

Schmuck, Cowherd and others at the Sun get on my nerves. But they definitely have better coverage of MD FB & BB and of course, the Os. Sometimes they have better coverage of the Skins (the benching McNabb episode dominated newspapers and sportswaves everywhere). Their posters are rank amateurs howver compared to this lot.

I don't miss Kornheiser - he jumped the shark in the 90s and Wilbon has always underwhelmed. The late Shirley Povich and Boswell I'll give you credit for though.

That said, you picked a great screen name.

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | December 2, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the insightful comments Kovacik. MD's attendance issues are all my fault. Yes, it all makes sense now.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 2, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: HoyaSaxa98 | December 2, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Poopy_McPoop/DixonTheDog/HoyaSaxa98,

yes we can see that you are all the same person. Would you do us all a favor and please only post comments under one name from now on? Creating new names to post under, to create the illusion that more people think like you, is about as lame as it gets.

Posted by: terp4lifer | December 2, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Maybe if there weren't so many Hoya fans in there area, UMD would have a larger fan base. Oh wait, I can't remember the last time I saw a Hoya fan.

Posted by: garrett4 | December 2, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

IReadTheBaltimoreSunWhenIWantToReadGoodSportsWriting - you honestly think that the Post has a UVa/VaTech bias in its reporting? I'd love to see your stats on that one - those of us that are UVA fans (which admittedly have some stinky sports teams right now) would love it if we got 1/10th of the coverage that Terps get. I think you should be thrilled with Terps coverage generally - ours is never "above the fold".

Posted by: SabrinaDaddy | December 2, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

BTW...the Baltimore Sun mentioned that pre-game some of the PSU fans were taunting UMD with Len Bias / cocaine ....anyone hear anything about that?

Posted by: TerpfanMA | December 2, 2010 10:28 AM

The diamondbackonline has an article on this and PSU tasteful fans on Facebook.

Posted by: mydogsnameisdixon | December 2, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

IReadTheBaltimoreSunWhenIWantToReadGoodSportsWriting - you honestly think that the Post has a UVa/VaTech bias in its reporting? I'd love to see your stats on that one - those of us that are UVA fans
--------

Sabrinadaddy, how are you supposed to show "stats" on the UVA bias? And why are you commenting on a Terps blog? Beat it nerd.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 2, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Real programs that sell out their stadiums do the same even during thanksgiving weekend when schools out of session. Thats how you get a rep as a fan base. Consistnet ell outs, consistent bowl crowds. MD football does not travel well, this is not new news.

0% chance WV loses to SYC, UCONN, and RUT in the same year.

Posted by: Stu27 | December 2, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

if Champs chooses West Virginia, that would be a blow to Maryland’s chances because all of the feedback I’ve received indicates there is an ACC push to avoid regular season rematches.

Just curious on where this came from. It was fine to play WV twice in the 2003 Gator bowl but not today? The ACC has had the same Commissioner for 14 years. So what has changed?

Posted by: bwilson2 | December 2, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bwilson2 | December 2, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

In 2003 both teams were a bit better and both conferences had better national showing. WV and MD were both ranked by the time the bowl was played. Thats not the case this year. MD has been up and down and hasn't won the big conference games and WV has lost to teams they shouldn't in conference. Add to that the horrible national showing by both the ACC and BE and this rematch becomes very unattractive to a bowl thats high in the pecking order for both conferences, its still possible however.

Posted by: Stu27 | December 2, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

+ Back then ND had a tie in w/ the Gator Bowl stating that they could take an eliglble, 6 win or something ND team over a BE team. They took ND in 99 and in the 03' bowl the year before so they coldnt take ND, that prob helped figure in to it and allowed the runner up in the ACC and BE to meet up.

Posted by: Stu27 | December 2, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

stu27, yes you pointed out the differences between the 2010 Terps/Moutaineers teams vs the 2003 teams. What you didn't do was explain what that has to do with the ACC not wanting any rematches this year.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 2, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I pointed that out to because nobody wants to watch a rematch of teams from the two worst AQ conferences in football. One of which that wont help sell out the stadium.

Posted by: Stu27 | December 2, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

The ACC can want or not want whatever they want but it comes down to the Champs bowl officials that make the call. Not the ACC officals or ADs. Unless they decline an invite which wont happen.

Posted by: Stu27 | December 2, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

OK. Terps don't "Travel well"
If I'm willing to pay to go somewhere to watch my Terps, why am I not able to get seats other than endzone?

Posted by: jmcm1 | December 2, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I pointed that out to because nobody wants to watch a rematch of teams from the two worst AQ conferences in football. One of which that wont help sell out the stadium.

Posted by: Stu27 | December 2, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

The problem is, aside from putting ND in the game, the Champs Sports Bowl doesn't have a choice, and these two conferences are locked into this bowl for another 4 years, as the Gator Bowl was locked into it for nearly 10 years. The fact that both of these conferences don't play a single bowl on New Year's Day, yet the Big Ten and SEC play in THREE different matchups on January 1 is proof enough that the two are at the bottom of the AQ pecking order.

Posted by: Russtinator | December 2, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Finally, Barno and I agree on something. Beat it, UVa nerd.

Posted by: caphillterp | December 2, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

I so tired of using the 'it was a holiday weekend, or students were away' excuses for Maryland's lack of attendence..It 'IS' what it 'IS'..Maryland fans are fickle, and only show when they win on a regular basis.. Guess they didn't have the same holidays in Alabama, or Oregon last week..Those stadiums were packed, holidays or not...As for the bowls, if the Terps drop all the way down the pecking order to the Prisbell Bowl at RFK, I say find another bowl that a conference doesn't have enough bowl eligible teams, and go there....

Posted by: frostanna | December 2, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

UVA has fans? When has any sporting event ever sold out in Charlottesville?

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | December 2, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

UVA has fans? When has any sporting event ever sold out in Charlottesville?

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | December 2, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

If you ever see a Penn state game or just about any SEC school game, you know what travel well means.

teh university of Md would not sell out a neutral site game in Baltimore unless it was against Navy. Those big football schools where it is football or nothing travel. if they only get 20K tickets, 40K fans still show up.

Posted by: simplewords999 | December 2, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

simplewords999:

Funny you mention PSU football. I saw them play at Alabama in September, and they filled 2.5 sections of the upper deck at Bryant-Denny Stadium, which seats over 100K. When Alabama fans came to Norman to play OK a few years ago, 20K fans showed midweek, most in their RVs. Alabama...yes...travels well.

I also happened to see PSU play ILL this year in Beaver Stadium, on homecoming no less. The stadium wasn't full. On homecoming. It looks like PSU fans are a lot like MD fans: they don't fill the stadium when the team isn't winning.

This entire talk of "travel well" is so lame. It simply doesn't matter how well teams travel, if anyone can even define the nebulous concept of "travel well." I think it's code word for "successful." The Bowl reps don't want to use that word because they don't want to offend any school in case of a future bowl invite. Md fans sure "traveled well" when they went to the Orange, Gator, Peach, and Champs Bowls. They sure "traveled well" out to San Jose a for their Final 4 run several years ago. They even travel for soccer and lax games.

I can tell you this: BC doesn't travel well even to Chestnut Hill; yet for some reason the Emerald Bowl in San Fran wants them? I bet there are more MD alums in the Bay Area than there are BC alums. There's no logical explanation for this, and clearly facts don't matter (Dwight Shrute: FACT...MD drew larger crowds to Orlando than did NCST). It comes down to the bowls getting who they want because that's who they want.

I'll probably go to the Military Bowl if that's where MD plays. I won't be happy about it, but I can hang out at the Hawk & Dove for a few hours before the game. And I can get away from my wife's family...even if I have to dress warmly. A bowl in DC or the Pinstripe Bowl in NYC...worst ideas ever.

Posted by: WheelsRI | December 2, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Way tooooo much information for an irrelevat TOILET BOWL....YAWN !!!!!!

Posted by: GRIMReaper55 | December 2, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

I don't know about the rest of you, but this Terp fan travels well. When flying, I put my shampoo in <3 oz. bottles, in a 1-qt. ziploc bag. When I ride in the car, I hardly ever get carsick, and only stop to pee when I need gas. I travel better than NCSU fans.

If the Terps play in Orlando, I'll be there.

Posted by: SmittyATL | December 2, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Although I understand the principle of why folks are upset about potentially going to the military bowl, I think people are overeacting a bit. A football game at a historic venue such as RFK would be kind of cool, I think. I just wish the opponent was a better team. We should just be happy with a successful season, because quite honestly 95 percent of the non-BCS bowls are garbage anyways.

Posted by: H1Dynasty | December 2, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Wow is this entire comment section a "clique", got one guy using 3-4 names to post others with fart joke humor,man oh man if it weren't for my wife and Norman Chad (both UMD grads) I would think my state school put out generations of morons,oh wait they do,and people worry about the athletic departments graduation rates,I'd be more worried about some of these graduates----YIKES. You would think after 4 to 12 years worth of college so one could earn his degree the "High School Act" would have left this clowns but sadly no. Ok first UVA,are you friggin serious, A: your school is in Charlottesville which is in the middle of nowhere about 3 hours from DC,you haven't had any teams of notice in,---let's day---damn near forever, so the fact that you get ANY coverage is in itself a small miracle and a likely tribute to Thomas Jefferson,VATECH,might as well be in NC,but with the strong military presence in the area and the fact that your football team has been very,very good for years speaks volumnes and explains your coverage. But Maryland, campus is what 10 minutes from DC,I am in total agreement the lack and lame coverage in the Post is inexcusable,when I was much younger every Maryland Football & Basketball event was covered totally and in it's entirety,from practice, to injuries,updates,and game coverage second to none,but then-----this, WAPO what the hell happened? But let's be honest the Sun's Maryland coverage has and will always remain to be superior to the Post's,they are the Sate paper and Maryland is the State school nothing else to say. And yes I travel well also,I time my restroom breaks with gas fill ups and get food then too,knocks hours off of every trip and drives my wife nut when I won't pull over for a "pee" break, there is a time and place for everything and THAT is a waste of GOOD TRAVEL time habits.One more thing Orlando doesn't have a beach genius it is in the middle of the state,Disney--check,hotels pools---check,beaches ---- NOPE!

Posted by: mfowler1 | December 2, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Maryland is now ranked in the ESPN Power Rankings Top 25.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings


This couldn't hurt our case for Champs Bowl since according to the bowl's athletic director, it's down to MD and NC State. NC STate is nowhere in among the 33 teams that received votes. While Navy is 31.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 3, 2010 12:09 AM | Report abuse

From a half empty Byrd Stadium to a half empty RFK Stadium...perfect symmetry. The Terps don't "travel well" in DC, why would anyone expect them to do any better in a bowl game?

Posted by: howjensen | December 3, 2010 7:10 AM | Report abuse

Every year that Maryland BEATS NC State and both are bowl eligible....it seems as though The Wolfpack gets to go to a better bowl. It is common knowledge that bowls take whether a team "travels well" into consideration. This sucks!!!
The college game should be more about competition than about money. These guys worked VERY HARD to get where they are and they deserve to be paid for those efforts. I live in NC and I have rooted for The Terps for over 48 years. It sickens me to think that they may be overlooked for a lesser team....especially one from this rat-butt state. Handing the better bowl to an inferior team is just unacceptable.
God Bless the Terps and screw NC State.

Posted by: AliveStillKickin | December 3, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

rat-butt? If you hate it so bad feel free to leave. Or wait, your actually probably stuck in Wake County Penitentiary for another 5-7 years so nevermind. Maryland is a really good team, but until people start going to games they're going to keep getting a bad reputation, which is definitely not good for recruiting.

Posted by: ncsustudent | December 5, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

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