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Posted at 5:03 PM ET, 01/22/2011

POLL: More reason for optimism after Maryland beats Clemson?

By Matt Bonesteel

Maryland hung on to defeat Clemson, 79-70, less than two days after a poor showing against Virginia. After the win, what do you think of the Terrapins now?

By Matt Bonesteel  | January 22, 2011; 5:03 PM ET
Categories:  Men's basketball  
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Got shaky there at the end, but they pulled it off. Good win. Go Terps.

Posted by: SirPelleas | January 22, 2011 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Lack of guard play, and a solid compliment to JW from either the 3 or 4, will continue to hinder the Terps...

Posted by: frostanna | January 22, 2011 6:14 PM | Report abuse

This is a huge week for the Terps. Need to beat UVA and GT to rack up some ACC wins. Both games are difficult, but winnable. Go Terps!

Posted by: TerpFan2001 | January 22, 2011 7:44 PM | Report abuse

On the plus side, perhaps JWs FT% will ensure that he stays at UMD vs NBA....


Gritty win today!

Posted by: TerpfanMA | January 22, 2011 7:48 PM | Report abuse

The team sure picked a good game to start hitting some free throws.

Posted by: acebojangles | January 23, 2011 12:31 AM | Report abuse

The team sure picked a good game to start hitting some free throws.

Posted by: acebojangles | January 23, 2011 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Really only two good things: We won and we made most of our free throws down the stretch.

But it was an ugly win against a team that is not very good. It shows that we just are not that good. I don't see improvement although I was pleased with Stoglin's play yesterday. IMHO he is well ahead of Howard.

We were out rebounded and had only one blocked shot and 3 steals. We committed only 13 fouls and made only 16 assists. One word: lethargic.

We did shoot pretty well. Go figure.

Posted by: petecard | January 23, 2011 10:15 AM | Report abuse

What do these 43 schools all have in common?

Mich St., Kansas, UNC, Duke, UConn, UCLA, Arizona, Texas, Florida, Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Louisville, Memphis St., Villanova, Xavier, Pitt, Illinois, WVA, Kentucky, Gonzaga, Okla. St., Tennessee, Syracuse GTown, BC, LSU, Ohio St, GTech, Alabama, Davidson, Vandy, Washington, Davidson, Texas A&M, So. Illinois, Stanford, USC, Purdue, Wake, NC St., Butler, St. Joes, Oregon.

Over the last 7 years they all have better NCAA Tournament records than Maryland. So who are we kidding if we think our record is so great. There is only one word for it: MEDIOCRE.

Posted by: petecard | January 23, 2011 10:43 AM | Report abuse

St. Joes, Oregon and NC State are actually just below the Terps, so take them off the list. Sorry, clerical error. Terps are #41, not 44.

Posted by: petecard | January 23, 2011 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Is this poll a joke? Optimism? One fortunate, squeaked out, home court win over a mid level team is NOT a reason for optimism!

It's still a bad team that can't shoot a lick, with a dinosaur coach.

Posted by: tonymo | January 23, 2011 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Is this poll a joke? Optimisim! Because of a squeezed out, home court win over a middle of the conference team?

This team still can't shoot a lick, and the coach is a dinosaur in today's game!

Posted by: tonymo | January 23, 2011 12:07 PM | Report abuse

tonymo, why is not surprising that the guy who wants Gary Williams replaced at MD can't figure out how to post a simple message on an internet blog without re-posting different versions of the same comment?

Petecard, why stop at only looking at the last 7 years? If you're striving for the most negative possible viewpoint of the state of the program, just look at the NIT years only and remove all the NCAA seasons. That way, you can say MD never even makes the NCAA tourney, just look at 2005, 2006, 2008 as proof...

Posted by: Barno1 | January 23, 2011 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I smell some lack of playing together!!!If anyone tivo the game you will pick up on the disgust in jw..He is saying hey guys help me out...Gary team needs tp play like a team...Hope you agree this was not the same team that played there hearts out vs vill and duke..

Come on Man

this season is really starting to worry me...I am sure there will be bunches of acc tourney seats available

Posted by: carolina1 | January 23, 2011 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Barno, You know that I have NOT called for GW to be fired in what, two years? I have actually defended him as a coach. But you just can't seem to handle or realize that 7 straight years, going on 8, is a long, long time. We have not been good. 40 programs have been better. If we don't make the tournament this year that will mean we missed it in 4 of 8 years. Facts. That is all I am providing here.

Posted by: petecard | January 23, 2011 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Petecard, some of those teams have fewer overall tourney wins than we do, so your stats are faulty to begin with. Never mind the fact that I never said you called for Gary to be fired (I said Tonymo wanted Gary replaced).

Posted by: Barno1 | January 23, 2011 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Madieu Williams for the Walter Payton award? Go M. Williams.

Regards-

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | January 23, 2011 6:36 PM | Report abuse

My wife just asked "are you going to be poopy mcpooping?" which is how she refers to any time spent on the TI. "No," I answered, "I already pooped.".

Regards-

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | January 23, 2011 6:43 PM | Report abuse

That made me laugh.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | January 23, 2011 6:47 PM | Report abuse

HGR - I think you're in the running for post of the year.

Posted by: SirPelleas | January 23, 2011 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Tourny records are only ONE way of rating a program..to be fair, I would put the quality of MD ahead of a number of the programs on the list...victories over #1 ranked teams is another...conference championships would be another as would national championships...it would be hard to argue that MD hasnt surpassed most of the schools on that list over the last 10 years if those measures are used


In the meantime: Go STEELERS!! F- The JETS!!!!

Posted by: TerpfanMA | January 23, 2011 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Tourney records are only ONE way to measure a program....Final 4 Trips, National Championships, Victories over #1 ranked teams, conference titles are others and MD would replace most of the schools on that list if other measures are used...


In the meantime: Go Steelers...F@@@ the Jets

Posted by: TerpfanMA | January 23, 2011 7:37 PM | Report abuse

My wife just asked "are you going to be poopy mcpooping?" which is how she refers to any time spent on the TI. "No," I answered, "I already pooped.".

Regards-

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | January 23, 2011 6:43 PM | Report abuse
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Definitely Post of the Year so far. Made me laugh out loud HGR

Posted by: fushezzi | January 23, 2011 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations! I am delighted that the Terps won.

However, I was disappointed in the effort. We were up by 14 points, and then just barely managed to win.

Our free throw % is just unacceptable. Our 3 point scoring is anemic, and our turnovers are just too painful to watch.

I am disappointed that we aren't using our bench properly and effectively. Moses has been ineffective, as has Gregory.

We need to play Padgett, and the other freshmen/sophmores.

I sure do hope we recruit some GOOD talent to support Jordan Williams.

Posted by: mi6-007 | January 23, 2011 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Barno, how many more years should we wait for Gary to turn the program BACK around, 10-15 years??? He got paid for the early years and great job he did. But, he has blown it for 7 years and it doesnt look like anything is changing soon. If youre happy with always hoping to get into the NCAA's and losing early in both the ACC and NCAA tourn, year after year, then you are not a true MD fan, you are a Gary fan.

MD basketball should be ranked in the Top 20 EVERY year, and going deep into the NCAAs Almost every year. If you are happy with any less, then you are definitely ok with Gary as your coach!

Remember, all those stats you list Sweet 16's, Nat Champ., where mostly done with one group of guys, what has he done since?

Posted by: cm88 | January 23, 2011 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Tourney records are only ONE way to measure a program....Final 4 Trips, National Championships, Victories over #1 ranked teams, conference titles are others and MD would replace most of the schools on that list if other measures are used...

Posted by: TerpfanMA

I'll give you conference titles and even throw in national rankings (Top 25) Terpfan, but wins over #1 ranked teams is silly. How many conference championships have we won in the last 7 years? 1? ACC Tournaments? 0? Top 25 rankings? We had a great 3 year run from 2001-2003. It was wonderful. But in the last 11 years that is it!!! In the last 7 our well has been dry. Zero Sweet 16's. I have a detailed spreadsheet of virtually all of the major programs year-by-year for the tournament. Our record in the last 7 years stinks.

What is the one thing that keeps us from being better? Talent... th

Posted by: petecard | January 24, 2011 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Talent... the lack thereof. Our recruiting is dismal.

Posted by: petecard | January 24, 2011 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I was in the building on Saturday, and it was just one of those really strange games. It felt like the Terps were in total control the entire game, but you looked up at the scoreboard with under 5 minutes to go, and Clemson was within 6.

I really didn't understand why Gary went to the 3-2 zone near the end of the game, beacuse it really opened up the lane for Booker and Grant, which resulted in a couple of and-1s that probably wouldn't have happened in the man to man. I was equally befuttled that Clemson didn't play a single possession of zone defense. If I'm a Tiger fan, I want to know why they refused to play zone against a team that has proved time and time again that they can't shoot 3's with consistancy, and dont' have sets that are effective against a collapsing 2-3 zone. Brad Brownell should be docked a paycheck for his coaching job on Saturday.

Gary finally came to the realization that Mosely is not playing good enough right now to start on this team. Sean did seem a little more engaged when he came into the game, but he is still a lost player on the offensive end.

The guards actually penetrated in this game. It's the first game against a real team where they were consistantly looking to get into the lane. The penetration of Bowie, Stoglin, and Tucker was doing a really good job of opening the lane and pulling the double away from JW. It looks like Gary actually put in a gameplan that would have been effective against a zone had it actually been thrown at the Terps. Bowie needs to take a look at the tape of this game, and see how effective he can be when he's driving the basket. Even though he dribbled himself into a couple fo turnovers, his aggressiveness led to far more possitives than negatives in this game. Pe'Shon Howard, however, was the only guard not looking to penetrate. He looking like he was worried about making a mistake, and then eventually made one (the pickpocket at midcourt). If he wants minutes, he needs to play with more confidence.

If the Terps continue to play the way they did Saturday, they should be able to get to 10 wins in the conference. The FT shooting down the stretch was pretty impressive with Bowie's front end miss and Tucker's purposeful miss at the end the only gaffes in the final 4 minutes. The one thing I didn't understand about the end-of-game decisions was if Gary wanted Tucker to miss the second, why he also didn't instruct the team to foul immediately since the team still had a fould to give. Stitt would have never had a shot if someone fouls him before the balls gets across midcourt.

Posted by: Russtinator | January 24, 2011 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I'll give you conference titles and even throw in national rankings (Top 25) Terpfan, but wins over #1 ranked teams is silly. How many conference championships have we won in the last 7 years? 1? ACC Tournaments? 0? Top 25 rankings? We had a great 3 year run from 2001-2003. It was wonderful. But in the last 11 years that is it!!! In the last 7 our well has been dry. Zero Sweet 16's. I have a detailed spreadsheet of virtually all of the major programs year-by-year for the tournament. Our record in the last 7 years stinks.

What is the one thing that keeps us from being better? Talent... th

Posted by: petecard | January 24, 2011 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Actually, the Terps won the ACC Tournament in 2004, which took them from a buble team to a #4 seed in the NCAA tournament.

Also, you fail to mention the fact that the Terps are money in the first round of the NCAA tournament. The Terps haven't lost a first round game since 1997. They've been a little unlucky the past couple of times in the NCAA. Last year's loss to MSU, might have been a trip to the Final Four if that buzzer beater doesn't go in, in 2008-09, they ran into a buzzsaw of a Memphis team that sent 4 players to the NBA, and in 2006-07, they lost a close one to a scrappy Butler team that was on its way to being the most dominant mid-major program of the past 5 years.

Posted by: Russtinator | January 24, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Petecard overlooking Terps bball accomplishments? Never!

Posted by: Barno1 | January 24, 2011 11:30 AM | Report abuse

I am not and probably never will call for Gary to leave, but there are a couple of disappointing trends with UMD basketball. #1 has to be the failure of many players to develop and get better over their 4 years. Bowie is just no better than he was as a freshman, he just plays more. Moseley is actually regressing, at this point, I see him only marginally better than he was as a frosh, and he is way behind where he was last year. Tucker had a good game, but he is still woefully inconsistent. This is a team without a floor leader and it shows. Recruiting is only part of the issue, if players aren’t developing it is difficult to sustain a high level of play throughout the years.

The #2 trend is in game management, the decision to deliberately miss the first free throw with 3 seconds left was puzzling to say the least. Our ability to fight through cold stretches and protect leads could be the biggest problem on the year. For a team that starts 3 seniors, that should not be such an issue.

I still think that we can make the tournament, but that statement is made way too frequently the past 5 years. Really that is the established goal now, just making the dance. I remember the days of “I hope we can finally break through the sweet 16 this year” and it’s kind of disappointing now. When taken in the context of how poor the conference is, it does make me wonder what is going on.

Again, I am not saying that Gary should go, I am merely stating some frustrations at the current (but consistent) state of the program.

Posted by: terpape | January 24, 2011 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Ape makes some good points, though I am a Gary for Life guy.

Posted by: jpfterps | January 24, 2011 12:04 PM | Report abuse

The #2 trend is in game management, the decision to deliberately miss the first free throw with 3 seconds left was puzzling to say the least. Our ability to fight through cold stretches and protect leads could be the biggest problem on the year. For a team that starts 3 seniors, that should not be such an issue.

Posted by: terpape | January 24, 2011 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I think it was the right call to have Tucker miss the second shot at the end. Also, there were 1.2 seconds left on the clock, not 3 seconds. If that miss, which was perfectly executed, did not take that really strange bounce, Clemson would have had to touch it and the clock would have run out without getting a shot off. I do think, however, that Gary should have instructed the players to foul after the inbounds, because they had a foul to give, which would have likely run out most, if not all the time without allowing Clemson a shot.

I do think some of Gary's in-game decisions have been questionable this year. He has been terrible at getting the players to adapt to changing defenses, and appears to be grasping at certain points of the game trying to find a combination of players that can be successful. The VaTech game seemed like a slot machine with the combinations of players he was throwing out there, going all the way to Mychal Parker, but leaving Weijs on the bench.

As far as his player development, I think you're dead wrong about your evaluation of Gary's ability to develop players throughout their career at Maryland. Bowie (his development this year is still a story to be written I think) and Mosely are the exceptions to the rule in this program. Mosely looked poised to have a breakout season, and he definitely progressed from his freshman to sophomore campaign. Perhaps Barno is onto something, because as a new father myself, I know it certainly can be stressful and exhausting. Of other players that have been through this program, aside from perhaps Travis Garrison, there is not a single one that you can point to that has not make a dramatic improvement from their first year to their last. Gary took a 6'7" small forward/swing guard, and turned him into a serviceable ACC center (Dave Neal). He took two uncoordinated JUCO forwards and turned them into rebounding machines in 2 years (Jamaar Smith and Bombale Osby). He took an overweight forward who could barely finish a shuttle drill to the best front line player in the country (Jordan Williams).

Do you need more examples? I'd really like to know who you're talking about when you're referring to players than have not developed in Gary's program, because there just aren't any.

Posted by: Russtinator | January 24, 2011 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Russ,

Agree on the Neal point. No better example than him for a player development story, though you could ask, “why should UMD ever need him to play 30 minutes a game?” For my points here are 5 guys from the last 10 years who really did not develop from what they were. I am not using current players:

1) Ekene Ibekwe: Stats went up only because minutes went up. Same problems senior year as freshman year- terrible hands, turnovers, decision making, free throws.
2) Mike Jones: For what he was hyped to be, his career certainly a disappointment. Was always an excellent 3 point shooter including his frosh year, never became ANYTHING else.
3) Danny Miller: I should not need to elaborate here. McDonalds all American.
4) Parrish Brown: Yes, using players that didn’t get much PT is probably unfair, but this guy got worse his second year and did nothing on a team desperate for backup guard play

Can’t believe I am writing this because I loved the guy but…

5) Eric Hayes: Had some big moments yes, but overall a remarkably unspectacular career from the guy who was advertised as the next Blake. Could hit big shots, but rarely took them. Near identical production from sophomore to senior year. I liked his game and he was a great teammate, but always got the feeling that he never was used properly.

Posted by: terpape | January 24, 2011 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Barno and Russinator,,,we are all MD fans, but are you guys really happy with how the program under Gary has regressed over the past 7 years? Do you think we are in a good place right now? Does the future look any better?

This is Gary's program, so it all rests with him. And it/he is failing.

We can nit pick over players/stats etc.,,,but the fact is, we have the best recruiting backyard in the country, yet we "hope" to get into the NCAA's every year, we lose early in the ACC tourn, and the NCAA tourn. And you are right, we won the ACC tourn in 2004 because of one players crazy run, if he hadnt done that, we would have been NIT bound again. Point being, we should NEVER be a bubble team, MD Basketball should always go into the ACC tourn competing to win and know its going into the NCAA's as a higher ranked team. Neither has been true for years!!! Gary is failing, there is no other reason! He accomplished a ton of his STATS with one team and one group of players,,,thats the truth.

Posted by: cm88 | January 24, 2011 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Barno and Russinator,,,we are all MD fans, but are you guys really happy with how the program under Gary has regressed over the past 7 years? Do you think we are in a good place right now? Does the future look any better?

This is Gary's program, so it all rests with him. And it/he is failing.

We can nit pick over players/stats etc.,,,but the fact is, we have the best recruiting backyard in the country, yet we "hope" to get into the NCAA's every year, we lose early in the ACC tourn, and the NCAA tourn. And you are right, we won the ACC tourn in 2004 because of one players crazy run, if he hadnt done that, we would have been NIT bound again. Point being, we should NEVER be a bubble team, MD Basketball should always go into the ACC tourn competing to win and know its going into the NCAA's as a higher ranked team. Neither has been true for years!!! Gary is failing, there is no other reason! He accomplished a ton of his STATS with one team and one group of players,,,thats the truth.

Posted by: cm88 | January 24, 2011 1:18 PM | Report abuse

PS,,,how much longer should we give Gary to get this program as a steady contendor, another 5-10 years??? Seriously, when is enough? We feel 7 years now going on 8 years, is long enough!

Posted by: cm88 | January 24, 2011 1:21 PM | Report abuse

there are a couple of disappointing trends with UMD basketball. #1 has to be the failure of many players to develop and get better over their 4 years.
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Ape is another from the ever growing barno/jpfterps/aviscardo/fushezzi/h1dynasty/joemama Terps crew. He likes to stir things up and did a good job with this last post. I have a hard time believing he seriously thinks Gary has a disappointing trend of not developing players. You can say a lot of things about Gary Williams, but a trend of not developing players is obviously not one of them.

Jordan Williams is light years ahead of where he was a year ago, Vasquez last year went from good player to ACC player of the year. Milbourne went from 2 points his freshman year to a 1000 point scorer over his career. Eric Hayes became the best 3 point shooter in the country and a very solid offensive player. Dave Neal went from perhaps the least talented player in the ACC to the starting big man on a ncaa tourney team who played great D and was a consistent offensive weapon. DJ Strawberry went from out of control player who couldn't score consistently to save his life, to first team All ACC and the leader of a 25 win team.

The list goes on and on and you can extend it to some of his bench players as well. Hawk Paulson already looks better than he did a month or two ago. Berend Weijs has been the most improved player on the team since camp began. Gary's players always develop over the course of their 4 years. Sure, Bowie appears to be the one lone exception to this rule, but let's not pretend there is some kind of disappointing trend forming as far as players not developing.

Posted by: Barno1 | January 24, 2011 1:39 PM | Report abuse

I'll take on those 5...

1. Ibekwe did not improve as much as his initial trajectory would have suggested. He came in as a pretty highly rated player out of California, but a lot of that hype was based on potential. He always struggled with his jumpshot, even in his senior year, but did manage to find some consistancy between 12-18 feet. He also developed a couple of really good post moves, and was a significantly improved defensive player when he left. The few games he got minutes his freshman year, he couldn't defend without fouling. By his senior year, he was one of the best shot blockers in the ACC. He also struggled through injuries throughout his career that stymied his progress.

2. Mike Jones was from the National Championship recruiting class, and probably did not progress as much as people thought when he came in as the #2 SG behind LeBron James. Jones did improve significantly defensively, which is why he saw very little court time his first 2 years. Gary does not tolerate players who are only willing to work on one end of the floor. He never developed the ability to create his own shot, mostly becuase he had a pathetically slow and predictable first step. He might have benefitted from some of the techniques the staff now uses with the team like yoga and strength/agility training. I cannot argue with the fact that he never reached the potential that he came in with, but he still progressed over his time at Maryland, and not just in number of minutes. He, along with Chris McCray were able to lock down JJ Reddick on more than one occasion.

3. The story on Danny Miller's progress is really difficult to measure because he never finished his career at Maryland (transferred to ND). He looked like he was going to be the next Mike Dunleavy after the Final Four. Miller should have broking out in 2000-01, but lost minutes to Byron Mouton. Mouton played tenacious defense, and had that extra spark that Danny never had, and not something that can be tought. I think if he had stayed for the NC run, you would have seen an improved player that would have made that 3 spot even more solid.

4. Parrish Brown is a bit of a stretch. He was never highly recruited like Steve Francis, Jamaar Smith, or Bombale Osby out of JUCO. He was a backup point guard that never reallygot a chance to develop in Gary's system. He was stuck behind signed to fill the void left by Gilchrist in 2005, but was behind Jones, Ledbetter, McCray and Strawberry in the backcourt in 2005-06, and behind Hayes, Vasquez, Jones, and Strawberry in 2006-07. I guess you can't turn every lemon into lemonade.

5. Eric Hayes will always stand in the shaddow of Steve Blake, but he became a solid player at Maryland. He showed flashes his freshman year, but once Gary realized he was not as effective at the point as Vasquez, his numbers fell off. Hayes was never a great defender, but he did improve his senior year.

Posted by: Russtinator | January 24, 2011 1:45 PM | Report abuse

We can nit pick over players/stats etc.,,,but the fact is, we have the best recruiting backyard in the country, yet we "hope" to get into the NCAA's every year, we lose early in the ACC tourn, and the NCAA tourn. Posted by: cm88 | January 24, 2011 1:17 PM | Report abuse

"Best recruiting backyard in the coutry" according to who? Maybe 5-10 years ago, but not right now. DeMatha is ordinary since Wooten retired, and the rest of the DC HSBB scene is pedestrian. The private schools are producing talent, but just because they play nearby, doesn't mean Maryland has a geographic advantage, because so many of those players come from different parts of the country. Gary, with the help of Chuck and now Bino, is starting to put a bit of a lock on Baltimore. Mosely was the Baltimore City player of the year in 2008, and Nick Faust is likely to earn the same title this year. There are only 3 scholarship openings on the roster at the end of this season, and Gary has locked them up with one of the highest rated local players (Faust) and another highly regarded guard (Gibbs). He's working on finding a forward to fill out the class, but Bobby Cremmins pulled a fast one on Gary taking Baru, and some other potential recruits are waffling.

Does everyone forget that the two years in a row that Gary had top 10 recruiting classes those are the players that were the first to miss the NCAA since 1992? Does everyone else look at the ACC standings over the past 7 years and see which team is CONSISTANTLY in the top half of the conference every year.

GaTech went to a Final Four in 2004, and has been struggling to do better than a 1st round NCAA exit ever since. They've had McDonalds All-Americans and NBA draft picks, but haven't sniffed a sweet 16 since 2004.

Wake Forest hasn't been to a Final Four, or even a ACC Title game, since Tim Duncan despite loads of NBA lottery picks. They fired their coach for not getting further in the tournament, and look where they are now.

UNC has been fueled by two recruiting classes during the Roy Williams era, and have 2 Championships for their trouble, but wher have they been since the 2009 title? 5 McDonalds All-Americans, and 2 more coming next year, and Roy is looking at another disappointing year after not even losing in the NIT title game last year.

Duke is the only consistant performer outside of Maryland in the ACC. Even Coach K had a couple of down years when Wojo was PG, yet he turned the Blue Devils into another title team last year.

I'm definitely not happy with the performance of this year's team, and I think they've left more than a couple wins on the floor. However, getting rid of Gary is not the answer. He's finally got Yow out from under his skin, and has certainly earned some leverage. The Terps would have to finish under .500 overall or miss the NCAA 2 years in a row before I'd suggest letting him go.

Posted by: Russtinator | January 24, 2011 2:08 PM | Report abuse

"Does everyone forget that the two years in a row that Gary had top 10 recruiting classes those are the players that were the first to miss the NCAA since 1992? Does everyone else look at the ACC standings over the past 7 years and see which team is CONSISTANTLY in the top half of the conference every year."

Russ, these are 2 of the things I always point out to the complainers. 1) Gary does better with mid level recruits than blue chippers, history has shown as that repeatedly. 2) In the past 7 years, the so-called awful years for MD basketball, we have the 3rd best record in the ACC in that time span...so it must not be that bad.

Posted by: Barno1 | January 24, 2011 2:57 PM | Report abuse

What people don't seem to think about is who is going to coach this team better. Look at all the "hot" young coaches that got promotions over the past few years. How many have made significant progress? Anthony Grant is struggling at Alabama. Jeff Capel is a disaster at Oklahoma. Brad Brownell just lost to Gary. Stan Heath is floundering at USF. Sean Miller is starting to bring Arizona back, but he's still a long way off. There are many more...

The most successful young coaches right now are at established programs. Jay Wright, Jamie Dixon, Matt Painter, Billy Donovan, and Mark Turgeon. Those guys aren't going ANYWHERE. If you try to tap the mid-major ranks, you're chances of hitting are about 30/70. Just look at the rankings right now. Pretty much every team in the top 10 has a coach with a reasonably long tenure (over 5 years).

#1 Ohio State--Thad Matta since 2004
#2 Pitt--Jamie Dixon since 2003
#3 Duke--K since 1980
#4 SDSU--Steve Fisher since 1999
#5 UConn--Calhoun since 1986
#6 Kansas--Bill Self since 2003
#7 Texas--Rick Barnes since 1998
#8 'Nova--Jay Wright since 2001
#9 Syracuse--Jim Boeheim since 1976
#10 BYU--Dave Rose since 2005

What am I trying to say with this? Basically, for everyone who wants to get rid of Gary because he teams have been "medicore" in the past 7 years, you have no idea what mediocre is. Mediocre is what Wake, GaTech, UVA, Miami, FSU, NCState, VaTech, BC, and Clemson have been the last 7 years. Mediocre is what 90% of college basketball teams have been over the past 7 years as they're in the tournament one year and last in their conference the next. Sure, you could bring in a new coach, but chances are, the Terps will be terrible for at least 2 years, and may take another 10-15 years and 3-4 more coaching searches before they finally find someone that can hold a candle to Gary.

There are too many mediocre college basketball head coaches out there for Maryland fans to be thinking they should get rid of one of the 50 best college coaches of all time. A coach like Gary comes along once in a lifetime, and fans should enjoy him while he's still here, not trying to find a reason to show him the door. A new coach guarantees nothing but the probability of not even qualifying for the NIT and finishing dead last in the ACC. That's not what I want to see, how about you Gary haters out there?

Posted by: Russtinator | January 24, 2011 5:15 PM | Report abuse

You guys that think JW is leaving after this season are high on something. I like him and he is improving faster than any of his teammates, but he isn't ready for the NBA. He'll be back for his Jr year after that he may take off.

We need to see some improvement in the underclassmen like JP. I worry about the lack of depth in the front court. A decent team but we can't beat anybody in the Top 30. GW is a geart coach but his recruiting is suspect. Need these next two wins, doable.

Posted by: Redtopper2 | January 25, 2011 4:55 PM | Report abuse

You guys that think JW is leaving after this season are high on something. I like him and he is improving faster than any of his teammates, but he isn't ready for the NBA. He'll be back for his Jr year after that he may take off.

We need to see some improvement in the underclassmen like JP. I worry about the lack of depth in the front court. A decent team but we can't beat anybody in the Top 30. GW is a geart coach but his recruiting is suspect. Need these next two wins, doable.

Posted by: Redtopper2 | January 25, 2011 4:55 PM | Report abuse

If he's a projected lotery pick, he's gone. As it stands right now, he's probably a bottom of the 1st round guy, but if he continues to post double doubles on a consistant basis, his stock will continue to rise in an league that can always use more front line players. I do think another year of seasoning and time to work on a consistant mid-range jumper (he's tried to show it off the past couple of games with disasterous results), he could become a top 5 pick. He is going to be compared a lot to Dejuan Blair, and I think Blair's success this season as a starter in San Antonio will have a lot of bearing on how the NBA view a guy like Williams (undersized, stong, low-post player). JW's decision to jump will also depend a lot on the lockout situation, and I hope he has enough intelligent people around him if there is no labor deal by the pull-out date. A similar situation was brewing at the end of the 1994-95 season when Joe Smith was racking up double doubles through his sophomore season, and no one else in the country distinguished themselves that year, making Smith the defacto POY and #1 pick in the draft. The NBA Draft is a little different now with teams drafting a lot more on potential, so it's unlikely that even a POY-type performance from JW down the stretch will push his stock higher than guys like Irving, Sullinger, Kantor, Selby, and Barnes.

As far as front-line depth, it could be a problem next season if JW leaves. Padgett will become the man, and while I think he will definitely improve if he is given consistant minutes, outside of him is a big question mark. Baru was supposed to be the answer, but CoC stole him, and now the Terps are working to find someone to fill that spot. Weijs would obviously take over the center spot, and Gary has shown in the past the JUCO players really flourish in their second year of being in the program. Ashton Pankey is the real question makr, and whether or not he can recover from his injury. Jerome Burney was a similar player to Pankey, and consistantly battled injury despite high promise, and never finished his eligibility because of constant injury problems.

Posted by: Russtinator | January 26, 2011 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Just a thought for you guys that think we would go down the tank if Gary left and that he is the greatest coach ever....didnt he coach at Ohio State, how are they doing lately? Are they getting better recruits than we are?

As for the recruiting backyard debate, anyone that thinks that MD/VA/DC is not the Top recruiting area in the country is just crazy. And to blame Yow for his recruiting issues is once again giving him credit for the success he has and blame someone else for his failures, he weak recruiting is well documented by Top players that went elsewhere and said he didnt try, his lack of spending and time recruiting is well documented, so we dont need to argue, Gary is a bad recruiter.

I think we would end up like Ohio State is doing, if we replaced Gary with someone that can recruit. Just my moronic opinion :)

Posted by: cm88 | January 26, 2011 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Just a thought for you guys that think we would go down the tank if Gary left and that he is the greatest coach ever....didnt he coach at Ohio State, how are they doing lately? Are they getting better recruits than we are?

As for the recruiting backyard debate, anyone that thinks that MD/VA/DC is not the Top recruiting area in the country is just crazy. And to blame Yow for his recruiting issues is once again giving him credit for the success he has and blame someone else for his failures, he weak recruiting is well documented by Top players that went elsewhere and said he didnt try, his lack of spending and time recruiting is well documented, so we dont need to argue, Gary is a bad recruiter.

I think we would end up like Ohio State is doing, if we replaced Gary with someone that can recruit. Just my moronic opinion :)

Posted by: cm88 | January 26, 2011 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Just a thought for you guys that think we would go down the tank if Gary left and that he is the greatest coach ever....didnt he coach at Ohio State, how are they doing lately? Are they getting better recruits than we are?

As for the recruiting backyard debate, anyone that thinks that MD/VA/DC is not the Top recruiting area in the country is just crazy. And to blame Yow for his recruiting issues is once again giving him credit for the success he has and blame someone else for his failures, he weak recruiting is well documented by Top players that went elsewhere and said he didnt try, his lack of spending and time recruiting is well documented, so we dont need to argue, Gary is a bad recruiter.

I think we would end up like Ohio State is doing, if we replaced Gary with someone that can recruit. Just my moronic opinion :)

Posted by: cm88 | January 26, 2011 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Just a thought for you guys that think we would go down the tank if Gary left and that he is the greatest coach ever....didnt he coach at Ohio State, how are they doing lately? Are they getting better recruits than we are?

As for the recruiting backyard debate, anyone that thinks that MD/VA/DC is not the Top recruiting area in the country is just crazy. And to blame Yow for his recruiting issues is once again giving him credit for the success he has and blame someone else for his failures, he weak recruiting is well documented by Top players that went elsewhere and said he didnt try, his lack of spending and time recruiting is well documented, so we dont need to argue, Gary is a bad recruiter.

I think we would end up like Ohio State is doing, if we replaced Gary with someone that can recruit. Just my moronic opinion :)

Posted by: cm88 | January 26, 2011 11:22 AM | Report abuse

opps, sorry about being a submit button tard

Posted by: cm88 | January 26, 2011 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Real surprising that the guy who wants Gary Williams fired can't figure out how to post a simple comment without posting it 4 times.

Posted by: Barno1 | January 26, 2011 9:01 PM | Report abuse

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