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Posted at 11:02 PM ET, 01/20/2011

POLL: What was the reason for Maryland's loss to Virginia Tech?

By Matt Bonesteel

Virginia Tech handed Maryland its first double-digit loss of the season, 74-57, on Thursday night. It also was Maryland's biggest loss ever at Comcast Center.

It's the first time this season that the Terrapins have been so thoroughly outplayed for a full game, and considering the only other time the Terrapins were so dominated was the final 10 minutes or so of the Villanova game on Saturday, it's an unsettling trend for Maryland and its fans.

By Matt Bonesteel  | January 20, 2011; 11:02 PM ET
Categories:  Men's basketball  
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"Not a chance the Terps are losing, by the way. Not a chance.

Posted by: scrappledog | January 19, 2011 5:31 PM"

Posted by: joe_hill | January 20, 2011 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Terps need to play like the BK AA's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOkRXcaWKpM&feature=related

Posted by: Realness1 | January 20, 2011 11:11 PM | Report abuse

We will see zone defenses the rest of the way. Season had so much potential, not sure we will even make the NIT if we keep this up.
Freshman guards have both taken steps back and I am not sure Gary can fix that. Wonder how much time he gives Parker as we continue to slide? We did not lose this game on poor free throws. Hard to figure out why we can't solve the zone for 33 min. and then Tucker scores 11 in a row on basically the same set each time down the floor. That was fun while it lasted and the crowd up where I was honestly thought we could come all the way back. Not to be.

Posted by: sjm3091 | January 21, 2011 12:06 AM | Report abuse

The poll left out the real reason for Maryland's loss: Maryland didn't show up. Going down 10-0 in the first 90 seconds is inexcusable. Flat out lack of effort. Forgetting about Jordan Williams was reason #2 - talk about a quiet double-double.

That was the most uncompetitive home game I've seen from the Terps in years.

Posted by: dc_attorney | January 21, 2011 12:08 AM | Report abuse

The real reason UMD lost tonight isn't in this poll.

The Terps lost because Barno didn't insult Jeff Allen's literacy vigorously enough.

Posted by: VTDuffman | January 21, 2011 12:19 AM | Report abuse

True, I didn't get in his ear til about the 10 min minute mark of 2nd and though he did travel on the next possession, it wasn't enough. I blame myself.

...did get in a good parting shot at Allen however...

http://espn.go.com/espn3/player?id=120433&league=NCAAM

1:47:55 mark

Posted by: Barno1 | January 21, 2011 1:15 AM | Report abuse

Barno,

Let's get this straight. You take more pride in calling attention to yourself and your smack talk to an opposing player than you do in your team's winning or losing.

Dope.

Posted by: JKSkins | January 21, 2011 2:40 AM | Report abuse

Agree with sjm, if anyone plays anything other than a zone against us, they're playing the wrong thing... Let me take that back, a good man to man will beat us too.. Guards can't create a thing..
I would pack the box in a zone, or play a box and one on Jordan, then see if the Terps can score. Just another typical Terps team, look great one day, lousy the next.. Or perhaps, for some reason they just didn't get up for this one.. Time for a team meeting and someone to step up and be a leader....

Posted by: frostanna | January 21, 2011 6:33 AM | Report abuse

Is it still accurate to say that Terps fans are the best in the nation, as one MD player claimed in rebuttle to the VT player who trashed them, now that they cascaded their team and fellow classmates and friends with unmerciful boos?

Posted by: lgm6986 | January 21, 2011 6:33 AM | Report abuse

@ lgm6986: I was at the game. I heard a lot of groans but the boos were mostly directed at the officials.

Posted by: dc_attorney | January 21, 2011 6:58 AM | Report abuse

As I said yesterday, we dont win games when we allow our opponents to outscore us....this is just another example....

I am less confident of making the NCAA than I was on Tuesday....

Posted by: TerpfanMA | January 21, 2011 7:04 AM | Report abuse

Calling Kevin Anderson. Mr. Anderson, please pick up the red phone.

Posted by: rdondero123 | January 21, 2011 7:31 AM | Report abuse

This team isn't going to make the nit, let alone the ncaa's.
They looked lost against the zone. So many turnovers. Did not score until almost five minutes gone in the game.
Parker got 8 minutes, but he looked lost on the floor also. Padgett showed a flash. Gary's seniors looked like excrement.
I honestly can't see this team winning too many more games. Even Longwood will play zone and make a game of it.

I work at UMd. And with morale of the workers very low due to layoffs, furlough's and no raises for four years, at least I looked forward to Gary's team playing well at home.

This morning, it's very quiet in the office.

Posted by: M20832 | January 21, 2011 7:36 AM | Report abuse

"As I said yesterday, we dont win games when we allow our opponents to outscore us....this is just another example....
Posted by: TerpfanMA"

DUH!!! Isn't that the way ALL teams lose?

Posted by: bullwinkle1 | January 21, 2011 8:24 AM | Report abuse

I dont know bullwinkle but last year we were 13-0 in the ACC when we outscored our opponents....conversely, we lost every single game when we allowed our opponents to outscore us...

Posted by: TerpfanMA | January 21, 2011 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Well I predicted a blow out but in the other direction. Give credit where credit is due - VT thoroughly outplayed us from start to finish. The lack of touches by JW was alarming and the game seemed frustrating for the TV announcers (Len Elmore was the color guy for espn) to watch.

The freshmen really played like freshmen. Sport center used the description "Road Beatdown in the ACC" to describe it. Ouch.

JP was the bright spot for the Terps. His play was reminiscent of Jamar Smith or James Gist. Am beginning to think our best starting 5 is JW, JP, HP, CT & AB. Bad loss to not that great a team at home. TS & PH were thoroughly disappointing. Nit sure why MP was on the floor last night as it was clear his defense was suspect.

Props to Delaney and Green. They deserved the win.

Regards-

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | January 21, 2011 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Is it still accurate to say that Terps fans are the best in the nation, as one MD player claimed in rebuttle to the VT player who trashed them, now that they cascaded their team and fellow classmates and friends with unmerciful boos?

Posted by: lgm6986 | January 21, 2011 6:33 AM | Report abuse

No in a utterly classless move they decided to throw food at Malcolm mother after the game was over.

Maryland fans/student body are total Garbage and a embrassment as usual.

The reason they lost is no senior leadership.

Posted by: dcinmd1 | January 21, 2011 8:39 AM | Report abuse

I'm not blaming last night's horror fest on the ref's, but I've said it before and I'll say it again...I cringe when I see that Karl Hess will be officiating our game!
It's always a bad or ugly loss, or a difficult ugly win. I can't explain it, but he seems to disrupt our flow.
I wish somebody would do a study of our record in games played that Hess was a part of.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't he part of the crew that handed our 1st Final Four game to Duke?

Posted by: mydogsnameisdixon | January 21, 2011 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Just a few random comments as it is hard to be coherent in the mood I am in and my desire to trash everyone and everything is strong.

How is it that a team in the spot the Terps were in doesn't even show up? Don't give me the "they are just kids" line.

Trepfan's comment was very funny and it is embarrassing that we have people on this board that don't understand satirical humor.

Aren't we lucky that GW gets players to stay 3 and 4 years because our seasoned guys are really making remarkable contributions. Glad they didn't go to play in Siberia early.

It's not Gary's fault. He runs a clean program and we won a national championship. He saved the program and no one else could have. The NIT is an honor to play in.

Unless KA can and will do some recruiting himself, there is nothing he can do about the state of our basketball program.

Barno, not meant to rip you, but making points for talking/shouting smack at opposing players is not something I would brag about. It really doesn't help and when we lose it makes you look silly. Let's leave the garbage to the students.

Posted by: petecard | January 21, 2011 9:14 AM | Report abuse

The reason MD loses at the core is turnovers. They run as fast as they can without regard for the turnover. Seniors still turn it over, they never learn the fine line of controlled speed. Watch Duke even freshmen seldom turn it over. Next the MD game is totally dependent on forcing it inside, resulting in more turnovers and many poor shots in the paint. Finally they seldom have an outside threat because they never develop one or never recruit one. Look at last night they were making a run and turned it over for two quick VT scores. Run over.

ESPN had an interesting comment last night. They said, Parker plays mostly on the scout team in practice and is scoring on the first team defense. No wonder he looks lost he never practices with the the team. He is inserted and looks lost, why not let him practice with the team that is going to play in games he might look better. Maybe he has not learned to run all out and throw the ball away, so he is not considered game ready.

Anyway this is normal for MD more years than not I as you know am one of the few fans who blame the coach rather than the players. Players learn to play with controlled speed, to run an offense against a zone, shoot and make foul shots at Duke but can not at MD. Either we do not recruit the correct players or do not train they properly. Both fall on the coach.

Posted by: geoski | January 21, 2011 9:50 AM | Report abuse

IMHO there are far too many reasons to give for the loss last night. Why won't our guards shoot? They look so hesitant...well except for may Stogs. But they always appear to look to pass when they could have shot...pump fakes? C'mon just shoot the rock. Tucker may have ripped off some points late but he played defense like he was asleep most of the night. If he wants to be a regular starter before the end of the season, he better bring more consistency. I didn't recognize this team last night. Painful to watch

Posted by: jbeard32 | January 21, 2011 9:51 AM | Report abuse

I know why they lost - Tech scored more points?

MD has some real soul searching to do as a school. Compete with the big boys, like we used to, or join the CAA. Can somebody over in CP make a decision please??

I do not have another 40 years to wait for a 3rd Final 4.

Posted by: reindeerterp | January 21, 2011 10:37 AM | Report abuse

At least Ralph made it to a bowl before he got fired. What awaits Gary when he goes to his 3rd Nit in 5 years??

Bye Bye.

Posted by: rdondero123 | January 21, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse

@joe_hill:

I humbly eat roadkill this morning. Congrats to the Hokies for showing up at Comcast and playing a live basketball game. I can see a top 4 finish in the league for Va. Tech.

Posted by: scrappledog | January 21, 2011 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Seems like once JWill got his first foul, he backed off from defending as hard on the inside. CT was just sleepwalking on defense as he lost Delaney a lot on picks just outside the paint which allowed easy baskets.
The Terps did not look interested in playing the game last night. No focus at all. And then the zone crushed them since they have no real outside scoring threat.

Posted by: M20832 | January 21, 2011 10:49 AM | Report abuse

2 things: 1) I was not bragging about anything, get a grip. 2) there were no boos whatsoever directed at MD players, where did that nonsense come from?

Posted by: Barno1 | January 21, 2011 10:54 AM | Report abuse

At least Ralph made it to a bowl before he got fired. What awaits Gary when he goes to his 3rd Nit in 5 years??

Bye Bye.

Posted by: rdondero123 | January 21, 2011 10:56 AM | Report abuse

As a season ticket holder going on 25 years now last night's performance confirmed my pre-season suspicions about this team. There is a reason why the 3 seniors rode the pine for 3 years. Add a couple of freshman into the mix and you are simply going to get a transition year team. No NCAA, no NIT, but if GW is smart, he somehow moves those seniors back to the bench and starts getting some mileage from the players he will need next year to complement J. Williams, Mosely, Howard, and Stoglin. Dino, Bowie, and Tucker are going to get you anything but a lot of hard work that is simply not enough.

Posted by: mmcghee701 | January 21, 2011 11:02 AM | Report abuse

This is what happens when a team "run" by Freshman guards encounters a more mature team with skills--particularly when you do not show up ready to play. This game was basically over in the first minute (0 for 5 and two turnovers). The team looked completely lost for long stretches of the game and made some of the ugliest turnovers I have seen in a long time. This version of the terps continues to be a work in progress and there will be more nights like this (and also games where they will beat a top ten team). Not sure we will be in any tournaments this season but Gary has been able to turn things around in the past and I wouldn't bet against him pulling it off again...

Posted by: terp34 | January 21, 2011 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Bowie @ the 2 + Mosely @ the 3. Really? This is our offense?? You must be joking. Every time they take a shot beyond 8 feet it makes me sick.

You want a great overview of Tucker's career? Last night's game was perfect. Here for a minute and gone the next.

This senior class has seven losses and we're still in January.

Still time to turn it around, but the glass looks 1/2 empty. GO TERPS!!

Posted by: terpcentral1 | January 21, 2011 11:10 AM | Report abuse

At least Ralph made it to a bowl before he got fired. What awaits Gary when he goes to his 3rd Nit in 5 years??

Bye Bye.

Posted by: rdondero123 | January 21, 2011 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Pretty hard to go to the NIT 3 times in 5 years considering we've been to the NCAA tourney 3 of the last 4. Please stop masquerading as a Terps fan on this blog and go back to whatever hole you came from.

Posted by: Barno1 | January 21, 2011 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Also to our newest genius on the blog Rdondero123, if you truly think Kevin Anderson is going to be able to raise the money to buy Gary Williams out, if you seriously believe that, then you ought to have your head examined dude.

Posted by: Barno1 | January 21, 2011 11:16 AM | Report abuse

My bad...NIT 3 times in 6 years. Ooops.

Hey, maybe they can get Manhatten at home for the first round?

Posted by: rdondero123 | January 21, 2011 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Agree with mmcghee701. I was encouraged by the play against Pitt and Duke, but now its looking like a very long season. Every team the Terps face will have studied the tape from Nova and VT.

Gary needs to take what he has and get them to penetrate a zone, shoot over a zone, and make FTs.

Posted by: RITerp | January 21, 2011 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Where is the choice for Bad Coaching/Recruiting?

Its time for Gary to move on, he is being out recruited every year and now out coached almost weekly. I love MD basketball more than I love Gary, and he is and has been taking the team in the wrong direction for years.

Posted by: cm88 | January 21, 2011 12:03 PM | Report abuse

That was a rough game to watch. The seniors don't play like seniors. There is a reason GW gets his players to stay at least 3 years. These players aren't that good, few in recent years have made NBA teams. Now we have a dog fight on Sat with Clemson. Lose to Clemson, season over essentially. You gotta recruit talent GW.

Posted by: Redtopper2 | January 21, 2011 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Ugh. The crazies are out in full force today. Gotta love how the Gary haters go into hiding when we win the ACC title, when he wins ACC Coach of the year, when his player gets ACC player of the year, etc...all of which occurred less than a year ago. But then, after the worst home loss in years, that's when they crawl from out from their holes and unleash their utterly clueless, out of touch with reality, delusional calls for Gary to quit.

The fact is Gary Williams isn't going anywhere folks. Deal with it. He will retire when he feels like it and there is nothing you nor Kevin Anderson can do about it. He has the overwhelming support of the biggest boosters, and this game nor this season will change that.

So please, go back into hiding where you belong.

Posted by: Barno1 | January 21, 2011 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Barno, I think Gary is an amazing coach, and I certainly don't think one mediocre season, or even one bad game should signal his departure. However, I think his performance last night was terrible. How can you not prepare a team for that game. He went into last night's game, and into the 'Nova game, knowing that a significant weakness had been revealed in the Wake Forest game (ineffectiveness against a zone defense). Gary's answer to that weakness was to continue to run flex sets and post JW up under the backboard, where he was smothered by two defenders. Not once did the Terps try throwing over the top of the zone from the perimeter (not to the post, not on baseline screens, not even an alley-oop attempt). When they tried to run high-low, the high post guy kept kicking back out to the perimeter instead of passing to the low post when the double came (a few exceptions withstanding). Gary made ZERO adjustments in the gameplan, which was flawed from the outset, and kept running the standard sets, even with the freshmen off the floor. Sure, the effort the players gave didn't do him any favors, but the kids can't be held accountable when they were given a gameplan that insured failure.

The flex that Gary runs always has some trouble against a zone defense, and it's magnified when guards can't hit perimeter shots. Gary's refusal to put in sets that can be more effective against zone defenses is going to destroy this season. I was appallled at what I watched last night, and this team has some serious work to do if they're going to finish in the upper half of the ACC this year, let along make the NCAA.

Posted by: Russtinator | January 21, 2011 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Very simple answer......NO TALENT. When Jordan leaves at the end of this year (why would he stay....for a Nat. Champ. next year?) what is coming in, absolutely nothing! So what can be done? Fire the players and bring in a new team? Nope, can't do that. It's against the rules. Fire the coach? Hey, now there's a novel idea!

Posted by: 70Terp | January 21, 2011 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I couldn't agree with you more, Russ. Criticizing Gary does not mean you are calling for his head. And Barno is right, he isn't going anywhere. There will not be a buy out. Whether he retires when he wants or not, he's here for a while and maybe he can get us back up there. Maybe he knows that this bad run, not quite so bad last year but bad for the last 7+ overall, is not the way he should leave the program. Maybe last night was an eye opener. All I know is that this is no fun. We aren't even a bubble team. We are going to have to fight to become a bubble team. Being a bubble team sucks, but where we are right now makes being on the bubble look sweet. How bad is that?

Posted by: petecard | January 21, 2011 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I agree with both of you (Petecard and Russinator). You can criticize Gary's performance for last night, it wasn't great. The entire team, collectively, stank. But he's still the only coach I'd ever want leading the Terps in a tough situation like this.

Posted by: Barno1 | January 21, 2011 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Also, when pointing to all the different things Gary tried last night in desperation, the one he didn't try was one move I thought could have helped us. Don't laugh. We needed some more Berend Weijs last night. He's got a 7 footers reach and is a great shot blocker. I think we could've used a lot of him last night and we'll need to get him more involved if we're going to have a shot in the ACC.

Posted by: Barno1 | January 21, 2011 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Gary should have suited up and played point guard - but I guess he's already used up his eligibility. Too bad, because he would be an improvement over Mosely. With only one consistent scorer on the team, the Terps can't afford the luxury of a "defensive specialist" guard that can't make a 6 foot jump shot. Bench Mosely and see what Mychal Parker can do.

Posted by: MBP1 | January 21, 2011 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Not that Mosely was playing pg, of course. He's a shooting guard that can't shoot.

Posted by: MBP1 | January 21, 2011 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Not that Mosely was playing pg, of course. He's a shooting guard that can't shoot.

Posted by: MBP1 | January 21, 2011 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Actually, Mosely plays the 3, and made a jump shot last night with his toe on the line. He just doesn't get the ball in open spots on the floor very often anymore. I think that has to do with this team not being able to run crisp sets and guards that can deliver the ball on time in a place that you can immediately shoot. I don't know how many times I've seen guys coming off flex cuts that get the ball, but the pass is so sloppy that they have to stop, and then the defender catches up leaving no open space to get off a shot.

Posted by: Russtinator | January 21, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I'd like our beat reporters to ask Mosley (or Gary) whether fatherhood as a college student is affecting his game. IF you didn't know he's a father, that's probably because no one ever reports it. He is raising a boy. That can't be easy for any college student, let alone a D1 basketball player.

Posted by: Barno1 | January 21, 2011 4:54 PM | Report abuse

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