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Posted at 11:48 AM ET, 01/27/2011

Talkin' Terps: Who is Maryland's biggest basketball rival?

By Matt Bonesteel

First off, there were some superb responses to yesterday's lunch-time topic. Keep 'em coming.

With Maryland visiting Virginia tonight, I think it's time to dig up a classic conversation starter: Who is Maryland's biggest rival in basketball?

Is it Duke? Blue Devils fans and their "not our rivals" chants sure don't think so, and there's even a Facebook page saying so.

Is it Virginia? The Cavaliers have fallen off the map a bit in recent years, with just one NCAA tournament appearance in the previous nine seasons. But Maryland and Virginia have met 172 times in the past, so there's something for that.

North Carolina? Has Virginia Tech sneaked in there? Could Maryland's biggest rival be a team -- Georgetown -- it hasn't played locally since 1993 (I'm not counting the NCAA tournament game in Anaheim in 2001 or the neutral-site game in 2008)?

What do you all think?

By Matt Bonesteel  | January 27, 2011; 11:48 AM ET
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Officially it should be UVA on paper, but UVA have not been that good the last 15 years. Duke and UNC are the "Unofficial" rivals simply because for the last 20 years, it has been Duke, UNC and UMD doing battle each year for the ACC championship...

Posted by: yeayea911 | January 27, 2011 12:04 PM | Report abuse

The past couple years it has felt like our biggest rival has been the Terrapins of the past.

Posted by: Patera | January 27, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

We're sort of out there with BC and GTech in not having a natural rival. I would love for it to be GTown, but for some reason, I think theirs, we never play.

Posted by: petecard | January 27, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Yo' mama

Posted by: SirPelleas | January 27, 2011 12:55 PM | Report abuse

"Is it Duke? Blue Devils fans and their "not our rivals" chants sure don't think so, and there's even a Facebook page saying so."

Oh well if there's even a Facebook page saying so, then that settles it...

Look, there is no question that Maryland and Duke are huge rivals. I've probably posted all this before...When the ACC expanded nearly 7 years ago, they eliminated the traditional home and home round robin where every ACC team played each other 2 times a year. Because of the new size of the league, not everyone could play each other twice. So, in order to ensure that the rivals still played each other twice, they designated 2 rivals for each team. For Duke, it was North Carolina..and who? Maryland.

Several of ESPN's highest rated college basketball games in their long history are the Maryland-Duke games, including at one point (not sure if it still is) a Duke-MD game. Ratings wise, people love seeing MD play Duke.

But that's besides the point. When asked about the Duke-UNC rivalry, Shane Battier once told ESPN that everyone always asks about UNC, but for him and his teammates, MD was always their biggest rival in college. Now obviously this is due to the fact that MD was so good while Battier was in school, but nothing has changed since then in terms of how well we play them. In fact, the 5-2 record MD had vs Duke at one point all came after Battier had graduated.

As for the "not our rivals" chant...well, MD fans actually started chanting this at Duke as well in recent years. It's a joke. Obviously we are rivals...The Cowboys are clearly rivals of the Eagles, even though their primary rival is the Redskins. Who ever said you can only have one rival?

Posted by: Barno1 | January 27, 2011 12:57 PM | Report abuse

What?!?!?!

No one thinks Miami is our biggest rival?

Pfffffffff.....

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | January 27, 2011 1:02 PM | Report abuse

** should have saiD...including at one point (not sure if it still is) a Duke-MD game WAS THE HIGHEST RATED ESPN COLLEGE BBALL GAME EVER.

Posted by: Barno1 | January 27, 2011 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Duke, but agree with earlier post, wish we would play Gtown every year and turn that into a great rivalry.

Posted by: cm88 | January 27, 2011 1:12 PM | Report abuse

True, Duke's long-time, official "rival" may be UNC. But Maryland is Duke's "nemesis."

Posted by: 20ike | January 27, 2011 1:18 PM | Report abuse

I attended a UM/Duke game at Cameron in 2007 which the Terps won 85-77. Big night for Grievis & Hayes & Co. As a Terp fan it was a tremendous experience on a number of levels, not least of which was the W. one thing i remember was that the duke people we met were all very nice, respectful, hospitable, etc (these were older folks, i didn't meet or interact w/ any students). I remember thinking that we were treated better than they likely would have been treated in CP, but whatever. Of the many people I spoke with, Duke season ticket holders mostly, they ALL sad that they have become accustomed to worrying about and wanting to beat MD more so than just about anyone else other than UNC. They were happy to acknowledge that UM/Duke has become a serious rivalry, not their biggest which is UNC, but a serious rivalry nonetheless. The goofball that made the facebook page 5 years ago doesn't belong in the conversation

Posted by: allaboutthecash | January 27, 2011 1:28 PM | Report abuse

allaboutthecash, good story. That was a big game for MD in the midst of our tear through the second half of the ACC schedule. Wish Espn didn't lose their signal late in the second half of that game...I'll never know how we looked holding onto--and expanding--our lead late in that game.

Posted by: Barno1 | January 27, 2011 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Maryland ranks behind Carolina, state and even wake as Duke's rivals.

The big four are each others biggest rivals, though the big four tourney has been defunct for 30 years...

Posted by: HankC_57 | January 27, 2011 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Maryland ranks behind Carolina, state and even wake as Duke's rivals.

The big four are each others biggest rivals, though the big four tourney has been defunct for 30 years...

Posted by: HankC_57 | January 27, 2011 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Duke, then Virginia, then UNC. If Virginia starts playing consistently at a high level, they could become our chief rival, but it's hard to have a really heated rivalry when one team is mediocre to bad every season.

Posted by: Lindemann777 | January 27, 2011 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Is this really even a question of course, it's Duke! Only one game was sold out for the rest of the season at Comcast, when I tried to get tickets, which one was it?

Yes, Duke's biggest rival is UNC, but I have to believe their 2nd biggest conference game is Maryland.

I know you didn't ask but for football it's probably FSU since that's always a home game that everyone wants to get tickets for. But UVA should be by that conference alignment thing.

Posted by: mle916 | January 27, 2011 1:53 PM | Report abuse

The fact that the Dookies feel the need to create a facebook page to express that we are not their rivals says it all...

Posted by: ebitda | January 27, 2011 2:03 PM | Report abuse

The fact that the Dookies feel the need to create a facebook page to express that we are not their rivals says it all...

Posted by: ebitda | January 27, 2011 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Maryland's chief adversary, the team that most regularly prevents them from hoisting the hardware is Duke, pure and simple. Growing up we always hated the Blue Devils and wanted to beat them more than any other team. Sure Duke-Carolina is the "Number One Rivalry in College Sports" according to ESPN, but they no longer antagonize each other the way the Terps and Devils do.

Besides, The idea that you can only have one rival is silly. By this logic Carolina vs. NCSU is not a big rivalry game, and Maryland - UVA wouldn't count because UVA cares more about beating Virginia Tech.

I would introduce to the conversation that lots of college football teams have multiple trophy games, and you would ask Iowa if they'd rather win the Cy-Hawk, or the Floyd of Rosedale? Or if Minnesota covets Paul Bunyan's Ax or the Little Brown Jug more? You want'em all!

Posted by: rodbestboy | January 27, 2011 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Maryland's chief adversary, the team that most regularly prevents them from hoisting the hardware is Duke, pure and simple. Growing up we always hated the Blue Devils and wanted to beat them more than any other team. Sure Duke-Carolina is the "Number One Rivalry in College Sports" according to ESPN, but they no longer antagonize each other the way the Terps and Devils do.

Besides, The idea that you can only have one rival is silly. By this logic Carolina vs. NCSU is not a big rivalry game, and Maryland - UVA wouldn't count because UVA cares more about beating Virginia Tech.

I would introduce to the conversation that lots of college football teams have multiple trophy games, and you would ask Iowa if they'd rather win the Cy-Hawk, or the Floyd of Rosedale? Or if Minnesota covets Paul Bunyan's Ax or the Little Brown Jug more? You want'em all!

Posted by: rodbestboy | January 27, 2011 2:27 PM | Report abuse

"Duke, then Virginia, then UNC. If Virginia starts playing consistently at a high level, they could become our chief rival, but it's hard to have a really heated rivalry when one team is mediocre to bad every season.

Posted by: Lindemann777 | January 27, 2011 1:52 PM"
-->Agreed this would be like the Ravens/Pitt with their proximity. Right now I venture to say 1)Duke 2)UNC 3)UVA 4)VTech (though this might be bigger now with USA USA and Delaney) 4)GTech?... (umm yeah its debatable after this)

Posted by: mle916 | January 27, 2011 2:43 PM | Report abuse

UMD students used to sleep in Cole Fieldhouse to get Duke BB tickets before they went to a lottery system...Rivalry or no rivalry.. one thing is sure UMD preps the best when it faces DUke and could have won this last bout if they played hard for the full 40 mins..when duke slinks into comcast this winter watch the terps .. hopefully they will come away with the W.. go terps!

Posted by: whatbull | January 27, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Duke. By and far it's Duke. Since they appear at the top of the ACC every year, they are usually the main target for the Terps every year. Duke fans feel the same. Nationally speaking, more people outside of Carolina would like to see MD v. Duke than other games, except of course UNC v. Duke.

Plus, as Barno mentioned, they're one of a few teams that we get to play twice very year. I wish we had a passionate hatred for all things UNC like when I was at MD (we used to heckle J.R. Reid like crazy), but the fact that UNC has been so up and down lately, and the fact that we only get to play them once a year most of the time has taken the wind out of thise sails. Part of what makes MD v. Duke so great is that even when we lose in Cameron, we know we will get revenge in Comcast and maybe even in the tourney. Plus, the Final Four game is still a classic in my book.

I wish we could get a rivalry going with Georgetown, but it seems like neither really wants to play the other. What's the deal? I wouldn't care if they played the game at Verizon Center, the Hoya's home court, because I guarantee that Terp fanscould even outnumber them there. Give it a fancy name, like the Battle of DC or something. Sure would beat having to play Longwood in the middle of the season...

Posted by: ecglotfelty | January 27, 2011 3:59 PM | Report abuse

It should be Georgetown, but they refuse to play at Comcast. We should be playing them every year, alternating home and home.

Maybe they could work it out so it would be a neutral site game at Verizon? I know it GTown's home court, but the reality is that no matter where MD plays Gtown in the DC area, there will be more MD fans in attendance.

Posted by: flipper5000 | January 27, 2011 4:12 PM | Report abuse

It should be Georgetown, but they refuse to play at Comcast. We should be playing them every year, alternating home and home.

Maybe they could work it out so it would be a neutral site game at Verizon? I know it GTown's home court, but the reality is that no matter where MD plays Gtown in the DC area, there will be more MD fans in attendance.

Posted by: flipper5000 | January 27, 2011 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm with the It's-Duke-but-it-should-be-Georgetown contingent

Posted by: bethesdaguy | January 27, 2011 4:21 PM | Report abuse

It's Duke. One team in the nation beats Duke regularly, no matter how good Duke is - Maryland. Duke may say they're not the Terps' rival .... but it's pretty likely that they'll be saying it while losing yet another game to the Terps.

Posted by: chop1 | January 27, 2011 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I'm with the It's-Duke-but-it-should-be-Georgetown contingent

Posted by: bethesdaguy | January 27, 2011 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Rivals and competitors are 2 different things. MD has become a competitor with Duke in recent years, but rivals they are not. MD does not have a history or other relationships with these schools to be rivals. on occasion they are worthy competitors. UVA is the most logical in the ACC, but so often UVA disappears from the competitive discussion. Yet, UVA still beats MD in games that are supposed to be rivalries.

As MD is really more of a mid-Atlantic state vs old school tobacco road, MD should have a rivalry with Penn State (in all sports) and G-town (for local basketball).

Posted by: oknow1 | January 27, 2011 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I would say that Barno hit the nail on the head on this one. The two-times-a-year schedule is the most compelling argument.

Still, wouldn't it be great if we played GTown every year?

Posted by: petecard | January 27, 2011 4:47 PM | Report abuse

For the past dozen or so years, the Duke game at Comcast/Cole has been one of my favorite days of the year...It's right up there with Halloween, Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Years Eve in my book. Last year in particular was such a great day, one of the top 2 or 3 Md-Duke games in CP. The build up is just awesome, and the atmosphere in College Park never disappoints. There are a lot of fans and alum who come down to the bars who aren't going to the game (last year Hugh G came down and hung with us at Bentleys before tipoff even though we hadn't met him before). Everyone just wants to be there to be a part of it. If you are a diehard terps fan and haven't been in CP during Duke-Day the last decade, I highly recommend coming down to CP next Wednesday to check it out. It's unlike any other day in CP all year. It's what rivalries are all about.

Posted by: Barno1 | January 27, 2011 4:50 PM | Report abuse

...used to be, way back in the day Terps vs TarHeels was the biggest rival, by far. Still love the fact that Lefty plucked Buc Williams right out from under Dean's nose!But even back then Terps hated Hoyas and Hoyas hated Terps...so much so that unless forced to, Lefty and John wouldnt even play each other on a nuetral court. Today its clearly Terps vs Dook is the biggest rival. And really has been since Dook got consistently good. But any self respecting Terp fan will still tell you they hate GTown today more than Dook, Carolina or any ACC team. And I expect the same for true Hoya fans--most hate MD more than any other Big East rivial. And of course Im sure if you ask Gary, deep down he still hates Carolina Blue more than anything in this world...(me too).

Posted by: oddjob1 | January 27, 2011 5:11 PM | Report abuse

If someone chants that you're not their rival, you are. Enough said there.

You always need a border rival and UVA fits that bill though G-Town would probably take the cake if JT III wasn't as stubborn as his father.

VT has a lot to develop with their basketball program before they can be considered a rival.

UNC could be but I see them as a team we actually cheer for because they're on the other side of the rivalry with Duke and I would rather see them win than Duke. UNC has asked the same of us (to beat Duke) in years when they were down in an article posted on ESPN around the turn of the century.

I could actually see NC State being a team that was our rival once before in the 70s and 80s and then dropped off when we did and has not yet truly come back around except for a short stint with Herb.

Posted by: DiehardTerp | January 27, 2011 5:11 PM | Report abuse

"could have won this last bout if they played hard for the full 40 mins"
-->That's true about EVERY single game they have played this year with the exception of VTech, when they were downright horrible.

Posted by: mle916 | January 27, 2011 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Duke is our rival, Georgetown isn't. If we played GTown, it would be like a forced rivalry, just because of the proximity, kind of like Orioles-Gnats.

Posted by: mle916 | January 27, 2011 5:43 PM | Report abuse

For all you Terps-Georgetown junkies, we did play G'town every year in the '70s, usually in December and wiped them up every time. It was back in the days when December games padded your record before conference play. And G'town, George Mason, etal were all on the schedule. Then John Thompson came and that was the end of that. It wasn't a rivalry then and it isn't one now.
Duke is always a good game.If you want to call a rivalry, so be it. Just as long as we win.

Posted by: terps78 | January 27, 2011 6:01 PM | Report abuse

I still dislike UNC more than Duke but CKTR was hired when Imwas at school and I remember rooting for Dawkins, Amaker, and Alarie in their FF loss. But UVA is the enemy. And even though they stink, they arevthe enemy. How many wahoos have tried to convince you they went to harvard? The school puts out pompous self important dbags whom forgotnthe day they got rejected by much better schools and had to settle for UVA. William and Mary, Duke and UNC are much better schools without the airs. And the girls are not even drinkably pretty....Nolan smith ugly at best.

I relish the futility of wahoo sports and love to see them lose at everything. No one says a schools biggest rival has to be good to qualify as a rival. Our real rival happens to stink. Georgetown could be an additional rival but a game with them at the phone booth would effectively be a MD home game.

I know too many nice folks from Duke who have sincere respect for MD for whom ONLY UNC is worth hating. Most of them root passionately for MD and NCST to beat the Tar Heels. Yes they are a rival, but also respected competition. If UNC had a run like UVAs recent ineptitude, duke would still hate them more and relish it. How sweet it was fo them that they won a NC in a year when UNC was on the NIT bubble.

Just my opinion. Although I know most of you know a few pompous and delusional UVA grads.

And I even dislike the Dave Matthews band for the mere fact that there from one of the crap holes near charLottesville.

Regards-

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | January 27, 2011 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Apologies for spell in and grammar on the above. iPad kinda subpar for posting in this board.

And if you happened to be married to a woman UVA grad, close your eyes next time you are having relations and imagine one of the reflagged from the fashion merchandising program. And hold your nose so you don't have to smell her dog breath.

Regards-

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | January 27, 2011 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Who's our rival???

Right now its everyone remaining on our schedule

Posted by: TerpfanMA | January 27, 2011 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Reflagged? Coeds. Female undergrads in the fashion merchandising school. Nevermind

Posted by: HughGRection | January 27, 2011 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Reflagged? Coeds. Female undergrads in the fashion merchandising school. Nevermind

Posted by: HughGRection | January 27, 2011 6:32 PM | Report abuse

maryland has no rivals because no one gives a damn about that third rate school in the hood.

Posted by: rev_ollie | January 27, 2011 8:27 PM | Report abuse

In the last century, it was UNC, especially in the Nickel nostril(Dean Smith)era. But now it's definitely Dook.

Posted by: NatsMan21 | January 27, 2011 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Georgetown doesn't play MD because of as I recall a confrontation betwen Lefty and Poppa Thompson back in 70's, maybe a fight in that game, so it became a mexican standoff too bad. Maybe we could keep the durants and anthonys in town if both programs played each other.

Posted by: anti1 | January 27, 2011 9:04 PM | Report abuse

It appears that UMD doesn't have what one would consider a rival.

Duke and UNC are teams that everyone in the ACC wants to beat in basketball.

VT - UVA is an example of a rivalry -- it doesn't matter if either team is good or bad, both teams want badly to win that game in any sport every time they meet.

Posted by: Benson | January 27, 2011 9:40 PM | Report abuse

IMHO, Maryland's top rivals are Duke, UNC and Virginia in that order. Virginia doesn't receive top billing due to their relative lack of success during recent years. (I don't consider VA Tech with the others due to the lack of history between them and Maryland.)

Posted by: Terptwin | January 27, 2011 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Pe'Shon needs to either be starting or getting more minutes than Stoglin. It's become more and more obvious he is the more polished player...but more importantly, the team plays better with him on the court. Stoglin is not a point guard, or at least he doesn't want to be. When Pe'Shon replaced him in the game tonight, that's the exact moment MD turned the game around.

Oh and Adriaaaaan! where have you been all my life?! Please bring that type of confidence in your game the rest of the way. If you do, this team can be a lot better than people think.

Posted by: Barno1 | January 27, 2011 10:24 PM | Report abuse

10 years ago tonight. At this very moment. We blew a 10 point lead. With 52 seconds left. At Home. Against Duke.

Happy anniversary.

Never forget. Never forget.

Posted by: Barno1 | January 27, 2011 11:49 PM | Report abuse

10 years ago tonight. At this very moment. We blew a 10 point lead. With 52 seconds left. At Home. Against Duke.

Happy anniversary.

Never forget. Never forget.
Posted by: Barno1 | January 27, 2011 11:49 PM


Can't believe that was 10 years ago already. What a bad, bad, bad, night. That game is in the back of my mind every time I tell a friend to shut up when they proclaim any game over before the last buzzer. Ugh.

Posted by: marylandarlington | January 28, 2011 12:09 AM | Report abuse

PTI was kind enough to show some video and talk about it. Ruined the show.

Posted by: petecard | January 28, 2011 9:22 AM | Report abuse

The fact that the Dookies feel the need to create a facebook page to express that we are not their rivals says it all...

Posted by: ebitda | January 27, 2011 2:03 PM
_____________________________________________

Reminds me of Ricky Gervais MC last week when he signed off, concluding the evening, his last words were,
"And thank you God, for making me an atheist"

Poor Ricky.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | January 28, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse

RedskinRay1, what does that even mean? I can't tell who you're insulting.

Posted by: marylandarlington | January 28, 2011 4:53 PM | Report abuse

"It appears that UMD doesn't have what one would consider a rival.

Duke and UNC are teams that everyone in the ACC wants to beat in basketball.

VT - UVA is an example of a rivalry -- it doesn't matter if either team is good or bad, both teams want badly to win that game in any sport every time they meet.


Posted by: Benson | January 27, 2011 9:40 PM"
-->Those are more deep rooted. And it's bit different IMHO when UVA-VTech are both in-state major public schools (closest thing for MD would be Towson State, doesn't quite compare) and Duke-UNC are located less then 10 miles apart (again, MD doens't have a comparable school).

Posted by: break20 | January 30, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

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