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Posted at 8:21 AM ET, 02/28/2011

Gary Williams’ birthday shout-out to Dean Smith

By Liz Clarke

Sunday’s 87-76 defeat at North Carolina dropped Maryland back to .500 on the ACC season (18-11, 7-7) and nudged the Tar Heels’ advantage over the Terps in the series to 115-75.

But after reviewing the myriad challenges posed by North Carolina’s exceptionally tall, skilled front line and the Terps’ struggle to erase a 12-point halftime deficit, Maryland Coach Gary Williams closed his post-game remarks Sunday with birthday tidings to North Carolina’s Hall of Fame Coach Dean Smith, who turned 80 on Monday.

“I would just like to say, ‘Congratulations to Coach Smith on his 80th birthday,’” Williams said in the arena that bears Smith’s name. “He’s one of the guys, when I was an assistant coach at Lafayette, I used to see him at camps or whatever in summertime, and he always had time t talk—not just to me, but to a lot of young coaches. So I think there’s a lot of coaches out there that all owe Coach Smith a great deal for what he did for the game and what he did for coaches.”

With the victory, North Carolina (22-6, 12-2) moved into a tie with Duke for first in the ACC standings. Maryland is tied for sixth with Boston College, which swept the Terps earlier this season.

Maryland travels to Miami (17-12, 5-9) Wednesday and concludes the regular season Saturday at afternoon at Comcast Center, hosting Virginia (14-14, 5-9) on Senior Day. Miami and Virginia are in a three-way tie with North Carolina State for eighth in the league standings.

By Liz Clarke  | February 28, 2011; 8:21 AM ET
Categories:  Gary Williams, Men's basketball  | Tags:  Dean Smith, Gary Williams, Maryland basketball, North Carolina basketball  
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Comments

That was a very nice touch by Gary Williams commenting on Dean Smith.

As for the game, the PTI "word" I would use is "pathetic." Stick the fork in this season, it's done. The only good news is that Tucker and Bowie are moving on. There were more bad and foolish plays made by the Terps last night than are worth recounting. Carolina, not Maryland, is the ACC team that just kept getting better as the season went along. The ACC will get five teams in the NCAA Tournament and Maryland will not be among them. Duke, UNC, VTech, FSU and probably, in the end, BC. So let's start this discussion: What will the excuses be for next season? Only 2 seniors and more freshmen to work into the mix is my guess. Oh, wait. Isn't that they way it is for every top program every year?

Posted by: petecard | February 28, 2011 9:20 AM | Report abuse

I am very confused why Tucker is still starting the last two games. He acts like he knows he is getting pulled and makes ridiculous decisions on offense. Maybe Gary is just trying to see which version of Tucker shows up that day?

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | February 28, 2011 10:12 AM | Report abuse

I'd say the Terps are squarely off the bubble now, and the only chance of getting a bid to the NCAA Tournament is to win the Duke Invitational. Stoglin had a monster game, but it seems this team cannot be willed to victory through just one or two players. This team needs contributions across the board, and unfortunately, the Terps just didn't get stellar efforts from Mosely, Tucker, Gregory, or Padgett. I do think JW could have played better, and he was significatly outmanned on the boards, but no one was really helping him. You would think with a front line of Zeller and Henson, and the way they were getting rebounds in the first half, the Terps would have been focussed on shutting them off, but everyone was lazy and inattentive on the defensive glass. I knew this would be a probelm, and Gary had to know that defensive rebounding would be critical, but the Terps didn't seem to make any adjustments aside from slipping into that sagging 3-2 zone, which made their rebounding even worse.

I don't understand why Gary didn't give Weijs a longer run, because it was obvious Padgett was lost out there (blew 2 dunks). JW was visibly tired, and after he picked up his 3rd foul in the second half, he could have used a few more minutes on the bench to collect himself. Stoglin was pouring in the points, so losing JW's offense wasn't too much of a concern. Weijs' defense and fouls really could have helped out there, but Gary for some reason just doesn't have the confidence in him.

Tucker needs to be pulled from the starting lineup, because he is doing more harm than good out there. It worked earlier in the season, but teams now know that when Tucker is on the break, he's looking to score, regardless of the odds, and his 3 transition TOs were inexcusable. Howard should have been given more time, and I actually think Bowie had a decent game, just not enough to make a significant difference.

After a series of great games, Dino came back to earth with some sill play, including the pass to Stoglin in the corner that brought an easy trap and TO when the Terps had gotten it down to 8 with the ball and just udner 2 minutes left. Hawk didn't get much play, and was obviously a mismatch at the 4, and made some mistakes on offense. Gary made a serious gaffe putting him and Dino in together against Henson and Zeller in the first half, and in general, I wasn't a big fan of his game management last night (used his last timeout with over 6 minutes left in the game).

The game last night was really frustrating, because you can see how good this team can be, but then the ball gets into the hands of Tucker or Mosely, and it's like just letting the other team go on a 10-0 run. It also didn't help when the officials were in the tank for UNC in the first half blowing 3 goaltending calls and being incredible inconsistant with the foul calls in the first 10-15 minutes of the game.

Posted by: Russtinator | February 28, 2011 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Well Gary might "own" Roy in the game coaching category in the words of a few regulars on TI, but it sure helps Roy to put a line-up out there that has 6 MacDonalds All Americans to Maryland's ZERO. Guess recruiting does matter?

Posted by: petecard | February 28, 2011 11:04 AM | Report abuse

As crazy as this sounds, if the Terps win against Miami and UVA and then win two in the ACC Tourney (1st round and Quarterfinal) they will be squarely on the bubble. Win a semi-final game over Duke/UNC (granted a big if) and they are a lock. IMO.

Crazier things have happened. Keep the faith people don't throw in the towel yet.

This team lost 2 great players and leaders in Vasquez and Hayes. I think GW has brought this collection of players along nicely. The Haters will continue to hate, that's what they do but, I for one, am OK with the job GW has done this year.

Go Terps!!

Posted by: Section505203 | February 28, 2011 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I love when people call us Haters, is it hating to be frustrated that we are going to our 4th NIT in 8 years? Is it hating to not always give GW excuses, like we lost 2 leaders from last year...ok, what happened to the 3 Seniors this year, why didnt they develop or turn into leaders? Why is Mosley regressing?

Isnt it the coaches job to HELP develop these players? And youre OK with the job GW has done this year?

I guess then go ahead and call me a hater for wanting a couple of the "type" horses that UNC/Duke get, not the 3 star 6'9 guys that Gary gets, i.e. another Padgett.

Sorry, but we are overmatched by the Top programs, last night looked like a bunch of All Americans playing against a bunch of over-achievers and thats what it is, and while our guys can sometimes step up and surprise them i.e. 2000-2001, the majority of the time we are going to get what we have seen for the past 8 years. Bubble teams, early loss in the NCAA teams, and NIT teams. Never really competing for a title.

I guess being a Hater is a good thing, we want our program to do better then we are and have been doing for the past 8 years.

Thanks for the compliment :)

Posted by: cm88 | February 28, 2011 11:29 AM | Report abuse

its laughable that there are people out there who think gary is a better coach than roy. laughable

Posted by: slick3 | February 28, 2011 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Maybe my days of acting like a UNC fanatic are mostly past, but I saw real mutual respect and sportsmanship between Carolina and Maryland players last night. It was a good sight and both teams have classy players. Coach Williams' comments about Dean Smith were also a class act. Best wishes to Maryland basketball from a Tar Heel.

Posted by: johnd6 | February 28, 2011 11:51 AM | Report abuse

its laughable that there are people out there who think gary is a better coach than roy. laughable

Posted by: slick3 | February 28, 2011 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Not only is Gary a better coach than Roy but he is a WAY better coach than Roy.

Posted by: ebitda | February 28, 2011 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Well Gary might "own" Roy in the game coaching category in the words of a few regulars on TI, but it sure helps Roy to put a line-up out there that has 6 MacDonalds All Americans to Maryland's ZERO. Guess recruiting does matter?

Posted by: petecard | February 28, 2011 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Is this really a serious comment? The previous post by ebitda says it all. Not only is Gary a better coach than Roy, it's not even close. Gary has absolutely owned Roy Williams in his career. Md had won 4 of 5 going into this game. And how about last year, when Gary handed Roy his worst loss since joining North Carolina? Petecard can cherry pick his stats all he wants, but timing his comment that "I guess recruiting does matter" the day after we lose to UNC is just lame. Of course it's easy to say that today...but where was that comment a year ago when we were smashing North Carolina by 20+ points with less highly touted recruits?

Posted by: Barno1 | February 28, 2011 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Barno,,,, Petecard and I have been saying it all year. Sorry but recruiting is a huge part of being a college coach. Maybe Gary is better at X and O's, but he is a terrible recruiter. Plus, just last night alone, Gary made some terrible subs and also had them driving for 2 pointers with a min/2 left in the game and we where down by 10+, makes no sense. If Gary doesnt like or want to recruit, then he should move to the pro game and prove his coaching excellence.

As you well know, I have been on here all year, so this is not just about the UNC game. While I love our 2 Freshmen(stog/pe), the 2 freshmen for UNC looked great, and while Stog scored a ton, the guy we should have recruited, did a great job assisting ie. getting the big men the ball. His assists to turnover are incredible, which is something we havent had in years. A true point guard that sets everyone else up, Stog is another GV, which can be great at times, or make you pull your hair out at others.

End of the day, we are headed towards our 4th NIT in 8 years, and thats on Garys head.

Look at that, I was being civil, lets see if you can now :)

Posted by: cm88 | February 28, 2011 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Of course recruiting is a big part of coaching. What you don't seem to understand is that Gary is a great recruiter, he just has a different style of player that he goes for than what you'd like. You'd prefer the big name recruit who is just as likely to either A) be a bust, B) be great for 1 year and go pro, C) be very good for 4 years as the guys Gary finds who are 3 or 4 stars but not as highly touted. Gary has proven so many times that he knows what he is doing recruiting wise that it boggles the mind people still complain. Juan Dixon, Joe Smith, Lonnie Baxter, DJ Strawbery, Greivis Vasquez, Jordan Williams, none of these guys were All Americans in high school but all are All ACC studs. Petecard mocked Jordan Williams when it was announced he was coming to Maryland. You have already mocked next year's recruits, before they have ever stepped foot on the Comcast floor.

It's really a shame you can't take the same kind of pleasure from being a Terps fan as so many fans take. If Gary bothers you so much, seriously why not just stop watching?

As for continuing to say 4 NITs in 8 years, what an arbitrary stat. You could also say 4 NITs in 7 years (if we end up going to the NIT). You could also say 4 NITs in 18 years. For some reason, you keep saying 8 years though. Just a very strange stat you continue to use.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 28, 2011 12:28 PM | Report abuse

cm88 once again has it right. I am not a Gary Hater, but c'mon, Barno, you know I have been critical of our talent level for years. And you know that last year I cheered our success but once again did not feel the season was a great success. It ended like all of them have ended for 8 years now. That's just not good enough for me, cm88 and quite a few other regulars on this site. We would love to see them pull off a "miracle" and make the dance this year. That's really unlikely. Our conclusion is that this is another rotten year. Not because Gary can't coach, but because he doesn't recruit. I hope KA sees this and figures out a way to light a fire under the guy.

Posted by: petecard | February 28, 2011 12:31 PM | Report abuse

OK Barno, I will switch teams since I dont like the coach, wow that makes sense. Sorry but I am not a fair weather fan or someone that only likes the coach. The team is bigger than the coach and you dont get that, just in that statement alone.

You said to look at last year as why Roy is worse than Gary? Why just pick last year, if you are really trying to compare, lets look at this year, Roy wins! Last year, Gary wins! Year before Roy Wins Nat Champ, Roy Wins. Year before that, Roy goes to Final 4 Roy Wins! Year before that, Roy Elite 8, Roy Wins!

Do you maybe see a trend here? Are you open enough to see while Gary does get some quality players to over-achieve, that maybe with some true studs, we would be going to Final 4's again?

You picked the down year for Roy, which was 1 down year in 5 great years!,,,I am expecting and wanting Gary to do the same, so again, you really think GW blows Roy away, I dont see it and I hate UNC!

I say 4 NITs in 8 years, because we are heading there, if I am wrong, then I will admit it, just like I hope you will, if we go to another NIT :)

Its not very strange to point out that the past 8 years, we are trending downwards, I gave him credit for the rebuild but now we are going the wrong way. You can live in the past almost 10 years ago, or live in the present. I didnt say a word for years, just like others didnt, but now it is getting to be a bad trend for 8 years, when will you finally stop chanting Gary? 10-15 years of this? Serious question, how much longer?

As for those players, yes Gary did a great job with some 3 star guys, why cant he do the same as UNC/DUKE has? Look like they have done damn well with all those McD all americans over the past 20 years, and especially the past 5-8 years.

Those arent my opinion, those are facts!

Posted by: cm88 | February 28, 2011 12:41 PM | Report abuse

For those that keep harping on recruiting, please explain how we managed to get the best freshman in the ACC last year and the best freshman in the ACC this year. Please, help me out.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | February 28, 2011 12:44 PM | Report abuse

BTW, Barno, are you a Skins fan? If so, do you take pleasure in being a fan of theirs and you are ok with the success we have had under Dan? Maybe you see where your statement wasnt a great one to make? Unless you are happy with the Redskins success lately and want to point back to when Gibbs was winning Superbowls, way back when.

Posted by: cm88 | February 28, 2011 12:46 PM | Report abuse

If I didn't watch the game last night and know that the Terps lost, I would certainly know by coming on here. When they lose, the HOG's are out in full force with torches and pitchforks. When they win, nothing but crickets. At least you all are consistent....Sadly.

Posted by: Section505203 | February 28, 2011 12:47 PM | Report abuse

As for those players, yes Gary did a great job with some 3 star guys, why cant he do the same as UNC/DUKE has? Look like they have done damn well with all those McD all americans over the past 20 years, and especially the past 5-8 years.

Those arent my opinion, those are facts!

Posted by: cm88

PLEASE Tell me you accidently typed that?? Did you REALLY compare U of MD to DUKE and NC?? If you really think recruiting at MD is the same as recruiting for DUKE or UNC then you have no sense of college basketball and no basis in reality. You are the true essense of the word Fan - a Fanatic. Reason goes by the wayside and there is no more discussion. Barno1 - normally I disagree with you - but today I must say - your points on dead on.

Posted by: Stevida | February 28, 2011 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Section, sadly you are wrong, we have been here the entire time, please go check your facts/past blogs. Sorry you are trying to make excuses again for Gary losing, but we are just tired of underachieving, you must be happy we are headed to another NIT, that is sad as a MD fan!

Sorry Stevida, but I dont think we should get the exact same they can every year, but how about once every couple of years we get a 5 star? Is that crazy to ask at a major basketball school like MD? REALLY?

Posted by: cm88 | February 28, 2011 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Guys, we are alllll MD fans! This year we have lost to EVERY ranked team, last year we lost to every team with a name or ranked except for indiana, and also lost to William and Mary at home, before going into what was known as the weakest ACC ever. Year before that we where 7th in the ACC at 7-9.

Its not make believe guys, the program is not strong and hasnt been for a while. IF you dont see that, thats your choice, but us "gary haters" do and we are concerned.

I hate that we are a bubble team and we are now headed towards our 4th NIT in 8 years, thats just the truth!

Posted by: cm88 | February 28, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Ah, 4 NITs in the last 8 years.

Gary sure really built off that NCAA Title that came about a decade ago.......

I'm sure they're nice enough guys but Tucker and Mosely can't leave this program soon enough.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 28, 2011 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Places like UNC, Duke, KY, UCLA, and Kansas (where Roy was before UNC) basically recruit themselves. Please don't make the mistake of comparing recruiting at UMD as the same as those places.

With all the talent that Roy has had over the years at KU and UNC, he has won a grand total of one, that's right, one championship. To say he is a better coach than Gary with all the talent he has had over the years is a joke.

Posted by: Section505203 | February 28, 2011 1:23 PM | Report abuse

If I didn't watch the game last night and know that the Terps lost, I would certainly know by coming on here. When they lose, the HOG's are out in full force with torches and pitchforks. When they win, nothing but crickets. At least you all are consistent....Sadly.

Posted by: Section505203 | February 28, 2011 12:47 PM
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Shut up.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 28, 2011 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Love it when the FOG's come out in full-force (usually after losses, so I'd say at least 10 times this year) making excuse after excuse for Gary and his, what has become a very average, basketball program.

Sweet.

What out IUPUI, we're coming for you in the NIT!!!!!!!!

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 28, 2011 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Very intelligent response Poopy, now, go back to your basement and do another bong hit, and think up some more clever ways to stalk Barno.

Posted by: Section505203 | February 28, 2011 1:33 PM | Report abuse

SECTION,,,since you are the expert,,,can you tell me who won the Nat Champ in 2005 and 2009? You said he has only won 1 right? A grand total of 1, right?

Ok now, can you tell me who is the better coach, the guy that has won 2 National Champ with 1 runner up in 10 years(with several final 4's and elite 8's in the past 10 years)and 1 NIT, or the coach with 1 National championship, no runner ups, and 4 NIT's....guess which coach is Gary and which is Roy?

Some of you MD fans are so freaking blind, it is amazing!

Posted by: cm88 | February 28, 2011 1:39 PM | Report abuse

For those that keep harping on recruiting, please explain how we managed to get the best freshman in the ACC last year and the best freshman in the ACC this year. Please, help me out.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | February 28, 2011 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Not to mention the best senior in the ACC last year.

Recruiting is not the issue. All programs not named Duke or Kentucky have rebuilding years. It happens to everyone. Last year we could very well have made the final four if one last second 23 foot shot doesn't go in. Think about that. We were that close to sweet 16 and elite 8 matchups against inferior teams. At the very least, we would have been favored in both games. But coming off the momentum of a great comeback win against MichSt, i think it's fair to think we'd have kept going through the sweet 16 and elite 8.

Petecard doesn't want to look at the 2009/10 season as a good year. But I beg to differ. It was a very good season, we won the ACC along with Duke, we had the best player in the league, we had the best 3 point shooter in the country, we had a last second buzzer beating win against Gtech, we smoked Carolina, we beat Duke, we beat Vtech on the road and Greivis dropped 40 points, we had a nice comeback win against Clemson. We just came one bucket short in the NCAA 2nd round against a very good, final four team.

That shot does not undo the entire season of good times for me and for many fans like me. If you want to believe that one shot erases the ACC title, the ACC coach of the year, the ACC player of the year, etc...then that's what I'm talking about when I say it's a shame you can't take more pleasure out of being a fan.

And the point of me bringing up 2009/10, is to remind the anti-Gary folks that we had a very good season just a year ago and we lost 3 key members of that team. It was to be expected that we would have to rebuild a little this year with so many newcomers and with a senior class that had never been regular starters before. I truly believe next year we will be ACC title contenders again and, hopefully, break through to the sweet 16 and beyond once again. A starting 5 that includes Stoglin, Nick Faust, Jordan Williams, senior Sean Mosley (who i think will rebound from this season to have his best year yet at MD next year) will be formidable in 2011/12.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 28, 2011 1:50 PM | Report abuse

CM88,

I stand corrected. I forgot the one he won in 2005. However, my point remains the same. He has coached at 2 places where the University recruits itself and he just rolls the balls out there. Gary is hands down a better coach.

I guess with you being a Duke fan and all you would know what your hated rival has done.

Outside of Poopy's pot smoking self, I have never seen a person who takes such joy in speaking poorly about and rooting against their supposed alma mater.

I didn't even go to UMD and I'm more of a loyal fan than either of two put together.

If it so painful, why do you bother?

Posted by: Section505203 | February 28, 2011 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Last year we could very well have made the final four if one last second 23 foot shot doesn't go in.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 28, 2011 1:50 PM
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Please, please, for the love of eight pound, six ounce, newborn baby Jesus, in his golden, fleece diapers, with his curled-up, fat, balled-up little fists pawin' at the air stop harping on the loss last year to Mich St.

You know what, if the Terps didn't want to lose, even by buzzer beater, they should've put themselves in a better position to win at some point during the other 39 minutes and 59 seconds of the game.

Teams lose at the buzzer in the NCAA's every year.

And there is NO GUARANTEE that if we had won, that we would've won any of the following games (no matter if we were favored or not).

You make it sound like last years team were the Title favorites who just got unlucky. Ugh

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 28, 2011 2:02 PM | Report abuse

We'll be OK next year. Padget and Tucker never panned out. Gary doesn't want to play the AAU-mafia game so we are left with the second string. Considering that, Gary has been a great coach and will be. He is HOF coach

Posted by: anti1 | February 28, 2011 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Gotta love section5023403003 and his "I'm a better fan than you" mantra.

Good for you, you like mediocrity. Want a medal?

Oh wait, you probably have lots of medals from those "special" events you were part of as a kid and adult.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 28, 2011 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Right I am a duke fan, just like your friend Barno likes to say whenever you look silly.

Ok you caught me, I love the dukies!

If you are so loyal to the team, then you would see there is an issue.

Like I said earlier, but Barno couldnt answer, are you a skins fan? If so, are you happy with the direction of the program? If not, does that make you a Dallas fan all of a sudden????

I actually knew the Gibbs family growing up, but when Gibbs came back to coach, he did a terrible job and I was hoping he would move on, which he did! Does that make me an idiot or a Dallas fan? Gibbs realized football had passed him by.

Now, I feel the same about MD basketball, I will always support them, but not the coach if he is failing, which Gary is. I didnt give Gibbs a lifetime pass, eventhough he is 10 times the coach and man Gary could ever be, so why should we give Gary a lifetime pass for winning 1 championship, almost 10 years ago? He is not even making it to the playoffs(football terms) now, so why do we stick with a guy that is headed toward a 4th NIT in 8 years???? at a school that my not be on the level of UNC/DUKE/Kansas, as you said and I agree, but we should be right below it and always a Top 10-20 team, agree????? with the occassional hiccup, like UNC had.

Last year, Gary failed preACC season and Post ACC season, but tied in a terrible ACC league for a title that meant nothing, that is not a successful season, but in Barno's mind it is, which is sad.

Posted by: cm88 | February 28, 2011 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Petecard doesn't want to look at the 2009/10 season as a good year. But I beg to differ. It was a very good season...

Posted by: Barno1 | February 28, 2011 1:50 PM
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Let me ask you this:

Do you think the Patriots, when they went 18-1 or this past year when they went 14-3 would consider those very good seasons or do you think that, no matter how good their regular season was, the fact that they didn't win the Super Bowl makes the season not as super-duper-great?

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 28, 2011 2:06 PM | Report abuse

That shot does not undo the entire season of good times for me and for many fans like me. If you want to believe that one shot erases the ACC title, the ACC coach of the year, the ACC player of the year, etc...then that's what I'm talking about when I say it's a shame you can't take more pleasure out of being a fan.
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Barno,

Excellent. I couldn't have said it better myself. Last year was a great year to be a Maryland fan. A gut punch last second shot doesn't take that away.

Some people go through life seeing the glass as half empty or completely empty.

Posted by: Section505203 | February 28, 2011 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Barno..........please help us lesser Terp fans by commenting on last night's game. Specifically the play of Mosley (starting for defensive purposes I guess), Carolina's offensive rebounding, UM three point shooting, and please-please tell us again why Gary plays Tucker and Bowie. A quote from the AP..... "Freshman Terrell Stoglin scored a season-high 28 points to lead the Terrapins (18-11, 7-7), while Jordan Williams had 16 points and a career-high 19 rebounds before fouling out in the final minute. They got almost no help from their teammates, though, who combined for 32 points on 11-for-37 shooting." And one final question....please explain this statement by Gary following the game.... "It'd be nice to go in there [to the ACC tournament] with a couple wins and see what happens." Does it sound like he is expecting/hoping/praying for a miracle? As life long fans of Maryland athletics, we sorely need your help.

Posted by: 70Terp | February 28, 2011 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Tell it all to Caps fans, who expect a lot form their team now. Hey Caps fans, last year the Caps did awesome in the regular season and got smoked in the 2nd round. But they were so good in the regular season.

Ah the good times...........

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 28, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

CM88,

As I said just the other day to your same question. I'm NOT a Redskin fan. I have been a Steelers fan since bascially birth. The Redskins are a clusterf*ck and are the polar opposite of the Steelers.

My fear is when Gary does decide to hang it up, this program will struggle and we will become UVA or Miami. And all the haters will suddenly long for the GW days. How ironic would that be.

Posted by: Section505203 | February 28, 2011 2:15 PM | Report abuse

70Terp, obviously the writer who composed that piece is biased. His "anti-UMD" bias shines through when he says that Stoglin/Williams "got almost no help from their teammates." Talk about anti-UMD bias. I'm sure their teammates did alot, like getting water or simply taking up space on the court.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 28, 2011 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Hahahaha, a Steeler fan. That explains everything.

So how's married life with your sister working out? Big Ben go around harassing any women lately?

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 28, 2011 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Section,,,completely understand the fear, I dont want that either, but you can see what a new coach at Ohio St did, what did Gary do while he was there? Just saying, good recruiting has helped Ohio St. Now look at Vill., another great recruiter that can coach.

I dont want another Bob Wade here, but I doubt we would have that. Tons of top coaches that can recruit, would run to this program if the spot opened. We need to realized that we are a Top program because of what Lefty built and Gary rebuilt, but we now need someone that can talk us to the next level.

If Pittsburgh was making it to the playoffs but losing every year in the first or second round, wouldnt you want a new coach to take you to the Next level, eventhough it was a good year, you feel someone new could take you to the next level, right?

Posted by: cm88 | February 28, 2011 2:22 PM | Report abuse

"those who say Maryland's at-large hopes are torched are not paying attention to how soft (supremely weak) the bubble is this season. As I wrote last week, four wins - at Miami, vs. Virginia and two in the ACC tournament --- would give the Terps a reasonable chance at an at-large bid."

Who said this? Some fawning Gary fan? Was it me, or section505, or fushezzi? Was it written by HGH before last night's game?

No, it was Eric Prisbell. The guy some of you have come to believe "hates" UMD. Love or hate Prisbell, he is truly great--not just good--at one thing in particular: prognosticating the NCAA tournament teams. Last year, he was the best in the country at it (better than Joe Lunardi). So when he says the bubble is "supremely weak" and when he says 4 wins would give Maryland "a reasonable chance" at a bid, I'm going to take his word for it over the CM88s and Petecards of this blog. Sorry, as badly as some of you want to believe otherwise, our chances for an at large bid still exist. And it very well may not even take a run to the ACC tourney finale either.

I still have hope.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 28, 2011 2:24 PM | Report abuse

BTW, I really like Stog, but he needs to learn to get everyone involved, its not just that they didnt help, he needs to put them in that position and not think shot first, especially on fast breaks. Look at the line for the Kendell kid, he didnt score as much, but look at his assists to turnovers, and who won. I dont think we need another scoring first point guard, I would rather see another Steve Blake before another Grevis.

Posted by: cm88 | February 28, 2011 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I love how people compare Professional athletics with college. Two different worlds people. 28-32 teams vs. over a hundred in football and over 300 in basketball. Amateurs vs. pros.

Apples and oranges.

Posted by: Section505203 | February 28, 2011 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Geez, talk about how far UMD has fallen.

Now we're debating whether or not UMD has "a reasonable chance" at making the NCAAs.

There was a time when UMD in the NCAAs was a given and not needing 4 more wins would give us "a reasonable chance"

Sweet. We rock!!!!

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 28, 2011 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Barno, we havent lost hope, I will be the FIRST to cheer if we squeek in, but I am also the FIRST to say that we shouldnt be squeeking in. It doesnt make me less of a MD fan that I am pissed that we are on the outside in, I think it makes me more of a fan not just settling for this weak program we have.

We are all MD fans, just some of us want to be a National power program and have a coach that can get us there.

Posted by: cm88 | February 28, 2011 2:31 PM | Report abuse

You're right secton3503403030, what does it say about UMD when they may not even be one of the top 60+ teams in the NCAA, for the 4th time in the past 7,8 years?

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 28, 2011 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Section, wow that was a wimpy way to give up on a good point/debate. Sad I thought you may have a logical comeback, but to say they are different is obvious, but to say that fans expectations of their favorite team cannot be correlated, is juvenile.

Sorry I gave you an ounce of credit.

Go Terps! I hope we fire Gary and soon, we need someone in there that coaches/recruits more than he drinks and sleeps.

Posted by: cm88 | February 28, 2011 2:34 PM | Report abuse

cm88 and Poopy have won this thread. Garo1 is back front and center. We don't have a recruiting problem? We don't have a talent issue? Give me a break. As for the best freshman last year and this...wrong again. Favors was the best freshman last year and Duke's guy, who has been hurt and Carolina's guy who played great yesterday are both better than Stogs. I like Stogs, but he has a long way to go with his game. Those other schools "recuit themselves?" That's crazy. In college basketball it is ALL about the coach. Those schools have coaches who out-recruit Gary. The right guy at Maryland would have zero trouble recruiting from among the elite players. ZERO.

Posted by: petecard | February 28, 2011 3:05 PM | Report abuse

kudos to Poopy and Petecard for griping intelligently and to Poopy for a couple of lols. Butt cm88 - what crawled up your behind and died? Your ignorance of college BB could fill volumes.

If, heaven forbid, if anything was to render Saint Mike K. incapable of coaching, the first person the donors of Duke would want interviewed for the vacancy would be GW. He would be the second as well. Amaker would be a consolation prize on the level of Edsall.

For those of you who have not been paying attention to the ACC overall - last night was the BEST game UNC has played all season. By far. Please note that on any subsequent whinings.

cm88 - take this scenario, MD goes to the NIT this year, but then GW goes on a run simlar to the six years prior to the NC, including another NC. Would that be enough for you? Because there were quite a bit of whiners calling for Saint Mike K's head in the mid/late 90s prior to the Battier championship. Y'know when making the dance just was not good enough.

Posted by: Duke-Rulz-1995 | February 28, 2011 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Barno..........please help us lesser Terp fans by commenting on last night's game. Specifically the play of Mosley (starting for defensive purposes I guess), Carolina's offensive rebounding, UM three point shooting, and please-please tell us again why Gary plays Tucker and Bowie. A quote from the AP..... "Freshman Terrell Stoglin scored a season-high 28 points to lead the Terrapins (18-11, 7-7), while Jordan Williams had 16 points and a career-high 19 rebounds before fouling out in the final minute. They got almost no help from their teammates, though, who combined for 32 points on 11-for-37 shooting." And one final question....please explain this statement by Gary following the game.... "It'd be nice to go in there [to the ACC tournament] with a couple wins and see what happens." Does it sound like he is expecting/hoping/praying for a miracle? As life long fans of Maryland athletics, we sorely need your help.

Posted by: 70Terp | February 28, 2011 2:13 PM | Report abuse

This comment made very little sense. First off I never said you were littler fans of Maryland...not sure where you got that from. Although I do see CM88 routinely claiming he is a better fan than me and the pro-Gary crowd (90+ percent of our fan base) because he just wants to win more than we do.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 28, 2011 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Poopy, Caps actually lost in the first round of the playoffs last year...to the worst seed in the playoffs. Something the Terps didn't do.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 28, 2011 3:23 PM | Report abuse

CM88,
One of the reasons I love the Steelers is the Rooney's patience. 3 coaches since 1969. All three won Super Bowls.

It's very easy to fire GW and say he’s not what he was, so "he's gone."
Patience, my friend. The man can coach and there is a method to his madness. The college basketball landscape has changed over the last decade. The Mid-Major has become a big part of college b-ball. George Mason and Butler showed that. It has become even tougher for a program like Maryland (not a storied program, city campus in PG county, etc.) to attract top talent. And quite frankly some of these prima donna players today couldn’t play for Gary. They go for the slick operators like, Coach K, Roy W., Calipari, Patino, Calhoun, etc. Gary is who is and he ain’t changing for anyone. I love that about him. He can coach the college team I have rooted for since my childhood until he decides to retire. That’s how I feel and no matter what you are Pothead Poopy say, I’m all in with Gary.

Ask NC State fans (a tobacco road program with 2 National titles) how they feel about firing Herb Sendek. Or how Wake fans feel about their constant flux through a horrible tragedy and a firing. How about UVA fans with their revolving door of coaches since Terry Holland retired.

Patience, my friend, patience. What’s behind door number 2, might be the next Dave Leitao, that didn’t go so well for UVA.

Posted by: Section505203 | February 28, 2011 3:28 PM | Report abuse

DukeRulz, so I dont know basketball/sports because I dont have the same mindset that a lot of you have and that is, if Gary leaves we are doomed, the sky will fall, etc?

I have the mindset that with the greatest/deepest recruiting backyard in the Nation i.e. the dc metro area, that we should be able to find someone that can legally recruit great players, and still coach them to a very high level,,,,wow that is insane to think, I am such an idiot!

I know there are gloom stories out there, just as there are success stories. ie. Vill, Ohio st, etc.

If your scenario works out, then I am alllll about Gary staying, I just want us to win again at a high level, ie be a top 10 to 20 team every year. I am in love with the program, not the coach. So if the program is doing great, then I dont care who the coach is.

Gary has been known for years, to be a cocky/terrible recruiter, but he won so he got a pass. But now, for years, he has been regressing and we have all been waiting and saying oh wait, he got Mike Jones, ok here we go...oh wait, Nik Cander will carry us...oh wait, how about this John Gilchrist kid,,,oh here we go, we got this Grevis kid....ok now we got it Mosley is the savior...ok now its Jordan or maybe Stoglin, or the kid coming next year.

But in the past 8 years, with all those kids and all those hopes we MD fans have had, we have 4 2nd round losses in the NCAA's, 3 NIT's, and this year.....how is that for a successful program by Gary? Does it seem like we have had patience? How much longer should we have patience? Because we keep hearing that the next recruiting class is the one, and 8 years later we are about(unless we are lucky) to go to our 4th NIT,,,wooohooo!!!

Posted by: cm88 | February 28, 2011 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Petecard, great post,,,not because you gave us props. But because you are honest enough to be a MD fan but also see that our players arent the best ones. I would love to have K Irving over any player we have. That kid last night that wanted to come to MD, but Gary didnt even go see him, I think he had 10 assists against us, oh yeah and the W.

Posted by: cm88 | February 28, 2011 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I love all the "we" talk from the closet Duke fan. Classic stuff.

Honestly though, I am a little disappointed that the years after the National Championship have not been better. Any Maryland fan that says they aren't is not telling the truth. But, reasonable fans don't piss and moan constantly when their team loses or hopes that GW gets fired. That's just ridiculous.

CM88, Stay the course. Don't be Dan Snyder be Dan Rooney.

Bill Cowher didn't make the playoffs 1998-2000. Instead of firing him Rooney gave him a extension. Cowher went to 3 AFC Championship games and won a Super Bowl over the next 5 years.

If you were to get your wish and fire a legend like GW. Then what? The next hot shot coach could easily be Sidney Lowe as much as he could be Jay Wright.

Lighten up, Francis. Enjoy being a fan.

Posted by: Section505203 | February 28, 2011 4:27 PM | Report abuse

If I ever become a Duke fan, please shot me in the head :) Trust me, I am and have been patient, its getting tough to keep thinking this will be the year...and so on.

So, I will ask you, how much longer are you going to be patient?

If Gary goes NIT, NIT, 2nd round NCAA, the next 3 years, are you still on board with Gary?

Posted by: cm88 | February 28, 2011 4:35 PM | Report abuse

BTW, that is the meanest thing anyone could ever call another human...Dan Snyder,,,,,that was just cold man! Call me a dbag, certified moron, loser,,,,but dont ever call me Dan Snyder, those are fightin words :) haha

And yes, I want a new owner of the skins!!!!

And a new gm for the Wiz!!!

Wow DC sports suck right now.

Go Caps!!!!!

Posted by: cm88 | February 28, 2011 4:41 PM | Report abuse

If Gary goes NIT, NIT, 2nd round NCAA, the next 3 years, are you still on board with Gary?
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Yes, I would still be on board, a little disappointed but, still on board. Now, if they start to crater like Wake or GA Tech and not even have a chance, then I would need to think about jumping ship off the USS Gary.

Posted by: Section505203 | February 28, 2011 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Sorry about the Snyder thing. No offense intended, just trying to make a point. That would be pretty cold if I intended it that way, no doubt.

Posted by: Section505203 | February 28, 2011 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I get you, I just think we are in a higher tier than the Wakes/GA Tech/even UVA, we are right in the middle of the hottest recruiting territory in the country, with teams like Georgetown. Their coaching is suspect, but at least they get the recruits to make up for bad x and o coaching.

Oh well, in the end its wishful thinking for me, Gary will be here for a while with his contract and buyout to high.

Hope youre right and I hope Gary steps it back up, because the lineup next year, especially if Jordan leaves, looks NIT at best.

Posted by: cm88 | February 28, 2011 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Geez, talk about how far UMD has fallen.

Now we're debating whether or not UMD has "a reasonable chance" at making the NCAAs.

There was a time when UMD in the NCAAs was a given and not needing 4 more wins would give us "a reasonable chance"

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 28, 2011 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Poop, I have to disagree here. Save for less than handful of seasons, Maryland has always needed to win games down the stretch to make the tourney. Your fond memories of the 2001 final four team probably don't include losing 5 of 6 games well into February. I think it's safe to say we were a bubble team after losing to FSU at home on Vday that year, when one fan caught Gary's ear by shouting "see you in the NIT Gary."

Point is, the mighty have not fallen as far as you think. We are still a very solid bball program no matter what happens these last few weeks. We have a top 25 program, there is no question about this. We are just having a down/rebuilding year after losing 3 key seniors last year. Be patient, we will be back to our top 25 status next year.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 28, 2011 5:06 PM | Report abuse

If J. Williams leaves we are in trouble. Padgett is not the answer.

Posted by: Section505203 | February 28, 2011 5:14 PM | Report abuse

wow, I wonder if somewhere in hell Hitler and Mussolini are taking umbrage at being compared to Dan Snyder. I'm a skins fan, and though not as much as a fan of Snyder as barno, I think he does get treated a bit (and to be fair, only a bit) unfairly by the fans. If he was producing winners, no one would be complaining. Then if the team were winning, he wouldn't have to sue fans. Winning hides a lot of sins...except cheating. Looky at whats happened to the Pats since spygate. No doubting that they have been successful, but expectations after winning multiple SBs are much different for the Pats now.

I should talk. If we have seasons where we don't go to the FF or win the ACCT, then we look at it as a disappointment.
Merely winning the ACC regular season does not count enough anymore to almost all the frontrunner fans, which is really sad. Of course back when I was in school, prior to coach K, we had only had one successful season and were far, far behind UNC and NC State in terms of program success. Maybe thats why the Alarie Dawkins Amaker teams are so important to me. The first in a long line of what USED to be fruitless trips to the FF. I watch whenever I can, live and in person if possible, and savor every minute of it. And its easy to be a fan like Barno when your team is winning, and painful when they don't - so at least cut the man some props for his dogged and unwavering support of the team.

cm88 wants to have those expectations. Let me tell you one thing - when you have the type of expectations that Duke fans have, the great seasons in between tend to be forgotten by those who have only become fans during the run of success - which in itself is sad. The fans who were fans and have seen doldrums or hard times for a team up close and personal tend to remember the semi-successful seasons AND savor them as well.

Posted by: Duke-Rulz-1995 | February 28, 2011 5:15 PM | Report abuse

The saddest thing is that if we don't REPEAT as NCs this year, a lot of folks will be kvetching on Duke boards about how Saint Mike K blew it and might be losing it. Talk about warped expectations.

Posted by: Duke-Rulz-1995 | February 28, 2011 5:18 PM | Report abuse

There is a huge difference between freshman playing up to the level of seniors and seniors playing down to the level of freshman.


On another note,

If you look at the ACC since the addition of BC, UM, and VT, there are three distinct groups by conference winning percentage. Duke and UNC at above 70%, FSU, UMD, Clemson, VT, & BC between 50-56%, and everyone else below 40%.

UMD won a national championship but couldn't break out of that second group.

Virginia Tech is one reason UMD should be concerned. Despite losing 4 players, including two seniors, to injury, they've managed to stay in the hunt for the NCAA tourney, they will return those injured seniors next year, plus the addition of a top ranked recruiting class, refurbished their arena, brand new $22 mil basketball practice facility, great national exposure, beat the number one team in the conference and the nation, swept Maryland, 6-4 against UMD since joining the ACC, and their two best players this season came from Dematha and Towson Catholic.

I don't know what the other members of the ACC are doing, but they ain't sitting around and waiting to take a beating from the '02 National Champs.

Posted by: brewit | February 28, 2011 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Disappointing Season? Yes....Totally unexpected? No...Is Gary the Best Coach in the Country, no? Is he the Best Recruiter in the Country?, No, but when you stack up all the chips, he comes out on top more often than not....He has delivered an NCAA champ..a feat matched by only 10 other active coaches...He has delivered multiple Top 20 teams, multiple ACC championships during his tenure...someone posted elsewhere that they dont expect us to be Kansas, UCLA or Duke....yeah, well I hope not...2 of those teams have seen 17 years since their last title and one of them had a coach who resigned in disgrace...and lets not forget that UNC is only 1 season removed from an NIT appearance also...the way most people are stomping their feet on here, you would think that we went to the NIT last year as well....we didnt and we were co-ACC regular season champs as well...true, that the seniors havent really been impact players this year but they never were anyway....whatever happens the rest of the way, I am excited about this team next season....a few weeks ago, I asked if there was any coach (except K), whose record couldnt be picked apart by some disgruntled fans.....I got no answers but I am still open to hearing about it......throw out a name of someone who you would rather have here at UMD and will be 100% dedicated to this schools program?????

Posted by: TerpfanMA | February 28, 2011 5:23 PM | Report abuse

"We have a top 25 program, there is no question about this."

I think this could be questioned post Steve Blake. Here are the recent rpi numbers from realtime rpi. #83 #24 #55 #82 #17 #51 #80 #20

Posted by: lkfkd876 | February 28, 2011 5:37 PM | Report abuse

.throw out a name of someone who you would rather have here at UMD and will be 100% dedicated to this schools program?????

Posted by: TerpfanMA | February 28, 2011 5:23 PM
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Phil Jackson

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 28, 2011 5:37 PM | Report abuse

I think this could be questioned post Steve Blake. Here are the recent rpi numbers from realtime rpi. #83 #24 #55 #82 #17 #51 #80 #20

Posted by: lkfkd876 | February 28, 2011 5:37 PM
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But, but, but, we'll be so awesome next year.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 28, 2011 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Barno, hope youre right, I truly hope we are back to Top 20 form next year, if Jordan leaves, no chance! Sorry, little to no chance.

Duke Rulz, trust me, I dont think we should be winning NATS or even ACC titles every year, but we should be competing for them..i.e. Sweet 16's, Elite 8's, etc. with occassional drop. Just like UNC has done the past 5 years, no biggie if you have an off year, but again, 4 NIT's in 8 years, with NO trips past the 2nd round of the NCAA is not an off year or two, its a trend, which is not a good trend.

Terpfan...I and others get your point, Gary did a great job, but again, he is trending the wrong direction. Do you really see a great turnaround next year? We lost 3 seniors last year, and again we lose 3 more, that we thought would step in, but didnt, now we have to hope some freshmen step in, yikeees! I hope your right, but again, its been 8 years of avg performance, while UNC 1 year from NIT, is back in the hunt and looks like a legit deep NCAA run contender, and they just won the Nat 2 times in the past 10 years. There are plenty of coaches that would commit to coaching here, wasnt it Gary that said, he wouldnt have come here if he knew the penalties? Thats a real MD guy for ya :)

Brewit,,,Great point about VA Tech, if we keep sitting here saying what a great job Gary is doing and we will be back soon, schools like Gtown come back from the dead and schools like VA Tech start building a name for themselves, then both are taking our recruits. I seem to remember a time not too long ago when Gtown was an after thought and VA tech was a laughable football program, where are they both now?????

Great post on the RPI...I am sure someone will make an excuse or say the RPI is garbage, but if its even close to the right number, it is a sad statement about MD basketball!

Have a great night guys, hope some day you see we Garyhaters, just want the dominant program we should have or at least get some of the players the Gtown, Duke, UNC, VA tech, Villanova are taking from Gary every freaking year....let me guess, they are all cheating except for St Gary the class act :)

Posted by: cm88 | February 28, 2011 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Here we go. Let's see what "trends" we can find here:

1993–1994 Maryland 18–12 8–8 T–4th NCAA Sweet 16
1994–1995 Maryland 26–8 12–4 T–1st NCAA Sweet 16
1995–1996 Maryland 17–13 8–8 T–4th NCAA 1st Round
1996–1997 Maryland 21–11 9–7 T–4th NCAA 1st Round
1997–1998 Maryland 21–11 10–6 3rd NCAA Sweet 16
1998–1999 Maryland 28–6 13–3 2nd NCAA Sweet 16
1999–2000 Maryland 25–10 11–5 2nd NCAA 2nd Round
2000–2001 Maryland 25–11 10–6 3rd NCAA Final Four

2001–2002 Maryland 32–4 15–1 1st NCAA Champions

2002–2003 Maryland 21–10 11–5 T–2nd NCAA Sweet 16
2003–2004 Maryland 20–12 7–9 T–6th NCAA 2nd Round
2004–2005 Maryland 19–13 7–9 T–6th NIT
2005–2006 Maryland 19–13 8–8 6th NIT
2006–2007 Maryland 25–9 10–6 T–3rd NCAA 2nd Round
2007–2008 Maryland 19–15 8–8 T–5th NIT
2008–2009 Maryland 21–14 7–9 T–7th NCAA 2nd Round
2009–2010 Maryland 24–9 13–3 T–1st NCAA 2nd Round
2010-2011 Maryland 18-11 7-7 ???

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 28, 2011 6:10 PM | Report abuse

In Stocks or business,,,,SELL SELL SELL!

Posted by: cm88 | February 28, 2011 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Two straight years with the best freshman in the ACC.

Still waiting for a response to that from the "Gary doesn't recruit" crowd. Been waiting about a week now, still no answer...

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | February 28, 2011 6:48 PM | Report abuse

I think 7-7 ACC record and 18-11 overall is answer enough

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 28, 2011 7:03 PM | Report abuse

That’s how I feel and no matter what you are Pothead Poopy say, I’m all in with Gary.

Posted by: Section505203 | February 28, 2011 3:28 PM |
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Hey, whatever you and Gary do together behind closed doors is none of our business. If MD passes their gay marriage bill than tell me where you and Gary are registered and I'll buy you 2 a gift.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 28, 2011 7:25 PM | Report abuse

"We have a top 25 program, there is no question about this."

I think this could be questioned post Steve Blake. Here are the recent rpi numbers from realtime rpi. #83 #24 #55 #82 #17 #51 #80 #20

Posted by: lkfkd876 | February 28, 2011 5:37 PM | Report abuse

My guess is those numbers would average somewhere in the top 30 in the nation over that span. And that's the "horrible" down years of the Gary era. Why don't you include the 2000-2003 years too? Because that would mean you're including the whole decade, which would make us not just a top 25 program but a top 10 program over the last decade. Hey why don't we just look at the last 2-3 years then?

08/09 ncaa tourney
09/10 ncaa tourney
10/11 ???

Posted by: Barno1 | February 28, 2011 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Can one of the Haters of Gary (HOGs) please correct me if I'm wrong..but is this essentially your position: Maryland should get rid of Gary Williams because of a handful of mostly very close 2nd round losses in the NCAA tourney. If a few buckets had gone differently in those games, then Gary is still a great coach. But because we lost at the buzzer in 3 of our last 4 ncaa tourneys (2x in the round and 1x in the sweet 16), Gary should be fired. This is the "HOGs" position, correct?

Just checking.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 28, 2011 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Excuse me, 4 of our last 5 NCAA tourneys have ended with plays at the buzzer in which we lost with a chance for it to go either way. So for those 4 games, if a couple had gone the other way, Gary is a great coach. But because we "lost in 2nd round" those years, he is a terrible coach. This is the HOGs position, correct?

Posted by: Barno1 | February 28, 2011 8:37 PM | Report abuse

C'mon Barno, a loss is a loss. You lose by 400 points or by 1 or 2 at the buzzer, you lost.

You could've done more in the other 39 minutes and 59 seconds to make sure you don't lose at the buzzer.

Obviously my "for the love of baby Jesus with his baby Einstein" poke didn't get through.

And it's still not getting out of the 1st weekend of the NCAAs. Some Terp fans want more than that.

Just look at the my post with the year-by-year breakdowns and tell me you don't notice a trend (more negative than positive) post NCAA Title.

I swear if we have to read about (and I know it'll be posted again ad nauseum) about Mich St. getting lucky last year and about how UMD would have won 400 NCAA titles if it wasn't for bad luck and buzzer beaters.......

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 28, 2011 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Also, Barno you keep talking about bad luck and the Terps getting beat at the buzzer.

Well you know what?

Drew Nicholas says 'hello.'

You remember him right? His buzzer beater that WENT IN FAVOR of UMD. We were on the lucky side that time too.

See Barno (and FOGs) buzzer beaters for the Terps are a 2 way street buddy.

If Nicholas didn't hit that shot, we would've lost to UNC-Wilmington in the FIRST round instead of going as far as we did.

So, ifs and but were candy and nuts

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 28, 2011 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Take another hit off the pipe poopy and escape from the reality that is your parents basement.

Posted by: Section505203 | February 28, 2011 8:45 PM | Report abuse

stop licking Big Bens "football" section5030020202020202. While he likes it, he prefers a woman do it. But he says you're doing a bang up job.

Of course I notice you don't actually address the points I made, hypocrisy of posters forgetting about Drew Nicholas and his buzzer beater when trying to stick up for Gary and his bad luck of losing at the buzzer in the NCAAs.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 28, 2011 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Or what about Cliff Tucker (probably his one UMD highlight) and his buzzer beater last year?

If he misses, Terps don't share the ACC Title (so FOG's here can't taught him winning the ACC last year) and maybe by not winning the ACC, Gary isn't coach of the year last year.

Again, buzzer beaters are a 2-way street. Which is something some Terp fans seem to think isn't the case.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 28, 2011 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Nothing like a loss to bring Poopy scurrying out of the woodwork. Poopy, I don't think you get Barno's point because the Drew Nicholas buzzer beater is in line with what he's saying.

For all the armchair quarterbacking going on here, Gary will still be around next year. For all the Gary haters, it sucks to be you.

We're losing 2 non-scorers and gaining 3 scorers, at least 2 with perimeter ability. In my eyes, things are looking up. Next year, NCAAT for sure; in 2 years final 4 likely if JW is still around.

Posted by: MrScrotums | February 28, 2011 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Okay here's what I'm saying, fact is, buzzer beater or not, Terps lost before they should've in the NCAA's.

That clear enough.

And my use of both Tucker and Nicholas buzzer beaters is to show that the Terps and Gary have both benefited and been hurt by buzzer beaters. As all teams has and to use the negative ones as some example is a cop-out.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 28, 2011 9:03 PM | Report abuse

I can't argue with Poopy's logic on buzzer beaters. It works both ways.

Although JP had a terrible game last night, I think it's unfair to write him off just yet. He has shown flashes of athleticism and could progress, like DG, into a decent player. GW always says it takes longer for the bigs to develop. He certainly has done more for the program than other bigs such as Goins, Burney, & Dupree.
Would never call for GW's head but this season has been disappointing thus far. Getting swept by BC & VT is the hardest bit to swallow. Just one win against a ranked team would have been nice. And enough folks have already commented on AB, CT, & SM's lack of consistency.
I don't think ALL hope is extinguished yet. Win the next four games and we might just bubble in. But it does not seem likely at this point.

Regards-

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | February 28, 2011 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Hey why don't we just look at the last 2-3 years then?

The last three years are #83 #24 #55 so that is probably not top 25. The last four would be #83, #24 #55, #82. And so on...

Hey, I would never argue that Gary is a terrible coach or that the Terps have been horrible or even bad. I just got sick of chanting Gary a few years ago. Perhaps if I had been a Terp back 10-15 years ago things would be different.

Posted by: lkfkd876 | February 28, 2011 10:48 PM | Report abuse

"And it's still not getting out of the 1st weekend of the NCAAs. Some Terp fans want more than that."

Poop did it ever occur to you that maybe, just maybe, we all want more than that, we all want more wins and longer tourney runs?

Posted by: Barno1 | March 1, 2011 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Why does anyone bother to engage Poop in debate? He is a troll. He comments on every blog with the sole purpose of putting reasonable people on monkey tilt. Just take a look at the Nats Journal if you somehow need further proof of his intentions. If he makes a comment, do as I have done since day one, scroll past it. Eventually he will disappear.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | March 1, 2011 1:16 AM | Report abuse

"We have a top 25 program, there is no question about this."

I think this could be questioned post Steve Blake. Here are the recent rpi numbers from realtime rpi. #83 #24 #55 #82 #17 #51 #80 #20

Posted by: lkfkd876 | February 28, 2011 5:37 PM | Report abuse

My guess is those numbers would average somewhere in the top 30 in the nation over that span. And that's the "horrible" down years of the Gary era. Why don't you include the 2000-2003 years too? Because that would mean you're including the whole decade, which would make us not just a top 25 program but a top 10 program over the last decade. Hey why don't we just look at the last 2-3 years then?

08/09 ncaa tourney
09/10 ncaa tourney
10/11 ???

Posted by: Barno1 | February 28, 2011 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Barno, where did you go to school? Your math is reeeaaalllly reallllyy bad or your love for Gary is again blinding you at simple math skills.

If you take the 8 RPIs that are listed and then as you want, add in 2 more years at an RPI of #1, you get a total number of 414, then you divide by 10, which is for 10 years...are you still with me? You get an average of a #41.4, which means, for the past 10 years, with the Nat Championship year included, Ranking MD as the Number 1 school in the country, GARY is averaging a Ranking of 41!

So, youre Top 25 or Top 10 program is completely false/off/delusional, etc.

Gary Williams for the past 10 years, has a 41st rated program in the country average, do you see that as successful for MD basketball?????

NOW, add in this years rankings and see which direction we are headed.

Are you starting to understand why us "Garyhaters" are getting very worried and dont think he is doing such a great job, over the past 10 years?

Honestly, its simple math!

Posted by: cm88 | March 1, 2011 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Great points Poop, keep them coming!

Sorry guys but the RPI shows it in plain and simple math for you, Gary is failing! Avg ranking over the past 10 years of a 41 and its only going downhill from there.

Gary is failing, sorry you dont see it even when math/numbers, show you the truth.

Posted by: cm88 | March 1, 2011 11:11 AM | Report abuse

If you take the 8 RPIs that are listed and then as you want, add in 2 more years at an RPI of #1, you get a total number of 414, then you divide by 10, which is for 10 years...are you still with me? You get an average of a #41.4, which means, for the past 10 years, with the Nat Championship year included, Ranking MD as the Number 1 school in the country, GARY is averaging a Ranking of 41!

So, youre Top 25 or Top 10 program is completely false/off/delusional, etc.

Gary Williams for the past 10 years, has a 41st rated program in the country average, do you see that as successful for MD basketball?????
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This is f'ing hilarious. Never in all my years have I come across someone this stupid. He seriously thinks averaging a #41 RPI means that is the 41st best average RPI in the country over that span. He seriously thinks there is a team that averages a number 1 RPI over a decade, a team that averages a number 2 RPI over a decade, and so on. That was the most unintentionally funny post ever. Seriously how stupid can one person be??

Dipsh*t88, averaging an RPI of 41 over a decade would EASILY put us in the top 25 best averages in the country. I can't believe you don't understand this "simple math". Hilarious!

Posted by: Barno1 | March 1, 2011 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Funny that an RPI of 41 would probably mean that the team is on the bubble most years of reaching the NCAA's, sometimes missing it for an NIT, usually losing in the first or 2nd round of the NCAA's, mmmmmm who does that sound like dumb dumb??? Wow, that avg of a 41 is way off, rightttt!!

Posted by: cm88 | March 1, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse

"usually losing in the first or 2nd round of the NCAA's, mmmmmm"

Gary hasn't lost in the first round of the NCAA since the 1996/97 season. Are you really this stupid? mmmmmm

Posted by: Barno1 | March 1, 2011 1:26 PM | Report abuse

I was talking about a team that is ranked as a 41 would most likely lose then, wow you really do just grasp at little straws. Its obvious you are a little kid so go back to your love interest/old man fetish.

Loser + Gary= Barno's gay love interest :)

Congrats on your prediction of laughing at us Garyhaters when MD goes to the NCAA's,,,,wish you where right, but once again, you where wrong, dbag!

Posted by: cm88 | March 1, 2011 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Who cares if Poop get's high? I dont see the relevance of that on the board.

I wish we weren't making the NIT so often since the title, but I'm still a Gary lifer. The guy did more for UMD than any other person has, and he is still a great coach.

The asst coach turnover post-title hurt recruiting the most. I think we have stable asst coaches now and the recruiting will go back up. I am starting to worry about how excited we are all getting for Faust, I've been following the Bmore city games and he throws up some ugly stat lines for somebody supposed to be a shooter.

Starting lineup should be Peshon, Stogs, Mosely, Gregory, Williams. Would love to see a run this year, and I think 4 wins gets us in. Maybe into the new games between 64-68 but I'll take it.

Posted by: jpfterps | March 1, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

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