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Posted at 10:04 AM ET, 02/ 3/2011

Morning links: Maryland-Duke, the morning after

By Matt Bonesteel

Good morning.

Getting right to it: Duke shot well. Maryland, mostly, did not. The result was an 80-62 Blue Devils win. "I didn't think we were playing with the energy necessary to play a team as good as Duke," Terrapins Coach Gary Williams said.

Tracee Hamilton agrees with Williams's sentiment, saying that the Terrapins didn't seem to feed off the crowd's energy.

Via Post Now, the loss had a chilling effect on any postgame revelry in College Park.

Duke Coach Mike Krzyzewski called it "our best win of the year."

By Matt Bonesteel  | February 3, 2011; 10:04 AM ET
 
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Energy? How about shooting ability? A few made shots would have changed the game -- maybe not give the Terps a win, but it would have made them competetive. They were not competetive. The outcome was certain when the Terps got down by 15 in the first half. No team can win big games without being able to make shots and this Terps team is the worst shooting team Maryland has had since the bad old days of Bob Wade.

Posted by: MBP1 | February 3, 2011 10:32 AM | Report abuse

When Duke had 3 guys in foul trouble, Maryland stopped driving the lane and started taking rushed 3 point shots. As Jay Bilas said, Maryland didn't make Duke guard them.

Posted by: dc_attorney | February 3, 2011 10:41 AM | Report abuse

I think that the Terps did play with energy -- it's just that they couldn't buy a shot -- and Duke shot lights out. Duke is a good team but not a very deep team (mentioned by the commentators last night), and they got into foul trouble. If I were Gary Williams, I would have gone to a physical, inside game, forcing some of Duke's big men to the bench (either in deep foul trouble or fouled out). However, Duke just took its lead and salted the game away.

Posted by: jgm1961 | February 3, 2011 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Funny, every post has above has basically said, we have energy, but dont have good enough players and the coaching was suspect. Guess us Gary Haters are starting to get some traction, we need better recruiting and in-game coaching,,,sorry Gary but you are starting to get exposed, AGAIN!

Posted by: cm88 | February 3, 2011 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I think that the Terps did play with energy -- it's just that they couldn't buy a shot -- and Duke shot lights out. Duke is a good team but not a very deep team (mentioned by the commentators last night), and they got into foul trouble. If I were Gary Williams, I would have gone to a physical, inside game, forcing some of Duke's big men to the bench (either in deep foul trouble or fouled out). However, Duke just took its lead and salted the game away.

Posted by: jgm1961 | February 3, 2011 10:43 AM | Report abuse

They were doing a good job of penetrating, but that charge call on Stoglin that would have given Singler his 4th foul with a little less than 10 minutes left in the game, seemed to turn the tide. While the questionable calls went both ways, the ones at critical moments of the game always seemed to favor Duke. Both Stoglin and Howard really changed their play after that charge call, and I think it rattled the whole team because they were no longer being given an easy path to the basket.

The lack of shooting really hurt, particularly the missed layups (Mosely and Bowie mostly), but what the game ultimately boiled down to was inexperienced defensive play by the freshmen guards. Both Howard and Stoglin got caught doubling-down on ball penetration leaving Curry and Dawkins wide open for 3's. I'm fine if that happens once or twice, or even in transition (the Pe'Shon shot-fake lunge into the courtside seats), but when they other team comes down 2-3 times in a row and both guards double on ball penetration leaving the same guy open, there's a serious problem. Aside from Singler, the Terps match up favorably defensively against Duke, yet they continued to double the ball from the perimeter.

Rebounding was also a problem, and JW let a few too many balls slip through it hands. The Terps also failed to get a lot of 50/50 balls, which I chalk up to tightness, which the Terps seemed to play with all night. They were wound too tight from the start, and they never appeared comfortable all night.

Posted by: Russtinator | February 3, 2011 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Yes, the Terps shot poorly, and that by itself was probably the key difference.

But a lot of defense is energy. Did you see the Duke-St. John's game? Duke shot poorly, but St. John's was all over them defensively, or at least more so than the Terps were last night. Maybe that is what Gary was referring to?

Posted by: EdDC | February 3, 2011 11:28 AM | Report abuse

The Terps lose and cm88 comes out of his cave to start in on his GW hate.

How 'bout that. He's as predictable as a Duke flop.

Posted by: Section505203 | February 3, 2011 11:40 AM | Report abuse

How about Duke played a great game as a reason, and take Saint Mike at face value - that was the very, very best that we have played all year. Great coaching job on his behalf and creditable on GW's.

In terms of MD's performance, there are two things that stick out to me.
I was glad to see James Padgett not getting many minutes and not getting much court time WITH JW. That could have really caused foul trouble with our bigs and the guy scares me in terms of his energy. Also, he seems to be a bit of a match up problem for Singler and seems to have the speed to cover him on the wings. Russ nailed the key error on the court - the freshmen guards kept falling for the ball penetration and leaving wide, wide open threes. GW was trying to coach them out of this, but they did not respond. But to be fair, MD played excellent defense overall, chewing up every second of the shot clock. A less veteran team would have not fared as well as we did last night.

Relax guys, we'll see you at the dance. MD played a bad game and hung with the Blue Devils playing a great game for most of the game. You won't see a team with so many bigs and shooters again until the ACCT. No, you don't need to win out either. Gary will get the defensive issues fixed by Saturday. All freshmen need ot learn that lesson the hard way.

Please keep in mind that we are the reigning NCs with almost the whole team looking to repeat a la Florida. In terms of Duke teams, this edition is a great one. You guys are starting freshmen PGs.
We have Nolan Smith.

Until our match up in the ACCT, I hope for the best for your program. And I look forward especially to seeing MD pound UNC.

And if its any consolation, this really was the scariest game left on our schedule.

Posted by: Duke-Rulz-1995 | February 3, 2011 11:45 AM | Report abuse

The glory days are over.

Posted by: SirPelleas | February 3, 2011 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Oh no, we lost to one of the best teams in the country, that must mean that Gary can't recruit. Never mind the fact that he has gotten at least a top 25 class in all but one season the last decade in which we had more than 1 player in the class. Never mind the fact that he has gotten top 5 classes multiple times this decade. Never mind the fact that more of his players have gone on to become pros than almost any coach in the country (he's in the top 10). Never mind the fact that we had the ACC Player of the Year last year and might have the ACC POY again this year. Never mind the fact that we have one of the best guards in the country coming here next year. Never mind the fact that he won a National Championship without any McDonalds All Americans on the roster. Never mind the fact that the All Americans he has gotten in the past turned out to be worse players than most of his mid level recruits. Never mind the fact that Gary avoids the 1 and done players because he has also built his programs around 4 year players who develop throughout the course of their careers. Never Mind all of this...because we lost last night, so that must mean Gary can't recruit.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 3, 2011 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Last night's loss was not about one team having better players than the other, it was about one team coming out with must-win intensity and the other playing freshmen point guards that made glaring errors on defense and without a secondary player stepping up to share the load.

Posted by: Russtinator | February 3, 2011 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I think it means their players/team is better.

Posted by: SirPelleas | February 3, 2011 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Recruiting does help a little, Russ. In 2008, Duke had two 4-star and one 5-star. In 2009, they got two 5-star and one 4-star. In 2010, it was one 5-star, one 4-star and one 3-star, plus they get Curry to transfer in. In 2011, they bring in three 5-stars and one 4-star (yet another Plumlee). And Duke gets most of these guys to stay in the program.

I can't blame Gary for not matching this record. No one matches this record, except for a couple schools that focus on the one-and-done guys.

Still, the Terps will beat Duke more than they could be expected to--because the Terps do have a great coach.

Posted by: EdDC | February 3, 2011 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Yes I am out of my cave, it now looks like we are headed to a 4th NIT in 8 years under Gary, but Barno and the rest of Garylover land, wants to keep giving him a pass. Yes, he cant recruit, not just because we lost one game to Duke last night you idiot, but because we cannot beat a ranked team, because we are on the bubble again, because we dont have top players to help are one good player, because we dont have any good shooters, need I keep teaching you basketball and open your eyes just to be a tad realistic or are you just going to believe everything Gary does is wonderful.

So Barno the MD Expert,,,,when is enough? Seriously, how many more years do we go to NIT's and/or lose in the first/second round of the NCAA's, not be a Top 20 team, and not be considered a top program, before Gary should move on? Its been 8 years, I am serious, how many more years should us MD Fans keep hoping that the next class will be any good?

Posted by: cm88 | February 3, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Btw, did you hear Duke's starting lineup,,,2 guys from MD/DC and I think K Irving is from MD....dont you think Gary should be keeping some of these kids at home? You can keep making fun of the MC'd all americans, but they are a lot better players than our kids and have been for years.

Posted by: cm88 | February 3, 2011 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Golly, it was only last year, in the 2010 tournament, that the Terps showed they could play with any team in the nation, losing by two to the eventual NCAA winner. Terps tied with Duke last year with the best ACC record.

I know, what have you done for me lately.....but you do need to rebuild some years more than others when you lose key guys. Even UNC does not have winners every season.

Posted by: EdDC | February 3, 2011 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I am an "idiot" for not wanting Gary Williams fired from the head basketball coach at UMD. Cm88, did you have the guts to hold up that sign saying "Fire Gary" last night, or did you chicken out?

Posted by: Barno1 | February 3, 2011 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Irving is from NJ. Nolan Smith is from MD, however.

Do you honestly think a better reasoned, more persuasive and more persistent sales pitch would have convinced Smith or Irving that they should have been Terps? Once Coach K waves that Duke Blue in front of them, they all get dazed.

Posted by: EdDC | February 3, 2011 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Btw, did you hear Duke's starting lineup,,,2 guys from MD/DC and I think K Irving is from MD....dont you think Gary should be keeping some of these kids at home? You can keep making fun of the MC'd all americans, but they are a lot better players than our kids and have been for years.

Posted by: cm88 | February 3, 2011 1:37 PM | Report abuse

What did 5 McDonalds All-Americans get UNC last season? Oh, that's right, an NIT Championship game appearance. It's not about getting McDonalds All-Americans, it's about getting kids that want to improve and play as a team. The college game is becoming increasingly a team game that is no longer dominated by star players. Sure, every team has a star, and some of them can carry their team. One of Duke's McDonalds All-Americans scored a whopping 3 points with 4 turnovers last night. Not even Mosely's night was that bad.

Kyrie Irving is from New Jersey.

Jordan Williams is one of the best PF/Cs in the country, so find me a McDonalds All-American who is better.

Grevis Vasquez was one of the best combo guards in the country last year. Find me one of his contemporaries that was an All-American but better.

Some McDonalds All-Americans turn out to be great players. However, more often than not, those kids enter college thinking they're BMOC, and have a hard time adjusting to the college game. Gary brings in solid classes of kids that typically progress and improve throughout their careers. Unfortunately, just like when you pick McD All-Americans, they all don't pan out. This was supposed to be the year Sean Mosely (second leading scoring in Maryland HS basketball history) was supposed to take off. He's declined. Bowie and Tucker got stuck behind Milbourne, Hayes, and Vasquez, and never got the seasoning they needed to become impact players this year. A solid freshmen class is playing like, well freshmen. Aside from Irving, how many freshmen are contributing at Duke? Andre Dawkins (Mr. #2 ranked guard in the 2009 class) is out of necessity, and is putting up numbers pretty similar Stoglin, except this is his second year.

Mychal Parker (#45 player in the country) was supposed to be an immediate impact player for the Terps, but can't seem to buy minutes while three other freshmen getting solid minutes ahead of him.

I would be concerned if Gary was scraping the bottom of the barrel to get players to come in, but the guys he's getting are all solid players out of high school, and his classes consistantly rank in the top 25 in the country. I'm not sure why you continue to think getting McDonals All-Americans and keeping kids in state is going to make the Terps some kind of juggernaut. We've been there and seen that, and the result was 2 straight NITs followed by one ACC Tournament Championship, so I'd much rather stick with the solid second tier guys and consistantly finish with 20-25 wins than go to 2 straight NITs just to say Gary signed a bunch of McDonalds All-Americans.

Posted by: Russtinator | February 3, 2011 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Barnie,,,Gary doesnt like 1 and doners?? Ok how long was Steve Francis here?

Ok, who was the guy that took us over the top to win the Nat Champ? Answer that most sane people will say, Wilcox. How long was he here, 2 years.

Jordan Williams POY??? Really, did you watch the Duke game, did you see a 6'9 cracker on Duke killing everyone that covered him,,,in both games?

Who cares that we won 1 Nat Champ without any McD all americans, they all ended up playing at the pro level, so Gary got lucky with 1 group of kids, what has he done since is the issue. So you would rather never win another Nat Champ and hope for lightening to strike, then to have Gary go recruit some studs that may leave after 1 or 2 years, but help us win ACC or NCAA championships. Please moron, look at who has won or been in the finals of the Nat Champ over the past couple of years,,,,,most if not all have had 1 or 2 years and done guys, along with role players, to take them there UNC, Ohio State, Memphis, Duke, Florida.

Gary loves role players, ie thats all that he can recruit, but we need Top Players, that move onto the NBA quickly because they dominate,,,not 4 year guys that by their senior year can maybe very good college players.

Posted by: cm88 | February 3, 2011 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Barnie,,,Gary doesnt like 1 and doners?? Ok how long was Steve Francis here?

Ok, who was the guy that took us over the top to win the Nat Champ? Answer that most sane people will say, Wilcox. How long was he here, 2 years.

Jordan Williams POY??? Really, did you watch the Duke game, did you see a 6'9 cracker on Duke killing everyone that covered him,,,in both games?

Who cares that we won 1 Nat Champ without any McD all americans, they all ended up playing at the pro level, so Gary got lucky with 1 group of kids, what has he done since is the issue. So you would rather never win another Nat Champ and hope for lightening to strike, then to have Gary go recruit some studs that may leave after 1 or 2 years, but help us win ACC or NCAA championships. Please moron, look at who has won or been in the finals of the Nat Champ over the past couple of years,,,,,most if not all have had 1 or 2 years and done guys, along with role players, to take them there UNC, Ohio State, Memphis, Duke, Florida.

Gary loves role players, ie thats all that he can recruit, but we need Top Players, that move onto the NBA quickly because they dominate,,,not 4 year guys that by their senior year can maybe very good college players.

Posted by: cm88 | February 3, 2011 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Seriously folks, you think a coaching change will help in recruiting? Lets face it, this is the ACC albeit a down year, but the good players go to power houses like Duke and UNC. The Terps find diamonds in the rough, ie Joe Smith, Jordan Williams, Juan Dixon, etc., but seriously, the better players in the country go to the blue chip schools, why compete against the power house programs when you can play for them. As for all the people complaining about losing homegrown talent, again I say, why play against the powers when you can play for them. Its about exposure, selling your skill set to the NBA. DO you think the kids go to school for the education? Its the stop gap and visual resume for the NBA. No matter who coaches at maryland and how many homegrown stars they keep, it takes more than 1 player to make a good team. If MD had a reliable outside shooter, then they would be winning more allowing williams to be more dominant inside. MD is and will always be that average squad. Wake up people!

Posted by: mgatorian1 | February 3, 2011 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Russ,

What you say is true. As you point out, a Kevin Durant who jumps to the pros early will not be as valuable as his lesser-ranked teammate, Vasquez, who stayed all four years. Still it does help, as a general rule, to recruit the best players you can, and often that means kids who are well-regarded.

Last year, I looked at the top eight teams--the elite eight--in the tournament. They all had loads of recruits with many stars! The teams that didn't make it far in the tournament (or not make it into the tournament at all) had lower-ranked recruits. So you get the best players, and hope enough stay with you to get some chemistry going.

You can find exceptions of course, like UNC. But even with UNC, they will win, looking at them over many years, compared to teams who don't get the top stars--as a general rule.

Posted by: EdDC | February 3, 2011 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Russ,,,I got this from someone else posting on a MD board...here is a list how other people feel, not just me. You name some "good" players, but none was "great". Gv had a very good career but was not a dominant player. You think Top 25 recruiting classes are good enough? Sorry but MD, should be getting Top 10 classes, every couple of years at a minimum. Top 25 is average at best,,,again, I dont want an average program, but you are arguing with me and it sounds like you are saying Gary is doing a great job, yet we are headed towards another NIT,,,4th in 8 years,,,thats an issue,,,agree? If you agree, then its Garys fault, cause its his program,,agree?

I really respect that you put a ton of time, class, and effort into your posts, unlike some dbag...like me :) I see you are obviously a fan, but dont you think there is a problem with our program. Yes I dont want top players to come in and under achieve like Roy Williams, but I do want top players and then compete, like many of the other programs I mentioned. I am ok with a down year or two,,,but we are on a 8 year run, and its Gary's program.

Here is what a poster said on Scout:

Accept the fact that big time local products such as Rudy Gay, DaJuan Summers, Carmelo Anthony, Malcolm Delaney, Austin Freeman, Dante Green, Kevin Durant, Jeff Green, Roy Hibbert, Michael Beasley and many others over the years don't even have MD on their radar. ZERO insterest in choosing the in-state program


Russ,,,dont you think thats a problem, we dont get any,,,NOT ONE, of the big name guys. Not that it would guarantee wins, but it probably would help.


BARNIE, actually I didnt carry a sign because I am not a tool like you. But, we where talking about it very openly in my section and no one disagreed, not because they where scared of me, but because they including my Garylover best friend, are starting to see the truth and are tired of being losers that only hope to beat Duke and nothing else,,,,sounds like us Skins fans!

Barnie, I know you cannot think objectively, lets just agree to disagree. I want more for my favorite team that I have supported for 35 years, you want to cheer on Gary and whatever he does, and you like being mediocore/average. We are different, I want and expect the best.

Posted by: cm88 | February 3, 2011 3:09 PM | Report abuse

PS BARNIE,,,,please answer the question,,,where will you be when you are laughing at us Garyhaters during NCAA Selection time, I would like to buy you a drink when MD makes it into the NCAA's like you have predicted, since I am such an idiot for thinking we are headed to another NIT.

Posted by: cm88 | February 3, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Russ, sorry my post is a bit tarded,,,you have to jump down to the scout post for what they said, the other stuff before where my words :) I donts writes so wells sometimes :)

Posted by: cm88 | February 3, 2011 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Good post EDdc

Posted by: cm88 | February 3, 2011 3:15 PM | Report abuse

cm88,

I guess where we disagree is that you think Gary can and should get these kid-superstars to come and play for the Terps, while my view is that most will weigh all their options, and play where they want, whether it is locally (G'town) or any number of superb programs away from this area.

Posted by: EdDC | February 3, 2011 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Barnie,,,Gary doesnt like 1 and doners?? Ok how long was Steve Francis here?

Ok, who was the guy that took us over the top to win the Nat Champ? Answer that most sane people will say, Wilcox. How long was he here, 2 years.

Jordan Williams POY??? Really, did you watch the Duke game, did you see a 6'9 cracker on Duke killing everyone that covered him,,,in both games?

Posted by: cm88 | February 3, 2011 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Steve Francis should probably have played for Maryland for 3 years, but didn't have the grades, and spend 2 years at JUCO before bolting for the NBA after 1 season at Maryland.

Wilcox was a sophomore when he left, so not a 1 and done. He won a National Championship, and was a projected lottery pick, so there was no reason for him to return. As far as coming out of high school, he was just a top 30 player, and not a McDonald's All-American. As far as the player that put the Terps over the hump, I think most fans would say Mouton was that player. Wilcox did improve dramatically that year, but that team does not beat Kansas in the Final Four without Mouton. He probably should have stayed another year at Maryland, because his first couple of years in LA stunted his growth and development as a player. He didn't establish a mid-range jumper until he got to Seattle, which he probably would have perfected in just one more year with the Terps.

That 6'9" cracker I think was the Final Four MOP last year (Kyle Singler), and has done a number on the Terps this season (25 and 10 in Cameron and 22 and 6 last night), but look at what JW has done to Duke this year (20 and 10 in Comcast and 23 and 13 in Durham), so I think JW would be winning in the head to head matchup. For the whole season. JW is the 4th leading rebounder in the entire country, and is one of a handful of guys averaging a double double this season. JW is most definitely a POY candidate, not just in the ACC, but in the country (Jimmer Fredette has it all but locked up though). JW has become a POY candidate in his sophomore season, while it's taken Singler (another McDonald's All-America) 3 years to develop into yet another Dukie that will have an amazing college career and flame out in the NBA.

Posted by: Russtinator | February 3, 2011 3:30 PM | Report abuse

"Barnie,,,Gary doesnt like 1 and doners?? Ok how long was Steve Francis here?" -Certified Moron88

That was a joke right? What a great example, since you know everyone knew Francis was going to be one-and-done coming from Junior College.

"Ok, who was the guy that took us over the top to win the Nat Champ? Answer that most sane people will say, Wilcox. How long was he here, 2 years." -Certified Moron88

Most "sane" people believe Wilcox took us over the top to win the Nat Champ? Really?? No doubt he was a big factor in the title team, but i think most "sane" people would credit Juan Dixon for the championship a little more than anyone else. As for Wilcox being a one-and-doner coming out of high school..again, I have to ask, are you kidding or are you being serious? Hopefully, for your sake, you're joking.

"Jordan Williams POY??? Really, did you watch the Duke game, did you see a 6'9 cracker on Duke killing everyone that covered him,,,in both games?" Certified Moron88

Cracker? Jordan Williams has no chance to be POY? Man, you are just digging yourself a deeper and deeper hole. It's going to be so much fun bringing these comments up later.

"Who cares that we won 1 Nat Champ without any McD all americans, they all ended up playing at the pro level, so Gary got lucky"

Gary got lucky? I bet he got lucky last year too, winning the ACC coach of the year. In fact, I bet he's been lucky his whole career, since well, he's headed to the Hall of Fame one day.

"what has he done since is the issue."

Since? He's taken 5 teams to the tourney, gone to the sweet 16, won an ACC tournament, won an ACC regular season title along with Duke, and last year almost went to the final four again if they hadn't been beaten on a last second 3 pointer (that part is debatable, but at the very least, they'd have been favored in their sweet 16 and elite 8 match ups).

"Please moron, look at who has won or been in the finals of the Nat Champ over the past couple of years,,,,,most if not all have had 1 or 2 years and done guys, along with role players, to take them there UNC, Ohio State, Memphis, Duke, Florida."

Please moron, I don't remember any one and doners on the UNC/Duke/Florida teams that won championships. Do you really follow sports? It doesn't seem like it.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 3, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Russ,

What you say is true. As you point out, a Kevin Durant who jumps to the pros early will not be as valuable as his lesser-ranked teammate, Vasquez, who stayed all four years. Still it does help, as a general rule, to recruit the best players you can, and often that means kids who are well-regarded.

Posted by: EdDC | February 3, 2011 3:00 PM | Report abuse

The problem with the 1-and-dones is that it screws up you classes. You end up with ebbs and flows, and open yourselves up to having disasterous season, like GaTech, UNC, and Wake. Unless you play dirty by yanking kids' scholarships away to sign the hottest recruit (like Calipari regularly does), it can be difficult to sustain even moderate success.

Look at UNC...In 2009, Roy Williams signed two guys (Henson and Strickland) assuming they were 1-and-dones. When fall 2009 signing day came along and Roy's offering spots in the 2010 class, he offers spots that he thinks will be vacated by Henson and Strickland. By the end of the year, Williams realizes that the two McDonalds All-Americans are not good enough to make the jump, and now he's got 2 fewer spots to offer with Barnes, Bullock, and Marshall already giving signed committments. He then has to force the Wear brothers (also McDonalds All-Americans) to transfer. Roy handled this situation a lot better than Calipari, who just yanks scholarships from kids and leaves them out to dry, by finding them spots on the UCLA roster. It is a serious problem in college basketball, and something I think Gary conciously tries to avoid by signing kids that are just below that elite level.

Posted by: Russtinator | February 3, 2011 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Russ, yeah thats why I said 2 years for Wilcox in my post, remember him very well. And was just saying, he was a huge piece in stopping anyone under the basket and giving us a defensive presence. But again, he was not a 4 year guy, I think we need to go after 1 and 2 year guys to go along with our 4 year role players.

Good debating with you Russ, thanks for all the details and thought.

Barnie, you on the other hand still just keep coming back with no real thought or insight or debatable points, you just keep going to the emotions and not answering the question, are you happy with the state of the program? If so, very sad!

You didnt read my post, because I mentioned Wilcox was a 2 year guy, read dopey. Juan is my favorite player other than Bias, so I know he was the leader, but point was, we needed a guy like Wilcox to come in and dominate the defensive side/boards, etc. and thats what we need more of, 1 and 2 year guys that truly dominate other players when needed.

Again, didnt say Jordan has NO chance, just stating that he is not the leader and that I dont give a F about individual accomplishments by guys like Gary, coach of the year yet I lost in the first round of the ACC and the 2nd round of the NCAA tourn, Williams or Grevis, I took us to NIT and 2nd round losses, Vaz.

You seemed in love with individuals, like little boys are,,,I love the program, sorry kid!

Again, do you still think I am a certified moron for thinking we are going to ANOTHER NIT under Gary or am I wrong again. haha

Have a great weekend, keep bashing me, I am off to Tahoe for snowboarding and losing my money at craps...its nice to have a life outside of blogging Barnie, you should get one :)

Posted by: cm88 | February 3, 2011 3:52 PM | Report abuse

forget about it cm88.. this crowd sees nothing wrong in Garyland. In fact they should call it the Garyland Terps and not the Maryland Terps since their more interested in Gary than Maryland. I say Anderson names the floor after Gary and gives him a parting gift and goes hard after the coach from Butler to make us relevant again on a national basis. When was the last time we were ranked in the Top 10? How long will it be before we are again? We could easily be talking a 10 year stretch without that kind of ranking for even a week. There are many ways to evaluate a program. I think it's rather eye opening how far we've fallen from Gary's golden years of 97-01. I see zero evidence they're coming back and each year they're further in the rear view mirror.

Posted by: restonhoops | February 3, 2011 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Accept the fact that big time local products such as Rudy Gay, DaJuan Summers, Carmelo Anthony, Malcolm Delaney, Austin Freeman, Dante Green, Kevin Durant, Jeff Green, Roy Hibbert, Michael Beasley and many others over the years don't even have MD on their radar. ZERO insterest in choosing the in-state program


Russ,,,dont you think thats a problem, we dont get any,,,NOT ONE, of the big name guys. Not that it would guarantee wins, but it probably would help.

Posted by: cm88 | February 3, 2011 3:09 PM | Report abuse

And how many National Championships did those guys win? Just one, Melo. Beasley and Durrant both failed to make a Final Four in their one season. Delaney's been to fewer NCAAs than the Terps have in the past 3 years. Durant wanted out of the area. Rudy Gay doesn't count, and the others you list all went to G-Town, which has a natural local recruiting edge over Maryland.

And what did each of those teams do in the year after said 1 and done player left? In most cases, the team either failed to make the NCAA or flamed out in the first round.

1-and-dones seem great until you look at what they do to programs. Duke has done a pretty decent job of keeping their potential 1-and-dones in school, but when they were leaving with regularity (Avery, Magette, Brand, Boozer, etc...), he as criticized for not getting further in the tournament with despite the depleated talent on the roster. Very few programs have been able to sustain success with 1-and-dones, so if ou want to shoot for the moon every 4-6 years, but be last in the ACC with the same regularity, then go right ahead. I'd rather stay in the top half of the conference and catch lightning in a bottle every 4 years than yo-yo up and down the conference standings every year.

Posted by: Russtinator | February 3, 2011 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Lose one game to a top 5 team at home and all of a sudden all the fire Gary morons come crawling out of the woodwork. Maryland is a good but young and inexperienced team. So what if we lose to Duke twice this year. This group of freshmen and next years class will experience several victories against the hated Dukies. Gary runs an outstanding program and he has had his best success recruiting the players who were overlooked by the Blue Chip Schools. Much of the local talent just want to go to one of these schools to get away. College Park is located too close for some of these top players from PG County. It makes no sense to hold it against Gary, we get good players who want to play away from wherever they come from like Stoglin and Howard. Just accept it and these kids will suprise us. We have a good nucleus of a team and this year will end up better than all the prognosticators blogging here are predicting.

Posted by: torope | February 3, 2011 4:20 PM | Report abuse

You seemed in love with individuals, like little boys are,,,I love the program, sorry kid!

Again, do you still think I am a certified moron for thinking we are going to ANOTHER NIT under Gary or am I wrong again. haha


Posted by: cm88 | February 3, 2011 3:52 PM | Report abuse

OK, then why are you so infatuated with individual rankings. The bottom line is the Maryland program is one of the most successful in the nation under Gary Williams, and continues to be. It is the 3rd best program in the ACC behind two of the most storied in the history of college basketball.

Do you ever think of what would happen to Maryland basketball if you wish would come true, and Gary Williams is gone? Maryland would likely become a mediocre program in search of a coach that had the clout to carry Gary's clipboard.

Gary's about to tie one of the most successful coaches in history (John Wooden) in victories, and you want to show him the door?

Have you seen the pain other marquee programs have gone through after replacing legends? What's going on in Indiana? How about UNC after Guthridge? What about Michigan or Oklahoma State? Arizona, yeah they're getting better, but nearly 3 years of obscurity for that program to get back to just respectability. Even G-Town after JTII left was average at best, and still has only been to 1 Final Four since Big John retired.

If someone can name me a coach that can do better than Gary right now that would legitimately sign on to be the head coach, I'd be glad to discuss the idea of getting rid of Gary. However, until someone can come up with that name, calls for Gary's head are just plain ignorant from people who have no idea how good Maryland has had it under Gary Williams.

Posted by: Russtinator | February 3, 2011 4:25 PM | Report abuse

""Jordan Williams POY???" -Certified Moron88 at 2:55 p.m.
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"Again, didnt say Jordan has NO chance [to be POY]" -Certified Moron88 at 3:52 p.m.

Now, it's true we may need a psychologist and a translator to help understand the drunken ramblings of the madman that is Certified Moron88, but I think we can all agree on one thing: when someone puts not one, not two, but three question marks at the end of someone else's quote, they are generally questioning it.

"Jordan Williams POY???" followed by me calling him out for thinking JW has no chance to be POY, followed by him saying "Again, didnt say Jordan has NO chance [to be POY]" is just more unintentional comedy by CM88.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 3, 2011 4:37 PM | Report abuse

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