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Posted at 3:40 PM ET, 02/12/2011

Talk about Maryland's second loss to Boston College

By Matt Bonesteel

Boston College completed the regular season sweep of Maryland on Saturday with a 76-72 win.

The answer to the obvious question -- what are the Terrapins' NCAA tournament at-large chances now? -- is pretty clear: They aren't good. So the floor is yours in the comments. Vent away, talk about any optimism you have left, whatever.

By Matt Bonesteel  | February 12, 2011; 3:40 PM ET
Categories:  Men's basketball  
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Today was the opportunity to make a statement. And in a way, I guess we did.

Very disappointing. Tucker and Bowie were terrible. But we did get a chance to see Stoglin and Howard play together, and I thought for the most part they did well.

Posted by: LeeM9308 | February 12, 2011 3:48 PM | Report abuse

We pretty much can afford to lose to UNC and that's it at this point. It's not impossible for this team to win five of the next six considering the competition, but a team that gets swept by Boston College is not a team you can count on to win five of six against anyone.

Stoglin and Howard are starting to get it going. Hawk has been decent lately. Here's hoping that next year's freshmen are better than this year's seniors, and we could be a dangerous team for Jordan's last two years. But this is certainly a disappointment for a team that showed such promise in early-season losses to top 10-or-20 teams.

Posted by: Lumas101 | February 12, 2011 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Losing to BC is no disgrace. Losing twice is still no disgrace. They start three seniors and a junior who should be first team All-ACC.
They are a very good team and do not rely on any one player, even though jackson took off today and was clearly the best player on the floor!

Posted by: danl3 | February 12, 2011 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry guys. We won the NCAA Title about a decade ago. We rock.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 12, 2011 4:06 PM | Report abuse

This team will be good next year if Stoglin and Howard can take steps forward and Padgett can show something.

When your team has to rely on 5 guards that means it has no one guard to rely on, and that's a problem. The college game - and ACC in particular - is typically a guard-reliant game and we don't have a steady ball-handler or a steady 3-point shooter.

Posted by: p1funk | February 12, 2011 4:14 PM | Report abuse

danl3, what's your over/under for how many losses to BC is a disgrace?? (There just might be another one on the horizon.)

Posted by: spunkydawg1 | February 12, 2011 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Face it. I like Gary Williams, but he is just going to continue to have MD in this situation for the remainder of his time as head coach. He got out-coached by the BC coach for the 2nd game in a row and makes no adjustments that win games. He make some very bad substitutions and did not help Jordan today. Damn shame and we've seen no development of his seniors at all. Poor job by Gary. He gets accolades when they win and should take the hits" when then don't.

Posted by: leed191195 | February 12, 2011 4:16 PM | Report abuse

When the Terps went cold in the second half, this showed me they cannot win against there supposed same tier (middle of the pack) competition. They had nobody to put the ball in the basket. Meanwhile BC was shooting lights out.

I see nit. vt coming up next and then carolina? 5 and 7 then. Even if they win the other four. It's 9 and 7. They would have to win the tourney to get in and that just isn't going to happen.

Posted by: M20832 | February 12, 2011 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Face it. I like Gary Williams, but he is just going to continue to have MD in this situation for the remainder of his time as head coach.

Posted by: leed191195 | February 12, 2011 4:16 PM | Report abuse


He was 13-3 and co-champ of the ACC last year.

Get some perspective, dude.

Posted by: p1funk | February 12, 2011 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Gary sucks. I don't know how he ever won those hundreds of games, or that national championship. Just flukes, I guess. I know SO much more about coaching than he does.

Posted by: spunkydawg1 | February 12, 2011 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Jackson was unbelievable. That and no dominant perimeter scorer means another tough loss. The good news is you can see the potential of the freshman guards. If Williams stays and Faust gives us anything next year there's a not of hope. But right now they're simply not good enough.

Posted by: themantoyou | February 12, 2011 4:36 PM | Report abuse

And for all of you that tout Gary, what are the results of MD's seasons since 2002? What have they done? We have the WORST record of any National Champion following a title - as far as wins AND recruits. On top of that, we consistently are a middle of the pack team. But, I we have a bunch of people who love to be middle of the pack and hold on to past glory. You people disgust me. i appreciate what Gary has done in the past and how he has built this program. But, he has not gotten it done in the last 8 years. In Bball, MD should be right next to Duke, UNC, Uconn and others with the resources and talent we have. This is completely different from issues facing football AND the program is not where it should be. We are basically a middle road team that is rarely ranked and gets no top talent each year. That is not how it should be..

Posted by: leed191195 | February 12, 2011 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Sigh. I love my team, forever and always, but it's not looking good for the Dance us this season.

It's a young team and we knew that coming into the season. Tough to replace GV, Landon, and mini-Blake all in one season - particularly with a bunch of guys who never started.

Keep plugging, fellas. Show us you have one more surprise left in you. GO TERPS!!!

Posted by: info_stuporhighway | February 12, 2011 4:44 PM | Report abuse

And you disgust us right back, leed191195. Clueless buffoon.

Posted by: spunkydawg1 | February 12, 2011 4:45 PM | Report abuse


He was 13-3 and co-champ of the ACC last year.

Get some perspective, dude.

Posted by: p1funk | February 12, 2011 4:24 PM

And hasn't been to the second weekend of the NCAA Tournament in over 7 years - doesn't look like they'll get there this year either. The perspective is that this program is seriously underachieving for its status, history and resources. I also love Gary but he has taken his foot off the gas since the national title - no two ways about it. You're not being a bad fan or disloyal when you admit that.

I hope and assume that Jordan Williams will stay next season, addition by subtracting the seniors who just look out of it. Could be better next year, but a major ACC program shouldn't be saying "maybe next year" this often.

Posted by: Kev29 | February 12, 2011 4:54 PM | Report abuse

spunktdawg1..everyone is entitled to there opinion..the only clueless buffoon is you and your comments...Gary took the chance to developevs win and it has backfired...he still cannot figure out the right mix


Posted by: carolina1 | February 12, 2011 4:58 PM | Report abuse

i'd love to see kevin anderson fire gary williams and hire anthony grant

Posted by: slick3 | February 12, 2011 5:26 PM | Report abuse

There is really nothing to say. When you look at this collection of players it seems impossible that they will turn things around. I mean who in their right mind would think they could win the ACC Tournament.

Now people calling for GW to be fired just don't understand the economics of that decision. It isn't going to happen and it shouldn't happen. Maryland is going to ride this out with him. But it is hard to see him getting an extension on his contract and I have no idea when it is up. We have become a program that makes the NCAA Tournament half the time. When we make it we win one or no games and that's it. Fun, fun, fun!

Posted by: petecard | February 12, 2011 5:28 PM | Report abuse

his contract is up june 30, 2013. so we have at least two more years of this garbage

Posted by: slick3 | February 12, 2011 5:37 PM | Report abuse

I went to the game this afternoon. This much is clear: No one on Maryland's team cares at all about losing. In fact, they seem pretty unaffected by all of it. They just don't care. And it was obvious.

This team belongs in the NIT. It's a simple as that. They're just not that good of a team. Period. Gary can lobby in the media all he wants about the ACC getting 5 or 6 teams in to the NCAAs, but Maryland doesn't belong. The players don't mind anyway, so why should we?

And I think the Bowie-Tucker era is officially over. Gary had P'Shon and Stoglin in the game during crunch time. I like Bowie's effort, but he's not a starter. Tucker literally looked like a zombie on the bench. He didn't even look like he knew he was a basketball game.

Posted by: WheelsRI | February 12, 2011 5:44 PM | Report abuse

As an outsider, I consider Gary a good coach, but it looks like the college teams that are successful now are teams that keep most of their players for a full four years. This is a team that appears to be very young.

Posted by: sportsfan2 | February 12, 2011 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: carolina1 | February 12, 2011 4:58 PM
carolina1, i agree that jw is likely done after next season if he even stays after this one( he could use one more yr and be a likely top 5 pick) but got smoked in ncaa tourney last year?!?!?!?!?!really? since when is a last secoond shot with the clock running out a fluke?

Posted by: toddwhite2004 | February 12, 2011 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Disappointed in Bowie, Tucker, and Mosley on offense. Gary should tell Mosley to never shoot outside of 10 feet. He had long misses at what I thought were critical points in the game. Also, what happened to Howard after he popped in three 3-pointers? Why do you sit someone who is hot for a long period? Lastly, why don't the Terps leave their feet for rebounds? BC got a number of rebounds by jumping above Terp players from behind. Just not the level of play I was expecting to see from the Terps in this critical game.

Posted by: MrScrotums | February 12, 2011 6:07 PM | Report abuse

toddwhite. lets get real. maryland wasnt prepared for that michigan state game. yes, they made a frantic run at the end but msu controlled the vast majority of that game.

Posted by: slick3 | February 12, 2011 6:08 PM | Report abuse

JW will be a four year player because, as good as he may be as a 6'10 college center, he's not a good enough shooter to play power forward in the NBA. He needs two more years.

We'll miss Dino next year, but losing Bowie and Tucker will be addition by subtraction, as someone has already mentioned. Next year's team will be good and the 2012-13 will be a beast - like nothing College Park has seen in 10 years. Just in time for Gary's contract extension negotiations.

Posted by: MBP1 | February 12, 2011 6:23 PM | Report abuse

a big loss and all the gary haters come out. no surprise here. become duke fans and get it over with!!!

Posted by: dacoitdan | February 12, 2011 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Face it. I like Gary Williams, but he is just going to continue to have MD in this situation for the remainder of his time as head coach.

Posted by: leed191195 | February 12, 2011 4:16 PM | Report abuse


He was 13-3 and co-champ of the ACC last year.

Get some perspective, dude.


This is perspective: Because Gary Williams can't recruit quality recruits on a regular basis, he is forced to take large classes. What does this do?

When the large class becomes seniors, we are competitive. The next three years, we are "young" and not competitive.

If you are happy with one good year, followed by three bad years, then you can have Gary Williams.

Most of us prefer to compete on a REGULAR basis.

Posted by: FormerDemocrat | February 12, 2011 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Bowie and Tucker have been a major disappointmnet.. No senior leadership on this team at all..Gregory has been OK. but this team needs a solid 4 to take the pressure off JW, and a 1 that can lead this team...Howard and Stoglin have shown flashes at times, but still need to learn..This team seems to be heading in the wrong direction..We'll see.. At least SVP was there behind the bench.. Couldn't he wear a little MD garb???

Posted by: frostanna | February 12, 2011 6:35 PM | Report abuse

this will be 4 of the last 8 years in the nit. thats perspective

Posted by: slick3 | February 12, 2011 6:44 PM | Report abuse

slick the point is that everyone on here overreacts to wins AND losses. carolina's statement is the perfect example.btw,in the msu game durrel summers was 6-8 from 3,a career day.along vasquez shot until he got hot late which i think was the difference .anyways,I didnt know that a two point loss was a blow out was my point.

Posted by: toddwhite2004 | February 12, 2011 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Keep williams..He will always get ya in the middle of the pack..Last yr acc 13-3 was a fluke..the real team showed up in the ncaa tourney...Gone..this yr NIT along with the other d2 schools...Williams is a good coach but one lazy MF when it comes to recruiting..I just saw a note published by Ty Lawson explaining how terps recruited him...Basically williams said we luv to have you period..Want a example of a coach recruiting...Nort Carolina wins the national championship and the NEXT week Roy williams is at oak hill recruiting

Posted by: carolina1 | February 12, 2011 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Get off your ass and recruit! It's not rocket science.

Posted by: Hogie | February 12, 2011 7:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm gonna lay off the Gary wagon. It's a tired horse. Some guys will suck a hose till it's dry. On to the game. BC is not a great team by any measure. Apparently they did overcome the one known factor, JW. It wasn't apparent. It was obvious. I thought they needed a time out early. JW has become a good FT shooter but this team needs him for 20. Dino was surprisingly good when Trapani wasn't in there. Neither team shot well except for Howard's 3's and BC's treys but they weren't shooting the lights out either. Box score on ESPN is screwed up with BC having 4 more 3's than MD and the same amount of FT's and two's. Anyway, Bowie is not physical but he tries. Hawk couldn't keep up with anyone off the dribble. Mosley is a wash. His defense is good and offense is ok. Then he quits out there and makes some lame mistake and the swing is 5. I've seen it so often he should know after 3 10 footers he should wait to be fouled. Tucker needs more time to play well but his defensive fouls are so bad I wonder why he bothers. Jackson? What's there to say. They screened and MD ran around in circles like chickens with their heads off. That's not Gary's fault. They should know how to guard. Hey Tom Izzo's not going to get a dance card either. Gary knows this is not the best team he's coached. No one expected three seniors with nothing but a few highlights to produce. Howard is smooth. Stoglin is another trade off who could do well if he was faster and there was inside help to guard and make rebounds besides JW. And occasionally Dino and Mosley and his 4 rebounds. Again and again there's this circumspect treatment of ACC ball like Naismith had Carolina and MD in mind when he invented the game. Balance. Size, speed, tenacity, drills, spirit, toughness, strength and moves. If u can't shoot get off the f'n court and give your scholarship to someone who can. I dunno. I forgot the name of that big four star player someone recruited who could bring glory back. I guess he doesn't know how to play as well as every scout in the country predicted. What else is new. It's an old story. Next year three guards and Paget plus JW? Hawk? If the ball doesn't land in his hands he won't be strong enough to wrestle it away from anyone. Jordan needs help. Pe'shon is ok now. Stoglin I don't know. He's hard to trust all the time. But he's aggressive. Give me some speed merchants anyday with a couple of bigs and Barney Google could win a championship. It doesn't take a genius to win when u have the elements.

Posted by: KraftPaper | February 12, 2011 7:09 PM | Report abuse

It was a competitive heart-braking loss to a tough match-up. They are getting better. If they get hot at tournament time, they could win it all. Never count Gary out.

Posted by: flynnie321 | February 12, 2011 7:31 PM | Report abuse

What in the H*LL is WTEM doing to our broadcasts? Cutting out from seconds 13 to 4? Running ads during critical parts of the game? Running the national ESPN broadcast while the Terps have made it close? Silence? All this is happening in every broadcast and somebody at Maryland needs to see to it that their fans can listen to Johnny and Chris without the heart-stopping interruptions.

Posted by: flynnie321 | February 12, 2011 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Just have to hang in there. Lot of good supportive comments from real Terp fans. They are playing with a lot of heart, they just need more time and experience. B.C. is a tough match-up for us this year, we seem to bring out the best in both Duke and B.C.

Posted by: stevestegman | February 12, 2011 8:22 PM | Report abuse

We are headed to the NIT for one reason: talent. Gary is a great coach, but Bino needs recruit some talented personnel. Gary or anyone else can't get it done with players the caliber of Tucker, Bowie, Mosley, Gregory, and Padgett. Sure hope Pankey and Parker pan out, and that Faust and Gibbs contribute quickly next year.

Always next year. Go Terps!

Posted by: RITerp | February 12, 2011 10:43 PM | Report abuse

I don't think the team played all that well. At the start of the game and at the start of the second half, they seemed lackluster, as if the win over LW was an accomplishment. They also made very little adjustment to the screening. Overall a poor effort by the coaching staff as well. JW is a good player, but not great. Great players don't miss that many shots close in. Overall, this team is timid around the basket. College BB is still about taking care of the BB and playing defense. The Terps give up too many easy baskets and don't finish at the other end. They don't finish plays, they don't finish shots, and they don't finish games. They just don't finish. Tuesday night should seal the NIT bid.

Posted by: Terps85 | February 12, 2011 10:51 PM | Report abuse

They gotta beat VTech or run the tables (excluding UNC). It's gonna be tougher than I thought to make it.

Posted by: break20 | February 12, 2011 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Who really believes this team will beat vt on their court? C'mon, drink the kool-aid, kids.
Then it's carolina on their court.

P'shon is coming along very nicely and JWill is a star, but the rest are mediocre players that can't put the ball in the hoop.

Maybe not even nit. Let's get this season over with so we can dream of Faust and Gibbs coming. And that Parker and Pankey can show they can play ball.

Sigh....Go Terps!

Posted by: M20832 | February 13, 2011 8:53 AM | Report abuse

"Here's hoping that next year's freshmen are better than this year's seniors, and we could be a dangerous team for Jordan's last two years."
-->That won't be hard, the seniors this year are nothing special. But I wouldn't count on JW being here the next two years. I think he'll be back next year because he doesn't have much of a jump shot which is a essential for a big man in the NBA and I think some teams have figured out how to defend him (Nova/VTech, and Longwood wasn't a good game).

Posted by: break20 | February 13, 2011 3:00 PM | Report abuse

BC plays a different type of game, one that has given Maryland fits in the past. They have even their bigs out taking 3 point shots and as a result JW is out on the perimeter defending and out of position for rebounds. This style of play is more Mid-Major style and the Terps are not recruited nor practiced to defend this type of team. Hence we should not be too suprised that a BC player scores 31 against us. But there is good news to come so not to fret Terps fans.

I know after a loss like this all the Gary haters come out and it is easy to say we do not have the talent - bad recruiting. I was hoping a few wins would silence the critics but it seems to elude this team.

Nonetheless I am hooked, sometimes facinated, with this team and I cannot help feeling optimistic about this season and the next few years. I think we should play the freshmen since they are producing and our front line is fine (JW and Dino). I would like to see Padget and Parker play more and if these two get more cout time the team will be better for it. Lets keep up the hope Terps fans, we have the players we need and good times are just around the corner.

Posted by: torope | February 13, 2011 8:32 PM | Report abuse

You must be kidding yourselves if you think Gary is not to blame. He has done a *HIT job recruiting for 10+ years. Dave Dickerson got it done, but is gone. So is Patsos. I think it's telling when Gary tells Chris Wright he could come to MD, but only as a combo guard. Wright is one of the best PG's in the Big East. Gary is really out of touch with today's game and the struggles you see at MD should not be happening for a program with such resources and recruiting talent in the area. We ONLY GOT FAUST BECAUSE OF BINO RANSON - NOT GARY DOING JACK. I just hope they let his contract run out and he retires, because MD basketball has become a middle of the pack, unexciting, brand of basketball and it's time for Gary to sit down. He did a good job and caught lightning in a bottle in 2002, but what we've seen the last 8 years is indicative of his true talent. Greatness is something that is done over and over and that is not what Gary has done.

Posted by: leed191195 | February 13, 2011 11:55 PM | Report abuse

What a disappointment. Lack of execution and focus coupled with a phenomenal game from Jackson. Dunno, we've been in worse positions and made the dance, in better positions and missed. I plan on watching. Agree JW seems to playing his way into staying for at least one more year.

Btw- intrigued by one of Poopy's previous posts, I actually went to the Nats board to see what he was talking about. Now I'm an Os fan and disinterested in the Nats. So on the board, Poopy is goading the Nats fans with "we'll be less crappy than you" taunts meaning the O's will have better record than the Nats. So poopy, who was once accused of being a troll on this board- that is, not a MD fan- actually does troll on the Nats boards. I know a lot of us on this board are NOT Nats fans and probably never go to their board, but it was worth a visit.


- hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | February 14, 2011 7:25 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, HughG, but there is no way a Yankee fan would ever visit a Nats board, or an O's board for that matter. Maybe I will watch paint dry instead...

Posted by: petecard | February 14, 2011 8:25 AM | Report abuse

We are the 3rd best program in the ACC and have been for 18 years. It's Duke, UNC, then MD. Even if you want to just look at post-2002, we are still the 3rd best program in the ACC over that time. Gary isn't going anywhere, he has the backing of the boosters and there is nothing Kevin Anderson can do about it. And rightfully so. He deserves to leave under his own terms whenever he feels that time may be. Those who want him fired aren't season ticket holders to begin with--and never were. The people who put their money where their mouth is support Gary unequivocally. So to all the clowns who keep bashing the guy who has brought you so much joy over the last 2 decades: Gary is here to stay, deal with it.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 14, 2011 9:52 AM | Report abuse

What a disaster. Anyone who is trying to spin this loss any other way is kidding themselves. They Terps basically put themselves into a position where they need to win out or win 4 games in 4 days in Greensboro. With a sweep to a bubble team like BC, even 10-6 in the ACC is probably not good enough to earn an at-large selection. That means this team would need to win in Blacksburg, Chapel Hill, AND Miami while holding down home court against a pesky UVA team, a Singleton-less FSU, and NC State. Even if the one loss comes to UNC (VaTech is must win, because it would mean another sweep to a bubble team), they would probably need another win against one of the top 4 in Greensboro, which would mean a first round win on Thursday and a win on Friday against one of the top 4, which would have byes.

I was shocked how poor this team played against a mediocre BC team. BC runs a very vanilla offense, and the Terps had absolutely no desire to play defense against it. They were leaving guys wide open all over the place. Reggie Jackson had a career day, but a lot more had to do with the pathetic defensive by the Terps than Jackson's superior talent. It didn't matter who was guarding him (Tucker, Bowie, Stoglin, and Howard), the Terps continuously helped off of him. With talented defensive bigs like JW and Dino, there's no reason for guards to help against a team like BC.

Tucker and Bowie were terrible, particularly Tucker, who picked a great game to post one of the worst efforts of his career. Bowie missed at least 3 layups, including one on the right and one he tried to go reverse and layup with his left when he had plenty of room on the right. I thought Adrian was over his monodexterity problem, but he couldn't even hit the box on a layup with his right hand on Saturday. Mosely was up and down, and his turnovers far outweighed his offensive rebounds and average defensive effort.

The freshmen were the stars, and maybe they've both gone past the wall. They did make quite a few errors, but their contributions offset the mistakes. They're both still liabilities on the defensive end, particularly Howard who gives way too much space and always seems to be a step too slow/late on defense. However, if they can continue to excell on the other end of the court, they will turn into quite a dynamic duo.

JW really needs to pay attention to what teams are doing to him defensively. He does not do a very good job of identifying where doubles are coming from or even how much space he has around him. He got bailed out a bunch with fouls, but kept trying to muscle through 2 guys when a guy on the weak side was always open for an easy shot. JW's spin move is starting to get him into more trouble now that teams are reading it. He needs to try ducking in or a hook shot (if he has one) to keep defenses honest.

I just cannot believe the Terps put up this kind of an effort in such a critical game against an average team.

Posted by: Russtinator | February 14, 2011 10:37 AM | Report abuse

"JW really needs to pay attention to what teams are doing to him defensively. He does not do a very good job of identifying where doubles are coming from"

Agree with everything you said, especially the above comment. If he learned how to see the court, like a guy like Pao Gasol, and find the open man when he gets double and triple teamed, we'd be a tough team to beat.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 14, 2011 11:10 AM | Report abuse

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