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Posted at 11:31 AM ET, 02/14/2011

Talkin' Terps: Is it time for a youth movement?

By Washington Post sports editors

Saturday's loss at Boston College was certainly a deflating one for Maryland's NCAA tournament hopes. Over at the 68, Eric Prisbell says Maryland's best chance of earning an at-large berth is "to win at least four of its remaining regular season games and then make an ACC tournament run, probably to the final."

Some readers of this blog suggested afterward that it might be time to give more playing time to younger players, if for no other reason than to build for the future. torope wrote, "I think we should play the freshmen since they are producing and our front line is fine (JW and Dino). I would like to see Padgett and Parker play more and if these two get more court time the team will be better for it."

What do you think? What is the Terps' best hope for a last-ditch run at the NCAA tournament: go with the youngsters or hope the upperclassmen can rally?

By Washington Post sports editors  | February 14, 2011; 11:31 AM ET
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Comments

J Will - Gregory - Mosley - ???? - P'Shonn howard obvious starting lineup, get ready for ACC Tourney/Next year.

Bowie/Tucker can be backups, cause that is what they are - inconsistent. I realize players make bad choices on occasion, but Tucker's shot selection vs BC screamed that he just wanted to jack up shots b/c he wasn't getting much PT, and it cost the Terps each time.

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | February 14, 2011 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Our chances at earning an at large bid aren't officially over yet, though it's getting close. Until then, Padgett and Parker aren't going to see much PT. This thread is a little premature. If you think Gary is going to throw the towel in on the season just because our backs are now completely against the wall, you obviously haven't been paying attention to recent Terps history.

2003/2004, we were 5-9 in the ACC and needed to win at a ranked NC State team and then at home vs a tough UVA squad to wrap up an at large bid. Win both we did, and then 3 more in the ACC tourney. Result: NCAA bid

2006/2007, we were 3-6 in the ACC and needed to run the table. Run the table we did, winning over Duke twice and UNC in the process. Result: NCAA bid

2008/2009, we were 3-5 in the ACC and ended up 7-9, needing ACC tourney victories over NC state and Wake Forest (the 8th ranked team in the country) to have any chance at a bid. Knock them off we did. Result: NCAA bid

Though maybe a little more difficult, the position we are currently in is still pretty similar to these previous ones. In each instance, there were many MD fans ready to throw in the towel on the season. But thankfully, Gary and his players didn't quit as quickly as the fans did.

There is still hope, however slim it may seem...

Posted by: Barno1 | February 14, 2011 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Gary as usual needs to stop playing average players and needs to develop the younger guys who have more potential.

Bowie, Tucker are not good players as starters.

Posted by: cavatellie | February 14, 2011 12:40 PM | Report abuse

For me personally, the worst part of the last loss is that it energizes the anti Gary crowd....

We may not make the tourney this year which will be disappointing for sure but I suspected this would be a tough season for us....Jordan will continue to get better and Stoglin, Howard, will benefit from their playing time this year so with Faust and Co joining us next season, we should be pretty good

Posted by: TerpfanMA | February 14, 2011 1:07 PM | Report abuse

In Gary I Trust. If he thinks the team will benefit be changing substitution patterns or minutes, he'll do it.

Posted by: shanks1 | February 14, 2011 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Lord, Barno, some of those records you showed were down right pathetic.

The fact that MD was 5-9, 3-6, 3-5 in ACC play at any point, during any season, is terrible.

Hopefully we don't draw Manhattan in the NIT.....

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 14, 2011 1:18 PM | Report abuse

We still have a chance for a NCAA bid. I wouldn't play the younger players just to get them more experience. I'm not anti-Gary, but it really boils down to recruiting. In college bball you either get the horses or you don't. If you don't have the size to match up, you won't be in top 25.

Posted by: Redtopper2 | February 14, 2011 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I concur with Gary's judgement that Padget and Parker are not ready for any extended playing time while the tournament is hanging in the balance. I would like to see with my own eyes that they are not ready but I find it hard to believe at times. It seems that there is little to risk as long as we are getting inconsistent play from Tucker and Bowie.

During the telecast of the Pitt game Tucker was playing one of his best games of the season. Bobby Knight, one of the ESPN analysts covering the game, stated that if he were to start a new team he would build it around a few players like Cliff Tucker. How does Cliff go from being touted a team leader on TV to where he is now (he is practically considered toxic on this and other blogs). An answer to that escapes me.

My choice in handing out playing time would be Jordan and Dino and freshmen at the other 3 spots. I will settle for two but I think Tucker and Bowie will still be given extended playing time. I hope they bounce back because I have not given up on this team yet.

Posted by: torope | February 14, 2011 1:25 PM | Report abuse

I remember those teams that made great late-season runs to make the tournament. However, I'm just not getting that vibe from this team right now, especially after that BC game. They were playing as if BC was supposed to just roll over and give them a win because the Terps needed it. They played with very little fire or determination on Saturday. They held a 5 point lead early in the second half, but much like other games where they held early 2nd half leads, they could not find that extra gear to stretch or sustain that lead. This team lacks a killer instinct that some of those other Terps teams had under Gilchrist, Strawberry, and Vasquez, and it doesn't look like they're going to develop it.

The situation has occurred far to often this year that it feels as though this team has a big lead or is in complete control of the game only to look at the scoreboard to find that it's really close (Clemson, GaTech, and BC at home), or they're losing (Duke in Cameron, 'Nova, Pitt, and BC away). I can't really put my finger onto why this team is having such a hard time maintaining or stretching leads, but it's something they need to fix right away. VaTech showed how its done yesterday against GaTech, and it typically doesn't come from one guy. Maybe there's some level of animosity between the senior and freshmen backcourt players, or may there just isn't the right level of balance on the floor at any one time. I beginning to question whether this team was really as strong as it appeared on paper, and that next year may yield even more growing pains.

Posted by: Russtinator | February 14, 2011 1:31 PM | Report abuse

In each instance, there were many MD fans ready to throw in the towel on the season. But thankfully, Gary and his players didn't quit as quickly as the fans did.

There is still hope, however slim it may seem...

Posted by: Barno1

I admire your optimism, but wish you were a bit more objective. The 2006-2007 season was a truly great run. Yet recent history shows the Terps crumbling more often than rising to the challenge. 2004-2005, 2005-2006, and particularly 2007-2008 saw the Terps in great position to lock up a bid only to completely collapse down the stretch. Are you implying that they did quit or that they weren't good enough? Either way I know who I will hold responsible.

Even the 2008-2009 run you mentioned was required because of losing 4 of the last 6 in the regular season to mostly inferior teams. While nice, 2003-2004 was the all John Gilchrist show and required because of poor team management earlier in the season. It doesn't highlight the success of the team or Gary, if anything it should remind us of the failure of Gary in handling and further developing Gilchrist the next season.

Regardless, the NCAA is certainly still possible, but very unlikely. The big problem is that the ACC is much weaker this season than any of those other years Maryland made a late season run to get there. There just aren't enough opportunities for quality wins left. Maryland has played well for parts of a few big games this season, but has not even one decent win to show for it.

As for the malcontent Terps fans, we have every reason to be displeased and pessimistic. By your argument, 3 times Maryland has barely made the NCAAs with late season/ACC tournament runs in the last 7 years. This combined with 3 NIT seasons mean just once in the last 7 years has Maryland comfortably made the NCAA tournament. This is just not good enough. I expect better and will continue to do so.

The only recent success the Terps have had seems to come when there is a dominant (even out of control) point guard running the team (Gilchrist or Vasquez). This strikes me as a program that struggles to implement an effective offensive system, must rely on individuals to carry the offense, and/or just not enough good players. In the end that means bad coaching and/or bad recruiting.

Posted by: Dancy1 | February 14, 2011 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, this senior class of players (Bowie, Tucker & Gregory) is simply not very good. Whether we make the NCAA tournament or not, I say play the youngsters, who display more raw talent than this trio.

Posted by: DCtoDE | February 14, 2011 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Not trying to argue with you Poop but happens to the best of em, even Duke has had some bad runs in recent years (4 game ACC losing streak in 07). But it's not where you start or where you are in mid season, it's where you finish. Hardly anyone would have called those terrible seasons at the conclusion of the year.

2003/04 no one thought the season was terrible after closing the year on a 5 game win streak and win over Duke in the ACC title game.

2006/07 though we were all disappointed Mike Jones let the ball slip through his hands on that potential game tying 3 pointer in the round of 32, hardly anyone could call a 25 win season--3rd best in school history--and finishing the year ranked, terrible.

2008/09 we all remember well. The doubters and Gary haters were out in full force in January and February, but they were silenced after the upset of UNC..and then when Gary rallied the team to a great run in the ACC tourney and later a win over California in the tourney, even Petecard had to admit it he was wrong about that team being so terrible.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 14, 2011 1:53 PM | Report abuse

I know that MD has to make a pretty strong run the rest of the season to make the NCAA tournament. Are their chances increased by the fact that there are now 68 teams making it instead of last season's 64? Maybe that will help them.

Posted by: fellowfan | February 14, 2011 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Serious question here:

For the people who think Gary has to go, I am interested in who you would be satisfied with as a coach? Not necessarily someone who actually would come to UMD but rather a coach who doesnt have a blemish on his record such as NIT appearances, finishing in the middle of the pack in their conference, early NCAA losses or recruits that they didnt get? Perhaps K is one example but are there others??? Just curious

Posted by: TerpfanMA | February 14, 2011 2:22 PM | Report abuse

As for the malcontent Terps fans, we have every reason to be displeased and pessimistic. By your argument, 3 times Maryland has barely made the NCAAs with late season/ACC tournament runs in the last 7 years. This combined with 3 NIT seasons mean just once in the last 7 years has Maryland comfortably made the NCAA tournament. This is just not good enough. I expect better and will continue to do so.

Posted by: Dancy1 | February 14, 2011 1:41 PM
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Gotta agree with this.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 14, 2011 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Hey Barno,

remember back in early Jan you bet me the Terps would NOT go to the NIT???

I'll take that ham sammich now. 4 Nit's in 7 years. WOOOOO. Give Gary an extension.

Posted by: rdondero123 | February 14, 2011 2:27 PM | Report abuse

TerpFanMA,

Here you go:

For the last five years MD's overall ACC record is 42-29, good enough for third in the conference behind you know who.

http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/articles/?p=38486

Along the same lines of the above-refernced article here is a lis school who thought it would be easy to replace their "mediocre" coaches:

NC St: Herb Sendek (5 stright NCAA appearances was replaced by El Sid (worst cumulative ACC record in the last 5 years!)

Indiana: Mike Davis (2002 Final Four) replaced by Kelvin (I cheat a lot)Sampson and then Tom (ture mediocrity) Crean

Kentucky: Tubby (numerous NCAAS and at least 1 Final Four) got replaced by Billy Gillespie and then John (I cheat more than Kelvin) Calipari

UCLA: struggled for year after Wooden left, finally finding Ben Howland.

Villanova: Struggled for years after Rolly Massomino left before finally finding Jay Wright

Even Arizona getting Sean Miller from Xavier hasn't seen the success it experienced under Lute Olson.

In fairness, it should be noted that Pitt replaced Ben Howland with Jamie Dixon...nice. Kansas replaced Roy Williams with Bill (I cheat but haven't been caught) Self.

Finding a better replacement than GW is possible, but the odds are that you will do worse before you do better. Remember, K was a stroke of luck having come from Army without any proven big time experience.

While I definitely want more success at MD, MD's record is simply not mediocre. It is the top 25% in one of the premier b-ball conferences in the country.

Mich St is struggling this year after barely getting by MD on their way to the Final Four last year. FL has missed 2-3 straight NCAA after back-to-back NCs. Uconn has missed a couple NCAA tourneys over the last few years. Even UNC struggled last year.

Posted by: larry31 | February 14, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Ugh. Sorry about the typos I hit submit instead of preview.

TerpFanMA,

Here you go:

For the last five years MD's overall ACC record is 42-29, good enough for third in the conference behind you know who.

http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/articles/?p=38486

Along the same lines of the above-referenced article here is a list of schools who thought it would be easy to replace their "mediocre" coaches:

NC St: Herb Sendek (5 stright NCAA appearances was replaced by El Sid (worst cumulative ACC record in the last 5 years!)

Indiana: Mike Davis (2002 Final Four) replaced by Kelvin (I cheat a lot)Sampson and then Tom (true mediocrity) Crean

Kentucky: Tubby Smith (numerous NCAAS and at least 1 Final Four) got replaced by Billy Gillespie and then John (I cheat more than Kelvin) Calipari

UCLA: struggled for years after Wooden left, finally finding Ben Howland.

Villanova: Struggled for years after Rolly Massomino left before finally finding Jay Wright

Even Arizona getting Sean Miller from Xavier hasn't seen the success it experienced under Lute Olson.

In fairness, it should be noted that Pitt replaced Ben Howland with Jamie Dixon...nice. Kansas replaced Roy Williams with Bill (I cheat but haven't been caught) Self.

Finding a better replacement than GW is possible, but the odds are that you will do worse before you do better. Remember, K was a stroke of luck having come from Army without any proven big time experience.

While I definitely want more success at MD, MD's record is simply not mediocre. It is the top 25% in one of the premier b-ball conferences in the country.

Mich St is struggling this year after barely getting by MD on their way to the Final Four last year. FL has missed 2-3 straight NCAA after back-to-back NCs. Uconn has missed a couple NCAA tourneys over the last few years. Even UNC struggled last year.


Posted by: larry31 | February 14, 2011 2:55 PM | Report abuse

"wish you were a bit more objective...the 2008-2009 run you mentioned was required because of losing 4 of the last 6 in the regular season to mostly inferior teams." -Dancy

Mostly inferior teams? Of those 4 losses, 1 was against 13th ranked Clemson on the road, 1 was against 7th ranked Duke, 1 was against 10th ranked Wake Forest (by 2 points), and the last was on the road against an inferior UVA team. Hardly "mostly inferior teams".

"This combined with 3 NIT seasons mean just once in the last 7 years has Maryland comfortably made the NCAA tournament" -Dancy

Our seeds in the ncaa tourney the last 5 times: 6 seed, 4 seed, 4 seed, 10 seed, 4 seed. Hardly "just once in the last 7 years has Maryland comfortably made the NCAA tourney."

It seems one of us does has "objectivity" issues, but it isn't me my friend.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 14, 2011 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry Barno, they should be a number 1 seed in the NIT.
Hosting New Jersey Tech.
Or Longwood.
Or Seattle.

Or dare I say...Manhatten.

Posted by: rdondero123 | February 14, 2011 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Hey TerpFan,

Still no response on which great coaches are pining to come to MD. This was an especially stupid argument when Debbie Yow was in charge. What coach would have wanted to come to MD when the women's team received more financial support than the men's team?

When El Sid gets fired at NC St, watch how they struggle to attract any quality coaches.

Posted by: larry31 | February 14, 2011 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Big difference from this year and past years is the perception of the ACC. At this point the ACC is getting no love and it would be a major stretch to see more then 4 teams come out of the ACC. IN past years when MD made those runs they were playing ranked teams and getting impact wins. All of MDs chances for impact wins are gone. Your not out yet but if you lose 2/3 games your done. Need to finish off strong and go on a conference run and beat either Duke or UNC in that run.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 14, 2011 3:37 PM | Report abuse

The Terps have a not so tough schedule the rest of the way and should finish around .500 in the conference, but I'm not sure the committee will overlook Maryland playing Longwood (9-19) in February. With a #89 RPI, the Terps need a .500 record or better in the ACC to make it, but that's no guarantee with that weak of a schedule. ACC being down some isn't helping their cause either.

Posted by: jdumb | February 14, 2011 4:06 PM | Report abuse

The starting lineup should be:

C: Jordan Williams
PF: Dino Gregory
SF: Cliff Tucker
SG: Adrian Bowie
PG: P'Shon Howard

Backups:
C: James Padgett/Weijs
PF: Haukur Palsson
SG/SF: Sean Mosley
PG/SG: Terrell Stoglin

Posted by: msveasey | February 14, 2011 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Gary isn't going anywhere until he decides to retire. Any suggestion otherwise is ridiculous. Just who would you hire to replace him? Enough with that nonsense.

I don't have a problem with NIT bids as much as I do teams not playing with any passion once they're relegated to the NIT. I say, if that's your fate, give every ounce of energy you have to winning it. That would be a lesson for younger players ...

Posted by: scrappledog | February 14, 2011 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Mostly inferior teams? Of those 4 losses, 1 was against 13th ranked Clemson on the road, 1 was against 7th ranked Duke, 1 was against 10th ranked Wake Forest (by 2 points), and the last was on the road against an inferior UVA team. Hardly "mostly inferior teams".

"This combined with 3 NIT seasons mean just once in the last 7 years has Maryland comfortably made the NCAA tournament" -Dancy

Our seeds in the ncaa tourney the last 5 times: 6 seed, 4 seed, 4 seed, 10 seed, 4 seed. Hardly "just once in the last 7 years has Maryland comfortably made the NCAA tourney."

It seems one of us does has "objectivity" issues, but it isn't me my friend.

Posted by: Barno1

Your first point is completely right, I had meant to say that their run was against inferior teams, sorry.

Your second point is completely wrong. I was talking about comfortably making the NCAA by weeks, not whether they would make the tournament on Selection Sunday or by how much in terms of seed. This should have been clear since the 2004 team had an automatic bid, but I understand your confusion.

Ironically, your thinking those seasons were comfortable supports my argument about this season not being like the ones you mentioned. Those were mostly decent teams that were good enough to flame out to lower seeds in the second round. This team is not that decent and has much more in common with the 3 NIT teams. Poor RPI, no solid wins, and a bunch of close but not close enough games. This is where you lack objectivity.

I wish you were right and this team was good enough to lose in the second round of the NCAA. Even those depressingly low standards would be a welcome result for this season. Sadly, I think you see a glass as half full when it is 3/4ths empty.

Posted by: Dancy1 | February 14, 2011 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Dancy,

I don't have an objectivity problem, trust me. I'm well aware of how long the odds are of us making a run. I also completely agree that this feels a lot more like those NIT seasons than it does the seasons where we made runs. To be quite honest, I don't even think we'll win at Vtech. They are a terrible match up for us. I would also argue that we are up against the wall right now more than at any point in the last 18 years. The NIT seasons we actually weren't in terrible shape with 3 weeks left, but we had critical losses in the final few games. All of that said, my whole point is and has been: if anyone COULD get it done in this situation, it's Gary.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 14, 2011 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Nope just need to decide who is the better fit between Stoglin or MVPe'shon at the point. I don't think giving a large amount of time to unproven players will really help at this point. We're playing for this season not next year. This isn't the equivalent of September "garbage games" in baseball

I assume by the youth movement your excluding freshman who get regular playing time.

Posted by: break20 | February 14, 2011 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Gotta love Barno, we can do this attitude. As much as some people give you a hard time, keep fighting the good fight!

Posted by: break20 | February 14, 2011 11:52 PM | Report abuse

"Lord, Barno, some of those records you showed were down right pathetic.

The fact that MD was 5-9, 3-6, 3-5 in ACC play at any point, during any season, is terrible.

Hopefully we don't draw Manhattan in the NIT.....

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 14, 2011 1:18 PM"
-->Poop, I don't disagree that it's bad, but the NCAA rewards medocrity. For all the gripes about a lack of playoff in football, having 65 teams (now 68 teams) is too much. Sure it makes for an entertaining tourney, but it doesn't reward regular season success.

Posted by: break20 | February 15, 2011 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Larry you're a joke. Yes in the 300 plus D1 programs there is not head coach or assistant worthy to even carry Gary's clipboard. We will immediately become an irrelevant program that either misses the tournament or has a late season run to sneak into the bubble. Oh we're already there. Your arguement about Sean Miller is weak. He's already getting accolades out on the recruiting trail and he'll have Arizona back as a Pac-10 force by next season. I was thinking back the other day to Gary's first MD team with Simpkins, Rhodes, and Hipp. My thought is Jordan Williams is probably the only player on this current team that would start on that team and it wasn't like that team was world beaters, but they were a solid tourney team and Sweet 16 worthy. We've regressed in 20 years and thems the facts. We had a great 5-6 year run, but that is now a long time ago.

Posted by: restonhoops | February 15, 2011 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Sorry Larry that was TerpFanMA not you saying Gary can not be replaced. You are wrong about Miller though. For the record I would go after Jay Wright and Brad Stevens.

Posted by: restonhoops | February 15, 2011 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Larry that was TerpFanMA not you saying Gary can not be replaced. You are wrong about Miller though. For the record I would go after Jay Wright and Brad Stevens.

Posted by: restonhoops | February 15, 2011 12:01 PM | Report abuse

The situation has occurred far to often this year that it feels as though this team has a big lead or is in complete control of the game only to look at the scoreboard to find that it's really close (Clemson, GaTech, and BC at home), or they're losing (Duke in Cameron, 'Nova, Pitt, and BC away). I can't really put my finger onto why this team is having such a hard time maintaining or stretching leads, but it's something they need to fix right away. VaTech showed how its done yesterday against GaTech, and it typically doesn't come from one guy. Maybe there's some level of animosity between the senior and freshmen backcourt players, or may there just isn't the right level of balance on the floor at any one time. I beginning to question whether this team was really as strong as it appeared on paper, and that next year may yield even more growing pains.

Posted by: Russtinator | February 14, 2011 1:31 PM | Report abuse

*******************************************
psst Russtinator you're onto something... they're not very good.. There is not enough offensive talent on the team to be major players in anyway this year, next year, the one after that. People talk around here like a mid-major does well when the moon aligns correctly and we hae 5 senior starters we'll make the sweet 16.. woo hoo! Coming into this year this team had 3 senior starters, one junior, and one sophomore. For a major conference team that is a mature team. I'm tired of the this is a young team talk.

Posted by: restonhoops | February 15, 2011 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I am a terp fan and would love for them to have an excellent BB program. MD is a BB program first. I recently moved to FL. FL is a football state. They expect a winner at the top level. They have Flordia in the SEC. Two national champioships in 4 years. Basketball national championships as well. FL State did not win the ACC easy. They expect 10-1 worst case. Lose to FL every now and then is OK. Bobby B is gone forget the past he is not winning now. FL State had the #1 recruiting class this year that is more like it.

At MD we go 1 and 9 against Duke and we take pride in that one victory. If someone says we do not beat Duke often, does he/she hear it. "I remember when we beat Duke in 2010" We make the NCAA Tourn. 4 of the last 8 years maybe 4 of 9 after this year. Boy do we defend everything "How dare you expect more, Gary is a great coach" "4 of 9 is great" "MD went 3 of 6 to finish the year not 2 of 6 you dummy". Who cares it was not 6-0 or 5-1.

MD is a basketball school and we argue about where in the AVERAGE we finished and how they got there. Who cares we are AVERAGE. By the way FL State has a better basketball record in the last 6 or 8 years than MD. Now someone will correct me. Who cares we were grouped with FL State most of the last 8 years not Duke and NC.

MD fans need to have pride like FL State or FL in football. FL state should win that second class conf. the ACC every year, Go 7 and 0 and win the ACC championship game by 20 or more. They should be 10 and 1 some years and 11-0 when they beat FL. They expect South FL and central FL to win their conf. and be in the nations top 25. Miami they do not count they have been bad for so long maybe 8 years.

When we start to hold our BB team to the same standards we will start demanding a new coach when he goes to 4 NIT Tourn. and get someone else if the new coach does not crack the top 15 in three years fire him and get someone else. If three seniors can not start and dominate then fire the coach for not recruiting or developing better players.

If we set the standards for the Terps that have been set in these comments we get what we deserve AVERAGE.

Demand a program the competes with Duke head to head every year in games, national rank and the NCAA tournament.

Posted by: geoski | February 15, 2011 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Great posts Restonhoops and Geoski,,,too bad others just dont get it and believe Gary is the program, not the other way around. Gary is destroying this program with his belief that avg is ok, i.e. he was a huge cheerleader behind expanding the field to 68, why? Because he knows thats the only way his avg coaching and recruiting will get his teams in.

Posted by: cm88 | February 16, 2011 11:22 AM | Report abuse

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