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Posted at 12:14 PM ET, 02/18/2011

Talkin' Terps: Is Maryland 'way out' of NCAA tournament?

By Matt Bonesteel

Good afternoon.

This week, the NCAA has invited reporters to participate in a mock selection exercise for the NCAA tournament. Among those participating is Seth Davis of CBS Sports and Sports Illustrated. Earlier today, Davis tweeted that the "Terps aren't just out, they're way out. As of today anyway."

To me, this basically means that, as of now, Davis and his fellow mock selectors believe Maryland has to win the ACC tournament to receive an NCAA tournament berth.

Do you agree with that, or do you think running the table in the regular season and then making a strong run in the ACC tournament will do the trick?

By Matt Bonesteel  | February 18, 2011; 12:14 PM ET
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They're not an NCAA tournament caliber team. They probably are a NIT caliber team, but they've got one and done written all over them at this point

I love Gary, but there is more to big time college basketball than getting your guys to play hard.

Posted by: kingrob76 | February 18, 2011 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Given the overall weakness in the field, I think running the table -- which would include a win over Top 20 North Carolina in Chapel Hill -- plus an ACC tourney win probably gets them in.

Seriously doubt that will happen, though. The dropoff in senior backcourt leadership from Vazquez-Hayes to Tucker-Bowie was just too great. Gary should continue to shift minutes away from those two, increasing the playing time for Howard and Stoglin. That not only puts the best team on the floor, but also helps prepare for next season.

Posted by: FreeMas | February 18, 2011 12:25 PM | Report abuse

At this point their only way in is to win the ACC tournament.

Posted by: postfan1 | February 18, 2011 12:26 PM | Report abuse

They are "way out" as of today. The season does not end today so it really doesn't matter. I think Gary and crew need 5 more wins to make the dance.

Posted by: TerpFan2001 | February 18, 2011 12:32 PM | Report abuse

IMHO, the Terps had to win at least two of three among Boston College, Virginia Tech & North Carolina to even still be in the conversation. Instead, the Terps are left without enough quality wins for serious at-large consideration. Maryland needs to win the ACC tournament now, simple as that.

Posted by: evwill | February 18, 2011 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: larry31 | February 18, 2011 9:44 AM

Ok larry, you should not encourage him. Now i had to listen to ancient Marshall Crenshaw to and from lunch today in hgr's mid-grade trim level minivan which seats eight uncomfortably. Not the same one he took to the Clemson game in the mid-1980s, y'know when Marshall Crenshaw had ALREADY jumped the f-ing shark.

5 wins in any combination will do it. The Dance wants an excuse to let GW in. Remember, the guy is universally beloved by many on the selection committee. NOT WORSHIPPED, like Saint Mike K (who all should worship as the deity he is), but geniunely beloved. You Terps with your shoulder chips don't see how much other teams don't want to play any 13 guys coached by GW.

We'll see you in the ACCT and later on at the dance. In the meantime, keep whining.

Posted by: Duke-Rulz-1995 | February 18, 2011 12:54 PM | Report abuse

If Maryland was to win out the rest of the regular season, I think that would be enough on its own to get them in the tournament. The problem is they aren't good enough to win out, so they will have to win some ACC Tournament games.

With five wins so far, I believe a total of 11 ACC wins makes them a lock, 10 gives them a good chance, and 9 keeps them alive but likely on the outside looking in. So they need to win at least three of their last five regular season games and then make a run in the tournament to add a few more wins to ideally get at least 10 total.

Posted by: Lumas101 | February 18, 2011 12:58 PM | Report abuse

These guys HAVE to win the ACC tournament.

If they wanted to get in on regular season, they should have run the table...starting with the second game against Duke, that is. Unimpressive rout at home; swept by BC and VT; no quality wins; down year for the ACC says...go to the NIT if you are invited, and enjoy it. This is one year the Terps better not look down on ANYTHING postseason.

Posted by: poorskins | February 18, 2011 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Win the last five regular season games and they are in regardless of tourney performance (10-6 in ACC with 5 wins in a row and a UNC victory seals it).

If they go 4-1, they will need at least one (probably 2) in ACC tourney.

Anything worse than 4-1, they need ACC tourney win.

Posted by: skins824 | February 18, 2011 1:19 PM | Report abuse

He couldn't be more correct. We need to win out and win the ACC tournament.

Posted by: DiehardTerp | February 18, 2011 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Saw this from T-Ham's chat today. It sounds a whole lot like the talking-points parroted around here by a certain poster or 2. Of course T-Ham's response is dead on:


Gary Williams. In response to yesterday's question about Gary Williams, it seems a lot of people are forgetting that just last year the team tied with the eventual national champions for first place in the conference. Also, they lost on a buzzer-beating somewhat lucky last second shot in the NCAA tourney. The player that hit the game-winner has since been kicked off of Michigan State. Eight months too late for Terps fans. Also, since the national championship they have won the ACC Tournament. The consistency hasn't been there that most would expect, but they've still been the third most consistent team in the conference over the last ten years. This year the previously role player upperclassmen did not step up. However, with the freshmen (Howard, Stoglin, and Palsson) seemingly improving by the game and one of the best big men in the country the Terps could be a very formidable team next year.

A: Okay, I'm getting your drift. But you are setting the bar awfully low, I think.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 18, 2011 1:25 PM | Report abuse

This will make some of you happy because you like it when I bail on a season and then things turn around. So this is for you guys, many of whom are the infamous Kool-aid drinkers: This team is way out of the tournament and it would be shocking if they found a way to get in. Who can possibly believe that they will win out? Who could imagine that they would win the ACC Tournament? No one in their right mind. This will go down as a truly disappointing season. Don't be shocked if JW leaves.

Posted by: petecard | February 18, 2011 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Run the table and win at least 2 games in the ACC Tourn. or just win the ACC Tourn.

Neither will happen.

If they began the season with starting line up of (Stoglin, Howard, Mosley, Gregory, & Williams), they may have won a few more games and not be in this mess.

Guards and center look good for next year, but they will need some size & fast learners at the forward position.

Posted by: krose5 | February 18, 2011 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Winning the last 5 would probably get them in, but sadly I've reached the point where I can't envision that happening.

Can we name the All-time Terp Team of disappointing seniors?
...Bowie,Tucker,Garrison,McCray,and even Dave Dickerson off the top of my head.

Should be fun on Sunday glancing at the name Vasquez hanging from the rafters.

Hgr: Is Duke-Rulz the Edward Norton to your Brad Pitt in Fight Club?

Posted by: mydogsnameisdixon | February 18, 2011 1:30 PM | Report abuse

I'll also add Exree Hipp to the disappointing seniors list.

Posted by: mydogsnameisdixon | February 18, 2011 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Can we include Mike Mardesich as another disappointing senior, what with his 3.8 ppg average?

Though I must add we loved talking to him through a megaphone from Wicomico as he walked to/from the Business building.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 18, 2011 1:38 PM | Report abuse

this team can't win the ACC tournament! they better hope to upset UNC.

Unless Tucker breaks out of his funk and plays like he's telling GW to go to hell, it won't happen. Luv MD hoops but it ain't gonna happen.

Posted by: oknow1 | February 18, 2011 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Watching both Duke/Maryland games, it seemed like every time the ball was on the floor, the Dukies outhustled the Terps for the ball. I just kept getting the sense that the difference in talent was fairly large and the differences in focus and effort even larger. I'm not saying the Terps don't play hard, they do. But you kinda get the impression they're not the brightest team in terms of their play. No way can I them winning the ACC tournament. Even if they did, it's likely a one and out in the tournament. They simply can't sustained that kind of effort over a long stretch. The NIT is typically a downer for Gary and I think they will be done quickly in that. Next year. Maybe.

Posted by: jfoster13 | February 18, 2011 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Looks like another disinterested one-&-done NIT appearance.

Posted by: nonsensical2001 | February 18, 2011 2:19 PM | Report abuse

They will have to win all and the Tournament or at least make it to the semifinals of the Torunament. Hope next year Gary goes out and gets a couple of big guys to back up Jordan.

Posted by: pechins | February 18, 2011 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Too bad all of the big men we were recruiting decided to go elsewhere. I think there is one left that we're hanging on to hopes for but not the level of the people we need.

Posted by: DiehardTerp | February 18, 2011 2:40 PM | Report abuse

You Maryland fans will cling to any piece of hope left. Even if Maryland wins the next five games, (and that's a big stretch), there would be ONLY ONE signature win, that being NC. Personally, I don't feel that's enough.
If the Hoyas were in the identical position the Terps are in now, the local media, local and national sports broadcasters would be telling us all, that the Hoyas would have to WIN the BE Championship Tourney to make the NCAA Tourney. Give the young team a ride through the NIT this year. The young guards will learn a lot and be prepared for the ACC/NCAA run next year.
A couple of years ago, G'town had a so so year, (Roy Hibbert and Jeff Green's team), should have gone to the NCAA's but didn't. Had to settle for the NIT. Lost to SC in the NIT Championship game. The following year -- FINAL FOUR NCAA TOURNEY.
Hope springs eternal !!!

Posted by: Hlynchmaster | February 18, 2011 3:08 PM | Report abuse

It ain't over til its over. Lets wait until its over, the ACC Tournament is over. We are no doubt a long shot to get in the big dance. I will enjoy watching the last few games as I always do. I am excited to see what our two starting freshman can do to put us over the hump. Think positive.

Posted by: torope | February 18, 2011 3:09 PM | Report abuse

This team is just not very good. I am past the point of being upset about it. Whatever happens happens but they need about a 6 game wins streak to even be under consideration. They probably go 4-2 in that time.

Posted by: MDFan | February 18, 2011 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I'm not holding out hope (particularly given history). But oh the Terps most certainly CAN win the ACC Tournament.

Is there no one left who remembers the Bill Langloh-led Virginia team, last in the ACC, that won the tournament back when the tournament winner was THE ONLY ACC TEAM that went to the dance? Bitter memory if you are a Terp fan.

Posted by: poorskins | February 18, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm not holding out hope (particularly given history). But oh the Terps most certainly CAN win the ACC Tournament.

Is there no one left who remembers the Bill Langloh-led Virginia team, last in the ACC, that won the tournament back when the tournament winner was THE ONLY ACC TEAM that went to the dance? Bitter memory if you are a Terp fan.

Posted by: poorskins | February 18, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse

So can anyone name a team that won 4 games to win the ACC tournament? Oh wait, there hasn't been one of those. So we would be doing the impossible. I think the SEC is one of the only major conferences to have a team with 4 straight games like that to get into the tournament and I think Arkansas and Mississippi State are the teams to do it. And the SEC back in the last few years doesn't really match up to the ACC's caliber.

If Gary is smart, he'll start playing the kids and hope that somehow they can pull it together and show some leadership our senior role players lack. Maybe that will get us to the tournament but based on his post game comments, I think he's given up on this senior class.

Posted by: DiehardTerp | February 18, 2011 4:18 PM | Report abuse

The Terp's bubble burst when they lost to BC the second time. Absent winning the ACC tournament, the Terps are headed to the National Insignificant Tournament.

Posted by: RITerp | February 18, 2011 4:24 PM | Report abuse

It was Mississippi State and Georgia the last two years and then Arkansas in 2000.

Posted by: DiehardTerp | February 18, 2011 4:24 PM | Report abuse

as much as I love Gary and the boys, they ain't winning their last five games and they ain't winning the ACC tournament

NIT here we come!

Posted by: cmauro10 | February 18, 2011 5:01 PM | Report abuse

It's just lack of talent. Massive school, great recruiting area, great coach, great stadium, great fans, great team history, and lousy collegiate town. Even with the challenge or recruiting players to scenic College Park, given all the other awesome positives I mentioned, Gary and his staff should be able to consistently bring in better players. The ones they've got do play hard....and often these last 7 years, it's just not enough.

Posted by: chop1 | February 18, 2011 5:07 PM | Report abuse

I got it, he's the Goose to my Maverick. Went to the CP today for lunch and a drive through campus. Kind of a tradition we have on the first warm day in spring. It always lives up to its billing. We head to Raliegh next week, so it's warm we'll visit Chapel Hill.

A lot of lock tournament teams will stumble but to have any hope of dancing, they have to win out. Don't know if that gets them the four seed in the ACCT and I doubt they can win more than a game or two in it. I do think they'll come close to winning out for the season, but coming close won't get them in and decreases the chances for a meaningful win at the ACCT.

Not looking at next year, but I hope we get the German kid. Does anyone know where the two 7 foot Indian kids are heading? From what I understand, they are a Plumlee like deal.



Posted by: HughGRection | February 18, 2011 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Bad town, college park. Do not tell Brenda she might stop recruiting (#1 freshman class last year), then there is Soccer two years at MD and someone turns pro, someone takes his place. Win an NCAA championship every few years. How many field Hockey championships? Be quiet they are coming to College Park do not tell them. Lacross makes a run every few years do not let them know they are living in College Park.

Could it be Gary. Not possible, the best coach in the land loved by all. Obviously top recruits want to sit on the bench and be yelled at like idiots. Naturally, top shooters want to come to MD where they will force it inside all night and be berated if they take a 3 point jump shot before it is forced inside three time even if it results in 20 turnovers per game. Naturally, top talent wants to play where they race up and down the court like mad men and throw the ball away. Clearly this style is favored by the pro recruiters over someone who plays under control and makes 4 3's and 22 points a game.

Couldn't possible be top recruits want to go to a school where they look good in key wins on national TV against highly ranked teams. They obviously prefer looking like undisciplined school boys being yelled at by DAD.

Yep, no doubt about it is not Gary, it is College Park.

Posted by: geoski | February 18, 2011 6:11 PM | Report abuse

There's only 1 way the Terps get into the NCAAs: Winning the ACCT.

Does an 0-8 v RPI Top 50 team deserve a bid? Let's say the Terps beat UNC. Does a 1-8 v RPI Top 50 team deserve a bid?

No. It's not even close. They can win their remaining regular season games, and they're still not a good team. The numbers don't lie.

As for even winning their remaining 5 games, when was the last time the Terps won 5 in a row? Last year. Their longest win streak this season is 3 games.

We can hope for a miracle run in the ACCT, but if you're a betting man, bet on the Terps winning 3 of the last 5 and maybe 1 game in the ACCT. They'll do well in the NIT if the seniors don't completely tank, which is more likely than not.

Posted by: WheelsRI | February 18, 2011 6:14 PM | Report abuse

We'll won't know until the tournament is done. This team, like many, is unpredictable. Too many variables to make informed predictions. The Terps might run the table. They may lose most games. So what's the point of guessing out loud? We gotta wait for them to play the games. Then we'll learn who goes to the NCAA and NIT tournaments.

Posted by: AncientTerp | February 18, 2011 9:46 PM | Report abuse

They aren't "way out" depending on your defintion of "way out." They win out they should be in regardless of how they do in the ACC Tourney, go 3-1 and win two I think they'll be in as well.

Bottomline win out and a win one, they should have no problem.

Nonetheless, they are on the outside looking in.

Posted by: mle916 | February 18, 2011 9:50 PM | Report abuse

I love Gary William, but he has limitations ... and, being stubborn is one of them.

This year, he should have know that Dino, Sean, Adrian are not star players, and are not starting material period! They can provide a relief, as backup ... and, that's what they really are.

Insisting on playing these 3 has hurt the Maryland Basketball program this year. Gary should have put the best players on the court, and not flooded it with inept talentless seniors!

Besides, we should have done a MUCH better job recruiting players from the local region.

I am surprised that we don't play the Iceman, and James Padgett for more minutes!

Posted by: mi6-007 | February 18, 2011 10:47 PM | Report abuse

"* I hope Keith Law is caught in a public bathroom having relations with a transvestite."
-->That's just not true!

Posted by: break20 | February 19, 2011 8:39 AM | Report abuse

The Terps are done unless Gary can again pull out another late season miracle. Doubt it happens. Our team is basically one good player and a bunch of role players at this point. Hard to replace Vasquez, Hayes, and Milbourne. Think we'll be better next year with Faust and Gibbs coming in and Jordan staying (no, he isn't going to the NBA).

Posted by: aviscardo | February 19, 2011 12:10 PM | Report abuse

"This is one year the Terps better not look down on ANYTHING postseason.

Posted by: poorskins | February 18, 2011 1:09 PM"
-->We haven't made it past the second round of the NCAA's in like 8 years. This is a basketball school. This is unacceptable!

Posted by: break20 | February 19, 2011 1:28 PM | Report abuse

"At this point their only way in is to win the ACC tournament.

Posted by: postfan1 | February 18, 2011 12:26 PM"
-->That's just not true, win out and they should be in!

Posted by: break20 | February 19, 2011 7:42 PM | Report abuse

looking ove rthe games we have left prior to ACC tourney i see them lucky if they win 2 or 3 their loss to duke BC ( first game and even PITT was unforgiveable...only a miracle can save them now we do not have a grevis vasquez to put the team obn his back and carry us to the finish line.... wonder if they get a NIT bid,,,,,they should be able to win a NIT title but never play hard enough to advance

Posted by: whatbull | February 19, 2011 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, we don't have any signature wins. Terps need to run the table plus at least make it to the ACC Finals for consideration to the tournament. Another option BC and Va tech lose remaining games while MD. wins each game. Gary like Fridge has done a lot for the program but it may be time to cut ties. Maryland should be automatic each year for the tournament but never remains consistent. Next year team will be older and hopefully Jordan Williams will return. Today they don't know how to close out games,

Posted by: sgibbs1054 | February 20, 2011 2:32 AM | Report abuse

Where's Barno??? I thought he was going to be laughing at us "Garyhaters" when we made it into the NCAA's.

Looks like you are wrong, AGAIN, Barno. From the posts above, it looks like more and more people are frustrated with Gary's "skillset" i.e. coaching decisions and weak recruiting. I guess I am not the only one or one of the very few, as you once thought.

Good to see others expect more from this program than a bunch of NIT's and 2nd round losses in the NCAAs over the past 8 years, next year doesnt look much better with no bigs coming so far. MD fans deserve better!

Great post Poopy about setting the bar awefully low, a lot of Garylovers, just want to look at a personal award he got in a weak year or a tie for a reg season title which meant nothing, especially when we lost in the first round of the ACC and 2nd round of the NCAA, buzzer beater or not, we lost!

He has 3 Srs on this team and a top rated JR., all which have done nothing and have not developed at all! This is one Gary, he is the coach, its his job to help/guide/teach them, if they are gym rats and great athletes as many have said, then its on him for not being able to give them the confidence and development over 4 years. Gary is failing at most if not all aspects as a coach right now, maybe not for a mid-major program, but thats not what MD is.

Please retire Gary, let the MD program get someone that care about recruiting and player development, not just yelling and personal awards.

Posted by: cm88 | February 20, 2011 9:32 AM | Report abuse

It funny all of the Gary Haters always call out things like what had he done in the past 8 years? Hmmm 9 years ago he won the National Championship.

If you want Gary out you can not possible have been a fan of Maryland basketball before he arrived. If you where, you would realize what state the program was in and how bad the past 20 years without Gary would have been.

Posted by: dcinmd1 | February 20, 2011 10:48 PM | Report abuse

While I may be considered a Garyhater, and I have been critical of him, Gary can coach at UM as long as he likes in my book. I don't think being critical with someone necessarily equates to wanting him gone. Yes, I think Gary needs better assistants and needs to do a better job of recruiting, but as far as I'm concerned they can name the building after him.

Posted by: kingrob76 | February 21, 2011 1:48 AM | Report abuse

I have been a terps fan for over 40 years and there is no doubt in my mind the passed 20 years with Gary at the helm have been a great boost to our program. We have never been a basketball school afforded the overall piock of the crop, but even with this limitation we produce quality players again and again.

This year has been a challange and I think our freshmen guards are starting show their strengths especially in long range shooting which is critical. Our seniors are role players and they have done an ok job. A J.W. has raised the level of his game. To be a NCCA caliber team we need another big!

Posted by: sunshinebb263 | February 21, 2011 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Yes, you are right, the past 20 years would have been terrible, because there is NO way MD would have been able to get a good coach that could have actually recruited some of the Top players from the MD/DC area, instead we would have gotten a complete moron that would have lead us to nowhere. Oh btw, the sky is falling also!

Gary did a very good job turning this program around, but MANY coaches have come in to MANY programs and turned them around, not many have the recruiting backyard or legacy that was already built here by Lefty. Stop giving Gary all the credit, MD would have turned around with almost any good coach/recruiter. Maybe we would have gotten Wade part 2, but maybe we wouldnt. Maybe we wouldnt be headed to our 4th NIT in 8 years, but unfortuately with Gary, we are.

Posted by: cm88 | February 21, 2011 8:21 PM | Report abuse

where's waldo? I mean Barno...

Posted by: restonhoops | February 21, 2011 9:11 PM | Report abuse

He is in hiding :) Hopefully studying more stats.

Posted by: cm88 | February 22, 2011 2:23 PM | Report abuse

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