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Posted at 12:10 PM ET, 02/15/2011

Talkin' Terps: Should Maryland have paid up for Randy Shannon?

By Matt Bonesteel

Randy Shannon won't be coming to College Park to be Maryland's defensive coordinator, and the Baltimore Sun is reporting that negotiations broke down because Shannon stood to lose $1.5 million in buyout money from Miami, which fired Shannon as head coach after last season.

In Steve Yanda's post about Shannon, commenter Rustinator had this to say:

"I'm sorry, you can't pay $1.5 million for a DC. If Miami wasn't going to pay the buyout if he took the Terps' DC job, then they just need to move on."

Do you agree? Should Maryland have ponied up to get Shannon, or do you agree with Rustinator that that price was too high for a coordinator?

By Matt Bonesteel  | February 15, 2011; 12:10 PM ET
 
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Who said that Shannon needed the full $1.5 million to be happy? When you lose your job as head coach of one of the most prestigious programs in the country, chances are your next gig is not going to pay as much. It would be interesting to find out exactly what UMD offered--and what Shannon was willing to accept. If the gap was more than $500,000, then I wouldn't blame MD so much. But would it surprise anyone if we found out Kevin Anderson screwed this up by not ponying up a few bucks more?

Posted by: Barno1 | February 15, 2011 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Why is it necessary to create a whole new post about this?

Do you get paid by the post?

This whole quoting poster is getting old very quickly.

Posted by: dcinmd1 | February 15, 2011 12:17 PM | Report abuse

I don't have any problem with them quoting the readers. This is a sports blog bro, not a front page hard news piece about the war in Afghanistan. Stop taking it so seriously.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 15, 2011 12:20 PM | Report abuse

The Sun is flat out running circles around the Post...

Posted by: MerlinTerps | February 15, 2011 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Sure would have been nice to have had Shannon recruiting for Maryland in Florida.

Posted by: why231 | February 15, 2011 12:43 PM | Report abuse

So we couldn't come up with $1.5mil to pay Shannon but had no problem finding the $2mil for fire Fridge?

Couldn't we have kept Fridge and used that $2mil to replace Franklin with Shannon?

Posted by: fushezzi | February 15, 2011 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Brown was making $400+k before he left, so one would expect a new DC to not get paid more than $500k, even with the profile of Shannon. That's a $1 million gap there that's not going to get filled by a booster. I'm guessing that Shannon got offerred $500k or somewhere in that neighborhood, and then went back to Miami to try to arrange a compromise with terms likely in his buyout that would prohibit him from taking certain jobs. Miami probably laughed him out of the office and said take your $1.5 million and take the year off or give us the check back.

If someone's paying me that much to do nothing, that's precisely what I'm going to do unless someone else is going to pay me close to the same amount to do something I love to do. If I were Kevin Anderson/Edsall, I'd be willing to go as high as $750k for a DC (and only for a guy with a profile like Shannon), but if it took more than that, it'd be time to keep looking.

Posted by: Russtinator | February 15, 2011 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Kevin Anderson is quickly becoming a master at creating high expectations then dashing them. So you mean to tell me we had no idea that Shannon had this $1.5M buyout? Why did we interview him if we were unwilling to deal with this? Our AD is a joke.

Posted by: aviscardo | February 15, 2011 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Again, Russ, you are assuming that Shannon wouldn't take less than what he was making at Miami. That's not realistic given that he was fired. He has to know that. He's not stupid. He also has to know that a DC position isn't going to make that kind of money. Therefore I can't imagine the gap between what MD was offering and what Shannon was willing to accept was anywhere remotely near $1 million. He probably wanted somewhere between $500-$750K...that's the only way he'd even interview for the job. That's reasonable to assume. And that's also why I'd think it's also reasonable to assume the gap was only a few hundred thousand...which makes this all the more frustrating.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 15, 2011 1:05 PM | Report abuse

It would have been great to have him, but a team like Maryland just can't fork over that much money for a DC. Maybe Alabama, Auburn or LSU can. But we all know about their "secret handshakes" too.

Posted by: steven09 | February 15, 2011 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Ultimately, it's another terrible PR disaster by our athletic department. Why did we put it out there in the first place that we were pursuing Shannon and offered him the job and get everyone's hopes up? Just as he did with Leach....

Posted by: Barno1 | February 15, 2011 12:00 PM
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Oh c'mon. Do you at all follow free agency for any of the major sports?

Every off season it's made public that free agents meet with Teams A, B, C, D, E. etc. Player is only gonna pick 1 of those teams so fans of the others are gonna be disappointed.

Basically same thing here.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 15, 2011 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Unless, of course, Mr. Plank was willing to fork it up. (We love you Kevin!) Just saying. Otherwise.....It looks like we will have to go after someone else.

Posted by: steven09 | February 15, 2011 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Randy would have done wonders for the recruiting side, and great things as far as a coordinator. if Maryland wants to COMPETE with the big boys, the North Carlina's the Florida States, and Miami, they need to make this kind of bold move. Recruiting wise, Randy is second to none, Butch has the edge on these local kids right now, and it will be a few years until Maryland can make noise in the ACC. the division is not that tough right now, so this could have been a coup, but money is always an issue!
http://reallionnaire.blogspot.com/

Posted by: seanawilliams2001 | February 15, 2011 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I disagree Poop...coaching interviews and player free agency aren't the same. Teams often keep quiet which coaches they are bringing in. Just think of the Redskins locking up Joe Gibbs without anyone knowing. Or even Shannahan...sure there was a lot of speculation but there was no "the Redskins have offered Mike Shannahan the head coaching position...we are now waiting to see if he accepts." I don't think anyone in their right mind would argue the Redskins handle PR well, but if even they can handle coaching searches without these gaffes, why can't Kevin Anderson's athletic department?

Posted by: Barno1 | February 15, 2011 1:16 PM | Report abuse

seanawwilliams,

bro...what are you smoking? North Carolina?? You think MD can't compete w/ North Carolina? Seriously?? It's puff puff, pass. Not puff, puff, puff, puff, puff....

UNC hasn't won an ACC title in over 30 years. They've been a joke for a while. During the last decade they've gone 55-68 in that span. Even the "good years" of Butch Davis, they've just been a .500 team.

Please.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 15, 2011 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Again, Russ, you are assuming that Shannon wouldn't take less than what he was making at Miami. That's not realistic given that he was fired. He has to know that. He's not stupid. He also has to know that a DC position isn't going to make that kind of money. Therefore I can't imagine the gap between what MD was offering and what Shannon was willing to accept was anywhere remotely near $1 million. He probably wanted somewhere between $500-$750K...that's the only way he'd even interview for the job. That's reasonable to assume. And that's also why I'd think it's also reasonable to assume the gap was only a few hundred thousand...which makes this all the more frustrating.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 15, 2011 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Do you really think he would leave $1.5 million on the table to take a job paying $750 or even $1 million? Do you think Shannon is crazy?

Fact #1---Randy Shannon was paid $1.5 million to leave Miami, just like Ralph was paid $2 million to leave Maryland.

Fact #2--There's something in the buyout contract that is forcing Shannon to go back to the 'Canes to approve new employment.

Fact #3--DCs are not paid more than $1 million in college football.

Fact #4--Shannon did not take the job after checking with Miami officials.

Put those facts together. If you had a $1.5 million check in hand, but that check had a stipulation that you had to check with the person who gave you that check before taking another job, what would you do if the person was going to cancel the check if you took another job?

I don't udnerstand how you can argue this Barno. It's simple dollars and cents. By taking the Terps' DC job, he was risking a $1.5 million payday for sitting on his hands, something he would never recoup by taking any coordinator position in the country. There's obviously something in his buyout that is forcing him to run every employment opportunity through the Miami Athletic Department, and the 'Canes are vetoing him at every step.

Maybe the Terps were taking a shot in the dark understanding the terms of Shannon's buyout, or it is possible that Shannon has not been fully disclosing the terms he reached with Miami regarding his buyout. At any rate, if Shannon is going to work this year, he either needs to clear it with Miami or that team needs to gap the $1.5 million Miami paid him to leave or reach a compromise with the 'Canes.

I don't understand why you would think Shannon's just going to throw $1.5 million out the window just to take another job, or why Miami would just give their former head coach away to another conference school without reducing or cancelling his buyout check (Fridge probably has a similar clause in his too).

Posted by: Russtinator | February 15, 2011 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Simply put Russ, I think if he wants to coach again this year as a D-coordinator, he's already come to the realization he's not going to make $1.5 million. Which means he's already come to the realization he's going to leave some money on the table. The question then becomes how much. By your own numbers, he's not going to make more than $1 million at the absolute most if he becomes a D-coordinator again. He's got to know this, again, because he's not stupid. So he's already come to grips with the fact that he's going to leave a bare minimum of $500K on the table.

I don't see how you can argue that he wasn't going to leave money on the table when he clearly was interviewing for a job that would make leaving money on the table a necessity.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 15, 2011 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Barno, I can think of just last year after the Orioles fired Dave Trembley, made Juan Samuel manager and it was reported in The Post, The Sun, etc. that the O's were interviewing Buck Showalter, Eric Wedge, and a few others for their head coaching position.

And that's off the top of my head in like 2 seconds.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 15, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Anyhow, I don't really want to keep arguing this one point Russ. The fact is he's gone and there's nothing we can do about it. I'm p*ssed that we were teased and got our hopes up again only for the inevitable let down.

First it was Fridge will be back

Then it was Fridge won't be back

Next it was Leach will be coming here

Followed by Leach won't be coming here

Then it was, well at least we'll keep Don Brown

Except well, Don Brown won't be back

And finally it was a big name Randy Shannon to solidify the coaching staff

Except well, he's not coming here either.

It's awful PR anyway you want to look at it.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 15, 2011 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Poop, I see your point...I guess the difference here is UMD is leaking info that they know would really excite the fan base only to keep letting us down. I don't think you were ready to get the blunts out to celebrate when you heard Eric Wedge might be coming to MD.

I'm glad MD it appears Md is going after the top guys, but for the rest of this off season I don't want to hear anything until they have a deal done. They can't keep letting their fans down like this, too many letdowns in one offseason (and it's only February).

Posted by: Barno1 | February 15, 2011 1:55 PM | Report abuse

I would've rather we just use the money and made him our HC, I consider him equal to Edsall.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | February 15, 2011 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Nah Barno, blunts suck. Too harsh on the throat and uses up too much herb for minimal effects.

Glass Tommy Chong bong is the way to go.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 15, 2011 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Maybe somebody who works in the Athletic Department who doesn't like KA is leaking info ahead of time, making him look bad.

Just speculating.

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | February 15, 2011 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Of course. But with your personal money. A million and half just to buyout his Miami contract? He was f'n fired. Why on earth reward the guy? And then when u want to recruit and you've got no dough then what?What planet of endless money do you live on?

Posted by: KraftPaper | February 15, 2011 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Are there any other candidates on the radar?

Posted by: Russtinator | February 15, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

@ Posted by: Barno1
______________________

What are you talking about MD competing with NC Tarheels?? What are you smoking Chong?? Look at the stats and records, bowl games, NFL draft players, etc. Heward Bey or Hakeem Nicks?? I'll go with the Pro Bowler- Nicks, Rookie of the Year. Barnes or Sensabaugh? I think I'll go with the Pro Bowler again. I'll keep going if you want, but I think you see the trend. Not to mention the MD Terps are not even in the picture in the ACC, you guys stink and your AD needs to take ridlin before making any decisions. MD Terps football is poised to finish last in the ACC this year unless Wake Forest loses every game. Honestly, who are you better than in the ACC? Not competing with the mighty Tarheels that's for sure. I don't think the MD Terps could beat the Towson Tigers.

Posted by: bporter1 | February 15, 2011 3:23 PM | Report abuse

If you want to compete with the big boys you gotta pony up the dough. You go from Leach to Edsall and then cant dish out for a quality DC and moreover a major player in the recruiting circles. This does not bode well for the foosball team.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 15, 2011 3:27 PM | Report abuse

@ Posted by: Barno1
______________________

What are you talking about MD competing with NC Tarheels?? What are you smoking Chong?? Look at the stats and records, bowl games, NFL draft players, etc. Heward Bey or Hakeem Nicks?? I'll go with the Pro Bowler- Nicks, Rookie of the Year. Barnes or Sensabaugh? I think I'll go with the Pro Bowler again. I'll keep going if you want, but I think you see the trend. Not to mention the MD Terps are not even in the picture in the ACC, you guys stink and your AD needs to take ridlin before making any decisions. MD Terps football is poised to finish last in the ACC this year unless Wake Forest loses every game. Honestly, who are you better than in the ACC? Not competing with the mighty Tarheels that's for sure. I don't think the MD Terps could beat the Towson Tigers.

Posted by: bporter1 | February 15, 2011 3:23 PM | Report abuse
------------------------------

Please keep going. Besides Peppers you've just about blown your wad.

I know you don't want to compare UMD vs. UNC players in the NFL.

I'll let you take it back right now. Go ahead.

Off the top of my head I can name a Starting QB, two starting LB's, a pro bowl tight end and 3 defensive backs CURRENTLY playing.

We haven't even got to the lineman yet.

I understand, you spoke too soon. I'll let you take it back.

Posted by: fushezzi | February 15, 2011 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Should read, Regarding former terps: off the top of my head I can name......

Posted by: fushezzi | February 15, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Stu27. If all Maryland cares about is being middle-of-the-pack ACC, but with crappy Bowl selections because no one cares about them, then you don't pay to bring in Shannon.

If you want to at least try and move up to the top of the heap, then you pay. You think future recruits don't hear about this stuff? If Maryland is recruiting you, and you now they aren't willing to pony up for top notch coaches, why would you choose to go here? Where else will they take shortcuts? Trainers? Training facilities?

They paid $2 mil to get rid of a coach they thought was only so-so, but they won't pay $1.5 mil for a good coach and recruiter who they actually want.

If Anderson has succeeded at anything this winter for Terps football, it's to make the fan-base even more disillusioned.

Posted by: segastyle | February 15, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: fushezzi | February 15, 2011 3:37 PM | Report abuse

neat website. Shows all the pro players from a school.

MD:
http://www.databasefootball.com/players/bycollege.htm?sch=University+of+Maryland

UNC:
http://www.databasefootball.com/players/bycollege.htm?sch=University+of+North+Carolina

Posted by: Stu27 | February 15, 2011 4:01 PM | Report abuse

I wasn't too upset about the non Leach hire, but for MD not to get Shannon signed is a total mistake...Shannon not only gives you a great D Coordinator, but a great recruit as well...In my opinion, this deal had to get done, the fact that MD allowed for this to leak out doesn't help the desimated fan base...As a fan i'm highly upset, not so much at the fact that Shannon wasn't signed, but I feel duped once again...Having Randy Shannon, would have potentially guaranteed us top notch recruits, as well as an upgrade at the D Coordinator position...I don't know what direction the Athletic department is headed, but they better get it together or their going to lose a lot more than a few games in a season

Posted by: babycas2000 | February 15, 2011 4:03 PM | Report abuse

No way do you pay for a coordinator's buy out when it's $1MM+.

A million here, a million there, pretty soon you are talking about real money. Of course when that was first said by Everett Dirkson he was referring to billions, not millions. Still, let's get real. We can't be burning money like that.

Posted by: petecard | February 15, 2011 4:06 PM | Report abuse

another example of maryland wanting to finish in the middle of the pack...terps will never be an elite team and the aholes who keep contributing will continue to be aholes...stop the money now!!!!

obrien my advise is to transfer now take a yr off...terps will never be top squad...do ya think if va tech fsu had a shot at randy they would not pony up the bucks..

THE END

Posted by: carolina1 | February 15, 2011 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Randy would have been the best recruiter at MD in years.

Posted by: cmclaxton | February 15, 2011 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Look at it from Randy Shannon's perspective. He should sit out for one year, collect his 1.5 mil and take his time to find a good head coaching job, not a DC job. It was wishful thinking to begin with. Even if he signed it would not have been long before he was offered a head coaching job.

Posted by: torope | February 15, 2011 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Some people thought Anderson was together with Kevin Plank, if that was the case, then KP,'where's the $$$$'???
Terp fans are starting to sound like Bob Barker,"C'Mon down, you're the next coach in this debacle called Terps football", but no one wants to make it to the showcase showdown...

Posted by: frostanna | February 15, 2011 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Even if they ponied up the bucks he'd be gone next year for a HC position elsewhere. Might be a good thing. But they need a recruiter at the position.

Regards-

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | February 15, 2011 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I think it is premature to assume there is some huge leak/mole in the Terp athletic department. You know who is saying all this to the press? The coaches agents

Posted by: jpfterps | February 15, 2011 5:08 PM | Report abuse

What are you talking about MD competing with NC Tarheels?? What are you smoking Chong?? Look at the stats and records, bowl games, NFL draft players, etc. Heward Bey or Hakeem Nicks?? I'll go with the Pro Bowler- Nicks, Rookie of the Year. Barnes or Sensabaugh? I think I'll go with the Pro Bowler again. I'll keep going if you want, but I think you see the trend. Not to mention the MD Terps are not even in the picture in the ACC, you guys stink and your AD needs to take ridlin before making any decisions. MD Terps football is poised to finish last in the ACC this year unless Wake Forest loses every game. Honestly, who are you better than in the ACC? Not competing with the mighty Tarheels that's for sure. I don't think the MD Terps could beat the Towson Tigers.

Posted by: bporter1 | February 15, 2011 3:23 PM

They are better than the Blue Devils. Yes we are the reigning NC in Men's BB, however our FB program is doomed. And we root for MD to beat the Tar Heels. At everything.

Gotta say, looks like the data is far in favor of MD. Thanks for schooling the Tar Heel, Terps...and we'll see you at the dance.

Posted by: Duke-Rulz-1995 | February 15, 2011 5:09 PM | Report abuse

@bp......Who is your QB?

lol....Terps aren't in the game? I think that's locker room material.

See you on the field.

Posted by: steven09 | February 15, 2011 5:17 PM | Report abuse


What are you talking about MD competing with NC Tarheels?? What are you smoking Chong?? Look at the stats and records, bowl games, NFL draft players, etc.

Posted by: bporter1 | February 15, 2011 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Ladies and gentlemen, we have a new winner for the Most Asinine Post in the history of the Terps Insider.

Ok, you asked for it...let's compare "stats and records, bowl games, NFL draft players"

Recent Bowl history:

UNC 5 bowls in 10 years
MD 7 bowls in 10 years

UNC 2-3 in bowl games
MD 5-2 in bowl games

Records:

UNC 55-68 .440%
MD 75-50 .600%

ACC titles in the last 30 years:

UNC 0
MD 4

Current NFL Players:

UNC 22
MD 31

Things that make you go hmmm....

Posted by: Barno1 | February 15, 2011 5:37 PM | Report abuse

maryland fans are some of the dumbest around. do you really think not getting shannon is a disaster? give me a break. ucla and texas didnt want the guy. md will be fine.

Posted by: slick3 | February 15, 2011 6:53 PM | Report abuse

This is not a high profile coach. Randy may work out as a great coach, may not. He does not need an overpaid DC. Get an up and coming DC and see if they can build a program, otherwise we will be where MD is in all Mens revenue sports average.

Posted by: geoski | February 15, 2011 7:05 PM | Report abuse

"Why is it necessary to create a whole new post about this?

Do you get paid by the post?

This whole quoting poster is getting old very quickly.


Posted by: dcinmd1 | February 15, 2011 12:17 PM"
-->It's a legit question, hence why the Post has generated this many comments, moron!

Posted by: break20 | February 15, 2011 11:44 PM | Report abuse

"So we couldn't come up with $1.5mil to pay Shannon but had no problem finding the $2mil for fire Fridge?

Couldn't we have kept Fridge and used that $2mil to replace Franklin with Shannon?


Posted by: fushezzi | February 15, 2011 12:46 PM"
-->A little different between replacing a coordinator versus a coach.

Franklin coached offense, Shannon was defense, need I say more?

Posted by: break20 | February 15, 2011 11:55 PM | Report abuse

"It would have been great to have him, but a team like Maryland just can't fork over that much money for a DC. Maybe Alabama, Auburn or LSU can. But we all know about their "secret handshakes" too.

Posted by: steven09 | February 15, 2011 1:09 PM"
-->As well as programs like Florida, Texas, and Notre Dame have virtually unlimited budgets to spend on assistant coaches. How much did ND leave on the table for Charlie Weis after all?

Posted by: break20 | February 16, 2011 12:00 AM | Report abuse

"Fact #3--DCs are not paid more than $1 million in college football."
-->Russ, meet Monte Kiffin!

Posted by: break20 | February 16, 2011 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Good to Great, kids. Good to Great.

Posted by: Terps85 | February 16, 2011 1:17 AM | Report abuse

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