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Posted at 12:04 PM ET, 02/10/2011

Talkin' Terps: Who's missing from the nonconference schedule?

By Matt Bonesteel

Good afternoon.

Maryland had no problem last night with Longwood in a rare early-February game against a nonconference team. Seeing as how the Terrapins took a break from ACC play, today's question is this: Is there a nonconference team that you would like to see Maryland play every year, or at least frequently?

I'm guessing a lot of people want to see Maryland play a certain gray-clad team from Northwest Washington. But is there anyone else?

By Matt Bonesteel  | February 10, 2011; 12:04 PM ET
Categories:  Men's basketball  
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Here are a few: Rutgers, St. Johns, obviously GTown, South Carolina, GW, Florida,

Posted by: petecard | February 10, 2011 12:14 PM | Report abuse

West Virginia

Posted by: fushezzi | February 10, 2011 12:24 PM | Report abuse

West Virginia

Posted by: fushezzi | February 10, 2011 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Georgetown is a no-brainer, but that's not happening. I'd also like to see them play some of the other local guys each year like Mason, GW and American. The Villanova games have also been pretty good, despite the fact that we've lost.

Posted by: CYork1 | February 10, 2011 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Gtown is wat to chicken to play terps and as long as the racist thompson and his old man are aroung...aint happening

Posted by: carolina1 | February 10, 2011 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Georgetown is the obvious choice, but Big John is still stinging from the 1993 defeat at the Cap Center.

Mason would be a good choice, as would VCU and Richmond.

GW brings nothing to the table until they turn things around.

Pitt would also be good as an annual matchup. The game at MSG was really competitive, and would further fuel that hatred between DC/Maryland/Baltimore and teams from the steel city.

Posted by: Russtinator | February 10, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

GEORGETOWN HOYAS!!! THAT WOULD BE A GREAT NON-CONFERENCE LOCAL BATTLE FOR D.C. AREA BRAGGING RIGHTS. IT WOULD SELL LOTS OF TICKETS AND MIGHT EVEN GET AN ESPN AIRING!!!

Posted by: dcteti | February 10, 2011 1:17 PM | Report abuse

West Virginia or Pitt would be interesting. G'twon won't happen...us Terp fans are still waiting on that return visit to College Park after the last regular season meeting in 1993!!!

For football, it would definitely be Navy so tell the Midshipmen to stop scheduling Duke and Wake Forest every year!!!

Posted by: S-Doug | February 10, 2011 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Georgetown, G.W., VCU, Richmond and West Virginia should be on an almost annual cycle. Yeah, the Terps would lose to all five here and there, but it's good competition with a somewhat local rivalry angle.

I liked the Villanova game and it's worth keeping in consideration.

Posted by: scrappledog | February 10, 2011 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Would love to see the Terps play Missouri or Kentucky. As long as its a good team they havent played very many times. And it would be nice if it was a team ouside of the area.

Posted by: jokey04 | February 10, 2011 1:34 PM | Report abuse

To be honest I think that Navy & Maryland should play in football and basketball every year. It's the only real in state rivlary that is there.

Georgetown can play MD every year once they agree to play at Comcast 1st. They owe us one and can rot in hell until they do.

Posted by: khornbeak | February 10, 2011 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Maryland and Georgetown have to play. End of story - work it out. Neither sells as many tickets as they could/should so juicier competition at Verizon and Comcast is needed. I guess if you're JTIII you could say that there's currently no huge reason to play Maryland, since it would help the Terps more (at the moment - would have been different ten years ago). Make it so!

Posted by: Kev29 | February 10, 2011 2:19 PM | Report abuse

It's not a big boost to our RPI but I always enjoyed the games against American U the week of Christmas every year. They started to become a very respectable mid-major program the last few years and it's a shame that coincided with when we stopped playing them. Also didn't help that they beat us.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 10, 2011 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Terps non-con schedule and how I'd edit it...

Seattle (tourney)
Charleston (tourney)
Maine (tourney)
vs Pittsburgh (tourney)
vs Illinois (tourney)
Delaware St. (first elective cupcake, fine)
Elon (Navy)
at Penn St. (challenge)
vs Temple (good)
N.C. Greensboro (cupcake near finals, no biggie. Furman or Wofford)
N.J.I.T. (RPI killer, play CAA)
North Florida (Winthrop)
Colgate (decent Ivy)
at Villanova (Georgetown, during rivalry week)
Longwood (Towson, earlier in season)

Make those changes and they'd still have about 8 guaranteed home wins, but against schools that won't demolish RPI ranking. Still have the early season biggies with a big local rivalry and keep things a bit more local with Towson and Navy. More appealing schedule for ticket buyers, gives the team a fair shot at 20 wins+ and they'd still be an RPI Top 50 team with a better shot at an at large bid.

Let's compare with a school that schedules more proactively...

Xavier (17-6, RPI 20, made last 5 tournaments, Sweeet 16 and beyond three straight seasons)

RPI in perenthesis

Western Michigan (203) 68-65 W
IPFW (172) 76-66 W
vs Iowa (142) 86-73 W
vs Seton Hall (97) 57-52 W
vs Old Dominion (31) 58-67 L
Wofford (150) 94-90 W
at Miami (OH) (101) 64-75 L
Butler (49) 51-49 W
Wake Forest (241) 83-75 W
at Gonzaga (74) 54-64 L
Albany (229) 88-64 W
Florida (13) 67-71 L
at Cincinnati (38) 46-66 L
at Georgia (44) 65-57 W

Even the RPI bombs and cupcakes have been tournament programs recently. Play three local rivals (Cincy, Miami, Dayton--conference). Took their lumps but got them ready for the conference slate where they are now 8-1 and got a very good road win against a tourney calibre non-con team the other night.

Posted by: Kev29 | February 10, 2011 2:49 PM | Report abuse

West Virginia or Gtown, maybe a George Mason or GW game now and then

Posted by: hailtothenersh | February 10, 2011 2:50 PM | Report abuse

If any of you ever have the chance, WITNESS the Big 5 for yourself. The Palestra is the only place that compares to Cole. All the local schools are there. I thought long ago that the BB&T was going to provide that....like back in 1993.

Wouldn't MD-GT sell out the phone booth by definition? With Leonsis pricing, not Snyder gouging? That's got to be a be a ton of cash that is being left on the table by both schools. If KW wants to quickly add to the bottom line, and please the alumni, he needs to make it happen, outside of the BB&T so the schools split the money.

I thought we had a good OOC schedule this year but without the sigwin result.

Regards-

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | February 10, 2011 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Locals, of course: G'town, George Mason, heck, maybe even Howard. But mostly whichever team will help us with recruiting, starting with the NYC, Philly & Chicago areas: St. John's, Temple, Depaul, etc.

Posted by: JMD9087 | February 10, 2011 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Seattle (tourney)
Charleston (tourney)
Maine (tourney)
vs Pittsburgh (tourney)
vs Illinois (tourney)
Delaware St. (first elective cupcake, fine)
Elon (Navy)
at Penn St. (challenge)
vs Temple (good)
N.C. Greensboro (cupcake near finals, no biggie. Furman or Wofford)
N.J.I.T. (RPI killer, play CAA)
North Florida (Winthrop)
Colgate (decent Ivy)
at Villanova (Georgetown, during rivalry week)
Longwood (Towson, earlier in season)

Posted by: Kev29 | February 10, 2011 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I like your ideas, they're just not very parctical or likely. I think a game against Navy would be something that is beneficial to both teams. They might even be able to sell it to the Mids as a 2 for neu, where two games would be played at Comcast and a third could be played on a neutral court like Verizon, Baltimore Arena, or on an aircraft carrier in the middle of the Chesapeake Bay (heck Michigan State and UNC are doing it).

UNC Greesboro was a 2-for-1 that was explicitly designed to get the Terps into the Greensboro Colosseum to adjust to the awkward shooting backgrounds for the ACC Tournament. Just about every ACC program signed a contract with them. I think Charlottle or UNC Wilmington (A-10) would both be better matches, but the UNCG matchup was not made for RPI.

NJIT was a terrible scheduling gaffe, and Gary could have definitely done better than that. There was no reason to expect that program to be respectable enough to help the Terps' RPI. Gary dropped the ball on that one.

North Florida was actually a pretty good matchup because of their style of play. UNF runs and presses, and was a good choice stylistically. They might have been better off with VMI or Eastern Kentucky though. Winthrop was not selling games after their recent sting of success, so there was little chance of getting them to come in on a fresh contract, and Gary is not going to sign a 2 for 1 with a SoCon team.

I still think Colgate was a good choice. They were poised to lead the Patriot this year, and they just got hammered early this year with a string of demoralizing losses, and they have never recovered. Colgate is a decent program, but replacing that with an Ivy League team serves no purpose. The Ivy is one of the most difficult leagues to project now (didn't used to be when Princeton and Penn ruled the roost). They could have played Bucknell, but that is another team that was selling games this year.

'Nova was a return for the Wildcats playing in the BB&T last season (thank Feinstein for that one). G-Town would be great, but as long as Big John still has his hands in the jar, it will NEVER happen, and certainly not during "rivalry" week when there's no guarantee that either school will share an opening in the conference schedule.

I agree that it would be great is the Terps could increase the SOS, but there's a lot more that goes into scheduling than just calling teams and asking them to come to Comcast and play.

Posted by: Russtinator | February 10, 2011 3:13 PM | Report abuse

WVU or GMU. Would love to see them play G-Town every year but, they are to chicken-sh#t to play the Terps.

Posted by: Section505203 | February 10, 2011 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Locals, of course: G'town, George Mason, heck, maybe even Howard. But mostly whichever team will help us with recruiting, starting with the NYC, Philly & Chicago areas: St. John's, Temple, Depaul, etc.

Posted by: JMD9087 | February 10, 2011 2:58 PM | Report abuse

That would mean playing those teams on the road, if your goal is to recruit. Three words...Not Gonna Happen

Why would Maryland take a road game against a mid-level opponent just to recruit? That's not how college basketball recruiting works. You host games and invite recruits as part of their designated visit to watch a game in your home arena.

The Terps already played a game in Philly this year (and have played at Temple in the past), and played 2 games at MSG. Chicago's a little outside of what would be considered a reasonable radius of campus for just one game, and there are no tournaments there that I'm aware of.

Posted by: Russtinator | February 10, 2011 3:18 PM | Report abuse

WVU or Pitt. WVU would make the most sense since we also have a bit of a football rivalry and with Huggy Bear in Morgantown, WVU should be a decent team for years to come.

Posted by: imageaid | February 10, 2011 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Good points, Russ. I hear you on UNCG, that's an OK cupcake but we certainly agree on NJIT - that's a big gaffe indeed. I wasn't really accounting for home-home and available guaranty games, just hypotheticals. I do think that Gary needs to be a bit more aggressive with home and home contracts. Be smarter and balance things.

Posted by: Kev29 | February 10, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Good points, Russ. I hear you on UNCG, that's an OK cupcake but we certainly agree on NJIT - that's a big gaffe indeed. I wasn't really accounting for home-home and available guaranty games, just hypotheticals. I do think that Gary needs to be a bit more aggressive with home and home contracts. Be smarter and balance things.

Posted by: Kev29 | February 10, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse

For a while there, he was doing a really good job of scheduling top home and home deals with big teams. The played UMass, Wisconsin (before the ACC-Big Ten Challenge), Kentucky, Florida, Temple, and Charlotte in home and homes over the past 15+ years. It just seems that there are very few major conference teams signing home and home deals anymore with the proliferation of neutral-site tournaments that don't hurt your RPI as much if you lose. I think these interconference matchups are valuable not only for the teams, but also the fans to give them a marquee game aside from the normal conference foes and cupcakes.

Posted by: Russtinator | February 10, 2011 3:44 PM | Report abuse

a return of the annual game in baltimore.

Posted by: terpcentral1 | February 10, 2011 4:47 PM | Report abuse

West Virginia -- period.

Posted by: LaserGuidedBomb | February 10, 2011 5:38 PM | Report abuse

GTOWN of course.....that could generate as much hype as Duke during some years

Posted by: TerpfanMA | February 10, 2011 5:40 PM | Report abuse

West Virginia definitely. Why don't we play them anyway? We always play them in football. It would be a huge bball rivalry every year.

Posted by: mf12284 | February 10, 2011 5:45 PM | Report abuse

@Russtinator - still smarting from '93? not likely. perhaps gayr is still smarting from 2 years ago when his squad led by the imcomparable egregious vasquez was run out of the gym. lol.

plus, GU doesn't benefit from scheduling another mid major cupcake like UMDCP. ODU, CCU, and Wofford present a better challenge and better numbers for RPI. but, hey, good luck in the NIT. i just hope you don't draw Manhattan again...

Posted by: funkey | February 10, 2011 5:52 PM | Report abuse

No desire to play local teams. Might draw interest around town, but not nationally. I'd rather us schedule teams that get us on TV in other regions, to help with recruiting.

For a while we played Cal each season. That's a good team. Or UCLA or Stanford. Basically, a PAC-10 team from California. Then maybe a team from the Southwest or Southeast. Texas, Kentucky? What about Syracuse for the Northeast?

UCLA, Kentucky, and Syracuse. Those would be my three. Different regions. Long-standing programs. Would make for good TV, too.

Posted by: segastyle | February 10, 2011 5:55 PM | Report abuse

"No desire to play local teams. Might draw interest around town, but not nationally. I'd rather us schedule teams that get us on TV in other regions, to help with recruiting."

Md is typically on national tv as much as just about any team in the nation. In recent years we've been on national tv upwards of 17, 18 games in just one season. This year we will be on national tv a minimum of 13 times (more if we advance in the ACC tourney or make the big dance). Also couldn't disagree more that a Gtown-MD match up wouldn't draw interest nationally...you're just wrong.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 10, 2011 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Barno, you may be right that they are on the East coast national tv channels that many times. But I live in Missouri and they have only been on tv 6 or 7 times (I check the schedule several times a week hoping to get lucky and catch a game). One game on CBS, three on ESPN, and two or three times on Fox Sports Midwest. Compare that to Duke who has been on over 15 times and Pitt, and Syracuse both over 12, in a Big 12 market.
Im not trying to argue my point is they rarely show UMD outside of their market. If they want national recognition they are going to have to play better teams than GM or GW(also NJITT, NF, Longwood, etc) I really believe they could compete with most teams across the country.It would be nice to see them at least try. I just dont see how playing a team that your expected to beat badly helps.
Other than going to the Sun or Post online, I have not heard UMD mentioned with the exception of the weeks they played Duke. Like I said not trying to argue with anyone just wanted to give you guys an idea of what it looks like from the midwest. I think Im the only Terp fan for 200 miles, and as I said earlier I would love to see them play Missouri.

Posted by: jokey04 | February 10, 2011 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Jokey04, we have been on national television 9 times so far this year...not regional but national. Espn, Espn2, EspnU, CBS, and Fox Sports Net...all of which can be viewed from anywhere in the country.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 10, 2011 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Kentucky, Kansas, UCLA.

I still remember when the Terps beat UCLA in December of '82 (or '83?) after the Bruins' Rod Foster missed two free throws as time expired, to send the game into OT.

Posted by: SmittyATL | February 10, 2011 8:21 PM | Report abuse

George Mason. Consistently one of the best teams in the CAA and never an RPI killer.

Posted by: crsiggy | February 10, 2011 8:30 PM | Report abuse

"a return of the annual game in baltimore.

Posted by: terpcentral1 | February 10, 2011 4:47 PM"
-->Build a better arena and that might happen!

Posted by: break20 | February 13, 2011 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Right! You yocals really believe that Gtown is afraid to play the Terps? Last I remember, they beat Maryland by almost 30 the last (in 08) time they met with Vasquez playing. Gtown also demolished Duke last year who won the national championship. For whatever reason, I do want them to play but stop with all the make believe scenarios.

Posted by: anthonyisblue | February 14, 2011 9:16 AM | Report abuse

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