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Posted at 1:44 PM ET, 02/22/2011

Talkin' Terps: Will you go to the ACC tournament?

By Matt Bonesteel

Good afternoon.

The Charlotte Observer has a story out today that describes the ACC's attempts to cut down on the swaths of empty seats at the ACC tournament in Greensboro, N.C. Last year, roughly 2,000 ticket books to the event went unsold, the Observer reports.

This year, the ACC isn't divvying out tickets equally to each school: North Carolina, N.C. State, Duke, Wake Forest and Virginia Tech will each receive 1,990 ticket books. Maryland, Clemson and Virginia each will get about 1,600. Boston College, Florida State, Miami and Georgia Tech each get roughly 1,200.

Last year, each school received 1,740 ticket books.

According to the ACC, each ticket book costs $396, no matter where you are sitting.

With that in mind, are you going to this year's ACC tournament? Have your plans changed from years past?


By Matt Bonesteel  | February 22, 2011; 1:44 PM ET
 
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Not giving the same number of tickets to each school? Really? WTF is that BS?

If the ACC no longer wants Maryland, I'm sure someone else will jump at the chance to have them in their conference.

Posted by: kingrob76 | February 22, 2011 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the distribution of the tickets is linked to the mysterious BCS formula that they don't release. My guess is that they're dividing them up based on how close your school is to Greensboro.

Posted by: DiehardTerp | February 22, 2011 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Do any MD fans go before the first round anyway? No one goes to first round games. You wait for Wake or NDST to lose and get tickets from those fans on their way out, once your team has advanced. Of course, it is an annual ritual for DUKE FANS to go down for at least the ACCT final because usually we are in it.

I hope to see many of you at the Duke invitational in early March and hope you do well there. More importantly BEAT those cowardly, sissified, Tar Heels.

There are fans from GT, NCST, UNC and Wake that I have deals with to buy tickets from when their teams lose. Not surprised that many of you don't, winning it every few decades would get in the way of that.

AND CM88, although your views are consistent with quite a few others on this board - Petecard for instance - no one, and I mean no one manages to make their points as unintelligently as you. wah-wah, wah-wah. Moreover, every single one of you (I realize MD has lower math SATs than Duke) forgets to adjust the logic: you need to eliminate the death penalty seasons from GW's record when evaluating the program. No one, not even Saint Mike K, could have won under those circumstances. And jees, the way you guys bring up 1974; please don't unless you were at least born in 1964 and were rabidly following MD BB. It hurt others, but not you. Kind of like my recollections of SBVII. I was too young to process that SB loss.

Posted by: Duke-Rulz-1995 | February 22, 2011 3:48 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't mind going to the ACC Tournament, but when you have no idea how many games your team will play, plus having to take a few days off of work, doesn't seem very worth it. Plus there are numerous other tournaments going on at the same time across the country you could watch at the same time, similar to an NFL Sunday, which you might miss.

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | February 22, 2011 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I mean, this sucks, but I'm not surprised. The NC schools will sell more tickets. If any board-sters are going let me know, I could meet you there. If UMD goes on a run I will definitely go to the finals. But that's a big if.

Posted by: jpfterps | February 22, 2011 3:49 PM | Report abuse

NCST and to be fair, both sets of numbers should be presented together (with and without DP years) for a full picture. Going forward, please do so.

My post aside (in which I did not point out who the number one ranked team in the nation is) I expect GW to do his traditional late season rally and see the Terps dancing.

'Tis better to bubble in than not dance at all.

Posted by: Duke-Rulz-1995 | February 22, 2011 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Duke-Rulz, sorry I am not the deep intellect you obviously are, on these very profound and deep blogs, but I guess you didnt read the article that just came out where Gary Williams couldnt even go to an All-Met's game or house and meet him, that he is "recruiting".

I am sure you want us to keep Gary because then you guys/duke fans, will keep getting our great players from the DC area.

Hopefully someone will wake up and get Gary out, so we will get someone that isnt resting on the hard work they did 20 years ago i.e. Gary. Either Gary is too old or too lazy to recruit, and without recruiting, we will always be behind UNC and Duke. Just a pathetic article to read,,,but I am sure Garylovers will say this and the all the other recruits and articles saying the same thing are all lies.

Wake up, Gary is lazy and thinks he is too cool to recruit,,,players want to feel wanted, nothing wrong with showing them that!

Posted by: cm88 | February 22, 2011 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Just in case you cant find it, its in the Baltimore Sun,,,,here is a classic for Garylovers to read(btw, kid is getting recruited by Gtown and Texas):

“We talk to [Terps assistant] coach Bino [Ranson] more than any coach,” Browne said. “He’s been more proactive in the recruitment than anybody. He’s been to a lot of games, talked to us a lot of times and been with us. I haven’t had any conversations with Gary [Williams], though. I’ve been told that’s not what he does, that it’s his style. I just don’t understand it. We’ve talked to every other head coach.


THATS not his style???? I guess being a bubble team and going to NIT's is Gary's "style".

Great job Gary, thanks for the hard work...pathetic!

Posted by: cm88 | February 22, 2011 5:59 PM | Report abuse

I have to say, cm88 is welcome here in my book for one reason - he gets under DR1995's skin like no one else. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Otherwise, disagree with your opinion of GW, but you are welcome to it. Maybe a bit kool-aid but think we have a better chance of getting to FFs with GW than without. Sure there might be ways that GW could improve his game, but I'll take his body of work and be happy with it.

Regards-

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | February 22, 2011 6:54 PM | Report abuse

The ACC Tournament is, for the most part, irrelevant any more. Has been for maybe 10 years. Hence the whole sections of empty seats. It used to be strictly for the Fat Cats but now the ACC can't GIVE away tickets. When the greedy ACC expanded, it brought in three football schools who cared very little about basketball. The only thing the Conference big shots cared about was the possibility of a mega-payout for the football ACC Championship, and now that too has blown up in their faces. Kinda poetic justice.

Posted by: LeeM9308 | February 22, 2011 7:21 PM | Report abuse

cm88, you're quoting from the Whittington article. I don't know why Gary hasn't been personally involved in Whittington's recruitment and neither do you. Whittington's a 2-star recruit; with Breunig a possibility, maybe Gary's not ready to commit to Whittington. Besides, Whittington was supposed to be at Md for the NC State game (but was unable to make it because he was sick). Gary is involved in recruitment - he was out in Alexandria to look at Arnaud Adala-Moto the other day - but I guess he just neglects to report to you on all of his recruitment activities and strategies.

Posted by: MrScrotums | February 22, 2011 9:13 PM | Report abuse

HughG, glad I could help :)

Btw, if Gary would wake up and actually try recruiting and turn this program back around, I would be happier than I can say. I dont care who the coach is, I just want us to be a top program again, not a bubble NIT team.

Mrballs, its not just this one recruiting story that bugs me and other Garyhaters, its all the stories that are exactly the same, so yes he is a 2 star recruit that Texas and Gtown see something in, I can also name a bunch of 4 and 5 star recruits that said the exact same thing about Gary thinking he was too good to go recruit the kid. Maybe Whittington decided he didnt want to waste his time coming for a visit if Gary cant. If you read the entire article, he sure does sound like a kid we could use, but I am sure 6'9 All Met guys will be flying to MD any day now.........

Posted by: cm88 | February 22, 2011 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Damn, didn't we just win the ACC last year? Now we're a "bubble NIT team"?

We lost 3 starters and we're still going to make the tournament. Would love to make a wager, friendly or financial, with anyone who disagrees.

We're still the 3rd best program in the conference, would it be sweet to be above Duke and Carolina? Hell yeah. But, it's not realistic. Sorry. But then, being a top 3 program in the premiere conference for college basketball on the planet ain't actually all that bad. There are hundreds of schools that would kill to be where we are, with the coach that we have.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | February 22, 2011 10:52 PM | Report abuse

And you all act like Gary Williams could just wave some magic wand, gladhand a few kids, flash a winning smile and all of a sudden the blue chippers would be lining up at our doorstep. It doesn't work like that, not today, not with the image conscious O.J. Mayo's and John Wall's out there.

I love the University of Maryland, but if I'm a 5-Star Recruit and had offers from UCLA, Chapel Hill, and UMD, sad to say that College Park wouldn't even be on my radar. The town sucks. There's two bars. The girls are ugly, and the weather is awful.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | February 22, 2011 10:54 PM | Report abuse

"According to the ACC, each ticket book costs $396, no matter where you are sitting."
-->Isn't that part of the problem like Comcast Center almost all the seats cost the same. Why would I want to pay the same in corner upper deck nose bleed as half-court 5th row? Just bad business if you ask me. Charge more for premium seating and less for the upper decks.

Posted by: break20 | February 23, 2011 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Musiq -

Disagree with ur desc. Of CP girls. Try GT, UVA, or VT. MD's rep in that dept. Is solid. Was just there on last Friday for the first warm day of winter session and it lived up to hype, if a bit pasty.

Break -

The general admission move down is a time honored tradition at the ACCT which maybe why the pricing is not adjusted. Not that it's a good reason or makes sense, but no one stays in their seats. For the Comcast center, better seats can be bought via contributions to the school.

Regards-

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | February 23, 2011 7:56 AM | Report abuse

I plan on going this year. I have a deal with some Duke fans to buy their tickets after the 2nd round after their early exit. I am getting discounted prices and it will help them get over their loss. We need more ACC Tournaments outside Carolina.

Posted by: torope | February 23, 2011 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Imjustlike...I would be happy to take that friendly wager, would love to lose that money and hope youre right. But, its not just about squeeking in, again, and losing early, which Gary has done for the past X years.

No, we did not win the ACC, we tied, and then lost in the first round of the tourn and 2nd of the NCAA, just like the last 4 or 5 times we have gotten into the NCAA.

Premiere basketball conf???? where have you been for the past several years? It used to be that MD would sell out all home games, not any more. Used to be that getting ACC tourn tickets was close to impossible, not true anymore. The ACC and MD basketball are going downhill, except for the 2 teams you mentioned, Duke and UNC.

So, youre saying Villanova has better weather, hotter chicks, and nicer campus than MD, cause they are bringing in top recruits from DC area every year. Gtown, exact same. How about the MD womens program? Ok, let me guess, they all cheat.

Posted by: cm88 | February 23, 2011 9:25 AM | Report abuse

...I can also name a bunch of 4 and 5 star recruits that said the exact same thing about Gary thinking he was too good to go recruit the kid.

Posted by: cm88 | February 22, 2011 9:20 PM

Yes, please name them. I don't recall seeing anything previously about a number of 4 and 5 star recruits who said that Gary thought he was too good to go recruit them, so I would be curious to see the list. I admit I don't know Gary's level of involvement in recruiting, and I suspect you don't either. I expect he jumps in when he thinks the time is right. In Whittington's case, Bino's in contact daily. Could be if Gary's more interested in Breunig, he doesn't want to be put in the position where he would have to promise anything to Whittington at this point.

And just because G'town and Texas may want a particular recruit, doesn't mean he would fit here. A top recruit could also have other issues that make him less desirable - a sense of entitlement, poor defensive skills, selfish with the ball, lack of understanding of offensive and defensive schemes, poor academics. I would like to see the Post or Sun publish a long interview with Gary on just his recruitment strategies and experiences. But not another poorly conceived, anecdotally-supported piece like the 2009 Yanda-Prisbell series.

Posted by: MrScrotums | February 23, 2011 10:39 AM | Report abuse

...I can also name a bunch of 4 and 5 star recruits that said the exact same thing about Gary thinking he was too good to go recruit the kid.

Posted by: cm88 | February 22, 2011 9:20 PM

Yes, please name them. I don't recall seeing anything previously about a number of 4 and 5 star recruits who said that Gary thought he was too good to go recruit them, so I would be curious to see the list. I admit I don't know Gary's level of involvement in recruiting, and I suspect you don't either

Posted by: MrScrotums | February 23, 2011 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Scrotums,

CM88 is a duke fan who has no idea what he is talking about ever when it comes to the Terps. The guy wastes hours on end every single day calling for GW to be fired and yet comically doesn't even realize Gary isn't going anywhere. He is hallucinating when he claims Gary doesn't go to watch our recruits' games. Gary is very involved in recruiting and spends as much time as any coach in the country on the recruiting trail. It's a figment of CM88's imagination that Gary doesn't recruit in person. But let this loser live in his fantasy world, he just looks like an idiot on these blogs and virtually everyone on here has decided to just stop arguing with this nutcase.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 23, 2011 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Mrballs, its not just this one recruiting story that bugs me and other Garyhaters, its all the stories that are exactly the same, so yes he is a 2 star recruit that Texas and Gtown see something in

---> It's late in the recruiting game. School are attempting to fill empty scholarships spots. Maryland has other recruits who are better/a better fit for MD. No need to offer this kid yet (if at all).

I can also name a bunch of 4 and 5 star recruits that said the exact same thing about Gary thinking he was too good to go recruit the kid.

-----> No you can't.

Maybe Whittington decided he didnt want to waste his time coming for a visit if Gary cant.

-----> Actually word is he wanted to spend time with his girlfriend. Whether that's true, whether he was sick or whether he just didnt want to waste his time, I doubt UMD was heartbroken over an unofficial visit.

If you read the entire article, he sure does sound like a kid we could use, but I am sure 6'9 All Met guys will be flying to MD any day now.........

------> cm - I'm guessing you've never seen this kid play. This kid is not a good fit for MD. I’m from Howard County and have followed HoCo basketball since I can remember. Whittington is a good player, no doubt. But, as already mentioned, the competition he's playing against is well-below average (My HS primarily guarded him with someone 6 inches shorter). Don’t get me wrong, the kid can ball and yes, JW was playing against weak competition too. If he’s another diamond in the rough….great. I just think we have better options, even as limited as they are. If I was an adviser of his, which I’m not (and really this is only my opinion), I would tell him to go to Robert Morris (he is being recruited by them) where he’ll still be close to home and will likely get more PT. In my opinion he’s not an ACC player. If he comes to MD I pray he proves me wrong.

Save the scholarship. This is a transfer waiting to happen.


Posted by: fushezzi | February 23, 2011 11:53 AM | Report abuse

"The ACC Tournament is, for the most part, irrelevant any more. Has been for maybe 10 years. Hence the whole sections of empty seats. It used to be strictly for the Fat Cats but now the ACC can't GIVE away tickets. When the greedy ACC expanded, it brought in three football schools who cared very little about basketball. The only thing the Conference big shots cared about was the possibility of a mega-payout for the football ACC Championship, and now that too has blown up in their faces. Kinda poetic justice.

Posted by: LeeM9308 | February 22, 2011 7:21 PM"
-->It's not nearly relevant as it once was that's for sure before the tourney expanded on a grand scale in the mid-80s. The whole regular season has been devalued IMO for the "Big Dance."

If Duke loses in the first round, do they drop past a #2 seed. We would probably have to make at least the finals(assuming we lost to UNC) to have a shot and maybe winning it all.

I don't think expansion was worth it for a "basketball conference" even if it slightly upgraded our football profile. Let's face we're the #5 conference(for football) instead of maybe being the #6.

Posted by: break20 | February 23, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse

No and no.

Posted by: fellowfan | February 23, 2011 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I love when Barno opens his mouth and looks like a complete idiot,,,so easy for him :) Sorry Fushezzi and Scrotems, that you had to include yourselves in this list but you asked for it. Please know MD basketball before you act like an expert!!!

Here you go:

3rd party article, I can send the link:

Players like Rudy Gay (UConn), Carmelo Anthony (Syracuse), Donte Greene (Syracuse), Kevin Durant (Texas), Jack McClinton (Miami), DaJuan Summers (Georgetown), and Malcolm Delaney (Virginia Tech) are just some of the many local players who did not attend Maryland. These players, in most cases, were not even recruited by Williams and Maryland.

Donte Greene, who always dreamed of going to Maryland, said this as the reason he went to Syracuse: “When I looked in the stands at my high school games, I saw head coaches from all the schools except Maryland. They sent their assistant coach.”

Recruiting is the most important thing in college sports, and if Williams slacks in this department, the program will never rebound from it. If you cannot recruit, it does not matter how great of a coach you are; you will not win many basketball games.

Losing recruits to UConn and Syracuse is understandable, but losing recruits to the likes of Miami and Virginia Tech is unacceptable for a program like Maryland.

Gary Williams likes to recruit the unheralded, four-year type of player and tends to shy away from the McDonald's All-American. Players like Will Thomas and Jai Lewis both went to high school in Maryland and got little attention from the “big schools.” Both ended up at George Mason and led them to the Final Four, making Terps fans regret Williams not recruiting them


Posted by: cm88 | February 23, 2011 6:10 PM | Report abuse

See above...Wow, kind of sounds like the same thing Witt said, but I guess Gary doesnt want him if he is sending Bino out a ton to go recruit him???? ummmm that makes sense.

Come on guys, wake up you really arent that stupid to believe the garylover hype.

Year after year, same story, but I guess they are all lying.

Posted by: cm88 | February 23, 2011 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Yes, we are going to the ACC tourney. Go every year, come hell or high water. If we get knocked out early, we sell our tickets to the dukies and tar heels and usually recover the cost of the ticket package. I am sick and tired of going to Carolina for the tournament. Charlotte is ok, but Greensboro is the pits.

Posted by: majackmom | February 23, 2011 6:20 PM | Report abuse

And another thing since so many posters have gone off topic. Before you critize Gary about his recruiting, you might consider that unlike us, Gary knows about the academic qualifications of potential recruits. Maybe these kids can't get in to UMD. Or if they are granted a waiver, they aren't likely to remain eligible. Why waste the time?

Posted by: majackmom | February 23, 2011 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Before you tout MD or Gary's tough academic qualifications or Garys deep knowledge of those, please remember, this is the same Gary with the lowest graduation rate in the country :)

Posted by: cm88 | February 23, 2011 7:06 PM | Report abuse

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