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Posted at 6:54 AM ET, 03/ 1/2011

Stoglin’s profile rises with second ACC Rookie of Week honor

By Liz Clarke

Miami Coach Frank Haith has long respected Maryland’s ability to score in transition, as well as its ability to force turnovers with its press defense.

But heading into the Hurricanes’ meeting with the Terps Wednesday at Miami, Haith has a new concern: Maryland’s freshman point guard Terrell Stoglin, who was named ACC Rookie of the Week for a second consecutive week.

Stoglin scored more points than any Terp this season, 28, in Maryland’s 87-76 defeat at North Carolina Sunday. Combined with his 17 points in the Terps’ 78-62 victory over Florida State, the 6-1 Stoglin averaged 22.5 points, along with 3.5 assists, last week.

“They’re averaging close to 80 points per game in league play,” Haith notes of the Terps. “A lot of that has to do with Stoglin and players like Jordan Williams, [Dino] Gregory, [Cliff] Tucker and [Sean] Mosley. And when you think of fast-break basketball, the first team you think about is North Carolina. But I think Maryland isn’t far behind them in terms of how fast they get the ball up the court.”

According to Maryland Coach Gary Williams, Stoglin’s emergence is the product of hard work and a period of adjustment from his days as the leading scorer of his Tucson, Ariz., high school, where he had nominal ball-handling responsibilities. As Stoglin has gained confidence in the more traditional duties of point guard—running the offense, getting his teammates involved in the offense—his ability to score is coming back, the coach said.

“He has certainly grabbed the opportunity as he sees opportunities,” Coach Williams said. “He has gotten better in terms of knowing when to go and when to pull up.”

Maryland (18-11, 7-7) is tied for sixth in the ACC standings with Boston College; Miami (17-12, 5-9) is in a three-way tie with North Carolina State for eighth.

By Liz Clarke  | March 1, 2011; 6:54 AM ET
Categories:  Gary Williams, Men's basketball  | Tags:  Maryland basketball, Miami basketball, Terrell Stoglin  
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Terrell is tough minded. With a little inside help and the addition of an outside scoring he will be a break away guard over the next three years. There are still a lot of pieces to be found and glued together to make the Terps an exciting team with a consistent winner. You don't have to have Kevin Durant to win though it helps. But plenty of teams have their superstars who weren't necessarily recruited like a Sullinger, Barnes or Knight/Jones. Despite a recent fall from grace Nova consistently produces a three guard system. Pitt penetrates, shoots from outside and dominates the back boards. Cuse is usually well rounded. Looking at Purdue with Moore and Johnson it is obvious what the Terps need. Matt Painter wasn't shining his buff when he came over as head coach. And Georgetown seems to have an excellent connection with the DC area prep schools. Stop making excuses for this team, shining a light on 1995-2002. Sure that's great. No one will deny it. But recruiting is a new world for CP. The money today has changed this game. It won't be like it was twenty years ago. If MD doesn't adapt faster it will be vying for more and more players that mid majors look for. Just check out whom MD competes with in recruiting according to ESPN. And then compare who the big names go to. It's obvious the AD has to advance the careers of some people to stay afloat. Every fan is tired of hacking out barbs pro and con.

Posted by: KraftPaper | March 1, 2011 7:20 AM | Report abuse

Stoglin is like Ty Lawson only with a better shooting touch. With all the criticism of Gary William's recruiting he has pulled in arguably the top freshmen in this year's ACC class. Stoglin is the real deal and Gary is going to give him the green light from here on out to fire away at his own discretion. Sure he takes some ill advised shots but his field goal percentage is pretty good over the last 10 games and you take the good with the bad (mostly good now).

This year is a rebuilding year with the younger players taking over from the older players and the Teps have stumbled this year mostly in the early part of the season. If the Terps were playing like they are now at the start of the season we would be in the big dance. Call it growing pains, call it what you want but I will take this group of players playing like they are now.

Next year's incoming freshmen look promising and I see this team going places if not this year then the next 3 or 4 years. Stoglin is now challenging Jordan Williams for top attention by opposing defenses. None of the freshmen players over the last decade have demanded that kind of attention from our opponents. Stoglin is a special player and one that will take our Terps to the upper echelon of competition. I can't speak for the students but you won't catch me missing any games over the next several years. I am excited over the possibilities.

Posted by: torope | March 1, 2011 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Goergetown & Villanova are catholic schools and thus can recruit VERY easily in the WCAC.

Maryland recruits well, but remember this, Gary is not going to kiss ass of kids, because he is going to coach them.

MD recruiting has been fine let alone one miss a year. The last few years Gary has missed on either a scoring guard or big man. The last two years it looks like he got his scoring guard and big man, as well as a few other guys who play better as freshman than do his seniors. Gary has been recruiting well again for 3 years, problem is recruiting failures of 4 years ago are hurting now.

Posted by: khornbeak | March 1, 2011 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Looks to me like Gary recruits some pretty good kids

Posted by: TerpfanMA | March 1, 2011 9:17 AM | Report abuse

He is light years ahead of where he was earlier in the season. He is likely the most improved player in the ACC over the course of this year. Just another testament to Gary's ability to recruit coachable players and then to coach 'em up.

Posted by: Barno1 | March 1, 2011 10:18 AM | Report abuse

I thought Gary couldn't recruit. I guess you can't believe everything on the Internet these days.

Posted by: Section505203 | March 1, 2011 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Well, he was a 3 star recruit...and everyone knows that means he isn't going to be good. You see, those high school rankings are very scientific and all. At least that what CM88 tells us. Also, according to CM88, Stoglin will never be that good because he didn't grow up playing ball in the Maryland area. He thinks Gary shouldn't recruit players like Stoglin and Jordan Williams, because those guys didn't come from this area. Thankfully tho, Gary doesn't discriminate on the basis of where you grew up playing ball.

Posted by: Barno1 | March 1, 2011 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Please point to where I said any of that you dbag?

Would I rather have a player coming in that is like K Irving over Stoglin, absolutely!!! Not even a logical question.

Am I happy that Stoglin turned out to be good, so far, YES!

I love how you make up shiet because you lose ever single debate. Btw, smart guys, how is Parker doing, how is Prankey doing, how is Weijs doing, how about Tucker, Bowie, Mosley????

So 1 or 2 recruits out of 6 I just mentioned and now GARY again it doing an incredible job? Wow, you guys are just some open minded and logical kids arent ya :) hahaaha, you guys have no common sense and just keep losing arguments pretty funny!

How about that last argument where you said according to the RPI, MD is a Top 10 school over the past 10 years BArno, oh wait according to simple Math, they are 41,,,great job recruiting and coaching GARY, we are averaging 41st in the Nation program with all your great recruiting and coaching,,,awesome!!!

You are smart MD fans alrighty :) sad!

Posted by: cm88 | March 1, 2011 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Come on, we all know that until GW recruits big, gay twins like Duke, we'll continue to be a has-been.

Posted by: SirPelleas | March 1, 2011 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Here, lets go see who Gary has recruited since winning a Nat Champ and see how he has been doing?

Travis Garrison
John Gilchrist
Chris McCray
Nik Cander Med
Jamar Smith

All 4 star recruits, how did that class do??? FAIL...GARY Williams!

Mike Jones
Will Bowers
DJ Strawberry

All 4 Star recruits, never went past 2nd round NCAA's, Mike Jones failed to live up to expectations. Hassan Transfer. Will Bowers, Waste. Ebene and Strawberry did very well, 2 out of 5....looks like a FAIL again!

For a bunch of 4 Star recruits, where is Garys development/coaching in those 2 loaded classes???? Either he is a bad coach or recruiter,,,you pick experts???

2005...James Gist, Sterling...James did well, no superstar but solid,,,lets give Gary a Passing grade.

2006...Grevis, Landon, Eric Hayes, Burney,,,Never went past the 2nd round of NCAA, No ACC titles, NIT 2 times,,,but since GV did great individually, guess you have to give Gary a PASS grade, since you guys love individual over team awards! sad!

2007..Braxton Dupree, Bowie, Tucker,Dino, Shane Walker....several transfers by bigs, and a bunch of under achievers(decent job by Dino this year.) Big Fail by Gary!

2008...Sean Mosley, Tyreke Evens, Gus I even need to write it,,HUGE FAIL!!!!

2009... Jordan, Padgett...Jordan was a great get, Padgett looks useless...pass or fail...guess you could go either way, but I am going Pass because of Jordan looking great.

2010...big class, half look very good, half look like nothing so far...early to judge, but give him a pass.

That looks like 4 failing classes and 4 passing with something still to be seen.

For a TOP basketball program, 4 failing classes since the Nat Championship, looks pretty weak, especially when I am giving passing grades to classes that never won anything, pretty sad recruiting by Gary!

Posted by: cm88 | March 1, 2011 11:42 AM | Report abuse

"How about that last argument where you said according to the RPI, MD is a Top 10 school over the past 10 years BArno, oh wait according to simple Math, they are 41"

Ok, we all already know that CM88 is a complete idiot. That much is established. But even I am a little surprised at how far his stupidity goes. Let's look at the above comment, where he thinks averaging the 41st in RPI over 10 years means you are the 41st ranked program. He calls this "simple math." I suppose in this guy's simple brain, there is a team out there that has "averaged" the a #1 RPI over the last 10 years, a team that has averaged #2 RPI, a team that has averaged the #3 RPI etc etc all the way up to MD's #41 average... baaahahahah ahahahahahahah hahaha ahah! Seriously, he really believes that's how it works. It's just "simple math."

Duke, which has by far the best RPI over 10 years, is nowhere near averaging a #1 RPI. North Carolina, which has 2 NCAA titles this decade, isn't even "averaging" a top 20 RPI, yet I would imagine their average RPI still ranks among the best 10 teams in the country over the last decade.

Hard to believe there is someone with a college degree who can't understand something so simple.

Posted by: Barno1 | March 1, 2011 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Aloha, please CM88 tell me a little about yourself.
Political Affiliation.

You are way too critical of Gary Williams. the # 1 ingredient for SUCCESS is to have a BURNING DESIRE. It is not his fault if the players he has recruited do not posses this.
Gold Oz

Posted by: loveme1 | March 1, 2011 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Barno, but you are the idiot that claimed we are a Top 10 program during the RPI discussion, when none of the RPI numbers support your argument,,,but I am sure you can come up with some stat/logical point that supports your Top 10 or even Top 20 arguement....ok go ahead now....I will wait.... :)

Posted by: cm88 | March 1, 2011 12:11 PM | Report abuse

CM88 actually believes MD is the 41st best program of the decade. Well, according to these rankings, MD is easily one of the top 10 programs of the decade:

Here's espn's breakdown of best teams of the past decade, it has MD ranked 9th.

Here's someone else's breakdown of the decade. It has MD ranked the 8th best program of the 2000s.

Oh look, here's another breakdown of best programs of the decade. This one has MD ranked 7th.

But nah, since our average RPI is 41, that must mean there are 40 teams with higher average RPIs. BAAAAAAAAahahahahahahahahah

Posted by: Barno1 | March 1, 2011 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Lets see, Top 41 program,,,would probably be a team that gets into the NCAAs most years, but also slips into the NIT's, probably losses in the first or second round of the NCAAs. Wow, that math average sounds like some team/program we know over the past 8 years...mmmmmmm???? Guess I am a complete idiot Barno, you are sooo freaking on it! Whats are RPI this year, are we on the bubble or definitely going to the NCAA? Yeah, those RPI's mean nothing,,,you are such an idiot!

Posted by: cm88 | March 1, 2011 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Yes, a top 10 team over the past decade would be a team that advances past the 2nd round of NCAA's, because that would make them a sweet 16 or Top 16 school, atleast 1 or 2 times in the past 8 years, right? and they wouldnt go to multiple NITs in that decade, because a team like that would most likely be a Top 40-70 team. Yes you are right RPI is wayyyyy off base, moron!

Posted by: cm88 | March 1, 2011 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Look at how he changed the argument around. I think he finally realized an average RPI of 41 does not mean there are 40 teams with average RPIs better than yours over the decade. So now he changes his argument about what constitutes a top 41 program and starts talking about the NIT and 2nd round losses. Keep detracting cm88, no one's noticing at all...

Posted by: Barno1 | March 1, 2011 12:21 PM | Report abuse

How many teams have been to 2 final fours, won 2 conference reg season titles, won a conference tournament, and won an NCAA championship this decade? Just curious...are there 40 teams that have done this? Lol

Posted by: Barno1 | March 1, 2011 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Keep looking back 10 years ago BARNO, nothing like living in the past loser, thats what losers do, remember what I did years ago. Hey, the Skins won back in the 80's arent they a top organization/team.

Sorry loser, I want more for my team then a bunch of NIT's and 2nd round losses in the past 8 years, the program is going downhill since our winning program of 10 years ago, sorry you dont see that, loser :)

Posted by: cm88 | March 1, 2011 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Some of the people commenting here need to grow up. Being a fan means supporting your team thru good times and bad. Gary Williams will be in the Hall of Fame, and still is one of the best coaches out there. He's not perfect. His graduation rates suck, but last year his team was ACC Co-Champion. The team right now is much better than it was early on. Most of them are kids. Let's see how the ACC tournament plays out. You might be surprised. And if they don't get to the NCAA, next year they will.

Posted by: tojo45 | March 1, 2011 12:32 PM | Report abuse

cm88, keep detracting from your original idiotic claim that having an average RPI of 41 over 10 years means there are 40 teams with better average RPIs. Keep detracting from that point, since you now realize how absolutely idiotic that was. Keep changing the subject, no one is noticing...

Posted by: Barno1 | March 1, 2011 12:37 PM | Report abuse

But, but, but, if it wasn't for some unlucky buzzer beaters Gary and the Terps would've been playing in the NCAA Title game every year for the past 1/2 decade.

Go Terps...............

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 1, 2011 1:00 PM | Report abuse

And there you have it, Terp fans! At last.

The recruiting failures of our fair coach have been made manifest.

The next step is for the AD to step up and do what must be done: recruit Williams' critics on this board to take our boys to the next level, to the highest tier!

But first, Williams' critics must pony up and put their monies where their mouths are. Shouldn't be hard to do since we know you are highly successful dudes who can afford to offer continuous, trenchant criticisms.

Somewhere in the region of four to six million bucks should provide the A.D. with enough wherewithal to displace coach Williams and buy influence among the recruiting arbiters for you. Then your knowledgeable and skilled selves can take the reins and lead our brave lads to the top ten every year.

It's as easy at that! So get right on it, guys. You know (and we know) who you are.

Posted by: AncientTerp | March 1, 2011 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Love the old argument of "If it's so easy you do it"

Hahahaha, nice strawman.

That said I could lead the Terps to an undefeated season, every season, while recruiting all the top-notch talent right from around the DC/MD/VA/Bmore region.

Not like it's hard.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 1, 2011 1:29 PM | Report abuse

CM...dude, give it a just sound bitter.....first you rag on GW for lousy recruiting and then you follow it up with a list of 4 star recruits he which is it now...are you stomping your feet because he cant recruit or are you now saying he cant coach or both????

Posted by: TerpfanMA | March 1, 2011 1:32 PM | Report abuse


Your hatred of everything Gary is blinding you. Barno just gave you three respected websites that list UMD as a top 10 program over a 10 year period, from the late 90's until the late 2000's and you still continue the hate.

Gary Williams and Maryland basketball are well regarded, can't you see that?

I understand Poopy not getting it because, he's drug taking fool but, what is your excuse?
Were you dropped on your head as a kid? Are you a former NFL player that has had to many concussions?
Do you do drugs with Poopy?

What gives?

Posted by: Section505203 | March 1, 2011 1:32 PM | Report abuse

If UMD is/was a top-10 program how come they've only been able to get to the 2nd round of the NCAAs or get trips to the NIT?

Is it because Gary can't coach his "stud" recruits? C'mon FOG's we want answers.

And who says marijuana is a drug?

It's safer than all the prescription crap you gotta take, section50303030, what for your high blood pressure, high cholesterol, crippling depression, and of course your limp penis.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 1, 2011 1:40 PM | Report abuse

When in doubt, hazy brained Poopy throws out the grade school penis jokes.

Let's take a look at what we all know about Poopy McPoop.

-He often talks about doing drugs.
-He stalks Barno over several different WP blogs
-He changed is moniker to continue his stalking of Barno and to make fun of Barno's dead dog after he was banned from WP blogs.
-He is an O's fan but, is constantly on the Nationals Journal in an effort to get under Nats fans skin.
-He claims to be a UMD alum but, does not ever seem to have anything good to say about his alma mater's sports teams.
-Did I mention he brags about drug his use?

Sounds like a person of little quality.

Posted by: Section505203 | March 1, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Hey the UMD soccer team actually lives up to the hype.

And boy if I didn't love watching some Terps baseball games after a workout at the Rec Center.


That's 2 nice things. Suck on that.

Now, time for drugs, drugs, drugs, and drugs.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 1, 2011 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and limp penis section540505050, I didn't know you were the end-all, be-all on telling people what is okay and not okay to make jokes about.

I got a few 9/11 jokes, wanna hear 'em?

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 1, 2011 2:07 PM | Report abuse

The only reason someone can see this as a top 10 program is what was done 10 years ago, after this year and next, we will have 10 years, since we are at 8 right now, with all the NIT's and 2nd round losses, anyone that thinks this is a Top 10 program is a complete moron. Even now, there is no way this program is operating or succeeding at a Top 10 level, but you can keep believing the dream, its just not true.

Yes, I do not like Gary, its hard to like a guy that curses at his kids none stop, is known to be an alcoholic around campus, fights to get the NCAA expanded so his laziness can be awarded, and is too cocky/lazy to go recruit kids i.e. go meet them.

Sorry, but I want more for my team, not this lazy old man, I give him credit many times for his help in rebuilding our program, but again, we are going the wrong way, sorry you guys just dont see that. The 41 ranking is a very good indicator of how we really are operating right now, if you think we are operating as a Top 10 program, then you must be smoking something that makes you blind.

I went through and mentioned all the 3 and 4 star "great" recruits we got, i.e. Gary got, so if you think they where great classes, then again, you have a different goal/mindset for a top program than I do. Where is just 1 five star recruit, dominant recruit, i.e. stud/going to the NBA/cant miss recruit???? We cant get just one, really?

Posted by: cm88 | March 1, 2011 2:15 PM | Report abuse

CM this at last is what it all boils down just dont like Gary as a dont like his style or his personality and you therefore hyper focus on anything related to basketball to justify your case

It sounds to me like even if we won another NC, it wouldnt change your mind, it would just keep you quiet for a little while...then when the next season rolled around and we lose a game we should win or some player fouled out or missed a key shot, you would be right back at it again....true?

Posted by: TerpfanMA | March 1, 2011 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Certified Moron88 is at it again, inventing comments that no one said in his very weak attempts to knock those invented comments down. Did anyone actually say this is a top 10 program right now? Of course not. What several of us have said is over the last decade, this has been a top 10 program, and that was backed up by several respected publications' rankings of the decade. So instead of trying to find 10 better programs over the last decades, Certified Moron88 tries to change the debate into whether we are a top 10 program right at this very moment. This CM88 guy...he can't help it, he's just not smart.

Posted by: Barno1 | March 1, 2011 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and limp penis section540505050, I didn't know you were the end-all, be-all on telling people what is okay and not okay to make jokes about.

I got a few 9/11 jokes, wanna hear 'em?

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 1, 2011 2:07 PM

Yet another prime example of what a pathetic loser you are Poopy. Hang in there, maybe the light will go on for you someday.

Posted by: Section505203 | March 1, 2011 2:29 PM | Report abuse

CM88 is right on target. Love the Gary lovers, not really. Everything we did in the 2000s was about our back to back final 4s. It's all been down hill since and we're staring 4 misses out of 7 in the face right now. Please find another big time program with such a record? I'm getting to old to even remember the last time we were ranked in the top 10 for a single week or made the Sweet 16. Both are approaching 10 years. Gary has seemingly stocked up the fridge a little more. I think this would be a classy move on his part to head out after this season and hand the new coach something to work with in their first season.

Posted by: restonhoops | March 1, 2011 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Stoglin is the top freshmen in the ACC. The two other top freshmen, Irving and Barnes, are one and done. We ended up with the freshmen with the most impact. We have last years top impact newcomer and a shot at getting next year as well. We're back.

Posted by: torope | March 1, 2011 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Well lets see, he did give up a 20 pt lead to Duke and a 10 pt lead in 1 minute, that didnt really convince me to his brillance as a coach. And, when Juan Dixon had to go in his office tell him to back off i.e. shut the F up so they could play more relaxed, then they ended up winning the nat champ that year, it again shows that a player had to tell him how to treat the team so they could win. Again, I didnt say a word for years, because he did win, but now he is doing a bad job, if you dont see that, that is fine Terpfan, but I am surprised a Terpfan would be ok with 8 years of downhill progression.

Yes, again I was inventing stuff, you got me Barno! moron!

Ok Garylovers, be happy that we may get into the NIT this year, Gary is doing a great job, I am wrong you are right! 8 years of bad recruiting, NITs and 2nd round losses in the NCAAs,,,you guys are right, I am the moron :)

Posted by: cm88 | March 1, 2011 2:40 PM | Report abuse

We're back.

Posted by: torope | March 1, 2011 2:38 PM

If being 18-11 and 7-7 in ACC means "we're back" then we're in more trouble than most think.

As for section0302020200202, he's gotta be off his prescription drugs with how much he is stalking me on here and other blogs. Back on your meds buddy. C'mon it's better for you, plus your bf needs some loving occasionally.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 1, 2011 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Thx Restonhoops, btw did you grow up in Reston i.e. South lakes HS? I got to watch Grant Hill kill us in HS as a soph. He was sick, too bad his injuries got him in the pros.

Posted by: cm88 | March 1, 2011 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Kudos to Poopy for poking fun at the Nats. As a life long Os fan, the only reason I have visited the Nats board was to see Poopy in action.

cm88 - my much kinder, gentler colleague, hgr has pointed out to me that the points you make are no different than points petecard has made in the past. And he pointed out you are in rare form today as he is keeping track of this board from Amsterdam. Seriously, hgr is in Amsterdam reading the f-ing TI. He such a creature of habit. I wonder what Poopy would be up to if he was in Amsterdam. Then again, that stuff is practically legal in CA.

You want better for the program, I understand. But I respectfully disagree with you that door number two would provide a better solution than GW. In fact, I think the likelihood of any other coach delivering anywhere what GW has done at MD at far less than 1%.

Win four more games and you are dancing, and no one wants to play GW at the dance.

And please watch the accusations about the Plumlee twins. Its ok to accuse Christian Laettner (a 2x NC btw) of such things but all the Plumlees (merely 1x NCs) have done is improve their games under Saint Mike K.

btw - did anyone notice Tahj Holden at the 2001 FF tribute? wtf happened?

Posted by: Duke-Rulz-1995 | March 1, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Hey, calm down cm88. Playing against the likes of IUPUI in the NIT or getting bounced, with terribly unfortunate "luck" shos and buzzer beaters in the 2nd round, is what some Terp fans seem to live for.

Probably same people who don't mind their kids bringing home a bunch of C- on their report card.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 1, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Ah, Duke-rulz, gotta love a fellow O's fan. Those clowns over on Natinals Journal are a kooky bunch.

As for Amsterdamn, talk about overrated. Is HGR gonna hit up the Red Light District?

Plus, now, thanks to prop 15 I can get the same quality "meds" at a pretty cheap price without having to fly 1/2 way across the world.

Uh oh, we know section1030300202 doesn't like all this "drug" talk although he's on his way to refilling his prescriptions for his blood pressure meds, cholesterol meds, depression meds, and of course his limp-wang meds.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 1, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

To see what a knucklehead Poopy is check out the comments section of the Nats Journal today.

And this is just your average day with Poopy on Nats Journal. You're p*ssing your life away smoking that Sh*t and surfing the Net, Poopy.

You're a waste of a good Social Security #.

Posted by: Section505203 | March 1, 2011 2:53 PM | Report abuse

I have to admit, if I was in Amsterdam, I would be eatting the heck out of some brownies :) and not reading what a bunch of tools like us are writing about hahaha!

As I have said before, I dont want to get a worse coach and hopefully when Gary does step down we wont. But I also dont want to sit around and wait another 2,3,4 years and watch this guy be lazy on the recruiting trail and berate kids so they play tight and keep looking over their shoulders. With Gary as coach, I have learned over the years, no lead is safe.

I played college ball and when we had a coach that yelled all the time, everyone played tight, when you have someone that teaches and is critical at the right times, you play more relaxed and smarter/better. Even that moron Lavin (sp?) picked up on this when watching Gary years ago.

Sorry, just not a fan of the Bobby Knight coaching school that Gary is a member of.

Posted by: cm88 | March 1, 2011 2:56 PM | Report abuse

MD can easily pick up a younger hungrier coach. Look at Arizona before their lost weekenend in LA Sean Miller had them back in the Top 10 lickity split. The ACC is historically a great conference that just sucks right now. Any decent coach would see MD as a place where you could quickly get a firm grasp on the 3rd slot in the conference annual top 25 rankings and trips to the tourney. From Baltimore to Tidewater we are in the best place in the country to recruit talent. We have a great facility and fanbase. I think we might be able to get the coaches of either Pitt or Nova, but Dixon maybe older than we want. Brad Stephens would be my choice right now. Look at a conference like the Big East MD would be the 12th best team in that conference this year. Jay Wright has a good thing going in NOVA but the Beast is a bloodbath every year. I think the easy sailing in the ACC would be appealing.

Posted by: restonhoops | March 1, 2011 3:08 PM | Report abuse

btw - did anyone notice Tahj Holden at the 2001 FF tribute? wtf happened?

Posted by: Duke-Rulz-1995 | March 1, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Dude blew up. He's pushing 400 lbs easy.

Posted by: Barno1 | March 1, 2011 3:09 PM | Report abuse

CM 88...if you played in college, why arent you a fan of your team? Why on here ragging on coach whose personality you dont like.

Gary is not like Bobby Knight and your comment to that effect is just ignorant.....anyone on here ever seen Gary throw a chair on the court at a game? Choke a player?

If you dont like him as a person and you didnt go to school at UMD, why are you wasting your time on this board? Seriously

Posted by: TerpfanMA | March 1, 2011 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I played college ball and when we had a coach that yelled all the time, everyone played tight

Posted by: cm88 | March 1, 2011 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Wait a second. CM88 originally claimed he wrestled for Umd (remember, this was when he was "trying" to anonymously intimidate people on the internet and making physical threats like his name is Andray Blatche). Now he's claiming he "played college ball." Well, he certainly didn't get into UMD on an academic scholarship--that much we know from reading his elementary school level writing. So maybe he really was a 2 sport athlete...since that's the only way UMD is letting in someone who is so obviously mentally challenged.

Posted by: Barno1 | March 1, 2011 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Oh that terrible Gary Williams and his "yelling" that must just leave such a bad impression with his players. He's one recent example of a former Terp speaking out about Gary and his yelling:

Greivis... was asked about the worst time Williams ever chewed him out.

"To be honest, I don't even remember," Vasquez said. "I think a lot of kids and recruits and players get that wrong. G-Dub don't yell at nobody. I mean, maybe the assistant coaches every now and then, he goes crazy on the bench, but the man won a championship. The man won an ACC tournament. The man won the regular season. The man got ACC players, first-round picks, first picks of the draft. I mean, he knows what it takes.

"And yeah, he's not gonna praise recruits, he's gonna tell guys 'You want to come to Maryland, because I can make you a player. Just look at Greivis Vasquez. You know, I made him a player.' He can say that. I mean, he never yelled at me. I think one of the reasons I'm here, for that matter, one of the reasons I have a remarkable career is just because he always had my back. He still has my back. You know, he's still in touch with me, he still calls me, we're still close. More than anything, we're friends, and I support everything he does."

Posted by: Barno1 | March 1, 2011 3:18 PM | Report abuse

It is most unseemly for pissants constantly and ineffectively to take down accomplished, highly respected people. Here we may specify a small number of posters to this board who seem to think they enhance their statures by inaccurately and mendaciously attacking Gary Williams or the new AD. These attempts at personal destruction do not reflect well on the writers.

Posted by: AncientTerp | March 1, 2011 3:47 PM | Report abuse

When did I ever say I went to MD? So, you have to have gone to MD to be a fan??? Maybe since my mom took me to watch MD as a small kid, when I lived in Tacoma Park, I became a huge fan watching Albert King/Lennie/, that was tough.

The university I went to sucked at basketball, plus no matter where I went, I always was and will be a MD fan :) When I lived in CA, I found bars that showed the games, so some of us are huge fans, eventhough we didnt attend MD :)

Yes Barno, I wrestled and played soccer in college, Division 1 :) Sorry but some of us got athletic scholarships and then got a very good degree from another school other than MD and now are Directors at a top software company,,,what do you do Barno? Besides rub one off to your Gary poster?

Bobby Knight was famous for berating his players and thinking he was the program or that he was bigger than the program, that was my comparison to Gary, not so ignorant of a comparison now was it Terpfan :)

Posted by: cm88 | March 1, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I'm with cm88, Reston and a few others who are only stating the obvious when they talk about two things: Our record has not been good for the last 7 going, going, almost gone on 8 years. We do not put the talent on the floor to compete with the best or even very good programs. Love Gary, hate him or have no opinion about him. Those two facts are indisputable. And if you think we do have the talent, then simply look at the results. Regular season, conference, SOS, blah, blah, blah. For the last 11 years Maryland has about the 6th best record in the NCAA Tournament, totally fueled by the back-to-back Final Fours. That's great. But in the last 7 there are 38 programs that have better records and if/when we fail to make the tournament this year that rating will fall further. After this year, when we go back 10 years the two Final Fours drop off. Argue all you want about how many years we should go back. For me and many it's just been too long. Now you know I am not saying fire Gary. I am saying that we are living with a program performance that is now mediocre at best. The only way you can like that is by drinking the Kool-aid. I don't think this is what Kevin Anderson had in mind when he set the bar at "greatness."

Posted by: petecard | March 1, 2011 3:54 PM | Report abuse

OMG, Grevis loved Gary??? What? The same Grevis that could put up any shot he wanted, make multiple turnovers, and never was in the Gary Doghouse like Mike Jones or Tucker? Wow, that is shocking that GV loves GW. A kid that over-achieved and got great stats due to a coach and system,,,shocking! The same player that you Barno thinks is a better player that Steve Francis...that is classic!

Posted by: cm88 | March 1, 2011 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Great points Petecard, exactly the point I have been trying to make for months, but unfortunately some just dont get it.

I will add, I respect the job Gary did by helping to turn our program back around after Wade F'd it up, but it seems he has lost something and cant fix it yet, so I think its time to get new blood in. Thats it!

Posted by: cm88 | March 1, 2011 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the past 8 years of mediocrity have turned some of the FOG's just a little bit loopy.

Who knows.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 1, 2011 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Stroglin is not Ty Lawson by a long shot!

Gary is not recruiting ACC caliber talent. If so, MD would not be a perennial bubble team. He has also neglected to recruit a shooter for the past 4-5 years if not longer.

Gary recruiting style is to end up with the bridesmaid and not the bride. While everyone showers the star of the team Gary tends to go for the side kick. Padgett is the case in point. Gary is getting marginal kids that want to play in the ACC (and it's TV package) that Duke or UNC never considered.

Gary has NEVER NEVER EVER won a prime local recruit from Baltimore or DC. just as an example, Gary hasn't signed not one guy from DeMatha literally 5-minutes down the road. Lefty used to have a pipeline from DeMatha. Please don't say Dematha has not produced talent because Quin Cook and Josh Shelby have played there recently. they signed with Duke and Kansas respectively.

The AAU excuse is over used. Kids will go where they can play, and get exposure. They also want a style of play that is conducive or enjoyable. Gary williams personality is not winning him kids. the guy doesn't seem personable to even consider playing for the University. Despite College Park being a much nicer local with 100s more amenities than Manhattan, KANSAS or other locals, Gary can't get kids here. that's just a shame.

Many folks are blaming the world on kevin Anderson, but Gary might be on the block soon too. MD needs its athletics to make money and i don't think Gary is maximizing the potential of the program.

I am an old school MD fan. Like CM88, i did not attend MD. I was accepted out of high school but chose to leave the area. I use to attend Lefty's basketball camps and more as a kid. Gary might be a better coach than Lefty (and Lefty would not accept that), but i assure you lefty would not let a Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Durant, Michael Beasely, ty Lawson, Malcolm Delaney, Jeff Allen, Shonn Green, Kendall Marshall, Kris Joseph, Rodney McGruder at Kansas state and others get out of DC without a fight. I know folks that know these kid or their parents, MD is not even showing up in their final 5 schools. Some even say MD showed interest too late. Gary can keep blaming other things. Lefty built that program and developed a mystique. yes, Gary saved the program but it has no mystique or appeal under him. the national championship doesn't even matter now. MD could easily continue to spiral and drown under him. he's proved us wrong before, and i hope he does again soon!

Posted by: oknow1 | March 1, 2011 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Durant, Michael Beasely, ty Lawson, Malcolm Delaney, Jeff Allen, Shonn Green, Kendall Marshall, Kris Joseph, Rodney McGruder...

And that list goes on and on. Too bad UMD didn't want to make an effort to get any of the guys in their own backyard.

But hey, we got Mike Mardesich and DJ Strawberry. Those guys were 2 of the best players ever to suit up in the NCAA.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 1, 2011 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Holy crap. CM just admitted, for the very first time, that he did NOT attend UMD and has no affiliation whatsoever to the university. The same with Restonhoops, he too never attend UMD. How shocking that these are the 2 biggest anti-Gary guys on this blog, they have no loyalty to a coach that did so much for the university that they never attended.

Good lord, this explains so much about Cm88 and Restonhoops. If only they had said that up front, we'd have dismissed their comments from the beginning.

Posted by: Barno1 | March 1, 2011 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Gary is not recruiting ACC caliber talent:
-We won the ACC regular season as recently as last year, how?

Gary has NEVER NEVER EVER won a prime local recruit from Baltimore or DC.
- Keith Booth and Nick Faust from Baltimore
-Travis Garrison from DeMatha

Why is it so important that kids be local? You yourself decided to travel away for College and a lot of kids want that too..sometimes kids want to stay close to home and sometimes they dont. Who cares if Stogs is from AZ and JW is from CT

Why dont you go puke all over Calhouns UConn board for not getting JW?

Posted by: TerpfanMA | March 1, 2011 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Travis Garrison is one of your "big" examples. Haha, I think that kinda proves the point for the Gary-can't-get-guys-in-his-backyard crowd.

That all said, I've done some deep soul-searching and have realize I've been incredibly shortsighted and wrong.

The real reason why the Terps have been average (at best) for the past 8 years is not because of Gary Williams, or recruits, or Anderson/Yow, or anyone else at UMD.

The blame lies solely with THE LIBERAL MEDIA!!!!!!!!!!!!! Those darn LIBERAL MEDIA types are to blame!!!!!!!! Grrrr how I loathe them. Yeah that's it.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 1, 2011 6:25 PM | Report abuse

I like though, how Barno doesn't take issue with those on here who admit to not going to UMD but side with the Gary-can-do-no-wrong crowd. It's fine if you root for the Terps and didn't go to UMD, just as long as you don't criticize the program.

No hypocrisy there.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 1, 2011 6:27 PM | Report abuse

the only point it proves is that oknow1 should change is name to ZeroKnowanything

and look poop...I am not trying to claim that Travis Garrison exceeded or even met expectations but he was a BIG TIME recruit from DeMatha and one that came top of mind without having to waste time looking anything up online

Posted by: TerpfanMA | March 1, 2011 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Take a knee, ladies......

Posted by: iamasofaking | March 1, 2011 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Holy Bat-sheet Robin what is going on here? Well Batman there seems to be this crazed idiot named cm88 who CLAIMS to be a MD ALUM,has the utter gall to refer to the UM Terps basketball team as us and well generally has issues that would do science well if given the chance to study his unorthodox,yet simple little mind. CM DO NOT EVER REFER TO Maryland basketball as us,you are not part of us,not close,not even in a Glenn Beck crazy as all get out kind of way.If you must trash this site with your ridiculous criticisms,foolish ASS-certations,then you have that right until you get banned which likely will be soon along with senior poop who foolishly speaks of his private life,love of penis' and drug use,until then then most of us will skip your BS,and move on,yet once and once only you will get a refrain from me and that is again,NEVER EVER REFER to YOUR LYING BS,as US when talking about OUR Maryland basketball team,true fans live with their teams through thick and thin,are not fair weather fans,understand the game and no damn well that Gary Williams and the Maryland basketball program are one of the best and most respected in the country,you are not one of us,you are not a Maryland fan,what you are is a very sick individual that is in dire need of professional help,I hope for your sake,and societies sake you seek that help soon,it may not help much,but hopefully they put you on a legal,prescribed regimen of pharmaceuticals that will keep society safe from your hatred,anger, and foolish lies. Good luck in your treatment you and the society at large will need it.GO TERPS>GREAT JOB as always GARY and young Stoglin,keep it up,we are damn proud of you young man,this years Jordan Williams,nothing to be surprised about for those of us who believe in Gary and know what he can do,and will do.

Posted by: mfowler1 | March 1, 2011 8:16 PM | Report abuse

I love it when self-righteous d0uchers get up on their soap box and tell others how to and how to not be a fan.

You do know though, mr. man, that batman and robin lovers?

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 1, 2011 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Looks like someone (who had been doing so well lately on the blogs) has gone off his meds.

Must be Glenn Beck and Fox News' fault.

Posted by: Barno1 | March 1, 2011 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Stay classy with the personal attacks.

Can't recall myself leveling anyone with personal insults lately.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 1, 2011 9:09 PM | Report abuse

The tourney push begins tomorrow night folks. It's on. They will beat Miami tomorrow and UVA on Saturday and go into the ACC Tourney ready to do some damage. Book it.

F the Haters. GO TERPS!!!!

Posted by: Section505203 | March 1, 2011 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Poop, you're right. Sorry about the meds comment. You had been coming at me pretty hard lately and I guess I got carried away. Either way, I'll continue to respect the great Barno-McPoop truce of 2011 if you will.

Let's try to focus on what we have in common Poop:

Posted by: Barno1 | March 1, 2011 10:47 PM | Report abuse

You guys make me laugh, you have to have gone to MD to now be a fan. OK, that makes tons of sense. Ok little boys, go back to playing in your sandbox, us haters will sit back and watch Gary work his magic and see what happens. Hope he can prove us idiots wrong :)

Posted by: cm88 | March 1, 2011 10:53 PM | Report abuse

"Stoglin is now challenging Jordan Williams for top attention by opposing defenses."
-->Completely disagree with this. If you successfully do a hack-a-JW, you will probably beat the Terps. He's the only impactful big man. Stoglin's presence isn't as strong. If he got the ball in the half-court as much as JW, maybe defenses would give him more attention.

Posted by: break20 | March 2, 2011 1:06 AM | Report abuse

"Just another testament to Gary's ability to recruit coachable players and then to coach 'em up.

Posted by: Barno1 | March 1, 2011 10:18 AM"
-->Ok Gary can "recruit" to an extent, but can get us past the second round of the NCAAs, something which he can't seem to do since the year after the national championship?

I'm looking forward to your response, Barno!

Posted by: break20 | March 2, 2011 1:19 AM | Report abuse

->Ok Gary can "recruit" to an extent, but can get us past the second round of the NCAAs, something which he can't seem to do since the year after the national championship?

I'm looking forward to your response, Barno!

Posted by: break20 | March 2, 2011 1:19 AM | Report abuse

Well, in 2003, we came one basket shy of the Elite 8. In 2004, we came one basket shy of the sweet 16. Same with 2007 and 2010. One basket. So yes, I think Gary can get us back there. I remember all the folks like Break20, Restonhoops, CM88 back in the day (all of whom have admitted they never attended UMD) used to say Gary can't get past the sweet 16 and we need a new coach who can. They demanded Debbie Yow fire Gary back in 1999, back in 2000, and certainly back in 2001 when we lost 5 of 6 games at one point (where did we end up that season? Oh that's right, the Final Four). There were letters the editor of the Diamondback calling for Gary's head back then. But a funny thing happened on the way to those prophecies of doom and gloom: Gary took us to back to back Final Fours and won a national title. The Gary-haters struggled to explain. Thank God Yow didn't listen to these so-called Maryland fans back then...and thankfully, Kevin Anderson has no choice but to keep Gary.

Posted by: Barno1 | March 2, 2011 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Looks like we have the Barno and CM88 show here. Can you guys not revert to name-calling? You both feel very passionate, but the insults are just very childish.

Posted by: break20 | March 2, 2011 11:19 AM | Report abuse

"Stay classy with the personal attacks.

Can't recall myself leveling anyone with personal insults lately.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 1, 2011 9:09 PM"
-->Poop, I'm an O's fan as well but your attacks on Nats Journal (or as you would say Natinals Journal) are classic.

Posted by: break20 | March 2, 2011 11:28 AM | Report abuse

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