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Posted at 12:27 PM ET, 03/ 3/2011

Talkin' Terps: Lack of senior leadership?

By Matt Bonesteel

Good afternoon.

After Thursday night's dispiriting 80-66 loss to Miami, in which Maryland was competitive for a total of about 10 minutes, Terrapins fan Kevin Permison had this to say on Twitter:

@TerpsInsider OMG This has to be the worst senior leadership I have seen on a G Williams coached team. Unbelievable. Totally disgusting.less than a minute ago via web

Do you think senior leadership is the issue with Maryland this season? Or is it a matter of the collective talent of the seniors? Or is it coaching?

The floor is yours.

By Matt Bonesteel  | March 3, 2011; 12:27 PM ET
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We've been talking about this issue ALL YEAR. How is it anything but a tired subject now? No senior or junior leadership. This is an inept group. Another lost year in the NCAA Tournament. Pathetic.

Oh ya, and Barno's said last night's win for the Terps was the lock of the year. Hope the boys at least enjoyed South Beach or Coconut Grove...

Posted by: petecard | March 3, 2011 12:34 PM | Report abuse

What I'd like is for someone (most likely one of the FOG's) to tell me why either Mosely or Tucker should even see the court again?


Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 3, 2011 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Very disappointing loss. I knew that we have struggled down there in the past and it would be tough but, I really thought these guys would pull it out, knowing they absolutely had to have this one.

Bowie, Tucker and Mosely have not stepped up like one would have hoped after the departure of Vasquez and Hayes. I think at this point they need to beat UVA and make a run to the final in the ACC tourney to even have a shot.

The HOG's must be happy today. It's amazing to me how supposed Terp fans seem to almost revel in it when they lose because of their blind hatred for GW.

Posted by: Section505203 | March 3, 2011 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Poop, Tucker I can agree with you on--his time is over here. He blew it this year.

But Mosley was a good player his first 2 years here and this year was a surprise. The guy used to be one of the best defenders in the ACC and even that part of his game seems to be gone. But would anyone really be shocked to see him have a great senior year? I think this year will prove to be the anomaly in Mosley's 4 years here, and he'll get back to playing quality ball next year.

Posted by: Barno1 | March 3, 2011 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Section, sorry but we have been here win or lose because we want a change, stop whining like a girl when you lose and cant rub it in that Gary is so wonderful for beating some weak ACC team.

When will you be a man, and admit Gary is failing all of us true MD fans that want a better program, not a bubble NIT team or a team that goes to the NIT 4 times in the past 8 years.

Keep going back 10 years, but in the past 8 years, Gary is Failing us and this program.

As for the Seniors and Mosley, its the coaches job to develop players/help them grow, etc. He had done none of that with any of the Seniors or Mosley, all where "high" recruits for Gary. So do you blame the kids for having no confidence or consistency, all of them, or do you blame the coach for doing a terrible job, with ALL of them?

Posted by: cm88 | March 3, 2011 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Gary is the probelm. Yes he won a national championship and in no way am I glossing over that. And yes he brought the program out of the doldrums of probation and I am not glossing over that either. But both of those accomplishments are in the past. We paid Gary fairly well for both of them and now it's time to move on. Maryland never has the talent to CONSISTENTLY vie for ACC championships or tournament runs. The Terps have turned into Gonzage. They type of team that will make a run only when they have a very good senior or two on the team. That is not how ACC baskeball is now played.

ACC teams (as well as most top teams in the country) except for MD come to the Balt/DC ares and get the top talent in the country. MD on the other hand wants nothing to do with those so called "one and done" players. Also, we have to realize that MD is the hardest school in the country to get into. Harder than Duke or UNC. We also have to realize that MD is not going to dirty its hands in the AAU cess pool like Coach K, Roy Williams, Jimmy Boeheim, and all those other dirty coaches.

Let's gleefully perch Gary up on a pedestal because he is morally a better man than every other coach in the nation. I know this is competitve college basketball and our school is smack dab in the middle of the most talent rich high school basketball area in the country, but let's applaud Gary for not being able or willing to recuit it.

I wonder if the University of Florida head coach would be able to keep his job if he could not recruit the state of Florida. Can you imagine the U of Texas coach not being able to recruit Texas. It's laughable. Those are two of the top producing football states in the country. But we excuse Gary at every turn for his inability to recruit and it's manifesting itself in our program's ability to win.

Here's to hiring Todd Bozeman.

Posted by: UnFamiliarThought | March 3, 2011 1:57 PM | Report abuse

It's talent, talent, talent!! We're not getting enough four-star recruits, keeping in mind that something less than 50% live up to expectations. I love Gary's diamond-in-the-rough player development history, but I'd rather have more National Championships that be the only one to get there with no McDonald's All-Americans.

Posted by: RITerp | March 3, 2011 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Tucker and Bowie cant even crack the starting lineup and they are seniors. That shows you there right now. They dont even step up to be leaders. Heck, the only reason they are playing because they are upperclassmen. Grevis V was the only reason

Posted by: skinfan2k | March 3, 2011 2:00 PM | Report abuse

One of the best posts I have read in a long time! Thanks!

Posted by: cm88 | March 3, 2011 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Compliment was meant to Unfamiliarthought

Posted by: cm88 | March 3, 2011 2:03 PM | Report abuse

please note that my school cannot recruit in the state of North carolina. We get NO ONE from NC. MD does better in NC than we do. Any of you calling for GW's head are morons. Maybe the new AD should take the opposite approach that he did with the FB program and figure out how he can SUPPORT the BB program to facilitate winning. That is what Duke does (as well as the other top programs).

Don't forget that GW has been fighting upstream for years with the Yow-run AD. That has its repercussions - usually sub-par BB seasons. I'd give him at least three more years before considering replacing him.

And if the NIT ends up being the postseason destination then man up, support your team, and root for them to win the banner.

"Fire Gary"...what a moronic point of view.

Posted by: Duke-Rulz-1995 | March 3, 2011 2:05 PM | Report abuse


I saw your running comentary from during the game last night. There was almost a sense of happiness or glee, if you will, about UMD losing. Maybe it's because you want them to so, you can bloviate about how Gary is the problem and "look mom, I was right, we do suck."

Here's a couple of your gleeful quotes from last night:

uh oh, a Parker siteing, thats not good, Gary is losing his composure, well thats not a shocker. Down 13 at half to MIAMI, good by MD program! Thanks Gary, you are awesome hahaha

Posted by: cm88 | March 2, 2011 7:51 PM

Amazing, Gary has been coaching for how many years, but every year he has no idea how to teach his kids to stop the 3 point shot or to rebound the ball,,,,HOF coach! Sure hope we dont have to face that powerful William and Mary team this year, that would just be ugly like last year, Go Gary!!!

Posted by: cm88 | March 2, 2011 8:33 PM

Posted by: Section505203 | March 3, 2011 2:11 PM | Report abuse

It's talent, talent, talent!! We're not getting enough four-star recruits, keeping in mind that something less than 50% live up to expectations. I love Gary's diamond-in-the-rough player development history, but I'd rather have more National Championships that be the only one to get there with no McDonald's All-Americans.

Posted by: RITerp | March 3, 2011 1:59 PM

Or with less heralded players who outplay the McD's AAs. Anyone remember Mouton?

But I do not understand how few of the top recruits come to MD. Ok, I understand that there was money involved with Rudy Gay and Jim Cheathoun at UConn, but otherwise, it is hard to fathom.

Note also that MD has higher entrance requirements for its BB players and FB players than Duke does. Duke GETS the smart players with talent (UNC gets the dumb ones but that is besides the point), but the kids don't NEED to have as high GPAs and SATs as they do to attend MD. Get KA to fix that (or at least delegate it to his new Chief of Staff).

Posted by: Duke-Rulz-1995 | March 3, 2011 2:15 PM | Report abuse

"I'd give him at least three more years before considering replacing him."
-->Do you know how old he is? He's 66, I don't know if he lasts another three years.

Posted by: break20 | March 3, 2011 2:15 PM | Report abuse

"Note also that MD has higher entrance requirements for its BB players and FB players than Duke does."
-->Yeah, that explains why Gary's graduation rate is abysmally low by any measure. This isn't Harvard. Coach K graduates his players.

Posted by: break20 | March 3, 2011 2:17 PM | Report abuse

You made my point in your post,,,both of my comments are commenting on Gary's failures. Its Gary that I hate, I freaking love this program more than any sport/team/coach/player. If the Skins go to the Superbowl, sweet. If the Terps go to the elite 8/final 4, I lose my cookies! I would sell my car to go to a Final 4 game with MD in it...get my point?

I hate Gary because he is taking us down hill, I feel sorry for the players and the kids in the DC area that want to play for MD, but that he doesnt recruit or that dont come here because he is the coach.

I admit it, I HATE GARY! He acts like he is above the program and above recruiting.

If Gary where winning, I still dont like his style of yelling at players and not recruiting, but I would shut up, because the program is winning, thats ALL I care about, the program.

But he is losing, he is the cause, he is the leader that is taking our loved MD program downhill, so I am not going to shut up, sorry, I love MD Basketball more than I care about ANY coach!

I wish more of you loved the program more than you love the coach, its not Garyland, its Maryland Terps :)

Go Terps, I wish all the best for the kids, sorry if it comes across as anything else than that!

Posted by: cm88 | March 3, 2011 2:21 PM | Report abuse

BTW, every school, including MD, has the ability to "overlook" some academic "issues". Look at Gtown back in the day :) Getting into MD is extremely hard, but if you think any of the players in the past xxx years had a 3.75 GPA and a 1400+ SAT, in HS, and that is how they got into MD, you are clearly and highly mistaken.

Athletes are not held to the same entrance standards as normal HS kids, sorry its not fair, but its the truth.

So please stop using that for #312 in the Gary Excuse Book. That has probably been the case in 1 or 2 occassions in his 20+ years, and was probably used as an excuse because of "other" reasons i.e. Legal issues that became public.

Posted by: cm88 | March 3, 2011 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Duke as a private school with a national following does not have to recruit it's immediate area the same way the flagship state school should. Look at some of the kids Duke has gotten (just recently)- Scheyer (Chicago), Smith (our backyard), and Singler (Oregon).

Posted by: break20 | March 3, 2011 2:37 PM | Report abuse

"We also have to realize that MD is not going to dirty its hands in the AAU cess pool like Coach K, Roy Williams, Jimmy Boeheim, and all those other dirty coaches."
-->What are you smoking, those are all fine coaches. Better examples would be John Calipari, Rick Pitino, and Bruce Fisher.

Posted by: break20 | March 3, 2011 2:40 PM | Report abuse


My point was that those coaches I name DO recruit directly out of AAU programs and they are NOT dirty. I guess you missed the sarcasm.

Posted by: UnFamiliarThought | March 3, 2011 2:56 PM | Report abuse

please note that my school cannot recruit in the state of North carolina. We get NO ONE from NC. MD does better in NC than we do. Any of you calling for GW's head are morons. Maybe the new AD should take the opposite approach that he did with the FB program and figure out how he can SUPPORT the BB program to facilitate winning. That is what Duke does (as well as the other top programs).

Don't forget that GW has been fighting upstream for years with the Yow-run AD. That has its repercussions - usually sub-par BB seasons. I'd give him at least three more years before considering replacing him.

And if the NIT ends up being the postseason destination then man up, support your team, and root for them to win the banner.

"Fire Gary"...what a moronic point of view.

Duke-Rulz, do you realize that Duke and UNC do a better job recruiting our local area that we do? Who cares if MD recruits better in NC. The best players are from HERE!!!!! You being a Duke fan should have not problem with Coach K coming into the Balt/Wash Metro area and getting two of the top 10-20 players in the country while UMD goes into NC and purges it for three unknown two star players.

Get a grip.

Posted by: UnFamiliarThought | March 3, 2011 3:02 PM | Report abuse


You got a real interesting way of showing your love and a real nasty way of showing your hate. It's funny, you whine and complain about Gary and "his style of yelling at players." But yet, you will blast people on TI with vulgarities beyond belief. Where's your sensitivity then?

You think Gary is the only coach to yell at his players? You obviously don't watch much basketball other than UMD. Tom Izzo, Roy Williams, and yes even Coach K yell at their players. Coach K, is a little more image conscious so, he will usually blast his players in the locker room. The guy played for Bobby Knight, you don't think he has it in him?

Fine, you hate Gary. You probably have your reasons, I mean, maybe he stole your girlfriend one summer at a bar in Dewey Beach. But, give me a break with all the "love" and "hate" crap. Either your on board as a fan or your not. And Please Stop openly rooting against your supposed college team.

Posted by: Section505203 | March 3, 2011 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Section, sorry I dont show my disappointment in the manner that you approve, but I guess I am shocked that fans like you are ok with our downward spiral and keep making fun of garyhaters, yet you are ok with how Gary is turning this program upside down. Btw, you have made some personal attacks too, so easy on the judgement there sparky :)

And dont compare me to Gary, Gary yells at teenage kids and tells them to Shut The F up on national tv. One of my best friends is a garylover, but even he admitted that he wanted to jump over the bench and punch gary at a game, when he sat behind the bench, because Gary just ranted on and on like a dbag.

Again, I know sports and coaches, they all yell, but Gary doesnt pick his spots like all the coaches you mentioned. Thats the skill that he lacks, if you are always YELLING like a dbag i.e. gary, then the kids tune you out, dont take the points seriously anymore, or play tight because they know the yelling is coming at any mistake,,,sound like a team we know?

No, Drunk Gary didnt score one of my gf's, sorry I dont like the underaged girls that are drunk like you and Gary,,,I am sure thats why you 2 go for them, you need them to have Beer googles on to land them :)

Final stupid point you make, either you are on board or your not...ok smart guy, so are you a Skins fan? If so, then you completely are on board with what Dan Snyder does and says right? otherwise you are not a Skins fan right??? Are you now seeing how dumb you sound?

Go terps, love you and always will, but please get a new coach!

Posted by: cm88 | March 3, 2011 3:18 PM | Report abuse

If you fault Sr. leadership, you have to fault COACHING too! Seriously i am tired of people that know nothing on basketball speaking to leadership being the missing piece on this team. Your team and your skills have to be competitive before the leadership intangible matters.

Derek Smith of Duke brings leadership, but more importantly he has talent to make plays! Grevais Vasquez brought leadership because Vasquez made plays. Also, Vasquez was also groomed and developed as a player under Gary Williams too. Tucker and Bowie never grew as players at MD. They are still playing like self conscious freshmen. Their roles are not much different than their frosh and sophomore roles. They play a little and Gary snatches them out.

Only a fool would look at this team and equate the poor play with the lack of SR. leadership. The 1st component of winning is talent. The lack of talent on this team is glaring!!!!!

Posted by: oknow1 | March 3, 2011 3:23 PM | Report abuse

CM88 for the third time this week. I'm NOT a Skins fan. Jeez. You need to lay off the hooch. You've got the memory of oven mit.

I think we have all had our personal attack moments on here but, mine are no where near the level or frequency of yours, Sporty.

Posted by: Section505203 | March 3, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse

oh yeah, youre da pitt fan, but my point still stands :) Sorry, my old mind fails me when blogging with you fun kids. Well if I ever hurt your sensitive feelings I am sorry, Go MD!

Posted by: cm88 | March 3, 2011 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm not the one who is crying because Gary yells and curses on the sidelines.

Hey, the hooch hasn't taken away all your brain cells, you at least finely remembered that I'm a Steelers fan.

Posted by: Section505203 | March 3, 2011 4:10 PM | Report abuse

"I'm not the one who is crying because Gary yells and curses on the sidelines."

Line of the year. What a hypocrite this supposed tough guy CM88 is. Comes on here bragging about being a wrestler, makes anonymous threats at fellow posters like he's Andray Baltche, then whines about Gary's cursing. Seriously, if there is a bigger d0uchebag out there than CM88, I haven't come across him.

Posted by: Barno1 | March 3, 2011 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I dunno I bet Steeler fans like section430040303030 were crying like little babies when Ben Rapistburger choked and lost the Super Bowl.

Shoot, section3403428503 probably buried his head in his husbands breast (and by breast I don't mean some toned pec, I mean some floppy moob) and cried and cried and cried.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 3, 2011 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Only one of the seniors (two if you want to count Dino) has been a regular starter, so I'm not really sure you can blame the seniors. Sometimes things click and sometimes they don't. I just hope they continue to get better as a team.

I don't like writing about this sort of thing, but what about another angle. What if part of the problem is the fans? Not just the fans that attend the games, but the fans that write on these blogs. I'm reading through these blogs and I'm amazed at some of the language that's being used. We're just talking about college basketball right? Nobody's going to be physically harmed (or they shouldn't)? No one is losing any money (unless you're just a gambler)? We're talking about a love (like) of a team and the enjoyment that we get from watching them win?

I know that some people are frustrated, but to this point? Why not focus on the positive? Going into the season, many of the same experts that people are turning to for advice about the NCAA Tournament brackets predicted that MD would finish near the bottom of the ACC. They examined the fact that MD lost the majority of the scoring from last year's team and compared it with the relative strength of the ACC. And, by all accounts, so far, MD has exceeded those expectations. So, why all of the angry comments? They brought in six new players this year and are pulling off a pretty decent season. UNC tried the same approach last year and they were NIT bound. MD may be as well. So, what's the problem? If they were truly horrible of if they hadn't won a decent amount of games, I might feel a twinge of panic, but they're actually ok. Maybe not good enough to get into the tournament, but ok. That's not the standard I hope MD strives for, but it understandable when it happens. Especially given the loss of so much talent from last year's team.

Everyone wonders why "Gary" can't keep MD recruits in state. Well, maybe they don't want to stay here because they know how some MD fan can be. They read the blogs. They go to the games. They know how viciously Greivis Vasquez was booed a couple of years ago. They remember the way John Gilchrist was treated, Nik Caner-Medley, Braxton Dupree. Local, International, or from another region, it doesn't matter. If you're not producing, some MD fans will take it to you. Sure, getting screamed at by your college coach is probably intimidating (although, it happens at high schools and colleges across the country -- even Coach K tears into his players), but getting picked apart and yelled at by your own fans? And, then people wonder why some local players don't want to stay here? I don't like saying it, but we may play a part here. Maybe not for every recruit, but maybe a few.

Posted by: charles20001 | March 3, 2011 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Last night's game made my eyes bleed. Williams was 3 for 17. He couldn’t hit the side of a barn with another side of a barn. Point blank shot...miss. Point blank shot...miss. Point blank shot...miss. Lather, rinse, repeat. MD shot 9 of 18 from beyond the arc and still lost by 14. How is that possible? Here’s one way, the Terps bench played 40 total minutes and made 1 field goal.

Williams night was an abberation, because once again the seniors and junior Mosley didn't do enough. They just haven't picked up the leadership role that most upperclassmen do in the league. Mosley is down in every statistical category this year and it's not just because of playing time. His FT, FG and 3P percentages are all down.

Hopefully, next year will be a case of addition by subtraction. MD has some top recruits coming in and hopefully some of the underclassmen (Howard, Hawk, Parker and Padgett) will step it up.

Posted by: paul6554 | March 3, 2011 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Maryland students get picked apart too, usually for doing what students on every other campus do. Last year when Maryland beat Duke, some analyst on CBS Sportsline wrote an article about how terrible Maryland students were for storming the court after the game yet I saw nothing of that sort written about VT or Florida State for doing the same thing after their victories over Duke this year. ESPN even had extended coverage of it on TV after the VT game last Saturday. If Maryland students take to Route 1 to celebrate a big basketball win, they are wreaking havoc, rioting and the police are called in yet another ACC school can tear down the goal posts and shut down a major city street after a big football victory and their school president sees it as a celebration of a big win and that is how it’s presented on their local news. One minute the school is being criticized for having lousy academics and the next minute students are being condemned because they prefer to study instead of going to a basketball game. And nobody but nobody has raunchy cheers or chants……except Maryland of course. Shall I continue?

Maybe the students need to be given a break.

Posted by: TerpAlum | March 3, 2011 6:07 PM | Report abuse

This is one of the blogs I usually stay off of but count me as one of the guys that says if Gary wants to coach here until hell freezes over I am ok with that.

He is one of the all time best coaches in history and he came here to resurrect a program on life support when he didn't have to. He quit a better job at the time to come home and help his school all the way back to a national title. Some say that was yesterday and they are right. So was yesterdays game, yesterday.

Some folks need to realize we are not Duke. We are not UNC. We are not Kentucky. We are routinely, even in the last 8 years, the 3rd best team in the best basketball conference in the country year in and out. Nobody has more wins or conference wins than us after Duke/UNC. We won the freaking conference last year. Every few years we will have a year to rebuild and teach freshman. THat was this year.

Is it Gary's fault that the seniors can't play. To some extent, but the scholarships are for 4 years. Once you have them they are yours. No way they were breaking in against Milbourne, Hayes and Vasquez. Gary knew after their sophomore year they didn't have it, but they were in between years with multiple schloarships available and needed big men to make up for the injured and suck big men they recruited. We are lucky they didn't all stick around and suck up scholarships for 4 years themselves.

Anyway the future is bright, just like it was after Vasquez/Hayes sophomore years. Stoglin/Williams/Faust/Paulson/Parker/Mosely/Gibbs/Breunig/Padgett are all big time recruits and players and MD will reside in the top 25 all next season.

Everyone is mad the Terps can't seem to shoot a FT or finish a game. Now that Stoglin seems to have finally found his way, the future is bright. if you want to hate on Gary then you will find a reason to anyway I suppose. But next year it is going to be harder for you. I wrote in the beginning of the year this would happen. Gary would do one of his best coachong jobs of his carrer, but finish 500 in conference and go to the nIT and everyone would once again call for his head. U guys are just too predictable.

My only hope is that unlike some other years, Gary will take th NIT seriously and use it to prepare his young team for next year. it is the perfect way to give your team confidence on a big stage and make them encoraged for the off season and excites for next season.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | March 3, 2011 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Old news... Let's see how much pride Tucker and Bowie actually have, and see how hard they play on Senior Day...Start them, give them till the 1st tv timeout.. If it's same old stuff, sit em....I'm sure the students will be there in full force to say thank you to the seniors... NOT

Posted by: frostanna | March 3, 2011 8:05 PM | Report abuse

I don't know about lack of senior leadership but I know the seniors aren't making plays or hitting shots.

For those who want Gary to be fired, careful what you wish for. Gary puts up close to, if not more than, 20 wins per season and never has a whiff of recruiting violations. How many other coaches do that year in and year out? At 66, has he lost his drive to recruit the way he should to compete for a Final 4 berth every year? Maybe, probably, but we still have one of the more consistantly successful programs in the country and if Williams comes back next year with Stoglin and Howard not having to share minutes with underpreforming seniors we'll be a top ACC team again. I'll be happy to let Gary coach until his heart's content because the alternative is unlikely to be as successful as what we have now. Anyone remember the Tarheels under Matt Dougherty?

Posted by: bdub2 | March 3, 2011 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Shoot, section3403428503 probably buried his head in his husbands breast (and by breast I don't mean some toned pec, I mean some floppy moob) and cried and cried and cried.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 3, 2011 5:00 PM

Another hypocrite. The well known Liberal, Poopy, likes to constantly crack homosexual jokes, like the one above. I thought you folks on the left side of aisle were supposed to be tolerant of others....Guess not.

Posted by: Section505203 | March 3, 2011 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Did UMD run a half court set last night? Looked like perimeter guys not running the O to get the excuse chuck in the 9 second possession. If the perimeter players manage the game wisely, UMD can beat any team in the NCAA. JW, Padgett, Paulson, Mosley, Stoglin. Next: Weijs (6'10, thin SBlkr), Dino, Tucker, Bowie, P. How do you want to go out, UMD?

Posted by: Realness1 | March 3, 2011 9:48 PM | Report abuse

CM88 so glad to have you on here posting the truth so I don't have to :-) I think I saw in one of your posts you're a software executive as am I. I know in our business you can have a killer quarter or deliver even a record breaking year and that will buy you maybe a quarter or two of slippage. The idea that delivering a national championship gives you some kind of life time pass on being help accountable is a joke. Gary is paid very well and is a big boy. If he doesn't deliver he needs to pay the pied piper. Denny Crum won two national championships and got shown the door. I'm so tired of hearing about how led us back from the depths of our probation. If you're any kind of MD fan then you never would of had a doubt that we would be back. Did Gary come in and do a good job on that? Yes he also seemed to have a little more energy on snagging some big recruits like Keith Booth and Steve Francis.

We are not UK, UNC, Duke, UCLA, Kansas.. That's it that's the list. There is no reason we can't be Pitt, NOVA, Cuse, Texas, Butler, Xavier, Louisville, Florida, MSU, Illinois and a host of other programs that have passed MD by....

Posted by: restonhoops | March 3, 2011 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Quoting Unfamiar Thought:
"We also have to realize that MD is not going to dirty its hands in the AAU cess pool like Coach K, Roy Williams, Jimmy Boeheim, and all those other dirty coaches.

Let's gleefully perch Gary up on a pedestal because he is morally a better man than every other coach in the nation. I know this is competitve college basketball and our school is smack dab in the middle of the most talent rich high school basketball area in the country, but let's applaud Gary for not being able or willing to recruit it. "

OK..I will applaud Gary for not getting his hands dirty like those other coaches. I will applaud him for running a clean program for over 30 years along with a National Championship. I will applaud him for keeping the school out of probation and other NCAA sanctions unlike Bob Wade and others like Kelvin Sampson. You can harp on his perceived inability to recruit this state but sorry I'll take him over a lot of other coaches who have no problem dirtying their hands like Bruce Pearl. Move to Tenn. if that's what you want in a coach.

Posted by: bullwinkle1 | March 3, 2011 10:59 PM | Report abuse

I see so many of the "so-called" Maryland fans against Gary. Alot of "what have you done lately for me" posts. Let's look at the last ten years and ask most big-time division one schools if they would like our record and overall results. By the way, last I checked we did tie for the ACC Champsionship last year.

Gary made the program which is why everybody has high expectations. On another note, no NCAA Violations. That means alot. He plays by the rules.

Gary should be here as long as he wants. He has earned that right. I remember the Pre-Gary years and they were not pretty.

Posted by: belairbakers | March 4, 2011 7:23 AM | Report abuse

Some folks need to realize we are not Duke. We are not UNC. We are not Kentucky.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | March 3, 2011 7:17 PM

Never understood why UMD can't we strive for (and as fans ask for) a program on par with UNC, Duke, Kentucky, Kansas and why some fans think it's okay to not strive to be an elite program?

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 4, 2011 9:22 AM | Report abuse

BTW, I watched the ESPN piece on GW and Terp Basketball. Have to say it was really, really weak. For all the credit he gets and his rep on X's & O's and game coaching, those sessions with his assistants and the film session with the team were really uninspiring. And the practice segments weren't much better. I wouldn't show that to any prospective recruits. Can't believe ESPN thought it was worthy. Maybe SVP pushed it or the UConn lovers in Bristol thought it could only help their Huskies...

Posted by: petecard | March 4, 2011 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Restonhoops, yeah, some people just dont get it. Give a guy a lifetime pass? I guess they have never been in business before. I love the skins, but even Joe Gibbs didnt deserve a lifetime pass when the game had past him by the second time he came back to coach. Great man and coach, but it just wasnt in him anymore. I wont even give Gary the same level of respect as a man or coach as Joe Gibbs, so why would he deserve a lifetime pass for something he did 10 years ago?

For all those that think Gary is morally perfect, you obviously do not know the man or the stories about him around the campus, so please stop with the high and mighty act. Go to any local bar and you will hear the classy Gary stories. He only says he doesnt recruit those kids, because he does go after them with Assistants, and he is too lazy to go see them, so then they dont come here, and Garys excuse is, I didnt want them....sounds like me asking a swimsuit model out and her rejecting me, so I say, I never wanted to go out with her anyways! Gary has just as many excuses as his fans do for him, its sad!

For every dirty coach you can name, we can name very clean coaches that are recruiting our local guys on a yearly basis, so again, another lame excuse.

And for us "so called" Maryland fans, we are better fans in my eyes, because we love Maryland more than we love Gary. Gary is taking us, if he is lucky, to the 4th NIT in 8 years. Again, we tied for the conf champ last year in the weakest year of the ACC ever, then we lost in the first round of the ACC and 2nd of the NCAA, plus we lost to W and M and everyone else before the start of the ACC reg season,,,you call that a successful year? Really you are more of a Maryland fan than us that want a change for the better?

I think you are more of a Gary fan than a Maryland Terps Basketball fan, sorry just the truth.

Posted by: cm88 | March 4, 2011 9:31 AM | Report abuse

beblakers,,,if you remembered the pre-gary years, then you would remember that Lefty built this program, not Gary. And in another year or two, your 10 year statement will have show one of the weakest programs out of "bigtime" programs in the country, because it will have 4 or more NIT's in there, so keep hanging on to something he did 10 years ago, we REAL MD fans, want a winning coach/tradition again, that includes deep runs into the NCAA's, not a bubble NIT/NCAA team for 8 years.

Posted by: cm88 | March 4, 2011 9:36 AM | Report abuse

It's time for me to offer my view of what's on the horizon and that view takes seriously Kevin Anderson's call for "greatness." The basketball program is mediocre by every realistic measure. GW is 66 years old and within a couple of years of his contract being up. It is likely that the recruiting task for him is going to become even more difficult. So next year is going to be very interesting and not entirely dissimilar to what happened with the football program. Will there be a surge in performance next year with the maturity of JW, TS and others? Will the coming recruits fit in and add value? IMHO next year is incredibly important. It may buy GW more time, but I don't see an extension. It's possible but I don't see it. In fact my view is that we are really at the beginning of the end. For some of us that means the beginning of new hope. If KA handles this right, we can go through a smooth transition and hire a new coach that will get us back where we belong, among the elite in college basketball. For all the Kool-aid drinkers who are going to paint their own warped views of the horizon, ask yourselves this? If performance doesn't improve, how long should the university allow the coach to go on? Those of you who say "as long as he wants" are not Maryland Basketball Fans, you are merely FOG's.

Posted by: petecard | March 4, 2011 9:55 AM | Report abuse

@CM88 - Lefty built "a" program, but it was tarnished by tragedy, so he resigned. You're forgetting that subsequent coach Bob Wade literally sunk the program over the next 3 years. The arrival of GW marked a turning point for the program because he lifted the program out of mediocrity. Lefty didn't do this; GW did.

Posted by: SirPelleas | March 4, 2011 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Besides, if who would replace GW? Seriously?

Posted by: SirPelleas | March 4, 2011 10:36 AM | Report abuse

And don't say, "A guy like Coach K."

Posted by: SirPelleas | March 4, 2011 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure GW will be here as long as he wants. He's still producing quality basketball teams and he's still winning championships. And, he's still doing it with a clean program. That's all I want. If that's mediocrity, then so be it.

It's amazing how predictable this becomes. There seems to be a clear divide between people who back GW and people who seemingly want him gone. I understand that the people that want him gone keep pointing to his record over the last ten years as some sort of "evidence," but -- to me -- that's exactly what's wrong with college basketball and collegiate athletics. There's absolutely no loyalty and schools are getting rid of coaches in the blink of an eye. That, to me, is sad. It's a college sport. I understand the money involved (which I also think is sad). I wish some alums/fans invested even half of that money in the academic side of the institution of their choice. That would make all of the difference in the world. That's a pipedream. People love their sports and college basketball is already big business. Technically, high school can't be a big business (although it is in many parts of the country), so we creat AAU programs. It's just sad.

We have a coach that came back to his alma mater and turned this program around. He's won championships. He's turned out quality kids. Yet, year after year, many want him gone. It's not that we have some great coach waiting in the wings. MD football found out -- the hard way -- that many of the best coaches in the country that run clean programs do not want to come to MD. Yet, many believe that there is a different perception regarding MD basketball. I wonder why? Much of the love that MD gets -- on a national level --is because of GW. If he goes, it's quite possible that MD will face serious issues with its program. Everyone thinks they will be able to attract a topflight recruiter and coach. That's what Kentucky thought when they chased away Tubby. That's what Indiana thought. That's what Clemson thought. That's what NC State thought. That's what Wake Forest thought. The list goes on and on.

If what GW is producing isn't good enough, what's the standard? The team should be in the NCAA tournament every year? That's just not realistic. Not nowadays. There are too many good players, scheduling issues, etc. Duke is one of the rare exceptions out there. Almost all of the other teams in the ACC have had issues making the tourney. That's just the way it is.

Why not just have patience and wait to see what happens with this team. What's the worst thing that happens? They lose? So what, I'd rather have a year like this then the scandals that Tennessee, UConn, Indiana, Oklahoma, Memphis, or any number of a host of schools have lived through over the last few years. It's not worth it. GW has a clean and winning program with good young men who just want to get better. That sounds like plenty.

Fear the turtle!

Posted by: charles20001 | March 4, 2011 10:42 AM | Report abuse

I've seen a few references lately to hiring Todd Bozeman to replace GW. Most recently by UnFamiliarWithRationalThought. This poster is a leader in embracing "good to great," and an example to us all. We can dump HOF coach and leapfrog right over a Bob Wade hire to a Bozeman hire. We no longer will need to bicker and argue over the occasional trip to NIT. We can relish the opportunity to vacate entire seasons as we pay our way into recruiting good to great. In those down years when we're not fighting NCAA charges, we will read in the papers those stories which will make us really proud of this BS program at Maryland. You know the ones I mean - the stories about our coach being arrested for attacking female restaurant employees because coach didn't like the sandwich order. No need to worry about losing our leader, he can simply pay off the woman he attacked, apologize, and have the charges dropped. Quick question to those of you who think GW is OOC on the sideline - how's that for taking OOC from good to great? Clearly, the guy has shown he won't let one mistake cramp his style. He also appears to have an unlimited source of payola, and he's not afraid to use it.

GW has been a great coach for this program. No one can rationally argue that down. The conversation on whether or not he's the right coach to continue our path to greatness is valid. However, the arguments should stay out of the absurd. Staying at the top over a long period of time is something only a handfull of coaches have achieved. All but one of those coaches has had unfathomable losses during a season. Winning the ACC in a down year doesn't really cheapen the win. Hearsay arguments coming out of CP bars have no place in the conversation.

Petecard's post makes a lot of sense. Ideally, KA would be able to work with GW to make a smooth transition. GW has a track record of recognizing talent, he may be able to bring along a coach as well. He's had coaches come out of his program and find success as the HC elsewhere. I do believe that next year could be great with the current players and those coming into the program. Hopefully, GW and KA can also work on the transition. GW has earned the right to influence that transition. Who out there is a rising star coach? (please, no nominations for those who can lead the CP chapter of Future Felons of America)

Posted by: 703TerpFan | March 4, 2011 11:27 AM | Report abuse

For people that think another Bob Wade issue would happen, you do realize that was 20+ years ago, right? The NCAA, technology, world, etc. has changed a ton since then. I know you like to use that as a fear excuse, but if you really dont think that almost every top Mid-major or even some major program coaches wouldnt fight to get this job, then you dont understand what MD really has here. Just look at what Brenda has done in her short time here. We are not Tenn or Conn, but she is competing with them. MD men should be doing the same. Somehow she is getting the top recruits, but Gary isnt.

Again, Lefty built this program, Bob tore it down, GW helped rebuild it, now we need someone to take us to the next level. This happens in the business world every day, sorry but this is a business. We need a new leader to take us to the next level, Gary just cant or doesnt want to do what it takes. As a MD terp fan, I am very thankful for what Gary has done in the past, but I am also open to seeing that we need a new leader/change to get us to the next level.

Go Terps!

Posted by: cm88 | March 4, 2011 11:42 AM | Report abuse

I'm curious. What is the next level? Where would you like MD to be? Better yet, what program would you like them to resemble? Are we talking a Texas? UConn? Syracuse? Duke? UNC? Kentucky?

Posted by: charles20001 | March 4, 2011 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Disappointing season. Still support GW but agree with Petecard's need for a transition plan given GW's age. But Pleeeeeeeaaaase no HCIW.


- hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | March 4, 2011 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Next level is a team that goes to the NCAA's, I think with 68 teams, it should be every year, but realistically it is 7 out of 8 years. Competes for Conf titles i.e. is going to the finals every couple of years or semi-finals. Competes when they are in the NCAA's, i.e. Sweet 16's 2 or 3 times in 8 years.

Recruiting: Top 10-20 player, especially with our local talent, 2 players every 10 years.

Does that seem unrealistic?

I know you guys will pick a hole in every thing you can, but Garys record over the past 8 years is: No Top 10-20 guys recruited, if we make the NIT this year, it will be 4 NIT's in 8 years. No Sweet 16's or better. 1 ACC Tourn Title.

BTW, I pick 8 years because that is 2 full recruiting classes i.e. Fresh to Snr, so there are 8 recruiting classes, plenty of time to turn it back around.

Yes, I know what he did 10 years ago, before you go there :)

Posted by: cm88 | March 4, 2011 12:24 PM | Report abuse

CM88/ Mr Tech Exec...

You are really silly because we all know that you dont like Gary's style so your arguments about firing him for not making x tourneys in y years rings a tad hollow...its like asking Glenn Beck for an objective review of Obama

EVERY NCAA coach has holes in his record....I asked a couple of weeks ago for a coach you would replace GW whose record has no blemishes.....guess what....the only name thrown out was Phil Jackson....Coach K could be another, but after that there is no-one

GW is one of only 10 active coaches with a title, is in the top 5 actives in games won and is a lock for future HOF...and you (who may or may not have played basketball as some podunk Div 2 school and who has never coached at the college level want to sit here and stomp your little feet because you dont feel we go to the tourney enough, even though we are coming off 2 consec tourney apps (yeah, I know we probably wont go this year)?? Get real...and I still dont know why you dont follow your own college especially if you were an athlete there? No you dont have to have attended UMD to be a fan but I certainly dont waste my time trolling the BC sports boards and ragging on their coach...jeez man

Posted by: TerpfanMA | March 4, 2011 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Terpfan/Mr unemployeed,

You are really silly, just in general.

Yes I know every coach has holes, I am fine with a coach having holes, but this is 8 years running, its called a trend, maybe they didnt teach you that at MD business school, but go read a book about negative trends and it will look like Garys past 8 years. Again, I havent said anything for years, but it just keeps going and we all keep hoping,,,I am done hoping sorry you are still sitting on your hands hoping.

Second silly point, I never said I played basketball, sorry you couldnt pay attention to that. I played other sports Division 1 and did coach for a bit, so sorry you are way off. And I knew how to get the most out of players, and it wasnt yelling every second or telling them to shut the F up, or playing favorites and putting kids in yearly doghouses.

Worst silly point, so I grow up loving a team, follow them for 30+ years, but since I go to college some where else for athletics, I cant be a MD fan anymore or I am less of one because you happen to get in there??? yeah thats a smart point, wow MD grads are really bright and open.

Last Silly point, yeah I know Gary has done well, and we made it to several NCAA's over the past couple of years, but thats the issue, you Garylovers live in the distant past i.e. 10 years ago, and you think being a bubble team and squeeking into the NCAA's and losing early is ok/success. Sorry but thats a really low bar of success, maybe you are use to it in your personal and professional life, but real MD fans expect more.

Maybe you will notice, but on all the different blogs here and other MD locations, more and more people are sick of the old man/Gary's act, lazy recruiting, underperforming, and lack of owning his own failures (blame recruiters, Yow, administration, NCAA selection, Seniors), Gary is a waste, and he needs to move on and grow up someday and take ownership of his failures, not always point it at someone else.

Sorry but a real MD fan would expect more, not just make excuses.."terpfanMA"!

Posted by: cm88 | March 4, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

This situation is similar to one Maryland had a few years ago when a HOF coach was nearing the end of their career. That team also was not enjoying the success that it once had. So, what happened? Maryland went out and hired one of the best and brightest up-and-coming coaches, and the program reached new heights...

The program is Maryland's women's basketball team, the HOFer Chris Weller, and the new coach Brenda Freese. In my opinion - and I'm very much a Gary Williams fan and admirer (I was a student at Maryland during the Bob Wade era - enough said!) - the men's team needs the same type of change.

One way would be this. Anderson and company work out a deal w/ Gary that he retires when his contract expires in 2 years. Just prior to the 2012-2013 season Maryland goes out and hires Gary's replacement. The replacement serves as the #1 assistant during the Gary Williams farewell tour...

Sound too far fetched? This is what happened at Purdue when Matt Painter took over for Gene Keady. The Boilermakers appear to be doing just fine now.

As far as who this person could be, I suggest the following. Someone who; 1) has a winning pedigree, 2) knows DC/B'more basketball, and 3) who can recruit. That person would be Stanford coach Johnny Dawkins!

For those who think hiring a Dukie to succeed Gary is unthinkable, the last Dukie hired to coach men's hoop didn't turn out too bad... As he used to say, "Aye can coach!"

Posted by: ziowa9 | March 4, 2011 3:06 PM | Report abuse

cm88, I'm not sure whether the "next level" you listed above is realistic or not. Clearly you've thought about it, how many teams in NCAA Div I fit the bill that you listed above? I'm just curious. Is it a high number (20 to 30 teams) or are we talking about less than five?

Posted by: charles20001 | March 4, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I am glad a few are starting to realize GW has been nothing but one big excuse for the past 8 years. He retired after the championship season. He does not recruit 4 star players because he wants to train 3 and 2 star players and have them stay 4 years. this is a cop out he can't get 4 star or 5 for that matter. Who would want to play for him, listen to him scream at the bench. He coaches a run and gun offense that is error prone so the players look stupid throwing the ball away. They have to force it inside rather than looking good if they can shoot.

Naturally no one with real talent wants to go to MD if they can go somewhere better. Gary leads the program and therefore is the problem. Do not blame Yow, what did she do to prevent GW from recruiting. Soccer does not have a problem Lacross does not have a problem. lefty never had a problem recruiting.

In summary the better players go to a program that showcases their talent not not an average program where they look out of place.

Posted by: geoski | March 4, 2011 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who thinks that Maryland can't attract and retain a great young coach who will breath new life into the program just doesn't appreciate what a jewel of a place this is in college basketball. History, resources, arena, location, fan base, recruiting hotbed, conference. Maryland has it all. Let's look at Kansas, Texas, Wisconsin, Purdue, Florida, Villanova, Pitt, Xavier, and Kansas State as schools that have stepped up and hired very good coaches. There is every reason to expect we will land a gifted, energetic and winning young coach.

Posted by: petecard | March 4, 2011 4:42 PM | Report abuse

since gary williams has had the most success by going with those second tier recruits, why should he change and start chasing one'n'dones? how well did that steve francis team end up doing, hmmm?

i don't remember him camping out in front of juan dixon & chris wilcox's houses to get them to come to md, did he do that? or did the assistants do the bulk of the recruiting work then, as they do now?

coaching and recruiting is too big a job for one person to do alone. if anything, md needs better assistant coaches than they have now (and yes, choosing the right assistants *is* gary's job so that part is all on him).

Posted by: rm0659 | March 4, 2011 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Why do any of you feel the right to determine who are "real" Terps fans and who aren't just because they disagree with you (calling you out specifically petecard). You make a lot of good points Pete, but I happen to disagree with you in your assumption that a better coach than Gary will just fall out of a tree. In your mind this makes me not a "real" fan, but luckily for me I don't have to pass your ignorant litmus test to enjoy watching my team. Personally, I think anyone who assumes we can just wave our magic wand and bring in a hall of fame caliber coach is a fool and probably too stupid to be employed, but luckily for you I don't sign your pay checks...

Posted by: bdub2 | March 5, 2011 3:19 PM | Report abuse

bdub2, you make a good point and I fell into the same thing that Barno so often does... evaluating other people's fandom. That is a mistake. Having said that I will say that many, many FOG's are completely unwilling to hold the coach accountable for the program's mediocre performance over an eight year period. And some fans, like you, seem to think that hiring a great coach is a total crap shoot. There are quite a few programs, some mentioned by me in my earlier post, that have hired wonderful coaches. I have every confidence that we can find and sign a great coach. Please, I'm not suggesting one will "fall out of the trees." Those are your words.

Posted by: petecard | March 6, 2011 11:39 AM | Report abuse

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