Rove Stands Firm on Democrats Pushing to War in 2002
Karl Rove defended his recent assertion that Democrats in Congress pushed the country to war with Iraq faster than the White House wanted.
"The general conventional wisdom is that the president was the only person pushing the Congress to vote on the war resolution before the November election," the former senior Bush administration aide said on "Fox News Sunday." "And that's simply not true. [Former Senate majority leader] Tom Daschle in June [of 2002] said there's broad support for regime change in Iraq."
Rep. Chris Van Hollen (Md.), chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, cited on the same show a Washington Post report that quoted former Bush press secretary Ari Fleischer as saying it was "definitely" the administration that "set in motion and determined the timing" of the resolution authorizing the war.
Rove, however, said that Fleischer was "not aware of and was not privileged" to all the information he needed to make the most accurate assessment.
Rove and Van Hollen debated several other topics that may decide elections in 2008.
Rove said Republicans must focus very publicly on kitchen-table issues such as health care, college affordability and economic stability. But he said he was confident Republicans could make gains because of Democrats' "lousy record" on taxes and spending.
Van Hollen noted the large number of Republicans who have already announced retirement from Congress next year and his committee's substantial financial advantage over the National Republican Congressional Committee.
He acknowledged, however, that to improve its job approval rating, which trails the president's, Congress still has "a lot more things to do," such as expanding children's health insurance, funding stem cell research, and forcing a change of direction in Iraq.
Rove and Van Hollen agreed that the 2008 presidential race is unsettled.
Rove said both frontrunners - Republican Rudolph Giuliani and Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton - could be in trouble.
"The question ... for both parties is whoever wins Iowa, if it's not the front-runner, are they able to carry that through to the following primaries, have a bandwagon effect," Rove said.
Now Leading in Iowa, Huckabee Fends Off Attacks
Fresh off a poll showing he had taken the lead in the GOP contest in Iowa, former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee appeared on ABC's "This Week" to defend his record against mounting attacks.
He said "humane treatment of human beings" was behind his support for a college tuition discount to the children of illegal immigrants who graduated from Arkansas high schools, a benefit enjoyed by the state's citizens.
"I'll tell you what I do believe, that you don't punish a child because a parent committed a crime or committed a sin," he said.
But, aware that many Republican voters are hostile to policies that seem to make life easier for illegal immigrants, Huckabee also tried to take a hard line in the interview against illegal immigration.
"I don't support amnesty. I don't support special benefits. I support a secure border. I don't support the idea of sanctuary cities," he said.
He characterized the in-state tuition bill as "a meritorious scholarship based on their grade-point average, their being drug- and alcohol-free."
"The fact that the federal government failed in allowing him to get here illegally is not the problem of the state," he said. "It's the problem of a federal government that pushed it down on the states."
Huckabee also faced questions about taxes, which has been a consistent point of attack by the conservative group Club for Growth. During Huckabee's tenure, the average tax burden on Arkansans increased from $1,969 per person to $2,902 per person over eight years, the Arkansas Democrat Gazette reported last month.
Huckabee said Sunday that he cut taxes 94 times and the income tax stayed the same.
Huckabee rejected the assertion by former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney, one of his rivals for the GOP nomination, that he is a lifelong politician.
"I'm amazed how people can manufacture things. You know, I've mostly been accused of being too long in the church and being a pastor," he said. "But I also have a record of being in the private sector, not only in small business, but being involved in the human work of touching people's lives from the cradle to the grave, understanding social pathologies to the level that nobody running in a sterile business environment has ever faced."
Huckabee, an evangelical Christian and the only pastor in the race, was asked whether Romney, a Mormon, is a Christian.
"Mitt Romney has to answer that. Nobody can answer for another person, for you, for me," he said.
Webb Cites Gains, Opportunities in Iraq
Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.) appeared on NBC's "Meet the Press" upon the return from his first trip to Iraq. He said President Bush's troop buildup has had a positive impact there, but not all reductions in violence and positive indicators in Iraq are a result of the surge.
"There are certain elements in Iraq that I think have benefited from the surge," he said. He said it has provided a "very important interval" for political progress to be made, though that goal remains elusive.
Webb added, though, that widely touted successes such as those in Anbar Province are a result of forces in motion before the troop buildup. Sunnis who had formed an alliance with al-Qaeda realized over time that the terrorist group had "badly overplayed their hand."
Along with other issues, he said, "they have given us this moment. ... We need to take advantage of this in a regional way."
McCain Still Optimistic about Chances in Iowa
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said he was proud to receive the endorsement of the Manchester Union Leader, New Hampshire's statewide newspaper, but he would not call doing well in that state's primary next month "make-or-break."
He said on CBS's "Face the Nation" that while he is low in the polls in Iowa, he hasn't written off that state's caucuses. "We have a lot of work to do," he said. "We have a very good organization in Iowa."
McCain said Huckabee's recent success is the result of his good performance in recent GOP debates. "He's ... got a very pleasant way about him. He's very concise," he said. "So I think he's a force to be reckoned with in the Republican primary. You never know how these things are going to turn out, but I'm not surprised that he's doing better."
McCain acknowledged he could see a scenario where he would tap Huckabee as a vice presidential candidate. But he called thinking about such things already "a little bit ambitious."
McCain, a major supporter of the president's troop buildup in Iraq, suggested there is some political reconciliation under way. As an example, he cited the sharing of some oil revenues.
"Now they've got to show us some more progress. I agree with that. But it took us a long time to turn this military situation around. And you've got to have an environment of military security before the political, economic and social process moves forward," he said.
Paul Rejects McCain's 'Isolationist' Label
Fresh off a victory Saturday in a Virginia straw poll, Rep. Ron Paul (R-Tex.) used an appearance on CNN's "Late Edition" to follow up on several topics in last week's Republican debate.
Paul said McCain was mistaken when he compared Paul's desire to avoid intervening in foreign countries' affairs to isolationism before World War II.
"Iraq is not Nazi Germany. And besides, I thought it was Hitler that caused World War II, not the American people, who opposed going in," he said.
"Isolationism isn't what I advocate. I advocate non-intervention, not getting involved in the internal affairs of other nations, and not pretending a country like Iraq is equivalent to Nazi Germany," he said. "Iraq had no army, no navy, had no weapons of mass destruction, had nothing to do with 9/11, so the comparison makes no sense."
Paul stuck by his prediction of raising more than $12 million in the final three months of 2007, saying that he has already raised more than $10 million.
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Posted by: Helena Montana | December 2, 2007 2:55 PM
John W. Dean wrote an entire book about the Shyyytehouse misleading CONGRESS.
MISLEADING CONGRESS.
an entire book, by Nixons' IMPEACHMENT LAWYER.
the book, "Worse Than Watergate," Secrecy in the whitehouse...a conspiracy of secrecy.
Rove? he spen tmost of his time on his knees servicing Jeff Gannon....he doesn't know what happened, he was in love. He was held in love's embrace, stunned by the taste of life.....
heh heh heh
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Posted by: Roverer | December 2, 2007 3:36 PM
Rove is practicing the Big Lie. Repeat B.S. often enough, even though everyone knows it to be B.S, an eventually the Lie catches on with someone. Next fall I'm sure the Rethugs will attempt to use this one.
Rove's lookin a little more chunky than normal. Looks like he's growing additional chins. Fat B*****d!
Posted by: gwbush2323 | December 2, 2007 3:37 PM
a few samples, be an adult check it outyourselves...
everytime a republican talks about wood in the whitehouse:
Web Video Results 1 - 10 of about 80,500 for Jeff Gannon prostitute.
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Posted by: dissatifaction guaranteed. | December 2, 2007 3:40 PM
Regarding Karl Rove's comment "Rove, however, said that Fleischer was "not aware of and was not privileged" to all the information he needed to make the most accurate assessment."
It just makes me wonder how many times did the Press Secretary for the White House NOT have all the information or given false information before he gave information to the press and the public? Comments like Roves' just affirms my belief that the White House inhabitants is filled with a bunch of liars starting with the Deceiver
Posted by: alan | December 2, 2007 3:45 PM
ANDOVER, Mass. -- Perhaps there have been other presidential candidates who have dressed in drag, flaunting their legs from beneath a (fairly short) white skirt. But George W. Bush is probably the only one who has done it in front of a camera.
A photograph showing George and friends wearing wigs and employing falsies to fill out their sweaters appears in a yellowed copy of the school newspaper of Phillips Academy here in Andover, near Boston. It was 1963, and George, then a high school senior and head cheerleader.
Bush's Male chearleader roommate.
You will note in The Atlantic article quoted earlier how "in 1984 Bush flew to Tennessee to accompany the Republican Senate nominee and Bonesman ('67) Victor Ashe on a seven-city tour." Victor Ashe- besides having been a fellow Skull and Bones member, roommate and cheerleader with George W. Bush - has a public reputation of being a sodomite in Knoxville, Tennessee where he is mayor.
Posted by: the "inside story," | December 2, 2007 3:52 PM
And by stand firm, you mean lie. So why not just call him a liar?
Posted by: Greg in LA | December 2, 2007 3:58 PM
Hey, the war did not start until March 19, 2003 and President Bush gave Saddam a chance to seek exile and leave Iraq. Diplomacy was tried, but the Democrats will never admit it.
Now, I think it was good to get the ball moving on Iraq since the Arab terrorists were seeking refuge in Iraq. It is true and the satellite photos show trunkloads of people dashing off to cross the border into other nations as well (like the no mans land of N Pakistan)
Tom Dashel kept whining about the rush to war back in early September before the vote and 77 members of Senate stood up to say Iraq was a threat and should be dealt with if other means fail.
The US and The Brits spent billions on the NO FLY Zone for almost 15 years. There were illegal weapons smuggled in from Russia and China for example and they were used by Saddam´s forces. Go back and watch those videos of the early weeks of war back in March. Saddam was dealt with and now the Democrats are whining again.
The Democrats are trying to change the subject now that Iraq is less violent and less people are being murdered by Al Quada.
Wow, are we surprised that even Murtha admits things are better in Iraq?
Posted by: Laura | December 2, 2007 4:14 PM
REMEMBER the current fiasco/regime STARTED?
probably not, it was actually more than a few years ago.
key player:
GEORGE H.W. Bush Sr., son of NAZI SUPPORTERS DURING WWII, purportedly has been involved in the CIA since BAY OF PIGS, Zapata OIL days....connections through his fathers and families interests and CIA/CUBANO MAFIA/OIL/DRUGS since the early 1950's...
George H.W. Bush Sr.:
sent APRIL GLASPIE to Iraq, who with a nod and a wink told Saddam that his border dispute with Kuwait could be settled with military force and the U.S. would look the "other way." a lie, aruse, a deceit.
Saddam invades Kuwait, we now have an official reason to be there....HOT DAWG!!!
looks like we'll establish a presence in Kuwait, we already have one in Saudi/Turkey...our CIA trains al QUEADA, did bushes CIA train the 9/11 pilots ????
Saudi Royals were given the rights to Saudi Arabia by the Brits after WWII, the SAUDI Royals were put into power BYTHEBRITS...they trust and follow the U.S., they have no idea that bushCO and CRONYS don't represent the country.
Protecting the Kuwaiti's??????????:
We go into Iraq with Stormin Norman....and kill 400,000 thousand Iraqis and
STOP SHORT OF Bagdhad....you know why, WE'RE GOING BACK...that's why we stopped...
and now that we occupy, are embedded in Kuwait,
we put the country of Iraq into a stasis with embargoes, until the need to harvest it,
then, WORLD ECONOMY is shifting, things are ripe....China Pakistan, and India are emerging...OIL IS MONEY !!!!!
THEN, the family needed to intervene....in this case the international riche, which includes the Saudis, Kuwaitis, and the US Affluent that stand to make a bit of cash....mind you the Germans, English and French have their hands in this...
but your buddy dubya, is the gawdfathers only VISIBLE son....the others did work behind the scences...opening security systems, erasing tapes, giving pass keys, fixing elections...
so U.S.A. intervenes on NATIONAL TELEVISION...bombs going off, constant coverage, city surrounded, surveillance on every living thing that's bigger than a booger..
and somehow, miracle of miracles, like the virgin mary turning up on your french toast:
Saddam escapes from Bagdhad with THREE [3] tractor trailer LOADs of cash.
$9 BILLION$ in CASH right? Anyone in dubyas extended family gotten riche lately?
the museums were emptied right? ha ha ha...that's rich...how much were those art objects worth????
as far as conspiracy goes,
there never was a COCAINE/CIA/NORIEGA/BUSH Sr. connection right? and the Chilean president wasn't asassinated in DC with full CIA knowledge, while POOPPY WAS DIRECTOR, and where'd that white up little George W. Bushes nose, come from? most likely NORIEGA.
the thing of it is,
the United States suckered, under George H.W. Bush, Saddam Hussein into attacking Kuwait, so he could look like the "heroes", and become military occupiers...and be guaranteed a second term, OOOPs, termus interruptus, and Bill Clinton kicks his a**, then fraud to set an election because Al Gore looks good with a booming economy and then the shyyytehouse hits the fan and here we are today....
walking down the road with no impetus to replacing our dependence on oil, a non-renewable resource....because it's not to the benefit of the countries leaders
this has a lot to do with _families_ working together _not related by blood_, as well as politics that don't include you as a positive recipient of thier efforts, as well as...
helping you to understand that it ain't all cowboy hats and honesty leading you...it's the LORD OF LIES, Lord of the Flies.....BEEEBLEEZUBdubya
Saddam was deliberately mislead into attacking Kuwiat, by then, President George H.W. Bush, he told April Glaspie to indicate that he would look the other way if Saddam wanted to reacquire some land and oil wells that he thought the Kuwiatis had taken.....so bushCO und CRONYs would have an excuse to extend our influence.
did he tell Saddam Hussein the truth?
HECK no....when you're a wuss, gotta sucker punch...trick connive, CON SPIRE!!!
it wasn't to George H.W.'s advantage.
the bushes intimately understand the middle eastern tribe mentality, they have trbal mentality, they protect and work with their own....they use the government to get what they want for their tribe
ps. you're not included in their tribe....
morons in charge and morons voted them in...using demagoguery as a political tool needs to be exposed....predjudice as a tool.
wake up and address some wrongs...
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Posted by: your saviour | December 2, 2007 4:47 PM
What Mr. Rove doesn't seem to get it that, at this point in history, there are few people remaining who actually believe anything he says.
And fewer still who actually care.
The damage done to this country over the past 7 years by President Bush and those who surrounded him is legacy enough. We don't need or want Mr. Rove's current spin added the mix.
Posted by: Rick | December 2, 2007 4:58 PM
Let's say I'm the self-appointed policeman on my block and I think my
neighbor is developing neighborhood nuclear superiority. So I bust into
his house, depose him as head of the household, and look around. To my
embarrassment, I don't find any evidence of wrongdoing. Nevertheless
instead of apologizing and returning home I start to examine the
household assets, set up shop in the spare bedroom despite the conflicts
I have with his children, and tell them I'm going to stay around for a
while until they get everything back in order. Let's say they fix some,
but not all of the damage I've wrought. Have I won?
Though the reality is worse than the analogy; the US sought to invade prior to seeking evidence of Iraq's development of nuclear arms. Rove's argument is deceptive and irrelevant; whatever support there was for going into Iraq was supported by his lies and by the administration's lies. The Dems backed off as soon as they realized the truth. 'Not privileged' indeed; Rove is a liar and a criminal.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 2, 2007 4:59 PM
when you're trying to determine someone's veracity.
Look at their record.
any forensic detective can tell you that motive and method is visible within context.
the deceiver,
has never accomplished anything without his fathers' influence.
his father still receives DAILY CIA BREIFINGS....the son couldn't find his zipper if someone weren't there to help him...rove is a great zipper finder
it's what he does...he thinks for people that can't
not well, not honestly, but he fashions
paper flowers out of poopy, and in and around the bushes and their extended family is a
lot of pooooooopy....so Karl gets a lot of kudos for his pooooooooooopy rearranging.
give him hard prison time.
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Posted by: a word to the wise | December 2, 2007 5:05 PM
Here we go again, the good old Karl Rove lying machine is working. Please let me remind Mr. Rove that he can not get away with it this time, as all the records are on the tapes or documented. Besides, the key to the arguement is that at the time the GOP were in control of both of both congress and the presidency.Eventhough, you are the best spinner since GOD, Mr. Rove, you can not change history this time. The responsibility of manufacturing the Irag war totally lays on the shoulds of the Bush administration including you.Your old trick of lying 10,000 times will automatically becomes truth won't work this time. I know you are afraid to face histroy now, please have some guts.You did it, you take the responibility. Do you still remember what you boss Bush said to Bob Woodwards, and I quote," Who cares,by that time we be all dead..." President Bush has the courage to face the history, why are you so scared?
Posted by: Johnycheng | December 2, 2007 5:30 PM
Rove - the quintessential liar.
Granted, Democrats presented little opposition to the Bush II Administration's push toward an invasion of Iraq but it is no secret that it was the Bush II Administration (riding on nationalist fervor after 9/11) which pushed for the Iraqi war by utilizing a huge pack of lies in order to garner a solid block of public support for the invasion.
It is amazing, the efforts of Rove & the GOP to propagandize issues such as this in an attempt to change history in their favor.
Posted by: book134 | December 2, 2007 5:35 PM
Some of you are scary. Be careful be very careful, they are coming for you.
Posted by: Deans1 | December 2, 2007 5:36 PM
Look, the truth is that Benjamin Franklin and Tom Jefferson started this war with Iraq because they sided with the Masonic Seminoles and the Oshkosh branch of the Hells Angels. And that's the truth. And Karl Rove is an agent of the Church of Scientology.
Posted by: Jon | December 2, 2007 5:42 PM
In order to carry out the Big Lie, you have to stick with it all the way through.
Goebbels would be proud of Turd Blossom.
Posted by: turd breast | December 2, 2007 5:57 PM
Deans1 can you be more specific ????
I'd like to help you arrive at the ability to verify your thought processes.
Hey Karl, long time no smell....you need jailtime for character development, preferably serving your betters, which would be anyone with a pulse.
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Posted by: hey | December 2, 2007 6:31 PM
This blog post contains a serious factual error and needs to be corrected.
Karl Rove did not "stand firm" on Fox News Sunday and defend his recent assertions on the Charlie Rose show. Instead, he simply denied saying what he had said previously.
On the Charlie Rose show, Rove said "the administration was opposed to voting on it in the fall of 2002". When Representative Van Hollen accurately paraphrased what Rove had said, Rove said "that's not what I said" and then when on to *mischaracterize* what he previously had said, claiming he had merely said that the administration weren't the only ones who wanted the vote before the midterms. So Rove had previously asserted (falsely) that the administration didn't want a vote. When he was challenged, he denied saying what he had said and claimed (falsely) only that he had said many in Congress also wanted a vote.
Please fix the post to reflect more accurately the discrepancy between Rove's "Charlie Rose" assertions and Rove's "Fox News Sunday" denial of what he said previously.
Thanks.
Posted by: Joe | December 2, 2007 6:36 PM
can figure out what the morons in the
shyyytehouse are up to. It's all there.
here, is the transcript of the meeting between April Glaspie and Saddam Hussein, in which he asks her what to do about Kuwiat drilling into IRAQI oil:
read it:
US Ambassador April Glaspie's Interview with Pres. Saddam Hussein ...22 -- On July 25,President Saddam Hussein of Iraq summoned the United States Ambassador to Baghdad, April Glaspie, to his office in the last high-level ...
chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/glaspie.html
if you need help thinking I am sure that jon/dean1 will be able to provide you some
"appeal to emotion," to mislead you.
.if you need help jon/dean1 to understand what "appeal to emotion" is
compare your lack of content to anyone elses.
.or look it up on the net. just type in the words:
"appeal to emotion," and read a few entries.
don't post again, until you can actually bring content to your post...okay?
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Posted by: anyone with a brain | December 2, 2007 6:38 PM
"Fascism should rather be called corporatism, as it is the merging of government and corporate power." --Benito Mussolini
Posted by: an oldy but goody | December 2, 2007 6:47 PM
Laura? Was that comment from Laura Bush. Yes, we and the British used the no-fly zone and knocked out several radar and arms placements. You talk about easily defeating Saddam in the early weeks of the war. Waht does that tell you: that ge had no significant arms or military to fight us or anyone else. Where were all those Russian and Chinese arms you mentioned. You failed to mention that Cheney, Rumsfeld, Pearl all tried to get Pres. Clinto to invade Iraq. They found a willing patsy in Bush, who looked for a convenient excuse as soon as he took office. OBL just happened to give him one and now Rove, and you, are practicing revisionist history.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 2, 2007 7:13 PM
Hey wingnut deans1, you and you 28%-ers with true Bush Derangement Syndrome (idiots who are deranged enough to actually believe everything coming out of the Decider's mouth) have put the words "conservative" and "Republican" in the toilet. Thanks!
Posted by: good job | December 2, 2007 7:19 PM
actually dean1 was rove. that's how stupid he is...
really...he's posted here before...he actually lies, as if it can't be checked...
how do you handle a grown up that thinks lying is an actual refutation? don't bother, jail him.
Posted by: percentagewise. | December 2, 2007 7:29 PM
No, not "Rove Stands Firm..." but "Rove Continues to Lie..."
Journalism 101. Call a spade a spade...even when it's a spade!
Posted by: Paul Wilsbach | December 2, 2007 8:21 PM
2003, 2004, 2005, 2006---all we heard was how we're making progress in Iraq. But now that this misbegotten quagmire is in it's 5th year, NOW we hear it's not Bush's fault.
Posted by: janek51 | December 2, 2007 8:39 PM
Neither Rove nor the Washington Post/Newsweek seems to understand that the cretin's fifteen minutes of fame is over.
Time to button it and crawl back into the cesspool you slithered out of, Karl.
You may not get it or be willing to accept it, but no one cares.
Posted by: RAS | December 2, 2007 8:40 PM
"This blog post contains a serious factual error and needs to be corrected.
Karl Rove did not "stand firm" on Fox News Sunday and defend his recent assertions on the Charlie Rose show. Instead, he simply denied saying what he had said previously."
Joe,6:36 p.m.
Yes.
"Stands firm" just helps to perpetuate the
Big Lie.
Posted by: gordonminor | December 2, 2007 10:01 PM
Here is the Post's report on Rove's remarks from Nov 30
"Former White House aide Karl Rove said yesterday it was Congress, not President Bush, who wanted to rush a vote on the looming war in Iraq in the fall of 2002, a version of events disputed by leading congressional Democrats and even some former Rove colleagues.
Rove said that the administration did not want lawmakers to vote on a resolution authorizing the use of force against Iraq that soon because it would "make things move too fast," before Bush could line up international allies, and politicize the issue ahead of midterm elections. But Democrats and some Republicans involved with the issue at the time said yesterday that Bush wanted a quick vote."
Now Karl Rove is quoted by the Post saying:
"The general conventional wisdom is that the president was the only person pushing the Congress to vote on the war resolution before the November election," the former senior Bush administration aide said on "Fox News Sunday." "And that's simply not true. [Former Senate majority leader] Tom Daschle in June [of 2002] said there's broad support for regime change in Iraq."
How can you characterize the second as Rove "standing firm". He clearly lied in his first remarks and now is claiming something completely different.
The Posts OWN TWO REPORTS on what Rove said clearly show the difference in his two claims. Yet you headline his second claim as "Rove Stands Firm on Demcrats Pushing to War In 2002".
Posted by: Wapo | December 2, 2007 10:26 PM
Where oh WHERE is the democrat with enough balls to look KKKarl in his piggy eyes and call him the LIAR that he is?
Hollens handled him with kid gloves...why??
Posted by: ccatmoon | December 2, 2007 10:54 PM
Yes, the headline shoud read:
ROVE STICKS TO DISHONEST REVISION OF HISTORY
Posted by: RBS | December 2, 2007 10:57 PM
should say,
Rove sucks it up! and swallows.
in a nutshell.
but really, the poster who said the Washington Post had two contrasting articles, that poster summed it up nicely...what Rove did was fabricate...an obvious lie...
as I said earlier, what do you do whan an adult lies as if it's a refutation? stand politely by?
he just furnished you positive proof that he's a liar. act on it.
come on kids. 1 + 1 ='s 2 , rove lied in your face....and you don't have the stones to say:
"Karl Rove fabricates to Washington Post!"
is he bigger than you? smarter than you? or are you just to P.C. to stand up for the truth ???
scared of the putter meister ??? that's butter knife in cherman.
listen closely, walk up and slap him so hard he falls down....parenthetically speaking of course...it'll do you good. Like kicking the wicked witch of the west. C'mon Dorothy do it !!!! It's a journey I know, but take the first step.
he insults AMERICA's NOBEL PRIZE WINNERS.
he stigmitizes the BEST ECONOMIC PRESIDENT THE UNITED STATES HAS EVER HAD !
he pays prostitutes to come the whitehouse and shine his percentages of ugliness...
.WTF.
Posted by: the headline | December 2, 2007 11:16 PM
if I were you,
Karl Rove would be kissing _my_ ring.
.don't be such bay bee's.
watch me: war fraud, occupation, money laundering, stealing, drug money
simple see? it's a fact, all of these things. verfiable. like the wapo poster said.........it's all right there in front of you...
no lawsuits await you.
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Posted by: listen | December 2, 2007 11:20 PM
When is someone going to call a lie a lie?
Why are Democrats stooping to defend themselves against such blatant lies?
Someone, anyone, even someone like Clinton or Obama needs to step up and call Rove out for the liar that he is. I know that many, many Americans are sick and tired of this tip-toeing around the outlandish lies of this Administration and the entire Republican hate machine.
A Lie is a lie.
Posted by: CDallas | December 2, 2007 11:36 PM
Karl Rove is a liar, again.
First of all, the resolution was not an approval to go to war.
Second, Bush/cheney ignored the stipulations of the resolution that had to be met FIRST before going to war.
Thus, the Iraqi war was in fact started by Bush/cheney and not the Democrats, and since the stipulations were not met, the war was and still is illegal according to U.S. law as well as international law, making Bush/cheney, and Rove war criminals.
Posted by: Kevin Schmidt, Ojai CA | December 2, 2007 11:49 PM
"President Bush gave Saddam a chance to seek exile and leave Iraq. Diplomacy was tried, but the Democrats will never admit it."
Fair enough. Let's give GW until December 15 to abdicate and leave the country before we impeach him. Oh, hell, let's be diplomatic and give him until the 16th!
Posted by: thrh | December 3, 2007 12:03 AM
If GW doesn't agree to settle this amicably, I've been studying 17th-century remedies for political malfeasance. "Half-hanging" was popular, coupled with disembowellment and quartering, followed by decapitation. Sounds about right for most of the Bush administration, though perhaps a bit merciful.
Posted by: thrh | December 3, 2007 12:08 AM
Karl Rove defended his recent assertion that Democrats in Congress pushed the country to war with Iraq faster than the White House wanted.>>
Assertion?? It was a lie! Why didn't you say that, Zachary A. Goldfarb?
Posted by: Wil Burns | December 3, 2007 12:20 AM
Karl Roverer do?
he lied. There is no mystery here. He's a liar....he has lied to me online several times.....it's what he does.
As amazing as it seems, that's all there is to this guy and most of the Republicscammer hate machine....
Tom Dealaide? He broke his oath of office twice, and not a single reporter or Congress person called him on it. It's like truth just evaporated and a lie "was good enough," to pass for truth.
watch:
1. Tom DealAide, said that Congress should pressure the Judicial System using the Congressional appropriations, and what not....paying judges, to control "liberal," judges....force them through controlling monies to adhere to what the Republicscammer Complicit Congress wanted them to do....
violation of SEPERATION OF POWERS
2. Tom Deal Aide, said from the pulpit of a church on TELEVISION that the church should become a tool of the political process and force the politicians to bow down to them....
violation of SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE, and violation of FREEDOM OF RELIGION.
Tom Deal Aide, swore to uphold the Constitution....he violate dthat oath. And those who stood by silently violated it right along with him. You don't stand up for your country when it's safe....you stand up for it when someone violates it.
Rove used the same framing as the nazis, the same tactics as Goebbels
and you [ some writers ] all bought it like it was salted peanuts at a ballgame and you were drinking beer....
Michael Moore demonstrated some chutzpah, along with some others...you all stood by as the
liars in charge smeared him, even though every single point in his movies was the M.F.Truth
W.T.F.?????
.
Posted by: what did | December 3, 2007 12:33 AM
Isn't he a one trick pony?
All Rove seems to know how to do is lie & stick to it. Lie, lie, lie, lie, lie. There have been so many, it is hard to keep track.
Posted by: MJ | December 3, 2007 12:56 AM
I see Rove still has his talent for fiction comedy
Posted by: Ben Matheny | December 3, 2007 2:44 AM
ccatmoon said: "Where oh WHERE is the democrat with enough balls to look KKKarl in his piggy eyes and call him the LIAR that he is? Hollens handled him with kid gloves...why??"
Because a Democrat with a spine, a brain, and a sense of outrage does not exist in the Congress. So we have a choice between spineless jellyfish Democrats and whacko right wing lying fascist Republicans. We're screwed.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 3, 2007 4:05 AM
The people who believe these liars, still believe these liars.
Those of us who don't, don't.
Dick Cheney told them on August 26, 2002 that he knew exactly where Iraq's "wmd's" are -- and they still believe him!
Loyal Bushies are the stupidest people on the face of the planet -- and Karl Rove knows that better than anyone.
"Have another glass of delicious kool-aid, my little sweets."
And, ps, for the WaPo:
"Rove STANDS FIRM..."???
How about "Rove LIES THROUGH HIS FRIGGIN' TEETH..."???
Posted by: Jan | December 3, 2007 4:36 AM
ROVE STANDS FIRM ON THE QUICKSAND OF NEOCONSERVATIVE SELF-DELUSION
Karl Rove is, of course, a disgusgting, bloated, pig-eyed sophist. He is reputed to be one of the major arcitects of the brainwashing campaign used against Americans about terrorism ----- and most certainly a sponsor of Bush's genocidal actions against Iraq.
He is also still under congressional investigation ------- which means he shouldn't be able to profit from what may well someday be crimes.
Have any of you ever seen the horrid, white maggots that feast on carrion? Rove makes them go "yuk."
Posted by: psy_war | December 3, 2007 5:52 AM
Rove is Smoking Crack and writing Fiction
Posted by: Ben Matheny | December 3, 2007 12:18 PM
his tongue is literally forked and you cannot call him a liar!?
wapo is unduly influenced, time to follow the money and find out why!
he is lying and not one writer in your shop has guts enough to just say it?
enablers, BAD stenographers, but certainly not journalist.
Posted by: preAmerikkkan | December 3, 2007 12:23 PM
And yet they still wonder why they lost the House and the Senate.
Posted by: Ben Matheny | December 3, 2007 12:23 PM
We are witnessing the birth of a Big Lie and the WaPo is one of the midwives.
Posted by: McCamy Taylor | December 3, 2007 5:51 PM
The American people are hoping they can put aside their blood pressure medication and forget about the last 8 yrs, and leave history to sort through the sordid facts.
What the American people want most of all is not to hear the words, Bush, Cheney, Rove, Ari, Paul W., Chalabi etc.
Posted by: jillcalifornia | December 3, 2007 8:09 PM
The headline should read: "Rove Continues to Lie About War".
Posted by: reporter1 | December 3, 2007 9:21 PM
This guy - these people - remind me of what you'd find in a boiler-room sales marketing office.
Throw enough crap on the wall, some of it sticks. What falls away, who cares?
This admin is the polar opposite of credibility. So are it's minions.
Posted by: chauncykat | December 16, 2007 2:49 PM
now rove is in contempt...of a congress that admits it won't do anything about it.
sadly, his central argument is valid.
the democrats are complicit.
who read the patriot act before it was ratified? no one. class dismissed.
Posted by: forestbloggod | December 17, 2007 1:54 AM
Comon how long the WashPost are going to let this guy Lie, they lied, cheated and manipulated the intelegence and revealed CIA agent name to the Press to take us to IRAQ and now they claim it was the Democrat who rushed to WAR, comon please sombody frpm the POST get Clue
Posted by: tony | December 20, 2007 1:30 PM
Karl the Rover should take up rap again. He basically killed the genr'e at the whitehouse correspondence dinner. Taking it up again would assure it's demise. But,
he is a better rapper than a political operative! Ha! Maybe he and OJ Simpson could start a company together. They are very much alike. OJ is much better looking though.
Posted by: tgroup | December 21, 2007 12:11 AM
Perhaps someone should water board Rove and see if that jogs his memory. He has no shame and is making himself look ridiculous with these claims that it was the Democrats that were in a big yank to go to war. When did Bush first advise the Pentagon to draw up the plans and order the hot dog buns?
Posted by: Sara B. | December 23, 2007 6:15 PM
Karl should know well about how much Ari Fleischer was kept out of the loop. Remember, it was Rove himself who lied to Ari's face about not being a source for the outing of Valerie Plame.
At least one thing should keep Karl up late at night: There is no stature of limitations for treason. And unlike Scooter, he can't rely with any certainty on having a pardon-happy President in the White House to help him out if he's tried after '08. Heh.
Posted by: KR20852 | December 24, 2007 1:43 AM
With the assertion that the Democrats Pushed us to War, Rove is sure to have his Guns taken away by the new legislation against the Mentally ill having Gun Rights.
Posted by: Ben Matheny | December 24, 2007 1:14 PM
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Rove is a bloated tick and a liar--so what's new? He'll lie until the end of his days. He'll prevaricate on his deathbed, even as that silver stake is being driven through where his heart would be if he had one. Sadly, this hardly news.