Richardson Scorns Clinton Aides, Defends Clinton

By Zachary A. Goldfarb
New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson said today that the people around Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton practice "gutter" politics and that they feel entitled to the presidency, a day after an informal adviser to her campaign compared Richardson to Judas for endorsing Sen. Barack Obama.

James Carville told the New York Times that Richardson, a former member of Bill Clinton's Cabinet, had committed "an act of betrayal," adding that it "came right around the anniversary of the day when Judas sold out [Jesus] for 30 pieces of silver, so I think the timing is appropriate, if ironic."

"I'm not going to get in the gutter like that," Richardson responded on "Fox News Sunday." "And you know, that's typical of many of the people around Senator Clinton. They think they have a sense of entitlement to the presidency."

"I am very loyal to the Clintons," said Richardson, but he said he wanted something beyond "Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton." "You know, what about the rest of us?" he asked.

He called for "a new generation of leadership," and added, "I think Obama represents this new change of not just bipartisanship, but bringing people together, bringing races together, bringing America's role in the world to be respected again."

Richardson defended the Clinton campaign against the accusation of an Obama ally who suggested that Bill Clinton was calling Obama's patriotism into question.

The former president said Friday, "I think it would be a great thing if we had an election year where you had two people who loved this country and were devoted to the interest of this country. And people could actually ask themselves who is right on these issues, instead of all this other stuff that always seems to intrude itself on our politics."

Those remarks, according to retired Air Force Gen. Merrill "Tony" McPeak, sounded like those of Joseph McCarthy, the 1950s senator who led a crusade against communists.

"I don't believe President Clinton was implying that" Obama is unpatriotic, Richardson said.

"The campaign has gotten too negative," the New Mexico governor said, and he placed most of the blame for that on the Clinton campaign.

"I just feel the time has come to come together behind a candidate," Richardson said.

"The Obama campaign tries to have it both ways," Pennsylvania Gov. Edward Rendell (D), a Clinton supporter, complained. "They say the campaign's too negative, and they go out and turn an innocent remark" into something else.

"We wish the issues of race and all of this other stuff would be pushed to the background so we could have a discussion of who's got the most experience, who's got the best health care plan, who has the best plan for the economy," Rendell continued. "And instead they launch this all-out attack trying to take an inference out of President Clinton's words that no fair person could take."

Rendell acknowledged that "it's very difficult" for Clinton to overcome Obama in the popular vote or pledged delegates even if she wins his state's primary by a commanding margin on April 22.

But he said the Obama campaign is inconsistent with how it wants superdelegates, the party officials who have a vote at the Democratic convention, to line up. The Obama campaign says superdelegates' votes should reflect the will of the people, Rendell said, but only when it's convenient.

"[W]e have Senator [Ted] Kennedy and Senator [John] Kerry saying they're going to vote for Obama even though Senator Clinton won by 13 points in Massachusetts," Rendell said. "If we follow the Obama line, Bill Richardson should be for Senator Clinton."

As for his own state, Rendell said, "Senator Clinton is going to win a solid majority. And when you combine that with Ohio and Texas and Florida and Michigan and all of the other key states that we have to win in November, it sends a very important message that if we want to win -- and I think that's what Democrats care most about -- that Hillary Clinton's our best candidate to win."

The shaky economy and the fifth anniversary of the invasion of Iraq, which passed this last week, were also topics for discussion on the Sunday shows.

Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) said on ABC's "This Week" that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke risks overstepping in the wide range of actions he is undertaking to soften the financial downturn and avert a crisis.

"I don't think he's gone too far, but ... balance here is really critical," Kyl said. "Taxpayers cannot be put on the hook to bail people out who were, in effect, speculating on this very hot housing market."

Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) said the Fed, and the Bush administration overall, has not "done enough, and in fact, it shouldn't have come to this."

"Had the administration acted more proactively earlier, particularly about the housing crisis, when many of us were asking them to, we wouldn't have gotten up to this point," Schumer said. "And unfortunately, this administration has sort of a Herbert Hoover mentality -- don't do anything."

But Kyl said that Democrats are the ones in the government to blame for the crisis in the credit markets.

"It wasn't the Bush administration as much as it was Democrats in Congress who were pushing the lending institutions to get out there and lend more money, even to unqualified buyers -- to the minorities, to the poor, to the young -- so that everyone could own a home," he said.

On the war in Iraq, Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) said in addition to the success of the U.S. military strategy "there's been major political breakthroughs."

Among them, he cited passage of a de-Baathification law and a budget, increased cooperation among ethnic groups, an amnesty law for some prisoners, and plans to hold elections in October.

But Sen. Jack Reed (D-R.I.) said "the problem with Iraq is, every time you turn the corner, there's another corner. And I don't think politically that they've made the progress they have to make."

Graham warned that if either Clinton or Obama is elected and initiates a speedy withdrawal from Iraq, it will be a "complete disaster. ... I want to win in Iraq. I believe we can win in Iraq. The model we've created is leading to success and will eventually lead to victory. We undercut it, we're going to go backward, not forward."

[CBS Host Chip (added later)] Reid replied, "But how long would you give for it? I know everybody quotes Senator McCain as saying 100 years. Obviously, he wasn't talking about combat for 100 years. But how long would you foresee combat where American troops are fighting and dying in large numbers? Five years, 10 years, more?"

By Post Editor |  March 23, 2008; 2:01 PM ET
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I keep hearing experience, when Hillary Clinton is concerned. There is not so very much experience to find, only a lot of exaggerations.

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Posted by: old_europe | March 23, 2008 2:55 PM

Anyway you cut it, the Democrats of the nation are leaning more and more towards Clinton, as these charts point out;

Hillary vs. Barack:
The Google Factor...

http://newsusa.myfeedportal.com/viewarticle.php?articleid=57

Posted by: davidmwe | March 23, 2008 2:57 PM

Part of the Obama snow job where he portrayed Rev. Wright's paranoid rants as coming from anger that is the baggage as the legacy of of old white racism, carried by old blacks. Well, there is current-day stuff that is alive and well, carried by the young blacks, that is a lot worse than the racism, sexism and homophobic intolerance of the older generation of blacks. It's called Hip Hop, Gangsta and Street culture. It's full of racism, paranoia, anger, violence, abuse of women, sexism and a whole lot of dysfunctional antisocial expression schemes. The social psychological disordered behavior that Rev. Wright's hate-speech-as-sermons represents is alive and well in the current-day generation in Black America. It's just in a newer carnation.

Posted by: gary | March 23, 2008 2:58 PM

Richardson is Obama's Cheney.

Neither one has any credibility.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 3:00 PM


Bingo

Posted by: fbenjul | March 23, 2008 3:03 PM


Bingo

Posted by: fbenjul | March 23, 2008 3:03 PM


Bingo

Posted by: fbenjul | March 23, 2008 3:03 PM

Had Richardson endorsed Clinton, the Clintonistas would haved hailed him as a visionary, but since he endorsed Obama, the same cabal calls Rihardson "Judas", "Brutus", "Benedict Arnold" and other inglorious traitors. Perhaps Gov. Richardson sees the larger picture, such as the good and welfare of the Demcratic Party. The same Clintonistas do not make much of a stink of Hillary endorsing McCain like an operative over Obama (thereby committing political fratricide). This is the typical Clinton vorld view: unquestioned loyalty to them without so much as one speck of reciprocity (yes, the Clintons will throw their own under the bus; just as Lani Gunier and Webster Hubbell, for examples).

Posted by: MelDupree | March 23, 2008 3:03 PM

Rendell better work hard, because by election day Hillary is going to get a whoppin by Obama.

Posted by: Paul J. Nolan | March 23, 2008 3:04 PM

I am disappointed in Bill Richardson. He simply talks too much for his own good. Likes the sound of his own voice too much to stop talking. Didn't take him long to adopt the Obama rhetoric and sound bites.

The gutter politics that Richardson refers to is practiced by the Obama camp just as much if not more. The recent pilings-on by the Obama camp has been nothing short of childishness and pettiness.

The Clintons enjoy a huge amount of support amongst the Hispanics because of a long track record of helping that community. Like Asians, I bet the Hispanics aren't fickle in their loyalty. In contrast to Richardson's stated reason (i.e. he was so bowled over by Obama's speech), the real reason he waited until now is because the Florida and Michigan re-vote proposition is dead in the water, stone walled in Michigan by the Obama followers. Since Richardson couldn't win the nomination in his own right (has anyone listened to his debates? They are a snoozer), he is hoping to ride Obama's coattails.

If Obama doesn't win the general election (I have doubts he will), Richardson will be sorry he betted on the wrong horse.

Posted by: alee21 | March 23, 2008 3:05 PM

Bingo!

Posted by: fbenjul | March 23, 2008 3:06 PM

Bingo!

Posted by: fbenjul | March 23, 2008 3:06 PM

Clinton and their cronies are an arrogant disgusting bunch of clowns. If they continue their little campaign of hate then this country is going to get lunatic John McCain and his 100 years of war.

Posted by: Mike | March 23, 2008 3:08 PM

Bill Richardson is disingenuous. He says he wants to unite the party, he wants the Democrats to win, but instead of trying to pull Clinton supporters and the Obama supporters together, he not only alienates Clinton supporters, he fosters bitterness between the two sides. Many believe that Clinton is far better for the country. Obama offers words, he has not done anything, he has not been seasoned on the national and international level. Obama needs to be seasoned. A true Democrat - not Richarson - would work to bring the two sides together.

Posted by: W. Shea | March 23, 2008 3:08 PM

Richardson is talking out of both sides of his mouth. I watched that interview. He was saying that super-delegates should vote like their voters and but then he should be voting for Clinton. He accused the Clintons of campaigning dirty, but Friday Obama's campaign called Clinton a liar and accused her of having bad character. I mean, the Obama campaign on Friday stooped to a level of gratuitously insulting personal negativity that no other candidates (Republican or Democrat) has sunk to this campaign season. But Richardson called Clinton's campaign "gutter".

Richardson's obviously not anywhere near being impartial and has not only turned against his old patrons who gave him a start in politics, but is very eagerly stabbing them in the back in ways that would be personally hurtful.

Posted by: Annette | March 23, 2008 3:08 PM

Davidmwe,

Those charts point out nothing. "More and more Democrats are leaning towards Clinton?" Just how do you derive that from something that is even less scientific than the Zogby polls (if that is possible)?

Posted by: HisRoc | March 23, 2008 3:09 PM

Rendell is RIGHT ON. Obama can't have it both ways.

Can't criticize Clinton for negative campaigning and then do it himself.(eg the 'Mccarthy' BS).

Can't cry foul on race and then use phrases like 'typical white person' or affiliate with racists.

Can't say superdelegates should vote with their constituents and then accept those who are NOT voting with their constituents.

This is not 'new' politics. What a sham.

Posted by: Ann | March 23, 2008 3:11 PM

I read the online headline and then the article. The Post's headline is totally misleading. Your paper's subtle anti-Hillary bias is becoming blatant. The Pennsylvania governor is correct. Media like the Post really do distort simple statements.

Posted by: Jonathan | March 23, 2008 3:13 PM

Well, Democratic party unity is not being well served so far. Even as a Republican, I hope this situation is on the mend well before the election. I have voted for Democrats before and may well again this time, if it looks like the best choice would be a Democrat. It would be nice to think a Democrat could win this time if need be. Can't have half the party po'd against the other half and expect a win.

Posted by: Bill Mosby | March 23, 2008 3:13 PM

John McCain must be getting a laugh out of all of this. The man endorsed by President Bush, and who lauded Bush's administration, may just win because the Dems can't get beyond the bickering and focus on something important: it's not about them, it's about the country.

Posted by: Steve | March 23, 2008 3:16 PM

If Hillary wants to keep talking about how great her health care plan is, she ought to disclose how much money she's taken from HMO Pac's while in the Senate. Besides, in addition to being in the pocket of the industry, she's already had her shot at reforming health care, and she failed miserably.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 3:17 PM

If Hillary wants to keep talking about how great her health care plan is, she ought to disclose how much money she's taken from HMO Pac's while in the Senate. Besides, in addition to being in the pocket of the industry, she's already had her shot at reforming health care, and she failed miserably.

Posted by: Dave | March 23, 2008 3:17 PM

Bill Richardson is Judas

Obama is a fraud. All those who believe his "words" are idealistic idiots

Obama should win the dem nomination and be thrashed by McCain in Nov

Posted by: NOWAYOBAMA | March 23, 2008 3:18 PM

The Obama campaign has shown itself to be the most negative of the bunch. What a hypocrite.

Posted by: Cathy | March 23, 2008 3:18 PM

Bill Richardson must be on peyote if he thinks Obama is a "uniter". He can't even unite his own party, let alone the other side.

Posted by: Typical White Person | March 23, 2008 3:19 PM

Senator Clinton has been subjected to and continues to be subjected to some of the most mean spirited, demeaning, sexist attacks from the media and Clinton haters. Rather than allow herself to be swiftboated, she strikes back. President Clinton campaigns for his spouse just as all the other candidates spouses do and the media and Clinton haters decide that it is wrong and take out of context things he says. Somehow, Mr. and Mrs. Clinton are held to a different standard.

No, the people around Clinton are just like everyone else but they are being held to a different standard. Of course it has also been decided that Obama is off limits and can not be subjected to the vigors of a campaign as any other candidate is. If Obama's people think things are bad now, I would hate to see what they will do once Republicans gear up.

Bill Richardson, you can endorse anyone you want but don't try to fight your guilt by blaming the Clinton's for your decision.

Posted by: catmontx | March 23, 2008 3:19 PM

When are the superdelegates going to realize that they need to coalesce around Barack Obama, and for the sake of the Democratic party it's better to do so sooner rather than later?

Barack Obama has won, and will continue to have won, more contests, more elected delegates, and more of the popular vote. By interceding now, the Democratic leadership can stop the Clintons from pushing voters away from Obama and toward McCain.

If the superdelegates wait until June, or worse, the convention, they'll still end up needing to support Obama. Otherwise, they will implode the Democratic party for going against the will of the people. The future of the party-- the millennials-- would be disenfranchised and turn away from the Democrats in droves.

If the superdelegates wait to support Obama, the Clintons will have inflicted significant damage against him with their destructive kitchen sink strategy, while McCain waits in the wings to benefit from the fruits of their labor.

The superdelegates would be wise to step in NOW and end this vanity exercise of the Clintons. The Clinton strategy is clear, to sabotage Obama sufficiently that they either steal the nomination for 2008, or damage his chances sufficiently that he will lose the general election and Hillary can run again in 2012.

Superdelegates should see that the future of the Democratic party, the 2008 election, and the country is on the line. What are they waiting for?

Posted by: Karen S, Arlington | March 23, 2008 3:20 PM

Obama continues to surround himself with losers. Ted Kennedy lost his bid for President, so did John Kerry and now both Dodd and Richardson. Obama's campaign appears to be run by a bunch of resentful losers who could not win an election. Now the Obama campaign has gone very negative against Hillary. I guess a bunch of losers would really be upset if Hillary was able to accomplish what they were not.

Posted by: starbucks2 | March 23, 2008 3:20 PM

Obama continues to surround himself with losers. Ted Kennedy lost his bid for President, so did John Kerry and now both Dodd and Richardson. Obama's campaign appears to be run by a bunch of resentful losers who could not win an election. Now the Obama campaign has gone very negative against Hillary. I guess a bunch of losers would really be upset if Hillary was able to accomplish what they were not.

Posted by: starbucks2 | March 23, 2008 3:20 PM

Richardson needs to shut his fat, hairy, doublechinned mouth. His fat a$$ couldn't even get more than 2% of the vote.

Posted by: Bill R. is a big fat idiot | March 23, 2008 3:20 PM

Obama continues to surround himself with losers. Ted Kennedy lost his bid for President, so did John Kerry and now both Dodd and Richardson. Obama's campaign appears to be run by a bunch of resentful losers who could not win an election. Now the Obama campaign has gone very negative against Hillary. I guess a bunch of losers would really be upset if Hillary was able to accomplish what they were not.

Posted by: starbucks2 | March 23, 2008 3:20 PM

Hillary's arrogance and hubris are exceeded only by her desperation, at this point. And of course her staff is going to take the heat for their degenerate and sick remarks. That's Clintonian Politics 101.

Posted by: Dave | March 23, 2008 3:23 PM

Clinton is her own Cheney. She has no credibility.

Posted by: Bryan | March 23, 2008 3:24 PM

HisRoc, hi- you are right... it does not say who will vote for whom, however does say that more are looking into Clinton and visiting her website than a month ago, for instance.

No one can say with 100% who they will vote for until they come out of the box on election day.

Posted by: davidmwe | March 23, 2008 3:25 PM

Richardson is a fat, ugly traitor

Posted by: dklfjda | March 23, 2008 3:25 PM

If you want more of what this country has gone through, then vote for a 100 year occupation for US troops in Irag, sponsored by Sen. McCain.

Elect Sen. Clinton and your get her husband, which is a liability in any language. If you are looking for real change, bipartisanship, and a new vision for this country then cast your ballot for Sen. Obama

Posted by: Dale Moore | March 23, 2008 3:25 PM

Amen, Gov. Richardson. It is time the rest of the party elders urged Hillary to give it up already. She can't win without the nomination being handed to her and she is not more important than changing the direction of the country. The super delegates should put an end to this back biting and let her know now that they aren't going to hand the nomination to her.

Posted by: Sara B. | March 23, 2008 3:25 PM

Hillary and Bill have become huge jerks. They care a lot more about themselves and their careers that they do the political process.

During this election they have validated just about everything the Republican right has been saying about them all of these years. Its unbelievable. But then again we've seen it before.

In Bill's first month in office instead of creating an executive order to support gays in the military and take a stand against exclusion and persecution among the ranks based on sexual choice, he caved to the generals out of fear for his career.

And at a time when he could have made a significant impact on the state of the nation and the world, ultimately little Billy Clinton was more concerned with his D***. No surprise that Hillary, Carville and the others would be cut of the same amoral cloth.

Billy turned to race politics in South Carolina when his wife's career looked like it would (rightly) go up in smoke. So much for the first black president.

Posted by: Mr. Fair Minded Person | March 23, 2008 3:26 PM

Bill Richardson should worry more about having the hair on his back waxed and less about Clinton's aides. He's crossed over and now he's got to ride Obama's bus over a cliff. Enjoy the ride!

Posted by: Who is Bill Richardson Anyway? | March 23, 2008 3:26 PM

Duck everyone, lest you get hit with the mud that's being slung. Your Democratic Party at work!

Posted by: waterfrontproperty | March 23, 2008 3:26 PM

Bill Clinton has a past that predicts that when in political trouble, he does the same thing. He lies! Lies about Paula Jones (he settled for the entire amount), lies about having "sex" with Monica Lewinsky, and lies about his lies, such that his law license was removed from him.

So, Clinton lies again. What else is new. He is not unlike many politicians, but his analysis not trustworthy. He does have a dog in this fight, and apologies to all dogs everywhere.

Posted by: lxg | March 23, 2008 3:27 PM

I'm still waiting for Obama to apologize to me for his "typical white person" remark? I'm just a typical old racist white person Obama? Screw that, I'm voting McCain if you win.

Posted by: No to Obama | March 23, 2008 3:29 PM

Any reasonable person would find Bill Clinton's comments off-putting. It is exactly this kind of underhanded, suggestive, passive-aggressive politics that Clintons are masters of that turn voters off. Clinton's comments not only hurt his wife's compaign but also damage his own credibility as a senoir leader of the demoncratic party.

Posted by: Cara | March 23, 2008 3:29 PM

Why is it that whenever the Obama campaign goes after Clinton, it is just criticism.

However, any remark from the Clinton campaign is viewed as "gutter" politics.

They threw up a picture of Wright & Bill Clinton together; Obama calls Hillary Clinton a liar; Bill Clinton is referred to as a Joe McCarthy; Hillary Clinton's character is "questioned".

I am disgusted by the double standard and that the media has given Obama a pass!

How long was the Wash. Post aware of the racist pastor Wright? Since before Iowa and it sat on the story! Shame on the Post!

Posted by: Fred C. Dobbs | March 23, 2008 3:33 PM

It appears every day Mrs. Clinton spends attacking Mr. Obama, she seems to be making it easier for John McCain to be the next president of the US. Is it not time for Mrs. Clinton to suspend her campaign for the sake of the unity of the Democratic party?

Posted by: PJudice | March 23, 2008 3:34 PM

First I thought it was "all about the delegates." Then when Obama had more delegates "it is all because of black people." And then when Obama won states like Alaska and Utah, it became "all about the popular vote." Then when Obama went on to supercede Clinton by an unbridgeable nearly 1,000,000 votes, it became "all about winning the important states" (as if states like NY and CA wouldn't vote Democratic this fall), and so on.

It's getting tiresome. Let's follow the rules, and go with the candidate who has won a) the most delegates b) the most primaries c) the greatest margin of the popular vote and d) the largest number of private, grass-roots contributions from ordinary people and get behind Obama finally.

He's earned it.

Posted by: Charles Hammond | March 23, 2008 3:35 PM

us out here include your whole party bill.

Posted by: gary | March 23, 2008 3:37 PM

Hillary's blind ambition and dirty dancing around the truth cannot blind us to the simple truth that she would be a disaster if given the power of the presidency. All republicans must yearn for her nomination so they can win in a landslide and regain the majority in Congress. Don't let her Nixonesque dirty tricks fool us into ignoring her truly dark character.

Posted by: Chicago Democrat | March 23, 2008 3:37 PM

The Obama campaign has been practicing gutter politics as much, if not more than the Clinton campaign? Are you kidding me? What planet are you living on?

Posted by: Jeff | March 23, 2008 3:37 PM

IceNine wrote:
I'm a registered Independent. After reading the sludge in so many posts today, I think the Democratic Party may have to rename itself as the Demographic Party. (At least I tried to inject some humor...)

Let me get serious: Forget the tactical garbage that the Clintons are throwing. Take a longer view. Here's my estimate of the Clinton's deep game: They know the math is against them and cannot be overcome in the primaries (due to the proportional delegate system). So their only hope lies with the superdelegates.

Most analysis says that the way to win over superdelegates is to persuade them. I believe, however, that the Cintons' deep strategy is to use the remaining primaries as a veiled threat to the party establishment: "Give Hillary the nomination or we'll slash-and-burn up to (and during) the convention. We'll inflict carnage for months and leave nothing but wreckage in out wake--unless you come on board."

It might work. Consider how timid and pliant Congress has been to Bush, folding like a cheap tent on vote after vote after vote. The national Democratic leadership can be browbeaten and intimidated. The Clintons know it. I expect their campaign will get even nastier because it makes their threat more credible.

What extraordinary egomania to display when the nation is at this crossroads.

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That is a scary concept but I think you might be on to something. The Clinton campaign knows that they are losing. They are now threatening to destroy the Democratic party unless the nomination is given to the losing candidate.

Posted by: Hillary stop destroying the Democatic Party | March 23, 2008 3:38 PM

Bill Richardson did not serve as Ambassador to the UN or Secretary of Energy under Hillary Clinton he served during Bill Clinton's Presidency.. so I don't know where the Judas comments come from... They were after all rivals and Richardson was running for President too. Is it Hillary or Bill Clinton who is running for president?. James Carville needs to think before he speaks and stop the cry-baby politics. Mr. Carville, sir the year is 2008 not 1992.. Change with the times sir. Game, Set, -- advantage Obama.

Posted by: sunnyside1 | March 23, 2008 3:38 PM

If Richardson had endorsed Hillary. Her surogets would have called him John the Baptist. I think once all the comparissons are done in what Hillary really said during her White House years the American people will see that her truth telling is Bush lite. Tell people anything then sort it out later.

Posted by: Ed | March 23, 2008 3:39 PM

I'm betting that the person who posted a comment under the identity "Bill R. is a big fat idiot" is an angry Clinton campaign worker.

Did Bill get under your thin skin a little? Did his words hit a little too close to the mark for comfort?

Posted by: VerbalKint | March 23, 2008 3:39 PM

Folks, this is how the Democrats are going to lose in November despite eight years of the Bush regime. Hillary and Obama should both be ashamed of themselves for putting their self-interests and petty infighting before doing what is best for this country.

Posted by: Tirade | March 23, 2008 3:39 PM

If the public debate is discouraging, the tendentious biases and the close-mindedness of those making individual comments is deeply disheartening, with a likely outcome that intra-Democratic warfare will lead to the election of a Republican. For myself, I happen to distrust the Washington Post, but for those who say it has a pro-Obama bias, they should recall the FACT that the Post endorsed Hillary Clinton between the two!

Posted by: w | March 23, 2008 3:40 PM

Richardson is a obese slimy phony bum!

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 3:40 PM

Richardson is a obese slimy phony bum!

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 3:40 PM

"Clinton and their cronies are an arrogant disgusting bunch of clowns. If they continue their little campaign of hate then this country is going to get lunatic John McCain and his 100 years of war."

Mike, getting McCain into office in November IS Clinton's strategy! The only chance she still has, at age 60, of the White House is to damage Obama so much that McCain wins the White House this year. Then, after 4 years of struggling with a faltering economy and an agonizingly slow exit from Iraq, he will be weakened enough for her to run against in 2012. Most serious analysts are already seeing this, including Jim Vanderhei of the Post.

I fear that Clinton's fervid supporters don't understand what they are fighting for at this point. They are fighting for McCain in '08, Hillary in '12. I never thought I'd see this, but that's what's happening. Nominal democrats standing shoulder to shoulder with Rush Limbaugh working to get a Republican into the White House.

Posted by: Mark | March 23, 2008 3:40 PM

Bill Richardson is right to back Obama, as should right thinking people. Most people in America have no idea what the true history of this country is as it relates to the plight of African Americans. Some of the same people who are bashing Obama on Fox News, MSNBC, and the New York Times, are the same folk who would have been hanging Black people from trees, standing around as innocent Black men were being burned alive in the 1920's, and also preventing Black people from voting.

The world is different people, and we have to pick "new" leadership, even if it happens to be in another body, other than that of a white man.

Posted by: Yehu | March 23, 2008 3:40 PM

Sore loosers, that's what the Clintons are. They did everything known to man to either get Richradson to endorse them or withhold his endorsement and they failed in both. True to their practice, they proceeded to belittle Richardson. The same happened with every loss that they have sustained in this race: the voters were too Black, too young, too rich or just about anything you can think of. On the other hand, the states that they won or those who voted for her were the only ones that really matter. The "give me a break this is the biggest fairy tale" uttered by Bill in NH or the "Jackson won here too" fit the pattern. Yogi Berra would say this is "du deja vu all over again". Blaming Obama for the non revote in Florida and Michigan is right from their playbook: since when Obama makes parti rules?
If the Clintons had their way, all the contests should have been like Michigan: one candidate on the ballot, that's what you call an entitlement mentality. By the way where did the Wright video come from? I guess that if Obama survives this episode, there won't be much that the Republicans can do... There's only so much that a kitchen sink can hold before it goes empty.
General de Gaulle used to say that he could deal with outside ennemies but how do you defend against those within your own parti?

Posted by: JOHN OF CHICAGO | March 23, 2008 3:42 PM

Good example of a power seeking back stabber which unfortunately is hispanic. If I was the devil I would sure love to have him as a partner oh, umm, wait maybe not.

Posted by: F. Rivera | March 23, 2008 3:43 PM

Oh Yeah, the Clinton inner circle is so full of "gutter" politics.

How about his own candidate's inner circle?

"OBAMA CHURCH PUBLISHED HAMAS TERROR MANIFESTO, Compares charter calling for murder of Jews to Declaration of Independence"
(http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=59456)

Or how about this scanned image of a Trinity Church Rev. Wright Newsletter:

In this self-published op-ed piece where he is referring to Hamas and his own organization as "us", Rev. Wright explains "But what of the characterization by the West of our movement as beyond the pale of civilized discourse? Our "militant" stance cannot by itself be a qualifying factor, as many armed struggles have historically resulted in a place at the table of nations. Nor can any deny the reasonableness of our fight against the occupation and the right of Palestinians to have dignity, justice and self-rule."

It sure sounds to me as if Rev. Wright is referring to his church as "militant" that considers itself in an "armed struggle" united with Hamas, a terrorist organization.

(http://www.bizzyblog.com/wp-images/TUCChamasColumn072207.jpg)

Politics doesn't get more poisonous, hateful or "gutter" than what the people Obama chooses to embrace are into.

I wonder if it's painful for Richardson to be such a hypocrite. What does he mean by the use of the word "gutter"? That word is often used as a degrading way to refer to alien religions.

Posted by: Annette | March 23, 2008 3:43 PM

Judas Richardson is a traitorous scab. He's an opportunist who sold his soul. Hah! Ew. He disgusts me. Fat wannabe. Clinton is better off without the scab. Ew. I hope the people of NM show him their disgust, too. He's still trying to fit into the suit he wore at Clinton's 1996 inauguration. Judas. Brutus. Benedict Arnold. Ew.

Posted by: Sharon | March 23, 2008 3:44 PM

Hillary often mentions her time in the white house as wife of Bill clinton; if she was so aware of what was going on in the white hourse during this time - then why did she not stop Bill from all the indicent acts he committed during this time which brought so much shame to the office and damaged respect for the USA in the world; she had a right as a wife, and an obligation as a patriate to do something. Yet she did not - choosing instead to cover up for him.

Posted by: Vincent Bezzina | March 23, 2008 3:45 PM

I dislike the practice of finding something sinister in things that are really harmless, but I really see no way to characterize the comment by Bill Clinton as harmless. He said (emphasis added), ""I think it WOULD be a great thing IF we had an election year where you had two people who loved this country..." IF means that we might not have such an election, which implies that 1 of the 2 people seeking the Democratic nomination does not love this country. There is simply no other way to interpret his comment than as an attack against Obama.

Posted by: Steve | March 23, 2008 3:45 PM

I am very loyal to the Clintons," said Richardson.

I am puzzled by the governor's statement of loyalty. If what he did with his endorsement is an expression of loyalty I wouldn't want to see what he would do, being disloyal.

Posted by: tydicea | March 23, 2008 3:45 PM

Is that comment about "having the hair on his back waxed" some kind of inappropriate racial stereotype from 1957, or do you really believe that's part of a productive dialogue about the important political issues and national potential of our time?

Posted by: Southern Shape Shifter | March 23, 2008 3:45 PM

If you want more of what this country has gone through, then vote for a 100 year occupation for US troops in Irag, sponsored by Sen. McCain.

Elect Sen. Clinton and your get her husband, which is a liability in any language. If you are looking for real change, bipartisanship, and a new vision for this country then cast your ballot for Sen. Obama

Posted by: Dale Moore | March 23, 2008 03:25 PM


Dale, that was my take until this Wright flap unfolded. My wife likes Hillary mainly because she was the force for universal healthcare in 1993 and was the force behind S-CHIPS after 1997. She as an immigrant also didn't like Ms Obama's comments about the USA. I liked Barack for his war stand and just his personality compared to Hillary. For me it's a tough call now after seeing Wright. That kind of a mentor speaks volumes about the character or lack of it in Barack. Hope you're right .... I think I would vote for Hillary though if I had the chance again. We do have a 4 year old with Diabetes who benefits from Hillary's S-CHIPS program so we have some connection there. As for Richardson .... considering what the Clinton's did for him, loyalty appears to not in either his vocabulary or character.

Posted by: Philip | March 23, 2008 3:48 PM

Both Clintons have given false praise to McSame and lost me at that point. Prior to that, I was open to both HRC and BO and was undecided. I'm ashamed of how both Clintons have acted in the past month. I thought they were above that. It appears to me that they are willing to destroy our party to win at any cost. Well, that might still happen in the end but that's just the nomination.

Anyone doubting how uniting a Clinton nomination will be to the Republican Party is drinking the same kool aide given out so liberally over the past 7 years. I will never vote for McSame, but sure hope I don't have to cringe as I vote Clinton.

Obama is our only hope for the future.

Posted by: capone1 | March 23, 2008 3:48 PM

Bill richardson is a traitor and a loser. I would not be surprised if he is angling for the vice presidency and hitching himself to the apparent Obama star. He may just be surprised when it does not turn out as he is speculating. I know a lot of Hillary supporters who are not running their mouths about it, but will show themselves for Hillary in the voting booth and will vote for McCain if Obama gets the election. Democrats are shooting themselves in the foot again, remember Gore and Kerry?

Posted by: jutta Rubright | March 23, 2008 3:49 PM

Annette,

If you are going to post lies about Obama, at least you should try to cover it up by NOT using World Net Daily as a source. This is a big red flag that screams "right wing wacko".

Now get off the computer and back to listening to Rush.

Posted by: VerbalKint | March 23, 2008 3:49 PM

Democrats do not support Clinton. Monarchists support Clinton.

Posted by: Angry Liberal | March 23, 2008 3:49 PM

Wow. I just read through these comments and the Republicans must be eating it up - so divisive, so angry. It's a shame too, because there are two very competent candidates running - each with their strengths and weaknesses. There is no perfect candidate, which is why politics is so fun.

As a woman, I'm proud of Senator Clinton. She's smart, articulate, and scrappy. Personally, however, I think a Hillary Clinton candidacy is perhaps the only thing that could really motivate the Republican base come November. Yes, Obama has some areas to overcome, but I don't think they remotely compare to Hillary's weaknesses, even if they are not all necessarily her fault. A candid Republican strategist will tell you they would MUCH rather run against Hillary. Shouldn't that be the basis for superdelegates' decisions?

Posted by: calm down people | March 23, 2008 3:50 PM

I'm surprise at Richardson, for endorsing Obama. A so call latino like Richardson endorsing Obama. Was'nt Richardson, Bill Clinton favor LATINO.
Obama, say we need change in Washington, and they are all trying to get to Washington D.C. everybody want to cleanup Washington D.C. this will never happen.

Posted by: Louis Levario | March 23, 2008 3:51 PM

Hillary refuses to reveal the last 8 years of hers and Bill's tax returns. "Just trust us?" Are you kidding me? No doubt the millions she received from the health insurance lobby, will be surpassed only by the millions Bill received from Middle Eastern governments, for access to his wife, should she become President. Clinton is the only candidate who took more money from registered lobbyists, than McCain did! Superdelegates: unite behind Obama now!

Posted by: dow2200 | March 23, 2008 3:51 PM

I'm surprise at Richardson, for endorsing Obama. A so call latino like Richardson endorsing Obama. Was'nt Richardson, Bill Clinton favor LATINO.
Obama, say we need change in Washington, and they are all trying to get to Washington D.C. everybody want to cleanup Washington D.C. this will never happen.

Posted by: Louis Levario | March 23, 2008 3:51 PM

Hillary is scum. There. I've sunk to your level.

Posted by: Truth Seeker | March 23, 2008 3:51 PM

A "carnation" is a flower.

Posted by: Note to Gary | March 23, 2008 3:52 PM

I think the theory that the Clintons are using a slash and burn strategy against the party is a sound one. They (and their supporters) keep getting uglier. Just look at the hate-filled comments posted here. The super-delegates need to start taking a stand now, to put an end to it one way or the other.

Posted by: VerbalKint | March 23, 2008 3:53 PM

Hillary is pulling in every dirty trick and throwing in everything but the kitchen sink in her desperate and flawed bid for the Democratic nomination. She can do the math and do the right thing for the Democratic party. Right now, her desperation is only helping McCain.

Posted by: savypol | March 23, 2008 3:53 PM

Hillary is not scum.

Posted by: Apologist for Ruthless Self Aggrandisement | March 23, 2008 3:54 PM

Hillary is not scum.

Posted by: Apologist for Ruthless Self Aggrandisement | March 23, 2008 3:54 PM

to davidmwe: anyway you cut it, hummmm nope so the week that Hillary had a lead in polls the polls matter, but before that poll came out and now that the polls are again going in Obamas favor they dont matter, cause "they never listen to the polls" yea right, the clintons make me sick in every single possible way. If she wins I will feel like bush jrs twin would be the person elected, that is how much i despise her. ahhh makes me sick

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 3:55 PM

Hillary is too scum!

Posted by: Well Meaning and Kind American | March 23, 2008 3:56 PM

Evan Bayh seems like a nice enough person... he should stop repeating all the Clinton lies and distortions though...

He's just another pathetic example of typical politicians willing to say anything and repeat any pack of lies in order to gain more power.

In this case, everyone knows Bayh is at or near the top of the Clinton VP list; apparently he's enough of a wimp to be willing to share the VP spot with BILL.

Posted by: skyriak | March 23, 2008 3:57 PM

OBAMA/RICHARDSON

AFRICAN AMERICAN POPULATION 18%

HISPANIC AMERICAN POPULATION 33 %

the reality is that the Hispanic voter block will overwhelmingly vote for the chance to have the first Hispanic Vice President.

so what does that mean? It means that OBAMA/RICHARDSON ticket would only need 10% of the white vote to have a blowout in November, Richardson knows that.

Posted by: osirisravanz | March 23, 2008 3:57 PM

Sen Graham says we have to stay in Iraq "until we win." Can he please define win? Is it until George and Dick say so? Or maybe McCain??? Scary

Posted by: Mike | March 23, 2008 3:58 PM

Hillary is not scum!

Posted by: Fans of Cuckholded Wives | March 23, 2008 3:58 PM

Great to know that politics and this newspaper are so carefully followed by such an assortment of rabid incoherent troglodytes. Gives me faith in the system.

Posted by: David G | March 23, 2008 3:59 PM

Why isn't anyone talking about issues? Reverend Wright, James Carville and all the rest of the brick throwing just serves to distract us from the differences between these two candidates.

Obama has steered a steady course, and while not focusing on solutions to complex problems he at least recognizes their complexity and the need for us to work together to solve them. In a polarized political landscape fractured by personal and special interests this is a breath of fresh air, especially considering the multitude of seemingly insurmountable problems that have been piling up since Reagan.

Hillary, on the other hand, is desperately seeking nonmination by transparently shifting positions in a last ditch attempt to find something, anything, that will resonate with voters. And as that fails the mud-slinging increases to the detriment of us all. Guilt by association, reverse racism, how far will it go, and how far will Americans buy into it?

Hillary's health care plan will deliver more profits to insurance companies instead of health care to citizens. This should be no surprise, since the health care (read insurance) lobby is one of her largest contributors, and has been since she chaired the President's Task Force on Health Care Reform, which is also the only single issue that she can truthfully present as political experience. Her time as a New York State Senator doesn't count, because all she has done is waffle on issues and follow the lead set by others after the fact (John Murtha, etc.).

Kudos to Richardson for understanding that the Clintons are there when they need you, and that the presidency is about more than personal power and glory.

Posted by: Noah | March 23, 2008 3:59 PM

Senator Clinton lost 12 primaries in a row. Or was it 13? No other candidate could stand to lose half that many. It is time for the Clintons to - uncharacteristically - bow out gracefully and endorse Obama. And, Rendell, you are full of it when you suggest Bill's remark about "two candidates who love their country" meant nothing. The Clintons know precisely what they say when they say it. You know, like bullets in Bosnia.

Posted by: Besseta | March 23, 2008 4:01 PM

The only call that Hillary ever took at 3am in the White House was from Bill telling her he wasn't coming home again.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 4:01 PM

Richardson is Judas-what a perfect analogy and true. Obama is a do-nothing Senator that attracts supporters by words, not by action. He has done absolutely nothing in the Senate. If I'm wrong, provide proof of legislation that has passed Congress.

Posted by: Kendle | March 23, 2008 4:02 PM

Rendell represents the worst of nepotism. If Bill Clinton hadn't given Midge Rendell her judgeship, he would be in the winner's camp instead of Clinton's. In addition, I'll bet Mayor Nutter is kicking himself right now for going along with Rendell. So much for the federal funds Philadelphia will need to clean up it's act. He can call Obama any time of night on any color phone and it will keep on ringing!

Posted by: Guster | March 23, 2008 4:02 PM

Of course the Clintonistas would call Richardson a Judas. They know all about that. The staffers are invalidators, very Marxist. They also go to prison, are prosecuted and all sorts of things while the Clintons sit around and say "oh I didn't know about that" after instigating it with their pons.

Posted by: MissClrity | March 23, 2008 4:03 PM

Thanks for the endorsement of Obama, Bill. This former Democrat just made a donation to John McCain. I encourage other Americans that are sick of political bickering to do the same at: http://www.johnmccain.com/

Posted by: Thanks Bill | March 23, 2008 4:03 PM

Hillary definitely is scum.

Posted by: Rabid Incoherent Troglodytes | March 23, 2008 4:03 PM

The Clintons are punishing Richardson in the hope of staving off further disaffections. Those who tell Hillary they will endorse Obama report having an unpleasant phone call. So not only do they have to put up with her crap, now they can expect to be called Judas or who knows what.

Posted by: Paul D. | March 23, 2008 4:03 PM

Hillary/Cheney in 2008!

Posted by: Split Ticket | March 23, 2008 4:05 PM

It is true, the Democrats have it over McCain and thus the Republicans;

Obama vs Clinton vs McCain -
a Web Comparison:

http://newsusa.myfeedportal.com/viewarticle.php?articleid=76

Posted by: Dave | March 23, 2008 4:05 PM

Obama will be hurt by his association with Judas Richardson. And if he does manage to get nominated, he will just lose the general election. Senator Clinton is the best candidate, by far. If Obama is so concerned about the two tearing at each other, he can always drop out himself. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Posted by: John | March 23, 2008 4:06 PM

The Clintons and their Clintonistas think anything of good report is a lie. They are the great invalidators - very MARXIST.

Posted by: MissClarity | March 23, 2008 4:06 PM

The Clintons and their Clintonistas think anything of good report is a lie. They are the great invalidators - very MARXIST.

Posted by: MissClarity | March 23, 2008 4:06 PM

A Langston Hughes poem from 70 years ago is still valid:
Let America be America again.
Let it be the dream it used to be.
Let it be the pioneer on the plain
Seeking a home where he himself is free.

(America never was America to me.)

Let America be the dream the dreamers dreamed--
Let it be that great strong land of love
Where never kings connive nor tyrants scheme
That any man be crushed by one above.

(It never was America to me.)

O, let my land be a land where Liberty
Is crowned with no false patriotic wreath,
But opportunity is real, and life is free,
Equality is in the air we breathe.

(There's never been equality for me,
Nor freedom in this "homeland of the free.")

Say, who are you that mumbles in the dark?
And who are you that draws your veil across the stars?

I am the poor white, fooled and pushed apart,
I am the Negro bearing slavery's scars.
I am the red man driven from the land,
I am the immigrant clutching the hope I seek--
And finding only the same old stupid plan
Of dog eat dog, of mighty crush the weak.

I am the young man, full of strength and hope,
Tangled in that ancient endless chain
Of profit, power, gain, of grab the land!
Of grab the gold! Of grab the ways of satisfying need!
Of work the men! Of take the pay!
Of owning everything for one's own greed!

I am the farmer, bondsman to the soil.
I am the worker sold to the machine.
I am the Negro, servant to you all.
I am the people, humble, hungry, mean--
Hungry yet today despite the dream.
Beaten yet today--O, Pioneers!
I am the man who never got ahead,
The poorest worker bartered through the years.

Yet I'm the one who dreamt our basic dream
In the Old World while still a serf of kings,
Who dreamt a dream so strong, so brave, so true,
That even yet its mighty daring sings
In every brick and stone, in every furrow turned
That's made America the land it has become.
O, I'm the man who sailed those early seas
In search of what I meant to be my home--
For I'm the one who left dark Ireland's shore,
And Poland's plain, and England's grassy lea,
And torn from Black Africa's strand I came
To build a "homeland of the free."

The free?

Who said the free? Not me?
Surely not me? The millions on relief today?
The millions shot down when we strike?
The millions who have nothing for our pay?
For all the dreams we've dreamed
And all the songs we've sung
And all the hopes we've held
And all the flags we've hung,
The millions who have nothing for our pay--
Except the dream that's almost dead today.

O, let America be America again--
The land that never has been yet--
And yet must be--the land where every man is free.
The land that's mine--the poor man's, Indian's, Negro's, ME--
Who made America,
Whose sweat and blood, whose faith and pain,
Whose hand at the foundry, whose plow in the rain,
Must bring back our mighty dream again.

Sure, call me any ugly name you choose--
The steel of freedom does not stain.
From those who live like leeches on the people's lives,
We must take back our land again,
America!

O, yes,
I say it plain,
America never was America to me,
And yet I swear this oath--
America will be!


Out of the rack and ruin of our gangster death,
The rape and rot of graft, and stealth, and lies,
We, the people, must redeem
The land, the mines, the plants, the rivers.
The mountains and the endless plain--
All, all the stretch of these great green states--
And make America again!

Posted by: Javalation | March 23, 2008 4:07 PM


Richardson said, "...he wanted something beyond 'Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton.' You know, what about the rest of us?'"

You mean the rest of us who hope to be named VP or Sec of State?

Posted by: WylieD | March 23, 2008 4:07 PM

My name is Judas Richardson and I resent the association of my name with this dialog.

Posted by: Judas Richardson | March 23, 2008 4:08 PM

It's too bad this campaign now boils down to race. Richardson himself said his endorsement is due to it. We should be talking about the economy, the environment, health care, and other issues. Obama lost my support in 2005 when he voted for Cheney's energy bill. He has a mediocre environmental record. Hillary is rock-solid not only the environment, but the economy and health care as well. We should be choosing our candidate based on their command of the issues, not on the color of their skin. I don't see Richardson's endorsement as a good thing at all. If race becomes the dominant issue in November, then the Democrats lose.

I see no evidence either of Obama the uniter. When the going gets tough he resorts to "gutter politics" just as much as anyone else. Accusing Bill Clinton of being like McCarthy is inflammatory. Releasing a photo of Bill Clinton shaking hands with Rev. Wright in the '90s is inflammatory too. Remember, there are lots of people who admire and support the Clintons, and we are the ones you need to unite if we are going to win in December.

Posted by: Howdy999 | March 23, 2008 4:09 PM

Opinions are like noses, everyone has one.

Posted by: a reader | March 23, 2008 4:10 PM

Hillary needs a hug.

Posted by: Healthy Healer | March 23, 2008 4:10 PM

Considering the vast racial inequity that has defined and in many ways built out country, some white people are so bent out of shape by that "typical white person" remark. For the entirety of US history, minorities have shouldered the pain of racism in some form or another to the extent that many privileged white americans are up in arms at a hint of bias towards them. Because a politician is courageous enough to address ensnaring issues, like race, some so-called Democrats are demanding apologies and vowing to vote across party lines when Obama wins the nomination. How ridiculous.... Have the silver spoons migrated from your mouths to between your ears?

-SWM

Posted by: tK | March 23, 2008 4:10 PM

Typical clinton politics.gutter and immoral,same thing that would be if elected to whitehouse,gutter and immoral as usual,the us is damned if it continues with abortions,same sex marriges and all the other immoral politics that the clintons support,so the good rev was not cussing the usa but telling what the word says about it,but the liberals dont want to hear the truth,hipocrosy in action!

Posted by: tmld2008 | March 23, 2008 4:11 PM

If you want to know and listen reality then listen original 9/11 sermon by Rev Wright...not the one which was prefabricated and was widely played last week by CNN, MSNBC and others.Listen carefully to hear the truth.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RvMbeVQj6Lw

Posted by: JR | March 23, 2008 4:12 PM

Bill Richardson will only be a casualty in Obama's disaster of a campaign in a general election against McCain. He's no more Hispanic than Bill Clinton so don't look for him to bring Hispanics into the Obama camp.

Posted by: Bill Who? | March 23, 2008 4:12 PM

Of course the Clintonistas would call Richardson a Judas. They know all about it, they are decendents. They also go to prison, are prosecuted and all sorts of things while the Clintons sit around and say "oh I didn't know about that" after instigating it with their Judas.

Posted by: MissClarity | March 23, 2008 4:12 PM

As we saw in the early debates Bill Richardson isn't the sharpest democrat to run for president. When he was still in the race Hillary was doing better with latino voters in most states than he was. In primaries after he dropped out, Hillary was preferred by Latinos twice as much as Obama. Obviously Richardson does not care about what other Latinos think. He is more interested in his own potential career. Obama can have him.

Posted by: Roy | March 23, 2008 4:12 PM

Barack is nicer.

Posted by: Omniscient One | March 23, 2008 4:12 PM

This is just another one-sided piece by the WP. Whatever happened to objectivity in the main stream media? No wonder conservatives go to FOX for their. You are giving support to what Richardson has to say but not Rendell. This belongs on the editorial page. Oh I forgot you have Robinson passing himself off as an objective journalist when it is plain as day he is an Obama supporter. What gives with the media where we cannot get an objective article and let us form our own opinion?

Posted by: James | March 23, 2008 4:13 PM

DO YOU REALLY WANT SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT?3/21/08
George Bush was on the news the other day and said he can not do anything in the short term about the price of oil? When I heard him say this I thought;
"You mean to tell me he can not make the speed limit 55 again?"
Think about this, please, really. You can't tell me the price of oil would not go down immediately.
Dick Chaney is in Saudi Arabia today asking the king to increase production because the price of gasoline is bring down our economy. Why is he there?
Why can't George Bush lower the speed limit which would increase the inventories of oil on the world market creating a glut of oil? This is something he could have done all along but has not. Why? Why does he keep putting the responsibility on everyone else to fix this situation? He can fix it. What is waiting for? This would stimulate the economy. I did not like driving 55 either, but I need to be able to live and pay my bills so driving 55 does not seem so bad.
George Bush needs to called out on this immediately and I mean right now. He could do this with a signature. Leader of the free world? He should be impeached for this.
Ken Mitchell

Posted by: Ken Mitchell | March 23, 2008 4:13 PM

The article says: "I'm not going to get in the gutter like that," Richardson responded on "Fox News Sunday." "And you know, that's typical of many of the people around Senator Clinton. They think they have a sense of entitlement to the presidency."
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I have always been puzzled about Richardson. During his campaign, he always pounced on any other candidate who said anything at all about another candidate.

Now, Richardson has endorsed Obama, saying that the Clinton's think they are "entitled" to the presidency.

Isn't that like the pot calling the kettle black, so to speak, when Obama's supporters act like Obama is entitled to the presidency. We already have threats from his people that there will be a riot if Obama doesn't get the nomination at the convention.

Too bad - I don't think Hillary is entitled, but she is a far more electable person than Obama.

And, with all the statistics floating around why Hillary should get out of the race, what about Hillary has more electoral college votes than Obama. Hillary beats McCain in every big state. Obama doesn't. gw.

Posted by: Grace | March 23, 2008 4:14 PM


Good God, the lower class punks here

(and a huge majority are written by the same five or six people, (svreader's "I am jew", I love israel, you are stupid) group

are getting uglier and uglier. NO use reading any posts at wapo anymore. Until some reasonable editor appears. Most good writers are already gone. Waste.

Posted by: Randall | March 23, 2008 4:14 PM

Reverend Wright for President.

Posted by: Tired of The American Double Standard | March 23, 2008 4:14 PM


Good God, the lower class punks here

(and a huge majority are written by the same five or six people, (svreader's "I am jew", I love israel, you are stupid) group

are getting uglier and uglier. NO use reading any posts at wapo anymore. Until some reasonable editor appears. Most good writers are already gone. Waste.

Posted by: Randall | March 23, 2008 4:14 PM

Richardson didn't endorse Obama because of his race speech. A month ago he was asking Hillary to step down for the good of the party, for unity. And now Richardson puts his big fat foot into the divide as it gets wider and wider. What a turncoat. Karma will take care of that rat. Yes. He will get his due.

Posted by: Benedict Arnold | March 23, 2008 4:14 PM

.Richardson is right on target. From the beginning, the Clinton campaign them has been taken from "Simba's Song" in the Disney Lion King movie - "Ijust can't wait to be King...." (er..Queen?). let's get real - all of this is about Bill's cleverly masked effort to get an Un-Constitutional third term in the White House

Posted by: Lou the lion-tamer | March 23, 2008 4:17 PM

May be Rendall forgot that in the big state of Texas, 100,000 republicans crossed over and voted for Hillary because they know McCain can beat Hillary and will lose against Obama.

And one more thing Rendall, some of my colleagues who voted for McCain are thinging about voting for Obama in the general election if Obama is the Dem's nominee. What do you think about that?

Just because Richardson was a member of Clinton cabinet, doesn't mean Richardson is a slave of Clinton for the rest of his life. Get it? Richardson is not a slave of Clinton family. Slavery ended long time ago. Richardson can support anyone he choose to support.

Posted by: David | March 23, 2008 4:18 PM

By the time the Dems convention rolls around the two candidates will have dstroyed each other. The time is ripe to throw both of them out and nominate Mickey Mouse.

Posted by: Bill Evans | March 23, 2008 4:18 PM

It ain't over till the fat hairy Mexican guy sings!

Posted by: How do you like me now? | March 23, 2008 4:19 PM

Politics is a game that you quit only after a knockout. Bill Clinton is back and is destroying what he sowed in the 90's and I strongly see a knockout in the near future. If there are visionaries in the democratic party, Governor Richardson is one of them. There is no way the clintonian political politics of the 90s can work in 2008, that's history and Hillary is history.

Posted by: Clintonian Political Politics | March 23, 2008 4:19 PM

Bill Richardson for Energy Secretary!

Posted by: Bill Richardson | March 23, 2008 4:19 PM

Wait up, fellas. What candidate with a rational mind would consider throwing in the towel after racking up the kind of numbers that Hillary has? And that's only the registered Democrats who voted in primaries. There are a couple od million people who haven't voted in an election yet. Only one person is going to win the nomination; we need to think about this country and agree that whoever gets the popular vote should be the nominee. Let's not let the Supreme Court make decisions for us and let's not think about dire consequences. Obama is just another man and that's all we've had in the country since it was founded. WE NEED A WOMAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE TO SHOW US HOW THINGS SHOULD BE DONE. Enough of Bush and his cronies who want to send this country down the tubes!

Posted by: phyllis | March 23, 2008 4:19 PM

Wait up, fellas. What candidate with a rational mind would consider throwing in the towel after racking up the kind of numbers that Hillary has? And that's only the registered Democrats who voted in primaries. There are a couple od million people who haven't voted in an election yet. Only one person is going to win the nomination; we need to think about this country and agree that whoever gets the popular vote should be the nominee. Let's not let the Supreme Court make decisions for us and let's not think about dire consequences. Obama is just another man and that's all we've had in the country since it was founded. WE NEED A WOMAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE TO SHOW US HOW THINGS SHOULD BE DONE. Enough of Bush and his cronies who want to send this country down the tubes!

Posted by: phyllis | March 23, 2008 4:19 PM

Wait up, fellas. What candidate with a rational mind would consider throwing in the towel after racking up the kind of numbers that Hillary has? And that's only the registered Democrats who voted in primaries. There are a couple od million people who haven't voted in an election yet. Only one person is going to win the nomination; we need to think about this country and agree that whoever gets the popular vote should be the nominee. Let's not let the Supreme Court make decisions for us and let's not think about dire consequences. Obama is just another man and that's all we've had in the country since it was founded. WE NEED A WOMAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE TO SHOW US HOW THINGS SHOULD BE DONE. Enough of Bush and his cronies who want to send this country down the tubes!

Posted by: phyllis | March 23, 2008 4:19 PM

Obama is a sick joke...

Posted by: Quentin | March 23, 2008 4:19 PM

Wait up, fellas. What candidate with a rational mind would consider throwing in the towel after racking up the kind of numbers that Hillary has? And that's only the registered Democrats who voted in primaries. There are a couple od million people who haven't voted in an election yet. Only one person is going to win the nomination; we need to think about this country and agree that whoever gets the popular vote should be the nominee. Let's not let the Supreme Court make decisions for us and let's not think about dire consequences. Obama is just another man and that's all we've had in the country since it was founded. WE NEED A WOMAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE TO SHOW US HOW THINGS SHOULD BE DONE. Enough of Bush and his cronies who want to send this country down the tubes!

Posted by: phyllis | March 23, 2008 4:19 PM

Randall,

Actually, most of my posts are about Obama's Slums.

Why do Obama's supporters keep trying to drive other posters off these boards?

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 4:19 PM

Obama should call out Bush on this. Spread the word.

3/21/08
George Bush was on the news the other day and said he can not do anything in the short term about the price of oil? When I heard him say this I thought;
"You mean to tell me he can not make the speed limit 55 again?"
Think about this, please, really. You can't tell me the price of oil would not go down immediately.
Dick Chaney is in Saudi Arabia today asking the king to increase production because the price of gasoline is bring down our economy. Why is he there?
Why can't George Bush lower the speed limit which would increase the inventories of oil on the world market creating a glut of oil? This is something he could have done all along but has not. Why? Why does he keep putting the responsibility on everyone else to fix this situation? He can fix it. What is waiting for? This would stimulate the economy. I did not like driving 55 either, but I need to be able to live and pay my bills so driving 55 does not seem so bad.
George Bush needs to called out on this immediately and I mean right now. He could do this with a signature. Leader of the free world? He should be impeached for this.
Ken Mitchell

Posted by: Ken | March 23, 2008 4:21 PM

If Hillary is not on the ticket with him, I am voting for McCain. As simple as that...

Posted by: Quentin | March 23, 2008 4:21 PM

If there's only crapola around you, then it must be coming from the top...that's what Richardson was trying to say without really saying it. Then there's the candidate with the #1 ultra liberal rating and joined to the hip of his hate mongering, anti American racist "spiritual adviser".
Both with no experience and incompetent.

Posted by: Mike | March 23, 2008 4:21 PM

OBAMA/RICHARDSON

AFRICAN AMERICAN POPULATION 18%

HISPANIC AMERICAN POPULATION 33 %

the reality is that the Hispanic voter block will overwhelmingly vote for the chance to have the first Hispanic Vice President.

so what does that mean? It means that OBAMA/RICHARDSON ticket would only need 10% of the white vote to have a blowout in November, Richardson knows that.

Posted by: Yo Ma-Ma | March 23, 2008 4:21 PM

Not everyone has a beautiful interior and exterior like you, How Do You Like Me Now.

Posted by: Fat Hairy Mexican for Positive Politics | March 23, 2008 4:22 PM


I thought GUTTER POLITICS was Obamas campaign theme.

It certainly wasn't the unity he used to talk about monday thru friday....while he sneaked off on the weekends to attend a church that promoted division, hatred and racism against white americans, america, jews and the victims of 911.

GUTTER POLITICS = Obama

After all haven't we seen Obama get on stage and have two of his endorsers trash the Clintons and this nation...This was done on his behalf and probably his request. Obama knew exactly what these people were going to say before they got on stage.

But then again for the last 20 years he has been listening to hatred and racism and anti-american garbage...so he must feel comfortable with his Gutter Politics.

Americans are not going to give the Presidency to this guy....we LOVE AMERICA too much to trash it.

Posted by: ann | March 23, 2008 4:23 PM

I wish I could be an American and in America just now. I then will let the lady go to her home and practice jogging with her husband in the rest of their life so as to care their health since both husband and wife are just running out of time. It is time to care his and herself not others, Americans. I think that "a leader in life time", a black guy took the posi and t is over now, Hillary-Bill.

Posted by: From Abroad and non American | March 23, 2008 4:23 PM

"They [the Clintons] think they have a sense of entitlement to the presidency."

My sentiments EXACTLY!

http://OsiSpeaks.com

Posted by: KYJurisDoctor | March 23, 2008 4:24 PM

Phyllis, you hit the button once, ok?

Posted by: Button Pushers for Multiple Messages | March 23, 2008 4:24 PM

There are a lot of Hillary people here today showing an incredible amount of bitterness over an endorsement which they claim to be wortheless. Usual contradiction from the Clinton camp? Exactly.

Posted by: Obamaforpresident | March 23, 2008 4:25 PM

Hey folks, just an idea for you.

It doesn't matter which party you belong to, it doesn't matter who the anointed candidate is.

Vote for the person you believe to be the best candidate for President (as a write-in if you must). Tell the parties that you want change by doing that and you will definitely create change. Btw, the same strategy should be used for all voting. When has "either Party" really done a dang thing for you?

Make the days where someone else defines your voting choices a thing of the past. We will all be better for it.

Posted by: MurrayH | March 23, 2008 4:25 PM

i think that Mrs. Clinton's co-sponsorship of that anti-flag-burning piece was quite remarkable; she is indeed a splendid senatrix.

Posted by: ape dersen | March 23, 2008 4:25 PM

I just read where Clinton asked McCain if he wants to be her vice president.........

Posted by: Ken | March 23, 2008 4:25 PM

Correction:
Not posi but position.
thanks

Posted by: From Abroad and non American | March 23, 2008 4:25 PM

Bill Clinton came into office as a new comer to national politics. A wonderful fresh breath of hope for a new age of how our national government would be run. But but the magnetic pull of power could not keep him and Hilary from becoming just like the status quo we hoped they would replace. They did not have the internal fortitude to stand up to the big boys and risk losing their power- and Washington power is a money tree. There is now very little to distinguish the Clinton's from the Republicans and their power base. That is a shame because they could have made a big difference. Power blinds and Clinton is blind to the fact that she has for all practical purposes lost. She should step aside; use her clout to unite the Democratic party; and give us hopeless romantics a chance to help elect another person we feel can change our messed up national government.

Posted by: steven | March 23, 2008 4:26 PM

If you look at the timing, Richardson waited until it looked like MI, FL wouldn't be able to revote. He's going with what looks like the inevitable winner. It's all politically ambitious calculation on his part. That's why his statements are so inconsistent and internally conflicting.

This is actually a funny story. When it looked like Clinton was the inevitable winner, he almost came out for Clinton. Then he hesitated and waited, planning to come out for Obama on the day after TX and OH primaries. But when Clinton won TX and OH, he pulled back. Then he came out for Obama the day after the MI, FL revote efforts fell apart and that politico.com article declared that there was no way to win.

He's ambitious and angling for himself to line up with the winner. There's little conscience or rationale in his thought process.

The funny part is that there is a very real possibility that Clinton might win. Obama's been dropping in the polls like a rock since that Rev. Wright info went mainstream.

http://www.pollster.com/

Posted by: Annette | March 23, 2008 4:27 PM

Sen. Barack Obama, is the most stronger candidate than sen. Hillary, The democrats should nominate him if they want to win in November 2008, because people are tired of Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton-there is NO change in that matter, the change she speaks( sen. Hillary) is too theoretical she won't implement it, will still be Bill clinton's style of which we are tired, we want something new, fresh and exciting that's Sen. Barack Obama qualification.

Posted by: xavery mahecha | March 23, 2008 4:27 PM

Re: Kool Aid - Remember that was the drink that Jim Jones had his devoted followers drink laced with cyanide. How did Obama pick that drink to become associated with?
As for the Clintons, anything they do is considered divisive by the Obama camp and simple campaigning is considered divisive. What the Obama camp really wants is for the Clintons to heel and obey their god, Obama. Nothing less would satsfy them.

Posted by: Lynn E | March 23, 2008 4:28 PM

The sexism in anti-Hillary posts is disgusting.

Sexism, racism, and AGEISM, are all morally indefensible.

Obama supporters threw Bill Clinton "under the bus"

Mainstream Democrats will neither forgive or forget that.

If Obama's the candidate, the Democratic Party will lose its mainstream supporters.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 4:28 PM

Thanks, Bill Richardson. SOMEBODY had the guts to call the Clinton campaign for what it is.............. good ole trailer park trash.

Posted by: FL Cracker | March 23, 2008 4:28 PM

Yo-MA MA

You are WRONG...Latinos will not simply vote for Obama because of Richardson.

Unlike the black community we don't vote based on race.

Latinos vote based on what is best for America.....and Obama is not it.

Posted by: ann | March 23, 2008 4:28 PM

Ann, you wrote:

"Rendell is RIGHT ON. Obama can't have it both ways.

Can't criticize Clinton for negative campaigning and then do it himself.(eg the 'Mccarthy' BS).

Can't cry foul on race and then use phrases like 'typical white person' or affiliate with racists.

Can't say superdelegates should vote with their constituents and then accept those who are NOT voting with their constituents.

This is not 'new' politics. What a sham.


You are right, its not new politics, its old. Older than the Clintons. And its not a game; its called winning politics. When attacked, attack back..
When your experience is ridiculed, put her experience (and judgment) on trial.
When your character is questioned, rebut the charge with facts (Rezko -- when is the last time we saw his name mentioned?) and then point out the opponent's own character issues (lying about NAFTA support and the Bosnia trip).
When your patriotism is subtly questioned, call them on it, make their charge plain, and make them defend the suggestion. [Note that the Clintons haven't yet said they don't doubt Obama's patriotism, not even "as far as they know."]
When the race card is played by one of your opponent's supporters, assert how noxious the charge is.
When you are on the ropes because of your ties to a controversial, even toxic person, denounce what you can/must and elevate the discussion.
When you are ahead in delegates, pop vote and states won, and the other side offers you the VP slot. make them ridulous for their arrogance.
When your opponent suggests you are unelectable, point out that 45% of the country says they non't trust and will never vote for her, reminding the DNC of how weak the Clinton coattails have been historically.
When she wants to point to your pastor, remind the nation that her husband's embarrassing indiscretions required him to call on your pastor as part of his public redemption tour.
When your opponent can only win if you collapse, and is hoping the latest scandal is a knockout blow, deliver a great speech that reminds the nation why they like you, and follow that up by gaining the public endorsement support of an influential superdelegate who twice worked in your husband's administration.
Again, that may not be "new" politics, but it seems to be winning. All without tarnishing his image as a uniter.
The bottom line: Hillaru cannot hide from her past. Its good politics for Barack's campaign to remind us what that past contains, warts and all. Part of the "vetting" process she always talks about.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 4:28 PM

Hillary is not scum!

Posted by: Entitled Politicians for More Entitled Politicians | March 23, 2008 4:29 PM

Think Richardson - Energy Dept. - Leaks,Scandals - Quietly drummed out of Clinton Admin.

Posted by: RetCombatVet | March 23, 2008 4:29 PM

Is it just me, or does HRC without her botox make anyone else want to puke?

Posted by: joes | March 23, 2008 4:29 PM

I learned something today from my Google Alerts from RezkoWatch.

I am working on a time-line for Obama, and here are some snippets of what I learned today:


March 16, 2004. Barack Obama won the Illinois Democratic primary for the U. S. Senate.

April 3, 2004 - Antoin Rezko held a dinner reception at Chicago's Four Seasons hotel for Iraqi - British billionaire, businessman, Nadhim Auchi. Also on the guest list was Illinois Governor Rod Alagojevich, Emil Jones, the President of the State Senate * and reportedly Barack Obama.

(Emil Jones is nicknamed "the kingmaker" and he yanked high profile bills from other lawmakers to put Obama's name on them to enhance Obama's political resume.) Obama wasn't even around when some votes were taken - he was vacationing in Hawaii.

April 8, 2004 - Then presidential candidate, Senator John Kerry (D-Mass) flew into hicago's O'Hare Airport, where he was met by Chicago area veterans.

There was a fundraiser at Chicago's Hyatt Regency.

April 12, 2004 - FEC reports for John Kerry for President, Inc., include a $2,000 campaign contribution reported from one Antoin Rezko of Wilmette, Illinois.

2004 - Rezko served on Obama's campaign finance committee.

2004 - At the DNC in Boston, Kerry invited Obama to deliver his convention speech.

Jan. 2008 - Kerry, in South Carolina, endorsed Obama in his run for the presidency.

Obama attended Punahou High School in Hawaii. Obama attended the private college in L.A., Occidental College.

Obama graduated from Columbia University, a private university in NYC.

Obama received a law degree from Harvard University, a private university -

Columbia and Harvard are considered Ivy League Schools.

Obama grew up with an elitist background. One comment on the blog I read said, "Why does Obama say he was 'oppressed and repressed?'"

In 2007, Obama went to Kenya to give support to his cousin Odinga (sp?), who was running for office. I saw a video of Odinga saying the same things Obama says here - "Change" "Unite" Etc.

But, Odinga signed a pact with some organization that burned down Christian Churches and macheted people in the streets.

I am not sure the "Change" Odinga and Obama want for our countries is the change we seek.

Obama has a dual citizenship in Kenya and the U.S. gw.

Posted by: Grace | March 23, 2008 4:29 PM

I'm glad Obama is fighting back. He said he was going to after HRC turned this election into a circus, now that HRC is getting hit the same way she was hitting Obama all her supporters wanna cry foul. Boo Hoo, Go get her Obama!

Posted by: Creamsykle | March 23, 2008 4:30 PM

Way to go Mr Richardson!

i thank you for endorsing barak obama for 2 reasons;

1) barak obama will certainly benefit from your endorsement

and

2) it p*ssed off hillary and billary!

LOL

there is nothing i like more in the world than to see hillary p*ssed off... she is probably kicking her dog right about now... so nobody should be surprised if we see her on the campaign trail on monday with a cast on her foot...

reporter; ms clinton.. what happened to your foot? where you kicking the dog because gov richardson was a judas? LOL

hillary; screw you mister reporter! i happen to be taking a ballet class because i am so graceful and petite.. i slipped and fell practicing my swan lake..

reporter; sure hillary, billary and doc! pull the middle one! it squirts!

slick willy; my good man. you will not get far with talk like that. only hillary and i can talk like that. we invented gutter language and sleazy politics. it is our way of life. if we want something, and somebody gets in our way, we will destroy them politically. why do you think we brought race into this debate? why do you think we released the photos from kenya? why do you think we were trying to get passport information? we are lawyers. everyone hates us. so, we hate them. and once we are in the white house, forget every promise we made, because we won't be there for you. we will be there for ourselves. we like power. no, i take that back. we CRAVE power. and when we have air force 1, we will fly back and forth across your city throwing our macdonalds trash out the window and all over your lawn. you see... we don't care about the little people. we really don't. now if you will excuse us, we have to go plan more fictitious and sleazy accusations against our competition. good day.

Posted by: presGWBfanclub | March 23, 2008 4:31 PM

"Richardson needs to shut his fat, hairy, doublechinned mouth."
"Richardson is a fat, ugly traitor"
"Richardson is a obese slimy phony bum!"

Once again I am impressed by the highly intellectual level of debate that the "average" American is able to engage in. Further proof of our failed education system in that people cannot gather a few simple facts and do a bit of independent thinking. Simply follow the garbage that someone else throws out there and then take it a level lower. Instead we take the fool's path and blindly spew insults and hate at the other side.

Mr. Richardson is a brilliant man who has done a great deal for this country (far more than most of you out there combined). He is due some respect. Many bemoan the fact that campaigns always go negative. Unfortunately, as you can see by the majority of responses to this article it works. We are too willing to jump in and insult the other side versus engaging in well thought out arguments. And the real loser in all of this is us, the American people.

No matter which side you support, I would encourage you to think before you speak. There is truth to Lincoln's statement, "A house divided against itself cannot stand." We are a nation divided by self interests, it's time we started working on correcting that.

Posted by: Tyler | March 23, 2008 4:31 PM

I'm a Hillary supporter, but Carville has no right to call Bill Richardson a "traitor" for endorsing Obama.

The Clintons do not own Richardson or anybody else. Richardson is a Governor and a superdelegate who has successfully negotiated the release of American hostages from places like Iraq. He has been nominated for the Nobel Peace prize five times. Like all of the other superdelegates, Richardson has the right to endorse anybody he wants.

Who is Carville to call a great American like Richardson a traitor? Nobody, that's who.

Posted by: Susan | March 23, 2008 4:32 PM

Also think Richardson. Isn't he the guy that stole some papers out of the Law Library or some other organization that was illegal? He almost got in criminal trouble for it - I don't remember how he talked his way out of that one. He said he accidently took them out in his briefcase or something. gw.

Posted by: Grace | March 23, 2008 4:32 PM

I think it was an act of tremendous courage by Gov. Richardson. It's that sense of entitlement that has brought us to Clinton, Bush over and over again. We've had enough. I only hope the rest of those on the fence take a stance one way or the other and move forward to the nomination. We're being seen as laughing stock by the Republicans. Hillary is willing to burn the village at any cost, which is sad and painful to watch.

Posted by: breh/California | March 23, 2008 4:32 PM

Hillary does well what Monica does..she sucks

Posted by: NoVote | March 23, 2008 4:32 PM

Think about your vote before you commit yourself for the next several months to a pretty serious alternative. McCain is Bush #3 - haven't we had enough of government that is not "of the people, for the people and by the people" but only for themselves and their friends? Eight long years of idiocy, incompentacy, illegalities as far as you can see, etc., etc. Bush was voted in by the Court, let's not let that happen again.

Posted by: phyllis | March 23, 2008 4:32 PM

I think it was an act of tremendous courage by Gov. Richardson. It's that sense of entitlement that has brought us to Clinton, Bush over and over again. We've had enough. I only hope the rest of those on the fence take a stance one way or the other and move forward to the nomination. We're being seen as laughing stock by the Republicans. Hillary is willing to burn the village at any cost, which is sad and painful to watch.

Posted by: breh/California | March 23, 2008 4:32 PM

I don't think Rendell really wants to push the argument he's advancing.

Kerry and Kennedy go ahead back Clinton. Ickes and every other super-delegate pol who lives in an state, county/precinct, or region that broke for Obama -- support Obama.

If we do that the nomination process is effectively over. Obama stands to gain a lot more support from that formulation than Clinton.

Remind me again -- who is being hypocritical here?

Rendell can't say on the one hand that superdelegates must vote the way that their constituents have, and on the other hand say that the contest should continue (and that he has problems with Kerry/Kennedy support of Obama). Especially with the high number of superdelegates in Washington, DC, Maryland, and Virginia -- if we were to take Rendell's line of thinking and the actual outcome of the voting -- there would be no need to have any more contested primaries.

Rendell's candidate benefits from the fact that super-delegates like Kerry and Kennedy are free to vote based on their own reasoning.

So why exactly is Rendell complaining? At this stage the super-delegate rules are the only thing that give his candidate grounds for staying in the contest.

Maybe Rendell is right though -- his candidate should get the support of Kerry and Kennedy; while Ickes et al back Obama and we call this a done deal. Off to the convention we go with Obama as the party nominee having won the popular vote, the pledged delegate count AND the super-delegate support. Credit Rendell with coming up with a solution that breaks the current intraparty log-jam and Senator Clinton returns to her distinguished role as a Senator from New York. Great work Ed!

Posted by: JP2 | March 23, 2008 4:32 PM

Its infantile for Obama supporters to claim that he's the only candidate that will bring "change"

Hillary will bring positive change that will benefit all Americans.

If Obama brings the same "change" he did to the slums in his district in Chicago, God help us all.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 4:33 PM

OBAMA/RICHARDSON que asco estos dos
the racist pastor and judas !!
Mcain or hillary 08!

Posted by: mejicano | March 23, 2008 4:33 PM

Who cares who's president. We've already given the country to the Chinese.

Posted by: Entitled Politicians for More Oppression in Tibet | March 23, 2008 4:35 PM

Bush wasn't in office long enough(9 months) to have initiated the kind of policies that would generate the malice that it took to carry out 9/11.We all know who proceeded him for 8 years.

Posted by: hamaser | March 23, 2008 4:35 PM


As much as Obama supporters wish that Senator Clinton would step down....

The rest of Americans want her to stay in there and fight for our country. We need her and will support her as long as it takes....all the way to the convention.

Because we all know Obama is not going to win the general election. He has done more to DIVIDE this country than anyone in recent history. He has shown extremely poor judgment and America would only suffer at his hands. I would vote Republican before I hand off this great country to a man who has shown to be the liar and manipulator who doesn't even respect his own grandmother....how could he defend Wright and keep trashing her?

Posted by: jerome | March 23, 2008 4:36 PM

i'm tired of this Clinton Vs Obama foolery ..this is just all a big distraction of the truth of what's going to happen to America in the future..it doesn't matter if a black man or a old white woman won the democratic nomination, there is a system to this American Establishment, it's not up to us to vote ..cause once we do vote there's something else between the lines saying we have to wait to hear from Delegates or Super Delegates or some other sort of source to award the proper candidate..
America is definitely going through a transition phase and the Clintons had their run, and to be Honest their True Colors have shown and will continue to show,Mccain will Win the Presidential Bid and we will be led into a police state
prepare for the new world order they are all apart of the grand scheme..some will come out worst than the others but the plan is in affect -

Posted by: disgruntled American | March 23, 2008 4:36 PM

Forget clinton and Obama and read this!
Makes you think doesn't it!

3/21/08
George Bush was on the news the other day and said he can not do anything in the short term about the price of oil? When I heard him say this I thought;
"You mean to tell me he can not make the speed limit 55 again?"
Think about this, please, really. You can't tell me the price of oil would not go down immediately.
Dick Chaney is in Saudi Arabia today asking the king to increase production because the price of gasoline is bring down our economy. Why is he there?
Why can't George Bush lower the speed limit which would increase the inventories of oil on the world market creating a glut of oil? This is something he could have done all along but has not. Why? Why does he keep putting the responsibility on everyone else to fix this situation? He can fix it. What is waiting for? This would stimulate the economy. I did not like driving 55 either, but I need to be able to live and pay my bills so driving 55 does not seem so bad.
George Bush needs to called out on this immediately and I mean right now. He could do this with a signature. Leader of the free world? He should be impeached for this.
Ken Mitchell

Posted by: Ken | March 23, 2008 4:36 PM

Just reading these responses ought to worry any Democratic strategist -- everyone writing here knows who they support and they aren't supporting them -- they are critizing the other candidate....what does that say once a candidate is chosen? As for Richardson -- instead of saying he loves listening to himself, maybe folks ought to consider why someone who was thought to be a Hilary running mate possibility would go the other way. Hispanics don't like blacks and blacks don't like Hispanics -- (I love working stereotypes) so what's Richardson's motive? Really and truly --- WHAT does another Clinton administration bring to the table? I don't think "coming together" is possible anymore -- so where is Al Gore taking Obama as his running mate and Hilary goes to Majority Leader?

Posted by: PA Indep | March 23, 2008 4:37 PM

Although, she has no chance of winning. Hillary is willing to burn down the village she (had someone else write) of. As for Carville, the act of he and his wife has gotten old and tired. There's a new wind of change in the air and people like the Carville's and Clinton's are finding it somewhat difficult to adjust.

On to the nomination.

OBAMA 08!

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 4:37 PM

Although, she has no chance of winning. Hillary is willing to burn down the village she (had someone else write) of. As for Carville, the act of he and his wife has gotten old and tired. There's a new wind of change in the air and people like the Carville's and Clinton's are finding it somewhat difficult to adjust.

On to the nomination.

OBAMA 08!

Posted by: breh/California | March 23, 2008 4:37 PM

He is looking after himself. Clinton does not need him as she does well with Hispanics. He won't be on her ticket or in her cabinet.

On the other hand Obama needs the hispanic vote.

Therefore politics as usual.

Posted by: kathy | March 23, 2008 4:38 PM

The google trends posted at the top by davidmwe compare Hillary Clinton to Barack Obama. Who would search for "Barack Obama" when "obama" would do the trick? If you compare "Barack Obama, Obama, Hillary Clinton, Clinton" you'll see the real trends. For what they're worth.

Posted by: whitehatgirl | March 23, 2008 4:38 PM

Obama can't win the general, too many Clinton suporters will either stay in home or will go to Mc Cain, the Democratic party is to divided now by race,gender and age,you olly have to see how much animosity is in either side of the comments,Obama will not be able to lure Clinton suporters to his side in enough numbers to win the election,but I must say that if Clinton is the nomine the same is true for her,blacks will not vote for her,and without them she will not win,Obama will have to wait 4 more years and HRC will still be senator Clinton instead of madam president.

Posted by: victor | March 23, 2008 4:38 PM

Obama can't win the general, too many Clinton suporters will either stay in home or will go to Mc Cain, the Democratic party is to divided now by race,gender and age,you olly have to see how much animosity is in either side of the comments,Obama will not be able to lure Clinton suporters to his side in enough numbers to win the election,but I must say that if Clinton is the nomine the same is true for her,blacks will not vote for her,and without them she will not win,Obama will have to wait 4 more years and HRC will still be senator Clinton instead of madam president.

Posted by: victor | March 23, 2008 4:38 PM

The kind of malice that generated 911 was likely formulated down a long hallway that the CIA.

Posted by: Entitled Politicians for Change | March 23, 2008 4:39 PM

SHAME ON THOSE TEARING UP THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. AREN'T WE TIRED OF BUSH-CLINTON-BUSH ALREADY? ARE AMERICANS SO DUMB TO GO MONARCHY? ISN'T 8 YEARS OF CLINTON ENOUGH FOR AMERICA? ARE IN DICTATORSHIP HERE? WHY DO THE CLINTONS THINK THEY ARE ENTITLED TO THIS PRESIDENCY FOR LIFE. SAHEM ON GOV RENDELL. I'M A REPUBLICAN AND WE JUST CAN'T STOP LAUGHING AT THE GREEDY DEMOCRATS. IF YOU'RE TIRED OF BEING MARGINALIZED, PLEASE COME OVER TO THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE WHERE MINORITIES ROSE BEYOND BACKEND SECRETARIES POSITIONS THAT THE DEMOCRATS CAN AFFORD. THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS OPEN TO ALL, UNLIKE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. LIKE BUSH SAID THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TAKES MINORITIES VOTES FOR GRANTED, HENCE THE PUSH THEM UNDER THE TABLE TO EAT CRUMBS.

Posted by: john scott | March 23, 2008 4:39 PM

One cable news cast said today that there are 60,000,000 people who haven't voted yet.

Let's wait to hear from them before we crown Obama King of America, to do with us as he pleases. gw.

Posted by: Grace | March 23, 2008 4:40 PM

The kind of malice that generated 911 was likely formulated down a long hallway at the CIA.

Posted by: Entitled Politicians for Change | March 23, 2008 4:40 PM

let's see... since Feb 4,.. 62 superdelegates go to Obama. Clinton? lost 5, gained 2?
Obama '08.

Posted by: Dahveed | March 23, 2008 4:40 PM

I'M SO OVER THE CLINTONS...RICHARDSON IS RIGHT: THE FUTURE BELONGS TO OBAMA AND THE NEW GENERATION OF DEMOCRATS WHO SUPPORT HIM. WHEN A WOMAN IN HIS OWN RIGHT WILL SEEK THE U.S. PRESIDENCY, IT WILL BE A WONDERFUL MOMENT. IT IS NOT HAPPENING NOW.
FOR THE GOOD OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, HILLARY AND BILL SHOULD ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THEY CANNOT CONTINUE WITH THE "DIVIDE ET IMPERA" APPROACH AND MOVE ON INSTEAD OF CONTINUING THE BLEEDING. OBAMA IS THE CLEAR CHOSEN FOR THE NOMINATION. A VERY DIFFICULT TIME FOR ALL AMERICAN IS AHEAD...SO WHY NOT TO GET PASSED THIS SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT THAT THE CLINTONS HAVE? THE COUNTRY WILL REMEMBER THEM FONDLY INSTEAD OF AS SELF SERVING PEOPLE.

Posted by: Lucia | March 23, 2008 4:41 PM

Lobbyists and PACs pretty much own Clinton, but Obama won't take money from either of them.

Obama wants to talk to our enemies to try to make peace, while Hilary says that he can't do that. Yes he can, and yes he will.

Hilary has really turned me off in this campaign. I used to like her - but no more.
She won't change anything significant.

Three Cheers for Governor Richardson!

Support Barack Obama - if you want a better nation, that will wage peace - instead of war, and a government that will work for the people, rather than for the PACs!

Posted by: John ONeill | March 23, 2008 4:42 PM

If Hillary becomes the nominee, the election becomes a referendum on Bill Clinton vs. George Bush's Presidency.

That's a Guarenteed win for Democrats.

Bill Clinton turned a Republican deficit into a Democratic Surplus.

Everybody did well when Bill was President.

People remember those days very fondly.

Hillary will win by a landslide.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 4:42 PM

The comments that point out that the infighting within the Democratic party may hand McCain the election are right.

Being neither Democrat nor Republican, I do not agree that Hillbillary or Obama are the right person for president at this time.

And McCain scares the bleep out of me with that '100 more years of war' talk.

So far this "historic" presidential election has proven to be historically disheartening.

Posted by: Cranky_Old_Batt | March 23, 2008 4:42 PM

Happy Easter everybody!

Posted by: Barack Obama | March 23, 2008 4:43 PM

"Why is it that whenever the Obama campaign goes after Clinton, it is just criticism.

However, any remark from the Clinton campaign is viewed as "gutter" politics.

They threw up a picture of Wright & Bill Clinton together; Obama calls Hillary Clinton a liar; Bill Clinton is referred to as a Joe McCarthy; Hillary Clinton's character is "questioned"."

Because its not an attack when its true.

"picture of Wright & Bill Clinton together" - shows that Wright was not as fringe as people make him out to be.


"Obama calls Hillary Clinton a liar" - true:
Exhibit A: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOsGo_HWP-c

Let me know if your interested in B-Z.


"Bill Clinton is referred to as a Joe McCarthy" - maybe you're right here.

"Hillary Clinton's character is "questioned"." - Ask the women of Northern Ireland if Hillary organized them. Hillary was privately against NAFTA but cheerleaded for it.


All of Hillary's claims are false. Plus Rev. Wright is no worse than Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson and no one is claiming John McCain is a bigot.

Posted by: UncleRemus | March 23, 2008 4:43 PM

Hillary's campaign is like the hitchiker,who,as you pass them by, gives you the finger.

Posted by: borage | March 23, 2008 4:43 PM

i find it very easy to beleive that the Clinton campaign would lable anyone a traitor, or worse, who failed to support what she has come to believe is her right to sit in Oval Office as president. Reminds me of George W labeling anyone who disagreed to his war in Iraq, or the way he chose to fight it, Un-American.

Here I thought this was a nation with a constitutional right to agree or disagree with his or her elected officals. Isn't this how Stalin and Hitler first characterized their opposition?

Posted by: A Montgom | March 23, 2008 4:43 PM

Jerome writes: "I would vote Republican before I hand off this great country to a man who has shown to be the liar and manipulator " which is exactly my point and my concern. We don't consider candidatres anymore -- elections are like ebay auctions....we want to WIN (folks seem to forget that when you win on ebay, you have to BUY something and pay for it -- you won nothing but the right to pay the most money)Likewise with this election -- you cannot support your candidate up until they are not in it and then support the other side! Anyone who "hates" Obama has been drinking the Clinton koolaid. It's not that Obama should be the most qualified -- but how is someone that supports Hillary (and is presumable a democrat) helping by saying he'd rather vote Republican than Obama? Who wins then? McCain -- who was only the least offensive Republican candidate?

Posted by: PA Independend | March 23, 2008 4:44 PM

Our reality is changing at increasingly growing rate and each of us are free beings to choose what suites us and then love or fear (or somewhere in between) about all the rest what is happening inside each of us, as well as around us.

And so many opinions presented in this analytical article reflects how wonderful it is, to have such are wide circle of opinions about important issues that Senator Obama so eloquently presented to the people, to inspire each of us to ponder and choose better and more enlightened and loving ways to relate between all races and all people.

Some of us already learned that all, which brings unpleasant emotions in us, are aspects in us, that we came to this life to learn about and then transcend them, and it only depends on our individual choices we make with our thoughts about what we see, hear, sense, feel, smell and taste.

And all that depends on our already attained individual, self level of consciousness of each of us, and how we react to the news and presentations from and about every candidate.

Those different arays of reactions are like flowers of different colors blooming from our selves.

To me and many others that I know, Senator's Obama message was very loving and crystal clear, and I know he spoke from his heart that was guiding his speech more and deeper that of any other candidate who is still are in the race.

Heart intelligence is much higher that of the mind, and mind is always very creative to find excuses to stay in old comforts and in old beliefs.

And so many are so accustomed to be guided by mind and therefore feel uneasy and even think that they are being compelled to find flaws in others, while not being aware that those reactions are only reflection on what's they are working to learn and transcend in themselves. It's very individual and always comes in time when a person ready to make those new choices.

But increasingly more and more people are reaching point of no return, where they love and respect each candidate unconditionally.

And I invite each of you, reading here to find more love and joy in your life, more respect and understanding that we all are equal and we all are worthy to love and be ourselves and let others to be equal and worthy of our love and respect.

While not to choose and leave hate, fear and other negativity in past, as that will only brings more of the same.

The old is disintegrating and new is birthing now.

Hope is always higher emotion than any negative emotion, especially fear or hate, blame or even boredom, and I invite each of you to choose hope - hope of new brighter future for all of us and our children. Future of peace, future of prosperity, future of freedom, future of love... and the more you choose to focus on it - the sooner it will manifest for all of us.

Of course you are free to doubt, to fear, to hate, to blame and experience more doubt, more fear, more hate and more blame in your lives as well. Is all is just a simple choice. So why not to make wiser choices now?

And growingly more and more of us do each day! Yes We Can !

And Yes - YOU CAN too! And only YOU CAN CHOOSE! Be wiser ! Be smarter !

Shine your light to this world !

Posted by: Crystal | March 23, 2008 4:44 PM

Bill Richardson's "endorsement" of Obama is but a few days old and he's already talking in the Obama cliches we've been hearing for months. That works nicely if you're planning to be the next Vice President of the U.S. But I'm disappointed. I thought Richardson had more imagination. His words are as tiresome as Obama's because they are Obama's. Richardson had the right to run for President as do all natural born American citizens, but in reality, he had no business being on stage with the original group way back in time to the first debate. He's a little chunky (very cute, too), but he's a lightweight.

Posted by: Mandelay | March 23, 2008 4:44 PM

Why can't we just agree that Rev. Wright is right: The reason there are poor people and people in prison is because white people are evil. Only by electing Obama can white guilt be partially erased and Mrs. Obama can be proud of America.

Posted by: Phineas Barnum | March 23, 2008 4:44 PM


Mr. Richardson is a no one - he was a no one before the Clintons helped his sorry butt and he is still a no one.

Mr. Richards, Daschel, Dodd, Kerry, Kennedy, Bradley - they are all using him as their token black candidate. They will run everything behind the scenes because Mr. Bama doesn't know a freaking thing. If John McCain doesn't clean his clock there will be four years and then back to the Publicans.

Mr. Obama has never done anything in government other than to sign on to other peoples legislation. Once again, a hand out from the boys club.

Those boys can't stand the thought of a strong woman telling them what to do. Wimps.

Mr. Richardson is a no one and they just put him out there to - once again - change the subject.

Mr. Obama is so babied we're going to have to install a nursery in the Senate.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 4:45 PM

Race should not divide America the way it is at this election. To move on, those guilty of the slave trade and racism should say sorry like the Australian Prime Minister did about the "Stolen Generation". If anybody feels a hunch about these twin evils of American History, they should reconcile with their history and give Obama a chance to unite Americans.

Posted by: Foncachobang | March 23, 2008 4:46 PM

Richardson: "You know, what about the rest of us?" he asked. That's Richardson-speak for "What about me?" This guy has never opened his mouth without uttering some form of "Look how great I am. Elect me president"

I hope Richardson has his fising license because his endorsement of Obama is nothing but a VP fishing expedition.

Posted by: MoralProtagonist | March 23, 2008 4:46 PM

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Also think Richardson. Isn't he the guy that stole some papers out of the Law Library or some other organization that was illegal? He almost got in criminal trouble for it - I don't remember how he talked his way out of that one. He said he accidently took them out in his briefcase or something. gw.

Posted by: Grace | March 23, 2008 04:32 PM

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that was sandy berger. he was clinton's national security adviser. he was stuffing documents from the national archive in his socks and pants. and i don't think it was to give himself a bulge. LOL

Posted by: presGWBfanclub | March 23, 2008 4:46 PM

Race should not divide America the way it is at this election. To move on, those guilty of the slave trade and racism should say sorry like the Australian Prime Minister did about the "Stolen Generation". If anybody feels a hunch about these twin evils of American History, they should reconcile with their history and give Obama a chance to unite Americans.

Posted by: Foncachobang | March 23, 2008 4:46 PM

I agree with 'Entitled Politicians for More Entitled Politicians' comment that 'Hillary is not scum!' HILLARY IS AN OIL TANKER FILLED WITH SCUM. TURN HER AWAY BEFORE SHE SPILLS HER SCUM ON ALL OF US.

Posted by: Dave | March 23, 2008 4:46 PM

I agree with 'Entitled Politicians for More Entitled Politicians' comment that 'Hillary is not scum!' HILLARY IS AN OIL TANKER FILLED WITH SCUM. TURN HER AWAY BEFORE SHE SPILLS HER SCUM ON ALL OF US.

Posted by: Dave | March 23, 2008 4:46 PM

I agree with 'Entitled Politicians for More Entitled Politicians' comment that 'Hillary is not scum!' HILLARY IS AN OIL TANKER FILLED WITH SCUM. TURN HER AWAY BEFORE SHE SPILLS HER SCUM ON ALL OF US.

Posted by: Dave | March 23, 2008 4:46 PM

I agree with 'Entitled Politicians for More Entitled Politicians' comment that 'Hillary is not scum!' HILLARY IS AN OIL TANKER FILLED WITH SCUM. TURN HER AWAY BEFORE SHE SPILLS HER SCUM ON ALL OF US.

Posted by: Dave | March 23, 2008 4:46 PM

Richardson is the Dog that bit the hand that fed him. As he now begs for scraps from the Obama table, why would Obama ever trust a Judas as Richardson has revealed himself to be. When Hillary wins her campaign and receives the 2008 Democratic nomination, the name of Obama and Richardson will join the ranks of Rev. Wright, Ron Paul, and Ralph Nader... just a 15 second blip in the Political radar. Does anyone in their right mind believe that an African American with a "hate whitey" agenda will ever be ALLOWED to be elected as President of the United States?

Posted by: vote Hillary 08 | March 23, 2008 4:47 PM

Grace: Richardson did not steal any papers. That was Sandy Berger. You should do some research so that you don't spew lies about Governor Richardson.

http://www.brookesnews.com/042607_berger.html

Posted by: Karen | March 23, 2008 4:48 PM

Well, let's step back from the histrionics and look at what Carville actually said. Doesn't anyone think that comparing Richardson to Judas is a bit ludicrous? And who exactly would that makes Hilary in that analogy, Christ? Please. Carville becomes more of a caricature of himself every day.

Richardson should probably not have even dignified such a remark, but I agree wholeheartedly with his response. This whole "turncoat" business is silly and overly dramatic (which is, of course, what cable news loves, and thus it's probably why Carville said it).


Posted by: logan | March 23, 2008 4:48 PM

Guess what, this democrat will be happy to give my vote for McCain if Obama gets the nomination. Believe me, I am not alone -- lots of democrats who are truly unhappy with the Obama campaign will do the same.

Posted by: Lee | March 23, 2008 4:48 PM

What an interesting point -- does Obama really want delegates to follow their constitutiency -- or is that only in the states in which he's winning? If Richardson were to follow his constitutiency he'll be placing his vote for Clinton. So where does leave Obama then?

And why doesn't Obama stand up and speak out for voters in Florida and Michigan? Are they polling against him so that's why he doesn't want their votes to count?

Posted by: Katy | March 23, 2008 4:48 PM

HILLARY: PLEASE, get a little class for once in your life, and GO AWAY !!

Your chances of getting the nomination are zilch. Save yourself $$$ millions. Save the Democratic Party from going down the drain.

PLEASE, go back to New York, or better yet, Arkansas, and LEAVE US ALONE !!

Posted by: Ingrid | March 23, 2008 4:48 PM

HILLARY: PLEASE, get a little class for once in your life, and GO AWAY !!

Your chances of getting the nomination are zilch. Save yourself $$$ millions. Save the Democratic Party from going down the drain.

PLEASE, go back to New York, or better yet, Arkansas, and LEAVE US ALONE !!

Posted by: Ingrid | March 23, 2008 4:49 PM

HILLARY: PLEASE, get a little class for once in your life, and GO AWAY !!

Your chances of getting the nomination are zilch. Save yourself $$$ millions. Save the Democratic Party from going down the drain.

PLEASE, go back to New York, or better yet, Arkansas, and LEAVE US ALONE !!

Posted by: Ingrid | March 23, 2008 4:49 PM

The Clinton's practice "Old School Karl Rove-style" politics. And it shows. Haven't we had enough of the back room deals, say-anything to get elected, destroy your opponent, and damn-the-American-People politics??

http://www.cafepress.com/wetnoodle

Posted by: cafepress.com/wetnoodle | March 23, 2008 4:49 PM

Well Hillary has twisted the truth about everything for so many years that now it comes naturally for her ...........She claims all sorts of experience but just being a first lady for 8 years does not make her presidental material .She has stretched the truth about some of her trips like claiming they were underfire , you and i both know any sectret service person is not going to let a first lady ( even Hillary ) get in the line of fire and we both know there are flight controllers , pilots and everyone but her knowing what is happening that if the airpirt was under fire they would not attempt to land .It is funny only her and one of her yes men remmeber any fire ...Sinbad and others do not recall any fire and what would they have to gain by lying ? She also had the chance to do something about the healthcare when Bill put her in charge the first term and she failed and they had 8 full years and did not better it any. She is so power driven that she let Bill make a complete a*** of herself over the Monica issue ..she could not control or know anything about her husband and his antics given his reputation when he was governor and we are supposed to think she is a smart on top of it woman >>>>>>.she is palin scary is what she is ..........

Posted by: tootie | March 23, 2008 4:49 PM

What bothers me the most is how much of total hypocrite and fraud Obama is.

He's the slickest Chicago politician in years, not Jesus.

His supporters talk about how great a person he is but his actions show him to be anything but that.

The fact that he got elected in Chicago by forcing every other candidate off the ballot using legal loopholes, and especially the fact that he let the people who voted for him freeze to death in slums in his own district that his friend Rezko got $100M to repair or replace but didn't touch, speaks volumes about the kind of person Barry Obama really is.

The mask is coming off.

The real Barry Obama is a really bad guy!!!

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 4:49 PM

And another thing, sleaze meisters like Carville (an advisor?), Penn, and Wolfson (leaving out Ickes) are employed by the Clintons. Think about what that says about Bill and Hillary's executive decision making? HC continues to unravel revealing herself to be an angry unlikeable windbag. Read Gail Sheehy's biography of her, "Hillary's Choice." Get the freakin facts from a reliable source. Not like the Clinton's!

Posted by: Dahveed | March 23, 2008 4:49 PM

I am still waiting for Obama to tell me more on his position on the issues. He has been feeding us with abstracts, I can hardly see through the fog of his speeches. Please Obama, more substance and less abstracts.

Posted by: johnsilverstone | March 23, 2008 4:50 PM

As I think about the rhetoric in these comment posts now compared to a couple months ago, I really have to wonder how the Democrats are going to be able to pull themselves together again after a nominee is finally chosen. Earlier in the primary season, supporters for both candidates were vigorous in their support, but actually seemed to recognize that the other candidate could be good as well. People, too, also seemed to think for themselves in these posts. Now, however, people seem to do little more than repeat the talking points of the campaigns' various hit men, and the tone is downright vicious. I mean, look at how many people are doing little more in these posts than calling Richardson a traitor--there is no thought, no insight, no personal agency in any of this. Obama's supporters seem to be managing little better. Both sides are so blindly, madly urging their candidate that they see little else, and winners and losers alike will continue to feel little else for the other side but anger and resentment after a nominee is chosen.

Democrats benefited to a point having a vigorous nomination season, but sometime around Ohio and Texas, the continuing race became more a liability. Lines have been drawn in the sand, and nobody seems willing to bridge them, and I have to wonder if a large portion of the party won't continue to sulk behind those lines in November.

The situation in the country still favors Democrats in the fall, and I expect that the party will see impressive gains in the House and Senate. In the presidential contest, however, Democrats seem to be doing everything they can to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

This isn't even to say that the party needs to rally right now behind one candidate or another. Democrats could use this continuing primary to keep themselves more prominently in the spotlight, and Clinton and Obama are in the spotlight right now, much more so than McCain, who remains an afterthought even in the minds of many Republicans until the Democratic contest is settled. But the spotlight is showing a lot more ugliness than beauty at the moment, and this is where Democrats are squandering their chances.

Posted by: blert | March 23, 2008 4:50 PM

Sadly, Gov. Rendell accuses others of bad faith and then he goes on Fox News with an interview with Steve Centanni and has the audacity to utter a BALD FACED LIE -
Gov Rendell said that Obama stopped the Michigan revote. A BALD FACED LIE.

Then Rendell goes on to say that gov Richardson "wants "us" to get out" of the campaign. Since when is it "us" Gov Rendell. I thought it was Hillary's campaign to give up not.

Of course Steve Centanni let him get away with these things, it is FOX afterall.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 4:50 PM

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Hillary's campaign is like the hitchiker,who,as you pass them by, gives you the finger.

Posted by: borage | March 23, 2008 04:43 PM

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well.. i guess that only means one thing. we need to pass the clintons.. stop 100 feet up the road, and then as hillary and billary come running up out of breath.. we need to TAKE OFF! and then stop yet another 100 feet up the road... and yell out the window to them, "soooooorry...." and then when hillary and billary come running up yet again this time REALLY out of breath.. we need to TAKE OFF AGAIN! let's f* with the clintons!!! :) :) :)

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 4:50 PM

It's all very simple. "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." Bill Clinton is a scoundrel reduced to his last refuge. QED
(I note with interest. Clinton gave this speech to a veteran's organization just as McCarthy made his "57 Communists" charge before a similar meeting 1950 or 51.)

Posted by: Phrank | March 23, 2008 4:51 PM

Bill Richardson bit the hand that fed him because he sees another Cabinet job in his future. It does not take much insite to disrobe this opportunist. A man who must tell you he is Hispanic, as a card to play for Obama, however it will take more than him for the Hispanics to line up with the Blacks.

Shame on you Bill. But you don't know the low class thing you have done, do you?

Don Jones
MyManJohn.com

Posted by: Don Jones | March 23, 2008 4:51 PM

There are many Democrats well qualified to be president to choose from. The looming stalemated convention should release the delegates,including a 50/50 split from Michigan and Florida, and select one who could unite the party. Obama and Clinton have produced a polarized divide too deep and wide for either to overcome. I would be using every bit of skill I have to convince Powell to move over and run against those who dismissed his wisdom when it was needed. Powell and any number of others would be their dream ticket.

Posted by: Valjean | March 23, 2008 4:51 PM

Thanks for your comments Dave.

We'll be having a meet up next week on the topic of "Which Entitled Politicians are an Oil Tanker Full of Scum and Which are Not." We recognized the need for this educational session because so many of us Entitled Politicians are confused about the topic. Will keep you posted.

Posted by: Entitled Politicians for More Entitled Politicians | March 23, 2008 4:52 PM

it is a sad year for the people of the US. the democrats can not win because of a white woman and a black man. what was started is undone. the war will go on and the ecomony will fall. both partys will be losers. is the US doomed? john McCain will win, the democrats are divided. there is no hope.

Posted by: donald share | March 23, 2008 4:52 PM

capone1 |

McSame?? LOL - my -- you Obama uspporters are just exactly like your counterparts in Bush Supporters group.

And let me be clear where you weren't - that is NOT a compliment!

Posted by: Katy | March 23, 2008 4:52 PM

Bill Richardson and Obama a great choice.
As a New Yorker, I am still looking to see
what Hillary has done in NY? NOTHING for New York, OK! The Clinton's are high on the horse, and that is it. So dishonest with the rest of the rats in NY, Spitzer was one of her friends. They cannot be trust!!!! They take money for favors!

Vote Obama!

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 4:52 PM

osirisravanz posted:

OBAMA/RICHARDSON

AFRICAN AMERICAN POPULATION 18%

HISPANIC AMERICAN POPULATION 33 %

the reality is that the Hispanic voter block will overwhelmingly vote for the chance to have the first Hispanic Vice President.

so what does that mean? It means that OBAMA/RICHARDSON ticket would only need 10% of the white vote to have a blowout in November, Richardson knows that.

So what are people waiting for? Come on, everybody!!! Let's do the black and brown boogie. I will vote for Obama in November.

If Hillary and Bill destroy the party by forcing her nomination on the American people, I will not toss my personal dignity into the trash can and vote for Hillary or McCain or whoever the Rethuglican candidate may be. I will not vote at all!!!

Posted by: RickCadena | March 23, 2008 4:53 PM

Obama.What a ham!!

Posted by: dimitri | March 23, 2008 4:54 PM

In answer to those who say Richardson and Kennedy and Kerry should not support Obama because their states did not go for Obama, I have this to say:

Democratic primaries are not "winner take all" in terms of delegates. It just so happens that much of Massachusetts DID go for Obama. Are those voters to be ignored??

As for New Mexico, that race was very, very close. Clinton "won" by less than one percentage point. Bill Richardson has every right to endorse Obama.

Clinton supporters use every chance they get to twist and distort things. I guess they have to because the REALITY IS that Clinton has about one chance in 1,000 of winning the nomination.

Posted by: Ralph G. | March 23, 2008 4:54 PM


Is that a beard Richardson has or is he trying out for the next Lord of the Rings movie?

Scary.

He is a freaking Judas. No question about that.

Latinos don't look up to him for anything. What kind of joke is that supposed to be? Latinos will stay home during the general election if Obama steals this. Count on it.

WHO NEEDS VOTER FRAUD WHEN THERE IS A GUY NAMED OBAMA?

WE THOUGH GEORGE BUSH WAS BAD DISENFRANCHISING ONE STATE.

OBAMA IS TWISTING ARMS AND LEGS TO DISENFRANCHISE TWO STATES
If Florida and Michigan voters rights are protected, Hillary Clinton will win this nomination hands down - Obama is twisting arms and legs to keep those AMERICAN CITIZEN votes and voices from being counted. He is illegitimate. Why should he care? He doesn't even like America or it's flag.

Mr. Obama would be an illegitimate president (we won't even capitalize that in the same sentence with his name).

He stole the states he has won by not answering questions that were asked about his past.

He is a con man with a twenty year attendance in a rabid racist church.

He may appoint Farrakhan ambassador to the UN. Like his church, Obama never denounced the man until he was asked to.

Mr. Obama is a con man.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 4:54 PM

People saying that the superdelegates should vote by states goes back to the old south and the confederate uprising. The superdelegates should vote for who the country wants, not what their individual state wants, and thats what Richardson and Obama are saying.

Posted by: Vequor | March 23, 2008 4:54 PM

"If Hillary becomes the nominee, the election becomes a referendum on Bill Clinton vs. George Bush's Presidency.

That's a Guarenteed win for Democrats.

Bill Clinton turned a Republican deficit into a Democratic Surplus.

Everybody did well when Bill was President.

People remember those days very fondly.

Hillary will win by a landslide."

Unfortunately, it becomes a race about all the "experience" John McCain has that Hillary falsely claims she has.

John McCain wins that one.

I'm beginning to wonder if she can claim exclusive credit for anything, esp after the Bosnia whopper. For each "accomplishment", the people there seem to dispute it. Are they all liars? How deep does the deceit go?

Posted by: UncleRemus | March 23, 2008 4:55 PM

Let Obama have this nomination and let us make sure he loses in GE so that he can never run again.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 4:55 PM

correction.oops
Obama.what a sham!!

Posted by: dimitri | March 23, 2008 4:55 PM

Obama is the best candidate of the 3 remaining. Hillary is a good candidate, but not as visionary and overall well balanced as Obama. McCain is a nice guy, but with wrong ideas.

Posted by: Mark | March 23, 2008 4:56 PM

The Clinton's have always cut the corner of truth and decency... just enough too look like they are playing by the rules... but the 90's have dated them and their politics. They are dinosaurs.

Posted by: Matt | March 23, 2008 4:56 PM

Pretty far out, saying Obama is a uniter. How many Americans shop, work etc. at Wal-mart, yet Obama equates being on the Wal-mart board of directors with his long-time ties with the sleazy "fixer" Rezko.

How many Americans, of whatever race, are patriotic? How many of them are proud to display the flag? I imagine most Americans would say they supported ousting Saddam Hussein, but they don't support how the effort was carried out. Obama disparages the judgment of the majority.

So, he has already alienated about 65-70% of Americans. At least 1/3 of the rest are probably turned off by his growing record of dishonesty. Remember for example that he initially claimed he didn't know Rezko and only worked 5 hours for him, when he later had to admit to the decade long relationship with his neighbor (Rezko) who he purchased houses with on the same day in 2005.

So, he's united the Starbucks crowd, but his appeal beyond that and the African Americans who formerly loved Clinton and now hate her (racist reaction?)is very limited. Hopefully Clinton will pull it out so the Dems can run a feasible candidate.

Posted by: kevin h | March 23, 2008 4:56 PM

Write in Mike Gravel for President!

Posted by: Mike Gravel | March 23, 2008 4:56 PM

After reading these comments, I am off to place some money on McCain as the likely next president.

I honestly can't see any significant policy differences between Obama and Clinton. But I will say that as an outside observer, if Obama can't be nominated because of his preacher's comments, or his wife's comments, then no black will ever be president of the United States.

To pretend there are black leaders who have no friends, family, etc. who have expressed bitterness towards America as run by it's white majority is to be a fraud. What it really means is you can only be president if you are a white.

Again, to an outsider, Clinton is a creditable first woman candidate and Obama is a creditable first black candidate. If the Dems were exited by the luxuory of this choice, they would be well positioned to unite around the winner and capture the presidency. But it looks instead as thought they will drag each other through the mud until those who felt some hope have turned away in disgust and the rest turn to bomber McCain as the cleanest of a dirty lot.

How sad. And many of the folks commenting here are the cause of it just as much as the political professionals engaging in sly innuendo and backhanded racism or sexism.

But you do make it easier to pick a winner on the Iowa Electronic Markets.

A northern neighbour

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 4:57 PM

My name is Scum, and I disapprove this message -- particularly the part which associates me with Senator Clinton's campaign. I am not associated with her, I do not support her, and I think she would be the worst president ever.

Scum

Posted by: Scum | March 23, 2008 4:57 PM


NOBAMA/RICARDSON

Es cierto que asco estos dos.

No vamos a votar por NOBAMA...


We will not vote for Obama no matter who he tries to peddle in front of us.

His biggoted and racist ties have been discovered for the world to see. He sat in a church for 20 years and was OK with the racism, anti american and biggoted views of his pastor....while most of us would of done the right thing and walked away from that hatred.

We cannot support someone who thinks of white people as "typical white person". His views of white American came to light....after the majority of states have voted....otherwise he would not be here.

Latinos/Hispanics are not stupid ....how long before he shows us how he really feels about our community.

We will vote Clinton or McCain before we vote Obama.

Posted by: chula | March 23, 2008 4:57 PM

I'm glad to see Richardson's endorsement.

Obama has inspired many of us by speaking the truth about the war, and the need to address health care and education, to create jobs, and bring America together to get this done.

He is the only candidate to try to bridge the generational, racial, gender, and political divides in the interest of the good of the country. He has almost one million more votes than Clinton, and has has more delegates. He will be a great president.

Request to people who post comments: Please try to be civil. Nasty personal remarks are totally unnecessary, and are the ugly underside of our political process.

Posted by: Nancy | March 23, 2008 4:57 PM

Can't we all just get along?

Posted by: Former President Gore | March 23, 2008 4:58 PM

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As I think about the rhetoric in these comment posts now compared to a couple months ago, I really have to wonder how the Democrats are going to be able to pull themselves together again after a nominee is finally chosen. Earlier in the primary season, supporters for both candidates were vigorous in their support, but actually seemed to recognize that the other candidate could be good as well."

Posted by: blert | March 23, 2008 04:50 PM

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blert... i don't think we will pull together.

two things here as i see them.

1) you have always heard the democrats always seem to self destruct before someone has the chance to destroy them. i believe that... but only because of reason #2.

2) i think it is because, as an "alternative" party, the dems views are as diverse as the people themselves... so, you will always have people siding against the other. the replublicans aren't like that. they are smurfs. the repubs are all the same. but then again with the dems.. you always have a spoiler... be it a ralph nader, or in todays case, a hillary who will do ANYTHING to get to the office of the presidency.. and she will try and completely trash her opponent in order to accomplish it. obama said he would run a clean campaign, and he has. hillary and her husband are both disgusting. i can't even tell who is running for office.. hillary, or billary...

self destruction at it's finest.

* B O O M *

Posted by: presGWBfanclub | March 23, 2008 4:59 PM

Calling Richardson a traitor to the Clintons is pretty sick. Just because they helped his career doesn't mean he owes them his support if he thinks another candidate would be better. He didn't attack the Clintons when he endorsed Obama, he said nice things about them. Incredible the way the Clintonians and Obamans are forgetting that the larger political enemy for both of them is the R's.

Posted by: newageblues | March 23, 2008 4:59 PM

I liked Richardson at one time, but he should be criticizing an administration whose reaction is "So?" to citizen's opposition to their policies, not taking part in yet another Democratic circular firing squad. Life was a lot better under the Clinton's watch, and if Big Dog plays a part in a new administration, that's fine with me, because things right now pretty much suck.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 4:59 PM

I liked Richardson at one time, but he should be criticizing an administration whose reaction is "So?" to citizen's opposition to their policies, not taking part in yet another Democratic circular firing squad. Life was a lot better under the Clinton's watch, and if Big Dog plays a part in a new administration, that's fine with me, because things right now pretty much suck.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 4:59 PM

I hold Gov. Richardson in high esteem. He is a highly sophisticated individual with moderate views on politics. Those in the Clinton campaign are examples of sour grapes.

Gov. Richardson is pleading for unity in the Democratic party. Many of us do feel that the Clinton campaign is in disarray. Their strategy keeps backfiring on them. The implication in Bill Clinton's statement that Barak Obama is not a patriot is shameful.

Posted by: An Academic | March 23, 2008 5:00 PM

Some info on Bill Richardson:

"Richardson has spent nearly his entire career as a public servant. A Democrat from New Mexico, he was elected to the U.S. House of Representatives in 1983 and served until January 1997. As a congressman he was chief deputy Democratic whip and sat on the Commerce, Intelligence, and the Resource committees. In February 1997 he became the U.S. ambassador to the UN. Known as a skilled troubleshooter, Richardson traveled to such hot spots as North Korea, Iraq, Cuba, and Sudan, where he successfully negotiated the release of American hostages. Richardson also mediated discussions between Zaire's former president Mobutu and rebel leader Laurent Kabila, which resulted in the fairly peaceful transfer of power in the country that is now known as the Democratic Republic of Congo. He has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize three times.

In 1998, President Clinton appointed him secretary of energy. In that position, in which he served until 2001, he set aside more than 20,000 acres for wildlife preservation, helped to stem rising oil prices, and ushered in a program to remove from the Colorado River 10 tons of radioactive material.

In 2002 Richardson successfully ran for the governorship of New Mexico. In 2007, he announced his candidacy for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination.

Richardson received a BA from Tufts in 1970 and a MA from Tuft's Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy in 1971.


Posted by: Leigh | March 23, 2008 5:00 PM

Oh how funny that sleazy fat slob loser
phony Hispanic Racist Bill "Judas" Richardson,the original Race Card Player
of 2008,"Did I Tell You That I'm Hispanic"
and new Black Racist Conman Barack Obama
buddy is whining about Hillary Clinton's
aides,after all the Clinton's have done
for this pathetic screw up Richardson no
less. So Barack Hussein Obama if this is
the best you can do,pal is run out a total
village idiot loser like Bill Richardson
to defend you after you and your weirdo
wife Michelle Obama and your Pastor Wright
were exposed as Racists then that shows
just exactly how desperate Obama is now.

Posted by: Sherry Kay 2004 | March 23, 2008 5:00 PM

Amazing that it took the post racial candidate savior/2nd coming, leaps tall buildings, blah,blah,blah, to get the Lame Stream Media to recognize james carville for the lying scumbag hilljack that he is..and always has been. Those who don't imbibe the liberal kool aid pegged this jerk a long time ago.

Posted by: DBCooper | March 23, 2008 5:01 PM

Hurray for Bill Richardson! He knows quality when he sees it.

Posted by: mark | March 23, 2008 5:01 PM

I suspect the number of Democrats who will either stay home or vote Republican if Hillary is nominated are far greater than if Obama is nominated.

1. Hillary has openly stated that McCain would make a better president than her Democratic colleague.
2. Her husband has implied that McCain is American and Obama is un-American.
3. Hillary would be even further behind if not for the votes from the minions of Rush.

Ergo, Hillary obviously feels more comfortable with Republicans than with Democrats.

So, if she's nominated, we have a choice between two good old boy D.C. insider Republicans, and why not vote for the honest one?

With Democrats like Hillary and her neo-Republican supporters (and each and every one of you who support her are in word and deed supporting the Republican party), who needs the Republican party?

Posted by: Joe | March 23, 2008 5:01 PM

Wow. How disheartening to read these posts. What is the matter with people? The name calling, the mud-slinging, the complete paranoia... I am a democrat and I am proud of the two high caliber candidates that we have still running. It is invigorating and I would be thrilled to have either of them in the White House. We, the voters, have just as much ability to make this a clean campaign, by rejecting the self-serving media hype surrounding every little comment that could possibly be twisted and construed as a racist/sexist remark, or a slight. It is in the media and these blogs that these comments/incidents are blown out of all reasonable proportion and take the focus away from real issues. There is no conspiracy here. It is a political race, the spin doctors will always try to give their candidate the advantage. Don't begrudge them that. Just take it for what it is. There have been slips and mistakes on both sides. But that is to be expected, people are only human. Force the media to focus their stories on the real issues and concerns by ignoring the ridiculous fluff articles that are only meant to bait you into an irrational, emotional argument of no substance.

Posted by: Belinda | March 23, 2008 5:02 PM

Bill & Hillary always rule the black vote. This time they can't. Geraldine made the comment about genre and race. Why now?
Because Hillary is losing!
If Obama was losing she wouldn't have said anything about race!!!
The CNN Team a bunch bias anaylst, CNN own by Ted Tuner who supported Bill Clinton when he ran. CNN back-up the Clinton's with air time to influence America about the Clinton's!BIAS!Corrupt team work!

Vote Barack H. Obama

Posted by: Deem | March 23, 2008 5:02 PM

I would not let any of these folk walk my dog

Posted by: Sam | March 23, 2008 5:02 PM

I would not let any of these folk walk my dog

Posted by: Sam | March 23, 2008 5:02 PM

I don't believe the Obama campaign has been duplicitous about superdelegates respecting the will of the people. They are simply stating that the superdelegates should award the nomination to the candidate with the most voter-derived delegates. Pelosi has expressed the same sentiment. I don't believe I have ever heard the Obama campaign say that a specific delegate has to vote the same way as his/her constituents. Here in Washington state, both of our Senators endorsed Clinton long before the caucus and have not switched sides despite Obama winning by a 31 point margin.

Posted by: On Superdelegates | March 23, 2008 5:02 PM

A year ago, I supported Hillary Clinton. But now, after watching her bungle her campaign so badly, I have concluded that her lack of executive skill disqualifies her from the presidency. She had it all at the beginning: huge leads, nepotistic connections, a bulging war chest, and a carefully crafted aura of inevitability. She has given up all that through very poor management and, frankly, a basic laziness in her campaign founded on the belief she deserved to win campaigns just because she was a former First Lady. It was beneath her to work hard, and that is why she lost eleven primaries in a row. Finally, the revelation that she did not even read the National Intelligence Estimate before voting for the war made me lose respect for her. Barack Obama is a more eloquent, visionary leader, and the fact that he has worked his butt off to be where he is earns him my vote. He has outworked and outthought Clinton at every turn. He has focus and attention to detail. That is why he is where he is.

Posted by: FilmMD | March 23, 2008 5:02 PM

Richardson a "freaking Judas"? I am amazed at the many emotionally unbalanced comments posted in this website. Haven't you guys learned anything from your parents? Or from school? Don't you know that normal, honest people can exercise their honest judgement at any time they want? That's the only thing Richardson did: he thinks that Obama is the best candidate, and so he decided to support him. You should all simply respect his choice, in the same way I respect your choice to support other candidates, such as Mrs Clinton or Mr McCain. Be respectful, not neurotic. You'll have a better life, I tell you. Thanks.

Posted by: Mark | March 23, 2008 5:02 PM

Rendell said, "we want to win -- and I think that's what Democrats care most about"

WRONG! I'm a Democrat and I care about leading this country out of the partisan MUCK the Clintons have been a huge part of. It's the CLINTONS who care about winning above everything.

Not that it seems to matter, but I think Obama will win for the Democrats just fine. McCain may be grinning now while Clinton refuses to face the inevitable and drags out the primary, but once the nominee is chosen and all the Democrats' guns point at the Republicans, McCain will have to soberly face how much America is absolutely sick of Bush's administration(s) and how the Republicans rubber stamped his policies.

Peace.

Posted by: egc52556 | March 23, 2008 5:02 PM

Richardson has it right; the Clintons are in the gutter both in campaign tactics and in morals. He is also correct in that the American people don't want to see Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton. If Clinton is elected we will get 8 years of partisan politics with a lot of insider deals that will favor Clinton allies and then the Clintons through cozy post administration deals. A lot of this likely to come out during a lurid Hillary administration and we will pay the price.

Posted by: Jeff in Orlando | March 23, 2008 5:03 PM

Richardson has it right; the Clintons are in the gutter both in campaign tactics and in morals. He is also correct in that the American people don't want to see Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton. If Clinton is elected we will get 8 years of partisan politics with a lot of insider deals that will favor Clinton allies and then the Clintons through cozy post administration deals. A lot of this likely to come out during a lurid Hillary administration and we will pay the price.

Posted by: Jeff in Orlando | March 23, 2008 5:03 PM

Does anyone in their right mind believe that an African American with a "hate whitey" agenda will ever be ALLOWED to be elected as President of the United States?

Posted by: voteHillary08 | March 23, 2008 5:03 PM

All this negativity. What FRIGHTENS you people? No wonder we've have the kind of adminstration in disarray for the past 7 years. You people are satisfied.

Posted by: Greg | March 23, 2008 5:04 PM

richardson has made a deal with obama to be vice president.i guess hillary would not deal. richardson made a bad deal, he will be nothing under john McCain.

Posted by: donald share | March 23, 2008 5:05 PM

Blert, I would share your reservations if I was convinced that the comments here were:

1. Representative of Democrats generally.
2. Entirely intraparty viewpoints.

I think some folks from "freerepublic" and other unpatriotic GOP sites are simply stirring the pot a bit. They are driven by the same motivations as those that drove large numbers of Republicans to vote in Democratic primaries in Ohio, Texas, and Mississippi (e.g. 9% in Texas and 12% in Mississippi -- compared to 4% in previous contests throughout January and February). The goal is to create uncertainty on the Democratic side when there should be none at this stage.

These are the same kind of folks who will continue to interfere with the Democratic nomination process throughout the remainder of the nomination season -- especially now that the GOP contest is over and that there remain some open primaries. All the more reason to wrap up the Democratic nomination contest.

Posted by: JP2 | March 23, 2008 5:05 PM

We need change. We need an economy where every income grows by at least 15% from the poorest to the richest, where millions are lifted out of poverty, where we have a balanced budget, where we have the largest budget surplus in history, where the size of the federal government in absolute numbers is reduced to the smallest since JFK.

Which Democratic candidate is best positioned to bring about this kind of change- the one who can't get his own bills passed by Congress or the one who was part of a White House that for 8 years actually did bring about such an economy. The candidate who wishes he could or the candidate who has? The choice is clear- HIllary.

Posted by: MoralProtagonist | March 23, 2008 5:06 PM

Why is it that the Clinton supporters do not come across on this blog as racist, but many of the Obama supporters clearly are misogynists. Give me a break. We democrats are imploding over this great opportunity to elect a black man or a woman, and we will end up with a stodgier Bush wanna-be in Mc Cain. This saddens me. There is dirt all around. Why can't we let the politics play out as it should, without hatred or intervention? After all the primaries, may the best person win. Afterall, we have two great choices.

Posted by: robin | March 23, 2008 5:06 PM

Hear, hear, PA indep, the vitriol *against* opponents hosted on mainstream media blogs is pretty piqued. I've been wondering why that is for a while--perhaps it's the only place where the two camps actually communicate, as blogs have become increasingly polarized towards one candidate or another. Saying, "I'll not vote for Clinton/Obama if Obama/Clinton becomes the nominee" is getting *really* old, as is spewing sound bites derived from some analysis (e.g. Obama's "Typical White Person" or Clinton's Boznia "whopper".) These sound bites do not tell the whole story. Hey, torchbloggers (you know who you are,) here's a great idea: say something good about your candidate! Try to make it new! That way, when it comes to the general election, we'll all have some currency to use!

Posted by: CC | March 23, 2008 5:06 PM

Hasn't B.R. been paying attention? Almost everyday, the B.O. camp releases a new statement attacking Hillary--whether it's on NAFTA, her first lady schedules, Bill's statements, or her tax returns, or a White House photo opp. w/Wright, there is an attack every 1-3 days. It's OK for HRC to take B.O. to task on the issues--that's what contenders do!

Posted by: John | March 23, 2008 5:06 PM

The politicians have no friends!

Posted by: Brandon | March 23, 2008 5:07 PM

The politicians have no friends!

Posted by: Brandon | March 23, 2008 5:07 PM

Richardson saw an opportunity to possibly win the VP nomination. He grabbed it, although it meant sacrificing the Clintons who virtually made his career in earlier years by helping him get cushy appointments. To give this knife-in-the-back a pretty face, he said it was for the sake of the party (as if he alone had responsibility). Richardson is a politician,------ okay, but don't get in a foxhole in a war with him. You might not survive.

Posted by: zaney8 | March 23, 2008 5:07 PM

Sounds like the whole Hillary campaign staff has been typing away full time in this comment section. To me as a non-partisan observer, it seems like the Democratic side of the campaign is boiling down to "Yes we can" versus "No you can't," and I'm inclined to go towards the positive in this election, having gotten plenty tired of the negative over the past few years.

Posted by: David | March 23, 2008 5:07 PM

The post by Yoyo Ma Ma caught my attention because of the name he chose. But now I can't find it. What happened to it? Nothing new in his message. Like a few others, he used statistics to show that an Obama + Richardson would probably result in their being voted into President and Vice-President, and he avoided insulting Hillary and calling anybody by a bad name. Bravo!
And, believe it or not, I've read that in his much quoted sermon that Minister Wright was READING what he said from a text that had been printed shortly after 9/11. Those were NOT his own words!!! A big hullaballoo all about nothing. I wish there were fewer stupid, angry people in the United States.

Posted by: Babs W. | March 23, 2008 5:07 PM

Judas betrayed Jesus which is why he is despised. One is responsible for his own act.

Posted by: jj | March 23, 2008 5:08 PM

Even though the Clinton supporters seem to see through blind eyes, the Clinton campaign has consistently been in the gutter. The Clinton agenda consists of lying, race-baiting, character assassination and guilt by association. Even against Governor Richardson.

I think its time that Clinton supporters look in the mirror and ask themselves if they still want to go along this dirty campaign.

I'm voting for Senator Obama this November. If he is denied a space on the ballot I will write his name in. And, I am hoping he picks Governor Richardson for Veep or Secretary of State

Posted by: Peter | March 23, 2008 5:08 PM

and forgetting how long the Supreme Court will likely be an extension of the Republican party if the Repubs win one more stay at the White House.

Posted by: newageblues | March 23, 2008 5:08 PM

Well, fortunately the non-aligned supporters of Clinton do have McCain as a fallback position. Let's just hope that the majority of voters show more logic than what someone has as their lastname. Race, sex, religion, or experience made more sense than lastname and unreasonable popularity. Looks like the US dodged a bullet getting Richardson out of this race and his state can take care of their error in judgement come next election.

Posted by: glosski | March 23, 2008 5:08 PM


Dave. Get a grip. Had to report you.


Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 5:08 PM

My apologies, Scum, for any association with the Hillary Clinton for President Campaign. The use of the term "scum," your name, has been used only by unaffiliated groups such as Entitled Politicians for More Entitled Politicians, and First Black President (s) Against More Black Presidents and is in no way associated with my campaign. You know, Scum, that I stand for Truth, Justice and Light. That's why I saved Ireland and helped Al G***, (The President We Dare Not Mention) invent the internet. I have always stood for Change and what greater change can we expect than a white woman in the White House. Thank you for your contributions and for any helpful Barack Obama important and helpful criticism and challenges to his experience and patriotism you can add to this blog.


Posted by: Hillary Clinton | March 23, 2008 5:09 PM

Good for you Bill Richardson. Your instincts were right. Hillary's ship is sinking. Without the $5 million loan she gave herself - can someone confirm that one too. her word is worthless - her campaign is in debt. Raised $150 and is still $2 million in debt. Jeez. Someone needs a lesson in Budgeting 101.

I could manage her campaign finances better than that. First I would can the useless Wolfson. What a collosal waste of money that guy is! And then Penn should have been gone ages ago. Money poorly spent!

Hillary is toast. She ran a poor campaign. She can't win fairly, and is just spiteful enough to drag the Democratic Party down with her. she's effectively raising money just to kneecap Obama.

Superdelegates need to make a decision before its too late!

Posted by: UncleRemus | March 23, 2008 5:09 PM

Obama supporters are in denial.

They just don't "get it"

The fact that Obama allied himself with someone who spouts anti-white, anti-semitic, and anti-American rhetoric is a "deal breaker"

Its the number #1 topic of water cooler conversation around the country.

Most "Typical White People" had no idea that stuff like this has been going on.

People are really, really, angry about it.

Obama's supporters try to spin it into being about a single sermon.

Its not.

Its about a 20 year relationship.

Its about Obama choosing Wright to be his "Spritual Advisor"

It's about Obama's lies.

Its about Obama talking out of"both sides of his mouth.

Obama presented himself as a paragon of virtue and someone on a higher ethical plane than other candidates.

He's repeatedly shown through his actions that he isn't.

He's like a human chameleon.

He turns into a completely different person depending on what group of people he's with.

He's lied to us and fooled us over and over.

America doesn't trust him anymore.

He's toast.

He deserves to be.

The real Barry Obama is a really bad guy.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 5:09 PM

I will never even consider voting for Hillary because of all the pardons Bill made while in office of convicted felons of the likes of Mark Rich. Over 200 throughout his presidency. They are in bed with drug runners, arms sellers, and financial terrorist/fradulent bankers. Vince Foster knew of all these dealing as their personal lawyer...where is he now? Suicide my ass! To disagree with the Clintons is to be a dead man. Politics is a rigged game as the choices we're given to vote for are not those we want but are the lesser of 2 evils. Unless you have 50 million in net worth you don't have a chance. Abolish the federal reserve and those original owning families monopoly on our financial institutions. No more fed. bailouts with taxpayer money. Let the system correct itself and if it goes bankrupt so be it we'll implement a new sound marketplace free of stock borrowing and 100% transparent. America the beautiful has a nasty stain on her from corrupt and treasonous leaders in high office. Sad but true. America is for sale to the highest bidder.

Posted by: Gutzy1 | March 23, 2008 5:10 PM

I love America and want a leader that loves America as well. It will be the end of America when a president is elected who not only hates America, but "Damns" it in sermons, speeches, and preaches! Vote for the person who loves America, not the black panther anti-American wolf in sheeps clothing! Vote for Hilary!

Posted by: concerned american | March 23, 2008 5:11 PM

If the Clintonites have nothing better to say for her than this false claim she stands a better chance to beat McCain, it's time for her to pack it up. I'm soooo sick of her tricks, it's hard to think I once naively loved her.

Posted by: jhbyer | March 23, 2008 5:11 PM

Bring Back Dave!

Posted by: Dave Fan Club | March 23, 2008 5:11 PM

Enough of this sniping. The baiting, half truths and fact twisted statements in the personal attacks here and elsewhere demonstrate just how miserably wrong this whole process has become. No one is a virgin in politics. No one is in it just for the chance to be of 'Service'. Let's agree on that and then quit the ugliness and get back to the real issue...the well being of the population of this country. The power and status and, yes, glory granted to politicians selected as leaders and other celebrity identities is the price we pay for well being.

When that well being is denied us in nasty playground antics of contesting for control and status then we are all losers. There will always be Fat Cats and they are now and have been for many post WWII years encroaching on the well being of fellow citizens.

An unregulated government which embraces exploitation and does not regulate the socio-economic processes it is supposed to nourish, preserve and protect for the citizenry is bankrupt.

Let us no longer accept such lack of ethical/moral behavior in government and politicians and commerce for that matter and get down to the process of living decent and reasonably prosperous and healthy lives instead of continuing to slide deeper toward oblivion. Which is exactly where the United States of America is headed unless we wake up to the reality of the possibilities that are still salvageable for our country if that is we discontinue acting like third grade children fussing at each other on the playground.

Posted by: disgusted | March 23, 2008 5:11 PM

Bill Richardson just did what was in his heart, and he realized that Barack is the most eloquent political voice the United States has produced in 40 years, and can tackle a topic as sensitive as race in a courageous, intelligent way.

Why are you haters so mad? We should be celebrating Barack. Read his books, read his policies as enumerated on his web page, you will learn something. Those of you who say, "We just don't know him yet," Get to know him! He really is as good as he seems.

The rest of you can enjoy thinking about how wonderful it would be having the Clintons in the White House pardoning all their friends again, or 100 more years of Iraq with McCain, who likes to sing Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran in the shower.

Posted by: Rob H | March 23, 2008 5:12 PM

Obama supporters are in denial.

Between Cocaine, Rezko and Wright, Obama's hit the trifecta.

He couldn't get elected Dog-Catcher.

Its over.

He needs to drop out ASAP if he wants to have any chance of any job of any kind in the future.

There's a mountain of stuff people have been holding back that will come out if Obama doesn't drop out.

"Obama's slums" is an even bigger story than Wright is.

The real Obama is a really bad guy.

His past is catching up with him fast.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 5:12 PM

Clinton-aide Carville called Richardson 'Judas'. Does that mean he regards Clinton as 'Jesus' figure? Wow, talk about being self-absorbed and delusional. The Clinton camp are living in a fantasy world.

Posted by: Joe Canadian | March 23, 2008 5:12 PM

I am a Canadian. If I can vote i will vote for Hillary.

Posted by: AnaI | March 23, 2008 5:12 PM

I'm seeing a lot of Democratic posters say that of Obama wins the nomination they will vote for McCain. I am a Democrat who supports Hillary, and Obama is not my second choice or even my third. But no way will I vote for McCain or any Republican.

I will not vote for more war, or higher gas prices, or the erosion of our constitutional rights.

Wake up people. Vote Democrat in November.

Posted by: Susan | March 23, 2008 5:12 PM

Neither of the Democratic campaign organizations benefits from petty name-calling. It's outrageous when Samantha Power calls Ms. Clinton a "monster," and it's outrageous when James Carville calls Bill Richardson a "Judas." If the Democrats continue this adolescent food fight, they'll hand the November election to the GOP. Think about it and grow up, people! Show the country and the world you have the maturity and decency to be worthy of the Oval Office!

Posted by: keith_in_seattle | March 23, 2008 5:13 PM

Oh Great, as if America doesn't have enough problems now we have Vice President Security Breach Richardson saying that at least have ov America should shut up and elect Barack (mr. Denounce it) Obama. Richie, did you have something to do with snuffing out the votes of FLA and MI too? Talk about same old politics, the last I remember, Hillary is being very careful to not offend Mr. Obama, and yet you dirty politicians of "change" and "unity" are making sport of beating Hillary over the head with any here-say reason you can find.

Richardson is purposely adding a new level of unneeded and destructive complexity to the American decision making process, and for his own selfish end of being Obama's new whitehouse pet.

Shame on Obama and Richardson for trying to cut so many voters out of the election process. Go have a party, and caucus for each other, and leave America alone, she has better matters to attend.

Posted by: Oh Great | March 23, 2008 5:13 PM

Look, Richardson must not realize that most Americans think that Politicians live in the gutter. Lobbyist contributions seem to be a legalized form of Bribery. Conflicts of interest are all over the place from top to bottom. And Privacy, well, no American, politician or not has any privacy left whatsoever. I suppose those fearing the populus the most need to keep a constant vigil on our bedrooms.

If you have not read Senator Clinton's manifesto on Privacy in the 21st century in an electronic age you are missing out. It's always someone else's daughter that gets raped. Unless it is yourself or someone near and dear to you, then the full effect of voyeurism, covert snooping into the intimacies of other people's lives in not fully appreciated.

It's spooky to know there are perverts, rogues and private individuals snooping into our personal lives on a daily basis besides big brother but it is true in this virtual world, a matter of fact to me.

I have never given anyone permission to intrude into my home, copy and paste my text or to listen to my phone conversations. Ignoring the rule of Law even hackers violate privacy thinking nothing of it. The Law says probable cause must be demonstrated to proper magistrate to violate my intimacy without my knoweledge.

Does anyone care though ? Hillary Clinton cares after the freaks busting into their bedroom hoping to gain power through impeachment. Look at those hypocrites today. I think WP had a chart of recent scandals posted last week. Even that pinhead Knute or whatever his name is was having an affair himself while grabbing for power. And don't bring up lying to American Public as excuse, their list of lies could fill a 10 gigabyte harddrive, destroyed of course.

There is no such thing as a victimless crime. These queers hiding in the shadows violating our privacy, threatening our homeland and national security by contaminating systems that cost big bucks have been ignored too long. And they are not so hard to catch if one knows what one is doing. In fact, faced with exposure, their counter-actions create enormous echoes in private and public domain.

Gutter politics, I propose we have just heard about a tip of an iceberg.

Posted by: Mark W. | March 23, 2008 5:13 PM

Screw traitor Obama! He is going to sell America out to the Islamists! Richardson is Judas!

Posted by: TruAmerican | March 23, 2008 5:13 PM

Reverend Wright for President!

Posted by: Swift Boat Veterans for Truth | March 23, 2008 5:14 PM

Okay, the pledged delegates are not going anywhere -- so the Clinton camp can forget that. The super delegates are not swarming over to save Hillary's campaign -- so the Cinton camp can forget about that. There will be no re-votes in FL and MI. With only ten states left Hillary can not catch up to Barack in the pledged delegate and popular vote count.

There will be no brokered convention -- that would be the death of the democratic party and everyone knows that.

The truth is that pressure will be put on Hillary Clinton to end her campaign.

Also, Hillary can not win the general without the black vote -- and we ain't voting for her.

Hillary -- campaign over, please step aside for the crowning of the democratic nominee.

Posted by: Andrea | March 23, 2008 5:14 PM

Look, Richardson must not realize that most Americans think that Politicians live in the gutter. Lobbyist contributions seem to be a legalized form of Bribery. Conflicts of interest are all over the place from top to bottom. And Privacy, well, no American, politician or not has any privacy left whatsoever. I suppose those fearing the populus the most need to keep a constant vigil on our bedrooms.

If you have not read Senator Clinton's manifesto on Privacy in the 21st century in an electronic age you are missing out. It's always someone else's daughter that gets raped. Unless it is yourself or someone near and dear to you, then the full effect of voyeurism, covert snooping into the intimacies of other people's lives in not fully appreciated.

It's spooky to know there are perverts, rogues and private individuals snooping into our personal lives on a daily basis besides big brother but it is true in this virtual world, a matter of fact to me.

I have never given anyone permission to intrude into my home, copy and paste my text or to listen to my phone conversations. Ignoring the rule of Law even hackers violate privacy thinking nothing of it. The Law says probable cause must be demonstrated to proper magistrate to violate my intimacy without my knoweledge.

Does anyone care though ? Hillary Clinton cares after the freaks busting into their bedroom hoping to gain power through impeachment. Look at those hypocrites today. I think WP had a chart of recent scandals posted last week. Even that pinhead Knute or whatever his name is was having an affair himself while grabbing for power. And don't bring up lying to American Public as excuse, their list of lies could fill a 10 gigabyte harddrive, destroyed of course.

There is no such thing as a victimless crime. These queers hiding in the shadows violating our privacy, threatening our homeland and national security by contaminating systems that cost big bucks have been ignored too long. And they are not so hard to catch if one knows what one is doing. In fact, faced with exposure, their counter-actions create enormous echoes in private and public domain.

Gutter politics, I propose we have just heard about a tip of an iceberg.

Posted by: Mark W. | March 23, 2008 5:15 PM

Its also mathematically impossible for Clinton to win, so she should GRACIOUSLY drop out of the race, for the good of the party and then nation. Clinton is bleeding the party in this civil war that she cannot win. She has become the Mike Huckabee of the Democrats.

Posted by: Joe Canadian | March 23, 2008 5:15 PM

G** D****it. I told you not to bring me into this!

Posted by: Judas Richardson | March 23, 2008 5:15 PM

If Richardson is Judas, does that make
Clinton Jesus? This is ridiculous.

Governor Bill Richardson came out to finally endorse Barrack Obama. Richardson said that Obama's' speech on race was his deciding factor. The speech showed the leadership qualities Richardson was looking for. I have to agree with Richardson, as he said that, it's time for Clinton to step down, and the Democrats to come together. Clinton cannot beat Obama's numbers no matter HOW they parse it. That is an undeniable fact. Clinton's campaign knows this very well. When Clinton thought she would have it in the bag, after California. Florida and Michigan did not matter to her then. Just like Clinton dismissed the 11 state streak Obama had, because "NONE OF THOSE SATES COUNT ANYWAY". How "disenfranchised" do those sates feel, by Clinton? what an atrocious thing to say.

Obama has two former presidential candidates backing him now. They know who has the best chance with the Republicans in Nov. Just because Obama did not bring up the past with Clinton, do not think the republicans won't. When the Clintons tax records, Bills Foundation, and Library funding sources are reveled, it could destroy the party for decades. There is 1/2 BILLION dollars in funding alone to explain! If it were all kosher, it would have been known long ago. There is an ongoing fraud lawsuit in California, which the media has not been reporting as well. There will be another time for a woman to run the Whitehouse. It's not this woman, not this time.

Posted by: Martha Davidson | March 23, 2008 5:15 PM

Dear. Washingtonpost.com,

Just look at the horrendous, malicious, immature, and reprehensible "dialogue" above and around this post. Maybe you are trusting your readers' sense of decency a little too much. I'm sorry to say this, but from my experience the consumers of media aren't qualified or willing to engage in civilized dialogue, so maybe you should just disable your comment feature until people can grow up. The things people that will say when they can post anonymously on the internet are simply appalling. Frankly, I am disgusted.

Posted by: Will C. | March 23, 2008 5:15 PM

Richardson is Richardson.

Obama is Obama.

Cheney is Cheney.

svreader is a Clinton/McCain attack dog with a bad case of rabies.

Posted by: rippermccord | March 23, 2008 5:16 PM

Obama commnetors: facts and important issues.

Clinton supporters: straw man arguements, insults, and racism.


Nedd I say more?


Obama '08

Posted by: Jason | March 23, 2008 5:16 PM

This is a joke. Bill clearly aligned Hillary and McCain as great Americans and left out the frontrunner of his own party. There is no mystery here about his intention. And then to call foul when they were called on it is a hypocritial joke. The Clintons cannot be trusted and play gutter politics. No, the Clintons are not innocent victims here.

Posted by: Diane | March 23, 2008 5:16 PM

It is truly sad to read all the attacks on one another. I am an Obama supporter and believe he should and will win the presidency but I will vote for hillary if that is the way it works out. As much as I disagree with a lot of her tactics and her unwillingness to seperate herself from lobbyist she is 100% better than McCain.
As far as Richardson I am proud that he backed Obama and he gained a huge amount of repect from me for doing so. Not only did he choose to step out after the whole wright scandal and show his support but having worked very closely with the clintons he still choose the candidate he believes in. That says alot!
I find the venomous attacts that come from the clinton supporters sad and pathetic. Wake up and realize this presidency has the power to change this country for the better and we all need to work together to make this happen and be O.k. with the fact our 1st choice might not be our nominee.
WE MUST DEFEAT MCCAIN AT ALL COSTS. SO MANY MORE LIVES WILL BE LOST IF WE HAVE FOUR MORE YEARS OF WARMONGERING

time to come together people!!!

Posted by: db | March 23, 2008 5:16 PM

here here.

Posted by: dak | March 23, 2008 5:17 PM

Stop IT now! Hillary Clinton must and should leave the race NOW! She is a NOT Bill Clinton and should stop running on his merit. Enough already, she is being a spoiled brat and a playground bully. Depart with class and dignity, why don't you!

Posted by: Stop IT now! | March 23, 2008 5:19 PM

Ed Rendell on Fox kept quoting poles that appeared to show Clinton would do better than Obama against McCain. These poles are meaningless and of no value when making an argument. Months ago Rudy Guiliani was polling ahead of everyone...where is he now? In October when Obama and McCain have a chance to make their case to the American people, then the poles might have some predictive value. Try another argument for Clinton Gov. Rendell

Posted by: Jim White | March 23, 2008 5:19 PM

I'm a true American. Islamists suck. Entitled Politicians for More Entitled Politicians suck, Dave sucks, oil is good, Christ is lord, Obama is a fraud, "fat hairy Mexicans" suck, people like me are really patriotic, Reverend Wright sucks, Hillary is good because she drinks Schmidt beer. She's an "oil tanker full of scum" and that's fine with me. Apologies to Dave. Hey Dave, where are you?

Posted by: TruAmercan | March 23, 2008 5:20 PM

This is why Republicans, especially John Kyl have to GO!!

"But Kyl said that Democrats are the ones in the government to blame for the crisis in the credit markets.

"It wasn't the Bush administration as much as it was Democrats in Congress who were pushing the lending institutions to get out there and lend more money, even to unqualified buyers -- to the minorities, to the poor, to the young -- so that everyone could own a home," he said."

He simply assumes that minorities, the poor, and the young are unqualified buyers. This is a fact, a truth in his world... Time for his world to come to an end.

Posted by: jana in az | March 23, 2008 5:21 PM

What a hipocrit Obama is when he makes such a big hype about transparency, yet when dirt is uncovered about him, he is quick to dismiss it and only talks about those things only after the fact. That is NOT transparency! Obama is so corrupt and dirty, it makes Al Capone look like a monk. I hate how Obama cries and whinnes when dirt is found on him, and is quick to blame it on Clinton with no proof whatsoever...and he blames Clinton for causing a divide among democrats, yet it is HIM that is causing it, nobody else! Do we really need a little beatch like Obama running this country? Do the right thing! I'm voting for hilary, but if it comes down to Obama vs. McCain, I'm voting for McCain.

Posted by: what happened to transparancy | March 23, 2008 5:21 PM

You mean to tell me that Bill Clinton - Rhodes Scholar and famous parser of words and phrase - "Slick Willie" - didn't realize his comments implied that Obama didn't love his country by arranging his words so as to leave Obama out of the statement? REALLY?

Its sad that America won't wake up to its own hypocrisy and vote to change it. We have in the power of this generation, right now, the opportunity to redirect ourselves in a way that can actually make us proud to be an American. As a vet, I would like to be proud of my country again. I haven't really been proud of it since the first Gulf War - because we made a point of sticking to our morals as much as possible in warfare. I didn't like our president then, but at least he didn't drag our country entirely into the gutter (well, there were those S&L scandals...) with his zealotry or his zipper. I was proud of my country as a kid under Carter, even though the zealot lot in the country hated him, he is an honorable person. I believe the same of Obama, and I believe that with pride in America - not the "ooo yeah we beat you up playground pride" but the kind of solemn dignified pride my grandparents had in their imperfect nation - that this country can leapfrog past its economic woes, past its scandals, past its wars and get back to doing what America does best - and that is making things, inventing, progressing humanity, delivering on its promise to be the shining beacon of liberty and setting an example for the rest of the world - instead of picking on other countries to make an example of.

Senator Clinton is a passable senator for us in New York - not outstanding, simply adequate. If you want to look at senatorial achievements, look around the US. Tom Daschle did far more for his state - and the nation - than CLinton has done for hers.

Her sole qualification to the White House beyond what Senator Obama has is that she occasionally shared a bed with the president.

I have a new nickname for HRC's campaign - it is the "hypocritical finger pointers". Have you ever wondered why she has to poll for every answer to any issue? She can't just take a stand and say "this is what I believe some of you will disagree, and I respect your opinion, but" blah blah blah.

Which is exactly why I am stumping among friends and family for Barack Hussein Obama. I help them understand him, his positions, and the change needed in our country. I'm preparing them for the angles of attack that the RNC and its cronies are sure to take (race baiting, fear mongering, religious zealots antagonizing relatives with fearfull propositions, district push polls, etc.) You know what? I'm winning them over one vote at a time. Its time to vote for something rather than against something. Vote for Obama.

Posted by: drew ravani | March 23, 2008 5:21 PM

Deem, you're not serious about media bias in favor of Clinton. Recently, independent watchdog organizations like Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting and the Center for Media and Public Affairs, have documented persistent and widespread bias against Clinton and in favor of Obama. Even my GOP friends say it is laughable the way the media has favored Obama.

By the way, Time Warner bought CNN in 2000 and Ted Turner left Time Warner in early 2006.

Posted by: MoralProtagonist | March 23, 2008 5:22 PM

HERE IS A QUESTION I HAVE YET TO HAVE ANSWERED BY AN OBAMA SUPPORTER: If Hillary had been going to a "white centered" church for 20 years; the fundamental theology of the church was one of white versus black; the pastor of the church often made racist remarks against blacks; the pastor of the church gave David Duke a lifetime achievement award; and Hillary considered this pastor her "mentor and spiritual adviser"; would you give her the pass that you are giving Obama. I doubt you could answer this question honestly, so I'll tell you what would happen: The righteous indignation of Obama and the media would rise up, the demand would be made that Hillary withdraw from the nomination process immediately, and Hillary's political career would be over, period.

Posted by: Fred | March 23, 2008 5:23 PM

Jason,

You've got it backwards.

Obama supporters love Obama and hate Hillary for no other reason but color, sex and age.

Obama supporters completely ignore the fact that Obama did nothing while the poorest of the poor who elected him in Chicago froze to death in unheated slums Rezko got $100M to repair or replace, but didn't touch.

Obama supporters ignore that Obama chose a anti-white, anti-jew, anti-american pastor as his "spiritual advisor"

Obama supporters refusee to open their eyes to the fact that Obama is a Politician, not a savior, and has no experience to qualify him for the job of being President.

Obama supporters want him because they want him.

Clinton supporters want Hillary because she's been a great Senator and before that was Bill Cliinton's closest advisor and knows how to get things done in Washington.

Obama can't get elected without the support of "typical white people"

He's lost that, for good.

Its not coming back.

He's toast.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 5:23 PM

Vaddabout alla gud t'ings Hillary's dood?

Posted by: Wm. Sloan Coffin IV | March 23, 2008 5:23 PM

Dear. Washingtonpost.com,

Just look at the horrendous, malicious, immature, and reprehensible "dialogue" above and around this post. Maybe you are trusting your readers' sense of decency a little too much. I'm sorry to say this, but from my experience the consumers of media aren't qualified or willing to engage in civilized dialogue, so maybe you should just disable your comment feature until people can grow up. The things people that will say when they can post anonymously on the internet are simply appalling. Frankly, I am disgusted.

Posted by: Entitled Politicians for More Oppression in Tibet | March 23, 2008 5:24 PM

I get so angry and bitter when I read about the problems the Democrats are having between Hillary and Obama. If only Hillary would understand that it is the far left members of the party -- those who read firedoglake and are secure in their gender identity -- who will have the ultimate say on who gets elected. Angry bitter leftists need to unite, not fight!

Posted by: twin_peaks_nikki | March 23, 2008 5:24 PM

It's clear that Obama lacks the support of the Democratic base and only won in caucus states where there was considerable cross voting. His endorsements have been a slap in the face to the base, except of course the black constituency. You can't build "unity" on disunity; that's what his candidacy has created. This endorsement was so poorly timed, so self-serving, so unloyal. This is not "changing the politics of destruction" which he has accused Clinton of. At every turn in this race, every single endorsement, Oprah, Kennedy, now Richadson. The first two did not result in a win in MASS or a win in LA or big blue states. He only won in red states which he would be unlikely to capture in Nov. So, he has a viability problem, as much as Hillary is down on electoral and popular votes, he is down on swing states, base support, and blue states.

He is not a viable frontrunner, can't carry the ticket to a win in Nov.

Posted by: vammap | March 23, 2008 5:24 PM

We have no strategy for Iraq, other than to continue to offer our soldiers as cops. Seeing that W can't finish a sentence without misspeaking or getting confused, I'd like to hear just one congressional Republican tell us specifically what the goals are now. GOP has spent plenty of time describing the risks of leaving, but not the objective of staying.

That said, it will probably continue until 2013, because the Dems are handing this election to McSame. Some Dem with a pair needs to step up and take control here. Howard Dean is letting the party implode during what should be a sure win election.

Posted by: CantBelieveImAHillarySupporter | March 23, 2008 5:24 PM

clarification: True dyed in the wool democrats probably will vote for whoever survives the mud bath being slung by the media.
People who have the brains to vote for a person based upon their policies, actions, experience, ability, and honesty will vote for the individual who is most closely aligned with their personal views.
IF the democratic party and media force either of these candidates to drop out before the end of the primaries, the non dyed in the wool supporters will switch to McCain.
It appears that more white people are aligned with Clinton than with Obama. It would probably not be a good thing to force her from this contest. To force her from the contest is to throw away the support and supporters who stood behind her in perference for what is perceived to be the greater good.
Since that greater good is at the expense of their vote, obviously they should vote for the other party.
Clinton may well lose the nomination and stand with her party behind Obama, but, that's her job ... I won't. My support was for Clinton and not for the faded, washed out, losers which constitute the Democratic party.

Posted by: glosski | March 23, 2008 5:24 PM

Does anyone the average IQ of Clinton supporters? I would guess less than 50.

Posted by: Rose | March 23, 2008 5:25 PM

Here's where Rendell is wrong: The Superdelegates should follow the will of the people, in that they shouldn't overturn the pledged delegate vote. But to say Richardson, Kerry, Kennedy, et al., should follow their states is ridiculous. Nobody said the superdelegates should model on the electoral college. Barack stunned Hillary in Maine, for instance. Our governor is backing Hillary, as are a few other superdelegates. Others remain undeclared. One of our DNC members said she would wait to see how the others chose to make sure Maine's superdelegate balance reflected as best as possible the percentage of the vote here.

Posted by: Kathleen Hussein in Maine | March 23, 2008 5:25 PM

When I saw Rev Wright's comments, even out of the context of his history. I understood why those things could be said. I am not saying that his isolated words do not offer destructive use, and in that sense, were carelessly spoken.

Yet, we must also consider the irresponsible use of them, by those who would extract benefit from them, no matter the cost to our society.

I have made an effort to examine Rev Wright's and his communitie's crunstructive efforts, as a more complex evaluation, and render a more complete perspective.

As a senior, white, grandmother, who suported the civil rights movement, I offer a long held conviction for consideration.

Having witnessed dignity and magnaminity, withstand brutality and humiliation, I began, all those years ago, to express the opinion, that this country owes an undeclared gratitude to those, who have risen above their exploitation, by America's history.

Please examine, the long histories of retribution, passed from generation to generation, common elsewhere, and imagine if that was common here as well. Even after WWI and WWII, when significant numbers of mistreated minorities, even while serving this county, returned, trained and armed, to continued mistreatment, yet did not resort to violence.

Just as America didn't thank and respect their service, we have not thanked or respected them for their forgiveness and restraint.

I became aware of this in the early 50's, when I married a man from Northern Ireland, and had reason to contrast responses, to histories of grievence.

Could we not take our share of contribution, to the words utter in a portion of Rev. Wright's sermon, and find it within ourselves, to express a long belated recognition and appreciation for the restraint, that has contributed so much, to the stability of our society, and the quality of life, the rest of us have been the benefactors of?

I publicly say to Rev. Wright and his congregation, now, as I have said to others, these many years: "Thank you all for the greatness of soul, I humbly pray I might be capable of myself."

It helps me to rewatch "Eyes on the Prize," every Lenten season, and be reminded that I should strive to do the same. I am deeply inspired by the power of love and forgiveness, demonstrated by others.

I hold out my hand and hope the effort to overcome continues.
With Love and sincerity,
Beverly McCann


Posted by: Beverly McCann | March 23, 2008 5:26 PM

When I saw Rev Wright's comments, even out of the context of his history. I understood why those things could be said. I am not saying that his isolated words do not offer destructive use, and in that sense, were carelessly spoken.

Yet, we must also consider the irresponsible use of them, by those who would extract benefit from them, no matter the cost to our society.

I have made an effort to examine Rev Wright's and his communitie's crunstructive efforts, as a more complex evaluation, and render a more complete perspective.

As a senior, white, grandmother, who suported the civil rights movement, I offer a long held conviction for consideration.

Having witnessed dignity and magnaminity, withstand brutality and humiliation, I began, all those years ago, to express the opinion, that this country owes an undeclared gratitude to those, who have risen above their exploitation, by America's history.

Please examine, the long histories of retribution, passed from generation to generation, common elsewhere, and imagine if that was common here as well. Even after WWI and WWII, when significant numbers of mistreated minorities, even while serving this county, returned, trained and armed, to continued mistreatment, yet did not resort to violence.

Just as America didn't thank and respect their service, we have not thanked or respected them for their forgiveness and restraint.

I became aware of this in the early 50's, when I married a man from Northern Ireland, and had reason to contrast responses, to histories of grievence.

Could we not take our share of contribution, to the words utter in a portion of Rev. Wright's sermon, and find it within ourselves, to express a long belated recognition and appreciation for the restraint, that has contributed so much, to the stability of our society, and the quality of life, the rest of us have been the benefactors of?

I publicly say to Rev. Wright and his congregation, now, as I have said to others, these many years: "Thank you all for the greatness of soul, I humbly pray I might be capable of myself."

It helps me to rewatch "Eyes on the Prize," every Lenten season, and be reminded that I should strive to do the same. I am deeply inspired by the power of love and forgiveness, demonstrated by others.

I hold out my hand and hope the effort to overcome continues.
With Love and sincerity,
Beverly McCann


Posted by: Beverly McCann | March 23, 2008 5:26 PM

Dear. Washingtonpost.com,

Thank you for allowing people to publish these posts anonymously and freely. This truly is free speech. Sorry if so many SHOUT, are intentionally and enthusiastically offensive, or disguise their posts as if coming from another view. That's what you get in a free world: abuse. But it seems to harm no one (except from blood pressure rising) and shows the true hearts of many posters. That a few choose to enter deliberate, well considered posts is the embodiment of hope.

Posted by: Some pithy reference | March 23, 2008 5:26 PM

Vaddabout alla gud t'ings Hillary's dood?

Posted by: Wm. Sloan Coffin IV | March 23, 2008 05:23 PM


Yes, she was a very polished first lady. We should anoint her Entitled Politician of the Year!

Posted by: Entitled Politicians for More Entitled Politicians | March 23, 2008 5:26 PM

Does anyone know the average IQ of the clinton supporters?. I would guess it to be less than 50.

Posted by: Rose | March 23, 2008 5:26 PM

Richardson has made a bad deal. He may think he will be our next vice-president, but instead, he will be remembered as a politician who endorsed a losing candidate at the last minute, in order to further his own reputation and career.

Posted by: Fred | March 23, 2008 5:26 PM

Obama and his ewndosors are a bunch of loosers. They are jealous of Clinton's successes and they could not handle the fact being sidelined. They want a new BLACK kid so thay can appear to be important on the block! Obama is a traitor and will be a bigger traitor of the United States. His endorsors are not putting America's interests first.

Posted by: TruAmerican | March 23, 2008 5:27 PM

Re: "He [Richardson] grabbed it, although it meant sacrificing the Clintons who virtually made his career in earlier years by helping him get cushy appointments."

First of all, you don't know if Obama offered Richardson anything. Secondly, Bill Richardson had been in Congress for 14 years before Clinton appointed him to anything. And I guess you think negotiating face to face with Saddam Hussein for the release of American hostages is a cushy appointment.

Give me a break. I'm tired of Hillary supporters smearing anybody who supports Obama. It won't work. Hillary is till behind in delagates.

Posted by: Michelle | March 23, 2008 5:27 PM

I COULD THINK OF A LOTS HISPANIC DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS, THAT ARE FAR MUCH BETTER PERSONS THAN RICHARSON
AND FAR MUCH BETER POLITICIANS
HE IS NOT THE LAST CCOLA IN THE DESERT

Posted by: STORY | March 23, 2008 5:27 PM

Dave? Dave?

Posted by: Friends of Dave | March 23, 2008 5:28 PM

HRC campaign definition of Denial - having an insurmountable lead in delegates, winning more superdelegates since super tuesday, having an insurmountable lead in the popular vote, leading in the Gallup Poll even after a week of heavy rotation of Wright's out of context comments - faith footnotes, having Pinocchio as an opponent, and still thinking that there is a slight chance that you are going to win

Posted by: UncleRemus | March 23, 2008 5:28 PM

I think Richardson's jealousy showed when he stated he was tired of Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton and then it was someone else's time.
Wasn't it Richardson who chided Edwards and Obama for being negative in th msnbc debate? His memory is short. Doesn't he say Bill didn't say anything controversal Friday and then watched the general call Clinton MacCarthy like. Come on you sheep. How can you be so blind. Hell, this bonehead called his grandmother racist.

Posted by: Chief | March 23, 2008 5:28 PM

I like davidmwe's article citation, mostly because he doesn't seem to understand what it says.

http://newsusa.myfeedportal.com/viewarticle.php?articleid=57

These Hillary people are trying so hard to spin everything they got themselves turned around. The Gallup poll has Obama up again, and the article davdmwe cited begins badly for Hillary and gets worse for her from there:

"Conclusion
Well, honestly, it looks tough for Clinton."

Posted by: rippermccord | March 23, 2008 5:29 PM

The more I watch Obama, the more closely I study his words, the more I understand him, the more sure I am what a terrific President he will make.

Hateful people, cynics and doubters (many of whom are announcing themselves here in these blogs) will adjust after he wins.

JFK barely squeeked by in 1960 --- and he was up against Nixon. In hindsight, how difficult was THAT choice? When we look back, the vast majority can hardly believe Kennedy almost lost, and many ditrusted him and even hated him.

Kennedy turned out to be one of the most beloved and competent presidents ever. So will Obama be.

Posted by: skyriak | March 23, 2008 5:29 PM

The "theology" that Wright teaches at his church is nothing like Christianity as most people understand it. The brand of theology which Wright has been teaching Obama and the others at his church is called "black liberation theology." Wright admits this and it is stated on the church's website. Black theology is based upon the premise of the white oppressor against the black oppressed. This is why, for example, that Wright refers to Jesus as black, and his killers as white. This is the only way the story of Jesus fits within this brand of "theology." Rev. Wright cites James Cone, another proponent of black liberation theology, as his theological inspiration. Here are just a couple of James Cone's quotes: (1) "To be Christian is to be one of those whom God has chosen. God has chosen black people." (2) "While it is true that blacks do hate whites, black hatred is not racism." (3) "All white men are responsible for white oppression." (4) "Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man "the devil." (5) "If there is any contemporary meaning of the Antichrist, the white church seems to be a manifestation of it." (6) "Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love." *** These teachings are fundamentally racist and divisive. Obama has chosen to belong to this racist church for 20 years, and now because of exposure by the press, he tries to fool the American public once again.

Posted by: Fred | March 23, 2008 5:29 PM

You Clinton nuts amaze me. How is she going to unite the country when she tears her own party apart?

Posted by: Tommo | March 23, 2008 5:29 PM

HE IS NOT THE LAST CCOLA IN THE DESERT? What does that mean?

Posted by: TruAmerican | March 23, 2008 5:29 PM

If Obama loses to McCain in November, I believe that it will all be a result of the Clinton campaign's attacks. It is sad, that I went from having 2 great candidates to choose from to having the Clinton monster who endorsed McCain and a bloodied candidate who was brought down by someone in his own party.

Posted by: Henry S. | March 23, 2008 5:31 PM

Hey Diane, I have news for you, Obama is not a great American! Anyone condeming America while running for president is NEVER a great American! People who compare Obama to Luther King are utter idiots, even Luther King never condemned America when racism was openly alive. Currently the only racists I see today are Obama, his minister, his church, and his campaign! If you want to end racism, Don't vote for the biggest racist in America today-that is Obama and his campaign!

Posted by: american hero | March 23, 2008 5:31 PM

Obama has the Audacity to Hope that we are all stupid enough to forget that he lied about NAFTA, that he lies about his "continual" opposition to the Iraq war, that he plays the race card whenever things get too hot (for which he was busted by Tim Russert in one of the debates), that he is uncomfortably close to the indicted slumlord Rezko, that he has been going to a church for 20 years whose racist and anti-American pastor he calls his "mentor and spiritual advisor," that he has been exposing his innocent children to this hate speech for most of their lives, that he will throw his own grandmother under the bus to further his goals, and that he is now trying his best to disenfranchise millions of voters in Michigan and Florida to further his political ambitions. Yes, he has the Audacity to Hope . . .

Posted by: Fred | March 23, 2008 5:32 PM

There's a simple solution to the Democratic Party's dilemma. All the party has to do is to hearken back to ancient traditions, and bring back human sacrifice. Howard Dean would be a good offering to the gods, and hardly anyone would miss him.

Posted by: sailhardy | March 23, 2008 5:32 PM

Supporters from both sides need to lighten up.

I'm reading a lot of "if he/she wins the nomination, I'm voting for McCain". Really? Because of the blow hards working on BOTH campaigns?

So, you're so ticked off about the primaries that you'd rather have another 4-years of the Bush-Iraq policy? Of the Bush-Economic policy?

How many more wounded and killed soldiers in Iraq are you willing to overlook because you're too miffed at either campaign to cast a vote to stop trying to find military solutions to political/diplomatic problems?

When I vote in November, it'll be on the issues. And quite frankly, these two candidates aren't that dissimilar.

And those who would vote the other way out of petty spite do a huge dis-service to the MANY who have suffered under Bush's policies and will continue to suffer if those policies are permitted to continue.

Posted by: MIke | March 23, 2008 5:32 PM

I like davidmwe's "article" citation, mostly because he doesn't understand what it says.

http://newsusa.myfeedportal.com/viewarticle.php?articleid=57

These Hillary people are trying so hard to spin everything they got themselves turned around. The Gallup poll has Obama up again, and the article davdmwe cited begins badly for Hillary and gets worse for her from there:

"Conclusion
Well, honestly, it looks tough for Clinton."

Posted by: rippermccord | March 23, 2008 5:32 PM

Apparently the war room is back up and running, but with lower paid bloggers.

Posted by: justicat | March 23, 2008 5:32 PM

Vote for Hillary, vote for Hillary, vote for Hillary.

Posted by: mille | March 23, 2008 5:32 PM

Hear, hear. Bill speaks the truth. Carville's comparing Bill's endorsement of Obama with Judas' betrayal of Hillary only confirms that her aides view her as divinely entitled to the nomination and presidency. Being so zealous in their convictions, it is no wonder that they will stoop to any level in order to secure her birthright.

Posted by: ChuckB | March 23, 2008 5:33 PM

Bill Clinton is a cheater and lire, but Hillary is only a lire. Obama is honest and open. He is once in a life time leader. My vote is for Obama.

Posted by: jimjus | March 23, 2008 5:33 PM

Obama will be the president for all Americans. more! he will be the first American president for the world. The failed foreign & economic policies of the GOP will be left on the wayside and forgotten. America will forge ahead redeemed and united, with Obama at helm.

Posted by: Julian | March 23, 2008 5:34 PM

I am a Canadian. If I can vote i will vote for Hillary.

Posted by: AnaI | March 23, 2008 5:34 PM

I am a Canadian. If I can vote i will vote for Hillary.

Posted by: AnaI | March 23, 2008 5:34 PM

Here at More White Women in the White House, we like Hillary because even thought she is an "oil tanker full of scum," she is not Reverend Wright, she is not a "fat, hairy Mexican who needs to wax his back," and she s not a "fraud" of a "Chicago Politician" like "nobama." Hillary saved Ireland and drinks Schmidt beer just like the rest of us. Above all she's an Entitled Politician for More Entitled Politicians. She's not "Dave" and she's a "TruAmerican."
We love you Hillary. You can crash your boatload of scum into our shores any time!

Posted by: More White Women in the White Housee | March 23, 2008 5:35 PM

After hearing Rev. Wright's black militant type of preaching, I think Obama has either very poor judgement to stay with him for 20 years or is just like him. I'll go with a sure thing. Hillary 08

Posted by: Deb | March 23, 2008 5:36 PM

I think two or three more high profile endorsements like the one of Gov. Richardson for Barak Obama, and the Hillary Clinton's campaign will collapse. They are in such a disarray. John Edwards, where are you?

It is still time for the Clintons to work for the unity of the party.

Posted by: An Academic | March 23, 2008 5:36 PM

Wow, everyone is so angry. We're all Democrats! We need to unite behind a candidate, whether it's Hillary or Obama. When it comes to their political views, they're not that different. Personally I prefer Obama's style, but I would vote for Hillary in the general election even though I can't stand her personality *because it is the policies which truly matter most*. Let's choose a candidate quick, so we can support them and elect a Democrat to the Presidency!

Posted by: Rainer | March 23, 2008 5:36 PM

Taking from Shakespeare, Obama has a lean and hungry look; He thinks too much; such men are dangerous... He works the huge crowds as if they were sheep,easily led in whichever way pleases him. Bill Richardson said it was the "Speech on Race" which clinched it for him. I believe him. He is under the spell as are so many others. They can't for the life of them think for themselves. Pastor Wright's exhortations woke some people up, but Obama quickly brought his sheep back into his pasture. He can spin a yarn! My hope is that Hillary will stay in this race till the end.

Posted by: BARD08 | March 23, 2008 5:36 PM

Taking from Shakespeare, Obama has a lean and hungry look; He thinks too much; such men are dangerous... He works the huge crowds as if they were sheep,easily led in whichever way pleases him. Bill Richardson said it was the "Speech on Race" which clinched it for him. I believe him. He is under the spell as are so many others. They can't for the life of them think for themselves. Pastor Wright's exhortations woke some people up, but Obama quickly brought his sheep back into his pasture. He can spin a yarn! My hope is that Hillary will stay in this race till the end.

Posted by: BARD08 | March 23, 2008 5:36 PM

HILLARY: PLEASE, get a little class for once in your life, and GO AWAY !!

Your chances of getting the nomination are zilch. Save yourself $$$ millions. Save the Democratic Party from going down the drain.

PLEASE, go back to New York, or better yet, Arkansas, and LEAVE US ALONE !!

Posted by: Ingri
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Did you mention class? I don't think you know what the word means. Or are you talking about the class Obama showed comparing his grandmother racism to Rev. Wright racism. You might spend time using a dictionary before using a word. Kinda like Obama, nice words but not much meaning.
It's called BS.

Posted by: Chief | March 23, 2008 5:37 PM

Anyone would be better than Bush, including McCain. Bush has messed things up so badly, I never could have believed one president could do so much damage to everything, the environment, the economy, the cost of health care, the educational system, the image of America around the world, the military, the cost of gasoline. I was never ashamed of being an American until this president sold America down the river, so the rich could get even richer while the rest of America becomes poorer. Down with Bush, elect a monkey and things couldn't get any worse.

Posted by: Tony Davis | March 23, 2008 5:37 PM

Jim Jus, Hillary is not a lire, nore is she a lyre. I think the word you're looking for is liar.


Posted by: First Black President (s) Against More Black Presidents | March 23, 2008 5:37 PM

Jim Jus, Hillary is not a lire, nore is she a lyre. I think the word you're looking for is liar.


Posted by: First Black President (s) Against More Black Presidents | March 23, 2008 5:37 PM

HRC campaign definition of Negative Attack = The Truth

Fair Attack - an assertion that deliberately distorts your opponents position

National Campaign - the summation of the campaigns in the states we deem important

Rules - Guidelines to follow when you are winning and be outraged against when you are not.

Disenfranchised Voters - people who voted for me in contests I said did not count

Fair - a contest in which only my name is on the ballot

Posted by: UncleRemus | March 23, 2008 5:38 PM

Clinging to the Obama smear seems the only life preserver left for those who seem to be terrified of changing the face of American power. We've gone through several Republican administrations where the first thing to go is equal treatment under the law (Office of Civil Rights), a weakend EPA, and rampant government spending. What choice do we have? Elect business as usual with Hillary's constant accomodation of whatever seems to be in vogue? McCain offer's what, continuation of the war, recessionist politics favoring the wealthy (whose life span now reflects the people who really count) from someone who can't remember what he's talking about. Experience? Is that what got George Bush elected? People are so afraid of the obvious choice because he looks black. I am afraid that if we don't elect someone who has demonstrated he is not about business as usual (voted against the war) we will see just how completely backward the politics of white privilege and white fear can be. Let's face it, this country's greatness is no longer in the hands of the usual cast of characters. That's terrifying. People of color are not evil unless you continue to villify blacks and pursue blind immigration policies. Your choice.

Just compare our lives through the basic quality of life indicators with any other industrialized nation. It will bring into perspective this campaign where our average citizens are seen as having no value except an ignorant vote.

Posted by: mark | March 23, 2008 5:38 PM

Well, as a life long Republican, gone Independent because of this kind of behavior... all I can say is that it is causing me to look at how this is being raged ...not waged...but raged today, by two people that I had once respected.

It makes me sad to think there are no really decent people left to lead this great country.

Posted by: dmadbass | March 23, 2008 5:38 PM

democrats must ask themselves when they go and vote. do you want 4 more years of white water monica l.and all of that other garbage. if you vote for her thats what your gonna get. we will relive that whole bunch of cr***p. i think she and he should ride off in the sunset and enjoy what time they have left in retirement.

Posted by: george t | March 23, 2008 5:38 PM

The Horse Laughing Carpet Munching Dike should take a Hike.

Posted by: Don | March 23, 2008 5:39 PM

Well, I have news for you, Henry. Obama has never condemned America. He is a great American. His pastor, who most of you know only through slanted soundbites, gave service to thousands of people on the southside of Chicago. This pastor also served his country as a marine and was invited to the Clinton White House. He also was present during Lyndon Johnson's surgery. By the way, Obama became a Christian because of him and also was at his church with the people he was helping as a community organizer. I defy you to find any antiAmerican rhetoric from Obama. How dare you judge a person by his church or a pastor from a few soundbites. You, my friend, need to examine your own heart.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 5:40 PM

I could never support Obama because he is a radical Muslim extremist. Richardson is a loser Latino that bit the hand that fed him. I am a Republican and I gave Hillary money because she does deserve the Presidency more than a Black man that used crack.

Posted by: Jim Krowel | March 23, 2008 5:40 PM

In this country above all others, why should Hillary drop out, why does she not have the right to stay in? In America, everybody gets to vote. Not some, not most, everyone. Why do Americans in Pennsylvania, NC, and all the other states who have not yet voted in the primary not get the right to vote, to choose who they want as their nominee? Why? I'll tell you why, because Obama is ahead now and Obama and his supporters are afraid that if all of America gets to vote, he won't get the nomination.

In America, we don't call the game late in the third quarter, just because one team has a lead. We play the game until the very end, giving our all the whole way. And we count all the votes, not just some of them.

Posted by: MoralProtagonist | March 23, 2008 5:40 PM

Trust the Democrats to implode. Trust the Republicans not at all. This election is a tragic missed opportunity already.

Posted by: DFC | March 23, 2008 5:41 PM

Obama and his campaign in the past week has tried SERIOUS WAG THE DOG TACTICS, they are "TYPICALLY" DESPERATE:

1. First, they release a photo of one of America's best Presidents, the great William Jefferson Clinton (a.k.a. Bubba) with IMPASTOR-Rev. Wrong. Big deal, a President of the U.S. meets/greets many people during his/her term. The photo also shows Bubba doesn't scare away from black people unlike the cabbie that passes by.

Question here is did he spend 20 years at his church listening to divisive hate speech. Was he married in his church? Were his children baptized by this hate monger?

Obama claims innocence, but he and his campaign's tactics are TYPICALLY very dirty, TYPICAL of a morally CORRUPT Politician whose message of uniting One America now proving to be a lie! I HAVE LOST ALL RESPECT for OBAMA as he continues to TRULY PLAY DIVISIVE POLITICS!

2. Second, with this b.s. passport breach news. I'm sure they knew of this long ago, but, Obama's campaign tried to use it as a way to sway attention away from his IMPASTOR. It turns out all 3 candidates had their passports breached. Big deal, unless one of them made a trip to Cuba, Libya or some other restriced place???

Obama: Any videos out there with Chavez???

3. Also this past week, they get this ZERO Bill Richardson to endorse Obama. Et tu Brute? All this "overweight lover in the house" does is occupy latitudes and longitudes. Richardson was a day late and a dollah short or should I say a PESO short, getting this UNLOYAL JUDAS' endorsement is like having PESOS in your pocket, that is CHANGE that is not worth much at all!

4. In the meanwhile this BAMA has no problem throwing his grandmother under the Hawaiian Pineapple Tree...reminds me of a classic song usually heard during the holiday season:

"Grandma got run over by a reindeer, walking home from our house Christmas Eve, you can say there's no such thing as Santa, but, as for Obama and his IMPASTOR they believe!"

Re: BILL RICHARDSON.
A. What a ZERO, pandering for a V.P. position, staying quiet not endorsing either candidate till he thought Obama would prevail in Texas and Ohio, then, calling for Hillary to quit the race when it was still virtually tied before the people had a chance to speak in Texas and Ohio.

B. Zero because Bill Richardson picked up all of ZERO delegates when he bowed out of the race just before his state's (New Mexico) caucus, because he did not want to be embarrassed in his own state. He didn't have the "cojones" to continue, Hillary does, she wears the "Pant-Suit"!

C. Bill Richardson is a former Clintonista, un-grateful and dis-loyal after Bubba put him on the map. Nobody wants him as a V.P., because being overweight, he is only good to occupy latitudes and longitudes on that map that Bill C. put him on! "HE is the overweight lover in the house, the house...!"

D. Richardson is a wannabe latino (one could not tell from his name) who started to market himself as one after it became fashionable to be "livin' the vida loca"!

I wonder if he can even speak the language (Spanish) properly? He can't, heard his endorsement he used a few phrases in Spanish, his accent sucks and his Spanish vocabulary is limited.

E. Bill Richardson's endorsement is like having PESOS in your pocket, CHANGE that is not worth very much!

F. Who was he (Richardson) to tell Hillary to quit the race when there was still "time left on the clock"? That would be March Madness! Americans are not quitters, it's just not the American way. Hillary is a great American and she will be a great President!

God Bless America, God Bless America, God Bless America. Yes, yes, yes, I said it, it's right there in the bible, the 2nd word is BLESS, let me repeat it: GOD BLESS AMERICA!

Posted by: cheersdk | March 23, 2008 5:41 PM

Richardson is full of crap. With friends like him, who needs enemies. Back stabbin bastard. Does he really think Obama is going to pick a two faced jerk as his running mate? He's proved his disloyalty, only an idiot would trust him now.

Posted by: JR | March 23, 2008 5:41 PM

I don't think Obama agrees with the views of Reverend Wright. How could he? Obama is the son of an African immigrant who went to Harvard and a white American mother. Obama has no ancestors who were slaves or who suffered through Jim Crow. He's got nothing to complain about.

He just went to that church because he had to be politically viable in South Chicago. Just like John McCain has to get the endorsement of crazies like Robertson.

Posted by: MB | March 23, 2008 5:42 PM

I am a Canadian. If I can vote i will vote for Hillary.

Posted by:Anal
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You sure you are not an Obamanite. Name kind of sounds Omamanian. I'll have to say you sound more intelligent than most Obamanites.

Posted by: Chief | March 23, 2008 5:44 PM


I used to be one of millions who thought Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton would of been the dream ticket.

After everything we are fiding out about Obama...I can no longer in good conscious vote for him.

He has turned out be a liar and a supporter of hatred, racism and anti-american views. I can never forgive him for defending a pastor that insinuated the victims of 911...twin towers, pentagon and Pennsylvania deserved what they got.

I am AMERICAN first above anything.......so I will have to vote for the person I believe has Americas best interest at heart.

That is NOT Obama.

I just hope the DNC and super delegates realizes that the majority of Democrats feel the same way and if Obama gets the nomination we will lose the election.

Posted by: ann | March 23, 2008 5:44 PM

At least Gov. Richardson has been paying attention to how bad the HRC campaign has been.

Oh, and gary: The admonition of "hip-hop, gangsta and street culture" is a little off the mark, since it's primary consumer is young white males in suburbia.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 5:45 PM

At least Gov. Richardson has been paying attention to how bad the HRC campaign has been.

Oh, and gary: The admonition of "hip-hop, gangsta and street culture" is a little off the mark, since it's primary consumer is young white males in suburbia.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 5:45 PM

Richardson is a sell out and Obama has associated himself with an extremist for 20 YEARS! I do not want that in MY White House!! Unfortunately, the Democrats will find out too late that Obama should NOT be the nominee at the expense of Michigan and Florida.. I know I am changing my political affiliation, if Hillary is not chosen. I will vote for McCain!

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 5:45 PM

dmadbass, welcome to Entitled Politicians For More Entitled Politicians. Your Republican Party background and your lack of any sense of humor qualify you to free admission to out "Meet Up" next week, where we will be addressing the topic of "Which Entitled Politicians are an Oil Tanker full of Scum and Which Are Not" lead by "Dave." Al G***, the "President Whom We Dare Not Mention" will be a guest speaker by iphone. Hope you can make it!

Posted by: Entitled Politicians for More Entitled Politicians | March 23, 2008 5:45 PM

All of us are capable of hearing truth that comes from the heart. Mr. Richardson said he sees something special in Obama that comes once in a lifetime. Listen to what Obama says. He truly loves this country, and has no sense of entitlement to the presidency. He want to help us come together. You can tell by his sincerity that he wants to help this country. I can see this. I know if others look and listen to his message without contempt prior to investigation, they will hear and see his sincerity. We haven't had someone run for the presidency with his kind of vision and charisma for a long, long time. We need to have a person like Obama to look to for inspiration and hope for this country.

Posted by: Patrick | March 23, 2008 5:46 PM

A broad sampling of the comments here suggests the American people deserve Hillary Clinton as president. This is a historic opportunity to actually change the course of the country and its policies - but the most vocal constituency prefers business as usual, and a president historic only for her gender.

That's assuming that if she got the nomination, that she wouldn't be soundly bounced by John McCain, which I believe she would. It likely wouldn't make much difference, because John McCain would be only marginally worse.

America is circling the rim of the bowl. It only needs Hillary (or McCain) at the helm to send it into the toilet for good. But all the yellers want Hillary. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Posted by: Mark | March 23, 2008 5:47 PM

The amount of animosity is incredible. If the Democrats don't learn to hang together, we will hang alone. I am from New Mexico, and I would like to note that, yes, Hillary did win New Mexico, by about 1,500 votes, out of 150,000 cast. I don't think that obligates Bill Richardson to endorse her. By her own accounting, he should endorse the person he thinks will make the best president. I think he held out for as long as he did out of loyalty to the Clintons.

The fact is, Obama is likely to get the Democratic nomination, and for the Democrats who didn't support him, you all need to come together. We are headed for a big recession, brought on by market deregulation of mortgages, security derivatives and other Republican get rich quick schemes, along with a trillion dollars down the toilet in the Iraq War, not mention the lives, limbs and young minds lost or damaged. Have you not had enough?

Posted by: Carl Friedrichs III MD | March 23, 2008 5:47 PM

At this point I make the dire prediction that the 2 dinosaurs McCain ( tyrannosaurus rex )and Lieberman ( pterodacxtyl )..( his likely running mate) , have it in the bag.. Obama's foolish decision to stick with his angry, race obsessed minister, and the Clinton's determination to win at all costs.. even if it destroys the Democratic Party.. are in effect paving the way to the White House for McCain.. a war obsessed old man who's sure to keep us in Iraq ( and Iran ? ) for the forseeable future, and who admittedly knows nothing about the economy, which is rapidly sliding into a Depression.. 4-8 more years of dysfunction and incompetence !!! What a way to choose a President ! God help us !!!

Posted by: spiritguide | March 23, 2008 5:49 PM

Sure Hillary sees a bump after the Wright fiasco.

The negativity from her camp is hurting her and Obama, but most of all the party.

Posted by: juked | March 23, 2008 5:49 PM

Richardson is a man of integrety because he decided to support the best candidate. He did not allow himself to be strongarmed by the Clintons. They don't own him. That took a lot of courage and integrity on his part. For James to call him a Judas is just another example of gutter politics.

Posted by: Diane | March 23, 2008 5:50 PM

I still looking for HRC to be vetted. Most of the reports coming out, if they are true, have more pinnochios then most people that are being vetted.

I really like the one in Bosnia of being under attach when she arrived. Or, the one about how she brokered the Ireland agreement with Great Britain. What about the issue that she was in the White House on the day Bill was with Monica!

Posted by: jerry rubin | March 23, 2008 5:50 PM

It is hard to believe that Bill Clinton wasn't attacking Obams's patriotism. Otherwise, what else was he talking about? As for as I know, the nominees for President from each party have all been patriotic in recent elections. Bush I had a long career of public service, Dole gave an arm, Kerry served in Vietnam, and no one has ever accused Al Gore or George W. of not being patriotic. Unless Clinton is talking about himself having ducked the military, who else is he talking about?

Posted by: Waybelted | March 23, 2008 5:51 PM

Bravo to Bill Richardson for being honest. Hillary Clinton seems to fight dirty, she gets mad when she's losing, her marriage apparently is a political arrangement?, and now she berates Richardson for speaking his mind, going with his heart. (And how many of her votes are from Republicans trying to skew the Deomocratic race, by the way?) I try to get past the petty barbs, politics as usual, but it's hard to miss her "Dirty Tricks" campaign tactics. Please resolve the fight one way or the other soon, can't afford another 4 years of the current mess.

Posted by: Lois West | March 23, 2008 5:54 PM

After knowing who the kinds of people Obama hangs out with, and socializes with, I have concluded that a person like that has VERY bad decision making skills. Do we need a president like this? Bush was the worst president in history, now with obama I am not sure bush would keep that title.... I'm not a white person, but if I were, I'd think twice about endorsing such a racist, hating individual. Specially after all the negative things he said about his very own parents and grandparents that raised him, who put him through the very best in life, not even his own biological parents wanted him. Yet he has more love for them than those that took care of him simply because of the color of their skin. Obama is what Martin Luther King was against!

Posted by: just a guy | March 23, 2008 5:54 PM

Dear "Chief,"

We read with concern your words as follows:

"You sure you are not an Obamanite. Name kind of sounds Omamanian. I'll have to say you sound more intelligent than most Obamanites."

The Committee for Racial Reconciliation would like to invite you, Chief, to avoid using Native American associations on your logins (unless you are Native American) and in that case may you recieve many of Creator's blessings.

Similarly references to Obamanites and Omamanian written to Anil have been determined to be vaguely racist and decidedly non global and jingoistic in approach.

On this Easter Sunday when God and the Easter Bunny are paying close attention to our word and deeds, please know that unless you wish to be smitten by Sodomites or turned in to a pillar of salt you should try to be more kind to your fellow planetary citizens while we still have an atmosphere to breath.

Regards,

Dave

World Committee for Racial Reconciliation

Posted by: Committee for Racial Reconciliation | March 23, 2008 5:55 PM

i think obama did very well in his speech last week. it reminded me of bill clinton's defense in the monica lewinsky case. to me, he is looking more like a bill clinton part 2 without the negatives. i'm shifting grudgingly from hillary. obama's the man.

Posted by: nonoyd | March 23, 2008 5:55 PM


If Obama didn't believe in the views of Pastor Wright...he wouldn't be using phrases like "typical white person"

Obama has shown to be a hypocrite and untrustworthy.

He has succeeded in dividing this country with his b.s.

Posted by: mary | March 23, 2008 5:55 PM

This election should not be about fear or about religions... it should be about changes.

CHANGES...

The government is disfunctional since decades. Many big projets that are needed require drastic changes in the way of doing politics. Republicans, independents and democracts need to work together. The Clintons have been polirizing figures in the '90s. Bush II has also been a polirizing figure. The governement is disfunctional and people's empowerment must be enhanced. Obama has practical experience of this. As a community organizer, he has worked in the street directly with people. He has also an history of working with republicans since he was a senator in Illinois. And his campaign is inclusive, not divisive.

FEAR...

Obama's opponents are playing the fear cards: What about his middle name? he must be a terrorist... What about his religion? he must be a muslim... What about his skin color? he must be half human... What about his patriotism?... he must be too much a citizen of the world...

As FDR said: "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself". The political establishments and the voters should not be afraid of changes. We are the product of changes.

RELIGIONS...

This election should also not be about religions, but the it might help to a better understanding of them. Countrary to some countries like Iran, in the U.S. there is, in principle, a separation of religion and politics. Preachers are supposed to put God's issues before political issues. And one of God's commandment is that "one shall not murder". During the the Bush-McCain-Clinton war in Iraq, the U.S. has murdered prisonners after torturing them. When Saddam was an ally against Iran, the U.S. closed its eyes on a genocide against the kurdes that killed thousands of children and women (secretary of states Rumfeld at that time was meeting with Saddam giving him his benediction to solidify the alliance against Iran). There are too many examples of this type. Many preachers from the right and from the left can often not close their eyes on these types of events without criticizing the politics responsibles for them. Those who do close their eyes are not men of God, they are politicians.

Posted by: Logan | March 23, 2008 5:56 PM

Freedom of speech and freedom of vote.
We have chose, for whom we want.

With the "race remarks" like Bill Clintons, and personal attacks "Muslim" attacks
Hillary lost it, in my corner. Disgusting!
Making the democrats look bad.
She only wants to break a record to be the first women president. I am women would love to see it happen, but not with one! No way.

Free to chose!

Posted by: Dee | March 23, 2008 5:56 PM

If the Dems. treated primaries like the Repbs,winner take all Hillary would be in already and Obama would havdelots of time to spend in church.Polls show that Hillary is beating McCain badly in every important state and Obama is trailing.

Posted by: roncraw | March 23, 2008 5:56 PM

If the Dems. treated primaries like the Repbs,winner take all Hillary would be in already and Obama would havdelots of time to spend in church.Polls show that Hillary is beating McCain badly in every important state and Obama is trailing.

Posted by: roncraw | March 23, 2008 5:56 PM

I don't agree with the notion that true Democrats have to support him.

The polls right now attest to the fact that Democrats didn't buy the speech, didn't like the disenengousness of a campaign based on superficialities, appearances, didn't like the pomposity.

Liberal Dems are selling him like he's the end all cure, and Hillary should leave the race; they want her out, because they're afraid of what just happened..his numbers are going down.

The media may not be able to save him now, though they sure are trying, CNN especially; despite the media spin in his favor, the public isn't buying it...

And they're the ones that elect, though the media sure is trying to take that priviledge away.

Yes, the public needs more avenues to speak out against the media and the parties.


That's what a Democracy is. We certainly weren't heard from for the last 8 years, e.g, the Cheney comment in response to that's not how the public feels and he said, "So what!"

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 5:56 PM

Happy Easter all.

Posted by: Easter Bunny | March 23, 2008 5:58 PM

If you guys think Bill Clinton's milquetoast jab at Obama's pride in America was harsh, just wait until the fall when the independent expenditure groups have free reign. Clinton, both HIllary and Bill, are shackled with some degree of party loyalty. The independent groups will not be.

Obama's association with Jeremiah Wright, his unwillingness to denounce Wright and even Michelle Obama's "first time I'm proud of America" comments will be blasted daily on the airways. And rightly or wrongly, it will resonate with the voters.

Obama may have, in his own mind and in the minds of African American voters, explained his 20 year association with Wright, but American voters will not elect a president with this background, especially not in these times.

Posted by: Moral Protagonist | March 23, 2008 5:58 PM

Bill Richardson is extraordinarily disengenuous. Richardson campaigned against Obama as not having enough experience to be President, but has now decided apparently that experience isn't so important as "something special." Richardson accuses Clinton's campaign of practicing "gutter" politics, when Obama has been doing it since day one?... LOL. Richardson is loyal to Clinton, but doesn't like the campaign being run by her advisors -- has Richardson met Obama's Axelrod?...another LOL. James Carvill probably had it right about the pieces of gold ... We should all wonder what Obama has promised Richardson in return for the endorsement!?

Posted by: mo897 | March 23, 2008 6:01 PM

"I am AMERICAN first above anything"

Posted by: ann | March 23, 2008 05:44 PM

I'm human first. And like all humans when someone lies to your face without skipping a beat. I don't like it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOsGo_HWP-c

Say what you will Obama is NOT Rev. Wright as much as you want him to be. Conversely Hillary is NOT Bill Clinton. They are four separate human beings.

And if you are going to single out people who said America deserved 9/11, you should be protesting Pat Robertson too if you are going to be consistent.

Posted by: UncleRemus | March 23, 2008 6:02 PM

My husband is hispanic. My son recently returned safely from his second deployment. We are tired of the way this country has been run and don't need another Clinton. Obama is a breath of fresh air and the candidate we have chosen to support. He is the only candiate that can bring this great country together.

Obama 08

Posted by: hopeful | March 23, 2008 6:03 PM

You can count on the Clintons. They will be there when they need you.

Posted by: Bill Walker | March 23, 2008 6:04 PM

I'm "one of those typical white women" Obama talks about and I would cross the street if I saw Obama coming in my direction, absolutely!! Yet I will sit in my Catholic church by a nice young black lady and share my prayer book and chat with her gladly. Our priest does not say "God da-- America" or the crap about 911 or aids. Obama is a liar (NAFTA, REZO,), as is his wife. How did he acquire his large mansion - the lot next to his had to be bought at the same time. Who purchased that lot? He's been listening to Wright's evil statements about America for all these years and he says he did not hear some. BS

Posted by: love234america | March 23, 2008 6:04 PM

I will vote against the Clintons (and James Carville) here in Lititz PA on April 22nd.

Posted by: Jim | March 23, 2008 6:04 PM

I've had it. I'm coming back from the dead.

Posted by: Jesus H. Christ | March 23, 2008 6:05 PM

Obama's supporters will forgive him for anything.

If Obama was found in bed with a dead girl, they'd say she died of happiness.

If Obama was found in bed with a live boy they'd say Obama cured his leprosy.

They're in love.

Never fall in love with a politician.

They'll break your heart every time.

Posted by: Fred | March 23, 2008 6:05 PM

Referring to his wife Hillary and Senator John McCain, former President Bill Clinton, said, "I think it would be a great thing if we had an election year where you had two people who loved this country and were devoted to the interest of this country. And people could actually ask themselves who is right on these issues, instead of all this other stuff that always seems to intrude itself on our politics." This is typical of the vile which constantly spews from the mouths of the self-righteous and self-loving Clinton's. The constant drone that chameleon Hillary Clinton is electable in any general election, much less than she is more electable than Senator Obama is laughable. Clinton gets no independent voters, no crossover Republican voters, and the Clinton's Barack to the back of the bus campaign has guaranteed that if she should steal the Democrat nomination, African-Americans, progressives and other Democrats who are sickened by the sixteen years of Bush-Clinton hate mongering and divisiveness will either stay home or support the lesser of two evils, John McCain. Senator McCain maybe a misguided soul; you have to consider his age and background when listening to his perplexing statements, much as you do Reverend Wright, but at least McCain has a soul, Hillary Clinton does not. Former President Clinton's statement reveals the true Clinton mentality; they believe that American politics is like an exclusive country club where people of color and of the wrong religions are not admitted. Hillary and Senator McCain should be allowed to sit on the veranda, nursing their cool drinks as they discuss what is the next group of innocent Arabs and Persians which the United States should maim and kill. During the Bush-Clinton era, the wealthiest 1% of the country now has 80% of the wealth of the country. Clinton and McCain, if they didn't have to worry about this "other stuff" could be free to plot the complete destruction of the middle class in this country. Yes, indeed there is an intrusion into this exclusive club, an intrusion by those who want to reclaim sensibility and decency for America after the despicable and deplorable Bush-Clinton years. The Democrats do have a dream team; it is Barack Obama and Bill Richardson.

Posted by: Timmy Coffee | March 23, 2008 6:05 PM

Obama is a big cry baby, its is never about him but always about the clinton campaign, all that mouth he got he will put his foot in his mouth. he can't have it both ways, he have been with a preacher that was his mentor for 20 years,then turn his back on this preacher and act as if he has memory lost. please. why not face it he fool the american people with change and hope. what other lies is he carrying around. he is really scary to me, and this was the first time he open that big mouth of his.

Posted by: monique | March 23, 2008 6:06 PM

Mr Schumer wants to have his cake and eat it too.

Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-NY.) said the Fed, and the Bush administration
overall, has not "done enough, and in fact, it shouldn't have come to this."

"Had the administration acted more proactively earlier, particularly about the housing crisis, when many of us were asking them to, we wouldn't have gotten up to this point," Schumer said. "And unfortunately, this administration has sort of a Herbert Hoover mentality -- don't do anything."

Mr Schumer is a member of the majority party in Congress. If as he claims, the Admisistration failed to act sooner, why did the Congressional Majority wait until now to speak up?

Why have Congressional Democrats holding the majority failed to propose legislation to address what it claims are shortcomings?

Fact of the matter is that when Democrats won the majority in Congress they did so promising "Change" in Washington.

Since Democrats won the majority in 2006, Congress has obstructed nearly every attempt the President has made to propose legislation based solely on partisan political objectives.

Congress just allowed tax cuts to expire at a time when businesses that relied those cuts to grow need them most.

Since 2006, Congress has denied approval of Federal Judges based solely of political partisanship and a desire to postpone appointments until after the November elections.

Congressional Democrats called for change, yet all the 'change' Americans have seen is for the worse.

In 2006, gasoline was around $2.50 a gallon, now it is approcahing $4.00 in parts of the country. The Democratic majority in Congress has chosen to sit and do nothing.

In 2006, consumer confidence was at an all time high, two years into the Democratic Party take over of Congress, and confidence is at an all time low. The Democratic majority in Congress has chosen to sit and do nothing.


In 2006, the economy was healthy, today, we are fighting inflation, facing a recession, and huge job losses across the country. The Democratic majority in Congress has chosen to sit and do nothing.


So exactly what have Democrats accomplished in the way of change which they promised in 2006?

Seems to me that America has seen none of the change that Democrats promised when they campaigned for and won the majority in Congress.

Democrats have chosen to play opposition politics instead - believing that if they do nothing, then nothing is their fault.

Seems to me the only accomplishment Democrats have made since taking the majority in Congress is to approve yet another big fat pay increase for themselves.

Apparently, the "change" Democrats referred to was the small change left over after taxes are taken out of Americans paychecks that they are expected to live on.

Posted by: RicRoe | March 23, 2008 6:06 PM

Its time to stop the resource wasting campaign, just amend the law so power is transferable from dad to son, and husband to wife, etc. Let those who gained experiences by heredity service the county. The rest politians are stupid by choice and they have no clue how to fight a war.

Posted by: justmakeitsimple | March 23, 2008 6:07 PM

Looks like the Dems are going to have a mutation at the core - a cell division. Hurrah for multi-party system. More choices.

Posted by: Kila -but | March 23, 2008 6:07 PM

Here's some irony for you - The Clinton Global Initiative, part of the Clinton Foundation, has secured partnerships for the following initiatives:
$271,000,000.00 over a 5-year period for educational opportunities for 7.5 million children in Africa and Asia.
$40,000,000.00 over 5 years for critical education needs for 3,000,000 girls in Africa.
$12,000,000.00 over 8 years to improve schooling and health outcomes for girls 10-14 in Southern Africa.
Maybe someone should tell Barack Obama that trying to label Bill Clinton a "racist" is contrary to everything he has ever done in his life, and is not only dishonest, it is disgusting.

Posted by: Fred | March 23, 2008 6:07 PM

Now we have a whole team against America... Barrack "anti-flag" Obabma, a "Who Cares" General, and a "Failed Politician" Richardson. Obamba is getting the retreads..Kennedy, Kerry, Richardson next Edwards all failed all have tired and old politics written all over them..,,,, This TWP will vote Democrat if given only one reason... Have not seen that yet...

Posted by: A TWP | March 23, 2008 6:07 PM

I wish people would stop excusing the racist, hateful words used by Obamas pastor.

You keep trying to pull an Obama tactic and want us to hear the whole sermon...as if that would forgive the hateful things he promotes.

Sorry...the values we use to protect the innoncent and victims of this world say that ONCE is enough. ONE hateful word is too many...ONE hateful act is too many...ONE time...of subjecting your child to such hateful words is enouh......then you do what most Americans would do...SAY NO to HATE and RACISM and WALK AWAY.

Obama chose to stay and help promote this abuse and hatred and subject his children to the same ugly rhetoric.

He can no longer claim to have good judgment or the best interest of America. He only serves and worships his OWN self interests.

Let's not forget that reason he defends Pastor Wright...is because he has taken an oath to follow the Black Value Systems of that church which dictate "Allegiance to all Black Leaders"

Need I say more...

America will vote NO for Obama in November.

Posted by: Ann | March 23, 2008 6:07 PM

Bill Richardson was very generous when he said that he didn't think the former president meant to imply Barack was unpatriotic. This on the day after Clinton hatchet man James Carville called Richardson "Judas".

I'm not that generous.

For Lent this year I'm giving up
on Hillary.

Posted by: Paul Christian | March 23, 2008 6:07 PM

The DemoKlown Party of retreat, despair, hopelessness and ambiguity will not defend you on USA soil either.

Posted by: S. Weneslaw | March 23, 2008 6:08 PM

Dear Bill Richardson,

You endorsed a candidate that gives fantastic speeches. However, Obama's political record does not match his speeches. He hides from controversy.

Let me count the ways:
1) In 1999, Obama skipped the vote about gun control in Illinois. He was on vacation in Hawaii.

2) In the Senate, he failed to hold any oversight hearings about Afghanistan. He was too busy running for President.

3) During the battle in Congress over the Immigration Bill, he put in minimum effort according to Congressional members.

4) He gave a fantastic speech about racism in America. However, for the last 20 years, he has done little to confront it until his campaign was forced to by Rev. Wright.

5) His entire time in the Senate has been calculated to run as President. He speaks about unity, but has no record to prove it.

6) He lied about Rezko. If I recall, he only completed 5 hours of legal work. However, Rezko has contributed $250,000 to his campaign and helped with the purchase of his house by buying the lot next door.

7) He voted "present" about 129 times in Illinois. Granted most Illinois politicians do this. However, his record deserves scrutiny because he his running for President. Voting present is an easy out to avoid being tagged with controversial voting bills.

You endorsed Obama because he is something new and inspiring in politics. However, Obama is losing the Latino voters and needs your help in this matter.

Governor Richardson, I have lost my respect for you.

Go Team Hillary!!!!

Posted by: EWard | March 23, 2008 6:09 PM

Whats the matter with you typical white persons? you...mostly midddle-aged and old ladies?

Our Barack can turn America a land of hope to which people from all over the world will flock

Posted by: Oh typical white persons | March 23, 2008 6:10 PM

Richardson, Who?

Posted by: Kano | March 23, 2008 6:10 PM

'Team Hillary' lost months ago. Get over it.

Posted by: B. T. Clown | March 23, 2008 6:10 PM

What Bill Richardson did is despicable. Not in the sense that he backed Obama but that he did it when he did it and how he did it. Of all the turn overs, this is the worse. There was no reason for him not to stay out of it and wait until June.
What he has done is fuel the anger among democrats and divide the party even more. This will hurt him and if anyone feels entitled to the presidency is not Hillary it is Barack Obama.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 6:11 PM

roncraw makes a good point. If the Democratic primaries mimicked the general election, as the GOP primaries do, Hillary would be ahead in electoral votes about 260 to 190. One only needs 270 to win the presidency. This is another reason Hillary has every right to stay in this race.

Remember the superdelegates were created to make sure the Democratic party puts forth the best candidate in the fall. Given HIllary's lead in electoral votes, the superdelegates should be looking closely at Hillary, not Obama.

Posted by: Moral Protagonist | March 23, 2008 6:11 PM

roncraw makes a good point. If the Democratic primaries mimicked the general election, as the GOP primaries do, Hillary would be ahead in electoral votes about 260 to 190. One only needs 270 to win the presidency. This is another reason Hillary has every right to stay in this race.

Remember the superdelegates were created to make sure the Democratic party puts forth the best candidate in the fall. Given HIllary's lead in electoral votes, the superdelegates should be looking closely at Hillary, not Obama.

Posted by: Moral Protagonist | March 23, 2008 6:11 PM

Hi,

I'm a typical white person and I'm voting for Barack Obama.

Posted by: Typical White Person | March 23, 2008 6:11 PM

Tamp down the Clintonistas or I'm afraid I'll have to put on my "Impeach McCain" bumper sticker.

Posted by: Sid, the white-shoe humanist | March 23, 2008 6:12 PM

The anger of the Obama groupies at Clinton is completely misplaced. For months now, since Iowa, although he has won many delegates, Obama has made one irretrievable mistake after another. He lost me and many others when he took the easy road and made himself the "racial identity" candidate to African Americans, and the "expiate your historical sins" candidate to extremely liberal white voters. The failure of his ultimate campaign to the general voters is inherent in the easy approach he has taken. Had he run simply on the strength of talent and ideas, he may have won myself and many others over to his side (I never wanted to vote for Clinton, or for McCain). It is much too late for Obama- the seeds of his failure were in the nature of his early success.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | March 23, 2008 6:12 PM

Let's take these one by one:

"The "theology" that Wright teaches at his church is nothing like Christianity as most people understand it..."
-- Fred

WHAM: Fred doesn't understand it either. Freed slaves, for many decades even after the Emancipation Proclamation, were not allowed to own businesses or pass large inheritances to succeeding generations, thus ensuring that whites would always stay ahead of blacks economically, politically (only three black senators in all of U.S. history, Obama being one), and socially. Now, I don't know how other people here feel about kicking a people when they're down, but I'm inclined to believe the people screaming "Stop kicking me, you white devil!" have a point. Even if they don't (a HUGE if), that doesn't mean Obama is racist because his pastor sermonized partly based on the theological ideas of Cone. I've read "Peter Rabbit," "Man Without a Country," "War and Peace," "The Holy Bible" and "The Satanic Verses." I don't necessarily agree with the authors I've studied. That's the nature of reading. We all pick and choose our ideas. You've read a book, haven't you, Fred?

"Obama is not a great American! Anyone condeming America while running for president is NEVER a great American!"
-- american hero

SLAM: Love the chosen identity. Of course, Obama has never condemned America. I just hope the GREAT american hero will confuse Hillary's name on the ballot with Obama's.

"Obama has the Audacity to Hope that we are all stupid enough to forget that he lied about NAFTA..."
-- Fred (again)

BAM: Obama never lied about NAFTA. A lower-level Canadian diplomat just got it wrong. Now Hillary, on the other hand, did lie. Despite claiming she opposed NAFTA's passage, she showed up as cheerleader for its passage multiple times, as shown by her own recently released First Lady schedule notes.

"If Obama didn't believe in the views of Pastor Wright...he wouldn't be using phrases like "typical white person"
-- mary

THANK YOU MAM: Another inversion of logic from a typical Hillary supporter.

Posted by: rippermccord | March 23, 2008 6:12 PM

Obama/Richardson '08!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Typical White Person | March 23, 2008 6:14 PM

Re: BILL RICHARDSON

My My. Now Bill Richardson is bad-mouthing Hillary Clinton's campaign team, but is trying to tell us he thinks the Clinton's are wonderful people, or something like that.

Mr. Richardson -- you have already spoken on this matter. We heard you the first time.

We (the voters) will take it from here.

To bring everybody up to date, Governor Bill Richardson of New Mexico is declaring his vote now as a Superdelegate for Barack Obama. He gets one vote.

And then he talks about how the rest of the country should coalesce around Mr. Obama before the Convention so everybody can go into the Convention "lovey-dovey".

I think Governor Richardson has been riding out there in the sun too long without a hat.

"Earth to Bill Richardson"....Elections are still underway. Look at the calendar. You will see. There are more votes to be taken and counted. It "ain't" over. Senator Clinton can pull this off; she is on the way. But I know she would welcome your vote on November 4th against John McCain.

And then you can start planning for your next re-election campaign, if there will be one.

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _


Things are close. See below.

Attention: All America including Bill Richardson

From the Associated Press
Wednesday, March 19, 2008; 6:23 PM

THE RACE: The presidential race for Democrats nationally -


THE NUMBERS FROM GALLUP

Hillary Rodham Clinton, 49 percent

Barack Obama, 42 percent


OF INTEREST: For the first time in nearly six weeks, Hillary Rodham Clinton leads Barack Obama, 49 percent to 42 percent in daily tracking polling conducted this past Sunday to Tuesday. Her last lead was in the Feb. 7-9 polling, which was coming off the heels of her strong showing on Super Tuesday.

The Gallup Poll is based on telephone interviews conducted March 16-18, and is part of an ongoing tracking poll in which Gallup interviews 1,000 new adults every day. These results are based on interviews with 1,209 Democratic and Democratic-leaning voters nationally and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

COMPLETE RESULTS: http://www.gallup.com

Posted by: Common Sense12 | March 23, 2008 6:14 PM

Starting right out of the gate with false declarations about Rezko, Wright, Farraken; it just won't cut the mustard in November. This is not someone who can NOT represent the core of the Democratic party.

There is ample reason for superdelegates to turn their support away from Obama. The question is if they don't, they'll be electing a candidate who truly does not represent the party.

You can't win an election without the support of blue states and swing states.
You can't win an election without the base.


Frankly McCain looks better. And the reason I say this is realistically we are going to have to have a presence in Iraq. It's the strategic reality in the Mid-east. We can pull troops out, demand more accountability, but we will still need to be there in some capacity.

So, who ever is under the delusion that even Obama would pull us out with NADA, is being unrealistic.

Posted by: vammap | March 23, 2008 6:15 PM

Who would have thought that after 8 years of Bush horrors the Democrats would lose the next election. But if Barack Obama is our candidate, say hello to President McCain. This will be the first time in my life that I will not proudly vote for a Democratic candidate, but I will not suffer thru 4 more years of a deer-in-the-headlights, inexperienced, unqualified man as President. McCain will get this Democrat's vote and the vote of several other lifelong Democrats that I know.

Posted by: Debbie | March 23, 2008 6:15 PM

I've promised myself to refrain from the ignorant spews of the HRC camp/supporters. It's way too divisive for me to engage myself in. At the end of the day, we all know who is fooling who.

Posted by: Nancy | March 23, 2008 6:16 PM

Uncle Remus

The truth hurts....and if Pat Robertson was running for President and said or defended people like Reverend Wright.

I would vote NO for him as well.

Stop trying to make this a black vs. white issue. It's not!!

While your view might be jaded and you only see black vs. white...the rest of Americans don't. We feel everybody should be treated equal and deserves equal treatment and double standards should not apply to Obama or anyone else.

Obama was wrong...his pastor was wrong....Obamas statement of "typical white person" was wrong....his continued attacks and pushing of the race issue ..is wrong.

Obama is wrong for America.

You said you don't like people who lie to your face...what about Obamas lie after lie after lie on national television...why is it OK for him to lie?

As I said I am AMERICAN first above all and I will not be bullied into voting for Obama or anyone else if they are not right for this Nation.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 6:17 PM

We want Dave!

Posted by: Dave Fan Club | March 23, 2008 6:17 PM

There is no way Hillary or McCain or Bill Clinton himself could have ever gotten away with a comment made by Obama while he was in SC.
"Go get Pookie, and ReRe, and your cousin out of the "poolhall" and tell them to get down here and vote, so we can win this thing."
Now, if that is not a sterotypical racial comment, I don't know what is.
Frankly, Obama really does get away with having a double standard according to his audience. I find his double-speak very disconcerting when it comes to comments made to voters vs. those made to Canada, comments to voters vs.those made to other governments concerning Iraq, comments to voters about racism while sitting in church. Comments to voters about his friendship with Rezko.
The shoe has fallen. The other one will fall shortly.

Posted by: cdl | March 23, 2008 6:18 PM

"The anger of the Obama groupies at Clinton is completely misplaced. For months now, since Iowa, although he has won many delegates, Obama has made one irretrievable mistake after another."
-- dyingikeflies

Isn't that thinkinglikeflies? Surely making one "irretrievable" mistake after another would have spelled the end of Hillary's diabolical plan to give Obama 30 victories, a majority of delegates and the majority of popular votes.

Posted by: rippermccord | March 23, 2008 6:19 PM

Here we are on the brink of a recession, millions of Americans are losing their jobs and their homes. Millions more don't have any health insurance and live in terror of getting sick. We are in the throws of a war we need to end. The rest of the world is in chaos and our reputation lies bleeding on the floor. Now, instead of nominating Clinton, it looks as if the Democrats are hell bent on handing the ball to Obama. His lack of judgment and connections guarantee that any American who actually thinks about their vote will have no choice but to stay home in November or vote McCain. I am stunned that people are still prepared to give Obama the benefit of the doubt after the past ten days of his divisive and duplicitous campaign.

Posted by: Check out the Kenyan Cousin Odinga | March 23, 2008 6:21 PM

Richardson is a back stabber with no loyalities to anyone other than himeself. I wonder what he wants in return for this endorsement. I guess that old saying is true. If you want a friend in Washington, then get a dog.

Posted by: jes | March 23, 2008 6:21 PM

Any one who wants to run for the Presidency should not be allowed. It is not for the good of the Country but for their own "EGO"

Posted by: vjm | March 23, 2008 6:21 PM

This just in:

When the World Trade Center was attacked for the first time on Feb. 26, 1993, President Bill Clinton flew to New York to be briefed on the attack and the response by city, state and federal authorities. According to newly released White House calendars of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton's time as first lady, Mrs. Clinton stayed behind in Washington to attend a photo shoot with Parade magazine and a performance of "Jesus Christ Superstar."

Vote for Hillary, she may be "an oil tanker full of scum" but she likes Jesus.

Posted by: Entitled Politicians for More Entitled Politicians | March 23, 2008 6:22 PM

One very OBVIOUS thing the media ( and Richardson ) seem to be oblivious to, or ignoring, that keeps Hillary in the race, is the likelihood that Obama is now doomed by his association with Rev Wright.. not to mention Louis Farrakhan ( however remotely ), Tony Rezko and other Chicago characters.. and by Michelle's gaffe. Altho I am still an Obama supporter, I think if ALL of this came to light early along, he would not be where he is today with all his wins and delegates. I believe the tide is now against him and there is little he can do to correct this. Bill and Hillary evidently cannot come right out and say this.. but to me it is clear as day. At this point, as I mentioned before.. it probably doesn't matter who " wins ".. I think enough of the general electorate is so disillusioned and turned off as to make it a shoe-in for McCain.. something I dread. I think the Democrats have shot themselves in the foot AGAIN !!! Hopefully some miracle happens and I prove to be wrong...

Posted by: spiritguide | March 23, 2008 6:22 PM

Common Sense 12,

You're pathetic. Here it is Easter and you're using old poll numbers. Try this:


March 22, 2008
Gallup Daily: Obama Edges Ahead of Clinton
Democratic nomination preference: Obama 48%, Clinton 45%

PRINCETON, NJ -- Barack Obama has quickly made up the deficit he faced with Hillary Clinton earlier this week, with the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking update on Democratic presidential nomination preferences showing 48% of Democratic voters favoring Obama and 45% Clinton.

Posted by: rippermccord | March 23, 2008 6:22 PM

To all you haters out there: Look at the big picture here! Democrats should be encourage to question each other now and get as much attention from the media as they can. whoever wins after the convention will be stronger then ever against the republicans cause there won't be any surprises. Obama/hillary 08! or Hillary/Obama 08!

Posted by: Medo | March 23, 2008 6:22 PM

I am saddened to read the ignorant and uselessly inflammatory comments posted here. Between the bad English and vicious invective, I can understand why people overseas think of us as "Ugly Americans".

Eight years of right-wing mismanagement have driven the country into the toilet financially. All you folks on the left can do is sling mud back and forth. You are emulating the right with a vengeance.

I hope the Democratic Party can reunite so that we can try to resurrect the respect for civil discourse that was abandoned during the Reagan ("ketchup is a vegetable" - "drug users are murderers") Administration.

Posted by: vaporland | March 23, 2008 6:23 PM

This typical white person will never vote for Obama....Not because of race.....but because he initally lied when asked about his pastor....that's a bad sign. He instinctively lied. He did tell the truth five days later....but he lied!

Posted by: cb | March 23, 2008 6:24 PM

It is just ignorant that people in this country would think that superdelegates are supposed to vote for a candidate because a favor is owed (what about the PEOPLE). Gov. Richardson is right, and he owes the Clintons nothing. He has and continues to do a fine job, not for the Clintons, but for Americans. He did the right thing, and I thank him. The Clinton campaign has proved what I have heard and what I have thought all along (they have temper tantrums/get very anger when things do not go its way - they are extremely DIVISIVE).

Hillary has proven that she is NOT the right person to bring this country together, and she will not do a good job (she is selfish, misleading, and has proven she is only thinking of the Clintons in the Whitehouse again, and is not thinking about the People). Now tell me why should the Clinton campaign get so upset because Gov. Richardson stated and did what he truly believes would be best for the country? How ridiculous it is for the PEOPLE to have to continue to go through this Democratic Party nonsense? People think it is interesting/funny to watch Hillary's campaign tear down decent people, and have this media frenzy continue, but this is disastrous for all of us. Yes, it is more so actions and comments from Hillary herself and her campaign - no matter how you spin it. Because Obama could have referenced Travelgate, Whitewater, her husband's racial comments, some of the deleted information among the 11,000 sheets recently issued, exaggerations about her international experience, and we can go on and on (what a joke). But, Obama chooses not to talk about that because he chose to talk about the issues that are important to the PEOPLE. But, we have those that are trying their best to push him away from what he truly believes (Change is needed in Washington for a better county and relationships for all of us) to discuss negative and misleading issues.

SHAME ON MOST OF THE REMAINING SUPERDELEGATES HOLDING OUT BECAUSE YOU FEEL YOU OWE THE CLINTONS A FAVORITE. THIS IS HORRIBLE, NOT JUST FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, BUT FOR THE COUNTRY. HILLARY CLINTON DOES NOT CARE ABOUT THE COUNTRY; SHE ONLY CARES ABOUT STATUS/HERSELF (SHE ONLY CARES ABOUT WHAT SHE THOUGHT WAS IN THE BAG ALREADY FOR HER). She can't keep all of her promises to all of you - think about it - ha ha ha.

I would not want anyone to head the country that has proven disaster in every area she claims to have experience (Healthcare (she will do nothing and say anything to win - empty promises and failures as stated many times before). The biggest joke is that she compares being a master of handling crisis to staying with a cheating husband (how stupid??? And insulting to the PEOPLE, but you have those who feel sorry for her because they can identify with her - again how stupid - find some backbone/self-esteem). And as for Gov. Rendell (you can see stupidity just from watching and listening to him - he definitely has a hidden agenda). Yes, he has definitely put his bet on the wrong horse.

Special note to Hillary supporters (she will not win, because many plan to stay home or vote for McCain if she wins/tries to steal the nominee through her government official cronies/superdelegates that owe the Clintons - what a joke (where is your conscience - WHAT ARE YOU THINKING??? SHE WILL NEVER HOLD THE TITLE OF PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

Posted by: Vette | March 23, 2008 6:24 PM

richardson is a real 100% Judas of 08.
This guy does not deserve to be governor of n Mexico. He is so jealous of the clintons that he cannot stand it, although his whole pathetic political life was handed to him by the clintons. We all know how jealous people behave. Look at Kerry, Kennedy and richardson.... a bunch of losers. let's wait and see how their constituents throw them out of office when the time comes.

Posted by: tony | March 23, 2008 6:25 PM

Uh, how come the guy who begins
"Uncle Remus

The truth hurts..."

doesn't even post his name? Now THAT's Hillary-style courage.

Posted by: rippermccord | March 23, 2008 6:26 PM


Where can Americans go to get a refund on their Obama vote?

We not only have Buyers remorse..we have buyers anxiety....Please give us our votes back!

Posted by: chula | March 23, 2008 6:26 PM

Richardson is in the unenviable position of having jumped onto a sinking ship. Of course he had no choice. It's becoming more and more obvious that Hillary will choose Evan Bayh as her VP.

Like the Obama campaign, he is now grasping at anything to stay afloat. It makes him look even more petty than his "timely" endorsement. What a tool!

Posted by: Typical White Veteran | March 23, 2008 6:27 PM

Govenor Rendell is a forceful advocate for Hillary Clinton. But one must remember that his support is another example of the benefits of being Bill Clinton's wife. Bill Clinton helped Rendell in his fight to become Mayor of Philadephia. Bill Clinton made Rendell's wife a Federal Judge. In short, one shouldn't be surprised by his empassioned support of Hillary.

In stark contrast, I really admire and feel that Bill Richardson's support of Obama is much more significant. Despite the fact Bill Clinton appointed him to many positions and he remains friends with him, nevertheless he endorsed Obama.

And Bill Richardson is right on the important issue of Democratic Unity in the general election. At this point any scenario for Hillary to win the nomination is torturious and hugely divisive. Because she is not likely to win either the pledged delegate or popular vote contests over Obama. It's time for other Super Delegates to weigh in and stop this competition which seems to degenerate into more negativity the longer it goes on. It's time as Richardson says to get behind Obama and unify against McCain and what is in effect a third George Bush term; McCain is the same as Bush on the war and the economy. America simply cannot afford that.

Posted by: McHenry | March 23, 2008 6:28 PM

Richardson is a typical sleazy, self serving politico that simply follows what he believes will yield the biggest payoff. If this doesn't pan out for him he'll find some way to go crawling back to the Clintons.

Posted by: rplat | March 23, 2008 6:28 PM

rippermccord

I see you use the OBAMA WAY tactics of ...if they disagree attack them personally.

I guess everybody interpets HOPE in their own twisted way.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 6:29 PM

Referring to his wife Hillary and Senator John McCain, former President Bill Clinton, said, "I think it would be a great thing if we had an election year where you had two people who loved this country and were devoted to the interest of this country. And people could actually ask themselves who is right on these issues, instead of all this other stuff that always seems to intrude itself on our politics." This is typical of the vile which constantly spews from the mouths of the self-righteous and self-loving Clinton's. The constant drone that chameleon Hillary Clinton is electable in any general election, much less than she is more electable than Senator Obama is laughable. Clinton gets no independent voters, no crossover Republican voters, and the Clinton's Barack to the back of the bus campaign has guaranteed that if she should steal the Democrat nomination, African-Americans, progressives and other Democrats who are sickened by the sixteen years of Bush-Clinton hate mongering and divisiveness will either stay home or support the lesser of two evils, John McCain. Senator McCain maybe a misguided soul; you have to consider his age and background when listening to his perplexing statements, much as you do Reverend Wright, but at least McCain has a soul, Hillary Clinton does not. Former President Clinton's statement reveals the true Clinton mentality; they believe that American politics is like an exclusive country club where people of color and of the wrong religions are not admitted. Hillary and Senator McCain should be allowed to sit on the veranda, nursing their cool drinks as they discuss what is the next group of innocent Arabs and Persians which the United States should maim and kill. During the Bush-Clinton era, the wealthiest 1% of the country now has 80% of the wealth of the country. Clinton and McCain, if they didn't have to worry about this "other stuff" could be free to plot the complete destruction of the middle class in this country. Yes, indeed there is an intrusion into this exclusive club, an intrusion by those who want to reclaim sensibility and decency for America after the despicable and deplorable Bush-Clinton years. The Democrats do have a dream team; it is Barack Obama and Bill Richardson

Posted by: Timmy Coffee | March 23, 2008 6:30 PM

Dear Vaporland,

Here at First Black President (s) Against More Black Presidents, we are happy to see that you're a "people person." What matters most is being with one another. Hillary Clinton is the savior for our country's ills because she has slept in the White House already. We know that she is good, because she is not Barack Obama. The logic is clear. Barack Obama would be ANOTHER BLACK PRESIDENT (or at least half that). Just say "Nobama!"

Thank you for your brief note!


Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 6:30 PM

I would have to agree with the comment left by"svreader",that Bill Richardson DEFINATELY wants to be Obama's right hand man,just like Dick Cheney has been to Pres.Bush.The only difference is if Obama wins the democratic nomination by disinfranchisibg the voters of Florida and Michigan,then it will be President McCain and his VP pick moving into the White House.McCain already has the endoresement of Florida's governor,so you take that along with the 2.5 million democrat's whose votes did not count in the primary,and you have McCain winning the state of Florida.I think it is a fair comparison to call Richardson another Judas.I am a young democrat,but I was raised in a methodist church,so I know the story of Judas.He betrayed Jesus not only for silver,but also for power.That is what Richardson is after.He was an ambassador to the U.N.and secretary of energy under Pres.Bill Clinton.I also wonder why he waited to endorse Obama when he saw that Michigan and Florida aren't having re-do primaries.Why didn't he endorse Obama before the Texas primary,where he could have helped with the latino vote?I think we ALL know the answers to that.If Michigan and Florida's votes had counted,Richardson would have endorsed Hillary.But,I am glad he has shown his true character,because there is no way Hillary would have him on her ticket.I have not given up on Hillary.There are many states left to vote,including my home state of Kentucky.And I know that Hillary will win here because she has a tremendous amount of support,from all democrat's both young and old.As for the comment left by Paul J.Nolan who said that Hillary will pack a "whooping" by Obama in Pennsylvania apparentley he hasn't seen the latest polls which show Hillary ahead by 13 points.Pennsylvania is a state with the same blue collar voters as Ohio,we all saw who took the "whooping" there,and it wasn't Hillary.If Omama is our democrat nominee he will be sorry in the general election for ignoring the blue collar/30,000.00 a year income voters.As much as I want a democrat to win the white house,if Hillary isn't the nominee,I just don't see it happening.All the republican's can say about her,is about Bill's affair which is NOT Hillary's fault.But the republican's will throw the book at Obama for refusing to "disown" Rev.Wright,and for his wife's comments about never being proud of this country till now.Hillary is our only hope!!Wake up America,before it's too late. Go Hillary!!

Posted by: kentuckygirl4hillary | March 23, 2008 6:31 PM

Pennsylvannia, North Carolina, Indiana, Kentucky, Guam, Oregon, Puerto Rico, Montana and South Dakota and McCain voters want to know about Huma Abedin and Hillary Clinton.

Help us learn the truth Washington Post about the 12 year "relationship" between Huma and Hillary.

Google and YouTube have a lot of information on Huma and Hillary.

Washington Post, tell us the truth.

Posted by: Huma Huma | March 23, 2008 6:31 PM

Oh, my god, the Hillary people are LOSING their minds, not just the election! Facts? What are facts? Logic? We don't need no stinkin' logic!

Eat Obama's dust!

And have a Happy Easter from your favorite Deluded Judas Kool-Aid-drinking HUSSEIN Man-Love Desperate Jealous Reverse-racist guy who just loves watching you guys squirm so much it hurts to laugh any more!

LMFAO!

Posted by: rippermccord | March 23, 2008 6:32 PM

The Clinton staff and supporters all need to chew on a pack of orbitz every 5 mins because the stench that comes out of their mouths is beyond me. Because they don't get their way we must all perish! They sound more and more like the far right of the most right-winger. They regurgitate any and everything the craziest of the right-wingers say. They are ready to sell the entire party for absolutely nothing. I hope the wool comes off their heads come the general election because it will be beyond pathetic. These people are sorry. They are threating to vote for senile McCain, the same candidate the republicans are unwilling to vote for. Maybe they'd be the only ones voting for McCain. They can do what they please, I'm just sick of their stupid tantrums!

Posted by: Viva Obama | March 23, 2008 6:32 PM

Hello? Isn't this election about how to handle the economy and the terrorists? Why is this suddenly about racial redemption? Thats ALL Obama's candidacy has brought to this election.

And an atmosphere of FEAR...among the journalists - to ask Obama really tough questions -because they dont want to be labelled racists.

Is THIS America wants for the next 4 years? a muzzled and docile press? I'm hardly a fan of W.J.Clinton, but if theyre making HIM loook like a racist, what wont they do to any random journalist/politician who dares to question President Obama?

WAKE UP AMERICA...this is not the time for "redemption" ..by voting a totally green black guy into the presidency, because he doesn't talk like OTHER black folks. This is PURE racism...admiring the "whiteness" of Obama, is what all this obamamania is.


The terrorists are targeting ALL of us. Not just white/black/yellow/brown.

STOP the obsession with race and vote for McCain. He's liberal enough to be a democrat anyway. And yes he has an adopted child from the Indian subcontinent (for you redemption-oriented lefties). Would you call HIM a racist?

Posted by: Typical Person | March 23, 2008 6:32 PM

I once thought I'd do anything to get Bill close to the Oval Office again, but Hillary's win at any cost beliefs have turned me off. My money and vote have gone to Obama. Hillary, you have a lot of strengths. Now is the time use them to make sure the spend-spend-spend Republicans stop driving our country in the ground

Posted by: Nick | March 23, 2008 6:32 PM

If you look at the two campaigns (Hillary & Obama's) it might give you a preview of how they would run the country. People may disagree about whose responsible for the negative tenor but what about effective organization and efficiency with our donated dollars?

This says something for Obama.

Posted by: ellenmae | March 23, 2008 6:35 PM

Dunkin' Donuts Clinton supporters need to learn how to spell, learn to get their facts right, and stop using CAPS LOCK key to express their points. Just because your arguments are in capital letters doesn't make it right, and it betrays your lack of maturity and intelligence.

Posted by: Joe Canadian | March 23, 2008 6:35 PM


"Drag a hundred dollar bills through a trailer park and there is no telling what you will find"?

That was the great James Carville dissing Paula Jones, the Ark. state employee who then Gov. Clinton solicited for oral sex.

Now we have the same hack back at it. Carville is the face of the Clinton disfunction, all caring on the outside, but arrogant and snide on the inside.

Richardson is no Judas. Paula Jones was telling the truth and it turns out it was Carville who was chasing the cash.

Go Obama!

Posted by: jfp | March 23, 2008 6:35 PM

Ole Bill should fit right in there with the Obama liars. He has stated that superdelegates should vote however their state voted. Didn't NM vote Hillary. Oh I forgot. when you become an Obama supporter you can say anything you want but it doesn't mean what you say. Like "for the first time in my adult life, I'm proud of my country" didn't really mean she wasn't proud before. Bill or Hillary say factual things with nothing to do with race but they meant racial. How can Obama's "fairy tale"stance on the war be racism? Yet me being "typical white" is not racial. What's sad is that millions of Dem voters support this bonehead.

Posted by: bnw173 | March 23, 2008 6:35 PM

Fred --

I strongly agree with your comment, since its one I wrote, and you posted it withtout attribution.

How about actually crediting me next time?

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 6:36 PM

ditto....I think alot of people are having buyers' remorse. The media did not do their job. If he becomes president it's because they didn't do their jobs and he denied Florida and Michigan a say (and the cost the dems the race). He's not different at all. If anything...he's worse! If racial issues were so important to him....why are we just hearing about it from him? Why hasn't he taken steps earlier to help resolve the issues and why when his back was against the wall did her decide race was an issue.....? Politics, that's why! We know all about Britney.....but the media couldn't get information out about Barack Obama. We loose with this guy!

Posted by: kevin | March 23, 2008 6:36 PM

I have to apologize to the reasonable group of Clinton supporters who have refrained from slurs (and I know they do exist) but to the rest my comments above apply.

Posted by: Viva Obama | March 23, 2008 6:37 PM

Looking for a sign that your candidate is destined for the White House? Go no further than Rasmussen Reports daily presidential tracking poll, which today offers nuggets of hope to every candidate left in the race.

For Hillary Clinton: A one-point lead among Democrats nationwide over Barack Obama. That's within the margin of error, but it's also part of a small but clear trend in her direction over the last week.

Posted by: Fred | March 23, 2008 6:37 PM

Would have expected better judgment from a former ambassador and a foreign relations expert. If he was swayed by the eloquent speech, then this is the ultimate in the racial divide.

Posted by: sam_2131 | March 23, 2008 6:38 PM

In response to what Gov Rendell said, if Hillary was the best candidate she would be winning. Pretty simple stuff.

But instead of winning, Hillary continues to spread this garbage about how much national security experience she has.

You know, she had to sprint across the tarmac in Bosnia. It was so dangerous, the President sent his wife, his daughter, a comedian and a singer. It was so dangerous on that tarmac that the video of her landing that day shows her kissing a little girl in a greeting ceremony. I guess the sniper fire she talked about came before the ceremony, or maybe she was under fire but showed such courage to stop first for a quick photo-op.

Posted by: edzo2 | March 23, 2008 6:38 PM


I find it patheric how Obama supporters keep using and wanting a double standard for Obama.

Don't you feel he can win on his own merits?

Why the double standard...why the need for a handicap?

Posted by: Chula | March 23, 2008 6:38 PM

I strongly doubt Clinton's judgment and motivations. She only stood by her man because she had already planned to run for the white house. And I'm also concerned by the fact that many women are voting for Clinton because they feel that a woman should finally be president and that therefore she is entitled to the presidency.

Posted by: barry kumar | March 23, 2008 6:39 PM

To CB:

And what about the many lies told by the Clintons. And the Hillary lies continues. Oh, I guess you only focus on one side when convenient. He did not lie, and he can stand up and admit when he makes mistakes. Something Hillary has not and will never do.

Posted by: Vette | March 23, 2008 6:39 PM

President Barrack Obama! Yeah! Hilary showed her craven desperation when she went to Florida for a "victory" party. Hilary's team makes KKKarl Rove smell sweet by comparison.

Posted by: Dave | March 23, 2008 6:40 PM

If Obama brings the same "change" to America that he brought to the slums in his district in Chicago, we'll all freeze to death.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 6:40 PM

svreader: I saw the post but did not remember who posted it. I apologize and freely admit that it was your post. I just liked it so much I couldn't resist.

Posted by: Fred | March 23, 2008 6:40 PM

Obama is: a fraud, a liar, a manipulator, a racist, a political hack, a weakling, and he is unpatriotic as well.
I will never support him for president if he's the Dem's nominee. I will vote for McCain, because the truth is, although I have never voted for a Republican in my life, the thought of Obama (and his unpatriotic wife) being in the White House truly sickens me.

Posted by: toni | March 23, 2008 6:40 PM

If Richardson had endorsed Clinton, there wouldn't be all this Obama/Richardson bashing. Clinton bloggers are upset and can't read the writing on the wall.

Posted by: Joe Canadian | March 23, 2008 6:40 PM

to add, democrats are a bunch of dim-witted, selfish, jealous liars. They are no good compared to the republicans who are way more faithful and loyal. I am seriously considering voting for McCain, after I voted for Kerry in 2004. That was my mistake to have voted for him, an anti-war loser. It turned out, those democrats liberals are more concerned about their political careers than about the good of this country. Rchardson, kerry, and kennedy thought they would get a cabinet post if obama gets elected. what kind of selfish people they are! dream on....McCain will whip your a$$ in november.

Posted by: tony | March 23, 2008 6:41 PM

Thanks Fred!!!

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 6:41 PM

An anonymous person posted this:

"rippermccord

I see you use the OBAMA WAY tactics of ...if they disagree attack them personally."

Excuse me, I had to LMFAO.

You (whoever you are) are lecturing Obama supporters about the politics of personal destruction? When the whole Rev. Wright controversy tars Obama with the perceived sins of his pastor and widens the racial divide just to peel off white voters for Hillary's coronation?

You, whose companions regularly ascribe the names in my previous post and many others to Obama supporters?

You, an avowed fan of a Bush/Clinton, Bush/Clinton dynasty?

Oh, that's rich. That is so rich. That's Hillar -y-ous!!!

Posted by: rippermccord | March 23, 2008 6:41 PM

"Bush Clinton, Bush Clinton, what about the rest of us" is a great line by Richardson. I agree. Aren't we a democracy? We left ruling families behind when we severed from England, 2 centuries ago. People who like Billary need to wake up from their stony sleep. Get a move on and join with the Progressive forces of today, don't vote for Ruling Families!

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 6:42 PM

"Bush Clinton, Bush Clinton, what about the rest of us" is a great line by Richardson. I agree. Aren't we a democracy? We left ruling families behind when we severed from England, 2 centuries ago. People who like Billary need to wake up from their stony sleep. Get a move on and join with the Progressive forces of today, don't vote for Ruling Families!

Posted by: lumpy1 | March 23, 2008 6:42 PM

Billary is like the GOP with those tactics. If she win I will vote for Mc Bush it as close my faith allow to suicide.Hillary if she win does would be a cheap win and she wont win the presidency because she no like her and she seem uncaring. Also Black culture and belief does not have be thd same as other race to be respectable. We are the youngest race if I am mistaken and with little to no history.I have no idea of the breeding practices of slave owner have had on are race.Seek understanding!

Posted by: american frist | March 23, 2008 6:43 PM

Dear Bill Richardson,

By endorsing Obama, you made the right call for the democratic party and for America...

Under Bill Clinton's presidency, the democrats lost the house, the senat and many other legistlative seats. His presidency was plagued with violations to ethic codes:

- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- First president to be held in contempt of court
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
- First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court

Before he left office, he gave favors in exchange of money... For example, shortly after beeing pardonned by President Clinton, fugitive financier Marc Rich had his ex-wife giving $400 000 to the Clintons library foundation: Source:
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,98756,00.html

Since then, he is in much bigger suspicious money deals ... The Clinton foundation received recently a $31.3 million donation after Bill expressed enthusiastic support for the Kazakh leader's, undercuting both American foreign policy and sharp criticism of Kazakhstan's poor human rights: Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html

Bill and Hillary Clinton would be the target of many attacks by the republicans if Hillary is nominated. And if the superdelegates go against the elected delegates, as a retaliation, several democratic voters will give the presidency, the senat and the house to the republicans.

Posted by: Logan | March 23, 2008 6:43 PM

Joe --

We can read the writing on the wall.

It says

"I'm freezing to death in here!!!
"Csn somebody get me some heat????"

Signed,

Corpsicles for Obama

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 6:44 PM

Really now, folks, you actually think the blips you're hearing on the "news" about Wright is the whole story? Go to Youtube and watch an *entire* sermon, particularly the one where he quotes the *white* ambassador from the US who talked on Fox News about our "chickens coming home to roost." To hear the "news" tell it, that was an original quote from Wright. But if you take the time to investigate rather than being spoon fed your beliefs, you will see you are being manipulated. And what about McCain's crackpot preacher Hagee, and Clinton's involvement in "the Fellowship"? Seems like neither of these three can throw stones, but the media chooses to blast Obama for Wright? OH PLEASE.

Posted by: Oh Please | March 23, 2008 6:44 PM

To: Typical White Persons

From: Typical White Person

Re: Obama's Fraud on the American Public and his fat opportunistic traitor peyote chewing sidekick Richardson

VERY VERY EXCELLENT RESPONSES HERE! As a dyed in the wool Dem., FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE, I WILL FORCE MY HAND TO VOTE FOR A REPUBLICAN-MCCAIN- IF OBAMA IS THE DEM. CANDIDATE-AND BE QUITE HAPPY TO DO SO!

AT LEAST WITH MCCAIN I WON'T HAVE TO EVER QUESTION HIS PATRIOTISM AND LOVE FOR HIS COUNTRY, (despite Obama's cheesy 8 flag-lecture/speech to the "typical white persons" out there, where he ended his lecture by saying "god bless America" for the first time ever-yeah Obama, you finally got around to saying that, NOW, ON THE RUN, gee, how VERY OPPORTUNISTIC OF YOU!)/

LOVE OF COUNTRY DEPENDENT ON WHAT NEW BLACK PANTHER PARTY MEMBERS THINK, AND/OR HIS WIFE MICHELLE OBAMA-A NBPP MEMBER IF EVER I SAW ONE!

LOVE OF COUNTRY AND BEING PATRIOTIC IS SOMETHING MORE THAN JUST MOUTHING THE WORDS AND STANDING BY A FLAG OBAMA, IN SOME CHEAP OPPORTUNISTIC MOMENT OF PANDERING TO THE PUBLIC! IT'S ALSO NOT DEPENDENT ON VOTING FOR YOU, AS YOUR LECTURING WIFE INFORMS US! BUT I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO GRASP THAT, SINCE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH DEPTH AND PERSPECTIVE ON YOUR OR YOUR WIFE'S PART-YOU'RE TOO CLOUDED BY REV. WRIGHT'S HATE SPEECH ALL THESE YEARS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS.

AS FOR RICHARDSON, THAT LOSER COULDN'T EVEN CARRY HIS OWN STATE, MUCH LESS PERSUADE ANYBODY ELSE TO VOTE FOR OBAMA-AND HIS TREACHERY TO THE CLINTONS IS REALLY REALLY A TURN-OFF! HE SHOULD THINK ABOUT THAT CAREFULLY IN THE MONTHS AHEAD, BECAUSE HIS FUTURE POLITICAL CAREER WILL BE EXACTLY ZERO-WHICH FITS HIS CHARACTER EXACTLY!

THE SUPERDELEGATES WOULD BE CRAZY CRAZY CRAZY TO PUT OBAMA IN AS THE DEM. CANDIDATE-BUT IF THEY DO, THE DEMS. NEED TO BE PREPARED TO LOSE, BECAUSE MILLIONS OF DEMS ACROSS THE COUNTRY WON'T BE VOTING DEMOCRATIC-MOST AMERICANS AREN'T OBAMA KOOL-AID DRINKER-CULTISTS-THE RANK AND FILE AMERICAN CAN SPOT A FAKE AND A FRAUD A MILE AWAY, AND OBAMA'S GIG IS UP!

Posted by: FARFALLE44 | March 23, 2008 6:45 PM

Oh how funny that sleazy fat slob loser
phony Hispanic Racist Bill "Judas" Richardson,the original Race Card Player
of 2008,"Did I Tell You That I'm Hispanic"
and new Black Racist Conman Barack Obama
buddy is whining about Hillary Clinton's
aides,after all the Clinton's have done
for this pathetic screw up Richardson no
less. So Barack Hussein Obama if this is
the best you can do,pal is run out a total
village idiot loser like Bill Richardson
to defend you after you and your weirdo
wife Michelle Obama and your Pastor Wright
were exposed as Racists then that shows
just exactly how desperate Obama is now.

Posted by: Sherry Kay 2004 | March 23, 2008 05:00 PM

Richardson is full of crap. With friends like him, who needs enemies. Back stabbin bastard. Does he really think Obama is going to pick a two faced jerk as his running mate? He's proved his disloyalty, only an idiot would trust him now.

Posted by: JR | March 23, 2008 05:41 PM

Bill Richardson is Judas

Obama is a fraud. All those who believe his "words" are idealistic idiots

Obama should win the dem nomination and be thrashed by McCain in Nov

Posted by: NOWAYOBAMA | March 23, 2008 03:18 PM

Richardson is the Dog that bit the hand that fed him. As he now begs for scraps from the Obama table, why would Obama ever trust a Judas as Richardson has revealed himself to be. When Hillary wins her campaign and receives the 2008 Democratic nomination, the name of Obama and Richardson will join the ranks of Rev. Wright, Ron Paul, and Ralph Nader... just a 15 second blip in the Political radar. Does anyone in their right mind believe that an African American with a "hate whitey" agenda will ever be ALLOWED to be elected as President of the United States?

Posted by: vote Hillary 08 | March 23, 2008 04:47 PM

Jesus -- Happy Easter, posters. Are you people for real? This actually explains a lot of the Obama hate on these posts, 'cause if you guys can turn on a dime and savage Bill Richardson, a man the Clinton's wooed mightily for his endorsement, who came to Sen. Clinton's defense during the debates and has not said or done anything to trash the Clintons until now, it sure explains the rabidly vile response to Sen. Obama daring to interfere with the Clintons' expected ascension to the third term they obviously believed they deserved. Amazing ... and ugly, beyond ugly. This is the reason I decided at the beginning of this process to support someone other than the Clintons -- I didn't want to return to the muck and mire of the '90s. This situation would be a lot different if there was a map Mrs. Clinton could follow to win the nomination based on primary results; hell, she can't even catch up to Sen. Obama based on upcoming elections, only by savaging him to convince Super Delegates to abandon the leader in delegates, votes and states. Regardless, people please stop spewing this hate speech -- it does none of us any good. Excuse me ... after rolling Easter eggs I gotta go take a shower.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 6:45 PM


The only way to fix this whole Democrat situation..is to have a NATIONWIDE RE-VOTE!

Hold the elections on the same day and let the chips fall where they may. The person with the most votes wins!

It is the only way to keep the Democratic party in tact.

Posted by: chula | March 23, 2008 6:45 PM

Once again Clinton has called out the attack dogs like Carville because she can't possibly campaign and win on her credentials. We see every day that she has overstated her experience, she attacks anyone who disagrees with her and she gets her cronies to do the same. Not the kind of leader America needs right now and she's only making sure McCain wins in the fall. Give it up Hillary, you will not only lose, but you will make sure your name in Democratic politics goes down in infamy to join your husband's. Gov. Richardson would have been called a saint by you if he'd endorsed you, but luckily he has shown common sense. Yet another one of the former Clinton cabal comes out of the closet to call things as they are when you work with them.

Posted by: ExFan | March 23, 2008 6:45 PM

Govenor Richardson is a looser. Vote with your state....unless you are an Obama supporter. Hillary won NM and Gov. Richardson voted Obama. (Do as I say not as I do.) In the debates, Richardson said Obama lacked experience, now he suddenly has it! Richardson said he decided once he heard the speech...now we find out he decided two weeks ago! He aired his dirty laundry by stating that the phone call to Hillary got heated...even if it did, he's was wrong to say anything...no class there!! When you do things like that it comes back on you in a big way....it will!!! Why are you so afraid for Hillary to keep going....are we going to find out more things about Senator Obama?? Me thinks yes...me thinks alot more damage has been done than you know!!! Me thinks the republicans will bring Obama down!!

Posted by: connie | March 23, 2008 6:46 PM

Again, please stop using CAPS LOCK. It makes you look like the idiot you are.

Posted by: Joe Canadian | March 23, 2008 6:47 PM

I agree with Gov. Richardson -- it's time for the party to come together behind a candidate, so we can all put this divisive primary season behind us and focus on turning this country back in a positive direction in 2009. Pretty much any way you cut it, Obama is the obvious choice to back at this point.

Posted by: c | March 23, 2008 6:47 PM

It appears that Bill Richardson has a very different definition of "loyalty" than I do. He sold Hillary out.

If a speech by Obama, intended to mislead people about the racist rantings of his pastor, was enough to sway Richardson - then I for one do not think very highly of his judgement.

I have to add that Obama's campaign is just as dirty as any other campaign. Except his is the only one that pretends to practice a different types of politics.

Posted by: Mark | March 23, 2008 6:47 PM

Heaven forbid if we Bill Clinton again. All the bad things he did are

1) Balanced the budget
2) Created 23 million jobs
3) Moved more people from poverty to middle class
4) Middle class income actually went up
5) US most respected country in the world
6) Won Kosovo war with international cooperation and without loosing a single American life

Who wants all that when we we can hate Clinton's?


Posted by: Cerebral | March 23, 2008 6:48 PM

When the cowboys and Arabs draw down
on each other at noon
in the cool dusty air of the city boardroom,
will you stand by a passive spectator
of the market dictators?
Will you discreetly withdraw
with your ear pressed to the boardroom door
Will you hear when the lion within you roars
or will you take to the hills?

Posted by: patrick | March 23, 2008 6:48 PM

IN HONOR OF THE POOR WHO FROZE TO DEATH IN OBAMA'S SLUMS:

Chicago
Graham Nash
So your brother's bound and gagged
And they chained him to a chair,
Won't you please come to Chicago
Just to sing.
In a land that's known as freedom,
How can such a thing be fair?
Won't you please come to Chicago
For the help that we can bring.

We can change the World.
Rearrange the World.
It's dying
to get better.

Politicians sit yourselves down,
There's nothing for you here.
Won't you please come to Chicago
For a ride.
Don't ask Jack to help you
Cause he'll turn the other ear.
Won't you please come to Chicago
Or else join the other side.

We can change / yes we can change the World.
Rearrange / rearrange the World.
It's dying / do you believe in justice?
It's dying / and if you believe in freedom.
It's dying / Let a man live his own life.
It's dying / Rules and regulations who needs them?
Open up the door.

Somehow people must be free,
I hope the day comes soon.
Won't you please come to Chicago,
To show you face.
From the bottom of the ocean
To the mountains of the Moon.
Won't you please come to Chicago
No one else can take your place.

We can change / yes we can change the World.
Rearrange / rearrange the World.
It's dying / If you believe in justice.
It's dying / and if you believe in freedom.
It's dying / Let a man live his own life.
It's dying / Rules and regulations, who needs them?
Open up the door.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 6:48 PM


If you feel a need to scold the anti-Obama posts....then you should include all the lunatic anti-Hillary posts as well.

Don't pull that Happy Easter...let's get all along bit and then focus all your negative energy on one candidate.

Posted by: chula | March 23, 2008 6:49 PM

Cerebal, 'BILL' Clinton did those things, not Hillary.

Posted by: Joe Canadian | March 23, 2008 6:50 PM

I finally watched the full "God D*** America" sermon yesterday, and found myself getting very angry. Not at the fiery pastor, or Obama, but at a willfully dishonest media that has essentially taken the line out of context. Well, I guess Fox did, but then the rest of the bunch just lazily came along for the ride (hey, any furor to sell papers).

Wright spent the first 99% of the sermon enumerating how some American GOVERNMENTS (administrations) have been decent (Lincoln, Clinton, Truman to some extent I gather), but most have been harmful to African Americans. It's very clear to me that *this* is what he was "damning" -- not the intrinsic country. All those American Legion Hall members in rural PA think they've been dissed, and they haven't even been.

So all I can think today is: "God D*** our useless media". Have you actually watched the whole video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvMbeVQj6Lw&feature=related

Posted by: B2O2 | March 23, 2008 6:50 PM

I'd like to see Clinton supporters list any specific incidents of Obama sinking to gutter politics rather than just ranting and raving.

Posted by: rcm | March 23, 2008 6:50 PM

Who is going to tell Bill that it's over???? Hillary is done. It's time the Democratic Party put a stop to the ridiculous charade that this is a close race and she can still win.

Posted by: Lilly | March 23, 2008 6:50 PM

Adios, Hillary!

Posted by: rippermccord | March 23, 2008 6:51 PM

TO ALL YOU HYPOCRITES CURLED UP IN FETAL POSITION HURTING DEEPLY AT THE "TYPICAL WHITE PERSON" REMARK:

Obama's grandmother is a typical white person of her generation. Born in pre-1930, raised with absolute certainty about white superiority in America. She's not a bad person, she's capable of loving a person of color with all her heart but, she is who she is with the failings of occasionally slipping back into that mindset. No matter how much you rant and rave, there is nothing particularly controversial, unkind or divisive about that. It's simply true.

Wright is a typical black person born and raised to adulthood in the Vietnam era. He served his country with honor in Vietnam and was welcomed back with racism. His unproductive, divisive anger has never gone away, just like the anger of whites offended by affirmative action and job discrimination for sins they did not commit.

Many young people of all races and religions, an overwhelming majority in fact, have heard their parents say racist things at the dinner table. Their parents heard their own parents say even more extreme things. It gets a little better as we go along. Clipping quotes into conveniently misleading and divisive de-contextualized sound-bites to serve your campaign purposes does not change reality.

You're all still in denial. Vote for McCain if you want but it doesn't change the fact that as generations go on, America gets less and less racist. That's the good news in all of this.

Posted by: asja | March 23, 2008 6:52 PM

Bill Clinton should quit any attempt to campaign for his wife. It is not going to be successful, as these attempts work, like bumerang right now, and simply dishonor him and her campaign. He should sit quiet and do his best to convince her to step out of the race, and the sooner-the better. Her time is over. Nobody really wants old, deeply hated by a lot of people, woman without real political skills, as the president. Bill Clinton should stop disgracing himself and simply shut up.

Posted by: aepelbaum | March 23, 2008 6:53 PM

It's like playing in the sandbox. The Clinton supporters acting like children.
Richardson is bad! He endorses Obama. Pfui.
Redall is good! He endorses HRC, well done
Kennedy is bad,
Kerry is bad,
Carter will be bad
Gore will be bad
Pelosi will be bad
Edwards will be bad
Lewis is already bad
at the end, only a few guys of her clique will be staying by her, including Billy, I think.
If Fl and Mich will not re-vote, let's start from the beginning once again.
Votemixing untill HRC is the winner. And than we all fight against McCain.
Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton-Jebb Bush-and than, instaed of Chelsea, Bill once again.
Dear me, are there only a handfull of brains in the whole US? Looks like.

Posted by: sieweke | March 23, 2008 6:54 PM

I love Hillary...but if she tries to tell me to vote Obama...I cannot. He will forever be linked in my mind by "G** D*** American" and "e deserved 9/11"(five days after it happened)...I read challenges to hear the rest of Wright's sermon....NO THANKS I have heard more of his hatred than I care to hear. Why would someone like that even stay in America...LEAVE!! As for Richardson, he always struck me as trying to be "cool"...problem is he's part of the "uncool" generation....he won't be part of any cleansing of the old...he is the old!!!! With his beard he looks like he's going through "the change" or something!!

Posted by: cb | March 23, 2008 6:55 PM

Obama supporters, please stop apologizing for him.


Senator Obama, there is NO apologizing for belonging to THAT church and having THAT pastor as a mentor, friend, uncle or whatever for 20 years. There is NO excuse for saying you cannot disown him no more than you can disown the black community, then implying that your white grandmother is a racist. There is NO excuse for refusing to leave that church. There is NO excuse for not apologizing to the American people for Wright's remarks. There is NO excuse for calling your grandmother "a typical white person". There is NO excuse for taking your innocent children to THAT church. There is NO excuse for your wife's comments. And finally, there is NO excuse for your speech which blamed Rev Wright's racism and anti-Americanism on me.

A Typical White Person

Posted by: Fed Up | March 23, 2008 6:55 PM

To those who say they "saw the whole video": No matter how Obama and his lapdog press want to spin Rev. Wright's story, he made terrible and anti-American statements. Moreover, the whole basis of the so-called theology of his church is racist. The "theology" that Wright teaches at his church is nothing like Christianity as most people understand it. The brand of theology which Wright has been teaching Obama and the others at his church is called "black liberation theology." Wright admits this and it is stated on the church's website. Black theology is based upon the premise of the white oppressor against the black oppressed. This is why, for example, that Wright refers to Jesus as black, and his killers as white. This is the only way the story of Jesus fits within this brand of "theology." Rev. Wright cites James Cone, another proponent of black liberation theology, as his theological inspiration. Here are just a couple of James Cone's quotes: (1) "To be Christian is to be one of those whom God has chosen. God has chosen black people." (2) "While it is true that blacks do hate whites, black hatred is not racism." (3) "All white men are responsible for white oppression." (4) "Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man "the devil." (5) "If there is any contemporary meaning of the Antichrist, the white church seems to be a manifestation of it." (6) "Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love." *** These teachings are fundamentally racist and divisive. Obama has chosen to belong to this racist church for 20 years, and now because of exposure by the press, he tries to fool the American public once again.

Posted by: Fred | March 23, 2008 6:56 PM

Why would Bill Clinton need to say that Sen. Obama was unpatriotic? Mrs. Obama already said that she was 'ashamed' of the United States. If she were Hillary, that statement would have been said to be tatooed on Bill's bottom as truth of his true feelings.

Obama is naive and egotistical about his abilities and Richardson is a snake in the grass. The two of them deserve each other but Hillary deserves our votes from Michigan and Florida.

Personally, I would like to understand more fully what most of the media has to gain by electing Obama to office without the benefit of allowing the American people to actually vote first.

Why the outrage and mockery when Hillary says that she has a firm understanding of diplomacy? Didn't she accompany her husband to foreign countries as our representative? Wasn't that part of her job as First Lady?

Husbands and wives are normally confidants. Hillary is a smart, curious woman who would naturally be interested in her husband's job and his ideas; what better teacher than her husband, a seasoned politician and statesman?

Bill Clinton's flaws are personal, not professional, and even then, Hillary has proven herself loyal and dependable in her support for him in the most despairing times.

Michelle Obama also belongs to the church that her husband attends; it is difficult to imagine Hillary sitting through a church service with a minister spewing hate.

I cannot believe that her loyalty toward Bill would supercede her loyalty towards, us, the Americans that she has chosen represent and serve. ALL of us.

Posted by: Abby | March 23, 2008 6:56 PM

why are Clinton supports so dumb?

Posted by: Joe Canadian | March 23, 2008 6:56 PM

Govenor Richardson is a looser. Vote with your state....unless you are an Obama supporter. Hillary won NM and Gov. Richardson voted Obama. (Do as I say not as I do.) In the debates, Richardson said Obama lacked experience, now he suddenly has it! Richardson said he decided once he heard the speech...now we find out he decided two weeks ago! He aired his dirty laundry by stating that the phone call to Hillary got heated...even if it did, he's was wrong to say anything...no class there!! When you do things like that it comes back on you in a big way....it will!!! Why are you so afraid for Hillary to keep going....are we going to find out more things about Senator Obama?? Me thinks yes...me thinks alot more damage has been done than you know!!! Me thinks the republicans will bring Obama down!

Connie your comments were right on target.

This is typical of the Obama campaign and its supporters. They say one thing and do another. Obama claims walks around fooling them saying he is going to unite us all, we are all the same, we deserve better. Then on the weekends he sneaks away to a church where the pastor promotes Division, Hatred towards White Americans, Hatred towards America....he insinuates the people of 911 deserved what they got.

I think Obama just wants Hillary to quit before more information regarding Wright and the American Terrorist Mr. Ayers comes out!

Well America wants Hillary to stay....at least we know what kind of church she goes to...it ain't Pastor Wrights!

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 6:57 PM

Election '08, the gift that just keeps on giving. You go, Dems!

Posted by: SukieTawdry | March 23, 2008 6:58 PM

Do any Democrats really believe that Hillary Clinton will win the nomination? Hillary will not have an advantage in pledged delegates, states won, or the popular vote after the voting is completed. How does this end without going to the convention? Does she expect there to be a surge of superdelegate support?

Posted by: Steve | March 23, 2008 6:59 PM

Ha! Richardson is right....we need a new generation......he's the old generation. He's so yesterday!!!

Posted by: jkml | March 23, 2008 6:59 PM

Republicans said it over and over and I didn't believe it. Bill and Hillary will resort to anything to get the nomination.

Looks like Morris went to the same Atwater school of political sh*t slinging as Karl Rove.

Posted by: Roy | March 23, 2008 6:59 PM

Chris Dodd, John Kerry, Edward Kennedy, Bill Richardson.......hopefully Joe Biden and John Edwards. What else do the Clintonians want more than these great names of the Democratic Party?

Posted by: Joan | March 23, 2008 7:02 PM

I will say this... just because you don't like Obama doesn't make Hillary the logical choice.

All I can say is that Hillary must be very special. She can get a southern redneck to vote for a black man from Chicago. She is bringing the races together in a way that I didn't believe possible.

Posted by: Ombudsman | March 23, 2008 7:02 PM

If anyone wants to know how America could select Bush over Gore, then Bush again after a dreadful first four years, all they have to do is read the comments in this blog.

Politics by lies and name-calling.

Whether you agree with him or not, Richardson has every right to endorse whomever he believes is best for the country. He's been a great public servant in the past and I hope he remains so in the future.

And for those of you who say you'll vote for McCain if your candidate (Hillary or Barack) isn't eventually selected, be my guest. You probably voted for President Bush four years ago and have been complaining ever since. You make your own bed.

Posted by: amaikovich | March 23, 2008 7:03 PM

I'm proud of Governor Richardson. Despite the Clintons using their Jedi mind tricks on Hispanic voters and insinuating that Hispanics wouldn't vote for an African-African, Governor Richardson proved that he has a mind of his own.

It was obvious how the Clintons really feel about Hispanic voters when Mark Penn was quick to dismiss and minimize Richardson's endorsement.

Posted by: Enrique | March 23, 2008 7:04 PM

"Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton practice "gutter" politics and that they feel entitled to the presidency..."

Richardson was MADE by Clinton.

Reminder: He was a Yahoo Congressman from Tumbleweed NM and was brought into UN Ambassador post...a cabinet position,
and Energy Secretary by those he chose to defame as practicing gutter politics.

Just WHAT part of this eludes you? Is it his lack of character? Is it his hypocricy? Is it his trustworthiness? Is it his honesty? Is it his selfishness?

Of course, he has reasons...too much Clinton and bad politics.
And you can't see throught this?

Here's what you are going to get, children: You are going to get another George McGovern candidate (now I admire Sen. McG. and voted for him...but the parallels are obvious and the conclusion apparent) in Obama. Obama will lose the centrist Democrat votes and the Republican swing votes to McCain. And we will have Pres. McCain.

Only a blinded, cognitively obscured and naive individual could miss this one.

It ain't rocket science to figure it out.

Posted by: jatox | March 23, 2008 7:04 PM

svreader: You have contacts. Check on this and tell us about Huma Abedin and her "friend" Hillary. You can use the same sources who helped you find all that info on Obama. Do your research. We are waiting.

Posted by: Huma Huma | March 23, 2008 7:05 PM

TO ALL YOU HYPOCRITES CURLED UP IN FETAL POSITION HURTING DEEPLY AT THE "TYPICAL WHITE PERSON" REMARK:

Obama's grandmother is a typical white person of her generation. Born in pre-1930, raised with absolute certainty about white superiority in America. She's not a bad person, she's capable of loving a person of color with all her heart but, she is who she is with the failings of occasionally slipping back into that mindset. No matter how much you rant and rave, there is nothing particularly controversial, unkind or divisive about that. It's simply true.

Wright is a typical black person born and raised to adulthood in the Vietnam era. He served his country with honor in Vietnam and was welcomed back with racism. His unproductive, divisive anger has never gone away, just like the anger of whites offended by affirmative action and job discrimination for sins they did not commit.

Many young people of all races and religions, an overwhelming majority in fact, have heard their parents say racist things at the dinner table. Their parents heard their own parents say even more extreme things. It gets a little better as we go along. Clipping quotes into conveniently misleading and divisive de-contextualized sound-bites to serve your campaign purposes does not change reality.

You're all still in denial. Vote for McCain if you want but it doesn't change the fact that as generations go on, America gets less and less racist. That's the good news in all of this.

You don't have to vote for Obama to start fighting racism. You can be Republican and fight racism, you can be Democrat and deny racism exists. Obama stood there without any campaign logos to give that speech for a reason. He wasn't asking for your vote; he was asking you to think and confront the reality of race relations in America.

African American slaves went to church under trees far, far away from their masters to get hope and inspiration. The church was the place where they were free to speak out in ways they couldn't while at work. That is the history of black churches in America. If their experience then was so different from their "Christian" slave masters, how could their desire for theology that reflected their own experience be racist, particularly when juxtaposed against those who didn't consider them equally human?

White people should be less afraid of being accused of being racist and more willing to say, "hey, maybe I too have biases that I need to work on." Same applies to black people, we need to realize that we are racist too in the way we exploit our victim status and needlessly mistrust white people who mean well. Those are important first steps that rise above this BS of hypocritical outrage.

Posted by: asja | March 23, 2008 7:07 PM

Folks,

4 years of president obama will essentially be a (self) MUZZLING of the press.

The Kid-glove treatment will continue into the foreseeable future.

If you detest Clinton, vote for Nader. IF you're "neutral" then vote for McCain. He isnt a typical whit..I mean a typical right wing hardliner.

WAKE UP.

Posted by: WAKE UP | March 23, 2008 7:07 PM

Obama gets many cons and who have flowered under clinton.

Richardson thinks he will be VP with Obama.

I loose respect for obama with every passing day.

He has nothing except borrowed words from Dr. King and Keennedy and others like them.


Posted by: Shawn | March 23, 2008 7:08 PM

Richardson has seen the light - that Obama will win and that the democratic in fighting has to stop. The Clinton's reaction to Richardson is telling - the name calling and indignation at independent thought shown by Clinton cronies should give all Clinton supporters pause.

Say what you want about either candidate they may well bring each other down (although I think Clinton will try to help Obama lose out of spite if she doesn't get the nomination) but if you ask me the guy that has really helped us get to the divisive point we are now is John Edwards - He hasn't come out and backed either candidate and he has enough popular weight that his endorsement would have the Psychological gravitas to shift a majority of support to whoever he endorsed. By waiting to side with one or the other - he has helped snuff out the chances of the Democrats recovering the White House.

Posted by: Jumpin John | March 23, 2008 7:09 PM


I can just see the Republican ads

WAR HERO vs. SENATOR WHO DEFENDS ANTI-AMERICAN PROPOGANDA

WAR HERO VS. SENATOR WHO DEFENDS PASTOR WHO BELIEVES 911 VICTIMS DESERVED IT.

Posted by: chula | March 23, 2008 7:09 PM

If one heard Bill Clinton's latest remarks concerning the patriotism of John McCain and Hillary Clinton, and that they would make great opponents, one can only assume he was saying that Obama (by ommission in that statement) is not patriotic; That, is mud-slinging at its lowest level. I am now able to see the Clintons in a way I never thought possible, but Truth is often "ugly", and the Clintons have shown their ugly selves.

Posted by: Amy | March 23, 2008 7:11 PM

IN HONOR OF THE POOR WHO FROZE TO DEATH IN OBAMA'S SLUMS:
OBAMA'S SLUMS by "W.P. Svreader"
Based on Chicago by Graham Nash

So your voters froze to death,
And they found us in your slums,
Won't the press come to Chicago
Just to see,
In a land that's known as freedom,
How can such a thing be fair?
Won't the press come to Chicago
So their souls can finally rest?.
You say change the World.
Rearrange the World.
We're dying
You give us words..
Politicians act like clowns,
Give you nothing but hot air
You used us in Chicago.
For your pride.
Don't ask Obama to help you
Cause he'll turn the other ear.
Won't the press come to Chicago
To see his other side?
He says change the World.
Rearrange / rearrange the World.
We're dying / do you believe in justice?
We're dying / and we have no freedom.
We're dying / We have a right to llive!
You say -- Rules and regulations who needs them?
Open up the door.
Our souls must be set free,
I hope the day comes soon.
Obama come back to Chicago,
:Let the world see your real face.
From the bottom of the ocean
To the mountains of the Moon.
Barry come back to Chicago
You're a traitor to your race!.
You say change / yes we can change the World.
Rearrange / rearrange the World.
We're dying / We demand our justice
We're dying / You don't deserve your freedom.
We're dying / We have a right to life..
You say -- Rules and regulations, who needs them?
Open up the door.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 7:11 PM

Who ever that McPeak guy he spoke as Obama looked on.

These are very negative campaign.

If obama is the nominee i will support John he has credivbility, stands up for what is right (NO PRESENT votes). This guy is a completely air.

Posted by: Derrick | March 23, 2008 7:11 PM

I'm not worried about John McCain. When it comes to affiliations with controversial religious leaders, McCain has not shortage of them. With a war that is once again deteriorating and an American economy that is sinking by the day, John McCain's promise to continue Bush/Cheney policies will sink him.

Posted by: Enrique | March 23, 2008 7:13 PM

I'm not worried about John McCain. When it comes to affiliations with controversial religious leaders, McCain has no shortage of them. With a war that is once again deteriorating and an American economy that is sinking by the day, John McCain's promise to continue Bush/Cheney policies will sink him.

Posted by: Enrique | March 23, 2008 7:13 PM

The Clintons do not, have not and will not pull people together. One has a choice and only one. Follow ! all else is betrayal. This from a man who betrayed the trust of all Americans while president. Sex with an intern in the Oval office while his wife is upstairs. A man of honor.. Sad

Posted by: Pax Dominus | March 23, 2008 7:13 PM

seems like Richardson is a gutter politician...


it also seems like he's a shrewd judge of character,

since he's being paid to support obama, by some right wing conservatives....

yeah, you can always trust the Hillary haters to have repulsive scammer backing....looks like they promised richardson a place atthe inauguration of Mitt Romney, once mccain falls.

.

Posted by: hello | March 23, 2008 7:14 PM

Bill Richardson demonstrated a lot of courage by supporting Obama. He knew he'd come under fire. But he did it anyway.

And I couldn't disagree more with Pennsylvania Gov. Edward Rendell. He said that he believes Democrats are mostly concerned about winning. I'm a Democrat, and that's not all I'm concerned about. Should Hillary win the nomination, sadly I feel compelled to vote for McCain. I had my fill with eight years of a Clinton white house a few years ago.

I think Obama will clinch the Democratic nomination, and I don't think there is much equivocation on that point. At this juncture, it is just a lot of wistful and wishful thinking on the Clinton's part to believe she has a real chance when the chips are all down.

Posted by: LanceZ | March 23, 2008 7:14 PM

Obama is brilliant and will reach out to the slime masters of the planet and try to "manage them up" by giving them the ounce of respect that they want on the world stage. Even Chavez and the Iranian hijacker president will be hard pressed not to give sincere concessions to a new U.S. president whose multiracial countenance shows the world that we are a good and just society, which those scumbags elsewhere should emulate. Sometimes you have to stop beating the child and instead, invite them to sup at the high table with the rest of the grown-ups. Hillary cant do that....hell she cant even sniff out strange puss on her husband's breath. McCain looks like he is about 100 years old and the onset of his Alzheimers disease will coincide with Inauguration day...forget him now: he will not be a healthy choice for president. Vote for Obama. All of the democrats need to unite now. Don't let old Bill Clinton screw us again!

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 7:14 PM

ASJA

Sorry but you are so WRONG...there is no way you can defend the use of biggoted remarks like "typical white person".

If you add this statement to the statements also made by Obamas wife...about not being proud to America and America being mean...along with the racist and anti-white, anti-american views, you finally get a clear picture about what Obama thinks fo America and it's people.

It's not a pretty picture...maybe that's why he never left that church because he believes in their views.

Americans will not vote for anyone that defends hatred and racism.

We're better than that! So we will say no to Obama in November no matter how you try to spin it!

Posted by: Chula | March 23, 2008 7:15 PM

Nome of them are who I really want, So, once again, I guess I have to vote for the one who won't screw me the most.
A Military veteran,, who gave you a lot of year's of freedon.

Posted by: joebald | March 23, 2008 7:16 PM

Loyalty is the hallmark of the Bush Administration. Disagreement was the cause of expulsion from the inner circle. The results of loyalty is a group of sycophants blithely following their leader down all sorts of false paths.

Richardson did the right thing by supporting the person he felt would be best for America. There is a higher loyalty which doesn't depend on returning favors and doesn't lead to "me too-ism."

Posted by: svand | March 23, 2008 7:16 PM

The OBAMA snow job is right. Why did Michelle Obama get a $200,000 raise/promotion from her employer when her husband became senator?

I think if this had happened to Bill Clinton it would be thoroughly questioned.

Obama then earmarked $1 million for her employer -University of Chicago Hospital--which was not granted by the senate.

This raise and its timing would rub MANY Americans the wrong way.

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.c...FiMTlhYmRhN2Y=

Posted by: mark | March 23, 2008 7:17 PM

The OBAMA snow job is right. Why did Michelle Obama get a $200,000 raise/promotion from her employer when her husband became senator?

I think if this had happened to Bill Clinton it would be thoroughly questioned.

Obama then earmarked $1 million for her employer -University of Chicago Hospital--which was not granted by the senate.

This raise and its timing would rub MANY Americans the wrong way.

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.c...FiMTlhYmRhN2Y=

Posted by: mark | March 23, 2008 7:17 PM

ASJA-I hate to tell you this, but you're not very well informed, like your guru Obama, about the "typical white person" remark -when Obama threw his white grandmother under the bus. You see, the idea that women, black OR white can be afraid of black men that they see behind them at night IS NEITHER ILLOCAL NOR RACIST NOR AN OUTDATED BELIEF, IT HAPPENS TO BE A STATISTICAL FACT THAT BLACK YOUTHS HAVE A GREATER PERCENTAGE OF BLACK ON WHITE, AND BLACK ON BLACK CRIME, AND PARTICULARLY IN HIGH CRIME NEIGHBORHOODS.

Apparently, you don't remember what the Rev. Jesse Jackson said a few years back, and he got into a lot of trouble with the black community about it. He said that he was walking the Chicago streets one night, and became apprehensive as he was aware that a group of male youths were behind him, but when he turned and saw they were WHITE BOYS, HE WAS NO LONGER AFRAID. He used that honest example to open a dialogue on young black men and race, and he took a great deal of flak from the black community for his honesty-an honesty that Obama would never dare to show!

Instead, Obama needed a crutch to get out of the Rev. Wright controversy, so he exploits his poor white grandmother's views, which are shared by many women and men, black AND white-particularly those who live in high-crime neighborhoods, as a racist "typical white persons" view of her age group, and disingenuously equates his grandmother's "view" with his relationship with Rev. Wright! It would be laughable if it wasn't so serious-but it was breathtaking in its dishonesty and opportunism! Obama is DISGUSTING, ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING TO ME-THE MAN EXHIBITS ZERO LEADERSHIP SKILLS AND ZERO CHARACTER.

Posted by: FARFALLE44 | March 23, 2008 7:17 PM

Bravo Bill Richardson, you supported your nation over Hillary.

Obama is clearly the better candidate notwithstanding the recent Hillary surge because of her campaigns desperate struggle to survive by going very negative attacks on Obama.

However the people who think Hillary would be a better candidate should realize that in a McCain Hillary matchup, McCain would destroy Hillary because of her huge past baggage because unlike Obama, the Republican lie machine will swifboat Hillary's pretty white rear straight back to New York, an ugly sight for sure.

Hillary should stop feeling bitter about losing and support Obama because despite what she thinks she does not have a entitlement to be the first woman President, no matter how many times she may have practiced her Presedential inauguration address in front of a mirror since she was a little girl, please give it up Hillary,.....its all over.

Posted by: Rick Shaw | March 23, 2008 7:17 PM

I'm amazed there are posters here who don't know how to spell the word "lose" or "loser". How astute!

Posted by: patrick | March 23, 2008 7:18 PM

All you Clintonistas keep accusing Obama of having a Messiah complex. What do you do with Carville's comments comparing Richardson with Judas?

Posted by: tom | March 23, 2008 7:18 PM

sounds like the repulsive scammers are still out in force pretending to be


the bama backers.

the reality is, the bama is all show, with no core values....for all of his rhetoric...


he is the guy that comes into the job interview and doesn't answer questions about


the work that the project requires. He talks in generalities, addressing generics...


there are no generics to address. the United States is held in stasis by very specific things....none of them having to do with color.


everyone would have a future if everyone had a job of worth. period...


old steel mill jobs paid a good salary with some retirement benefits...


Billy Joel and Bruce Springsteen have been singing about the plight of disenfranchised laborer for some time now.


w/o laborers doctors and lawyers don't have jobs either.


HILLARY CLINTON has a clear eye to cast on the situation.


The only ones to say otherwise are INSIDER WASHINGTON politicians...


hired by Halliburton, AEI, Bechtel, KBR, DYNCORP, CACI, Blackwater, the Petroleum INSTITUTE, Carlyle Group, drug traffickers, and those on the

war profiteering dole...

their lives depend upon you not electing Hillary Clinton,

YOUR LIVES depend upon you electing HILLARY CLINTON, and the knowledgeable people she will bring in.


Make a difference in your lives, attempt to understand the difference between sugar, and real food...


.

Posted by: hello | March 23, 2008 7:18 PM

The betrayal of Governor Richardson to the Latin Community is unforgiveable, we as a group have supported Senator Clinton by overwhelming numbers, in his lack of wisdom the governor has failed to see that under an Obama administration we will be consider just an other minority, I can assure you we are not! And what's more we don't consider ourselves one!
I urge the Latin Community to support Senator Clinton now more than ever; our support for her will not be forgotten. Senator Clinton is the only candidate ready to take charge from day one.
Obama will never be an advocate for the Latin Community; he will be involved with the likes of Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright and others to see anything else.

Wake up America.

Posted by: A. Moreno | March 23, 2008 7:18 PM

"I know a lot of Hillary supporters who are not running their mouths about it,"

Never met one yet. They're dumb, but loud!

Posted by: tom | March 23, 2008 7:21 PM

By his endorsement of sen. Obama, gov. Richardson has proved to be a true patriot and loyal citizen the United States. He has chosen collective interests over personal benefits. He has chosen to serve America, as opposed to serving personal friendships. And his patriotic act could not have come at a better time. It came at "Passover" (Pass over, Passing over), which is a time during which we are called to sacrifice ourselves for others. Gov. Richardson has sacrificed his Clinton-related personal interests, be they actual or potential, in order to help achieve the highest common good for all Americans. Shouldn't each son and daughter of this Country applaude him?

Posted by: Roland | March 23, 2008 7:21 PM

It's interesting how many Obama supporters on this post are calling Clinton supporters "dumb," "ignorant" and "uneducated," etc. Those kinds of comments from the Obama folks certainly are reflective of the people supporting Obama AND the candidate himself. I'm an educated person that is voting for Clinton in November ... or McCain if by some unfortunate circumstance Obama succeeds in stealing the Democratic nomination.

Posted by: mo897 | March 23, 2008 7:22 PM

Hillary is a miserable liar. Vote for her now tomorrow she will throw you under the train and follow her lobbyst

Posted by: McDon Dickson | March 23, 2008 7:23 PM

In the very unlikely event that Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee, she simply cannot be elected (even though she would be running against a former man). She can't win because she, Bill and, at their direction, other members of her campaign, have said things about Barack Obama that will not be forgiven by a large number of voters. These are the same voters who originally would have glady accepted Clinton or Obama.

Unfortunately, the people she has appealed to through divisive techniques are now more likely to vote for John "100 More Years of War" McCain than for Clinton. Clinton is playing a dangerous game -- and she's losing. So are the American people.

Posted by: Gardenia | March 23, 2008 7:24 PM

In the very unlikely event that Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee, she simply cannot be elected (even though she would be running against a former man). She can't win because she, Bill and, at their direction, other members of her campaign, have said things about Barack Obama that will not be forgiven by a large number of voters. These are the same voters who originally would have glady accepted Clinton or Obama.

Unfortunately, the people she has appealed to through divisive techniques are now more likely to vote for John "100 More Years of War" McCain than for Clinton. Clinton is playing a dangerous game -- and she's losing. So are the American people.

Posted by: Gardenia | March 23, 2008 7:25 PM

"Too bad - I don't think Hillary is entitled, but she is a far more electable person than Obama."

Except for the fact that she's behind by any measure you want to count....

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 7:25 PM

I hope Clinton wins the nomination and the Presidency just so that traitors like Richardson can end up in the toilet where they belong. He made some kind of deal with Obama, sold himself to the highest bidder. Loyalty to the people who made you what you are is soooo last century.

Posted by: Traitor | March 23, 2008 7:25 PM

Svreader - given that you post the same thing over and over (and over and over) again, copying is hardly a charge you should throw around. Congratulations for lowering the general level of discourse.

In regards to your post planning to leave the Democratic party if Clinton loses, please do so with all speed. You've done more to damage the Democratic party than any number of right wingnuts.

BB

Posted by: Fairlington Blade | March 23, 2008 7:26 PM

Republicans playing with themselves again.

Posted by: ONEFREEMAN | March 23, 2008 7:26 PM

So I question what good will the idiotic
endorsement of conartist Barack Obama by
the biggest phony fat slob loser in the
Democratic Party Bill Richardson, the
Hispanic Racist at this late date,since
the reality is Barack Hussein Obama has
Imploded and his 2008 Democratic Presidential Campaign is toast...And which
all the Obamabotmanic Cult cannot accept
yet and it only shows how desperate Obama
and Company are after all Obams's phony
masks and lying pretty words distraction
exposed Barack Obama for the fraud and liar
and sleazy crook and racist con man that
Barack Obama really is as well.

Posted by: Claudine | March 23, 2008 7:26 PM

Is it true that Hillary was using Chelsea and the 8-year-old Bosnian girl [see the wire service photo] as human shields against the sniper fire she reported at Tuzla?

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 7:27 PM

What is the above comment talking about?? We will have a riot if Obama is not elected....Where did that come from??
Concerned Voter..Already tired of all the rhetoric..

Posted by: Southern Voter | March 23, 2008 7:28 PM

Prejudice exists within every human being, between siblings, blacks, whites, browns, yellows, rich, poors, intelligents, stupids, beautifuls , urglies and etc. That is an issue we have to deal with it. We can not get rid of if but can make it less servere by education. Race has been and will be a factor in our society. Slavery and the mistreament towards blacks are facts but they were in the past. Look at the success of the blacks in all areas especially in education and politics , who can deny the effort of the governments in helping the blacks to be where they are? In the old time, Chinese workers were not allowed to associate with locals. They had to live undergound to avoid being shot at by some crazy white men who just did not like their look. They were angry,of course, but they did not let that resentment destroy them. They have improve themselves by working hard and be self efficent. I do not know why the blacks still use slavery as excuses for many of their problems. Get over it. Rev. Wright has no excuse to make those awfull remarks about the goverment. Mr. Obama has portrayed himself as a person who can make good judgement but the more I know about him the more I find him unbelievable. He's not qualified to be a leader of The U.S.A.
Mr. Richardson's endorsement is the same as Mr. Kennedy's and Kerry's. No effect whatsoever.

Posted by: hong | March 23, 2008 7:29 PM

FARFALLE44 ,
As a matter of fact, I absolutely agree with you that you are more likely to be harmed by an African American youth than a white youth. There is nothing racist or offensive about that statement.

Obama first mentioned his complex relationship with his grandmother on race 13 years ago in his first book, Dreams of My Father. If you have no time to read it, it's available on iTunes for $15.95. The notion that he threw his grandmother under a bus is a popular response to his speech, but groundless.

Black parents, even with the little they had, could and should have done a better job raising their kids over the last 40 years. America, despite its flaws, is still the best place in the world to be born black. Affirmative action, if it should exist at all, should not be race-based, but class-based.

I am, by no means an Obamabot, I am trying to communicate that there is too much hypocrisy and inconsistency in the way people look at the world on both sides to move forward. People are stuck labeling and point-scoring. When there are possibly more black men of college age in prison than there are in college, you have to look beyond racism for a credible explanation for that. When there are more black heart surgeons than black NBA stars, you have to look beyond affirmative action for that. This is a complex matter and it doesn't help to start with hypocritical offense at remarks that are simply true, no matter how much they hurt.


Posted by: asja | March 23, 2008 7:31 PM

To Gary and all the other Obama-haters (overt and covert): Don't get mad, get SMART...

PS: Enjoy your gonad sandwich.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 7:31 PM

Prejudice exists within every human being, between siblings, blacks, whites, browns, yellows, rich, poors, intelligents, stupids, beautifuls , urglies and etc. That is an issue we have to deal with it. We can not get rid of if but can make it less servere by education. Race has been and will be a factor in our society. Slavery and the mistreament towards blacks are facts but they were in the past. Look at the success of the blacks in all areas especially in education and politics , who can deny the effort of the governments in helping the blacks to be where they are? In the old time, Chinese workers were not allowed to associate with locals. They had to live undergound to avoid being shot at by some crazy white men who just did not like their look. They were angry,of course, but they did not let that resentment destroy them. They have improved themselves by working hard and be self efficent. I do not know why the blacks still use slavery as excuses for many of their problems. Get over it. Rev. Wright has no excuse to make those awfull remarks about the goverment. Mr. Obama has portrayed himself as a person who can make good judgement but the more I know about him the more I find him unbelievable. He's not qualified to be a leader of The U.S.A.
Mr. Richardson's endorsement is the same as Mr. Kennedy's and Kerry's. No effect whatsoever.

Posted by: hong | March 23, 2008 7:31 PM

To Gary and all the other Obama-haters (overt and covert): Don't get mad, get SMART...

PS: Enjoy your gonad sandwich.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 7:31 PM

A house divided cannot stand.
(you know who)

Posted by: AnimociTeeze | March 23, 2008 7:33 PM

Being a foreigner I am allowed to ask silly quastions I hope?

Wouldn`t it be valuable and fair to "combe through" the two (Clintons and Obamas) senator-schedules and compare what they have brought about in different matters.

The future in the World is very uncertain and I think that the candidates in some way have to prove their ablility to meet unexpected challenges. In my opinion you have to have a president who acts with the solution as the main focus och is prepared to desist from her/his personal opinions/ideals if that serves the solution.

Inflexibility and rigidity can, in my opinion, counteract solutions. Thus, which one of the two candidates is most suitable in those respects?
European

Posted by: George | March 23, 2008 7:33 PM

Although Richardson may not come out and ask you Hillary Rodham Clinton, your constituency will - please step down. It has been made clear that your only path now to the nomination would literally involve a majority of the Super-Delegates to go against the political winds of change and overturn the delegate vote. Think carefully about what this means to you, if not our Democratic Party. Do you want to be remembered as the primary destructive force responsible for tearing apart this Democratic Party? You have the window to bow out gracefully with dignity in tact. Fact is, if you are successful with SD's - you literally won't win in November if our party is destroyed in the process. I am a working class middle-aged white voter that is in full support of Democratic principles, but the truth is - both of your stances are virtually identical on all the issues. Any differences in implementation are not going to generate a delegate difference great enough for you to catch up. As it stands, the only option you really have left, is to spit on fellow Democratic Party members to boost your own appearance and its making ALL OF US LOOK BAD. Please step down, before this gets any worse so w can all move forward and heal.

Voters in PA need to take a hard look at both campaigns here for the Democrats from a very real standpoint. Voters need to ask themselves some very important questions and be honest with themselves about their answers.

1. Which campaign has demonstrated the organization, leadership, inspirational motivation, overwhelming grassroots growth, and consistency of message since Iowa?

2. With content of character being at the very core of Democratic values, which campaign is truly committed to genuine transparency, advocating full disclosure of any and all monetary sources (ie. where did a spare $5,000,000 come from?)

3. Which candidate is truly less polarizing and has the greatest ability to reach across party lines in Congress to actually get things done in Washington?

4. As a Democratic voter, does it matter if one campaign destroys another with all out negativity, essentially arming Republicans with damaging political ammo and a more likely victory for Republicans in November? (While it may be fair, is it ethical?)

5. Which candidate offers the clearest contrast to the current administration appealing to the overwhelming sentiment that where we are is not where we want to be?

6. While it doesn't necessarily affect the political process here in the U.S. - does it matter to you that there is overwhelming International support for one of these candidates and do you think that this support might ultimately strengthen the U.S. alliances worldwide?

Open, honest answers to these questions should help decide what our country says to world as the largest free Democracy.

It should be noted that most of the entire country had no idea who Barack Obama was 1 year ago and looking over the growth and support graphs over the past few months should be a clear indicator as to where the U.S. wants to go.

Posted by: StraightShooter | March 23, 2008 7:33 PM

You tell 'em, Bill Richardson.

The Clintonistas tried everything they could to get your endorsement.. and you told them to go jump in a lake.

Good for you. You'll make a great VP.


Obama '08!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 7:33 PM

To Gary and all the other Obama-haters (overt and covert): Don't get mad, get SMART...

PS: Enjoy your gonad sandwich.

Posted by: Ntlekt | March 23, 2008 7:34 PM

I am Judas Richardson and I approve this message.

Posted by: kenn | March 23, 2008 7:34 PM

To Gary and all the other Obama-haters (overt and covert): Don't get mad, get SMART...

PS: Enjoy your gonad sandwich.

Posted by: Ntlekt | March 23, 2008 7:34 PM

To Gary and all the other Obama-haters (overt and covert): Don't get mad, get SMART...

PS: Enjoy your gonad sandwich.

Posted by: Ntlekt | March 23, 2008 7:34 PM

Richardson is a traitor. Ragardless what he said and how people feel about him.This guy betrays his good friends.

Posted by: Peter | March 23, 2008 7:34 PM

"Too bad - I don't think Hillary is entitled, but she is a far more electable person than Obama."

Except for the fact that she's behind by any measure you want to count....

Uh, Anonymous 7:25pm, you don't know what you're talking about, I'm afraid: CLINTON IS NOT BEHIND WHERE IT COUNTS THE MOST-THE SUPERDELEGATE COUNT

AP Wire Services:

Independent website RealClearPolitics.com puts the superdelegate count at 248 for Clinton and 213 for Obama as of Sunday.

Posted by: FARFALLE44 | March 23, 2008 7:34 PM

The Clintons need to go. I've had enough of their nonsense as well as the Bushes - who are a just plain evil. All the way with Obama!

Posted by: Yuri Lipitzmeof | March 23, 2008 7:35 PM

HERE IS A QUESTION I HAVE YET TO HAVE ANSWERED BY AN OBAMA SUPPORTER: If Hillary had been going to a "white centered" church for 20 years; the fundamental theology of the church was one of white versus black; the pastor of the church often made racist remarks against blacks; the pastor of the church gave David Duke a lifetime achievement award; and Hillary considered this pastor her "mentor and spiritual adviser"; would you give her the pass that you are giving Obama. I doubt you could answer this question honestly, so I'll tell you what would happen: The righteous indignation of Obama and the media would rise up, the demand would be made that Hillary withdraw from the nomination process immediately, and Hillary's political career would be over, period.

Posted by: Fairlington Blade | March 23, 2008 7:35 PM

Richardson Let down Latinos - Snake Snake Snake Snake Snake. Another This time it is Cheney's cousin and Richardson

Posted by: Clint | March 23, 2008 7:36 PM

change, change, give me some changes.

so I took out 50 cents and handed to him

Posted by: kenn | March 23, 2008 7:37 PM

Mr. Rendell

Stop the lies tight NOW!!

Hillary did NOT win FL or MI, and she didn't win TX, either. Check the results.

You demean yourself and your candidate with these preposterous claims.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 7:39 PM

Asja,

If you KNEW the crime statistics, "white" folks would fear "white" folks more than they fear "black" folks.

FYI from fbi crime stats:

10 million crimes in US
7+ million committed by "white"
2+ million committed by "blacks"

80%+ "whites" killed by "whites"
80%+ "blacks" killed by "blacks"

Murders are commited by people that know each other over 90% of the time.

Random killings are rare.

Speak the truth.

Posted by: ONEFREEMAN | March 23, 2008 7:39 PM

Come on, chula, do you know arithmetic?
18% of voters are African American, and Obama would have 100% of their votes. If he takes Richardson on the ticket, and it would be very vice , as Richardson has more of needed experience than anyone else in this initial presidential race, this ticket would get 33% more of American voters, who are Hispanic voters. I am white intelligent woman and I would ick up Obama over McCain or especially Hillary any time. there are more than enough intelligent whites, like me of both genders to create 10% more of american voters Obama would need to win with more that 50 % of casted for him votes. This is the real thing , and the end of the discussion of his electability in general election. Obama/richardson in 2008. Clinton step down, fat, ugly dummy! Enough is enough!

Posted by: aepelbaum | March 23, 2008 7:40 PM

in CHANGE we believe

Yes! we can

so I took out 50 cents from my backpocket to handed to him

Posted by: kenn | March 23, 2008 7:40 PM

"They [the Clintons] think they have a sense of entitlement to the presidency."

I would say that Clinton is entitled to run as long as the race is this historically close and there is a chance she can win.

It seems to me that the Obama supporters who are attempting to bully, verbally abuse and shame her into dropping out are the ones who seem to have a sense of entitlement.

Posted by: Annette | March 23, 2008 7:41 PM

Dear Asja,
I am not a hypocritical 'typical white person' hurting deeply by Obama's remarks.

I am offended because my family actually fought to free the slaves. I have a personal, handwritten account written by my ancestor who felt so strongly against slavery that he joined the Union Army at age 14.

I curled up in a fetal position when I was mugged by two African American men when I was walking to work.

I am tempted to curl up into a fetal position when I read words written by people like you who shout and rant about racism.

Are you someone who also believes that because a slave owner that I have no relation to was brutal, that I deserved to be hit and knocked down for the few dollars that I earned as a waitress?

I don't blame an entire race for a couple of jerks, so why do you? If you can paint us all with a racist brush, why can't you paint us all with good since my great-something grandfather risked his life to help slaves? His mother must have cried buckets of tears worrying about him just as your ancestors cried in despair.

Does God judge our tears differently?

People who shout and belittle perpetuate racism. Nobody is perfect, we all have our fears; justified or not but standing on your self-righteous soapbox will not help.

Posted by: Abby | March 23, 2008 7:41 PM

So Asja, the fact that your boy Obama opportunistically used THAT particular comment to show that his white grandmother was 1. a "typical white person" and 2. racist is, what, okay by you? Because that's what he did, in a very demeaning, disingenuous and opportunistic way. It only happened because he was cornered, and when Obama is cornered, he turns into one mean and nasty SOB-like when he tried to twist Hillary's innocuous statement about Martin Luther King, calling it "racist" -even Sen. Charles Rangel told Obama he was being "ridiculous!" Oh no, the fraudster Obama NEVER engages in the politics of destruction-hell, he's inventing the term as he goes along!

Posted by: FARFALLE44 | March 23, 2008 7:41 PM

Bill Richardson coming out and calling for Hillary to drop out of the race is a well-orchestrated move by the DNC to prevent them from having to decide the nomination at the convention. They have already discounted the votes of FL and MI. They know Obama's campaign is in freefall. Hillary will make a strong showing the in the next primaries and will come quite close to Obama's counts. The will of the people will clearly be in Hillary's favor, but the delegates will have to put Hillary over the top. They don't want to be seen as disenfranchising the black vote. (Who cares about the female vote???) They'd rather have her drop out now even though voters are clamoring for answers from the Obama camp.

Obama managed to get himself labeled the "positive" candidate, then didn't allow the press on his plane or bus. Would the media have put up with this from any other candidate? How is this encouraging transparency? He managed to spin everything anyone else said as racist. Who knew fairytale was a racist word? How have we forgotten that it was another Clinton who started this race on dialogue with his Initiative on Race in 1997 and who, by choice, has his office in Harlem. The same Bill Clinton who was just flinging mud--real mud, in New Orleans as he works to rebuild. I'm not saying these are Hillary's acts--I'm saying that Obama is not the first one to 'courageously' face the race question. He faced it as he had with every other issue--only when he couldn't outrun it any longer. He faced the race discussion when it was beneficial to him. It was Hillary, not Obama, who attended the Black State of the Union to talk about race. Obama was too busy campaigning. Obama has done everything he can to stop talking about race since his speech, except to pause long enough to pigeon-hole more than half of America with his 'typical white person' remark. He HAS made as many negative remarks as Clinton--the press has babied him, though, to the point that these revelations come so late that he may well win the primary, but he will lose the general election.

Neither of these candidates will have enough delegates to win. Why can't we let the process play out? Why are the Obama supporters so adamant that Hillary quit--are they afraid of what the next few primaries will show?

Posted by: KOR | March 23, 2008 7:41 PM

Why did Bill Clinton make the "two patriotic Americans" (meaning Hillary and McCain) comment?

Could it be that he is sensing that Hillary is not going to get the nomination and Obama is not going to take her as a running mate?

Is the road to the White House for Hillary through John McCain with Hillary as his running mate in the name of bipartisanship?

Prepostrous?

Posted by: An Academic | March 23, 2008 7:42 PM


HOW SMART ARE HILLARY's Backers here, talkingabout fat?

Have you seen the CANDIDATE...FAT HILLARY waddle on up the steps at campaign stops? I do daily. Now, there's a big ugly butt.
And her chipmonk cheeks and wrinkles! Wnanna watch that grow older, screaming???

Richardson, is, by the way, a highly respected super delegate. Several others are epected to follow his lead this WEEK.

And as long as we're doing ethnic here, maybe we could talk about big, long hook noses. 0r constant sneers by the arrogant hated.

Posted by: WORLDLY | March 23, 2008 7:42 PM

Richardson sold at the border - let down the latinos - Snake Snake - Snake Snake - Work out a deal from himself

Posted by: Clint | March 23, 2008 7:42 PM

I can't beleive that so many Democrats are writing that they would rather "switch" than "fight" for our country. These types of comments are silly. Who in their right mind would ask for more pain, more lies, more deception by continuing down the darl path after the 8 years of degredation courtesy of the current administration? What kind of self-hate-speak is this?

Posted by: Leroy C. | March 23, 2008 7:43 PM

I am Judas Richardson and I approve this message.

Posted by: kenn | March 23, 2008 7:44 PM

Chula:

I have always loved my country, I have not always been proud of it. I was not proud of slavery and all the discrimination that was in the country's laws not allowing women the vote etc. etc.. I am not proud of the country's international standing in Iraq, where the strategy has failed. That doesn't mean that I'm not a patriot who would die for this country.

There is absolutely nothing unpatriotic about not feeling proud of you country all the time. There is something patriotic about standing up and disagreeing when the country you love strays from its true path.

Again, if you would like to spend your energy debating the english language while paying $4 for gas and leaving festering wounds of division unresolved for another 3 generations, go ahead.

You don't have to vote for Obama to change America, listen to what all the candidates say, vote your choice and play your part in making America a better place. It's more important to be "for" something good than against someone. Don't lie to yourself that a president is going to change everything if you and your neighbors do nothing about the state of politics in America today.

Posted by: asja | March 23, 2008 7:44 PM


The Clinton's care about as much for the Democratic party as a tick cares on whose body it lands. Win at any cost is not the motto of someone trying to unite the country it is the motto of a parasite using the country to satisfy their self rightousness and we've gone through eight years of that we don't need more nor do we need dynasties I am a lefty but I cannot vote for Clinton though I will vote for the underticket just because I think this country needs more than bush clinto bush clinton, it needs a reality check and a democrat who thinks moreof the party than their ownb ambition and to have an exdemocratic president who isn't an adulterer and a liar plus a Democrat who stands up for real Democratic principles something billary doesn't get.

Posted by: henry | March 23, 2008 7:44 PM

Note to David G: For years I have waited to see the word "troglodyte" used in a sentence. Thanks for making my day, and for providing an apt description of 90 per cent of the posts here. I'm reading the posts not so much for enlightenment as for the ineptitude that borders on the comedic. Heaven help us if these contributors are actually registered voters!


Posted by: SootyC | March 23, 2008 7:44 PM

Gov Richardson a Judas? Wow! Who was that guy who was watching Superbowl with the Judas? The High Priest?

You tried everything,the Hispanic-friendly card to the loyalty card, too woo the Judas. When everything failed, Gov Richardson's endorsement of Barak Obama is now deemed betrayal. Do we taste sour grapes here?(!).

The truth of the matter is, the real colors of the Clintons are being revealed day after day. Their dirty politics - win by any means strategy - are there for all to see, Gov Richardson included. It didn't take him too long to see the gutter politics employed by the Clintons to achieve their selfish goal.

While the Clintons are chipping away the national support for the Democratic Party, Senator Obama is doing all his best to win more and more voters to the party. There in lies the difference.

Gov Richardson hit the bull's eye when he concluded who is an asset and who is the liability to the Democratic Party. Rightfully so, party interest took priority to personal friendship. If that is an act of betrayal, so be it.

Clintons come and Clintons go. They are not an institute, but the Democratic Party is. Gov Richardson, the party faithfuls salute you, Sir, for your unwavering loyalty to Democratic party.

Posted by: John Santiago | March 23, 2008 7:44 PM

As a McCain supporter, I have to say, this set of comments is hillarious. Democrats are so comical. The Republicans nominate McCain and yet it is the Dems who come out divided?

Hey Carville, if BR is Judas, which Clinton is Jesus?

Posted by: John M | March 23, 2008 7:45 PM

When Obama lowers the speed limit to 55, which in turn will create an oil Glut, lowering the price of gas to $1.25,
you will be kissing his,
well, you know were this is going........

If Bush wasn't bought and paid for,
he might grow a pair do this.

Even Bill's old lady probably would,
To bad she's not going to get the chance.

Posted by: Ken | March 23, 2008 7:45 PM

TROOOOLLS in the comments... Why does the Wash. Post attract such name-calling illiterates? Words is bad, we hates them that talks good. Crawl over to FOX"News".

Posted by: Angela | March 23, 2008 7:45 PM

Randall,

Actually, most of my posts are about Obama's Slums.

Why do Obama's supporters keep trying to drive other posters off these boards?

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 04:19 PM
*********************************
Actually, the boards are for intelligent discussions , svretard. Maybe that is why sooooooooooooo many people wished you would go download your porn - I mean - save your so-called silicon valley company and leave this to folks who don't rely on right wing wacko sites for their news.

Posted by: LABC | March 23, 2008 7:46 PM

LeroyC-

That's just republicans playing with themselves. That's not democrats.

Posted by: ONEFREEMAN | March 23, 2008 7:47 PM

oh please make this last -i love to see this EVIL couple in misery. Clinton cant WIN -there are so many people -myself included, that will vote for anyone but hillary -YES I WOULD EVEN VOTE FOR CHENEY!!!

Posted by: makethislast | March 23, 2008 7:47 PM

Bill Richardson is right to back Obama and may add a crucial voice in calling out the Clintons on their politics of power and fear. Sen. Obama is far from a perfect candidate but those who have been drawn to his campaign see a combination of integrity, intellect and wisdon that any good president needs. Of course as is always in politics he sometimes "has it both ways," but he does not engage in the "Politics of Personal Destruction" a tactic, ironically, the Clintons so decried in the 90's.

I also am tired of the sense of entitlement that the Clinton's seem to have about the presidency. I ask all to keep in mind that under their leadership, despite a good economy and relative peace, the democrats lost both houses of congress and loss numerous state houses and governorships. They did not inspire a resurgence of a new democratic majority, but mostly dodged and weaved through conflict and of course, the largest scandal of all, the Monica Lewinski affair.

Time to turn the page.

Posted by: MAS | March 23, 2008 7:47 PM

man you winers think that the world has very little respect for the USA now. Elect Hillary Clinton and see the backlash round the world. You are loved everywhere compared with the hatred that will come you way with this woman as your leader.
some writers are right the two candidates are so busy tearing each other a new A-hole (sorry hillary bill will have to find another hole to crawl into) that they have lost sight of what is best for the country.

May god protect us all.

Posted by: anthony | March 23, 2008 7:47 PM

I am Barack Hussein Osama Bin Laden and I approve this message.

Posted by: mcbird2008 | March 23, 2008 7:48 PM

Don't any of Obama's Supporters care about the poor who died in Obama's Slums?

Hypocrites are the worst kind of people.

Barry's the biggest hypocrite of them all.

America's finally waking up.

He belongs in Jail.

Poor People of all colors suffered and died for Barry's EGO in Obama's Slums!!!

Will they ever get any justice?

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 7:48 PM

Fairlington: As I stated earlier today, Hillary Clinton's career would be over if she had merely uttered the words "typical black person" in talking about an issue in the black community, immediately-she would be out of the race, and maybe out of her job as Senator. On the other hand, Obama can use those words talking about his white GRANDMOTHER, for god's sakes, and people hardly blink!

ONLY OBAMA IS PERMITTED TO BE RACIST, -INSULTING AND ENGAGE IN THE POLITICS OF DESTRUCTION-ONLY HE GETS A FREE PASS, AND HE'S GIVEN A FREE PASS BY THE MEDIA AND HIS BECAUSE HE'S BLACK, PURELY AND SIMPLY.

Posted by: FARFALLE44 | March 23, 2008 7:49 PM

I love the slant of this article, by the way. Not "Clinton campaign sees Richardson as traitor", but "Richardson says Clinton campaign practices gutter politics" for calling him a traitor, which he most certainly is. Feeding the stereotypes to sell a few papers, are we?

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 7:49 PM

Bill Richardson: statesman, American, patriot. Thank you for standing for your convictions and for the good of the Democratic Party.

Posted by: Meldupree | March 23, 2008 7:50 PM

John McCain did serve his country well. It's a pity that the policies that he embraces would destroy the country that he loves. While we continue to love precious lives in this needless war and sink billions of our dollars in Iraq, China, India, and Russia are building roads, bridges, trains, and factories. John McCain will lead to American defeat in Iraq and in the global economy.

Posted by: Enrique | March 23, 2008 7:51 PM

Where's the news that the new pastor at Obama's church has called the public outcry over Wright lynching...geez, where have we heard that before? How can we have a dialogue on race when no one is allowed to criticize an incendiary black pastor?

Here's a handy guide to the Obama doublespeak we've all had to learn to decipher:
What he says: I will do everything in my power to be sure the delegates from MI and FL are seated. (said in Sept 2007)
What he means: Unless I lose there

What he says is: We have played by the rules.
What he means is: If you're talking about NEW rules where I say superdelegates should vote the way their constituents did in the primaries and caucuses. Except for Kennedy and Kerry.

What he says is: Race should not matter in this campaign
What he means is: Except for when I strongarm black superdelgates into voting for me.

What he says is: I was opposed to the war since the beginning
What he means is : except that I wasn't in the Senate then, but I was voting 'present' a lot in the Illinois Senate on the tough issues. I also supported John Kerry who voted for the war and embrace Jay Rockefeller's endorsement even though he voted for the war.

What he says is: Republicans who vote for Hillary are anxious for her to be the candidate to beat in November
What he means is: Republicans who vote for me prove I can get the crossover vote in November.

What he says is: There was no meeting in Canada
What he means is: Unless you caught me...and you caught me

What he says is: I reject and denounce Louis Farrakhan's support
What he means is: Hey, Louis--no hard feelings. I was backed in a corner. I haven't mentioned it since the debate. Maybe it will go away. Let's go shoot a round of golf together.

What he says is: I am the candidate that can unify this country.
What he means is: But I only campaigned in the black areas of Mississippi and I never visited the areas devastated by Katrina. I know what a typical white person thinks though.

What he says: I promise to use public financing in the general election.
What he means: Unless I make it to the general election

What he says: Resko who?
What he means: Oh that Resko..

Posted by: LMC | March 23, 2008 7:51 PM

why are the repulsive scammers selling you anyone but Hillary? because their lives depend upon you making the wrong choice...

they can control the hama, look how he treated Wright.


about the economy and the choice between o mama and Hillary, you guys have it bass ackwards...


it's pretty simple....as the Monty Python People said, "No one expects the Spainish Inquisition."

no one expected AMERICA's corporations to harvest the middle class, and then say


why isn't the economy working.


Look goofballs, no one expects things to keep getting worse. The people of the nation, the citizens have "no voice in Congress,"

outsourcing strips all of the jobs and ships them overseas, and credit card companies start having people declare bankruptcy on the credit card companies so what does Congress do???????


passes a law, that says a judge may not excuse a debtor from his debt even if it occured through no fault of his or her own....


what would happen if judges could still excuse a debt that was incurred through no wrong doing ?????


they would find out why people couldn't pay their bills....because the CORPORATIONS WOULD BE SUFFERING


and since CONGRESS ONLY LISTENS TO THE CORPORATIONS, and not the citizens, there would be action taken....


so, don't bail out the corporations, bail out the citizens...


the citizens didn't okay the fricking loans....the corporation did...


and people, the Bear Stearns buy_out ????


all of the people working at Bear Stearns lost their PENSIONS, off-the-top

how cool is that, speaking of harvesting the middle class...

how many people do you know that have no pension any more ????


ARE YOU CRAZY ????


you morons writing these articles, quit sniffing glue....


lendors okay the loans and validate them....people don't expect things to keep getting worse....IT's NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE...


and we have never had such corruption in charge of the UNITED STATES BEFORE...


and pounding sand down a rathole called IRAQ, that returns nada to the people of the United States as the war profiteers get bonuses and the boys and girls come home to

nothing after giving everything...


we need to hold a couple of quick trials and shoot some Executive Branch and State Department Members....to serve "as an example of what we do to the corrupt who choose the DOLLAR over COUNTRY, the treason artists!"


make an example of them _s_o_o_n_


the rest will flee the country and we may take possession of all they own.


.heh heh heh....


.


.

Posted by: hello | March 23, 2008 7:51 PM

John M wrote:

Hey Carville, if BR is Judas, which Clinton is Jesus?
-----------------------------------------

We will all get to witness a Clinton crucifiction come November.

Posted by: AnimociTeeze | March 23, 2008 7:52 PM

throw a few more under the bus. we's gunna need a bigger bus, eh? dat be a whole lotta fightin goin' on. it'll be 2012 before the dems get their party back together after this mess. hope nothing unfortunate happens to obama before a nominee is picked, cuz those clintonistas have a target on his back. does he have a food taster too?

Posted by: gary larson | March 23, 2008 7:52 PM

F Blade

Obama is in need of no "pass" I actually did some research and while Wright said some stupid things that are just plain wrong - I took the time to listen to a few of the full sermons that are not being aired (ie it isnt news) The "chickens are coming home to roost" stir for example Wright is quoting a WHITE Ambassassador Peck in a sermon shortly after 9/11.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ

Actually I agree with Wright on his movement for peace and loving God & Jesus. Take note of the "footnote" than give some thought to what you hear out of context. Not for one second do I believe the notion that Obama hates anyone - Wright has some generational issues regarding racial divisions - he isnt the only one. There is no "pass" needed here. Last I heard it is a free country and something about an ammendment regarding free speech but more to the point - Obama said that he strenuously disagreed with divisive comments making it clear that Obama's intent is to bring people together to make our country better not only for us but for our children.

Straight Shooter - PA

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 7:53 PM

How can anyone forgive Barack Obama for letting the people who elected him freeze to death in unheated slums?

Is human life so cheap to them?

Is winning worth so much more?

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 7:54 PM

With each passing day, Hillary Clinton is making it clear that she seeks to sabotage Barack Obama's chances of winning in November. Hillary might as well endorse John McCain for president. She would rather punish the entire country and subject us all to the disaster that McCain would create, then help save us from the failures of George W. Bush.

Posted by: Enrique | March 23, 2008 7:54 PM

Are you people actually reading these post. Obama fans, do you feel that if a person doesn't say anything glowing about Obama than it is seen as negative? Part of the problem when reading post on just about all of the forums, is all of the mean spirited and name calling by Obama fans towards Senator Clinton and her supporters. You all throw around liar more than anything. It's funny that you ignore negative things Obama says or does but jump on anything the Clinton's say or do. This is why many Clinton supporters are just sick to death of Obama. He seems to attract such a mean group of people who in fact seem to think he is the chosen one.It seems he is the one, his fans seem to be saying that he is entitled to be the nominee just ...because...

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 7:54 PM

They (the Clintons) say that Obama's speeches are "Messianic" and yet they refer to a former staffer as Judas? I guess it's typical for HRC...just like her other Delusions of Grandeur.

Posted by: John Bailo | March 23, 2008 7:55 PM

svreader, wassamatterwithyou? Angry at Richardson? Richardson did what is good for the Democratic Party and the future. I hope all the other superdelegates or automatic delegates (whatever) see the pending implosion of the Democratic Party while Bill/Hill try to take them hostage. I say boot Bill and Hill out from the party. Believe you me, if Obama was down 160 delegates, the Democratic would have hasten his exit by now!

Posted by: meldupree | March 23, 2008 7:56 PM

Abby,
You are not from Obama's grandma's generation, period.
You are a sucker for punishment for trying to take offence for something you shouldn't. Furthermore, if your grandparents were friendly to black people in the 1930s, they would have suffered ostracism and been branded "n-lovers" and they certainly would not be typical of the times.

In the early part of this century, the most unelectable thing a presidential candidate could be is be branded sympathetic to blacks, even in the more "progressive" parts of America. Read the history of the United States and inform yourself.

Nobody deserves to be injured by a criminal. I'm sorry it happened to you. If you read what I'm saying carefully enough you realize that I'm making the emphatic point that part of the racism problem in America gets better with every passing generation. Both sides have a lot of anger within them, but it gets better over decades. It can only move faster with more honest discussion where people don't hide behind hypocritical outrage about remarks that are true.

Denying America had a "whites are the supreme race" culture in the 1920s and 1930s is like denying the Holocaust or the fact that the earth is round. What's so difficult to accept about that? Things have changed but a lot of work remains.

Posted by: asja | March 23, 2008 7:57 PM

When Obama lowers the speed limit to 55,

This in turn will create a world wide oil Glut,

Lowering the price of gas to $1.25 a gallon,

You will be kissing his,

Well, you know where this is going..........

If Bush wasn't a slave to his Arab masters,

He might grow a pair do this on his own.

But, Chaney would never allow it,

And George never was that smart let's face it,

Even Bill's old lady probably would,

To bad she's not going to get the chance.


Posted by: Ken | March 23, 2008 7:57 PM

REASONS TO SKIP TRINITY CHURCH THIS SUNDAY

I've been tithing to Barak Obama, so he could spend that $1.5 million a day in 2008 for his narrow lead over Clinton.

I have to online social-network for Obama day and night to keep my facebook friends.

I'd have to pass that carriage house where ex-slaves once hid and seeing that legacy of white oppression quite understandably makes me feel like blowing up the Twin Towers.

Chris Matthews will be there dancing and clapping, and he's dangerous!

Hey, even gangsta rappers avoid Trinity because it's too angry, paranoid and negative.

When he sees me, Rev. Wright yells, "Get out! You ain't never been called a N-----!"

Obama's wife won't be proud of me even if I go :(

Posted by: AsperGirl | March 23, 2008 7:58 PM

Oh for Pete's sake! WHY is Richardson a "traitor" for backing Obama? Carville would be slobbering all ovet the place if Richardson had come out for Clinton.

Voting and supporting candidates could/should be private - but let me tell you something, there are a lot of Republicans like me who feel that McCain is a very nice man, but that his time has passed, and we need someone fresh and different. Clinton sure as heck isn't new or different.

Did Obama's campaign call Rendell a traitor or any other names, for supporting Clinton? No. Only the Clinton camp does that sort of crap.

I would never, ever, ever vote for Clinton, but Obama has my money and my vote. He's the voice of change. Embrace it.

Posted by: Republican for Obama | March 23, 2008 7:58 PM

All of you Clinton supporters who are whining incessantly about Bill Richardson making an honest choice about who he thinks will be the best president seem to have the same arrogant sense of automatic entitlement that your overrated candidate does. Nobody is "required" to back Hillary and nobody "owes" her or her tacky husband a damn thing, and your infantile rants sound more like sour grapes from a group of spoiled and immature partisans who have been dreaming of another Clinton presidency since 2000, and who are offended that things arent going their way. Anyone who thinks a "liberal" version of Fox News would be a good thing needs to just listen to people like you, to find out that when it comes right down to it, you are just as corrupt and dishonest hypocritical as the blindest "dittohead". To quote your beloved shrew, "shame on you".

Obama WILL get the nomination, and if that concept offends certain blatantly racist Democrats so completely beyond all logical reason, then you go ahead and vote for Nadir or McCain, white bread. After that, you can ask yourself who is the real "Judas" in this equation, because it isnt Richardson, who is a helluva lot more honest on his worst day than the Clintons are on their best. The last place Id ever want to find myself is in the same camp of agreement as a disgustingly inbred extra-terrestrial worm like James Carville.

This proud INDEPENDENT will be even prouder to help elect President Obama and his running mate, Vice President Richardson, in November. All of these venemous shrieking pseudo-Republican Clintonoids can plant Hillary where the sun dont shine and leave her there, especially since that's the kind of dark and negative environment that she thrives in. There's always 8 years from now, kids ... oh that's right, she wont be nominated then either. Oh well, dont go away mad, just go away, and leave the voting to people with enough digits in their IQ score to make an intelligent choice in November.

Posted by: Saint Subversive | March 23, 2008 7:59 PM

leroy c., onefreeman--
You're kidding yourselves if you think we Dems won't prefer McCain over BO. You'll see that we weren't Repubs on election day, when the exit polling takes place and the Fraud Candidate BO loses, with our help.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 8:00 PM

Is human life so cheap to them?

Is winning worth so much more?

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 07:54 PM

Actually, svreader, that would be Hillary Rodham Clinton. Heaven only knows how many people she has thrown under the bus to get what she wants. Make up stories of danger, and pad that resume as well. Maybe you need to hire her for your company as a consultant after August; she might be free to do some work for you.

Posted by: meldupree | March 23, 2008 8:00 PM

Bill Clinton was a very good President and had some of the highest approval ratings of any President in modern history. Obama realizes that's a problem for him, hence, the constant race cards and false accusations hurled against him. Obama has done more to split the Democratic party than anyone; and, I also believe that by the time he is finished, he will have set race relations back 50 years. What a pity.

Posted by: Fred | March 23, 2008 8:00 PM

Bill Richardson is just another in a long line of former Clintonites to be repulsed by what they've seen now that the curtain is pulled back.
Where was Hillary's outrage when FL & MI first voted. Typical of her campaign, she'll ignore you until she needs you. She stopped taking questions from the public in Iowa; DC, MD, VA are meaningless in her eyes; big states are what count. Just like big biz and powerful lobbyists, show the money and she'll fight for you.
A vote for Hillary means we haven't learned a thing in the past 8 years.
-Independent for anyone but...

Posted by: Richmond, VA | March 23, 2008 8:00 PM

Richardson obvsiously didn't come to the decision to support Obama easily. A lot of good Democrats are sick to death of the Clintons and their sense of entitlement. Hillary Clinton literally rode her way to success on the coattails of her husband.

I won't support dynasties and don't think she's the most talented or qualified for the job. She did a terrible job on health care reform and supported the Iraq war.

If I have to vote for her in the general election, I will, but it won't be enthusiastically.

Posted by: Just Mark | March 23, 2008 8:01 PM

If James Carville tries to make people think he is somewhere between a fox and a jackass, the Judas statement puts him squarely on the side of a jackass. It is not to be taken too seriously. It is not so much in the gutter as just plain silly.

Posted by: steve clark | March 23, 2008 8:01 PM

Bottom line for me is if Hilliary's experiience was so VALUABLE, why didn't she run after Bill? Answer. SHE HAS NOT EXPERIENCE! Her so called experience is being the first laday as such all the other first ladies.

Another point: If her experience to so much greater than Baracks as a State Senator...Why don't she point that out! Answer. IT'S NOT! Barack has worked on and passed just (if not more) bills as a State Senator as she has. People pleas pull their senante records and you'll see. Believe me if she could run off her senant record as "most experience" she would.

Posted by: x4faith | March 23, 2008 8:01 PM

I think the theory that the Clintons are using a slash and burn strategy against the party is a sound one. They (and their supporters) keep getting uglier. Just look at the hate-filled comments posted here. The super-delegates need to start taking a stand now, to put an end to it one way or the other.

Posted by: VerbalKint | March 23, 2008 03:53 PM

++
Well according to Obama, the Superdelegates need to follow the will of the people. How can they follow the will of the people if they all haven't voted yet. One thing...this is probably true of all politicians, but Obama too wants to win at any cost, and work the rules to his advantage...He says he is above that. He's just an ordinary politician...that only cares about winning.

Posted by: Badger | March 23, 2008 8:02 PM

Barack Obama's not going to get elected to anything.

People are beginning to find out what kind of person Barry Obama really is.

The truth will be end of Barry Obama.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 8:02 PM

I just wanted to express my opinion on your recent endorsement of Obama. I would not wish for a friend like you. To me friendship is paramount. It is principles.Loyal friends stay not only loyal but offer support when most needed. Bill Clinton gave you good positions in his administration. Sure - you qualified for those positions. So it worked for his benefit too. But they were asking for your support. As a friend I think you should have offered your endorsement to Hillary Clinton. I would not go as far as what Carville had to say. But certainly in a thousand years I pray to God that I would not want to have a friend like you. Your excuse about Obama's speech as the turning point and the Clinton's campaign staff as the reason to throw your support for Obama is weak. President Clinton by all accounts was asking for your support. The least you could have done for whom you still call your friends is to extend your support. You have no shame to call them your friends.

Posted by: nazirmo | March 23, 2008 8:02 PM

When Obama lowers the speed limit to 55,

This in turn will create a world wide oil Glut,

Lowering the price of gas to $1.25 a gallon,

You will be kissing his,

Well, you know where this is going..........

If Bush wasn't a slave to his Arab masters,

He might grow a pair do this on his own.

But, Chaney would never allow it,

And George never was that smart let's face it,

Even Bill's old lady probably would,

To bad she's not going to get the chance.


Posted by: Ken | March 23, 2008 8:03 PM

AsperGirl, your red neck is showing!

Posted by: meldupree | March 23, 2008 8:04 PM

Gov. Richardson is obviously envious of the Clintons, and that's okay, he is a terrible spokesman for NObama. Couldn't handle the straight talk of Gov. Rendall because he knows already he's made a mistake. If NObama manipulates this and gets the nomination, it will foster a huge new political front: Democrats for McCain!!!

Posted by: Jesus Francisco Cardenas | March 23, 2008 8:04 PM

If James Carville tries to make people think he is somewhere between a fox and a jackass, the Judas statement puts him squarely on the side of a jackass. It is not to be taken too seriously. It is not so much in the gutter as just plain silly.

Posted by: steve clark | March 23, 2008 8:05 PM

Though Obama is as "American" as the other candidates, the PERCEPTION that the rest of the world - certain parts of it anyway - gets, is that America is crying Uncle, by electing a Guy named Barack Hussein to the presidency.

Yes, on the surface it DOES sound juvenile/racist/hateful (and other putrid names you can call it), but its the truth of PERCEPTION... This is what that the congressman from Iowa was pointing out.

The rest of the world isn't made up of enlightened, latte-sipping liberals, whose hatred of America will disappear because we elect an inexperienced-white-liberal-who-looks-black in the hopes that the rest of the world will be fooled and will start celebrating what America stands for in this world. The last 5,6 years of missteps by the Bush administration doesn't necessarily require such "European" response of electing Obama to be president. America will be LAUGHED at, instead of feared. We want neither.

The constitution is based on the fundamental premise that men are not angels. Its idealism is expressed through cynical, m/distrustful mechanisms. This is why the president can appoint justices but cant fire them. Congress can make laws but can not appoint officers to execute them.. and so on. It is... TEMPERED idealism.

PLEASE temper your idealism with the realism of a broader context of human nature - an awareness of how other cultures (outside the starbucks zone) function and perceive.

Posted by: Stockholm Syndrome? | March 23, 2008 8:06 PM

How quickly you idiots and lost lambs forget. First off...Obama will lose to McCain. Only an idiot would think otherwise. Secondly, your rejection of Clinton is beneath stupidity. You forget the success of a structure that is in place to initiate our nation's renewal. So you place your hats with a neophyte who claims 2 yrs experience as Senator and a number of years as a "Community Organizer." Period. Ever think of the learning curve involved in establishing a functioning presidency? Two years sound reasonable to you? Two wasted years...Well don't worry...he'll lose to the Repos because of no swing Repo vote and no centrist Demo vote. But you idiots can't think that far. You place your faith in hope. And you will hope you've enough carfare to pay for your bus trip home after this one is over.

Politics is not the hygienic endeavor you'd like it to be.
And it never shall be. Doctrine idiots you are to presume as such. And a bit ignorant as well. I've run outta nice things to say about you. Party Poopers.

Posted by: jatox | March 23, 2008 8:06 PM

the bush crime family,

you pay their bills even if you don't know it...

Neil Bush Silverado Savings and Loan, NCLB software...required in Florida

and JEB BUSH, Brother to George W. and Neil...you buy his business headquarters for him...

JEB BUSH, the George W's brother. After graduating from The University of Texas, Jeb Bush served a short apprenticeship at the Venezuelan branch of Texas Commerce Bank in Caracas before settling in Miami, in 1980, to work on his father's unsuccessful primary bid against Ronald Reagan. Shortly after arriving in Miami, Jeb was hired by Cuban-American developer Armando Codina to work at his Miami development company as an agent leasing office space. A couple of years later, Jeb and Codina became business partners, and in 1985 they purchased an office building in a deal partly financed by a savings and loan that later failed.The $4.56 million loan, from Broward Federal Savings in Sunrise, Florida, was granted in such a way that neither Codina's nor Bush's name appeared on the loan papers as the borrowers. A third man, J. Edward Houston, borrowed the $4.56 million from Broward and then re-lent it to the Bush partnership. When federal regulators closed Broward Savings in 1988, they found the loan, which had been secured by the Bush partnership, in default. As Jeb's father was finishing his second term as vice-president and running for the presidency, federal regulators had two options: to get Jeb Bush and his partner to repay the loan, or to foreclose on their office building. But regulators came up with a third solution. After reappraising the building, regulators decided it wasn't worth as much as was owed for it.

The regulators reduced the amount owed by Bush and his partner from $4.56 million to just $500,000.

The pair paid that amount and were allowed to keep their office building.

TAXPAYERS PICKED UP THE TAB for the unpaid $4 $MILLION$....Jeb got a piece of property valued at about 5 MILLION for .5 MILLION....you ate the rest...


SEARCH ON BUSH CRIME FAMILY


1.5 MILLION ENTRIES, stories articles about these hucksters...selling your lives out from under you and berating you for not being patriotic enough or trying hard enough...


these fools have never worked a day in their lives,


THEY ARE CONARTISTS...plain and simple.

.

and they backing the baaaaaaaaaaaaa ma

Posted by: hello | March 23, 2008 8:07 PM

When Obama lowers the speed limit to 55,

This in turn will create a world wide oil Glut,

Lowering the price of gas to $1.25 a gallon,

You will be kissing his,

Well, you know where this is going..........

If Bush wasn't a slave to his Arab masters,

He might grow a pair do this on his own.

But, Chaney would never allow it,

And George never was that smart let's face it,

Even Bill's old lady probably would,

To bad she's not going to get the chance.


Posted by: Ken | March 23, 2008 8:07 PM

As an Edwards supporter who switched to Clinton, I have said repeatedly that I would be glad to vote for Obama. I have good friends in his campaign. However, I am becoming so alienated by the hate and racism from Obama's supporter and the fawning on him by the press, that, should he get the nomination, I may sit this one out. I simply distrust the MSM too much to buy what they're selling. Additionally, I'm not sure that I could stand 4 to 8 years of inability to criticize the president without being labeled racist. The pit we're in now was dug in large part because the Press refused to do its job when Bush 43 was elected. Most people recognize that now. How will the institution that was afraid to criticize Bush because they thought he was too nice treat Obama, whom they believe is both "nice" and untouchable because he's black?

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 8:08 PM

I had been a big Clinton supporter throughout his presidency and would have supported Hilary, albeit with reservations, if Obama had not appeared on the scene. It is now clear that the worst of Clinton's foibles are coming out in his wifes campaign: in a desire to get elected above all else they feel they have the right to say or do whatever is necessary. This includes casting aspersions about Obama's patriotism, trashing former colleagues (Richardson) because now they disagree in good faith, and making grandiose claims of influence in her husband's administration. Obama really is a breath of fresh air, and a long way from the politics as usual approach of Hillary.

Posted by: dmp | March 23, 2008 8:08 PM

I can't see myself voting for Hillary if they choose to get nomination by gutter politics. I rather vote for McCain who is a true patriot and a decent man. Otherwise, Obama is my choice. We don't want the greatest country be like other countries where families own political agenda and nation. So, it will soon be Chelsea running for presidency. enough of this nonsense.

Posted by: Dev | March 23, 2008 8:09 PM

Posted by: George | March 23, 2008 8:09 PM

The fact that Obama went to that hateful church for over 20 years shows that he is a hypocrite. If I went to a church where they preached hatred I would leave out of principle. The Obama people have been the ones playing the race card all along. When someone like liberal icon Geraldine Ferraro gets accused of being a racist-- well, who are the ones playing gutter politics!

Posted by: Fred | March 23, 2008 8:10 PM

All these losers like Richardson and Dodd know Obama will not be elected in the general election so they will have a chance to run again in 2012.

Posted by: G.Y. | March 23, 2008 8:10 PM

Bill Clinton uses slime, the whole conversation revolved around McCain and Clinton and then he mentioned two people who love their country. That is the whole picture. And then we're told wink, wink it wasn't a dig at Obama's patriotism. Bill knows full well the rumors questioning it.

Bill and Hillary need to come out and speak about Rev. Wright and Black churches. After all they take great pride in Bill being called the first Black President.

Come on Bill you owe us one after you lied to us on national TV. Show some goodness for America instead of us having to show you ours. Stop the slime.

Posted by: Terry | March 23, 2008 8:10 PM

This isn't a game.

People froze to death in the slums in Obama's district because he was too busy planning his run for the Presidency to do his job as a Chicago State Senator.

We he got elected to the US Senate, he still did nothing about the slums of Chicago, that Rezko got $100M to fix or replace, but people froze to death in.

Mark my words. People will be more angry about this than anything else Obama has done wrong.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 8:10 PM

McClinton gets the Democratic nomination; McCain gets the White House.

Posted by: Staggo Lee | March 23, 2008 8:10 PM

When Obama lowers the speed limit to 55,

This in turn will create a world wide oil Glut,

Lowering the price of gas to $1.25 a gallon,

You will be kissing his,

Well, you know where this is going..........

If Bush wasn't a slave to his Arab masters,

He might grow a pair do this on his own.

But, Chaney would never allow it,

And George never was that smart let's face it,

Even Bill's old lady probably would,

To bad she's not going to get the chance.


Posted by: Ken | March 23, 2008 8:12 PM

I am a writer and writers must write. I must write of what I witnessed of the Senator Barack Obama's speech, where I learned that good people are not necessarily those who read the Bible and attend church everyday. Good people are those who respect the immutable laws, laws of decency and respect, people who live above the ugliness of this world. Hilary Clinton and Bill Clinton are a disgrace for Africans. Clinton Foundation is a shame and a disgrace. History will judge Clinton for calling Senator Barack Obama, "this other stuff".

I will write about this momment in history and let the world know the Clintons by their names and deeds, the worst of mankind.

Posted by: Ted | March 23, 2008 8:12 PM

Barry Obama gets 20 to life in Joliet State Prison.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 8:13 PM

bush a slave to his arab masters ???


what world are you living on ???


bush cares for no one but himself....


he uses people.


he has a $200 dollar an hour male prostitute spending the night at the whitehouse

and the boys and girls at the Washington Post don't say jack about it

because they are afraid of him, you know his dad has all those connections with


some bad boys in the CIA and the Mafia

and post writers don't have the stones to publish the truth


that the president is a user


and that they have been letting him use them


like he uses Jeff Gannon.

.the arabs using bush???? it's collusion hose'


.treason.


and the post won't publish that either


they do know it though, they are just scared little children

stealing cookies.


pen day holse


.

Posted by: hello | March 23, 2008 8:13 PM

Richardson is a hypocrite. He keeps saying he wants Clinton to drop out so Obama will win the nomination.

Richardson is a hypocrite. He keeps saying he wants the party to be "united," but in the same breath bashes the Clinton aides.

Richardson is after the v.p. slot and whoever would give it to him, got his endorsement.

The Obama people thought the latinos would go for Obama when Kennedy endorsed him - that didn't happen.

Richardson couldn't even get votes for himself, how can he help Obama?

Posted by: Grace | March 23, 2008 8:13 PM

As for as Barack being a community organizer...America is one HUGE dysfunction community in desperate need of a willing functional ORGANIZER...Barack '08. AGAIN I ASK...IF HILLARY'S EXPERIENCE IN THE WHITE HOUSE WAS OF SUCH OF VALUE...WHY DIDN'T SHE PICK UP AFTER BILL LEFT OFFICE? AS FOR AS LYING GOES...HILLARY IS AN EXPERT! HOW CAN SHE LOOK IN THE CAMERA WITH A STRAIGHT FACE AND LIE ABOUT ALL OF THESE TRIPS SHE'S TAKEN AS FIRST LADY.

Posted by: x4faith | March 23, 2008 8:15 PM

I hope Clinton wins so the Obamanites can get the mental treatment they need to undo the brainwashing. At least they'll have healthcare to pay for it. Obama's campaign injected race from the beginning but to take the distraction away twist the words of Bill Clinton. Obama's speaches were a fairy tale not his race, a President did have to be strong and go against the grain to get MLK's vision to be accepted. It would be nice to have two patriotic candidates focus on issues and not distracted by he said she said bickering. Both campaigns are guilty and should stop before the entire democratic party is so far apart that they can't come together.

Posted by: Clinton 09 | March 23, 2008 8:15 PM

Hillary Clinton can't even give her husband some good head and she can't even run her household right so how the hell can she run this country. Her husband lied on national t.v and she was foolish enough to believe him. Has Obama cheated on his wife that the people know about? not so far, so that means that he's doing something right in the room and she keeping him happy. And it seems to me that a lot of white people are upset because many are being called out and to tell you the truth, many blacks are not afraid of a white people hell even whites aren't afraid of their own. And also if it's so embarrassing then why practice it don't dish out what you can't take.Obama stay focus and don't get caught up in this mess cause it is a tactic that many whites like to create cause some can't stand to lose (especially a fair and square one)Your educated and know what you are talking about compare to some and that's what's pissing some of the whites off. However their are some blacks that are scary too so I do agree with what some people say about blacks.

Posted by: Mr.X | March 23, 2008 8:16 PM

Obama supporters need to get off their high horses and see the slums of Chicago.

If Barry Obama does as much for America as he did for the people in his State Senate District, we'll all freeze to death.

He's the biggest fraud ever to come out of Chicago, and that's saying a lot.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 8:16 PM

Sex scandals in the senate etc. Our country went through one impeachment already - I think I would call this the Audacity of the Clintons - do they seriously think the voters are THAT STUPID? I mean to think that we would put her "and Bill" BACK in the White House as our BEST Democratic representative - let's ignore all the dirty politics of the present for a moment ... do we really want that nonsense all over again? The Clintons moral scorecard is very low but the worst part about it is that they assume it won't come up in a general election - excuse me - these are Republicans we're up against this November and the only serious message coming out of the Clinton campaign is vote for me because I can get Universal Healthcare done this time - promise - I can pull independents and Republicans to make UHC happen (I know i couldnt before - but now im less divisive) and I have better commander in chief skills as I had to duck sniper fire in Bosnia ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkRSxz5zNkk

(oh nevermind I was lying about that) oh and I really NEVEr supported NAFTA - (please ignore whats in those 20,000 that you wouldnt release until a court ORDERED you to)

Enough is ENOUGH - STEP DOWN

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 8:16 PM

Just one more thing: I just returned last week from Dubai, a country located in the United Arab Emirates (Cheney has been there for over a week, in Oman, which borders Dubai). President Bush was in Dubai this past January. I was there two weeks ago.

I was interested to know what the average "Emirati" (a native person of the Emirates, of Dubai) thought about the American election. I didn't have to wait long to find out. To a PERSON-THEY ARE FERVENTLY HOPING FOR A BARACK OBAMA WIN. In fact, I got into an argument at one 5 star hotel in Dubai with a man who had some real ugliness on his face when I made the case that Obama was a fraud with no experience. The other natives I talked to (as opposed to non-natives) were very much of the same thought; you see the, Barack HUSSEIN Obama is very meaningful in this part of the world!

The reason I was so interested in getting a read on the locals in Dubai is because I know, that 2 of the 18 9/11 hijackers were from Dubai.

Posted by: FARFALLE44 | March 23, 2008 8:17 PM

Grace: Are you another one of Hillary Clinton's sour grapes minions? Her Majesty Hillary Clinton and her thugs have lost the Primary. Get over it.

Posted by: Get real | March 23, 2008 8:17 PM

Richardson should not use his mouth like that, as a respected elder/diplomat.

The difference between Hillary and Obama is less than 1 million people and less than 200 delegate counts.

People who keep saying Hillary will never be able to win enough delegates NEED to ALSO say the SAME THING about Obama: Obama, too, will NEVER be able to win enough delegates, as things stand right now and as things seem to be proceeding.

People --- especially reporters who purport to know some statistics --- should think before they say stupid things, which, without htoughts, they think are actually smart observations.

Posted by: Her Lao | March 23, 2008 8:18 PM

When Obama lowers the speed limit to 55,

This in turn will create a world wide oil Glut,

Lowering the price of gas to $1.25 a gallon,

You will be kissing his,

Well, you know where this is going..........

If Bush wasn't a slave to his Arab masters,

He might grow a pair do this on his own.

But, Chaney would never allow it,

And George never was that smart let's face it,

Even Bill's old lady probably would,

To bad she's not going to get the chance.


Posted by: Ken | March 23, 2008 8:20 PM

Sour grapes on Richardson's part. Who does he think he is, a future Dicky Cheney?

Posted by: Michael1945 | March 23, 2008 8:20 PM

And Obama never lies. hahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
and I have some votes to sell you in FL and MI. Less than half the market value and an adjoining lot too. For a real special price a fron row pew seat next to Oprah.

Posted by: all politicians lie | March 23, 2008 8:21 PM

Richardson should towel off his wet back and quit being such a hypocrite. Obama is the false messiah and is going to creamed by McCain if he gets the nomination. When McCain wins by a landslide, where are Kerry, Kennedy, and Richardson going to be -- hiding with egg all over their ugly mugs!

Posted by: SpiderMike | March 23, 2008 8:21 PM

richardson deserves nothing but contempt. he was the worst of the presidential nominees on the democratic side-his experience was useless because it was just history.he has none of hillary's charisma.

obama is the one playing gutter politics.

he cynically called hillary a democrat from poonjab.it was a racial slur directed toward asian indians.

then he told idaho-keep your guns and the illegals 'i will give you citizenship'.he has no character or principles.

his supporters called hillary a monster.

he distorted hillary's health care proposals in ohio and got thrashed anyway. after loosing every big state other than illinois.

he will get routed in all the red states that he has won, if he is ever nominated.

he lived in indonesia for 10 years. then he grew up in hawaii.there is nothing about him that is black or white.but calculating and devious as he is, he is manipulating both blacks and whites.his supporters are calling asians racists because they supported the candidate who is by far better than him, hillary. he has sparked tensions between all sides and split a great party-the democratic party. he is slinging mud on hillary, who has done a lot for everybody, while he used power to further his own ambitions all the while.

it is disgusting to hear his supporters call bill clinton a racist.he is the only successful democratic president since john kennedy and the party's supporters are very proud of bill.

i don't want to speak of bill and obama in the same breadth. bill is a superacheiver and obama a big flop.

but none of this is the real problem.the problem is his resume is empty. and the fire and brimstone in his speeches indicate that he should be running for minister in some church, not president.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 8:23 PM

Barry Obama is a cold-blooded killer by way of negligence.

People who voted for him in his State Senate District froze to death in Obama's Slums.

Obama supporters need to get off their high horses and see the slums of Chicago.

If Barry Obama does as much for America as he did for the people in his State Senate District, we'll all freeze to death.

He's the biggest fraud ever to come out of Chicago, and that's saying a lot.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 8:23 PM

Ted: You said "Hilary Clinton and Bill Clinton are a disgrace for Africans. Clinton Foundation is a shame and a disgrace." Here's some irony for you - The Clinton Global Initiative, part of the Clinton Foundation, has secured partnerships for the following initiatives:
$271,000,000.00 over a 5-year period for educational opportunities for 7.5 million children in Africa and Asia.
$40,000,000.00 over 5 years for critical education needs for 3,000,000 girls in Africa.
$12,000,000.00 over 8 years to improve schooling and health outcomes for girls 10-14 in Southern Africa.
Maybe someone should tell Barack Obama that trying to label Bill Clinton a "racist" is contrary to everything he has ever done in his life, and is not only dishonest, it is disgusting. *** AND TED, HOW MUCH HAVE YOU DONE FOR AFRICA, LATELY?????

Posted by: Fred | March 23, 2008 8:23 PM

How divisive is this comment section going to get? Let's get real. Richardson should not have switched his vote against the wishes of his state. Period. What does that say about him?

Obama has mis-quoted and mis-stated lots of people (Bill Clinton, Lou Dobbs of CNN, Madeline Albright, even MLK) on purpose or out of ignorance because he is not the one who determines what he says. Clinton does it too, but she always knows she is doing it. Hillary has baggage beyond belief, but she is vetted with little surprises. Obama is young, a two year senator (2005 to 2007 since he was campaigning his entire last year). I don't believe Hillary would ever bargain for votes with cabinet posts - which I believe Richardson has been promised by the Obama campaign. The Obama campaign needed Richardson's ethnicity on his side, also. Both campaigns are fighting dirty, that's politics. However, if you think Obama's camp is not doing so with the facade of being innocent, think again.

Dems had a clear shot at victory this year. The basics of campaigning has blown that out of the water. The comments from this article alone are appalling. They both (Clinton and Obama) stand for the same things we have wanted in the White House since 2001. We have never seen a greater need for a combined ticket in the history of our country. They both fight mean, so what? They will need that spunk and roll up the sleeves to beat McCain.

Posted by: Mary | March 23, 2008 8:24 PM

This is how Hillary can win it ALL, a MUST SEE!! :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jfa9XIJxdAg

Please people. Let's get this nomination over asap before we humiliate ourselves further...

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 8:25 PM

Since I live in Pennsylvania, I would like to thank Hillary for staying in the race. I like to have a choice when I go to vote at the primary level. I think everyone of you like to have a choice when You go vote. Saying that she should have conceded months ago for Party Unity is BS. If you want to have party unity this far out in the electoral process, it shouldn't be so spread out. Why don't we just chop up the country into let's say 6 geographic regions and have all the primaries in those regions at the same time. Give the candidates 2 weeks in each region between primaries. The Primaries would be done with by the middle of April. That would give the National candidates 6 months to campagne prior to the National Convention.

On a side note I just want to say I would love a Clinton/Obama or an Obama/Clinton Presidency. But Politics being so full of BS like it is, sort of like a Boxing match, but with some of the people involved wishing it was more like a dog or a cock fight(to the death that is) I just see that as a fantasy now.

Posted by: rja112 | March 23, 2008 8:26 PM

It never ceases to amaze me how everything about the Clintons is scrutinized -people of wanting change can't move forward to today's doings. Also everything they say gets turned around to negativity. As far as Richardson is concerned he is pitiful. He talks about uniting races. Well let me tell you, I have watched the Clintons for years and they have done a lot to try to help the blacks in this country only to have the blacks turn their backs on them for another black man. Also Richardson needs to remember how much of the hispanic population has backed Hillary across the country and he calls Obama a uniter. As far as the photo with Bill Clinton during his Presidency with Wright, it's just one more example of how much the Clintons included people of every race. There were never race lines drawn for them until Obama and his cronies drew them.

Posted by: Ann K. | March 23, 2008 8:26 PM

svreader: It's not only that he is a fraud with regard to his tenure as state senator, but that way he obtained that office shows that from the very beginning, he was a typical ruthless politician. Look at this article from the Chicago Tribune:
www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070403obama-ballot,0,1843097.story?,page=1

Posted by: Fred | March 23, 2008 8:27 PM

And, remember, Hillary is merely running an old, traditional presidential campaign, NOT a "movement".

She does not speak in stadium-filled, swooning people.

She speaks to excited people, who truly want someone DIFFERENT.....

I am a guy, an Asian American, and I have ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEMS, if EITHER of them become president.

I have never heard her speak in person; nor do I think her oratory skills are anywhere close to Obama's, but I am tired --- I mean, really, really, really, really, really tired ---- of men, men, men, men, men, men, and more men in the corridor of power, of the highest and most powerful office in this country...

I think we need someone who is genotypically and phenotypically DIFFERENT from Obama and all these endless men since Washington, ALL, by the way, who promised change and good things and good deeds.

Will Hillary ultimately prove no difference?

Very likely! But, she is a truly different species of human beings, again, genotypically and phenotypically. I like to see how that works out, as a curious monkey....

Posted by: Her Lao | March 23, 2008 8:27 PM

RICHARDSON IS ANOTHER LOSER LIKE KERRY AND OTHERS. THEY THINK BY SUPPORTING OBAMA (ANOTHER LOSER) THEY CAN COME BACK IN 2012 AND RIDING THE WAVES OF BLACK ANGER TO THE WHITE HOUSE

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 8:30 PM

For those who say that OBAMA LIED about not being in the church when REV WRIGHT delivered that sermon: Listen.
OBAMA WAS REALLY NOT IN THE CONGREGATION THAT DAY. AND WAS NOT IN THE CONGREGATION SOME OTHER TIMES, JUST AS YOU (ASSUMING THAT YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN) MAY NOT BE GOING TO CHURCH EVERY TIME.

OBAMA CAMPAIGN DID PROVIDE A PROOF TO JOURNALISTS AND FAXED SAME TO NEWS MEDIA THAT REQUESTED SUCH.

PLEASE DON'T DISTORT FACTS IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE REAL FACTS. DON'T MISLEAD YOUR CO-BLOGGERS BY WRITING THAT OBAMA IS A LIAR.

ABOUT WHY HE ASSOCIATED WITH THE CHURCH FOR 20 YEARS AND DIDN'T WALK AWAY: OBAMA HAS SAID THAT HE KNEW ABOUT SOME OF HIS CRITICAL WORDS WHEN HE IS ABOUT TO START HIS PRES. CAMPAIGN, AND CONFRONTED HIM AT THAT TIME. AND WOULD HAVE LEFT HAD REV. WRIGHT NOT RETIRING.

SO, IF YOU ARE A HILLARY SUPPROTER, JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION READ THE FULL TEXT OF REV WRIGHT'S SERMON IN QUESTION AND YOU CAN SEE THAT HE LOVE'S THIS COUNTRY PROBABELY MORE THAT YOU DO AND ALSO THAT YOU ARE BEING DECIEVED WITH THAT FEW SECONDS OF CLIPS.

Posted by: bob | March 23, 2008 8:30 PM

When Obama lowers the speed limit to 55,

This in turn will create a world wide oil Glut,

Lowering the price of gas to $1.25 a gallon,

You will be kissing his,

Well, you know where this is going..........

If Bush wasn't a slave to his Arab masters,

He might grow a pair do this on his own.

But, Chaney would never allow it,

And George never was that smart let's face it,

Even Bill's old lady probably would,

To bad she's not going to get the chance.


Posted by: Ken | March 23, 2008 8:30 PM

Richardson sounds "defensive" to me.

I don't care who he's for or what he thinks. He didn't have enough support to stay in the priamary...so why does his opinion matter so much?

Posted by: pat | March 23, 2008 8:31 PM

FARFALLE44 ,
Oh gimmie a break, your line of argument just confirms that you're one of those people who looks at everything very shallowly.

If we are going to tar all Middle Eastern Muslims as terrorists, perhaps we should buy our oil from somewhere else. Perhaps the king of the country which had 15 hijackers shouldn't walk arm in arm with our president while a personal guest at his ranch.

Perhaps we should stop borrowing trillions of dollars to fight the war on terror and Iraq from them and raise taxes on patriotic Americans for the fight.

Perhaps, when our Wall Street bankers become too greedy and need capital injections, they should go, cup in hand to another part of the world or to Ohio and Pennsylvania to get the money to bail out their banks.

Perhaps when Boeing needs to keep American jobs in Seattle and elsewhere, it should go ask the good shareholders of Southwest Airlines to buy new planes instead of relying on Emirates and Qatar Airlines.

Perhaps, when America needs a safe, efficient port base from which to handle military supplies for our troops and shipping logistics in the Middle East to fight terrorists there, we should ask countries other than Qatar and UAE.

Insulting the allies who help us achieve our safety in the world, lend our government and banks the money we need to stay afloat and keep our country supplied with the oil we need to drive our SUVs is never a smart idea. Unless you're trying to bash Obama of course.

We need to stop depending on them because it's a relationship that causes as much resentment there as it does here, but insulting the hand that feeds you is plain stupid.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 8:31 PM

Honesty is the best policy and all of you know that the clintons don't know that. VIVA OBAMA

Posted by: peter | March 23, 2008 8:31 PM

B2O2

The fact that you would use the Lords name in such a derragatory way on Easter Sunday ...says alot about you and makes it clear why you feel the need to defend racist, anti-american and hatred remarks made by pastor Wright and the Senator who supports him.

Posted by: Chula | March 23, 2008 8:32 PM

Its not about one Sunday. Its about 20 years of Obama's relationship Rev Wright.

Its about Obama's Slums.

Its about Obama's Racism.

Its about Obama's Lies.

Even us "Typical White People" aren't stupid enough to keep falling for Obama's LIES.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 8:34 PM

Bill Richardson, the man that some of you call names and dismiss as a traitor who owes his entire existence to Bill Clinton was a congressman for 15 years prior to being appointed UN Ambassador, an appointment which he was higly qualified for. He is very respected internationally for his achievements in foreign policies and he's a five times Nobel Prize Nominee. How can you possibly dismiss him? Is there some strange rule in American politics (I'm Swedish) stipulating that paying back favors is more important than following your own judgement and conviction? And is that really the way you want things done? Honestly!

Posted by: Chris | March 23, 2008 8:34 PM

OBAMA DID LIE...The truth hurts....

He said on national TV he did not know or hear any controversial remarks ....then he gets on TV the following day and sayd HE DID hear controversial remarks.

The only reason he admitted it...was because the media already had proof that he had been at the church when controversial remarks were being said.

So good try...but we saw him with our own eyes!

He lied!!

Posted by: chula | March 23, 2008 8:36 PM

I'm glad Richardson spoke up to give an honest view of what it's really like to deal with the Clinton's. I am also dismayed at the tone of some of the postings and ad hominem and bigoted attacks on this site. You reflect poorly on your chosen candidate. I would expect more from people who call themselves Democrats.

Posted by: okjoel | March 23, 2008 8:40 PM

Even if Obama wasn't in the pews the day of the GD America verbal vomit, he has admittedly been there when controversial statements were made. Of course the Obama backers bring up the Catholic preists who have molested, well if you know for 20 years about the preist, then you are worse than Wright. The fact that he attended for 20 years is the problem. If Wright wants to spew hatred he has the right, but Obama should have had the judgement to say "Uncle Wright, I love you but I just don't agree. I love my country and the Clinton bashing has no place in the church. I just can't subject my family to this anymore. I love you but I just can't attend as long as you condemn the America that, though it has its faults, has also afforded many freedoms that we would not have were we not here.God Bless you, I will pray for you."

Posted by: God Bless the USA | March 23, 2008 8:40 PM

Richardson is a hypocrite. He keeps saying he wants Clinton to drop out so Obama will win the nomination.

Richardson is a hypocrite. He keeps saying he wants the party to be "united," but in the same breath bashes the Clinton aides.

Richardson is after the v.p. slot and whoever would give it to him, got his endorsement.

The Obama people thought the latinos would go for Obama when Kennedy endorsed him - that didn't happen.

Richardson couldn't even get votes for himself, how can he help Obama?

Posted by: Grace | March 23, 2008 8:40 PM

chula:

Barrack Obama, an amazing man capable of being in Miami for a speech and Chicago for a sermon simultaneously, should be elected immediately for possessing these extraordinary powers.

With these powers, he can have an 8-year agenda wrapped up in one term, allowing Hillary to run in 2012.

Posted by: asja | March 23, 2008 8:41 PM

"I am very loyal to the Clintons," said Richardson, but he said he wanted something beyond "Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton." "You know, what about the rest of us?" he asked.
___________________________________

THE REST??? THERE IS NO "REST"!

Posted by: harried | March 23, 2008 8:42 PM

I WONDER HOW MANY RACE CARDS THIS WILL ADD TO OBAMA'S DECK -- CHICAGO -- The new pastor of Barack Obama's church delivered a defiant defense of its retiring reverend Sunday, comparing media coverage of Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. to a modern-day lynching that resembles Jesus' death at the hands of the Romans. In a sunrise Easter sermon, Rev. Otis Moss III implied that his mentor, who has delivered sermons in which he likened the U.S. to the Ku Klux Klan and declared it damned for its "state-sponsored terrorism," is facing the same challenges Jesus did."No one should start a ministry with lynching, no one should end their ministry with lynching," Moss said. "The lynching was national news. The RNN, the Roman News Network, was reporting it and NPR, National Publican Radio had it on the radio. The Jerusalem Post and the Palestine Times all wanted exclusives, they searched out the young ministers, showed up unannounced at their houses, tried to talk with their families, called up their friends, wanted to get a quote on how do you feel about the lynching?" he continued.

Posted by: Fred | March 23, 2008 8:42 PM

Let's not forget that Bill Bubba Clinton was Impeached. I can't believe how short the memory is of the American people! Bill lied under oath - unless you believe that oral sex is not having sexual relations with a women. SO why anyone would support Billery now is beyond me.

Posted by: tsaw | March 23, 2008 8:42 PM

It will not do that arrogant phony Democrat
loser and racist Barack Obama a bit of good
and that goes for the endorsement of Obama
by that fat Democrat has been and career
political hack Bill Richardson,or any of
the rest of the phony Democrat has beens
like Sen John Kerry,Sen and lush Teddy
Kennedy,Sen Chris Dodd and Nutty Nancy
Pelosi as well as DNC Chairman village
idiot Howard Dean to try to steal tne 2008
Democratic Presidential Nomination for that
lying fraud phony Barack Obama as the fact
remains Obama Fake Message of Hope was
a joke designed to con all the kool aid
drinker Obama Cultist Looney Toons and our
lazy Liberal Newsmedia and so Obama has
self destructed his own campaigm and even
killed it and needs to drop out of the
campaign and resign from the US Senate
after we saw the real Barack Hussein Obama
and found how what a phony and joke he
is as well.

Posted by: Sandy5274 | March 23, 2008 8:43 PM

What most of the articles about Bill Clinton's statement on two people running for president who are very patriotic miss is his last line, "and that's why I'm supporting her."
Sounds very much to me that he meant just what Obama's people have said, that only Hillary and McCain are patriotic, not Obama. It is not the first time that the two have been compared. Hillary herself said that she and McCain are C in C ready, dissing Obama, who she says isn't experienced enough, but should be her vice-president. So if he is not experienced enough to be president, how is he experienced enough to be next in line should she suddenly fall out of the picture?
Obama has never said anything negative about Hillary personally, never said she would not be a good president, never said she wasn't ready to be C in C, only, like any politician, he does come down on her Iraq vote and policies
And Barack Obama's speech did do him well. Where he fell behind early last week, by the end of the week he was again in a dead heat with Hillary.
Oh, and more and more of Hillary's tales (don't want to say she outright lied) about her trip to Bosnia and negotiating the Northern Ireland treaty are being scrutinized. She is embarassing herself majorly.

Posted by: mike l | March 23, 2008 8:44 PM

When Obama lowers the speed limit to 55,

This in turn will create a world wide oil Glut,

Lowering the price of gas to $1.25 a gallon,

You will be kissing his,

Well, you know where this is going..........

If Bush wasn't a slave to his Arab masters,

He might grow a pair do this on his own.

But, Chaney would never allow it,

And George never was that smart let's face it,

Even Bill's old lady probably would,

To bad she's not going to get the chance.


Posted by: ken | March 23, 2008 8:44 PM

To Mr Farfalle44 above.
Nice try. Your pro-Hillary/McCain and anti-Obama bias is so not subtle. I used to live in Abu Dhabi / Dubai as well as in all the other Gulf countries for over 16 years and know the region and people inside out. They are smarter and more secular (non-fundamentalist) than you give them credit for. They know whch canbdidate is teh best bet for the rest of the world, whether or not the Americans know what is good for their own country. Americans like me have been living and working there for decades and most US companies have made out like bandits. if the "Emiratis" (the prevalent term is "nationals") hated the Americans, they did not have to do a 9/11. They could slaughter those who live there. Also , there were 19 hijackers not 18. And as many as 11 were Saudis. One of the terrorist leaders, Mohammed Ata (Eyptian), received wired funds from Dubai ( it is one of the world's biggest financial and banking centers - so no surprise there). There were no Emirati hijackers. If I were the Sheikh of Dubai, I would sue your pants off.



Posted by: Shiv Kumar | March 23, 2008 8:44 PM

What's the matter, Anonymous? Are you afraid to reveal yourself? Did I strike a nerve? Sorry, but someone who wraps himself in 8 flags and says "god bless America" for the first time after he's caught in a lie isn't exactly my idea of an ideal presidential candidate, because I absolutely DO call Obama's patriotism into question, his and his wife's! That's quite apart from his empty resume and all the rest of his negatives, which are too numerous for me to go into each one here.

The Arab world understandably would be HUGELY overjoyed at an Obama presidency-and it is precisely because that "Hussein" is in his name; they would see that as a turnabout in our policies in the Middle East, rightly or wrongly-from someone who doesn't know the first thing about what is going on there-very very dangerous situation to think of Obama in charge of ME policy-too dangerous for me to even contemplate!

One thing is for sure, if Obama is the Dem. candidate, this Dem and all the others I know WILL vote for McCain-I trust McCain, just like I trust Hillary-I KNOW how respected she is, all over the world, I see her picture, in Thailand, in India, in Nepal in Morocco, in the Middle East-all over the world, the Clintons are held in the highest esteem. But as far as the fraudster Obama goes, I wouldn't trust that man not to throw his own grandmother under the bus-oh wait! that's right! he already DID throw his grandmother under the bus, didn't he? Before a world wide audience!

Posted by: FARFALLE44 | March 23, 2008 8:44 PM


You know funny thing is ......Richardson has said from the very beginning that Obama doesn't have the experience needed for a President.

So I am going to listen to Richardson original advice...OBAMA DOESN'T HAVE THE EXPERIENCE NEEDED FOR A PRESIDENT.

So I will be voting for Hillary!

Posted by: Ann | March 23, 2008 8:44 PM

for any of you who are genuinely disturbed about the Wright affair--rather than just seizing on Fox News talking points to prove what you already believe--you really should look at longer excerpts of Wright's sermons. He is clearly not the horrible America-hater you'd think from the short clips that have been shown.

Posted by: seth.bullock53@gmail.com | March 23, 2008 8:47 PM

Yes. Obama won many states in a row. They are all small states that will vote repulican anyway. Who won California, Mass, NY, NJ, FLorida, Ohio, Texas, Michigan (and will win Penn)... Think about it...
McCain will beat Obama 68 / 30% easy....

Forget about the fact he is unpatriotic and belongs to a racist church... So it is like this for me. Obama, you had me at hello... You lost me when I heard your spiritual advisor bash America. Are there problems with Racism in America? There sure are.. but things are getting better. It is time for the African American people to step up. Listen to Charles Barkley or Bill Cosby.

Frankly race had zero input on how I felt about you. That is until I found out how un-American you really are.

Hey Michelle . I will be proud of my country when I vote for McCain and listen to your husband's concession speech. For the 1st time your proud of your country? Are you kidding me. What a joke you are.

Posted by: justathought.. | March 23, 2008 8:47 PM

Reading this slime, particularly from the Clinton side, all I can say is, you people deserved George Bush.

Posted by: Edward L Corey | March 23, 2008 8:49 PM

Looks like we will be looking to stayiing in Iraq for 100 years because if the Clintons steal this election I will be voting for McCain. Obama should let her have the Democratic election and run as third party candidate and call it the Party For Change, this would split the vote between the two parties and with a strong minority vote and people who want change he probably could win election. If he dosn't at least we want have another Clinton in the White House.

Posted by: Devin's Words | March 23, 2008 8:49 PM

I believe Obama is a good person.

I believe Obama is honest.

I believe Obama cares about America.

I believe Obama cares about the misuse of our military and the mistreatment of our veterans.

I believe Obama will lower taxes for middle and low income families and will end the tax breaks to the rich who do not need them.

I believe Obama will end tax breaks to companies that take American jobs overseas and give tax incentives to companies investing at home.

I believe Obama knows the perilous effects of a Government paralyzed by special interests (how much profit did oil companies have last quarter and how much will be put into lobbying?)

I believe Obama is a proactive individual who seeks to get meaningful legislation passed and reaches out very well across party lines to get it done (Lugar/Obama Bill)

I believe Obama demonstrates leadership in the winds of adversity (how bad is the tirade of racism and how well spoken was he in his speech on race?)

I believe Obama speaks to voters like they are adults - not telling them what they necessarily want to hear but more importantly what they need to know in order for change to occur (he needs our support - he knows he cant do it alone or if the 'clouds open up')

I believe Obama is more than just his words, as powerfully motivating as they are, he truly has a gift for diplomacy - something this country has sorely lacked over the last 2 terms. He will strengthen our existing alliances, and bring new allies in. He will boost the pride of our great nation to new heights in the International community.

He has my support.
He has my prayers.

He has my vote.

Cynthia Taylor, Spring Lake, PA

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 8:49 PM

Is anyone curious about why people who used to be allied to the Clintons (Richardson, Kennedy, Kerry, etc.) are endorsing Obama? There is something out there...

As usual, most of the posts are more notable for their anger and ignorance than for their honesty or thoughtfulness.

Posted by: steves2 | March 23, 2008 8:50 PM

Javalation...

Thank you for the wonderful Lanston Hughes poem.

The stuggle goes on. I believe only one candidate, Barack Obama, has shown the grasp of history, the tolerance of humanity, and the maturity of years beyond his time on this planet, to lead us forward in the "perfecting of the nation". I am not a religious man, but I pray he will succeed. We need him badly.

Posted by: Dan Casali | March 23, 2008 8:50 PM

Is anyone curious about why people who used to be allied to the Clintons (Richardson, Kennedy, Kerry, etc.) are endorsing Obama? There is something out there...

As usual, most of the posts are more notable for their anger and ignorance than for their honesty or thoughtfulness.

Posted by: steves2 | March 23, 2008 8:50 PM

RICHARDSON IS ANOTHER LOSER LIKE KERRY AND OTHERS. THEY THINK BY SUPPORTING OBAMA (ANOTHER LOSER) THEY CAN COME BACK IN 2012 AND RIDING THE WAVES OF BLACK ANGER TO THE WHITE HOUSE

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 8:50 PM

The "theology" that Wright teaches at his church is nothing like Christianity as most people understand it. The brand of theology which Wright has been teaching Obama and the others at his church is called "black liberation theology." Wright admits this and it is stated on the church's website. Black theology is based upon the premise of the white oppressor against the black oppressed. This is why, for example, that Wright refers to Jesus as black, and his killers as white. This is the only way the story of Jesus fits within this brand of "theology." Rev. Wright cites James Cone, another proponent of black liberation theology, as his theological inspiration. Here are just a couple of James Cone's quotes: (1) "To be Christian is to be one of those whom God has chosen. God has chosen black people." (2) "While it is true that blacks do hate whites, black hatred is not racism." (3) "All white men are responsible for white oppression." (4) "Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man "the devil." (5) "If there is any contemporary meaning of the Antichrist, the white church seems to be a manifestation of it." (6) "Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love." *** These teachings are fundamentally racist and divisive. Obama has chosen to belong to this racist church for 20 years, and now because of exposure by the press, he tries to fool the American public once again.

Posted by: Fred | March 23, 2008 8:51 PM

PLease Dems
Make sure Obama gets the nomination....
Please please please....
I don't have enough cash to beat Hillary.

Posted by: JOHN MCCAIN | March 23, 2008 8:52 PM

dklfjda writes:
"Richardson is a fat, ugly traitor"

Whatever side of the debate we are on and however fervent our support is for our man or woman, this kind of comment by DKLFJDA is over the top and has no bearing to the debate about who is better qualify to be president. Calling somebody "fat and ugly" contributes nothing to the debate and of course does not advance ones argument by an inch.

How can we justify our democratic credentials by stifling voices of dissension from the other side? I don't claim to hold the moral high ground but I will never use abusive words against another man or woman just because he or she happens to support the other side.

Please let us be decent and respectful in our comments about others whether or not they belong to the other side of the political spectrum is immaterial.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 8:52 PM

It is humorous to see how the Hillary fans are piling onto Richardson, especially when you think about how they would have crowed had he gone the other way.

Posted by: seth.bullock53@gmail.com | March 23, 2008 8:53 PM

Hillary needs to step aside for the good of the party. She is behind in every measurable area and the path to her nomination will split the party for a very long time. Clinton touting experience is embarassing; her success comes only on the coat tails of her husband. Perhaps Laura Bush should run for Senator in California then try to make a go for the presidency in 2016 citing 35 years of public service experience as former first lady of Texas and then of the US. Experience is not either candidates strongest point. Leadership is the quality the country needs to consider. To date, based on this primary season, Obama has displayed this is abundance while Clinton has wavered and fussed when her entitled position built by the political machine faltered. Obama's recent 'race;' speech exemplified leadership (political points too). Rather than counter-punch to Rev Wright attacks he put the subject on the table for the country to discuss candidly. He chose the high road. After 16 years of BS (Clinton-Bush II), the country needs a gifted speaker to heal the great wounds that divide us and at least attempt to treat everybody in the country as citizens, not just as democrats or republicans. Hillary please do the right thing and save your ego for the Senate.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 8:53 PM

Justathought is right, if McCain goes against Obama, it will be a landslide win for McCain -- Obama is not going to carry any of the red states he is using to get the nomination. This is as clear as the hair on Bill Richardson's back. Hillary is the only choice for anyone who wants a Dem win.

Posted by: SpiderMike | March 23, 2008 8:53 PM

How could anyone forget Monica. The repugnants spent 80 thousand to come up with a stained dress. His impeachement is laughable considering the 1000 lies that the current administration has told. And exactly why hasn't Bush been impeached, because the Democratic congress isn't like the republicans that were out to get Clinton from the time he started running for president. How dare a democrat run against a corrupt republican nominee and beat him, not once but twice.

Posted by: Go Clinton | March 23, 2008 8:54 PM

Bravo to Bill (Richardson)! It takes a lot of guts to stand up for what's good for America, rather than tow the line for the Clinton dynasty.
Anyone got a clip of Bill Clinton's actual remarks? The words need to be put into full context, but at first glance even I would read the code as "keep the contest to between 2 white people, rather than give it to the black dude, who may or may not love this country". He needs to stop these innuendos and come out with a clear statement supporting Obama's patriotism.

Posted by: FLRepublican | March 23, 2008 8:55 PM

Nice opinion, Spider Mike. But most polls have consistently shown Obama beating McCain in more states than Clinton would beat him. He takes all of Clinton's blue states and moves other states into the blue column.

Watch the opinions of the candidates who would benefit from his presence at the top of the ticket.

And, just for grins, look up the last time the the shorter, older candidate who was for the status quo beat the taller, younger candidate who was for change.

never mind 100 years of war.

never mind "I don't know much about economics"

never mind "Shia, Sunni, whatever"

Posted by: Seth Bullock | March 23, 2008 8:57 PM

OBAMA IS A RACE MAN. HE THINKS BECAUSE HIS FATHER IS A KENYA AND HIS MOTHER IS WHITE, THAT'S ENOUGH FOR HIM. SO FAR THIS HAS WORKED FOR HIM. ANYONE WHO SAYS HE HAS NO EXPERIENCE TO BE PRESIDENT IS ATTACKED AS A RACIST! THIS LINE IS WEARING THING AS BAMAN HIMSELF HAS BEEN UNCOVERED AS A RACE MAN (MALCOLM X IS HIS HERO, WRIGHT IS HIS PASTOR)

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 8:59 PM

The reason Richardson is endorsing Obama is because he wants to be the VP. Think about it. How is Obama going to elected without the Hispanic vote? Hey Richardson, how did you do in your quest for the nomination? I think you had less than zero percent (if that is possible).

The key is John Edwards. He carries credibility.
McCain 68 Obama 30%

Posted by: justathought.. | March 23, 2008 9:00 PM

More proof of the racial battle going on in the Democrat Party.

If Richardson does not want to get involved in gutter politics, perhaps he should not take easy cheap shots at the Clinton campaign.

As for the Clinton's, they deserve what they get for sponsoring this lightweight in the past.

Yes, the Democrat Primary is about race and not much of anything of substance.

It has taken the Democrats several decades to create this mess, but they seem to have finally gotten it done.

Congratulations Democrat Party!

Posted by: thall1 | March 23, 2008 9:01 PM


Anyone that would compare Pastor Wright to Jesus...on Easter Sunday is out of their mind!!!!

Jesus never would have said the victims of 911 deserved to die.

Jesus would never want you to hate white-americans.

Jesus would never promote hate towards the Jews.

Jesus would never try to fill your hearts with hatred and racism.

This just shows that Obamas new pastor...isn't that far from the Old Pastor.

Obama needs to go...Americans will vote NO for Obama in November.

Posted by: chula | March 23, 2008 9:02 PM

The Clinton's simply get what they've given the people...nothing! The American people are tired of the lies and the games they play.

Posted by: Tyler | March 23, 2008 9:02 PM

So svreader, Obama is in charge of heating Chicago? People in the USA froze to death under the Clinton adminstration, so Bill is a murderer, too, and Hillary helped him?
God, I cannot believe som eof the imbecilic rants that get posted. If they weren't so funny they'd be sad.
If Obama was as bad as you say, how did he get re-elected to the Ill. senate and to the US senate. Oh wait, he fogged everyone's will with magic dust, a concoction that he learned as a baby living in Indonesia where they eat Christian babies and hatched a nefarious plan 40 years ago to make Obama president.
Now, do I sound as looney as you guys or will you actually believe this. On second thought, you probably will. This will show up in somebody's post later.

Posted by: mike l | March 23, 2008 9:03 PM

farfalle44:

Aren't we all anonymous on this post? I mean, noone's using their full names... Anyways, I digress...

I'm curious about why you hate Obama so much... Its a bit strange for a Hillary supporter to elicit the virtues of the republican candidate over the democratic opponent. I mean, you are pretty convincingly making an argument for McCain, over both Obama AND Hillary. (Especially if the difference between Hillary and Obama is experience, well, McCain has hillary beat hands down on experience).

Its a fact that Obama and Hillary are virtually identical on the issues. So I would assume that your hatred for Obama is based on something other than their policy positions. Experience? An extra 3 years in the Senate really doesn't make much of a difference. And we are seeing that the white house years aren't amounting to as much as hillary has been implying (sniper fire? really?) so tell me, what is it about Obama that makes you HATE him so much? (And don't say its because he threw grandma under the bus...that anecdote is in his book, published back in 1996.)

Let's say Hillary wins. Why should an undecided, or an Obama supporter, or more importantly, an independent, vote for Hillary, when you make such forceful arguments in support of McCain?

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 9:04 PM

hey justathought:
I'm thoroughly enjoying this forum, because ignorant remarks abound -remarks very easy to refute with facts.

Here's the latest one from justathought,
...Yes. Obama won many states in a row. They are all small states that will vote repulican (sic) anyway.Who won California, Mass, NY, NJ, FLorida, Ohio, Texas, Michigan (and will win Penn)... Think about it...

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I got news for you:

In the 13 largest delegate contests in this election, Obama beat Hillary 8-5. Assuming you add in PA, MI and FL, the best you get is 8-8.

State . . . . . . . Obama . . . . . . . .Clinton
California . . .2,126,000 . . . . . . .2,553,000
Texas . . . . . 1,358,000 . . . . . . .1,459,000
New York. . . . . 698,000 . . . . . . .1,003,000
Illinois. . . . 1,302,000 . . . . . . . .662,000
Ohio . . . . . . 982,000. . . . . . . 1,212,000
Georgia . . . . . 704,000 . . . . . . . .330,000
New Jersey. . . . 492,000 . . . . . . . .603,000
Virginia . . . . 627,000 . . . . . . . .350,000
Washington . . . 354,000 . . . . . . . .316,000
Massachusetts . . . . 512,000 . . . . . . . .705,000
Minnesota . . . . 142,000 . . . . . . . .69,000
Missouri . . . . 405,000 . . . . . . . .395,000
Wisconsin . . . . 646,000 . . . . . . . .453,000

Total of Big 13 . . . . . 10,348,000 . . . . . . .10,108,000
Popular Vote...13.4 million... 12.7 million
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California . . . 167 . . . . . . 203
Texas . . . . . 99 . . . . 94
New York . . . . . 93 . . . . 139
Illinois. . . . 104 . . . 49
Ohio . . . . . . 66. . . 75
Georgia . . . . . 60 . . . 27
New Jersey. . . . 48 . . . . 59
Virginia . . . . 54 . . . . 29
Washington . . . 53 . . . 25
Massachusetts ... 38 ...55
Minnesota ... 48 ... 24
Missouri ...36 ...36
Wisconsin ...34 ...29
Total . . . . . 900 . . . 844

In the overall contest to March 10th, majority of Obama's delegate lead comes from beating Hillary in the aggregate of the 13 largest contests 8-5. Maybe someone crazy will claim these 13 states are overwhelmingly African American. These stats deal with the "black voter theory", the "unelectable theory" the "caucuses theory", the "small states theory" the patronizing "vice president theory". Enough said.

The media is trying to make this race seem closer than it really is. The truth is, Clinton can still win but it really is going to take a lot, especially if she doesn't beat Obama by more than 25 points in PA and 20 points in every contest after that. Don't hate on Obama for being more organized when it counted, Hillary let her campaign down by sorta falling asleep in February and she's paying for it now.

You don't have to vote Obama to change America for the better. Change starts within you and your community. Support him if you think he's the better candidate.

Posted by: asja | March 23, 2008 9:04 PM

I support Senator Hillary Clinton for President.Keep moving forward.
This is a presidential primary. All the way to the convention. Latinos with Senator Clinton.

Posted by: Maria | March 23, 2008 9:05 PM

Ha Ha Ha! Shiv, you're Indian right? So of course you work in Dubai, I'm sure you're treated wonderfully there, in contrast to all your fellow worker citizens who are treated like dogs -but oops! we're not supposed to talk about that, now are we?

As for your facts on 9/11, unfortunately, they're not quite right. You see TWO OF THE HIJACKERS WERE FROM THE UAE: THAT WOULD BE MARWAN AL-SHEHHI, THE HIJACKER PILOT OF UNITED FLIGHT 175, AND THE MUSCLEMAN FAYEZ BANI-HAMMAD ON THAT SAME FLIGHT-THE TWO UAE'S WERE TOGETHER, YOU SEE. And you are quite right about the financial transactions of 9/11 taking place in Dubai, except you don't go far enough: MANY, NOT JUST ONE, OF THE FINANCIAL TRANSACTIONS BETWEEN THE HIJACKERS TOOK PLACE IN GOOD OLD DUBAI, UAE.

So, I hate to burst your bubble, but Dubai is not exactly what you are trying to make it out to be: IN FACT, IT IS WELL KNOWN THAT DUBAI AND THE UAE ARE VERY SERIOUS AREAS OF CONCERN FOR FUTURE TERRORIST ATTACKS! Yes, I'm afraid so.

And as for Sheikh Al Maktoum, he with his 15 odd children by his senior wife, and his 1 child by his junior wife wants to "sue the pants off me" me as you put it, then I guess he with his billions can come and find me, now can't he? God, what a perfectly weird idiot you sound, Shiv! I think you've let too much sand get in your ears over there in Dubai, and it has fogged your brain! Perhaps you need to get back to Kerala, for a breath of fresh air! But one thing is for sure, Barack HUSSEIN Obama is very much admired in this part of the world, and that too, gives me great pause for concern!

Posted by: FARFALLE44 | March 23, 2008 9:05 PM

Once again to the poster (or impostor)FARFALLE44:
Your rabid, irrational, mendacious and tendentious outpourings are not helping your cause. How many buildings, homes did you peek into while in India ? I have been inside thousands upon thousands (my native country) and I have never ever seen a single picture of Bill or Hillary. Why are you misleading your non-world-traveling compatriots? Bill and Hillary have taken millions in donations (cash and kind) from two Indians, Mr. Sant Chatwal and Mr. Vinod Gupta whose ethics and motives have been called into question. Mr Gupta even slept in the Lincoln bedroom.(Google themm to learn more). A vast majority of the 1.2 billion Indians are praying for an Obama victory. They are not just smart in Mathematics, Science, IT et al. They are also politically savvy and know what is good for the world. You are being ignorant by choice.

Posted by: Shiv Kumar | March 23, 2008 9:07 PM

Senator Barack Obama has won 30 contests to Clinton's 14. He has acquired 1,418 delegates to her 1,251. Calling several states that Clinton won, the swing states is just more spin added to an endless string of misinformation and smear attempts against Senator Obama. Clinton's claims to foreign policy experience has been widely disputed by those actually involved in Bosnia and Ireland for example. Here is the latest on just one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It6JN7ALF7Y&eurl=http://shootingsparks.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Katy7540 | March 23, 2008 9:08 PM

Has everone who supports Obama googled his name and read about his senate record in Illinois. As an Illinoisan, I can assure you he didn't do squat for anyone south of Springfield. He was a typical Chicago politician. I think Robertson has his sight set on VP. I'm sorry, I don't care how well Obama can speak, a speech should not be a person's reasoning for choosing a candidate. It may seem cliche, but actions do speak louder than words. I could write the best speech, story, poem, or book, but I am by no means ready to make the decisions that affect the citizens of the country, and in my opinion, neither is Obama. Obama's arrogances will rub many the wrong way. He is not the messiah that he thinks he is.

Posted by: Nobama | March 23, 2008 9:08 PM

anyone who says they will switch from Clinton to Macain if Obama is the democratic nominee must be a questionable democrat to begin with.

Posted by: ralph | March 23, 2008 9:09 PM

On the polls versus McCain - a reality check for McCain supporters (cough):

How many Republican nominees are there? (Only one for polling purposes)

How many democratic nominees are there? (well two of course)

Now the results of the polls - lets give this some thought ... Clinton supporters might say Clinton would beat McCain, Obama supporters might say Obama would beat McCain. Now is the converse true? Would Clinton supporters SAY Obama would beat McCain (probably not if they are loyal) Would Obama supporters say Clinton would beat McCain? (again probably not if they are loyal)

The reality should scare the Republicans once there is finally a definitive Democratic Nominee (especially if its Obama with his ability to really grow cash from the grassroots) Once you get the Democratic loyalty split to converge (hopefully with minimal fallout) - i think Republicans are in for a serious rude awakening. 2/3 to 3/4 of this coutry think Iraq is a bad idea and staying there is a worse idea.

Think about that next time you see a McCain vs poll... its not as close as you might think it is.

Cythia Taylor, Spring Lake, PA

Posted by: C Taylor | March 23, 2008 9:09 PM

Seth Bullock ..
I disagree.
The polls show McCain beating Obama by 10% right now. Believe me... That will increase. 50 percent of Hillary voters simply will not vote for Obama.

Florida and Ohio are the 2 Key states. How did Obama do there? Not well. Look at California with a republican governor. Do you agree if that goes red the election is a landslide? Who won there?

If the Dems want to win Hillary is the only choice. I don't think that is going to happen. I think we are headed for 4 more years of aggressive wars and arrogance in the Whitehouse.

I do think McCain will not spend like the drunken sailor W did....

Posted by: justathought.. | March 23, 2008 9:10 PM

POLL NUMBERS DON'T TELL US MUCH. Other than we have to work harder... speaking for my candidate Hillary Clinton, and all of her supporters (including myself).

For those who feel it is important and want to take the time, you can track daily polling numbers between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama on the following site, by just following the prompts: www.Gallup.com.

Note: Gallup publishes the following as to Survey Methods on this matter.

Gallup is interviewing no fewer than 1,000 U.S. adults nationwide each day during 2008. Note (for example) for results for a March 22nd, the Democratic nomination results are based on combined data from March 19-21, 2008.

For results based on a sample of 1,264 Democratic and Democratic-leaning voters, the maximum margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points. In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls.

To receive Gallup Poll Daily tracking reports each day as soon as they are published, please register here and add Gallup Daily to your e-mail subscriptions

NOTE from this writer: Gallup is saying there can be a 6% overall error from the sampling. That is understandable.

In the Gallup website, one can see the poll numbers between Clinton and Obama have been very close since super Tuesday in February when Hillary Clinton made such a strong showing, in fact Clinton was ahead of Obama for several weeks in early February. This contest is so close, the numbers will probably stay close from now until the convention in August, where this matter will end up eventually being decided.

Further note. The numbers Gallup is showing are all within their own margin of error. For example, on March 16th, they show Clinton at 47, and Obama at 45. A few days later it was Clinton 49, and Obama 42. For 3/22, Clinton is 45, and Obama is 48. What these numbers show us is only one thing - this is a tight race - it's seesawing back and forth -- and won't be decided until the August Convention.

In the meantime, I intend to do everything I can to help build up Hillary Clinton's numbers.

Thank you.

Posted by: Common Sense12 | March 23, 2008 9:11 PM

Chula,

What a bunch of nonsense you are selling.

Wright never said the victims of 911 deserved to die.

Wright never promoted hate of white-americans.

Wright never promoted hate towards the Jews.

Can you do any thinking at all for yourself, or do you work entirely from Fox talking points?

Posted by: Seth Bullock | March 23, 2008 9:11 PM

Sorry Seth, there is no way Obama takes a state like New York in light of the recent revelations about his church. Jews are not going to vote for another "Hymietown" candidate! Obama is going down in flames and he is going to take the Dem party with him unless Hillary can save the day.

Posted by: Spider Mike | March 23, 2008 9:12 PM

justathought:

how is john edwards the credible one? hasn't he flip flopped on more important issues than all of the candidates COMBINED? Didn't this one term, former Senator with ZERO legislative accomplishments start running for the presidency after his 3rd year in the US Senate, just like obama?

In fact, how is he any different from Obama? Other than that he mistakenly voted for the Iraq war because he thought it would be good for his presidential run?

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 9:12 PM

I think it is time for some critical thinking. We cannot succumb to the frenzy created by the media. We are a hypocritical nation at best. Here are a few examples:

Do we really think that Barack Obama is a racist and anti-American? This is such a conspiracy driven context that is at best, laughable. He is a walking example of how truth battles with complexity. For all of the groundless accusations of he, his pastor, and his judgment, it is amazing that he still believes in a better America.We love labeling with ignorance the things we do not understand. He stands by his church and pastor, we say he is anti-American but he still stands by America when it has sought to discredit the very fabric of who he is.

Do we really believe that if HRC was in his position mathematically, that she would be for MI & FL? Let's understand the hurtful truth. She knew they would not count and said so WHEN she was the obvious nominee. But as the American people would have it, she is behind. NOW it is Obama's will to disenfranchise voters. This is hypocrisy.

I believe all of them are patriots- shaped by their experiences of interacting with this concept called America. As far as experience goes, there is no real experience for the Executive Branch. You learn the presidency when you become the President. The complexity of everyday evolutions in the world alters campaign promises and speeches. So what are we saying? What do we really want? Myles Munroe is poignant when he says "When we simply focus on the immediate, we become slaves to the ultimate."

Posted by: Dr. Smith | March 23, 2008 9:13 PM

Seth,

Republicans are not voting for Obama but against Hillary. Obama will not carry those red states. Because he chooses to disenfrancise voters in FL and MI, he will pay the price. Also, don't expect states like PA and Ohio with all their blue-collar workers to support him. Obama needs Hillary voters to win in November. There will be a significant number of Hillary voters not supporting Obama in the general. I hope the superdelegates are smart enough to choose her. If that does not happen than we can defeat Obama and Hillary can win in 2012.

His supporters speak hatred and call fellow Democrats racist because we prefer Hillary. Obama can give a great speech but his views towards Jews will hurt him as well as his radical religious views on black values doctrine. I just want to make sure you do not get your hopes to high because Obama's fall from politics will be swift.

Posted by: skinsfan1978 | March 23, 2008 9:16 PM

anyone who says they will switch from Clinton to Macain if Obama is the democratic nominee must be a questionable democrat to begin with.

Posted by: ralph
____________________________________________

Do you see Michelle and Barack as questionable Democrats. Michelle has stated that she would have a real hard time voting for Clinton if she won the primary. Obama stated that Clinton supporters should vote for him, because he did not think his supporters would vote for her but her's would vote for him. The bonehead said it. Surely you are not going to vote for a questionable Dem are you?

Posted by: Chief | March 23, 2008 9:17 PM

Hey Common Sense12:
I appreciate your comment.
Hillary is my second choice, and I will support her in the election if Obama loses the nomination. These forums are full of so many posts that don't advance reasoned arguments that it feels like warfare.

In truth, Hillary would have celebrated Richardson's endorsement as a big event if she had won it. If she wins the nomination and her advisors have trashed him, how is he going to feel campaigning for her. This is what I find really troubling about the people advising Senator Clinton at this point.

The nomination really was hers to lose, and the way it looks, she may not have been experienced and organized in fighting for elected office (individually) as Obama was. She relied too much on a network that showed crucial cracks at critical times.

Posted by: asja | March 23, 2008 9:17 PM

Yeah, that's what gutter politics looks like. Bill Richardson has now joined the ranks of those who see the problem. It's all smiling and homebaked cookies until you get you get on the wrong side of it.

He would've been a useful ally, but now it's time for the Clinton team to tear his integrity to shreds at the cost of only a slightly accelerated decline of their own.

Posted by: Grimmix | March 23, 2008 9:17 PM

Why don't you read the articles and watch the videos.

If Obama gets the nomination, you hear about this 24/7.

You'll even get to read the book.

And see the pictures for yourself.

Posted by: sveader | March 23, 2008 9:18 PM

Seth is absolutely right. its interesting the so-called democrats would regurgitate Sean Hannity talking points in an effort to take down one of their own.

spidermike: how does Hillary win independents who, as Hillary has stated, have vetted her and already concluded that they hate her?

Why should Obama supporters, after being insulted and demeaned as idealistic, naive, latte-sipping, race-card playing elitists vote for Hillary if she wins?

Why should independents vote for her when (a) they most likely already hate her and (b) they hear her stating that John McCain would make a great president because of his experience?

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 9:18 PM

asja
As I said...many Hillary voters will not vote for Obama.
When McCain adds Romney as his running mate it will attack even more conservatives.
As a democrat leaning independent McCain is actually someone I like.

Sorry to say, but unless Obama impresses me with his running mate I will be pulling a republican ballot. I don't think I am in the minority.

Posted by: justathought.. | March 23, 2008 9:18 PM


WHERE CAN WE GET A REFUND ON OUR OBAMA VOTE?


REASON FOR REFUND:

1. Fraud
2. Phoney campaigning
3. LIED
4. Not electable in November.

WOULD YOU PREFER A REFUND OR ANOTHER OBAMA SPEECH:

Refund!! The sooner the better, and Please no more lectures!

Posted by: Ann | March 23, 2008 9:20 PM

I can confirm the depth of anger Mainstream Democrats feel towards Obama and his supporters.

We will not vote for Obama in any capacity whatsoever.

Neither will anyone else once they hear about what he did in Chicago.

The truth will be the end of Barry Obama.

He's the biggest con-man in US political history.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 9:22 PM

For Spider:

You are seriously nuts if you think New York is going to vote Republican.

The reason Obama looks like he's a bit behind McCain right now is that he has Clinton and McCain double-teaming him. Maybe she shouldn't face reality and drop out--but she could at least try and keep it clean for the sake of the party.

For Skinsfan--But if you've been watching lately, it's Hillary who's been getting votes from Republicans who are afraid of Obama. what do you know about Obama's "attitude toward the Jews"? The Jews I know like him.

Posted by: Seth Bullock | March 23, 2008 9:22 PM

How can the primary be a true representation without FL and MI. Before the states even voted, the media was saying that the contest wouldn't count but they would have time to hold a legitimate primary so the peoples voice could be heard. If my state wasn't being counted because of stupid DNC policies, I'd be outraged. If the republicans deligates were seated then something needs to correct the idiotic rule that was made. If something is broke, fix it.

Posted by: nomorednc | March 23, 2008 9:23 PM

Do we really think that Barack Obama is a racist and anti-American? This is such a conspiracy driven context that is at best, laughable.
Posted by: Seth Bullock
=============================================

I'll tell you one damn thing. There are millions of American voters that are not laughing. This is no joking matter.

Posted by: Chief | March 23, 2008 9:23 PM

FARFALLE44 's statements to shiv kumar are bigoted and offensive. Telling an American to go back to some other place because of his/her surname is just shameful. It's the stuff 7-year olds with ignorant parents do.

My ancestors didn't come here on the Mayflower and that doesn't make me any better or worse American than any other American.

You don't have to vote Obama to change America for the better. Support him if you think he's the better candidate. You can be Republican and fight racism, a Democrat and deny racism or even commit it. FARFALLE44, if you're considering leaving the Democrats to vote McCain over Obama, McCain wont appreciate your vote if you stand up and tell Indian Americans to go back to Kerala.

Posted by: asja | March 23, 2008 9:25 PM

Seth --

I seriously doubt that.

We're not big fans of Louis Farakhan.

Rev Wright named him "Man of the Year"

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 9:25 PM

Seth

Unlike yourself, I have watched all the videos and I know exactly what Pastor Wright was doing....promoting hatred.

He has no shame and neither does anyone who defends that guy.

If you want to put your head in the sand and pretend it wasn't said because your ego won't let you admit that you were wrong about Obama...That's your choice.

The rest of us will act responsibly and vote NO for Obama.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 9:26 PM

Peace to all. I hope who ever wins can fix some of the problems that the Bush administration has gotten us in to.

If there are any Bush republicans in here trying to stir things up... I hope you sleep well knowing you elected the worst president in history!

Posted by: justathought.. | March 23, 2008 9:26 PM

Now, now, shiv, take a deep breath and go pray to one of more of you many gods. India is a third world country posing as more. As long as you have the caste system, you are no better than muslims, who are detestable. You were better off when you were a colony.

Posted by: Michael1945 | March 23, 2008 9:26 PM

Oh, SVReader, I was worried you weren't around. You are confirming the "anger" of mainstream democrats? More like the sour grapes of a few inexplicably committed to going down with the ship.

Hey, I wanted to ask--how much does the Clinton campaign owe you? I see that they seem to owe vendors some $7 million...

Posted by: Seth Bullock | March 23, 2008 9:26 PM

They don't pay me anything, but I'll make a donation in honor of you.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 9:28 PM

It is so boneheaded for anyone to claim the blacks won't vote for her, the hispanics won't vote for him, the jews won't vote....blah, blah, blah The same people who criticize for stereotyping are probably the people who say these things. Vote on issues, common beliefs, and what your candidate will do for our country.

Posted by: Clintoncandoit | March 23, 2008 9:28 PM

"Go Clinton," the Bush administration told 935 lies to get us into Iraq, not just 100, according to the study group.

But back to Big Bill. I am very disappointed in him for going against the vote here in New Mexico. He has betrayed our state as well as Senator Clinton. This is actually his second betrayal, remember when his Iowa supporters were told to go to Obama instead of Clinton as their second choice.

I contributed to both the Clinton and Richardson presidential campaigns (and to Edwards too, but never Obama). When I got his Judas email on Good Friday, I unsubscribed from his list (told them why, too).

Posted by: nmaif | March 23, 2008 9:28 PM

As someone with a "funny", "furrin" (maybe its geting tiresome) name myself, I would love to see a Obama victory..IF he were to be even a sensible moderate.

But his is a dangerous combination of 1. calculating political savvy (tacitly endorsing his cronies who paint all his opponents as racists) and 2. naivete in world affairs 3. Advocacy approaching socialism/government interference in all affairs. Its beginning to sound more like third-world politics than America. I suspect Hillary wont go THAT far to the left once elected, but I guess McCain is the least objectionable choice right now.

We are not going to become white or black (or brown, if youre not brown) - but we are all going to get "old" ;)
[please insert assorted health care jokes here]

Drop the prejudice against old people. His 96 year old mother is still getting speeding tickets - something to consider before calling HIM old. ;)

Posted by: Indian | March 23, 2008 9:29 PM

Hey, Seth and others who have said the same thing: OF COURSE we would have praised Richardson as a right-thinking, loyal former associate had he endorsed Clinton! Why do you make that sound so unusual and hypocritical?-that's only natural, that someone who only got his start in the political arena, who was a complete unknown BUT FOR THE CLINTONS would actually endorse Hillary Clinton, the fact that the opportunistic slob did the unnatural inexplicable traitorous thing to not only endorse Obama but to slam the Clintons in the process for their so-called "negative' campaign is nothing short of astonishing! This does not say much for Richardson's character or loyalty AT ALL-on the other hand, he is going with someone-the disingenuous fraudster Obama, whose opportunistic, anything to win actions dovetails nicely with his own.

Richardson deserves every bit of our opprobrium, and then some! I wouldn't trust HIM not to throw his grandmother under the bus for a key political appointment job! Oh wait! That's what his bossman just did, so Richardson will have to follow suit, won't he?

Posted by: FARFALLE44 | March 23, 2008 9:29 PM

More and more, the Clintons reveal themselves as the low-life scum that they are. Bill Richardson has the right to support anyone he wants to without being attacked by the Clinton camp. Who needs four more years of the Clintons who are only concerned about themselves? I sure don't.

Posted by: Liz | March 23, 2008 9:29 PM

If the comments cited above are a precursor to the DNC Convention and the spite, which will split Democrats come general election time, we're in for a repeat of 2004.

Posted by: sjones | March 23, 2008 9:29 PM

Spider

I agree ......New York will not vote for Obama considering everything that is coming out about him.

He defended his pastor who thinks the people that died in the Twin Towers deserved it because of past injustices towards blacks.

New York will not vote for a Senator who defends this type of lunatic.

Posted by: ann | March 23, 2008 9:30 PM

If Hillary win can she look after Bill(Monica) or the red phone

Posted by: Bob | March 23, 2008 9:30 PM

Chief, I agree with the remarks you attribute to me but didn't write them. It's ok, I can imagine that cutting and pasting pushed you to your intellectual limits.

For the unsigned--if you're just a Fox news zombie, it's not worth trying to persuade you. But if you're genuinely interested, try watching a few more minutes of the tape. You'll see how badly Wright's statements have been taken out of context.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvMbeVQj6Lw

Posted by: Seth Bullock | March 23, 2008 9:34 PM

So SV,

what anti-semitic tactic will President Obama take upon his swearing in on the koran?

Or would it be the extra-special black liberation theology bible?

Anyways, what would be the first item on President obama's anti-white agenda? Bomb israel? Funnel money to al-quaeda? Join forces with Iran? All of this with the compliance of the U.S. congress, right?

I'm serious. Just list for me, the evil anti-semitic, anti-white policies that a President Obama will enact.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 9:34 PM

Michael1945, I am reporting you to the forum admin for your insult to shiv kumar. Why do you feel it is right to insult someone's religion, background and culture all in one sentence and call yourself a Democrat?

India graduates more engineers in a year than America does in five. It is poorer than the United States but is the world's largest democracy. Indian taxpayers have lent America $50 billion dollars in the past 12 months by buying treasury bonds. I love this country but it has a long way to go before becoming an adult in the community of nations. Ignorance like yours diminishes my pride in America. We must never forget we are 5% of the world's population. One in three people on this earth is either Indian or Chinese.

Posted by: asja | March 23, 2008 9:34 PM

Hey Shiv, once again, you don't know what you're talking about, just like you showed you didn't know what you were talking about with 9/11 Hijackers and Dubai. You see, there is a HUGE picture of Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton and Chelsea Clinton in Jaipur India, in a shop called the Gem Palace, there is YET ANOTHER picture of Bill Clinton on the walls of the Imperial Hotel in Delhi, and on the walls of the Oberoi in Jaipur-THAT'S JUST A START, OKAY? MAYBE IF YOU KNEW WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU WOULDN'T SOUND SO MUCH LIKE A RAVING BLOOMING IDIOT, LIKE I SAID, I THINK YOU'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH SAND BETWEEN THE EARS-YOU NEED TO TAKE A BREATHER THERE FROM THAT REPRESSIVE AIR IN DUBAI!

Posted by: FARFALLE44 | March 23, 2008 9:35 PM

Asians won't vote for Barry Obama

Jews won't vote for Barry Obama

Working class whites won't vote for Barry Obama

Latinos (Richardson or no) won't vote for Barry Obama.

Older white women won't vote for Barry Obama

So that leaves what -- a few academic eggheads and blacks?

Vote Hillary or watch the Dems go down in flames to John McCain!


Posted by: Spider Mike | March 23, 2008 9:36 PM

Ah, what a great election season!! Running against a party whose president has the lowest approval rating in years, with a golden opportunity to take the White House, and listen to the Dumbocrats bicker! No need for a vast right wing conspiracy this year. Karl Rove himself couldn't have written a better script!!

Let's review:

There's Hillary and her experience - now does that include interviewing the women your husband cheated on you with so she could get them to sign statements saying that they didn't? Talk about doing ANYTHING to someday become president. Yes, that's the kind of experience we need.

And then there's Barack and his empty rhetoric and hateful associates.

Yes, it's a fine spring watching the Dumbocrats implode....

Posted by: Dumbocrats Implode | March 23, 2008 9:37 PM

Neither Senators John McCain or Hillary Rodham Clinton have enough charisma to turn around the Bush administration's depreciation of our economy and our standing in the world. Americans still believe that race relations is some isolated domestic issue, limited to the relationship of black Americans and other people of color to a minority of white Americans. But the Bush administration could, if it wanted to do so, reveal that State Dept. and FBI files show that hostility to Americans, white and black, is increasingly racialistic, whether in Germany, Russia, Japan, Korea, Myanamar, Thailand, Pakistan, Iran, India, the Arabian Gulf, Iraq, Egypt, and many countries in Central and South America. African Americans can find themselves the subject of racial discrimination in Australia, parts of Canada and parts of Central America. Next time you read of an American killed abroad, check out the State Dept. list of countries on its latest advisory to Americans traveling abroad. Compare the list to the one issued just before President Bush took office. The number of countries that Americans have to avoid and the number under travel safety advisories has doubled since Bush took office. In his speech on racial relations in the USA, Senator Obama touched upon a problem that is now an international one. Racial hostility fuels much of the conflict in the Middle East, it lurks under the surface in our nuclear disarmament talks with North Korea, it surfaces in Hindu nationalist arguments against an American offer of a treaty on nuclear cooperation with India, it restrains Pakistan's leaders from trusting the Bush administration and permitting American troops into Pakistan to fight Al Qaeda on the Afghanistan border, race features in Chinese xenophobia against American interests, it fuels Japanese and South Korean resentment against American military bases, and, racial hostility against non-European immigrants in Europe, the UK, and Russia generates hostility against Europeans in the immigrant's country of origins, such as Turks who face discrimination in Germany. Of the three major party Presidential candidates, only Senator Obama has offered any new ideas on how he would deal with this growing world problem. Isn't it time Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton and her husband Bill Clinton offered their views on how they would deal with the growth of international forms of racial hostility towards Americans in different parts of the world? Senator Obama has given us his ideas. Do McCain or Clinton have any clue as to the problem?

Posted by: thedefendant | March 23, 2008 9:37 PM

I would like a definition of low life scum. I'd be willing to bet Obama would fit the description as well as any other politician. People are going to hear what they want to hear, see what they want to see and believe what they want to believe. Obama wants to bring people together and run on hope, well I hope he can bring his followers to change their hateful attitudes.

Posted by: Clintonalltheway | March 23, 2008 9:37 PM

More and more, the Clintons reveal themselves as the low-life scum that they are. Bill Richardson has the right to support anyone he wants to without being attacked by the Clinton camp. Who needs four more years of the Clintons who are only concerned about themselves? I sure don't.

Posted by: Liz | March 23, 2008 09:29 PM

----------

Sorry Liz ...but your phoney candidate Obama and his camp can be accused of the same low life scum attacks. They are the ones that started the race baiting and character assasinations. He has shown to be worse than the average politician. Anyone that would be willing to trash a Previous Democratic President and First Lady just to win....is as low as they come.

Obama has done more to DIVIDE this country than anyone in recent history.

Americans have see through his hatred and anti-american views...we will vote NO for Obama.

It doesn't matter how much he whines or how much his wife keeps complaining about America...we will VOTE NO for OBAMA in November.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 9:38 PM

Ann, if you are just opposed to Obama, then that's your opinion and you are entitled to it. If, however, your opposition is because you really believe that Wright said the victims deserved to die because of America's policy towards blacks, you really owe it to yourself to see the comments in context.

In the clip you are talking about, he was quoting a former U.S. Ambassador who had said that America's policies in the world had led to more terrorism. You don't have to agree with that statement--though I do--but you would also see that he was genuinely mourning the tragedy and preaching for peace.

Posted by: Seth Bullock | March 23, 2008 9:38 PM

FARFALLE44:

Please explain how Obama threw his grandmother under the bus, when he told that story WAY BACK in 1996 as part of his book?

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 9:38 PM

A wise blogger once said something that has stuck with me ever since. it's very simple, but profound:

"Never trust a man with purple lips."

Posted by: AsperGirl | March 23, 2008 9:39 PM

We really don't know how un-American Obama is but it doesn't look good.

facts:
He won't hear a flag pin

Fact
He want say the pledge of Allegiance

Fact
He has attended an anti-American church for 20 years

Fact
His wife has never been proud of America.

I'm not saying he doesn't love his country. That country that gave him every opportunity but I could sure use some convincing... Hummmm think the swift boaters will exploit this?

Expect some like this
NY goes for McCain
Mass goes for McCain
FL goes for McCain
Il goes for Obama
CA goes for McCain
Michigan goes for McCain
Ohio goes for McCain

Posted by: are you kidding. | March 23, 2008 9:39 PM

P.S. Funny, Michael! I liked that! Shiv is already named after a Hindu god you know, and it is quite obvious that he thinks of himself as one-ha ha ha!

Posted by: FARFALLE44 | March 23, 2008 9:40 PM

SOCKS for PRESIDENT in 2008!

www.socks08.com

Posted by: Staff | March 23, 2008 9:40 PM

Guess what people, Hillary won NM by less than 1%. Do you even understand, less than 1%. Obama is ahead of her in popular votes by over 700,000 and 160 pledged delegates and you Hillary supporters claim victory over less than 1% win in NM. A tie means Bill Richardson can endorse either of them. He chose Obama and Hillary's people are just so bitter. Booo hoooo!!

So why don't you indulge yourselves with the links below. And for those feeling cold wrap yourselves in the links below. it is easter afterall

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VeXwboxjyI
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/20/opinion/main3955120.shtml

Happy easter

Posted by: Nancy | March 23, 2008 9:40 PM

Stop watching Fox news people! Do you really think that Chris Dodd, John Kerry, Governor Richardson and Ted Kennedy would support Senator Obama if any of the smears put out by the Clinton and McCain campaigns were true? These are some of the strongest Democratic leaders in our country. Dont buy into swift boating people! Not this time!!!!
Senator Barack Obama has won 30 contests to Clinton's 14. He has acquired 1,418 delegates to her 1,251. Calling several states that Clinton won, the swing states is just more spin added to an endless string of misinformation and smear attempts against Senator Obama. Clinton's claims to foreign policy experience has been widely disputed by those actually involved in Bosnia and Ireland for example. Here is the latest on just one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It6JN7ALF7Y&eurl=http://shootingsparks.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Katy7540 | March 23, 2008 9:40 PM

Pity you poor liberals.
The only choice you have is between an enabler for her husband's preying on women, and a smooth talking rookie who can't unite his party, much less the country. Neither will do anything positive for our nation. Their goal is to raise taxes, retreat from our terrorist enemies, and create a bigger government with more people dependent on it. Pathetic.

Posted by: LarryG62 | March 23, 2008 9:41 PM

Hillary Clinton is a traitor. She'd rather have McCain be the President now that the citizens of this country have rejected Her Majesty and her self-entitled minions who can't face reality.

Posted by: Stop the traitor | March 23, 2008 9:41 PM

to THEDEFENDANT

Sorry...but Obamas anti-american racist suporting, biggoted views are not going to improve our relations with anyone.

He has just created the biggest divide in American History....I can just imagine what he would do to our International relations.

In November we will vote NO for Obama.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 9:42 PM

Ann, thanks and you make a great additonal point about the WTC disaster and how Barry Obama has endorsed the pastor's vile views of it.

Posted by: Spider Mike | March 23, 2008 9:42 PM

FARFALLE44 and Michael1945, do you somehow think that insulting someone will ever make them change their mind?

Bill Richardson was right when he said he was turned off by Senator Clinton's supporters. I can understand someone challenging the thinking of shiv kumar but if the meaning of debating politics is personal attacks, you have a long way to go in disagreeing without being disagreeable.

Do not vote for Obama if you don't like him for any reason. Do not insult those who choose to, try to win them over.

Posted by: asja | March 23, 2008 9:42 PM

Now let's see, Clinton said it would be nice to have two people who loved America in the race. Here's BHO's resume:
1) stopped wearing american flag lapel pin as US Senator, stating it was 'false patriotism'
2) chooses to leave islam to worship with Rev Wright for 18 yrs, who encourages congregation to sing "g-d d-amn america'
3) Ivy league wife of ivy league senator BHO gets a $200000 raise the day he is elected to the senate as a 'community outreach' officer for a Chicago Hospital. When her hubby wins the Iowa primary, she states she is proud of America for the first time in her life.

So it appears BC was right this time. BHO is professional chip on shoulder type.

Posted by: Day One | March 23, 2008 9:43 PM

Hillary Clinton is so disingenuous that she'd accept money from the supporters of a banned terrorist organization. Just Google: Hillary LTTE.

Posted by: Save America from Hillary | March 23, 2008 9:44 PM

I've never seen as arrogant a bunch of people as Obama supporters.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 9:44 PM

Stopthetraitor.


I will do as your name says and stop Obama the traitor.

No to anti-american racist supporters.

No to Obama

Posted by: chula | March 23, 2008 9:44 PM

Holy Hillarrhoids! There are more comments here than Ankleless Annie's got pantsuits ... though isn't it, er, time she changed from that yellow jacket-black pants outfit? P.U.!
Carville should know better than to dis Richardson as Judas; Carville himself looks like Satan ("Beelzebubba," they call him in the bayoux) ... of course, maybe that's what happens when you look at Matalin all day.
With that facial hair, the governor looks like the late, great Charlie Palmieri. Check it out!

Posted by: sawargos | March 23, 2008 9:45 PM

hey, Hillary lovers,

do you really believe the crap you write?

that would make you, let's see..oh yeah...still the losers.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 9:46 PM

Barry Obama supports Rev Wright.

Rev Wright Supports Hamas, which supports using children, including new-born babies, as "human bombs"

From Reuters --

Embattled Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has experienced one of the most awful weeks in American political history. As I said here, you know it's bad when revealing extensive ties to Chicago political fixer Tony Rezko isn't the big news of the week. Clearly, the Pastor J-Wright scandal has temporarily sucked the oxygen out of the presidential campaigns. As bas as that seems, this article in WND adds another chapter to the Pastor J-Wright scandal. This headline says it all:

Obama Church Published Hamas Terror Manifesto

It gets worse from there:

The Hamas piece was published on the "Pastor's Page" of the Trinity United Church of Christ newsletter reserved for Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., whose anti-American, anti-Israel remarks landed Obama in hot water, prompting the presidential candidate to deliver a major race speech earlier this week.

Hamas, responsible for scores of shootings, suicide bombings and rocket launchings against civilian population centers, is listed as a terrorist group by the U.S. State Department.

That it was reprinted in Pastor J-Wright's newsletter calls into question how deep his hatred of Israel runs. Let's remember that this isn't something from 10 years ago. That op-ed ran last July. It's that much more troubling considering the fact that Pastor Wright accompanied Louis Farrakhan on a trip to Libya where he met Col. Qhadhaffi.

I'll take Sen. Obama at his word when he says that Pastor Wright has been his mentor. That's troubling because Pastor Wright's thinking towards Israel is far outside mainstream evangelical Christian thinking. Let's set that aside temporarily for the sake of this discussion. Let's pretend that evangelical Christians didn't take a position on Israel. Instead, let's think about this from a State Department standpoint. It seems like Hamas has been on the State Department's list of known terrorists forever.

That brings me to this question: What impact has Pastor J-Wright's views on Israel had on Sen. Obama? Sen. Obama says that he hasn't talked politics with Pastor J-Wright but, prior to this week, he insisted that he hadn't heard any of Pastor J-Wright's inflammatory sermons, too.

Suffice it to say that this story eliminates the possibility of the Obama-J-Wright controversy going away anytime soon.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 9:47 PM

Hillary Clinton has no class. She's lost the Primary in every conceivable way. All she's doing now is destroying the Democratic party.

Posted by: Queen Hillary is destroying us | March 23, 2008 9:47 PM

The ethnic hatred directed at a poster's "ancestry" - by Democrats - should be an object lesson. ;)

(In disabusing the quaint notion that the democrats are a "post-racial", "open-minded" party anyway. I suspect Obama supporters are just as racist)

Vote for the least objectionable candidate or vote your conscience. At least the republicans dont claim to be inclusive ;) so the minorities KNOW just where we stand

Vote for McCain or Nader.

Posted by: Indian | March 23, 2008 9:48 PM

Since SNL obviously has been scouring the Washington Post for fodder and stole my last idea. (Where Hillary wakes up at 3 am with a green face mask, curlers and a housecoat). I might as well give em' a little more. (Ya sure those writers still aren't on strike?) How about a parody of John McCain as the "Manchurian Candidate" , the scene would be at the brain washing arena, obviously Hillary would be there in her dress, (she wears a dress?) Obama would be there, Cheney would be the step-father accusing everyone of being a communist in the state department (including Condoleeza Rice). George Bush wouldn't be there of course, he stayed away from the Pacific as much as possible. But before they say "Live from New York, It's Saturday Night", John McCain would say "Mission Accomplished!" 4 More Years? Well I wrote it for you SNL, you might as well do it, I didn't get paid for the last one either............

Posted by: Jim | March 23, 2008 9:48 PM

SV,

you'll never see much of anything until you open your eyes.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 9:48 PM

Note to asja.....

Thank you for your calm reasoned comment here. It's refreshing to see someone here who can put forth reasoned arguments, and avoid the shouting and name calling.

On Bill Richardson, assuming Hillary Clinton gets the nomination which I think she can and will (I'm doing some volunteer work with the campaign); I'm sure Bill Richardson will not be invited to campaign. There will be plenty of top people who can help such as people in my state (PA): such as Governor Ed Rendell, Congressman Jack Murtha, etc.

Thank you.

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _


"Hey Common Sense12:
I appreciate your comment. Hillary is my second choice, and I will support her in the election if Obama loses the nomination. These forums are full of so many posts that don't advance reasoned arguments that it feels like warfare.

In truth, Hillary would have celebrated Richardson's endorsement as a big event if she had won it. If she wins the nomination and her advisors have trashed him, how is he going to feel campaigning for her. This is what I find really troubling about the people advising Senator Clinton at this point.

The nomination really was hers to lose, and the way it looks, she may not have been experienced and organized in fighting for elected office (individually) as Obama was. She relied too much on a network that showed crucial cracks at critical times".

Posted by: asja | March 23, 2008 09:17 PM

Posted by: Common Sense12 | March 23, 2008 9:49 PM

Hmm, here's another endorsement--from a conservative constitutional lawyer who served in the White House wiht two republican presidents.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/convictions/archive/2008/03/23/endorsing-obama.aspx

Posted by: Seth Bullock | March 23, 2008 9:49 PM

It's offical....
MCCAIN is the next president of the USA

Posted by: ITS OVA | March 23, 2008 9:49 PM

FARFALLE44:


You are right!!! Obama threw his grandmother under the bus. I can't believe he was so shocked by his grandmothers private remark...but was ok with his pastors very public hatred and racist remarks.

The sad part is he decided running her over wasn't enough...he decided to back up and run over her again shortly after on public radio by calling her a "typical white person"

I guess he took that Black Values System oath to heart....especially the one that says... "pledge allegiance to black leaders" I guess that means over everyone and anyone...even your grandmother.


Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 9:51 PM

My eyes are wide open.

Obama supporters cover their ears and eyes to block out the reality they cannot bear to accept.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 9:52 PM

Governour Richardson has good common sense when he said people have had enough of "bush clinton bush clinton" and wanted a new generation of leadership. That is it in a nutshell.

Posted by: Brian Stewart | March 23, 2008 9:53 PM

I'm really disappointed SNL wimped out on doing a Rev. Wright skit on Saturday Night. How could they pass that up? It's so delicious!

Reportedly (LA Times) they've been taking a lot of harassment and bullying for not being Obama fans like the rest of the mainstream media. Seems like pressure turned off the laughs.

Posted by: AsperGirl | March 23, 2008 9:53 PM

It's offical....
MCCAIN is the next president of the USA

Posted by: are you kidding. | March 23, 2008 9:54 PM

"He won't hear a flag pin"

"He want say the pledge of Allegiance"

Not much more needs to be said, eh?

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 9:54 PM

svreader, you just suck, you know that? you suck. Since you're back at reposting your reposts again, here's one of mine:

svreader comments that Obama's pastor supports the use of children as human bombs, citing WND (WorldNetDaily) as the source. That would be the same WND that featured a commentary blaming America's moral depravity for the 911 attacks -- the same type of comment that svreader and others have been trashing Obama's pastor and Obama for. Here's Wikipedia on the not highly regarded news source, WND:

"WND has published many articles that have created controversies and criticism of the site by other media outlets. Some of these include:

9/11 attacks

On September 13, 2001, WND published a commentary by Anthony C. LoBaido regarding the terrorist attacks on New York City and Washington two days earlier. In his column, LoBaido outlined what he regarded as the moral depravity of America in general and New York in particular, asking whether "God (has) raised up Shiite Islam as a sword against America". [21]"

So, svreader and other GOP Obama bashers, why don't you lighten up on Obama and quit adding more garbage to the heap you've already stacked against the man? You see every article as an opportunity to launch more lies and innuendo from the comfortable anonymity of your BS factories. Not one of you has the guts to use your real name and address, but if you had to stand behind your crap for one instant, you'd fold like a matchbook.

I'm white. I'm middle-aged. I feel absolutely no white guilt. No "man love." The only Kool-Aid I drink is Grape. I voted for Barack Obama for the same reasons as the other 30 million people did, and I'm damn proud of it: Because he will make a fine president.

I've heard Rev. Wright's statements in their original context and I agree with some of them. They're just the pastor's opinion. They don't bother me, and they're obviously not Obama's opinions. He didn't write Rev. Wright's sermons.

I'm not impressed with anonymous libel perpetuated by partisans, fools and pundits for the Far Right. svreader, you and your buddies are far too divisive, racist and ignorant to be Democrats. I'm not sure why you hate Obama, but you hated him in your comments last year, long before any controversies arose.

If just one of you could stick to the facts, there might be a civil discussion here. But since you won't, since you're all a bunch of cowards with overactive imaginations and inactive frontal lobes, you'll take what I have to say and like it. Go screw yourselves. You're as close to evil incarnate as I've seen in my lifetime. If this were 1933, you'd be joining the Hitler Youth.

Posted by: rippermccord | March 23, 2008 9:55 PM

Brian,

The real Obama is nothing like his carefully crafted public image.

You'll find out soon enough.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 9:55 PM

BUSH APPOINTEES, that the baaaaaaaaaaama knows all about...

Lynn Scarlett: Undersecretary of the Interior

Recycling foe Lynn Scarlett, one of the architects of Bush's "new environmentalism".

Scarlett began working for the libertarian Reason Foundation, becoming its president and CEO in 2001. The Reason Foundation is funded by industry groups such as the American Forest and Paper Association, the American Petroleum Institute, American Plastics Council, Chevron Corporation, Dow Chemical, etc. The author of "A Consumer's Guide to Environmental Myths and Realities," Scarlett cites the following as common myths about the environment: Disposables Are Bad; We Are Running Out of Resources; Americans Are Especially Wasteful; etc. Scarlett was a board member of The Thoreau Institute which "seeks ways to protect the environment without regulation, bureaucracy, or central control." Source

David Lauriski: Assistant Secretary of Labor for Mine Safety

David Lauriski, is a long-time coal industry executive and lobbyist. Shortly after taking office, Lauriski bragged to a group of coal industry executives that his regulatory agenda "is quite a bit shorter than some past agendas." Indeed, death warrants usually tend towards brevity. Part of Lauriski's abbreviated agenda is to reduce the number of times a mining company has to sample coal dust levels inside the tunnels, a move that is certain to increase incidence of black lung disease. And yes, Lauriski wants to get rid of the chest X-ray program that tests miners for black lung disease. Lauriski also wants to slash the number of mine inspectors by 25 percent.

Michael Brown: FEMA Director

The former head of an Arabian horse Association, he was appointed by Bush in January 2003. A TIME magazine investigation revealed discrepancies discrepancies in his online legal profile and official bio, including a description of Brown released by the White House at the time of his nomination in 2001 to the job as deputy chief of FEMA. The White House press release from 2001 stated that Brown worked for the city of Edmond, Okla., from 1975 to 1978 "overseeing the emergency services division." In fact, according to Claudia Deakins, head of public relations for the city of Edmond, Brown was an "assistant to the city manager" from 1977 to 1980, not a manager himself, and had no authority over other employees. "The assistant is more like an intern," she told TIME. "Department heads did not report to him."

Under the "honors and awards" section of his profile at FindLaw.com -- which is information on the legal website provided by lawyers or their offices--he lists "Outstanding Political Science Professor, Central State University". However, Brown "wasn't a professor here, he was only a student here," says Charles Johnson, News Bureau Director in the University Relations office at the University of Central Oklahoma (formerly named Central State University). "He may have been an adjunct instructor," says Johnson, but that title is very different from that of "professor."

Mike Brown committed perjury while testifying under oath regarding the handling of the hurricane Katrina response, claiming that Louisiana Gov. Blanco's August 27th request to the President for a federal emergency declaration excluded Orleans, Jefferson and Plaquerines parishes. In fact, Blanco requested the President to declare a disaster in "all the southeastern parishes," which includes Orleans, Jefferson and Plaquemines. See the request for yourself on the Project for the OLD American Century website on the "

Posted by: hello | March 23, 2008 9:55 PM

Ron Paul was the only Politician who even addressed the issues, that need to be addressed. America is run by a secret government that pulls the strings from behind the scenes. Doesn't matter who you choose-same game.

Posted by: John from Boise | March 23, 2008 9:55 PM

seth--

keep fighting the good fight. The lack of intelligent discourse on this blog is startling. You and a few others (seemingly all Obama supporters) are the only ones who are open to opposing arguments, while calmly and rationally supporting your own with evidence.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 9:57 PM

typo mr perfect

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 9:57 PM

If Obama was white he would not have been still running after all of that scandal with his "uncle" pastor. We, the "white people", cannot use the word "black" in public, only African-American; while on the other side, a person that attends an African-American racist church every Sunday and listens to the bias of anti-white preaching, can still be running for president!!! Do you really think Wright has preached that kind of preaching just that one time? Also do not forget! Obama has been listening to Wright's preaching for almost 20 years!!!
Obama said "the most segregated hour in American life occurs on Sunday morning". I don't think so! I never ever heard of any white priest preaching from the altar such racist ideas against blacks, or any other segments of the American population. Probably that is happening in Obama's neck of the wood... If he genuinely believed in solving the race issue, he should have done that "outstanding speech" long before his ass was in hot H2O because of his close connections with Wright
Obama's rhetoric about "hope" & "change" is just a grammatically & ideologically misspelled propaganda...
Imagine him being the Commander in Chief...!!!
Well, if lefties (Kerry & Co.) succeed in hijacking the Democratic Party leadership, I can see that a lot of Hillary supporters would vote for McCain. Obama's candidacy has been artificially blown out of all proportion. Does he really believe that he stands a chance to win the General Election? Everyone I know would vote Republican this time if Hillary is not going to be the nominee...
Obamatics forget that the majority of the US are not lefties. Bill Clinton knew this very well. That's why he was able to build a centrist oriented coalition & won both elections.
Also, it was in Obama's interest for Florida & Michigan not to rerun their primaries. Do not forget the majority of the voters in both of these states voted for Hillary. That's why lefties are not interested in finding a solution. He knew full well he would lose both of them. So, how he is going to win without Florida & Michigan?
What a sad joke!!!
The whole point is supporting a winner in November. I can't see that happening if the Democratic Party goes for Obama... A good portion of white Americans center-left, center & center-right either will vote for McCain, or will not vote at all; same with Latinos & Asians... He will lose Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Ohio. He will have a weak showing in New York, New Jersey, Los Angeles. He will lose most of the so-called red states that gave him their votes to just convincingly defeat him this Fall...
The rhetoric about Hope & Change is just propaganda, without being backed by substance. His voting records are disturbing. His pullout-the-troops plan without having a real plan is disastrous... And overall, when McCain will win the November Elections, the African-American community will feel even more anti-American & racial than they feel now, because their hopes got demolished by their hunger for power without the backing of the majority of the American people...
These are my reasons why I cannot support Obama.

Posted by: ARBEN Camaj | March 23, 2008 9:57 PM

typos mr perfect

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 9:57 PM

For those who think it's a joke that people say if they can't vote Hillary they will vote McCain -- I don't think so. I am hearing this more and more lately from longtime Dem voters. Even Nader looks good to many next to Barry Obama. Unless Hillary can find a way to upset Barry, McCain will coast to a landslide win.

Posted by: Spider Mike | March 23, 2008 9:58 PM

On the point about New York, by November, the full 7-minute sermon by Wright on 9/11 will be widely known and not just the 38 second clip that was quoted to distort him.

When more and more people realize that Wright was quoting ambassador Edward L. Peck, a retired career United States diplomat who served thirty-two-years in the U.S. Foreign Service and an authority on the Middle East, they will feel manipulated.

When they realize that Pat Robertson and Gerry Fallwell said 9/11 was because of abortions, gays and the ACLU, they'll realize that asking America's leaders to account for our bad reputation overseas and the things they do in taxpayers' names is far more responsible than saying gay people in New York inspired God to send Bin Laden to kill innocent civilians.

Wright's incendiary statements hurt Obama, especially because they were so distorted and there are some who will never inform themselves further and are forever lost as voters.

However, by Friday, 7 in 10 Americans surveyed repeatedly did not believe Obama was like Wright. Considering that that number includes Republicans, I remain very positive. The truth always comes out and millions of people are watching the full unedited sermon every day and realizing the manipulation that occurred. Wright is an explosive fellow, but the ex-marine Vietnam Vet is not the anti-American Satan Fox News wanted America to believe he was.

You don't have to vote Obama to change America for the better. Support him if you think he's the better candidate. In elections, you vote for something, not against something. Your vote cannot take mine away.

Posted by: asja | March 23, 2008 9:59 PM

djstates wrote:
I don't understand why people would be linking Spitzer and Clinton

____________________________________________________


Anadromous2 wrote: [ some very basic lies that he is trying to sell ]


a bigone, ILLUMINATES:


there is no link, Anadromous2, robtay2 is simply trying to wipe excrement on his enemies...

as is clyde2 too


why are they their enemies? The Clintons, they want to end Clyde2's and Anadromous2's, robtay2's way of life....they are probably the same person using three laptops...


what is their way of life? stealing lying and influence peddling graft theft embezzlement and fabrication, if he's a republican....and all signs point to that.


the repulsives use propaganda as a tool. what ever the public currently thinks is bad, the


repulsives try and link it through repitition....the truth of it doesn't matter


they can even use george w.'s lack of popularity and try and link it to Hillary or Obama as the victim of choice...


they have no morality, and no ideal that they are shooting for.


there is no point in having a conversation with them as their main impetus is to inseminate the public with disinformation....period.

the IRAQ, WMD, WTC, terrorists soundbite is an example of linking / inferring by vicinity...


it's information dispersal....

repitition.

they knew Hillary would run for president, that is why they have kept hammering on Bill Clinton...

they have the morals of a tapeworm. they don't care if Bill Clinton has sex with their mothers....it's irrelevant to them...


they are monsters sexually, as in sick in the head...they delight in degredation...

why should they worry about anyone else. they don't just like they are homosexual and yet use the homophobic vote against AMERICA....


SEARCH on JEFF GANNON, George W., gay lips, Victor Ashe, Karl Rove, Ken Mehlman


to see some really deep sick sexual shenanigans...


did george w. BUSH have sex with Jeff Gannon in the whitehouse ???? and then Karl Rove ????? and then Ken Mehlman head of the RNC ????


apparently.


.


.enjoy.


.

Posted by: check out the repukelicking sawargos....a fine example of a repuke licking backing the baaaaaaaaaaaa | March 23, 2008 10:01 PM

who said this?
U S of KKK A?
humm.. Wonder where my tax dollars will be going????

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 10:01 PM

Obama supporters are in love with a man that does not exist, not the one that does.

Obama's supporters will forgive him for anything.

If Obama was found in bed with a dead girl, they'd say she died of happiness.

If Obama was found in bed with a live boy they'd say Obama cured his leprosy.

They're in love.

Never fall in love with a politician.

They'll break your heart every time.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 10:01 PM

svreder wrote:

"Brian,

The real Obama is nothing like his carefully crafted public image.

You'll find out soon enough."
---------------------------------------------------------

Please enlighten us with the facts as you so intimately know them, svreader. You seem to have cornered the market for "the truth about Obama."

What is it you know PERSONALLY about Obama? Ever met him? Ever spoken to anyone who knows him? Are you a mystic? A psychic?

Anything at all but a conniving purveyor of filth?

I didn't think so.


Posted by: rippermccord | March 23, 2008 10:02 PM

I have been a member of the Democratic Party for 30 years in the District of Columbia. I AM NOT VOTING FOR SENATORS HILLIARY CLINTON, BARACK OBAMA, OR JOHN McCAIN. Each of these candidates have tap dance on the illegal immigration issue and all three support citizenship and amnesty to an estimate 20 million illegal aliens. Senator Barack Obama supports giving Driver's License to illegal aliens.

I might be in the minority, but I am not thinking about any of these idiots. We have a poor choice of candidates to choose. We the voters/citizens are screwed in the United States.

Posted by: Blue Dog Democrat | March 23, 2008 10:02 PM

I think for a black man with republican backing

Obama is doing okay.


I don't think he would be a contestant if it weren't for the fact that

people are so easily confused...

80 PERCENT of the servicemen and women in IRAQ that were interviewed by the Wall Street Journal a year after the invasion of IRAQ

believed that IRAQ had blown up the WTC....

sound bite linking,

Bush, Rice, Cheney, Rumsfeld and others saying the words...


Iraq, WTC, terrorists....as a word group created the illusion that the IRAQI's were


terrorists...

you gomers are falling for it about the Clintons

and you who are so easily led,

are going to institute change ????


I think the change you need ot have occur is the abiltiy to tell the difference between schiess and shinola

'cause right now, you're schiess
walking 'n talking schiess too...

.
.

let's put things in perspective here...

war fraud,


COMMONLY known as an OCCUPATION....by anyone that knows enough to unzip before they try to take a leak....supposing that the ladies are wearing pants too....

$720 MILLION A DAY....to war profiteers.

Posted by: hello | March 23, 2008 10:03 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 10:05 PM

I guess what I would wonder about is


the dichCheenie cheering Obama on.

Wouldn't you???


.
so what do we need to do right now????


seperate the snakes from the oil.

take control of war profiteering companies as a NATIONAL SECURITY MATTER,


threatening our economy.

begin treating "THE ECONOMY," as what it is, a matter of NATIONAL SECURITY...

and mobilize our countries ECONOMY to work for our countrys best interests and the interests of the citizens.


not the 1/3 of 1 percent that are currently absorbing all of the countries profits....and not all of them AMERICAN citizens either...

why should you tax dollars be used for war fraud ????


business expenses that BIG OIL should be paying by itself, and making it's own deals.


bush and company sold it this way, so that they could control and skim.


non compete bids.


grow up.

Posted by: hello | March 23, 2008 10:05 PM

Obama has refrained from making horrible statments or gutter attacks against Clinton. I suggest that the Clintons learn what it is to run a class act operation -- stop the attacks. You are losing your place IN HISTORY !!!!! YOU ARE SURROUNDED BY HANGERS ON WHO WANT TO RETURN TO DC...LISTEN TO WHAT YOU ARE DOING

Posted by: anne | March 23, 2008 10:05 PM

Well put
svreader

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 10:06 PM

rippermccord --

I know more detail about Barry Obama than you could possibly imagine.

Sweet dreams.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 10:06 PM

Who was Wright quoting when he said Hillary has never been called a nixxer and that Bill Clinton did to African Americans what he did to Monica Lewinsky, riden dirty. Did we take that out of context too?

Posted by: Clinton09 | March 23, 2008 10:07 PM

DO YOU THINK the baaaaaaaaaaaaa man knows about this article from

the past that is running the country now ????

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........... ?????


ABOUT TERRORISM, and fooling you oncet'

If personal motives, such as control of public perception, existed for the president to have covered up his "indirect" involvement with Sheikh Mahfouz, then Bush's claimed reason for the 911 report censorship could be a lie. Willful presidential deception would have occurred when Bush stated as the reason for his censorship, the need "to protect intelligence 'sources and methods'".

In politics, truth is often stranger than fiction: Sheikh Mahfouz's sister is actually one of four wives of Osama bin Laden, making the two men brothers-in-law, a fact that former CIA Director James Woolsey revealed in 1998 Senate testimony. Thus, Osama bin Laden is sleeping with the sister of Bush's business partner. Really.

Oil-related business deals between George W. Bush and several powerful Saudi Sheikhs, from 1979 to 1991, lacked both ethical integrity and Congressional intelligence oversight, since Bush used the same Saudi-controlled global banking network that was also used by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency and by Osama bin Laden. once a CIA asset. Yet, several abbreviated FBI and Congressional investigations later, this explosive truth still remains mostly hidden from the American public.

Consider the facts. For decades the current President's father, former President George H. W. Bush, has had publicly close ties to the oil-enriched Saudi royal family in regards to both politics and business. Then consider that the bin Laden family is the most entrusted of all families by the Saudi Royal household. For many decades, every Saudi King has granted the bin Laden's giant construction conglomerate exclusive contacts to restore all castles and holy sites within the country, and for numerous public works and infrastructure projects.

Also, consider that soon after bin Laden's September 11 attacks, it was public knowledge that 15 of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, as was critical funding for bin Laden's al Qaeda network and for his earlier Arabic anti-Soviet fighters in Afganistan. Al Qaeda's predecesor was, in fact, bin Laden's 50,000 highly disciplined "Arab-Afghan" mujahideen, who were the most elite among Ronald Reagan's famous "freedom fighters", that were covertly given massive U.S. CIA support.

What is not generally known is that in years past, George W. Bush had several important business relationships with principle cohorts of Osama bin Laden's long-term financial sponsor, the powerful Saudi multibillionaire and banker to the king, Sheikh Khalid bin Mahfouz.

Bush's Deal with Saudi Sheikhs: A Reason to Cover-Up
This amazing story centers around and begins with the fraud-enshrouded Saudi National Commercial Bank (NCB), until recently owned by Sheikh Mahfouz. Following Osama bin Laden's U.S. Embassy bombings in Africa in 1998, Secretary of State Madeleine Albright told the Saudi Arabian Defense Minister, Prince Sultan, that Mahfouz had channelled tens of millions of dollars into terrorist accounts in London and New York. While treasurer to the Saudi King, Mahfouz plundered 2 billion dollars of the 21 billion dollar National Commercial Bank, of which he was then president.

The Saudi National Commercial Bank was affiliated with a global network of many Mahfouz-connected banks, including the InterMaritime Bank of Geneva and New York, whose vice-president brokered a 25 million dollar investment into George W. Bush's Harken Oil and Gas in 1987. Thus, the InterMaritime Bank was once related to the current President Bush through its Mahfouz-connected VP, a man named Dr. Alfred Hartmann. The InterMaritime Bank was also involved in multiple covert CIA operations.

During the 1980's, Sheikh Mahfouz's banking syndicate performed major CIA-inspired banking operations for such former CIA assets as Osama bin Laden, as well as for Saddam Hussein, Manuel Noriega and other drug dealing generals, such as in Pakistan. Much of this is documented in the 1992 U.S. Congressional testimony of Senator John Kerry.

George W. Bush, for his part, had important business relationships not only with Dr. Hartmann, but with a total of nine prominent individuals that are central to Mahfouz's financial empire, including both the "Godfather of Saudi Intelligence" and his partner, a billionaire Bush campaign donor.

If George W. Bush and Sheikh Mahfouz were ever coexisting in each others financial network, then the question is begged as to whether any personal or political reasons exist for the President to have censored the Saudi section of the Senate's report on bin Laden's September 11 attacks.

When two principal individuals are directly connected to the same group of nine persons -- with each of the the eighteen subsequent relationships having

ZERO DEGREES OF SEPERATION

-- then one would say that a "network" exists that PROFOUNDLY connects the two principals in question.

...collusion and treason bushCO and CRONYs


arrest prosecute try convict and hang until dead.


'kay ?????


.

Posted by: hello | March 23, 2008 10:08 PM

I salute Governor Richardson's courage in calling out the Billiary Campaign and finally verbalizing what most folks are thinking and saying: HRC believed she was entitled to the nomination and being elected president. Why else would she have no campaign plan after Super Tuesday. Attacking a well-respected public servant by both sides of the aisle is silly. Had the good governor endorsed her instead, I'm sure Carville et al would be singing his praises from on high. How duplicitous and disengenuous. HRC and her campaign get sillier everyday.

Posted by: Angela | March 23, 2008 10:08 PM

Obama could personally save svreader's life and he/she/it would still hate him.

svreader could have the monkey/human brain transfer he/she/it needs and he/she/it would still hate Obama even after getting the human brain implant.

svreader could could tip Obama for services rendered and still he/she/it would want flowers the next day.

Posted by: rippermccord | March 23, 2008 10:09 PM

A few months ago, Richardson said that it doesn't make any difference as to who endorses who during the presidential campaign. So it is ok for him endorsing Obama just as the powerful house member Murtha endorsed clinton during the last week. But if Richardson starts to tell Hillary to end her campaign for party unity then he will be playing gutter politics just the way he claims James Carvill is doing.

Posted by: Shima | March 23, 2008 10:09 PM

Anyone notice how badly MSNBC is in the tank for Obama? Keith Olbermann does a "special comment" scolding Hillary on Ferraro, but when the Pastor Wright thing breaks he has Obama on and lobs him softball questions. Olbermann has drank the Barry Obama Kool-Aid!

Posted by: Spider Mike | March 23, 2008 10:09 PM

Hillary sucks so much, they want to use her in an Oreck vacuum cleaner commercial!

Posted by: dg | March 23, 2008 10:10 PM

Bill Richardson is a big time hypocrite. Two weeks ago he was in favor of the super delegates (he is one)going to whoever won in their own state. Now because he thinks Obama cannot be stopped, he suddenly endorses Obama even though Hillary won in New Mexico. I'm from New Mexico and have voted the Democratic party for many years, but If Richardson is on the ticket with Obama, either as VP or in a position to be named Sec. of State, I would not vote for Obama. Richardson is a pompous, arrogant individual looking out only for his own hide, and not for the general welfare of the citizens of the state and/or the country.

Posted by: djo | March 23, 2008 10:11 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 10:11 PM

THE PAST:


actually,


Saddam Hussein was good friends with Donald Rumsfeld and George H.W. BUSH aka Poppy or scheiskoppf ,

which is why they placed all of his papers into "classified status," as soon as they invaded Iraq....

Heck "Desert Storm," was started by George H.W. Bush entrapping Saddam Hussein into attacking Kuwiat...


read the transcript of the conversation: at

www.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/glaspie.html


it's in several other places as well.


In the conversation Saddam Hussein specifically asks April Glaspie, envoy from then President George H.W. Bush how to handle the Kuwiati's stealing oil from IRAQ...or a border dispute as it was put...

April Glaspie told him that the United States would not interfere with his use of military force to settle the border dispute....so Saddam attacked Kuwiat..

he thought he could depend on George H.W. Bush and Donald Rumsfeld...


they trained him, like a deer to a deer feeder and shot him...


it's all there to anyone with a modicum of intelligence....


George H.W. Bush set up Manuel Noriega that same way....

to take the fall for George H.W. Bushes drug trafficking...


Both Saddam and Manuel Noriega were quoted as saying

"Why is he doing this to me?" before they were taken down...

it's called


SCAPEGOAT, cover story, coverup of intention.


SEARCH on Gary Webb, Cocaine, Parry, George H.W. Bush to find out how deeply the bush family has been involved in the cocaine and crack cocaine and now heroin epidemics affecting yoru United States Cities...


heck the Bushes profited off of Auschwitz Slave Labor too...it's their history


SEARCH on NAZIS, Bush crime family


.

Posted by: the past | March 23, 2008 10:11 PM

To "gary"
It amazes me how you claim to understand the angst arising from the black experience. To say that Hip Hop is more than an expression of black angst and anger at the state of political affairs is ludicrous. No one claimed Bob Dylan to be racist when his groundbreaking music expressed the desire for change arising from the dissatisfaction of the 60s, and racism was certainly alive and kicking during that time - I lived it. Sly & the Family Stone, War, and others echoed the distinction that was practiced by the government among its citizens. Yes, Hip Hop is hard-hitting but the truth often is. That is how the culture lives - with no illusions. But it is an art form with political overtones, nothing more. You cannot explain the ills of society by laying the blame at Hip Hop. Hip Hop mirrors those ills. So talk about something you know about and stop finding society's demons in the black experience.

Posted by: sboyd18 | March 23, 2008 10:11 PM

rippermccord --

Unless Barry can bring the dead back to life there's nothing he can do that will change my mind about just what kind of person he really is.

Its way to late for that.

People died because of his arrogance and incompetence.

I'm just one of many people that will never let him forget it.

You'll see.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 10:12 PM

The Defendant: I'm afraid you are waaaay off base. Interesting fact, I just came back from a country under a State Dept. Travel Warning-NEPAL- and I couldn't have felt more welcomed, despite the chaos going on in that country-I went everywhere by myself and there was no problem. But I ALSO just came back from India, and I can tell you without question, that the MINUTE I said I was American, Indians, be they Sikh, Muslim, or Hindu PRAISED THE US AS A STRONG GOOD COUNTRY-TO A PERSON. THAT WAS ALSO TRUE IN NEPAL. SIGNIFICANTLY, THEY DID NOT SAY THAT TO MY EUROPEAN COLLEAGUES.

If you remember just recently, President Bush went to Africa where he was greeted with great cheers and warmth-I should say, one of the few places in the world where he would be so greeted-Contrary to popular belief, IT IS THE DEVELOPING WORLD THAT STILL LOOKS TO AMERICA IN THE MOST POSITIVE LIGHT-IT STILL VIEWS THIS COUNTRY AS ONE WHICH GIVES HELP TO THE POOREST AND DISENFRANCHISED OF THE WORLD.

And I can tell you too, that of the people I talked to in India, and in Nepal, it was all Hillary Rodham Clinton-they know her, and they respect her, because she's been there, as First Lady, they can identify with her, -that is something they cannot do at all with Obama. From the people I spoke to, they think Obama is very intelligent, but they just don't see Obama as qualified to be President of the world's only superpower, and they are absolutely right on that score.

Posted by: FARFALLE44 | March 23, 2008 10:12 PM

rippermccord --

I know more detail about Barry Obama than you could possibly imagine.

Sweet dreams.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 10:06 PM

----------------------------------------------------

I call your bluff.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 10:13 PM

And it was Richardson, in one of the debates, that showed his distinct naivete and lack of experience to be president, when he said that the U.S. should "...ask Musharraf to step down."

Yes, and if you think Musharraf would have done that, I have some swampland in Florida I also think you should buy.

I could care less what Richardson thinks after hearing that, because I know that he's not operating with a full deck.

Obama is simply not fit to be president of the United States. He can "disown" his pastor all he wants, but he still sat in that congregation and listened to that man preach for 20 years. 20 YEARS. That's a long time, people.

A long time to listen to a man who Obama would like us to believe never preached a bad word when Obama was in the pew.

More swampland in Florida.

I think people got it absolutely right when they rightly ascertained Michelle Obama as a racist. How could ANYONE listen to Rev. Wright preach for 20 years and NOT be a racist?

Only people who subscribe to the same sentiments as Rev. Wright could sit and listen to those words come out of his mouth.

Obama is a liar. I'll say it again. OBAMA IS A LIAR.

He's lied about his voting record, he's lied about his association with Rezko, he's lied about his church and his pastor - what ELSE IS HE LYING ABOUT?

I don't trust him. I've had enough with liars in the White House.

Obama should do the graceful thing and simply bow out of the race in the hopes that he can at least save his Senate seat. Although, if I were an Illinois resident, I'd be asking why he's getting paid to represent me in Congress when he doesn't even cast a vote so very, very, very much of the time.....

Posted by: Kentucky Woman | March 23, 2008 10:13 PM

Clinton is a Republican in brightly colored clown suits.

Posted by: Phil | March 23, 2008 10:13 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 10:14 PM

To the Obama Supporters on this Blog:
Let's just stay on message, avoid the name calling and bitterness and sometimes even overt prejudice (like FARFALLE44 and Michael1945) from those who don't agree with us. It's not possible to win someone over by insults.

Even if we don't change the minds of the people posting, many silent readers look at these blogs, see the candidates' messages through our actions and make up their own minds.

Hillary Clinton is my second choice, and I will support her if Obama loses the nomination. I am unhappy with the way she ran her campaign and I think she was a victim of poor advisers. That, and not Obama, are the biggest reason she is trailing.

By creating the impression that Obama makes the rules and doesn't want FL and MI delegates seated, she does further damage to downstream state and congressional Democrats on the ticket in those two states in November. Very sad. Since the FL and MI superdelegates got everyone into the mess, maybe we should count the original primaries and exclude their superdelegates from counting.

Posted by: asja | March 23, 2008 10:15 PM

| --

I'm not bluffing.

You are a single-character symbol.


Posted by: sveader | March 23, 2008 10:16 PM

what is the biggest danger to the Clintons and Obamas campaigns???


the repulsive scammers controlling them.


evidence:

maq1 using 4 different names repeatedly wrote:

I can't believe anyone buys into the Clinton fanatic's propaganda....


A. BigOne replies:

this is pure ROVIAN SPIN, borrowed form Goebbels and propagandists through the ages...he don't believe it, he be sellin it... Period....

fanatics, libs, dems, socialists, negrahs, wimmen, laborahs, yankee doodle dandies....


ALLLLLLLLLL of the


"vileness," here today, nicely exhibited by hillary hating posters here....is re_pulsive scammer based....


IT's NOT OBAMA SUPPORTERS...


during the 1972 McGovern Nixon challenge, McGovern was considered the stronger challenger


and so the repulisive scammers used character asassination to defeat McGovern, much as you see Hillary being attacked now...

Hubert Humphrey was put forward as "the more reasonable," what they really meant was Hubert was the "more defeatable,"


Obama is the _weaker_ candidate....he's all flavor with no nutrition...he's ghetto food...

SEARCH on 1972 KARL ROVE, McGovern.


Plus for every degree of anger between people voting for either Hillary or Obama the repulsive scammers can count on a swing vote or a non vote if their candidate doesn't get nominated.


I would say that about 40 PERCENT of the VILENESS and INNUENDO from posters here is repulsive scammer based.


I recognize a lot of the posters as being repulsive scammers, you can tell from their mode of attack....


it's usually spin and "appeal to emotion," very little logic


just name calling and playground tactics...slime, innuendo, impugning character,

EXAMPLES: purple lips, ankleless Annie


that kind of thing.


it's what they do. They have been doing it at the Washington Post, for the last 4 years.


as bushCO and CRONY _supporters_


just because george w. is gone doesn't mean bushCO and CRONYs disappears.


the BUSH FAMILIES AND SAUDIS

Carlyle Group is going to buy part of Booze-Allen-Hamilton and Sprint

Rumsfelds' Bechtel is still a heavy player in the world of Consulting/Contracting

Cheneys Halliburton, KBR, Blackwater is going gangbuster and just got two new congressional lobbyists

LOOK:
Among the Womble Carlyle lobbyists

representing Blackwater

are: John Mashburn, former general counsel and policy director for Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H.,

who is the top

Republican


on the Senate ?Budget? Committee;

and Mark Harkins, who was chief of staff to

Rep. Brad Miller, D-N.C.,

chairman of the Investigations [ ha ha ha !!!] and

???Oversight???

subcommittee of the House Science and Technology Committee.


EXPOSE THE FALSE DEMOCRATS.....

ps. "the past" is what you will be walking into regardless of who gets elected....only one person knows that it matters....and that is Hillary.


you don't treat crabgrass with respect and you don't make friends with ticks and bedbugs....you eliminate them....


Carter learned that the hard way....

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 10:16 PM

asja --

Your post proves yet again that Obama supporters are mindless members of a cult.

"Just stay on message?"

Sheesh.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 10:18 PM

I am displeased with the people whom Senator Clinton has chosen to surround herself. I really hope they are not indicative of cabinet members she would select. james Carville should shut his mouth. He does not work for the Clinton camp. So they did not get the Richardson endorsement. Handle it gracefully, presidentially, if you will, and move forward.

Posted by: ABB | March 23, 2008 10:18 PM

"You see Barack Obama at that rally surrounded by all those Kennedys? Man, I couldn't tell if he was running for president or bartender." --Jay Leno

Posted by: clintonyeah | March 23, 2008 10:19 PM

"AFRICAN AMERICAN POPULATION 18%

HISPANIC AMERICAN POPULATION 33%"

To the person who cited these incorrect stats, you need to do your research. Blacks are about 12% of the U.S. population and Hispanics are about 13%, for a total of 25%. Asians make up about 6%, but are concentrated in a few states, mostly on the West Coast. Whites make up about 70% of the U.S. population.

Posted by: GwenR | March 23, 2008 10:19 PM

Hey asja,

The big problem is that there are 1.2 billion Indians and 1.6 billion muslims. Of course, some of the muslims are in the indian count.

I won't argue that india graduates more engineers because of the population differences. However, the quality of the indian education is suspect. I, for one, will never knowingly have an indian for a medical doctor or have an indian design my building. I don't speak to customer service which originates in india. I am a person who listens very closely to people with accents and the indian English accent is too thick to be clearly understood, especially with technical questions.

Go ahead and report me to the site provider. This is my opinion and, if I remember correctly, we still have some free speech in this country.

You call your country, "the world's largest democracy." That is for publication only because the "untouchables," or whatever name they changed them to, don't vote because your upper class, in your "classless" society, won't let them.

When is the next descendant of Nehru going to pop up and lead the "democracy?" Crawl on back to your country and curl up in a hovel.

Posted by: Michael1945 | March 23, 2008 10:20 PM

well stated, asja!

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 10:20 PM

Nice guy Bill Richardson is absolutely right about the trained seals surrounding Hillary.

He just is too discrete to lay the blame on the couple that hired them.

Don'tcha just love it when a real foreign policy expert tells you that he'd rather have Barack Obama answer that three o'clock in the morning phone call that Hillary?

Hillary's "Apres moi le deluge" schtick is so false on so many levels.

After her, let's hope for a flood of truth.

What the Clintons are doing now is grinding into dust whatever remains of their legacy.

Viva Bill Richardson! Buen hecho hombre!

Posted by: martin edwin andersen | March 23, 2008 10:20 PM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=36T1fnIafC0
This guy is simply a racist!
Barack should have used better judgement but still will not condemn this man.

How can you supporters be fooled? I would rather 4 more years of W

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 10:20 PM

Obama is the leading Democratic candidate at this time. Let him stay in lime light to coming week......

Teflon is coming off...

Racist hate monger was last weeks problem...

Support of domestic terrorism will be upcoming problem....

Rezko paying for his land next to his house will become more clear.....

His treat of his dying mother.....

His treatment of his previous competitors, starting from Sen Alice Palmer, Sen Mason Blair and his grand children, Jack Ryan and his 9 year old boy will show people the real Obama......

Clinton's have taken heat from Media and Republican for over 30 years, Obama is just a new character, a vicious one, to join that parade.....

People will win over the elite co** and as* (causus) goes.....

Kettles bottom is starting to show up in media little bit at a time..... teflon in melting away....

Posted by: Seed of Change | March 23, 2008 10:21 PM

As someone from the years of the Carter administration recently noted:

"You can always count on the Clintons to be there when they need you."

That sums it up perfectly.

Posted by: Susan E. | March 23, 2008 10:21 PM

Straight Shooter - The 7:35 posting by "Fairlington Blade" is a forgery. I'm spitting mad at the moment. Putting up such a posting is a cowardly act. Given that one can post under a pseudonym, I'm bewildered as to why one would bother to forge a post.

The comments expressed by whoever the hell wrote that post are not my own. Although I profoundly disagree with the opinions of Rev. Wright, one of my closest friends happens to expouse some opinions I find objectionable. The pundustry (thanks Gene!) would slam me for a similar association.

To the Washington Post: I request that this posting be removed. Please check to see if it originated from a forged IP address.

BB

[The trademark of a true Fairlington Blade post. It stands for buckyball or buh-bye.]

Posted by: Fairlington Blade | March 23, 2008 10:23 PM

Senator Obama answered doubts about his inexperience by saying he has gained tremendous insight from his work as a community organizer, civil rights attorney, constitutional law professor, key club president, 4H treasurer, lunch room monitor, two years of jazz, and four years of tap." --Amy Poehler

Posted by: dmm | March 23, 2008 10:24 PM

svreader had no mama.
One more thing to blame Obama
for a life that isn't right.
He/she/it is full of spite.

Facts were never brought to bear
in the quest to bring despair
to Obama's throngs of fans.
They just answer "Yes We Can."

Logic falters, hair is pulled
while the three-word answer mulled
in svreader's crumbling mind
echoes up a twisted spine.

Fingers fly, the keyboard hisses.
svreader's fury misses
once again in forumland
comes the answer: Yes. We. Can.

Posted by: rippermccord | March 23, 2008 10:24 PM

Ha Ha hA! , GOOD ONE, SV READER!-AND ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ON THE MONEY! OBAMA SUPPORTERS CAN'T SEEM TO THINK IN ANY WAY OTHER THAN MINDLESS GENERALIZATIONS AND GROUP, THINK, YES?

Posted by: FARFALLE44 | March 23, 2008 10:24 PM

The empress has no clothes, and more and more of us are discovering this each day.

Posted by: Someone should tell... | March 23, 2008 10:24 PM

The truth will be end of Barry Obama.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 08:02 PM

What would you possibly know about truth you sad bleating troll?

If you are typical of the Clinton supporters, no wonder her campaign is going down the tubes.

Your constant stream of lies and whining are not even mildly entertaining. What are you going to do when the trolling fees dry up?

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 10:24 PM

asja: if you look at your numbers, virtually all of the difference in both popular vote and delegate count is made up of Obama's home state of Ill, which, unlike, Calif, Ohio, FL and a number of other states Hillary won, will go Democrat in the fall regardless of who the nominee is.

According to a media count after the Miss. primary, if the Democratic primaries mimicked the general election, like the GOP primaries do, Hillary would have about 260 electoral votes to Obama's 190. It only takes 270 electoral votes to win in the fall.

The Democratic nominee wins in the fall by winning the way Hillary has won so far, fewer but larger states. Obama has so far won the way the GOP wins in the fall, smaller but more states. Obama cannot expect to win that way in the fall when he has GOP opposition. For example, Obama is not likely to win in Miss. where he won in the primary by one of his largest margins. Miss. has not voted for a Democratic president since 1976 and polls there show Obama losses to McCain.

If the Dems want to win in the fall, they need to nominate the candidate who has so far won they way they must win in the fall, and that is Hillary.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 10:25 PM

I have accepted that Hillary has a right to carry on her campaign up until now. But I agree the super delegates need to step up and end this.

Obama needs to hit the trail and start campaigning for "down ticket" congress people and senators. If he able to do that soon enough he could stretch his coat tails and we could actually have a chance to have a veto proof Congress and with a little stretch, approach a filibuster proof senate!

Imagine what Obama could achieve with such a congress behind him! The Clintons are smart-they know that the math suggests that the only way she can get the nomination is to wrest it from Obama at the convention which will have dire consequences. Under those circumstances she could NOT win the general election and the Dems could be severely hurt in the congressional/senatorial races.

If either of them cares for Democratic values and the country they would not contemplate winning the nomination under these circumstances.

Time to show some true leadership Hillary and step aside.

Posted by: drw3222 | March 23, 2008 10:25 PM

Of course, Bill Clinton's comment about Hllary and McCain "loving their country" was not an "innocent remark" as Ed Rendell claims. Instead, it was a cold, calculated political attack on Obama. Clinton ended his statement with "and that's why I'm supporting her." It's obvious that he is pushing the "God damn America" button. Stupid people won't understand this attack, but they will slobber on cue like Pavlov's dogs hearing a ringing bell. "Fair minded people" know exactly what Bill Clinton is up to, and they're right to call him on it.

I proudly voted for Bill Clinton twice, but he's now on a course that will damage both his legacy and the Democratic Party. He and Hillary need to accept defeat before they sink further into the cesspool they have dug for themselves.

Posted by: Dan | March 23, 2008 10:26 PM

asja --

Obama's "jedi mind tricks" don't work on these boards anymore.

Barry Obama won in Chicago by forcing everyone else off the ballot using by legal tricks.

He's doing the same kind of thing by supressing Florida and Michigan voters votes.

Its not going to work.

Mainstream Democrats are more angry than you can imagine and aren't going to let Obama get away with blocking Florida and Michigan's right to vote.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 10:26 PM

I agree that it is time to stop this - it's terribly counterproductive. We need to concentrate on the Republicans, starting right now.

The Clintons need to be gracious and bow out. They really ought to go out in style instead of in flames and smoking acrimony. It would be about the best thing that could happen for the party and for the Democratic candidate, who needs to concentrate on McCain and on coattails.

Posted by: fed | March 23, 2008 10:27 PM

but god forbid an indian citizen crticize the indian government for their treatment of the "untouchables"...they would immeidately be accused of being an unpatriotic, anti-Indian radical!

at least america's "upper class" never denied anyone the right to vote...or if that did happen, no one is old enough to remember it anyways!

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 10:27 PM

svreader had no mama.
One more thing to blame Obama
for a life that isn't right.
He/she/it is full of spite.

Facts were never brought to bear
in the quest to bring despair
to Obama's throngs of fans.
They just answer "Yes We Can."

Logic falters, hair is pulled
while the three-word answer mulled
in svreader's crumbling mind
echoes down a twisted spine.

Fingers fly, the keyboard hisses.
svreader's fury misses
once again in forumland
comes the answer: Yes. We. Can.

Posted by: rippermccord | March 23, 2008 10:28 PM

Calling a man Judas because he doesn't support your candidate, despite the fact your candidate's husband gave him a couple appointments reeks of entitlement. (i.e. "Hey Richardson, don't you know you owe us? I mean do you really think we would have picked you on merit alone?").

Then there's suggesting the frontrunner should be the vice president of the person lagging behind in pledged delegates, total delegates, and popular vote. Because, didn't you know, the person trailing is actually more entitled to the nomination.

Then there's suggesting that a couple state's primaries should only count, after agreeing they wouldn't, when it's politically expedient. After all, now that they voted they aid the candidate that is entitled to the nomination ... and if you don't agree with me, or my entitlement, then you are in favor of disenfranchisement.

Then there is trying to win via a superdelegate coup because they should surely realize that it is the second place candidate, not the frontrunner, who is really entitled to the nomination. And when they fail to immediatly buy that argument, then you should attack the frontrunner with everything you have because you are entitled to what he is presuming to take from you.

Then there's arguing that caucuses shouldn't count because the caucus-goers apparently have failed to digest that the candidate they keep dissing is actually entitled to win their state's delegates ... but then again, they don't count anyway because they haven't contributed to aiding the entitled candidate.

Then there is failing to concede when you are obviously defeated, despite the fact that your continued candidacy is hurting your own party's chances of winning in November. "Whatever, f*@k my party if they can't figure out that I am entitled to the nomination."

Yup, Richardson must be off his rocker.

Posted by: jed757 | March 23, 2008 10:28 PM

IN HONOR OF THE POOR WHO FROZE TO DEATH IN OBAMA'S SLUMS:
OBAMA'S SLUMS by "W.P. Svreader"
Based on Chicago by Graham Nash

Obama's voters froze to death,
And they found us in his slums,
Won't the press come to Chicago
Just to see,
In a land that's known as freedom,
How can such a thing be fair?
Won't the press come to Chicago
So our souls can finally rest?.
You say change the World.
Rearrange the World.
We're dying
You just give us fancy words..
Politicians act like clowns,
Give you nothing but hot air
You used us in Chicago.
People died.
Don't ask Obama to help you
Cause he'll turn the other ear.
Won't the press come to Chicago
People died.
He says change the World.
Rearrange / rearrange the World.
We're dying / is there no justice?
We're dying / You don't deserve your freedom!.
We're dying / We had a right to Llive!
You say -- Rules and regulations who needs them?
Open up the door.
Our souls must be set free,
And we hope the day comes soon.
Won't the press come to Chicago?
:To show the world you real face.
From the bottom of the ocean
To the mountains of the Moon.
Barry come back to Chicago
You're a traitor to your race!
You say change / yes we can change the World.
Rearrange / rearrange the World.
We're dying / We demand our justice
We're dying / You don't deserve your freedom.
We're dying / We had a right to Live!..
You say -- Rules and regulations, who needs them?
Open up the door.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 10:28 PM

quite the poet ripper
sorry though, Hillary will be the best nominee against McCain.

Posted by: dmm | March 23, 2008 10:28 PM

Absolute loyalty is essential to the survival of Lord Carville and Crown Princess Hilary's hereditary system of government. Thus, their outrage at the Most Honorable Richardson's defection to a more democratic state is expected.

Thankfully, neither Lord Carville nor Crown Princess Hilary possess the power to execute those they deem as traitors.

Long Live the Most Honorable Richardson!

Posted by: Catherine | March 23, 2008 10:29 PM

Of course they feel entitled to it, entitlement is the first and most important tenet of progressivism.

Posted by: Q-bert | March 23, 2008 10:29 PM

If I had a choice, I would have preferred to have been born white in society. Being born black is like a curse from God. It seems, blacks are hated by most races and ethnic groups on the planet earth. It's strange, God gave all over races nice straight or curly hair, but he cursed us with nappy hair and Negroid features. I look at those young preppy white men and women at Georgetown, American, Catholic, and George Washington Universities here in Washington. It appears, they don't have a care in the world. Hispanics want to identify with being white, because black people are seen as negative. Spanish television is a good example with white faces, blond hair, and green or blue eyes. I hate being a black man or person in society. Hopefully, I want have to deal with discrimination in Heaven or Hell. White folks are lying if they say blacks have the same opportunities as whites in America. Being born white, blond, blue eyes, attractive, and poor gives you a better chance of making it in the United States. I can't wait to for death to come. Being black is depressing and a cruse to me. I have lost my faith! What God would let these types of things happen? God have blessed whites with the finer things on the planet earth, but it appears, God hates black people. I am one of them. This is not a joke. I can assure you, I am a black man living in Washington, D.C. I know, there are other blacks who share my feelings, but they are afraid to say it. Voting for Hillary or Barack will not matter in my life. Rev. Wright was on point with some of his comments. I wish whites could be black in America for one day in our shoes and see what blacks have to experience, before they yell reverse discrimination.

Posted by: Voting Will Not Help Me | March 23, 2008 10:31 PM

I agree that it is time to stop this - it's terribly counterproductive. We need to concentrate on the Republicans, starting right now.

Obama needs to be gracious and bow out. He really ought to go out in style instead of in flames and smoking acrimony. It would be about the best thing that could happen for the party and for the Democratic candidate, who needs to concentrate on McCain.

So Obama please bow out...America will not vote for you in the general election.

You have shown America who you really are and we don't like that you support hatred, racism and anti-american propoganda.

So Obama please bow out...for the sake of the party and our nation. For once think of someone other than yourself.


Posted by: fed

Posted by: ann | March 23, 2008 10:31 PM

rippermccord: Brilliant!!!

svreader had no mama.
One more thing to blame Obama
for a life that isn't right.
He/she/it is full of spite.

Facts were never brought to bear
in the quest to bring despair
to Obama's throngs of fans.
They just answer "Yes We Can."

Logic falters, hair is pulled
while the three-word answer mulled
in svreader's crumbling mind
echoes down a twisted spine.

Fingers fly, the keyboard hisses.
svreader's fury misses
once again in forumland
comes the answer: Yes. We. Can.

Posted by: Maryland Democrat | March 23, 2008 10:31 PM

rippermccord --

This is getting tiresome. I keep posting proof. You keep denying its existance.

This one's for you!

Please Watch this report on Obama, Obama's slums, Rezko, and $100M of wasted taxpayer money, from Channel 5, Chicago's most respected TV news program.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHsHM0laT8&feature=related

How do you explain away the fact that Barry Obama never followed up on the 11 slums that his friend Rezko was supposed to repair in Obama's district in Chicago, and continued to do nothing about the 40 slums that Rezko was supposed to repair or replace in Chicago, even after Obama joined the US Senate?

From the Chicago Sun Times:

For more than five weeks during the brutal winter of 1997, tenants shivered without heat in a government-subsidized apartment building on Chicago's South Side.

It was just four years after the landlords -- Antoin "Tony'' Rezko and his partner Daniel Mahru -- had rehabbed the 31-unit building in Englewood with a loan from Chicago taxpayers.

Rezko and Mahru couldn't find money to get the heat back on.

But their company, Rezmar Corp., did come up with $1,000 to give to the political campaign fund of Barack Obama, the newly elected state senator whose district included the unheated building....

The building in Englewood was one of 30 Rezmar rehabbed in a series of troubled deals largely financed by taxpayers. Every project ran into financial difficulty. More than half went into foreclosure, a Chicago Sun-Times investigation has found.

"Their buildings were falling apart,'' said a former city official. "They just didn't pay attention to the condition of these buildings.''

Eleven of Rezko's buildings were in Obama's state Senate district....

Rezko and Mahru had no construction experience when they created Rezmar in 1989 to rehabilitate apartments for the poor under the Daley administration. Between 1989 and 1998, Rezmar made deals to rehab 30 buildings, a total of 1,025 apartments. The last 15 buildings involved Davis Miner Barnhill & Galland during Obama's time with the firm.

Rezko and Mahru also managed the buildings, which were supposed to provide homes for poor people for 30 years. Every one of the projects ran into trouble:

* Seventeen buildings -- many beset with code violations, including a lack of heat -- ended up in foreclosure.

* Six buildings are currently boarded up.

* Hundreds of the apartments are vacant, in need of major repairs.

* Taxpayers have been stuck with millions in unpaid loans.

* At least a dozen times, the city of Chicago sued Rezmar for failure to heat buildings.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 10:32 PM

Thanks Bill Richardson, for speaking out about the sense of entitlement pervasive in the Clinton camp.

No one is entitled to the Presidency.

You would think at this juncture where they are behing in popular votes, states won, and total delegates that the Clinton camp would start getting it.

They are too inbred though to realize that it is the new millenium and what Bill and Hill say is no longer the democratic party social gosepel.

The only thing they are entitled to do is retire for the national stage with the little grace and integrity they have left.

Posted by: vis278 | March 23, 2008 10:33 PM

I guess Richardson was promised V.P. huh.
What about him and those gerbils anyway?

Posted by: jjjjjjj | March 23, 2008 10:33 PM

Blue Dog Democrat,

Nobody really cares about the democrat party in dc. They are as relevant to the rest of the country as the dc republicans are to dc. You have to live in a STATE for your vote and voice to even have a chance to matter.

I left dc in 1976 and two of the reasons were that I wanted representation and I also wanted to get away from that phony home rule and Marion Barry.

Posted by: Michael1945 | March 23, 2008 10:34 PM

asja: Even your own numbers show that the difference in popular vote and delegate count is made-up entirely of Obama's home state of Ill., which will vote for the Democratic candidate in the fall regardless of who the candidate is, unlike Ohio, Calif and other states Hillary has won.

Hillary has won so far the way Democrats win in the fall, fewer and larger states. Obama has won the way the GOP wins in the fall, more and smaller states. Obama cannot expect to win that way in the fall, when he will have GOP opposition. For example, Obama will not likely win Miss., where he won by one of his biggest margins. Miss. has voted GOP since 1976 and polls there show McCain beats Obama.

If the Dems want to win in the fall, they need to nominate a candidate that wins the way they must in the fall. That candidate is Hillary.

Posted by: Moral Protagonist | March 23, 2008 10:36 PM

Massive props to Richardson for saying what many of us are thinking- including busting out the 'e'-word.

Bill, Carville, Terry McAuliffe, Patti Solis-Doyle, they all act as though of course Hillary Clinton should be the nominee; why shouldn't she, since the Clintons have meant so much to the Democratic Party in modern times?

Being a Democratic convert, I've noticed that this party, moreso than the Republicans, is fond of political 'royal families.' The Rockefellers (nowadays at least), the Roosevelts, the Kennedys, the Gores (to an extent), and now the Clintons, all with a multi-generational grip on intraparty power. This isn't necessarily a bad thing- I can't deny the Kennedy family has turned out some excellent progressive politicians. But it can lead to a sense of entitlement, as we're seeing here.

And since the Clintons came to the party as unapologetic outsiders, far more centrist than leftist and from the South rather than New England or the West Coast, I wonder if this sense of extreme personal loyalty is fueled by feelings of inadequacy, a desire to prove that their name can be as powerful and influential within the party as the Kennedy name is.

Posted by: Tina | March 23, 2008 10:36 PM

vis278 --

In a little while, Obama's supporters will be very glad Hillary didn't drop out.

Barry Obama's history is catching up to him.

He's not going to be able to talk his way out of it.

He can't out-run the truth.

The truth will be the end of Chicago Barry Obama.

His Teflon is turning to rust.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 10:37 PM

Voting Will Not Help Me,

Your time is coming...hang in there. God doesn't hate blacks. I think he hates everybody on earth.

Posted by: Michael1945 | March 23, 2008 10:38 PM

to voting will not help me-- if you are sincere then I would welcome you to my hometown. Maybe its time for a change. Racism occurs on all sides, in all nations, Obama will not erase racism no matter what he claims, because racism comes from within an individual. Surround yourself with people who want to move forward and not dwell in the past. Holding grudges and having a chip on ones shoulder is counterproductive. We can only unite if all are willing

Posted by: dmm | March 23, 2008 10:40 PM

Voting Will Not Help Me

I am sorry you feel so badly about being black.

However, I would dare to say that there are many people who are suffering in America. Let's start with Native American who are still deprived of their lands. They are truly the most overlooked and abused minority.

What about the white people that suffer in Appalachia....they live in third world poverty..and are practically ignored by Americans.

I know your pain is real...but there are many others....American Indian, White, Hispanic, Asian who are also suffering and their pain is just a real.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 10:40 PM

Voting Will Not Help Me

I am sorry you feel so badly about being black.

However, I would dare to say that there are many people who are suffering in America. Let's start with Native American who are still deprived of their lands. They are truly the most overlooked and abused minority.

What about the white people that suffer in Appalachia....they live in third world poverty..and are practically ignored by Americans.

I know your pain is real...but there are many others....American Indian, White, Hispanic, Asian who are also suffering and their pain is just a real.

Posted by: mary | March 23, 2008 10:40 PM

I voted for Hillary in the primary but am now
supporting Obama. The reason I am is because it is clear to me that a majority of my fellow Democrats support him as well. It was never really about the candidates anyway. Its about change. I want the largest majority possible to vote against republican domination.
It is republican ideology that has created all these problems. Jobs sacrificed for corporate profits to companies who don't care about America outside of how much they can sell back to us. Health research heavily subsidized by the government becoming less and less available to the average taxpayer. Trashing our constitution and civil liberties. Running to and thirsting for wars that create only more conflict. These are the dangerous things I believe are more important than which D we elect. Before that can happen, electing a D has to happen. Hillary is hurting the chance of that. Hillary needs to get out. Looking now at her scorched earth campaign, I am sorry I voted for her. Pennsylvania can't get here fast enough for me.

Posted by: Kevin | March 23, 2008 10:40 PM


a few things the baaaaaaaaaaaaa man don't know...


George Herbert Walker Bush, george w's father.

Bush, as director of the CIA, had funneled enormous amounts of cash to drug runners including Manuel Noriega and helped in the destabilization of Argentina....Colombia, Honduras, Ecuador, Panama...and other countries...


Bush utilized his own connections to help fund drug runners from Laos to Panama.

SEARCH ON George H.W. Bush, Gary Webb, Parry, Departement of Justice Letter of understanding with the CIA


READ the letter, it gives the CIA the ability to drug traffick and not report profit or suffer prosecution....FREE MONEY, un regulated / off-the-books

Most shocking was the so-called "cocaine coup" in Bolivia in June 1980, masterminded by fugitive Nazi Klaus Barbie, "The Butcher Of Lyons." Barbie, who had been previously secreted in Latin America by the CIA, began working closely with the Argentines and used drug money to finance a neo-Nazi cabal, one that succeeded in overthrowing the government. The troops swept through the capital wearing Nazi armbands, according to former DEA agent Mike Levine. George H.W. Bush later facilitated the Iran-contra affair, employing many of the same methods: secretly selling Central American cocaine in America and weapons to Iran while using the profits to fund the contras and to overthrow democratically elected socialists in Central America.

and in 2000 in AMERICA


As the head of the CIA and later as Vice President, toppled democratically elected regimes in South and Central America and began propping up a dictator by the name of Saddam Hussein in Iraq.


Although forbidden by congress to do so, he continued to sell chemical and biological weapons to Saddam even after he used them on villages of innocent civilians. A decade later The United States had to go to war against him and the Bush family again, made $GAZILLIONS$ from it....and the war profiteering company

Carlyle Group


daddy prescott bush got his start in war profiteering in the early 1920's


SEARCH on BUSH CRIME family, nazis


it's a hoot.


GEORGE H.W. should have been arrested for treason against Jimmy Carter. As well as being prosecuted for his involvement in IRAN CONTRA.


SEARCH on IRAN CONTRA, George H.W. BUSH, Cheney to the rescue


.


.

Posted by: what the baaaaaaaaaa man don't know... | March 23, 2008 10:41 PM

But Dan, Obama is "above it all" right? He didn't try to twist Hillary's words about MLK, calling them racist, prompting Sen. Rangel to call Obama ridiculous? He didn't say about Hillary "it must be that time of the month"-a disgusting sexist comment, did he? Obama's political analyst didn't just get fired for calling Hillary a "monster" did he? And of course, Obama and his handlers didn't "disinvite" the good Rev. Wright from giving an invocation ONE YEAR AGO WHEN OBAMA ANNOUNCED HIS CANDIDACY, BECAUSE THEY KNEW THEN THAT REV. WRIGHT WAS TOO...CONTROVERSIAL, NOW DID THEY?

To quote Pete Axelrod, Obama's political strategist, who told Rev. Wright not to show up in Feb. 2007:

There was no doubt that there was controversy surrounding him," Axelrod said Sunday. "And we didn't want to expose him ... [or] make him the target and a distraction on a day when Sen. Obama was going to announce his candidacy."

LA Times

SO, WHY DID OBAMA LIE TO THE PUBLIC AND SAY HE HAD NEVER HEARD WRIGHT MAKE ANY RACIST COMMENTS IF HE ALREADY HAD AGREED THAT WRIGHT COULD NOT APPEAR WITH HIM AND GIVE AN INVOCATION ONE YEAR EARLIER AT HIS CANDIDACY ANNOUNCEMENT, HUH?

And as for Obama's disavowal of Rev. Wright, what about this past July 2007?

The lengthy Newsmax report by Ronald Kessler said its correspondent, Jim Davis, attended services on July 22, 2007, at the Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago's South Side and saw Obama in attendance. Kessler's story states:

"In his sermon that day, Wright tore into America, referring to the 'United States of White America' and lacing his sermon with expletives as Obama listened. Hearing Wright's attacks on his own country, Obama had the opportunity to walk out, but Davis said the senator sat in his pew and nodded in agreement."

Report, LA Times

I'm telling you, OBAMA IS ONE DECEPTIVE, DISINGENUOUS, NOT TO BE TRUSTED FOR A MINUTE SOB-IT IS AMAZING THAT PEOPLE REFUSE TO SEE THE REAL OBAMA COMING FORTH.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 10:42 PM

Hats off to Richardson for doing a gutsy act and echoing the comments of many former Republicans like me. We are tired of dynastic politics, Bush, Clinton, Bush, ?Clinton...oh, no. We need change. If McCain was not a senile dud, I may have considered him, but still voted for Obama since he is to me a breath of fresh air. This country needs to change from its race-neuroses and begin to treat all Americans consistent with our credo. I am not an African American. I am a US Army veteran who fought in the first Gulf War.

I cannot vote for anyone that wants to keep losing our soldiers and treasury in that no-win desert mire! If Obama is not the nominee of the Democratic Party, I will stay home since I can never vote for Hillary or McCain since I see little difference between the two since both are beholden to moneybags!!

Posted by: Alex | March 23, 2008 10:44 PM

Michael1945, you are right, the Democratic Party doens't matter in D.C., but the Democrats across the board supports illegal immigration and haven't done a darn to take action to address this serious problem.

Voting Will Not Help Me, being black in the United States can be rough. Sometimes, I use to wonder what it would be like if I were born white in the United States. I think, many blacks have felt this at one point in their life. There's nothing you are I can do to change the color of our skin or who we are. I have been told, God loves us all, but sometimes I too have my doubts.

Michael1945, that was funny, you thing God hates everyone. lol

Posted by: BlueDogDemocrat | March 23, 2008 10:45 PM

God does not hate. Hate is a manmade emotion. No one should hate. Disagree, strongly disapprove, but not hate. God Bless.

Posted by: dmm | March 23, 2008 10:45 PM

Voting won't help me --

Hang in there.

Obama won't help you.

Hillary will.

Both Hillary and Bill have real feelings.

I've known lots of great Black Engineers and Black Executives.

Find what you love to do and devote yourself to becoming the best there is.

I'll tell you a secret.

When I was I little kid, I thought I couldn't be an Engineer because I wasn't black.

Why?

Because the Engineer on "Mission Impossible" was black and I wasn't.

Lots of people believe lots of silly things when they don't have accurate information.

Never wish for death.

It comes too soon for all of us.


Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 10:46 PM

what does war profiteering have to do with O'bama being a inadequate personality to be president ?????

he calls history "the past," instead of


what he has to work with.


What does he think? The Military Industrial Complex is going away overnight ???? Ask JFK how he feels about the Military Industrial Complex...


you can't? why is that?


.could I fix it? yes. could Hillary and her team fix it? yes.


Could Obama fix it?


how? to him the problem doesn't exist. it's below his radar he'll fix it when he gets elected....how the same way he fixes things in Chicago


he outsmarts some stupid ordinary people...


I guess he doesn't understand the concept of

landed
royalty
aristocracy
lineage
plutocracy
oligarchy


and people that would keep an entire race from learning to read and write so that they could keep them enslaved....


and those people didn't disappear after the slaves were freed, they moved north...

and some of them made and kept alliances with Britain...


so feudalism, keeping the peasants under control is indeed the reality that


O'bama is trying to sweep under the carpet....because he doen't want to see it....that makes him a good choice for INSIDER WASHINGTON


he won't see or understand what they are doing and so

"he'll have fixed it."


and bought what the repulsivescammers / insider washington are selling


sold the United States for 3 magic beans...their machine somehow got an alcoholic pedophile druguser into the presidency in 2000 and 2004 without the press squeakingwhatisthatserendipity or control


wake up sheeple.


.SNL was right.


. PeeWee ain't been tested....he got no answers....nlessin you mean he got the handwavin down....he got dat

TREASON in the WHITEHOUSE....collusion with the enemy and you all think you found something....


hell this is a Karl Rove, link the enemy to "an event," ploy and you gomers be eatin' it up...


as the Nation sinks into the sea...


and you taking a ride on the repukelickings spin machine....

that has been crapping on the Clintons for 16 years....


and you buying it like the _opportunist_ that o baaaaaaaaaaaaa man ....actually is...


it's a fact jack...you duh sleeeeeeeeze and Bill Richardson, he on his knees to George W.


but you to dumb to see,


heh heh heh....


oooooooooooooooooooh my.


.


.

Posted by: what the baaaaaaaaaaaaaa man don't know... | March 23, 2008 10:46 PM

It is pretty obvious that most of the hostile posts from people trying to look like Hillary supporters are really Republicans. Are there some Hillary supporters who are frustrated enough to say they would stay home or vote for McCain instead of Obama? Sure, some, although most will get over it before Nov. But they would not be using all of the Drudge talking points to express their opinion. Democratic dudes, it is time to sign out of this forum, some Karl Rove Jr. gave you all guns, set you up in a circle and lit off some firecrackers.

Posted by: Nelson | March 23, 2008 10:47 PM

svreader:
Obama has detailed policy positions on more than 23 topics ranging from Civil Rights, Foreign Policy, Energy, Economy to Technology and Veterans Affairs. His message is very detailed, in all covers hundreds of pages, and it takes a lot of energy to stay focused in the face of continued insults from you and others.

No we are not a cult. You do not have to vote for Obama if you feel he is not the right candidate. You can change America starting with you own community, regardless of the candidate you prefer.

There are many serious issues to be dealt with for future generations. I personally support him because I recognize that the path the country is taking is not sustainable. Our stature in the world has been permanently weakened by our adventures in Iraq. Our military is doing its best but the flawed and dishonest political strategy that put our troops in harm's way has been defeated and we cannot win. We have borrowed a trillion dollars from foreign nations to fight that war and I shall be paying for my student loans, social security deficits, the horrendous interest on that foreign debt long after the baby-boomers retire while getting no help with health-care benefits.

Gas has never been more expensive in my memory, my relative is about to be foreclosed, I cannot qualify for a mortgage and I do not feel any safer because of the war.

I also need a leader who understands that the world has changed more in the last 15 years than it did in the previous 40. Our new competition is India and China and they are growing far faster than we are while lending us the money we need to breathe.

I need a leader who understands that America's invincibility is an illusion and we must work with the community of nations to solve the world's greatest challenges like climate change, poverty that provides ripe recruitment for terror and human rights across the world. The status quo does not provide that global credibility because it supports some dictators while demonizing others, it keeps sores like Guantanamo open and it refuses to cooperate internationally unless its narrow agenda is served.

I need a leader who will take advice from people who don't agree with him/her -and disagree without dragging opponents through the mud. I need a leader who values technical competence over loyalty when building teams to solve problems. I need a leader who will understand the complexity of dealing with our most difficult questions like race, protecting the constitution, non-race based affirmative action, free markets and fair trade.

I have read his policies and I don't agree with all of them. I have read Senator Clinton's policies and I disagree with some of them too. But between the two Democrats, Senator Clinton is my second choice, primarily because her campaign has been sloppy sometimes and her advisers have mismanaged money and tactics. I am hardly a cult member.

Turning to your favorite topic: Obama submitted himself to cross-examination for hours, alone with the editorial boards of the Chicago newspapers that have been most critical of him on Rezko and other issues. This was an unprecedented step for a politician. He answered every question asked in great detail. The newspapers cross-checked their facts, criticized his lapse on the land transaction, and declared themselves satisfied with full editorials. I don't know what more you can ask of a human political candidate. Tax records?
The Obamas' tax records disclosure have been described by tax accountants as some of the most detailed disclosures they have ever seen a politician disclose in decades. What more do you want?

No candidate running for office I can remember has been the subject of more smears than Obama this early in a race. He's spent 2 weeks completely on the defensive yet somehow, the media is giving him a free pass.

Don't vote for him if you don't like him.

Posted by: asja | March 23, 2008 10:49 PM

P.S. asja: If the Democratic primaries mimicked the general election (winner take all) the way the GOP primaries do, Hillary would have about 260 electoral votes to Obama's 190. (Only 270 votes are needed to win.)

Dems have got to understand that if they ever want to retake the White House, they must nominate candidates the way the president is elected in the fall, like the GOP does. This proportional voting that gives minorities an advantage in the primaries, though laudable, does not often result in electable candidates in the fall.

Hillary has won in the primaries the way Dems must win in the fall and she has a sizable (theoretical) electoral vote lead over Obama.

The superdelegates were created to make sure the Dems put forth the most electable candidate. That candidate is Hillary.

Posted by: Moral Protagonist | March 23, 2008 10:49 PM

svreader,

in one more, last, final, bending-over-backwards attempt to do you the courtesy of justice,

I checked your link to the April 2007 video of a short local Chicago news report about Rezko and I also checked into what ties Sen. Obama may or may not have had to the situation as described in the Sun-Times article you quote.

Short answer: I had already read the article and seen the video. There is much that has been reported since then filling in most of the details, particularly an extended interview with Obama by a whole team of reporters for the Chicago Tribune, published about 10 days ago.

The truth: You are conflating separate events involving separate men whose lives overlapped in limited ways, just as mine has overlapped with yours through this forum more than a single shower can erase from my creeped-out skin.

Posted by: rippermccord | March 23, 2008 10:51 PM

Michael1945, you are right, the Democratic Party doesn't matter in D.C., but the Democrats across the board supports illegal immigration and haven't done a darn thing to take action to address this serious problem.

Voting Will Not Help Me, being black in the United States can be rough. Sometimes, I use to wonder what it would be like if I were born white in the United States? I think, many blacks have felt this at one point in their life. There's nothing you or I can do to change the color of our skin or who we are. I have been told, God loves us all, but sometimes I too have my doubts.

Michael1945, that was funny, you think God hates everyone. lol

Posted by: Correction By Blue Dog | March 23, 2008 10:51 PM

Uh, Nelson, as an Obama supporter, as usual, you hear what you want to hear and disregard the rest. I am a dyed in the wool DEMOCRAT, AND HAVE NEVER VOTED REPUBLICAN IN MY LIFETIME, BUT BY GOD, WATCH ME IN NOVEMBER-I'LL EASILY VOTE FOR MCCAIN-AND IT WILL BE A VOTE AGAINST THAT LYING, DISINGENUOUS NOT TO BE TRUSTED OBAMA, MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT THAT-AND ALL OF MY ARDENTLY DEMOCRATIC FRIENDS FEEL THE SAME WAY-WE WILL VOTE, IF OBAMA IS THE DEM. CANDIDATE, AND WE WILL VOTE FOR MCCAIN!

Posted by: FARFALLE44 | March 23, 2008 10:52 PM

Nelson --

The anger you see about Obama is real.

I'm left of Obama politically, but I will never vote for him for anything, and will vote for John McCain if that's what it takes to stop him.

I know too much about him to do anything else.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 10:54 PM

@ FARFALLE44 | March 23, 2008 10:12 PM
___________________________
You ought to visit Moscow, Dresden, Riyadh, or Dhamam, Istanbul, Cairo, Johannesburg, or Mexico City, Seoul, Tokyo, Jakarta, Aswan, Kosovo, Jakarta, Islamabad, Tehran, Caracas, Kingston, Port-Au-Prince, Harare, Nairobi,or Jeddah, Calcutta, Karachi, Rio, or take a stroll through Bangkok a few nights, say, for a month, just stroll around and be sure to tell the locals that you're an American, a white American Republican or Conservative White Democrat, who supports for our next President either Senator McCain or Clinton. And be sure to have your next of kin in the States notify the State Dept if he or she doesn't hear from you in 24 hours.

Posted by: thedefendant | March 23, 2008 10:55 PM

"...Let me get serious: Forget the tactical garbage that the Clintons are throwing. Take a longer view. Here's my estimate of the Clinton's deep game: They know the math is against them and cannot be overcome in the primaries (due to the proportional delegate system). So their only hope lies with the superdelegates...."

It's even worse than that: they know they're just about kaput with the primaries; however, if they dirty up Obama enough, during the primary campaign, to throw the general election to McCain, they're banking on John being a one term president. And, then, they'd have their shot, a very legitimate one, in 2012, when Hillary is only 64.

Posted by: R. lapidus | March 23, 2008 10:56 PM

Nelson

Yes we are so offended by Obamas shameless tactics and his biggoted remarks and support of people who promote hatred towards White Americans, Jews and the victims of 911 that we can no longer in good conscious support such an individual.

Obama has proven to be untrustworthy..lie after lie...so we can't even trust him on the issues.

Therefore we must vote in the best interest of America and OBAMA is not it.

I know you want to shame us into voting for him simply because he is a democrat...just like he tried to shame us into voting for him simply because he was black...but those tactics are'nt working anymore.

We vote NOBAMA 08.

We vote YES for Clinton...or YES for McCain.

Posted by: chula | March 23, 2008 10:56 PM

How does Obama plan to bring about his change. I voted for Hillary, but if he's the nominee, I want to know how he will unite everyone. Easier said than done. I think GW promised change too. Boy did he give us change, lots of it. Hillary may not promise the stars and moon but she will get our troops home and start working on getting our country heading in the right direction.

Posted by: dmm | March 23, 2008 10:56 PM

asja --

I can never forgive Barry Obama for what he did in Chicago.

People died.

People who trusted him to look out for them.

You cannot understand how much it angers me that he his public image is so far from the kind of person he actually is.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 10:56 PM

"...Let me get serious: Forget the tactical garbage that the Clintons are throwing. Take a longer view. Here's my estimate of the Clinton's deep game: They know the math is against them and cannot be overcome in the primaries (due to the proportional delegate system). So their only hope lies with the superdelegates...."

It's even worse than that: they know they're just about kaput with the primaries; however, if they dirty up Obama enough, during the primary campaign, to throw the general election to McCain, they're banking on John being a one term president. And, then they'd have their shot--and a very legitimate one--in 2012, when Hillary would only be 64.

Posted by: R. lapidus | March 23, 2008 10:58 PM

why do republicans hate america so?


they don't, they're simply put _ignorant_ of their effect.

they don't care about you or their eefects on the world.

because you're not real to them, they haven't encountered you...in some centuries. Do you think bush was feeling for the men and women dying in Vietnam? How could he, no one in his class was _over there_....Rummy Cheyney?


in a certain sense it is "business as usual,"


_they_

are old fashioned rulers.

They rule by ruleset, not by understanding what is happening.

Their words, and actions reflect a lack of appreciation or deeper understanding of what the world is going through...as a whole.

The prattling about democracy for Iraq as Africa is busy going up in flames and aids, and we sell them arms to further inflame their tribal wars....

the thoughtlessness, is evident in that they didn't realize that what the administration was saying was an _obvious_ lie, in light of what was going on in the rest of the world.

The mindset that they have and use is _inherited_.

It's olde European manipulation of wealth by the wealthy...they're not even American in a way...they are Stuarts...royalty. Bush Sr's uncle was part of the West Indies Spice company, which is multiple centuries old and why Poppy was involved with CIA in trying to depose Castro...in the early 50's...family business...not United States.


Rupert Murdoch is of the same molde even if he's newly rich...Austrailian owner of the media who attempted to monopolize it about 10 years ago...all he got was FOX and some others but not controlling interest in World media...they stopped that in California, as he tried to buy up several newspapers and some newscasting agencies.

Newer minds, unfettered by class belief, can see the effects that deals have on "the people," because in an enclosed society...one that has reached it's borders, we affect each other.


For the olde rich, the inherited,

part of the mindset is _they_ "the people" are not of our class and we are not affected by _them_ "the people."


ANY engineer can tell you that all parts of a ecological system affect each other.

Hell Heisenbergs uncertainy principle, tells you that.

.

this is like shooting fish in a barrel...


I would imagine that the repulsive scammers have infiltrated both camps and are ratcheting things up whilst the Obamanauts and the Hillary crowd try and make sense of it...


there is none. republicans have no character, no morality, and no agendae except to control


how do you identify a republican on these boards, find the people attributing those traits to Hillary.

and Bill


"bash the Clintons !!!"


has been the rushing limp bought's and Karls kid Goebbels ROVE's agendae for the last 16 years...


expect to see it continue until bush, rove, cheney, gonzales, libby, rumsfeld, baker, rice, eliot abrams, otto reich, wolfowitz, goss, negroponte, mcconnel, feith, kristol, krauthammer, perle, and others


are imprisoned for treasonous conduct....

and their sentences executed.

.

you don't understand the past, the land you're building your house on...


could be a problem, children don't want to plan for a trip...


they got a mom and dad to take care of them...


who gonna take care of you all?

the bama? right.


uh hummmmmm shure he know all 'bout it....he been there done thet


ummmmmmmmmm hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....

ha ha hah ahhhahahhahha right.


. like he's protesting about the false linking of Hillary right now


right, he's an honest non user ofa man.


. tisn't he, no actually he's not .

he played the race card Bill Clinton didn't neither did Geraldine Ferraro...


we just got a man that won't let "white," people talk lessin they say what he want...


. so who is white in Americkey nowdayz...


last I heard everyone's mitochondria said that we all had Afreecan orygins.


.we uns all black....blackness in America is an ethnicity, we don't share a common language or experience....


.

Posted by: beware the triffids.... | March 23, 2008 10:58 PM

Hillary is not qualified to be POTUS. Hillary is a product of NEPOTISM. The only thing she has ever done on her own, without the benefit of NEPOTISM, is graduate from Yale Law School (which is pretty impressive in and of itself). Partner at the Rose Law Firm that did heavy business with the State of AK....guess who she was married to...duh...the Gov; US Senator to a state she never lived in .....wife of the prez; presumed front runner and incumbent for the Dem nomination....wife of the prez. Hillary had no legislative accomplishments or record deeming her qualified to be POTUS. Hillary is an extremely overhyped, underachiving phoney riding on the shoulder of her husband...she has done nothing on her own.

Posted by: Cali Bud | March 23, 2008 10:59 PM

The Clintons and their supporters (including some on this page) come from the gutter. Hopefully we will send them to where they belong

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 10:59 PM

The Clintons and their supporters (including some on this page) come from the gutter. Hopefully we will send them to where they belong

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 10:59 PM

What happened to our American sense of fair play, the honorable opposition, and competitive spirit? Richardson took his time to make what was clearly a difficult decision. Enough of this garbage about Judas and silver -- the man made a choice that was clearly his to make. Everyone chooses from a uniquely personal perspective and this is supposed to be the virtue of a democracy. But why not give all the rest of the states and superdelegates the same privilege with regard to their vote? This rhetoric that paints Clinton a villain for having the effrontery to continue in a contest is not a standard we would impose on any other candidate. Her opponent has not been able to conclusively best her. Obama's delegate lead is about 167 of the 2667 votes cast so far. He has not been able to sustain better than a 3% lead in the popular vote. We don't allow early voting states to render votes in later time zones irrelevant on election day. Why would we want to insist on that in a campaign? If we are tired of a campaign that has gone on too long or grown gluttoneously expensive, we ought to change our election system rather than demonizing the candidates who try to compete within it. For now, let's settle down, tone down the shrill rhetoric on both sides, and let the rest of the people think and vote for the person who would make the best president. Lord knows the challenge facing us all is daunting enough to demand our best candidate.

Posted by: Colleen/Denver | March 23, 2008 10:59 PM

The Clintons and their supporters (including some on this page) come from the gutter. Hopefully we will send them to where they belong

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 10:59 PM

Yeah right. Bill Richardson is Judas and Hillary Clinton is Jesus. For God's sake!

You would have to be a fool to follow the Clintons. Never seen such dirty and filthy campaign tactics for a democratic primary.

Clinton supporters should really open their eyes. Just ask yourself these questions:

(1) If Hillary has nothing to hide, why is she refusing to now release her Tax Returns for 2006 (YES 2006, not 2007). She's already filed them a year ago! If you have nothing to hide, then release them RIGHT AWAY. 2007 Tax Returns, sure, you don't have to release them yet until Apr.15, but for the prior years, they are already done!

(2) The Clinton Library donor list - WHY won't they release the list? Is there something else they are hiding??

(3) Hillary is claiming her 35 years of experience... of which she spent several years working for corporate law firms and fighting AGAINST unions... she has released some of her White House records as First Lady but why are there thousands of pages redacted?? Oh it's confidential info, yeah right.

(4) Why hasn't Hillary released her past earmarks?? Hundreds of millions of dollars worth of earmarks... How hard is it to release that information??

(5) Hillary has received a fortune from PACs and Washington lobbyists. Obama and Edwards do not receive any money from PACs and lobbyists. McCain also receives money from PACs and lobbyists. Do you think that PACs and lobbyists won't have any influence on Clinton or McCain?

There just is too much secrecy and too much hidden. Where is the transparency that we need??

The list goes on and on... There are many more points on the Clintons but just not enough space to discuss it all here. Ongoing Peter Paul case vs. the Clintons anyone? The bought-off Marc Rich pardon by Bill Clinton? ...

Clinton supporters, you get the point. There are just way too many things that remain unanswered with the Clintons.

Posted by: Ann | March 23, 2008 11:00 PM

It would be regrettable if Sen. Obama lost the votes of such ardent supporters as the Hillary/McCain "Democrats" we see posting on this board.

On the other hand: Adios, Hillary! Hello President Obama!

Yes We Can
Yes We Will

Obama '08

Posted by: rippermccord | March 23, 2008 11:00 PM

first of all


__________THERE____IS____NO________WAR____________

there is an occupation to steal another country's resources....


that is ordinarially called an

ANTAGONISTIC OCCUPATION, by enemy troops

to stage a COLONIAL OCCUPATION...

al QUEADA is bushCO and CRONYs...


the "drunk indians," in this particular _ILLEGAL_ action against yet another indigenous peoples...


and besides that bush is paying people to attack US soldiers...

Results 1 - 10 of about 402,000 for bush funding al qeada sunni. (0.27 seconds)

Annals of National Security: The Redirection: Reporting & Essays ...Al Qaeda is Sunni, and many of its operatives came from extremist religious .... Flynt Leverett, a former Bush Administration National Security Council ...
www.newyorker.com/printables/fact/070305fa_fact_hersh -


Think Progress » Blog Archive » Hersh: U.S. Funds Being Secretly ...If covertly funding violent Sunni groups isn't a high crime or misdemeanor, what is? ...... Bush is funding al Qaeda! -

can you say, collusion and treason?????

.

Posted by: hello | March 23, 2008 11:01 PM

Defendant: HUH? I just told you I was in some of those places, and I received a very warm welcome, but more importantly the minute they found out I was American, they to a person said, particularly in India "America great country, very strong, we like!

So what is your point? I traveled all over these countries as an American, (and do, on a regular basis) and readily identified myself as such. I fail to see what you are driving at, other than the fact that you don't have one idea in Hades what you're talking about because you haven't been to these parts of the world, and just ASSUME that they hate Americans. Guess what? THEY DON'T.

Posted by: FARFALLE44 | March 23, 2008 11:01 PM

Vertical Bar --

You've got it backwards.

Barry Obama is a total fraud.

He belongs in Jail.

Too many people know to much for him to stop what's going to happen to him.

What he did in Chicago is Criminal.

Literally.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 11:02 PM

svreader,

after a couple of months watching you 'perform' on these and other Web pages, i still am not certain that you are a fox news plant, as is alleged.

but your record of contradictory, sometimes racist and almost always deceitful and offensive comments makes me think that if you are not in fact the composite "work" of several people, then you must have multiple personalities.

as i have urged you in the past, please get help--if in fact the latter is true--because your postings are not helping the candidate you say you support and if you are in fact "sincere" in your raving, you are a danger to yourself and those around you.

remember, you don't have to take back what you don't say or write.

peace out.

Posted by: martin edwin andersen | March 23, 2008 11:02 PM

Of the news about so-and-so endorsing Obama or Clinton, my first (and ONLY) reaction has always been: WHY WOULD I FREAKING CARE IF so-and-so ENDORSES him/her?

Much like the Ted Kennedy endorsement (and Obama failed to carry CA or MA), these self-important cohorts like Richardson or Kerry must be thinking they have some followings who would worship their words. Sorry dudes, but no one really care what Richardson thinks/endorses. (If we do, he would still be in the race, wouldn't he!) If these guys think that they could line themselves behind Obama in order to position themselves as VP material, sorry again, dudes, I would bet my money that they're going for the wrong horse, and Clinton is the real deal.

Posted by: tiddle | March 23, 2008 11:03 PM


Nelson --

The anger you see about Obama is real.

I'm left of Obama politically, but I will never vote for him for anything, and will vote for John McCain if that's what it takes to stop him.

I know too much about him to do anything
else.
Posted by: svreader


Agreed.... Obama has proven to be WRONG for America.

Posted by: ann | March 23, 2008 11:03 PM

"Hillary may not promise the stars and moon ..."

Get your head out of your Ferraro, all Hillary does is make promises she knows she has no chances of keeping. She wants people to believe she's gonna be Santa Claus, she even made a freakin' ad about it.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 11:05 PM

Martin --

You've got it backwards.

Rev Wright is a racist, anti-white, anti-semitic, anti-American crackpot.

But Obama supporters all jump to his defense.

Barry Obama let the people who elected him freeze to death in slums in his district his buddy Rezko got $100M to repair or replace, but did nothing about.

You support Obama, not because of who he is and what he's done, but simply because of the color of his skin.

You are racist.

We don't care what color Obama is.

We care that he's a cold-hearted SOB.

Since you don't give a damm about the people who froze to death in his slums, or about Rev Wright's racism, its shows that you're a racist too.

Being Black doesn't mean a person gets a free pass to be a racist.

A racist is a racist no matter what color they are.

A person who takes advantage of their own people, or supports an evil person simply because they are the same race, is the worst kind of racist of all.

We're pointing out racism.

You're excusing it.

THAT'S RACIST.

Posted by: sveader | March 23, 2008 11:06 PM

The Clintons need to go back to the gutter where they rightly belong

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 11:06 PM

oh,

here's that a major teddy article I was looking for:

Voice of the White House February 28, 2005
TBR News.org February 28, 2005

"An absolute non-issue with the American print and TV media is the control by very powerful gays of the top policy levels of the White House. Growingly pointed comments inside the Beltway social clubs, homes and watering places about Karl Rove's "good friend" 'Jeff Gannon' are being very thoroughly ignored by the mainline press.

There are two reasons for this crashing silence. One is the fact that a large number of powerful and wealthy Republicans are gay and do not want their wives and children to discover that they put on leather underwear and spend their spare time at the Eagle over on New York Avenue or getting rough trade action at the Crew Club. Fat Karl Rove was seen by one of my people entering a private homosexual orgy at a five-star Washington hotel over the Mid-Atlantic Leather (MAL) weekend last year. All the self-hating loyal Republican gays at the no-pants party, many of them Senatorial aides and military types, of course pretended they didn't recognize him, and who can blame them - imagine how repulsive Fat Karl must look without his clothes. The report that came back was that Fat Karl greatly enjoyed the supervision of a certain hairy 350-lb.

Leather Dominator, who had won the

Miss Virginia Daddy Bear

title at the MAL festivities.

Karl used hang out at JR's, which is on 17th between P&S, before he became so well-known. This is a "respectable" gay bar for discreet people who do not wear mesh panties, high-heeled pumps and wear terrible wigs. How many people know about these activities? In Washington, a hell of a lot of the prominent. But very few of them dare to open their mouths because of their own small problems.


.small problems.


Obama Accuses Clinton of Deception ?????

tax records???? wow is it APRIL 15th already...this is serious, I've lost a whole month...FOAD


how about let's look at the books for

Halliburton
Bechtel
KBR
DynCorp
Blackwater
Carlyle Group????

you repulsive scammers posing as democrats

it won't happen if you don't elect Hillary, 'cause the bama saying it don't mattah


you know after Nixon was ousted in the 70's


everyone wanted someone that wasn't crooked and had no Washington D.C. connections...

listen closely, no Washington D.C. connections or understanding translates to


no support.


Jimmy Carter was a great thinker, and ahead of his time in working towards peace. He was the antithesis of a war monger. He didn't fit in with the Washington D.C. Military Industrial Complex, though he had been a commander of a submarine and had a degree in engineering.


He thought that because he had been elected President that people in Washington would treat him special, and with respect.


they didn't.


I don't want to waste four years with Obama finding out that it takes more than rhetoric to survive and get things done. And a democratic congress made up of elitists forging for thier own class isn't much better than a repulsive scammer congress....spending every dime on themselves.


Obama, hasn't faced what it takes to be president in these transitory times. Slamming the one person willing to address "today," as a person living in the past shows


his ignorance.


. look at this GOP disguised as a DEMOCRAT????

doing the BS link, or "appeal to emotion as it is popularly called...


Martinedw spinning andersen wrote:

Clinton-Spitzer '08,
Laissez Les Bon Temps Roulez!!!

so how are Hillary and Spitzer linked again....in fact NOT_AT_ALL

but Martin Edwin Anderson tries to link it anyway....because telling the truth doesn't pay his bills.....


or in the way you'er being led to play the game ???


and I'm not talking morality, I'm talking shear ignorance...


they bell the ram to lead the sheep to slaughter...I see a lot of sheep

ple


.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 11:07 PM

martin edwin andersen

I see you also subscribe to the OBAMA WAY...if someone disagrees with Obama...make personal attacks.

How's that working out for you? It's certainly not helping your candidate!

Posted by: chula | March 23, 2008 11:07 PM

svreader,

re: your (individual, group or multi-personality) last posting

thanks for proving my point.

Posted by: martin edwin andersen | March 23, 2008 11:08 PM

@ P.S. Farfalle44:
__________-_
The Bush administration has been very reluctant to advise the American people just how much more dangerous the world has become for us. Not only is foreign travel at its most expensive for the average Joe or average Jane, but it's also much, much more dangerous for them. And not only dangerous for Americans. Nearly every week, a European country reports a serious incident for a European traveling in Africa, Asia, or South America. Canada is issuing an advisory to Canadians not to travel to Mexico, after several Canadians have either been attacked or killed in the past year. A Canadian cook working for a Canadian arrested in Mexico has also been arrested and is serving a lenghty sentence there for having worked for the man. A number of Canadian tourists this past year have been killed in Mexico, Central and South America. German, Dutch, and French tourists have been killed in the droves in North Africa and in Egypt. A hundred Australians or more lost their lives in Java to a bomber. But Australians have also been mugged and killed there. Canadians have been killed in Bangkok. British have been killed in the Arabian Gulf, and have been imprisoned for years in kangaroo courts. Americans have been arrested in China for frivolous offenses, like venturing into restricted areas. Attacks on American travelers are at their highest levels worldwide because of the tensions caused by the Bush administration. Neither McCain nor Clinton can reduce the international hostility to Americans abroad. But Obama has a better than even chance of doing so.

Posted by: thedefendant | March 23, 2008 11:10 PM

svreader,

the reason most of us Obama supporters don't asnwer your jumble of irrationality, lies, distortions and un-sourced or badly sourced allegations is that we don't have the time or inclination to untangle every filament of BS that you and your "300" project invent.

Now I know the 300 is supposed to be a secret, but the cat's been out of the bag for quite some time on you rotating forum liars.

So in light of your repeated abuse of the facts and Sen. Obama, here's my gift to the world again, presented without commercial interruption by Hillary's corporate donors:

svreader had no mama.
One more thing to blame Obama
for a life that isn't right.
He/she/it is full of spite.

Facts were never brought to bear
in the quest to bring despair
to Obama's throngs of fans.
They just answer "Yes We Can."

Logic falters, hair is pulled
while the three-word answer mulled
in svreader's crumbling mind
echoes down a twisted spine.

Fingers fly, the keyboard hisses.
svreader's fury misses
once again in forumland
comes the answer: Yes. We. Can.

Posted by: rippermccord | March 23, 2008 11:10 PM


I trust the editorial boards of the two newspapers that have hounded Obama for years not to be biased. They have said he was a calculating campaigner and used legal maneuvering to get an opponent who was sloppy off the ballot. Politics is a contest and if you slip up next to a sharp person who plays by the rules, you deserve to lose. To me that just proves that the claims that he's not a fighter have no merit. Nobody gave Obama a chance in September 2007 and he's run a record-breaking campaign.

No one can guarantee anyone winning the general election. It's too far away and politics is a very fickle sport. In my entire sequence of posts, I have criticized Clinton's campaign, not her personally. I have put forward the reasons why Obama is my first choice and she second. I have been disappointed by the negativity in the board but I am optimistic that if you work harder than your opponent, organize better and study the facts better, you always have an advantage with voters open to reason. I think that's the secret behind Obama's lead. Ordinary people like me work hard, read many different opposing views and try to put our candidate's message out there without insulting our competitors. We're not perfect and sometimes we fail or get a little angry.

Nothing worthwhile has ever come without struggle, change is not easy. Hillary Clinton will value the support of Democrats like me if she prevails and wins the nomination. We know her message too and we'll stay positive. Goodnight all.

Posted by: asja | March 23, 2008 11:10 PM

jonura_smith,


you talk a lot and seem to know little.

Barack Obama is going to change things ???

How, because the GOP can't make up crap about him like they're making about the Clintons ???


What makes you think that?


Where are your examples.


Name one Democratically elected President since WWII that has served two terms...

Besides Bill Clinton, while he was assailed by innuendo and garbage like you and yours are spewing tonight...


You didn't invent it, you're just using it....the Repulsive Scammers have been writing your material for 16 years...you're stupid enough to use it....it's not true, it wasn't true then and it's not true now or relevant...


think about this:


how is it possible, that the Washington Post knows that a gay male prostitute has been visiting and spending the night in the Whitehouse


and you've not read of it...


but Spitzer is all over the news and Hillary is being soundbited / linked with him...


you all


are children playing at being grown up.


go back the last three years here at the Washington Post comments sections and the blog "The Debate," and see the style...


your "Obama supporters," posting here are primarily republican...


check it out....go back a year, go back two years, go back three years


survival depends upon understanding the terrain...


you show up in the desert outside of Phoenix AZ in one of the years it rains and the desert is AMAZING, and survival is easy...water, edible plants and so on..


show up there in the years when there is no rain and it looks like there's been no rain for 4 years, and there will be no water and no succulent plants to eat...

.

Posted by: percentages of beauty....kicking your buts... | March 23, 2008 11:11 PM

Martin --

Why don't you actually try reading other people's posts before posting a response?

You're just making yourself look foolish.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 11:12 PM

Come on guys.
It is no more Obama.
This nomination is a circus and nothing else.
Obama don't have a chance to win general election.
NOT A CHANCE.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 11:12 PM

Not sure about other independents, but as for myself, I'll vote Dem if Clinton is the nominee. And, the more I look at Obama, the more I'm convinced that should his name be on Nov ballot, I'll go for McCain. As simple as that. I can't stand the schmuck flash of teeth on this guy's face.

Posted by: tiddle | March 23, 2008 11:12 PM

you repulsive scammers posing as democrats

it won't happen if you don't elect Hillary, 'cause the bama saying it don't mattah


you know after Nixon was ousted in the 70's


everyone wanted someone that wasn't crooked and had no Washington D.C. connections...

listen closely, no Washington D.C. connections or understanding translates to


no support.


Jimmy Carter was a great thinker, and ahead of his time in working towards peace. He was the antithesis of a war monger. He didn't fit in with the Washington D.C. Military Industrial Complex, though he had been a commander of a submarine and had a degree in engineering.


He thought that because he had been elected President that people in Washington would treat him special, and with respect.


they didn't.


I don't want to waste four years with Obama finding out that it takes more than rhetoric to survive and get things done. And a democratic congress made up of elitists forging for thier own class isn't much better than a repulsive scammer congress....spending every dime on themselves.


Obama, hasn't faced what it takes to be president in these transitory times. Slamming the one person willing to address "today," as a person "living in the past,"

shows the


O' baaaaaaaaaaaaa baaaaaaaaaaaaaa man's ignorance.


. he dah sheep buying the republicans beat as his own...


he duh sheep he duh sheep.....baaaaaaa baaaaaaa


baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ah uh...


bly mee

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 11:14 PM

Obama, the man who had such a hard time denouncing Farrakhan, who he said, "how can I help that he [Farrakhan] thinks I'm a nice guy", has dug in his heels, and kept FL and MI voters from being heard, denying Hillary Clinton a fair election. Jews nationwide should protest!!!!!!!

Is Obama Playing a Sly Race Card with Richardson Endorsement? Problem is Obama is not Loyal... Obama will throw Richardson under the Bus, as he did Rev. Wright before him, when Obama no longer needs Richardson.

Richardson thinks he will be Obama's VP, and Obama has shown no loyalty to anyone, so what chance does Richardson really have if, God Forbid the master of double-talk Obama is elected.

Obama has shown no loyalty to Wright (when he encouraged Rev. Wright to resign from the church, for Obama's sake, and dropped from his campaign), His grandmother, Democrats, the USA. Obama's Problem is not Wright, that's a smoke screen, and scapegoat. Obama's problem is lack of truth under pressure, no loyalty, unable to respond quickly to a crisis, all speech no action, and lack of experience and credibility.

I hope Hillary win -- despite that Obama managed to keep FL and MI voters from being heard and caused them to be denied a voice in this election -- and Obama will ultimately do his term in the Senate and prove he is someone who would work hard for change.

What would be so bad about Obama returning to the senate for more experience and to prove himself... he is the least experienced candidate to run for President in modern times and despite his ruthless press agent Axelrod, Hillary is much more prepared to be President than Obama.

Posted by: Cass | March 23, 2008 11:14 PM

Its clear from your post that you're a paid professional political operative.

I'm not. I'm just a voter.

But I care deeply about America.

And I'm deeply angry that Chicago Barry Obama has been packaged as a saint when he's an arrogant incompetent who only cares about himself.

I'm fighting for the people who died in his slums because they can't.

Obama's a master politician.

He's also crooked as a horse-shoe.

His bit about "rising above politics as usual" was a way to stop people from looking into his past.

Its not working anymore.

The real Barry Obama is a really bad guy.

The truth will be the end of Chicago Barry Obama.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 11:19 PM

I am a college educated, Hillary Clinton Supporter and a Solar Design Consultant and sustainable development professional devoted to Peace. I do not find Obama to be sincere, and trust Hillary to work for Peace and prosperity. Based on both candidates records of working for change I find that Hillary has devoted her career to civil service and Obama has devoted his to becoming president.

I did not come to this conclusion overnight. At first I was very impressed with Obama but based on a lot of research into both candidates I cam to the conclusion that Obama and his ruthless press agent Axelrod have been playing Good Cop Bad Cop all along, and are fooling everyone.

So you will understand what influenced my conclusions here is what I read and considered in addition to Obama's Hawkish votes in the Senate, while he claims to be for Peace... It's a contradiction. I don't find the same contradictions in Hillary's record.

Obama also claims to not be supported by Big Business but he has long list of Banks and Investments Companies and Swiss banks. Therese are the companies that fund the War, advantage from Oil and Defense Profits and for that reason want to continue wars and taking over Oil. Obama at first denied this, and when he no longer could said his list of Big Business support is shorter than Hillary's McCain's. First of all they did not lie and claim that they don't take money from Big Business, so I lost my trust for Obama. Second Swiss banks harbor terrorists and Drug dealers, and Obama goes to large Organizations compelling them to contact supporters one by one to cover up his base of support, it's underhanded and eroded my trust in Obama.

Here is more... So you can see what I saw, and decide, if you trust Obama, not whether you are inspired by his words, because I don't trust his words, and feel he is conning US.

Posted by: Steve | March 23, 2008 11:20 PM

What is disgusting is the way Obama....his staff and supporters from the very beginning have continued to trash the Clintons.

What is equally appalling is the Medias assistance at doing so.

There has been a consistent double standard when it comes to Obama......and America is tired of the Clinton Bashing by the Obama people.

Is it not enough that you have divided this country into a battle of race....then you wanted us to buy into the division of class...and by the way you were on our side. Are you crazy?

Then you continue to take America and the respect of its former Presidents and First Lady and trash it in front of the world to see.

That is truly un-American. Why would anyone vote for you now?

Posted by: C | March 23, 2008 11:21 PM

cass --

Sorry.

My previous message was meant to be addressed to asja.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 11:21 PM

well, tiddle, you're definitely not like this independent. I'm simply tired of the Bush/Clinton regime. And though I'm opposed to the war in Iraq, I'd sooner vote for someone who is at least consistent in supporting the war than someone who's defense of her support for the war is to claim she was outsmarted by W. and the plain language of the war bill.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 11:22 PM

Some Clintonite wrote that Asians, Jews, White men etc. etc. will not vote for Obama!
That is ridiculous! None of those groups are monolithic.

I and many of my friends are proud Asian Americans and we will vote for Obama.

We are inspired by Sen. Obama as well as Martin Luther King. Without MLK's efforts, we would have not received our civil rights.

Many of my Jewish friends are honorable people who despise racism and bigotry. They oppose the Iraq war. Watch Keith Olbermann on MSNBC and you will recognize the fallacy of that Clintonite who treats everybody with one stroke.

Obama won Iowa and many other primaries with the support of White people.There are many great white people as well.

Hillary's sin was her support for the Iraq war and her vote on Iran to strengthen the hands of Dick Cheney and George Bush. She is a stealth Republican.

Posted by: Asian | March 23, 2008 11:23 PM

@FARFALLE44 | March 23, 2008 11:01 PM
_________________
I travel frequently around the world because of my job. But don't take my word for it. Go to those places. Or go to the State Dept's Current Travel Warnings online
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_1764.html
for their current assessment of travel alerts for Americans traveling abroad. It's a useful list, but you might also wish to check the list of other countries such as Australia, UK, France, Germany, and Canada, for comparisons. And you ought to use plain common sense. Danger lurks when you least expect it in some of those countries. Go back to Delhi, Denpasar, Cairo, Mexico, Nairobi, Kingston, Karachi, Berlin, or Caracas, and stay a few weeks. visit a few bars. Tell them you're an American supporting McCain or Clinton. Don't take a taxi, but, after a few beers, later that night or early morning, walk around and walk alone back to your hotel...

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 11:23 PM

Since the day my ancestors were brought from Africa as slaves to the shores of the United States, we have been seen as less than human by most whites in America and white Hispanics. Blacks were beaten, killed, raped, and lynched in the United States. No other people have suffered in this country other than the American Indian.The two U.S. Hispanic Senators in Congress are white men, not brown. Desi Arnez was Cuban/Hispanic, but his race was white. Many Mexican Americans birth certificates stated back during Jim Crowism, they were white, not Colored or Negro.

I have lost my faith in God and I don't think God loves black people. I have tried to do the right thing in life and treat people with respect, but I am still suffering in this country with hardships. Why should blacks have the finer things in life on this earth? Most whites still view blacks as the N word and less that human in the privacy of their homes. Most whites will deny it and DMM say blacks have a chip on their shoulders. I want to say to him or her, try being a black person's body for a week, and you will see the gift of being born white in this country or planet. If I had my choice, I would have preferred to have been born white. At least, I wouldn't have to deal with all the BS that come along with being black. Blacks go to church and pray to a God who have cursed us and we are still suffering, living in poverty, killing each other, etc. I can't wait for death, because hopefully dying will be an escape from the "Hell" I am living as a black man. Dr. Frances Cress Welsing has written about white superiority in society.

Posted by: Voting Will Not Matter | March 23, 2008 11:24 PM


Nelson --

The anger you see about Obama is real.

I'm left of Obama politically, but I will never vote for him for anything, and will vote for John McCain if that's what it takes to stop him.

I know too much about him to do anything
else.
Posted by: svreader

------------
Agreed.... Obama has proven to be WRONG for America.
Posted by: ann
---------

Exactly

Posted by: chula | March 23, 2008 11:28 PM

I have read many comments is the last week. I am ashamed to hear all the negativity about Senator Clinton. She has done many wonderful things for women, children, elderly, poor, afican -americans, etc waht has senator Obama done?I believe that the issues should be addressed and debated not personal attacks. I do believe each person is judged by the company we keep in our personal life or public especially in political life. I hate nasty sex jokes about the Clintons. I have many problems dealing with nasty comments coming from the blog. We are dealing with major job losses, Iraq, bankruptices etc in the US. We need a president who fight for all people not just for themselves, The last week has been nasty and dirty, but it has not been wasted. I believe Hillary is more qualfied to lead atthis time, based on her many years inthe Senate. She know how to work with both Republicans and Democrats in Congress and the Senate. Where is senator Obama's experience?? Please tell me waht he has done or accomplished in the Senate or in Illonois? How can he unite the US when he still has ties with his Pastor or Reznco? He brings up the "Race Card" every time he talks. I am looking for his detailed plan to get us out of iraq and to solve the Economic recession we are going into. I have not heard any detailed plan for this. I am not hearing any detailed plan on how he is going to get Univeral Health Insurace for all Americans, or how he is going to fix Social Security, Education, and end proverty, etc. What I am hearing is nothing but his "Unity Speech" but then he makes excuses on his Pastor Wright sermons on 'White America" and Rezcno. He shifts blame to whites and never answers the main point "Why did he never leave the Church that preaches racist statements" In 20 years of his attendance? I am not resposible for all the "ills of the black slavery or the Black Crow laws". My ancestors were american Indian, irish, englis, swedish, german etc. or what people call "American mutt" . I resent being called "typical white person" and "bred into me". I resent my democratic party accepting that "Florida and Michagon" population should not be able to re-vote!! Where is the Democracy in that!! I know it was not the population of Florida or Michagon who made the decision to vote early but the states demoratic committee, so why is Senator Obama afraid of a re-vote? These states did not have any demcratic polticians campaigning in the states. Florida did have Senator Obama dis have "tv commercials" and Senator Clinton still won and everybody was on the ballot. Michagon had Senator Clinton on the ballot but the others took their names off the ballot because they wanted to and were not forced. They pushed voters to vote "Uncomitted" if Senator Clinton was not their choice. Now senator Obama it seems does not want these states to have a re-vote is that fair or is he afraid to run a campaign in thes two states and lose??. I am tired of the bickering and name -calling. I guess am a "Typical White Person" and believe Hillary is better qualfied and experienced to lead this country in these tough times not somebody who playing the race card everytime he loses or runs when he gets asked tough questions.

Posted by: Chris | March 23, 2008 11:31 PM

am very loyal to the Clintons," said Richardson.

I am puzzled by the governor's statement of loyalty. If what he did with his endorsement is an expression of loyalty I wouldn't want to see what he would do, being disloyal.
Posted by: tydicea


RIGHT....I for one am thankful I don't have friends with this kind of loyalty!

Posted by: ann | March 23, 2008 11:31 PM

Cass: Throwing the REv. Wright under the bus, what about his white grandmother? He's so sleezy and opportunistic that he exploited something she said which was not in the least racist but grounded in reality, to disingenuously use it as a crutch to explain his long association with a preacherman who thunders about the "United States of WHITE America" -Why else would Obama use terms like "typical white person" huh? Because he has heard them so often from the good Rev. Wright! And like I said earlier if Hillary so much as tried to use a term like "typical black person" or McCain, then they would have been instantly vilified and booted from the campaign, pure and simple: OBAMA IS TREATED DIFFERENTLY, AND WITH KID GLOVES BECAUSE HE IS BLACK, AND NOW, JUST NOW, HE IS TAKING FULL ADVANTAGE OF THE FREE PASS HE GETS TO SAY ANYTHING AT ALL ABOUT THE CLINTONS-HIS PEOPLE CALLING BILL CLINTON TODAY A "JOE MCCARTHY"- YES, FOLKS, HERE'S YOUR MAN, THE "POST RACIAL" CANDIDATE WHO IS OBSESSED WITH RACE AND IS MARRIED TO A RACIST NOT PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN, AND WHO IS SO ABOVE THE "POLITICS OF DESTRUCTION" THAT HE MAKES SURE THAT ONLY HE CAN ENGAGE IN SUCH HORRIBLE NAME CALLING AND SLANDER, LIKE SAYING THAT HILLARY IS A "DEEPLY FLAWED CANDIDATE"-HERE'S YOUR "POLITICS OF DESTRUCTION" WRIT LARGE! ABSOLUTELY AMAZING TURNABOUT FROM A FEW MONTHS AGO, EH OBAMA? THE MAN CAN'T BE TRUSTED TO GIVE YOU A STRAIGHT ANSWER ON ANYTHING!

Posted by: FARFALLE44 | March 23, 2008 11:32 PM

the past....that is in charge of YOUR now...


that the baaaaaaaaaaaaa man say "she don't exist...dat Hillary, she crazeeeeeeee mon !"


Michael Chertoff: Defender of Terror


___________

My eight months of investigation into the claims of FBI whistle blower, Randy Glass, led me to new information about Assistant Attorney General Michael Chertoff. So I was shocked when he was nominated for Director of Homeland Security, and dumbfounded when he skated through his confirmation hearings.

Chertoff is a master of cover-up. He defended a financier of Osama bin Laden and kept him out of jail. He looked the other way during the investigation into the death of White House lawyer Vince Foster. Chertoff advised the White House and CIA on the legality of torture. No one said a word about any of this, and now Chertoff is in Bush's Cabinet as Director of Homeland Security.

The 9/11 Money
The June 20, 2000 Bergen County Record reported that attorney Michael Chertoff defended Dr. Magdy Elamir, a suspected terrorist financier. Dr. Elamir's HMO was sued by the State of New Jersey to recoup $16.7 million in losses. At least $5.7 million was unaccounted for, funneled "to unknown parties ... by means of wire transfers to bank accounts where the beneficial owner of the account is unknown."

Magdy Elamir financially supported the Al Salam Mosque, where the blind Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman preached before he was arrested for his alleged role in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.

This is the same Dr. Magdy Elamir who was featured in the Dateline NBC investigation with Randy Glass. In fact, Glass said he had spoken with Dr. Elamir as part of his under-cover infiltration of the ISI-linked arms dealers. "Dateline" reported that intelligence reports accused Dr. Elamir of having "had financial ties with Osama bin Laden for years." During a recorded telephone conversation with Glass Elamir's brother, Mohamed, tried to purchase "small arms and ammunition."

In the words of attorney Lynne Stewart, even the most despicable deserve representation. But as Stewart knows, unless you have White House connections, defending the despised carries a high price. Stewart faces 30 years in prison for actions taken in defense of the Blind Sheikh. Dr. Elamir was a suspect in a highly-monitored, sensitive operation at the center of the secret history of 9/11. But thanks to Michael Chertoff, Elamir was not charged.

"Dateline" reported that Dr. Elamir and his corporations paid at least $5,000 to arms dealer Diaa Moshen. In an ambush interview on camera, Dr. Elamir referred to Moshen as "a family friend."

"By the time Operation Diamondback culminated in arrests in the summer of 2001, Michael Chertoff was the assistant attorney general in charge of the criminal division. Operation Diamondback would have fallen under his purview since it was a criminal case and not a counterterrorism case," said researcher Allan Duncan.

That means that after defending an alleged financier of 9/11, Chertoff became a prosecutor who should have prosecuted the same financier. In fact, there was a brief period before the verdict on Elamir came in and after Chertoff was nominated, in which there was an overlap between the two.

Chertoff served as assistant attorney general of the Criminal Division at the Department of Justice from 2001 to 2003. The post is the same one Robert Mueller held when he stymied Senator John Kerry's investigation into BCCI.

Master of Finances
In October 2001, fresh from his defense of El-Amir, Chertoff was picked by the White House to head Operation Green Quest, the multi-agency initiative to target sources of funding for terrorist organizations. Chertoff told the Associated Press on Oct. 25, 2001 that, "The lifeblood of terrorism is money, and if we cut the money we cut the blood supply."

Two years later, former White House terrorism expert Richard Clarke stated, "The US effort to shut down financial support for terrorist networks is being seriously hampered by a government reorganization that has left the most experienced agencies without any real power." Clarke was a counter-terrorism expert in the Clinton and Bush administrations until he left government in disgust in 2003. "The decision to put the Federal Bureau of Investigation in charge of terror finance investigations, and to give new powers to the Department of Homeland Security, [has] set the campaign back." (1)

In Congressional testimony, Clarke seemed to agree with Glass's assessment of the FBI: "Having the current structure where the FBI is in charge and tells everybody else what to do, is a recipe, I think for failure...The FBI by tradition doesn't co-operate well with other federal agencies and it doesn't share information. It treats other federal agencies as second-class participants in the overall effort."

While head of Green Quest, Michael Chertoff played a central role in formulating U.S. anti-terrorism policy, which included a vast expansion of police powers and the secret detention of ....


SEARCH ON Michael Chertoff, Green Quest, Whitewater


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Posted by: the past....in charge of now... | March 23, 2008 11:32 PM

Hey tK, the entirety of the country's history? I think not. My anscestors were Irish Immigrants. They were treated with just as much scorn as the blacks and hispanics. Instead of whining about it, they worked their way up. We don't scream about it 400 yrs. later. The race card will be in this race because Obama's people will make sure of it. It won't go away even if God forbid, Obama wins.

Posted by: ama | March 23, 2008 11:33 PM

Voting --

The first time you posted I felt sorry for you.

Now that you've reposted the exact same story without responding to the people who responded to you the first time and tried to offer you emotional support and encouragement, I'm starting to wonder if that you're just making stuff up to guilt-trip people.

If you want help, lots of people will give it to you out of the goodness in their hearts.

Never abuse that.

Nobody likes to be played for a fool.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 11:33 PM

You're right. Obama gave a beautiful speech on race - no solutions - then turns around and plays another race card... The Richardson Endorsement, accept Richardson wants to be VP, and Obama is not loyal... so good luck Richardson, Obama will throw you under the bus, just like Rev Wright and his grandmother.

Obama is making Wrightgate about Rev. Wright but it's really about Obama: Why did he join a Segregated Church (contacts? To meet influential Black members like Oprah? To establish his Black political base?; Why did Obama at first lie and say he was not aware of Wright's racism, and cried that tune until his speechwriter's had time to respond; Obama is not loyal to people and maybe not loyal to the USA or Democrats; Why didn't he finish his term in the Senate and prove he is someone who works for change rather than try and be the presidential candidate with the least experience than anyone in modern times; can Obama respond to a crisis with good judgment and honesty or is he all about speechmaking. Thiose are the real issues. Wright is just a symptom of Obama's problem with credibility.

Is Obama Playing a Sly Race Card with Richardson Endorsement? Problem is Obama plays dirty. He may be passive agressive about it but he plays as dirty as anone I've ever seen. His main trick is a good defense is an offence. He falsly accused people of racism for a month, knowing the Wright vieos had been sold by Wright years ago, and he knew they were ebing circulated by Republicans online. So Obama started an assault on Bill Clinton, so he copuld clamim racism on both sides, as he did with Wright and his grandmother's comment about being frightened if she sees a Blck man on the street. Heck, Obama is probably afraid too, and most likely joined the church to benefit his political career an meet Oprah. What a phony baloney.

I'm not racist, but I do watch the news and when most of the drivebys are being done by young black men, in certain areas... Black people get scared too. It's usually their kids that are killed acidently. What solutions did Obama mention in his pretty speech. Did he say why he listened to God Damn America for 20 years or why he exposes his kid's to such hate. Yeah, he's a uniter. Now I feel like more Black people hate whites and the USA, thanks to Obama, and I feel sorry for Wright because he seems passionate -- if a bit disturbed -- and probably helped a lot of people but Obamna got him to resign from the church.

Obama will throw Richardson under the Bus, as he did Rev. Wright before him, when Obama no longer needs Richardson.

Posted by: Cass | March 23, 2008 11:33 PM

I have nothing against Obama, and no particular predjudice to hire Hillary for


manager / president of the United States

but as a former hiring manager,

I look at the project landscape.

if I want quick turnaround of an existing problem, I hire someone that understands the problem already, not someone that wants to sell me his expertise on a piece of software or hardware or definition....because that is what he or she is good at, I want someone that can do the project that I hired them for with the least amount of bs involved.

I want someone that can demonstrate the best way to solve the problem that I pose for them.

not someone that schmoozes the sxxx out of me during the interview process....


I don't care about your suit, your demeanor or your friends, the only thing I care about is you.


When I look at Obama I see a mean Jimmy Carter, with no grasp to back up his meaness.....stomping around like an angry woman will not have the same effect as a personal relationship with "the situation," by having been there before


I think that Hillary has been involved in the Presidence at the intimate decision making level before. I see Bill Clinton as a person that used her as an advisor and pointman on several situations that could have developed into world level crisis

She and Bill Clinton know first hand about the vast right wing conning spiracy...that is trying to pull the wool over the populance's eyes as it takes it's contracts and funding and trys to tell the world and "the people," we aren't here anymore.


Really? All of those bush appointees and non compete contracts and BLACKWATER are going to be gone when a new President takes up residence in the oval office stained by the sweat of a $200 an hour male prostitute visiting the current President,


that the repulsive scammers have made sure that you never heard about....as they beat the drum of homophobia to herd you.


The people who run Washington D.C. are by and large good people, their bosses are not. I have nothing against the workers of Halliburton, Bechtel, DynCorp, KBR and others


but the reason that they exist is to feed off of the AMERICAN taxpayers while returning the people nothing on their investment. Seperate bush and his friends and family from the Washington D.C. feed trough. Shut down AEI the ISRAELI backed thinktank that makes visible policy for this administration and imprison those who work there that have commited TREASON against the United States by pressing ISRAELS needs as if they were U.S. of A. needs. They are not.

Who would I want for president? Who would I hire? Hillary, you may not like her, but she can do the job. I don't see anything in Obama but someone that can use "how people see him," something that he has used before. Will it work in Washington?


Sure as long as he doesn't need to actually change anything


Obama doesn't have the skills and insight and he certainly doesn't have the knowledge to do the job...he needs to have...


they'll have him tied up, branded and ready to be shipped to market on day one if he gets elected...

period.

Posted by: intelligent summation of your incomprehensible lust for adulation at the feet of diffidence... | March 23, 2008 11:34 PM

Wow, before I sign off, I wanted to say compliment the minority of posters here who had something reasonable to say.

Asja, especially is doing a great job. I'd read what you have to say any day.

I have to say, I'm comforted by the desperation we're seeing here from the people who are either Clintonites or posing as Clintonites in hopes of keeping her campaign on life support.

And SV--I'm just hoping that you'll keep posting after the IOUs from the Clinton campaign stop coming. Good luck trying to collect on those. On the other hand, I suppose nothing would be appropriate payment for your comments!

Good night all!

Posted by: SethBullock | March 23, 2008 11:36 PM

I think Gov Richardson should not be endorsing either candidate at this time. He should save his support when a candidate has won the nomination process. To do as he has done only serves to divide the party. I mean there will be hard feelings that will never, ever mend. It is hard to know if the defectors are leaving the Clinton camp because of the Clintons or because they prefer a man over a woman president. I think race is not really an issue, but I am not at all convinced this country is ready for a woman president.

Posted by: Susan | March 23, 2008 11:36 PM

anonymous,

you posted:

Martinedw spinning andersen wrote:

Clinton-Spitzer '08,
Laissez Les Bon Temps Roulez!!!


so how are Hillary and Spitzer linked again....in fact NOT_AT_ALL

but Martin Edwin Anderson tries to link it anyway....because telling the truth doesn't pay his bills.....
________________________________________

my response: i blog because i don't have lots of money to donate to the obama campaign and i want to help.

the idea i get paid for it is laughable; i am old enough to remember when, before the clintons, the party of change was not also a party to corruption--and i chose to revere that party.

i think i am--to use a word that is no stranger to the clintons and their trained seals--'entitled' to do so.

as the one of the heads of the youth campaign in Les Aspin's first congressional race in wisconsin's first distric, i was proud to be a democrat.

as the youngest member of the wisconsin state steering committee for george mcgovern, i was proud to be a democrat.

working for walter mondale as head of latin american and caribbean programs for the national democratic institute of international affairs, i was proud to be a democrat.

and working as senate majority whip alan cranston's senior advisor on defense and foreign policy, including a stint as professional staff at the foreign relations committee, i was proud to be a democrat.

that changed during the clinton administration.

i was no longer proud because of their deceit and corruption.

i was no longer proud because there was so much wasted opportunity and promise, when the country still had the resources to carry out a real agenda for change.

i was no longer proud because bill clinton forced me to have THAT conversation with my underage daughter, because he disgraced the white house.

the clinton-spitzer blog that seems to have made you dyspetic made fun of the New York governor and Bill Clinton's shared passions (although one preferred professionals, the other vulnerable white houses staffers and the like).

but, in his defense, at least eliot spitzer took responsibility for his behavior and did not parse words.

it took a man to stand up and admit wrongdoing.

i keep the spitzers in my prayers.

however, by those same standards, bill clinton lacks something in the masculinity department.

as i wrote in an op-ed during the republicans' stupid effort to impeach him, the wrongdoing for what clinton was being tried was certainly not an impeachable offense.

however, there was no reason for the taxpayers to have to pay for his lodging in the people's house.

as a non-lawyer, my solution, which i suggested to his lawyers in the white house at the time, was that he have to move to another location and commute to work.

that would have saved the country the ugly spectacle of both hypocritical gopers like newt and bob livingston and see-no-evil democrats like lanny davis from a blood feud whose only real victim was the united states of america.

so you did not like my joke, or maybe you just didn't understand the french.

if the latter case is true, please excuse my french.

but at least it is not obscene, and could never be compared with the attacks on barack obama, whose biggest crime appears to be that he inspires and leads--something democrats across the board used to take pride in.

unless they were ruined by the clintons and what they did to the democratic party.

words count.

integrity is important.

personal responsibility is the cornerstone of government accountability.

got it?

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 11:36 PM

Hillary is not the Bush/Clinton Regime -- that Obama Rhetoric right out of his right leaning Republican playbook.

Hillary is an 8 year Senator and as the first woman President will be more new and different than Obama.

I trust Hillary to work for peace and prosperity and Obama's fundraiser Rezko funraises fot Bush too. Obama votes like a Hawk and claims to be everything he's not. He's way like Bush than Hillary. mark my word.

Obama is

Posted by: Steve | March 23, 2008 11:38 PM

Clinton campaigners calling Richardson Judas is just one more CLEAR indication of how the Clinton camp operates. It's a perfect example of the kind of politics Barack Obama is trying to move past.

The Clinton mode of operating is to grant favors to people by appointing them to various government posts, etc., and then to expect future payment of some sort.

If the Clinton's don't get return "payment", they feel betrayed, ergo, calling Richardson "Judas".

Forget about operating in a principled manner and doing WHAT'S BEST FOR THE COUNTRY, OR AT LEAST WHAT'S BEST FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. Such thoughts wouldn't even occur to the Clintons. It's all about playing the political game in pursuit of POWER and WINNING.

Posted by: Hill&Bill-B-Gone | March 23, 2008 11:40 PM

Clinton campaigners calling Richardson Judas is just one more CLEAR indication of how the Clinton camp operates. It's a perfect example of the kind of politics Barack Obama is trying to move past.

The Clinton mode of operating is to grant favors to people by appointing them to various government posts, etc., and then to expect future payment of some sort.

If the Clinton's don't get return "payment", they feel betrayed, ergo, calling Richardson "Judas".

Forget about operating in a principled manner and doing WHAT'S BEST FOR THE COUNTRY, OR AT LEAST WHAT'S BEST FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. Such thoughts wouldn't even occur to the Clintons. It's all about playing the political game in pursuit of POWER and WINNING.

Posted by: Hill&Bill-B-Gone | March 23, 2008 11:40 PM

Clinton campaigners calling Richardson Judas is just one more CLEAR indication of how the Clinton camp operates. It's a perfect example of the kind of politics Barack Obama is trying to move past.

The Clinton mode of operating is to grant favors to people by appointing them to various government posts, etc., and then to expect future payment of some sort.

If the Clinton's don't get return "payment", they feel betrayed, ergo, calling Richardson "Judas".

Forget about operating in a principled manner and doing WHAT'S BEST FOR THE COUNTRY, OR AT LEAST WHAT'S BEST FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. Such thoughts wouldn't even occur to the Clintons. It's all about playing the political game in pursuit of POWER and WINNING.

Posted by: Hill&Bill-B-Gone | March 23, 2008 11:40 PM

"Its clear from your post that you're a paid professional political operative.

I'm not. I'm just a voter."

Just a voter...who's been living on this site, Easter Sunday no less, since "March 23, 2008 03:00 PM"

And I would guess most days are like this for you.

I'd almost feel better for you if you were getting paid, rather than knowing that you have such little else in your life. Tell us, how many people have heat in their apartments because of the time you've spent on this board today? Is your CPU heating their building? If your outrage against Obama's actions can drive you to do no more than type, excuse me if I'm not terribly impressed.

Posted by: oliver | March 23, 2008 11:41 PM

"funraises fot Bush too. "

Uh, yeah.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 11:44 PM

Seth --

I don't work for the Clinton campaign.

Do you work for Obama?

Oliver --

Its costing me a fortune in lost time to post, but I'm doing it because I don't want to see another Bush get into office.

America can't afford to make the same mistake again.

Posted by: svreader | March 23, 2008 11:45 PM

Dear Voting Will Not Matter:
As a black person myself, I must disagree with you. Despite its shortcomings, America is the best place on earth to be born black. Every generation gets a little better at dealing with prejudice and racism.

The best way to be empowered in America is to educate yourself, make sure your relatives and children take school seriously and inform yourself fully about what happens in the world. There are more black heart surgeons than black NBA stars, yet many young kids grow up thinking success is only through the NBA and other sport.

I work full time and I spend spare time teaching kids how to read and master numerical concepts, giving them the headstart they need to close the achievement gap that starts so early in elementary school and persists for life in some.

If hundreds of thousands of educated black people do their bit to help those slowed down by the legacy of defeat, our race-specific health and education statistics in America can stop looking like those of a developing country. I am opposed to race-based affirmative action, because there is no justice in a black kid from Harvard getting a job over a white kid from a less prestigious university because of his skin color.

I support class-based affirmative action for those living below the poverty line, but only for non-elite schools and certainly not for employment. If you want to truly excel among the elite, you have to get there yourself, regardless of your adversity. You'll be a stronger candidate for it.

71% of African American children are born out of wedlock and fathers haven't been as reliable as they should be in building stable family units. We can't blame racism for not taking care of our flesh and blood. Voting for an all-black cabinet , all black congress wont change that either. In taking responsibility for our condition, we should continue to demand a full measure of justice where it is due to us and participate fully as constructive members of our communities.

Some of your sweeping statements about most whites are not fair and are in fact, racist. There are many whites who don't culturally understand blacks enough to appreciate differences in fundamental viewpoints but that does not make them racist.

The opposite is also true, many blacks don't understand how intensely white people value their sense of community stability and conformity and they don't appreciate it when some black people join their neighborhoods and cause decay by refusing to fit in and play by the rules. That's not racist.

It gets better over time. If you don't vote, speaking up is useless. Look for people who agree with some of the things you say in your community and organize. I know your pain, but playing a victim is not a positive response.

Posted by: asja | March 23, 2008 11:45 PM

Excuse my oversight in not signing my last comment"@FARFALLE44:

| March 23, 2008 11:01 PM
_________________
I travel frequently around the world because of my job. But don't take my word for it. Go to those places. Or go to the State Dept's Current Travel Warnings online
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_1764.html
for their current assessment of travel alerts for Americans traveling abroad. It's a useful list, but you might also wish to check the list of other countries such as Australia, UK, France, Germany, and Canada, for comparisons. And you ought to use plain common sense. Danger lurks when you least expect it in some of those countries. Go back to Delhi, Denpasar, Cairo, Mexico, Nairobi, Kingston, Karachi, Berlin, or Caracas, and stay a few weeks. visit a few bars. Tell them you're an American supporting McCain or Clinton. Don't take a taxi, but, after a few beers, later that night or early morning, walk around and walk alone back to your hotel...

Posted by: | March 23, 2008 11:23 PM
________________________________
P.S. Americans can decide easily on the best of the three major party candidates for the country: Ask yourself if you had to spend some time in any part of the developing three-fourths of the world, which includes Iraq and Afghanistan, which of the three candidates, Obama, Clinton or McCain, would you feel safest in accompanying to a developing country? If you choose anyone but Obama, you haven't been traveling much outside of North America and Western Europe in the past few months.

Posted by: thedefendant | March 23, 2008 11:49 PM

should we get out of IRAQ immediately ???


no, what we should do is seperate the war profiteers from the profits....


sequester the contractors from their current owners as a matter of National Security...


then redeploy managers that will actually tell the truth,


seperate the war profiteers Halliburton, KBR, Blackwater, Carlyle Group and Bechtel from


the money, conscript the contractors as a matter of NATIONAL SECURITY, and put them on GS SCALE WAGES...


and then see what happens over the next 3 months, slap liens on the companies initially and require them to stand under IRS examination...


they have been exempt so far.


Blackwater has told CONGRESS to go FXXX themselves when Congress asked for the billings from Blackwater...


you don't know where the money is going.

but you do know that $362 Tonnes of MONEY


12 BILLION IN CASH WAS DISTRIBUTED WITH NO RECORD KEEPING IN IRAQ BY PAUL BREMER


on george "our first gay president," W. Bush...


hooooooooray for firsts.....heh heh heh


SEARCH on Jeff Gannon, George W. Bush, lips


.

ama, the United States has only been around a little over 200 years....and the Irish didn't come here until after 1850....

why don't you learn to read and write and come back when you can do that....bimbo


.

Posted by: ama you're an ignorant cracker.... | March 23, 2008 11:49 PM

svreader....ok, and what's the tally on the number of minds you've changed in your 8+ hours today? Do you sense that the audience here is made up of undecideds?

Posted by: oliver | March 23, 2008 11:50 PM

The press had a field day with Obama's religious mentor and friend. But the story behind Obama's political mentor also contains some disturbing elements. Emil Jones, the Democratic leader of the Illinois State Senate is the man who is credited with propelling the little known state senator to the political heights in Washington. "You have the power to elect a US senator," Obama told Emil Jones, Democratic leader of the Illinois state senate. Jones looked at the ambitious young man smiling before him and asked, teasingly: "Do you know anybody I could make a US senator?" According to Jones, Obama replied: "Me." It was his first, audacious step in a spectacular rise from the murky political backwaters of Springfield, the Illinois capital. Jones helped Obama prior to his run for the US senate by assigning high profile legislation to the candidate thus filling out his fairly pathetic record as a state senator. Most of Obama's "accomplshments" in Springfield were the result of Jones allowing Obama a prominent role in getting legislation through the senate - legislation that in many cases had been introduced and championed over the years by other lawmakers. At one point during Obama's 2003 Senate campaign, Jones set out to woo two African-American politicians miffed by Obama's presumption and ambition. One of them, Rickey "Hollywood" Hendon, a state senator, had scoffed that Obama was so ambitious he would run for "king of the world" if the position were vacant. When Jones secured the two men's support, Obama asked his mentor how he had pulled it off. "I made them an offer," Jones said in mock-mafioso style. "And you don't want to know." Jones is now at the centre of a long row over his attempt to block proposed laws cracking down on his state's "pay-to-play" tradition - whereby companies hoping to win government contracts have to contribute to the campaign funds of officials. Jones staff say he blocked the bill because he intends to produce something tougher. No proposals have appeared.

Posted by: Fred | March 23, 2008 11:50 PM


Asian

Sorry we don't watch CNN or MSNBC because of their blatant PRO OBAMA reporting. They have been providing inaccurate unprofessional, biased reporting since the beginning of the election.

By the way I would take Clinton any day over Obama.

He has proven to be the biggest phoney candidate we have ever had. He campaigns during the week talking about bringing everyone together and how we are all equal ...and then on the weekends he sneaks off to support a church who promotes racism, hate towards white americans, jews and anti-american sentiment which includes insinuating that the victims of the 911 Twin Towers, Pentagon, Pennsylvania deserved what they got because of actions in the past towards blacks.

Obama supports and defends this type of hate and I in good conscious cannot support him because of it. Had the shoe been on the other foot and Hillary was the one accused of this...I would also stop supporting her.

That being said.....we will vote NO for OBAMA in November.


Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 11:50 PM

ama, you fell to understand, the Irish are of the white race, not black race you idiot. Ama, try being a black person in the United States in America for one month and you will see have fortunate you white azz have it in society.

Posted by: Ama's A Idiot | March 23, 2008 11:53 PM

Obama supporter Bill Richardson is not--to use weird James Carville's Easter metaphor--a "Judas" ... unless you share the cultish view that the Clintons are our Messiah.

However, there seem to be quite a few Barabbas--thieves that got away--peopling Hillary's campaign.

Remember the pardons for union-busting Marc Rich and the narcotics traffickers?

Remember the sleezy get-rich-quick schemes the Clintons themselves engaged in?

Remember the credible allegations of mistreatment by several of Bill's paramours?

Remember the theft of the dreams of an entire Democratic Party, which had to watch their leader--a serial lout--defend himself on national television for peccadillos not even acceptable for adolescents in high school?

I really don't care to see him featured on a cable television program about "Ex-Presidents Gone Wild."

Don't care to see him occupying the White House, which is maintained by the taxpayer.

Really don't care to go down that road when the country is facing so many problems in so many areas.

Move on, mates. Just move on.

Posted by: martin edwin andersen | March 23, 2008 11:53 PM

thedefendant

We choose anyone BUT Obama. We would feel safer with Clinton or McCaine.

Obama is such a phoney we don't know what we'll get with that guy.

Posted by: chula | March 23, 2008 11:56 PM

Obama is making Wrightgate about Rev. Wright but it's really about Obama: Why did he join a Segregated Church (contacts? To meet influential Black members like Oprah? To establish his Black political base?; Why did Obama at first lie and say he was not aware of Wright's racism, and cried that tune until his speechwriter's had time to respond; Obama is not loyal to people and maybe not loyal to the USA or Democrats; Why didn't he finish his term in the Senate and prove he is someone who works for change rather than try and be the presidential candidate with the least experience than anyone in modern times; can Obama respond to a crisis with good judgment and honesty or is he all about speechmaking. Thiose are the real issues. Wright is just a symptom of Obama's problem with credibility.

Is Obama Playing a Sly Race Card with Richardson Endorsement? Problem is Obama is not Loyal... Obama will throw Richardson under the Bus, as he did Rev. Wright before him, when Obama no longer needs Richardson.

Richardson thinks he will be Obama's VP, and Obama has shown no loyalty to anyone, so what chance does Richardson really have if, God Forbid the master of double-talk Obama is elected.

Obama has shown no loyalty to Wright (when he encouraged Rev. Wright to resign from the church, for Obama's sake, and dropped from his campaign), His grandmother, Democrats, the USA. Obama's Problem is not Wright, that's a smoke screen, and scapegoat. Obama's problem is lack of truth under pressure, no loyalty, unable to respond quickly to a crisis, all speech no action, and lack of experience and credibility.

I hope Hillary wins -- despite that Obama managed to keep FL and MI voters from being heard and caused them to be denied a voice in this election -- and Obama will ultimately do his term in the Senate and prove he is someone who would work hard for change.

Right now Obama just seems like a cona artist and a passive aggressive con man with bad Judgment being desperate, vcious, and underhanded.

He will throw Richardson Under the bus, like Wright, when he no longer needs him.

Posted by: Steve | March 23, 2008 11:57 PM

OBAMA'S NEW PASTOR COMPARES REV. WRIGHT TO JESUS -- CHICAGO -- The new pastor of Barack Obama's church delivered a defiant defense of its retiring reverend Sunday, comparing media coverage of Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. to a modern-day lynching that resembles Jesus' death at the hands of the Romans. In a sunrise Easter sermon, Rev. Otis Moss III implied that his mentor, who has delivered sermons in which he likened the U.S. to the Ku Klux Klan and declared it damned for its "state-sponsored terrorism," is facing the same challenges Jesus did."No one should start a ministry with lynching, no one should end their ministry with lynching," Moss said. "The lynching was national news. The RNN, the Roman News Network, was reporting it and NPR, National Publican Radio had it on the radio. The Jerusalem Post and the Palestine Times all wanted exclusives, they searched out the young ministers, showed up unannounced at their houses, tried to talk with their families, called up their friends, wanted to get a quote on how do you feel about the lynching?" he continued.

Posted by: Fred | March 23, 2008 11:58 PM

Excellent points Cass, Steve, Intelligent-I too, believe that if the fraudster Obama were to manage to get elected (which I truly do not believe is possible) but IF he were, that he would be tied up like hog meat the very first day by his Republican Congressional opposition, who would have him four ways to Sunday-it would be an impossible, intractable situation. And where would he go for his crutch, that he always needs when he gets into trouble? Cocaine, maybe? He'll sure need something pretty powerful to lean on, because he simply does not have the personality to be a true politician, a people person who can forge coalitions to push forward an agenda-that's not him-he's the speechmaker, but you gotta do a HELL of a lot more work when you are the Prez than just make a speech....The more I think about Obama the more incredulous I am than ANYONE could seriously believe that this man is fit to lead the world's only superpower at this critical juncture in its history -just amazing! We KNOW what HRC has done, and she has spent 8 years as a Senator on top of all her work as her husband's advisor the previous 8 years, forging those coalitions in Congress and earning the respect of both sides of the aisle-it is not for nothing that she and McCain are friends who have been able to work together in Congress for the good of the American public-it's too bad those two can't be a ticket-but absent that, the two of them in a race would be a race that focused on the issues facing this country, not, as Bill Clinton rightly said, about distracting, dividing issues concerning t a candidate's patriotism (highly suspect in Obama's case!) and racial issues that make people take sides and become bitter-OBAMA IS THE GREAT DIVIDER, NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT-HE NEEDS TO STEP ASIDE FOR THE GOOD OF HIS COUNTRY, BUT HE'S JUST PLAIN TOO ARROGANT FOR THAT!

Posted by: FARFALLE44 | March 24, 2008 12:00 AM

asja, I have two Degrees. One is from Howard University. As I stated, I would have preferred to have been born white, not black. Blacks are seen as inferior around this planet. What God would have created a race of people to be hated by all on a planet. Educated blacks have committed suicide, because they couldn't cope with racism in Corporate White America. Many of us blacks have learned to speak and write well in the United States, but we still are not accepted by most white people. The white Senator from Delaware stated, Obama is articulate to be a black man. What does this tell you? I can't wait to die, because I am cursed and will never be accepted by white America. Oprah was discrimated against at a upscale store in Europe, because the sales people didn't know it was Oprah. All the saw was a black woman. The dam woman is a billionaire.

Posted by: Voting Will Not Matter | March 24, 2008 12:02 AM

asja, I have two Degrees. One is from Howard University. As I stated, I would have preferred to have been born white, not black. Blacks are seen as inferior around this planet. What God would have created a race of people to be hated by all on a planet. Educated blacks have committed suicide, because they couldn't cope with racism in Corporate White America. Many of us blacks have learned to speak and write well in the United States, but we still are not accepted by most white people. The white Senator from Delaware stated, Obama is articulate to be a black man. What does this tell you? I can't wait to die, because I am cursed and will never be accepted by white America. Oprah was discrimated against at a upscale store in Europe, because the sales people didn't know it was Oprah. All the saw was a black woman. The dam woman is a billionaire.

Posted by: Voting Will Not Matter | March 24, 2008 12:02 AM

Hillary Supporters:

COULD YOU PLEASE USE CAPS JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE? I'M REALLY CLOSE TO SUPPORTING HILLARY, BUT JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE AND I WILL BE CONVINCED! THANK YOU!

Posted by: jimbo | March 24, 2008 12:05 AM

What Moss doesn't realize is gthat Obama lynched Wright not US. Wright could have done his thing forever and no one would care.

Obama asked him to resign and brought attention to him. Obama probably joined that church just to meet Oprah and built his Black vote base, since he moved to Chigago from NY just to start a political career.

He destroyed Rev. Wright, and he's hurting not helping Race relations, he's tearing apart the Democratic party, he's threatening Black Senators who don't support him, he's calling Bill Clinton and Ferraro racist, and all the while sayin g he is not negative, what a joke.

Not to mention that he is the least experiened many to run for President in m odern times... Doe his inexperience show? He does have AXELROD the vicious Chicago Press agent who crafted Obama's career from the beginning and they play Good Cop Bad Cop, and con US all.

Posted by: Steve | March 24, 2008 12:06 AM

P.S. Fred, that's pretty funny, coming from the new pastor of Obama's church, sounds like he's a chip off the old block! RNN-Roman News Network-very amusing!

Posted by: FARFALLE44 | March 24, 2008 12:07 AM

martin edwin andersen

Sorry buddy but if we let Obama in the White House the tax payers will end up funding.

ANTI-AMERICANS for Obama

American Terrorists for OBAMA

White Haters for Obama

Jew Haters for Obama

Liars Anonymous for Obama

Whiners of America fo Obama

Race Card players of America

Wives anti-american support group for Obama

Wives against mean america for Obama.

Wrights isn't Wrong for America support group.

REZKO loves Americans for Obama

Slum Lords for Obama

Nuclear giants who don't want to report nuclear leaks for Obama.

Sorry...too many questions and too many risks to let Obama into the White House.

VOTE no for OBAMA this November!


Posted by: chula | March 24, 2008 12:10 AM


but since the baaaaaaaaa aaa aaa aaaaaaaa man, don't know he can't help


let me hep to edumicate you poor ignorant bothers and sitters...


TWO AGENCIES have been formed since the bush team defrauded the PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES


DHS

and

the National Intelligence Agency


Michael Chertoff, who entire claim to fame is obstructing justice in trying to follow the money trail for the financing of 9/11

and being the "Whitewater Prosecutory,"


he has no INS experience and no security experience....


he has a lot of experience obfuscating, redirecting and hiding money trails...


howmuchamoney youah thinkah goah through the DHS coffers ????


and whya thisah goombah boy put in as the head of it????


'causeah he doah what ah dey sayah.....


he's a goodah boy.


he's a bushfamily boy.


he's anot AMERICAN he's a fraud covererupper....arrest him.


SEARCH ON Michael Chertoff, Green QUEST


he's a bad man.

.

Posted by: get a grip kids....he said she said could turn into educating the country about what has been done.. | March 24, 2008 12:11 AM

hmmm anyone else think "Steve's" 11:57 is quite a bit similar to "Cass's" 11:33?

Posted by: Anonymous | March 24, 2008 12:12 AM

Martin Edwin Anderson...


you dumb as a stump boy.

I worked in Washington D.C. son. Your crapping on the Clintons

is buying into REPUBLICAN PROPAGANDA...

I don't appreciate your ignorance boy.

and I am indeed older and smarter and meaner than you ever thought of being....you a shunt boy.


.

Posted by: and | March 24, 2008 12:13 AM

OBAMA IS FAKE.

RICHARDSON THINKS HE WILL GET VP SPOT.

SORRY.

McCAIN WILL BEAT OBAMA LIKE A DRUM.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 24, 2008 12:15 AM

svreader...

Don't you, um, have a life to get back to?

Yes. We. Can.

Posted by: aardvark | March 24, 2008 12:17 AM

Chula,

you post: Liars Anonymous for Obama

Since i post using my real name, why don't you?

Not a liar, not anonymous, but definitely convinced that Barack Obama will be good for this country.

What about you?

Why are you hiding?

Embarrassed to be posting such garbage?

Maybe you and svreader could go fishing for a while, and let us grownups and people with IQs a bit higher than 60 have a real conversation.

Best regards,
Mick

Posted by: martin edwin andersen | March 24, 2008 12:17 AM

ama, you fell to understand, the Irish are of the white race, not black race you idiot. Ama, try being a black person in the United States in America for one month and you will see have fortunate you white azz have it in society.
Posted by: Ama's A Idiot
---------------------------------------

I'm black and I have it made in America. Too bad you can't see how lucky we are to live in America.

Please stop asking people to feel sorry for us because we are black...it's insulting to those of us who are proud to be Black and proud to live in America.

Posted by: jerome | March 24, 2008 12:17 AM

Ok, I have drawn my conclusion. The vile mouths here are McBush supporters not Hillary supporters (at least majority of them).

SO, democrats watch out for the snakes in our midst trying to divide us. They take orders from the likes of rush limnbaugh. They reason with only rovian tactics. Their objective is to divide us so their lacking candidate can sneak his way by us to the white house. Watch out democrats, for the snakes are amongst us in cyberspace. Make peace with each other so they lose and we win.

Posted by: Nancy | March 24, 2008 12:20 AM

Voting Will Not Matter: I'm truly saddened by your story. I know this is easier to say than to do, but if certain white people do not accept you, then they are not deserving of your attention. I have posted several posts tonight critical of Rev. Wright's racist remarks, but because of the sorry history of black America in the country, I am even more incensed by the life you describe. I sincerely wish you the best and please know that there are people in this country who dream of moving past race, into a world where, as Dr. King said, we are judged not by the color of our skin, but by the content of our character. God bless you.

Posted by: theplanner | March 24, 2008 12:20 AM

martin edwin andersen

The truth hurts....it's not our fault you were suckered in by a phoney. Or is it just that your ego is so big you can't accept that you are wrong.

By the way the typical Obama bullying by him and his supporters is getting old.

If you don't like what I post leave...otherwise get over it...what I said was true and that's why your psssd.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 24, 2008 12:21 AM

Richardson is taking neoconservative money....


he doesn't give a flying XXXX about the baaaaaaaaaaa man or this country...


he's a fool for the money...


.

Posted by: what ?????? | March 24, 2008 12:22 AM

Good One Chris. I wish people would realize that Obama is a David Axelrod creation. Axelrod is a powerful Press agent and Obama came to Chigago so that Axelrod who also worked for Mayor Daly could craft Obama's career.

Obama used Rev Wright and his Church. he wanted to build a Black base and meet Black power players like Oprah.

Obama has been attacking Bill and Ferraro wrongly for race to prepare for his speech because he saw the Wright situation blowing up, but was too passive and was ignoring it. Once the video's (which wright had sold) started circulating on Republican websites Obama setpped up the racist attacks such as on Ferraro, and his speech writers went to work. I feel sorry for wright. There is something to be said for his style and Obama ruined his crareer by having him step down from the church and be the sacrificial lamb for Obama.

I don't even think Obama is racist, I think he's a liar, and a user, he's disloyal and a Bush operative, and he's vicious and claims to be nice. He has no patience or experience and he focuses all his energy on manipulating people to treat his canidacy like he's Jesus and to be like a Jihad as if him being elected is a holy war. That's what I find disturbing. It's not a race issue for me. Obama is a scary person and I can't believe how he's managed to destroy Hillary and use race to intimidate the Press but he has Bush and Axelrod in his court and his mission was to destroy Hillary.

I trust Hillary to wortrk hard to restore the USA to peace and prosperity. I trust her courage, smarts, and sincerity. Let's not let Obama destroy our chances with his con games and underhanded routines, and great speeches. Obama is a grand illusionist and has been fooling everyone.

Posted by: Steve | March 24, 2008 12:23 AM

anonymous,

You posted: Your crapping on the Clintons
is buying into REPUBLICAN PROPAGANDA...

My response: If anything the Clintons are guilty of self-defecation.

I believe the Democratic Party represents something much bigger and much grander than them.

And given the tenor of your post, I think you are something the Clintons may have left behind.

Posted by: Martin Edwin Andersen | March 24, 2008 12:24 AM

martin edwin andersen

Here is an encore presentation since you liked it so much :)

Sorry buddy but if we let Obama in the White House the tax payers will end up funding.


ANTI-AMERICANS for Obama

American Terrorists for OBAMA

White Haters for Obama

Jew Haters for Obama

Liars Anonymous for Obama

Whiners of America fo Obama

Race Card players of America

Wives anti-american support group for Obama

Wives against mean america for Obama.

Wrights isn't Wrong for America support group.

REZKO loves Americans for Obama

Slum Lords for Obama

Nuclear giants who don't want to report nuclear leaks for Obama.


Sorry...too many questions and too many risks to let Obama into the White House.


VOTE no for OBAMA this November!


Posted by: chula | March 24, 2008 12:25 AM

Obama supporters,

The Hillary/McCain crowd have created a group called the 300, meant to serve as a firewall against Obama on sites such as this. svreader slipped up about it in another article's comments section a while back.

It is a rotating group of hate mongers and liars intended to provide a "tag team" approach to posting. They don't have 300 members as far as I can tell and they are quite pathetically committed to incestuously sharing the same lies and filth and spreading them far and wide. Much of the disinformation provided here comes from them.

Don't be discouraged. It's just another element of the Clinton Machine at work hand-in-glove with the GOP.

Obama '08

Posted by: rippermccord | March 24, 2008 12:25 AM

I feel that it is sad that the people who speak so vehemently against the Clinton supporters will need them in the general election. Do you suppose after venting they will be able to forget. The opposite is also true will the Obama supporters be able to forgive. I seriously doubt it . The democratic party has self destroyed and not because of the candidates.

Posted by: nestor | March 24, 2008 12:26 AM

why aincha pickin on me


Martin Edwin Anderson?


think you get youah hind end misplaced ????

come on little but head let's see what you got...

who are the dulles brothers and what do they have to do with any thing


yah little pinto bean ??? eh ??


don't know?


then you and your baaaaaaaaaa aaa aaaa man


gots a lot in common boyah


.

Posted by: hey | March 24, 2008 12:27 AM

Good One Chris. I wish people would realize that Obama is a David Axelrod creation. Axelrod is a powerful Press agent and Obama came to Chigago so that Axelrod who also worked for Mayor Daly could craft Obama's career.

Obama used Rev Wright and his Church. he wanted to build a Black base and meet Black power players like Oprah.

Obama has been attacking Bill and Ferraro wrongly for race to prepare for his speech because he saw the Wright situation blowing up, but was too passive and was ignoring it. Once the video's (which wright had sold) started circulating on Republican websites Obama setpped up the racist attacks such as on Ferraro, and his speech writers went to work. I feel sorry for wright. There is something to be said for his style and Obama ruined his crareer by having him step down from the church and be the sacrificial lamb for Obama.

I don't even think Obama is racist, I think he's a liar, and a user, he's disloyal and a Bush operative, and he's vicious and claims to be nice. He has no patience or experience and he focuses all his energy on manipulating people to treat his canidacy like he's Jesus and to be like a Jihad as if him being elected is a holy war. That's what I find disturbing. It's not a race issue for me. Obama is a scary person and I can't believe how he's managed to destroy Hillary and use race to intimidate the Press but he has Bush and Axelrod in his court and his mission was to destroy Hillary.

I trust Hillary to wortrk hard to restore the USA to peace and prosperity. I trust her courage, smarts, and sincerity. Let's not let Obama destroy our chances with his con games and underhanded routines, and great speeches. Obama is a grand illusionist and has been fooling everyone.
Posted by: Steve

Steve...I believe you are right about Obama he represents anything but hope and change. He is dishonest and a great manipulator. However the world has now seen him for who he is.

Posted by: mary | March 24, 2008 12:29 AM

BUSH APPOINTEES


Jim Nicholson: Secretary, Department of Veterans Affairs

In contrast to the four most recent VA heads--who had previously held leadership positions with Disabled American Veterans, the Department of Defense, a state-level VA department, and VA itself--Jim Nicholson brings a resume devoid of experience to veterans' advocacy. After Vietnam, he went into real-estate law and development in Colorado.

He chaired the Republican National Committee from 1997 to 2000, raising close to $380 million for the 2000 cycle. In Bush's first term, Nicholson was rewarded with the ambassadorship to the Holy See. In February 2005, he joined his brother John , who was already head of the National Cemetery Administration, in working for the VA.


Nicholson had written on April 5: "I can assure you that VA does not need [additional money] to continue to provide timely, quality service." Two months later, he admitted that VA had underestimated the number of veterans who would be seeking medical treatment this year by nearly 80,000 because it had failed to take into account the surge in enrollment by veterans of the Afghanistan and Iraq conflicts.

Republican House Appropriations Committee Chair Jerry Lewis said VA's failure to identify the problem and notify Congress earlier "borders on stupidity."


Claire Buchan: Chief of Staff, Department of Commerce


Former deputy press secretary at the White House, Buchan was promoted to chief of staff at the Commerce Department, where she now helps the secretary oversee a $6.3 billion budget and some 38,000 employees.
Some of Buchan's colleagues in the White House press corps were left speechless when her new assignment was announced in February. One White House reporter who worked closely with Buchan for five years called her "the most useless in a Bush universe of enforced uselessness. She took empty banality to a new low."



David Safavian, U.S. procurement czar


A law-school internship helping the Pentagon buy helicopters appears to be about the extent of his experience in the field. Safavian spent the bulk of hiscareer as a lobbyist, previous to his nomination to a top oversight position As administrator of the Office of Federal Procurement Policy, Safavian, 38, was placed in charge of the $300 billion the government spends each year on everything from paper clips to nuclear submarines, as well as the $62 billion already earmarked for Hurricane Katrina recovery efforts. It was his job to ensure that the government got the most for its money and that competition for federal contracts -- among companies as well as between government workers and private contractors--was fair. It was his job until he resigned on September 16, 2005 and was subsequently arrested and charged with lying and obstructing a criminal investigation into Republican lobbyist Jack Abramoff's dealings with the Federal Government.

Safavian's April 2004 confirmation hearing before the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee (attended by only five of the panel's 17 members) lasted just 67 minutes, and not a single question was asked about his qualifications. His political clout, federal procurement experts say privately, came from his late-1990s lobbying partnership with Grover Norquist, now head of Americans for Tax Reform and a close ally of the Bush Administration. Norquist is an antitax advocate who once famously declared that his goal was to shrink the Federal Government so he could "drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub."



Posted by: what the baaaaaaaa man don't know... | March 24, 2008 12:30 AM

Obama supporters,

The Hillary/McCain crowd have created a group called the 300, meant to serve as a firewall against Obama on sites such as this. svreader slipped up about it in another article's comments section a while back.

It is a rotating group of hate mongers and liars intended to provide a "tag team" approach to posting. They don't have 300 members as far as I can tell and they are quite pathetically committed to incestuously sharing the same lies and filth and spreading them far and wide. Much of the disinformation provided here comes from them.

Don't be discouraged. It's just another element of the Clinton Machine at work hand-in-glove with the GOP.

Obama '08

Posted by: rippermccord | March 24, 2008 12:30 AM

Rendell says the Obama campaign wants the super delegates to support the will of the peole only when it is convenient. He supports Hillary (what a surprise) who wants Florida and Michigan to be seated based on the elections she admitted would not be counted....until it was convenient for her. While she was up in Michigan cry-babying about the re vote, Obama and Mc Cain were out speaking about the war on it's anniversary. Obama was out there speaking on issues. What the heck is Rendell talking about. The person he supports didn't think that the anniversary of the war was as important as her cheating re vote.

Posted by: cheryl | March 24, 2008 12:31 AM

rippermccord

You are funny....any more conspiracy theory's...the 300 hahahahaha

I'm surprised you didn't call them Men in Black and say they are after aliens..give me a break :)

And you wonder why Obama supporters have a reputation for being over the edge and bullys

Posted by: chula | March 24, 2008 12:33 AM

People, where is all this venom coming from? How about a little more civilized discourse instead? Let's think this through. Clinton, Obama and Richardson are all relatively honorable public servants in a generally dishonorable profession. I don't see where either campaign has been guilty of anywhere near the dirty tricks and deliberate misrepresentation we've been subjected to by the neocons starting back in the 80s with Gingrich et al. Much of the bile is being stirred up by the press, ever greedy for a hot simple-minded story. Democrats and reasonable people of any party, just chill; keep your eyes on the prize which is to get the last 8 years behind us by NOT electing McCain.

Posted by: DKlugman | March 24, 2008 12:33 AM

going on Martin Edwin Anderson...

you like to answer in generalities and you don't know who the Dulles Brothers are ????


do you know the relationship with Hamilton Cheney and the Iran Contra affair and George H.W. Bush

?????


why not?


did you know that there were 6 Iran Contra defendants serving in the whitehouse????

did you know that there are 6 PNAC signatories serving in the whitehouse?

do you know what either of those things are???


why not. how you gonna judge who's the best person for the job, if you don't know what the job is?

you ever worked in Washington D.C. in the government or private sector???

do you know the difference between GSA and DOD

Arpanet and Darpanet

Rosslyn and Arlington?

Where the Russian Embassy is? where the Saudi Embassy is?


what ambassadorial privelege buys you???


you dumb?

Posted by: what's | March 24, 2008 12:35 AM

there is no "war," there is an occupation to steal IRAQ's OIL.

who will benefit from that theft? bush family and friends...period

there will be no benefit to the AMERICANS that are paying for it,


the invasion of IRAQ is welfare for warprofiteers and bush family and friends. period. they are the lazy smut that want you to pay their way through life.

let's be honest here.


Obama is using the repulsive scammer drum beat

he is taking a page out of the Karl Rove playbook, he's using the results of the repulsives relentlessly hammering the AMERICAN CITIZENS about the head and shoulders for 16 years with their cover story....for why it's allright for them to have homosexual love fests in the whitehouse on a regular basis, but Bill Clinton is a bad person

think I'm a whacko, nut case ? good prove me wrong


SEARCH on Jeff Gannon, Guckert, George W. Bush, Karl Rove, are gay

Obama has been taking a ride off of the Repulsive scammers work

as his own.

"The Clintons,"

the only Democrats to defeat the Repulsives SCAMMERS on their home turf


in the last 60 years


have been getting hammered by limp RUSHING BOUGHT


and numerous other Repulsive Scammers for 16 years.

GOP ers hate losing money and it going to the people....


GOP ers hate not being able to charge their business expenses to the people...

who is going to make out in IRAQ ????


SAUDI UAE KUWIAT bushCo and CRONYs and war profiteers


will AMERICANS see that money ?????


how are you doing AMERICA ????


can you feel the love as the GOP ers call you


welfare cases ?????

as they take home the lions share of the FISCAL BUDGET to their families...

and you lose your homes ????

look around. come out of your middle school playground popularity contest and look at what is going on.


Hillary is going through McGovern treatment and


Obama is the new Hubert Humphrey...who will either lose to McCain or be restrained so that he is ineffective if he gets the nomination..


JFK was killed


Jimmy Carter was backstabbed.

Bill Clinton persevered and built the economy back up....he withstood these people for 8 years....and the GOP ers don't want any more


MONEY interruptus


take them down, remove them from power permanently and pass legislation that requires them to be just as responsible for their felonious behavior as you have to be...


arrest them for treason, and execute them and the sentence when found guilty


.

Posted by: dignity in action crushing stupidity by teaching chulas' | March 24, 2008 12:38 AM

chula...indeed, anyone who would talk about 'vast conspiracies' has no business running for president.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 24, 2008 12:38 AM

Obama is making Wrightgate about Rev. Wright but it's really about Obama: Why did he join a Segregated Church (contacts? To meet influential Black members like Oprah? To establish his Black political base?; Why did Obama at first lie and say he was not aware of Wright's racism, and cried that tune until his speechwriter's had time to respond; Obama is not loyal to people and maybe not loyal to the USA or Democrats; Why didn't he finish his term in the Senate and prove he is someone who works for change rather than try and be the presidential candidate with the least experience than anyone in modern times; can Obama respond to a crisis with good judgment and honesty or is he all about speechmaking. Thiose are the real issues. Wright is just a symptom of Obama's problem with credibility.

Is Obama Playing a Sly Race Card with Richardson Endorsement? Problem is Obama is not Loyal... Obama will throw Richardson under the Bus, as he did Rev. Wright before him, when Obama no longer needs Richardson.

Richardson thinks he will be Obama's VP, and Obama has shown no loyalty to anyone, so what chance does Richardson really have if, God Forbid the master of double-talk Obama is elected.

Obama has shown no loyalty to Wright (when he encouraged Rev. Wright to resign from the church, for Obama's sake, and dropped from his campaign), His grandmother, Democrats, the USA. Obama's Problem is not Wright, that's a smoke screen, and scapegoat. Obama's problem is lack of truth under pressure, no loyalty, unable to respond quickly to a crisis, all speech no action, and lack of experience and credibility.

I hope Hillary wins -- despite that Obama managed to keep FL and MI voters from being heard and caused them to be denied a voice in this election -- and Obama will ultimately do his term in the Senate and prove he is someone who would work hard for change.

Right now Obama just seems like a cona artist and a passive aggressive con man with bad Judgment being desperate, vcious, and underhanded.

He will throw Richardson Under the bus, like Wright, when he no longer needs him.

Posted by: Steve

----
Agreed

If he throws his own grandmother in the bus for the Pastor...he will surely run over Richardson as well.

Richardson apparantly doesn't know that Obama has "pledged allegiance to black leaders"...and Richardson is not black.


Posted by: ann | March 24, 2008 12:39 AM

rippermccord....I suspected that. And I read that on another site earlier today. What else would one expect from Hillary? Thanks for getting the word out. We campaign for Obama.....hope you do also. I'm guessing you do.

Posted by: cheryl | March 24, 2008 12:40 AM

BUSH PRESSES HIS LIPS TO OBAMA's .....


George W. 'Lips' Bush : First Gay US President?

(PHOTO: Sir George H. W. Bush, Sr., whose Skull and Boner nickname is 'Magog,' Knight of the British Empire, hugs Skull & Boner former mayor-ambassador Victor Ashe in Knoxville, Tennessee.

Ashe was George Bush Jr's roommate and fellow cheerleader at all-male Yale University and was fired from the Tennessee legislature by the Tennessee Supreme Court for election fraud and perjury in 1974)

Is George W. Bush the first gay president?

Evidence of Bush's non-heterosexual proclivities keeps surfacing. Kitty Kelley's Bush Family expose' "The Family" (2004) had noted George W. Bush's homosexual relationsip with Victor Ashe, the Mayor of Knoxvillle, Tennessee.

Ashe, like Bush, is a member of the Yale University based Order of Skull and Bones, and was later appointed US Ambassador to Poland by Bush in December, 2003, after probes and inquiries by Congress.

George W. Bush, who was the head cheerlader at all-male Phillips Academy in Andover, Massachusetts, as well as cheerleader at all-male Yale University has been quoted as saying, "I want to thank my old college classmate (you used to call him Bulldog, we call him Victor) the Mayor of Knoxville Victor Ashe," at the Van Hilleary for Governor Luncheon, Knoxville, Tennessee, Oct.


________________________________________________________

what's this got to do with anything ??????


wellllllll, there's a lot going on in the whitehosue that isn't visible.


secrecty, no oversight, no watchdawgs and the bush family has ELIMINATED THE SYSTEM OF CHECKS AND BALANCES....

whose fault is that ????


THE EXECUTIVE BRANCHES, THE REPULSIVESCAMMERS and bush family and friends....


Posted by: someone that can cure what ails you.... | March 24, 2008 12:40 AM

What ever fake attempts you made at portraying a race of hope and different politics have all but disappeared. A person that was truly above it all would not continue to put people on stage time after time to bash a former President and the First Lady. This just shows how low class and un American the Obamas are. All you are doing is continuing to destroy the Democratic Party .......because you are losing more votes day by day.

I will tell you that as a fellow Democrat I am so tired and ashamed of the Obama tactics, that I vow that if Obama wins the nomination.....not only will I vote Republican.....I will make it my mission from now until November to also campaign for the Republicans.

America is too important to throw it away to someone who doesn't appreciate it and it's people.

Posted by: chula | March 24, 2008 12:42 AM

Thank you Mary and very thoughtfulpost Asja. I heard some good things in Obama's speech but I feel he is creating a lot of racial tension, giving people the impression that many Blacks are like rev Wright.

I see Rev Right more like Howard Stern or Rush Limbaugh in a extreme Black Preacher sort of war... He exaggerates.

I bet he helped a lot of people when he wasn't putting on that act and he looks warm and nice. I think Obama used him for contacts in the Black community, and it's sad that he resigned from his church and cereer to help Obama.

Obama is vicious and disloyal and does not deserve a freind like Rev. Wright who probably coached Obama in speech making, and Obama threw him under the bus. He will do the same to Richardson, I'm sure.

Posted by: Steve | March 24, 2008 12:42 AM


I think that they call them skull and boners because

dey always be skull fXXXing each other....


you dig?


George W. 'Lips' Bush : First Gay US President?

(PHOTO: Sir George H. W. Bush, Sr., whose Skull and Boner nickname is 'Magog,' Knight of the British Empire, hugs Skull & Boner former mayor-ambassador Victor Ashe in Knoxville, Tennessee.

Ashe was George Bush Jr's roommate and fellow cheerleader at all-male Yale University and was fired from the Tennessee legislature by the Tennessee Supreme Court for election fraud and perjury in 1974)

Is George W. Bush the first gay president?

Evidence of Bush's non-heterosexual proclivities keeps surfacing. Kitty Kelley's Bush Family expose' "The Family" (2004) had noted George W. Bush's homosexual relationsip with Victor Ashe, the Mayor of Knoxvillle, Tennessee.

Ashe, like Bush, is a member of the Yale University based Order of Skull and Bones, and was later appointed US Ambassador to Poland by Bush in December, 2003, after probes and inquiries by Congress.

George W. Bush, who was the head cheerlader at all-male Phillips Academy in Andover, Massachusetts, as well as cheerleader at all-male Yale University has been quoted as saying, "I want to thank my old college classmate (you used to call him Bulldog, we call him Victor) the Mayor of Knoxville Victor Ashe," at the Van Hilleary for Governor Luncheon, Knoxville, Tennessee, Oct.


________________________________________________________

what's this got to do with anything ??????


wellllllll, there's a lot going on in the whitehosue that isn't visible.


secrecty, no oversight, no watchdawgs and the bush family has ELIMINATED THE SYSTEM OF CHECKS AND BALANCES....

whose fault is that ????


THE EXECUTIVE BRANCHES, THE REPULSIVESCAMMERS and bush family and friends....


Posted by: con's piracies.....you mean this ????? | March 24, 2008 12:42 AM

rippermccord --

You're more wrong than you can possibly imagine.

Just like you are about Obama.

He's not the kind of guy you think he is.

I know enough about Barry Obama to know that he shouldn't be elected to anything and that he wouldn't stand a chance in the general election.

The real Barry Obama is a really bad guy.

The biggest mistake the Democratic Party could make would be to nominate him.

Once the truth about Barry starts coming out he doesn't stand a chance.

Its worse than you can possibly imagine.

Posted by: svreader | March 24, 2008 12:43 AM

No conspiracy theory, chula. Fact. svreader wrote about it within the last couple of days -- shouldn't be that hard to find for such an enterprising sleuth such as yourself. Funny how you don't like conspiracy theories, though. You and your pals have been ALL about conspiracy theories.

Good night, Obama friends.

Got to stay on top of these idiots, but not at the cost of tomorrow's phone calls into Pennsylvania.

http://factcheck.barackobama.com/

Posted by: rippermccord | March 24, 2008 12:44 AM

I have nothing against Obama, and no predjidous to hire Hillary for


manager / president of the United States

but as a hiring manager, if I want quick turnaround of an existing problem, I hire someone that understands the problem,

not someone that schmoozes the sxxx out of me during the interview process....


I don't care about your suit, your demeanor or your friends, the only thing I care about is you.


When I look at Obama I see a mean Jimmy Carter, with no grasp to back up his meaness.....stomping around like an angry woman will not have the same effect as a personal relationship with "the situation," by having been there before


I think that Hillary has been involved in the Presidence at the intimate decision making level before. I see Bill Clinton as a person that used her as an advisor and pointman on several situations that could have developed into world level crisis

She and Bill Clinton know first hand about the vast right wing conning spiracy...that is trying to pull the wool over the populance's eyes as it takes it's contracts and funding and trys to tell the world and "the people," we aren't here anymore.


Really? All of those bush appointees and non compete contracts and BLACKWATER are going to be gone when a new President takes up residence in the oval office stained by the sweat of a $200 an hour male prostitute visiting the current President,


that the repulsive scammers have made sure that you never heard about....as they beat the drum of homophobia to herd you.


The people who run Washington D.C. are by and large good people, their bosses are not. I have nothing against the workers of Halliburton, Bechtel, DynCorp, KBR and others


but the reason that they exist is to feed off of the AMERICAN taxpayers while returning the people nothing on their investment. Seperate bush and his friends and family from the Washington D.C. feed trough. Shut down AEI the ISRAELI backed thinktank that makes visible policy for this administration and imprison those who work there that have commited TREASON against the United States by pressing ISRAELS needs as if they were U.S. of A. needs. They are not.

Who would I want for president? Who would I hire? Hillary, you may not like her, but she can do the job. I don't see anything in Obama but someone that can use "how people see him," something that he has used before. Will it work in Washington?


Sure as long as he doesn't need to actually change anything


he doesn't have the knowledge to do the job.

period.

Posted by: get a brigp dounclun about it. | March 24, 2008 12:45 AM

Funny how I mention the 300 and svreader makes a nearly immediate post after an hour's absence and chula's notice of my post.

Hmmmm...

Posted by: rippermccord | March 24, 2008 12:48 AM

what is the truth?

the people leading are on the take,

they are not looking to do a good job.


they just want to get out with their deals intact...

bush is all about setting up payoff schemes that he gets a cut from...


listen closely,


the missing MIDDLE CLASS is the problem with the ECONOMY.

When 3 out of 4 former FACTORY / MANUFACTURING SECTOR WORKERS are working retail, instead of UNION factory jobs, but working retail:


w/ reduced salary

w/ no benefits

w/ no healthcare


they don't buy anything of worth.


they don't save.


they don't go to the doctors.


their debt load increases, because they can't believe things keep getting WORSE.


AND
all the professions that normally are hired to support the now "out of work citizens," those in the MANUFACTURING SECTOR / Computer programmers/ customer support staff/and so on... SUFFER AS WELL...


mortgage companies, doctors, lawyers, accountants, business suppliers, office supply companies, and so on...

how do you solve it economic crisis ???? not by printing more money up.


how do you solve it????? by recognizing it for what it is and start putting some rules in place to correct the situation, ACROSS THE BOARD....it's a multilevular problem...and it's important not to solve a piece of it, but to act to solve the whole thing at_once

the current crisis is a NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE....the WELFARE OF THE ENTIRE COUNTRY IS AT STAKE...

broad measures are needed.


1. stop outsourcing immediately. after issuing a warning that outsourcing will be regulated as a NATIONAL SECURITY MEASURE....rich boys don't want to comply, stop doing business with them and seize their in_country assets.

2. start treating goods manufactured by "AMERICAN" companies overseas, as what they are....IMPORTED GOODS, _NOT_ AMERICAN goods....their not

3. immediately end tax breaks for overseas productions...

4. require companies that have "AMERICAN" status to have at least 94 PERCENT OF their workers in_country, and that goes for the goods that they produce or services provided....like customer support...a company that has 90 Percent of their service workers, customer service, billing in BANGALORE INDIA is not an AMERICAN company...

5. make it _ILLEGAL_ TO OUTSOURCE GOVERNMENT work


6. require companies that do out of country work to meet the same standards of ethical behavior, EPA regulations and hiring practices that they do in_country.

7. ARREST THE EMPLOYERS OF _ILLEGALS_ you want have to deport anyone...they'll leave, _ILLEGALS_ are here for the money, not citizenship...we allow HALF A MILLION LEGAL ALIENS IN A YEAR...most from Mexico...


stop outsourcing.....across the board


so no company has an advantage over another...


the CORPORATIONS walked away from AMERICANs w/o looking back...they can afford to bring the jobs back, or quit selling in AMERICA,


ps. AMERICA is still the biggest MARKET IN THE WORLD, WITH MORE ARIBLE LAND than any other continent, and more natural resources than any country on earth.

.can we make it out of this mess?


easily....if we stop the corruption today, and cut their legs off.


stop paying bushCO and CRONYs, investigate and sue them into oblivion....detain them in gitmo, including Poppy, Marvin and Jeb...what a hoot....


maybe they'll commit suicide as a publicity stunt too......cool


.

George W. Bush and company? detain in gitmo indefinitely...they'll keep


won't they, and then we will SUE THEM into OBLIVION and get back every thing that they have stolen from the country !!!


while they rot......in GITMO !


HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO RAH !!!!!!!!

Posted by: let's do it !!!!! | March 24, 2008 12:48 AM


The betrayal of Governor Richardson to the Latin Community is unforgiveable, we as a group have supported Senator Clinton by overwhelming numbers, in his lack of wisdom the governor has failed to see that under an Obama administration we will be consider just an other minority, I can assure you we are not! And what's more we don't consider ourselves one!
I urge the Latin Community to support Senator Clinton now more than ever; our support for her will not be forgotten. Senator Clinton is the only candidate ready to take charge from day one.
Obama will never be an advocate for the Latin Community; he will be involved with the likes of Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright and others to see anything else.

Wake up America.
Posted by: A. Moreno
----------------------

Latinos will stay with Hillary...we cannot support what Obama stands for Division and Hatred.

Obamas attempt at using Richardson to lure the Latino/Hispanic vote is outrageous...he continues to try to divide this nation by race. We will not allow him to do this anymore. Is it not enough that he has created a racial divide between black and whte america...now he wants to add the Latinos to that divide as well.

This is a man that does not deserve to be President!

Latinos for Hillary

Posted by: maria | March 24, 2008 12:50 AM

svreader 100% smears and lies 100% of the time.

At least its consistent.

Posted by: Michael G. | March 24, 2008 12:50 AM

Obama DID NOT keep Michigan and Florida from re voting. The states decided that....they set it aside themselves. It's a simple truth...stop the lies. Oh and that Hillary/Bosnia thing...does Hillary have any ethics whatsoever? Have you googled Clinton Fraud Trial? Her campaign is based on lies, cheating, DESPERATION. How can they face themselves in the mirror? Are they so desperate that they can't see how they look to the world?

Posted by: cheryl | March 24, 2008 12:51 AM

you want a piece of me boyah????


LOOK AT THE LAST PARAGRAPH...


and DO A SEARCH on


BUSH, Walker, MONEY LAUNDERING

In 1953, Bush got money from Brown Brothers Harriman and, with partners Hugh and Bill Liedtke, formed Zapata Petroleum. By the late 1950s they were millionaires. Bush bought subsidiary Zapata Off-Shore from his partners and went into business on his own in 1954. By 1958, the new company was drilling on the Cay Sal Bank in the Eastern Gulf of Mexico. These islands had been leased to Nixon supporter and CIA contractor Howard Hughes the previous year and were later used as a base for CIA raids on Cuba. The CIA was using companies like Zapata to stage and supply secret missions attacking Fidel Castro's Cuban government in advance of the Bay of Pigs invasion. The CIA's codename for that invasion was "Operation Zapata." In 1981, all Securities and Exchange Commission filings for Zapata Off-Shore between 1960 and 1966 were destroyed. In other words, the year Bush became vice president, important records detailing his years at his drilling company disappeared. In 1969, Zapata bought the United Fruit Company of Boston, another company with strong CIA connections.

Career: Political leader. Received the Distinguished Flying Cross for Bravery during World War II; U.S. congressman from Texas (1966-1970), ambassador to the United Nations (1971-1974); Special Envoy to China (1974-1975); Republican National Chairman (1975-1976); Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) director (1976-1977); vice president of the U.S. (1981-1989); president of the U.S. (1989-1993).

In 1964, Bush campaigned against the Civil Rights Act. He lost that election but was elected to Congress in 1966 and again in 1968. He was defeated in the race for Senate by Democrat Lloyd Bentsen in 1970.

He served as Gerald Ford's Director of Central Intelligence (DCI) from November 1975 to January 1977. As head the CIA, Bush was answerable only to President Ford. He was supposedly the first CIA "outsider" to hold the agency's top position. During his tenure as DCI he maintained a policy of disinformation and secrecy, despite a public show of cooperation with congressional investigations of CIA abuses such as assassination plots using Mafia hit men. In September 1976, Chilean dissident leader Orlando Letelier was assassinated in Washington D.C. by agents of DINA, Chile's secret police. The CIA knew of such plots, and the two assassins entered the U.S. using fake Paraguayan passports. But the FBI was kept in the dark about this information.

In 1979, the year before he campaigned for the Republican nomination for president, Bush claimed a nuclear war was winnable. Ronald Reagan won the 1980 nomination and chose Bush as his running mate. As vice president, Bush cast three tie-breaking votes to renew chemical weapons production, supported sale of missiles to "terrorist" Iran and the illegal arming of the Nicaraguan contras and other paramilitary groups he called "freedom fighters.


He also chaired The Presidential Task Force on Deregulation which, according to Mary Fricker in her book Inside Job, "set the tone" for bank deregulation which led to the savings and loan financial disaster of the 1980s.


interesting....eh!?


WE THE PEOPLE

pay their salaries, and they refuse to do the work that they were hired to do.....

don't let them back in.

fire them en masse....being a rethuglican is no longer a necessary thing...

let's extinct them....


thank you so mech...let's just get rid of them.

good idea, the world didn't end, they are not necessary, the work that _they_ do is fill their pockets with the nations money...


bury them....let history eat them.


.

Posted by: hey you little bunny sucker... | March 24, 2008 12:52 AM

Funny how I mention the 300 and svreader makes a nearly immediate post after an hour's absence and chula's notice of my post.

Hmmmm...
Posted by: rippermccord
----------------

Ripper PLEASE TAKE YOUR MEDICATION before you do something you might regret.

Signed Chula number 298 of the 300 group :)

Posted by: chula | March 24, 2008 12:54 AM

Obama gave a beautiful speech on race - no solutions - then turns around and plays another race card... The Richardson Endorsement, accept Richardson wants to be VP, and Obama is not loyal... so good luck Richardson, Obama will throw you under the bus, just like Rev Wright and his grandmother.

Obama is making Wrightgate about Rev. Wright but it's really about Obama: Why did he join a Segregated Church (contacts? To meet influential Black members like Oprah? To establish his Black political base?; Why did Obama at first lie and say he was not aware of Wright's racism, and cried that tune until his speechwriter's had time to respond; Obama is not loyal to people and maybe not loyal to the USA or Democrats; Why didn't he finish his term in the Senate and prove he is someone who works for change rather than try and be the presidential candidate with the least experience than anyone in modern times; can Obama respond to a crisis with good judgment and honesty or is he all about speechmaking. Those are the real issues. Wright is just a symptom of Obama's problem with credibility.

Is Obama Playing a Sly Race Card with Richardson Endorsement? Problem is Obama is not Loyal... Obama will throw Richardson under the Bus, as he did Rev. Wright before him, when Obama no longer needs Richardson.

Richardson thinks he will be Obama's VP, and Obama has shown no loyalty to anyone, so what chance does Richardson really have if, God Forbid the master of double-talk Obama is elected.

Obama has shown no loyalty to Wright (when he encouraged Rev. Wright to resign from the church, for Obama's sake, and dropped from his campaign), His grandmother, Democrats, the USA. Obama's Problem is not Wright, that's a smoke screen, and scapegoat. Obama's problem is lack of truth under pressure, no loyalty, unable to respond quickly to a crisis, all speech no action, and lack of experience and credibility.

I hope Hillary wins -- despite that Obama managed to keep FL and MI voters from being heard and caused them to be denied a voice in this election -- and Obama will ultimately do his term in the Senate and prove he is someone who would work hard for change. My problem with Obama has noting to do with race it's his seeming loyalty, and poor judgement (despite his claims he has good judgment) and that he is the least experience candidate to run for president in recent history. I'm a peace activist, so despite his rhetoric to the contary, I look at his voting record, and he's a hawk. So to me he is not New, Different, Better or Best, he's another politician trying to undermine truth. He's just really good at it and very gifted as a speaker, but Hillary seems like a much better leader if we want change we can believe in.

What would be so bad about Obama returning to the senate for more experience and to prove himself... he is the least experienced candidate to run for President in modern times and despite his ruthless press agent Axelrod, Hillary is much more prepared to be President than Obama.

Posted by: Steve | March 24, 2008 12:55 AM


GEORGE BUSH ON HIS KNEES IN THE WHITEHOUSE GIVING AND GETTING BJ's from $200/hr PROSTITUTE ????


George Bush and this man James Guckert (a.k.a. Jeff Gannon) - a $200/hour gay male prostitute? (See Monday's expose by John Aravosis of AmericaBlog.org)

Sooner or later, Washington will have to ask: Did George W. Bush Have Sex with That Man, James Guckert?

On January 26, George W. Bush called on Guckert/Gannon at one of Bush's rare press conferences, "bypassing dozens of far more experienced reporters" according to Joe Strupp of Editor & Publisher.

I guess that depends on the meaning of "experienced."

This was not Guckert/Gannon's first time near Bush. Guckert/Gannon was at other Bush press conferences and was called on by Bush once before. Moreover, Guckert/Gannon went to the White House nearly every day for nearly 2 years. Each time he went, he got specific permission from Scott McClellan's White House Press Office. And Guckert/Gannon went to Bush's White House Christmas Party.

How did a $200/hour gay male prostitute get near George W. Bush nearly every day for 2 years?

Don't tell me the Secret Service didn't know Guckert/Gannon's background. It took amateur bloggers at DailyKos about 5 minutes to find out Gannon owned male prostitution websites, and just two weeks for Aravosis to find out he was a $200/hour PROSTITUTE !!!!! I guarantee Scott McClellan and other top White House officials knew exactly who Guckert/Gannon was. According to RawStory.com, McClellan himself has been spotted at gay bars.

So how will the American people learn the sordid truth about Bush, the White House, and Guckert?

The Lying Right-Wing Media (LRWM) won't ask the question. According to those brave News Hounds who watch FOX so we won't have to, Gannon/Guckert's name has never even been mentioned on FOX. Just imagine the wall-to-wall coverage on FOX if this had happened in the CLINTON White House!

But we'll ask it - and we'll keep asking it until we get the truth.

Did George W. Bush - and/or other top White House officials - have sexual relations with that man, James Guckert?

Lest you think this is an absurd question, I'll refer you to the widespread rumors that Bush had a long-term sexual relationship with his Ambassador to Poland ("don't forget Poland!"), former Yale classmate and Knoxville Mayor Victor Ashe. As with every other Bush scandal (AWOL, Bulgegate, Harken Energy, etc.), the Victor Ashe scandal has been blacked out by the LRWM.

I'll also refer you to widespread rumors that GOP Chairman Ken Mehlman is gay. Why has DNC chair Howard Dean been put under a microscope by the LRWM, but not RNC chair Ken Mehlman? Surely a party which used homophobia to "win" the 2004 elections should explain how it could tolerate a gay chairman at the same time as it militantly opposes gay rights?

Finally, I'll refer you to the "call boys" scandal of the Reagan-Bush White House, which made the front page of the Washington Times in 1989. (Thanks Necco!)

Last week, we posted a petition for a Special Prosecutor for "Jeff Gannon." (So far, we've collected nearly 8,000 signatures - please sign it if you haven't yet.) Reps. Louise Slaughter and John Conyers asked Plame-gate Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald to expand his investigation to include Guckert/Gannon's access to secret CIA documents about Valerie Plame. Fitzgerald has subpoena powers, so he'd have no trouble tracking down Guckert/Gannon's clients from his pager records.

Guckert/Gannon is at the center of what may be the biggest sex/spy scandal in American history.

Sooner or later, the truth shall set America free.

LET's SEE WHAT THIS PARTICULAR FELON REPUBLICANS SAY ABOUT GEORGE W. BUSH giving BJ's to JEFF GANNON:

________________________________

nosubstituteforvictory wrote:

a real man would resign.

__________________________________________________

this REPULSIVE SCAMMER, who with his name sayz..there is no substitute for VICTORY...which means "whatever it takes legal or ILLEGAL !!!!" it's okay...


says that George W. Bush should resign...


don't you agree? mary mac, robbtay, algibbs, martinedwinanderson....


or is that just the story line you all are pushing...


eh!?


Posted by: get rid of them and their minions... | March 24, 2008 12:55 AM

Obama supporters,

The Hillary/McCain crowd have created a group called the 300, meant to serve as a firewall against Obama on sites such as this. svreader slipped up about it in another article's comments section a while back.

It is a rotating group of hate mongers and liars intended to provide a "tag team" approach to posting. They don't have 300 members as far as I can tell and they are quite pathetically committed to incestuously sharing the same lies and filth and spreading them far and wide. Much of the disinformation provided here comes from them.

Don't be discouraged. It's just another element of the Clinton Machine at work hand-in-glove with the GOP.

Obama '08

Posted by: rippermccord | March 24,
2008 12:30 AM

Thanks for that. I assumed that anyone as relentlessly ridiculous as svreader had to be some sort of bot.

Posted by: Michael G. | March 24, 2008 12:55 AM

Obama did not agree with the Michigan Re-Vote....so YES HE HAS KEPT MICHIGAN FROM VOTING.

If Obama would say go ahead....they would vote.

So tell your candidate to wake up...we need Michigan and Florida to win the general election.

Posted by: mary | March 24, 2008 12:57 AM

rippermccord --

Like a lot of Obama supporters, you think anyone who opposes him works for one of the campaigns, or is part of a conspiracy.

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but "a member of the 300" is a term I use for someone who is willing to stand up for what's right against overwhelming odds.

Re-read my post and you'll see.

Posted by: svreader | March 24, 2008 12:57 AM


Senator Barack Obama spoke out against the Iraqi war in October, 2002, showing courage, integrity and judgment. He warned of the costs of the war. Have we forgotten that we are in a war in which thousands of our young men and women have lost their lives, that tens of thousands of our young men and women now live their lives as paraplegics, crippled, blind, many with their faces burned away, many with their limbs blown away? Have we forgotten the hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi men, women and children who have died or been permanently disabled like our own brave soldiers? Have we forgotten the cost of the war that has put our country in an economic recession? Hillary Clinton voted to give George Bush authorization to initiate this war why isn't she being held accountable? Have we just forgotten about her vote?
Hillary Clinton supported the reckless Kyl-Lieberman Iran bill, making a US attack on Iran just that much more possible and confirmed that she learned little from her earlier vote to authorize the Iraq war.
Over 150 nations have signed the 1997 Mine Ban Treaty, our nation has not. But in the autumn of 2006, there was a chance to take a step in the right direction: Senate Amendment No. 4882, an amendment to a Pentagon appropriations bill that would have banned the use of cluster bombs in civilian areas. Senator Obama of Illinois voted IN FAVOR of the ban. Senator Clinton of New York voted AGAINST the ban.
Stop watching Fox news people! Do you really think that Chris Dodd, John Kerry, Governor Richardson and Ted Kennedy would support Senator Obama if any of the smears put out by the Clinton and McCain campaigns were true? These are some of the strongest Democratic leaders in our country. Dont buy into swift boating people! Not this time!!!!
Senator Barack Obama has won 30 contests to Clinton's 14. He has acquired 1,418 delegates to her 1,251. Calling several states that Clinton won, the swing states is just more spin added to an endless string of misinformation and smear attempts against Senator Obama. Clinton's claims to foreign policy experience have been widely disputed by those actually involved in Bosnia and Ireland for example. See video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It6JN7ALF7Y&eurl=http://shootingsparks.blogspot.com/ Choosing our next president is not choosing your favorite sports figure. Examine the legislative records of the candidates. Senator Obama has 12 years of experience in public office to Clinton's 7. Americans know that we must stop corporate lobbyists in Washington from running our government. Senator Obama does not take money from PACs or Washington lobbyists and will not owe any favors to corporations at the cost of our environment, our economy, or our troops. Clinton's entire campaign has been funded by corporations. We are the change we have been waiting for and we have the power to elect Senator Obama based on his record of leadership, honor and integrity.

Posted by: Katy7540 | March 24, 2008 12:57 AM


that would make good sense, but do you scum know the answer to thisone???


you never seem to answer direct questions, which means you're poseurs, scammers, paid posters, schiess talkers....

scum o'theearth...come to me little gomers so I may teach you the way of the earth.

who is Saddam Hussein ?????

someone that George H.W. BUSH propped up to be the bad guy....

how did George H.W. Bush prop him up ????

he made him a personal ally. how did George H.W. BUSH make SADDAM HUSSEIN A PERSONAL ALLY !!!!!


he sold him weapons, provide him funding, got special favors for him, aided him in killing the KURDS with Mustard GAS and Nerve Gas...._ILLEGAL_ WEAPONS, against the law to sell or have possession of...


GEORGE H.W. BUSH WAS CONSIDERED TO BE A PERSONAL FRIEND OF SADDAM HUSSEIN, as was Donald Rumsfeld...


Saddam was suckered into attacking kuwiat


so that George H.W. BUSH could harvest IRAQI OIL....

in his second term....

but he didn't get a second term.... BILL CLINTON and HILLARY CLINTON


took office.....George H.W. BUSH got IRAQIS INTERRUPTUS....

no money....even with killing 200 Marines and throwing schiess storm after scheiss storm at BILL and HILLARY CLINTON...


so the powers of insider washington took matters into their own hands and commited ELECTORAL FRAUD


and got scheiss-head elected...


think I am nuts ??? making it all up???? good


SEARCH on April Glaspie, Saddam Hussein, New York Times, transcript

read the conversation between George H.W. BUSHes envoy and Saddam Hussein just prior to Desert Storm...she invites Saddam to invade Kuwiat


then SEARCH on "PNAC Letter to Clinton," dated 1998

it's actually a statement by JINSA put forth in 1996, that bushCO und CRONERSTAG used to legitimize their oil theft...

Afghanistan ???


SEARCH on Bridas Corporation, Unocal / Chevron, Trans Afghanistan Pipeline

SEARCH on Gary Webb, Parry, drugs, heroin, Afghanistan


a yup


these are some bad seed in charge.


.

Posted by: you mean settin up a fire wall against republi conners disguised as democrats... | March 24, 2008 12:59 AM

your tax dollars working for

bushCO und CRONERStag drug trafficking teams...

http://www.mexidata.info/id1416.html

A Blackwater camp on the border may be a covert attempt to militarize the border without going through congressional oversight or public debate. A so-called "training camp" could probably also function as an operational base. Perhaps Blackwater will obtain government contracts to patrol the border, gradually edging out US agents and putting border security into the hands of a private army away from public scrutiny.

And Blackwater could run immigrant detention camps using the same methods they use in the Middle East. Even if this is not the plan, the Mexicans would have good reason to suspect this motivation.


The proposed training camp is located near international

drug supply routes

controlled by the Sinaloa Cartel.

WOT A FRICKING SURPRISE EH? AMERICA ????

GEORGIEWORGIEMAYBE INVOLVED IN THE DRUG TRADE ???

who could have guessed??? not you little washingtonian p***ies going to his homosexuah soirees....punters

.AMERICA THANKS YOU SPINELESS brownnosers!!!.fred hiatt and david broder you know who I'm talkin 'bout....YEAH, YOU ! ! ! ! !

.


The remote, mountainous terrain is like Afghanistan, where Blackwater has years of experience running covert operations, and assisting the drugtrafficking there....97 PERCENT OF THE WORLD's HEROIN comes out of AFGHANISTAN...a newworldorder drugstate....


Six miles from the proposed Blackwater camp, northern Mexico has a serious problem with "Men in Black" who coincidentally look, dress, and act just like the Blackwater people. In Mexico, the Men in Black are kidnappers, corrupt police officers, fake federal agents, or Zetas, a narco-paramilitary group. Although Americans may still be swallowing the argument that Blackwater is a "military auxiliary" outfit, the Mexicans are not fooled about who the Men in Black are, what they do, and who they work for. That these same people are now camped out on the US border, or are somehow involved in border enforcement, will lack credibility in Mexico.


ps. you remember about a year and a half ago, BUSH was pushing for AMNESTY w/NO_BACKGROUND_INVESTIGATION...


you wann know why? so he could pack the BORDER PATROL with his latino_death_squad_members


to assist in his drug running business.

think I'm mad, insane, clueless???


SEARCH ON Gary Webb, Parry, Cocaine, George H.W. Bush, Departement of Justice Letter of Understanding

read the letter.

Posted by: drug traffickers in charge of your government....where does that money get laundered people???? in c | March 24, 2008 1:01 AM


If I had a choice, I would have preferred to have been born white in society. Being born black is like a curse from God. It seems, blacks are hated by most races and ethnic groups on the planet earth. It's strange, God gave all other races nice straight or curly hair, but he cursed us with nappy hair and Negroid features. I look at those young preppy white men and women at Georgetown, American, Catholic, and George Washington Universities here in Washington. It appears, they don't have a care in the world. Hispanics want to identify with being white and are accepted by whites before blacks are, because black is seen as being negative. Spanish television is a good example with white Latino faces, blond hair, and green or blue eyes. I hate being a black man or person in society. Hopefully, I will not have to deal with discrimination in "Heaven or Hell". White folks are lying if they say blacks have the same opportunities as whites in America. Being born white, blond, blue eyes, attractive, and poor gives you a better chance of making it in the United States. Being Caucasian in society gives one privileges on earth. I can't wait for death to come for me. Being a black person is depressing and a cruse. I have lost my faith and trust in God! What God would let these types of things happen to me? God have blessed whites with the finer things in life on this planet earth, but it appears, God hates black people. I am one of them! This is not a joke. I can assure you, I am a black man living in Washington, D.C. I know, there are other blacks who share my feelings, but they are afraid to say it. I would give anything to be a white person in society.

Posted by: I Hate Being Black | March 24, 2008 1:01 AM

I'm so happy Richardson did not endorse Mrs. Clinton. He's a disloyal, 'what's in it for me?' politician. He is the one running "gutter" politics in his state. Bill--we're tired of you too!

Posted by: Eileen | March 24, 2008 1:02 AM

Obama is very smart and well educated, and uses tried and true methods to win over voters gather loyal followers. It would appear he borrows his best campaign strategies from Christian Ministers and Orations (His prophetic speeches); Muslim Jihad; (Def: Personal individual struggle against evil in the way of Allah. It can also be collective defense of the Muslim community. Obama has organized his followers to comb the internet drowning out non-believers as if their lives depended on it); Intimidation (accuse a few people early on of racism to intimidate the press from); Black Solidarity (intimidate Black Government Office holders who do not support him); Loftiness (Withholding personal information about his past that may not support his claims of a history of making change happen); Attacking Hillary Nonstop and at the same time accusing her of being Negative; The tried and true practices of Advertising: New, Different, Better, Best; Make many demands and proclamations (such as no democrat is allowed to mention things he mentioned in his books like race, drugs, or his Muslim, or face being fired); Make political contacts and alliances with promises of cabinet appointments, maybe his short list for VP; and finally he is the king of the smearing while claiming smearing, and creating news on a slow news day for a brilliant Photo Op (see smiling photos of Obama and Condoleezza Rice based on some dumb issue of a passport, which turns out was also done to Hillary and McCain, yet Obama got lost of publicity on a slow day for his news; then there was the turban photo which many think he himself leaked to attract Muslim voters and smear Hillary at the same time; and my favorite the "Top Secret" meeting with John Edwards". All this created lots of news for Obama, in some case smears for Hillary, but was about... Nothing.

Posted by: Cass | March 24, 2008 1:06 AM

Katy7540 --

Do you work for the Obama campaign?

Tell the truth.

Your "Astro-turf" is showing....

Is Barry that desperate now?

Posted by: svreader | March 24, 2008 1:08 AM

had a choice I would have chosen to have been Elvis
...


. and your point is?

being black isn't the problem.


being in a caste based system is the problem...


slaves were treated the same way factory workers have been treated in the last few years....


discharged and left to founder.

the difference being that slaves had no edcucation, no support, and looked different...


segregation kept them seperate, money and position was denied to them, and they formed their own culture, and encultured the bad treatment that slavers trained them with....


ethnicity became self perpetuating, as the social skills necessary are not created, when the emotional age of the parents is less than 14...


I worked with very wealthy children of mostly white parents and poor minority students...


the main difference was not intellect but social training...

the black kids were smarter but less socially adept than their extremely rich, but not too bright bean counter priveleged kids...

the very wealthy kids were much like George W. Bush,


and seemed just as intellectually challenged.


.


Posted by: If I could have | March 24, 2008 1:10 AM

your tax dollars working for

bushCO und CRONERStag drug trafficking teams...

http://www.mexidata.info/id1416.html

A Blackwater camp on the border may be a covert attempt to militarize the border without going through congressional oversight or public debate. A so-called "training camp" could probably also function as an operational base. Perhaps Blackwater will obtain government contracts to patrol the border, gradually edging out US agents and putting border security into the hands of a private army away from public scrutiny.

And Blackwater could run immigrant detention camps using the same methods they use in the Middle East. Even if this is not the plan, the Mexicans would have good reason to suspect this motivation.


The proposed training camp is located near international

drug supply routes

controlled by the Sinaloa Cartel.

WOT A FRICKING SURPRISE EH? AMERICA ????

GEORGIEWORGIEMAYBE INVOLVED IN THE DRUG TRADE ???

who could have guessed??? not you little washingtonian p***ies going to his homosexuah soirees....punters

.AMERICA THANKS YOU SPINELESS brownnosers!!!.fred hiatt and david broder you know who I'm talkin 'bout....YEAH, YOU ! ! ! ! !

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The remote, mountainous terrain is like Afghanistan, where Blackwater has years of experience running covert operations, and assisting the drugtrafficking there....97 PERCENT OF THE WORLD's HEROIN comes out of AFGHANISTAN...a newworldorder drugstate....


Six miles from the proposed Blackwater camp, northern Mexico has a serious problem with "Men in Black" who coincidentally look, dress, and act just like the Blackwater people. In Mexico, the Men in Black are kidnappers, corrupt police officers, fake federal agents, or Zetas, a narco-paramilitary group. Although Americans may still be swallowing the argument that Blackwater is a "military auxiliary" outfit, the Mexicans are not fooled about who the Men in Black are, what they do, and who they work for. That these same people are now camped out on the US border, or are somehow involved in border enforcement, will lack credibility in Mexico.


ps. you remember about a year and a half ago, BUSH was pushing for AMNESTY w/NO_BACKGROUND_INVESTIGATION...


you wann know why? so he could pack the BORDER PATROL with his latino_death_squad_members


to assist in his drug running business.

think I'm mad, insane, clueless???


SEARCH ON Gary Webb, Parry, Cocaine, George H.W. Bush, Departement of Justice Letter of Understanding

read the letter.

Posted by: get real, get even, elect a real beeatch to kick some hind end...put Hillary in the whitehouse... | March 24, 2008 1:12 AM

As much as Obama supporters wish that Senator Clinton would step down....

The rest of Americans want her to stay in there and fight for our country. We need her and will support her as long as it takes....all the way to the convention.

Because we all know Obama is not going to win the general election. He has done more to DIVIDE this country than anyone in recent history. He has shown extremely poor judgment and America would only suffer at his hands. I would vote Republican before I hand off this great country to a man who has shown to be the liar and manipulator who doesn't even respect his own grandmother....how could he defend Wright and keep trashing her?

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Vote no for Obama in November

Posted by: ann | March 24, 2008 1:13 AM

Obamas continued defense and support of people who disrespected those who died on 911 and those who spread hatred and propaganda against White Americans and Jews is unacceptable.

His continued trashing of former Presidents and America in general needs to stop!!!

I know he thinks of us all as "typical white people" but we're not.......and the Democratic party and the DNC better wake up before they have the biggest cross over to the Republicans in American History

Posted by: ch | March 24, 2008 1:17 AM

I used to be a Hillary supporter but I was so pissed when she did not have the courage or courtesy to thank us for all our hard work in our state primary during her speech that night. It was supposed to be a concession speech but she did not even mention anything about us.

That was very disrespectful I thought. And then the next day I got an email asking to contribute more to her campaign. No way I could do that again. I voted and donated to her mainly because she's a woman like me, but I've since realized that was a bad decision. I know America is ready for a female president but Hillary just doesn't cut it for me. Not after how she's conducted her campaign.

I'm for Obama all the way now. He's got what America truly needs to regain its status in this world.

I think Hillary needs to bow out gracefully but I'm afraid she does not know how to do that. I am not impressed how she is keeping on running her campaign.

All my friends and family have switched to Obama and we've since donated to his campaign (even though we had previously donated to Hillary). I think it's time to unite the party and get ready to fight McCain and his 100-yr Iraq war and Bomb Iran campaign.

This year is our year. We have all got to fight to get our Democratic Party to the Presidency. We don't want a 3rd Bush-McSame term.

Democrats all the way!

Thank you Bill Richardson. That was a great endorsement. The floodgates are now open and all remaining supers will soon follow.


p.s. Enough of Fox News and the Republican propaganda machine.

http://foxattacks.com

Posted by: Julie | March 24, 2008 1:18 AM

Wasn't Bill Richardson the one that said OBAMA DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH EXPERIENCE during his campaigning?

I agree with Richardson Obama doesn't have enough experience....thats why I am voting for Clinton.

Posted by: roni | March 24, 2008 1:20 AM

Dear Voting Doesn't Matter:

Please don't say that about yourself. I'm not even religious and a Hillary supporter, but we are all God's children and God loves you. Take care.

Posted by: hillary supporter | March 24, 2008 1:21 AM

Julie

If you feel that strongly about Senator Clinton not thanking you enough....then you must really be pssssd at Obama because when he won in Mississippi...he didn't even bother to stay and say thank you!

Mississippi was the last race before Pennsylvania...so it's not like he didn't have the time to at least stay and address all the people that worked hard to get him voted.

Posted by: c | March 24, 2008 1:24 AM

It's obvious Clinton and Obama have more support than McCain. This should be a 3 person race, Clinton Does Not owe the democratic party anything, she does however owe her Millions of supporters something. SHE SHOULD BE THE INDEPENDENT CANIDATE!

Posted by: L.S. | March 24, 2008 1:25 AM


Vote no for Obama in November

Posted by: ann | March 24, 2008 01:13 AM


Sorry ann. The smears and lies directed against President Obama have only served to make me more sure of my choice.

Go ahead and vote for McInsane if you want. I suspect you were going to do so anyway.

Posted by: Michael G. | March 24, 2008 1:25 AM

"I hate being BlacK" my heart goes out to you...you should know though that I think Black people are baeutiful. I'm a Hillary supporter, but one of the reason's Obama is popular is because he's good looking... it sure isn't his experience.

I don't want Obama because he's underhanded and the least experienced person to run for President in modern times. He's also ruthless and attacking people while denying it at the same time, and that is low.

Please understand, I rewalize being Black is not easy, but it's not easy being poor in America either, or depressed.

I like Rev Wright more than Obama and feel sorry for him for being used by Obama. I know it's not easy being Black but you sound depressed. Maybe you should seek some help. Only the most racist white people think Black people are not beautiful. I'm a peace activist and solar design consultant and have never been racist. I don't like Obama because he is ruthless and brilliant and is much like Bush, but claims to be the opposite.

Obama has ruined Rev Wright's career by using him, and he has also opened a lot of racial wounds. Please don't think Black is not beutiful because it is. There are 12-step programs for depression, maybe you should check that out. I bet you are beautiful, and even the most blue-eyed, rich white people get depressed and feel they have nothing to live for. Beauty and Happiness is not defined by race. One of the most beautiful and happiest people I have ever known is a Black woman, who I met as a child and have loved my entire life.

Cheer up... Look in the mirror and tell yourself that you are beautiful, because I am intuitive and I know you surely are ;-)

Posted by: Cass | March 24, 2008 1:31 AM

Obama's Main Game - A best defense is an offense -- Accuse Hillary of what He's Guilty of First... Works every time!

Obama is one sly contender, he's handsome, he gives brilliant speeches, and he's shrewd. His campaign reminds me of Bush Senior, former president, and head of the of CIA and whose campaign slogan was a kinder, gentler, America. As a President figure he seems like he's more like George W. Bush, says one thing does another, grew up with a silver spoon life but pretends to be a "home boy", and he depends on his staff to figure out the details and policies, and for his Press agent AXELROD to Magician to cover his back. I've done my homework as you will see below, and realized, Obama is a grand illusionist and nothing like he claims to be. I'd love to see how he performs as a Senator, as a Democratic nominee, he's basically unqualified and most likely unelectable. He's destroying Hillary's chances.

Hillary is someone who truly cares about going down in history as a President who helped the USA get back on track, and she seems to have all the qualifications to do so. The press has started to vet Obama, but not enough and he's still playing the press for underhanded jabs at Hillary and for fluffy photo Ops like the latest with Condoleezza Rice initiating from a trumped up claim about his Passport. Seems people were fired too, and I wonder if they deserved to be just so Obama could snag front-page news with Condoleezza Rice for his benefit.

At first I was mesmerized by Obama's speeches about Hope and Change, but after awhile, I felt like he lacked warmth and sincerity. He was telling US he would bring, "Change We Could Believe In", it sounded good, but something inside me was saying Obama is not someone I believe, so I started investigating his history, and found him to be passive aggressive but not pragmatic, ruthless and not loyal. A powerful speaker but unable to think on his feet... Like George W. Bush... Not Different, and certainly not a better presidential candidate for Democrats than Hillary, yet his manipulation of the press, young people, and Black voters, may be the Democrats demise, in November. It's a tragedy because Hillary could well create peace and prosperity, given the chance.

Posted by: Cass | March 24, 2008 1:32 AM

Michael G.

What I post about your fake candidate Obama is the truth.

I used to believe in Obama ....but no more he has shown to be anything but what hope and inspiration represent.

How can a man who defends racism, hatred and biggotry be about hope. He's about himself and anything it takes to win.

He has divided this country and continues to trash America and what it represents.

Vote NO for OBAMA in November!!!

Posted by: Ann | March 24, 2008 1:32 AM

I'm ann the Clinton supporter.

I'm sorry for everything I said before on this blog.

I am 100% for Obama.

Much better than McCain aka a third Bush term.

Please stop bashing me.

Posted by: ann | March 24, 2008 1:36 AM

Vote NO for OBAMA in November!!!

Posted by: Ann | March 24, 2008 01:32 AM

As I said before, your unsubstantiated lies are hardly convincing to me or the other millions of Obama supporters.
We actually bother to check the facts.

And if you want to use the word bigotry you should really learn how to spell it first.

Posted by: Michael G. | March 24, 2008 1:41 AM

Bill Clinton floated the race card before the South Carolina primary and he implied that Senator Obama does not love our country here. He knew exactly what the subtext of his remarks suggests.

Governor Richardson was most gracious in letting Bill off the hook here but many won't. These tactics are unworthy of a former president.

Posted by: KatiaK | March 24, 2008 1:48 AM

Obama needs to do patriotism 101 before he runs for presidency. He is dreaming (oh no hoping! had to get the 'hope' word in there) of the presidency. No way. Mark my word!
With Richardson - they are a nice bunch of teacherous people campaigning for presidency

Posted by: dsclinton | March 24, 2008 1:51 AM

Obama is a man on a mission to the Presidency, working his contacts for all they are worth, playing all sides of the street and saying very little to maintain maximum wiggle room... and I see no loyalty or attention on working for change in his actions or character.

Obama is 47, and Accept for 10 months working for a civil rights organization, he's been focusing on crafting a strategy to rise to power, riches, and the ultimate political stardom: President of the USA. Obama has not time to waste in the Senate, he's going all the way, and doing whatever it's going to take to get him there, and using every "trick" in the book, and training supporters to do the same. My problem is I don't trust his judgment, and he knows people don't so his podium sign now says, Judgment... Hmmmm.

So many people on TV say Obama came from nothing, when in fact he went to the most expensive private schools in Hawaii, and then on to Expensive Ivy League Colleges, Columbia and harvard. He wasn't on Scholarships.

Rezko his fund raiser also fund raised for Bush. Obama is not different than Bush, he is connected to Bush and will be a President, very much like Bush if elected.

Read about Obama's history. Have you ever been conned? Obama is a brilliant con man he is claiming to be everything he is not. Do your homework and you will see. Don't take my word for it, but at the same time don't take his. He votes like a hawk and is not for peace. I'm a peace activist so I care about peace and feel Hillary is new and different and she will be the first woman president and will work hard to restore peace and prosperity.

Posted by: Cass | March 24, 2008 1:53 AM

>> TO: Posted by: c | March 24, 2008 01:24 AM

You make no sense.

Obama has always thanked his supporters, win or lose. He's a much more dignified candidate and I'm glad that Hillary showed her true colors that night. If not, I could still be believing in her like you are.

Whether you win or lose a primary, as a candidate, you should thank the people who voted and worked hard for you and concede the loss (if you lose). During our long bad losing streak of 10 in a row, that was when our primary happened and I've since noticed that she hasn't thanked us in any of the losses. She did not even mention about our losses. At least concede the loss and then move on.

She didn't even have the dignity to do that. Yes I know, we don't want to mention a loss, but that's the least she can do, concede and thank the state.

I've looked at how Obama has run his campaign and he's run it in such a more dignified way.

I'm an Obama convert. I've had enough of the kitchen sink strategy.

I had questions about why she was hiding so many things and still is hiding: 2006 tax returns (not 2007, which she should release apr.15,2008), Clinton library donor list (what's there to hide?), her past earmarks, etc. I'm just sick and tired of her secrecy. What is there to hide? If you have nothing to hide, then provide those things. It's not that hard.

I'm first and foremost a democrat and say NO to a 3rd Bush McSame term.

Thank you Richardson! Another proof that Hillary is losing all delegates. Since Feb.5 Obama has had +62 supers, Hillary +2.

Thankfully 95% of my friends and family are thinking the same as me. (yeah I still have a friend hanging on to Hillary, but I think she knows the end is near and she will join us soon). It was such a slap in the face, donating, working hard for her and then nothing, not even a simple thank you. Just a next-day contribute email... how rude.

Posted by: Julie | March 24, 2008 1:54 AM

Obama gave a beautiful speech on race - no solutions - then turns around and plays another race card... The Richardson Endorsement, accept Richardson wants to be VP, and Obama is not loyal... so good luck Richardson, Obama will throw you under the bus, just like Rev Wright and his grandmother.

Obama is making Wrightgate about Rev. Wright but it's really about Obama: Why did he join a Segregated Church (contacts? To meet influential Black members like Oprah? To establish his Black political base?); Why did Obama at first lie and say he was not aware of Wright's racism, and cried that tune until his speechwriter's had time to respond; Obama is not loyal to people and maybe not loyal to the USA or Democrats; Why didn't he finish his term in the Senate and prove he is someone who works for change rather than try and be the presidential candidate with the least experience than anyone in modern times; can Obama respond to a crisis with good judgment and honesty or is he all about speechmaking. Those are the real issues. Wright is just a symptom of Obama's problem with credibility.

Is Obama Playing a Sly Race Card with Richardson Endorsement? Problem is Obama is not Loyal... Obama will throw Richardson under the Bus, as he did Rev. Wright before him, when Obama no longer needs Richardson.

Richardson thinks he will be Obama's VP, and Obama has shown no loyalty to anyone, so what chance does Richardson really have if, God Forbid the master of double-talk Obama is elected.

Obama has shown no loyalty to Wright (when he encouraged Rev. Wright to resign from the church, for Obama's sake, and dropped from his campaign), His grandmother, Democrats, the USA. Obama's Problem is not Wright, that's a smoke screen, and scapegoat. Obama's problem is lack of truth under pressure, no loyalty, unable to respond quickly to a crisis, all speech no action, and lack of experience and credibility.

I hope Hillary wins -- despite that Obama managed to keep FL and MI voters from being heard and caused them to be denied a voice in this election -- and Obama will ultimately do his term in the Senate and prove he is someone who would work hard for change. My problem with Obama has noting to do with race it's his seeming loyalty, and poor judgement (despite his claims he has good judgment) and that he is the least experience candidate to run for president in recent history. I'm a peace activist, so despite his rhetoric to the contary, I look at his voting record, and he's a hawk. So to me he is not New, Different, Better or Best, he's another politician trying to undermine truth. He's just really good at it and very gifted as a speaker, but Hillary seems like a much better leader if we want change we can believe in.

What would be so bad about Obama returning to the senate for more experience and to prove himself... he is the least experienced candidate to run for President in modern times and despite his ruthless press agent Axelrod, Hillary is much more prepared to be President than Obama.

Posted by: Steve | March 24, 2008 1:59 AM

If Hillary cared about us, she would have thanked us after our state primary, even if she lost.

She has no respect for us. She just wanted our votes, our contribution and our hard work. And then when she lost, she did not mention a word about our state.

Hillary let me down and this is one of the things that made me change my support.

I wish I could have my vote back. And also my contributions! I spent over 20 hours canvassing for her, what a waste of time. Not because we lost, but because she didn't have the courtesy to thank us.

I know we were in a big losing streak but that doesn't mean you don't thank your supporters.

Posted by: Julie | March 24, 2008 2:01 AM

Julie...Obama won in Mississipp and never bothered to thank his supporters, who worked so hard to deliver a win. He just took off with no Thank You! Nothing!!!!!!!

Posted by: Cass | March 24, 2008 2:05 AM

Cass,

You Hillary people lie like dogs. Obama thanked Mississippi repeatedly. Here's just one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKj6ON05n10&feature=related

Posted by: rippermccord | March 24, 2008 2:23 AM

Julie

Sorry you feel like Clinton didn't thank you enough.

I on the other hand have had a great experience supporting and canvassing for Senator Clinton.

She has shown class and graciousness at every turn. Everyone that meets her leaves feeling proud and confident that she is the President America needs.

I have seen people cry from the excitement of getting to shake her hand and they are happy to see that she is so down to earth.

When she came down to our city, she met with every single volunteer...and took the time to shake hands and take pictures with everyone.

She is a great person and I'm sorry you didn't see that.

We are filled with pride to represent and support her as long as it takes...as hard as it might be...she is worth it...but more importantly America is worth it!

Posted by: c | March 24, 2008 2:26 AM

My good word. Are so many Clinton supporters simply so disillusioned because she is a woman. I guess any ex presidents wife is more than qualified to be a president by Clinton standards. And her simple claims are so tall they wreak of insincerity. And the very need to make those claims, makes her seem weak. What is troubling about all of this is Bill's presidency forever shall be marred by all the negativity that has been spewed in this campaign. She could have easily won this nomination if she was a smart and effective politician. Fight B O Bama on issues. He was bringing change, she could have brought familiarity and women to the WH. She just had to have a true calling and sincere to it. She never had those convictions not for women or for anybody else. It was all about her she waited in the wings to run. An opportune time. She miscalculated. And here she is. Talking about useless things like shaking hands with the Irish or flying unde sniper bullets. How does that make her more qualified? She never had a calling. She did not have a vision. She demonstrated that. If a lot of people and WOMEN are voting for her, remember these same people voted for another person they thought was so much more than he came across, GWBUSH. So soccer moms cmon use your better judgment. America needs a new leader not just because it is time for a women to be in the WH but Americans need to show a desire for a new leadership in this world. And Hillary is not new! She is stale, pale and a male!

Posted by: Anonymous | March 24, 2008 2:28 AM

Here's some more of Obama thanking Mississippi:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gGBkyY

Posted by: rippermccord | March 24, 2008 2:29 AM

I used to like Carville until I realized he was just the hatchet man for Clinton. The more I see of that guy and hear him cutting down anybody who gets in Clinton's way, the more I see raw ambition in the Clintons. To employ a guy who's only job is to run interference and can't admit the truth even when Clinton is looking in the camera and parsing the meaning of "is" or saying "I never had sex with that woman," shows unbelievable disrespect for voters and democracy. Now Carville is calling Richardson a Judas just because he chose Obama over Billary's attempts to woo his vote. I guess the popcorn and beer during Bill and Bill's Superbowl "chat" didn't impress Richardson. Carville is a hack apologist for a formerly great politician.

Posted by: rippermccord | March 24, 2008 2:36 AM

How can Rendell actually say that Obama is the one injecting race into the primary? Rendell stated publicly weeks ago that PA voters would have a hard time voting for a black candidate! It's breathtaking how dishonest the proxy attacks have become.

On another note, it's clear that, with regard to Obama's recent speech, a huge number of folks either did not listen to or read it, or were only paying attention to random isolated bits that would justify demented criticism of his "patriotism" or some other bs. There does not appear to be a terribly high level of comprehension being exhibited. Just the same shrill crap, repeating a single, moronic thought over and over. Tiresome.

It is not Obama's responsibility to transcend race for us. It is not his responsibility to provide solutions for us. No single person is capable of that. (He even said this in his speech, if you bothered to listen.) It is up to us to do the heavy lifting, all of us, individually and collectively. Expecting someone else to do the hard part is lazy. Just like reducing a person to sound bites. Pah. Obama has a deep and abiding hope in America, but I sure don't. We're too stupid to recognize even the most obvious items unless some pundit or celebrity or other public figure spoon-feeds his/her take on it, which we then immediately adopt. We've earned our current messes re the economy, war, etc through our single common feature: the inability to get beyond our own selfish, self-important anxieties. Instead of considering the greater good, everyone just screams for this thing or that thing, this person or that person, as if there is a magic cure that will make our lives perfect. We're a nation of spoiled, poorly educated children...

Posted by: Bubba | March 24, 2008 2:37 AM


I continue to be amazed by just how out of touch Obama supporters are with their candidate.

How is it that we know more than they do about Obama.

OBAMA WAS NOT IN MISSISSIPPI WHEN HE GAVE THE THANK YOU SPEECH. He was in Chicago..

Don't you guys know anything about your candidate.

Posted by: ann | March 24, 2008 2:38 AM

Here's some more of Obama thanking Mississippi:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gGBkyY

Posted by: rippermccord
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THIS WAS NOT..NOT...NOT in Mississippi.

...good try though

Posted by: Anonymous | March 24, 2008 2:40 AM

Amen, Bubba. Testify!

Obama '08

Posted by: rippermccord | March 24, 2008 2:41 AM

Obama gave a beautiful speech on race - no solutions - then turns around and plays another race card... The Richardson Endorsement, accept Richardson wants to be VP, and Obama is not loyal... so good luck Richardson, Obama will throw you under the bus, just like Rev Wright and his grandmother.

Obama is making Wrightgate about Rev. Wright but it's really about Obama: Why did he join a Segregated Church (contacts? To meet influential Black members like Oprah? To establish his Black political base?); Why did Obama at first lie and say he was not aware of Wright's racism, and cried that tune until his speechwriter's had time to respond; Obama is not loyal to people and maybe not loyal to the USA or Democrats; Why didn't he finish his term in the Senate and prove he is someone who works for change rather than try and be the presidential candidate with the least experience than anyone in modern times; can Obama respond to a crisis with good judgment and honesty or is he all about speechmaking. Those are the real issues. Wright is just a symptom of Obama's problem with credibility.

Is Obama Playing a Sly Race Card with Richardson Endorsement? Problem is Obama is not Loyal... Obama will throw Richardson under the Bus, as he did Rev. Wright before him, when Obama no longer needs Richardson.

Richardson thinks he will be Obama's VP, and Obama has shown no loyalty to anyone, so what chance does Richardson really have if, God Forbid the master of double-talk Obama is elected.

Obama has shown no loyalty to Wright (when he encouraged Rev. Wright to resign from the church, for Obama's sake, and dropped from his campaign), His grandmother, Democrats, the USA. Obama's Problem is not Wright, that's a smoke screen, and scapegoat. Obama's problem is lack of truth under pressure, no loyalty, unable to respond quickly to a crisis, all speech no action, and lack of experience and credibility.

I hope Hillary wins -- despite that Obama managed to keep FL and MI voters from being heard and caused them to be denied a voice in this election -- and Obama will ultimately do his term in the Senate and prove he is someone who would work hard for change. My problem with Obama has noting to do with race it's his seeming loyalty, and poor judgement (despite his claims he has good judgment) and that he is the least experience candidate to run for president in recent history. I'm a peace activist, so despite his rhetoric to the contary, I look at his voting record, and he's a hawk. So to me he is not New, Different, Better or Best, he's another politician trying to undermine truth. He's just really good at it and very gifted as a speaker, but Hillary seems like a much better leader if we want change we can believe in.

What would be so bad about Obama returning to the senate for more experience and to prove himself... he is the least experienced candidate to run for President in modern times and despite his ruthless press agent Axelrod, Hillary is much more prepared to be President than Obama.


Posted by: Steve
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Obama is NOT the one we need!!!

He has lied to many times... and has shown poor judgment.

Vote Hillary ..Vote McCain...don't waste your vote with Obama

Posted by: chula | March 24, 2008 2:43 AM

Julie...Obama won in Mississipp and never bothered to thank his supporters, who worked so hard to deliver a win. He just took off with no Thank You! Nothing!!!!!!!

Posted by: Cass | March 24, 2008 02:05 AM

-----------------------------------------

Lie. He thanked the state and his supporters, Where he was when he did it is irrelevant and another example of Hillary's supporters moving the goal post. After all, Hillary was in Ohio when she thanked Texas.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 24, 2008 2:45 AM

democrats must ask themselves when they go and vote. do you want 4 more years of white water monica l.and all of that other garbage. if you vote for her thats what your gonna get. we will relive that whole bunch of cr***p. i think she and he should ride off in the sunset and enjoy what time they have left in retirement.
Posted by: george t
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What democrats will ask themselves is

1. Do we want Rev. Wright running around the white house.

2. Do we want a President that supports and defends people who promote racism, hatred and anti-american views.

3. Do we want a President who supports and defends people that believe the people that died during 911 deserved it because of how the black community was treated in the past.

4. Do we want a President that believes white americans are "typical white people"

5. Do we want a President that lies all the time

6. Do we want a President that tried to help the Nuclear companies by re-writing legislation so that nuclear companies would no longer be required to report nuclear leaks.

7. Do we want a President that sided with the credit card companies and signed a bill that increased credit card rates to over 30%

8. Do we want a President that lied to us during National debates and implied that he only knew Rezko for 5-6 hours because of work he had done...when we now know they have been friends for over 16 years..purchased property together and have done favors for each other.

9. Do we want a President that is "friendly" with American Terrorist Ayers

10. Do we want a President that pledges allegiance to all Black Leaders above anyone else.

The answers are NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO...NO

He is too big of risk and he has proven to be untrustworthy.

Americans will VOTE NO for Obama

Posted by: chula | March 24, 2008 2:55 AM

Interesting that these Hillary people have nothing but hate and bs to throw at Obama, and they call it "truth." As if truth ever came from people who shout others down, call them names, make up stories about them and care nothing for fact, logic or common decency. These anti-Obama people may be working for Hillary or McCain, it's too hard to tell sometimes.

One thing is certain: They want to sow division between Democrats. They want people to be afraid. They can think of a million excuses not to vote for Obama. Yet their stories are outrageous, their "facts" don't check out, their histories are rife with errors and omissions.

Even a cursory glance through these posts reveals the plot to smear Obama. These people have no shame, no heart, no soul. They are vicious in their attacks. Relentless. They stay up hours posting and reposting the same garbage recycled from Hillary's talking points or obscure purveyors of blogged conspiracy theories.

They have no credibility, no agenda that makes sense, no candidate who espouses our highest ideals or challenges us to higher purpose, as Obama does.

They are gutter slime, and if they had no hate, they would have no life. They are utterly worthless, despicable excuses for human beings.

Posted by: rippermccord | March 24, 2008 2:56 AM

MEDIA TOO NICE TO CLINTON

Yes, that's right. Ms. Clinton hasn't faced tough questions on her monolithic "35 years of experience" which she claims make her "ready on day one to me commander in chief". Where is the accounting and the analysis of these statements? Where is the contrast between her two terms vs. Obama's one term in the Senate, where Obama did a whole lot more work? Where is her lack of state legislative experience vs. Obama? Above all, where is the outcry on her trying to have it both ways and shifting positions when expedient?

Posted by: Gary W | March 24, 2008 3:11 AM

Who will be Barry Obama's choice for Sec. of State? Louis Farrakhan? For Attorney General? Jeremiah Wright?

God save us from Barry Obama! NObama in 08!

No he can't, because we won't let him!

Posted by: Spider Mike | March 24, 2008 3:16 AM

Understand it or not, Barack Obama is a great and true patriot.
He denounces and opposes Iraq war to keep America safer. Instead of sending our sons dying in a 'pre-emptive' war, allowing djihad-holy al-qaeda-warriors and other fanatics alike to get their best recruiting years, and neighboring countries, like Syria and Iran take advantage of the mess to plant seeds and trojan horses.
He denounces the so-called patriotic America and its miscalculations with Musharaf's Pakistan that harbors Al-qaeda and alienates the people of Pakistan adding new volonteers to the radical's causes.
It would have saved Trillions of dollars, and we wouldn't have a 21st century USA, with bridges crumbling, with hundreds of thousands left to die when a hurricanne hits its shores, an America that gets poorer by all means by the day if only he would have been in charge then.
I stand with Obama the patriot, the only one that has shown judgement that was proved right, again and again.The leader of the people, an intelligent man that will work on behalf of the people, motivated to work and find solutions to the biggest threat to our Children and grandchildren, global warming.
I use to like Hillary Clinton, but i am very dissapointed by her personnality, that i now confess, thought i knew.However, she'll be my second choice anyway, as i would rather have a 4 years status-quo (she's too polarizing to unite and reach across the aisle), than an almost senile Mc Cain, that i unfortunalty forsee being manipulated in behind-the-back games by Cheney,Bush and their friends (really scary thought by the way,cause they would'nt even bare official responsabilities).
If you're a true patriot, join Barack Obama's America, not the one that shows the world which way to go, but the one the world will follow the steps.

Posted by: ES NYC | March 24, 2008 3:20 AM

I agree with djo.
I rather see old hero and his wife on TV every night than OB and his ARROGANT wife.

The best is to see Hillay as our president, and the world will respect America again!

Posted by: loveamerica | March 24, 2008 3:22 AM

democrats must ask themselves when they go and vote. do you want 4 more years of white water monica l.and all of that other garbage. if you vote for her thats what your gonna get. we will relive that whole bunch of cr***p. i think she and he should ride off in the sunset and enjoy what time they have left in retirement.
Posted by: george t
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What democrats will ask themselves is

1. Do we want Rev. Wright running around the white house.

2. Do we want a President that supports and defends people who promote racism, hatred and anti-american views.

3. Do we want a President who supports and defends people that believe the people that died during 911 deserved it because of how the black community was treated in the past.

4. Do we want a President that believes white americans are "typical white people"

5. Do we want a President that lies all the time

6. Do we want a President that tried to help the Nuclear companies by re-writing legislation so that nuclear companies would no longer be required to report nuclear leaks.

7. Do we want a President that sided with the credit card companies and signed a bill that increased credit card rates to over 30%

8. Do we want a President that lied to us during National debates and implied that he only knew Rezko for 5-6 hours because of work he had done...when we now know they have been friends for over 16 years..purchased property together and have done favors for each other.

9. Do we want a President that is "friendly" with American Terrorist Ayers

10. Do we want a President that pledges allegiance to all Black Leaders above anyone else.

The answers are NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO...NO

He is too big of risk and he has proven to be untrustworthy.

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Americans will VOTE NO for Obama
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Obama is NOT the President we need!!

Posted by: ann | March 24, 2008 3:33 AM

Obama gave a beautiful speech on race - no solutions - then turns around and plays another race card... The Richardson Endorsement, accept Richardson wants to be VP, and Obama is not loyal... so good luck Richardson, Obama will throw you under the bus, just like Rev Wright and his grandmother.

Obama is making Wrightgate about Rev. Wright but it's really about Obama: Why did he join a Segregated Church (contacts? To meet influential Black members like Oprah? To establish his Black political base?); Why did Obama at first lie and say he was not aware of Wright's racism, and cried that tune until his speechwriter's had time to respond; Obama is not loyal to people and maybe not loyal to the USA or Democrats; Why didn't he finish his term in the Senate and prove he is someone who works for change rather than try and be the presidential candidate with the least experience than anyone in modern times; can Obama respond to a crisis with good judgment and honesty or is he all about speechmaking. Those are the real issues. Wright is just a symptom of Obama's problem with credibility.

Is Obama Playing a Sly Race Card with Richardson Endorsement? Problem is Obama is not Loyal... Obama will throw Richardson under the Bus, as he did Rev. Wright before him, when Obama no longer needs Richardson.

Richardson thinks he will be Obama's VP, and Obama has shown no loyalty to anyone, so what chance does Richardson really have if, God Forbid the master of double-talk Obama is elected.

Obama has shown no loyalty to Wright (when he encouraged Rev. Wright to resign from the church, for Obama's sake, and dropped from his campaign), His grandmother, Democrats, the USA. Obama's Problem is not Wright, that's a smoke screen, and scapegoat. Obama's problem is lack of truth under pressure, no loyalty, unable to respond quickly to a crisis, all speech no action, and lack of experience and credibility.

I hope Hillary wins -- despite that Obama managed to keep FL and MI voters from being heard and caused them to be denied a voice in this election -- and Obama will ultimately do his term in the Senate and prove he is someone who would work hard for change. My problem with Obama has noting to do with race it's his seeming loyalty, and poor judgement (despite his claims he has good judgment) and that he is the least experience candidate to run for president in recent history. I'm a peace activist, so despite his rhetoric to the contary, I look at his voting record, and he's a hawk. So to me he is not New, Different, Better or Best, he's another politician trying to undermine truth. He's just really good at it and very gifted as a speaker, but Hillary seems like a much better leader if we want change we can believe in.

What would be so bad about Obama returning to the senate for more experience and to prove himself... he is the least experienced candidate to run for President in modern times and despite his ruthless press agent Axelrod, Hillary is much more prepared to be President than Obama.
Posted by: Steve

You make some good points Steve.

Posted by: jerome | March 24, 2008 3:36 AM

Hilary or Obama , Hilary or obama Easy obama We've already seen what the clintons can do in office NOTHING .
Do we really want another 4 years of Nothing Think people Hilary is a puppet.
Who's getting her all her states?
her husband he's campaigning like he's running for office
Mccain looks like Death we dont need a senior citizen who's life looks like it's on the ropes deciding the future for our country.
Who's running just to show woman can be successful and had their path placed in her lap ? "I know I know" Hilary . Bush , Clinton then Bush then Mccain That would be over 20 years of no progress why add 4 more Elect obama atleast just for a shot at Change.

Posted by: Change` | March 24, 2008 4:13 AM

Hilary or Obama , Hilary or obama Easy obama We've already seen what the clintons can do in office NOTHING .
Do we really want another 4 years of Nothing Think people Hilary is a puppet.
Who's getting her all her states?
her husband he's campaigning like he's running for office
Mccain looks like Death we dont need a senior citizen who's life looks like it's on the ropes deciding the future for our country.
Who's running just to show woman can be successful and had their path placed in her lap ? "I know I know" Hilary . Bush , Clinton then Bush then Mccain That would be over 20 years of no progress why add 4 more Elect obama atleast just for a shot at Change.

Posted by: Change` | March 24, 2008 4:13 AM

I am a chinese,I just wanna know why Hilary Clinton promised with other candidates not to run in Florida and Michegen according to the party's rule ,but she 's still on the ballet of the 2 states ?and i wonder why she raised the issues after the 11 streak failures when things go agaist her?
America is a country Ruled by laws and rules,right?After this episode,i got doubtful.
nasty,nasty......
by the way,i got very good impression when Bill was in the white house.but this time i am doubtful on whether i should still hold on that .

Posted by: jeff Xiao | March 24, 2008 4:20 AM

based on the intel, Hillary`s vote was to essentially allow Bush to handle the situation in what ever way he saw best...if, and only if, more peaceful solutions were attempted 1st!

there`s a HUGE difference between that and directly voting for war!...and if the Sen. had voted otherwise...would`ve sent a message to terrorists to keep attacking the US!

otoh, all Obama did was give a speech against the war...which essentially means nothing...my 12 yr. old also gave a speech against the war...nobody thinks that this proves he has the judgement necessary to run the most powerful country on earth!

further, in the Tex. debate, there was the ignorance Obama showed to the world when he told that story about the platoon, etc...displaying a lack of knowledge about how the military is structured, etc...

next, in the Cleve. debate, he stated that he`d take action...if intel indicated that Al-Quaeda was building a base there...what?...wait a min!...this from a guy who stated he was against the war from the start?!...

when the war started, the US had intel which indicated that Al-Quaeda, etc., had bases in Iraq...the very same condition in which Obama states he`d take action over there...just like Bush did!!!

which means Obama was either lying in the debate or when he says he was against the war from the start.

Hillary was also correct in pointing out that Obama wasn`t in the Sen. at the start to vote on the war...and he`s going to say what ever makes him look good...so, of course he`s going to say that he was against the war from the start...makes him look smarter than everyone else...especially to his followers...

and speeches, etc., aren`t the same...there`s a HUGE difference between giving speeches, etc., and voting with a constituency to answer to, nearly all of who were for the war at the time...

in fact, on and just after 9/11, very nearly every American was for going to war or dropping a bomb on those responsible for what took place...especially NYer`s...

quite simply, Today`s world is too dangerous for a Pres. to be learning on the job...and openly negotiating without pre-conditions...with our enemies/terrorists...many of who HOPE every American drops dead this very moment...and would CHANGE the United States to something other than democracy...to think otherwise, like Obama, is extremely naive.

so, i can see it now...terrorists in the streets with signs which say,

"OBAMA 08!...CHANGE EVEN WE CAN BELIEVE IN!!!"

Posted by: justme819 | March 24, 2008 4:52 AM

Sorry Bill, but the Ragin Cajun is awesome...and has a legitimate point.

Posted by: thinktank | March 24, 2008 4:59 AM

our vets/military know who they want answering that phone at 3:00 AM...Most, endorsing a dem., are endorsing Clinton.

Sen. Clinton now has the endorsement of over 2000 vets/military personel...now, Gen. Henry Shelton can be added to that long list.

One of our nation's top military figures, General Shelton served two terms as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Presidents Clinton and George W. Bush.

In announcing his endorsement, General Shelton said, "I've been with Senator Clinton when she has been with our military men and women. I know from those experiences that she understands the demands and sacrifice of military life. I am confident she will always put the readiness and well being of our troops first. She is ready to be Commander-in-Chief."

General Shelton joins General John Shalikashvili as the second former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to have endorsed Senator Clinton. General Shelton is the fourth flag officer to endorse Senator Clinton this week.


TESTIMONIALS: Former Admirals, Generals and Senior Defense Officials on Why They Support Hillary Clinton to be the Next Commander-in-Chief

In a conference call with reporters, former Admirals, Generals, and senior defense officials gave their reasons for supporting Senator Clinton to be our next Commander-in-Chief.

Their testimonials highlight Senator Clinton's qualifications, experience, and strength of character.

Transcripts
General Wesley Clark

"She has done her homework on national security and I know from my personal discussions with her and with many other friends that go in and brief her in her role in the Senate Armed Services Committee. She knows the facts, she knows the details, plus she has the big picture. She is a strategic thinker but she has the building blocks of the strategy in her personal knowledge. This is someone that when she is president our military is going to respect very highly, and when our Senior Officers brief her and meet with her they are going be very, very impressed by what she knows and the intelligence that she brings to these problems."

Brigadier General John Watkins, Jr.

"As I think about the challenges facing the nation and having been in uniform for almost thirty years, worked with a number of presidents to include the last four, I can't think of a single person - those generals included - who is better qualified to walk into the Oval Office than Hillary Clinton. I don't make that statement very lightly. She is more qualified, in my view, than her husband Bill was when he entered the office. It is no surprise to me that you would have as many flag officers who serve this country and Secretaries of the Army and Navy who have served this country who would come out and support Hillary."

Major General Paul Eaton

"On a personal note, I have a Special Forces Captain son and a Sergeant Paratrooper both in Afghanistan and I find Senator Clinton the perfect choice to be their Commander-in-Chief and to display the loyalty to command our armed forces and to rebuild them after the conflicts in which we are engaged right now."

Lieutenant General Claudia Kennedy

"I support her because I trust her. I trust Hillary Clinton because of her judgment and her leadership. I have confidence that she is responsive to the needs of people. I believe that she understands leadership the way we do in the Army and that is that it's about building connections and relationships and establishing guidance and leadership for others.

I think she'll rebuild relationships with other countries that have been suffering for the last seven or eight years; those relationships have really been strained beyond anything I would have anticipated. Another part of Hillary Clinton that I think is just tremendous is that she knows our reality. She is in touch with people, she listens to people. She decides what she believes about policy based on what's right, she has integrity, and on what works, so she's practical."

Lieutenant General Frederick Vollrath

"I support Senator Clinton because I believe it's time for change in our country, a new direction. And I know change carries with it risks. Senator Clinton is the candidate, in my opinion, with the proven experience that truly understands the risks and how to possibly cope with those risks to get the job done. We shouldn't shirk from change because of the risks, but we absolutely have to have a leader with the proven experience. America, in the area of national defense, must be successful and Senator Clinton has that experience to create change, to understand the risk, and to get the job done."

Admiral William Owens

"In this world that we face today, very complex as all of us know, I think experience will be really at a premium, especially at the level of the Commander-in-Chief. There's not time to learn. The phone rings and you have to be ready. You have to ready with intuition, with experience and with skills. And this world will have the complexities that perhaps we've never before seen. I've been impressed with and admire Hillary Clinton for her work in the Senate. And we need people with great judgment. I think she brings the best of talent, intuition and experience to handle these unknown threats in the future."

and a list of the most recent vets/military personel to endorse her...Hlllary`s also gotten the endorsement of two distinguished, retired admirals, Vice Admiral Donald C. Arthur and Rear Admiral Stuart F. Platt. They join an eminent group of 30 retired admirals and generals who have endorsed Senator Clinton to be our nation's next Commander-in-Chief...

and the list continues to grow:

General Wesley Clark
General John M. Shalikashvili
General Henry Hugh Shelton
General Johnnie E. Wilson
Admiral William Owens
Lt. Gen. Joe Ballard
Lt. Gen. Robert Gard
Lt. Gen. Claudia J. Kennedy
Lt. Gen. Donald L. Kerrick
Lt. Gen. Frederick E. Vollrath
Vice Admiral Donald C. Arthur
Vice Admiral Joseph A. Sestak
Major General Roger R. Blunt
Major General George A. Buskirk, Jr.
Major General Edward L. Correa, Jr.
Major General Paul D. Eaton
Major General Paul D. Monroe, Jr.
Major General Antonio M. Taguba
Rear Admiral Connie Mariano
Rear Admiral Stuart F. Platt
Rear Admiral Alan M. Steinman
Rear Admiral David Stone
Brigadier General Michael Dunn
Brigadier General Belisario Flores
Brigadier General Evelyn "Pat" Foote
Brigadier General Keith H. Kerr
Brigadier General Virgil A. Richard
Brigadier General Preston Taylor
Brigadier General John M. Watkins, Jr.
Brigadier General Jack Yeager

Posted by: justme819 | March 24, 2008 5:02 AM

Obama maybe could be another John Kennedy,But Hillary can't be another Clinton,that's for sure .We are expecting another great president of the USA coming.How i like Obama's speeches,as well as Kennedy's ,ONLY those great men can make such great speeches.
Additionally,the group" Bush ,clinton,Bush,Clinton?And Jeb Bush??" turns The US into another Feudal society.It is severely damaging a so called democratic country.
A reader from china.

Posted by: J shawn | March 24, 2008 5:08 AM

March 18, 2008-Obama stated:

"I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely..."

"I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community."

March 14th-Obama stated this:

"uh, none of these statements are ones that I had heard myself personally in the pews. uh, o-one of them I had heard about after I had started running for President & I put out a statement at that time condemning them."

March !8:
Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes.

March 14:
uh, the other statements were ones that uh I just heard about while we were uh wh-when they started being run on fox and some of the other stations.

March 18:
Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes.

March 14:
uh, and so they weren't things that I was familiar with. Once I saw them I had to be very clear about the fact that these are not statements that I am comfortable with. I reject them completely.

March 18:
Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes.

March 14:
Had I been sitting in the church at the time they were spoken, uh, I would have be-been absolutely clear to Rev. Wright that I didn't find those acceptable uh... and if I had thought that was the tenor or tone on an ongoing basis uh of his sermons then uh yes I don't think that it would've been reflective of my values or uh of my faith experience.

March 18:
Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes.

March 14:
There-there-there, no no no, uh, wai-wait there I-I-I didn't know about all these statements. I knew about 1 or 2 statements that ha-had been made. And as a consequence, as I said, if it was just 1 or 2 statements then that's not something that would lead me to distance myself from either my church or my pastor.

March 18:
Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes.

"I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community."

then it can still validly, etc., be stated that one does not have a a mentor/spiritual advisor for over 20 yrs. without sharing the same views!...Obama`s refusal to 'disown' his Pastor strongly suggests that`s the case here!

but perhaps the larger issue here is that while Obama`s preaching togetherness, he goes to a church who`s Pastors preach racial, anti-American garbage...and who preach a separatist, 'Black Only Value System'', which is as divisive as can be...even Obama`s mentor, etc., the Rev. Wright, stated that it`s a separate but = black theology!

and what`s this use of the word 'disown'...doesn`t Obama know that`s RACIST...but against black people...

and why did Obama compare his white Grandmother to the Rev. Wright?!...i guess he`ll say/do anything to get elected!

yes...we all have friends, etc., who say things that we strongly disagree with...but there`s a HUGE difference here...none of my friends, etc., etc., are or ever have been my mentor and spiritual advisor for OVER 20 YEARS!!!

just another TYPICAL, dirty, lying, scheming, and hypocritical politician...i have one more word for Mr. Obama - BUSTED!!!

Posted by: justme819 | March 24, 2008 5:11 AM

to those who point out things which Hillary has done this campaign, i say WAKE UP!!!

this is politics...it`s the way the game`s played...and every politician, most certainly including Obama would`ve done just about everything the mostly the same way Clinton did...if in the same positions she found herself in during this campaign!

other than that, Richardson`s endorsement just about insures that the Super-Delegates will be voting for who they think matches up better against McCain!

so take that, you traitor, Richardson...if you endorsed Hillary than Super-Delegates would`ve probably moved much closer toward voting the will of the people...because of your endorsement for BO, you may`ve blown the race for him and ended your own career...way to go, Bill...you deserve each other!

it should also be noted, however, that the Clinton people can also say that this election was stolen from them if the final pledged delegate count is still close enough!...the reason is that both Flor. and Mich. are being disenfranchised...and Clinton won both these states...and would probably win the do-overs...

but this is the very thing the Super-Delegates were created for...to settle an election too close to call, theoretically, after everyone VOTES, quite possibly because 1 candidate got cheated somehow...in this case, Clinton!

however, letting Dems. from only Mich. and Flor. vote in a different state is a way to have their votes counted...just in a different state...


Posted by: justme819 | March 24, 2008 5:38 AM

To asja

One more comment please.

Remember, on Health Care coverage, Hillary Clinton's plan will cover everyone. The Obama plan won't. About 15 million people would be left without coverage on an Obama plan. See more on the website of:www.HillaryClinton.com, and go to a section called "Fact Hub" under the Heading called Newsroom Section. It's all in there.

Also go to the Issues section. Some great specifics in there....no pie in the sky nonsense.

Thank you for your input and comments. And have a nice day.

Common Sense 12

From earlier:
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Note to asja.....

Thank you for your calm reasoned comment here. It's refreshing to see someone here who can put forth reasoned arguments, and avoid the shouting and name calling.

On Bill Richardson, assuming Hillary Clinton gets the nomination which I think she can and will (I'm doing some volunteer work with the campaign); I'm sure Bill Richardson will not be invited to campaign. There will be plenty of top people who can help such as people in my state (PA): such as Governor Ed Rendell, Congressman Jack Murtha, etc.

Thank you.

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _


"Hey Common Sense12:
I appreciate your comment. Hillary is my second choice, and I will support her in the election if Obama loses the nomination. These forums are full of so many posts that don't advance reasoned arguments that it feels like warfare.

In truth, Hillary would have celebrated Richardson's endorsement as a big event if she had won it. If she wins the nomination and her advisors have trashed him, how is he going to feel campaigning for her. This is what I find really troubling about the people advising Senator Clinton at this point.

The nomination really was hers to lose, and the way it looks, she may not have been experienced and organized in fighting for elected office (individually) as Obama was. She relied too much on a network that showed crucial cracks at critical times".

Posted by: asja | March 23, 2008 09:17 PM

Posted by: Common Sense12 | March 23, 2008 09:49 PM

Posted by: Common Sense12 | March 24, 2008 6:03 AM

Somebody has to make it possible for Voters from Florida and Michigan to make their voice be heard. HELP PLEASE! The time is running out! To deny anybody to use his/her most fundemental Constitutional right is simply not possible. USA is neither a third world country nor a dictatorship.

Posted by: George | March 24, 2008 6:15 AM

TAKE ACTION FOR FREEDOM & FAIRNESS TODAY!!!

WRITE TO THE DNCC DEMAND FL & MI BE ALLOWED TO VOTE!

Protest to the DNCC if you believe in Liberty and Justice for ALL!!!
Tell the Howard Dean and the DNCC if all the people, in all of the United States are not given a change to vote in this election WE ARE NOT UNITED, and no one win can Unite US. FL and MI are not naughty School children!!!

Even if you are an Obama supporter, if you want LIBERTY and JUSTICE FOR ALL FL and MI voters deserve a voice... otherwise if Obama wins this will be worse than Gore in 2000, and if McCain then wins, Democrats will never know what would have happened in both 2000 and 2008 if FL had not been stripped of a fair opportunity to exercise their God Given rights as Americans to vote and have their votes counted.

Write the Democratic National Committee http://www.democrats.org and demand that the people of FL and MI be allowed a revote... that cares who a pick up the tab, anything less is a travesty of justice!!!

Posted by: Steve | March 24, 2008 6:27 AM

Ed Rendell claims that if the Democrats had a winner-take-all system, Hillary would be winning. Well Ed, that is total Nonsense;if the rules had been different, the Obama campaign would have used a different strategy. Guess what else? There are Independents in PA who support Obama but will not be re-registering as Democrats to vote for him. Winning the Primary in PA is NOT a reliable indicator of who would win in November. This is just more hypothetical nonsense put out there to confuse people.

Posted by: Phil in NJ | March 24, 2008 6:57 AM

Clinton for President!

Boycott the Beijing Games

Posted by: Foxmerv | March 24, 2008 6:59 AM

People need to wake up and smell the coffee. The clinton's are part of the problem, not the solution. It's time for new leadership, smarter and more honest leadership. For the past 20 years, this country has been disenfranchised by the Bush's and the Clinton's.

The people of Florida and Michigan were not disenfranchised, they were fooled by their wn state legislature, whom they should rightfully blame. Let them take out their anger during their next state elections.

As for Gov. Rendell, he must really owe Bill and Hillary a lot. It's like they own him. The good people of Pa. would be wise to vote him out of office ASAP.

Wake up America. The only way we are going to have a better future for our children is to change the way business is done is DC. The Clinton's don't represent that change. OBAMA 08!!

Posted by: charles t | March 24, 2008 7:06 AM

George at 6:15 AM:

Why in heaven's name are you be so hysterical?

NO ONE IS GUARANTEED A VOTE IN A PRIMARY ELECTION and I defy you to find that right in the US Constitution.

[If anyone's "constitutional rights" were being violate there are thousands of lawyers ready to rise up and take their case to SCOTUS. Since that isn't happening, you might consider the fact that you are WRONG.]

George, if you had a proper PolySci background, you wouldn't even be tempted to make the claim because you would UNDERSTAND how the system works.

In fact, the DNC and the RNC ARE PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS!!!

Our political parties are FREE (guaranteed by the Constitution) to make their own rules. The DNC [private] TOLD the LEGISLATURES of MI and FL that they WOULD NOT RECOGNIZE the Democrat DELEGATIONS at the upcoming DNC convention if the legislatures moved the primaries to a time earlier than Feb 5th. The legislatures decided to "gamble" and challenged the DNC; (for their own gain, ugh!)

If the DNC backs down, what is their word worth? They threatened a very specific penalty and they are sticking to their word. [I am in shock that I would ever agree with the DNC on anything, however, they are correct in this instance; if you cannot enforce your own rules, how strong is your organization.]

DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT WOULD DO TO OUR CONSTITUTION IF YOUR DESIRES PREVAILED AND THE GOVERNMENT WAS ALLOWED TO INFLICT ITS WISHES INTO THE POLITICAL PARTIES???????

If you are so "caring" about the Constitution, and constitutional rights, the notion of the government getting into the business of the DNC and RNC and "telling them what to do" should make your blood run cold!!!!!!!!!

That is what makes our system so great! We are allowed to caucus (like an old fashioned town meeting) where we are allowed to propose anyone we want to run for the presidency of the US!!!

What you are promoting is a "star chamber" where some hallowed body is allowed to place names on a ballot (in private) and then "the sheeple" are stuck voting for whomever the "powers that be" (under cover of darkness) place on "the" list.

No, thanks! I prefer the freedom I have with the private/public system. It is the envy of the world voting system UNTIL SOME JACK-BUTTED FOLKS (like Al Gore and Jimmy Carter; and now you) START TO MESS IT UP BY TINKERING AND DEMANDING ALL SORTS OF RIGHTS THAT DON'T EXIST UNDER THE US CONSTITUTION, OR IN OUR FREE SOCIETY!!!

Posted by: axioma | March 24, 2008 7:11 AM

obama spends to much time making great speeches and if he gets in there all we will hear about for the next 4 yrs is race-he has nothing to say except my programs and clintons are about the same-clinton will put more bread on my table and i am sure of that-my vote is for clinton and if you have any brains yours will be too-mcclain will beat obama in a general election like a rented mule

Posted by: john romansic | March 24, 2008 7:16 AM

Steve:

Thanks for the tip.

I am writing to the DNC and thanking them for being strong and standing up to their word by refusing to seat the FL AND MI DELEGATES.

If a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION (like the DNC) can't control their own rules, they lose their credibility.

FL and MI had a chance to VOTE THE SAME DAY AS EVERYONE ELSE!!!

The fact that they CHEATED has nothing to do with liberty or justice! The mere notion is ludicrous!

People have to learn that it matters who you vote for. All of those (arrogant) legislators in FL and MI who defied the DNC and moved up their election date, WERE ELECTED BY THE SAME FOLKS WHO NOW WON'T HAVE THEIR VOTES COUNTED. Well, they should have thought about the CHARACTER of the pols they elected. [No doubt, they voted for the Dems who PROMISED THEM THE MOST DOLE MONEY!!!] Well, the folks who only understand $$$, only understand $$$. If the FL and MI voters HAD VOTED FOR POLITICIANS OF CHARACTER IN THE FIRST PLACE, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE MOVED THE DATES UP TO CHEAT FOR ADVANTAGE.

Posted by: axioma | March 24, 2008 7:27 AM

It annoys be behind belief when people try to make the argument that Obama and his campaign are being hypocritical when they say that the super delegates should follower the voters lead. What they mean by that is overall the super delegates should not overturn the will of the people. If all of Clintons super delegates that our from places Obama won were supporting him instead of Hillary then he could let Richardson, Kennedy, and Kerry all vote for Hillary because he'd have more super delegates. But since Hillary has had a large lead in super delegates before a single state was won you cannot expect Obama to look at the argument as valid. She set the precedent, he just got some supporters himself now. Bottom line if super delegates (party insiders) overrule the will of the public, who in their right mind can say that isn't horrible for the democratic party

Posted by: kyleh | March 24, 2008 7:41 AM

Dear axioma 07:11 AM

"U.S. Constitution:
Fourteenth Amendment - Rights Guaranteed Privileges and Immunities of Citizenship, Due Process and Equal Protection

Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. NO STATE SHALL MAKE OR ENFORCE ANY LAW WHICH SHALL ABRIDGE THE PRIVILIGIES OR IMMUNITIES OF CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Dear "axioma", whatever you say - no ORGANIZATION can deprive any person his/her most elementary and essential private right to take part in every step of the voting procedure. Florida and Michigan were neither allowed to caucus (like an old fashioned town meeting) nor vote in a primary!

Florida and Michigan citizens ought to present their protests collectively!

Posted by: George | March 24, 2008 8:02 AM

BILL RICHARDSON SELLS OUT LATINOS AND JOINS THE RACIAL DIVIDE!
OBAMA LOOSES JOBS FOR MINORITIES
Ms. Obama, VP Chicago Hosp, that charges minorities 6 times as much, isn't cold hearted enough; she also caused hundreds to loose their 11.hr jobs, to be more efficient she said! In 05, elected to the BOD Westchester-based TreeHouse Foods, she received $12,000 and $33,000 from a subsidiaries, in Nov announced closing its La Junta, plant, that claimed the jobs of 153 workers, most of them Hispanic! Huge blow to a rural town jobs paid a starting wage of $11hr, Company pays top execs like MICHELLE OBAMA tens of millions a year while destroying middle-class America. Raises the question not only about corporate values but about Barrack Obama's own values. Specifically, while he bashes Wal-Mart, why does his wife, make $45,000 and up a year serving on the board of Chicago comp that pays her a very hefty amount of money while laying off mostly minority workers in economically deprived areas? No. 1 customer is Wal-Mart???
Obamas attack on middle class and minorities- The Crowns and employees of their family-run holding company have given at least $195,000 to Obama's presidential campaign. Maytag shut the Galesburg plant after Labor Day 2004 Union member say senator did little to save jobs in the blue-collar town of 37,000. Obama connection to Maytag: Lester Crown, company's director's records show, has raised tens of thousands of dollars for Obama's campaigns. Maytag shut the Galesburg plant after Labor Day 2004.


Posted by: shut up Bill | March 24, 2008 8:08 AM

Jeff Xiao:
YOU SAID:
"I am a chinese,I just wanna know why Hilary Clinton promised with other candidates not to run in Florida and Michegen according to the party's rule ,but she 's still on the ballet of the 2 states ?and i wonder why she raised the issues after the 11 streak failures when things go agaist her?
America is a country Ruled by laws and rules,right?After this episode,i got doubtful.
nasty,nasty......
by the way,i got very good impression when Bill was in the white house.but this time i am doubtful on whether i should still hold on that ."


Jeff Xiao:

(1) Have you completed a Political Science degree in a western university?

I have studied with Chinese students and they do not understand our system; they try but they do not understand, so they are making errors in judgment, because they don't understand our system, in depth.

(2) You do not understand the complexities of our election laws (there are 50 states and they are all different and you would have to study all 50, plus the possessions). It would behoove you to learn the rules before commenting on them. However, the situation in FLORIDA and MICHIGAN have nothing to do with the government. It was a ruling by the DNC and the DNC is PRIVATE!!!

(3) There is NOTHING "nasty, nasty" about America. I hope you can get that through your head.

[Perhaps you could comment on the illustriousness of the Chinese elections.]

(4) No, America is not ruled by "laws and rules."

[You see, you truly do not understand; you only think that you understand.]

[It is almost impossible for residents of a communist country to understand western governments. Only the highest educated and the highest in native intelligence and the highest in imagination and empathy can understand.]

[If you had a thorough understanding of our three SEPARATE branches of government, you would be better able to understand.]

America is known as a "nation of laws."

Our government is ordained by a written Constitution, and our common law is codified through a system of state statutes and municipal codes; our elected leaders are not free to make changes except through the legislature; and the legislature is not a "rubber stamp."

We are "ruled" by a conditioned sense of right and wrong, as taught to us by our loving parents, and enforced by our classmates and teachers, grandparents and ministers/rabbis, and then by our expanded society, and guided by which is in our hearts.

We are governed by a codified, constitutional, democracy; representative in nature with a workable degree of socialism. Our society strives to be just and fair; failing on occasion, but always striving to balance individual liberty with the conflict of society.

You probably don't understand a word of what I wrote.

You probably have not read legitimate American history from unbiased sources.

The truth would surprise you, which is why most folks reject truth as a concept.

I tried.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 24, 2008 8:13 AM

svreader: Are you doing research on Huma Abedin? America awaits your research. Help us know the truth.

Posted by: Huma Huma | March 24, 2008 8:57 AM

Dear "kyleh" 07:41, if superdelegates overrule the will of the public, it would be "horrible for the democratic party". However Florida and Michigan voters are still denied to vote. Thus nobody knows anything about the will of the public. If there are not going to be any re-votes in those two big states then the superdelegates of course need to pay attention to this very important fact. In other case party insiders for sure would overrule the will of the public - whatever you say "kyleh".

Posted by: George | March 24, 2008 8:58 AM

HOW'S THIS FOR PATRIOTISM? Laurie Roth Exclusive: Obama Connection to Terrorists Revealed by Talk Show Host
Jim Kouri
March 22, 2008


There is a far-reaching scandal brewing for presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama, thanks to a radio talk show host based in Oregon. Syndicated talk host Laurie Roth's revelations make the news story about Obama's relationship with a racist, anti-American pastor look like child's play.

A top official at the Pentagon during former-President George H. W. Bush's Administration and a former CIA intelligence officer maintain that Barack Obama and former Weather Underground honcho William Ayers funneled money to Professor Rashid Khalidi, a known terrorist sympathizer.

Khalidi serves on the faculty of Columbia University in New York and is best known as the professor who invited Iranian President Ahmedinejad to visit Columbia University after he finished his speech at the United Nations. According to confidential sources, Khalidi has direct ties to the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO), a group on the US State Department's list of known terrorist groups.

"One source for this information was once a top military figure in the 1990s. He doesn't take making allegations lightly. If he says something happened, believe me, it happened," said syndicated radio talk show host Laurie Roth http://www.therothshow.com/ />

"Another source is a former agent for the Central Intelligence Agency, who is an expert in counterterrorism," said Roth, who broke the story on her show Friday night.

"I certainly don't want to demonize someone because they are a woman, black or liberal running for President. I love the idea that in our culture, a black and woman can now run. However, it does matter to me with any candidate, their consistency with good judgment, their voting record, their association with people with questionable backgrounds and commitment to our country," she said during her show.

Here are the connections as described by very reliable sources, who possess impressive military, national security and intelligence backgrounds:

Allison Davis, who hired the young Obama into his small, Chicago law firm Davis, Miner, and Barnhill in 1993, left the firm in late 1999-2000 and became a housing developer. Davis went into business with Tony Rezko, the indicted businessman who's scheduled to go on trial for corruption in Illinois, and who was a major fundraiser for Obama.

Davis met Rezko when he was a client of Davis, Miner, and Barnhill. Rezko is currently under indictment in Illinois for demanding kickbacks from companies seeking state government business contracts under Governor Blagojevich. Obama was identified as one of the politicians cited in the indictment as having received political contributions from Rezko out of his kickback funds.

Tony Rezko hosted fundraising events for Obama in his home and was on Obama's US Senate campaign finance committee which collected $14 million for his campaign against conservative Alan Keyes, an African-American who served as an Ambassador during the Reagan Administration. In order to avoid a scandal during his presidential campaign, Obama returned $85,000 that Rezko and his family had donated to him.

In early 2000, while Obama served as a state senator in Illinois, he also sat on the board of the nonprofit Woods Fund. The Woods Fund is a Chicago-based foundation that claims its primary mission is to make financial grants in order to increase and/or create opportunities for disadvantaged people and low-income communities.

The chairman of the Woods fund board in 2000 was Howard Stanback, who like Obama also had connections to Davis, according to the reliable sources.

Davis submitted a grant request to the Woods Foundation for a $1 million investment in his development partnership, Neighborhood Rejuvenation LP, that would be used to finance low-income senior-citizen housing. Under normal circumstances, a board member is supposed to recuse himself or herself from decisions where they have a business or personal relationship.

Obama, who did not recuse himself, voted to approve Davis' grant request. Stanback, on the other hand, abstained from voting. The housing project, which also received a $5.7 million loan from the city of Chicago, in turn donated almost $70,000 in political contributions to Obama's presidential campaign.

In the past, Rezko gave Obama -- who served as an Illinois State Senator -- his first two political contributions in 1995, $1,000 each from two of his companies. In 1998, State Senator Obama wrote letters to city and state officials urging them to fund a Davis-Rezko housing project. It was an obvious quid pro quo arrangement.

Another major fundraiser for Obama is William Ayers, who also sat on the board of the Woods Fund with Obama and is a professor at the University of Chicago.

Bill Ayers, along with his wife Bernadine Dohrn, was an active member of the Weather Underground, a radical left-wing group that advocated violence against the United State. Both Ayers and Dohrn went "underground" in 1970 after others in the group accidentally detonated a bomb in a Greenwich Village (New York City) townhouse. The blast killed three of the group's members including Ayers' girlfriend at the time.

While Ayers and Dohrn were hiding from law enforcement, the Weather Underground participated in the bombings of the US Capital, the Pentagon and a State Department building. In 1981 Ayers and Dohrn turned themselves in to federal authorities, but all charges were dropped as a result of alleged "government legal misconduct." In his 2001 memoir, Ayers wrote, "I don't regret setting the bombs. I feel we didn't do enough."

Ayers and Dohrn are known to have held at least one fundraiser for Barack Obama in their Chicago home.

During Obama's last year on the board of The Woods Fund (2002), he participated in awarding grants, including a $70,000 grant to the Arab American Action Network, a Chicago-based group founded by Rashid and Mona Khalidi.

In another suspected quid pro quo arrangement similar to those with Ayers and Rezko, Rashid Khalidi also held a fundraising event in his home for Barack Obama.

In the Middle East, Rashid Khalidi was known as a man to be reckoned with. From 1972 through 1983, Khalidi was the director in Beirut of the official Palestinian press agency, FAFA. His wife worked there as well.

According to sources, when the Khalidi's left Chicago for Columbia University in New York, Rashid was honored with the Edward Said Chair in Arab Studies at that Ivy League university. Their goodbye party in Chicago included testimonials from Bill Ayers and Barack Obama.

"What other fund raising connections does Obama have? How many times can you look the other way in church and with fund raising situations with more than questionable people?" asked Ms. Roth.

"We all make mistakes in judgment with people and their backgrounds sometimes, but usually we learn and pick better friends and associates. How come Obama seems to have continued hanging around more than questionable characters with anti American backgrounds and some with criminal behaviors? Now one is being indicted, Tony Rezco, who raised a ton of money for Obama," she said.

"As President, how much would he look the other way when dealing with national security and dangers to our country? How much would he listen passively to terrorist leaders then lecture us on our ugly American status? This kind of change is not what our country needs!" added the popular talk show host, whose show is syndicated by USA Radio Network http://www.usaradio.com/roth_show.php />


In a related story, during an interview on Thursday morning (March 20) with Black Panther leader Malik Zulu Shabazz, Fox News Channel viewers learned that Shabazz' group endorsed and supported Senator Barack Obama for President of the United States. Even on Fox -- an organization wrongly accused of being "conservative" -- the interviewers were careful in their questioning of Shabazz, a recognized racist and anti-American radical.

The New Black Panther Party leader proudly announced on Fox News that his organization endorsed and Obama for President.

"While some people may say that Barack Obama has no control over who endorses him, he should have control over what endorsements are posted on his websites," said Laurie Roth, who, besides hosting a popular talk show, is a regular columnist for NewswithViews.com

"The endorsement of the New Black Panther Party was posted on Barack Obama's website. Why was this tolerated unless Barack Obama wanted their endorsement? If he does not want their endorsement, how much control over his staff is he going to have once he's elected President?" asks Mike Baker.

The New Black Panther Party is openly anti-White, anti-Jewish, and anti-America. After Obama's Tuesday damage-control speech, his campaign pulled the Black Panthers' endorsement story off their website.

It's also been reported that Obama's campaign staff was allowed to fly a Che Guevara flag inside his office, according to NewsMax

"Do these revelations demonstrate a pattern of Barack Obama's judgment? If so, then I do not want him dealing with world leaders. I do not want these groups having access to the White House. Do you?" asks the New Jersey-based political strategist.

"It appears the Barack Obama water carriers within the mainstream news media are on the job as usual -- ignoring another story that has the alternative media on the Internet buzzing: Obama's embracement of an endorsement by the radical, racist organization," Baker added.

Posted by: c | March 24, 2008 9:10 AM

As a well informed citizen of the universe, and with great respect for the people of the USA,reading a random sample of comments, I am simply appalled by the vicious personal attacks levelled against decent fellow human beings - be they politicians, leaders or not.Washinton Post invites users to analyze,comment on and even challenge its articles,blogs etc. Most disappointing that there is no proper editing of comments.

Reading an excellent and incisive column by Andrew Sullivan in the UK edition of The Sunday Times (23 March 2008) I derived a sense of sanity, and yes, people like me, will, thankfully examine that half-full bottle of genuine, kind, compassionate, generous, considerate, intelligent and thoughful people.

The world is devoid of honest and brave polticians. Vast electorates are failing to question the ulterior motives of politicians who are so power hungry and who speak empty words and some folks are happy to hear those words. For the first time, in a long time, there is a man who dares speak the truth about race in the USA, and it may very well be applicable to so many racial difficulties right across the world. Senator Obama could very well have taken the easy way out of the situation he finds himself in at this stage of the Democratic primaries. He did not, and my respect and admiration for him knows no bounds. For the benefit of some of the readers of these comments, may I quote Anrew Sullivan's words?

"Few politicians have been dedicated to racial integration as Obama and to tie him to racial separatists because of a few sermons at his church is simply unfair.

It was wide bridge,to be sure,perhaps too wide for the weight now that it is bearing. And may be America is not ready for this bridge, for these contradictions,for this complexity. We will find out soon enough.

So we are suspended between the old racial politics and a new form: between Hillary Clinton who believes in her heart that America is not ready, and may never be ready, for this leap and should therfore adopt a politics that assumes the ineradicability of this racial and cultural gulf and the need to disguise it and play cynical defense - and an Obama who offers the chance to see that sometimes authentic identity requires an element of contradiction, a bridging of the resentful, angry past, and a more complex integrated future.

He may fail and the Clintons may be proven right. But he may also succeed - and what mighty success that would be."

I say, what a brilliant, inspirational success that would be for the world. It may suit some politicians to keep chanting that mantra " America is not ready...". Let us turn this around - Does America or the warring world deserve brave and honest leaders? A vast, able, powerful nation like America - why has it failed to bring out a few more exceptionally brave, honest and good leaders with vision? Surely there are more names than Bush-Clinton -Bush - Clinton?

And finally, a simple observation - watching the Republican nominee, Senator McCain in the company of British Prime Minister, Mr Gordon Brown and Mr David Cameron, Conservative Party Leader - well, with all due respect to him - Senator McCain, has he passed that sell by date? There is a time for everything...America, rise and shine - vote logically for the very best presidential candidate. There is one, and most of you know that.

Posted by: citizen of the universe | March 24, 2008 9:18 AM

Dear unonymous:
though i am chinese ,I totally understand what u said.that is just what we called 'democratic system",there is no need to study in a politic science college indeed.
what i want to know is that whether people in west countries could do sth agaist his or her own promises ?if so ,then i can understand that why Hilary doesn't deserve a score or blame .
Only for the super power -the presidency.that degrades someone's morality,and blinds one's eyes.
running by rules plz,i should respect them all.

Posted by: jeff Xiao | March 24, 2008 9:20 AM

Why is it that whenever the Obama campaign goes after Clinton, it is just criticism.

However, any remark from the Clinton campaign is viewed as "gutter" politics.

They threw up a picture of Wright & Bill Clinton together; Obama calls Hillary Clinton a liar; Bill Clinton is referred to as a Joe McCarthy; Hillary Clinton's character is "questioned".

I am disgusted by the double standard and that the media has given Obama a pass!

How long was the Wash. Post aware of the racist pastor Wright? Since before Iowa and it sat on the story! Shame on the Post!

Posted by: Fred C. Dobbs
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agreed

Posted by: chula | March 24, 2008 9:22 AM

svreader: Are you doing research on Huma Abedin? America awaits your research. Help us know the truth.

Posted by: svloser | March 24, 2008 9:23 AM

Who is Huma Abedin?

Posted by: svloser | March 24, 2008 9:26 AM

osirisravanz :
YOU SAID:
"OBAMA/RICHARDSON
AFRICAN AMERICAN POPULATION 18%
HISPANIC AMERICAN POPULATION 33%
the reality is that the Hispanic voter block will overwhelmingly vote for the chance to have the first Hispanic Vice President.
so what does that mean? It means that OBAMA/RICHARDSON ticket would only need 10% of the white vote to have a blowout in November, Richardson knows that."

OSIRISRAVANZ:

It is CLEAR why you are a Democrat.

The US population is (approximately, but in the ballpark)

12 .7 % black and around 14.5 % Hispanic.
That means the COMBINED average is around 27 %.

MORE THAN ONE-THIRD OF THE BLACKS ARE NOT VOTING AGE

MORE THAN HALF OF THE HISPANICS ARE NOT VOTING AGE

Minus those in prison.
Minus those who are aliens.
Minus those not registered.
Minus those who refuse to vote.

Blacks able to vote are less than 8 % of our population.
Hispanics able to vote are less than 7 % of our population.

So, that means that minority voters are LESS THAN 15 %, SPARKY!

[Do not be fooled by noise; only votes count; one per registered voter.]

And, the "minority" vote IS NOT monolithic, you social genius.

IOW, there will be (conservatively) 20 % who are NOT AVAILABLE to the Democrat ticket, no matter WHAT the color, (and closer to 30%, in actuality).

The true minority vote will be closer to 10 - 12 % so they will need 39 - 41% of the "white" vote.'
Good luck on that, genius!

Your "claims" about what Richardson "knows" is a pile of "cow pat." And, your "reality" isn't even close to the truth! [That must be really depressing; or do you remain in denial?]

I guarantee you that Richardson isn't operating on the same "caliber" that you are. Or, are you now claiming that his aides are as bad at math as you are? LOL.

Posted by: axioma | March 24, 2008 9:39 AM


Posted by: svloser
YOU SAID: "Who is Huma Abedin?"

She is a drop dead GORGEOUS Arab/Arab ancestry woman about 26 years old (or a bit older/many lies are told) who travels with Hillary and actually lives at Hillary's Washington DC mansion.

She has been described as "scheduler" and "special aide" and "handler" and "dresser."

She has also been described as Hillary's "special friend."

[I have been in campaign politics for over 40 years and I have never seen anyone like her, or with such a strangely impossible role to define.]

Posted by: axioma | March 24, 2008 9:46 AM

Sorry, I guess that "svloser" is the same as "Huma, Huma" and is playing games.

Ignore my post; I thought you were serious.

I now see that you are going back and forth between using names (easy to carry on a conversation with yourself)but which is not honorable.

Posted by: axioma | March 24, 2008 9:56 AM

People Clinton supporters are trying to use syc on us.They think if they keep saying Clinton is more experirnce, she won Michigan and Florida that it will come true. They know she can't win. They think we will vote for her if we think they are right. Those people are looking for something that why they are willing to put up thier own money. Rich white folks are a mess.They still think money can buy happines and any thing else. Hillary has sold her soul to the delvil. Thats why she keep harping on Floriday and Michigan and the supper delegates. Talking about Judas betraying Jesus ,she is betraying the country by trying to buy her way and blackmail and steal her way into the election. It is killing her and her supporters, black and white that a black man is beating a black woman without putting his hands on her. She should be a man and admit that she has lost, but oh no she ans her people is just like the republicans and all of us that are everyday people can't see what she is doing. Women that can barely make it think she cares for them. The only women she cares for is Hillary and Chelsey (I guess) because if she really thought about her daughter she would not be teaching her to take what you think you are owed any way you can no matter how wrong it is >Some mother huh. She should be teaching her daughter how to be a woman and maybe some day a good wife and mother herself, but oh no this is all about Hillary. I'm glad she is not my mother. I guess with all of the experience she has and all the travel around the world thats when being a wife and a mother came in second. You think? Lets vote in Penn. for Obama and get this over with.

Posted by: Cynthia | March 24, 2008 10:01 AM

Dear "jeff Xiao" 09:20 you said: "I am a chinese, I just wanna know why Hilary Clinton promised with other candidates not to run in Florida and Michegen according to the party's rule ,but she 's still on the ballet of the 2 states ?and i wonder why she raised the issues after the 11 streak failures when things go agaist her?"

The ideal of equel citizenship is based on the active participation of women and men in all political activities. In this case it means that no organisation, no candidate (Obama, Clinton or McCain) or anybody else can come to a decision that deprives (robs) any single citizen (above a given age) his/her private Constitutional right to vote.

I am almost sure that the candidates were aware of this. Not only Clinton but also Obama was on the ballots in Florida.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 24, 2008 10:42 AM

Hillary and Obama are very close on the issues and they both are struggling to find ways to differentiate each other. They are now defining themselves based on who has endorsed them. I say endorsements are "bunk". Endorsements are just ego trips for the people to do the endorsing. Why does it matter what someone else thinks. We are supposed to vote our own conscience . . .not what the majority thinks. . .not what who is electable. ANYONE who is voting based on who is electable is a sellout and a wimp.

While women like Hillary have worked for years to not be defined by their husbands she has to contend with that too. I think she is an independent thinker from her husband and highly sensitive to anyone even thinking he's going to fill any role other than a sounding board that most first ladies have filled.

Obama's nagging issue is race. Why is anyone in this day and age voting for a person because of the color of their skin? Does the color of their skin make them think any more or less eloquently when faced with difficult decisions. I don't think that biology has been proven.

We know Hillary has learned first hand that men sometimes think with their penis'. We know that higher levels of testosterone in men makes them often think more aggressively. That can be a plus or a minus.

People need to stop believing every chain-linked e-mail they get unless they check it out with factcheck.org or snopes.com (many of them are recycled from other year with only the names changed).

Posted by: garlibeth | March 24, 2008 11:49 AM

IHateBeingBlack wrote:
I wish whites could be black in America for one month in our shoes and see what blacks have to experience, before they yell reverse discrimination. What God would curse a race of people on this earth based on their skin color, features, and hair texture?

IHateBeingBlack, you make a good point with this statement. Sometimes it can be difficult being a black person in the United States or Europe. At times, I have thought, what it would be like to have been born a white person too? I don't care what negative comments some whites have made in reference to this article. Their been white and poor gives them privileges. Oprah Winfrey has been discriminated against by visiting a store in Europe. Apparently, the sales people didn't' recognize Miss Winfrey. All they saw was some woman with black skin. Hey this is one of the richest women black or white in the United States.

Posted by: Blue Dog Democrat | March 24, 2008 12:12 PM

TO ALL THE WHITE FOLKS ON HERE. WOULD YOU PREFERRED TO HAVE BEEN BORN WHITE OR BLACK IN SOCIETY? I am sure, all said, they preferred to be white. Who in the "hell" would have wanted to be born black in society? It's a curse! White Hispanic Americans have it better in this country. Illegal alien Hispanics think they are better that middle class or poor blacks based on their fair skin color and straight hair and sharpe features.

If I had a choice, I would have preferred to have been born white in society. Being born black is like a curse from God. It seems, blacks are hated by most races and ethnic groups on the planet earth. It's strange, God gave all other races nice straight or curly hair, but he cursed us with nappy hair and Negroid features. I look at those young preppy white men and women at Georgetown, American, Catholic, and George Washington Universities here in Washington. It appears, they don't have a care in the world. Hispanics want to identify with being white and are accepted by whites before blacks are, because black is seen as being negative. Spanish television is a good example with white Latino faces, blond hair, and green or blue eyes. I hate being a black man or person in society. Hopefully, I will not have to deal with discrimination in "Heaven or Hell". White folks are lying if they say blacks have the same opportunities as whites in America. Being born white, blond, blue eyes, attractive, and poor gives you a better chance of making it in the United States. Being Caucasian in society gives one privileges on earth. I can't wait for death to come for me. Being a black person is depressing and a cruse. I have lost my faith and trust in God! What God would let these types of things happen to me? God have blessed whites with the finer things in life on this planet earth, but it appears, God hates black people. I am one of them! This is not a joke. I can assure you, I am a black man living in Washington, D.C. I know, there are other blacks who share my feelings, but they are afraid to say it. I would give anything to be a white person in society.

Posted by: I Hate Being Black | March 24, 2008 12:22 PM

Richardson has no loyalty whatsoever. His agenda is what can I get out of this, maybe the VP job? Even if Obama did win the nomination and pick "gutless" as his running mate, they aren't going to win the election. Do you think the american people are so stupid to put an inexperienced,poor judgement(and yes there's plenty to show of his poor judgement--rezko-in obamas on words-boneheaded(poor judgement),sitting in the pews of a church that preaches hate against America-this is by far unbelieveable that people would want to give someone the most important job in our country as well as around the world, who sat by for 20 years and said nothing. Obviously he had no problems with what his MENTOR was saying.I could go on and on about his poor judgement and why he is not fit to be OUR PRESIDENT,but, I think you get the idea. This should never have gone this far. If the press/media had done their jobs correctly in reporting unbiased coverage, Hillary would already be the nominee. It's not about race, gender, etc., (although it's quite obvious that gender has played into it ,to much testosterone flowing); it should be about who is qualified for the job and no matter how you slice it, that would be Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Posted by: Mamie | March 24, 2008 12:32 PM

Asja,

My father was born in 1920's in Waterloo, MS. His father later worked for the TVA. Dad worked in a foundry and was a Union leader and member of the UAW in the North. When I was growing up in the 1960's and 70's we had as many Blacks as Whites in our home as visitors.

One of my uncles served and led in the military for 30 years and the other uncle held public office in a small town for nearly as long. Both of them have many African American friends as well who have been their friends for many years. I may not be of Obama's grandma's generation but I was raised by people who are.

To this day my Southern, White father is happily visiting with his Black friends as often as his White friends.

The reason that I 'deny' racism in America is because I didn't grow up with it the way that you describe. yes, there is definitely racism, you aren't wrong but in the nitty gritty every day lives of people, I think that economics more than color seperates more frequently.

I don't know if we were ever called that vile name but if we were, no one was stupid enough to call my father that to his face or mine. People of both races recognize the goodness in others when they live with them.

I think that there are many degrees of racism in America and it is inflicted on ALL Americans. African Americans don't own racism but they are often the most vocal.

My favorite story in my youth about racism was when one of Dad's Black friends was driving some place with him in Dad's car and said, "Man, I can't stand that *&^%^ Honky music you listen to." My dad laughed and said, "A lot you know, that's Charlie Pride and he is the same color as you!" They were still laughing about it when they walked in the door to pick up his friend's wife who was sitting at our kitchen table with my mom having coffee.

My nieces from both sides of the family and my husband's family are married interracially. The only thing that one of the grandma's said at the reception was, "He treats her better than her first husband."

I guess what I am trying to say is that I live in a primarily Dutch community where I don't blend in at all as a small brunette. My children and I are often discriminated against for being not Dutch (they say here, "If you aren't Dutch, you aren't much.").

Jim Crow laws, racist signs, the KKK all exist and thankfully are leaving our lives but guilting us into voting for Obama because of the past is wrong too. I teach my kids, as I was taught, to look into a person's heart. I hope that everyone learns to do THAT; so the nasties that I live with can get over their blonde selves before we leave! ....see, a White person not crazy about a whole group of other Whites....it just goes around and around.

Posted by: Abby | March 24, 2008 12:41 PM

Asja,

My father was born in 1920's in Waterloo, MS. His father later worked for the TVA. Dad worked in a foundry and was a Union leader and member of the UAW in the North. When I was growing up in the 1960's and 70's we had as many Blacks as Whites in our home as visitors.

One of my uncles served and led in the military for 30 years and the other uncle held public office in a small town for nearly as long. Both of them have many African American friends as well who have been their friends for many years. I may not be of Obama's grandma's generation but I was raised by people who are.

To this day my Southern, White father is happily visiting with his Black friends as often as his White friends.

The reason that I 'deny' racism in America is because I didn't grow up with it the way that you describe. yes, there is definitely racism, you aren't wrong but in the nitty gritty every day lives of people, I think that economics more than color seperates more frequently.

I don't know if we were ever called that vile name but if we were, no one was stupid enough to call my father that to his face or mine. People of both races recognize the goodness in others when they live with them.

I think that there are many degrees of racism in America and it is inflicted on ALL Americans. African Americans don't own racism but they are often the most vocal.

My favorite story in my youth about racism was when one of Dad's Black friends was driving some place with him in Dad's car and said, "Man, I can't stand that *&^%^ Honky music you listen to." My dad laughed and said, "A lot you know, that's Charlie Pride and he is the same color as you!" They were still laughing about it when they walked in the door to pick up his friend's wife who was sitting at our kitchen table with my mom having coffee.

My nieces from both sides of the family and my husband's family are married interracially. The only thing that one of the grandma's said at the reception was, "He treats her better than her first husband."

I guess what I am trying to say is that I live in a primarily Dutch community where I don't blend in at all as a small brunette. My children and I are often discriminated against for being not Dutch (they say here, "If you aren't Dutch, you aren't much.").

Jim Crow laws, racist signs, the KKK all exist and thankfully are leaving our lives but guilting us into voting for Obama because of the past is wrong too. I teach my kids, as I was taught, to look into a person's heart. I hope that everyone learns to do THAT; so the nasties that I live with can get over their blonde selves before we leave! ....see, a White person not crazy about a whole group of other Whites....it just goes around and around.

Posted by: Abby | March 24, 2008 12:41 PM

p.s. Asja,

My dad's African American buddies, all in their 70's and 80's, prefer Hillary to Barak Obama as do my uncles' Black friends.

I suspect that economic similarities are what makes them friends and probably the reason that they all think that Hillary is the more qualified person for the job.

Those guys conquered racism many years ago so they are looking at the bigger picture: the war in Iraq, healthcare and the economy.

Posted by: Abby | March 24, 2008 1:26 PM

Richardson's obviously not anywhere near being impartial and has not only turned against his old patrons who gave him a start in politics--by Annette

Okay Annette History lesson here. The Clinton's did not give Bill Richardson his start in Politics. Governor Bill Richardson was the 3rd congressional district of New Mexico's House Representative for many, many years. HE WAS IN CONGRESS. Then he was made Secretary of Energy and later Ambassador to the UN by Clinton. But he represented US in Congress and I am taking about the state I live in New Mexico. So I should know.

I live in New Mexico. I think Bill did what was good for the party in the long run, although party insiders may not get what "the people want". Tough!! We the people meant it when we took back Congress in 2006 and we want the White House back--to the people to whom it belongs--to change all the wrongs, repair the damage to our country and it's reputation. United we Stand que no? As for Carville, traitor? hahaha looks like the person married to the Cheney hatchet women, Mary Matlin has a lot of room to talk. hahaha, that is hilarious, Carville and Wolfson (telling us that Super D's know what is best for the rest of us) give me a break, you folks are so yesterday.

The man--Richardson--is a good man and I am glad he had the courage of conviction to do what is RIGHT FOR COUNTRY NOT PARTY. COUNTRY NOT PARTY. THAT IS TRUE PATRIOTISM!! He'd make a great VP but even better Secretary of State, think about it, he practices DIPLOMACY and talks to the enemies and brings back people from oversears. Now talk about experience. That is what Obama will do, put people around him with the experience to get the job done for the people. Not just the oil companies and military industrial complex.

off topic but like everyone's opinion. Do you think that the Democratic National Convention in Denver (of all places this is ironic) will be like 1968? Remember that fogies? think about it. Give me your thoughts.

Posted by: MariaL1 | March 24, 2008 1:35 PM

Love the way the Dems are pushing a black seperatist as their candidate! Don't they know that blacks and left-wing loons alone aren't enough to win in Nov?

Posted by: Cheesesteak | March 24, 2008 1:37 PM

A number of folks that have posted malign Richardson for being a traitor. One comment really got my goat. Richardson was called a traitor because he was not loyal to the Clintons because they have done so much for him. What does loyalty have to do with choosing the best candidate for the country? We already have enough of pat me on the back and I'll pat you back in politics.

Posted by: Marie | March 24, 2008 1:38 PM

Asja, who are you to judge me? You have never walked in my dam shoes. What kind of inhumane beast are you to tell someone to kill themselves? You are a racist self hating "COW". Yes, if I had my choice in this life, I would have preferred to have been born white. BEING BLACK ON THIS PLANET IS A CURSE BY GOD. Regardless of what many white Jews are saying on here, they are of the white race. Jewish is a religion, not a race. You have black Jews, many are from Ethiopia. The Ethiopian Jews have been discriminated against in Israel by white Jews based on their skin color. Black Jews are not accepted by mainstream Jews. The black race is hated around the world. I have lost faith in a God who have cursed me or doesn't love me.

Posted by: I Hate Being Black | March 24, 2008 2:04 PM

tupacalypsefan wrote:
Racisim is alive and well in this country all you have to do is read the posts on this forum. Now let me try to explain something to white people anybody can practice bigotry whtie AND BLACK being a bigot just means you have bad preconceived notions about another race of people, but racisim is when your bigotry has an EFFECT on the other race, (i.e. not hiring a qualified black, not giving a loan to a qualified black, not being able to buy a house wherever you want because you're black) all these examples are NOW AGAINST THE LAW, but a law HAD TO BE ENACTED in order for blacks to get what whites have been enjoying, and believe they are ENTITLED TO, but blacks had to get permission. LAWS HAVE TO BE ENACTED FOR BLACKS TO ENJOY AND EXPECT THE SAME FREEDOMS AND OPPOURTUNITIES THAT WHITES ENJOY.

tupacalypsefan, you were on point with the above comment. Whites, white gays and Lesbians, white Jews, or white Hispanics don't know what it's like to be of the black race or our pain and hurt.

Whites in America have never walked in my dam shoes. Yes, if I had my choice in this life, I would have preferred to have been born white. BEING BLACK ON THIS PLANET IS A CURSE BY GOD. Regardless of what many white Jews are saying on here, they are of the white race. Jewish is a religion, not a race. You have black Jews, many are from Ethiopia. The Ethiopian Jews have been discriminated against in Israel by white Jews based on their skin color. Black Jews are not accepted by mainstream Jews. The black race is hated around the world. I have lost faith in a God who have cursed me or doesn't love me. Even white gays and Lesbians have it better than black gays and Lesbians. White gays and Lesbians can hide their gayness by staying in the closet. Black gays and Lesbians cannot hide their blackness. For the record, white gays and Lesbians are just as racist as main stream white society aganist blacks. Hispanics are some of the most racist people of the planet. Black/Afro Hispanics/Latinos are treated like dirt in South/Central America, Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, and Cuba. Check out the Latinos working here in Washington, D.C. at the World Bank, Inter-American Development Bank, and International Monetary Fund. They are all white Hispanics. Watch all 3 Spanish speaking networks, you will see mostly white faces. On the Spanish speaking Soap Operas, if you see a black face, they are usually the maid or slave.

Posted by: I Hate Being Black | March 24, 2008 2:40 PM

I think Rendell's comments really summed up the situation nicely. Richardson's endorsement contradicts the very principle that he mentions. Is super de;lgates need to refelct the will of their electorate-why is he endorsing Obama. last I checked Hillary won NM hands down.

"The Obama campaign tries to have it both ways," Pennsylvania Gov. Edward Rendell (D), a Clinton supporter, complained. "They say the campaign's too negative, and they go out and turn an innocent remark" into something else.
..............
But he said the Obama campaign is inconsistent with how it wants superdelegates, the party officials who have a vote at the Democratic convention, to line up. The Obama campaign says superdelegates' votes should reflect the will of the people, Rendell said, but only when it's convenient.

"[W]e have Senator [Ted] Kennedy and Senator [John] Kerry saying they're going to vote for Obama even though Senator Clinton won by 13 points in Massachusetts," Rendell said. "If we follow the Obama line, Bill Richardson should be for Senator Clinton."

The media bias shines thru yet again. Barava Hillary for surviving such naked bias.

Posted by: PP | March 24, 2008 3:44 PM

White Americans try being of the black race for a month. Come back and tell me if you still feel the same. I can assure you, you will thank your white "GOD" for making you white.

I saw an eposide of "Touch By An Angel" a few years ago. God turned the white Angel Monica black into human form. Monica was attack by some rednecks on a southern road base on her being black. As she ran from the Rednecks, she prayed to God, Lord I don't want to be black. God's lesson to his Angel, don't be so quick to judge unless you have walked in a person's shoes.

Posted by: I Hate Being Black | March 24, 2008 3:56 PM

Richardson IS a hypocrite, I mean what happened to where goes the state so to should the super delegate, that did come from him right? I am a democrat that would much rather give my vote to McCain than Obama.

Posted by: Clinton will take KY | March 24, 2008 4:55 PM

eternalemperor wrote:
IHateBeingBlack
I've stated several times that I'm black. You are either a fraud or you are delusional.

No such statement was ever uttered on Touched by an Angel.

eternalemperor, I know what I saw. I saw this episode of "Touch By An Angel", Black Like Monica. Attached is the episode and a picture of the white Angel Monica being black. I remembered crying when I saw this episode. The late Rosa Parks was in this episode.

http://www.touched.com/episodeguide/seasonfive/524.html

Posted by: I Hate Being Black | March 24, 2008 5:05 PM

It seems the Clinton camp was all for the super delegates voting however they wanted --per rules, as long as they were supporting her. DNC rules state that the Super D's DO NOT HAVE to vote the vote of the state. That is a fact. So Richardson was free to chose whomever he wanted. The country wants change and Obama is it. Thank God some folks are seeing the light. We are sick and tired of the same old politicians. Hillary represents that--the establishment. Part of the same people who stuck us in the mess we are in.

Vote for McCain and you vote for a hundred year war!! Got kids and grandkids? tell them why you think they should fight this war in the future.

Posted by: MariaL1 | March 24, 2008 5:17 PM

If I were a superdelegate, I would see this attack on Richardson as a threat. "This is what will happen to you if you endorse Obama." I know how I would respond to that kind of threat. How about you, superdelegates?

Posted by: DoTheMath | March 24, 2008 6:06 PM

Bill Richardson is a fat, dumb hack. Asked why he is going with Barry Nobama, he responds, "He's got something good -- I don't know what it is, but...."

Great reason for being a traitor, Billy!

What a stupid fool.

Posted by: FatBilly | March 24, 2008 6:13 PM

PP: If "hands down" means "by 0.8%" (48.8% to 48%), then Clinton won New Mexico hands down. Otherwise, she squeaked by Obama in that state, but he is ahead overall by 167 pledged delegates. The overall pledged delegates are what Richardson is talking about.

Posted by: DoTheMath | March 24, 2008 6:19 PM

"I Hate being black":

One is beginning to wonder whether you're really black or just an overzealous white liberal character / right wing nut trying to insult blacks in general, as some sort of an academic experiment. Take it easy, bub.

Try being a brown-high-federalist-Hamiltonian-indian-american immigrant (too many hyphens there) and experience the hard stares from people who think youre potentially a obam..i mean ..an osama admirer.

Now THEREs living hell for you :-)

You're black. You're AMERICAN. Think about us cussed brown immigrant furriners..

Compared to us, you have it MADE. ;)

enjoy your blackness.

Posted by: Raj | March 24, 2008 6:30 PM

It's hard to determine who's the stupidest or the stupider, but I place my money on the Clinton team.

Posted by: Rational Analyst | March 24, 2008 7:08 PM

Raj I can assure you, I am a black man living in Ward 1 Washington, D.C. I attended Howard University and was born in the old Freedmans Hospital, now Howard University Hospital. There are millions of blacks in the United States share my pain, but they will never admit to it publicly as I have in this forum.

Posted by: I Hate Being Black | March 24, 2008 7:35 PM

McPeak was RIGHT! The Clintons are SHAMELESS! Bill's legacy will be forever tainted by his own behavior during this election.

Posted by: DemocraticVoter | March 24, 2008 9:14 PM

Hillary Clinton tells her full story about her visit to Tuzla in 1996. She said that she remembered ducking for cover from the hail of sniper fire. This was to assert that she is an "experienced" candidate.

Reporters found the actual tape of her visit to Tuzla in 1996, which showed that no such thing like sniper fire happened. Then she claimed that she misspoke.

Is that explanation credible? Do people tell a whole story then claim that they misspoke?

Can voters trust her? What else will she do to get that nomination?

Posted by: Full Story | March 24, 2008 9:32 PM

IHB... If you are really black then I agree with your claims..90%.

Indians, Asian women and latinos are just as racist towards dark skinned folks (as are white/white-ethnic democrats who "like" you as long as you're their "ward" - but not as an equal). Hang in there.

Curiously, the least racist group I've encountered are asian men. Especially the asian-american variey, born and bred here.

oh well. Its God's curious design. Cuss him/her/it. And vote for McCain. At least the republicans dont try to hide their contempt for us. ;)

Posted by: Raj | March 24, 2008 11:52 PM

No one can cast the argument as well as Carville. He said that by not allowing Florida and Michigan Vote Obama is not playing the full 40 minutes of basketball. he wants to declare himself winner before the last 3.5 minutes are done. So by that count he is niether leading in the delegate count nor in the popular vote count.
Hillary will prevail. But if theintellectually bankrupt Obama does win the nomination. McCain will crush himm. Most Clinton votes will go to McCain. They willnot stand for the way Obama is trying to steal the nomination.

Posted by: dsclinton | March 25, 2008 12:11 AM

Are people really getting this worked up on the words of people who clearly did not choose them well? I doubt these sound clips, from either side, truly represent their speaker's meaning. Historically, both Hillary Clinton and Richardson have been far better "do-ers" than "say-ers," so I have few qualms with looking past a few quotable slip-ups. I am a young democrat, so I sincerely believe that change can and should happen (I know, I only have a few more years left before that ends), and I think that the Clinton political family has done little to change the way liberal practices are implemented. There is no doubt in my mind that either candidate would be a fabulous improvement. The choice really is which one might be better, and considering Obama will surely select many members of his cabinet from the Clinton political family (already including Richardson), I think Obama is a better bet. However, I am deeply saddened by the fruitless bickering between democrats on this page, during an election I thought was handed to us a long time ago.

Posted by: Will | March 25, 2008 6:12 AM

I am a Latino Male and not like Bill Richardson, a real Mexican-American! How dare Richardson endorse agains his own State Constituency for his own personal gain. He is a traitor to the Clintons, Latino Democrats, citizens of New Mexico and anyone else whom believed that his decision making was for the good of the people.

Posted by: Cesar | March 25, 2008 9:18 AM

STOP INSULTING ASJA!

Listen you buffoons, Asja is trying to speak in a rational, respectful voice about racism. She has her opinion and it comes from her experiences.

If you are representative of her personal experiences, I don't blame her for differing so significantly from mine.

You are rude bullies and you are the epitomy of everything that I teach my children NOT to be. I don't care what color you are or for whom your are going to vote.

Go to your room and think about your rudeness and don't come back until you can apologize and issue thoughtful POLITE opinions that offer ideas and not insults.

If you persist in acting childishly, then you deserve to be treated that way. Behave and be nice.

Posted by: Abby | March 25, 2008 9:59 AM

Let me see if I got Carville's revised version of the New Testament straight: If Bill Richardson is Judas, then Hillary Clinton must be Jesus; James Carville, John the Baptist; Barak Obama, Caiphas; Obama's staff, the Sanhedrin; Jeremiah Wright, Satan; John Kerry, Lazarus; the uncommitted Howard Dean, Pontius Pilate; Norman Hsu, Nicodemus; General Wesley Clark, Cornelius; George Bush, Cesar; John McCain, Herod; Monica Lewinski, Magdalene and Bill Clinton, God the Father.

Did I miss anyone?

Posted by: Carlos Navarro | March 25, 2008 10:18 AM

Let me see if I got Carville's revised version of the New Testament straight: If Bill Richardson is Judas, then Hillary Clinton must be Jesus; James Carville, John the Baptist; Barak Obama, Caiphas; Obama's staff, the Sanhedrin; Jeremiah Wright, Satan; John Kerry, Lazarus; the uncommitted Howard Dean, Pontius Pilate; Norman Hsu, Nicodemus; General Wesley Clark, Cornelius; George Bush, Cesar; John McCain, Herod; Monica Lewinski, Magdalene and Bill Clinton, God the Father.

Did I miss anyone?

Posted by: Carlos Navarro | March 25, 2008 10:18 AM

IHATEBEINGBLACK, I truly, truly, am sorry for your pain. You should consider seeking some mental health counseling with a black male Psychologist. It's easy for many whites to say forget about slavery. Slavery hasn't been that long ago in the United States, nor have segregation and Jim Crowism. Discrimination is on more of a sophisticated level these days. Many times whites don't know they are discriminating against you. I can guarantee, none of the whites on here making this ridiculous statements would have preferred to be born black. It's probably more blacks would have preferred to be white than whites preferring to be black. You still have African Americans passing for white in 2008. Rev. Wright was wrong for what he said, and he got caught on tape saying these horrific statements, but whites are saying some of the most vile things against blacks daily in the privacy of their homes. Our worst enemies (blacks) are liberal whites. The Clinton's have showed their true colors and Bill Clinton was supposed to be the first black President. LOL LOL

Posted by: Blue Dog Democrat | March 25, 2008 3:31 PM

IHATEBEINGBLACK, I truly, truly, am sorry for your pain. You should consider seeking some mental health counseling with a black male Psychologist. It's easy for many whites to say forget about slavery. Slavery hasn't been that long ago in the United States, nor have segregation and Jim Crowism. Discrimination is on more of a sophisticated level these days. Many times whites don't know they are discriminating against you. I can guarantee, none of the whites on here making this ridiculous statements would have preferred to be born black. It's probably more blacks would have preferred to be white than whites preferring to be black. You still have African Americans passing for white in 2008. Rev. Wright was wrong for what he said, and he got caught on tape saying these horrific statements, but whites are saying some of the most vile things against blacks daily in the privacy of their homes. Our worst enemies (blacks) are liberal whites. The Clinton's have showed their true colors and Bill Clinton was supposed to be the first black President. LOL LOL

Posted by: Blue Dog Democrat | March 25, 2008 3:31 PM

IHATEBEINGBLACK, I truly, truly, am sorry for your pain. You should consider seeking some mental health counseling with a black male Psychologist. It's easy for many whites to say forget about slavery. Slavery hasn't been that long ago in the United States, nor have segregation and Jim Crowism. Discrimination is on more of a sophisticated level these days. Many times whites don't know they are discriminating against you. I can guarantee, none of the whites on here making this ridiculous statements would have preferred to be born black. It's probably more blacks would have preferred to be white than whites preferring to be black. You still have African Americans passing for white in 2008. Rev. Wright was wrong for what he said, and he got caught on tape saying these horrific statements, but whites are saying some of the most vile things against blacks daily in the privacy of their homes. Our worst enemies (blacks) are liberal whites. The Clinton's have showed their true colors and Bill Clinton was supposed to be the first black President. LOL LOL

Posted by: Blue Dog Democrat | March 25, 2008 3:31 PM

Richardson doesn't owe Hillary Clinton his endorsement. In 1997, he was asked to serve in in Bill Clinton's administration and he performed a job well done--and that's all he owes anyone.

Carville said that calling Richardson Judas is "branding" him. They think he's a sheep or a piece of cattle. They're vile and delusional. Bill Clinton is the one who owes a debt of thanks to everybody for standing by him during impeachment.

I voted for Hillary on February 5th, but if I could do it over, I would not vote for her. She's not a leader.

Posted by: Barbara | March 25, 2008 10:06 PM

Richardson doesn't owe Hillary Clinton his endorsement. In 1997, he was asked to serve in in Bill Clinton's administration and he performed a job well done--and that's all he owes anyone.

Carville said that calling Richardson Judas is "branding" him. They think he's a sheep or a piece of cattle. They're vile and delusional. Bill Clinton is the one who owes a debt of thanks to everybody for standing by him during impeachment.

I voted for Hillary on February 5th, but if I could do it over, I would not vote for her. She's not a leader.

Posted by: Barbara | March 25, 2008 10:06 PM

Posted by: wolf | March 27, 2008 2:08 PM

We hear from lieberman??
We're supposed to listern to Lieberman/??h

Lieberman is first, last and only concenred with Israel.

He and his the Jewish Lobby are the reason we're in Iran. Which is killing us.

The reason Wall Street zionists are bringing American down.

The reason the rest of the world hates us.

Lieberman is hated in Connecticut and in Congress. But the Jewish media loves him.

And so we must listen to Lieberman.

Posted by: Helena | March 30, 2008 3:12 PM

Without caucuses which is undemocratic in every sense of the word democracy, Obama would have lost. Obama is not going to win majority of the states he won in primary, they have gone Republican in general election for the last 8 or so general elections.

So, the outcome is going to be Obama gets nominated, looses to McCain and political career ends. I have looked through every single poll in detail and when look at the numbers in detail, his major support comes from blacks and far left liberal democrats and independents. Not enough to overtake Republicans and Centrist Independents. I will guarantee every Obama bots, that there more centrist Independents than Liberal Left wingers.

Obama may win the battle but will not win the war. I don't any dog in this race. Purely a policy detail man.

Posted by: Cerebral | March 30, 2008 6:29 PM

Carville didntr say anything that most of us didn't think the same about richardson

Posted by: lucygirl1 | March 30, 2008 9:20 PM

These blogs are really amazing. Why should Richardson feel obligated to vote for Hillary; becasue he worked in the Clinton cabinet previously?
Why isn't Obama patriotic; becasue he does not wear a flag lapel, he voted agains tteh war and still feels it was wrong?
We are not fighting the terrorists who attacked America 9/11 - We are in another country fighting Bush's family fight for weapons of mass destruction-Oh yeah, they never existed.
Someone commented that Rev. Wright should never be allowed in the White HOuse and that is what would happen if Obama was President. Oh yeah-he has already been to the White House with Bill, and given notes of thanks for his prayers and spritual support.
God forbid this biracial man gets in the White House - because the black in him and his family history will only help the blacks, and the Muslims and lead this country downhill.
Wake-up! We have already slid to the bottom, we do not have respect fromother countries are leaders, our money is worth nothing, keeping up with the Jones' has us in a real estate crisis.
We never really know what people are thinking until they are recorded or taped. In many homes in America, I am sure they are racial statments made.
America needs a change. Obama or Hilton? The decision should not be based on sex or race.
And it is amazing how Obama is viewed by many on this blog as a racists - he is white too people. But as the old rule in America went - Any black blood then you are black.
I have a varied interracial family (many different races) so I see an entire different picture.
You can not base a race on the actions or comments of a few - if so White America is eternally doomed, not only for their historical treatment of Blacks and women, but also the Indians.
Vote for who you think will do the best job -
Clinton's health plan does cover everyone, and it is mandatory-no matter if you can afford it or not (oh yeah- it will be affordable says Clinton). Obama's plan ensures all children with coverage, and others can choose - that is the American right to choose.
I personally had voted for Clinton over Obama for overall candicy reasons - but some of these writers reason for their decisions is crazy.

Posted by: sanity | March 31, 2008 2:48 PM

OBAMA LIES AGAIN AND MAINSTREAM MEDIA LIKE CNN HIDES IT!

Sen. Obama referres to himself as 'a constitutional law professor on the campaign trail. TRUTH: He never held any such title! Obama changed website bio to reflect that he was a 'lecturer' rather than 'professor. Chicago Daily Herald

MSNBC-OBAMA: ANOTHER SUPER, EXAGGERATION
Washington Post caught Obama in a lie about the Kennedy family role.
The WashigntonPost Fact Check

Senator Obama CAUGHT LYING about Kennedy Role in Helping His Father
Contrary to Obama's claims in speeches Kennedy family did not provide the funding for a September 1959 airlift of 81 Kenyan students to the United States that included Obama's father. According to historical records and interviews with participants, the Kennedys were approached for support for the program a year later, July 1960. family responded with a $100,000 donation, which went to pay for a second airlift in September 1960.

Politico reports, "During his first run for elected office, Barack Obama played a greater role than he acknowledges in crafting liberal stands on gun control, the death penalty and abortion- positions that appear at odds with the more moderate image he's projected during his presidential campaign. The evidence comes from an amended version of an Illinois voter group's detailed questionnaire, filed under his name during his bid for a state Senate. In response to a Politico story, Obama's answers he never saw questioaire?

Obama said he goofed on votes angered fellow Democrats in the Senate when he voted to strip millions of dollars from a child welfare office on Chicago's West Side. But Obama had a ready explanation: He goofed! Also announced he had fumbled an election-reform vote the day before, on a measure that passed 51 to 6. The next day, he acknowledged voting "present" on a key telecommunications vote. He stood on March 11, 1999, to take back his vote against legislation to end good-behavior credits for certain felons in county jails. "I pressed the wrong button on that," he said. Obama was the lone dissenter on Feb. 24, 2000, against 57 yeas for a ban on human cloning. "I pressed the wrong button by accident," he said. But two of Obama's bumbles came on more-sensitive topics, he backed legislation to permit riverboat casinos to operate even when the boats were dockside. The measure, pushed by the gambling industry and fought by church groups whose support Obama was seeking, passed with two "yeas" to spare -- including Obama's. Moments after its passage he rose to say, explaining that he had mistakenly voted for it.

Obama would later develop a reputation as a critic of the gambling industry, and he voted against a similar measure two years later. But he was clearly confused about how to handle the issue at the time of his first vote, telling a church group that he was "undecided" about whether he backed an expansion of riverboat gambling. And, months earlier, he had voted in favor of a version of the bill.

NBC- Aswini Anburajan
GREENBURG, Pa
OBAMA LIES IN PENNSYLVANIA AD
It's unfortunate that Senator Obama is using false advertising to explain why he can be trusted to do something about energy prices. In his ad, Obama says, I'm Barack Obama, and I don't take money from oil companies or lobbyists, and I won't let them block change any more. Obama has been the recipient of more than $220,000 from the oil and gas industry just since as of Feb/08. Two of Obama's campaign bundlers are also CEOs for oil and gas companies, per his campaign Web site? Obama needs to answer to VOTERS about his dealings with one of his largest contributors Exelon, a big nuclear power company that he cut deals behind closed doors protecting them from full disclosure in the nuclear industry. Exxon, Shell, and others are among his biggest donors

Judicial Watch:
By Klaus Marre
Obama 'intended to leave no paper trail' OBAMA REFUSES to cooperate in releasing 8 years of his state senate records. One main reason REZKO!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 1, 2008 5:47 PM

BILL RICHARDSON ( JUDAS) SELLS OUT LATINOS AND JOINS THE WRIGHT RACIAL DIVIDE AGAINST AMERICANS FOR POLITICAL FAVORS!
OBAMA LOOSES JOBS FOR MINORITIES
Ms. Obama, VP Chicago Hosp, that charges minorities 6 times as much, isn't cold hearted enough; she also caused hundreds to loose their 11.hr jobs, to be more efficient she said! In 05, elected to the BOD Westchester-based TreeHouse Foods, she received $12,000 and $33,000 from a subsidiaries, in Nov announced closing its La Junta, plant, that claimed the jobs of 153 workers, most of them Hispanic! Huge blow to a rural town jobs paid a starting wage of $11hr, Company pays top execs like MICHELLE OBAMA tens of millions a year while destroying middle-class America. Raises the question not only about corporate values but about Barrack Obama's own values. Specifically, while he bashes Wal-Mart, why does his wife, make $45,000 and up a year serving on the board of Chicago comp that pays her a very hefty amount of money while laying off mostly minority workers in economically deprived areas? No. 1 customer is Wal-Mart???
Obamas attack on middle class and minorities- The Crowns and employees of their family-run holding company have given at least $195,000 to Obama's presidential campaign. Maytag shut the Galesburg plant after Labor Day 2004 Union member say senator did little to save jobs in the blue-collar town of 37,000. Obama connection to Maytag: Lester Crown, company's director's records show, has raised tens of thousands of dollars for Obama's campaigns. Maytag shut the Galesburg plant after Labor Day 2004.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 1, 2008 5:48 PM

oh, Judas, I didn't need to hear James call you that to not have already thought it.

JUDAS

JUDAS

JUDAS

YOU MUST AGREE WITH HATE BASED NAMES LIKE:

GARLIC-NOSE ITALAINS, TYPICAL WHITE PEOPLE, ANTI-SEMETIC TERMS, GD AMERICA....

THEN YOU GO OUT AND ENDORSE OBAMA.... YEAH RIGHT, JUDAS, WHAT WILL YOU GET OUT OF THIS?????????

Posted by: plainjane 1 | April 1, 2008 8:08 PM

I can't tell whether you guys who are calling Obama racist are serious or just joking. It is a laughable position to hold. How delusional have you