Obama, Clinton Debate Gas Tax Holiday

By Zachary A. Goldfarb
Sen. Barack Obama pressed his attack on Sen. Hillary Clinton's proposal to suspend the federal gas temporarily, calling it an effort at political pandering. Clinton defended the proposal as a response to the real needs of working people struggling to afford enough gas to get to work.

"This [issue] defines, I think, the difference between myself and Senator Clinton," Obama said, calling her proposal "a classic Washington gimmick." He said the proposal, to suspend the federal gas tax for three months and make up the hit to the federal budget by taxing oil companies, would save the average driver just 30 cents per day. "It is a political response to a serious problem we have neglected for decades," he said.

Two days before primaries in North Carolina and Indiana, Clinton said she is meeting people across both states "who drive for a living, who commute long distances, who would save money if the oil companies paid this $8 billion this summer, instead of it coming out of the pockets of consumers."

Obama said Clinton had already pledged to tax oil companies to fund investment in clean energy.

The hour-long TV appearances, aired at the same time in many cities, brought Clinton before voters in Indiana and North Carolina on ABC's "This Week," while Obama went one-on-one on NBC's "Meet the Press."

Clinton was pressed to name one economist who supports the idea of a suspension of the gas tax. She could not, but she turned the question to strike a populist note against "elite opinion."

"We've been for the last seven years seeing a tremendous amount of government power and elite opinion basically behind policies that haven't worked well for the middle class and hard-working Americans," she said.

She also pledged to launch multiple investigations into the oil industry if elected president. "I think there has been market manipulation," she said.

Obama talked at length about the controversy surrounding the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, his former and now estranged pastor. He said Wright's heightened profile and provocative statements in recent days have "distracted" his campaign. "We spent a lot of time talking about Rev. Wright," Obama said. "It wasn't welcome."

Obama said he had been moved in March to defend Wright because he felt the incendiary statements Wright made in the pulpit of his church -- which had found their way into a YouTube video -- "didn't define him." Obama said he tried to use the controversy surrounding the statements "to construct a conversation about issues of race."

But "when I saw this week him come out and speak in a way that's just as divisive, that didn't explain or apologize ... but worsen comments he made previously ... I thought it was very important to make clear that's not who I am, that's not who I stand for," Obama said.

He speculated that Wright, in his retirement, thought "that having the spotlight was something attractive." What the minister didn't recognize, Obama said, was that the social justice for which his church had advocated was "at stake right now" and what he said "fed into all the racial antagonisms and divisions that had haunted this country for too long."

Clinton, for her part, said it is time that the presidential campaign "definitely move on" from Wright. She passed on the chance to add that superdelegates should ignore the controversy into account, saying, "There's no doubt they talk about it. But what people I think are more interested in is what we would do and what kind of president we would be."

Clinton was asked about her trustworthiness, and particularly regarding her objection to the NAFTA free trade agreement, created by the Clinton administration and still supported by her husband.

"I just believe that our declining manufacturing base is a threat to the overall economy. It's not isolated to one part of what we do in this country," she said. "It's outrageous. It's unpatriotic that is still going on."

Clinton repeated that the list of donors to her husband's foundation, which funds his presidential library and other charitable activities, will not be disclosed until the November election: "It's a national foundation, and like most national foundations, the rules were set up. People contributed under those rules. So going forward, if I'm president, we'll change the rules."

Obama and Clinton also clashed over the best policy toward Iran.

Obama criticized her recent comment that she'd "obliterate" Iran if it were to attack Israel.

"It's not the language we need right now and I think it's language that's reflective of George Bush ... that we have had a foreign policy of bluster and saber-rattling and tough talk and in the meantime we made a series of strategic decisions that actually strengthened Iran," Obama said.

Clinton said she has "advocated vigorous diplomatic engagement" but continues to hold her position about "what would we do if Iran got a nuclear weapon and attacked Israel. And I think we have to be very clear about what we would do. I don't think it's time to equivocate about what we would do. They have to know that they would face massive retaliation. That is the only way to rein them in. "

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From "Head of State"
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/05/strength.html

"Saturday, May 03, 2008
Strength

I have been watching Sen. Obama during his weeks of adversity.

He has what we need--a transformative national vision, a commitment to a new and unifying politics, and to a long-needed truth in governance and international relations.

He needs to transcend other characteristics.

There is a prickliness--a sense of insult or hurt that, having given an honest message, the message has been distorted--a certain wounded defeatism.

He must rise above this and be strong.

This is the vulnerability of a man long without a father.

In such circumstances, men often become their own father-- accompanied by the grandiosity, limitlessness, precociousness, and willingness to quickly fill in gaps with apparent consistencies that is characteristic of a persona adopted in childhood, too large and too soon--i.e., Bill Clinton;

They too can become the agent of the genuine, intelligent, and heartfelt ideals of their mother-- passed on, rightly, as the intelligent and humane truth of the world, but not buttressed by the daily measuring and inevitable confrontation of those ideals that can come from the presence of a father--the tensile strength. and resilience that causes those ideals to energetically endure in the face of challenge.

Obama has recently shown an underlying hurt and lethargy in reaction to the politics of fear and attack--what has been reported by some as "boredom."

To win--and more important, to reach the goals that he has set out for himself--he must turn away from such disappointment in the reaction of the nation.

He must put forward his energy and strength in the face of distortion to bring the nation to a realization of what matters most at this time.

When he shows such disappointment in reaction to such events, he shows that he cannot stand up to the distortion that will inevitably come, and that he must overcome to reach the point of national transformation.

Barack: There is no place in this campaign for disappointment, wounded defense and hurt. You are taking on the gigantic task of changing the minds of the American people, including those diverted, suspicious thoughts that will inevitably rise from the restraining bonds of our collective past--and, as you know, will be encouraged to do so.

Now is the time for strength--strength of purpose and strength of commitment. Bring people to an image of what can be established and created beyond the trivial, momentary excitement of attack politics. Do not be drawn into the minutiae of a ground war, or into a position of withdrawn and injured hopelessness. A hint of this creates the image of someone who is playing the old game, by the old rules.

You've made this clear in your stump speech: This is your moment. Now--Fully step into it. Bring people to fully realize what they can have, with full energy, commitment, strength and belief: A nation committed to truth in its relation to the people of this and other nations, to the unity of this country rather than to tactical and self-serving division, and to the interests of the many, rather than the few."

Incidentally, this "Head of State" post predicted today's actions by Obama, in the following AP/Telegraph report:

"Michelle Obama: Barack has hit boiling point

Barack Obama is struggling to contain his anger and frustration over the constant barrage of questions about his character and judgment, his wife has revealed.

AP
Michelle Obama told her audience that her husband was 'sick of the battle against Clinton'

Michelle Obama lifted the lid on the irritation felt by the leading Democrat candidate for the White House at the way anti-American outbursts by his pastor, Jeremiah Wright, have dogged his campaign.

He is said to be itching to turn all his fire on John McCain, the Republican candidate, who is benefiting most from Mr Obama's protracted tussle with Hillary Clinton.

Mrs Obama told a rally in Durham, North Carolina, on Friday that only her husband's desire to change US politics had helped him to control his feelings: "Barack is always thinking three steps ahead - what do we need to do to make change."

Her husband was thinking "I can't let my ego, my anger, my frustration get in the way of the ultimate goal," she said."


Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/05/strength.html

Posted by: Robert Hewson | May 4, 2008 2:15 PM

Just say Nobama if you want to win in the Fall. Vote smart, vote Clinton.

Posted by: Tobias | May 4, 2008 2:15 PM

According to Yahoo political DashBoard http://news.yahoo.com/election/2008/
dashboard Hillary needs 324.5 of the 496
remaining total that is 65.42% Obama needs 172.5 of the 496 total that is 34.77 % I think that the fat lady is about to sing.

Posted by: isaacnewton | May 4, 2008 2:18 PM

DISPATCHES FROM THE GROUND WAR ...

BEN SMITH OF POLITICO.COM REPORTING ...

Charlotte Observer backs Obama


North Carolina's biggest paper backs Obama for his potential to restore decency to politics, and for a list of reasons it doesn't like Hillary:

[W]e're troubled by, to cite a few examples, these aspects of her presidential campaign:

• Many of her supporters seem intent on depicting Sen. Obama as the Jesse Jackson of 2008, a leader who appeals to an ethnic minority but not to the broader electorate needed to win.

• She sometimes exaggerates her influence and experiences, as when she claimed she "helped to bring peace to Northern Ireland" and said she ducked under sniper fire in Bosnia.

• Florida and Michigan were stripped of national convention delegates after breaking party rules by scheduling their primaries too early. The candidates didn't campaign in them. Yet after Sen. Clinton did well in those states, she pushed to change the rules and count the votes. That's a cynical, self-serving effort to corrupt the selection process.

• Her tendency to tell voters what they want to hear is disturbing. Her proposal to suspend the federal tax on gasoline this summer is campaign gimmickry, not leadership. Her assertion that she was a critic of NAFTA from the beginning is simply unbelievable. The record shows she was an ardent advocate of the trade deal.

Posted by: MARTIN EDWIN ANDERSEN | May 4, 2008 2:19 PM

It is worth noting that the primary in NC and IN and ultimately the election hinge on a bet by two of the candidates that low information voters will believe their preposterous assertions that a "gas tax holiday" will help them pay their fuel bills this summer. Anyone with a high school level education in economics will tell you a gas tax holiday will actually have the effect of raising gasoline prices. The consumer will simply never see a dime and the oil companies will make even higher profits. Not to mention the fact that it might put as many as 300.000 people out of work when the country is reeling from job losses or drive our debt even higher. It is simply impossible to even suggest that such a measure could be introduced much less pass through congress before the end of the summer given nobody but McCain and Clinton support it in congress. We are witnessing an epic and historic clash of old and new politics, one rooted in pander and deception of the past and one with the promise of truth and transparency.My vote is for Senator Obama

Posted by: Deward Bowles | May 4, 2008 2:20 PM

I think the person in the audience who made less than 25k per year said it best in her question:

"Call me crazy but I actually listen to economists because I think they know what they've studied."

Posted by: Jason | May 4, 2008 2:21 PM

The crazy thing is that turns outHillary might have made a decent wack job populist. Too bad it is hypocritical posturing. Obama was superb and presidential.

Posted by: bman | May 4, 2008 2:22 PM

Why can't people see that Hillary Clinton is poison to both the party and the country? Why are so many of my fellow Democrats still happily drinking cyanide-laced punch? Why not re-focus ourselves onto something positive?

Posted by: Mark | May 4, 2008 2:26 PM

Is Hillary Clinton auditioning for McCain's VP as part of GWB's third term?

Economists definitely do not know as much as they think, but completely ignoring their advice has been part of Bush's disastrous policy for the last 7 years.

Iran has no nuclear weapons and is unlikely to have any in the next decade. Israel has over a hundred nuclear warheads and the missiles to deliver them. Just why is Clinton about to obliterate Iran?

Posted by: Syah Qazi | May 4, 2008 2:29 PM

Now, I finally get it.

Hillary is not ...running against...Obama....

But...as an...Alternative...to McCain.

Posted by: Beth | May 4, 2008 2:31 PM

Syah Ouzy, yes, she seems to be doing just this. I can't understand these blue-collar white workers, who lost their manufactoring jobs under Clinton-Bush joined dymnasty, but still want to vote Clintons back. Very self-disrespectful, is it not?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 4, 2008 2:34 PM

Obama wants to negotiate with Iran, but war-monger Hillary wants to obliterate the Iranians, risking a 3rd World War.
Which do you prefer?

Posted by: Bodo | May 4, 2008 2:35 PM

On the gas tax Clinton's statement was just typical Washington politician pandering.

The bottom line with her plan is that consumers will see at most a 17.8 cent per gallon reduction in price -- or the equivalent of about $18 over the course of the summer months. That is assuming that oil companies don't simply raise prices to account for the gas tax waiver, and simply pocket the additional profits.

It's not the "elite" opinion makers who are rebutting Clinton -- it's anyone with basic algebra skills and an understanding of the supply and demand curve. I know, and she knows, that she knows better. Yet she just lies in our faces.

Posted by: JP2 | May 4, 2008 2:40 PM

Tobias: Clinton may be a smart politician, but the gas tax BS shows lack of integrity. I have no doubt she knows that is bad policy. Even as politics it is a gamble - but she needs to take a risk in order to win alla Lombardi. It's the ONLY thing, right?

Posted by: FrankM | May 4, 2008 2:41 PM

Obama said he tried to use the controversy surrounding Wright's statements "to construct a conversation about issues of race." . . ????!!!!

All the while he's busy race-baiting Hillary's Campaign. The way Obama denigrated so many good people, accusing them of playing race cards has been very divisive for our nation. The way he race-baited Hillary's campaign, accusing them, attacking them about playing race cards. Attacking Bill Clinton, one of the best Presidents in America on black issues; or, Geraldine Ferraro, who has been the point person on so many social programs that benefitted blacks -- how shameful of Obama. His actions have indeed been divisive ( a la Rev. Wright ).

That's no way to have a constructive conversation about race issues.

Posted by: Coldcomfort | May 4, 2008 2:42 PM

Senator Obama has lost his halo and he is trying to get it back but once it's faded, it can't be recovered. Tim Russert, self-designated spokesperson for the Obama campaign, tried to help him this morning. You can tell he thinks Obama is mortally wounded by the questions he asked. Russert seemed like he was afraid he was going to hurt Obama's feelings. It was so nauseating ..I can't believe I watched even part of it. It's that kind of press coverage that has made Barack Obama the rock star he used to be. As we all know, those huge rallies (the 35,000 in Philly) did not turn into votes. The young people just wanted to attend a rock concert.

Obama will never win the votes of the white middle class because they just don't like him but even more they don't trust the MSM who have pushed him from the beginning. When has the MSM ever been right about anything? They also pushed George Bush and every day trashed Al Gore and John Kerry. And look at what George Bush has done to our country. We are practically a third world country and would be already if China hadn't loaned us billions of dollars. They'll want that back soon and then we'll be in big trouble. Where were the great econimists then? Telling us to buy bigger houses and to get ARMs because they were such a good deal.

At least Senator Clinton is trying to give publicity to the outrageous profits the oil companies are making and why shouldn't they pay the taxes on the gasoline for a few months. What have the economists like Alan Greenspan done for this country? They've allowed Wall Street insiders to make billions in the last 8 years. Who would listen to them....they know what they're doing alright. It just has nothing to do with the interests of the average tax payer.

Posted by: hazwalnut | May 4, 2008 2:53 PM

barack gets his love and kisses softball questions from timmy on meet the press...
maybehe shined his shoes too. The nbc clowns have done more to set back real coverage of the presidential race than any coverage in history. The N o B ill C linton
network is a disgrace except for Joe Scarborough (minus Meka the fluff tart and Willie PoulterGeist. They should be on Fixed Noise. These two candidates can't win without a ticket with both on it. Hillary/Obama is the best choice, but if she isn't at least on it, he will lose.

Posted by: DDT | May 4, 2008 2:55 PM

Obama's Odyssey has required him to steer very delicately on race issues. I felt his speech was brilliantly positive and realistic. Wright posed a huge contextual problem since Whites don't get that style, and Wright wasn't about to change it. It wouldn't have worked for pragmatist Hillary to take the low road on Wright. Obama did what was necessary, both politically and to promote better race relations.

Posted by: FrankM | May 4, 2008 2:58 PM

If my grandmother was still alive, she would say the difference between Hilary and Obama is like chalk and cheese. If you are hungry for positive change and a better American we can be proud of, and turn over to our kids with confidence, satisfy that hunger with cheese (Obama). Or if you prefer eat you can eat the chalk to fill a void and be constipated as a result, like we are now with Bush.

Posted by: tydicea | May 4, 2008 2:58 PM

Hillary has solutions and experience and did well this morning on TV. Farmers & truckers benefit greatly (middle class)from a gas tax break that the oil companies would pay for and Obama has no answer? Easy-Vote- CLINTON!

Posted by: robin | May 4, 2008 3:01 PM

There is increase probability of Israel dropping a nuclear weapon on Iran than Iran dropping nuclear weapon on Israel. Israel is estimated to have over 200 hundred nuclear warheads, Iran estimate having nuclear warheads is none. Thank about it.

Posted by: mike lewis | May 4, 2008 3:06 PM

Barack Obama has no backbone.

He refused to debate Hillary Clinton because he said he was too busy but has gone on show after show, where he had an interviewer who was biased in his favor.

He has chosen to take interviews with laid back interviewers who ask softball questions as though they are afraid to hurt his feelings or be called racist.

Hillary Clinton on the other hand has taken interviews with those who oppose her and interviewers that will ask hard questions without worrying about her feelings.
She even took questions from the audience. She is strong and the interviewers seem to sense that she can handle a hard interview.

This is why Obama refused the debate. He cannot answer hard questions without prepared answers. This is where you can see the honesty in the candidates.

When you believe what you are saying you have no difficulty answering questions.
You don't have to plan an answer because you just answer with the truth as Hillary Clinton does.
If you don't believe what you are saying it requires alot of thought to figure out what you should say.

Hillary Clinton is the only candidate that actually knows what she is talking about and is therefore able to stand up against popular opinion and speak out for Americans. She has never taken the easy road and said what people want to hear.

She tells you what she thinks, and explains her reasoning in detail. Obama gives inconclusive answers that can be interpreted in many ways.

Hillary Clinton is the best hope for an America of Peace and Prosperity.

Posted by: cheryl | May 4, 2008 3:16 PM

Clinton's definition of an "elitist" is anybody with an education beyond sixth grade. What are the income qualifications, though? Averaging less than $10 million per year?

Her favorite word, this week....

Posted by: tom | May 4, 2008 3:21 PM

Obama hasn't said how he would act with the problem.
If Iran attacks Israel, What would do Obama? maybe talk and talk?

It's too late to continue to want "change" something, when they first should have changed his mentor, guide spiritual and Reverend, so many years ago ...

Go Hillary !!!

Posted by: Nuccia | May 4, 2008 3:23 PM

Of all the enemies of Black Americans, the most heinous is the coconut. The coconut hates you with a passion that defies reason. Take another look at him. A close look!!!

Posted by: Hedcutter | May 4, 2008 3:31 PM

tom: "elitist" - maybe one of Hillary's classmates with whom I had dinner: a successful surgeon who said many of her class were a lot smarter. Rhodes scholar Bill is elite. Hillary used to be an elitist who dissed women who baked chocolate chip cookies - then she became a politician and baked out of sheer pragmatism.

Posted by: FrankM | May 4, 2008 3:32 PM

We cannot see the forest for the trees. Obama is new and fresh which is what we need. We have already seen the Bushs' and the Clintons' and where are we now? They have nothing new to show us. Hillary thinks she can do this all by herself---"I will do this I will do that etc". We need someone who is truthful and straight forward (Obama). We need a clean slate.

Posted by: rita | May 4, 2008 3:33 PM

Hillary Clinton may just cost the Democratic Party the election. She is divisive, intolerant, and says anything the polls suggest she should. She hasn't made a stand on anything. She supported NAFTA before she became a candidate. Now she says she doesn't. She voted for the war, but now she says she's against it. She claims she didn't read the intelligence estimate. She voted in a willfully uninformed manner - which doesn't bode well for her qualification to be president. Now she wants to make a symbolic gesture by removing the gas tax that pays for our highway infrastructure. That is simply irresponsible, political pandering. Her campaign doesn't pay it's bills on time. Is this the kind of person you want in the Oval Office making decisions about the economy? She lied about her experience, including the famous sniper fire episode. Yet she is relentless in attacking Barack Obama over issues that are not substantive, and her supporters attack him with innuendos, such as calling him a muslim. She lacks integrity. Her experience is a sham. Her attempts to steal a nomination that she has almost no chance of winning are proof that she has put herself before the good of her party and her country. I do not oppose a woman as president, I simply oppose THIS ONE. If she damages her opponent and party too much, the one who benefits from her selfish ambition will be John McCain. If she steals the nomination, the backlash will make her utterly unelectable.

Posted by: Common Sense | May 4, 2008 3:46 PM

This thread is supposed to be about the proposed gas tax holiday. Getting back to the topic: Senator Clinton does not propose to force oil companies to lower their prices to reflect the tax holiday -- instead they will be free to charge us as much as ever for gas, and pocket the difference. As they can, during the summer peak demand -- they charge what the market will bear. So Exxon makes more profits, Clinton gets another Crown Royal moment, and we get ... that thing between the transmission and the differential.

Posted by: Dave in Albuquerque | May 4, 2008 3:47 PM

Can anyone name 1 economist that promotes Hillary's summer tax cut? Unfortunately there are no, because it doesn't make sence. First of all 'let the companies pay the tax' is ridicuously naive! What do companies do with ALL (additional) costs? They allocate it by increasing the price which the consumer pays. That oil companies make billions of dollars is true, but they have always made billions of dollars! The increased US gasoline prices reflect an increased international oil price. Hillary is once again doing anything to win the nomination, and to INDIANA 'Vote Obama 2008' because saving in 3 months a maximum of 18 dollars would cost you guys a loss of thousands of construction jobs.

Posted by: Sam | May 4, 2008 3:48 PM

Of all the perils that Black Americans face there is none so serious and deadly as that or the hatred that the coconut has for us. They hate us with a passion that defies reason. There is nothing under the sun that the coconut would not do to remove Black Americans from the quest for the American Dream. NOTHING!!! Take another very close look at this brother/sister.

Posted by: Hedcutter | May 4, 2008 3:49 PM

We need someone who is truthful and straight forward (Obama). We need a clean slate.
Posted by: rita
))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

You have got to be kidding. Truthful and straight forward. Did you see him on Meet the Press? He gave so many contradictory reasons for Rev. Wright it was pathetic. His campaign is all on words. All you hear is that he is taken out of context. Can't this guy simply say what he means and mean what he says. M

Posted by: Anonymous | May 4, 2008 3:52 PM

The gas tax holiday is a horrible idea and it is such obvious pandering. WE NEED TO FOCUS ON FINDING ALTERNATIVE ENERGY SOURCES, NOT SAVING PEOPLE A FEW CENTS A GALLON.

Posted by: Christi | May 4, 2008 3:56 PM

At least Senator Clinton is saying in every way that she does feel the pain at the pump for the middle class. All Senator Obama can do is talk about how her plan will not work. My little son was listening this morning to the news and he said, "What does he want to do?" None of us could answer him. He only seems to concur with her plans (let me emphasize "her plans") or critize them. What exactly does he plan to do that is any different than Senator Clinton's long term plan for the oil companies? At least she did not vote for Chenney's energy package like Senator Obama.

Posted by: cb | May 4, 2008 3:56 PM

If you want $10 a gallon gas, food shortages, water shortages, power shortages, unemployment, a draft, WW III with Iran, death and destruction ...vote for McCain or Hillary.

When the power of love takes over the love of power...only then will we know peace.

A vote for peace is a vote for Obama.

Posted by: shelly | May 4, 2008 3:57 PM

I am taking bets as to what Hillary will come up with to get votes in Kentucky..... It will be interesting. She has pretty much used up everything including amending the Constitution to allow Guam to vote in the general election. She is testing that theory to see if it is popular and then she will promise the same to Puerto Rico. Since low level voters in Indiana don't read, They will never know what a bad idea this gas tax holiday is. We have seen how Hillary intends to fight. A lot like George Bush.
It scares me that so many Republicans including Conservative media is pushing so hard for Hillary to win the primary.
"She will be the best candidate to face McCain in November" they shout. If you believe that I have a piece of swamp land to sell you.

Posted by: Ron | May 4, 2008 3:57 PM

I am amazed that people who don't support Senator Obama are racist but 90 percent of blacks vote for Obama because he is black. If he had inherited the skin tone of his mother's family, the African Americans wouldn't think of voting for him in those numbers. They would want to know a lot more about him. They vote for him because of his skin color. He's not like most of them at all...his childhood was not the same, his education was not the same, his adult life has not been the same.

He is an inexperienced person who seems to be totally lacking in integrity and honesty and we don't know what else will be brought to the surface before November. We do know there's lots of "rumors" floating around on the internet and the press may be waiting to delve into some of those accusations just as they did the Rezko and Jeremiah Wright problems.

A vote for Obama is a vote for McCain. If you think the last 8 years have been great, vote for Obama and you'll get 4 more years of the same via McCain.

Posted by: hazwalnut | May 4, 2008 3:58 PM

I watched Senator Obama this morning on Meet the Press, and he was horrible. He cannot answer a direct question. Tim Russert was so throwing softballs, yet he could not hit anything.

Posted by: kt | May 4, 2008 3:58 PM

Hillary is a liar; its that simple, and that dead. She said she was named Hillary after the conqueror of Everest; yet he was an obscure beekeper when she was born six years before Edmund Hillary reached the top the world. She promoted NAFTA for her husband when he was President; now she's against it. She was the ultimate policy wonk who listened to economists; now she hates economists. She said she landed in Bosnia under sniper fire that did not exist. She was for the Iraqui war fiasco; now she's agin it. How can the American people support a president who
cannot tell truth from fiction?

Posted by: Ray Heard | May 4, 2008 3:59 PM

I am taking bets as to what Hillary will come up with to get votes in Kentucky..... It will be interesting. She has pretty much used up everything including amending the Constitution to allow Guam to vote in the general election. She is testing that theory to see if it is popular and then she will promise the same to Puerto Rico. Since low level voters in Indiana don't read, They will never know what a bad idea this gas tax holiday is. We have seen how Hillary intends to fight. A lot like George Bush.
It scares me that so many Republicans including Conservative media is pushing so hard for Hillary to win the primary.
"She will be the best candidate to face McCain in November" they shout. If you believe that I have a piece of swamp land to sell you.

Posted by: Ron | May 4, 2008 3:59 PM

All I want, at minimum, is that the NEOCONS are out in November. I worry more about the race factor than the gender factor come November and I can't see why all these Republicans and "newly" registered Democrats in Red states are casting their lot almost exclusively with Barak.
The November election will be on a state by state basis, and about 35% of Barak's pledged delegates are from states that are very "RED"!
Previous to the 2004 election Karl Rove put forth a plan to game the Democrat's nomination process. It featured Red state Democratic primaries/caucuses giving delegates to the nominee who would be most vulnerable in November.
The plan had two problems at the time.
1----It was too late to implement for 2004
2----The Southern Red states with primaries that only allowed registered Democrates ( more than half black ) to vote.

By 2007 problem 1 had been solved in places like Wyoming, Idaho, etc, by getting White Republicans to cast votes for Barak.
Problem 2 was solved by getting a "COLORED" man, Barak, to run! BTW, his ascendency to the Senate was realized only because of scandal investigations, first of his democratic primary opponent, then of his opponent for the Senate. Karl Rove is a master at having his opponents "investigated"!

I don't see these "RED" states going for Barak come November. I hope I'm wrong.


Posted by: harried | May 4, 2008 4:01 PM

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Indiana Democratic Primary (May 6) - 72 delegates
North Carolina Democratic Primary (May 6) - 115 delegates
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West Virginia Democratic Primary (May 13) - 28 delegates
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Kentucky Democratic Primary (May 20) - 51 delegates
Oregon Democratic Primary (May 20) - 52 delegates
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Puerto Rico Democratic Primary (June 1) - 55 delegates
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South Dakota Democratic Primary (June 3) - 15 delegates
Montana Democratic Primary (June 3) - 16 delegates
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404 delgates left to be awarded

What would it take for Hillary to win??

Hillary trails Obama by 137 delegates.

404 delgates left - 137 = 267 /2 = 133.5

404 - 133.5 = Hillary needs 270.5 delegates to essentially tie.

270.5/404 = 66.96%

HILLARY MUST WIN ALL STATES by a margin of 66.96% to Obama's 33.04%, to tie in the delegate count.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 4, 2008 4:01 PM

Obama gets asked a question and give an answer.
Hillary, not so much.
Sort of:
"I don't care what the economists say. Trust me!" Likely why her attempt at universal health care failed during her husband's administration.
Isn't this woman capable of dialogging?

Posted by: Shelley | May 4, 2008 4:02 PM

Clinton made it crystal clear she would not hesitate to attack Iran, should Iran attack Israel. The other question that begs to be answered in a reversed not so much of a hypothetical situation is what would she do if Israel first attacked Iran?

Posted by: andre | May 4, 2008 4:03 PM

I guess people do not remember how Bill Clinton's actions in the White House did nothing for Al Gore in 2000. I suppose most people do not remember how the Clintons were investigated from the time they announced their run in 92 until they left in 2001 and continue to be investigated in 2008. I guess the media does not think it is worth any coverage when one of Hillary's main campaign workers goes to jail for election fraud. Then there is White Water, her votes supporting the war, and her inflammatory remarks about Iran. Her affiliations with radicals that make anything Obama has been associated with look like kindergarten stuff. I believe she has been everything from a Republican to a Communist or extreme radical supporter to a Democrat. She has run a poor campaign and much like her lame attempt to ram her version of health care down everyone's throat in 93 that was met with disaster I believe that is exactly how she will try and run her administration. She has all of these plans but has anyone bothered to ask Congress what they think. If it is anything like Congress's reaction to her gas holiday I do not expect her to get much support. This means to me that she will be a continuation of the same old politics with Hillary never getting any support from Republicans and probably not much from her own party. In fact her only successes will be much like Bill's were. Republican initiatives like Nafta and welfare reform that were not supported by his own party. This of course led to more jobs being shipped overseas and less or no money when it comes to us taking care of our own right here in this country. I do not think people should live off of the government. But when we got people hurting with high prices, when we got people dying from bridges collapsing, and when we got graduation rates of just 25 % I think we need to seriously think about helping ourselves for a change instead of playing world cop. That is what we got the UN for. 41 used the UN very successfully. I think 43 should have learned something from his old man instead of worrying about outdoing him. McCain is nothing more than four more years of the same thing. Plus there is nothing straight talking about him that I can see. So let's try something new and go for the guy who grew up a lot like a lot of us did. By the way I am one of those supposedly less educated, older white folks.

Posted by: Jake | May 4, 2008 4:03 PM

I listened to Obama this morning on Meet the Press. He wants long term relief. How long have I been listering to that. That is not change. It is the same crap. Long term is now folks. Try something new at least. We don't have time to wait on Obama.

Posted by: Chief | May 4, 2008 4:04 PM


my note to fellow Obama supporters:

consider, please the possibility that

GOING ON NOW, BEHIND THE SCENES there's a sort of "Crunch-Time" Pressure on Obama from Superdelegates who want some things (they shouldn't be given) in return for their votes---

Obama supporters should consider that, as the MSM has over the past week or two--since the recent re-flare-up of the Reverend Wright fabricated controversy, that is--been presenting Obama as being behind and having to play "catch-up" to HRC, the way is open for Super-delegates to try and capitalize on this moment to pressure Obama's campaign to make concessions in return for their announced support.

That's what the inside political players do--wait for moments when a candidate is placed on the defensive and then put the pressure on to yield to their demands for favorable treatment on their pet projects.

To counter that, to help reduce that sort of insider dealing--which is almost by definition directly against the interests of a mojority of ordinary Americans' needs and desires, these latter can redouble their expressions of support for Obama, reiterate that their support hasn't been dampened by the attempts in much of the national and the partisan press to tie public comments by Reverend Wright (which are his right to make and his business, not Obama's, to answer for) to Obama.

'The game is afoot!' as Holmes would say to Watson when time was of the essence and their adversaries were at work.

The public, which Obama is trying to represent, against all the efforts of the Beltway Establishment to prevent his doing so, has an opportunity now to make its support known when it's reasonable to assume that insider political power-weilders are busy taking advantage of a moment of difficulty to hold him up for favors.

Don't silently stand by and allow that.
Circulate this to your friends and family who support the good things that Obama would _like_ to do, if only the system's heavy-weights weren't allowed to prevent him doing them.

Time to fight! The 'crunch' is on because Indiana and Caroline vote Tuesday. That's why insiders are at work _now_ trying to pressure Obama.

Reflect on that and ACT! to help yourselves, to help each other!

Posted by: proximity1 | May 4, 2008 4:04 PM

I'm glad that poeple are finally beginning to question Obama's motives.Will he bring the Country together like Jimmy Carter or will his policies and followers divide us even further ?? I also question his Patiotism In the light of his wife and his long time connection to his Pastor! I think Hillory is more genuine in her love for this Country.and should be given the chance to prove it.

Posted by: ratdragon | May 4, 2008 4:04 PM

All you Hillary lovers post your venom here to no avail. There is no way she can win. Do the math. If she won every contest from here on, and won 2/3 of the superdelegates, she still doesn't get there. (But Obama does!)

All you're doing is paving an easier (albeit uphill) path for McCain. So quit the facade of being a Hillary "supporter." All the support in the world aint going to cut it.

I'm not posting this to make anyone feel bad, and I know, many of you have been clinging to the hope that Michigan and Florida will come in and save the day. You know though that the opportunity for that has come and gone. You're just making it easier for her to bloody up the front runner for the Republicans, so perhaps she can run in 2012 as the I told you so candidate.

Take your lumps, sigh, maybe even cry. Then go work your butts off for Obama if you want a Democrat in the Whitehouse next January.

Posted by: aBigSAM | May 4, 2008 4:06 PM

I think the reason why so many young people love Obama is that they are too young to remember the Carter years. Carter was a young, idealistic nice guy and argueably the worst president we ever had. You don't get very far as the leader of a superpower if you base your foreign policy on being Mr. Nice guy. Too bad Obama was raised by his granparents and went to private schools. He missed out on the lesson that chatting with a bully only increases your risk of getting beaten up.

Posted by: Karl | May 4, 2008 4:12 PM

Today Hillary defends her "obliterate Iran" comment
on ABC's Sunday morning program "This Week".
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

Obliterate Iran !! Talk about saber rattling...wow. Sounds like Hillary is pandering to the Israeli lobby for votes because the issue has no practical significance for US policy. Israel has enough nuclear weapons to "obliterate" Iran themselves if they so chose. Notice she brings up that Media beaten-to-death mistranslation by Ahmadinejad when he referred to wiping out the regime NOT the people of Israel . Now she has topped him in irresponsible rhetoric by saying she would obliterate the people of Iran.

A presidential candidate who lightly commits to obliterating Iran - and, thus, all the children, parents, and grandparents in Iran -- should NOT get our vote. Obama is the one who has the integrity, judgment and vision to run this country and to repair our world image.

Posted by: Kristin2 | May 4, 2008 4:13 PM

Abigsam: I would rather have no one in the white house than Barack Obama, which come to think of it would be about the same. Anyone who saw him on meet the press with his surrogate campaign manager Tim Russert could see how utterly stupid this man is. Hillary could knock him out with one punch. He is by far the most effeminate man I've ever seen run for president. Good grief. How could any man vote for him?

Posted by: hazwalnut | May 4, 2008 4:13 PM

Hillary knows her history backward and forward! She answered hard questions and came out with positive answers, even when she was questioned about her honesty. God forbid Obama being questioned with hard questions. I turned NBC off my list long ago. Timmy can't stand Hillary but oozes over Obama. What a fluff ball he was today. Can you imagine him sitting, leaning into Hillary and displaying a kind voice while asking her questions? Never!! I have checked the comments and find Cheryl's comment right on the money.

Posted by: Lucille | May 4, 2008 4:13 PM

Jake
They, the right wing nuts, ( I believe 6 or 7 of the thirteen managers had affairs themselves) had a $60 million dollar investigation. Nothing too White Water, nothing proven against the Clintons except lying about sex to the grand jury. Not to lie about a sexual affair by a man is pure un-American. Man, read the Starr Report and get your facts straight.
It is hard to tell if you are one of those right win nuts or an Obamanuts. You're about the same. Clueless unless someone tells you how to think.

Posted by: Chief | May 4, 2008 4:16 PM


Clinton:

Gimmick: the holiday tax...more appropriately a Republican trick...double talk. Shame on a Democrat to stoop to that level.

Lies: Sniper fire....three times said.

The right wingers cheer for Clinton......Rush ask that people vote for her.....

She accused the right wingers of a conspiracy against her husband....now she courts their support::situational morality.....a shame not to have moral fortitude.

Obama will bring the country together...will bring the bright side of this country.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 4, 2008 4:21 PM

Hillary's motto: Have stupid people vote for me. Because only stupid people believe what she is pandering. We will soon see whether smart people, you know those elitist who actually have intelligence and realize the tripe she is peddling is only to get votes. (Chances of any gas tax holiday during a HRC administration:zero)Only in America do we pander to the lowest common denominator. Just look at where it got us the last 8 years. The stupid voted for Dubya and now we entrust them to make the right decision again? Come on people, you know what the right decision is. Stand up on principle and do not vote for HRC, because she is just another pandering, lying Washington politician. Guess what also if gas is 3.62 now, and you subtract 19 cents, you have gas STILL at 3.43, what happens if gas keeps rising? Anyone ask HRC? Where is the break then?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 4, 2008 4:24 PM

From Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/05/hillary-says-that-regarding-rev-wright.html

"Sunday, May 04, 2008
Hillary Says That Regarding Rev. Wright, "We Should Move On"

Today, during a Town Hall meeting presented by "This Week with George Stephanopoulos", an extremely poised and articulate Indianapolis voter, Michelle Skinner, a Republican, posed a beautifully targeted question to Clinton:

"Sen. Clinton, my question is: Do you think the discourse, the controversy going on with Rev. Wright, do you think this is relevant to Obama and his policy? Do you think this has accomplished anything or should we drop it, should we move on?"

Clinton: (trapped): "Well, we should definitely move on."

In this case--let's take her at her word.

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/05/hillary-says-that-regarding-rev-wright.html

Posted by: Robert Hewson | May 4, 2008 4:25 PM

I watched both programs. The attitude of the host toward Clinton could only be described as mean. Totally lack of civility. Clinton stand much higher than her questioner. Tim Russert deserve a suspension by slapping Obama in the wrist and winked several times during the interview. The question is probably submitted by Obama himself.

As of the gas price issue, for the first time, a presidential candidate has speak out against economists in general and return to common sense governance. The advice of economists is the worst one can get about economy. The subjective of economy has nothing to do with real economy: the name is very misleading. I am glad someone get it right at last.

Posted by: God Father | May 4, 2008 4:26 PM

The same people who say the gas tax holiday won't save each individual much money are the same who say we need some such and such tax increase. Heck, it will cost each taxpapyer so little they probably won't even notice it. Well, it adds up. An extra 15 or 20 dollars a month can come in handy for those living paycheck to paycheck.

Posted by: John | May 4, 2008 4:29 PM

hazeknut,
Real men vote for Hillary. And like doing it too.

Posted by: John | May 4, 2008 4:32 PM

The Morons who think others are stupid in fact the ones who are really stupid. They believe in authority because they are not equipped to think. "Oh, those economists said the gas tax holiday don't work." Let me tell you the probability that an economist get a thing right is less than 50%. The probability of two economists get a thing right is less than 30%. The larger the number of economists, the more chance for them to screw-up.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 4, 2008 4:38 PM

So I'm wondering why Russert, the Washington Post, NYT, and much of the rest of the East Coast media elite is so all fired anxious to get Obama elected? Because they know Clinton would be a much tougher customer to deal with?

Posted by: JOhn | May 4, 2008 4:39 PM

Why any working-class individual would believe that the Clintons, with their 109 MILLION DOLLARS raked in in the last 6 years, would have a better understanding of the economic challenges facing working families than someone like Barack Obama (who has made only a tiny fraction of the Clinton's haul), is beyond me.

When will Americans wise up and stop voting on knee-jerk divisive non-issues, like gun control, abortion, gay marriage, and RACE, and start voting on their own best economic interests instead?

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that someone who has made more than 100 MILLION DOLLARS over the past 6 years is completely out of touch with families living from paycheck to paycheck.

Case in point: Clinton's 'photo opportunity' stunt where she rode along with a worker who was going to a gas station to fill up his truck. Clinton admitted she hasn't had to pay for gas, let alone pump her own, in years and years. She hasn't a clue as to what challenges the economy is presenting for Americans.

Her 'gas tax holiday' ploy is nothing more than that - a political shell game meant to buy votes. But think of the bridge collapse last year in Minnesota and decide for yourself... do we really need to suspend the gas tax to save each driver only $20 or $30 over the course of the entire summer, while taking that money away from our road and bridges maintenance? And how many road workers will be laid off as a result?

The problem isn't that gas prices include a tax; it is that greedy oil companies are making BILLIONS of dollars in profit every quarter. Solve the problem: investigate the price fixing and collusion and fine the oil companies HEAVILY with a windfall profit tax to reduce the price at the pump!

Clinton is just playing Rovian political games to buy votes, and is betting that Americans are dumb enough to fall for it and elect her.

Posted by: Don't be a fool...vote smart! | May 4, 2008 4:40 PM

Tim of Meet the Press was so mild and bland in his interview, showed such partiality and preference for Obam, that the show can't be called an "interview" but a chat among friends.

The "interview" was tailored to fit Obama's lack of political experience and vacuous political ideas. There was no effort to press him on issues.

Compare that with Georgy's attack to Hillary masqueraded as interview on This Week. The audience was prohibited to clap even at the end of the program. The whole program was an opportunity for him to inflict on her the most vicious attack to her persona and integrity, calling her a lier right in her face.

But it doesn't matter. Hillary is too intelligent. She always comes across strong, secure in her political knowledge. She kicked georgy's butt; and when you compare her performance to Obama's, she always makes him look naive, inexperienced and superficial.

Now, Obama wants the race to be determined by the superdelegates. First, when Hillary was ahead in the popular vote, he said the delegates were the only one that mattered. When he got more popular votes, then he said the delegates must vote like the people. Now that it's all too close, he goes back to say that it's the delegates or superdelegates that matters.

Just as he said that Rev. Wright was like familiy and then today said "And I--you know, some, some of the reporting that implies that somehow he's my spiritual advisor or mentor, as he himself said, overstated things.", he lies, denies, and flip-flops.

No wonder John Kerry adopted him.

Posted by: thetruth | May 4, 2008 4:42 PM

George W. Bush and Barack Obama.

Who says America is not stupid enough to make the same mistake twice? God help us from incompetent "uniters" who know how to change Washington.

Posted by: Larry | May 4, 2008 4:42 PM

Subsidizing gas use when gas prices are high and during summer-driving is just stupid.

I studied economics and I know that cutting the gas tax will encourage consumption AND reduce investment in new technologies, making the people WORSE OF in the long run.

What's the solution after people use more gas and have less alternatives to gas? Subsidize cars? An SUV-tax holiday?

Nice try at changing the debate, I hope Obama will keep talking about change in Washington, no more Clintons, no more George Bushes.

Posted by: eljefejesus | May 4, 2008 4:45 PM

THE IRAN ISSUE; US Congress and Senators who voted for the war in Iraq, gave the Iran gov't a free hand to operate inside Iraq. when the bombs were hitting Iraq , the Iran gov.t top leadership and our federal private defense contractors had a smile in their face. Now we have three problems that will affect our national treasury, Iran,Afghanistan and Iraq.

Posted by: Reynaldo | May 4, 2008 4:45 PM

Change Washington!
Throw the bumbs out!

"No more Clintons!
No more George Bushes!"

Posted by: eljefejesus | May 4, 2008 4:47 PM

McClinton, no way.

Obama 08!

Posted by: john | May 4, 2008 4:52 PM

Friday, May 2nd 2008, 9:26 AM

Hillary Clinton won the endorsement of the Indianapolis Star, Indiana's largest daily newspaper, in the state's Democratic presidential primary, which is May 6.

The newspaper made the endorsement after interviewing Clinton and Barack Obama, a first-term Illinois senator. In an editorial today, the newspaper said Clinton was "well prepared for the rigors of the White House."

"She is tough, experienced and realistic about what can and cannot be accomplished on the world stage," the newspaper said.

The endorsement praised Clinton's "nuanced positions on how to address the war in Iraq, trade with China and economic expansion" and said she had a "remarkable" depth of knowledge.

The Star said Obama's "inexperience in high office is a liability" even as he offers "an attractive vision for the way things could be."

Posted by: Fred | May 4, 2008 4:53 PM

WHEN ASKED TO NAME JUST ONE, JUST ONE ECONOMIST HILLARY WENT BLANK. THERE IS NOT ONE ECONOMIST WHO BACKS HER CHRISTMAS IN SUMMER GASOLINE BREAK TO GET VOTES.
SHE TREATS CITIZENS AS THOUGH THEY ARE TOO STUPID TO DEMAND THE BACKING OF ECONOMISTS FOR HER CHRISMAS GASOLINE JOB. SHE IS EFFECTIVELY TELLING THEM THAT BEING STUPID AND GULLIBLE IS GOOOOOOOOD. WHEN PRESSED TO NAME JUST ONE ECONOMIST SHE PUT EVERYTHING BUT THE KITCHEN SINK INTO HER ANSWER EXCEPT ONE NAME.. HEY, SHE TELLS HER DUMMY FOLLOWERS"WE DON'T WANT ANY ECONOMISTS RUNNING OUR SHOW." IT' UP TO US TO TRICK THEM INTO VOTING FOR US.

A VOTE FOR HILLARY IS A VOTE FOR STUPIDITY.

Posted by: ODETTE 2 | May 4, 2008 4:53 PM

This race is over mathematically. The DNC is worried about the 500 or so Clinton black superdelegates who have said if Clinton doesnt quit if she loses NC they will support Obama and push him over the 2025. Why isnt this being reproted by anyone other than FOX.

Posted by: neocon | May 4, 2008 4:54 PM

It's hard to believe an 18 cents a gallon reduction in gasoline prices is going to encourage anyone to consume more or go out an buy an SUV when they don't already have one. It's really more symbolic than anything. It points out that Clinton is willing to use whatever tools she has, however imperfect, as opposed to Obama's pontificating and intellectualizing.

Posted by: John | May 4, 2008 4:56 PM

TheTruth: I saw Obama on Meet the Press, also, and if I ever hear another "uh" or "you know", I'm going to go nuts. Contrast that with Hillary Clinton's appearance on "This Week" this morning, which I also saw thanks to Tivo, and the difference is telling. Obama is always searching for the next lie, I mean, word. Hillary speaks with a confidence that comes when one is extremely conversant with the issues.

Posted by: Fred | May 4, 2008 4:56 PM

Gas-tax-holiday?

Sounds like another old-fashioned Washington-insider "solution" like Hillary's 1992 universal health-care reform failure.

Fool me once, Washington, shame on you.
Bush-clinton-Clinton-Bush-Bush-throw the bumbs out!

Posted by: eljefejesus | May 4, 2008 4:58 PM

This country's infrastructure is crumbling from decades of neglect. Having the gas tax in effect during all those years did not prevent the neglect - but it prevented the neglect from being substantially worse! Suspending this vital source of revenue even temporarily will simply accelerate the decline of our overburdened transportation system. We need to keep the tax and focus on finding more efficient ways to use the revenue. If the tax gets suspended, don't go calling your Department of Transportation to complain about squat, because your request for assistance will be DEFERRED, just like the tax revenue.

How can we rationalize rebuilding Iraq's infrastructure when our own is crumbling beneath us, above us, and all around us?

How smart are our elected officials when they willfully ignore the advice of professionals. The American Society of Civil Engineers has warned us of the consequences of disrupting the flow of revenue generated by the tax of gasoline. Perhaps I can give Ms. Clinton a pass for claiming that economists are elitists, because there's a lot of hocus-pocus involved in economics. Not so with engineering. If someone says a bridge needs X amount of dollars to be spent of rehab or else it will fail, then you'd better pay to fix the bridge. It's quite simple. Why the heck should we listen to a candidate who won't heed professional advice? Does she think she's smarter than everybody else? Oh, wait, the elitist is SUPPOSED to be Mr. Obama. I don't want any of these candidates inspecting bridges, but I want one who will hire a professional to tell them what needs to be done, and then to take that person's advice.

Posted by: use_your_head | May 4, 2008 4:59 PM

O'REILLY INTERVIEWS HILLARY


Bill O'Reilly; Today, I have former First Lady, Hillary Clinton with us. Ms Clinton, could you please tell us why you want to repeal the gas tax this summer?

Hillary; Certainly Bill. It wil save the average poor and middle class American each over $17,500 in taxes this summer based on their net annual income of $189,000.

O'Reilly; That's ridiculous Ms Clinton. The poor and middle class won't even make $189,000 over the span of 10 years. By all professional economist's accounts, your plan will only save the average person $28 dollars this summer.

Hillary; That's ridiculous Bill. Of course poor and middle class families make $189,000 a year. Bill and I make $11,000,000 a year, and that's just what we report. If you include our international scams and our kickbacks from being in Washington, we make close to $85,000,000 per year. So if we can make that much, the average poor family CERTAINLY makes $189,000 every year. Are you trying to say that Bill and I are out of touch with the poor and middle class Americans?!?!?

O'Reilly; Absolutely not Hillary. You sound like you have your finger on the pulse of America. Now Ms Clinton, please tell us why you are most qualified to be the president.

Hillary; Why that's easy. Because I am a war hero.

O'Reilly; You were in the war?

Hillary; What rock have *you* been hiding under. I'm a WAR HERO. Want me to spell that out for you?

O'Reilly; Which war were you in?

Hillary; Pretty much all of them.

O'Reilly; All of them? Okay, describe your heroics.

Hillary; That's easy. First of all, I was awarded the Medal of Honor during World War 2, after I single handedly shot down 5 German dive bombers from a bunker in Normandy.

O'Reilly; But Normandy happened 3 years *BEFORE* you were even *BORN*.

Hillary; I can't explain it either. All I know is the facts speak for themselves. And then during the Civil War I was a high ranking Captain and led a battalion ...

O'Reilly; Excuse me. But what *facts" are we citing here? And the Civil War.. That was during the 1800s... Your *father* wasn't even born!

Hillary; Are you calling me a liar? Are you challenging my credibility here because I am a WOMAN?

O'Reilly; No, no..

Hillary; ARE YOU TRYING TO OPPRESS ME? ARE YOU TRYING TO STIFLE WOMENS VOTING RIGHTS?!? ARE YOU TRYING TO DRAG US BACK TO THE DAYS OF BEING BAREFOOT AND PREGNANT?!?!?!

O'Reilly; You've got this all wrong...

Hillary; ALL RIGHT BUSTER! YOU WANT WAR, YOU GOT WAR! MY HUSBAND HAPPENS TO KNOW A LOT OF POWERFUL PEOPLE IN HIGH PLACES.. AND FOR YOU TO CALL ME A LYING CHEATING DELUSIONAL OLD HAG WHO SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO VOTE IS.. IS.. IS.... SHAME ON YOU BILL O'Reilly!!!!!

Chelsea; Is the interview over with Mommy?

Hillary; Oh shut up chelsea, you don't even have an opinion. Of course this interview's over!! I have NEVER been so insulted... LET'S BLOW THIS JOINT!

O'Reilly; Hey Sean? Why don't we cancel the interview with Bill Clinton next week. Bill and Hillary wanted to use this show to come out of the closet and announce their being conservative Republicans. But now thinking about it, I don't think I want them on our side. They can do more damage as Democrats.

Hannity; You got it boss. Can I cancel Chelsea too? She's a little momma's girl rich b*tch elitist snob. I don't like her.

O'Reilly; I don't like any of them. See if you can get the Terminator back. I like Aaaanold. He's funny.

Posted by: BOB | May 4, 2008 5:00 PM

"Senator Clinton is trying to give publicity to the outrageous profits the oil companies are making and why shouldn't they pay the taxes on the gasoline for a few months."

Doesn't anyone have the time to go look it up and realize that the gas tax is paid by the oil companies NOW -- and that is exactly why it won't work to suspend it, because they don't have to pass those savings on to consumers?

Posted by: Jamiw | May 4, 2008 5:02 PM

So Hillary wants us to ignore the advice from economic experts on the matter and listen to the people who want short term gratification and do not have a clue about how our economy works.

Well, I think we already have a moron in office, do we need more?

Posted by: jlm062002 | May 4, 2008 5:02 PM

Don't Be a Fool: First of all, the Clintons earned $109m over 8 years and they paid $50M in taxes and gave $10M to charity. They were left with about $50 million, or $6M a year. Not peanuts but I'll bet you're a sports fan and those tall skinny guys who play with balls and sometimes throw them into hoops make 10 times that much. Just to put things in perspective. And apparently you don't get it that Senator Clinton is trying to bring attention to the fact that oil companies are making huge profits while we little guys are paying all the taxes as well as their profits. Why not make them pay for at least the taxes for a few months? So maybe it won't make us rich, it will help some people and for some it would be a lot more than $28, Barack Obama is not good with figures. Come to think of it, he's not good with much of anything.

Posted by: hazwalnut | May 4, 2008 5:03 PM

.18 of your tax dollars at waste (washington waste) will encourage consumption psychologically, from $4.00/gallon to $3.82 a gallon and the time it takes to get there.

What's next, an SUV-tax holiday?

Throw the bums out.
No more Iraq lies, no more Bosnia lies.

North Carolina is a must-win for Clinton, because she's supposed to be catching up, not falling behind!

That became a problem for her when her team led her to 10 losses in a row after Super Tuesday... I wouldn't want to be a clinton staffer now... except for all the money they made off of her...

Posted by: eljefejesus | May 4, 2008 5:03 PM

My name is Raul Pedraza I am a Cuban American U.S. Army veteran, my grandfather Rafael fought in the WW1 in the battle of the Marne, my son Jorge just returned from Iraq after having served proudly in the 82nd Airborne in Tikrit.

I am very proudly married to a wonderful African American woman.

I have absolutely no doubt about Barack Obama's patriotism and find him inspirational and ready to become Commander in Chief. I prefer the candidate of true integrity who can admit a mistake unlike Hillary and her vote for the Iraq war and sniper fire stories. Supporting John McCain will merely let the disastrous results of the George W. years continue to drag us down.

I use my real name in this blog instead of a pseudonym because I am very proud to be supporting Barack Obama for President and wish to dispel a few of the myths that the media continually pours down our throats. No not all Cubans support the Republicans, No not all Latinos favor Hillary over Barack, No not all Army veterans are for John McCain though we do honor his sacrifice it does not make him uniquely qualified to be our leader.

I have contributed all the hard earned dollars legally allowed me to support the man whom I had the great privilege of meeting at an inner city youth center in Miami's Overtown neighborhood.

Barack Obama is the real deal folks and I pray our great nation is smart enough to give us a President of integrity and Intellect two traits sorely missing as of late.

Again my name is Raul Pedraza and I wholeheartedly support Barack Obama for President of the Untied States.

Posted by: Raul Pedraza | May 4, 2008 5:03 PM

Thank you Barack Obama for standing up for my best long term interests. It is not going unnoticed.

!Thank You!

Posted by: Indiana Voter | May 4, 2008 5:03 PM

I agree with Obama that the Gas Tax Holiday is just a band-aide solution to a much larger and troublesome issue; we are running out of cheap and plentiful petroleum and there are no immediate solutions. We should have been preparing (making fundamental changes in our energy consumption and production) decades ago!

Instead, we have continued to waste energy; energy that could have been applied towards developing realistic energy alternatives. Indeed, the Oil Party is over and none of our corporate bought politicians have a viable plan!

Clinton is just trying to buy votes; business as usual!

It's noteworthy to mention that Bill Clinton vetoed drilling in ANWR during his presidency!

http://klintons.com

Posted by: Bob | May 4, 2008 5:05 PM

Head of State's post sounds very similar to Obama's entire campaign. This post lacks any substance just like Obama's campaign. Some, understandably, will be lured in to his captivating speeches, and promises of change, but most should look for substance. Obama, just like the other candidates wants America to prosper as a whole, they want no war, they want a booming economy, health care for all it's citizens and an education system that can not be topped. Everyone should agree these things should be on the list of to-do's for any presidential hopeful.
It is how they plan to do it that the people should be voting on. Obama has not elaborated on any of his plans to make these goals happen. In his defense neither have the other candidates. Point being, the luster of his speeches and the substance of his plans do not come from the same part of his brain. Being a good speaker does not a good president make!!

Posted by: Jon Lee | May 4, 2008 5:06 PM

Re: '150 Economists opposing suspension of gas tax for summer. Link here: http://www.politico.com/static/PPM43_080502_list_gastax.html'

I encourage everyone to read this statement, and exercise a bit of logic when reading it. This letter addresses the McCain proposal, not the Clinton proposal. It is not responsive to the Clinton proposal:

Clinton is not trying to change the market price of oil, but to give people a bit of relief as they adjust to spiraling prices.

Clinton's major initiatives on energy address dependence on foreign oil.

The whole point of Clinton's holiday plan is to provide a little relief immediately.

Her plan would not affect the deficit, and by shifting the tax to oil companies, the road trust fund would not lose any money.

Don't be fooled by the list of 'expert economists' -- many many on that list have an Obama ax to grind and are no more above distorting the facts of Clinton's plan than Obama is.

Economists have politics too!

Posted by: Kal | May 4, 2008 5:06 PM

Barack seems to pause to collect his thoughts before speaking. Hillary seems to shoot from the hip. Shooting from the hip exudes an air of confidence. But you'd better hope you hit your target. I don't think we need more "shoot first and ask questions later" foreign or domestic policy. Thinking before you speak exudes an air of intelligence. Barack knows what can happen when you shoot from the hip (anyone here "bitter"?). Thinking before speaking is not a bad trait if the result is the correct solution. Read my previous comment about HRC. I think she's over-confident. Kinda like Mr. Bush.

Posted by: use_your_head | May 4, 2008 5:07 PM

JaimiW: Again you're just listening to what the MSM is telling you. Senator Clinton has introduced a bill in Congress that would take away money from the oil companies to pay for the tax relief. Now, it's true that Nancy Pelosi, who is also enamored with Barack Obama and an ardent supporter of same, has said she doesn't want the bill to come to the floor for vote. She doesn't want to embarrass her guy. So we'll just have to get rid of Nancy Pelosi next year if she doesn't reconsider. If she isn't really a Democrat, then we should have someone else as speaker of house. We gave her a chance and she has failed miserably.

Posted by: hazwalnut | May 4, 2008 5:09 PM

a war with iran just might drag in russia and possibly china..i don't think these countries who are very close to iran will just let us do what we want..and how is clinton talking about nafta when she pushed for it to pass.

Posted by: tom | May 4, 2008 5:10 PM

Goldfarb writes insightfully "'This [issue][the Gas Tax holiday] defines, I think, the difference between myself and Senator Clinton,' Obama said, calling her proposal 'a classic Washington gimmick.'"

Yes, it does. While Obama and Clinton will talk to people face to face, will listen as they are told by work-a-day Americans of real troubles, Barack, as an excuse for his usual inaction, defers to economists who as a group have predicted 10 of the last two recessions, totally missed with a few exceptions like Nouriel Roubini the current housing bubble/crisis, and never saw the last stock market bubble!

Clinton, after listening to the same stories, takes to heart not self-appointed experts, not economists but a leading light of her own party: none other than Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

From 1929 through 1932, the nation watched four years of no-business-accomplished meetings which produced the same sort of economic pontification and justifications for inaction by Herbert Hoover. This as the greatest economic disaster to visit our nation, The Great Depression, grew worse.

FDR watched this charade, this fraud, this "let them eat cake" approach with its economic, dismal science justifications and knew there had to be a better way, and he told the nation it was past the time for talk, for far off perfect solutions. He was not one, nor were the Amercian people willing to let perfection be the enemy of the good

His message to the country was clear and simple and can be summed up with two quotes:

"But while they prate of economic laws, men and women are starving. We must lay hold of the fact that economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings."

And

"The country needs and, unless I mistake its temper, the country demands bold, persistent experimentation. It is common sense to take a method and try it. If it fails, admit it frankly and try another. But above all, try something. The millions who are in want will not stand idly by silently forever while the things to satisfy their needs are within easy reach."

And how did the people of America respond? They elected him to the Office of President FOUR times!

There is now and has been since his election a veritable industry of carping critics and political cynics who have vilified FDR and his New Deal. It is expected of the Republicant Party, the party of Hoover, but it is beyond low brow, beyond the crassest political posturing, when it comes from a presidential candidate from the party of FDR.

But it is the Barack Obama method of operation, the B.O.M.O.

In his blind, ego-driven run for the next highest office that defines his short political career he has thrown under the bus the poor of his Illinois House District who live in decrepit public housing build by Tony Rezko who help Obama buy his $2.3 million dollar mansion, his spiritual mentor of 20 years who has made a small fortune by peddling America-hating pap to Obama, his wife, and some of their fellow congregants, his White grandmother, outing her as a racist, the Clinton administration which is the only twice-elected Democratic president since FDR, and now FDR and the New Deal.

Obama's ego will not be satisfied until the Democratic Party is in rubble around him, but so long as his blind acolytes, mostly the young and African American, bay at the moon at the mere sound of his name, the trill of his voice, Obama's happy.

The simplest way to decide which way to vote is for every American to ask him or herself if they have have witnessed a so-called expert, whether in the field of economics, education, or sport, get it wrong.

The people of Indiana can answer that question by looking to their own history in the area of sport: the sport of high school basketball and the Milan Miracle.

In 1954, the tiny Milan High School Indians (student population 161) took on Muncie Central Bearcats (student population 1,600). The Bearcats had a cheering block in the stands that numbered 500 and were looking for their fifth state title. The Bearcats had more money and louder crowds.

Now, what do you think the experts said about that game?

Well, with the game tied at 30 and only seconds left in the game, Milan's Bobby Plump, normally a hot shooter, was 2 for 10 and had three turnovers as he slowly dribbled up the court, drove to his right and sunk a 14-footer which sunk the dreams of the supposed giant Muncie Central.

But it isn't just sport. Let's look to a windy beach in North Carolina where two young brothers, bicycle builders and salesmen, changed the world.

For thousands of years the experts of each age thought heavier-than-air flight by man was impossible, absolutely impossible. Then came the Wright Brothers with their glider.

After that many of the experts still though that controlled, powered flight by man was a near impossibility. If it was ever to succeed it would take the best engineers and experts to get it done.

But on December 17, 1903, at Kitty Hawk, powered, controlled fight took place. Was it the experts in combination with the best aviation engineers who did it?

No, two brothers, Orville and Wilbur Wright, neither of whom graduated school and were self-taught bicycle builders claim that honor and changed the world.

Now, Barack because he is so short in political stature, so lacking in political gravitas, needs the so-called experts to give his decisions the veneer of acceptability to the public. Clinton does not. She has a history of taking action for the little guy, the average American. She comes from the FDR wing of the Democratic Party and is prepared to once again change America for the better and for the majority of Americans.

Posted by: jmcauli1 | May 4, 2008 5:10 PM

Guam Superdelegate Jaime Paulino Endorses Barack Obama; Delegate Countdown - 275 To Go and with NC and 300 undecided black superdelegates to this baby is over drop the ballons.

Posted by: neocon | May 4, 2008 5:11 PM

I find it interesting that those who support Obama, the candidate who claims to be about unity and change, are so divisive and insulting.

Before it was anyone who didn't support Obama was a racist.
Now it seems the senitment is that anyone who supports Hillary Clinton is stupid.

It seems that they are relying on the statistics that say Hillary recieves more votes from lower income, less educated voters.

That is an elitist point of view.
Lower income and less educated often go hand in hand.
You should not confuse Education with Intelligence.

Higher education is not an indicator of intellect or judgement.

The American people that Obama supporters insult are not racist or stupid.

They are Americans who don't need a degree to be able to see through BS.
They can tell when a person is stuttering over the answer to a question or whether someone is able to answer directly from their heart.

I think a big part of the problem is that some of those better educated, higher income people often have lost touch with the reality of the day to day lives of most Americans.

Hillary Clinton is our best hope.

I could never in good concience cast my vote for Barack Obama. I would feel that by doing so I was turning my back on my country and a majority of our citizens.

Posted by: cheryl | May 4, 2008 5:11 PM

Why are people dismissing the gas tax holiday if (like Clintons plan calls for) the oil companies pay for it? What is the elitist BS about 18 cents not being "worth it". We all know that we've driven an extra block to find a gas station that's 2 cents cheaper, an extra 18 cents a gallon makes a difference. The gas tax holiday is perfect if the oil companies pay for it plus, it sets a precedent that says the govt. will tax huge profits when and as it sees fit. Isn't that what us liberals want. If the oil companies respond by increasing the cost then we respond by increasing the tax on their profits. I prefer action and my 18 cents.

Posted by: Shawn | May 4, 2008 5:12 PM

The fact that obliterating a country is even acceptable to some of us reflects the tragedy of racism/xenophobia towards the Middle East and should be a testimony to the wicked effects of the decades-long marketing campaign sponsored by the American government and Israeli lobby.

Posted by: Kyle | May 4, 2008 5:14 PM

Hillary says that Obama has no plan for the gas issue. She is right in way, for he does not have a plan for just a small short term fix.

He has long spoken about: energy independence, alternate renewable fuels and sources, aimprovement of car efficiency and so on
--that to me sounds like a plan; a long term plan that would work for the long run, and not just long enough to help put a candidate in office.

Posted by: jlm062002 | May 4, 2008 5:14 PM

Hillary says that Obama has no plan for the gas issue. She is right in way, for he does not have a plan for just a small short term fix.

He has long spoken about: energy independence, alternate renewable fuels and sources, improvement of car efficiency and so on
--that to me sounds like a plan; a long term plan that would work for the long run, and not just long enough to help put a candidate in office.

Posted by: jlm062002 | May 4, 2008 5:15 PM

and if anyone here knows the truth..our gas is so high..due to our dollar being worthless..kinda like what Clinton adviser and long time friend mickey kantor video on u tube was talking about when he said the voters in ind. were ..worthless.. white ni##ers

Posted by: dawn | May 4, 2008 5:17 PM

It's fine to answer from one's heart, as long as one's brain knows what the heart is up to. if Hillary is full of heart, let's hope she surrounds herself with people who use their brains. Likewise, if Barack speaks his mind, lets just hope he surrounds himself with some people with heart. You've got to have both, and you've got to use both. (but common sense says that having the brain is more critical). It's a lot easier to find compassionate people than it is to find intelligent ones.

Posted by: use_your_head | May 4, 2008 5:20 PM

When it comes to Iran, you have to be strong and decisive. You need to show them what the bottom result will be if they attack Israel. You can't say, I will negotiate with Iran if they try to attack Israel. Then you'll send a wrong signal to Iran. Obama is too weak, he's just like Jimmy Carter. I'm afraid he will bring us the Iran mess again.

Posted by: Be Strong | May 4, 2008 5:21 PM

jlm062002

The difference is that Hillary has a plan for the short term. To give immediate relief to Americans.

AND.... SHE ALSO HAS A PLAN FOR THE LONG TERM ...

She is about taking action now as well as planning ahead for the future.

Obama is all about talking about what he might do, what needs to be done, and no specifics about how he will accomplish anything.

Don't get your facts just from what Obama says, check your facts.

The reason Obama is rallying against the Gas Tax issue is only to take attention away from the issue of Reverend Wright.

Posted by: cheryl | May 4, 2008 5:22 PM

wow, now the mathematicians, economists, and democrats for barrack obama are accused of being elitist? what next, the primaries themselves and the voters?

A North Carolina / Indiana will make the media look ridiculous is they try to pain Hillary's failure to catch-up by now as anything but unrealistic.


Here's what those "elitist" economists were actually saying on that link:

"Put simply, suspending the federal tax on gasoline this summer is a bad idea and we oppose it. There are several reasons for this opposition. First, research shows that waiving the gas tax would generate major profits for oil companies rather than significantly lowering prices for consumers. Second, it would encourage people to keep buying costly imported oil and do nothing to encourage conservation. Third, a tax holiday would provide very little relief to families feeling squeezed. Fourth, the gas tax suspension would threaten to increase the already record deficit in the coming year and reduce the amount of money going into the highway trust fund that maintains our infrastructure."

Posted by: eljefejesus | May 4, 2008 5:23 PM

George Stephanapolous is a paid Clinton stooge. Talk about softballs. ABC news is off my TIVO forever. ABC should stand for Anybody But Clinton. If it is Pinocchio's you want we can borrow from China and Dubai and see if Jepeto can ramp up production. A lie is a lie is a lie and Hillary learned from the master her husband bill. Her latest lie is that she has a shot. Only if the martians come down to earth and take Barack Obama back to Mars could she win and then only if the adults in the party don't bring in someone with honesty to replace her under this emergency. Our parties electorate has thankfully already obliterated her chance of the nomination. That is the only obliteration that has happened or will happen if we choose intelligence and integrity over political entitlement and expediency.

Posted by: RJP | May 4, 2008 5:24 PM

redawn |

You are spreading lies....

The youtube video that you are referenceing was all over the news and shown to be a fraud..

It was an old video with a voice over.

It is thought that is was put out by someone in the Obama campaign.

You should offer opinions and share points of view, but spreading lies does not help.

Posted by: cheryl | May 4, 2008 5:25 PM

Cheryl,

A higher education does provide and expansion of the mind. It helps you understand issues through countless different view points. You are right that an education does not precede intelligence, however, I do believe that good judgement does follow an expanded period of education, since good judgement (I think) is determined by paying attention to all different view point and possibilities. e.g. who would you rather answer that 3am call, the clerk at 7-eleven, or a person who spent 7 more years in school after high school?

Posted by: jlm062002 | May 4, 2008 5:26 PM

I keep reading these blogs and what always jumps out at me is Obama people accusing others, particularly HRC, as being divisive.

THE MAIN REASON I AM NOT VOTING FOR HIM IS THE SANCTIMONIOUS ATTITUDE OF SO MANY OF HIS FOLLOWERS> They remind me of cult followers. It creeps me out.

Posted by: Auguste Rodin | May 4, 2008 5:26 PM

Mathematically the race is over if Obama wins only NC. Privately Super D's have told the Clinton camp if she cant beat Obama in NC they will end the race.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 4, 2008 5:27 PM

Obama speaking in Fort Wayne, Indiana today said about the people in Indiana going through hard times that, "You lose your sense of dignity."

And the response from the crowd?

s i l e n c e

Obama is the most arrogant and elitist politician to come along in a long time. This is absolutely no different than his comments that people are bitter so they "cling" to their guns and religion. Aside from being a snob, the guy is clueless about how most Americans feel -- since most Americans are going through harder and more difficult times ... and they still have their dignity!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 4, 2008 5:30 PM

Cheryl:

Hillary's supposed gas tax plan is all pandering and she knows she has no chance whatsoever of getting anything through congress just like she has only been able to pass legislation that names libraries. Her colleagues in the Senate know b.s. when they see it and she would never get the 60 votes necessary to pass any windfall anything. It is all hot air out of your girl. I support the honest candidate Barack Obama and not the one who voted for the war and then could not admit a mistake. He will get my vote in Winston-Salem on Tuesday.

Maybe Hillary had post traumatic stress syndrome from avoiding all those sniper bullets. Barack is running away from nothing and Hillary only wants the spotlight when she has calculated what lie to feed us or her resident sheep like Cheryl.

Posted by: Susan McMullen | May 4, 2008 5:32 PM

The details of the personal automobiles of the five oil executives that testified before Congress including full registrations

www.webofdeception.com

Posted by: Robert Lewis | May 4, 2008 5:32 PM

all you obama lovers, this phony is a racist who spent 20 years behind close door bashing america with rev wright now all of sudden he wants to be the president he trying to give the rev the boot i guess he realize now he does not need him anymore . but the question is, if this traitor become president with no love for the us no experience how you guys think he'd be fighting the terrorist ....HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT....

Posted by: new-york voter | May 4, 2008 5:34 PM

Mike Lewis - Obama takes softball interviews? You do realize Obama had an interview with Fox news this week, don't you?

Hillary doesn't tell people what they want to hear? Really?

- Was Hillary Clinton a populist when she ran for senate in NY or did she pick up this working class girl bit shortly before blue collar Ohio was set to vote? About a month after she "found her voice" in NH. How many times does someone need to re-invent themselves for you to take notice?

- You have to agree the gas tax thing is 100% gimmick. Gas price is set by supply and demand. If you drop 18 cents off the price of gas, there will be more demand, raising the price 18 cents. We're back where we started, but the money goes to oil companies, not the government. It doesn't really help anyone, but telling people you'll give them money is most certainly, what they want to hear.

- Hillary agreed that Florida and Michigan wouldn't count... until she won them. Then she suddenly thinks "every vote should count". What a hero.

- Hillary says "We need to have a timeout on foreclosures". What does that even mean? Just more "I'll give you money" if you vote for me politics.

This list can go on and on. Just take some snapshots of who she was 10 years ago, 4 years ago, last year, last month, today, and tomorrow. You barely have to look to notice that she will do or say anything, no matter how destructive, for her own political gain.

Honestly - do you think a Lawyer, Governor's wife, 2 term first lady, US senator and multi-millionare who has been living a lifestyle of royalty for the past 20 years understands the plight of the working man? Or do you think she's telling you want you want to hear?

Posted by: Jon | May 4, 2008 5:35 PM

If Obama has any hope of being President he needs to throw his big ugly Racist wife under the Bus alone with his Grandmother and the Rev. Wright. I am sure the Obama cult will believe him when he tells them he just discovery she was an American hating, Racist!


Part of the Obama snow job where he portrayed Rev. Wright's paranoid rants as coming from anger that is the baggage as the legacy of of old white racism, carried by old blacks. Well, there is current-day stuff that is alive and well, carried by the young blacks, that is a lot worse than the racism, sexism and homophobic intolerance of the older generation of blacks. It's called Hip Hop, Gangsta and Street culture. It's full of racism, paranoia, anger, violence, abuse of women, sexism and a whole lot of dysfunctional antisocial expression schemes. The social psychological disordered behavior that Rev. Wright's hate-speech-as-sermons represents and coveys to blacks and supported by Obama is alive and well in the current-day generation in Black America. It's just in a newer more dangerous carnation.

Blacks leaders should start speaking out about taking some personal responsibility for high rate of high school drop out, sexual promiscuity, children born out of wedlock, , absence of male parenting/role models, drugs, crime, incarceration, AIDS, instead of playing the victimhood game and blaming whites for black failures! Until that time there will always be hate mongers & race baiter,s to use them and profit from their plight like the Rev. Wright, Rev. Jessie Jackson, Rev. Al Sharpton, as well as 10,s of thousands of White and Black Politicians. In fact the whole Democrat party! Hand outs, instead of a hand up, is the means of keeping Blacks down and economic Slaves! Keeping Blacks as an race of victims and believing all of the above is Whitey fault is designed to keep them from progressing instead of a race of achievers! It is in the best interest of Black preachers and Democrat politicians! Blacks will never be lead to the promise land by hate mongering Preachers like Rev. Wright or by bottom feeding Politicians that wants and works to keep Blacks in the Ghetto, on Welfare, and voting Democrat!

Posted by: Black Saint | May 4, 2008 5:35 PM

Mr. Obama is the one who is wanting to do this the old Washington way. People need relief now now in ten years when Mr. Obama's plan would finally kick in, if at all. Anyone who makes 9 million or so dollars a year can afford to wait. The typical American family cannot afford to wait on Mr. Obama and the Washington crowd. Excuse me but isn't he the one who is for change.

Posted by: racam_us | May 4, 2008 5:36 PM

Obama will win NC and since IN is a proportional race Obama will gain another 40 delegates to be about 140 short of the 2025, then 140 black super's will defect Clinton and make history.

Posted by: neocon | May 4, 2008 5:36 PM

It is evident that some of our electorate cannot fathom a truy tranformational leader in our times. After all when most of the electorate has had to suffer through the Bush, Clinton, Bush years they have every reason to be skeptical. Barack Obama will bring change and that is anathema to the lesser educated including many posters here. If you want more of the status quo then vote for Hillary or John McCain the rest of the past loving sheep flock will follow.

I want a great future for our country and a position we can be proud of in the global community, I want Barack Obama period.

Bring on the change we desperately need it NOW.

Posted by: Laura Bell Charlotte,N.C. | May 4, 2008 5:37 PM

What would Obama do if Iran nuked Israel? Tell them: "That was not nice. I'm sorry, but we're going to have to punish you. You can't sell your Iranian made Persion rugs in the U.S., until you say you're sorry."

Posted by: autowx | May 4, 2008 5:38 PM

On their way to the Eastern Economic Assoc. meeting in Boston the taxi driver asked some colleagues, "Are you going to the convention?" "Yes." "So...are you some of the 5 percenters?" "What do you mean?" "The 5% of economists who are right!" In the case of the gas tax, we can be pretty sure that those 5% are among the 99.9% who think the gas tax holiday is BS.

Posted by: FrankM | May 4, 2008 5:39 PM

jlm062002


I did not mean to say that I was against higher education. I am against the assumption that higher education and intelligence go hand in hand,

I think that it is insulting to say that because someone chooses to do a blue collar job and not go to college makes them less able to make intelligent decisions.

If someone goes to college and studies accounting, that does not make them better equipped to make decisions in all areas, it just makes them better educated about accounting. A psychiatrist who spent many more years in school would still know less about accounting.

And someone who works in a blue collar job for many years will probably have a much better understanding of the things related to whatever field they happen to be in than someone who studies the field in a classroom.

Higher education is not the measuring stick by which we should judge people or the ability of people to make intellectual judgements.

I have known brilliant people who never finished high school, and some highly educated people who had no common sense.

There are many ways that people decide on who they will vote for and it is unfair to criticize someones decision based on thier level of income or education.

Posted by: cheryl | May 4, 2008 5:40 PM

possibilities. e.g. who would you rather answer that 3am call, the clerk at 7-eleven, or a person who spent 7 more years in school after high school?
Posted by: jlm062002
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

If you Obamanites are examples of the educated cultist with 7 yrs. of college experience I'll take that clerk at 7-11 to take that 3 AM call every time. They have experience and have to think for themselves to survive. You educated ones only know what you read or are told.

Posted by: Chief | May 4, 2008 5:40 PM

Cheryl,

An education and world experience aren't mutually exclusive. Why the class warfare?

Posted by: Jon | May 4, 2008 5:42 PM

Hillary has 3 major problems 1. Bill Clinton 2. Angry black superdels 3.Angry party loyalist's. If Obama wins NC and does well in IN there would be no rationalization for her to continue her efforts while damaging the party.

Posted by: Waterboard | May 4, 2008 5:43 PM

Hillary Clinton has already established that she is willing to turn a blind eye and forgive and stand by her husband regardless of what he does in front of her face or behind her back. Understandably that is Hillary's choice because she is married to Bill. But America is not married to Bill Clinton. Hillary needs to respond to why she expects us to believe that Bill Clinton went behind her back yet again and double crossed her on this Colombia Trade deal. How Bill was able to deposit over $800, 000 into their joint checking account payment from the Colombians and she claims she knew NOTHING about it? What about Mark Penn working for the Colombians as a lobbyist? Hillary Clinton supposedly was against the Colombia Trade deal why then would her husband and her senior staffer go behind close doors without her knowledge and support this deal that could hurt her campaign? That is a direct conflict of interest and impeachable by congress standards if she were the president! Hillary Clinton's willingness to turn a blind eye to the actions of Bill Clinton, Mark Penn and other friends will eventually lead to hurting the American people, yet again. If she keeps turning a blind eye to the wrongdoings of her family, friends and staff and saying stuff like "we disagree on a lot of things!" which is not a real or justifiable answer by any means that the American people deserve. Are the American people going to pay yet again because Hillary Clinton always turns a 'blind eye' favoring family and friends?

Posted by: Nicky1228 | May 4, 2008 5:45 PM

I learned a great deal by working on the Clinton/Gore Campaign in 1992, going door to door in New Hampshire and making phone calls on behalf of the campaign. But my real education came in the years following 1992 when I observed how good people were thrown under a bus, continual moral lapses, self inflicted scandals were rationalized and the White House was sold to raise funds. The Clintons became very proficient at getting powerful people to part with their money. Clinton is in fact quoted in a Moyer's PBS special where he tells fat cats that their money buys influence.

"Washington's Other Scandal" with Bill Moyers
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/scandal/etc/script.html

excerpted transcript:
BILL MOYERS: In 1996, a "For Sale" sign was hung on the White House.
Pres. BILL CLINTON: [to contributors] And I think it's okay if your investment gets you influence, but your investment shouldn't get you control.

Since that time the LIES, DECEIT, VOTER FRAUD & MANIPULATION have grown increasingly similar to the NEOCONS who stole the election in 2000. Hillary is running a campaign clearly targeted to the people on the left side of the bell curev and is directly out of the Karl Rove/Lee Atwater/Jessie Helms playbook: scare the hell out of white working class voters. Clinton's wealth in the years immediately preceding her presidential run, wealth derived largely from foreign sources, has sky rocketed. So this begs the question, who owns the Clintons? Make no mistake, once you stop drinking the kool-aid it is rather easy to see that if ever there were "ELITISTS" in the Democratic Party, they are the Clintons. The politics of "TRIANGULATION" which they mastered is the art of appealing to and manipulating to the uninformed, the intellectually undernourished, the working class and lower middle class and whatever ethnic minorities that they need as part of winning coalition while winking to the powerful that they have the little people under control. This is at the heart of CLINTON FRAUD...they think all the little people are dumbsh_ts that can be easily duped. The Clintons are financed heavily by foreign elements who paid for the Clinton Presidential Library, donated to the Clinton Global Initiative, pumped funds into Hillary''s Senate run and this presidential race where they are trying to buy the next Clinton Administration. The CLINTONS ARE WORKING CLASS PREDATORS, not middle class warriors. The people most easily fooled by their rhetoric are too consumed with their own economic survival to verify the accuracy of what they are told. BOTOX, BLUE CONTACT LENSES, BLONDE HAIR DYE are part of Hillary''s carefully crafted All American persona to manipulate voters into thinking that she is "one of you"---the last white lady standing.

Posted by: Christopher London | May 4, 2008 5:45 PM

Hillary Clinton has already established that she is willing to turn a blind eye and forgive and stand by her husband regardless of what he does in front of her face or behind her back. Understandably that is Hillary's choice because she is married to Bill. But America is not married to Bill Clinton. Hillary needs to respond to why she expects us to believe that Bill Clinton went behind her back yet again and double crossed her on this Colombia Trade deal. How Bill was able to deposit over $800, 000 into their joint checking account payment from the Colombians and she claims she knew NOTHING about it? What about Mark Penn working for the Colombians as a lobbyist? Hillary Clinton supposedly was against the Colombia Trade deal why then would her husband and her senior staffer go behind close doors without her knowledge and support this deal that could hurt her campaign? That is a direct conflict of interest and impeachable by congress standards if she were the president! Hillary Clinton's willingness to turn a blind eye to the actions of Bill Clinton, Mark Penn and other friends will eventually lead to hurting the American people, yet again. If she keeps turning a blind eye to the wrongdoings of her family, friends and staff and saying stuff like "we disagree on a lot of things!" which is not a real or justifiable answer by any means that the American people deserve. Are the American people going to pay yet again because Hillary Clinton always turns a 'blind eye' favoring family and friends?

Posted by: Nicky1228 | May 4, 2008 5:46 PM

It's amazing to see how many people who might have supported Hillary 6 months ago (I was one of them) are connecting with the malignant personality which has emerged as this race has gone against her. Most disturbing to me is the way the media has let her "obliterate Iran" comment just slide by. I'm 55 years old. In my lifetime, I've never heard a President or a candidate actually threaten another country with nuclear annihilation. Does she mean that if she got a call at 3am telling her Iran had attacked Israel, she'd say: "Obliterate them, and call me back when it's over?"

I don't even think George Bush would make a statement as reckless as what she tossed off during her interview on Good Morning America. If we elect her our President, are we not sending a message that actually justifies the proliferation of more nuclear-armed nations?

Those who remember the patience and even temperament of John F. Kennedy in 1962, when all his military advisers were recommending that he invade Cuba (and very likely precipitate some sort of nuclear exchange between the US and the Soviet Union) understand the importance of a cool head under fire in the White House. Kennedy not only resisted that conventional wisdom, he executed one of the most inspired diplomatic choices in the history of this country to end that crisis peacefully.

Hillary Clinton has shown herself to be a gifted amateur in the area of foreign relations, and the last thing we need is another 4 or 8 years of amateurism in the White House. As a Republican, I hope I get a chance to vote for Obama.

Posted by: ted in portland | May 4, 2008 5:46 PM

Hillary must win NC to continue. Hillary must crush Obama in IN by 25 percent to contine. Hillary must keep minority super delegates in fold.

Posted by: Dem4life | May 4, 2008 5:46 PM

Can we also stop identifying only white and black voters?

It's really not fair.

We can't let the media make us believe you believe that the 13 million people who have now voted for Obama were all black.

If that was the case do you really believe Hillary Clinton would be courting working white mens votes in Indiana with lies?

13 million WHITE, BLACK, LATINO, ASIANS, JEWS, INDIANS, AMERICANS, old, middle age, young all voted for Barack Obama. You would have to be just as biased or delusional as the pundits on Fox if you think otherwise.

Posted by: Nicky1228 | May 4, 2008 5:49 PM

The Gasoline Tax Holiday

Right now I am watching CNN's election update where Obama is saying that I need a leader who is in touch with me. He then went on to say the gasoline tax holiday would really not help me.

Obama is clearly out of touch with this working mom with a long daily commute who feels thrilled to get gas for five cents less at a station a little further down the road. Clearly an 18 cent break would mean a lot to me and it is better than what he is offering me which is nothing.

His whole stance on the gas tax does make him out as an elitist who does not begin to understand the issues of being a middle class American.

I liked the earlier commentary calling him Nobama - it seems fitting on this issue.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 4, 2008 5:52 PM

Ok...who among you doesn't understand that to lay aside the taxes over the summer and then tax the oil companies will only serve to make gas even more expensive in the fall and winter.

Corporations don't pay taxes, their customers do......

corporate tax is an additional excise tax....

Or are people really that stupid?

Posted by: wayde klein | May 4, 2008 5:52 PM

Bring on the change we desperately need it NOW.

Posted by: Laura Bell Charlotte,N.C.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

What change are you talking about. I heard that crap in 2000. I believe it was called compassionate change then. Bill Clinton brought more change than anyone in my lifetime. Obama is running on "words". Hope and change. Above the fray won't fly. He attacked Hillary with Edwards in the MSNBC debate to start the negative attacks.
No more politics as usual won't fly. His pastor says he is a politician and has too say what politicians have to say. No special interest from lobbiest or PACs. I guess that is a half fly. He invented bundlers from big business. I'm sure those Exxon bundlers don't expect favors. Gosh that couldn be why he is against the gas tax deal could it. Never thought of that?

Posted by: c | May 4, 2008 5:53 PM

I know that politicians are just that. I'm ready to be disappointed by anyone who wins the presidential elections.

I would vote for Hillary not out of blindness or fanaticism or idealization of the woman. I just can't stand Obama's self righteous attitude, his "i'm the only one who can heal this country", his flimsy political resume and ideas, his lies and flip-flops, and his arrogance, to mention a few of his character flaws. I would vote for her over McCaine. She can't be that bad.

If she doesn't win, i will not vote in the elections. I'm not betting on that pony, Obama. I know what is going to happen. If Bush was the moron that brought this country to financial bankruptcy, Obama is going to be the intelligent opportunist who'll bring this country back to racial instability...

If the KKK lets him live to tell.

There's got to be a better black person than him for the next elections.

Don't buy the Obama myth. Accept they are all politicians seeking power. Once they get your vote, adios amigos.

Martin Luther King, Ghandi, these are leaders to be followed. They gave their lives and didn't go for office.

When have Obama done anything outstanding, apart from being a community organizer? He can't even stand by his pastor who married him and baptized his children. That's opportunism!! Kill the reverend before he kills my dreams to power.

Keep stammering, half america is not listening to you, half america is infatuated with you.

The rest of us are just too terrified and baffled by the prospect of another four years of insanity. Can we take another four years of lunacy??

Posted by: thetruth | May 4, 2008 5:55 PM

Hillary's long term plan for rising oil price is to reduce dependence on foreign oil, and her website has more details. This summer's gas relief is just a short term plan to help the working class people. It's not a bad idea if the oil companies end up paying the tax. Of course, you'll say the oil company can just raise the price, and consumers end up paying it. Well, the gov't can act and monitor the price to prevent unreasonable rise in price.

Posted by: ASF | May 4, 2008 5:55 PM

If you work in the financial sector, especially as a stock picker, as a portfolio manager, or any bottoms up fundamentals based roles, you know that economists are usually not the sharpest Ginsus out there, and are typically backwards looking.

No one knows how the pricing pattern of oil will eolve. As Sen Clinton said, there is a strong enough reason to believe that speculation has played a big part there. (Of course, the media and common man will always mean "speculation" in some evil and greedy way, but speculation could also be of the foolish kind, as in mortgages and what the Ibankers have done there).

If prices are depressed temporarily, and the subsidy is paid for with a windfall tax, it is wrong to think that there will be bg jump in consumption and hence demand. The simple fact is, we just don't know how much of the speculative forward buying has been done by the oil industry players, and how many of them will be impacted in how many ways by a windfall tax, and how such a tax will change their forward purchasing patterns.

The end consumer himself has been using as much oil as he has always done. There is no evidence to say that consumer demand has changed in any material way - consumers just paid more, because they have no other choice. So, if the prices are temporarily depressed through a subsidy, there is no reason to believe there will be a demand spike. At this point, oil is as much a staple as food, and demand at least in the US has not changed with changes in prices, up or down.

Stephanopoulos demanded to know whether any economist has endorsed the Clinton gas subsidy but I would n't care for any such blessing. As some one who works on the Wall St, I know these economists make money for themselves only by talking and advising other people. They are never smart enough to use their own advice and make money for themselves. Ergo, what they think is usually not worth much.

Posted by: intcamd | May 4, 2008 5:57 PM

If you want to know what the people, the voters, think about the gas holiday then ask the people who are filling their cars and trucks at the gas station. They will tell that an extra 3 or 4 dollars would helpful. That is a gallon of milk for their children. Food prices are going up in part because the cost transporting food is passed onto the consumer.
Do not listen to rich professionals and economist who ride around in limos.
Hillary is listening to people while others are listening to advisors who want to win at any cost. I question the intergity of anyone who throws his grandmother, under the bus, who put him through college and give him all the benefits possible. What about his long time pastor and friend, I do not think that he agrees with Rev. Wright, but he helped and mentored Obama to where he is today. If he is not loyal to family and friends, why should we trust him. He believes the press when they say 93% of Black people are going to vote for him, so he does not visit the Black community, taking his base for granted. Think about the decision that have to make. This is not an election for Student Body President, this is an election for President of the United States. Just think about it before you vote.

Posted by: Robert | May 4, 2008 5:57 PM

The Obama ads running in Indiana concerning the gas tax issue are an outright attack of Clinton and full of distortions. Will someone tell this guy that gas has ALREADY gone up in price over a dollar a gallon in the past year!! His political rhetoric that eliminating the gas tax will raise the price of gas more is simply BS. And, does anyone really believe that an 18 cent reduction is going to dramatically increase demand? All it's going to do is allow some people to take the driving vacations that they might otherwise need to cancel because of the price of gas. But, in any case, if demand did go up and oil company profits did rise, then guess what, they pay MORE TAXES under Clinton's plan. The Obama ads and statements are outright distortions and lies. Let's give ALL working people a break -- NOW!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 4, 2008 5:58 PM

What is truly disturbing about Hillary Clinton's incessant pandering to working class voters and labeling reasoned analysis by Economic experts as that of "Elites" who are out of touch is not just that she is wrong but this mindset is at the heart of what makes her a complete and total FRAUD and should disqualify her from holding any national office, especially the Presidency. Contrast Hillary's cowboy mindset and the thugs who have run her campaign with that of New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg who has been one of America's most adept and skilled Political Chief Executives, running one of the largest economies in the world, that of New York City. The Bloomberg Administration is one of the most educated, experienced and devoted staff's that any politican has ever put together. A Chief Executive makes informed decisions about National Policy after being appropriately briefed by EXPERTS and not by putting a finger up in the air and telling Americans what sounds good. The effect of Clinton's proposal for a Holiday from reality would be diluted by the Oil companies, make our roads less safe and put blue collar construction workers who rebuild the nation's roads, out of work. LIES HAVE RAMIFICATIONS. Another BIG LIE like this one should result in her being discredited by the American electorate and the media in a big way. She is simply unfit to lead from day 1.

Posted by: Christopher London, New York City | May 4, 2008 5:58 PM

Obama's "superior" and "never seen before" qualities...

"Honest" politician?
What is it? Is there such thing?

Charisma and desire for change and "fresh air" from the current "rotten politics"?
Regarding this, I think he is just a shadow of the titans like Hitler, Stalin, Fidel, or Mao.

"Great" leader who attracts young generation and highly educated folks?
What about the political dinosaurs like Tod Kennedy or morons like Bill Richardson in his camp?

"Extraordinary" personality?
It took him only 24 hours to get rid of the guy (Reverent Wright), who made him what he is today. Don't you think this may happen with you too?

Making good judgments?
How about missing Michigan and Florida voters? Or how about staying for 20 years in the church, which is apparently not a good choice for any politician?
Or right, he voted against the war in Iraq. But, may be this is because he didn't have any obligations for the outcome, and his vote "for" or "against" the war would benefit him anyway? This would hardly be called a judgment.

Yes, Obama has all "necessary" qualities to push this country "forward".
The question only - lead to where? To even bigger disaster than Bush did? Or even further - to the socialist revolution ("another way the Washington rules the country")?
Those, how doesn't know the history are destined to repeat it.

Posted by: Iouri | May 4, 2008 6:02 PM

What would you do if Iran bombed Isreal?
Clinton- anialate them. I agree. We anialated Iraq in the Gulf Storm invasion. Anailate doesn't mean you kill everyone. How stupid to think that.

Obama-put the "words" on em. Talk them to death. That would be a slow painful mdeath.

Posted by: Chief | May 4, 2008 6:02 PM

Susan McMullen

Obama was not in the senate when the vote you are referring to was taken.

Since then he has voted every time it has come up for the continuation of the war and against withdrawal of our troops. Not once did he do anything to speak out against the war since being in the senate.

He only started speaking against the war after he announced he was running for President.

Obama is the most dishonest politician I have seen.

He lied about not taking money from oil companies when he took nearly 300 thousand.

He said he doesn't take money from Washington lobbyists, but he takes money from the wives of lobbyists and from their families.

He lied about his relationship to Rezko and yet The Obama's and the Rezko's spent time together at the Rezko's vacation estate.

He lied about his work in the Illinois legislature, when all of the work on Bills his name was put on were done by others.

He lied about running a campaign that would not be negative when his campaign was the first to go negative and made such insulting remarks about Hillary Clinton that they were forced to offer an apology.

He lied when he said this election would not be about race and then he played the race card from day one and accused anyone who didn't support him or agree with him of being racist.

Regarding the statements made by Reverend Wright.
The statements were the same when Obama first denied them, then said they were out of context, then said he could no more disown Reverend Wright then his own Grandmother, then he disowned Reverend Wright.
The comments Reverend Wright made never changed, only Obama's response to them.

Barack Obama tried to create an image and it worked for awhile but it began to crumble as people started to want to know more about who he really is. The more people find out the more he loses his appeal.

Posted by: cheryl | May 4, 2008 6:02 PM

What was more pandering than the tax rebate intended to stimulate an economy that's cough, cough, is not in recession?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 4, 2008 6:02 PM

The people chanting the current Obama campaign slogan that "Clinton is pandering" are all probably living off of mommy and daddy or have high paying jobs so that they don't have to worry whether the gas tax stays in place or not. For god's sake ... why does Obama and his supporters have a problem with a TAX REDUCTION that helps working people???? And, that is PAID FOR BY AN INCREASE IN OIL COMPANY TAXES!! Obama is so bought and paid for by big Oil companies that it is disgusting.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 4, 2008 6:03 PM

There is such a blatant double standard being played in main stream media about the Clintons, McCann and Obama.
We are being shown and told all about Wright, Renzko, and Myers.
But no one in the media is discussing Hillary Clintons pending Campaign Fraud Case, Paul v. Clinton posted on youtube, or the Hillary and Bill Clintons relationship to Vinod "Vin" Gupta http://www.nypost.com/seven/05242007/postopinion/opedcolumnists/bills_ugly_buddy_opedcolumnists_dick_morris__eileen_mcgann.htm.
Or McCann who had affair with current wife while he was married to a disabled woman, or how abusive McCann has been in public to his wife calling her disgusting names, or about Pastor Hagee who says New Orleans was destroyed by God because it was going to have gay parade. Not to mention the insane policies that McCann will force on us. I would like to know why the media is playing double standards with the candidates?
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Posted by: Nicky1228 | May 4, 2008 6:03 PM

It is so frustrating to read some of the comments on this blog. So much of it is influenced by the media. So many can't be clear and honest about their thoughts because, it's a combination of ignorance and being brainwashed. A lot of parroting what they hear without thinking it out.

The whole thing about Rev Wright isn't about Rev Wright. He is not running for the Dem nomination to become POTUS. He is simply a catalyst, who tried to defend his good name after 37 years in his ministry, and several years in the military, but got caught up in presidential politics. After all, Sen Obama disowned him and his sermons. What should interest the voter is how Obama handled it. His actions and his thoughts are what should concern the voters here. He handled it poorly. Sen Obama's judgment was off. He managed to weaken his own position and humiliate his pastor at the same time. The point for the voter is to determine how well out next president can handle sensitive and important situations, just one test of his strength as a communicator, The senator dragged it out too long and exposed his own weaknesses.

The other thing everyone is talking about is the "gas holiday". I doubt that 50% of the commentors really understand the basic economics of the gas mess. But instinctively. because the "energy experts and economists", and other noted names they recognize in the media, say it is wrong, these people are all repeating what they hear. I confess - I don't understand all of it. But I also don't respect the handling of our economy by the likes of the Fed Reserve, Mr. Greenspan, and so many experts who have recently gotten us into the sub-prime mess, and put our once-stable life in such disorder. So when the media and pundits cite the "experts", I don't swallow it whole. What I do understand is that Sen Clinton has thought of a way to give us a break - a tiny 3 month bit of relief, with a way to pay for it. This, I can understand. The gas prices have been reaching $4 a gallon and the experts can't seem to do anything about it, but they have no relief in sight for anyone of us!

Sen Clinton - someone imaginative,, intelligent, and resourceful like her, can get us back our country again. She deserves the nomination and I believe she will do her very best as our president.

Posted by: Jay | May 4, 2008 6:05 PM

Hillary "God bless us rich people" Clinton can't find a single economist to back her silly gas tax holiday, but she won't back down. After all, she knows better that everyone else and intends to ram her plans down our throats for our own good. Talk about an elitist!

Posted by: Javalation | May 4, 2008 6:05 PM

Why didn't Russert show Obama was FOR the reduced gasoline price this summer 2 weeks ago he learned this quickly from Kerry,now he is against it? He voted for it in IL Senator wshen it was coming from their road and bridge funds, now we are taking it from the oil companies and he balks.Only now, 2 weeks later he cannot see the forest for the trees. The big tree oil companies and Bloomburg (R) turned (I) ,...have got to him.
Obviously he does not understand the working people and all our checkbooks. It is simple math. It is time we listen to Hillary Clinton. She gets it!
If we take 18.5 cents for cars and 24.5 cents for truckers (this will lower truckers cost) and we pay for it with the windfall tax on Oil Companies profits, we win. The congress could pass this bill in a NY second. Results would be an additional economic stimulus. Here is why.
If a 2 car family each with a 20 gal. tank @3.50 a gal with a fill up weekly,
received for 12 weeks the 18.5 cents per gal=$88.80 savings for a family. Now we know if each family added $11.20 to this they can go to a local grocery with the $88.80+11.20=$100 and the grocery is giving them $10 for every $100 they spend.
So for the rich,.. what do you think of the $110 for every family. Of course a family will vote for Hillary she understands a family checkbook and any economist should understand this additional stimulus of$110. Do they think we will buy gas, lol, no. We are buying food with our summer tax break.

Posted by: Roosevelt1 | May 4, 2008 6:06 PM

I bet that most of the people that are opposed to the gas tax holiday are also the same people who will drive out of their way to find a gas station selling gas for 1, 2 or 3 cents cheaper than the station nearest home. Anyone that says that a gas tax holiday that reduces gas prices by 18 cents is a bad idea is simply playing politics -- and those people are Obama and his supporters.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 4, 2008 6:06 PM

Jon
I totally agree. No class warfare.
That is what I was speaking against.

I was responding to the premise that those who vote for Clinton are unable to make intelligent decisions based on the statistics that she wins more of the less educated lower income voters.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 4, 2008 6:06 PM

TED IN PORTLAND:

President Bush did say he'll nuke Hussein if he blew the oil fields, so did Rumsfeld. And Cheney went public to demand the congress gives him the right to torture anyone he saw fit.

What are you talking about the media giving Hillary a pass on the "obliteration" comment?
What news do you get in Portland? Didn't you see today in both Meet the Press and in This Week how she was attacked for that??

You have allowed yourself to be blinded. If that comment she made is the sole cause why you defected, well, maybe you should come back. Her statement was clear: If the Iranians nuke Israel, she'll respond with the same strength. She didn't say if they 'just' bomb Israel.

How many political mistakes can you name from obama? If you say none, then you are a fanatic, blind and ignorant. They both have committed mistakes. Find some other excuse to reject her. Although, you'll find it difficult. She's the lesser of three 'evils'.

Posted by: thetruth | May 4, 2008 6:08 PM

Hillary and Bill have decided to pay the race card and try to pander to influential afraid white voters by implying Im tougher on Muslims than Obama, so vote for me and I will destory Iran along with the 3rd largest oil reserves in the world if you Iranians attack your Muslim brethern...LOL. To show thier appreication for destorying the Iranian reserves our OPEC allies will raise the cost of oil to 200 Euro's a barrel becasue the dollar would no longer be accepted as payment after killing millions of Iranian citizens.

Posted by: Dem4life | May 4, 2008 6:08 PM

Let's be real...here is the bottom line.

The Republicans will obliterate Hillary Clinton in November.

Republicans are going to hit Hillary on how tough she really is. Lets review Hillarys record of toughness on 2 of the most critical policies that have affected the American people.

1. NAFTA - She promoted, supported and by most witness accounts rammed NAFTA down the throats of congress. But behind closed doors she doubted the policy and said it was wrong. But despite knowing it was wrong she went along with the status quo pushing it forward.

2. IRAQ WAR - She agreed to go to war but hoped secretly that it would not come to a war. Although the document she signed clearly said "right to go to war." She again caved in to the status quo and agreed to do something she really should have stood up against.

So over the past 2 decades and last 2 Presidencies, Hillary Clinton has effectively been a help to diminishing manufacturing jobs and bankrupting the country. NAFTA allowed major manufacturing corporations the option to close plants in America and ship jobs overseas. Ohio, Pennsylvania, Indiana, Albany NY, NJ, Oregon those really smart white blue collar men voting for her are basically saying 'Thanks for making sure that during your husband's run in the white house we lost our jobs so you & Bill can earn 109 Million dollars, while we lose our homes and the shirts off our backs! Thanks Hillary your awesome!" Those feminist white working class women running to vote for her are basically saying "Thanks for going to war! We now get fired a lot quicker when the re-orgs happen because the economy sucks now due to a war that is bankrupting our country! Good looking out for us women, great job Hillary!"

Think about it... within the last 2 decades -two of the most critical decisions that have affected America's economy and growth have been screwed up all because Hillary Clinton folded under pressure. First NAFTA and agreed with Bush to go to War. America is now jobless and bankrupt and we can thank Hillary Clinton for contributing to that problem. Now she wants us to trust her in fixing it? She can't even balance the budget of her campaign. Her campaign is bankrupt. How can she be trusted to be the steward of America when she can't balance a simple campaign budget?

Posted by: Nicky1228 | May 4, 2008 6:08 PM

If Obama turns out just as bad as Bush, will you Obama cultists continue to support him? Or will you kill yourself for making the stupid decision?

To tell you the truth, my children, the purpose of election is to force you to surrender your rights to someone who can enslave you and take your money from your pockets legally. It was, is and will not be about empowering you, if you are poor, stupid, honest, believe in God and so on. If you think electing some lawyer will change your life for good, you had better go have a drink instead of reading about politics. You had better put a talented bad person in office than a stupid good guy because after all, a stupid good guy will spend all your money and you will be left angry and want to have another master, and the cycle goes on.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 4, 2008 6:13 PM

Its laughable to hear the political drivel that comes out of Hillarys mouth. The next ploy will probably be to offer blacks in NC reparations or new Cadillacs if they vote for her.

Posted by: Dem4kife | May 4, 2008 6:14 PM

67 misrepresentations and a FREE PASS

http://savagepolitics.com/?page_id=326

Posted by: OBAMA NOT | May 4, 2008 6:15 PM

About the gas tax break. Obama is against it because he knows it does not work based on his experience in Chicago. They tried it in his hometown and it barely made a difference. The results were oil companies raised their prices and highway construction companies lost thousands of jobs. That being said someone mentioned in a blog how their are people who will drive miles to another gas station to save 3 cents! and I have to admit that is very true! But the problem is they are wasting gas, money and energy in doing this and in the long term effect they will have to buy MORE gas then they would have if they would have just brought the gas at the first station.

Thats the point Obama and many wise Americans are making. Short term quick fixes may seem good when your doing them or agreeing to do them. But in the long term you are actually hurting yourself. That is the point many economist are making about this gas tax idea.

It's just really sad that some people are willing to turn a blind eye to the obvious in order to justify their own needs.

Posted by: Nicky1228 | May 4, 2008 6:16 PM

To Hazwalnut
I sure hope that you are not eligible to vote. You would be a disservice to democracy. If you have something to say, can you at least attempt to frame it responsibly or at least intelligently, if that is at all possible. Your posts are scary.

Posted by: Alicia | May 4, 2008 6:17 PM

BLACK SAINT:
YOUR COMMENT "If Obama has any hope of being President he needs to throw his big ugly Racist wife under the Bus alone with his Grandmother and the Rev. Wright. I am sure the Obama cult will believe him when he tells them he just discovery she was an American hating, Racist!"... COOOOL!!!

Posted by: thetruth | May 4, 2008 6:17 PM

Hillary will say and do anything to get the nomination she would even allow an impeached President who defamed the White House to run her campaign and serve as her mouthpiece. Thank GOD the people of NC will end this race.

Posted by: Dem4life | May 4, 2008 6:18 PM

Whoa Charlotte NOTObservant papers, you are printing hateful words from Obama campaign. Now why would a Republican owned newspaper do that. Are you that afraid of Hillary because she is 9% ahead of Mccaim.
To be honest, Obama's lawyers stopped a revote in Michigan.Hillary was there to meet Obama, yet he went to the Bahamas and sent the attorneys to NOT allow Michigan to vote. Michael Moore got it wrong too.

Posted by: Keep it honest | May 4, 2008 6:18 PM

No if you were self aware enough you would know the real reason why you are voting for Hillary? A lot of people know the real reason but won't admit it in public. ;)

Quote>>I keep reading these blogs and what always jumps out at me is Obama people accusing others, particularly HRC, as being divisive.

THE MAIN REASON I AM NOT VOTING FOR HIM IS THE SANCTIMONIOUS ATTITUDE OF SO MANY OF HIS FOLLOWERS> They remind me of cult followers. It creeps me out.

Posted by: guyfromQueens | May 4, 2008 6:18 PM

End the federal gas tax for 90 days and consumption will increase which in turn will rise the cost of gas more than the tax relief provided and reduce the money available to repair the nations highways. THIS IDEA IS DUMB AS DOG SH@T.

Posted by: Waterboard | May 4, 2008 6:22 PM

The main reason most young people vote for Obama is that they have a future and want to find long-term solutions to our structural problems. They plan to leave other fifty years, they couldn't care less of saving 20$ in the summer of 2009, they want a better future, that is, ending our dependence from oil.

We need to restructure our economy, our transport system, our infrastructures, our foreign policy (especially in the Middle East). I'm not saying Obama can do this in 8 years, but he will start bringing this country in the right direction.

Young people are ready to do sacrifices now in order to have a better future. They want Obama. And they are right.

If we elect w. or clinton, nothing will change, problems will remain the same or probably worse.

The next generation can't wait anymore. It's the real urgency of now.
Older people prefer to maintain their privileges and let the next make the necessary sacrifices -and please stop thinking that you know better than your children... you voted for Bush twice, your children will never forgive you!

In order to change, you need to have a stake in the future.

Posted by: stearm | May 4, 2008 6:25 PM

guyfromQueens - You remind me of my mother saying that the reason my younger brother couldn't go to a Jerry Garcia concert was because of how strongly I was sticking up for him. You're just too cowardly to take responsibility for the stupidity of your own decisions.

Posted by: treetopflyer | May 4, 2008 6:25 PM

Their is nothing funnier than a Democrat trying to encourage people to drive more by lowering prices on gasoline. Er, uh I thought Democrats have been having so much fun for the past 8 years criticizing Bush for not having a policy on global warming? And Al Gore's plan? Encourage everybody to get on jet planes and fly all over the planet to attend rock concerts to profess their concern for global warming.

Wan't to solve global warming? Stop having children, Kill your car, ride a bicycle, lose ten pounds, maybe lower your blood pressure and diabetic risk at the same time.

Posted by: S. Webster | May 4, 2008 6:27 PM

HRC and McCain are just offering you a piece of candy before they give you a big shot in the arm. Any real solution to high oil prices involves alternative energies. . . and apparently ethanol is not it.

Posted by: Cartman | May 4, 2008 6:29 PM

I'm sure Obama honestly believes the "gas tax holiday" is insignificant to his elitist supporters, but again, he shows no empathy for many "blue collar" Americans whom he needs to get elected.Many people, who work at or barely above minimum wage only take home around three hundred bucks a week, so saving 30 bucks a month is pretty significant. Many folks who drive older vehicles would save more than that; they cannot buy a new, (or even newer) fuel efficient vehicle than they already have; and "public transportation" is not an option in the majority of the country.They cannot change jobs, so they must drive as far as their boss who might own a new hybrid or at least cares little what fuel costs. During the summer is when most families take vacations, the cost savings would matter to folks who drive.Making the argument that since this is not a long-term fix, so therefore it's not worth bothering with is good for a sound byte, but is no more than "political spin".Even if everyone got together tomorrow and put a "man on the moon" effort forward to solve the energy crisis, the reality is it will take ten years after solving it before most of the vehicle fleet will be cycled.The problem for a lot of folks is "do I spend 300 a month on a car that will save me 50 bucks a month, or have no car payment and spend 50 more in gas." The answer is obvious, when health insurance has already been dropped by their budget.Obama makes around a million bucks a year; he can afford twenty dollar a gallon gas.Now, if Obama and his elitist supporters want to give all the blue collar folks a new fuel efficient hybrid, we can forget the fuel tax holiday.

Posted by: royco7 | May 4, 2008 6:32 PM

TO ANYONE WHO SAYS OBAMA DOESN'T HAVE A SOLUTION TO THE GAS TAX ISSUE:

Obama supports windfall profits tax on oil selling at or over $80 per barrel. This means that Obama will attack the problem, not by taking tax dollars away from needed infrastructure projects, but by FORCING the oil companies to sell oil at a reasonable price, or be subject to taxes on their windfall profits, which, once implemented, could then be used to reduce taxes on gasoline or fund other needed projects like bridges, roads, biofuel, etc.

The best part of this approach is that in one simple move, it converts the oil companies from lobbiests in their own interests to lobbiests in OUR interests, because they then have to demand that OPEC countries provide them with oil at affordable prices. Right now, there is no incentive for an oil company to do that. Oil costs goes up at the source (because OPEC won't pump enough), oil companies pass the additional cost to the consumer at the pump.

THAT, my friends, is a real, lasting, significant solution. That shows judgment. That's the difference between someone who is actively thinking about the divide between rich and poor in this country and someone who is pandering for votes.

I found this after 5 minutes of research on Obama's website. What this tells me is that those who say he has no plan either are too lazy to go look it up or are pretending he doesn't have a plan to serve their interests.

Hillary Clinton - I am against your gas tax holiday. I am for Barack Obama's real solution.

Posted by: What are you talking about? | May 4, 2008 6:32 PM

It was evident from the George and Hillary show this morning that Hillary does feel pain. Unfortunately for anyone standing near her, the pain she feels is not related to the price of gas at the pump.

Sadly, her body is full of noxious gas from all the human manure she is carrying inside of her. Just listen to or read the "manure' she is slinging in her media ads, her mailing and everytime she opens her mouth.

I just hope no one is standing down wind from her, it could be fatal. Even George tried to keep his distance from her.

Posted by: svbreeder | May 4, 2008 6:32 PM

Obama speaking in Fort Wayne, Indiana today said about the people in Indiana going through hard times that, "You lose your sense of dignity."

And the response from the crowd?

s i l e n c e

Obama is the most arrogant and elitist politician to come along in a long time.

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Is he ashamed of being raised by a single mother? Of being on food stamps for even a few months? Gawd almighty !!! This IS one of the most arrogant and elitist politicans to come around in a long time.


He is so out of it he doesn't even realize how deep a hole he keeps digging himself in. And if you want to appeal to the poor and working class, the strategy seems to be letting these voters know just how little right they have to be proud of their condition in life without a leg up from his big government spread-the-wealth programs.
It fits with his Messianic vision unintentionally conveyed with that early slogan "we're (ooops..."I'm") the change we've being waiting for."

When you're poor, dignity and self-respect can be all a person has left to feel like they a worthy human being.

What a loser !!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 4, 2008 6:32 PM

CHERYL:

You got it perfect.

Posted by: thetruth | May 4, 2008 6:33 PM

I think the person in the audience who made less than 25k per year said it best in her question:
"Call me crazy but I actually listen to economists because I think they know what they've studied."
Posted by: Jason | May 4, 2008 2:21 PM

My goodness yes. Just look at the wonderful shape our "experts" have placed us in. If you buy into this you deserve to blindly be lemmings over the cliff. To a family, there are many, who must decide how many days they must skip meals in order that their children will be fed $30.00 is a goldmine. If you have never had to do this I am happy for you but to not understand that people are that distressed and not give them that simple thing is just stupid. No one will be unemployed over this. Face it, the glossed over inadequate work by the the people who are supposed to be doing maintenance on the roads and bridges are the ones responsible for the bridge collapses. Perhaps we need new blood in the federal employees in this category.

More outrageous is the discussion over the "obliterate Iran" statement. I am in wonder of how people can forget the MADD policy the kept the world from "obliterating" the entire world. Either you need to step back and remember or perhaps you should ask for a refund of the student loan on the basis of not being taught historical basics.

Posted by: RetCombatVet | May 4, 2008 6:34 PM

This week was the turning point for me when Hillary went so far as to duplicate the pandering of McCain pushing a plan that will actually increase gas prices and give that $30 right back to the oil companies.

Shall we start calling her McClinton?

You know we're heading for disaster when the absurdity of this plan is pointed out to Clinton, rather than defend it on its own merit, she comes up with a "windfall oil profit tax". Best case, the oil companies make out even and pay for it with the extra money they make from us due to pander #1 (better to call it the "windfall driver tax").

But we don't even get the best case scenario. Since a "windfall" bill is DOA in congress - and she KNOWS it - we only get the worst case: a continuing rise in gas prices, more money taken from the middle and working classes resulting in a complete betrayal of the very group she claims to be helping the most.

The last straw for me was the "you're either with us or with the oil companies" - the same horrific Bush line when he isn't getting his way, wants to end all debate and rams whatever he wants down our throats. Sorry, eight years of this was bad enough - please, no more.

Hillary - it's you who are the elitist to assume the very people you claim to be helping will vote for you based on this scam. It's a shame because there are some great policies on your website that now, I am pretty convinced, you'll be happy to drop whenever it suits your purposes. More of the same is not going to win the election in November.

Meanwhile, I am seeing Obama, in a tough final fight to the finish - needing to do very well this week with everything else going on - sticking to a real policy that actually works rather than a soundbite that panders for quick votes.

My vote is for Obama.

Posted by: thinkresults | May 4, 2008 6:36 PM


hey HILLARY GUMP ! ! !

are the SNIPERS STILL SHOOTING AT YOU ? ? ?

LOL!

YOU BETTER RUN, HILLARY GUMP, RUN ! !

Posted by: BOB | May 4, 2008 6:38 PM

A small savings on gas is not any help. A windfall profits tax would be better both for the medical industry and the oil industries. OR, maybe it's time for price controls for them.

Posted by: BudS | May 4, 2008 6:40 PM


THAT'S RIGHT HILLARY GUMP!!!

GET THOSE LITTLE FAT LEGS OF YOURS RUNNING!

RRUUUUUUUUN HILLARY GUMP, RUUUUUUUUUUUN ! ! !

Posted by: BOB | May 4, 2008 6:41 PM

I was delighted to see the headline "Obama, Clinton Debate Gas Tax Holiday." I thought that Obama had finally decided to have a real debate with Clinton, one without an agenda that is set by moderators and reporters and their corporate bosses. But, sadly, he didn't.

Yes, I want Clinton to be the Democratic Party's nominee. But I'm going to vote for Obama if Clinton doesn't get the nomination. I absolutely don't want John McBush to be president.

Posted by: MatthewM1 | May 4, 2008 6:41 PM

barry obama and deval patrick two buddies
whom have made a lot of cash deval patrick
the govenor of the commonWEALTH of massachusetts signing auotographs in new york for his book while the state is squirming for money ie casino gambling.quite a dou from the same school
shame on ted kennedy!clinton will prevail.
obama is a soft shell.hillary will get it done

Posted by: thomas wilson | May 4, 2008 6:43 PM

Clinton's plan uses the oil companies windfall profit taxes to pay for the fuel tax holiday, so to all those fed employees so upset that someone's trying to take your gravy jobs should settle down.

Posted by: royco7 | May 4, 2008 6:46 PM

Obama is against the current gas tax holiday being proposed by Clinton and McCain because it is the ONLY "issue" that he can grasp ahold of to distinguish himself to the voters. Even though he voted three times while in Illinois Senate for gas tax holidays. Hmmmm, although he says that he learned his lesson from his days in Illinois, why did it take him three times voting for it to learn the lesson? The guy is arguing against the gas tax only because he thinks that he can play an angle about being a "different" kind of politician that isn't "pandering" to voters, etc., etc. Obama is being dishonest and his supporters are buying it, but the voters won't.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 4, 2008 6:46 PM

Hi royco7 - Hillary Clinton has already made prepositions to spend that windfall profit tax - so basically she has yet another conflict and has already put the plan in deficit. You can't spend the same windfall profit taxes as a recoup in different areas. The math just does not add up. Thats a major problem.

Posted by: Nicky1228 | May 4, 2008 6:49 PM

If we could somehow harness all the hot air Obama and his supporters produce we could solve the energy crisis....

Posted by: royco7 | May 4, 2008 6:51 PM

Well said royco7! I guess that kool-aid produces hot air after drinking...

Posted by: Anonymous | May 4, 2008 6:53 PM

Nicky1228; I don't think it was for this summer.

Posted by: royco7 | May 4, 2008 6:55 PM

Jeez!! I read through over 200 comments on this thread and finally figured that you guys just don't get it. No wonder Hillary has hoodwinked so many. Slick Willie taught her the art of slippery-slide and she's playing it for all it's worth. She put the head-fake on you and slithered right past. Look... For all you idiots out there with your head in the sand...the single most important comment of the whole interview was:

"Clinton repeated that the list of donors to her husband's foundation, which funds his presidential library and other charitable activities, will not be disclosed until the November election: "It's a national foundation, and like most national foundations, the rules were set up. People contributed under those rules. So going forward, if I'm president, we'll change the rules.""

But, sorry, we ain't telling you until I'm President.... If the Post or any other media outlet with some stones doesn't get on this, we have just had the slippery-slide of the 21st century pulled on us. You think Wright was controvery? My ass!!!
You ain't seen nothing yet! C'mon Hillary....open wide...we want to know what you and Slick Willie have been up to.

C'mon Post...get off your dead ass and start doing some real reporting for a change.

Posted by: LW | May 4, 2008 6:58 PM

Hillary Clinton has got it wrong when it comes to gas tax and ethanol. Not only has she got it wrong, she seems to be morphing her explanation about the whole thing as she hears new sound bites from economists around the country. She is changing the story as she goes along. George Stephanopolis asked her on a one on one interview about naming one economist that supports her theory and she did not have an answer. The only reason she is for the gas tax holiday is because she wants to side with McCain now and against Obama. She probably is getting her bank accounts filled with money from ethanol producing companies, and from Shell oil.

Posted by: Yuri Stefanovich | May 4, 2008 6:59 PM

Obama is against the gas tax holiday because his oil company campaign contributors do not like Clinton's idea of a windfall profits tax. Obama is just following through on the wishes of his big donors.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 4, 2008 7:00 PM

Let's implement the gas tax holiday and then Obama and his supporters can either boycott gas stations OR donate the 18 cents per gallon savings to their favorite charity. Everyone wins. The demand for gas goes down, further pushing gas prices down, so that a lot of people that care about the price of gas get a break and a lot of charities see a boost in donations. Let's do it!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 4, 2008 7:04 PM

If Obama has any hope of being President he needs to throw his big ugly Racist wife under the Bus alone with his Grandmother and the Rev. Wright. I am sure the Obama cult will believe him when he tells them he just discovery she was an American hating, Racist!


Part of the Obama snow job where he portrayed Rev. Wright's paranoid rants as coming from anger that is the baggage as the legacy of of old white racism, carried by old blacks. Well, there is current-day stuff that is alive and well, carried by the young blacks, that is a lot worse than the racism, sexism and homophobic intolerance of the older generation of blacks. It's called Hip Hop, Gangsta and Street culture. It's full of racism, paranoia, anger, violence, abuse of women, sexism and a whole lot of dysfunctional antisocial expression schemes. The social psychological disordered behavior that Rev. Wright's hate-speech-as-sermons represents and coveys to blacks and supported by Obama is alive and well in the current-day generation in Black America. It's just in a newer more dangerous carnation.

Blacks leaders should start speaking out about taking some personal responsibility for high rate of high school drop out, sexual promiscuity, children born out of wedlock, , absence of male parenting/role models, drugs, crime, incarceration, AIDS, instead of playing the victimhood game and blaming whites for black failures! Until that time there will always be hate mongers & race baiter,s to use them and profit from their plight like the Rev. Wright, Rev. Jessie Jackson, Rev. Al Sharpton, as well as 10,s of thousands of White and Black Politicians. In fact the whole Democrat party! Hand outs, instead of a hand up, is the means of keeping Blacks down and economic Slaves! Keeping Blacks as an race of victims and believing all of the above is Whitey fault is designed to keep them from progressing instead of a race of achievers! It is in the best interest of Black preachers and Democrat politicians! Blacks will never be lead to the promise land by hate mongering Preachers like Rev. Wright or by bottom feeding Politicians that wants and works to keep Blacks in the Ghetto, on Welfare, and voting Democrat!

Posted by: black sense | May 4, 2008 7:04 PM

Gas tax relief-useless. AS useless for the economy as were the 'rebates' Bush handed out this year.

STABILITY in pricing is what is neccessary. 'We' will collectively find a way to deal with high prices on fuel, by carpooling, by taking public transit where it's available, by planning trips for neccessities more carefully, vacationing closer to home. Volatility in the market is the biggest problem I see.

So, maybe it's time for every last one of us to DO something ourselves, stop looking to DC for answers, those people just tell you what you want to hear, and very seldom does any lasting good come of it.

Stop buying gas for foolish reasons. Get together with several in your area who all work in the same general area and share the costs. Take the train, or the bus a few days a week.

Posted by: Tired of it all | May 4, 2008 7:09 PM

A lot of postings about being stupid. The fact that Hillary Clinton garners what support she does is evidence enough of mass ignorance in the US. If there is any doubt about it look at the poll results that confirm that the less the education the more Americans tend to vote for Hillary. Conversely, the higher the education the higher the probability of voting for Obama. Please let's better fund higher education, if nothing else, so that Americans can demostrate a little more intellect in their voting.

Posted by: Sinlo | May 4, 2008 7:10 PM

No ordinary american under 35 will ever vote for saving 20 dollars next summer. They vote for living in a better America from now until 2060. They know challenges ahead are immense and they require long-term structural change and a change of mentality. And they have experimented how many years America has lost since w. is in the White House

I think, this is the main point... Older people think about tomorrow and can be manipulated by some demagogues, younger people think about their whole life and they don't trust demagogues.

Vote Obama 08!

Posted by: stearm | May 4, 2008 7:12 PM

I assume that anyone that opposes the Bush tax rebates will be either tearing their check up or will be sending it back to the US Treasury!?! If you think that the rebates are a bad idea and don't want the rebate then don't take it! Otherwise, you're a hypocrite and simply spouting off because you support Obama ... and will say anything or do anything to get him elected.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 4, 2008 7:16 PM

stearm wrote: No ordinary american under 35 will ever vote for saving 20 dollars next summer. They vote for living in a better America from now until 2060.

You're obviously a spoiled brat who doesn't worry about paying bills and meeting mortgage payments, since you are most likely being supported by your parents. By the way, if you only save $20 with the gas tax holiday, then you probably also either don't have your own car or you don't get out much.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 4, 2008 7:19 PM

Obama & Clinton supporters should beware. When you're reading comments, like this one, that are in response to Obama/Clinton news stories, keep in mind that there is high probability that the most outrageously false and slanderous comments (about either candidate) might be written by Republicans hoping to divide and conquer by creating more animosity than there should be.

Just food for thought before you let your emotions get the best of you.

For example, the posting by "Coldcomfort", above -- so ridiculously devoid of facts and objectivity, that no one (I hope) could be THAT "downscale". It has to be a Desperate-Republican posting.

Posted by: DiamdJim | May 4, 2008 7:21 PM

So many nations - so many people thankful for American jobs sent to them by Bill and Hillary Clinton:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xR8BCkZYcQ


Thank you ABC news for pointing out Bill and Hillary's patriotism!

Posted by: Woody | May 4, 2008 7:22 PM


UH OH!

WATCH OUT INDIANA!

HERE COMES HILLARY GUMP!!!

IT LOOKS LIKE SNIPERS ARE CHASING HER!!!

LOOK AT HER LITTLE FAT LEGS GO!!!!

RUUUUUN HILLARY GUMP, RUUUUUUUUUN!!!!!

Posted by: BOB | May 4, 2008 7:22 PM

Hmmm, maybe we should have proposed a "fuel holiday" on jet fuel, then all you rich elitists could add that to the refusal to pay the 25 bucks for using airports, even though General Aviation uses more than 85% of the resources. That should be something Obama and his crowd would like.

Posted by: royco7 | May 4, 2008 7:25 PM

Too bad Obama was raised by his granparents and went to private schools. He missed out on the lesson that chatting with a bully only increases your risk of getting beaten up.
Posted by: Karl

Too bad you weren't raised by your grand parents and didn't go to school at all, or you might have learned that the first step in conflict resolution is "DIALOGUE"

Posted by: str8 talk | May 4, 2008 7:25 PM

The absurdity in her comment brushing aside the opinion of experts (on gas tax) makes me wonder if she, not John McCain, will be 4 more years of Bush. -Posted by Kel

I cannot agree with you more Kel! And this one too "if Iran consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them." Clinton said April 22 in an interview with ABC.

Posted by: leighg1 | May 4, 2008 7:25 PM

All economists agree that there is ZERO saving to consumers!!! The suspension would only hike oil company profits! Besides, the suspension would cost 7000 construction jobs in NC because of the lost $9 billion highway fund!

The trouble is not she got the problem wrong, but she got it wrong purposely to fool the voters.

150 Economists, including 3 Nobel Prize Winners, issued an open letter May 2 opposing suspension of gas tax for the summer and called it a bad public policy. The letter says "Signers of this letter are Democrats, Republicans and Independents."

Link for the open letter here:
http://www.politico.com/static/PPM43_080502_list_gastax.html

Posted by: leighg1 | May 4, 2008 7:26 PM

A fact on Obama's life: After graduated from Columbia Univ., Obama took a job in IL at $12000/year plus $1000 for a car in the poorest, dirtiest neighborhood as a community organizer. All his family and friends thought he was crazy. How many of us can do that??? If this is not patriotism, what it is?

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tj

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Posted by: JenniferUSA | May 4, 2008 7:34 PM

leighg1 wrote:A fact on Obama's life: After graduated from Columbia Univ., Obama took a job in IL at $12000/year plus $1000 for a car in the poorest, dirtiest neighborhood as a community organizer. All his family and friends thought he was crazy. How many of us can do that??? If this is not patriotism, what it is?
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It's called filling a resume OR a new "reality" show.

Posted by: royco7 | May 4, 2008 7:34 PM

POLITICAL campaigning necessarily produces a wide gap between words and deeds. This is the price of bringing together a broad coalition with disparate interests. All effective politicians are at times authentically insincere or sincerely inauthentic. Exaggeration, embellishment, overstatement, doubletalk, deception and lies presented as metaphorical truths are the order of the day.

So, of course, Barack Obama is no different. He exaggerates the credit he deserves for a limited piece of ethics-reform legislation. He embellishes when he presents himself as having had a consistent record on the Iraq war when in fact he's done a fair amount of zigzagging.

He engages in doubletalk when, on free trade and Iraq, he tells the yokels one thing and the policy people another. He overstates when he presents his minimal accomplishments in the Illinois Senate as proof of his stature. He engages in systematic deception when he says he doesn't take money from lobbyists.

He presents a lie as metaphorical truth when he says it was the 1965 bloody Sunday attacks on peaceful civil rights protesters in Selma, Alabama, that inspired his parents to marry. (They had been married for years already.)

All of this is unappealing, but also unexceptional. What makes it different is that there's not just a gap but a chasm between his actions and his professed principles, which would normally kill a candidacy. And because his deeds are so few, the disparity is all the more salient.

Obama, far more than the others, is the "judge me by what I say and not what I do" candidate. He wants to be the conscience of the country without necessarily having one himself.

The disparity between Obama's rhetoric of transcendence and his conventional Chicago racial and patronage politics is a leitmotiv of his political career. In New York, politicians (Al Sharpton excepted) are usually forced to pay at least passing tribute to universal principles and the ideal of clean government.

Posted by: Fred | May 4, 2008 7:35 PM

Obama reminds of President Carter, but even worse. Carter was so indecisive during the hostage situation in Iran. Reagan showed strength against Iran and the hostages were released.Clinton,s talk was no talk. It is a warning to Iran, and countries like Iran understand only one kind of talk: "or else".
Obama had shown how weakling and indecisive he is. He will be doing worse to America. Bush's show of strength is misplaced. But I think indecisiveness and rhetorics will even do more damage to the country. Clinton is as experienced one could get as a president. Imagine a junior senator and an unexperienced as Obama will run the greatest power in the world? How stupid people to think that talks and rhetorics make a good leader. I have never seen such idiocy in my life.

Posted by: Bob | May 4, 2008 7:36 PM

gOd DaMn yOu All AnYwaY!


sponsored by Trinity Church, live in peace!

Posted by: rEv | May 4, 2008 7:39 PM

88


Joe Andrew, Superdelegate, Homosexual:

deed: cast vote auspiciously, as obama poll numbers falter.

reason: views homosexual marriage as a top priority under an obama administration.


88

Posted by: anton | May 4, 2008 7:42 PM

Must be difficult for the lefties to accept this reality they find themselves in. I feel sorrow for those who live a life of denial! There's always specialist who can help though, so not all's lost)))

Posted by: JenniferUSA | May 4, 2008 7:45 PM

Statistics show the horse race has long been over;
Please tell the Media to report this reality.

Fantastically level-headed numerical analysis that illustrates how the Media is falsely telling us the Obama/Clinton contest is a horse race. In fact the analysis shows us that the horse-race has no clothes--- er -- no basis in fact. It is a misstatement --you know, the Hillary kind.

excerpt:
'Here's a rule I would like every political reporter, campaign official, TV talking head, and politician in the United States to follow. Go ahead and say, if you like, that Hillary Clinton retains a serious chance of winning the Democratic nomination. If you say this, however, you must describe a set of circumstances whereby this could happen. Try not to make it sound like a fairy tale.'

Hillary Clinton, fairy princess. - By Timothy Noah - Slate Magazine
http://www.slate.com/id/2190556/

Obama-Clinton Funny Math:
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_david_sw_080503_obama_clinton_funny_.htm

Posted by: Kristin2 | May 4, 2008 7:46 PM

Posted by Bob: Obama reminds of President Carter, but even worse. Carter was so indecisive during the hostage situation in Iran. Reagan showed strength against Iran.

And we also saw how decisive Reagan was in Lebanon, when over 200 marines were blown away. Your candidate's rhetoric was stupid and irresponsible. For someone touting 35 yrs of experience she comes off sounding like a juvenile.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 4, 2008 7:50 PM

Posted by: cheryl | May 4, 2008 3:16 PM

"Hillary Clinton is the only candidate that actually knows what she is talking about and is therefore able to stand up against popular opinion and speak out for Americans. She has never taken the easy road and said what people want to hear."

MRS CLINTON DOESN'T KNOW WHAT SHE IS TALKING ABOUT; CHECK OUT WHAT SHE SAID ABOUT JEANETTE RANKIN AND THE WOMAN'S VOTE IN MONTANA. HER ILLOGIC ABOUT THE GAS HOLIDAY ETC. THE GENIUS WAY SHE HAS RUN HER CAMPAIGN. SHE DOESN'T STAND UP TO POPULAR OPINION BUT WOOS IT. SHE HAS NEVER WORKED HARD FOR ANYONE BUT HERSELF AND HER SENATE RECORD PROVES IT. SHE ALWAYS TAKES THE EASY ROAD AND IS THE QUEEN OF PANDERERS. IF SHE WERE NOT THE WIFE OF BILL CLINTON WE WOULD NEVER HAVE HEARD OF HER.

She tells you what she thinks, YOU MEAN SHE TELLS YOU WHAT SHE THINKS YOU WISH TO HEAR?

Hillary Clinton is the best hope for an America of Peace and Prosperity. YES, CHECK OUT SMALL TOWNS IN NY STATE AND SEE THE PROSPERITY SHE HAS WROUGHT. AND AS FAR AS PEACE; SHE NOW WANTS TO BOMB IRAN

Posted by: TITIVILLUS | May 4, 2008 7:50 PM

Obama uses "free" concerts to get early voters. Since Dave Matthews doesn't seem to be Michelle's style, I guess those smart college kids that can't wipe their a** without a computer are the voters he's targeting.

Posted by: royco7 | May 4, 2008 7:51 PM

Time for the left to get defensive, as here's what's coming this fall:

Issues to grind Obama on,


Partial Birth Abortion
Right to bear arms
Homosexual Marriage
Immigration
Crime
White Flag over Iraq
Bill Ayers
Patriotism
Taxes
Experience
Anti-Working Class
Doublespeak
Bi-Partisanship

oh, and yes, why he spent 20 years hanging out at Trinity Church.


There's enough ammunition here, to sink a liberal battleship!


Enjoy

Posted by: qvlove | May 4, 2008 7:56 PM

It is unfortunate that R. Hewison is on target about Obama's tendency. He seems to catch himself quickly on many slips, but the alleged tendency and his need to play some politics as usual (to avoid alienating so many normally neurotic factions in his potential constituency (us)) puts him in a double bind on critical issues disturbing the media pundits and naive swing voters and fence straddlers. For example, Obama could smack down Billary's "summer gas tax holiday" bribery by calling it her "Summer Fantasy Holiday". That's not an attack or an argument, it's reality. But he's being too cerebral about it. Hillary is giving him another perfect opportunity to safely skewer her and come across strong and clean and as presidential as President Wild Bill (was) but, again, he's passing it up. To bag 2 fowl (birds) with one shot, all he has to do is remind everyone that Hillary and McCain love the Fantasy Holiday scam because they know there's no way to deliver it this summer. It's better than giving away Cindy McCain's beer on election day. Right? It's a typical Republicrat insult to the intelligence of all caring, wakeful Americans. But, if he wants to be smooth as polished steel, he can just say it sounds good, then ask what does "this summer" mean? Then ask "exactly how will they accomplish this miracle?" Is it like instant ethics reform, just add VooDoo? Then Obama could tell the truth and call it pushing false-hope in the first degree and nobody could blame him. He could smack down McCain for admitting the truth about oil wars. Shame on Billary and McCain! This is not Mohammed Ali and Forman rumbling in the Jungle. It could be like Clay vs Liston or prime Bruce Lee vs G.W. Bush, but if Barack won't do it...? If not, then it will be a much rockier road to the convention and beyond.

Posted by: mlmonterey | May 4, 2008 7:57 PM

Obliterate Iran. Talk about saber rattling...wow. Sounds like she is pandering to the Israeli lobby for votes because the issue has no practical significance for US policy. Israel has enough nuclear weapons to "obliterate" Iran themselves if they so chose. Notice she brings up that Media beaten-to-death mistranslation by Ahmadinejad when he referred to wiping out the regime NOT the people of Israel . Now she has topped him in irresponsible rhetoric by saying she would obliterate the people.

A presidential candidate who lightly commits to obliterating Iran - and, thus, all the children, parents, and grandparents in Iran should not get our vote. Obama is the one who has the integrity, judgment and vision to run this country and to repair our world image.

Hillary Strangelove - The Boston Globe
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_
opinion/editorials/articles/2008/04/27/hillary_strangelove/
**************

Posted by: Kristin2 | May 4, 2008 7:58 PM

Is it just me or is Shillary morphing into Bush III?

Posted by: Tired of it all | May 4, 2008 7:58 PM

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68


WHAT THE LEFT NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND:

HAGEE REMARKS WERE CONDESCENDING

WRIGHT REMARKS WERE RACIST, UNPATRIOTIC, AND ELITIST


STOMACH THAT, COME DOWN TO EARTH, AND GET BACK WITH US...

68


TJ

Posted by: Tom Jefferson | May 4, 2008 8:01 PM

Implement the gas tax holiday and then everyone can spend their time telling everyone else "I told you so." BUT, the folks that really need some financial relief will have gotten some, even if its just a little bit, as Obama is saying, since he doesn't care anything about working class people and only cares about getting elected.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 4, 2008 8:03 PM

Is there a place, outside our borders, where all the America haters can go, once JMC is in the White House?

Posted by: way out there | May 4, 2008 8:04 PM

Today Hillary defends her "obliterate Iran" comment
on ABC's Sunday morning program "This Week".
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

Obliterate Iran!! Talk about saber rattling...wow. Sounds like Hillary is pandering to the Israeli lobby for votes because the issue has no practical significance for US policy. Israel has enough nuclear weapons to "obliterate" Iran themselves if they so chose. Notice she brings up that Media beaten-to-death mistranslation by Ahmadinejad when he referred to wiping out the regime NOT the people of Israel . Now she has topped him in irresponsible rhetoric by saying she would obliterate the people of Iran.

A presidential candidate who lightly commits to obliterating Iran - and, thus, all the children, parents, and grandparents in Iran -- should NOT get our vote. Obama is the one who has the integrity, judgment and vision to run this country and to repair our world image.

Posted by: Kristin2 | May 4, 2008 8:05 PM

Perhaps Obama thinks he can have trade talks with Ahmadinejad; I'm sure he'll like to help the Persian rug industry in his country.

Posted by: royco7 | May 4, 2008 8:05 PM

Here is Pastor Hagee comparing the Catholic chuch to Nazi Germany. John McCain appeared with pastor Hagee along with John Cornyn, Senator from Texas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uViQ0hVV57Q

Has anyone in the media asked John McCain.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 4, 2008 8:08 PM

Obama:

Harvard - Affirmative Action

State Legislature - Mired in Resko controversy; lost when he made an overly ambitious run for Congress because, as is painfully obvious now, he is obsessed climbing the political ladder/being President.

U.S Senate - Served only two years, of which it's completely clear now he spent every minute and vote calculating his run for President.

I'm sorry... I just don't see it. WHERE IS THE EXPERIENCE???

Posted by: chance | May 4, 2008 8:11 PM

I watched both Hillary on "This Week" and Obama on "Meet the Press" (courtesy of Tivo). The difference between them was striking. If I hear one more "uh" or "you know" from Obama today, I think I'm going to have a headache. The guy is always looking for the next lie, I mean word, and is very irritating to listen to. As usual, his discussion was amply pepper with misrepresentations. Hillary, on the other hand, was fluid and capable in her responses. She shows a command of the issues that Obama can only hope to have someday. The more I see him without his teleprompter, the more I question his alleged intellectual prowess. No wonder he is afraid to debate Hillary again.

Posted by: Fred | May 4, 2008 8:12 PM

["We've been for the last seven years seeing a tremendous amount of government power and elite opinion basically behind policies that haven't worked well for the middle class and hard-working Americans," she said.]

"Elite opinion"?!?!?!? Hillary, you are sounding more and more like the neocons.

First you need to look up the word elite.

[1 a: singular or plural in construction : the choice part : cream b: singular or plural in construction : the best of a class]

So according to Hillary we don't want to listen to the best in class. We prefer our info dumbed down.

Enough with this political hack already.

She is still a republican at heart.

Posted by: Sparky | May 4, 2008 8:18 PM

The debate over the gas tax being suspended over the summer reminds one of the discussions over the shape of the negotiating table in the Vietnam War. Both discussions underlie the utter uselessness and futility in solving the underling problems.
How about " no one for president .... maybe Garfield, the Cat ... you've done worse!"

Posted by: Peter Roach | May 4, 2008 8:20 PM

Posted by Fred: The guy is always looking for the next lie, I mean word, and is very irritating to listen to. As usual, his discussion was amply pepper with misrepresentations. Hillary, on the other hand, was fluid and capable in her responses.

You seem to be falling for the wiles of a seasoned and well-practiced liar. Does she even know what she said, or believe any of it? That is the dilemma one faces when confronted with a pathological liar.

Posted by: str8 talk | May 4, 2008 8:33 PM

The Hillary Clinton of late is seeming more an more like McCain-lite: e.g. gas-tax, get tough on Iran.

At the rate its going Hillary might actually win--if she were the nominee, NOT BECAUSE people suddenly developed a favorable opinion, but because they couldn't real tell the difference between her and John McCain.

Posted by: A Dem. | May 4, 2008 8:34 PM

I cannot believe that any educated and thoughtful Democrats believe that Hilllary, after her campaign, will either best for the country or the Democratic ticket in the fall. If we nominate her, we deserve to lose the White House, Congress, and the Supreme Court. It may be time for all good people to come to the aid of their party.

Posted by: Sooner1 | May 4, 2008 8:34 PM

Sparky: Just another Obama supporter misrepresentation. Elite has several meanings; yours is only one of them. Ah, but you knew that, didn't you?

Posted by: Fred | May 4, 2008 8:34 PM

STR8TALK: FOR LACK OF SPACE, JUST A FEW OF OBAMA'S LIES: 1. his continual reference to his "Christian" faith, which is actually "black liberation theology"; 2. his lies and omissions about his connection to his racist and anti-American "mentor and spiritual adviser"; 3. his lie that the Kennedy family provided the funding for a September 1959 airlift of 81 Kenyan students to the United States that included Obama's father; 4. his current false ad in Pennsylvania in which he lies about taking contributions from the oil companies; 5. his alleged continual opposition to the Iraq war; 6. his denial regarding playing the race card (for which he was busted by Tim Russert); 7. his denial that any meeting took place between his chief economic adviser and the Canadian official about NAFTA; 8. his changing testimony about his relationship with and monetary support from Rezko; 9. his lie about a pharmaceutical lobbyist's involvement in his campaign; 10. his statement that his parents met at the Selma march (when he was actually born 4 year before that); 11. his claim in his book that he received his racial awakening at age nine reading a Life/Ebony Magazine story about a black man who was scarred trying to dye his skin white, when both Life and Ebony say there was no such article. AND JUST A FEW OF OBAMA'S FLIP-FLOPS: 1. Special interests In January, the Obama campaign described union contributions to the campaigns of Clinton and John Edwards as "special interest" money. Obama changed his tune as he began gathering his own union endorsements. He now refers respectfully to unions as the representatives of "working people" and says he is "thrilled" by their support. 2. Public financing Obama replied "yes" in September 2007 when asked if he would agree to public financing of the presidential election if his GOP opponent did the same. Obama has now attached several conditions to such an agreement, including regulating spending by outside groups. His spokesman says the candidate never committed himself on the matter. 3. The Cuba embargo In January 2004, Obama said it was time "to end the embargo with Cuba" because it had "utterly failed in the effort to overthrow Castro." Speaking to a Cuban American audience in Miami in August 2007, he said he would not "take off the embargo" as president because it is "an important inducement for change." 4. Illegal immigration In a March 2004 questionnaire, Obama was asked if the government should "crack down on businesses that hire illegal immigrants." He replied "Oppose." In a Jan. 31, 2008, televised debate, he said that "we do have to crack down on those employers that are taking advantage of the situation." 5. Decriminalization of marijuana While running for the U.S. Senate in January 2004, Obama told Illinois college students that he supported eliminating criminal penalties for marijuana use. In the Oct. 30, 2007, presidential debate, he joined other Democratic candidates in opposing the decriminalization of marijuana.

Posted by: Fred | May 4, 2008 8:36 PM

OBAMA HAS NEVER REPRESENTED "CHANGE" IN POLITICS. IF YOU DARE, SEE HOW OBAMA OBTAINED HIS FIRST ELECTIVE OFFICE: Chicago Sun-Times--A close examination of Obama's first campaign clouds the image he has cultivated throughout his political career: Obama, who runs on a message of giving a voice to the voiceless, first entered public office not by leveling the playing field, but by clearing it. Alice Palmer, friend and mentor to Obama, served the district in the Illinois Senate for much of the 1990s. Decades earlier, she was a community organizer in the area when Obama was growing up in Hawaii. She risked her safe seat to run for Congress and touted Obama as a suitable successor. But when Palmer lost the congressional race, her supporters asked Obama to fold his campaign so she could easily retain her state Senate seat. Obama not only refused to step aside for the woman who was his friend and had recommended him for the seat, he filed challenges that nullified Palmer's hastily gathered nominating petitions, forcing her to withdraw. Had Palmer survived the petition challenge, Obama would have faced the daunting task of taking on an incumbent senator. "He wondered if we should knock everybody off the ballot. How would that look?" said Ronald Davis, the paid Obama campaign consultant whom Obama referred to as his "guru of petitions." Davis filed objections to all four of Obama's Democratic rivals at the candidate's behest. All other candidates were disposed of by Obama's challenges. He then went on to win the election.

http://tinyurl.com/2zwwte

Posted by: Fred | May 4, 2008 8:38 PM

Hillary has done an excellent job of of misleading, with the experience.

Her 35 years of experience is only true if she includes the time spent as a corporate lawyer, and a few other details that she probably wouldn't like to emphasize.

When push comes to shove, she's not actually that much more "experienced" than Barack Obama. For instance, she hasn't been in the Senate much longer than Obama.

Posted by: A Dem. | May 4, 2008 8:40 PM

Karl Rove explains in detail on Fox News that Hillary would be the toughest Democratic candidate. Rush Limbaugh tells Republicans to register Democrat and vote for Hillary. Fox News endlessly attacks Obama. The North Carolina Republican Party makes ads against Obama. Either these folks don't want to run against Obama or they just don't want a black man to be president. How thick do Democrats need to be? Republicans do no want to run against Obama.

Posted by: Kevin R. | May 4, 2008 8:47 PM

Remember Lee Iacocca, the man who rescued Chrysler Corporation from it's death throes? He has a new book, and here are some excerpts. Lee Iacocca says:
"Am I the only guy in this country who's fed up with what's happening?
Where the hell is our outrage? We should be screaming bloody murder.
We've got a gang of clueless bozos steering our ship of state right over a cliff, we've got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can't even clean up after a hurricane much less build a hybrid car.
But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, "Stay the course"

Stay the course? You've got to be kidding. This is America , not the damned "Titanic". I'll give you a sound bite: "Throw all the bums out!"

You might think I'm getting senile, that I've gone off my rocker, and maybe I have. But someone has to speak up. I hardly recognize this country anymore.
The most famous business leaders are not the innovators but the guys in handcuffs. While we're fiddling in Iraq , the Middle East is burning
and nobody seems to know what to do. And the press is waving 'pompoms' instead of asking hard questions. That's not the promise of the " America " my parents and yours traveled across the ocean for. I've had enough. How about you?

Posted by: lwhite3 | May 4, 2008 9:01 PM

What's In A Word?

What does Hillary mean when she derides him and calls him "elitist"? Does she mean to label her opponent as a leader, a superachiever, or the best? What about educated? He hasn't got power nor has he over a hundred million dollars (like she has). No, she probably means intellectual like those economists who agree with him and not with her. She likes to equate elitism with being "out of touch". With whom may I ask? I guess that she means he's out of touch with those people who are his opposite: minion, powerless, poorer, old, female, white, single, rural, uneducated, underachievers, unintellectual, unemployed, unsuccessful, underprivileged, childless, disabled, sick, inferior ... (the list goes on). Listen, folks. Der Fuehrer said the same provocative, hate-stirring lies about Jews and look what it cost us Germans.

Michael West in Germany

Posted by: Michael West | May 4, 2008 9:05 PM

Sean (at 5:21) thank you for making an intelligent comment! It's so true that people will drive out of their way to save 2 cents a gallon on gas, but now they are sniffing at saving 18 cents a gallon. Hillary is demonstrating in a real way how gas prices are hurting our economy. She is making a point. The other key part to this gas holiday is the amount of money truckers will save--costs that are passed onto us in food prices. So the holiday makes sense on both ends. Our part in this is not to respond to the lower prices by buying more gas, a point Hilary has made. THIS IS JUST ONE PART OF HER PLAN. She has many long-term solutions she will be at work at including developing alternative energy sources that do not affect our food prices,raising gas mileage standards on cars, not buying more oil at these prices for the strategic oil reserve which is 97% full, etc. all outlined at Hillary.com. Somebody on this post praised these as Obama's solutions, but they were Hillary's solutions long before they were Obama's (as is the case with most of his policies)

I find it amusing that so many are saying she is thinking like McCain. Isn't is Obama who always says the Democrats don't have a moratorium on good ideas? Now he's trying to attack her for being like a Republican. You can't have it both ways, Obama!

Posted by: LMC | May 4, 2008 9:06 PM

Obama is against the gasoline tax holiday only because he didn't think of it first. So now he has no choice but to oppose it. Once again Hillary is out in front and correct on an issue.

Posted by: John | May 4, 2008 9:10 PM

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This is a ....MUST SEE.... video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8lvc-azCXY&eurl=http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/

It puts this...All..Events...in perspective.

Posted by: Liz Mahoney | May 4, 2008 9:10 PM

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obliterate iran, come on dummies,

any president would do that if iran nuked israel.

who do you lefties think your fooling anyway? that's the problem with you guys, you think everyone is so stupid that you can shoot your mouths off in any old fashion, and the whole nation is just going to take it in stride, like it's the work of god, or something. what a bunch of pathetic idiots!

Posted by: warmonger | May 4, 2008 9:11 PM

Posted by Fred: STR8TALK FOR LACK OF SPACE, JUST A FEW OF OBAMA'S LIES:

I hear what you are saying Fred. The nature of politics what it is, often times there are acts of embellishment, exaggeration and unfortunately outright lies. But in the case of Clinton there is a documented record going back to the '70's, her
being a notorious liar. I give you travelgate, filegate in which one of her aids admitted to removing certain files from Vince Foster's office after his alleged suicide. She supported her husband's NAFTA policy which she now opposes, as she did her Iraq vote for war. Her chief of staff met with Colombia gov't officials allegedly without her prior knowledge, on a policy she publicly opposed. She came under attack in Bosnia by snipers. In a speech one day she claimed McCain was of better commander in chief mettle than was Obama, a day later she was quoted as saying he (McCain) was no better than Bush. I only recently learned she was kicked off the watergate committee for you guessed it, lying. Any mis-steps that Obama have committed, in the grand scheme of things is but a pittance compared to the skeletons in this woman's cemetery. A closet couldn't possibly hold them.

Posted by: str8 talk | May 4, 2008 9:14 PM

gOd DaMn All Of YoU FooLs!

Posted by: rEv | May 4, 2008 9:14 PM

I really don't like McCain, Obama, or Clinton, but this Gas Tax Holiday situation is actually interesting to me. It is interesting mainly because:

1) There is no way it could ever be approved by Congress & BUSH. Ok, let's help the people right? Principle of the thing. Ok fine.

2) How could it possibly work? So you take a tax on the gas at the pump and put it on the gas at the oil companies instead. What exactly is that going to change? Forget about the increase in demand negating any positive price effects; before that happens the oil companies are just going to raise prices to offset their new losses. Why the heck wouldn't they, the government can't force them to set prices... if it tried to the proverbial $&!% would hit the fan all across the board.

Obama says this is a baby-talking gimmick; something that sets him apart from the others, and for once I think I actually agree. I really really really hate his hopeyness, but it looks to me like he's actually walking the walk here instead of just talking the talk as this plan is obviously a failure from all practical perspectives, leaving the question of why Clinton/McCain would propose it. Answer: Votes. People will believe &*$@ing anything, just look at the last 8 years.

If Obama comes out with more intelligent and practical positions over the coming months, be they "doing something" or "not doing something", I might actually vote for him instead of Mickey Mouse.

Posted by: Matthew M. | May 4, 2008 9:16 PM

Obama supporters are immature, naive, and obnoxious.

They do more damage to their candidate than McCain ever could.

They rave about his "character" and how he's "a different kind of politician" without knowing anything about his history in Chicago or how dirty a campaign he's run.

There's a very good site, http://www.attacktimeline.com that shows just how dirty his attacks have been from the beginning in a timeline format

Obama supporters show a level of naivity not seen since "the children's crusade"

They fail to realize that his central arugment, conflating of the peace and prosperity of the Clinton years with the war and economic disaster of the Bush years, and his claim that he will "change" the tone in washington by changing how he interacts with republicans are both incorrect and illogical.

Obama's young supporters don't understand that the Clinton years of the 90's were great for America and just how much American's lives improved economically.

Obama's supporters fail to understand that by adopting right-wing anti-Clinton talking points that they are devaluing Democrats most valuable historical resource.

Finally, Obama supporters are showing people that read these blogs that Obama brings out the worst in people, not the best, and divides people, rather than bringing them together.

Obama is not qualified to run the country. He doesn't have the character or the judgment to do so.

What he does have is a rabid cult following that turns everyone who is not in it completely off to them and him.

McCain could not ask for a better opponent.

If Obama's the Democratic nominee, McCain will be the next President.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 4, 2008 9:23 PM

Excepts from: PJB: A Brief for Whitey
By Patrick J. Buchanan
... This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:
First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.
Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.
Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the '60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream.
see more of Pat Buchanan memo referenced below. http://buchanan.org/blog/?p=969

Posted by: lwhite3 | May 4, 2008 9:24 PM

Hillary is going to obliterate Iran. She thinks all the other countries will just sit there and watch US obliterate Iran. Russia, China, India and a whole lot of other countries get their oil from Iran. Are they all going to sit there and watch Hillary obliterate Iran? I think both Clintons are living in a dream world. Bill Clinton was afraid to fight in Vietnam and he dodged the draft by running off to Britain. Hillary wants everybody to think that she participated in some war, so she makes war stories like dodging sniper fire in Bosnia. If Hillary gets the nomination, then we will have a choice among two candidates Hillary and McCain who want to obliterate other countries. The best thing for Hillary is to run as McCain's running mate since both of them have the same idea about obliterating Iran as well as getting rid of the gas tax for a few days to give people money to buy coffee from starbucks for a couple of days.

Posted by: Stan Palofsky | May 4, 2008 9:30 PM

Yeah, Hil, avoid those "elitist experts" like the plague. Everything you needed to know, you learned over a shot and a beer, listening to the mumbles of the schlub on the next stool.

Posted by: laboo | May 4, 2008 9:33 PM

Hillary said she'd obliterate Iran if it nuked Israel.

What would Obama supporters sugggest the US do if Iran nuked Israel?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 4, 2008 9:37 PM

Obama talks about "white folk" - how "white folk can be mean and then some" - that white folk have "a particular brand of arrogance".

Barack Obama resents being white. He is a pretender. He has overcompensated. He is a sicko.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI77cU3jsFs

Posted by: Anonymous | May 4, 2008 9:43 PM

Obama talks about being "a community organizer in Chicago"

Here's what happened after he got elected State Senator.

Please Watch this report on Obama, Obama's slums, Rezko, and $100M of wasted taxpayer money, from Channel 5, NBC news, Chicago's most respected TV news program.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHsHM0laT8&feature=related

How do you explain away the fact that Barry Obama never followed up on the 11 slums that his friend Rezko was supposed to repair in Obama's district in Chicago, and continued to do nothing about the 40 slums that Rezko was supposed to repair or replace in Chicago, even after Obama joined the US Senate?

From the Chicago Sun Times:

For more than five weeks during the brutal winter of 1997, tenants shivered without heat in a government-subsidized apartment building on Chicago's South Side.

It was just four years after the landlords -- Antoin "Tony'' Rezko and his partner Daniel Mahru -- had rehabbed the 31-unit building in Englewood with a loan from Chicago taxpayers.

Rezko and Mahru couldn't find money to get the heat back on.

But their company, Rezmar Corp., did come up with $1,000 to give to the political campaign fund of Barack Obama, the newly elected state senator whose district included the unheated building....

The building in Englewood was one of 30 Rezmar rehabbed in a series of troubled deals largely financed by taxpayers. Every project ran into financial difficulty. More than half went into foreclosure, a Chicago Sun-Times investigation has found.

"Their buildings were falling apart,'' said a former city official. "They just didn't pay attention to the condition of these buildings.''

Eleven of Rezko's buildings were in Obama's state Senate district....

Rezko and Mahru had no construction experience when they created Rezmar in 1989 to rehabilitate apartments for the poor under the Daley administration. Between 1989 and 1998, Rezmar made deals to rehab 30 buildings, a total of 1,025 apartments. The last 15 buildings involved Davis Miner Barnhill & Galland during Obama's time with the firm.

Rezko and Mahru also managed the buildings, which were supposed to provide homes for poor people for 30 years. Every one of the projects ran into trouble:

* Seventeen buildings -- many beset with code violations, including a lack of heat -- ended up in foreclosure.

* Six buildings are currently boarded up.

* Hundreds of the apartments are vacant, in need of major repairs.

* Taxpayers have been stuck with millions in unpaid loans.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 4, 2008 9:48 PM

Hillary may be as smart and knowledgeable as anyone who has run for the job. That makes this even more sad...She knows the Gas Tax holiday is wrong. But she can sell it with conviction!! This just makes me sad.

Posted by: bill | May 4, 2008 9:49 PM

they would suggest,

talk to them, ask them why they nuked israel, they would offer them trade incentives, if they would be nicer, they would suggest endless hours in the u.n. to work out the issues, they would talk to them some more,....

pinkos, everyone of them!

Posted by: warmonger | May 4, 2008 9:50 PM

Most folks that need a break on fuel prices don't go to Starbucks.

Posted by: royco7 | May 4, 2008 9:50 PM

Pandering? Plenty of that going around. What about Sen Obama's support for licenses for the undocumented? This was a commitment he made prior to the primary in California in order to attract Hispanic votes. It's a completely empty "promise" that he can't deliver. Both NY and California tried to provide licenses to the undocumented and failed. If it's not possible in very liberal states w/ large immigrant populations, it's certainly not possible at the federal level. Surely Sen Obama knows that. So, these empty "promises" are just a part of political campaigns. Experienced voters know that and expect it. There's one difference between Sen Obama and Sen Clinton. He claims to be offering the "new politics" on a higher moral plane, based on honesty. That's no more true of him than it is of her. She doesn't claim to be anything other than what she is. She is the reality candidate, he is the fantasy candidate. In other words, they are both politicians, but he is also a hypocrite, claiming to be something other than what he is.

Dis Russert call him on this? Of course not. The media continues its blatantly biased coverage of the Democratic nomination race and gives him, yet another free pass.

Posted by: Yellow Dog | May 4, 2008 9:51 PM

A person wrote:Obama's young supporters don't understand that the Clinton years of the 90's were great for America and just how much American's lives improved economically.

You appear to more naive and perhaps stupid in the bargain, compared to those supporters you so obnoxiously ridicule. What you fail to appreciate is that this isn't the '90s. This is a different time, the country faces challenges that were not on anyone's mind back them. This is no time to be looking back, we need forward thinkers to help navigate us out this mess. And Hillary is not Bill. So before you run off at the mouth, pull your head out your a*s and take a good look at the world around you, then educate yourself.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 4, 2008 9:51 PM

Looks like the Obama spin doctors are at it again. I am sorry, but the more I hear this guy the more I think he is an empty suit, which reporters covering this race say he is. Polls show he will not win in November so why are Democrats wasting their time on this candidate. He has no experience, no vision and has divided Hispanics and blacks, has lost the Catholic vote, the Jewish vote, the senior vote, the middle-class vote. How can he win in November. Don't think Democrats are going to unite behind this guy. McCain will garner a high percentage of Demcratic votes if Obama is the nominee. This nation does not need Obama.

Posted by: Political Watchdog | May 4, 2008 9:57 PM

So, Obama goes face to face with Russert, who is famous for orchestrating "gotcha" moments with politicians of all stripes, and does a fine job. Hillary sits down/stands up with her husband's former employee, who owes everything he has to the Clintons. And who's supposed to have the cojones?

Posted by: Lucky Lakeshore | May 4, 2008 10:02 PM

harried u might want slow down on that "magic juice" ... every repub I know is pushing HillyBilly very hard .. they win before Nov if she makes it and John would not have to break a sweat .. after all choice would be the real and the phony side of the same coin !!!

Posted by: somaz | May 4, 2008 10:04 PM

Someone very young wrote: A person wrote:Obama's young supporters don't understand that the Clinton years of the 90's were great for America and just how much American's lives improved economically.

You appear to more naive and perhaps stupid in the bargain, compared to those supporters you so obnoxiously ridicule. What you fail to appreciate is that this isn't the '90s. This is a different time, the country faces challenges that were not on anyone's mind back them. This is no time to be looking back, we need forward thinkers to help navigate us out this mess. And Hillary is not Bill. So before you run off at the mouth, pull your head out your a*s and take a good look at the world around you, then educate yourself.
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I didn't make the original comment, but you seem to not remember the real estate market tanked in the late eighties, the stock market crashed (500+points in one day on a much smaller market, and we had a tanked economy in 91 and 92. Perhaps you were still writing with crayons back then.

Posted by: royco7 | May 4, 2008 10:06 PM

Posted by Political Watchdog: He has no experience, no vision and has divided Hispanics and blacks.

It is said, sometimes it is better to be silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. This is such a time for you. Blacks and Hispanics were already divided, thanks to the mutual distrust they have for each other. How? Fostered by hack politicians who use divide and conquer politics to achieve their aims.

What is the experience of Clinton, 6 yrs in the senate and 29 riding her husband's coattails if not his phallus. McCain is a good guy, but he is yesterday's news. Only one choice, Hack. Get onboard!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 4, 2008 10:09 PM

Israel already has a nuclear arsenal thanks to the U.S., so they are more than capable of defending themselves.

Iran has an election coming up, in which will probably vote Ahmadinejad out of office because of economic reasons. Then who will be the boogeyman?

This doesn't have anything to do with issues, but I have to ask. What did you all think of Clinton's NEED to stand up on this morning's program? My opinion was that it was a POWER thing. It's a common tactic in business to never let your adversary look down on you and it was interesting to see George Stephenopolous and Clinton bobbing up and down out of their chairs.

Posted by: Joyce | May 4, 2008 10:11 PM

Wow, Russert spends 18 minutes on Rev. Wright, after wright had a week of airplay. Stephanopoulos spends 1 minute on Hillary's outright lie she has repeated in commercials and on the stump about Magnequench, a 200 job hi-tech company Bill approved the sale of to China in 1995, she blamed Bush. Must have been the sniper fire that made her lose her mind! I am so ready for change!

Posted by: AboutAllThings | May 4, 2008 10:11 PM

Posted by royco7: estate market tanked in the late eighties, the stock market crashed (500+points in one day on a much smaller market, and we had a tanked economy in 91 and 92.

And your point is what?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 4, 2008 10:16 PM

OBAMA HAS NEVER REPRESENTED "CHANGE" IN POLITICS. IF YOU DARE, SEE HOW OBAMA OBTAINED HIS FIRST ELECTIVE OFFICE: Chicago Sun-Times--A close examination of Obama's first campaign clouds the image he has cultivated throughout his political career: Obama, who runs on a message of giving a voice to the voiceless, first entered public office not by leveling the playing field, but by clearing it. Alice Palmer, friend and mentor to Obama, served the district in the Illinois Senate for much of the 1990s. Decades earlier, she was a community organizer in the area when Obama was growing up in Hawaii. She risked her safe seat to run for Congress and touted Obama as a suitable successor. But when Palmer lost the congressional race, her supporters asked Obama to fold his campaign so she could easily retain her state Senate seat. Obama not only refused to step aside for the woman who was his friend and had recommended him for the seat, he filed challenges that nullified Palmer's hastily gathered nominating petitions, forcing her to withdraw. Had Palmer survived the petition challenge, Obama would have faced the daunting task of taking on an incumbent senator. "He wondered if we should knock everybody off the ballot. How would that look?" said Ronald Davis, the paid Obama campaign consultant whom Obama referred to as his "guru of petitions." Davis filed objections to all four of Obama's Democratic rivals at the candidate's behest. All other candidates were disposed of by Obama's challenges. He then went on to win the election.

http://tinyurl.com/2zwwte

Posted by: Fred | May 4, 2008 10:23 PM

I am watching Obama now speaking at the Jefferson-Jackson Dinner and he is WEAK!!!
I think that he has lost his "FIRE" and is hoping against hope that his shady get rich schemes with Rezko and other Arabs who fattened his banks accounts don't ge exposed any time soon. I beleieve that the Republicans have the ammo and are waiting for him. He is not the one. Too many skeletons in the closet. I want to know what Mr. Obama knows about the death of his church's choir director in Dec. 2007. A shooting death that nvolved drugs, homosexuality and a close relationship to Obama and some other rich gay male who like the victim had a very close and intimate relationship with the Obamas, particularly BARACK!!!!!!

Posted by: Ebonyflash | May 4, 2008 10:24 PM

My point is Bill Clinton did a better job with the economy since the second world war. Oh, and if Blacks actually believe they have made progress over the last fifty years, then take note that all of those presidents have been the typical white guy. His inability to do the job has nothing to do with being black, he's not qualified or experienced; it's a job.

Posted by: royco7 | May 4, 2008 10:27 PM

"Farmers & truckers benefit greatly (middle class) from a gas tax break?"
Why is the not single economist who supports the idea of a suspension of the gas tax?
I tell you why, because it's not a sound idea. It just sounds good for Farmers & Truckers who think that they get a great deal. However, when they are falling off bridges and bumping through ever increasing potholes because the money to repair them has run out then maybe then they will remember the great savings!

"Hillary Clinton is the best hope for an America of Peace and Prosperity?"
That sounds like President Jorge W. Bush slogan before he went to war against Iraq. Hillary Clinton wants to protect Peace and Prosperity by starting another problem in the Middle East.
Peace and Prosperity does not come from attaching other who have better ideas rather than listening to every opinion and then making a wise decision.

"How long have I been listening to that. That is not change. It is the same crap. Long term is now folks. Try something new at least. We don't have time to wait on Obama."
Well, that the problem with Obama. He thinks wisely before he and while he speaks and that does not fit in our fast pace society. We like spots no more than 30 seconds. Slogans, easy to understand like an advertisement, even if it is not true or only partially true. We believe and build our opinion with it. Don't come with any in depth or detailed crap. We fall asleep. That's why it's so easy to list to Hillary Clinton. She tells us what we want to hear. And if it's not the truth, who cares! As long as it make us feel good. Some one who cares and not some one who thinks. We don't have time to wait.

Well, that how the world got where we are not.
In peril!

Posted by: P | May 4, 2008 10:28 PM

Obama to campaign manger: why didn't you come up with the idea of gas tax holiday, idiot?! At least you should come up with something after McCain proposed it! Now it leaves me no time to copy Hillary's plan before the primaries. What should I do?

Manager: We have some Chicago economists, and they can come up with a theory so say the tax cut will not work. They have many friend who can also support. This will make you look very smart, with the backing of these economists. These guys never get anything right, so they really don't mind getting it wrong another time.

Obama: OK, I think that's all we can do now. Put that economist on the phone, I need talk to him. Tell him if I win, I will offer him a good position.

Posted by: Obamama | May 4, 2008 10:43 PM

Bill Clinton sold out to wall street and major corporations in the 90s. That's why NAFTA was pushed through; to enable companies to ship their jobs overseas for cheap labor and no healthcare. Bill Clinton approved major policies that gave wall street firms incredible tax breaks that affect over economy right now today. This situation we are facing in America did not happen overnight it has been a residual build-up effect from alot of the corporate preferred policies of the 90s. One policy that Bill Clinton gave approval to the mortgage banks were to enable loans under the subprime and ARM programs. Do you seriously think Bill Clinton was not aware of what the long term effects of the crooked mortgage policies would do to us? Bill Clinton should have known what would happen being that he himself was involved deeply in the white water banking scam with Hillary that resulted in his friends going to prison. The 90s were great for the Clintons and their friends but not for middle class Americans who started facing massive lay offs, job loss as the 90s dwindled down and we had a republican now in office. Hillary Clinton is using the same tactics as her husband..quick fix, say anything to get people to vote for you without telling the truth about how it will hurt the people in the long term. This is why I don't trust Hillary Clinton because her experience tells me she will lie, cheat and do anything to get her way. If I lose my job, house, family and way of life in the interim..she doesn't give a damn.

Posted by: Nicky1228 | May 4, 2008 10:51 PM

Somebody get these duped people a calender. It's MAY 4TH you idiots. To propose a gas tax holiday is ludicrous and any person with half a brain knows it. Do you even know how long it takes to get something like this through both houses of congress? And then Bush will veto it. This is as phony as Clinton's hitching a ride to a gas station while her SUV convoy idles away gallons of gas. Clintons are OLD POLITICS. Out with the old.

Posted by: Joyce | May 4, 2008 10:55 PM

NAFTA, subprimes and ARMs were all started in the Bush One administration. Clinton spent the next eight years digging us out of that hole, only to see Bush Two mess it up worse than ever.

Posted by: royco7 | May 4, 2008 11:01 PM

Unfortunately, too many people who have not studied economics use one statistic (as did Sen. Obama) to criticize the gas-tax holiday without knowing all the facts. The gas-tax holiday will actually help the economy not because it will offer 30 cents a day or $28 a year to the "average" person but because the transportation industry will get a significant relief which will have the impact of dampening inflation. There are about a million truckers hauling goods across the country. The average trucker spends about $130,000 (yes, that is about right) on gas (diesel) and the gas tax holiday will give about $6000 to $7000 to each trucker in relief. That is about $6-$7 billion which will not be added to the prices of goods. So to base the argument that the benefit is on "average" $28 a year is misleading. The second argument that a gas tax holiday will lead to an increase in gas consumption is also misleading. You have to determine the elasticity of demand for gas before jumping to such a conclusion. Gasoline is relatively inelastic, at least in the short-term. So when Sen. Obama says the gas tax holiday will not have the desired multiplier effect on the economy, he is obviously saying that because he is a simpleton the field of economics. I should know. I spent 4 years earning a degree in economics.

Posted by: Lenny | May 4, 2008 11:11 PM

Lenny; valid points well made

Posted by: royco7 | May 4, 2008 11:20 PM

"welcome aboard joe andrew!" glad you could be here with us, as we present change we can believe in"

backstage, barak tells andrew,

"your homosexual marriage amendment will be presented to congress immediately upon my presidency"


their at it again....

osd

we love ya!

Posted by: obama spin doctors | May 4, 2008 11:35 PM

gOd DaMn All Of YoU FooLs!

Posted by: rEv | May 4, 2008 11:36 PM

I see svreader still refuses to identify himelf/herselp as the author of some of these anti Obama rants. But we know you by your repetitious words and rants. Don't worry. Soon both you and Hillary will be out of your misery.

Posted by: Huma Huma | May 4, 2008 11:58 PM


From "Head of State"
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/05/clinton-calls-for-bad-weather-holiday.html

Monday, May 05, 2008
Clinton Calls for "Bad Weather Holiday"

"When asked this morning by ABC News' George Stephanopoulos if she could name a single economist who backs her call for a gas tax holiday this summer, HRC said "I'm not going to put my lot in with economists."

The gas tax holiday is...so economically stupid (it would increase demand for gas and cause prices to rise, eliminating any benefit to consumers while costing the Treasury more than $9 billion, and generate more pollution) and silly (even if she won, HRC won't be president this summer) as to be worrisome. That HRC now says she doesn't care that what economists think is even more troubling."

-Robert Reich, May 4, 2008

I know we've got those "intellectual", high-falutin', elitist meteorologists, those "forecasters" with their complicated charts and their mumbo-jumbo, their high fronts and their low fronts, their Doppler radars. But I've come to say that we're going to put an end to all of that.

When my daddy and I went out in the morning in (Scranton, Indianapolis, Durham, Hagåtña, Charlotte Amalie, San Juan), and he said "It's going to be a sunny day today", well, that was good enough for me.

And that's why, if you vote for me on (May 6, May 13, June 3), I will put into effect a "Bad Weather Holiday" running from the years 2009-2012--and potentially extendable.

That's right. We shouldn't have to eat our (hot dogs, barbecue, tamales, Chicken Estufao, Stewed oxtail) under rainy skies. We've had enough of going off to work in the (streets, sands, seas) of this most beautiful (state, territory) only to face a cold, cloudy day. We know what it's like to rest our weary bones after a hard day of labor in the nearest (local watering hole, locale taberna, berlina) only to step out into a stiff, tiring wind.

The Weather issue is very real to me, as I've been meeting people across this nation who (walk, drive, sail, ride ox before stewing tail) to work, and would save precious sums if they did not have to spend their hard earned money on "umbrellas" and "rain coats" and other high priced, high class items of the upper crust.

But I say: Let the 'Umbrella Lobby' take the brunt--not our hard working citizens. Oh, sure. I know elite opinion and so called "academic experts" say that my plan would cause 12 straight years of hail, swarms of ravenous locusts, and a vortex of hurricanes ranging from the Mideast to the West Coast.

But I don't put stock in experts. And neither should you. And that's why you should vote for me on (May 6, May 13, June 3).

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/05/clinton-calls-for-bad-weather-holiday.html

Posted by: Robert Hewson | May 5, 2008 1:28 AM

"Clinton was pressed to name one economist who supports the idea of a suspension of the gas tax. She could not, but she turned the question to strike a populist note against 'elite opinion.'"

"Elite opinion"??????

My goodness. Is this Bush all over again? Questioning the evidentiary conclusions drawn by those who would know better than anyone else?

Ms Clinton. Shut up.

Posted by: cbmtrx | May 5, 2008 7:13 AM

Tobias sez: Just say Nobama if you want to win in the Fall. Vote smart, vote Clinton.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Oh now I can't decide. Do I want to vote with all the stupid people or do I want to vote with all the smart people??

Well the big issue seems to be whether or not we get that $30 in tax relief this summer. And a bird in the hand is worth two in the Bush.

It simple then. I'm voting smart.

Posted by: Patrick | May 5, 2008 7:16 AM

Lenny claimed:
"The average trucker spends about $130,000 (yes, that is about right) on gas (diesel) and the gas tax holiday will give about $6000 to $7000 to each trucker in relief. That is about $6-$7 billion which will not be added to the prices of goods."

Well Lenny, $130,000 a year for diesel at $4.00 a gallon (It's actually above $4 per gallon at a truck stop)would equal 32,500 gallons purchased in a year. For the gas tax holiday that would be 8,125 gallons. Federal tax on highway use diesel is 24.5 cents per gallon. Which gives the average trucker a tax saving of $1990.63 during the tax holiday.

You are claiming it's a savings of $6,000 to $7,000 per trucker for the tax holiday.

Then you state "Sen. Obama...is a simpleton the field of economics. I should know. I spent 4 years earning a degree in economics."

I assume you have found work in another field besides economics after you graduated?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 5, 2008 8:34 AM

Response:
If this figure that you put out here is correct this is a LOT of MONEY for a middle class trucker who works very hard to earn a living and every penny of it.

If anything if proves that you and the Obama ELITES are out of touch with the Working Class American. You can have the Economists votes if you like but the common people will be on our side on this one.

Whether this idea is actually implemented or not, it shows where the hearts of the two candidates belong.

NO OBAMA in 2008!


"Well Lenny, $130,000 a year for diesel at $4.00 a gallon (It's actually above $4 per gallon at a truck stop)would equal 32,500 gallons purchased in a year. For the gas tax holiday that would be 8,125 gallons. Federal tax on highway use diesel is 24.5 cents per gallon. Which gives the average trucker a tax saving of $1990.63 during the tax holiday."

Posted by: The Wiser Voter | May 5, 2008 9:13 AM

Countdown
282 to 2025 Obama
419 to 2025 Clinton
678 delgates remain

Posted by: Anonymous | May 5, 2008 9:49 AM

Barack Obama

2004 Democratic National Convention Keynote Address

"The Audacity of Hope"

delivered 27 July 2004, Fleet Center, Boston

[AUTHENTICITY CERTIFIED: Text version below transcribed directly from audio. (2)]

Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Dick Durbin. You make us all proud.

On behalf of the great state of Illinois, crossroads of a nation, Land of Lincoln, let me express my deepest gratitude for the privilege of addressing this convention.

Tonight is a particular honor for me because, let's face it, my presence on this stage is pretty unlikely. My father was a foreign student, born and raised in a small village in Kenya. He grew up herding goats, went to school in a tin-roof shack. His father -- my grandfather -- was a cook, a domestic servant to the British.

But my grandfather had larger dreams for his son. Through hard work and perseverance my father got a scholarship to study in a magical place, America, that shone as a beacon of freedom and opportunity to so many who had come before.

While studying here, my father met my mother. She was born in a town on the other side of the world, in Kansas. Her father worked on oil rigs and farms through most of the Depression. The day after Pearl Harbor my grandfather signed up for duty; joined Patton's army, marched across Europe. Back home, my grandmother raised a baby and went to work on a bomber assembly line. After the war, they studied on the G.I. Bill, bought a house through F.H.A., and later moved west all the way to Hawaii in search of opportunity.

And they, too, had big dreams for their daughter. A common dream, born of two continents.

My parents shared not only an improbable love, they shared an abiding faith in the possibilities of this nation. They would give me an African name, Barack, or "blessed," believing that in a tolerant America your name is no barrier to success. They imagined -- They imagined me going to the best schools in the land, even though they weren't rich, because in a generous America you don't have to be rich to achieve your potential.

They're both passed away now. And yet, I know that on this night they look down on me with great pride.

They stand here -- And I stand here today, grateful for the diversity of my heritage, aware that my parents' dreams live on in my two precious daughters. I stand here knowing that my story is part of the larger American story, that I owe a debt to all of those who came before me, and that, in no other country on earth, is my story even possible.

Tonight, we gather to affirm the greatness of our Nation -- not because of the height of our skyscrapers, or the power of our military, or the size of our economy. Our pride is based on a very simple premise, summed up in a declaration made over two hundred years ago:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That is the true genius of America, a faith -- a faith in simple dreams, an insistence on small miracles; that we can tuck in our children at night and know that they are fed and clothed and safe from harm; that we can say what we think, write what we think, without hearing a sudden knock on the door; that we can have an idea and start our own business without paying a bribe; that we can participate in the political process without fear of retribution, and that our votes will be counted -- at least most of the time.

This year, in this election we are called to reaffirm our values and our commitments, to hold them against a hard reality and see how we're measuring up to the legacy of our forbearers and the promise of future generations.

And fellow Americans, Democrats, Republicans, Independents, I say to you tonight: We have more work to do -- more work to do for the workers I met in Galesburg, Illinois, who are losing their union jobs at the Maytag plant that's moving to Mexico, and now are having to compete with their own children for jobs that pay seven bucks an hour; more to do for the father that I met who was losing his job and choking back the tears, wondering how he would pay 4500 dollars a month for the drugs his son needs without the health benefits that he counted on; more to do for the young woman in East St. Louis, and thousands more like her, who has the grades, has the drive, has the will, but doesn't have the money to go to college.

Now, don't get me wrong. The people I meet -- in small towns and big cities, in diners and office parks -- they don't expect government to solve all their problems. They know they have to work hard to get ahead, and they want to. Go into the collar counties around Chicago, and people will tell you they don't want their tax money wasted, by a welfare agency or by the Pentagon. Go in -- Go into any inner city neighborhood, and folks will tell you that government alone can't teach our kids to learn; they know that parents have to teach, that children can't achieve unless we raise their expectations and turn off the television sets and eradicate the slander that says a black youth with a book is acting white. They know those things.

People don't expect -- People don't expect government to solve all their problems. But they sense, deep in their bones, that with just a slight change in priorities, we can make sure that every child in America has a decent shot at life, and that the doors of opportunity remain open to all.

They know we can do better. And they want that choice.

In this election, we offer that choice. Our Party has chosen a man to lead us who embodies the best this country has to offer. And that man is John Kerry.

John Kerry understands the ideals of community, faith, and service because they've defined his life. From his heroic service to Vietnam, to his years as a prosecutor and lieutenant governor, through two decades in the United States Senate, he's devoted himself to this country. Again and again, we've seen him make tough choices when easier ones were available.

His values and his record affirm what is best in us. John Kerry believes in an America where hard work is rewarded; so instead of offering tax breaks to companies shipping jobs overseas, he offers them to companies creating jobs here at home.

John Kerry believes in an America where all Americans can afford the same health coverage our politicians in Washington have for themselves.

John Kerry believes in energy independence, so we aren't held hostage to the profits of oil companies, or the sabotage of foreign oil fields.

John Kerry believes in the Constitutional freedoms that have made our country the envy of the world, and he will never sacrifice our basic liberties, nor use faith as a wedge to divide us.

And John Kerry believes that in a dangerous world war must be an option sometimes, but it should never be the first option.

You know, a while back -- awhile back I met a young man named Shamus in a V.F.W. Hall in East Moline, Illinois. He was a good-looking kid -- six two, six three, clear eyed, with an easy smile. He told me he'd joined the Marines and was heading to Iraq the following week. And as I listened to him explain why he'd enlisted, the absolute faith he had in our country and its leaders, his devotion to duty and service, I thought this young man was all that any of us might ever hope for in a child.

But then I asked myself, "Are we serving Shamus as well as he is serving us?"

I thought of the 900 men and women -- sons and daughters, husbands and wives, friends and neighbors, who won't be returning to their own hometowns. I thought of the families I've met who were struggling to get by without a loved one's full income, or whose loved ones had returned with a limb missing or nerves shattered, but still lacked long-term health benefits because they were Reservists.

When we send our young men and women into harm's way, we have a solemn obligation not to fudge the numbers or shade the truth about why they're going, to care for their families while they're gone, to tend to the soldiers upon their return, and to never ever go to war without enough troops to win the war, secure the peace, and earn the respect of the world.

Now -- Now let me be clear. Let me be clear. We have real enemies in the world. These enemies must be found. They must be pursued. And they must be defeated. John Kerry knows this. And just as Lieutenant Kerry did not hesitate to risk his life to protect the men who served with him in Vietnam, President Kerry will not hesitate one moment to use our military might to keep America safe and secure.

John Kerry believes in America. And he knows that it's not enough for just some of us to prosper -- for alongside our famous individualism, there's another ingredient in the American saga, a belief that we're all connected as one people. If there is a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there is a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for their prescription drugs, and having to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandparent. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties.

It is that fundamental belief -- It is that fundamental belief: I am my brother's keeper. I am my sister's keeper that makes this country work. It's what allows us to pursue our individual dreams and yet still come together as one American family.

E pluribus unum: "Out of many, one."

Now even as we speak, there are those who are preparing to divide us -- the spin masters, the negative ad peddlers who embrace the politics of "anything goes." Well, I say to them tonight, there is not a liberal America and a conservative America -- there is the United States of America. There is not a Black America and a White America and Latino America and Asian America -- there's the United States of America.

The pundits, the pundits like to slice-and-dice our country into Red States and Blue States; Red States for Republicans, Blue States for Democrats. But I've got news for them, too. We worship an "awesome God" in the Blue States, and we don't like federal agents poking around in our libraries in the Red States. We coach Little League in the Blue States and yes, we've got some gay friends in the Red States. There are patriots who opposed the war in Iraq and there are patriots who supported the war in Iraq. We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes, all of us defending the United States of America.

In the end -- In the end -- In the end, that's what this election is about. Do we participate in a politics of cynicism or do we participate in a politics of hope?

John Kerry calls on us to hope. John Edwards calls on us to hope.

I'm not talking about blind optimism here -- the almost willful ignorance that thinks unemployment will go away if we just don't think about it, or the health care crisis will solve itself if we just ignore it. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about something more substantial. It's the hope of slaves sitting around a fire singing freedom songs; the hope of immigrants setting out for distant shores; the hope of a young naval lieutenant bravely patrolling the Mekong Delta; the hope of a millworker's son who dares to defy the odds; the hope of a skinny kid with a funny name who believes that America has a place for him, too.

Hope -- Hope in the face of difficulty. Hope in the face of uncertainty. The audacity of hope!

In the end, that is God's greatest gift to us, the bedrock of this nation. A belief in things not seen. A belief that there are better days ahead.

I believe that we can give our middle class relief and provide working families with a road to opportunity.

I believe we can provide jobs to the jobless, homes to the homeless, and reclaim young people in cities across America from violence and despair.

I believe that we have a righteous wind at our backs and that as we stand on the crossroads of history, we can make the right choices, and meet the challenges that face us.

America! Tonight, if you feel the same energy that I do, if you feel the same urgency that I do, if you feel the same passion that I do, if you feel the same hopefulness that I do -- if we do what we must do, then I have no doubt that all across the country, from Florida to Oregon, from Washington to Maine, the people will rise up in November, and John Kerry will be sworn in as President, and John Edwards will be sworn in as Vice President, and this country will reclaim its promise, and out of this long political darkness a brighter day will come.

Thank you very much everybody. God bless you. Thank you.

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 5, 2008 9:58 AM

Judge Munoz Saves Hillary's Presidential Bid In LA Court Action


http://www.peterfpaul.com/2008/04/27/judge-munoz-saves-hillarys-presidential-bid-in-la-court-action/

In the landmark civil fraud case against Bill Clinton in Los Angeles, where the former President is charged with defrauding a Hollywood dot com millionaire to help Hillary Clinton obtain more than $1.2 million from him for her 2000 Senate campaign, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Aurelio Munoz ruled on Friday, April 25 that Hillary Clinton would not be required to testify in a sworn deposition as a material witness in the case until AFTER the November election!

Rush Limbaugh And The New VRWC To Elect Hillary Clinton?
http://www.peterfpaul.com/category/barack/

Conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh may have shown Friday that he is joining former Clinton arch-enemies Richard Mellon Scaife, Matt Drudge, News Max publisher Chris Ruddy, Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity in either flat out supporting Hillary publicly, or providing a strategic media coverage of her and her campaign intended to help her more than hurt her chances to win against Obama and possibly regain the White House.

Posted by: Rick | May 5, 2008 10:14 AM

MY FELLOW "BITTER", STUPID, WORKING CLASS PEOPLE :-)

If you think like Barack Obama, that WORKING CLASS PEOPLE are just a bunch of "BITTER"!, STUPID, PEASANTS, Cash COWS!, and CANNON FODDER. :-(

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think Barack Obama with little or no experience would be better than Hillary Clinton with 35 years experience.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience can fix an economy on the verge of collapse better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) led the greatest economic expansion, and prosperity in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience fighting for universal health care can get it for you better than Hillary Clinton. Who anticipated this current health care crisis back in 1993, and fought a pitched battle against overwhelming odds to get universal health care for all the American people.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience can manage, and get us out of two wars better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) went to war only when he was convinced that he absolutely had to. Then completed the mission in record time against a nuclear power. AND DID NOT LOSE THE LIFE OF A SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER. NOT ONE!

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience saving the environment is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) left office with the greatest amount of environmental cleanup, and protections in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with little or no education experience is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) made higher education affordable for every American. And created higher job demand and starting salary's than they had ever been before or since.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience will be better than Hillary Clinton who spent 8 years at the right hand of President Bill Clinton. Who is already on record as one of the greatest Presidents in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that you can change the way Washington works with pretty speeches from Obama, rather than with the experience, and political expertise of two master politicians ON YOUR SIDE like Hillary and Bill Clinton..

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think all those Republicans voting for Obama in the Democratic primaries, and caucuses are doing so because they think he is a stronger Democratic candidate than Hillary Clinton. :-)

Best regards

jacksmith... Working Class :-)

p.s. You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you don't know that the huge amounts of money funding the Obama campaign to try and defeat Hillary Clinton is coming in from the insurance, and medical industry, that has been ripping you off, and killing you and your children. And denying you, and your loved ones the life saving medical care you needed. All just so they can make more huge immoral profits for them-selves off of your suffering...

You see, back in 1993 Hillary Clinton had the audacity, and nerve to try and get quality, affordable universal health care for everyone to prevent the suffering and needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of you each year. :-)

Approx. 100,000 of you die each year from medical accidents from a rush to profit by the insurance, and medical industry. Another 120,000 of you die each year from treatable illness that people in other developed countries don't die from. And I could go on, and on...

OBAMA AIDE: "WORKING-CLASS VOTERS NOT KEY FOR DEMOCRATS" :o

Posted by: jacksmith | May 5, 2008 2:07 PM

HILLARY CLINTON CAN BEST WIN IN NOVEMBER:

It's time for everyone to face the truth. Barack Obama has no real chance of winning the national election in November at this time. His crushing defeat in Pennsylvania makes that fact crystal clear. His best, and only real chance of winning in November is on a ticket with Hillary Clinton as her VP.

Hillary Clinton seemed almost somber at her Pennsylvania victory speech. As if part of her was hoping Obama could have proved he had some chance of winning against the republican attack machine, and their unlimited money, and resources.

But it is absolutely essential that the democrats take back the Whitehouse in November. America, and the American people are in a very desperate condition now. And the whole World has been doing all that they can to help keep us propped up.

Hillary Clinton say's that the heat, and decisions in the Whitehouse are much tougher than the ones on the campaign trail. But I think Mr. Obama faces a test of whether he has what it takes to be a commander and chief by facing the difficult facts, and the truth before him. And by doing what is best for the American people by dropping out of the race, and offering his whole hearted assistance to Hillary Clinton to help her take back the Whitehouse for the American people, and the World.

Mr. Obama is a great speaker. And I am confident he can explain to the American people the need, and wisdom of such a personal sacrifice for them. It should be clear to everyone by now that Hillary Clinton is fighting her heart out for the American people. She has known for a long time that Mr. Obama can not win this November. You have to remember that the Clinton's have won the Whitehouse twice before. They know what it takes.

If Mr. Obama fails his test of commander and chief we can only hope that Hillary Clinton can continue her heroic fight for the American people. And that she prevails. She will need all the continual support and help we can give her. She may fight like a superhuman. But she is only human.

Sen. Hillary Clinton: "You know, more people have now voted for me than have voted for my opponent. In fact, I now have more votes than anybody has ever had in a primary contest for a nomination. And it's also clear that we've got nine more important contests to go."

Sincerely

Jacksmith... Working Class :-)

Posted by: jacksmith | May 5, 2008 2:15 PM

Why so much talk about the gas tax. Example: gas now - 3.62 a gallon; likely to go up as it always does during summer driving months; maybe, being conservative say 25 cents. So let's subtract 18 cents from 3.87 and we get 3.69. wow! what a savings. This should not even be a discussion.

Posted by: rocker1968 | May 5, 2008 2:16 PM

The Press turned on OBAMA because they see tons of Money to be made from the airtime on this if Hillary can get the Nomination .You have got to realize the gravity this will have on the whole Dem Party if the Republicans can mount this case against Hillary in the General election . This is why Rove , Rush , hannity and all the Right is pushing for Hillary to win the Nomination , because the war over this will be Huge ; Go to these cases and read the list of major Dems Involved here , can't you see why the Right wing is drooling for Hillary to win ????

Rush Limbaugh And The New VRWC To Elect Hillary Clinton?
http://www.peterfpaul.com/category/barack/

Judge Munoz Saves Hillary's Presidential Bid In LA Court Action


http://www.peterfpaul.com/2008/04/27/judge-munoz -saves-hillarys-presidential-bid-in-la-court-act ion/

Posted by: Rick | May 5, 2008 2:24 PM

This is fuel for the Republicans if Hillary gets the nomination , Vote Obama they have only a race baiting campaign which can't go nowhere because of the Preachers who have endorced McCain who have Devisive Speach issues towards 911 issues , so Obama has a Clear shot to win the Whitehouse . Obama 2008 .

The Clintons' Terror Pardons
www.online.wsj.com/article/SB120277819085260827.html?mod=Letters

An ex-president, a mining deal and a big donor "

Huge Kazakh deal follows financier's trip with Clinton, precedes donation .

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?ex=1359435600&en=33a4d96a239655bf&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

The Clinton's' Terror Pardons. Brutal Killers Freed. Why?

http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/The_Clinton_s_Terror_Pardons_Brutal_Killers_Freed_Why

www.truthabouttrinity.blogspot.com/2008/03/my-pastor-has-represented-us-well.html
And an anonymous blog set up to defend his church offers some compelling photographic evidence of this: A photograph of Wright and President Clinton
CLICK The Video Link below ; The pandering Clintons first were pushing the Iraq Regime Change in the 1990s , and now they pander for the Voters that are against the war .

www.bercasio.com/movies/dems-wmd-before-iraq.wmv

Posted by: Rick | May 5, 2008 2:32 PM

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osd

"I WOULD BOMB PAKISTAN!"

barak obama, october 2007

"I WOULD ACT FORCEFULLY, IF ISRAEL WAS NUKED BY IRAN"

barak obama, may 2008


Seems the Obama Spin Doctors would rather bomb a country for harboring the Taliban, than for engaging in nuclear war on an ally.

Are you guys confused, don't worry, you're not alone.

Their at it again,

osd

We love ya!

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Posted by: obama spin doctors | May 5, 2008 2:42 PM

Please help me reach my goal of $100!

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Donate $1 or $5

Yes
WE
Can.

Republicans, Independents, Democrats Unite for Obama!

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See you all at the "Vote for Change" on May 10th in Los Angeles!!

We're taking America BACK!

Obama 08

Posted by: noemi in los angeles | May 5, 2008 3:10 PM

Where are the environmentalists on this? When the market is finally sending the right signal on fossil fuels, Clinton and McCain want to scramble it. If they really need to pander to voters' short-sighted self-interest to get elected, why not just hand them cash...wait, the gov't just did that with the tax refund.

Here's an idea: go ahead and get rid of the gas tax, and replace it with a carbon tax!

Posted by: ocassiuso | May 5, 2008 4:21 PM

Arkansas: Bill and Hillary

What Arkansas has to say. You don't want to miss this.

This is straight from Arkansas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mnq5U9ovtaE&feature=related

Posted by: Anonymous | May 5, 2008 8:20 PM

Some may know this but the argument Clinton wants to spin about Florida votes counting because both were on the ballot doesn't hold water. What the fact is is, the ballot had a property tax initiative to change the state constitution one of the most important votes in years. With the hurricanes driving the insurance rates sky high and taxes tripling in just four years people turned out in force to vote. The problem is, they were older people and property owners and they made a primary vote even though it didn't count just because they were already there. In other words, Hillary got votes just by default. Young people who don't own homes or property, didn't bother to even go to the polls. They are a big part of what would have been Obamas voting base. He might as well not even have been on the ballot. The result is a falsehood and an illusion if you know the facts. Of course, Hillary never let a small thing like facts stand in the way. A revote would have been fair though and let the chips fall where they will, but that is no longer a possibility so we are just stuck with thing like they are.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 12:52 AM

If Hillary want to do something for the working class, how about paying some of those small contractors she has been stiffing.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 1:08 AM

Those who still like Hillary can make some easy money. Slap down a $10,000 or $20,000 bet and make a killing. Yea, like a Hillary fan has $10,000. You can always borrow some money on your trailer and make a $200.00 bet anyway.


http://www.sportsbook.com/betting/2008+Presidential+Election-betting-odds-754.html

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 1:27 AM

Can Clinton clinch North Carolina? She IS supposed to be catching up, you know...

What do you mean Clinton who?
I guess it's true, catching up is haaard to dooo...

North Carolina will want to throw the bumbs out given the economy and the wars, no more clintons, no more bush, no more dynasties' dirty looks.

Posted by: eljefejesus | May 6, 2008 2:58 AM

Well I think I've heard enough.

News Flash: "THE FACTS: In 2000, gasoline prices were climbing quickly, reaching $2 a gallon in the Chicago area -- a remarkable price back then. Illinois legislators scrambled to offer some election-year relief to angry motorists.

Obama voted three times for a tax holiday..."
Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080430/ap_on_el_pr/obama_gas_tax_fact_check

For the Clinton-haters out there, wake up!
Obama has never been consistent in his message. Picture our next President changing his answer every time he's under oath. How annoying would that be? It seems like you would vote for him no matter what. He speaks of change, but hardly has a plan or gives us details. How do you know he's not going to be another Bush who didn't get anything done in the White House and let our economy suffer? We don't need a Wimp we need a Leader!

Posted by: TranFrCA | May 6, 2008 5:59 PM

Well I think I've heard enough.

News Flash: "THE FACTS: In 2000, gasoline prices were climbing quickly, reaching $2 a gallon in the Chicago area -- a remarkable price back then. Illinois legislators scrambled to offer some election-year relief to angry motorists.

Obama voted three times for a tax holiday..."
Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080430/ap_on_el_pr/obama_gas_tax_fact_check

For the Clinton-haters out there, wake up!
Obama has never been consistent in his message. Picture our next President changing his answer every time he's under oath. How annoying would that be? It seems like you would vote for him no matter what. He speaks of change, but hardly has a plan or gives us details. How do you know he's not going to be another Bush who didn't get anything done in the White House and let our economy suffer? We don't need a Wimp we need a Leader!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 6:00 PM

These Poll Results are quite interesting...

2008 Presidential Election Weekly Poll
http://www.votenic.com
Results Just Posted!

Posted by: votenic | May 7, 2008 10:42 AM

This is another example how Clinton goes along with the Republicans and the worst issues-as she did on the Iraq War!

Regardless, SHE CANNOT WIN! The math is totally against her. Even if she somehow managed through back room negotiations, that would so destroy the Demo Party that they would certainly lose in November.

The stupidity of her supporters is truly amazing.

Posted by: Tony | May 11, 2008 6:37 PM

At one time I had a great deal of respect for Edwards. No longer.

If anyone wrecks the Party, it will be Obama. Obama will tank in November and take the Party down with him.

Even the supers pledged to Obama expect him to tank. They just want Afro/Americam voters going to the polls to preserve the Democratic majorities in Congress. This move may backfire on them. In keeping Afro/Americans they may lose many other voters who end up voting for GOP Congressional candidates. McCain will be president, and he might get a GOP controlled Congress -- thanks to the cowardly short sighted supers.

In 4 years Obama will be the butt of more jokes than Kerry.

Posted by: William Phillips | May 11, 2008 8:44 PM

And this Presidential Election poll says it all. You won't believe these results!
(you have to vote to see them)

http://www.votenic.com

Posted by: votenic | May 15, 2008 12:30 PM

And this poll says it all. You won't believe these results!

http://www.votenic.com

Posted by: votenikk | May 15, 2008 9:18 PM

And this poll says it all. You won't believe these results!

http://www.votenic.com

Posted by: russel | May 16, 2008 5:44 PM

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