Debating the Wisdom of Choosing Biden

By Zachary A. Goldfarb

A day before the start of the Democratic convention, former New York mayor Rudolph Giuliani criticized the selection of Sen. Joseph Biden (D-Del.) as Sen. Barack Obama's running mate, saying Biden underscores Obama's flaws.

"Senator Obama has made a choice more out of weakness than strength," Giuliani said today on ABC's "This Week."

Giuliani, who ran for the Republican nomination, said the presumptive Democratic nominee should have chosen Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), Obama's chief rival in the nomination process.

"She had 50 percent of the Democratic vote. Obama has 50 percent of the Democratic vote," the former mayor said. "You almost have to go to extraordinary lengths to avoid her as the vice presidential pick of the party."

Giuliani was the only Republican to appear on the five interview shows.

Top Obama advisers, who declined Saturday to elaborate on how the Illinois senator made his selection, said today that the choice was anchored as much in Biden's biography as in his long experience in foreign affairs.

They emphasized Biden's "working-class" roots, as the son of a Scranton, Pa., car salesman, the fact that he works in Washington but commutes home to Wilmington each day, and the challenges he has faced, including the sudden death of his first wife and daughter.

"Senator Joe Biden's personal story has been tested many, many times," Robert Gibbs, Obama's communications director, said on "Fox News Sunday." He added that Biden has "unparalleled foreign policy experience."


"I think what attracted Senator Obama was Biden's wisdom," said David Axelrod, Obama's chief strategist, on ABC.

Axelrod said Biden's wisdom was gained not in Washington but "when you overcome adversity, tragedy in your life as he has. The kind of wisdom you get in the working-class communities of Scranton, Pennsylvania, and Wilmington, Delaware."

Pennsylvania Gov. Edward Rendell, one of Clinton's strongest supporters in the Democratic primaries, said an Obama-Clinton ticket would have been just as strong as Obama-Biden.

"They're equally good tickets. Hillary Clinton obviously has a longer relationship with a broader spectrum of voters, women voters," he said on CBS's "Face the Nation." "But Joe Biden's going to grow on the American people very fast."

Axelrod said that Obama sat down with Clinton shortly after the end of the primaries to talk about the vice presidential process.

"They had a discussion back in early June about it. And he spent more time with Senator Clinton alone, talking about issues than he has with Joe Biden or anyone else," he said.

He said it wasn't necessary to screen Clinton as a potential vice president as much as others.

Obama "knew her, he knew her very well, and so there wasn't the same need as there was for other candidates," he said.

Gibbs acknowledged that some Clinton supporters remain aggravated by the primaries' result. Polls show that, three months after the last primary, Clinton supporters have still not unified behind Obama.

"There's no question that people had strong feelings about their nominee. We went from beginning to end," he said.

Colorado Gov. Bill Ritter (D) said the coming week would bring Obama and Clinton supporters together.

"I think that's going to be the role of the convention, to really be a unifying time," Ritter said. "I think it'll have a unifying effect."

Rendell said that Obama needs to do more to explain his specific policies to Americans.

"He's got to talk about economic issues, and he's got to be more clear," Rendell said, asking for more specifics about how the Obama tax plan would affect the working class.

Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, who was on Obama's shortlist for the Democratic ticket, agreed.

"We need, certainly, Senator Obama to let the Americans know what his plan is for, as president of the United States, how he's going to help rebuild, restore the middle class," she said.

Axelrod rejected the view of some liberals that Obama has failed to come up with specific policies that live up to his soaring rhetoric.

"I don't accept that that's what Barack Obama hasn't been doing, and I think that he will give a clear picture again this week of where we have to go," Axelrod said.

Gibbs was asked whether Biden's long experience in Washington -- 10 years more than John McCain's -- undermines Obama's promise to change the capital.

"Joe Biden works in Washington but he doesn't live there," Gibbs responded. "He is somebody who never has forgotten where he's from. ... He's a down-to-earth kind of guy."

Gibbs also faced clips from a Democratic debate where Biden, then running for the presidential nomination, expressed doubts about whether Obama was experienced enough to be president.

Gibbs said those kinds of clips are to be expected.

"You can pull up a lot of quotes from August when these two guys were running against each other," Gibbs said.

Gibbs acknowledged that Biden sometimes has an unhelpful tendency to be loquacious.

"He'd probably plead guilty to that," Gibbs said, adding: "We didn't hire him for his stunning good looks."

Gibbs rejected the notion that Obama advertisements attacking McCain over the fact that he could not recall in an interview how many houses he owns is an example of the "slash-and-burn" politics he once said he would reject.

"It's a legitimate issue. ... [McCain] either forgot how many he has or he just wasn't being truthful with those reporters," Gibbs said. "You're out of touch if you have seven houses and don't even remember."

On Fox, Virginia Gov. Timothy Kaine (D) said Biden's history as a son of a car salesman would appeal to working-class voters struggling in the current economy. Similarly, he said, Obama came from no wealth.

"These two candidates understand the plight of working Americans," Kaine said.

Kaine, who was also on Obama's shortlist, said on Fox that Biden would still help Obama win votes in his state, since he "comes from a state, Delaware, that borders Virginia." (The states are actually separated by Maryland.)

Kaine added that Biden is popular with military voters and "Virginia is a very military state."

Ritter said on Fox that Obama appeals to independent voters who have migrated to the Mountain West over the past six years.

"The West has changed. ... The independents in the West are really looking for leadership," he said. "The change that Obama speaks of, we've previewed it in the West."

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Well, I see that the astute national pol, the former mayor of NYC, aka "Mr. Florida Primary," has opined about Sen. Obama's nominee. Mr. Giuliani has grown in his rhetorical skills, thus proving Mr. Biden's earlier comment premature. Apparently, Mr. Giuliani was able to utter several sentences with nouns, verbs and no mention of the 9/11!

Posted by: L. S. Levine | August 24, 2008 1:58 PM

Colorado Gov Ritter has it right...Obama and Clinton supporters will definately come together next week, but only in the sense that they will be in the same building "together". The nomination was rigged, the media threw the nomination to Obama and this Hillary supporter will never vote for him.

Posted by: das | August 24, 2008 2:00 PM

How can Gov. Kaine make a mistake about knowing what states share a border with Virginia. He is the leader of Virginia, did he miss his geography lesson in elementary school?

Posted by: Greg | August 24, 2008 2:01 PM

All the GOP can do is fish in troubled waters and try to muddle thinking against democratic leaning independents.The olny way they can try to get the dice loaded in their favor. Negativity and negative ads.

May be a swing of 3 to 4 % can be subtly swayed , who would have been , any way on racial considerations.

The younger generation, the internationally travelled and people brought up in a more diverse setting could see through the ruse and act independent of such proclivities.

The US is one of the fairest nations in the world and we play by the rules. We see through "below the belts" all the time. The only genuine appeal is the appeal to sanity and pure reason.

Let us be open and fresh in our attitudes and the Universe will be our limits, America.

Posted by: mdsubramonia | August 24, 2008 2:03 PM

By Zachary A. Goldfarb

A day before the start of the Democratic convention, former New York mayor Rudolph Giuliani criticized the selection of Sen. Joseph Biden (D-Del.) as Sen. Barack Obama's running mate, saying Biden underscores Obama's flaws.

"Senator Obama has made a choice more out of weakness than strength," Giuliani said today on ABC's "This Week."
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When I first clicked on this article it was with the attitude that it was going to be nothing more than sour grapes on Guiliani's part.

Then I read the article.

The first two paragraphs sum it all up very nicely. Obama is a candidate with many weak areas. Biden shores up those weak areas quite well. Guiliani is spot on.

The question that leaps out at me is whether or not Obama will be able to put aside his enormously huge narcissistic ego and let Biden be an active VP instead of someone who just lives in the National Naval Observatory who isn't allowed to be an active participant and true partner as a VP.

Posted by: socrates3333 | August 24, 2008 2:04 PM

Obama picked the most experienced person he could. Hillary pales in comparison to Biden. Obama shows great wisdom, he chose a Washington insider to help him change the system.

Posted by: Terry | August 24, 2008 2:05 PM

Apparently, Mr. Giuliani was able to utter several sentences with nouns, verbs and no mention of the 9/11!

Posted by: L. S. Levine |
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That is a miracle, indeed!

Posted by: socrates3333 | August 24, 2008 2:06 PM

It is interesting that Obama would pick an older rich white male who has spent most of his adult life as a Senator, who voted for the Iraq war (according to Obama that means Biden's judgement is flawed and Biden is unfit to be president while Biden thinks Obama unfit to be president), who has been a perennial loser in the presidentials, who wants to not only invade and occupy Iraq but to cut it up into three separate countries against Iraqi's wishes, and who has a history of making openly racist statements.
But I guess it is the fact that both Biden and Obama are proven plagiarists that makes them such a perfect fit.

Posted by: JamesT | August 24, 2008 2:08 PM

Republicans are so transparent. They need to be concerned about fixing their own tarnished image as opposed to criticizing the Democrats. George W. Bush has given them plenty to talk about. Like an illegal war brought on by fabricated intelligence, a record breaking deficit that did not exist when the Democrats sat in the White House, a failed economy, you know, IMPORTANT stuff.

Posted by: Ward6ForNow | August 24, 2008 2:10 PM

Biden is change we can believe in? LOL.

Delaware besides bordering Virginia is a state high on everyone's list to visit. LOLer.

Dems will blow this election. LOLest.

Posted by: Tom | August 24, 2008 2:12 PM

As some one who lost big time with his "Florida Only" strategy, I don't advise placing much faith in Guilani's assessment of the situation. It is said, if you want advice on your marraige, ask someone who has a successful marraige. I think the same applies to politics.

Posted by: PCL | August 24, 2008 2:13 PM

Don't confuse narcissism with intellect, it is easiest to manipulate a narcissistic person, they are the weakest, psychologically, and intellectually, the LAST to understand what is truly happening around them.

For instance, I would say, in the end, Cheney and his group did themselves in due to their narcissism, and their inability to admit they are, perhaps, not invulnerable.


Already, Obama shows sings, like bush, of not wanting the job

Posted by: Mordant Cowboy | August 24, 2008 2:14 PM

Why in the world would anyone pay attention to, and/or take advice from Mr. 9/11. His selections (Mr. Kerik, placing the first responder headquarters in the WTC, etc.) leave even the mentally challenged, befuddled.

Posted by: Marcus | August 24, 2008 2:16 PM

Come on, who really cares what Giuliani says or thinks?
Why does the WP even bother with him?

Posted by: Couchmouse | August 24, 2008 2:18 PM

Obama has definitely shown his small side leaving Hillary out who should have been the ultimate choice by her showing in the primaries. Shows a get even mentality. Hillary and Bill will go to the convention and make nice speeches about Obama. Isn't that what they do at funerals? Obama will get a bounce after the convention which will last for a week and then back to the down side. Hearing him speak without a prepared text is liking listening to one who is nervous and unsure of himself. Wrong choice democrats!

Posted by: musing | August 24, 2008 2:19 PM

So it is somehow a requirement that after a close nomination process, the winner must ask the runner up to be the Veep? I guess that explains why Gerald Ford asked Reagan to be Veep in 1976. Oh, and I don't remember that Cheney was the runner up in the Republican primariesd in 2000- did I miss something? etc etc etc.

Let's face it, folks- no matter what a Presidential candidate does in selecting a running mate, his supporters will applaud and those opposed will carp. Had Obama asked Clinton, the Republicns would be screaming about her lack of "real" experience, the fact that she and Obama's views are so close, etc. This way, the complaint is that Biden was chosen to address Obama's gaps.

We will see exactly the same sort of thing in a week, when McCain announces his choice. anyone who wishes can select several potential VP candidates, and write up the cheers adn boos accordingly- well before any announcement.

Posted by: amused | August 24, 2008 2:21 PM

Of COURSE he criticizes it! Biden sunk his campaign with a one-liner! Mr. Noun-a verb-and-9/11! He didn't even win ONE delegate to his party's convention!

Posted by: Radiomom | August 24, 2008 2:21 PM

There's a superb YouTube video clip of Biden compiled from his TV debates in which he responds forcefully to a question about Clinton's experience telling the moderator Clinton's fully qualified to be POTUS unlike, say, Giuliani.

He gets huge applause after saying the only thing ever heard out of Giuliani is "subject, verb, 9/11" which inspires him to gleefully run down a laundry list of false record claims by the former mayor. In other words, Giuliani may well take his nomination personally.

Posted by: jhbyer | August 24, 2008 2:22 PM

A wholly transparent Republican tactic: try to divide and conquer by stirring up the Hillary contingency. Won't work. And when McBush picks his man, think of all the footage that will be dredged up showing the other candidate's ill opinion of him. It cuts both ways, Repugs.

Posted by: oaklynne | August 24, 2008 2:22 PM

Giuliani was interviewed by George Stephanopolous. Stephanopoulous is so far up Senator Clinton's @$$ that he makes her a foot taller.

Posted by: It figures | August 24, 2008 2:22 PM

Marcus wrote:

Why in the world would anyone pay attention to, and/or take advice from Mr. 9/11. His selections (Mr. Kerik, placing the first responder headquarters in the WTC, etc.) leave even the mentally challenged, befuddled.

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I was thinking, too, his background is suspect, Giuliani hardly an intellect, or clever, even.

Pedantic is not intellectual, or even effective, simply delusional.

Posted by: Mordant Cowboy | August 24, 2008 2:23 PM

Sen Obama must be very self-indulgent in picking a running mate 'he likes' rather than one who would be much more likely to help him win the Presidency (HDRC). I really can't understand why he would pick a 'mate' who shows so clearly what he lacks: expertise, experience (I will leave the 'gravitas' off, but you can throw that in if you wish.)

Did he stop to think about why Joe Biden was compelled to drop out of the '88 Pres Race (Did BHO II stop to read any of those old clippings?)..........

And for all of the 'New Politics," talk-- the rhetoric of working for the "common folk"...he chooses the "Senator from MBNA," chief promoter of banking fiendly (oops 'friendly') legislation.

AND that Joe Biden voted for the War. Three Strikes, babe. This isn't basketball.

Posted by: L3 | August 24, 2008 2:24 PM

Who cares what Rudolph Giuliani says, surely he has no bias. If Mr. O picked Clinton, Giuliani would have said He should have picked Biden.

Posted by: Meaningless | August 24, 2008 2:25 PM

I give up. This will be the first time in my life that I vote Republican.

Posted by: Paul | August 24, 2008 2:25 PM

In the end, the vote will be for or against Obama, not Biden. Just because Biden is the foreign policy savior for Obama does not mean Obama will listen to him. The American people have a right to know what Obama's vision is on national security and foreign policy, not Biden. Obama needs to step up to the plate and stand for something other than change.

Posted by: lastoneout | August 24, 2008 2:26 PM

Oops, make that "noun, verb, and 9/11". Thanks, Radiomom.

Posted by: jhbyer | August 24, 2008 2:26 PM

Obama talks and talks about bring the country together, but here he is - he cannot even bring his own party together - by not picking Clinton. What a fraud.

Posted by: Parag | August 24, 2008 2:26 PM

It seems if McCain is so distressed that Hillary did not get selected to be Obama's VP, he should offer the Republican VP slot to her. Then McCain might pick up a few of Hillary's so-called 18 million voters.

Posted by: sandra Johansen | August 24, 2008 2:26 PM

Senator Biden seems only to have one word in his vocabulary "literally". In his speech on Saturday every other word seemed to be "literally". He was going to do this literally: he was going to do that literally. Quite literally, that was all he could say ... it was all I heard coming out of his speech. Dunno what else he said, quite literally I don't! Can someone teach him some new words please.

Posted by: panda1 | August 24, 2008 2:27 PM

Yeah the One sorely needs a foreign policy adviser after his campaigning in France started his downward slide in the polls.

But then again when you could tell the French with a straight face that Americans are very fond of them, you probably don't need any foreign policy advice.

Posted by: Tom | August 24, 2008 2:27 PM

"It is interesting that Obama would pick an older rich white male"

Actually, Biden is about the least wealthy member of the Senate. He makes his Senate salary + 20k for teaching. His wife's net worth is estimated to be between 40k-250k.

One Spouse - One House

Posted by: breakingball | August 24, 2008 2:27 PM

It appears that the ultra-liberal Mr. Obama, champion of the under-represented, is afraid of a strong, talented woman.

Posted by: mhr | August 24, 2008 2:28 PM

The Republican concern for the feelings of Hillary Clinton and her hoard of angry harrigans is truly touching.

Posted by: candide | August 24, 2008 2:29 PM

So this is the Reptilican plan de jour: Keep saying that Hillary should have been the VP; in addition to Mr. 9/11 Exploiter, McSame has a commercial dissing Obama and saying she should have been the candidate...Operation Chaos already failed folks...All the fake PUMAs who were Reptilicans pretending to be Democrats, go crawl back under that rock, okay?

Posted by: braultrl | August 24, 2008 2:30 PM

L3 wrote:

And for all of the 'New Politics," talk-- the rhetoric of working for the "common folk"...he chooses the "Senator from MBNA," chief promoter of banking fiendly (oops 'friendly') legislation.

AND that Joe Biden voted for the War. Three Strikes, babe. This isn't basketball.

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In his defense, he DID vote against FISA.

Anyone who voted for, or in anyway championed that POS anti-constitutional garbage is, (in my book, anyway,) out, as suspect as Addington.

I question his true intent, though, the whole FISA issue being simple Kabuki theatre, at least the Democratic opposition to it.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 2:31 PM

If McCain did select Hillary to be his VP, he needs to remember, he'll have to contend will Silly Bill. The White House isn't big enough for the egos of McCain, Bill or Hill for that matter. And for those Democrat fools who are willing to vote for a Republican this year because Hillary got "dissed", you need to think again. If you think your life is bad now, just wait. Sledgehammer McCain will make it alot worse. He will start a war with anyone who looks cross-eyed at him. So leave your wallets wide open for the Republican vacuum to come by and suck every last penny out of it.

Posted by: sandra Johansen | August 24, 2008 2:32 PM

First, Guiliani did not run except in Florida and he was creamed. So if you take his noun, verb, 9/11 thought serious you have serious problems.

Second, every right wing talk show was telling voters to vote for Sen. HRC because they wanted to run against her.

Now that they can't, they are saying what? Sen. Obama should have picked her. I think that if the GOP had any sense, from George Will holding his nose and pulling the lever comment about Sen. McCain to Rush saying McCain would be a disaster for the GOP because he is not a true conservative, their comments could be played back and they would say WHAT?

Posted by: jerry rubin | August 24, 2008 2:37 PM

It is only a matter of time, when Biden, makes a major idiotic statement.
Moreover in Bidens case its not if,,its when.

I think it will be at the convention, is when Biden gets full of himself and has his "Howard Dean Moment"

Howard Dean,,,
Where going here, where going there,then where going to Washington,,then where going to Washington DC,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Yeeeeeeeeee

Posted by: Dashriprock | August 24, 2008 2:37 PM

Let me get this straight: Giuliani is giving Obama advice on how to run a successful campaign?!?!

Posted by: Some Cahones | August 24, 2008 2:38 PM

One Patient dumping Spouse, One million $ House (with four car garage!), and oh yes, One Tony Rezco to put them all together!

Posted by: JamesT | August 24, 2008 2:39 PM

I assume Rudy would have voted for a Obama/Clinton ticket :o)

Posted by: George (not W) in Texas | August 24, 2008 2:39 PM

Well for all you young silly Dems silly Bill is the only Democrat who won twice since FDR! Without him you Dems would have gone 1 for 10 in the last 40 years.

As for McCain he was the only one who was right about the surge. At least now the US can leave with some honor and dignity and the Iraqis may get to live with some peace.

Posted by: Tom | August 24, 2008 2:39 PM

Tom wrote:

Well for all you young silly Dems silly Bill is the only Democrat who won twice since FDR!

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I find it a little weird they're still so focused on Clinton, just, for so many reasons.

Ya know?

Posted by: Mordant Cowboy | August 24, 2008 2:44 PM

My Centrist View of the VP Pick: Biden -- or Biden in Clinton's Pantsuit & Lipstick?

OBAMA'S REPRISE OF HILLARY CLINTON SPRING 2008 CAMPAIGN

Did Obama pick Biden as VP, or Biden wearing Clinton's lipstick, pearls and pantsuit on, hailed as a "fighter" from "Scranton, PA"?

My first reaction to the Biden pick is that Obama must have a pathological grudge against Clinton to go to such lengths to avoid her when he needs her base and the things she could do for him if only she were on his ticket. While it's hard to read between the lines of the well-coordinated propaganda supporting Obama's pick, I think many are dismayed not by the Biden pick, but by the way the Obama campaign seems to dress him up for her voters. Picking Biden in itself makes sense if Obama weren't going to follow through with his risky "transformative change" ticket, and if he weren't going to pick Clinton. But putting Clinton's lipstick, earrings and pearls on him and lauding him up with words interchangeable with Clinton's resurgent campaign seems ghoulishly like that guy in Psycho with his dead mother in the upstairs bedroom.

A spate of unsettled articles today, like Frank Rich's attempt to explain away why Obama has dropped any pretense anymore of being a "change" or "transcendent" "new politics" leader, indicates a broad but subtle falling away from Obama's vision by the more progressive members of his base. They will support him, but they aren't in love with him, anymore. His Biden pick and how he's dressing Biden up as Clinton, is fundamentally at odds with Obama's core message, themes, and marketing of himself, and too creepy a reprise of Clinton.

With his VP pick, Obama's switched from a "change" and "new politics" ticket to an "old politics white senior DC pol who knows what he's teaching the young president" ticket. Obama also compromised his "new politics means I won't take cynical positions" earlier this Summer with a series of flip flops, including breaking his federal election funding pledge and other reversals that surprised the left winger progressives. Obama's deeply negative dive into spouse attacks cements the fall of Obama from the pedestal of his "new politics" rhetoric this Spring. Thus his perfect-worlder rhetoric has met reality, about 3 months after the end of primary season.

Obama won't be forthcoming with new specifics about his transformative "new politics" as his media fans have been suggesting he do since bombing at Saddleback. After his inability to make the "transformative change" "new politics" campaign more specific and substantial this Summer, Obama's suddenly dropped it, reformulating his campaign as an enhanced Hillary Clinton Spring 2008 one.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 24, 2008 2:45 PM

The republican tactics are clear. But as democrats we have to think on this: The primaries were exceptionally close and both Obama and Hillary won about 50% of the vote. Obama did not finish strong losing the majority of primaries after Super Tuesday. In recent times, he has flip-flopped on most major issues and has chosen a VP candidate to cover his weaknesses. Maybe the primaries and back-door politics led us to pick the weaker candidate. This election is for Obama to lose and he is trying very hard to do that. Let's just hope that we don't have 4 more years of a bad, flip-flopping, spineless presidency with Obama.

Posted by: Michael | August 24, 2008 2:46 PM

I was really worried that Obama would pick HRC for VP.
And even more worried that she would accept.
If he had then he stood a good chance of winning.
But yes!
He didn't!
And the Hussein bin Biden ticket is a sure loser.

Posted by: JamesT | August 24, 2008 2:47 PM

Ya know ya are dealing with uncompromising idealists here, probably some utopians as well.

The far right wing never likes McCain. The far left wing never likes the Clintons.

The far right wing gave us Bush. Now the far left wing is hell bent on giving us their anti Bush.

God help America!

Posted by: Tom | August 24, 2008 2:50 PM

Why does anyone care what Rudy thinks? Is it necessary to start every article about Obama with a negative comment from someone on the other side? I mean it is fair to talk about Obama and Biden's record but why start with Rudy?

Posted by: cdgainesville | August 24, 2008 2:50 PM

Tom-

Delaware does not border Virginia anywhere, Maryland is between the two.

Posted by: merganser | August 24, 2008 2:51 PM

This will be standard Republican claptrap designed to fan the flames of PUMA unrest. The Repubs are worried that PUMAs are not really crazy enough to elect McCain and want to keep them mad and irrational.

Posted by: Cathy | August 24, 2008 2:53 PM

McCain should pick Powell.

Posted by: Game Set Match | August 24, 2008 2:56 PM

I don't know, when I see Obama, my first impression is of a guy who really doesn't want the job, almost relieved someone else will be doing the heavy lifting.

Realistically, there are all sorts of back room deals...

And this constant need to exploit the Clinton issue is just strange, so deliberate and so, well, cliched.

What is they say about manipulating narcissists, those who cannot change their mode of attack?

(sic)

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 2:57 PM

If the McCain camp thinks she would be such a good VP, why don't they tap her for the job? I had a dog like Rudy once, just loved humping leg.

Posted by: Hank | August 24, 2008 2:57 PM

Posted by: Tom
Dems will blow this election.
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Just like they always do. Business as usual.

Posted by: socrates3333 | August 24, 2008 2:58 PM

McCain should say this about the BHO/JB ticket: I know then both and they are nice enough people, but they remind me a little bit of THE PROFESSOR AND MR. HOWELL, and the last time I checked, they hadn't figured out how to get off that island.

Posted by: fifthnonblonde | August 24, 2008 2:58 PM

I agree with Joe Biden's first "gut" feeling - Obama is not ready to be CIC, but the last person Dems need to take advice from is Rudy "I spent $50M and got no delegates" Guilini.

The only thing Biden fights for is the train home to Delaware every night.

Posted by: VA | August 24, 2008 2:58 PM

All day long this Sunday, August 24th, Republicans from a right wing gutter snipe talk radio bore to another bore, Judy's husband while he was married to Donna or Mr. Florida primary, have opined about the Democratic ticket. Join the rest of us and turn these goons off, that is MSNBC, CNN, and Rash Lintball.

Posted by: doc86 | August 24, 2008 2:59 PM

And so, Guiliani is saying if Sen. Obama had picked Sen. Clinton, he, meaning Guiliani ,would support the ticket. I doubt it and as many others have observed here, his remark is self-serving garbage.

As to those Clinton supporters who say they never would support the democratic ticket, remember that when McCain wins and the Supreme Court moves further to the right for the next 20 years.

Posted by: Steve Finner | August 24, 2008 3:00 PM

The far right wing never likes McCain. The far left wing never likes the Clintons.

The far right wing gave us Bush. Now the far left wing is hell bent on giving us their anti Bush.

God help America!
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Wwell, no Tom, it's not really that bad at all, not when taken in the context of our greater history.

Intersting point, though, I wonder what else the far right and the far left have in common?

Posted by: Mordant Cowboy | August 24, 2008 3:01 PM

Perhaps Rudy, Obama didn't want to spend the campaign defending Hillary from wingnut Republicans, who, for reason of some undiagnosed psychosis, can't let go of the Clintons or their real or imagined scandals.

Posted by: Jorge | August 24, 2008 3:02 PM

The selection of Biden is a Travesty! I have liked him for a long time now, but he is NOT VP material! This choice is an act of total desperation. Obama should have chosen Hillary - it was a slam dunk. Now what do we get? Biden?!! It is a disgrace. He's not new. He's not for change. He's got baggage. He's volatile. He is from the northeast. He is everything Hillary is not. It is an embarrassing disgrace and I can't vote for this ticket! I'm now voting for McCain - at least I know what I'm voting for and he won't betray me.

Posted by: DemVotingMac | August 24, 2008 3:02 PM

All day long this Sunday, August 24th, Republicans from a right wing gutter snipe talk radio bore to another bore, Judy's husband while he was married to Donna or Mr. Florida primary, have opined about the Democratic ticket. Join the rest of us and turn these goons off, that is MSNBC, CNN, and Rash Lintball.

Posted by: doc86 | August 24, 2008 3:03 PM

I'm sure Rudy! and the rest of the McCain apparatus do wish Obama had selected Clinton. With the baggage she and Bill drag around, the GOPdroids would have had a field day advertising negatively until November. Biden provides a much more challenging target for them. The fact that Obama did not select Hillary is a slap in the face--to McCain.

Posted by: Helena Montana | August 24, 2008 3:03 PM

GIRLiani is giving advice to Democrats? I think his bra is on to tight.

Rude Rudy associates himself with Neocon-Fascist traitors, murderers, thieves and thugs who have destroyed America's greatness. He has no credibility.

Posted by: KEVIN SCHMIDT | August 24, 2008 3:03 PM

merganser,

Tell that to the gov of Virginia. I am well aware of the fact that I have to cross MD from VA to get to Bethany Beach each Summer.

Here's the thing about the Biden pick. You pick a VP to help win an important state in a close election. And this election has turned out to be much closer than any Dem can imagine especially after eight years of Bush!

Gore would have carried FL going away had he picked Bob Graham in 2000 for example. Same with Kerry if he had concentrated on OH.

But you never know with these nutty Dems. Every four years they find a way to lose.

Posted by: Tom | August 24, 2008 3:05 PM

Anyone who actually cares knows the the Republicans were salivating over the prospect of a Clinton VP since it would energize their base. So now we get a bunch of speeches about it and a bunch of Republicans online pretending to be upset Hillary Democrats.

Weakness huh? Isnt it McCain who is about to cave in to the extreme right wing and not nominate his first choices for VP? (Ridge or Lieberman).

Posted by: Cal | August 24, 2008 3:05 PM

Much better than Hillary. Biden actually brings a real resume of experience. Hillary's "experience" was all spin.

Posted by: BurtR | August 24, 2008 3:07 PM

Actually, if John McCain was a real maverick (am I tired of that tired commercial) he'd select Joe Lieberman as his VP candidate with the condition that he now caucus with the Republicans in the Senate. This would cause an immediate change in Senate leadership including committee chairs - they would be co-chairs. Any business the rest of the year in the Senate would be under joint control - like back in 2002 when Chafee switch to indy.

Then the hack Harry Reid would not be calling the shots and something might actually get done.

Sens Obama and McCain could then show their true leadership skills and ability to work with both sides that both are so eager to brag about, but have actually produced few results (especially Sen BHO).

Posted by: Chaos | August 24, 2008 3:08 PM

>>Tom wrote: "Ya know ya are dealing with uncompromising idealists here, probably some utopians as well. The far right wing never likes McCain. The far left wing never likes the Clintons. The far right wing gave us Bush. Now the far left wing is hell bent on giving us their anti Bush."

You are right on so many levels.

A lightweight ideological left wing Obama dressing himself up now as a pragmatic centrist with an old-never-will-compete-for-spotlight VP, after beating out the more capable and experienced moderate candidate with party extremists' help during primary season, is a left-wing mirror image of the Bush 2000 election.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 24, 2008 3:08 PM

Does this mean the Republicans are going to nominate Hillary for VP since they think she is so great?

Posted by: marcus | August 24, 2008 3:09 PM

9-11
9 1 1
September 11th
Ground Zero
New York City

Now, just connect the words listed above with any combination of nouns, verbs, pronouns, conjunctions, adjectives, etc and you have just said ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that Rudy the A-hole could ever have to say.

Like they say; consider the source!

Posted by: VoteMagooHe's an Adulteror Too!!! | August 24, 2008 3:09 PM

Giuliani is criticizing someone's political pick?? Did he expect Obama to pick Bernie Kerik? Rudy, people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Posted by: Bob22003 | August 24, 2008 3:09 PM

Condoleeza Rice

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 24, 2008 3:10 PM

Biden is not rich. I know that for repuglicans it's hard to believe that an old white guy from the senate can't be rich....b/c that's the point of life right GOP? Getting rich that is. And I also I know that it's hard for repuglicans to actually go and do some scientific research (science that's immoral!) about the income disclosures of our senators. But it is clearly known by those who keep records that Biden is one of the least wealthy members of the senate, I think second from the bottom. Furthermore, his net work is somewhere in the low 300's. He doesn't own a house or apartment in DC either. So let's see....Obama made a few million off of books he wrote, one of which was published before he came to congress and let's not forget that his wife is also a working mom who is a VP at the University of Chicago. Now John McCain has had a governement job his whole life, cheated on his first wife, got married to Cindy Opiate Abuser McCain before he was divorced from his first wife then has used his wife's millions ever since. And if u want to talk about Rezko, who bought a piece of the obama's house at market value years before he was ever indicted for anything....then let's talk about the Keating 5.

Posted by: TK | August 24, 2008 3:10 PM

good luck nobamam. you will need it.

Posted by: tony | August 24, 2008 3:10 PM

Just face it Dems. You are all WEAL on defense. You want to quit the fight just as we're winning. You have no plan for victory other than running away like whipped little dogs. You are cowards. Your Hollywood elite that leads the Party are all preaching global do-gooderism without acknowledging our national interests. And now you've all got a pu$$y presidential ticket with two quitters in charge. Wow.... yea I want to vote for you...

Posted by: AmericanHonor | August 24, 2008 3:10 PM

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The selection of Biden is a Travesty! I can't vote for this ticket! I'm now voting for McCain - at least I know what I'm voting for and he won't betray me.

Posted by: DemVotingMac | August 24, 2008 3:02 PM

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If you were really a Democrat, you would not have made such a ridiculous comment.

Yes, McSame will not betray you. He votes for Bush 100% of the time. He supports Bush 100% of the time.

He will continue in Bush's footsteps and lead you and the rest of the sheeple to the slaughter. He will not betray you.

Vote Republican and you get what you deserve:

http://www.ImVotingRepublican.com

Posted by: KEVIN SCHMIDT | August 24, 2008 3:11 PM

Rudy Giuliani should go back to running Giuliani Partners, Baker Botts, his security consultancy, and generally milking the last remaining drops of self-enrichment and self-aggrandizement from 9/11.

Posted by: Guy B. Jones | August 24, 2008 3:11 PM

Game Set Match said:

McCain should pick Powell.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

What makes you think that Powell would actually serve under the Republicans again after the way he was treated last time?

Posted by: Rick W | August 24, 2008 3:11 PM

Syeve Finner wrote:

remember that when McCain wins and the Supreme Court moves further to the right for the next 20 years
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I would have to disagree, really, at this point, democrats show no more allegiance to the law, or the Constitution, than republicans, havent' the last eight years shown us that, too?

FISA was passed by the Democrats, strategically, Rockefeller supporting it, Pelsoi, for all her rhetoric, never ever standing up to Bush, the execution of the war, a disgrace.

It wasn't only Bush, it was also the democrats, and their stupid lobbyists, who capitulated, for some bizarre reason, to Bush.

So, threats of that sort, even if well intentioned, no longer make much sense.

To me, anywaay.

Democrats need to behave like democrats again, showing some understanding of our laws, and the reasoning behind them, protecting those laws, politics is not a PR issue, despite their illusions..

PR from a bunch of self impressed clueless lightweights is pretty easy to see through...

Posted by: Mordant Cowboy | August 24, 2008 3:12 PM

You're all too partisan...you should just relax and go to http://www.hotboxsports.com/ and join a free H2H fantasy basketball league starting September 1st. Rudy who?

Posted by: HotboxSports | August 24, 2008 3:12 PM

The best thing about a John McCain/Condoleeza Rice ticket up against a Barack Obama/Joe Biden ticket is that the only one who obviously doesn't belong in the group is -- Barack Obama.

It would so highlight his defects and incompetence to have all these prominent, articulate statesmen/stateswomen speaking on one level, while "hope" "change" boy is still trying to sound impressive without being specific, from his freshman-senator world view.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 24, 2008 3:13 PM

I see Rudy Giuliani's back after having ridden his noun, verb, 911 tic all the way down to ignomy. John McCain now seems to have developed his own full-blown case of Giuliani syndrome with his noun, verb, POW tic. Will he be able to shake it or will he, too, become a one-note laughingstock?

Posted by: Mary | August 24, 2008 3:13 PM

I'm not entirely surprised that Giuliani is against the VP nomination of the guy who brought up his "Noun + Verb + 9/11" tendencies.

Posted by: Max | August 24, 2008 3:14 PM

When McCain makes his VP pick I hope the media pulls out Bush's smear of McCain in 2000. Odd that the fundies didn't mind that smear.. but they learned that smears are effective. The GOP has become the leader of smear.
For more of the same vote John McCain!

Posted by: Gus | August 24, 2008 3:15 PM

Republican campaigning in a nutshell:

Giuliani: Noun + Verb + '9/11'

McCain: Noun + Verb + 'P.O.W.'

Huckabee: Noun + Verb + 'Jee-zuss'

Romney: Cant remember anything this guy says because Im too busy staring at his weird Devo hair.

Posted by: Cal | August 24, 2008 3:15 PM

I'm a registered Democrat and have NEVER voted Repuplican but I am this year.

Posted by: SU Atkinson | August 24, 2008 3:15 PM

Of course McCain and his proxies are squawking about Clinton not being picked for VP. They were armed to take her down with piles and piles of dirt they spent the last 8+ years digging up on her and Bill and now it is clear all that time and energy spent on researching Hillary was for naught. Biden was the best choice for VP.His resume is far superior to HRC. Her experience as first lady does not match his as a 30+ year Senator. She really did not want to be VP anyway as it was revealed that Clinton would not allow Obama to vet her, especially regarding the questionable contributors to Bill Clinton's Presidential Library. The GOP have assumed Clinton would be the Democratic candidate for years, have spent endless hours and resources digging for dirt on her and Bill, have a stockpile of information they were ready to unleash to derail her run and the Democratic voters knew that. Primary voters did not reject HRC due to sexism, no, they KNEW she could not win because she was tainted.(at least those voters without HRC blinders on) Her campaign was a total mess, she surrounded herself with the likes of Penn and couldn't keep Bill from blowing his mouth off. She never really had a chance. Even if Edwards left the race earlier, those who voted for Edwards still would have voted for someone other than HRC. She lost and that is the bottom line.

Posted by: msskwesq | August 24, 2008 3:15 PM

I'm not entirely surprised that Giuliani is against the VP nomination of the guy who brought up his "Noun + Verb + 9/11" tendencies.

Posted by: Max | August 24, 2008 3:16 PM

TK - I seriously doubt Biden's net worth is in the low 300's. If it really is that low - god forbid we put someone who has no sense of finance in an important position like Senator - bad enough VP. With the governments thrift savings retirement plan Biden should have a tidy little nest egg built up.

Oops I forgot - he probably wasted a bunch of that on a loan for himself for that stellar campaign he ran. At laest he didn't waste as much monry as Rudy did in his campaign.

Posted by: Chaos | August 24, 2008 3:18 PM

Hey Rudy.... Mind your own business! Go find yourself another wife, something you are very good at! Who are YOU to criticize Obama's choice? If it had been Clinton, you and the GOP would have criticized her as well!

Get a life besides 9/11 and Judy. I know you are still hoping that McCain will choose YOU! Fat CHANCE Rudy! I'm just glad the voters were smart enough not to make you the GOP nominee, although it would have been fun bringing up all of the cheating you did on all of your wives!

Posted by: Amanda | August 24, 2008 3:19 PM

"message to Rudy ..."

BUTT THE f**k OUT

Posted by: Mark In Irvine | August 24, 2008 3:20 PM

Even Giuliani knows hows easily the Clinton cougars are played like a fiddle. Don't listen to others Democrats, listen to Giuliani. Even better listen to Cheney, he will have something to say shortly.

Posted by: Jimbo | August 24, 2008 3:20 PM

Every thing terror 9/11 Giuliani, what a surprise. Now his battle cry will be, Everything POW for the Republican convention. POW will make it all right and be the saving of the US.

Posted by: hmmmmmer | August 24, 2008 3:20 PM

Can't ding at Condoleeza Rice for supporting the Iraq War, now that Biden is on Obama's ticket.

Not only was she not an architect of that war, but she was at odds with the neocons and only after they were ousted and she took more prominent roles, has the overseas progress really taken off with North Korea, Iraq and other agenda-topping items.

She's good, she's black and she's brilliant. Ever hear her testify?

That's the ticket that millions of Clinton supporters can get behind.

Now that Obama has picked Biden, that inoculates Rice against (inaccurate) attacks of being on the side of the Iraq War supporters.

The most breathtaking, dramatic "change" event that can happen this Fall, is for the Republicans to put a black candidate on the ticket this Fall -- and a woman at that. It would take the mantle of "transcendence" away from the Democrats so fast, the Democrats' love-to-hear-themselves-speak, self-loving gasbags ticket would drop like a rock.

By picking Biden, Obama struck at McCain's substance strengths. By picking Condoleeza Rice, McCain can evaporate Obama's reflexive racial preference strength among black voters and women.

The McCain-Rice ticket would be the really dramatic game-changer this fall.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 24, 2008 3:21 PM

Yeah, we Democrats really need advice from Mr. noun verb 9/11 and Bill Kristol and whatever ridiculous Republican talking head was on MSNBC a little while ago! Thanks, now go away and pick your own candidates.

Posted by: Diane | August 24, 2008 3:21 PM

HRC supporters do not need to be "riled" up by the Republicans or anyone else; most people I know have no intention of voting for Obama, a few may go for McCain but most just won't vote. Of course, Obama and his henchman are doing everything possible to make Denver a police state so that none of those pesky HRC supporters can make trouble - you either tow the line, or else.

I respect Biden but he does not change my feelings; in fact, he just emphasizes Obama's weaknesses and terribly thin resume. Am glad HRC was not asked to be VP, by all accounts she had no interest in the position, she would have accepted under duress. Not to mention, she is much too strong to be a side kick to "the One".

It has also become quite obvious that Obama has issues with white women, especially older white women. It was only recently, that the media stated that his grandmother had retired as a bank VP, after a long climb (interesting that this fact was so buried). You know the grandmother, the one he threw under the bus but whose apparent opinion is so important now (according to the Saddleback conversation) - give me a break you sexist, racist jerk! Do note that Obama mainly surrounds himself with adoring white boys, but maybe that's by default - hmmmm. HRC 2012!

Posted by: Too much testosterone! | August 24, 2008 3:22 PM

Giuliani is knocking Obama for not picking Clinton? ROTFL. During the primary, Giuliani second's favorite topic (after 9/11) was what a witch Hillary Clinton is and how easily he could beat her.

>older rich white male.

Do some research, dude. Biden is not "rich" by any definition of the word.

Posted by: JD | August 24, 2008 3:23 PM

Rudy, for all his flaws, has hit the nail squarely on the head. Ex-candidates who have no irons left in the fire come out with remarkable clarity in their analysis, unlike those who are still angling to curry favour with the top of the ticket.

By choosing Joe Biden, a veteran who joined the Senate when Obama was in middle school, Obama implicitly acknowledged his own lack of experience, in ..... just about everything.

Senator Biden's personal story has been tested many times - Robert Gibbs, Obama's Communications Director

Too bad Obama's story has been carefully swept under the rug by a sycophantic media.

Axelrod said Biden's wisdom was gained not in Washington but .... in the working-class communities of Scranton, Pennsylvania, and Wilmington, Delaware."

And what has Obama gained in Hawaii, Indonesia, Columbia and Harvard, which kept him glued to a a pastor for twenty years?

He (Rendell?) said it wasn't necessary to screen Clinton as a potential vice president as much as others.

But it was necessary to screen Obama - which the press forgot with a tingle crawling up their collective legs.

Rendell said that Obama needs to do more to explain his specific policies to Americans.

No, Obama 1) needs to explain which of various positions he holds on any given issue is his final one, and 2) why he constantly changes his positions, explaining, refining, redefining, nuancing, ....

Joe Biden works in Washington but he doesn't live there," Gibbs responded. "He is somebody who never has forgotten where he's from. ... He's a down-to-earth kind of guy."

So, is Gibbs saying that the daily commute plus sleep time in Delaware is what makes Joe Biden tick?

Gibbs acknowledged that Biden sometimes has an unhelpful tendency to be loquacious.

What about Obama? He has an unhelpful tendency to be vague, ambiguous, incoherent, stuttering, unresponsive, ....

Gibbs said, adding: "We didn't hire him for his stunning good looks."

Really? To me Joe Biden looks more presidential than any one else in the field, Democrat or Republican. Is this a gaffe by Gibbs? Is he calling Biden ugly? Not photogenic? Not presidential? next to Biden, Obama looks positively like a gopher. Sycophancy should have its bounds. Especially when talking about a member of your own team.

Gibbs said. "You're out of touch if you have seven houses and don't even remember."

Really? Quick, Mr. Gibbs - How many cars have you had over your lifetime? How many different stocks do you own? Can Obama say whether he owns a share in an office building in Chicago? What if it is in a REIT he has shares in? The number of houses of McCain is a cheapshot.

Gov. kaine may be excused for saying Virginia borders Delaware, seeing as how on the Eastern shore, Delaware, Maryland and Virginia are within 15-20 miles of each other. OTOH, how do you explain Obama's 57 state tally?

Posted by: Krishna | August 24, 2008 3:23 PM

Just when I thought Dems were done shooting their own feet (e.g., Hillary vs Obama, Obama's lack of experience, no connection with middle class, etc.)...they go and totally surprise me.

And here I thought 2008 would be an interesting election.

Good job Dems and H. Dean, you blew it. Again.

I'm becoming Independent.

Posted by: Smalls | August 24, 2008 3:23 PM


IS BIDEN SINCERE?

Biden praiesd McCain before. He knocks him now. So... was he insincere before or now?

Posted by: Billw | August 24, 2008 3:24 PM

I believe the choice of Biden is a huge mistake, and an insult to the many of us still hoping Clinton would be a part of the next Presidency.

I will probably still vote for Barack but I am deeply disappointed, and not impressed with Mr. Obama's math. From any simple arithmentic, her supporters and his supporters make up a majority of the voting public. Too bad.

Posted by: westee | August 24, 2008 3:25 PM

Wow, this has been fascinating, boy, when I want original thought of the type that challenges and enlightens my intellect, this is the place, (this, and the blogs).

The smartest people, ever.

Posted by: Mordant Cowboy | August 24, 2008 3:26 PM

Since the Republicans love Hillary so much then they should nominate her.

Posted by: Ron W | August 24, 2008 3:27 PM

>It has also become quite obvious that Obama has issues with
>white women...

Good lord, what a crock. Why not just cut through the BS and call him an uppity Negro.

Posted by: JD | August 24, 2008 3:27 PM

We're now entering the NONSTOP HYPE phase of the campaign. My thoughts on how to prepare to cast your vote in the upcoming election.

1) Turn off your TV. Rent videos.
2) If someone you know mentions the name of anyone who ran for President, regardless of party, cover your ears and running screaming from the room.
3) Repeat as a mantra: Religion and Politics should be separate. A few million times should do.
4) Mail in your ballot in advance. That makes it harder for Diebold to ignore it. Not impossible, but more difficult.
5) They day before the election, jet to Fiji and hole up in a hut with no electricity. Drink native rum. Eat grilled fish. You'll feel better for it.

Posted by: samson151 | August 24, 2008 3:27 PM

Does anybody care what Giuliani says? I think not. I know I don't.

Posted by: Mark | August 24, 2008 3:28 PM

So now the McCain team is more qualified to choose a running mate for Obama, when they are bent on winning? They must be running a bit scared or they wouldn't be rushing to criticize right out of the gate.

Biden effectively neutralizes McSame... and erases experience concerns.

How do the Repubs get to say they'd prefere Hillary? It's just another quick tactic to try and siphon off any disgruntled Hillarites.

The "Straight Talk Express" is more like the Karl Rove Caravan everyday.

It's time for politicians to be straight up with the American people.

Posted by: DonJulio | August 24, 2008 3:29 PM

What is Rudy smoking?

HRC is unacceptable as either Pres or VP for many of us. Having "her" on the ticket would simply guarantee a win for McSame and the Republicans!

Posted by: CW | August 24, 2008 3:30 PM

Guiliani will be speaking at the Republican Convention--he is a strong partisan. Of course he will try to disparage the Democratic ticket. Why is this news? Any Republican will try to make Hillary supporters upset. Why does the Post report this drivel?

Posted by: Mike | August 24, 2008 3:31 PM

Giuliani, another "OLD FART" and WAR LOVER!
Go to hell for all I care fight now I'm "VEX" and so as my family at the Repug party!
Then here comes McCain for President the Stupid fool has SEVEN (7) houses and we the people cant even afford One! just one! Good Home to put our American born children in*
Man you REPUGS are Crap! and CROOKS!
Nothing but a bunch of LAME DUCKS!
I tell ya McCain you really should amend the laws for retired persons as you will need it shortly to clean your filthy diapers.

Vote REPUBLICAN: THIEVES, LIES, WAR, FELONS,CLOSET HOMESEXUALS (MARK FOLEY SCANDAL)*

STAY TUNED MORE TO COME BY THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION ON WAR WITH IRAN!*

Obama & Biden supporter 100%
We still love the Clintons 100%
UNITE DNC.

AMERICA, GET UP, STAND UP, FOR YOUR RIGHTS,DONT GIVE UO THE FIGHT SAY I'LL NEVER GIVE UP THE FIGHT, YOU DONT GIVE UP THE FIGHT!
LETS GET RADICL DEMS...

Ian
Nassau
The Commonwealth of the Bahamas
THE FREE WORLD PEOPLE.
PEOPLE OF THE FREE WORLD!

Posted by: Ian | August 24, 2008 3:32 PM

When Rudy Giluiani's wife kicked him out of the house, he spent the next four months living with a gay couple in NY who were close friends of his. Giuliani has cross dressed as a Rockette, as Mrs Doubtfire and as an old wrinkled Marilyn Monroe, with the blue varicose veins and five o'clock shadow that Monroe never knew.

It is only fitting that the grumpy old right wing curmudgeon, John McCain, who started the fire on the USS Forrestal with a prank that killed 132 sailors and Marines, would pick the sorry and no-account cross-dresser, Rudy Giuliani to throw insults at the young Senator from Illinois over his choice for a running mate.

Rumor has it that Giuliani will show up to give his speech at the republican convention dressed as Julia Childe.

Posted by: DCSage | August 24, 2008 3:33 PM

Why all this fuss about not chosing Hillary? I feel it would have been the biggest mistake he could make. I think Hillary and Bill would have been busy working against him the whole time.
How often in the past did a Presidential candidate pick as his running mate someone who had been running against him? I really don't know.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 3:33 PM

`For us first time posters: please define PUMA.
Thanks..

Posted by: zed | August 24, 2008 3:34 PM

Posted by: Paul

I give up. This will be the first time in my life that I vote Republican.

Paul for the first time in my life, I will not be voting for any candidate. I am life long registered Democrat who happens to be black. Neither Senators John McCain nor Barack Obama will not do anything to address the illegal immigration issue. They have talked very little about illegal immigration and when they did, they pandered to La Raza, LULAC and other Hispanic organization. Presidential candidates Barack Obama and John McCain will not secure our porous borders to stop illegal aliens from coming from Central/South America, Dominica Republic, and Mexico.

Illegal immigration is the most important issue to me, because I live in El Salvador/Central America daily in my Ward 4 Washington, D.C. neighborhood. The citizenry is screwed in this country on the illegal immigration issue. White U.S. citizens is reported by the U.S. Census to become a minority in 2042. If whites will become a minority, it will be over for black U.S. citizens, because blacks will be a minority within a minority. Hopefully, I am dead, buried, and gone on to glory by the year 2042.

Posted by: Ward 4 D.C. Democrat | August 24, 2008 3:35 PM

Everyone has an opinion. Let everyone voice theirs and then then lets see how the vote turns out.

Posted by: anomyous | August 24, 2008 3:35 PM

"What is they say about manipulating narcissists, those who cannot change their mode of attack?

(sic)"

What they say is, they post stupid inanities anonymously.

Posted by: tom | August 24, 2008 3:35 PM

Of COURSE the Republicans wanted Clinton to be on the ticket. What her supporters seem to forget is that Hillary Clinton, rightly or wrongly, carries a great deal of baggage.

The Republicans must be devastated. They've no doubt long ago produced gazillions of dollars worth of negative ads highlighting Clinton's baggage. Now they'll have to wait until 2016 to use them!

As for the maybe three commentors on this blog who really are Clinton Democrats that won't vote for Obama (as opposed to the 50 who say so but are really Republican trolls), please do get over it. You folks must not have been in politics very long. I've been a voter for 40 years and have had to hold my nose many times in the process to vote for the best candidate on the ballot(including twice for Bill Clinton, whom I thought was a phony Democrat, but still better than Bush the Elder or Dole).

Posted by: wkorn | August 24, 2008 3:37 PM

This is off the subject because I haven't seen many articles about George Clooney sponsoring a fund raiser for Obama in Geneva, Switzerland in September. Does anyone know if Americans living in Switzerland will be there or will it be a combination of Americans and Swiss people? I know that Obama wants to be a leader of the world. Is going to start in Switzerland?

Posted by: Michael | August 24, 2008 3:38 PM

Well, I have been saying it over and over that Obama is inexperienced, unqualified, and not knowledgeable to lead this great nation of the USA as president. Also one of the key qualities of the office of the US president is someone who can make independent and sound decision and stand by it especially in the face of crisis. Another quality is someone is NOT just a talker but someone who has actually served this nation and sacrificed more for this country. In my opinion, Obama falls short of most of the qualifications. So it is NOT a surprise if Obama realizes his incompetence and he tries to select a VP that he thinks (wrongfully in this case) will compensate for his inexperience. This is the first sign of how careless Obama will lead America if he were to be elected as president (a scary thought). I have carefully watched Obama speaks and he has NO independent NEW idea to offer but flip-flaps and he oftentimes insert other people's idea that might resonate with his audience. That is NOT a good leadership quality. For him to say "I led demonstration against the Iraq war" is NOT any independent thinking. That is an idea that anyone can borrow from ALL the demonstrators here and around the world who are against the war perhaps because some of the people do not understand ALL the modalities about the war. Also to say that "I am against drilling the US oil reserve" and latter on when the majority of Americans are saying we want to drill the oil reserve because of the current high gas price and then Obama coming and saying ok I change my mind, that is a complete lack of convictions. TO say "the surge was NOT going to work" (as said by both Obama and Biden) and while the surge is succeeding in Iraq and Obama is still NOT giving credits to those who thought of this idea and also NOT giving credit to our service men and women who are sacrificing their lives and accomplishing such a great success, is indeed arrogant on the part of Obama. Furthermore, it is NOT foreign affairs experience at all for Obama to go to Germany and deliver a speech full of clichés and ideas from past leaders including JFK, Ragan, GW Bush, etc. and mislead people to think it is Obama's own idea. That is NOT practical foreign affairs experience at all! Rather that is an act of plagiarism in some form. The list goes on and on. The truth of the matter is that Obama is just NOT qualified to lead this nation especially in the face of any danger or crisis. The president is the decision maker NOT the VP! Obama is NOT READY TO LEAD! He is a good radical talker but NOT a leader for the free world in such a critical era of ours. Mr. Biden also has such a bad mouth as he has demonstrated several times. The team is just NOT impressive at all.

Posted by: Jimmy | August 24, 2008 3:38 PM

Why was Axelrod interviewed here .. he is a paid snake for the Obama Camp .... and he is the one who painted the Clintons as racists in order to take the Black vote away from Hillary!!
McCain '08
Hillary 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Cassandra Washington | August 24, 2008 3:39 PM

I still say Al Gore would have been the one to go to with hat in hand and beg to run as VP. . . . . . But Biden is a good choice.

Rather than shy away from the energy issue ( because of McCain’s popular offshore drilling stance ), Obama should hit the issue head on. . . . Not by dealing with the issues of drilling or nuclear power, but by picking-up Gore's Ten-Year-Challenge and running with it -- and running hard. . . . Obama, if he’s worth his salt, can turn this into a winning issue.

THINK OF WHAT the equivalent of $1 per gallon gasoline would to for our economy! . . All because we went to generating all our electricity by 100% renewables!! . . . . Sound too good to be true? – Well it isn’t.

Obama can win the energy issue. He has Al Gore; what he needs is the vision and the zeal. . . . . . If Obama gets vision and zeal (supposedly his strong suits), He wins in four major categories

1) The economic crisis,
2) The crisis of dependence on foreign oil,
3) The madness in the Middle East,
4) And decrease the climate crisis.
. . . . . . And he can do it, all at once.


http://www.wecansolveit.org/

Posted by: Coldcomfort | August 24, 2008 3:39 PM


"The best thing about a John McCain/Condoleeza Rice ticket up against a Barack Obama/Joe Biden ticket is that the only one who obviously doesn't belong in the group is -- Barack Obama."

The other three stand out with a solid history of contribution. Obama brings to mind a hawker at the circus.

Posted by: Billw | August 24, 2008 3:39 PM

Did Rudi manage to go a complete sentence without mentioning 9/11? Wow! And had Obama picked HRC, Adulterous Rudi would have criticized Obama for not having the guts to stand up to HRC. No one gives a rat's behind what that fool says.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 3:41 PM

Posted by: Paul

I give up. This will be the first time in my life that I vote Republican.

Paul for the first time in my life, I will not be voting for any candidate. I will write in the name of Moses of Mount Sinai. I am a life long registered Democrat who happens to be black. Neither Senators John McCain and Barack Obama will not do anything to address the illegal immigration issue. They have talked very little about illegal immigration and when they did, they pandered to La Raza, LULAC and other Hispanic organizations. Presidential candidates Barack Obama and John McCain will not secure our porous borders to stop illegal aliens from coming from Central/South America, Dominica Republic, and Mexico.

Illegal immigration is the most important issue to me, because I live in El Salvador/Central America daily in my Ward 4 Washington, D.C. neighborhood. The citizenry is screwed in this country on the illegal immigration issue. White U.S. citizens is reported by the U.S. Census to become a minority in 2042. If whites will become a minority, it will be over for black U.S. citizens, because blacks will become a minority within a minority. Hopefully, I am dead, buried, and gone on to glory by the year 2042.

Posted by: Ward 4 D.C. Democrat | August 24, 2008 3:43 PM

Trudi Julie Annie is a REPUKE.

His opinion on Democratic party matters is worthless. Meaningless. Irrelevant.

Trudi Julie Annie needs to shut the f*ck up and go shoe shopping. Don't forget a matching purse.

Posted by: Tom3 | August 24, 2008 3:44 PM

Posted by: Paul

I give up. This will be the first time in my life that I vote Republican.

Paul for the first time in my life, I will not be voting for any candidate. I will write in the name Moses of Mount Sinai. I am a life long registered Democrat who happens to be black. Neither Senators John McCain and Barack Obama will not do anything to address the illegal immigration issue. They have talked very little about illegal immigration and when they did, they pandered to La Raza, LULAC and other Hispanic organizations. Presidential candidates Barack Obama and John McCain will not secure our porous borders to stop illegal aliens from coming from Central/South America, Dominica Republic, and Mexico.

Illegal immigration is the most important issue to me, because I live in El Salvador/Central America daily in my Ward 4 Washington, D.C. neighborhood. The citizenry is screwed in this country on the illegal immigration issue. White U.S. citizens is reported by the U.S. Census to become a minority in 2042. If whites will become a minority, it will be over for black U.S. citizens, because blacks will become a minority within a minority. Hopefully, I am dead, buried, and gone on to glory by the year 2042.

Posted by: Ward 4 D.C. Democrat | August 24, 2008 3:45 PM

"It appears that the ultra-liberal Mr. Obama, champion of the under-represented, is afraid of a strong, talented woman."

perhaps obama wanted hillary for vp. . .perhaps she declined. . .or perhaps, seeing as the sound bites of biden's trivial obama-insults are already being replayed and discussed, the obama camp didn't want to watch and defend a million you tube videos and mccain ads re-hashing hillary's cornucopia of ugly anti-obama rhetoric. . .

besides, any feminist can see michelle obama is no damsel in distress. . .strong and talented. . .and obama seems to be unafraid of oprah. . .:)

I'm a feminist who would have rejoiced at hillary's victory, but c'mon. . .let's not pretend to know that obama's pick had everything to do with his deep fear of a vagina in the white house, ladies.

Posted by: ednapontellier | August 24, 2008 3:46 PM

So Rudy now wants to join the Democratic party. Has he stopped to think that we feel he should be the GOP VP based on his popularity with himself?

Posted by: Robert | August 24, 2008 3:47 PM

I'm relieved that Giuliani has added some new words to his vocabulary. I thought the only words he knew were "nine-eleven, nine-eleven, nine-eleven."

Now apparently his new vocabulary includes "Hillary Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Hillary Clinton."

I can't wait until he learns the most important words to our language: "President Barack Obama, President Barack Obama, President Barack Obama."

Posted by: aBigSAM | August 24, 2008 3:48 PM

Is this the same rudy giuliani who won the 2008 GOP presidential nomination? Oops that's right, there's that silly requirement that a candidate must actually COMPETE in a primary before he can be declared the winner. Too bad about that hugh rudy, otherwise you could picked hillary for your own ticket....tsk, tsk, tsk....time for another wife and a ballgame.

Posted by: pj451 | August 24, 2008 3:48 PM

Good Judgement by Obama?

18 million votes v 9,500 votes.

Joe may help Obama carry Pennsylvania and Ohio. Hillary did carry Pennsylvania and Ohio. She may also have helped with Arkansas, Tennessee, Kentucky, New Mexico and Florida.

Women are undecided.
Who knows more about women's issues and women voters? (And this does not include treating Anita Hill unfairly to protect alleged sexual harrasser Clarence Thomas.)

Recap:
18 million v 9,500 voters.
Pennsylvania and Ohio.
Women's Issues and Women Voters?
Hillary or Joe?

He chose Joe! What judgement?

Posted by: DEM now Ind | August 24, 2008 3:50 PM

Posted by: Paul

I give up. This will be the first time in my life that I vote Republican.

Paul for the first time in my life, I will not be voting for any candidate. I will write in the name of Moses of Mount Sinai. I am a life long registered Democrat who happens to be black. Neither Senators John McCain and Barack Obama will not do anything to address the illegal immigration issue. They have talked very little about illegal immigration and when they did, they pandered to La Raza, LULAC and other Hispanic organizations. Presidential candidates Barack Obama and John McCain will not secure our porous borders to stop illegal aliens from coming from Central/South America, Dominican Republic, and Mexico.

Illegal immigration is the most important issue to me, because I live in El Salvador/Central America daily in my Ward 4 Washington, D.C. neighborhood. The citizenry is screwed in this country on the illegal immigration issue. White U.S. citizens is reported by the U.S. Census to become a minority in 2042. If whites will become a minority, it will be over for black U.S. citizens, because blacks will become a minority within a minority. Hopefully, I am dead, buried, and gone on to glory by the year 2042.

Posted by: Ward 4 D.C. Democrat | August 24, 2008 3:50 PM

And of course, any time a prominent GOP politician and McCain supporter criticizes Obama, that's worth a long blog post and a headline on the front page of the Post's web site.

Careful guys: You're going to wear out the kneepads.

Posted by: Peter Principle | August 24, 2008 3:50 PM

My friends, I have by far more experience than my opponent with kitchen table issues.

In fact, I have 7 kitchen tables, so I am 7 times as qualified as my opponent on kitchen table issues.

My friends, don't vote for my opponent because he has only one kitchen table, and America deserves better than that.

I'm John McCain and I approved this message.

Posted by: McCain_08 | August 24, 2008 3:51 PM

Guilliani’s London Bridge...

According to Gulliani's logic, you should put more effort into strengthening your strengths while ignoring your weaknesses.

So, in building their bridge to the White House, Republicans should focus on areas where their bridge (politics) is strong and ignore the areas where it is weak.

Logically, their bridge fails!

On the other hand, in building their bridge to the White House, Democrats focus on areas in their bridge (politics) where it is weak.

Logically, the Democrats' bridge holds while they walk across it into the White House!

...and pathetically, the Republicans want Clinton's women supporters to think that the same Republican Party that tried relentlessly to destroy the Clintons over the years, now truly care about Senator Clinton.

...any Republican that's not a RINO, inherently dislikes the Clintons.

Who's putting together these Republican talking points!?

Posted by: ohioanglo3 | August 24, 2008 3:51 PM

I like Biden.

However, Obama got 50% of the vote and Clinton got 50% of the vote.

Obama (50%) + Clinton (50%) = 100%

and a united Democratic Party!!!

In my book it's a no brainer!

Duh........

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 3:53 PM

This is news? Front-page news at that?

Posted by: sm | August 24, 2008 3:53 PM

Is it just me, or is this the dumbest tactic since Dukakis climbed in the tank?
I have an image of Hillary giving a speech in which she says that two old guys, who think they know women because they have had 5 wives, are patronizing enough to think that she and her supporters need them to stand up and defend her (which is precisely the reaction I am hearing). Then she turns around and says - why don't we show them that we don't need their help making up our minds?
McCain and Giuliani who are unapologetically 1950s chauvinists will have no ability to respond to that.

Posted by: Pragmatist | August 24, 2008 3:55 PM

Now who will McCain Pick? They have shot their self in the foot when it comes to Romney. McCain released attack ads on the Biden Pick because Biden said some things negitve toward Obama during the primary.

Romney called McCain dishonest during the Primary, and more.

Huckabee came in second during the Primary not Romney. This won't go over well with the Christian Base.

Romney and McCain would be the Super Rich ticket - In a middle Class Election.

Biden will win working class Votes, Romney will remind the working class he is the guy that lays you off.

Biden will be filmed going to church every Sunday, Romney will be filmed going to a Mormon church, making the base of the GOP more than Uncomfortable.

So who should McCain pick??

Huckabee would energize the Base.

Huckabee is veiwed as Middle class, winning overwhelming working class voters.

Huckabee didn't attack McCain during the primary.

Huckabee can hold his own with anyone in debates.

Huckabee has 1 house

Huckabee is the most logical, despite what the bloggers that are on Romney's payroll say. By the way, the radio host of Republican talk radio
they are on the Romney payroll too. Romney should learn he can't buy an election. He outspent every candidate during the primaries, even outspending Huckabee 6 to 1. Huckabee still got more delegates.

http://www.HotPres.com McCain Dui? http://www.duihlepguide.com

Posted by: Peter | August 24, 2008 3:55 PM

Good Judgement by Obama?

18 million votes v 9,500 votes.

Joe may help Obama carry Pennsylvania and Ohio. Hillary did carry Pennsylvania and Ohio. She may also have helped with Arkansas, Tennessee, Kentucky, New Mexico and Florida.

Women are undecided.
Who knows more about women's issues and women voters? (And this does not include treating Anita Hill unfairly to protect alleged sexual harrasser Clarence Thomas.)


Recap:
18 million v 9,500 voters.
Pennsylvania and Ohio.
Women's Issues and Women Voters?
Hillary or Joe?

He chose Joe! What judgement?

Posted by: DEM now Idiot | August 24, 2008 3:55 PM

It is funny and hilarious to see comments/views by Repubs, sour grapes attitude, on "democracy with votes" and deitification of Hillary. What a sudden improvement in their vision. Next thing they may use to praise Hillary - as if she may be Mother Mary in their ever changing, temporary views. In fact, Bidens presence, a reality with the tickets scares the heck out of them; they need to change their pants or wear diapers.

Posted by: O. P. Neon | August 24, 2008 3:55 PM

Wait, did someone just say something? Oh, I didn't think so.
www.theendisalwaysnear.blogspot.com

Posted by: Shane | August 24, 2008 3:56 PM

All you voters who will vote for progessive left wing liberal Obama will be signing your death wish. Barack Obama will open up and U.S. borders and let Central-South America, Mexico, and Dominican Republic citizens flow into our country and bring all their many family members. Illegal alien Hispanic women are having babies like jack rabbits and populating our neighborhoods and country by the thousands. Obama and McCain will give all illegal aliens amnesty and citizenship in our country, including dangerous Salvadoran gangs MS-13, STC (Street Thug Criminals), and Vatos Locos. Once Central Americans/Mexicans are the dominate group in this country, they will start killing black and white citizens or send them to Europe and Africa. Pay attention people, your enemies are all around you smiling pretending to be your friends, but they are waiting to over throw our country and make it the United States of Spanish Speaking America.

Posted by: Ward 4 D.C. Democrat | August 24, 2008 3:56 PM

what does rudy giu911ani know about winning presidential contests?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 3:57 PM

Who the hell cares what Guiliani thinks? If he were really so politically savvy, he wouldn't have blown a sure-fire bet to get the GOP nomination.

Posted by: Maggots | August 24, 2008 3:58 PM

Tom | August 24, 2008 2:12 PM :

Hold on to those teeth while LOLest!

Posted by: Texec | August 24, 2008 3:58 PM

All you voters who will vote for progessive left wing liberal Obama will be signing your death wish. Barack Obama will open up our U.S. borders and let Central-South America, Mexico, and Dominican Republic citizens flow into our country and bring all their many family members. Illegal alien Hispanic women are having babies like jack rabbits and populating our neighborhoods and country by the thousands. Obama and McCain will give all illegal aliens amnesty and citizenship in our country, including dangerous Salvadoran gangs like MS-13, STC (Street Thug Criminals), and Vatos Locos. Once Central Americans/Mexicans are the dominate group in this country, they will start killing black and white citizens or send them to Europe and Africa. Pay attention people, your enemies are all around you smiling pretending to be your friends, but they are waiting to over throw our country and make it the United States of Spanish Speaking America.

Posted by: Ward 4 D.C. Democrat | August 24, 2008 3:59 PM

Biography of Dr. Condoleezza Rice, National Security Advisor
On January 28, 2005, President Bush attended
Dr. Rice's swearing-in ceremony as the 66th Secretary of State.

* President Thanks Secretary of State Rice at Swearing-In Ceremony
* Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice

Dr. Condoleezza Rice Dr. Condoleezza Rice became the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs, commonly referred to as the National Security Advisor, on January 22, 2001.

In June 1999, she completed a six year tenure as Stanford University 's Provost, during which she was the institution's chief budget and academic officer. As Provost she was responsible for a $1.5 billion annual budget and the academic program involving 1,400 faculty members and 14,000 students.

As professor of political science, Dr. Rice has been on the Stanford faculty since 1981 and has won two of the highest teaching honors -- the 1984 Walter J. Gores Award for Excellence in Teaching and the 1993 School of Humanities and Sciences Dean's Award for Distinguished Teaching.

At Stanford, she was a member of the Center for International Security and Arms Control from 1981-1986 (currently the Center for International Security And Cooperation), a Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution. Her books include Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip Zelikow, The Gorbachev Era (1986) with Alexander Dallin, and Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has written numerous articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense policy, and has addressed audiences in settings ranging from the U.S. Ambassador's Residence in Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and 2000 Republican National Conventions.

From 1989 through March 1991, the period of German reunification and the final days of the Soviet Union, she served in the Bush Administration as Director, and then Senior Director, of Soviet and East European Affairs in the National Security Council, and a Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. In 1986, while an international affairs fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations, she served as Special Assistant to the Director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In 1997, she served on the Federal Advisory Committee on Gender -- Integrated Training in the Military.

She was a member of the boards of directors for the Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre Dame, the International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco Symphony Board of Governors. She was a Founding Board member of the Center for a New Generation, an educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto and East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula . In addition, her past board service has encompassed such organizations as Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, The Rand Corporation, the National Council for Soviet and East European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED, public broadcasting for San Francisco.

Born November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama, she earned her bachelor's degree in political science, cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded honorary doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, the University of Notre Dame in 1995, the National Defense University in 2002, the Mississippi College School of Law in 2003, the University of Louisville and Michigan State University in 2004. She resides in Washington, D.C.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 24, 2008 3:59 PM

The former mayor of NYC is stating the obvious for a political operative of the RNC. Biden is a complement to Obama. Between the two, there can be no doubt that a very strong team has sights on the executive branch with the intent to restore integrity and competence to a branch of government in total disarray.

Obama's political rhetoric and plan for governmental action is concise, understandable, and on target despite the statements of the Republican attack machine which prefers to conduct personal attacks rather than to present concrete plans to get us out of the mess that it created.

Instead of maintaining his relative independence from this White House, McCain has embraced it with vigor. Issues of tax reductions during a time of war, torture, and drilling off shore are the tip of the iceberg of major position shifts for McCain as he tries to court the side of his political party who all but tried to tear him apart in 2000. His one-liners about abortion and Osama Bin Laden betray his relative inability to have any sway over the issues.

Regarding other issues, at least Obama remembers what he says. Whether Obama uses or doesn't use a teleprompter, he remembers what he says. The other side cannot vouch for their candidate in this regard. McCain has already shown why he would prefer war to negotiations. He is another Bush in this regard.

Posted by: Earl C | August 24, 2008 4:00 PM

To all the Hillary Women still whining that she was robbed and insulted: you are correct! The robber was apprehended after returning to the scene of the crime, and, what do you know, it turned out to be Hillary herself! Like her fellow New York Yankees, you can't start out with outlandish advantages in money, personnel, organization, media notariety, etc, etc, and then get out-organized, out- strategized, and out-worked by a freshman candidate with a funny name who is still paying off his student loans and not expect people in and out of the media to make disparaging quips about your ineptitude. When the Yankees lose to a lesser-financed and lesser-reputable team, what gets said about them in the Media??? And why shouldn't it?? This has been SOP probably since the beginning of time and will continue to be. The fact that Clinton refuses to accept her campaign's essential contributions to her loss, and instead choses to lean on the crutch of victimhood by tapping into every negative female/male experience in life her supporter cling to is both strategic and revealing.

Posted by: LCDR Doug Roberts | August 24, 2008 4:00 PM

First the REpublicans attack biden now Their in so much trouble the republicans are tyring to make a movie about Obama's teen years. http://www.theobamaplan.com

Posted by: John | August 24, 2008 4:00 PM

Now Who will McCain Pick They have shot their self in the foot when it comes to Romney McCain released attack ads on the Biden Pick because Biden said some things negitve toward Obama during the primary.

Romney called McCain dishonest during the Primary, and more.

Huckabee came in second during the Primary not Romney., This wont go over well with the Christian Base.

Romney and McCain would be the Super Rich ticket. In a middle Class Election.

Biden will win working class Votes, Romney will remind the working class he is the guy that lays you off.

Biden will be filmed going to church every sunday, Romney will be filmed going to a Mormon church, making the base of the GOP more then Uncomfortable.

So who should McCain pick??

Huckabee would energize the Base.

Huckabee is veiwed as Middle class, Winning overwhelming working class voters.

Huckabee didnt attack McCain during the primary.

Huckabee can hold his own with anyone in debates.

Huckabee Has 1 house

Huckabee is the most logical, despite what the bloggers that are on Romney's payroll say. By the way, the radio host of Republican talk radio
they are on the Romney payroll too. Romney should learn he cant buy an election. He outspent every candidate during the primarys, even outspending Huckabee 6 to 1. Huckabee still got more delegates.

http://www.HotPres.com McCain Dui? http://www.duihlepguide.com

Posted by: Peter | August 24, 2008 4:02 PM

As a Republican I'm very happy that Obama selected Biden as his running mate because the combination of Obama-Hillary would have been very difficult to beat. Now McCain who is a weak candidate has a much better chance of defeating a weak divided democratic party.

Posted by: Michael Mouse | August 24, 2008 4:05 PM

It's not too late for Hillary. She just needs to get tough.

http://blog.topicaltopics.net/2008/08/what-should-hillary-do/

Posted by: Andy | August 24, 2008 4:05 PM

There is one reason and only one reason that it is Republicans that are harping on the fact that Obama did not choose Hillary as his VP candidate. That is, they are hoping to sway the disillusioned Clinton supporters into voting Republican.

Between Senator Clinton and Senator Biden, it is Biden who has vastly more experience in foreign policy. So really, for the good of the American people, there was absolutely no reason to choose Clinton.

If the disillusioned Clinton supporters put the good of the people ahead of their bruised egos, they will do what Senator Clinton has advised, and put a Democrat in the Whitehouse!

Posted by: Arjuna9 | August 24, 2008 4:05 PM

Of course Giuliani says that Obama should have picked Clinton. Just another Republican failure trying to stir up trouble amongst the Dems. He doesn't believe it of course. Hillary's devotees will vote for Obama-Biden. They're not idiots. The Republican devotees, another story.

Posted by: commentator | August 24, 2008 4:05 PM

That is why he lost earlier in the GOP Primary. He does not know how to campaign. He could not win the Senate race between him and Clinton.

Posted by: Thinking Cap | August 24, 2008 4:06 PM

A cheapshot lame divisive "operation choas"-like attempt to stir up Hillary supporters from mean Mr. Mustard.

Nice try Rudy. (yawn) Go change your dress and get back in your corner.

Posted by: NO_rudy | August 24, 2008 4:06 PM

The McCain crowd has now released an ad stating that Obama has now slighted Hillary again by selecting Biden as VP running mate. This Republican ticket is so weak and so worthless that their entire campaign is based on negative nonsense that says nothing about what THEY will do to help our batter country to recover from what they have done over the past eight years.

John McCain is worthless.

Posted by: ctmont | August 24, 2008 4:06 PM

At this point I dislike Obama so much that I was almost afraid he WOULD pick Hillary, because then I would probably vote for him.

Now I'm not going to.

Posted by: Sarah | August 24, 2008 4:07 PM

Nothing surprising or newsworthy in article, except that Gov. Kaine seems to believe Maryland no longer exists as a state, and one can get from Delaware to Virginia directly. I therefore Challenge the Governor to swim directly from VIrginia to Delaware, and prove me wrong!!!

From A Proud Marylander

Posted by: Mike | August 24, 2008 4:07 PM

Now Who will McCain Pick They have shot their self in the foot when it comes to Romney McCain released attack ads on the Biden Pick because Biden said some things negitve toward Obama during the primary.

Romney called McCain dishonest during the Primary, and more.

Huckabee came in second during the Primary not Romney., This wont go over well with the Christian Base.

Romney and McCain would be the Super Rich ticket. In a middle Class Election.

Biden will win working class Votes, Romney will remind the working class he is the guy that lays you off.

Biden will be filmed going to church every sunday, Romney will be filmed going to a Mormon church, making the base of the GOP more then Uncomfortable.

So who should McCain pick??

Huckabee would energize the Base.

Huckabee is veiwed as Middle class, Winning overwhelming working class voters.

Huckabee didnt attack McCain during the primary.

Huckabee can hold his own with anyone in debates.

Huckabee Has 1 house

Huckabee is the most logical, despite what the bloggers that are on Romney's payroll say. By the way, the radio host of Republican talk radio
they are on the Romney payroll too. Romney should learn he cant buy an election. He outspent every candidate during the primarys, even outspending Huckabee 6 to 1. Huckabee still got more delegates.

http://www.HotPres.com McCain Dui? http://www.duihlepguide.com

Posted by: Peter | August 24, 2008 4:08 PM

Gulliani is too keen to get spot number 2 in the Republican party and will not get it! He is still under the illusion that his image post 9/11 is intact!

Gulliani! Your product is out of date! Time to retire in dignity and leave politics to active politicans who have something to offfer to the country!

Posted by: Nouri | August 24, 2008 4:09 PM

Aren't the Republicans happy now that they can "get" Tim Kaine for indicating that Delaware borders Virginia. Considering the fact that McCain has been to Iraq on many occasions, McCain still had Iraq bordering Afghanistan. Chances are that Kaine has not been to Deleware as many times as McCain has been to Iraq. Actually, we have too many Virginians that have no idea that we have an Eastern Shore, much less a Northern Neck. Once you go to the west of Richmond, VA, you really are challenged to find those with a vast Virginia geography knowledge. Afterall, Virginia runs out there about 500 miles or so along its southern border.

Posted by: Earl C | August 24, 2008 4:10 PM

Biden is fine, but Hillary would have been better. Obama is going to lose. Many of us predicted that when he started to move ahead of Hillary. The biggest complaint about that? McCain would beat him.

Dems have blown it. Too bad. It could have been their year.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 4:10 PM

How freaking stupid can Republicans be. They are just showing they dont have any ideas of their own, just wasting time running down another man's decision. How many bleeping votes did Guliana get. not many.

Posted by: Paul Nolan | August 24, 2008 4:11 PM

how to spot a liar:

#1: someone who claims to be a democrat and says that they're voting republican for the first time ever this year.

#2: rudy giu911ani's mouth is moving.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 4:11 PM

I once supported Senator Clinton, but of late she seems more concerned about herself than her nation or her party. Nothing she's done suggests she wants a Democrat other than herself to win this November. Is she hoping for a McCain victory and a run again in four years?

I can't imagine now Obama could trust her under these circumstances, nor should he. The nation needs a partnership between president and vice president. So it is a relief to me that she is not on the ticket.

Now I hope to see Obama as president and Clinton on the Supreme Court. She would serve us admirably there, and with lasting impact. We don't have to like our justices -- and I no longer like her -- but I would very much welcome her intellect and perspective on our highest court.

Posted by: Long View | August 24, 2008 4:11 PM

Wow, Mr. Giuliani giving campaign advice. Who's next? Jim Gilmore?

Posted by: Tyrell | August 24, 2008 4:12 PM

First, Hillary Clinton told Obama she would not except the VP slot on his ticket.
This fact is well known in the political circles.

Second, her 18 million votes during the Democratic Primary campaign were tainted very badly by Rush Limbaugh's Operation Chaos. Estimates are the that at least forty percent of the people who voted for Hillary Clinton in the Democratic Primaries were participating in Limbaugh's Operation Chaos. Therefore, Clinton probably fetched no more than 11 million votes, not 18 million.

Hillary Clinton and her financial supporters did their best to destroy Obama's base of Democratic voters.

By selecting Biden as his running mate, Obama hopes to bring those voters back into his camp. That is why the recent McCain ad targets Clinton supporters. The McCain campaign knows that if the Hillary Democrats vote for Obama, McCain will not be able to offset the predicted huge November '08 turnout of first time younger voters voting for Obama.

Posted by: Francis | August 24, 2008 4:12 PM

As if Senator Obama needs Rudolph Giuliani's Monday morning quarter backing. Senator Clinton was her own worse enemy. Had she not chosen to have her name entered into nomination at the convention, she may have still had a chance at the second seat. However, she showed that she still had not accepted defeat (even though she says she was doing it for her loyalist)and could not be trusted to not have her own agenda as VP. Please just go away Senator Clinton.

Posted by: Sharon | August 24, 2008 4:12 PM

Rudy called it like it is. Worry not, millions of us Hillary supporters will turn out for McCain. It was bad enough to have the least-qualified empty suit nominee of all time, it was worse when his Chicago machine race baited the Clintons.

The McCain camp was smart enough to preemptively shut down the race baiting a few weeks ago (remember "dollar bill" gate?). Now, how will Obama deflect any serious examination of his pathetic record?

Posted by: hj | August 24, 2008 4:13 PM

STOP THE PRESS. If Obama had chosen Jesus H Christ, some will still be dissatisfied. I am almost certain that McCain will choose someone with good economics credentials, I can't wait to hear from Mayor 911.

To the "still bitter" Clinton supporters, she lost the nomination because of her campaign mistakes and squabbles. If she had won Iowa, Obama won't be where he is now. Obama did not cost her the nomination so why purnish him? Obama's agenda are similar to Clinton's. It's stupid to cast your vote solely for personality. THINK people, THINK.

Posted by: T Ola | August 24, 2008 4:13 PM

Evidently if one is bucking for a spot as a talking-head opinionator on TV, nothing helps the cause like utter, total public failure. So now Giuliani--who didn't just lose, he spectacularly blew a big initial lead in the primary race--is deemed worthy to opine on Obama's strategies. So he joins other complete losers, like Bill Kristol, who are propped before the camera for deep insight, even though their track records demonstrate utter and complete lack of judgement. In Rome the losing gladiators were killed, and while I think this might be bit much for modern times, I wish there were a way to kill off the media presence of public losers like this. They should fade into obscurity, not be celebrated on the news shows.

Posted by: alloleo | August 24, 2008 4:13 PM

Well we here in Europe were interested to see that Obama has chosen a some Senator Biden to be his vice President. We are all seriously dissapointed that he did not choose Senator Clinton. I would have liked to see her give a speech here at the Brandenburg Gate or the Reichstag it would have been mayhem! We know nothing of Biden, but then again for that matter, who knows anything about Obama either~?

Posted by: Rudolf Aus Berlin | August 24, 2008 4:14 PM

While I think Biden is a fine Vice-Presidential pick, Obama should take a clue from former President Clinton.

It's the economy stupid!

Here in Colorado (a supposed battleground state), I, along with a number of my friends who will vote for Obama (in my case with extreme reluctance only because McCain is utterly unacceptable) and we think Obama will lose the general election. If Obama is unable to win the general election, with or without Clinton's supporters, then it really would underscore the point that he could not win under any circumstances given the electorate's dissatisfaction with the administration and the Republicans and their policies of the last eight years.

Already, Obama has shown his inexperience in not having been aggressive enough to fight to keep his overwhelming lead amongst the electorate, especially in key states. Instead, Obama's lead has evaporated in the space of six to eight weeks, including Colorado which many regard as critical to winning the presidency.

I think Obama has the qualities to be an outstanding president if elected but I have well founded reasons to doubt that will occur. The only problem is that we do not really know what Obama stands for.

Obama is as an unprincipled a politician as others despite what his supporters think to the contrary. Just look at the reversals in Obama's stance on Exelon, his initial support on the proposed Senate immigration deal, his comments on NAFTA (Goulsbee's remark), campaign financing and FISA.

I would have thought and hoped that Obama would have understood the grave constitutional ramifications of the flawed FISA bill and the threat which it poses to the electorate's constitutional rights when he voted for it, especially given his standing as a former constitutional law professor. The president should understand the importance of upholding the United States Constitution.

The problem with FISA is that if you value upholding the United States Constitution then you should be very threatened by Obama's reversal in position when it came to his initial opposition to FISA which is arguably unconstitutional (yes, I've researched it).

Bush's disregard for our electorate's constitutional rights has been just awful. So why should Obama follow his lead? Ugh. A traitor to the United States Constitution (that is someone who does not uphold it) is a traitor regardless of their partisan affiliation.

It is unfortunate that so many have flocked to Obama just because he is of mixed race. The issue of one's qualifications should always transcend one's race and Obama's resume is undeniably thin.

I believe the United States and its electorate is in a no win situation regardless of whether Obama or McCain is elected. I hope I am wrong about Obama. But I do not think so.

Posted by: flyfysher | August 24, 2008 4:15 PM

giuliani talks with a massive degree of personal,political success,I am sure!
What he opposes,good to support.
Time to get back in the bird-cage,with hood over.
we'll call you,clown,or even worse!

Posted by: canyon1 | August 24, 2008 4:15 PM

the biggest issue posed by this column?
Why did El Wapo run it...
noun-verb-9/11 disapproves of the ticket? Big F'in Deal...

When El WaPo flames out they do it big....burn baby burn

Posted by: Shootingsparks | August 24, 2008 4:16 PM

Who named Rudy to be the expert on Obama's VP choice? Thank you, msskwesq, for your truths.

Posted by: Emma, CA | August 24, 2008 4:17 PM

I was hoping for Bill Richardson, even though I know his name wasn't on the shortlist. Why? Because while doing my volunteer work I have noticed that most 'latino' voters that I talk to are either undecided or voting McCain. I think he would've helped shore up that vote which seems like a big deal. Either way, I'm glad it's not Hilary. I think Hilary would've been political suicide. There is no reason to appease 'her voters' because most of them should come to their senses by the time it comes down to deciding if they want perpetual warfare and bleeding bank accounts or not. All Hillary would've done was energize the Right and probably discourage many 'independent' voters who have a distaste for the Clintons. I love ya Hillary, but you have too many enemies.

Posted by: 2cents | August 24, 2008 4:18 PM

Game Set Match said:

McCain should pick Powell.

What is the old saying "Screw me, fool me once shame on you, screw me, fool me twice shame on me." I am not sure Powell would like the shame attached to the fact Bush screwed him in the UN while McCain cheered on. Powell really is an honorable man and won't be McSame's vice president, nice try by the McSame cronies to get some press.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 4:20 PM

RINOs for Clinton...yea' right!

Since the RINOs love Senator Clinton so much, they should pull together and convince the Republican base to have Senator McCain put her on his ticket as VP.

This would consolidate all the Clinton supporters that want to vote for McCain this election cycle.

So, when the Democrats lose the election, the Clintons would be held responsible and ensure that their combine political futures would be destroyed forever!

...go ahead, make our day!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 4:20 PM

who thef uck cares what Giuliani thinks about Obama's pick? Seriously.

Posted by: npr | August 24, 2008 4:21 PM

McCain has really painted himself into a corner when it comes to his VP, I guess he should of thought about that before releaseing a video questioning why Clinton wasnt on the ticket. McCain will be a Hipocrit if Huckabee isnt on the ticket now. I hope the DNC starts putting together the Hippocrit video as we speak. THe McCain camp is retarded. So John McCain pick Huckabee or suffer the rath of your own venom. http://www.mccanes.com

Posted by: pete | August 24, 2008 4:21 PM

All venting aside (Obama haters), I sure would like to see your posts when Obama wins the presidency. Give a Democrat a chance. Don't worry Hillary Clinton might be able to call some shots within the cabinet....it might happen.....you know it could be a possibilty....

"VOTE OR DIE..."

Posted by: Jason | August 24, 2008 4:22 PM

T Ola,

I thought a lot about Obama in comparison to Clinton. Obama's health care plan is flawed in comparison to Clinton's and his plan will only create more problems with financial solvency that will have to be dealt with later on.

Moreover as I noted in my prior post, I do not know what Obama's real agenda is. Obama flip-flops a lot.

So my point is this. I not only 'think' in making my decisions. I also watch what the candidates are doing to keep informed. And I have disliked what I seen Obama do.

Posted by: flyfysher | August 24, 2008 4:22 PM

Giuliani is an idiot who's only purpose in speaking is to promote John "Dubya" McCain for Giuliani's own self-promotion. Obama certainly could have named Clinton, but the ONLY reason to so would have been to gain her supporters, it wouldn't have actually improved the ticket in terms of governing the country. In a word, Obama's choice of Biden was probably the best one for the country given the choices available.

Posted by: Jon Davis | August 24, 2008 4:22 PM

Before Obama was selected, he was insisting that once the primary voting was over, he would "unify" the Democratic party. Clinton did her part to endorse and help him, but he's still been unable to win over her voters. Now they're claiming that the party will be unified at the convention.

When that fails, he'll start saying that unification will occur in November, at the polls.

And on November 5, he's going to be shaking his head and mubling, "uh, I, uh, I just don't, uh, get it."

Posted by: Lynn | August 24, 2008 4:23 PM

as a journalist, i'd like to know when criticism of another party's running-mate choice by an also-ran of the opposition party became a news story. add to that a built-in prejudice by giuliani to favor someone from his own state, which is not the state of the newspaper running the story. what a waste of newsprint.

Posted by: jumpingelephant | August 24, 2008 4:23 PM

And all you Jews whining about Hitlery Rodham (yea, we know who you really are) not being chosen for VP, well..If you need a Jew president so bad feel free to emigrate to Georgia, or that terrorist rat-hole Israel... you wont be missed here in America.

Posted by: Shootingsparks | August 24, 2008 4:24 PM

Amazing! A pathetic loser like Giuliani giving Obama advice?

Obama took an early and unexpected lead in the Democratic primaries while Giuliani putzed around in the Republican primaries (frightened to show his face until Florida).

Obama went on to win; Giuliani took an early "out." (As he did in his Senate race against Hillary Clinton.)

Now the bozo is offering advice on a VP pick?

Amazing!

The morally-challenged sap needs to shut up and simply keep on doing the only thing that, apparently, he knows how to do:

Enrich himself from the death and destruction of 9/1l.

Posted by: pali2500 | August 24, 2008 4:24 PM

McCain should pick Powell? Isn't it assumptuous that Powell would run with McCain? My understanding is he leans with Obama.

Also, for all of those Republicans (and some of you Dems) moaning about the Biden selection, you should read what Lugar and Hagel have to say about it. Things like "an Obama-Biden ticket is great for America". They were both glowing about how strong of a vp candidate and how good of a person Joe Biden is.

As far as HRC goes, I'm glad she wasn't chosen. First, the Republican talking points would have been that she was selected because Obama needed a stronger presence on the ticket... that it reflected he was a weak candidate. Second, the Republicans had been preparing to run against HRC in the general for two years and were ready to put every skeleton out there on display... this thing would have gotten ugly. Third, she has a LOT of debt and Obama needs the cash he's raising to fight off some pretty aggressive smear campaigns. With her as a running mate, I wonder if Hillary's debt would have to be taken care of for her first.

Personally, I think HRC needs to step up as a leader, get on a conference call with the PUMAs and other disgruntled groups, and tell them to wise up and vote for Obama who more closely reflects her views on just about everything. And if they don't do so enthusiasticly, don't protest in her name, because that is not what she wants. Obama is bendig over backwards for her in this convention, even letting her use it as a stage to collect some debt relief cash. And Clinton, with the ad running rehashing the March "kitchen sink" she threw at Barack Obama, better work her tail off, or that kitchen sink will be blamed for the loss of the White House.

Posted by: Charlie S | August 24, 2008 4:24 PM

To poster Das, the bitter Hillary fan:

You are what's wrong not only with the Democratic party but with America. A sorry, silly, selfish, ill-informed person crying over a sentimental cause. Hillary is and never has been a Democrat or a liberal.

You and your fellow feminists are feminism's worst enemy. It's is really a pity. No joke.

A male feminist over 50.

Posted by: walden | August 24, 2008 4:25 PM

Obama's choice of Biden eliminates most of the party's talking points against McCain: too old, too long in Congress, outspoken and often off script. Biden points out Obama's weaknesses: inexperience, lack of foreign affairs credentials, lack of real life adult experience and decision making. This could be a replication of Cheney, the pupeteer, manipulating Bush.

Posted by: Lizfi | August 24, 2008 4:29 PM

Responding to Jason who wrote:

All venting aside (Obama haters), I sure would like to see your posts when Obama wins the presidency.
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If you're old enough to vote, you're old enough to be told that there is no Santa Claus or Easter Bunny and Obama is as unelectable as he ever was.

And I'm hoping that all we see the day after he loses the election are posts from his cult. I'm sincerely hoping we don't see them screaming, fighting and rioting in the streets.

What a fatal mistake the Democratic party is making. Again. They have driven all of the intelligent voters out of the party.

Posted by: Lynn | August 24, 2008 4:29 PM

Make fun of Giuliani all you want for talking about 9/11 and talking with nouns. Last time I checked Barack thought there were 57 states in this nation, not to mention he cannot make complete sentences without a teleprompter. My third grade nephew knows that there are 50 states, not to mention the fact that he can finish sentences without using the word um', and he actually is bilingual. What kind of education does Barack Obama have? What a joke. Seems to me Obama should be trying out for the show "Are you Smarter than a Fifth Grader?" rather than running for the Presidency of the United States. Unlike some of you, I will not be brainwashed by liberals and socialist ideas.

Posted by: Jay | August 24, 2008 4:30 PM

Make fun of Giuliani all you want for talking about 9/11 and talking with nouns. Last time I checked Barack thought there were 57 states in this nation, not to mention he cannot make complete sentences without a teleprompter. My third grade nephew knows that there are 50 states, not to mention the fact that he can finish sentences without using the word um', and he actually is bilingual. What kind of education does Barack Obama have? What a joke. Seems to me Obama should be trying out for the show "Are you Smarter than a Fifth Grader?" rather than running for the Presidency of the United States. Unlike some of you, I will not be brainwashed by liberals and socialist ideas.

Posted by: Jay | August 24, 2008 4:31 PM

The only thing we can be sure of from a partisan hack like Rudi "9/11" Guiliani, is that he would criticize any VP selection of Obama.

I am confident that if Hillary Clinton had been selected, he would have said that Obama should have picked Joe Biden.

Posted by: Bill P. | August 24, 2008 4:32 PM

Gee, what a surprise: the Republicans are criticizing Obama's choice for VP. Of course they are! Why are they even being asked? They would much rather run against Hillary Clinton(and Bill). The attack machine has been primed to go after her (and him) since Bill left office.

When McCain announces his pick, I trust that the Democrats will be asked their opinion and it's a safe bet they they will think that he picked badly and that they have the better ticket to win the election. I doubt that Obama/Biden will decide to quit the race because McCain picks Romney, Huckabee, Lieberman,or whoever. A better question is how Democrats and Independents see the choice of Biden.

Speaking as an Independent, I think it's a great choice. Biden's intellect, not to mention Obama's, is light years ahead of McCain's, as well as the current President who has gotten us into the mess our country is in.

Posted by: allenwoodhaven | August 24, 2008 4:32 PM

Based on Guiliani's critque, McCain should not pick someone to cover his weaknesses (things like keeping his facts straight, unable to follow a strategy through,keeping his fly zipped, having multiple wives, etc.) Rather he should pick someone who has the same background and weaknesses, and who tops the list? It's Rudy! Mr. 9/11, purveyor of bad strategies (putting NYC's emer-gency communications center in the WTC, Mr."Florida's primary is the key"), multiple wives, one with an annulment after many years, blatant affairs), bad personnel assessments (remember Kerik), etc, etc. Why does anyone give Rudy a microphone? It only would have been news if Rudy had endorsed Obama's pick - what did people expect him to say - it was a good choice? Give me a break!

Posted by: mkh1941 | August 24, 2008 4:32 PM

McCain damned well better not pick Mitt Romney. If he does, I will be in a true quandry. I will have to seriously rethink my written in stone vote for McCain. I honestly do not know what I will do come voting day.

Posted by: socrates3333 | August 24, 2008 4:33 PM

Obama: Way too proud too arrogant and too vindictive to pick Hillary
He still believes the insane Barney style "We can do it! Yes we can" hype created by campaign manager David Axelrod. Without Hillary he'll never make it. At this point it's all lip service from her no matter how broad she smiles or how loud she chants "Barak Obama! The next president of the UNITED STATES!!!".

Posted by: Dr. Dave | August 24, 2008 4:34 PM

For the few morons here who, like their tin god, just don't get it. . .

There's a big difference between the "next top vote" getting candidate from the primaries and the candidate who actually got more votes than you did - fully half the party.

Clinton's far too good to play second fiddle in Obama's washboard and jug band, but that he never even considered her only underscores his arrogance and his spite. His reach has always exceeded his grasp. His hubris, ironically, will be his downfall.

Posted by: Lynn | August 24, 2008 4:35 PM

And I am sure Michelle "don't say anything about my wife" Obama was all over this decision.

She showed total contempt for Hillary back in Feb. when asked who she'd vote for in November if Hillary was the nominee. She made it clear she would not necessarily vote democratic in that case.

I liked Michelle until that point - but when I heard that my heart just sunk.

Posted by: Sarah | August 24, 2008 4:37 PM

Yonkers, New York
24 August 2008

A loser like Rudy Giuliani has no right to criticize Barack Obama's choice of Senator Joseph Biden as his running mate.

Yes, Hillary Clinton would likewise have been as good a choice as Joe Biden--but Mr. Obama preferred Joe Biden for one reason or another, and that is solid proof that when it comes to the clinches, he is able to make a hard decision.

Mariano Patalinjug
MarPatalinjug@aol.com

Posted by: Mariano Patalinjug | August 24, 2008 4:37 PM

There's a reason Hillary got so many primary votes. A lot of Democrats simply did not like Obama and his arrogance. Guess what? They still do not like Obama, and Biden will not help that situation any. Why do you think people are going to vote for someone they never liked in the first place. Party has nothing to do with it. You can't force people to vote for you.

Posted by: terry | August 24, 2008 4:37 PM

Giuliani? After his performance on a national platform (or severe lack thereof), you really have to ask yourself .. what does he know?

Yet, even though he'll never be President, there's always a role waiting for him on the Hogan's Hero remake.

Posted by: tslats | August 24, 2008 4:37 PM

LESSON IN POLITICAL SPIN:

Gov. Edward Rendell said an Obama-Clinton ticket would have been just as strong as Obama-Biden...They're equally good tickets.
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Really? Dem Primary:
Hillary - 18 + Million votes
Biden - about 2 thousand

Equally good? Why insult her any more than she already has been?

Dems for McCain 2008

Posted by: Tony V | August 24, 2008 4:39 PM

Well more of the same old phoney baloney. Just more career politicians running the show, as usual. Stumming the average man and woman like a fiddle. Robbing them blind and living high on the hog, year after year, at his and her expense!

When are the American people going to wake up and realize these career bums are the cause of the trouble America has today? The men and women of Congress are solely responsible for the trouble our people and our country faces today! They've got you by the throat and you don't even know it.

Turn off the TV and start reading books and articles about your government, and these characters who are in charge of it; Obama, Biden, Clinton, McCain, Lieberman, etc. and learn how they pick your pickets year after year. And, how they manage to keep you in the dark.

That is, until you've read a half dozen books on the subject, and find out what's really going on in Wahington D.C.

If folks read books like they watch TV today, these bums in Washington would have been long gone, and American would be a much better, financially prosperous place for all of us.

Old Ben Franklin

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 4:41 PM

FYI, for anyone who isn't aware. Whenever you read a comment on any news story by someone claiming to be a "lifelong Democrat but will vote Republican", the odds are very good that it is a Republican trying to persuade Democrats to do just that. Go to any Republican website and you'll see that this is a strategy they have discussed using over and over.

Posted by: joe | August 24, 2008 4:42 PM

Obama said he was for change. His first major decision is to put some one with 36 yrs inside the beltway on the ticket.

Obama said he was going to work across the aisle. He can't even work with half of the democratic wing.

Obama said he was against the same old politics. Now he is clutching at straws, and attacking the # f houses CIndy McCain inherited.

Obama said he was going to unite the world, and sees no red and blue AMerica, just the USA. He has now split the democratic party down the middle, perhaps irrevocably.

Nobama is the Trojan horse, that the media pimps put into our party. The old democratic hands can't understand what happened to our party anymore. The media pimps tell us that we should trash the only 2-term president we produced in 60 years, brand him and his wife as racists, and follow this neophyte of whom we know nothing.

We let the media pimps steal this nomination away from us, and we have this man, his wife, and his pastor.

We deserve everything we beget.

Posted by: intcamd1 | August 24, 2008 4:42 PM

A noun, a verb and a Hillary nomination. The only chance the Republican party ever had to an election victory in 2008.

Posted by: Richard Ray Harris | August 24, 2008 4:43 PM

So much for the big change that Obama promises. Biden, a relic of Washington who accepts hundreds of thousands of dollars from lobbyists !!!! Yep this is the change that we can believe in. Too Too funny-

Posted by: jimbo | August 24, 2008 4:44 PM

Will someone please explain to the "cross-dresser” that not only is he insignificant he has never been significant or relevant, so just go away.

Posted by: Moe | August 24, 2008 4:44 PM

The McCain gang should be very happy.

Hillary Clinton is available for VP slot on the Repub ticket. Do not forget to thank Obama for it. Also, Bill comes free with the deal. Democrats have always been generous, even after unlimited nastiness from RNC.

One must wonder, why are they complaining while the great opportunity is dancing in their face.

Posted by: O.P. Neon | August 24, 2008 4:45 PM

How many votes did Rudy get in the primaries? Is there a reason anybody should give a rat's ass what he thinks?

Posted by: Patrick | August 24, 2008 4:47 PM

Look, Mr. Zachary Goldfarb,
If we want a glowing recommendation for the actions of the Democratic candidate, we look elsewhere than your column.
You cynically imply that he should have chosen Hillary, when what you really mean is that an endless string of criminal GOP regimes should take over this country, and ANY Republican would do for that purpose.

Stop pretending.
We've noticed that you're a neocon neomoron.

Posted by: wardropper | August 24, 2008 4:49 PM

That so many people voted for Hitlery Rodham does NOT speak to her qualifications, her judgement insight intellect or any other metric...what is speaks to is the gullability and ignorance of a broad swath of the electorate..
The only ones still bemoaning Clinton's relegation to the has-been garbage heap of the dem party are RABID PSYCHO RACIST JEWS.

lets call a spade a spade...lying talmudic asshats all...

Posted by: Shootingsparks | August 24, 2008 4:49 PM

Repukes like julieanne should shut up Hillary did not earn any right to be chosen by Obama in fact she and her supporters ruined her chances by constant whining among many other ways included but for sure the repukes want to sow discord among her supporters so they will be stupid enough to vote for old senile mccrap besides we all know julieanne is a closet gay and should be ignored.Hillary got exactly what she deserved and knows it and if she had any respect for our country and political process she would put a stop to the B/S the repukes are running off at the mouth about but with Hillary as usual its all about herself.

Posted by: sharon | August 24, 2008 4:50 PM

Has anyone even considered that perhaps Hillary does not want to be the VP? I personally don't believe that she would accept being #2.

Besides, Hillary has too much baggage, a lot of it in the form of Bill. Picture this TV ad, Billy, standing beside Hillary, whispering politics in her left ear, while whispering 'sweet nothings' from the other side of his mouth, into the right ear of any 'skirt' standing on the other side of him.

The republicans would have a field day if Hillary were to be selected for the VP position.

They didn't 'Vet' Hillary, yet! Imagine the financial issues that might be raised by the republican campaign. They would jump all over the funding of Billy's library, and then there's the whitewater scandal, just to name two. And who knows what would be uncovered if they would delve into the funds raised to back her in her primary campaign.

Perhaps Hillary might be offered a position in the Obama cabinet. If she is asked, I wonder if she would even accept that invitation?

And most important, a vast majority of Hillary's followers will not vote for a republican, and bite off their political noses to spite their feminist faces. There are too many issues on McCain's side of the fence that are repugnant to a democrat.

That's just one middle-aged, female, Floridian, democrat's opinion!

Posted by: Judy Loft | August 24, 2008 4:51 PM

Rudolph Giuliani FAILED candidacy speaks volumes for this assessment.

Posted by: Greg | August 24, 2008 4:52 PM

Giulani would, of course criticize this choice.
Because the choice is not HIM.

Some people bear defeat with the opposite of dignity.
Giulani shows us how.

Posted by: wardropper | August 24, 2008 4:52 PM

Giuliani's fame was due to the fact that he was the sitting mayor of NYC on 9/11, a fact that he tried (and failed miserably) to to use as a springboard to the White House. Here's a guy who had (how many?) marriages and was boffing his current wife(in the Mayor's mansion)while still married to the previous one. Oh, well.

Speaking of that, Joe Biden is one of the two LEAST wealthy US Senators, having a reported net worth of $100 to $150,000. (They have to declare their holdings regularly.) It was widely reported that he took out a second mortgage on his ONE home for his son's tuition.

Now on to McCain. It's well known that he was cheating with this wife while still married to his previous wife (who, at the time, was dealing with very serious health problems due to an automobile accident). I have even seen where one of his election team made the excuse for him about that and that the excuse was due to his having been a POW for those years. He seems to use his POW experience as a reason for everything.

Then, after getting a marriage license for the current (very rich) wife before the divorce papers were finished with the previous wife, it's been reported that his current wife demanded a pre-nup from Johnny Boy. So...he's so rich that he doesn't remember how many homes they own. He hasn't answered anyone, at any time, how he was in bed with the Keating 5, who looted the US Treasury (with the assistance of another of the Bush brothers) nor does he discuss how, as a US congressman, he voted against the Martin Luther King holiday.

Maverick? Nah. Just another slimy business-as-usual Republican. Go back to Arizona, John and drink some of that beer your wife sells. Sit in the sun and drink your beer.

Posted by: Ken | August 24, 2008 4:53 PM

It is too funny that Biden is the change we can believe in, specially after he said he doesn't believe in Obama.
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=RDVUPqoowf8&eurl=http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=14&entry_id=29425
Another interesting link:
http://wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/video/index.htm

Posted by: Angela 83 | August 24, 2008 4:55 PM

Congratulations Senator Biden!

As an intelligent and devoted Irish Catholic, you are going to do a profound job at representing the United States of America.

You will be the reason Senator Obama will be able to overcome all the obstacles that the Republicans and Clinton supporters have been putting in his way on the road to the White House.

You never blamed anyone for why you weren't chosen as the Democratic nominee!

Your destiny is to be a President-maker, which can be a much bigger task than being President.

You've officially vouched for Senator Obama...now it's a done deal!

Now, it's a matter of the Republicans trying to keep an Irish Catholic from becoming Vice President...and that ain't happenin'!

...they don't call us the Fightin' Irish for nothing!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 4:55 PM

If the HRC supporters will remember, the repubs were salivating at the prospect of
running against Hillary because she would be so easy to beat. It's no wonder every talking head in that party is saying Obama
should have picked her. You can't win when 49% of the country won't vote for you.

Posted by: ja-nice38 | August 24, 2008 4:57 PM

And we are listening to Giulani because . . .?

Posted by: wardropper | August 24, 2008 4:57 PM

Perfect Choice !

Another lifetime politician ( Biden ) in search of the ultimate crown. Not to mention being a pair of lawyers versus the non.

Posted by: Bryant Martin | August 24, 2008 4:57 PM

Who the hell cares what loser Giuliani has to say. The jerk got rich as a result of almost 4,000 New Yorkers who died.

Posted by: truth1 | August 24, 2008 4:57 PM

Slowly but surely, Giuliani is moving towards B-list status in politics. But for now we'll pretend his opinion matters much.

Posted by: 1FastHoo | August 24, 2008 4:57 PM

why would anyone give a flying fig what 9/11 thinks of the choice of Biden? This is the funniest headline I've seen all week, in a week of funny headlines!

Posted by: bdbd | August 24, 2008 4:58 PM

That's funny, I thought "Ghouliani" was in the Republican party.

Oh, and didn't the Ghoulster have some nasty things to say about her when she pummeled him in the 2000 NY Senate race?

GOP 2008 = Sad bunch of morons. I think it's time to start from scratch, and dump this group of losers.

Posted by: Jim | August 24, 2008 4:58 PM

Biden is change we can believe in? LOL.

Delaware besides bordering Virginia is a state high on everyone's list to visit. LOLer.

Dems will blow this election. LOLest.

Posted by: Tom | August 24, 2008 2:12 PM
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Um...Delaware doesn't border Virginia. It borders Maryland, Pennsylvania(?), and I believe New Jersey.

Posted by: Necron-1 | August 24, 2008 4:58 PM

Looks like picking a good VP was above Hussein's pay grade too!
Now it's
Obama bin Biden '08!
Can we all spell L O S E R ?

Posted by: JamesT | August 24, 2008 4:59 PM

This selection is about shoring up Obama's lack of experience. If the campaign was very confident, they would have gone for a "change" type of VP. But no, they went for a no-change candidate to help win the election. Funny how fanciful retoric early-on now morphs into practical vote gathering. Whatever. Biden is a strong candidate for VP, but that will not negate Baracks total lack of relevent experience.

Posted by: dave | August 24, 2008 4:59 PM

Just more career politicians running the show, as usual. Stumming the average man and woman like a fiddle. Robbing them blind and living high on the hog, year after year, at his and her expense!

When are the American people going to wake up and realize these career politicians are the cause of the foreign, domestic and financial trouble America has today? The men and women of Congress are solely responsible it! They continually feed you lies and half-truths. They've got you by the throat and you don't even know it.

Turn off the TV and start reading books and articles about your government, and these characters who are in charge of it; Obama, Biden, Clinton, McCain, Lieberman, etc. and learn how they pick your pockets year after year. And, how they manage to keep you in the dark.

That is, until you've read a half dozen books on the subject, and find out what's really going on in Wahington D.C.

If folks read books like they watch TV today, these bums in Washington would have been canned long ago, and American would be a much better, financially prosperous place for all of us.

Old Ben Franklin

Posted by: Old Ben Franklin in Philadelphia | August 24, 2008 4:59 PM

Hey ya, Biden sent me a text and said, just wait till this porch monkey gets in office, then we will have all the fried chicken and watermelon you can handle.

Posted by: Bill Clinton | August 24, 2008 5:00 PM

The b*tch Sharon releases gas from her netherhole and is trashing Hillary and her supporters.

Just shut up, b&tch. Nobama is toast. The guy just bought his ticket to a sound whipping of his butt, with his Biden pick. Let us where that gets him, with 1/2 of dem party staying away or better yet, voting Mac.

Posted by: duh | August 24, 2008 5:01 PM

Why is selecting someone with strengths that complement your own a bad strategy? Anyone could have been selected to be Bush's VP since he had no strengths and anyone else could have brought pluses to the party.

Posted by: Deano | August 24, 2008 5:02 PM

How is this news. Giuliani is a fraud and does not deserve to be taken seriously about anything. He and McSame team bashed Hilliary at every chance throughout the campaign and now they would like for American women to believe they are her supporters.

It is true that they are disappointed that they do not get to bash an Obama Clinton ticket. But anyone would be foolish to trust a thing this man says.

Furthermore, Hilliary's supporters need to get over themselves. It is clear that there is no chemistry between her and Obama so how would it be right to pretend that they can lead the country together.

She's is a great lady but it is time to move on.

Posted by: James - Los Angeles | August 24, 2008 5:03 PM

I am so disappointed in all of these hillary supporters. Whether it is voting for McCain, or just not voting at all, you should be ashamed to call yourself an american.

Basically, you are all holding a grudge, and you are going to let this grudge ruin America. Whether you like it or not, Hillary and Obama practically stand for the same principles and policies, especially compared to McCain. Hillary lost the primaries. I am not going to argue whether it was rigged by the media, or whether it was fair or unfair, but she lost, and that is that. By not voting for Obama, you are going against what Hillary Clinton stands for, what the democratic party stands for, and what American stands for. Shame on you.

Posted by: Michael | August 24, 2008 5:03 PM

Talk of chutzpah!
Giuliana advising Obama on whom to chose for VP!
Why is this even newsworthy?
I guess this is the only way he can get his name in the news.
Mr G, GO FLY A KITE!!

Posted by: lionsden | August 24, 2008 5:04 PM

Giuliani's right. The VP candidate's experience so drastically trumps that of the ticket's lead that it's supremely comical to think this so-called 'agent of change' actually is serious about creating that change when selecting a good ol' boy as his running mate. If elected, these two will have a 'honeymoon' that ends very rapidly, and will get ugly. God save America.

Posted by: Political Cynic | August 24, 2008 5:04 PM

We know what happened the last time foreign policy was left to the "more experienced" second in command. This is not Change we can believe in. This is more of the SAME LOL

ObAMA = OsAMA = ELITIST & a terrorist = God Damn America supporter / Terrorist supporter / criminal supporter (REZKO)
Biden = BInlaDEN = EGOTIST

Vote for McCain in November

PUMA
Registered Democrat for McCain :)

Posted by: AsBee | August 24, 2008 5:04 PM

It was Mcalin running an ad talking about the same thing. It is so obvious that the republicans are trying to divide the demoncrats. They talke up to Hillary Clinton hoping that they may win over the Clinton's voters.

Posted by: silverspring | August 24, 2008 5:05 PM

McCain couldn't possibly pick Powell or Rice. Hasn't anyone noticed, both are BLACK?!?!

Posted by: bella | August 24, 2008 5:05 PM

It looks like the GOP is runnibng scared.

You just KNOW Biden was a good choice -- look at all the overreaction, the criticism, the noise making.

Biden's far more experienced than McMansion and whatever loser he picks for VP (Romney?!).
And he's tough.

A bad bad week for McMansion.

Posted by: Bob | August 24, 2008 5:05 PM

The negative comments posted by Obama's supporters towards Clinton and her supporters, many of which include personal attacks and some with epithets, reflect the lack of charity and magnanimity in the victory of having secured their preferred candidate's nomination. Undoubtedly Obama's supporters feel they are entitled to voice such anger.

But if Democrats want to secure Obama as president then one should fear the sort of enmity which his supporters display. It only serves to alienate people who might otherwise potentially support him and it could hurt his election prospects. Even if it means swaying only one person to vote for Obama. And if Obama should be elected then all should fear this sort of his supporters. Vindictiveness does not make for a unified nation.

Posted by: flyfysher | August 24, 2008 5:06 PM

"New Biden" and Reston Va., in an renewed efforts to becoming a "choosy" neighborhood? Perhaps Republicans, dogs, and cats and terrorists are not allowed to enter during 19th century?

Posted by: africanj | August 24, 2008 5:06 PM

The only reason Giuliani would want Clinton to have the veep spot would be so that he can run for the senate seat she would vacate. He can't do that in Delaware? Most politicians today are carpetbaggers, right Cong. Moran?

Posted by: Michael1945 | August 24, 2008 5:07 PM

Let's see - guliani, best known for carrying a bullhorn, and placing a disasterous last in the gop primaries, is now going to attack the wisdom of Obama? Wasn't guliani's real contribution to 9/11 the fact that he insisted on putting the disaster response headquarters in the WTC, the most obvious terrorist target in the nation?

Posted by: Brandon | August 24, 2008 5:07 PM

No a winner of the primaries does not always or have to pick the runner up for V.P. Then there is the realism of choice. If the runner up had as many votes as you did and is a very experienced senator most would jump at the chance. Remember the Dream Team. well a good number of that dream team 18 million voters may turn this new team into a nightmare.

Posted by: musing | August 24, 2008 5:07 PM

I am of two minds when it comes to these tributes to Clinton. Of course, I like to hear her given her due respect, which the fraud Obama has never done with anything approaching believability. But on the other hand, these comments are definitely a calculated move to draw disenfranchised Clinton supporters to McCain's side and makes one a tad suspicious of their sincerity. Personally, I never expected Obama to pick Clinton as his vp. His fragile ego will never allow him to forgive her for speaking the unadorned truth about his flaws and weaknesses. A narcissist such as Obama cannot tolerate any form of criticism, especially one based in truth. Criticize such a person at your own risk; watch your back afterward. I am also not surprised that his worshipers aren't screaming about his "old white guy" choice, even in the face of his blatant betrayal of his own "change" message; he's chosen the very antithesis of his messianic platform, an old, white, scandal-ridden D. C. politician, who embodies all the sneering criticisms he and his followers have made about both the Clintons and McCain. Now here they all are, praising him for his "wisdom" for choosing a vp with "experience," which up until now has been a dirty word in their camp, because they previously decided that this was tantamount to corruption and the "same old" politics. So, what's changed, besides the latest Obama mantra? The fact that the fraud now needs an "old white guy" to counteract McCain's superior experience and obvious strength as a leader. If this situation wasn't so scary, I'd be positively howling with amusement.

Posted by: Griffin | August 24, 2008 5:07 PM

rudy has a thing for adulterers. He's pathetic. Hew and Bernie Kerik should retire to Paraguay.

Posted by: John | August 24, 2008 5:08 PM

All you have to do with regards any Gulliani comment is the consider the source -- that man has not standing whatsoever to criticize anyone -- the public has rendered it's opinion of him -- that's why he's out of the race. Get out of politics Rudy, go back to running unlawful business deals!!

Posted by: Tired of the Crap | August 24, 2008 5:08 PM

what a shame..................Obama is gone.

Posted by: jane | August 24, 2008 5:09 PM

duh, your personal attack on Sharon is uncalled for.

Michael, Clinton voted against the FISA bill. Obama voted for it despite his professed opposition to it. Shame on those who individuals who so readily betray the United States Constitution. They may be Americans but they are not, in my estimation, patriots.

Posted by: flyfysher | August 24, 2008 5:10 PM

If Obama thinks touting Biden as a Roman Catholic helps him, he is in serious trouble. Biden is pro-choice, pro-embryotic stem cell research, and totally wrong when he says that people who believe in creationism are full of malarkey. I, as a Roman Catholic, would never vote for these two. Everything they say just goes against the grain. Let's wait until the motion is ruled on that was filed this past week about Obama's citizenship.

Posted by: jtf | August 24, 2008 5:12 PM

Hillary still my girl

Posted by: christine schmidt | August 24, 2008 5:15 PM

All of us people that came out in support of Hillary were there for her because we want change. We don't want four more years of the same downhill slide into ruin. That feeling hasn't changed just because Hillary isn't on the ticket. My family and other Hillary supporters will get behind Obama because the other options are unthinkable.

Posted by: Todd | August 24, 2008 5:16 PM

Biden gets to back to his seat after they lose, two month gig.

Posted by: Morgo | August 24, 2008 5:17 PM

Great.....If Obama is elected, then Biden, whom Obama believes will be his President and answer that 3 a.m. phone call because Obama is not capable of doing so, the Roman Catholic can do a lot of good by helping to overturn the decision on abortion. Good Catholics don't kill babies.

Posted by: Millie | August 24, 2008 5:19 PM

The fool Michael above is rantng about HRC supporters not voting for Nobama slimebag.

The windbag Michael forgets that way back when, earlier than anything else in this campaign, his fist bumping heroine Michelle, proclaimed loudly and proudly that she would not support HRC if Hillary won the nomination.

Perhaps Michael forgot that pearl of wisdom from the would be first-fist bumper.

HRC supporters will stay out or vote McCain because we believe we are not part of the Nobama tent. Nobama is a Trojan horse put in the nominee slot by a disgraceful pimping media; once there, he has done every thing to insult the CLintons, including comparig Bill Clinton to Nixon.

And we need to support this slimebag?

Posted by: intcamd1 | August 24, 2008 5:19 PM

It takes balls for Guiliani to say anything about what it takes to win a national campaign, when he ran what was arguably the most poorly run campaign in modern American history. Laughable.

Posted by: EJB | August 24, 2008 5:19 PM

Rudy Giuliani? Oh yeah...there's someone who should be giving poltical advice. By the way, did you hear that he was there on 9/11?

Posted by: Andrew | August 24, 2008 5:20 PM

Ah what do you idiots at the Washington Post think Rudy would say?

Posted by: Kent | August 24, 2008 5:20 PM

Where does Gulliani get off trying to tell Obama who he should have picked as his VP nominee?? Obviously, he and the Repubs wanted Hillary--anything to help get out their fircely conservative base, and she would've fit the bill--that, and to "sweet-talk" the PUMAs into thinking Obama had insulted them by not picking Clinton. Biden is as much as a bulldog as Clinton, but much less controversial. Mr. Mayor, perhaps you should worry about who Sen. McCain will pick. Just because Biden got off a real zinger on you ("Noun, verb, and 9/11") doesn't mean you have to be so offended.

Posted by: SAGG | August 24, 2008 5:21 PM

With Biden's speech in Iowa, 1987 taken from a speech from the House of Commons and Obama's fictional characters in his autobiography, they can confabulate together!

Posted by: Peter Roach | August 24, 2008 5:21 PM

Rudy is criticizing anybody, hilarious. This is the guy whose campaign strategy was sit it out into Fla, hope for a win and then try to win NY and CA as his way to the Republican nomination. This is the guy two big of a coward to take Clinton on for NY Senate twice b/c he didn't want to lose to a Clinton.

Posted by: OTF | August 24, 2008 5:21 PM

What is it they say, divide and conquer? Wake up people. Hilary and Obama will galvanize the party. No one wants a divided house except the GOP. The primaries are over and, while Hilary may have had so many qualities that would have made her an excellent Madame President, she didn't win. No one 'stole' the primaries unlike a past election that comes to mind... What's amazing is that as a party we're ready to toss it all away rather than getting behind Obama. Think about it....change, hope and a possibility of correcting the gross failures of this past presidency vs sticking with the current failed vision of the GOP and really putting this country on the brink of collapse. I'm disgusted that we're either bashing Obama for his Veep choice, pretending (quite badly) that race isn't a factor (although, from many of the posts on this article, it's fair to say, race is a huge factor...what happens if McCain picks a strong African American as a VP? horrors of horrors...), or we're lamenting about what if's..what if Hilary had won the nomination? What if Obama chose Hilary as his VP? What if? Consider the only what if worth losing sleep over...what if we have a McCain White House? That's a nightmare I can't and won't imagine!

Posted by: Bella | August 24, 2008 5:23 PM

i am happy HRC was not chosen as VP for BHO.
Will stay home or vote fro McCain

Posted by: Zien106 | August 24, 2008 5:23 PM

Is Obama attempting to hid his Muslim leanings behind a Roman Catholic V.P. nominee? Don't fall for that, folks. He was raised in his youth in an almost all Muslim country, by his radical Islamic step father and his Muslim friends and his Muslim family (brothers, aunts, etc.). Obama is still full of cocaine.

Posted by: John Harrison | August 24, 2008 5:25 PM

Don't confuse narcissism with intellect, it is easiest to manipulate a narcissistic person, they are the weakest, psychologically, and intellectually, the LAST to understand what is truly happening around them.

For instance, I would say, in the end, Cheney and his group did themselves in due to their narcissism, and their inability to admit they are, perhaps, not invulnerable.


Already, Obama shows sings, like bush, of not wanting the job

Posted by: Mordant Cowboy
---------------

And yet once AGAIN, someone for the Repubs hints at Obama being like Bush, as opposed to McCain. This is apparently their way of saying, "Yeah, we know our guy's screwed up, but Obama'll be just like him, so we'll chose McCain, despite our not trusting him, just to keep Obama out." Disgusting.

Posted by: SAGG | August 24, 2008 5:27 PM

Hillarious hung on in the primaries until much later after it was clear she was not going to win because she wanted to tear apart the Democrats, so that Obama does not win this time. I was her supporter, but after I realized this, I started to hate her. I was not going to vote for Obama if he had picked Hillarious as the running mate. Good Jaab Barack Obama - you are da man.

Posted by: Yaani MakKaine | August 24, 2008 5:28 PM

So McCain the Adulterer picked another pea from his adulterer pod to deliver the GOP keynote. Doesn't he have bigger things to worry about, like writing his own speech? Or is he having his son--who won't have anything to do with him--write it for him? When Giuliani can manage to keep his own pants zipped up while he's away from his wife du jour, THEN he might be in a position to tell the Democratic nominee who he should have picked for his veep...the last I knew, Rude-y gave up his membership to the Democratic Party for Lent...or else he signed a deal with the devil to become a Repugnantcan.

By the way, don't forget McCain's long history of being a fraud, liar, and opportunist...which should disqualify him from ANY public office:

http://mccainkeatingfive.com/

Posted by: Dean | August 24, 2008 5:29 PM

The buffoons (aka all of Nobama supporters)are over the moon with Biden's selection.

While Biden is an otherwise affable man, he is primarily responsible for putting Clary Tom on the S Ct.

While Nobama is the master of race and sex cards, as he so vividly demonstrated in trashing HRC, he at least got one thing right at Saddlebrook - that Clary Tom has no place on the high ct.

Of course, that flies in the face of his biggest decision to date, namely selecting the man man responsible for putting Tom on the court, namely Joey Bidos.

SHame on Clary Tom, and shame on Bidos, and most of all, shame on Nobama.

HRC 2012

Posted by: intcamd1 | August 24, 2008 5:29 PM

A rebup nomination loser and we are to really embrace his opinion. Maybe he should reconsider and run for the dem ticket next time? What a waste of text.

Posted by: mjo757 | August 24, 2008 5:31 PM

TO JOHN; YOU TALK ABOUT ADULTERERS IN REFERRING TO THE FORMER NEW YORK CITY MAYOR. YOU DO NOT MENTION THE SENATOR FROM MASS. WHO HAS BEEN PUSHING OBAMA. HE IS WORSE THAN AN ADULTERER; HE KILLED A YOUNG LADY WHO HE WAS HAVING AN AFFAIR BY DRIVING OFF A BRIDGE WHILE DRUNK, THEN RUNNING AWAY, LEAVING HER TO DIE. AND THE POINT HERE IS THAT HE NEVER PAID FOR HIS HORRIBLE SIN. THE DEMOCRATS HAVE HAD SO MANY LEADERS WHO BROKE THEIR MARRIAGE VOWS; FRANKLIN ROOSEVELT, JOHN F. KENNEDY, LYNDON JOHNSON, GARY HART, JOHN EDWARDS...JUST TO NAME A FEW. ONE THING YOU NEED TO DO AT YOUR CONVENTION IS TEACH ALL THE MEN HOW TO KEEP THEIR PANTS ZIPPED.

Posted by: IAMWOMAN | August 24, 2008 5:31 PM

Once Michelle Obama didn't like Hillary, it was all over for Hillary.

Michelle and Barack's …….. ELITISM ……. (practice of or belief in rule by the elites) ……………. has turned this campaign from a "Cake-Walk" for the Dems to an Even-Money Race with the Old-Time Republicans !

Most people would not believe the Stupidity of the Dem Party.
Please thank Dean, Pelosi and the Obamas' Egoes !

What happened to "CHANGE" ?? Biden has been in Washington forever……… He Brings Nothing to the Ticket ……..

INDEPENDENT VOTERS will Once Again have Little Choice but to Vote Republican !

Posted by: jimmyjames | August 24, 2008 5:32 PM


intcamd1:
"his fist bumping heroine Michelle, proclaimed loudly and proudly that she would not support HRC if Hillary won the nomination."

Astute of you to pick up on why Obama bypassed Clinton...


Posted by: Billw | August 24, 2008 5:32 PM

"Joe Biden works in Washington but he doesn't live there," Gibbs responded.

Mr Gibbs, is this like the statement "I smoked it, but didn't inhale."

With a Communications Director like Gibbs, is it any wonder Obama reached down to the bottom of the barrel for his VEEP?

By the way, does anybody know how many votes Biden got in the primary?

The republicans should be smiling.

Posted by: Pixie | August 24, 2008 5:34 PM

"Colorado Gov Ritter has it right...Obama and Clinton supporters will definately come together next week, but only in the sense that they will be in the same building "together". The nomination was rigged, the media threw the nomination to Obama and this Hillary supporter will never vote for him."

Prove it, media doesn't dictate the nomination voters do...Hillary lost get over it...All this squabbling you cowards are doing over Hillary is doing nothing but hurting her own political career...She got over it, Now you should

Posted by: John | August 24, 2008 5:34 PM

Regardless of who he would have picked someone who have complained about it. And where has Giuliani been since he dropped out of the race, why are we considered with his opinion. Listen folks, if you haven't left your self indulged bubble lately, this country is heading into a downward spiral of bad morals, economics, and bad foreign and domestic policies. At the end of the day I don't think there are many people in this country who aren't ready for change, regardless which group it comes from. This country needs to start coming together for more than the summer olympics and maybe we could all get on the same page.

Posted by: Iluv2read | August 24, 2008 5:34 PM

How is what Rudy Gulianni thinks about anything at all, but particularly the democratic ticket, front page news? He doesn't even have credibility with Republicans - and that's about as low a bar as you'll find.

Posted by: Steve in LA | August 24, 2008 5:34 PM

PUMA stands for Party Unity My Ass.

Posted by: answers | August 24, 2008 5:34 PM

Once Michelle Obama didn't like Hillary, it was all over for Hillary.

Michelle and Barack's …….. ELITISM ……. (practice of or belief in rule by the elites) ……………. has turned this campaign from a "Cake-Walk" for the Dems to an Even-Money Race with the Old-Time Republicans !

Most people would not believe the Stupidity of the Dem Party.
Please thank Dean, Pelosi and the Obamas' Egoes !

What happened to "CHANGE" ?? Biden has been in Washington forever……… He Brings Nothing to the Ticket ……..

INDEPENDENT VOTERS will Once Again have Little Choice but to Vote Republican !

Posted by: jimmyjames | August 24, 2008 5:35 PM

What is Hilari's supporters complaining about? Obama won the primary fair and square. Hilary had advantage in the start and she blew it due to her arrogance. If Hialry suopporters don't want to vote for Obama or vote for Macain, go ahead. We will win without you. Get lost and stop whining. Americans know that a Macain win will push this country down the toilet. Nobody cares about Hilary and her hilarious attitude.

Posted by: Hilarious Klintonian | August 24, 2008 5:35 PM

Yes, to believe that all the Clinton supporters will be back Mr. Obama is living in fantasy land, which is where the DNC & Obama have been right along. The supporters of Hillary Clinton KNOW that this country needs someone that actually has EXPERIENCE and the TOUGHNESS it will take to move us out of the muck from the past 8 years. Mr. Obama is nothing but a repeat of GWB & his smoke & mirrors and NO EXPERIENCE. The media 8 years ago ALSO made GWB look like he knew something and was the chosen one. NOT very funny now!! People in this country will not be fooled three times, and with Mr. Obama it is so obvious. All you have to do is look for any record of ANYTHING that he has done. He has done NOTHING, just like GWB.

Posted by: librairie | August 24, 2008 5:36 PM


"Obama won the primary fair and square."

This is wrong. The media and Obama not being vetted until after the first 11 primaries cheated Clinton out of the nomination. Too bad.


Posted by: Billw | August 24, 2008 5:37 PM

Fooliuliani, Shut the H E L L up.

Posted by: 1-20-09 | August 24, 2008 5:38 PM

Peter, give it up on Huckabee.... The guy is a loser... He will definitely kill any Republican at taking the white house...

The guy is the weakest in the field of all candidates on the Economy and on the War on Terror.... He helps win Radical Baptist Country and that is it.... Obama would win 40 states to 10...

Romney is the best shot for McCain, believe it or don't...

Posted by: A Normal Evangelical | August 24, 2008 5:38 PM

I have yet to understand the logic of Democrats who supported Clinton now saying they will not vote for Obama. As Democrat who firmly believes this country has been on a dangerous path for the past eight years, this line of thinking mystifies me, disappoints me and frankly, scares the hell out of me. Out of anger, these people would rather see four more catastrophic years of Bush policy than vote for the candidate that beat their candidate of choice in the primaries. Even though I'm sure I agree with these people politically more than I do a committed, level-headed conservative Republican, I have less respect for them than I would that committed, level-headed conservative. I see these angry former Clinton supporters in about the same light as I would a raving, nonsensical, Fox News-type conservative. It's a shame Americans aren't more willing to think when making decisions about the future of our country.

Posted by: mrk | August 24, 2008 5:39 PM

Every successful ceo knows his/her strengths and non-strengths and has the intelligence to hire into strategic positions those who's strengths best contribute to the operation and success of the entire company. Well, Senator Obama has done just that in selecting Senator Biden as his Vice-President.

Posted by: polly | August 24, 2008 5:39 PM

What is Hilari's supporters complaining about? Obama won the primary fair and square. Hilary had advantage in the start and she blew it due to her arrogance. If Hialry suopporters don't want to vote for Obama or vote for Macain, go ahead. We will win without you. Get lost and stop whining. Americans know that a Macain win will push this country down the toilet. Nobody cares about Hilary and her hilarious attitude.

Posted by: Billy Boy | August 24, 2008 5:40 PM

Politics 101:

1. Several people run for their party's presidential nomination.

2. One wins, the rest lose and are referred to as "also rans". (By the way, the winner is selected by actual voters who go to the polls on election day and vote for them)

3. The winner gets to decide who they want on their ticket to work beside them, if elected, for the next four years. Past history runs the gamut of what happens. Sometimes they are "also rans", sometimes not.

NEWSFLASH: WINNER GETS TO CHOSE WHOMEVER THEY WANT WITH WHATEVER CRITERIA THEY WANT. THE PERKS OF WINNING!!!

END OF STORY!!!

Posted by: Tandeka | August 24, 2008 5:40 PM


HEADLINE - Giuliani Criticizes Obama

giuliani.. giuliani.. i know i've heard that name someplace..

oh, i remember... giulianis is that HAS-BEEN mayor from new york that used to enjoy politicizing the tragedy of 9/11 for his own personal gain..

ahhhh.. you are such an honest and noble man mister giuliani... may satan bless you and that wonderful replacement wife of yours..

it's also quite touching to see that you care so much about hillary clinton's feelings now.. i'm sure she will send you a nice 12 piece fruit basket this christmas.


Posted by: BOB | August 24, 2008 5:42 PM

One of the biggest mistakes the Nobama supporting fools (which means all his supporters) and his shameless pimping media pals make is to dismiss the resolve of HRC supporters to sit out or vote Mac.

And of course a whole bunch of Nobama pals dismiss HRC supporters on the internet as "trolls".

These fools must not be reading polls - the latest of which shows almost 1/2 of HRC supporters in the category these fools don't like to see.

The most notable thing about the WSJ poll is the increase in the category of HRC supporters not for Nobama. Even in early June, roughly 1/3 of HRC supporters were saying they would not support Nobama. Now that % is upto 50%. Very gratifying indeed.

I submit that a bunch of the other half of HRC supporters were waiting to see who Nobama would pick to be his VP. Now we know who it is, and given the details coming out on how shamefully the Nobamas treated the CLintons in this process, the % of HRC supporters against Nobama will firmly go above 50% when the next set of polls come out.

So, all this talk of unity finally at the Denver show is a sham. For a whole bunch of HRC supporters, there can be no unity, no common ground with the slimebags that form the core of Nobama fan base, who have proven to be vindictive animals.

Posted by: intcamd1 | August 24, 2008 5:42 PM

Who is this Giuliani guy and why is there a whole story on his opinion of the Biden selection? Tell me that ....

Posted by: heywally | August 24, 2008 5:42 PM

It's exciting to know that the Republicans love Hillary so much they are going to nominate her for their own ticket!

Posted by: Rick W | August 24, 2008 5:42 PM

The Republicans are mad because Obama didn't take the Rove bait. The talking points this week-end for Republicans--for all those who got on the air and dutifully mouthed the same theme--were designed to convince us that Clinton was slighted for not getting the number two slot. This after months of talk from Republican pundits that a Hillary nomination would be the only event that would energize the Republican base. Now that this 'event' could not be wheedled out of the public they are hoping to make a little lemonade out of their lemon of a strategy by playing on the resentments and hurts of Clinton's former supporters. Since when should any Democrat listen to a Republican for an analysis of current events? They should be cleaning their own house, minding their own business, and counceling McCain, not Democrats, Obama or Clinton supporters.

Posted by: lorell | August 24, 2008 5:43 PM

rudy's comments are ironic, to say the least.

Posted by: egalitaire | August 24, 2008 5:43 PM

I wish someone would please explain what Obama had to do with the Media being sexist against Hillary.

How can one hold a grudge against someone that did not cause the problem? If i can recall she was indecisive and ruined her own campaign and it was all blamed on sexism. Why not own up to under-estimating Obama since she so obviously could care less about him until Iowa????????

Posted by: John | August 24, 2008 5:43 PM

Rudy just wants to stir up the waters because he is sad not to have Hillary to bash around anymore. He has said more times than I can count how he wished nothing more than to go against Hillary in the election. Now he just wants to rile up Hillary's supporters to do what he can't do because he lost. He doesn't believe his own words. Can you imagine the field day he would have had trashing Hillary if Obama HAD named her as his running mate? The man makes me absolutely sick.

Posted by: loather of giuliani | August 24, 2008 5:44 PM

Socrates 3333...my suggestion would be to follow the original Socrates...take the pills....

Posted by: Gene Wilkins | August 24, 2008 5:44 PM

Macain has nothing to offer except his statement that he was POW for 5 and half year. I say he should be greatful to VietCong for giving him this effortless gift without asking for it. The feces-head Macain is good for nothing. Only thing he thinks he knows about is push the country into another war. His win will finish the ruination of this country. We americans will be beggin in the streets of China by 2011, by that time he will have his 17th house built.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 5:44 PM

IAMWOMAN wrote:

THE DEMOCRATS HAVE HAD SO MANY LEADERS WHO BROKE THEIR MARRIAGE VOWS; FRANKLIN ROOSEVELT, JOHN F. KENNEDY, LYNDON JOHNSON, GARY HART, JOHN EDWARDS...JUST TO NAME A FEW. ONE THING YOU NEED TO DO AT YOUR CONVENTION IS TEACH ALL THE MEN HOW TO KEEP THEIR PANTS ZIPPED.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
You forgot to mention John McCain who was off boinking Cindy while he was still married to his first wife.

Or is that too much reality for you to stomach?

Posted by: Cal | August 24, 2008 5:45 PM

Macain has nothing to offer except his statement that he was POW for 5 and half year. I say he should be greatful to VietCong for giving him this effortless gift without asking for it. The feces-head Macain is good for nothing. Only thing he thinks he knows about is push the country into another war. His win will finish the ruination of this country. We americans will be beggin in the streets of China by 2011, by that time he will have his 17th house built.

Posted by: Dumbya Butch | August 24, 2008 5:46 PM

I want to thank Mr Obamba for choosing Biden instead of Hillary. With gas prices so high, I think he knew Hillary supporters like me could now stay home and save the country some gas. Great way to promote conservation, Mr Obamba!!

Hell McCain!! You're looking a lot better.

Posted by: Pixie | August 24, 2008 5:46 PM

Too funny- Mr. noun-verb-9/11 is trying to stir things up with the Dems on behalf of Mr. noun-verb-POW.

Maybe Rudy feels deprived because he hasn't been able to get dressed up in women's clothing lately?

Posted by: LH | August 24, 2008 5:49 PM

I BEG OF ALL HILLARY SUPPORTERS TO GIVE A REASON WHY OBAMA CAUSED THIS!?!?!

IT WAS THE MEDIA, YOU KNOW FOX, THE STATION THAT CATERS TO REPUBLICANS!!!

SOMEONE PLEASE GIVE AN ANSWER!!!!!!!!

Also, I guess you wouldnt want someone that just got the Working Mother Media and Corporate Voices for Working Families Honor (Senator Biden with the Best of Congress Award)

To be your VP, and a Pro-Life Obama. You know... the guys that dont call hillary a b**ch and respect women...

Posted by: John | August 24, 2008 5:50 PM

"one thousand one"
"one thousand two"

(Counting the number of posters who are Republicans pretending to be Clinton supporters)

Posted by: marcus | August 24, 2008 5:50 PM

Earlier I said "Colorado Gov Ritter has it right...Obama and Clinton supporters will definately come together next week.

I'm sorry. I'm really drunk right now because I beleive Barack should have choosen Hillary. I meant to type "supportors".

Posted by: das | August 24, 2008 5:50 PM

Isn't it interesting that somebody who was in the race, but didn't even come close to winning thinks that his opinion actually means something? It's like when players in a sport have their teams knocked out of the playoffs then become guest analysts on TV for their sport during the same playoff season... Don't care what you have to say, if you knew so damn much, you'd still be playing.

If he was relevant, he'd be the nominee for his party. Giuliani should shut the f-ck up and crawl back under his rock.

Posted by: fbutler1 | August 24, 2008 5:51 PM

Who is Giuliani to tell us that Obama made a mistake in selecting Joe Biden. If I were him I would concentrate on his failed presidential bid due to his antagonistic style as mayor of NY.

As a registered Democrat, I feel offended that Giuliani will tell us who we should have selected to be on the ticket.

Giuliani should rather advice McCain to change from an attack dog and tell Americans what he brings to the table to help the country solve the rising oil prices, the Israel/Palestinian question, the two wars that US is fighting, the mortgage crisis, how to fix social security, healthcare, education, the broken American foreign policy, job loss and the rising prices food.

These are the issues confronting the country today. And that is what the 2008 elections is all about. Obama and Biden are two brains capable to solving the chaos that the Bush administration has left the country.

Posted by: Emmanuel Q | August 24, 2008 5:52 PM

But why not do something new- Miss Clinton can join Mister Mc Cain (alliances like that are very common in Europe)- it would be something completely new and good for the image of a deeply divided and lets put it straight economically a little bit troubled nacion -and both same mister Mc Cain as miss Clinton would prove flexibility and that they are politicians who are able to overcome party interests and it would be innovative- Mister Mc Cain would lose with a democratic lady like miss Clinton on his side who is a political and economical experienced diplomat his image of being to much military and harsh
And he is in deed still to much rushy and needs someone who smooves him down next to him otherwise I fear he has his hand to fast on the trigger. And this is the last thing the world needs.
I have sympathies for mister Obama- but with all ongoing trouble I cant get a picture out of my head- might he not react if it is coming eventially more unpleasant overstressed and be like a rabbit under the chief commander chair?- The men he choose next to him as vice-president - I don’t know him - Mister Obama declared him already as “next president”- mistake words ala Sigmund Freud??- Does he deeply and unadmited fear inside his possible future responsibilities?- Only his private shrink will know the answer - If he has one and I doubt that.
Anyhow internationally it does not look to nice- Trouble in Georgia, ongoing conflicts here and there and some idiots put corruption accused ex husband from killed miss Bhutto as presidential candidate in Pakistan- This proposal came surely from the same idiots who thought it might be a good idea to bring Miss Bhutto bag to her country of origin- the results we see also there- the fire is on here and there. And enemies are made were it can be still avoided.
But what I am telling- May be this at the end is even wanted by some alienated democracy opposed forces who have their feeds since a long time in all former healthy democracies – in all kinds of areas, assessment, economy and so on.
Anyhow- without U.S passport- good bless America- and if it goes in the near future much more wronger than it already does I wont watch TV any longer and contribute in this way against energy waste-and release myself from all kind of sarcastic comments

Posted by: christine schmidt | August 24, 2008 5:52 PM

To understand one's weakness, is a strength, I like Hillary also. There is what is called chemistry and Sen. Biden complements and compensates as well, Sen. Obama could not done have any better Mr. Giulliani, thank you for your critisicm, more you cricize it shows Obama is on the right path. Thank you.

Posted by: You See | August 24, 2008 5:52 PM

Obama picked the right person. Biden has all the positives associated with Hillary and none of the baggage. She's a smart person, no doubt. But she does have a penchant (deserved or not) for rubbing a lot of people the wrong way. And, she's a lightning rod for the right-wing crazies, some of whom would make it their business to vote against her while otherwise staying home next November. There's a reason why the likes of Limbaugh were advising Republicans to cross over and vote for Hillary. They were hoping McCain would face her - not Obama.

Posted by: abarafi | August 24, 2008 5:52 PM

to fbutler:

Funny, I thought your post was about Biden. Isn't he someone "...who was in the race, but didn't even come close to winning...?"

Posted by: Pixie | August 24, 2008 5:55 PM

This guy called John has to be kidding, with the claim that it was solely the media and not Nobama that used the race and sex cards on the CLintons.

As early as in SC, it was the Nobama campaign that gleefully used the race card on CLinton for his Jackson comment.

I guess Jesse is such a disgraced figure in the black community that to be compared to him is equivalent to using the N word?

And the timing! Knowing SC was 40% A-A, was masterful.

Then the comments on Bill, comparing him to Nixon. Note that Nobama did this multiple times; now of course, he is trying to make some feeble case that he will bring back the prosperity of 1990's. Until June he was trashing 1990s as if they were 1930s.

To somehow innocently claim that you did n't directly use sex card, when you were the primary beneficiary of such, and when it was all your beloved media pals to whom you were giving primo access, is baloney.

Nobama never said the sexism against CLinton was wrong. His main foreign policy advisor even called Cinton the b word. All his talk now of how historic her candidacy was, is sheer hypocrisy.

Posted by: intcamd1 | August 24, 2008 5:57 PM

Just another bottom of the barrel republican who rides on his daddies hard work. Fifth from the bottom. Quick McLame whats 2 + 2 ? Your dumb A S S will have to get back to us on that right?

McCain's grades were "marginal." He drew so many demerits for breaking curfew and other discipline issues that he graduated fifth from the bottom of the class of 1958.

Posted by: McLame | August 24, 2008 5:57 PM

subject,verb,9/11 has no creditability & legs to stand on.

Posted by: Giuliani, who? | August 24, 2008 5:57 PM

So the mainstream media has decided that Giuliani's an expert on campaign strategy? Is that because the wait-until-Florida strategy worked out so well for him?

Posted by: DoTheMath | August 24, 2008 5:59 PM

Politics 102

1. If you want to end an election and your chances to win, listen to someone who ran a one-state strategy in a presidential election that included 50 states and territories and whose claim to fame is being resurrected from the dust of his adulterous behavior by one of our countries worst tragedies.

2. If you want to win an election, do not chose a running mate that your opposition is salivating uncontrollably over, hoping (and some probably praying)you will select the one Democrat that has more power to excite their base into turning out to vote in November than any of them collectively with their rhetoric, including their own presumptive nominee who they elected!!

Posted by: Tandeka | August 24, 2008 6:00 PM

Honestly....does anybody really care what Giuliani thinks?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 6:00 PM

McCain has really painted himself into a corner when it comes to his VP, I guess he should of thought about that before releaseing a video questioning why Clinton wasnt on the ticket. McCain will be a Hipocrit if Huckabee isnt on the ticket now. I hope the DNC starts putting together the Hippocrit video as we speak. THe McCain camp is retarded. So John McCain pick Huckabee or suffer the rath of your own venom. http://www.mccanes.com

Posted by: John | August 24, 2008 6:00 PM

Excellent point, Marcus. Ah, the benefits of anonymity for folks with an agenda. I sure do hope you're right -- that all those who are claiming to be Clinton supporters are actually Republicans in disguise. That would explain the major problem with logic in their position on Obama.

Posted by: mrk | August 24, 2008 6:01 PM

so much GOP love for HRC, I got $10 bucks says Rush Limpguy shows some love for her soon too!

Posted by: THE curious black | August 24, 2008 6:02 PM

John McCain:
Unfit to serve as Commander-In-Chief
The spoiled son of military privilege got a free ride throughout his military career despite repeated instances of sex scandals and screw-ups

By Ted Sampley
U.S. Veteran Dispatch
January 27, 2008

John Sidney McCain III entered the United States Naval Academy at Annapolis, Maryland in 1954. Young McCain wanted to become an admiral. He planned to be the "first son and grandson of four star admirals" to achieve such a distinction. But that was not to be. McCain III possessed none of the innate character and discipline traits that helped mold his father and grandfather into great military leaders.

His father, John S. "Junior" McCain, and grandfather, John S. McCain, Sr., were famous four-star Admirals in the U.S. Navy. His father commanded U.S. forces in Europe before becoming commander of American forces fighting in Vietnam. His grandfather commanded naval aviation at the Battle of Okinawa in 1945. Both men became highly influential in U.S. Navy operations.

At the Academy, aside being known as a "rowdy, raunchy, underachiever" who resented authority, Midshipman McCain became infamous as a leader among his fellow midshipmen for organizing "off-Yard activities" and hard drinking parties. Robert Timberg wrote in his book, The Nightingale's Song, that "being on liberty with John McCain was like being in a train wreck."

McCain's grades were "marginal." He drew so many demerits for breaking curfew and other discipline issues that he graduated fifth from the bottom of the class of 1958. Despite his low "class standing," and no doubt because of the influence of his family of famous Admirals, McCain was leap-frogged ahead of more qualified applicants and granted a coveted slot to be trained as a navy pilot.

Good Party Animal - Bad Pilot:

He spent the next two and a half years as a "naval aviator in training" at Naval Air Station Pensacola in Florida and Naval Air Station Corpus Christi in Texas, flying A-1 Skyraiders.

While a pilot trainee, McCain continued to party hard. He drove a Corvette and dated an exotic dancer named "Marie the Flame of Florida." Timberg wrote that McCain "learned to fly at Pensacola, though his performance was below par, at best good enough to get by. He liked flying, but didn't love it."

McCain Lost Five Military Aircraft

McCain, the "below par" pilot, eventually lost 5 military aircraft, the first during a training flight in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay while trying to land. The Navy ignored the crash and graduated McCain in 1960.

While deployed in the Mediterranean, the hard partying McCain lost a second aircraft. Timberg described the crash: "Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula, he took out some power lines which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the son of an admiral."

Unscathed, McCain returned to Pensacola Station where he was promoted to flight instructor for Naval Air Station Meridian in Mississippi. The airfield at Meridian, McCain Field, was named in honor of McCain's grandfather.

In 1964 McCain became involved with Carol Shepp, a model from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, he had met at Annapolis. They were married in Philadelphia on July 3, 1965.

Flight instructor McCain lost a third aircraft while flying a Navy trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game. Timberg wrote that McCain radioed, "I've got a flameout" before ejecting at one thousand feet. McCain parachuted onto a beach moments before his plane slammed into a clump of trees.

The Navy dismissed the crash as "unavoidable" and assigned McCain to the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal in December 1966, which was patrolling the Mediterranean Sea and Atlantic Ocean. In Spring 1967, the Forrestal was assigned to join the Operation Rolling Thunder bombing campaign against North Vietnam.

McCain lost his fourth plane on board the Forrestal on July 29, 1967 when a rocket inadvertently slammed into his bomb laden jet. McCain escaped, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors. McCain was transferred from the badly damaged Forrestal to the USS Oriskany. Shortly afterwards, on Oct. 26, 1967, he was shot down and captured by the Vietnamese.

Post-POW Years: Political Ambition and a New, Young, Rich Wife

Upon his release from North Vietnam and return to the United States in 1973, McCain reunited with his wife, Carol, who had been permanently crippled in a car accident while he was a POW.

Still yearning to become an admiral, McCain enrolled in the National War College at Fort McNair in Washington, D.C. and underwent physical therapy in order to fly again. The Navy excused his permanent disabilities and reinstated him to flight status, effectively positioning him for promotion.

Timberg described McCain's advancement: "in the fall of 1974, McCain was transferred to Jacksonville as the executive officer of Replacement Air Group 174, the long-sought flying billet at last a reality. A few months later, he assumed command of the RAG, which trained pilots and crews for carrier deployments. The assignment was controversial, some calling it favoritism, a sop to the famous son of a famous father and grandfather, since he had not first commanded a squadron, the usual career path."

While Executive Officer and later as Squadron Commander McCain used his authority to arrange frequent flights that allowed him to carouse with subordinates and "engage in extra-marital affairs."

This was a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice rules against adultery and fraternization with subordinates. But, as with all his other past behaviors, McCain was never penalized; instead he always got away with his transgressions.

Timberg wrote, "Off duty, usually on routine cross-country flights to Yuma and El Centro, John started carousing and running around with women. To make matters worse, some of the women with whom he was linked by rumor were subordinates . . . At the time the rumors were so widespread that, true or not, they became part of McCain's persona, impossible not to take note of."

In early 1977, Admiral Jim Holloway, Chief of Naval Operations promoted McCain to captain and transferred him from his command position "to Washington as the number-two man in the Navy's Senate liaison office. McCain was promptly given total control of the office. It wasn't long before the "fun loving and irreverent" McCain had turned the liaison office into a "late-afternoon gathering spot where senators and staffers, usually from the Armed Services and Foreign Relations committees, would drop in for a drink and the chance to unwind."

In 1979, while attending a military reception in Hawaii, McCain met and fell in love with Cindy Lou Hensley, 17 years his junior, who was the daughter of James W. Hensley, a wealthy Anheuser-Busch distributor from Phoenix, Arizona. McCain filed for and obtained an uncontested divorce from his wife in Florida on April 2, 1980 and promptly married Cindy on May 17, 1980.

He resigned from the Navy in 1981 and went to work for his father-in-law in Phoenix; where he used the opportunity to make powerful and wealthy friends in Arizona including banker Charles Keating and Duke Tully, the editor-in-chief of the Arizona Republic. Keating was later convicted of fraud, racketeering, and conspiracy and Tully was disgraced for concocting a phony military record of combat in Korea and Vietnam including medals for heroism.


Posted by: Why Us. | August 24, 2008 6:03 PM

I take exception to the notion that the primary was rigged for Obama to win.All I could hear from the media before votes were casted was that Hillory was the presumptive nominee of her party.It is understandible that Das who, wrote this wrote this moronic entry ,will not provide a full name.

Posted by: joseph marcucilli | August 24, 2008 6:05 PM

Why are Girliani's brains so fermented?

Former DINO Clinton supporters who vote for McSame are in the closet Republicans.

Except for the upper 1%, the rest are unaware, reactionary, fearful, exploited sheeple. They are enabling the continuation of the worst administration ever.

Why don't Republicans love and protect the Constitution?

Why are they so afraid that they would give up their rights for the promise of security and end up with neither?

McSame/Cheney 2008
More of the McSame
Get used to it, OR ELSE!

Posted by: KEVIN SCHMIDT | August 24, 2008 6:05 PM

MRK & MARCUS,

I wish that was the truth about the republican trolls pretending to be Hill supporters.

Too bad they are probably those PUMA nuts that would drive any man insane to the point where they would commit suicide or divorce.

++++++++++++++++++

And being the beneficiary of FOX saying some sexist stuff, doesnt make you the one that said it. You know people were sexist the same they were racist. Its the same ballgame.

Maybe Bill shouldnt have tried to undermine Obama's victory by claiming JJ won that state too. He screwed up. BTW thats racism, not sexism.

STICK TO THE TOPIC! SEXISM!

Posted by: John | August 24, 2008 6:07 PM

LOL!!! Rolling on the floor.....LOL!!! Rudy been sleeping with a dictionary?? Someone been coaching him on how to construct sentences?? He get that a "Fancy Dress" party!!? LOL...

WHAT AN IDIOT...he should be helping Chimpy clear brush at the pig farm!! LOL...LOL....

Posted by: RB-Chicago | August 24, 2008 6:08 PM

Only the Republicans and their propaganda arm, Fox Noise, are propogating the Hillary revolt. The actual number of former Hillary supporters that will enable McSame to complete Bush's 3rd term is minimal.I am a Democratic activist and here in rural North Carolina we opened the Obama HQ in our small town on Friday. We have TWO full-time paid Obama staffers. The local Democrats were out in force including former Hillary supporters LIKE ME. The Democratic mayor of our 12,000 citizen town cut the ribbon at Obama HQ. 18 year old kids from the High School, College kids in their 20s and old Democratic war-horses seemed pumped up and ready. "Big Mo" is with us. We took a sraw poll and EVERYONE knew how many houses they own.

Posted by: willandjansdad | August 24, 2008 6:08 PM

It's a real hoot to see how the formerly despised and derided Hillary Clinton suddenly has so many Republican fans.
And the cry arises from the party of record deficits, multiple wars, and national economic breakdown, "He should have chosen Hillary!!"
Give me a break.
The Republicans should worry about their own failed policies and their mess of a Presidential candidate.

Posted by: SamBrown | August 24, 2008 6:08 PM

Obama says Thomas is the one he would not have appointed. How he squares that with the supporting Oscar that Biden won in seeing Thomas move onto the high court is beyond me.

Not that that is the only contradiction in Obama’s VP selection. He also said he was for change, and that his stance against the war (at a time when he had no skin the game of course) was proof of his judgement; how these square with the Biden choice, an insider of 36 years, and a vociferous war supporter till last year are also puzzles that apparently do not trouble the distinguished two-year senator.

Posted by: intcamd1 | August 24, 2008 6:10 PM

Obamanation and hair-plugs for jerks, man it's going to be a "radical" convention, especially for all you losers who can't wake up without a bonghit!

Posted by: Toxic Avenger | August 24, 2008 6:10 PM

Hahahaha! What a joke. We're supposed to care what class clown Giuliani says the Democrats should do? Uh huh, I'm sure he has a sincere concern for the opposing party, and of course for Senator Clinton.

What's amazing is the number of Republicans who suddenly have this exact same concern--and how many article they're suddenly getting written about themselves. Has the propaganda always been this transparent? Or am I just getting old?

Posted by: Sportin' Life | August 24, 2008 6:11 PM

I can't wait until the press asks the Messiah why he is more qualified to be POTUS than Biden. His answer will sound alot like this:"Uh.....duh....well..uh.......it's above my pay grade". Can you liberal losers say "Buyers Remorse"?

Posted by: NOOBAMA! | August 24, 2008 6:13 PM

I'm so sick and tired of hearing about Clinton supporters not getting behind Obama.

If they really supported her policies then they will support Obama, if they were supporting her because she is a woman then maybe they won't support Obama.

She lost get over it.

Who cares what Guiliana has to say. He was on his way to being run out of NY and his only claim to fame now is September 11th.

Posted by: Clinton Supporters | August 24, 2008 6:14 PM

To willandjansdad:

you said "The actual number of former Hillary supporters that will enable McSame to complete Bush's 3rd term is minimal."

My friend, does it matter if the actual number is "minimal" like you posted or whether it's huge? If you are stating he will win, then being close doesn't count.

Posted by: Pixie | August 24, 2008 6:15 PM

God bless you, willandjansdad. I know in my heart you're telling the truth, fellow Carolinian!

Posted by: mrk | August 24, 2008 6:15 PM

Of course he made the pick out of weakness. Why would you pick someone who does not shore up your weakness? Guiliani is a moron and it did not take long for the American people to see that.

Additionally, remember what Obama said? His primary concern was integrity. Despite her considerable skills, Hilary does not have integrity. She is a liar, a manipulator, and has poor character. It is a shame that such a brilliant person as her continuously shows an ugly side. Few are as gifted as her.

Obama continues to show good wisdom. Biden, despite his huge mouth, will serve him well.

Posted by: noname | August 24, 2008 6:16 PM

Giuliani knows how pick 'em.

Remember his pick (and recommendation to Bush) for Secretary of Homeland Security?

None other than his very close friend, the indicted ex-bankrupt Bernie Kerik (currently facing 16 counts including conspiracy, tax fraud and making false statements).

BTW, the US Attorney-General's son, Marc Mukasey, now works for Giuliani's law firm.

It's a small, corrupt world when your name is Giuliani.

Posted by: pali2500 | August 24, 2008 6:16 PM

The McCain campaign and other assorted Republicans are doing their job. They're pointing out yet more of their opponents flaws and weaknesses to American voters. Obama the fraud's apparent inability to get over his bruised ego concerning a fellow candidate who can claim many millions of supporters, and his easily discarded "change" mantra, in the name of political expediency, are clearly signs of a weak, narcissistic character. Every choice he makes highlights his unfitness to be president. I'm delighted he chose an old, white, corrupt D. C. politician. Where's the "change" from "same old" now? Sure he can pick who he wants, but voters should expect him to show some judgment in his choices. Unfortunately, he can't show what he doesn't have.

Posted by: Griffin | August 24, 2008 6:17 PM

Commutes to Washingtom from Delaware each day??? Talk about a carbon footprint. Although I bet he's got the platinum level on Amtrak's frequent traveler program.

Posted by: K.P. | August 24, 2008 6:18 PM

To all of the (supposed) Clinton supporters who say they are voting Republican this election season: Good luck. If you lose this for Democrats, the values that both Obama and Clinton supported (their views were relatively similar) that could make your lives better will ultimately turned over to 4 more years of roughly the same we have seen the past 8 years. Truly think about what you have to lose versus what you can gain. It is quite childish, in fact, to suggest that because "MY canididate" didn't get the nomination nod, I'm going to vote for the opposition! This isn't some football game where you root for the team playing playing against the team that beat yours; I hate to use a fear tactic, but I truly think we have a lot to lose with 4 more years of the current lot of republicans. Show them that we can rise above the filth, dirty politics, and wedge issues and vote for issues that will have a direct impact on our lives.

Posted by: NCVoter | August 24, 2008 6:18 PM

Perhaps we all could be surprised. How about Powell for Sec. of State under Obama?

Posted by: bob | August 24, 2008 6:24 PM

Giuliani is an idiot. He rails on Biden when Biden & McCain are almost clones of each other. Two left leaning loose cannons with the mental agility of a small soap dish.
And both are dedicated to licking the boots of their zionist masters.

Posted by: DWayne | August 24, 2008 6:24 PM

"Show them that we can rise above the filth, dirty politics, and wedge issues?" My God, Obama wallows in those things. Do you people listen to the news? Can you people read? Can you observe a man's behavior and acts, versus his prepared speeches and teleprompted responses? How deluded are you Obama worshipers? None of you seem to be able to see him as he is, only as you desperately want him to be. I'll take a moderate Republican like McCain any day over that dangerous, weak fraud. I would gladly have voted for Clinton, but I'll probably never vote Democratic again after this debacle.

Posted by: Griffin | August 24, 2008 6:25 PM

We Clinton supports have every right to vote republican this year if we choose to do so. What values does Obamba stand for? Does anybody know?

This issue goes beyond being angry about "my candidate didn't get the nomination." Personally, I just can't stomach a guy like Obamba with absolutely zero experience and no character being my party's nominee. As Bill said, "give me a break!"

Posted by: Pixie | August 24, 2008 6:26 PM

Moderate? McCain? You're living in the year 2000.

Posted by: mrk | August 24, 2008 6:27 PM

McCain a MODERATE!!!!

YOU MY FRIEND HAVE BEEN DRINKIN THE FOX NEWS KOOL-AID (Hunch Punch with DIESEL 190 proof)

Posted by: John | August 24, 2008 6:27 PM


In what fantasy world do blue collar workers trust a lawyer/politician whose father was a used car salesman to run their country?

Posted by: nofluer | August 24, 2008 6:27 PM

Literally, I am floored and have sunken feelings about this ticket too with Joe Biden. And his dealing,lobbying brotha and baby boy in the WAPO today did not sit well and really smells bad.

I knew this dude JOE was a celebrated Ho, but I gotta vote for Barack Obama and Joseph Biden because frankly, they will assert true obedience to the people MOST of the time in the WHITE HOUSE.

Now, who in the world will Johnny Mac
Choose to run and cheat for the VP Sac?

Posted by: blackfrom soufeast dc | August 24, 2008 6:27 PM

Mr mccain et al,
i have a message for you from a mr. wonder:
"We are amazed but not amused
By all the things you say that you'll do
Though much concerned but not involved
With decisions that are made by you

But we are sick and tired of hearing your song
Telling how you are gonna change right from wrong
'Cause if you really want to hear our views
"You haven't done nothing"! "
WOW! he really saw your party coming.

Posted by: THE curious black | August 24, 2008 6:28 PM

!!!EVERYONE STOP WHERE YOU ARE!!!!

MCCAIN WAS A POW, YOU CANT TALK BAD ABOUT HIM OR YOU WILL GET AIDS! ITS TRUE! FOX TOLD ME SO!

Posted by: John | August 24, 2008 6:30 PM


OFF-BONKING

"John McCain who was off boinking Cindy"

Hey... McCain spent 5 years in torture for his country, he deserved a little extra nookie. Besides you don't know, maybe his wife off-bonked while he was all tied up.....


Posted by: Jack The Ripper | August 24, 2008 6:30 PM

Obviously the Republicans are worried - they don't argue the strength of McCain's platform - rather they lower themselves to side with Hillary Clinton in arguing against Obama's VP choice.

Pitiful.

And I'm a Republican!

Posted by: mike | August 24, 2008 6:31 PM

These are definitely the words of a veiled conservative Republican:

"We Clinton supports have every right to vote republican this year if we choose to do so... Personally, I just can't stomach a guy like Obamba with absolutely zero experience and no character being my party's nominee."

Nobody from the party of Kennedy would say such scripted nonsense.

Posted by: mrk | August 24, 2008 6:31 PM

"Mammas don't let your babies grow up to be liberals, cos they'll never leave home and they are always stoned, and spending your hard earned cash"!

Posted by: Toxic Avenger | August 24, 2008 6:32 PM

"It is interesting that Obama would pick an older rich white male who has spent most of his adult life as a Senator," James T.

No James T,

what is interesting, is that you and the rest of your Rethuglican trolls are not capable of telling the truth about any issue.

Senator Biden is known as "the poorest Senator" in Washington D.C.

He has a negative net worth of $300,000.

Citizen McCain, on the other hand, has a sugar momma worth close to $600,000,000.

Joe Biden doesn't even own his one home outright. McNasty doesn't even know about the many houses Mama owns. (10)

Rudy needs to stop worrying about who the Democrats pick, and start worrying about getting himself a lobotomy. He and McCain both have definite anti-social and repressed rage issues.

Not this time. " My Friend."

Posted by: Helen Douglas | August 24, 2008 6:33 PM

Rudolp Giulian is the last person that should be second-guessing Obama's choice. Giuliani ran the worst possible cambaign earlier this year, perhaps with the exception of Fred Thompson's non-campaign, and used the same lame approach "9/11,9/11,9/11" as McFool POW,POW,POW.

Posted by: Mike S. | August 24, 2008 6:33 PM

Rudolp Giuliani is the last person that should be second-guessing Obama's choice. Giuliani ran the worst possible campaign earlier this year, perhaps with the exception of Fred Thompson's non-campaign, and used the same lame approach "9/11,9/11,9/11" as McFool POW,POW,POW.

Posted by: Mike S. | August 24, 2008 6:34 PM

The story has little to do with the title.

Instead it is a presentation of the Obama campaingn's view why Biden is the right man for the job!

It is all about Obama....again/

Posted by: anotherview | August 24, 2008 6:34 PM

Obamma made a tactical mistake. Biden is solid, but Obamma's boat is leaking on all sides. He needed Hillary. She is an attack dog and he could move the momentum to him in swing states. He'll spend the next three months trying to sell Hillary's people on himself. It won't happen. He'll lose a couple of states he should win. His hubris will be his downfall and he won't have a second chance to run.

Posted by: John P | August 24, 2008 6:34 PM

Ah, now the comments are sinking to the level familiar to Obama worshipers-crude insults and pathetic attempts at sarcastic humor. At least Obama worshipers are consistent.

Posted by: Griffin | August 24, 2008 6:35 PM

No, Jack the Ripper, McCain's ex-wife, who was involved in a serious accident, waited for him the entire time he was in captivity -- only to have him come back to a star's reception. That's when he went off and got, as you say, his deserved "nookie."

Posted by: mrk | August 24, 2008 6:36 PM

McCain has 7 Houses? We really don't know him yet? I do like Joe Biden's comment on McCain's seven houses. Joe sounded more in tune with us then Giuliani. Obama has a great running mate in Biden.

Posted by: Franklin | August 24, 2008 6:36 PM

so the sore loser with the whining son (see "Duke student sues golf team because he got cut" article) wants to stir up the pot?

Give me a break.

Why don't we fire up the Family Values topic again with Giuliani and McCain?

How about the Corruption angle?
Keating 5 and Bernard Kerik?

Posted by: vp | August 24, 2008 6:38 PM

"Me too"-Giuliani chimes in on McCain's attack ad. Too late, boys, if you are trying to split the Dems on the night before the convention. Hillary just decided to release all her delegates for the sake of unity. So there is Hillary's answer to your attempt to create a split.

Posted by: bodo | August 24, 2008 6:38 PM

I totally agree with John P. Not choosing Hillary was a monumental mistake for Obamba. To ignore the person who got as many votes as he did is plain stupid. His campaigning will be wasted trying to win back Hillary supporters like me. It ain't gonna happen.

I don't believe Obamba's boat is leaking. I think it's already sunk!

Posted by: Pixie | August 24, 2008 6:39 PM

It is time the new generation needs to take control of this country. The baby boomers have not done anything worthwhile for this country and they should just retire into oblivion. It is time for all young people to step up and get rid of these parasites forever. Go Obama!! you will humiliate the old fart in Nov

Posted by: JasonC | August 24, 2008 6:39 PM

Rudy, just a looser, anything he said, will mean nothing, Rudy go find another wife to add to your collection...

Posted by: Levario | August 24, 2008 6:41 PM

mrk... I'm tellin' you man... you never know. I can testify to that...

Posted by: Jack The Ripper | August 24, 2008 6:41 PM

Perhaps Obama should have picked Clinton as his vice president. Perhaps you, Giuliani, should have had more input in picking the pathetic excuse you currently have for president.

Posted by: Hootathought | August 24, 2008 6:41 PM

Hey Franklin, in 04' were you whinning about Kerry's surgar mamma or the number of houses he and his wife owned? No matter how you ingrates try to spin it, Obama picked someone more qualified than him, and Biden has zero qualifications, unless you want to count hair restoration as a success story. Face it, you boy Obama is dropping in the polls the more he shows up and demonstrates that he is just your typical anti-american liberal. He makes Nancy Pelosi look like a proud american, and that's hard to do. Hope you enjoy your prozac, you're really going to need to up your dose in November. lol

Posted by: Speed Racer | August 24, 2008 6:42 PM

Only the republican Post would care what the adulterer Gulliani says.

Posted by: vidal | August 24, 2008 6:42 PM

All you voters who will vote for progessive left wing liberal Obama will be signing your death wish. Barack Obama will open up our U.S. borders and let Central-South America, Mexico, and Dominican Republic citizens flow into our country and bring all their many family members. Illegal alien Hispanic women are having babies like jack rabbits and populating our neighborhoods and country by the thousands. Obama and McCain will give all illegal aliens amnesty and citizenship in our country, including dangerous Salvadoran gangs like MS-13, STC (Street Thug Criminals), and Vatos Locos. Once Central Americans/Mexicans are the dominate group in this country, they will start killing black and white citizens or send them to Europe and Africa. Pay attention people, your enemies are all around you smiling pretending to be your friends, but they are waiting to over throw our country and make it the United States of Spanish Speaking America.


Posted by: Ward 4 D.C. Democrat | August 24, 2008 6:44 PM

Yeah, Obama should take more queues from Giuliani, on account of Giuliani's own campaign being such a model of perfection.

Posted by: Steve | August 24, 2008 6:44 PM

Bill Clinton is truly the biggest celebrity in the world and Obama should've chosen his wife Hillary to be his VP. In truth he should've chosen Chuck Hagel but the democrats probably would've flipped-out. To govern you first have to win. It is going to be difficult for Obama to circumnavigate all of the latent racism in America. People who say they'll vote for him won't and those that say they're undecided decided a long time ago. Obama is fighting a number of different opponents in this election. And I no supporter of HIllary, I'm an independent who thinks that McCain doesn't have a clue. McCain's running mate will be Mitt Romney. They floated the Tom Ridge ballon two weeks ago and it came back in tatters. Romney, a founder of Bain Capital, will match up very well with Biden.

Beltway Greg

Posted by: Beltway Greg | August 24, 2008 6:46 PM

Gee, really? The Republicans are going to criticize? You gotta be kidding? Now there is a real story WaPo.

Do they have anything positive to say on their own behalf, other than bluster? Not particularly.

Of course they will find "fault". They have no other choice.

Posted by: michael4 | August 24, 2008 6:48 PM

As I see this election, we the voters have two choices: 1)McCain, whose words and record do not reflect any awareness of middle America's economic distress, and is unlikely to help those of us who are only a few paychecks away from losing our homes, or make any open minded nominations to the Supreme Court; or 2) Obama, whose has disappointed many of us with his changes, but is much more likely to actually acknowledge and work for the betterment of those of us whose lives have been damaged by the current criminals in the White House. As for giving any credence to Rudy's comments and the ridiculous idea of a liberal of any kind voting for McCain; are you freaking nuts??!!

Posted by: Middleaged whitefemale | August 24, 2008 6:49 PM

Biden must not be very smart if he finished at the bottom of his law school class.

Posted by: John | August 24, 2008 6:51 PM

I said this back during the primaries and I'll say it again now: Why are the Republicans so hell-bent on having Hillary on the ticket? Can any of you who have bad-mouthed the Biden pick answer that truthfully. Would the repubs want Democrats to pick their candidate? If so, who would the Dems want as president and now vp candidates. Would they want to run against a strong team or a loser pair? repubs wanted Hillary so bad they hurt themselves trying to get her the nomination. WHY? Because they couldn't wait to blow her out of the water! She got 50% of the Dem vote. How much of the repub and indy votes would she get? Practically zero, which is why, I'll say it slowly, the repubs want Hillary! I can't beleive you would all be that stupid, but I might be mistaken. The repubs ahte Obama because he doesn't have 16 years of Bill Clinton baggage.
As for Condi Rice on the ticket, great. What a poor candidate she'd be. Was she against the Iraq war? Hardly. Wasn't she the one who testified they never believed Al-quaida would use planes against us, even after the security memo bush ignored. Wasn't she national security chief and 9/11 happened on her watch? She's supposed to be a hotshot Russian expert. So why didn't she see Georgia coming? Why didn't she see putin turning Russia into the old USSR? Goes to prove that a boatload of experience means diddly. Go Obama-Biden.

Posted by: mike l | August 24, 2008 6:52 PM

"the comments are sinking to the level familiar to Obama worshipers"

Obama breaks wind and snores, note.

Posted by: Jack The Ripper | August 24, 2008 6:53 PM

Biden must not be very smart if he finished at the bottom of his law school class.
Posted by: John | August 24, 2008 6:51 PM

mccain must not be very smart if he finished fifth from the bottom of his Naval Academy class.

Posted by: mike lawler | August 24, 2008 6:54 PM

Here is the deal...Since McCain cannot articulate his views and apparently cannot remember basic information, his minions, i.e. rove, reid, gulliani, hannity, limbo, et.al. will continue to demonize Obama. They will shut down Mccain from most interviews (without a teleprompter) because they know he has no clue and will continue to try to derail what the election is really about...the gutting of most institutions such healthcare, infrastructure, housing, environment, etc, etc, etc.

Posted by: treez57 | August 24, 2008 6:54 PM

Gee, really? The Republicans are going to criticize? You gotta be kidding? Now there is a real story WaPo.

Do they have anything positive to say on their own behalf, other than bluster? Not particularly.

Of course they will find "fault". They have no other choice.

Posted by: michael4 | August 24, 2008 6:54 PM

Obama - Biden do not sound good together.
Sounds like Osama BIn LaDEN. Not they are terrorists... just sounds bad when you put those names together.

Posted by: Jay S. | August 24, 2008 6:55 PM

JamesT...what planet are you from?

You get the prize for the stupidest, most inaccurate comments for the last 10 minutes. lmao

Posted by: michael4 | August 24, 2008 6:57 PM

All you voters who will vote for progessive left wing liberal Obama will be signing your death wish. Barack Obama will open up our U.S. borders and let Central-South America, Mexico, and Dominican Republic citizens flow into our country and bring all their many family members. Illegal alien Hispanic women are having babies like jack rabbits and populating our neighborhoods and country by the thousands. Obama and McCain will give all illegal aliens amnesty and citizenship in our country, including dangerous Salvadoran gangs like MS-13, STC (Street Thug Criminals), and Vatos Locos. Once Central Americans/Mexicans are the dominate group in this country, they will start killing black and white citizens or send them to Europe and Africa. Pay attention people, your enemies are all around you smiling pretending to be your friends, but they are waiting to over throw our country and make it the United States of Spanish Speaking America.
-------------------------------------------
is this how we spell bigotry or republican?

Posted by: THE curious black | August 24, 2008 7:01 PM

The wisdom of man is foolishness to God.

Ten billion american tax dollars pissed away in iraq each month while our infrastructure crumbles. Just read today's news on shipment of wheat, our railways, shipping, roads so ignored it is a major problem. One in every four bridges in America needs replacing.

Economist say if the iraq war ended today it will still cost american tax payers 3 to 5 trillion dollars!

Iraq never threatend our way of life. Iraq war was needless selfish by bush and via the ignorance of the american people.

Posted by: geraldine | August 24, 2008 7:01 PM

"WE ARE SCREWED 08"

Posted by: Kyle | August 24, 2008 7:01 PM

to mike I:

you say "The repubs ahte Obama because he doesn't have 16 years of Bill Clinton baggage."

It's one thing to have no baggage. It's another to have no clothes. Obamba is as empty as the space between his ears. Down deep, he is afraid of winning.

If, as all these Obamba supporters claim, he is such a great candidate, why would he pass up someone for VEEP that would have assured a huge victory for democrats in November??

Obamba is so enthralled with himself that he feels he can choose the person that got the fewest votes in the Democratic primaries and cruise to victory. Yeah, sure!

Hillary in 2012!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 7:02 PM


Bush was so inexperienced he needed a guide. An old man. Obama is so inexperienced he needs a guide. An old man.

Why not go directly to the old man and elect McCain.

Makes sense to me.

Posted by: Chief | August 24, 2008 7:03 PM

"Iraq war was needless selfish by bush"
Bush the idiot. Americas disgrace.

Posted by: Jack The Ripper | August 24, 2008 7:04 PM

Why would the Post headline this story with Guiliani's opinion? His thoughts are dustbin material, not front page WP worthy.

Posted by: AN | August 24, 2008 7:04 PM

For God sakes don't through me in the brier patch Mr Fox!

Posted by: marc | August 24, 2008 7:04 PM

Since when are Republicans consulted regarding the wisdom of the Dems' VP choice? Get over it guys--you can't wish Hillary onto the ticket.

Posted by: Dave | August 24, 2008 7:08 PM

Don't confuse narcissism with intellect, it is easiest to manipulate a narcissistic person, they are the weakest, psychologically, and intellectually, the LAST to understand what is truly happening around them.

For instance, I would say, in the end, Cheney and his group did themselves in due to their narcissism, and their inability to admit they are, perhaps, not invulnerable.


Already, Obama shows sings, like bush, of not wanting the job

Posted by: Mordant Cowboy | August 24, 2008 2:14 PM
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The hallmark of a narcissist isn't their inability to admit their "vulnerablity", it's their inability to admit their imperfection.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 7:08 PM


This Hillary supporter is not going to vote for Obama.

Obama is likely the greatest con man of the last 100 years, and he is a great cult developer, but he is not ready to be president. He has a fluff resume and has spend all his time in the US Senate preparing for and running for president. He has no record of accomplishments.

I am going to vote for Democrats to Congress to give Democrats veto proof majorities. If President McCain wants to get anything done, he'll have to work with Congress. We'll have true checks and balances.

Posted by: William | August 24, 2008 7:10 PM

It is hilarious, or should I say "Hillary-ous," to watch these Republicans falling all over themselves to praise Hillary Clinton right now - hoping to divide the Democrats and trick some sleepy voters.

When Hillary Clinton was the front-runner for the Democratic nomination, they couldn't wait to find excuses to insult her. Giuliani roughed her up repeatedly before GOP audiences, mocking her plans for health care, calling it Hillary-care and so on. And who can forget the time when a supporter asked John McCain on camera, "How do we beat the b*tch?" McCain laughed, and then went into his strategy for defeating Senator Clinton.

Now these slimy politicians can't say enough nice things about her and how much they respect her. These Republicans will say and do ANYTHING to win. This year, their lying schemes won't work.

Posted by: Chuck | August 24, 2008 7:11 PM

When did the key words of a great orator become "ah, er, oh, uh," Obama's most pronounced words.

Obamanism-(Obamanism is like Bushisms e-lite)

"We live in the greatest country in the world, join me and help me change it."

Not me.

Posted by: Chief | August 24, 2008 7:12 PM

is this how we spell bigotry or republican?
Posted by: THE curious black | August 24, 2008 7:01 PM

Hey so called curious black, this isn't bigotry and I am not a Republican. I am soon to become an Independent, because both the Democrats and Republicans aren't worth sh$t. I stand by my word, the influx of illegal aliens from Mexico, South-Central America, and Dominican Republic will be the destruction of the United States as we know it. Mexican/Salvadoran/Central-South American/Dominican women are having babies like RATS and many of our neighborhoods are being changed culturally and trashed by these third world citizens. Mexicans are killing Negroes in Los Angeles just for being black and once Salvadorans/Central Americans out number blacks in the D.C. area, they will start killing blacks too. Your left wing liberal Barack Obama stated, U.S. citizens need to learn Spanish. Obama will open up our borders and let all the illegal aliens come in with their millions of relatives. In 2042 whites will be a minority and what do you think this will mean for Negroes? VOTING FOR OBAMA OR MCCAIN IS VOTING FOR CITIZENSHIP AND AMNESTY FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS.

Posted by: BLACK D.C. DEMOCRAT | August 24, 2008 7:14 PM

Giuliani needs to find another hobby. Maybe he should look for wife #4.

Posted by: Toughcookies | August 24, 2008 7:15 PM

Getting political advice from Rudy (who did not make it out of Florida) is like getting marriage counseling from him and wife no. three (need I say more). So ladies and gents, consider the source carefully.

Posted by: Black and Bitter Like Coffee | August 24, 2008 7:18 PM

I love comments like those of "Ward 4 D.C. Democrat" -- they're the kind of parodies of themselves that show conservatives and Limbo dittoheads who their allies are: pure, unadulterated racists. Ward 4 - Democrat. Ha.

Posted by: mrk | August 24, 2008 7:19 PM

This Hillary supporter is not going to vote for Obama.

Obama is likely the greatest con man of the last 100 years, and he is a great cult developer, but he is not ready to be president. He has a fluff resume and has spend all his time in the US Senate preparing for and running for president. He has no record of accomplishments.

I am going to vote for Democrats to Congress to give Democrats veto proof majorities. If President McCain wants to get anything done, he'll have to work with Congress. We'll have true checks and balances.

_____________________________________________

Pretty Obvious that either a) you are republican or b) a member of the hillary cult that cannot move on past their issues with the primaries. Nothing will get done with McCain there, it will be more of the same over and over.

I am an Obama backer and would have voted for Hillary in a second if she won for the greater good of the party. Something a lot of her supporters seem to know nothing about because they are so stuck harping over the same thing

Posted by: John | August 24, 2008 7:20 PM

Obama in Wisconsin


Saul Alinsky – google him and ask yourself why “Rules for Radicals” was such a germane piece of work in Obama’s early political thinking, i.e., “find a problem within the middle class, and rub that wound raw.”

As Obama delivers speeches in Wisconsin today and talks about his extreme concern for the working man, wonder how genuine you think he really those ‘words’ really are.

We will never know what Barrack Hussein Obama really believes. What we do know is that when he went to an Islamic parochial school in Indonesia and his religion was identified as Muslim and that after he returned to Hawaii, he still identified himself as Muslim. Sometime, over 25 years ago, he was told by the old-school Chicago Political machine that groomed him that he needed to start thinking about the future and establish a power base through affiliation with a powerful black Christian Church and lo and behold, he’s a “Christian” . . . well sorta, he became an official member of , an organization, Trinity United Church of Christ, whose charter is (was? I haven’t’ recently checked the website to see if it was scrubbed . . . go ahead check it out, (http://www.tucc.org)): “We are an African people, and remain ‘true to our native land,’ the mother continent, the cradle of civilization.” Black liberation theology, masquerading as a Christian Organization, with a pastor who “God-damn[s] America.”

Lovely! An organization of Negroes whose primary allegiance is not to America but rather to Africa. Such is the essence of black liberation theology (and its practical hypocrisy by Wright): the duty and allegiance of Blacks is not to their native born country, America, but rather to their mother-land, Africa. Such ethnocentricity smacks a blow to the very notion of American patriotism and the relinquishing of a U.S. immigrant’s nation of origin, let alone that of an American citizen’s distant ancestor, as a defining characteristic of U.S. citizenship. Sitting in the pews for 20 years listening to such theology, one can only guess how a President Barack Obama would view his primary allegiance -- to America? or rather to some distant ideal of a Black Supremacist continent of Africa. Punctuating the notion that we are like the bedfellows whom we choose to hang with, we only need to read the words of his literal bedfellow – his wife, to learn that she also held tight beliefs in separation theology. From her thesis at Princeton: 'By actually working with the Black lower class or within their communities as a result of their ideologies, a separationist may better understand the desperation of their situation and feel more hopeless about a resolution as opposed to an integrationist who is ignorant to their plight.”
Would You Hire Barack Obama?


http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/452yoxdo.asp?pg=1


Posted by: rtfanning | August 24, 2008 7:22 PM

and we should care what Giuliani has to say because why?

Posted by: Bill J | August 24, 2008 7:23 PM

Obama shows he really wants to do the job right. Biden may not help so much in getting him elected, but he will be a bigger help governing than Clinton. Seems more honest and experienced.

Posted by: Jackie | August 24, 2008 7:23 PM

Obama had the chance to unite the whole Democratic party, but chose not to do so. It is hard to believe Obama did not even vet Hillary, a slap in the face to half of the Democratic party. Yes many of Hillary's 18 million voters on the very liberal demographic will decide to switch and vote for Obama, but millions of others in the center may not, as well as many females and hispanics. In addition, Obama scares small businesses owners on taxes, democratic gun owners on gun control, and people experienced in world affairs that believe Obama will make mistakes that will make our country less safe because of his lack of international experience and unproven leadership ability. Biden is a good choice but he did not appeal to half of the Democratic Party, unlike Hillary that helped energize the party to the end of the primaries - and Obama did not even vet her – Wow - political mistake! Obama failed to realize that when he and Hillary were both in the race the party was alive, passionate and energized. If Obama loses it will not be because of Hillary, but because Obama took the torch of the energized Democratic Party and let the flame burn out. Recent polls seem to agree.

Posted by: edabel | August 24, 2008 7:23 PM


and we should care what Giuliani has to say because why?

Posted by: Bill J | August 24, 2008 7:24 PM

Does anybody really give "a verb, a noun, and 9-11" what Giuliani thinks?

Posted by: topwriter | August 24, 2008 7:24 PM

and we should care what Giuliani has to say because why?

Posted by: Bill J | August 24, 2008 7:24 PM

So Obama picked a longtime Washington insider, an older white man who is has been in the Senate for 35 years, who voted for the war in Iraq, and who lost two previous presidential bids - badly. Not so much change after all, eh?

Posted by: Debbie | August 24, 2008 7:25 PM

I am sure hizzoner the mayor has the best interests of the democratic party in mind.

Posted by: Bill J | August 24, 2008 7:26 PM

Mayor JudyAnnie is concerned about Obamas choice for VP. How very thoughtful of him. Barack should have consulted him prior to making his selection, you know, in the spirit of non-partisianship.

Posted by: robert of santa rosa | August 24, 2008 7:26 PM

I love comments like those of "Ward 4 D.C. Democrat" -- they're the kind of parodies of themselves that show conservatives and Limbo dittoheads who their allies are: pure, unadulterated racists. Ward 4 - Democrat. Ha.

Posted by: mrk

MRK, unfortunately I was brained washed for years as most blacks were thinking the Democratic Party was the savior of black people. Whether you are black or white, idiots like you deserve what's coming in the future with the influx of illegal aliens coming into the United States. The D.C. area is flooding with Salvadorans/Central Americans and my northwest Brightwood Ward 4 D.C. neighborhood has become a Salvadoran barrio. Your a$s and other supporters of illegal immigration and diversity will reap what you have sowed in the United States of America soon to be the United States of Spanish Speaking America. Good riddance to ignorant fools like you who are not paying attention to what's going on around you with the influx of illegal aliens and MS-13 gang members. Electing Barack Obama will be the destruction of the United States and electing John McCain will not be any better. To hell with both the Democrats and Republicans.

Posted by: Black Ward 4 D.C. Democrat | August 24, 2008 7:27 PM

Rudolph who?

Giuliani's tender concern for Hillary is hilarious (pun intended).

Posted by: ejwillia | August 24, 2008 7:30 PM

Mr. Noun, Verb 9-11 can be counted on to say just about anything to get his name back in play on the national stage. Rudy is as relevant as yesterday's weather.

Posted by: McSame as Bush | August 24, 2008 7:30 PM

Probably correct. Biden is an arrogant racist and hothead. He'll implode eventually. But Hillary would have galvanized the Repubs - to them, and actually, to a whole lot of folks, she's worse than the wicked witch.

Posted by: muskrat | August 24, 2008 7:31 PM

Well John it looks like you would have made a great commie or NAZI, since your main concern is the greater good of the party. You not from China are you?

Obama won by packing Democratic caucuses in red states with weak Democratic Parties with his kiddy corp bully boys. He did a great job of developing a cultlike following among younger people -- the age most likely to be easily conned by a pied piper. And they delivered those states for him even if they had to scare senior citizens to do it. Anything for the glorious cult leader Obama!

Posted by: William | August 24, 2008 7:31 PM

Powell still has not determined who he is going to endorse. Powell is not a friend of John McSame as Bush and he values his private life.

Posted by: McSame as Bush | August 24, 2008 7:32 PM

Obama should have picked Hillary. She had 50 percent of the Democratic vote. Obama has 50 percent of the Democratic vote. You almost have to go to extraordinary lengths to avoid her as the vice presidential pick of the party.

Democrats should vote for McCain in protest, then they can elect Hillary in 2012. It would be a slam dunk.

Posted by: Karl | August 24, 2008 7:34 PM

White Americans No Longer A Majority By 2042

So, let's see, do you think that the three main groups that will constitute the "majority minority" will behave as a single entity? Do you think that once the European Americans are less than 50% of the population that all of a sudden the Asians will start embracing the African Americans as their true brothers and sisters? Are the Hispanics so monolithic that you think they'll reject European Cultural Norms as a single block? Don't you think that the Hispanics that are already here and successful will despise the other Hispanics that do not have enough energy and ambition?

As a U.S. citizen who happens to be black, I am concern by this Census report released. What will become of my children and grandchildren who have to live during this time period in 2042? Will they endure more racism from white/mestizo Hispanics who consider themselves to be superior to black citizens? A 2006 study was conducted at Duke University in Durham, North Carolina and UNC at Chapel Hill; Latino Immigrants Come to the U.S. with Negative Stereotypes of Black Americans, New Study Shows.

The issue of race in this country is a fascinating one to say the least. It's importance (race) various per person but as it relates to structure of this country...very important. This country is very diverse in ethnicity unfortunately it is not embraced nor celebrated in the most beneficial fashion for all.

If you google U.S. demographics, Wikipedia gives an interesting breakdown of race and ethnicity in this country. I was surprised to see that of the seven categories of race, only the White Americans section was composed with great detail. Not only did that section has graphs and charts but it was the only section that listed the different ethnicities that falls in that category(White Americans) along with the percentage of population and the flag of the country of those ethnic group. No other racial section received the same attention to detail. And yes...there was a section called White Hispanic(White Mexican).

To me I interpreted that information and how it was compiled and presented, that we are not all inclusive. Was the lack of detail for the other racial categories an oversight or purposeful omission. I don't know...but in this age of abundance of available information...it gave me pause.

Neither Presidential candidates Barack Obama and John McCain will not do anything to stop the flow of illegal aliens into the United States.

Posted by: Black Voter | August 24, 2008 7:35 PM

I don't get the outrage at not "vetting" Hillary. Hillary was the most vetted VP candidate out there -- Obama knew everything he possibly could about her from the campaign. He knew more about her than anyone imaginable. The whole "no vetting" argument just makes the disappointed Hillary supporters look like whining sore losers. It is embarrassing. I would have voted Hillary in a heartbeat but she lost. I am supporting Obama because Hillary supports Obama. I do not want to throw her wishes under the bus and I certainly don't want McCain -- who stands for everything that Hillary is against -- to turn this country into another warmongering nation, this time against Iran, and set back women's rights another decade. The Hillary supporters who think four years of McCain is worth a shot of Hillary in 2012 are deluding themselves and really stand to hurt the country -- contrary to what Hillary urges us to do. Is that really supporting Hillary, PUMAs?

Posted by: huh? | August 24, 2008 7:36 PM

To my mind, BO is inspiring and praise-worthy.

McSame is plain insipid, dull and unispiring. Old deadwood. Yawnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Looks so with Guile too. Looks like he is so confused that he wants BO to really win though he is supposed to be from the other side.

Guile..you make me want to sleep too...yawn!!!!!!!!

Posted by: mdsubramonia | August 24, 2008 7:38 PM

Yes, well I'm sure that Giuliani has the best interests of the Democratic Party and Barack Obama at heart here so we should all take this sincere constructive criticism at face value. In fact (to steal shamelessly from a JFK quip) I imagine if you polled the Republican National committee it would be unanimous.


Posted by: duncan | August 24, 2008 7:39 PM

This is what politicians like Obama and McCain have allowed in the United States of America.

Comatose Illegal to be Deported
From the Wall Street Journal:

"A Chicago hospital is preparing to send a 30-year-old patient back to Mexico. Francisco Pantaleon, who is in this country illegally, had a brain hemorrhage last month and is in a coma at the University of Illinois Medical Center at Chicago.

The hospital says his immediate family consents to returning him to his home country, but Pantaleon’s sister and cousin have retained a lawyer to fight the hospital. The Chicago Tribune has the story.

The practice of hospital deporting immigrants has been in the public eye lately — the New York Times had a big piece on the subject earlier this month.

Hospitals are obliged to arrange for patients’ post-hospital care, and Medicaid doesn’t cover long-term care for illegal immigrants.

“It’s important to make sure that hospitals aren’t permitted to dump patients on an international level when they can’t do it on a local level,” a lawyer working with Pantaleon’s sister and cousin told the Trib.

Pantaleon, who has been in this country for 11 years, is uninsured and was working at a carwash, the article says. Officials at the hospital say he’s unlikely to recover from his coma, and they’ve arranged to transfer him to a hospital in Acapulco, Mexico.

“We can’t arrange long-term care here, so we try to do the best we can in the country of origin,” the hospital’s chief medical officer at told the Trib."

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I say GOOD RIDDANCE. I'm sorry the guy is in a coma but the taxpayer should NOT be footing the bill for him. He was here for 11 years ILLEGALLY! His family and friends are protesting at the hospital. I'd like to know why INS isn't there checking THEIR status as well. If they are all illegal, deport them all! And what about the car wash that hired him? They need to be fined heavily and the owner should pay the hospital for the guy's medical expenses, since he was supporting him illegally in the first place.

I'm sorry, but I don't care if they come here to make a better life for themselves and their families. If you want me to help support you, then you come here legally and get a job and pay taxes.

Posted by: Illegal Alien | August 24, 2008 7:39 PM

So how many times did Rudy say "9/11" ?

Posted by: georgepwebster | August 24, 2008 7:41 PM

[Biden]'s not new. He's not for change. He's got baggage. He's volatile. He is from the northeast. He is everything Hillary is not.

Posted by: DemVotingMac | August 24, 2008 3:02 PM

* * * * *

Uh, last I checked, Hillary represents a northeast state. She can be volatile, and she certainly has baggage.

Clintonistas, better learn to get over it. Just remember 40 years ago, when some Democrats reluctance to back Humphrey because of the war led to the election of Richard Nixon. Don't get fooled again.

Posted by: Vincent | August 24, 2008 7:43 PM

to answer your question, georgepwebster,
"So how many times did Rudy say "9/11" ?"

Far fewer times than Obama said "change."

Posted by: Pixie | August 24, 2008 7:44 PM

Poor poor Biden!
He only made $300,000 in 2007!
Oh yeah, he and Hussein sit around in that million+ dollar Chicago mansion (bought with the assist of convicted felon Tony Rezco) clipping food coupons.
And we have to call them populists!
The Obabots are just too much!!!

Hussein picks a rich old white guy
who voted for the Iraq war
and told us HRC was prepared to be president but Obama wasn't and said he would be proud to run with McCain
and wants to forcibly chop Iraq into at least three countries
and makes explicitly racist comments
and like Hussein is an admitted plagiarist
and like Hussein voted for the Bush giveaway to the oil companies
and like Hussein voted for the oink oink pork laden farm bill
and it does go on and on...

CHANGE NOBODY CAN BELIEVE IN!
Obama bin Biden '08!

Posted by: JamesT | August 24, 2008 7:46 PM

When Barack Obama went before LULAC and made devisive remarks about Americans not being bilingual, that was a slap in the face to Americans as a whole. He even went on to remark about how ashamed he was when Americans travelling abroad didn’t speak the languages of those countries. Obama has never made a secret of the fact that open borders is more to his liking and with his “globalization” view of things, even having English as the language of this country really isn’t important and should be more of a bilingual country in his opinion.

He has slapped Americans by demeaning us, by calling anyone without his extreme liberal view towards illegal immigration racist, scapegoaters, etc. All of this because of the fact that 9% of the voters in this country are Latinos and he wants their votes ?

The other 94% needs to stand up and pull the lever against Obama to see if he can then hear the will of the majority of Americans who are sick of this country being given away .

Obama would make a better candidate in Mexico. So would McCain for that matter. They certainly don’t have the welfare of legal citizens in this country at the heart of their campaigning.

Posted by: Illegal Alien | August 24, 2008 7:48 PM

Question for AsperGirl - What is the point you were trying to make, when you posted Candy Rice's bio?

Posted by: Krishna | August 24, 2008 7:49 PM

The Mayor of 9/11 criticizing ANYBODY about ANYTHING is a total joke.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 7:50 PM

Noun + Verb+ Prisoner of War.

Posted by: tom | August 24, 2008 7:52 PM

No Nation can absorb millions of of uneducated Immigrants like we are experiencing without taking on the same characteristics of their culture and society. One of the big mistakes many people make is thinking the illegal invaders want American citizenship. Most do not want citizenship they view their selfs as Mexicans/Salvadorans or whatever and only come here for the jobs and welfare and taking advantage of the society & welfare system that legal immigrants build with great sacrifice over the years.

Mexico is an rich nation from resources to climate, their standard of living should be as high as the USA as well as most of the Latino Nations, the fact they are Third World countries is almost totally due to their culture! I realize many will say it is their political system but they could change their political system if they really cared. I find it ironic and frightening that they will come here illegally, Wave Mexico/El Salvador flags, while protesting for their rights and its gets little condemnation & lots of support from our politicians and citizens. All great Nations eventually wither & past away in the dust bins of History, from internal rot. There is no doubt in my mind we are well on our way and witnessing the beginning of the end of this Nation as a great power and a beacon of hope in an increasing dark and frighting world. Actually, the process is too far advanced to say beginning we are well into the middle. We will end up as a diverse Nation without any National characteristics or commonly help beliefs and each group with fight over increasing less resources.

A vote for Barack Obama and John McCain will hurt the United States. Both these men support amnesty and citizenship to illegal aliens.

Posted by: Illegal Alien | August 24, 2008 7:52 PM

And yes, Hussein always says:
Noun, Verb, CHANGE!
More plagiarism, this time Hussein steals from Rudy!
Pathetic!

Posted by: JamesT | August 24, 2008 7:53 PM

"When Barack Obama went before LULAC and made devisive remarks about Americans not being bilingual, that was a slap in the face to Americans as a whole."

Yeah! Why can't he speak Lakota like Jesus and the rest of us Americans?

Posted by: tom | August 24, 2008 7:54 PM

For all of you that strongly support Biden as VEEP, were you aware that he was one of the strongest supporterss of the Federal Bankruptcy bill in 2005, better known as the Bush-Biden Bill? This bill so empowered predatory lenders that even Obamba himself strongly opposed it and voted no. Of course, Biden's vote had nothing to do with the fact that so many credit card companies are incorporated in Delaware, Biden's homes state.

Just wait till the repubs start hammering this home to all the "working class people" Biden supposedly supports.

http://www.californiaprogressreport.com/2008/08/oh_no_not_joe_b.html

Posted by: Pixie | August 24, 2008 7:56 PM

Interesting how "Ward D.C." suddenly became "Black Ward D.C." and railing against multiculturalism. These one-issue anti-immigrant folks are flat-out weird. You posted the story about American not being majority white in a few years. So what? And that Obama feels Americans should learn Spanish. What's the problem with either of these things? No problem. Unless you've been brainwashed to fear it by the likes of Lou Dobbs. America is changing. You'll either be on the bus or not on the bus. But you aren't going to turn it around and make it go backward. So relax and enjoy the ride. You might experience some good food and good music along the way. Adios, que Dios esté contigo...

Posted by: mrk | August 24, 2008 7:59 PM


I want 2 know, who cares about Juuleeaknees opinion?

Posted by: What's the Fuss!!!? | August 24, 2008 7:59 PM

Q. Why would "Gigolo John" McMansions allow someone as corrupt and as morally sleazy as Rudolph (Can you say "Bernie Kerik"?) Giuliani to be the keynote speaker at the the Republican Convention?

A. Because "Gigolo John" McMansions is as corrupt and as morally sleazy as Giuliani. (McMansions even lied about his divorce and re-marriage in his own memoir.)

Posted by: pali2500 | August 24, 2008 7:59 PM

Ha, Ha. LOL at all the Republicans upset that Obama didn't pick Hillary. Why? Because they like her? Talk about transparent! If they think she is such a good pick, maybe McCain should choose her!

Posted by: Sara B. | August 24, 2008 8:01 PM

I would love it if McCain picked Hillary!

Posted by: Pixie | August 24, 2008 8:02 PM

Rudy was my first pick for the Republican nomination, so I take his thoughts very seriously. He's an intelligent and realistic politician and will be a great candidate for Governor of NY. But he did make a mistake with his Florida strategy, which probably looked good at the time. Anyway, he's right, Biden brings some things to the table, but it doesn't necessarily help him win against John McCain. I mean, Obama has soo much less experience than Biden. In fact he has less experience than ANY President elected in the last 100 years!! Look them up and tell me I'm wrong. Even President Bush had been a Governor of the huge and great state of Texas for several years before being nominated by the Republicans. He needed to add renewed excitment to the ticket, and that's not Joe Biden.

Posted by: Bryan | August 24, 2008 8:03 PM

Since when is it "front page" news for a former Republican mayor to criticize the Democratic nominee's choice for Veep?

Posted by: jhbyer | August 24, 2008 8:03 PM

Bruce Springsteen - Radio Nowhere

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmLt6kcZ72Q

Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: Cooday | August 24, 2008 8:03 PM

I love hearing this flack from Mr. Giuliani. Wrong party, no delegates, abysmal family history, corrupt associates. I don't care what he thinks. He's on the wrong side and he'll be on the outside looking in after November.

Posted by: Karl in MD | August 24, 2008 8:04 PM

Well he wouldn't pick her, Pixie. Because he's like George W. Bush. Hillary is not. If you support Hillary, then you shouldn't support McCain. It's pure logic. If you support McCain, then you're supporting four more years of Bush. That's not what Hillary supports. Gee. Where did you go to school? The Academy of 1984 Contradictions? Steven Colbert's Truthiness University?

Posted by: mrk | August 24, 2008 8:05 PM

Picking Biden makes no sense. Obama said over and over and over that Hillary Clinton should not be President because, since she voted to authorize the Iraq war, her reasoning was flawed. If Biden (who managed to win no delegates) made the same vote, how is he a better pick to be next in line for the Presidency than Clinton, who got as many votes as Obama did?

Oh, that's right, Biden (who has been in the Senate so long we forgot when he started) must represent "new" politics.

Oh, that's not it? Let's see...

OK, I'm stumped.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | August 24, 2008 8:07 PM

"No Nation can absorb millions of of uneducated Immigrants like we are experiencing without taking on the same characteristics of their culture and society."

____________________________________

If you don't like America, pack up your bags and head back to whatever hellhole you or your forebears came from. And, puhleeze, take whatever passes for your "culture" and "society" with you.

There are people waiting who want to become real Americans.

Posted by: pali2500 | August 24, 2008 8:07 PM

Obama had the chance to unite the whole Democratic party, but chose not to do so. It is hard to believe Obama did not even vet Hillary, a slap in the face to females and half of the Democratic party. Yes many of Hillary's 18 million voters on the very liberal demographic will decide to switch and vote for Obama, but millions of others in the center may not, as well as many females and hispanics. In addition, Obama scares small businesses owners on taxes, democratic gun owners on gun control, and people experienced in world affairs that believe Obama will make mistakes that will make our country less safe because of his lack of international experience and unproven leadership ability. Biden is a good choice but he did not appeal to half of the Democratic Party, unlike Hillary that helped energize the party to the end of the primaries - and Obama did not even vet her – Wow - political mistake! Obama failed to realize that when he and Hillary were both in the race the party was alive, passionate and energized. If Obama loses it will not be because of Hillary, but because Obama took the torch of the energized Democratic Party and let the flame burn out. Recent polls seem to agree.

Posted by: edabel | August 24, 2008 8:08 PM

Tom: "Delaware besides bordering Virginia is a state high on everyone's list to visit. LOLer."

LOL --- DE borders MD not VA dumb*ss!

99% of actual Hilary people are more interested in bringing the US back from the brink created by Bush/Cheney and paying the mortgage than getting a woman in the White House this year.

Ask yourself: can your wallet stand another four years of war, $1 a gallon gas increases every six or eight months, rising unemployment, skyrocketing food prices, and the credit crisis.......??

Not many people can........

Posted by: Chris | August 24, 2008 8:09 PM

The Republicans were salivating at Hillary as the VP nominee. This is just sour grapes that she is not -- now they have less to thrown back at Obama than an Obama-Clinton ticket. The Republicans were scared about an Obama nominee and are now upset with Biden as a VP nominee. Oh, and Rudy -- 911,, 911, 911, 911......

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 8:09 PM

Have any of you considered the possibility that maybe Hillary and Obama discussed this issue and decided together that she wouldn't be on the ticket? Maybe Hillary doesn't want that job. She's certainly supporting the ticket as it is. That's for sure. If you support her so vigorously, then why can't you support this choice of hers -- the choice to put her full backing behind the Obama/Biden ticket? It's not a slap in the face of anybody. That's paranoia.

Posted by: mrk | August 24, 2008 8:13 PM

mrk wrote:
Interesting how "Ward D.C." suddenly became "Black Ward D.C." and railing against multiculturalism. These one-issue anti-immigrant folks are flat-out weird. You posted the story about American not being majority white in a few years. So what? And that Obama feels Americans should learn Spanish. What's the problem with either of these things? No problem. Unless you've been brainwashed to fear it by the likes of Lou Dobbs. America is changing. You'll either be on the bus or not on the bus. But you aren't going to turn it around and make it go backward. So relax and enjoy the ride. You might experience some good food and good music along the way. Adios, que Dios esté contigo...

I can assure you, I am a black man living in Ward 4 Brightwood Washington, D.C. Yes I do enjoy watching Lou Dobbs, because he continues to educate U.S. citizens on the illegal immigration issue. Most of us live it everyday.

Let me say this, all Hispanics are not criminals or illegal aliens. Many are productive United States citizens. I feel that it is wrong for Latinos/Hispanics "NOT" to be against illegal immigration, cracking down on illegal aliens, and enforcing our immigration laws. If these were millions of blacks or whites coming from the Caribbean, Africa, or Europe, the majority of Hispanics would be for enforcing immigration laws. I am a black citizen with over 400 years of ancestry back to slavery in South Carolina. If these were millions of black Africans or black Caribbeans who broke U.S. laws by crossing our porous borders, I would want their behinds deported and U.S. immigration laws enforced. I am a citizen of the United States of America, not some foreign country on the continent of Africa or in the Caribbean.

Posted by: Ward 4 D.C. Black Democrat | August 24, 2008 8:13 PM

It would make sense for all who support Senator Obama to not be alarmed by the negative rhetoric posted here by Senator Clinton supporters. First, because it's likely that many are republicans who are being mischievous. Second, if the poster is a democrat who chooses to go into denial about reality (that the republican party has brought to America) in order to settle a vendetta, so be it. This nation will get what it deserves, that's for sure.

Posted by: cann | August 24, 2008 8:15 PM

Did anyone expect Rudy to approve of whomever Obama picked for his running mate?

Move Rudy over to the Gossip Section. Where is that picture of Rudy wearing a dress and pearls?

Posted by: jim283 | August 24, 2008 8:17 PM

Illegal immigration is a problem in the District of Columbia, but the local media has failed by not reporting on it. Illegal immigration is only being reported in Prince William County, Virginia and parts of Maryland in the D.C area. Most D.C. residents are against illegal immigration and are outraged by it, but they continue to remain silent on the issue. D.C. Council Chair Vincent Gray, Councilmembers Brown, Schwartz, Catania, Bowser, Alexander, Graham, Thomas, Wells, Evans, Mendelson, Cheh, and Barry are not doing a darn thing to address the influx of illegal aliens into the District of Columbia. Black U.S. citizens are being hurt the most by the influx of illegal aliens into the U.S. job market. I recently visited the McDonalds across the street from Howard University and the majority of the employees were Central Americans. Every time there's an apartment available here in upper northwest Ward 4 D.C., it's rented to Central Americans. What has happen to black and white citizens in D.C. who need apartments? There's overcrowding in upper northwest in apartment buildings with Ethiopians and Central Americans, but the Fenty Administration nor the Council of the District of Columbia isn't doing anything to address this crisis. Central American/Salvadoran/Mexican women are having lot's of babies at a greater rate of both black and white citizens combined. It's going to get worse with more black and white citizens losing their jobs or not being able to find work. Welcome to the third world people!

Residents in D.C. need to address and speak out publicly against illegal immigration and stop remaining silent on this crucial issue.

I am not voting for Barack Obama or John McCain either. I cannot vote for either canidate who don't share my views on illegal immigration and supports giving amnesty and citizenship to 20 million illegal aliens.

Posted by: Kappa1911 | August 24, 2008 8:17 PM

You're right, cann. It's kind of entertaining, in a sick way, to read these convoluted comments, though. I've become addicted to this. Must tear myself away and go do something productive.

Posted by: mrk | August 24, 2008 8:19 PM

"Gov. Edward Rendell said an Obama-Clinton ticket would have been just as strong as Obama-Biden...They're equally good tickets."

Ed Rendell made it clear he thinks Hillary is the much stronger candidate over Obama until the very end. He never jumped on the Obama bandwagon and criticized him regularly.

I am sure he thinks Hillary would make a stronger VP but at this point he can't come right out and say so because he doesn't want to damage the Democratic ticket.

Anyhow - I personally want McCain to pick Hillary!!! Now THAT would be an awesome move. They could take care of foreign policy together and she could take care of health insurance and the economy and poverty.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 8:22 PM

Does anyone, be they Republican, Democratic or Independent. listen to Rudy anymore????

Posted by: Random Arrow | August 24, 2008 8:23 PM

If your enemies are criticizing your decision, you must have done something right!

Posted by: Jackass | August 24, 2008 8:25 PM

So Obama is weak on foreign policy to "shore up" he's enlisted a guy who -- in Obama's view -- was dead wrong on the biggest foreign policy question to date of the 21st century. What's Biden's role? Articulate, wrong, old Washington views to give B.O. practice shooting them down.

Posted by: Brian | August 24, 2008 8:25 PM

The D.C. Government gives any illegal who comes to the welfare office services and are told not to ask for any papers, but citizens must show id, birth cert. ect. Latinos/Hispanics who work at the welfare office help other Latinos/Hispanics get services that we tax paying citizens are paying for. Please explain that MRK? I guess you support this, because you are a Hispanic/Latino? Hispanics are not a monolithic groups, because many ethnic Hispanic groups hate each other. Example Cubans hate Salvadorans. Mexicans hate Puerto Ricans. I know Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens, but many other Hispanic ethnic groups hate Puerto Ricans, because they are jealous Ricans are citizens, and they are not. As I see it, the U.S. is in a mess and it deserves to become a third world nation.

Posted by: Vjab | August 24, 2008 8:27 PM

Michelle would NEVER have permitted it. She hates Hillary. Michelle is a BEATCH you know. I'm simply stating a fact.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 8:28 PM

I want to personally thank all of the posters on this forum who have encouraged staunch Hillary supporters like me to "get over it." With your help and comments, I am finally over it - I will vote for McCain! Thanks again.

Posted by: Pixie | August 24, 2008 8:28 PM

I love it when Republicans waste their time writing online, pretending to be Hillary Clinton supporters. It smacks of desperation! Why is it not credible? Simple. What Hillary Clinton supporter would ever want more Scalias and Scalitos on the Supreme Court? You know what I can't wait for? The coming GOP civil war over what their party stands for. Far as I can tell, the only unifying element is negative campaigning and character assassination rather than running on the issues, which they would lose every time. This time, however, we've got Dems who will fight back, knife-fighting for knife-fighting. :-) How many houses does McCain own? What a gift.

Posted by: Prospero | August 24, 2008 8:30 PM

Rudy's comments just go to show that MOST of Hillary's support was coming from Republicans that saw her as their only chance to win.

Posted by: DWayne | August 24, 2008 8:32 PM

MLK there's a difference between an immigrant and an illegal alien. Supporters of illegal immigration and open border advocates like to lump the two together. I disagree, I don't find Lou Dobbs to be a racist. Lou Dobbs have done an excellent job on educating the citizenry on the seriousness of illegal immigration in this country. Illegal immigration is out of control and many traditional black neighborhoods have been transformed into Salvadoran or Mexican barrios. Blacks have been enduring the influx of illegal aliens into their neighborhoods for the last 10 years. Now that illegal aliens are moving into all white neighborhoods like Prince William Country, Virginia, the residents are speaking out as they should. I commend my fellow white citizens on speaking out against the influx of illegal aliens into their neighborhoods, but many blacks have remained silent out of fear of being called a racist. On the issue of Hispanics being brown people is hilarious, because according to the U.S. census, the majority of Hispanics identify themselves as white, not brown or colored. Most blacks have brown skin tone. Hispanic is not a race of people but an ethnicity and culture. Many Hispanics are white and some are black, mulatto, or mestizo. I have seen my middle class northwest D.C. neighborhood turn into a Salvadoran barrio within the last 8 years.

Posted by: Black Ward 4 D.C. Democrat | August 24, 2008 8:33 PM

P.S. Pixie-Isn't EVERY DEM. WITH AT LEAST HALF A BRAIN VOTING FOR MCCAIN/ROMNEY-I KNOW ALL THE DEMS. INCLUDING MYSELF WOULDN'T BE CAUGHT DEAD VOTING FOR THOSE TWO KNUCKLEHEADS-THE TWO PLAGIARISTS, AND THE ONE WITH THE OSSIFIED SENATE SEAT, WHO THE WASHINGTON MEDIA ESTABLISHMENT IS NOW CALLING AN "EXPERT" ON FOREIGN POLICY! THAT'S HILARIOUS-JOE BIDEN AN "EXPERT" ON FOREIGN POLICY-TELL ME POST EDITORS, WHAT THE HELL HAS BIDEN EVER SAID ON THE FOREIGN POLICY FRONT THAT WAS A. CORRECT OR B. INSIGHTFUL AND PREDICTIVE? I CAN'T THINK OF ONE-RUNNING HIS MOUTH ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS IS WAAY DIFFERENT THAN BEING AN EXPERT! AND OF COURSE, THERE ARE THE RACIST COMMENTS HE CAN'T SEEM TO QUIT MAKING! BIDEN'S A DISASTER-AND OBAMA IS WELCOME TO HIM-HA HA HA!

DEMS4MCCAIN.ORG

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 8:33 PM

socrates3333

I don't believe obama has ever successfully put his 'narcissistic' ego aside ever. I think for obama its always about obama -- he looked off-centered being forced to share stage with Biden yesterday and even woebegone being forced to sit there and let Biden take center stage for a few minues-- but then again he also didn't look at that happy to begin with it - making it perfectly obvious that Biden is not his choice and was forced upon him.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 8:35 PM

Giulliani is certainly one to give advice when it comes to presidential politics, I mean look at how successful he's been.

And what would anybody expect here? Obama and Biden are in the hated democratic party, is Rudy going to say anything nice at all about them?

What a waste of breath.

Posted by: arf | August 24, 2008 8:39 PM

Vote for McCain pixie, it shows how grown up you are.

Posted by: pixel | August 24, 2008 8:40 PM

Giuliani says Obama should have picked Clinton for his VP because America was attacked on September 11th, and because Giuliani was mayor of New York on September 11th. Also, Giuliani had chicken for dinner tonight because America was attacked on September 11th.

Posted by: JLE | August 24, 2008 8:41 PM

I'm voting McCain/Romney too-as are MILLIONS OF UNHEARD FROM VOTERS ACROSS THE NATION!

Posted by: FARFALLE | August 24, 2008 8:42 PM

Thank you Pixel. I feel very grown up at 32!

It's positive people like you who helped me grow up (and vote for McCain).

Posted by: Pixie | August 24, 2008 8:43 PM

I have to agree with some other people I've read here. I think Obama may just be getting sick of this crap.
I had the same feeling about Bush the First back in '92, I don't think he really wanted to win a second term, but he couldn't say no to the party.

It looks like the democrats are going to make themselves lose this election as is their usual habit now, so we'd better hope McCain picks someone who can actually manage the government. The walls of his heart are paper thin and his brain is leaking out of his ears right now.

All the internal hatred between the hillary losers and the smug obama winners ... pathetic. What a bunch of children.

Posted by: sick | August 24, 2008 8:45 PM

Guiliani doesn't give a rat's ãss who the dem VP is. He said something his party cooked up strategically that was intended to pîss off the Hillary supporters and make them do what so many threatened to do: "If Hillary doesn't get the nomination, I'm voting for McCain".

The 'uglicans are very, very sneaky and manipulative.

-- faye kane, homeless brain
Read more of my smartmouth opinions at http://blog.myspace.com/fayekane

Posted by: Faye Kane | August 24, 2008 8:45 PM

I'm so happy Rudy knows what's best for the democrat's. I know as a die hard republican he wants only the best for his democratic counterparts. I'm sure there was no ulterior motive like trying to cause discord among democrat's in his remarks.

Newsflash Rudy: Not a single democrat could give a rat's rear end whether you think Obama's choice of Biden was corect or not. No matter who Obama selected you would have criticized the select.

Rudy, I have a prediction of my own. No matter who McCain chooses you will come out and say this is exactly the right person for America and tell us how it shows McCain is ready to be president and Obama is not ready. Duh, what else can we expect from a republican shill like yourself?

Posted by: BobL-VA | August 24, 2008 8:46 PM

Anyone ever wonder how Biden affords to commute by train to and from DC every day, or are the taxpayers paying for it?

Posted by: therebel | August 24, 2008 8:47 PM

Anonymous, come off your perch and use lower case and Caps when Yelling. Manners are still considered when deciding on the value of someone's expression of thought.

Look at all of you who choose to write before Hillary Clinton announced that she would be releasing all of her delegates
at the Convention.

The former mayor of NYC whose campaign
relied solely on a win in Florida is not
an expert on how to win elections. He
proved his lack of intelligence and absence of skill in Florida.

Biden and Obama are the best team to bring a knock out punch to the Republican Party in November. They'll use a left hook and a right to the jaw.

Posted by: ALang1 | August 24, 2008 8:47 PM

Yep Rudy got it right as what the dimwits
have left now folks,can be called "The
Stand Up Comedy Team Of Doofus Obama And
Goofus Biden" and which will cost the idiot
Democrats Election 2008,since their two
empty suit candidate motor mouths liberals
Barack Hussein Obama and Mouthy Joe Biden
are the Worst Two Candidates In Democratic
Party History. And neither one of these two
loud mouths knows when to shut up and when
to engage brains before speaking,and both
constantly display their huge arrogance,
smirking,over-inflated monsterous Egos.
Welcome to the White House President John McCain. NOBAMA And NOBIDEN!

Fed UP Independents Against Obama/Biden!

Posted by: Sandy5274 | August 24, 2008 8:47 PM

As president, Obama will be learning how to be president on day one. He will make many rookie mistakes and with extremists using religion to train followers to give up their lives to kill us any way they can. Obama must have the leadership, wisdon and determination necessary to protect our country on day one. Obama is a great speaker but as president his actions will speak louder than his words.

It is quite scary to hear Biden say during a debate that Obama is not ready to be president. It is a good thing Biden will be there to hold Obama's hand day one.

Obama is treated like a star by the media right now buy they will turn on him in just as they always do to every siting president. He better be ready, unlike Bush!

Posted by: edabel | August 24, 2008 8:50 PM

Candide: Harrigans? What, Irish pub crawlers? What the heck are Harrigans?

Anyway, the motive here of the Repubs is so transparent, thinking that the Hillary-ites are going to say..."Oh, yeah, Rudy..you got it right bud! In fact, I think I'm now going to vote Republican because you are soooo pro-HRC!" We're not that stupid, Rudy. If we decide to not support Obama it won't be because we had our enlightenment from a one-note Repub.

Posted by: FactChecker1 | August 24, 2008 8:51 PM

The jury is still out. I will wait for another week and see who McCain picks for VP.

I'm not impressed with Barack or McCain or Biden so if McCain picks Romney I'll flip a coin and that will be my choice for the ticket.

It seems the older I get the worse the candidates become.

Posted by: woodbutcher | August 24, 2008 8:52 PM

The one consistent idiocy I keep reading in these comments is the Obama worshipers simply refusing to acknowledge that Democrats and independents who refuse to vote for the fraud Obama do so for very real concerns about his fitness for the presidency, and not out of spite, which actually seems to be the main characteristic of Obama worhipers. He''s not fit, period. And the reasons have been well publicized in print and other media for not just the months of the primary, but some of it for years, so don''t bother harassing me about listing them. They''ve been listed, ad nauseum, by countless commenters, and not one single Obama worhipers has any real answers to those facts. I wouldn''t vote for Obama even if Clinton had never run. Okay, now start slinging the racism remarks, which seems to be the other standard come-back for Obama worshipers. A person doesn''t have to be a racist to find Obama an appalling choice; they just have to be an intelligent voter with a mind of her or his own.

Posted by: Griffin | August 24, 2008 8:53 PM

To Ward 4 D.C. Thank you!!! I finally heard a black American say they are American. Africa is a continent. I am a white American. If I were born to two white Americans who happened to be in Africa when I was born, would I be considered an African-American? I don't think so. But kudos to you for being proud to be an American. Period. Stop the division. Be proud to be an American. African-American is not a color.

Posted by: finally | August 24, 2008 8:53 PM

Obama made the best possible choice, he chose the person he wanted to run with and ignored all the prattle published here. He did not choose Hillary. Why? Because he did not think she was the best choice. What other reason could there be? Can't say that he is a wimp or that he does what is expedient. He chose an honest man who speaks his mind. The Democratic Ticket is lead by men who want to restore competence and integrity to government. John McCain wants to extend the incompetence of the Bush years by an additional four years.

Am I supposed to believe that Giulliani's opinion is supposed to further the Democratic fortunes or the Republican's? Is the WaPo beyond the looking glass?

Posted by: Ronnn | August 24, 2008 8:56 PM

Hi, I'm a Republican I'm going to make online posts as a blogger posing to be a Hillary supporter. I will pretend that I'm really upset about what happened in the primaries and declare that I will never vote for Obama.

I think it will actually influence the real Hillary voters to stay home in November.

Posted by: B Toups | August 24, 2008 8:57 PM

I wonder how long it would take for someone to make a Obama Bin Biden "joke". As I said, anyone who is saying they are "Democrats" but voting for McCain are either completely ignorant of McCain's current policy platforms or are just Republicans posing as Democrats.

Posted by: joe | August 24, 2008 8:58 PM

I'm not voting for Obama either, and can't vote for McCain. The difference in the quality of these two men for president is a little too minute for my senses to detect.

But you're just an angry little girl aren't you?
Some years down the road you're going to look back and wonder why you thought this current opinion of yours was so special, and how specious and immature you are to vote for the bigger enemy just to spite the smaller enemy.

Posted by: Pixel | August 24, 2008 9:00 PM

Wow, the Obama haters are out in force tonight. I don't hate McCain, I just don't think the Republicans deserve to retain the Whitehouse. I think Obama has run a highly effective campaign--far moreso than McCain, and his campaign has been far less negative. I also think Obama shows the wisdom and judgment to lead this country in challenging times.

Posted by: Michael | August 24, 2008 9:06 PM

"'I think what attracted Senator Obama was Biden's wisdom,' said David Axelrod, Obama's chief strategist, on ABC."

Really. How wise was Biden when he spoke and voted FOR THE WAR IN IRAQ and Obummer gave a speech against it.

Who is the wiser Obummer or Biden? Who was wrong and who was right. They can not BOTH be right? Either Obummer was WRONG on the war or Biden was! Which is it Axelnut?

And, Axelnut, if wrinkly, old white men are not automatically disqualified from office and can, as you say about Biden, be wise then a man only a few years his senior, as McCain is, can also be wise or wiser and certainly, at the very least, should not be automatically dismissed as being qualified to be president on the basis of age alone as your foul and venomous acolytes do.

If Obummer is willing to go deep into the "Old BOYS Club," deep into the old style political pool, to grab Biden, Obummer never meant a word of his "Change" pledge. In short, "Change" was just another word, another hollow electioneering slogan.

Also, please explain to so many of the young worshipful of Obummer why a male, Democratic Senator voting FOR THE WAR IN IRAQ is acceptable, acceptable enough to not to be a bar to the vice-presidency, but voting for the war in Iraq by a female, Democratic Senator is the main reason given for the vile, misogynous attacks against Clinton?

Isn't it further proof that Obummer harbors a hatred of older, white women that is so overpowering that he can scarcely conceal it, that he can't help but slip here and there as he did with the racist comments about his own grandmother?

His hatred of older, white women is further illuminated when you use as a backdrop Obummer's glowing words about his biological father who, it turns out, was a viscous, alcoholic, wife-beating bigamist. Talk about misogenous!

Taken together, Obummer's pick for a male VP that voted for the war in Iraq, the attacks on a female Senator who voted for the same war that Obummer never even tried to stop, Obummer's blithe tossing under the bus of his own old, white grandmother, and his beyond shabby treatment of Clinton during the VP search clearly and easily argue that Obummer truly harbors a hatred of old, white females that is frightening and makes him a most hateful racist.

Posted by: jmcauli1 | August 24, 2008 9:07 PM

The reason I could not swallow my pride and vote for Mr Obama is the way they threated Hillary during the primary and continue to this day.During Mr Clinton's years in the white house, I saw significant numbers of black professionals rose to prominence. They all got recognize and most of them are really deserving. But look at how they voted during the primary, obviously by color. I am from an Asian country and perhaps we in hundreds voting for John McCain. I see more sincerity on this man and has the quality to be the leader of this great nation.

Posted by: lito | August 24, 2008 9:07 PM

Given how he bombed in the primaries and fled from challenging Hillary for the Senate, "Herr" Rudy's one to talk!

Posted by: Hans Stumpfnickl | August 24, 2008 9:09 PM

In 1990 Bush ran against Gore. Which one had more foreign policy experience. Hmmm, landslide....Gore over Bush. Gore lost. In 1994 Bush ran against Kerry. At this point who had more foreign policy experience. Yup, Kerry wins hands down. Who won the election? Bush. Now all of a sudden foreign policy experience is an issue? Anyone else see the irony here? What's a non-issue for the Republicans is a huge "problem" for the democrat's? Sorry, only in the fairy tale republican party can such ridiculous claims be made.

Posted by: BobL-VA | August 24, 2008 9:14 PM

Many Obama supporters believe Obama made a good choice by picking Biden, and yes Biden's experience will help Obama so he was not a bad choice. But Obama made a very poor political mistake by not vetting Hillary and failing to realize that she energized 18 million voters that he needs to win against McCain.

Obama and Michelle's personal feelings about Hillary have caused them to make a political mistake. I hope as president he will he will not make the same political mistakes because he will surrounded be people he does not like, but support he needs.

Posted by: edabel | August 24, 2008 9:18 PM

I'm a Republican and hate McCain. You guys should have stuck with Hilary.

Damn it to hell, now I WILL have to vote for McCain!

Posted by: InTheKnow | August 24, 2008 9:20 PM

Hi, I'm a Republican. I'm going to make online posts pretending to be a Hillary supporter. I will then express that I'm really upset about what happened in the primaries and declare that I will never vote for Obama.

I think it will actually influence the real Hillary voters to stay home in November.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 9:27 PM

Cant wait for all you pro-lifers and die hard republicans voting for McCain to hate having a few extra bucks and an economy!

Im sure all of you on this board are "rich" in McCains mind (5+ mil) and love the tax cuts.

Ahh vote on Babies and Church in school... the things that really matter and have helped this country advance in the last 8 years!

Posted by: John | August 24, 2008 9:31 PM

AsperGurl, now you sound like your making sense -- McLame/Rice '08! That's the ticket! Just one teeny problem, Gurl; it ain't gonna happen! McLame does not want someone who is smarter than he is (894/899 from the Naval Academy versus Condi earning a doctorate in Russian studies and past president of Stanford). A black woman, too? You have lost your mind if you think McLame will pick her over a Mitt Romney or some other white guy! So no "game-changing" picks on the rethuglican side. Nice of you to play though. Please come back stage where we have some nice going-away prizes for you. Have a nice day!

Posted by: Black and Bitter Like Coffee | August 24, 2008 9:32 PM

Hi, I, too, am a Republican. I'm going to make online posts pretending to be a Hillary supporter, too. I will then express that I'm really upset about what happened in the primaries and declare that I will never vote for Obama.

I think it will actually influence the real Hillary voters to stay home in November.

Posted by: Dittohead | August 24, 2008 9:39 PM

flyfisher said - "Bush's disregard for our electorate's constitutional rights has been just awful. So why should Obama follow his lead? Ugh. A traitor to the United States Constitution (that is someone who does not uphold it) is a traitor regardless of their partisan affiliation.

It is unfortunate that so many have flocked to Obama just because he is of mixed race. The issue of one's qualifications should always transcend one's race and Obama's resume is undeniably thin.

I believe the United States and its electorate is in a no win situation regardless of whether Obama or McCain is elected. I hope I am wrong about Obama. But I do not think so."

Exactly! I couldn't have said it better.

Posted by: Krishna | August 24, 2008 9:40 PM

HA HA HA HA HA! THAT'S WHAT IS SO PATHETIC ABOUT THE DEM. BOTS FOR "OBAMA BIN BIDEN" (oh, how I LOVE THAT EXPRESSION-IT MAKES ME LAUGH ENDLESSLY!)

A LANG-RUN HIDE AND WATCH-I'LL BE HERE AFTER THE ELECTIONS-AND MARK MY WORDS-WE DEMS. WILL BE CROSSING BY THE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS TO VOTE FOR MCCAIN/ROMNEY-MITT ROMNEY-WHO MAY WELL BE THE MOST BRILLIANT AND BEST-QUALIFIED CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT SINCE BILL CLINTON-ROMNEY IS AWESOME-HE WITH HIS VAST FINANCIAL/BUSINESS AND POLITICAL EXPERIENCE-HE'S BRILLIANT-AND HGE SPEAKS FLUENT FRENCH!

AND MCCAIN WITH HIS WELL-HONED FOREIGN POLICY EXPERTISE-SORRY, BUT MCCAIN CAN RUN CIRCLES AROUND THAT DOPE PLAGIARIST-SELF-PROMOTER BIDEN! MCCAIN WAS RIGHT, AND LIEBERMAN WRONG, WHEN HE SAID THAT IRAN WAS ARMING AL-QAEDA IN IRAQ-MCCAIN HAD A VERY MEASURED YET STRONG RESPONSE TO THE ISSUES WITH GEORGIA AND RUSSIA-UNLIKE CRAZY BIDEN-WHO RUNS OVER TO GEORGIA IN A SHOW OF NUTTY SUPPORT FOR SASKATCHVILI!-WHAT A LIGHTWEIGHT BIDEN IS!

AND OBAMA-DONE NOTHING HIS ENTIRE LIFE EXCEPT EFF OFF-REMEMBER-OBAMA IS NOT A PEOPLE PERSON, AND HE DOESN'T DO DIFFICULT-IF IT'S DIFFICULT HIS UNDERLINGS DO IT-HE'S NEVER DONE A DAMN THING HIS ENTIRE LIFE!

IT WILL BE MCCAIN/ROMNEY IN A LANDSLIDE COME NOVEMBER, AND ALL THE POLLS IN THE WORLD WON'T CHANGE THAT FACT!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 9:44 PM

Lot's of hatred in this forum. I'll just say simply that there are many of us who are unabashedly, 100 percent behind the Obama-Biden ticket. This an excellent team that will carry America forward into this new century. McCain is an honorable man who has served his country. But I'm afraid he would just continue the Bush Administration's failed policies. I'm saddened that so many on this forum are disappointed with the candidates this election season. I think it's one of the strongest groups of candidates this country has seen in years. God bless you and God bless America!

Posted by: Obama-Biden08 | August 24, 2008 9:45 PM

YEAH, I KNOW, IF YOU ARE AGAINST THE TWO KNUCKLEHEADS OBAMA BIN BIDEN, YOU'RE "HATEFUL"-THAT'S KIDDIE SPEECH TALKING!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 9:48 PM

What a resume, failed his R.O.T.C. course, in the pocket of the major credit card companies, no administrative, military or business experience. Not one piece of legislation bearing his name in 36 years in the Senate......What has this man done in 40 years other then slop at the public trough. His seniority allowed him to be on any committee he wanted. What experience other then sit a two committees....what experience are they talking about.
Where are you Hillary?????????

Posted by: starryperdun | August 24, 2008 9:48 PM

Mr. 911 Giuliani, the certifiably insane nutjob that has nothing at all to recommend him other than not falling apart during 911? Give me a break. I wouldn't have my dog take advice from this loser.

Posted by: Johnson | August 24, 2008 9:52 PM

And McCain is an unabashed admirer and friend of Hillary Rodham Clinton,
McCain voted for BOTH Democratic Supreme Court Justices (yeah, I know, you didn't know that, did you, Obamabots?) Ginsberg and Breyer-those two Hillary and McCain- in a race would have fought well, and hard BUT WITH VAST MUTUAL RESPECT FOR EACH OTHER! IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A BRILLIANT WELL-FOUGHT PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN- BUT NO, WE'RE LEFT WITH THIS DRECK-OBAMA BIN BIDEN!

I wouldn't be surprised IN THE LEAST IF, IN THE POLLING BOOTH, THE CLINTONS PULL THE LEVER FOR MCCAIN/ROMNEY-JUST LIKE MILLIONS OF OTHERS DEMS. ACROSS THE COUNTRY WILL DO!


AND OBAMA/BIDEN WILL JOIN THE TRASH HEAP OF FAILED DEM. POLITICAL CAMPAIGNS-JUST LIKE ALL THEIR DEM. BRETHEREN FOR THE LAST 8 YEARS-THE DEM. PARTY IS PATHETIC! SIMPLY PATHETIC! PELOSI CANNOT LEAVE SOON ENOUGH!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 9:54 PM

Senator Barack Obama is too far to the left and is ultra liberal. The illegal immigration is the most important issue to me and the black voters who vote for Obama will be signing their own deaths. Illegal immigration is destroying many black neighborhoods with the influx of Central Americans/Mexicans and in the low wage jobs, education, healthcare, housing, public safety, etc. Whites citizens are affected too with the illegal immigration crisis. Many of you fools who have been blinded by Barack Obama skin color of being a black man will reap what you have sowed when you voted for this man. I refuse to vote for John McCain either, because he's old azz will not do anything about the illegal immigration issue either. John McCain and his white wealthy wife is elitist and cannot related to the average U.S. citizen. I blame white America (Congress) for the illegal immigration issue for their greed for cheap labor. Now we all have to suffer from the illegal immigration madness.

Posted by: Black Ward 4 D.C. Democrat | August 24, 2008 9:56 PM

Senator Barack Obama is too far to the left and is ultra liberal. The illegal immigration crisis is the most important issue to me and the black voters who vote for Obama will be signing their own deaths. Illegal immigration is destroying many black neighborhoods with the influx of Central Americans/Mexicans and in the low wage jobs, education, healthcare, housing, public safety, etc. Whites citizens are affected too with the illegal immigration crisis. Many of you fools who have been blinded by Barack Obama skin color of being a black man will reap what you have sowed when you voted for this man. I refuse to vote for John McCain either, because he's old azz will not do anything about the illegal immigration issue either. John McCain and his white wealthy wife is elitist and cannot related to the average U.S. citizen. I blame white America (Congress) for the illegal immigration issue for their greed for cheap labor. Now we all have to suffer from the illegal immigration madness.

Posted by: Black Ward 4 D.C. Democrat | August 24, 2008 9:58 PM

Senator Barack Obama is too far to the left and is ultra liberal. The illegal immigration crisis is the most important issue to me and the black voters who vote for Obama will be signing their own deaths. Illegal immigration is destroying many black neighborhoods with the influx of Central Americans/Mexicans and in low wage jobs, education, healthcare, housing, public safety, etc. White citizens are affected too with the illegal immigration crisis. Many of you fools who have been blinded by Barack Obama skin color of being a black man will reap what you have sowed when you voted for this man. I refuse to vote for John McCain either, because he's old azz will not do anything about the illegal immigration issue either. John McCain and his white wealthy wife is elitist and cannot related to the average U.S. citizen. I blame white America (Congress) for the illegal immigration issue for their greed for cheap labor. Now we all have to suffer from the illegal immigration madness.

Posted by: Black Ward 4 D.C. Democrat | August 24, 2008 10:00 PM

Black Ward 4-FROM SOMEONE IN WARD 3, LET ME SAY, DON'T BE SO QUICK TO WRITE OFF MCCAIN/ROMNEY-HE'S OLD, BUT SO IS THE NUTCASE BIDEN, AND I'LL TELL YOU, YOU MIGHT WELL BE SURPRISED AT HOW DYNAMIC A DUO THE MCCAIN/ROMNEY TICKET WILL BE-FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOTHING IN THIS COUNTRY-IT WILL BE A REAL TEST FOR THEM, TO SHOW WHAT THEY CAN DO FOR THE POOR AND WORKING CLASS IN THIS COUNTRY, IF THEY WANT 4 MORE YEARS AFTER THE FIRST 4!

AND REMEMBER, MITT ROMNEY INSTITUTED A FORM OF HEALTH INSURANCE FOR ALL MASS. CITIZENS WHEN HE WAS GOV-THAT'S NOT SO REPUBLICAN, NOW IS IT? I'D LIKE TO SEE THE TWO OF THEM -MCCAIN-ROMNEY-DO THE SAME WHEN THEY GET ELECTED!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 10:06 PM

Senator Barack Obama is too far to the left and is ultra liberal. The illegal immigration crisis is the most important issue to me and the black voters who vote for Obama will be signing their own deaths. Illegal immigration is destroying many black neighborhoods with the influx of Central Americans/Mexicans and in low wage jobs, education, healthcare, housing, public safety, etc. White citizens are affected too with the illegal immigration crisis. Many of you fools who have been blinded by Barack Obama skin color of being a black man will reap what you have sowed when you vote for this man. I refuse to vote for John McCain either, because he's old azz will not do anything about the illegal immigration issue either. John McCain and his white wealthy wife is elitist and cannot relate to the average U.S. citizen. I blame white America (Congress/Presidents) for the illegal immigration issue for their greed for cheap labor. Now we all have to suffer from the illegal immigration madness. You see it everyday on the streets in the Washington, D.C. metropolitan area, Central American/Mexican women are pregnant pushing a child in a stroller with three or more children at their side. Anchor babies born to illegal alien Central/South American-Mexican women are destroying our education system, over burdening housing, healthcare, and public safety. What a mess!!!!!

Posted by: Black Ward 4 D.C. Resident | August 24, 2008 10:07 PM

What a resume, Joe Biden failed his R.O.T.C. course, in the pocket of the major credit card companies, no administrative, military or business experience. Not one piece of legislation bearing his name in 36 years in the Senate......What has this man done in 40 years other then slop at the public trough. His seniority allowed him to be on any committee he wanted. What experience other then sit a two committees....what experience are they talking about.
Where are you Hillary?????????

Posted by: Starryperdun | August 24, 2008 10:10 PM

obama chose mccain
what a clown

Posted by: lol | August 24, 2008 10:12 PM

To the so called Ward 3 D.C. resident. Let me send some of these dam dirty third world living Salvadorans/Central Americans west of Rock Creek Park into Ward 3. You would understand how myself and other middle class educated blacks feel in Ward 4 feel in seeing our neighborhoods been over flooded with Central Americans and Ethiopians helping to trash our neighborhoods. Now we have dangerous Salvadoran gangs in Ward 4. Old azz McCain/Romey along with Obama/Biden will not do a dam thing to address this issue. If I sound mad, I am outraged.

Posted by: Black Ward 4 D.C. Democrat | August 24, 2008 10:13 PM

Attn W. Post:

This thread is an excellent example of the futility of 'comment' responses to articles. Stop the madness, end user generated content Now!

Posted by: stop the madness | August 24, 2008 10:15 PM

To the so called Ward 3 D.C. resident. Let me send some of these dam dirty third world living Salvadorans/Central Americans west of Rock Creek Park into Ward 3. You will understand how myself and other middle class educated blacks feel in Ward 4 in seeing our neighborhoods beening over flooded with Central Americans and Ethiopians helping to trash our neighborhoods. Now we have dangerous Salvadoran gangs in Ward 4. Old azz McCain/Romey along with Obama/Biden will not do a dam thing to address this issue. If I sound mad, I am outraged. I AM AGAINST ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND I WANT ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS OUT OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD. Prince William County, Virginia government had the courage to take a stand against illegal immigration, but liberal left wing Mayor Adrian M. Fenty and the D.C. Council will not do a darn thing to get illegal aliens out of the District of Columbia. Montgomery County Maryland liberal politicians will not take a stand either.

I will not vote for Grandpa Munster McCain and Herman Munster Obama in November 2008.

Posted by: Black Ward 4 D.C. Democrat | August 24, 2008 10:18 PM

I can't imagine Clinton would have ever made a good choice as VP. She's too strong for a position like that, even if it would have fired up the Democratic party (die hard Obama supporters seem to forget that she got almost half the vote in the primaries and the majority of the votes after super tuesday...and for all the talk of "Operation Chaos"...who actually got all those democratic-not republican votes?)

Obama is pretty much Bush redux. He's running virtually the same campaign. And the American people are once again eating it up. I'm no idealist. I'm very much a supporter of doing what it takes to win as an idealist who looses = nothing. So, I have no personal issues with what either McCain or Obama have done to their messages in order to sway voters. I do, however, find it more than mildly amusing at the legions of die-hard liberals who continue to support Obama for being the type of politician he's showing himself not to be. Having been raised by liberal activists, watching them act like fools does bring me some private glee.

Biden isn't a bad or good pick. Ultimately he will have no bearing. VP very rarely does. Yes, Clinton would have made this election pretty much an automatic win for Obama, but it would have been a bad working relationship. Besides, this is still almost an automatic win for Obama regardless of what the silly polls say (and the vast majority of voters I'm certain aren't even bothering to pay attention till November anyways).

Posted by: Drew | August 24, 2008 10:25 PM

It's also an example of how sad and angry so many people are in this country, and how we've come to feel it's ok to be extremely disrespectful in our disagreements. I may be for Obama and against McCain in the election, but that doesn't preclude my also feeling that McCain is loyal American doing what he believes is right. This name-calling is depressing.

Posted by: Obama-Biden08 | August 24, 2008 10:33 PM

I agree with Griffin.

Posted by: Sarah | August 24, 2008 10:45 PM

So Obama is so insecure re foreign affairs that he got someone to deal with it and to answer that 3 a.m. phone call. How in the world would he be able to handle issues with the forceful leaders of Iran, Russia, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, etc.? Or does he plan take Biden with him everywhere so Biden can make the decisions? A VP is not suppose to be President.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 10:45 PM

Stop the madness wrote:

Attn W. Post:

This thread is an excellent example of the futility of 'comment' responses to articles. Stop the madness, end user generated content Now!

Posted by: stop the madness | August 24, 2008 10:15 PM "
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Let me guess. Someone wrote something you don't agree with, but rather than take the time and effort to refute the arguments you advocate muzzling everyone. You advocate striping Americans of their First Amendment Rights.

Do you realize what a Facsist/Nazi that makes you look like? These comment sections should be required of every online press outlet. It gives the average American an outlet to state their opinions along side stories of the day. In the future, historians will read each and everyone of the comments and find them far more useful and important than the stories.

And given that most of the comments are anti-Obummer I can only assume that you are one of his Kool-Aid drinking acolytes who professes to champion our civil rights but, as your post shows, are hostile to everyone and everything that gets in the way of the anointed one, even our Constitution.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 11:04 PM

Strange that the dems would make an issue of McCain's housing, considering how Mr. O got his Chicago house.

Posted by: silly_putty | August 24, 2008 11:20 PM

Biden pushing himself as Catholic makes me sick, he is a cultural Catholic and should be excommunicated for his promotion of abortion

Biden's own bishop, Bishop Michael Saltarelli of Wilmington, Del., has said that the issues pertaining to the sanctity of human life are the "great civil rights issues of this generation."
Bishop Saltarelli denounced the notion that politicians can 'personally oppose' abortion, but refuse to pass laws protecting the unborn.

"No one today would accept this statement from any public servant: 'I am personally opposed to human slavery and racism but will not impose my personal conviction in the legislative arena.' Likewise, none of us should accept this statement from any public servant: "I am personally opposed to abortion but will not impose my personal conviction in the legislative arena," said Bishop Saltarelli.

In fact, Bishop Saltarelli made clear that pro-abortion Catholic politicians should refrain from receiving the Eucharist.

"The promotion of abortion by any Catholic is a grave and serious matter. Objectively, according to the constant teaching of the Scriptures and the Church, it would be more spiritually beneficial for such a person to refrain from receiving the Body and Blood of Christ. I ask Catholics in this position to have the integrity to respect the Eucharist, Catholic teaching and the Catholic faithful."

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 11:31 PM

The election is Obama's and Biden's to lose. If Hillary's sisterhood dosen't get
on the bus and the Democrats do lose because of it, Roe vs Wade will be repealed by the next Republican conservative Supreme Court judge Believe it Ladies,blame yourselves when you have to go to Sweden to terminate an unwanted pregnancy. No exception for rape.Please wise up.

Posted by: Richard | August 24, 2008 11:54 PM

B.O. will come to regret picking a washed up pol as his running mate.

McCain will be our next president. Amen!

Posted by: Marc | August 24, 2008 11:58 PM

Biden pushing himself as Catholic makes me sick, he is a cultural Catholic and should be excommunicated for his promotion of abortion

Biden's own bishop, Bishop Michael Saltarelli of Wilmington, Del., has said that the issues pertaining to the sanctity of human life are the "great civil rights issues of this generation."
Bishop Saltarelli denounced the notion that politicians can 'personally oppose' abortion, but refuse to pass laws protecting the unborn.

"No one today would accept this statement from any public servant: 'I am personally opposed to human slavery and racism but will not impose my personal conviction in the legislative arena.' Likewise, none of us should accept this statement from any public servant: "I am personally opposed to abortion but will not impose my personal conviction in the legislative arena," said Bishop Saltarelli.

In fact, Bishop Saltarelli made clear that pro-abortion Catholic politicians should refrain from receiving the Eucharist.

"The promotion of abortion by any Catholic is a grave and serious matter. Objectively, according to the constant teaching of the Scriptures and the Church, it would be more spiritually beneficial for such a person to refrain from receiving the Body and Blood of Christ. I ask Catholics in this position to have the integrity to respect the Eucharist, Catholic teaching and the Catholic faithful."

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 11:31 PM


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EXACTLY The reason why we need to vote McCain out.

The fact they want to impose their views on a country that is supposed to be a melting pot is bastardly! Obama is right to say its to god to choose, why should a president push religious beliefs onto a free country??

Look where these all mighty god loving and fearing (at least make it look like it to get power) politicians have taken us. They have swindled your minds into thinking war is good and all these aggressions by other countries "just happen".

All you religious freaks and PUMA nutso's need to really get your head out your butts and see where this country has headed under Bush and his regime.

Cheney was drummimg up plans on how to instigate a war with Iran by trying to frame them and trick the american population into a war with them. Dont you see what these people are doing to the country, but I guess youd rather your kids die in a war to spread the christian religion. Seems to be the standard of the last 2000 years.

Posted by: John | August 25, 2008 12:02 AM

So now the GOP has buyer's remorse and all sorts of great advice for the Dems. Could they be hoping for a miracle at the convention....with a roll call acclamation vote for Hillary ? I suppose they figured she'd be a pushover to beat in November. Not so, you're dealing with a kid from the south side of Chicago now, and you're yesterday's news Herr Rove.

Posted by: thorninurside | August 25, 2008 12:06 AM

Ed Rendell, born in The Bronx, had it right.

Joe Biden will grow on the American people.

LIKE CANCER!!!!!

Posted by: David S. Levine | August 25, 2008 12:36 AM

This is depressing. Good People become monsters. Can't we just redesign and update this voting business to a 21st century knowledge level and figure out a way to work together instead of against each other? All that precious energy wasted with hate and accusations.

Posted by: anna | August 25, 2008 1:06 AM

Obama and Biden both have the same used car dealer smile.

They are trying to sell ice to Eskimos. Hillary supporters "ain't buyin' it".

I have known "do nothin'" Joe Biden for too long. They can't stand him in Pennsylvania and nobody knows him outside of the DC Beltway.

Biden wanted to divide Iraq into 3 parts Shiite, Sunni and Kurd. What a fool? Just look how Russia invaded the divided Georgia.
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Obama will surely lose in November without Hillary on the ticket. I feel like Obamabots are relishing in Hillary not getting VP just as we will relish getting McCain in the White House 2008.
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I have donated to the Dem party and registered hundreds of voter. I am a dem not a republican. Obama paid off superdelegates to get the nomination. It should have been Hillary and she would have beaten McCain.

Posted by: Grace | August 25, 2008 1:19 AM

Mr. "It's above my pay grade" Obama and Mr."Do nothing" Biden make a pretty losing ticket.
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I lied to 20 Democrats in my community this weekend and told them I am happy with the Biden VP choice and am voting Democrat.

This is called the Bradley effect. Voters lie to everyone to save face and not look racist but vote for the other candidate.

Obama campaign really thinks we are going to vote for him. We say we are but that come November we are going to vote for the guy we can sit and have a beer with-McCain.

Obama is a sexist, narscist, arrogant weak fool who is very inexperienced.

Posted by: Grace | August 25, 2008 1:50 AM

You seriously cant beleive that the Media "gave the nomination" to Obama!!. Hillary had Way more press coverage, positive press coverage as the " presumed to win" for a year before the whole primary season got rolling.She was the "to Be " in all but a few polls, and press stories leading up to the fateful first caucaus, and she had no plan of what to do IF, possibly she doesnt do as well as everyone "presumed" she would.
Even i "presumed " it would be next to impossible for anyone, especially Obama to beat her in any contest.Actually, i figured it would be between her and Edwards, with Barry pulling up for a Veep consideration.
This country decided differently,and the tables turned.She caught up at the end of the race, when the hard fights and long delagate counts had allready been won.
Its over, and she is the better person for quieting her followers.Not to put you down, not to diminish what a woman has accomplished in our lifetime,but for the same reason as you would want everyone to get behind her if she had won.
And another true fact, lookit up yourself, but the only reason she received so many votes is the Limbaugh Divide, lillions of republicans got out and voted for her , not because they wanted to support her, but because they knew they had a better chance of beating her than anyone else on the ticket. So, could she have done as well as Obama??? maybe! would it have been an up hill battle for her??You bet, like climbing mount everest.Not because of her race or gender, but because who she is, and the history she has with her husband in mind.
The race for the nomination is over, was over even before she held out to the very last, and its time we move on.If you think spite will sate your feelings or position, well, i wish you luck voting against your party. If you care for yourself as a woman, or as a true Liberal, you could never vote for a party who beleives its their right to make decisions about your body, to legislate right and wrong between people who love and live more strongly than those who wish to keep them down,and to diminish this country's standing in the world to the dark ages, darkness we have only seen a glimpse of in this country and in these times.

Posted by: mullett | August 25, 2008 2:15 AM

Despite Giuliani's poorly strategized campaign, it would be stupid to dismiss what he says out of hand simply because he lost. Should we thus dismiss everything Biden says out of hand over the next 3 months because the guy could barely get 1%?
And even though he obviously is making these comments because of party affiliation, don't you think there are plenty of Democrats thinking the same thing who don't speak out because of party affiliation?

While Biden is the best choice compared to Bayh and Kaine, Hillary would have been better. She garnered 50% of the vote, and Obama has been having trouble ever since getting the female vote. At this time, with Democrats as a party up 15% nationwide, Obama SHOULD NOT be tied with McCain. As one of the most charismatic speakers in our nation's history, and with the unpopular war, poor economic situation, and incredibly unpopular president, he should be destroying McCain by more than 15% at this point.

He should have picked Hillary to heal a party that remains fractured. She comes with baggage, but the benefits of a united, excited, unified party outweigh the harms.

Posted by: seth | August 25, 2008 2:54 AM

an undeniably wise choice...come together people!

Posted by: gerald Sullivan | August 25, 2008 2:59 AM

"They're equally good tickets. Hillary Clinton obviously has a longer relationship with a broader spectrum of voters, women voters," he said on CBS's "Face the Nation." "But Joe Biden's going to grow on the American people very fast."

Yeah, like a wart.

Posted by: Scott | August 25, 2008 6:55 AM

I'm pleased and proud to say that I voted for Hillary here in Wisconsin and WILL NOT vote for this too left ticket in November.

I know John McCain. I can live with him as President.

Obama and his supporters are whining, race-baiting, far -eft extremists. Obama is not ready to be President and I doubt he ever will be. Joe Biden mocks women and is a Zionist. The crack about his wife in Springfield on Saturday is unbelievably stupid, but typical.

Obama sending out his silly text message at 3 a.m. to announce his running mate is really shallow and small. It's an obvious slam to the Clintons because of the "It's 3 a.m." ad that the Clinton campaign began running during the Texas primary. So much for being magnanimous and forgiving your party political foes. So much for going through the difficult but politically necessary motions of telling Hillary in advance who his choice is going to be. She did, after all, convince 18 million of us that she is the best-qualified person to be president. To completely discount her is unforgivable.

Obama has shown himself to be vindictive and small in character. I don't want him making decision for me as President.

Posted by: PoliticalPuck | August 25, 2008 7:48 AM

Well this Hillary supporter will definitely vote for Obama. He is virtually identical in his platform, and now with Biden he has an experienced mentor by his side. Can't imagine 4 more years of this garbage, and that's what McCain brings to the table. If you're a dem and you vote for McSame, SHAME ON YOU!

PS - did you ever stop to think that maybe Hillary DIDNT WANT the VP job????

Posted by: Hillary Guy | August 25, 2008 12:56 PM

Considering the whole Hillary thing, sending out a cutsie text message at all is in poor taste, whether it arrived at 3am or not.

This was a highly sensitive issue and since he wasn't going to pick Hillary anyhow, Obama could have at least announced it in something other than Generation Y style. (If it's not already Generation Z - at this point I've lost track!).

p.s. I am Generation X and just don't think this was very classy. Yuck.

Posted by: Sarah | August 25, 2008 3:48 PM

"How can Gov. Kaine make a mistake about knowing what states share a border with Virginia. He is the leader of Virginia, did he miss his geography lesson in elementary school? Posted by: Greg | August 24, 2008 2:01 PM "

While Virginia doesn't share a border with Delaware, it shares a curious political entity, the Delmarva Peninsula, which politically, seems to be out in its own little world.

Posted by: ceflynline@msn.com | August 25, 2008 8:23 PM

Yay Barack! yay Joe! I'm finally excited about politics. Please God don't let the oil companies fool christians into voting republican again.

Posted by: Kelly Ripa's Bicep | August 25, 2008 11:56 PM

Giuliani and Leiberman as keynote speakers - wake me when it's over. Trying to appeal to those who were disappointed that Hillary did not get the nomination is very predictable but with so many issues to talk about why pick on this? Have they nothing new to say? Oh, wait, that's it - nothing new to say. Well, I guess I'll throw my hat in with Obama -Hillary knows he's ready, the GOP knows it and soon the country will know it!

Posted by: howgirl | August 27, 2008 12:53 PM

Biden was a poor choice for Obama. He has loose lips and many of us remember the WWII warning: "Loose lips sink ships" Biden will sink his ship.

I am a registered Democrat, but am voting for John McCain, a man of integrity, experience,and love of his country.

Posted by: BobK | August 27, 2008 9:31 PM

It may seem that a house divided against itself can find political wherewithal, but the truth is that a house divided against itself cannot stand (Holy Bible reference). This is known by those who have tried divided houses. If the Democratic Convention cannot unify the party, it may be concluded that the party could be divided among itself for the duration. It may seem that party ticket choices are important in the sense of who will best represent the party, but the important matters are not of the ticket absent of value but of the character and principles of the demonstation sans hype and public relations. It may seem that talk is the fundamental matter when a house is divided against itself like Obama is divided against Clinton; yet the truth may be that talk cannot unify without the sensibility to talk about what isn't mentioned when houses are divided. Obama wants to change the government for the betterment of Obama. Clinton supporters already know about change. When candidates want to use change for politcal gain whoever controls the direction of that change gains the directional control. When a house is divided over directional control, that house falls.
It is only a matter of time.

Posted by: Barry Fitz | August 28, 2008 1:20 AM

We should all seek justice for a woman getting bullied and slammed by the Democratic Party. The way to thwart the Obama regime that has usurped our party is to vote against him. I am doing my part as a Democrat to protect democracy and my country by voting for McCain. Clinton may ask me to vote against integrity by letting Obama get away with this corruption...I will NOT COMPLY.

I demand a fair nominating process and I will not reward corruption of this process with my vote. Not to mention that Obama is not qualifies to hold the highest office in the world.

Clinton will be President in 2012. Democrats were foolish to think they could force Obama on us.

Posted by: Shelby | August 28, 2008 10:20 AM

...Joe Biden has a REAl record not the old Al Joleson 78's that McCaint listens to ..

...I haven't laughed this loudly since Rudi Guiliani talked on Frauds News on the so called off shore drilling by CHINA on the coast of Cuba....which was a FRAUD also

Five reasons why Sarah Palin is a laugh-out
loud ridiculious choice!!!

Seriously? Sarah Palin for VP? It's one thing for millions of voters to put forward a sitting senator as a possible commander in chief, but for John McCaint
to hand-pick a first-term governor of a tiny state is bizarre.

Here are five reasons why, if she is the pick, this is a huge mistake:

1. There goes McCain's best argument.

He cannot say Obama is not ready but she is. Obama started organizing his campaign for president the same month she was sworn in to lead the third-smallest state's government.

2. She has no base of support.

Obama won his senate seat with 3,597,456 votes, that's more than five times the population of Alaska. He has won more than 18 million votes in a long, tough primary that tested him and prepared him.

How has she been tested?

She lost her first bid for statewide office, then won the governor's office with 114,697 votes, not a majority, but enough to take office.

And apparently, enough to set her up for the Oval Office.

3. The "woman card" will backfire.

She's no Hillary Clinton..none of the MEN
in the RNC/GOP lie machine could have come
as well it would be different if she were known to anyone or qualified or something.

4. Alaska, a corrupt hinterland.

Yes, she is a hard-nosed, tough reformer. But the McCaint campaign will have to deal with the fact that Alaska seems like a foreign land as corrupt as Louisiana.

It's longtime senator will stand trial smack dab in the middle of this campaign season, and McCaint may have to vote to remove him from office.

Yes, they can spin it that she is someone cleaning up the mess up there, but what Americans realize is that they don't know much about what goes on up there. Will they be comfortable with her?

5. Was this McCaints choice?

It seems clear that McCaintwanted to go with Lieberman but was talked out of it by the right wing of his party. Rove admits calling Lieberman to ask him to pull his name out. Bush lost his way because he never stood up to Rove et. al.

McCaint' once again is headed down the same path to ruin and political suicide

....So McCaint wanted a VP with nothing to add but an ample bosom...how laughable.....and sorely pathetic

McCaint..."The candidate does not speak for the Campaign...."

And what about this.....

So Palin once again bows to the Alaska Outdoors Council which is so worried it might not have enough Alaskan wildlife to kill for trophies, eh?

The federal biologists have shown the polar bears are in trouble.

Alaska state biologists have warned they are in trouble. Even the Natives along the Northern Coastal Plain have noted how things are getting worse for the polar bears.

But, like Palin, there are commenters in this discussion who are willing to sell Alaska down the drain for a few oil-soaked dollars. I can see the true VECO mentality (?) is alive and well and can be found here in their comments.

Palin allows airborne killing of wolves and bears, wants polar bears to remain huntable for trophies, and has generally shown she is even worse than Murkowski could ever have been when it comes to selling out our wildlife to the highest bidder.

...Well if Dick (Satan) Cheney Bush2's VP can kill small fowl from his limousine and shoot other hunters in the face ...great choice McCaint ...a great choice.....

And I guess its all true that.....anothe VP can shoot from flying airplanes heliocopters and other flying dirigibles (balloons)..its okay...

"The Candidate does not speak for the Campaign...."

Posted by: AlexP1 | August 29, 2008 12:33 PM

LaRouche Outlines Organizational Policy Now--Aug. 29, 2008 (LPAC)--Lyndon LaRouche issued the following statement today, for dissemination to all LaRouche PAC members and supporters, as well as the general public.--"The nomination of Senator Barack Obama, as combined with the prospect of the nomination of Senator John McCain, has settled almost nothing other than the fact of those nominations themselves. The world as a whole is presently gripped by a growing potential for a genuine thermonuclear-weapons crisis like never before, at the same time that the greatest financial-economic crisis since Europe's Fourteenth Century has the entire world presently in its grip--whether some governments and leading political figures wish to recognize that reality, or not.--"The present international financial system is hopelessly bankrupt, and could not be saved. It could only be reorganized in a bankrutpcy designed to defend people, not financial speculators.--"Neither of the two referenced candidates has any present capability for successfully meeting the grave challenges of economic breakdowns of entire economies, and threats of nuclear exchanges, which must be expected as serious possibilities between now and November.--"As recent patterns of developments have already shown, we have an intellectual capability of unique importance in this process. Our most prominent role, as through the work of LPAC, is to provide the intellectual leadership on crucial economic and other strategic issues which neither of those candidacies is presently equipped to deal competently without outside advice, including that provided by our initiatives.--"Therefore, our LPAC campaign has far greater importance for the weeks immediately ahead, than at any time prior to this point. We shall therefore mobilize accordingly.''

Posted by: Anonymous | August 29, 2008 10:40 PM

LaRouche Outlines Organizational Policy Now--Aug. 29, 2008 (LPAC)--Lyndon LaRouche issued the following statement today, for dissemination to all LaRouche PAC members and supporters, as well as the general public.--"The nomination of Senator Barack Obama, as combined with the prospect of the nomination of Senator John McCain, has settled almost nothing other than the fact of those nominations themselves. The world as a whole is presently gripped by a growing potential for a genuine thermonuclear-weapons crisis like never before, at the same time that the greatest financial-economic crisis since Europe's Fourteenth Century has the entire world presently in its grip--whether some governments and leading political figures wish to recognize that reality, or not.--"The present international financial system is hopelessly bankrupt, and could not be saved. It could only be reorganized in a bankrutpcy designed to defend people, not financial speculators.--"Neither of the two referenced candidates has any present capability for successfully meeting the grave challenges of economic breakdowns of entire economies, and threats of nuclear exchanges, which must be expected as serious possibilities between now and November.--"As recent patterns of developments have already shown, we have an intellectual capability of unique importance in this process. Our most prominent role, as through the work of LPAC, is to provide the intellectual leadership on crucial economic and other strategic issues which neither of those candidacies is presently equipped to deal competently without outside advice, including that provided by our initiatives.--"Therefore, our LPAC campaign has far greater importance for the weeks immediately ahead, than at any time prior to this point. We shall therefore mobilize accordingly.''

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Aug. 29, 2008 (LPAC)--Lyndon LaRouche issued the following statement today, for dissemination to all LaRouche PAC members and supporters, as well as the general public.

"The nomination of Senator Barack Obama, as combined with the prospect of the nomination of Senator John McCain, has settled almost nothing other than the fact of those nominations themselves. The world as a whole is presently gripped by a growing potential for a genuine thermonuclear-weapons crisis like never before, at the same time that the greatest financial-economic crisis since Europe's Fourteenth Century has the entire world presently in its grip--whether some governments and leading political figures wish to recognize that reality, or not.

"The present international financial system is hopelessly bankrupt, and could not be saved. It could only be reorganized in a bankrutpcy designed to defend people, not financial speculators.

"Neither of the two referenced candidates has any present capability for successfully meeting the grave challenges of economic breakdowns of entire economies, and threats of nuclear exchanges, which must be expected as serious possibilities between now and November.

"As recent patterns of developments have already shown, we have an intellectual capability of unique importance in this process. Our most prominent role, as through the work of LPAC, is to provide the intellectual leadership on crucial economic and other strategic issues which neither of those candidacies is presently equipped to deal competently without outside advice, including that provided by our initiatives.

"Therefore, our LPAC campaign has far greater importance for the weeks immediately ahead, than at any time prior to this point. We shall therefore mobilize accordingly.''
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