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You are allowed to vote for whomever you'd like, Justin. But when the country continues to go to hell in the Clinton handbasket, you need only go as far as your mirror to see why.

Clinton lost. She can parse her loss everyway to hell but the essential fact remains: she lost the primary.

Yes, yes, I know. She's still capable of putting her name up for nomination at the convention but if she has one grain of integrity, she will not allow it. If she has one grain of integrity.

You Clinton supporters really need to move on. Your methods during this post-primary season show clearly why her candidacy died. But I'm sure John McCain thanks ya'alls for your hard work. Kept him from getting his hands dirty.

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The nerve of you people. Why in the hell should myself or any other Clinton supporter or Clinton herself for that matter support Obama. One should vote for the candidate they feel will make the best president. If that person is not Obama then we should be allowed to cast our vote for who we choose. My grand parents did not get beat, maimed and attacked so that I would forced into voting for someone I do not think can lead this country. I intend to vote even in november for the perosn I feel will make the best President even if that means I have to write HER name in. Obama has proven that he does not have the back bone to stand up our civil liberites (check his new record in FISA). Furthermore as a black man I expect much more concern for the constituency that propelled him to the front of the nomination. Make no mistakes it was winning the black vote by 90% in some states that provide him the the proportionally allocated number of delegates to clinch the presumed nomination. That having been said I notice Obama meet with head of the jewish population on many occassions and somehow he managed to prance around Europe yet was glaringly absent from the black state of the union address to which he was invited to be the keynote speak. For someone running as MLK jr's dream come true I find it interesting that he missed the 40th anniversary celebration for King in Memphis this year. Even John Mccain managed to attend. Obama should consider himself a disgrace to the black community and the legacy of MY ancestors not his(they were back in Kenya or perhaps the other half was busy exploiting my people). I am not fooled by this man, I am not interested in the first Black president reaching that office by putting his race on the back burner. I am not interested in Jim Crowing my way into the white house. I could go on with a list of reason why I will not vote for him, none of which have anything to do with Hillary Clinton. Stop assuming that all of her supporters are delusional and bitter. Some of us know how to make an informed and impartial decision using our own brains. I do not need Obama or the DNC to think for me. Quite frankly Obama will not be a better candidate that Mccain as far as Im concerned, he does nothing but pander to whomever yells at him the loudest.

Hillary deserves the right to have her name placed in nomination just like Howard Dean, Jesse Jackson and Shirley Chilsom none of who had close to enough delegates to clinch the nomination. Speak the truth people the DNC doesnt want her name in rotation because she acquire nearly as many delegates and nearly a million more votes than Barry Obama. Get over that fact!

Either way it doesn't matter because men are men and they all operate the same way. Good luck for the next four years. For those of you weary of a Mccain presidency it doesnt even matter because the best chance you had to getting this country back on track you forced out the way.

elzelchitro

I got news for you kamikaze PUMAS who are planning to hijack the convention. If the Democratic party buckles under and throws Obama over because morons like you are threatening to destroy the Democratic party otherwise, I would rather eat glass than vote for anyone you would be for. Hillary will never win without us in November and when she and you all do what you really want: cause so much trouble to destroy Obama so McCain wins and so HRC can run in 2012, good frigging luck. She won't win. They'll kick her out of the Democratic party and you all can be Republicans, just like you really are. Maybe if you're real good you can have a dream date with your buddy Rush Limbaugh. And if you behave, maybe, just maybe, you can have his love chilld.

I agree with Dwayne T. and Ben:

Obama will be nominated. It is what it is.

So, boys and girls, the question then becomes: shall we lose sight of the big picture, namely, defeating McCain??? I surely hope not. If you care about the COUNTRY more than your bruised feelings or offended sensibilities, you'll help us make sure that McCain and the Republicans are defeated in November. It's a BIGGER DEAL to get this right than it is to complain, however real the justification (like you, I despise misogyny), about the nomination process.

For the record, I would have been just as pleased to "make history" with the first woman president as with the first person-of-color president. Actually, I don't give a silk sack of meadow muffins about either "making history" story . . . What I care about is getting the country back on the right course. That will not happen with McCain.

Time to get it right, folks.

THE DLC

THE CLINTON ->LIEBERMAN-> MCCAIN/ BUSH CONNECTION.

POWER .NOT. THE PEOPLE

THE DLC.

clinton -> leiberman ->mccain bush connection.

IT'S ALL ABOUT THE POWER.

Operation Chaos needs to die. I'm sure that Rush and his Dido-head followers are delighted to see the fanaticism of HRC and her supporters, but unless they want four more years of Bush, under John W McCain, they need to get behind Obama before the convention.
Ask yourself, "Who would better stand for my values, Obama or McCain". before continuing act the way right-wingers want you to.

Obama supporters are very low and unlogical, they proved their qualification through comments. I disappointed them and Obama everyday. I don't understand why Obama supporters said Primary election was fair. It wasn't fair and square at all, why they want to bury Hillary? Why, Why they don't want give the chance to competite fairly and openly? What do they worry about? if election was fair. I would like to ask Obama supporters watch their language about Hillary Clinton, you don't respect Hillary, Obama will never be respected by American voters, REMEMBER IT.
I was a lifelong Democrats, I changed to Independence, because I am sick and tired with vulgar Obama supporters and stupid DNC. Republican party handled Primary election very well, Dean, Pelosi, Kennedy, Kerry DNC staffs made a huge mistake.

Ugh to "Shes Back" :(

In the word of Remember the Titans "They will know that we were here!"

When it is all said and done, you will all know that Hillary and her 18 million were here.

And, it will be recorded in history for all.

They played the games to block her from the field, but she found another way on the playing field. 18 million ways! Never count us out!

bewildered, I'm with you.
The media is trying to create false drama by raising the possibility of HRC as BO's veep -- Just as they kept falsely reporting that the BO/HRC race was neck-and-neck long after she had no mathematical chance of winning. This veep business is the same bogus media game: my BO veeplong list has her below Kwame Kilpatrick and Al Cowlings.
How can you pick someone as veep who went millions of dollars into debt to continue an already-lost campaign for the sole purpose of damaging you in the general election, whose campaign message was you can't win because you're black, who openly wished for something bad to happen to you (we won't say what), and whose husband, to date, has refused to admit you are qualified? What crazed narcissism is that by the Hillarians and Harpies? When does this childish, bigoted, self-absorbed junk end? If you lose, you shake hands with the winner and support him, or you slither into the night. You don't hold grudges, encourage mentals to act irrationally (or criminally), or try to "enshrine the whine" at the convention.
bwild, I stopped watching the blowhard political shows; I got the sports package and now I can see the Tennis Channel, the NFL Channel, the NBA Channel, and ESPN Classic. Word of advice: Fork over about 10 dollars more to the cable folks and do the same. This HRC performance art is too much.
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Posted by: bewildered | August 7, 2008 10:59 AM

THE CAMPAIGN THAT WOULD NOT DIE

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

I turned on the TV, CSPAN, and there are repeated calls for Hillary for VP.

I turned to Fox news, Hillary for VP.

I am afraid to go to CNN, Clinton News Network, for fear of what I might find.

It is amazing to me how a few disgruntled people, with the help of the networks and cable companies, can keep a campaign alive.

To prove that I can lie with the best of them:

I was a Republican who switched to Democrat to support Hillary Clinton, (in the primaries) and if she does not get the nomination, I will go back to the Republican Party and vote for McCain.

So there!!!!!!!!

Did anybody ever count how many Hillary primary votes were actually cast by Republicans? Are the not counted in her totals. Should they be?

BB: I am not a great typist and I do move to fast. Lastly, I never proof read anything because I have staff for that.

Nonetheless, void my spelling or incorrect word use, my points raised are valid.

That is why you took a moment to respond to me personally---RIGHT?

You folks frighten me. Obama owes Hillary nothing. Hillary owes Obama nothing. But the truth is, they both need each other. They aren't the problem, they understand this. The problem is their supporters who have their hurt feelings and pride where their brains should be. You sound like rabid fans before the Super Bowl. Without Obama,those millions of cracks in Hillary's glass ceiling will splinter and come crashing down on Roe v. Wade. Without Hillary, Obama will be another step in the civil rights struggle that didn't go anywhere but the history books. If you don't plan to put your differences aside, you'd better start practicing your "it's their fault" speeches for when McCain gets in office.

"IT IS A NO BRAINER HILLARY WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN TALK FROM HER BRAIN AND KNOWS THE FACTS THAT DOESN"T NEED TO READ VERBATUM off the teleprompter...WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU...COME ON AMERICA WE CAN"T NOT AFFORD TO WASTE ANOTHER 4 more years like the last 8 LETS PUSH FOR HILLARY TO GO TO THE CONVENTION AND AT LEAST HONOR THE l8 million who voted for her!!"
thanks

The article pasted from IBD is at least a true Republican statement i.e.'give me all I can get and let the devil take the hindmost, and quite a few rows beyond.' There is a certain honesty in the blatant disregard for human needs that Republicans profess.
I do question that Reagan improved the living standards for very many ordinary folk. I didn't see the 'trickle down' trickling very far down.
Without question It is fascinating, and very much a "hello, Ronnie" to see all this old Commie-stuff brought out of the closet and dusted off to use against Barack. Seems like old times.
IBD might want to question whether it wants to give kindness and caring about 'the least of these' over to the Communists, Marxists and Socialists.
The last time I looked, it was someone the Republicans claim to revere above all, that suggested we care for those less fortunate.
Oops, now I had to go and bring that up. Here I go again. Shame on me.

"the most exciting primaries in the history of the USA stopped DEAD when Hillary was forced out by the media and her own ignorant party!"

Also, we ran out of states. Someone needs to get on adding some more.

Fortunately Madame and Chairman Clinton only continue to cast a spell upon a few million hard core followers. The vast majority of those who voted for Hillary support Barack.

Some who voted for Clinton did so because they will not vote for an African-American for president. They voted for her more as an anti-Obama vote than as being pro-Clinton. This represents probably about 15% of those who voted for her. Some of these were independents and Republicans able to vote in the Democratic primaries. There is nothing Barack can do to win these votes.

Of the remaining persons, there are likely a couple million women who voted for Clinton primarily because she was a viable female candidate and are bitter she lost. Some of these will probably not vote for Barack. However, those who are hesitant to vote for him and supported her positions on most issues would not seem to want a virtual third Bush term with ith the needy neglected, millions of Americans losing health care, the occupation of Iraq going on, the rich retaining their tax cuts, conservative Supreme Court justices in the majority, likely more wars, belligerent foreign policies, etc.

The Clinton campaign debt is a phony issue. Why don't four million of her strongest supporters give $4 each, the cost to buy a gallon of gas to help pay off her debt. Is this too much of a financial sacrifice for them, especially given their supposed faith in her? Bill could give several speeches, talking about his favorite subject, to pay off the balance.

Are people ever going to come out and start pushing for a real candidate to be in this race...Obama has NO experience..that means he has NO good judement in fixing the mess this country is in because of the last PRESIDENT WITH NO experience!! Now the choice is old goat McCain with no financial experience..by his own admission..and more of the same 400 million a day on a war depleting our country of innocent soldiers and our economy!! IT IS A NO BRAINER HILLARY WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN TALK FROM HER BRAIN AND KNOWS THE FACTS THAT DOESN"T NEED TO READ VERBATUM off the teleprompter...WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU...COME ON AMERICA WE CAN"T NOT AFFORD TO WASTE ANOTHER 4 more years like the last 8 LETS PUSH FOR HILLARY TO GO TO THE CONVENTION AND AT LEAST HONOR THE l8 million who voted for her!! No one even cares about these other two clowns..the most exciting primaries in the history of the USA stopped DEAD when Hillary was forced out by the media and her own ignorant party!No one even watches the news anymore ..and they use to around the clock! Democrates only shot in hell is for Hillary to get back in the race ..because if we let in this old gesure who knows nothing of the economy and wants more war..there isn't going to be much of a country in 4 years >WAKE UP AMERICA!!!! THERE IS ONLY ONE CANDIDATE THAT CAN HELP AMERICA IF YOU ARE LISTENING TO THE FACTS YOU KNOW IT IS HILLARY CLINTON AND NO her supporters are not going to rally around an illassoiciated unexperienced muslim..not happening..Democratic Party heads are sooooooooooo ingnorant!HILLARY 2008 not 2012!

People, get over it, the primaries are over. Obama won. Now, we can elect Obama, with his presumptuousness, aloof style and impressive oratorical skills who offers some real hope of taking the country out of the mess we are in, or, we can elect McCain and watch our financial system melt down, our image in the world unchanged, and the oil prices shoot through the roof the moment he bombs Iran. You do as you wish, I am casting my vote for Obama, with all his flaws and imperfections, he is still the better choice.

"If Obama wants unity, then why isn't he working harder to pay off Hillary's debt. They made an agreement and she has come through to raise hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars for him, and she handed over many of her endorsed unions and donors. Hillary speaks on his behalf and is constantly working to unify the party."

Yeah, its a hell of a lot easier to get donations for a guy to be elected president than it is to settle someone's personal debt.

Madison - yu ar naught a Hillary supporter. Or a good speler.

BB

"The goal is to retire her debt."

Um, no. The goal is to get a Democrat elected president. The second goal is to get a filibuster proof majority in the Senate.

Clinton's personal finances are WAAAAY down the list.

It is not up to the Clinton's to unify the party. Donna Brazile said that she didn't need us, didn't need the "old party" because they had a new party. Meanwhile, Obama has claimed that he is a uniter. It is the burden of Obama and crew (that includes the DNC) to unite the party.

If Obama wanted to have our votes he shouldn't have allowed the misogyny and the racist accusations to fly at Hillary, Bill, and their supporters.

If Obama wants unity, then why isn't he working harder to pay off Hillary's debt. They made an agreement and she has come through to raise hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars for him, and she handed over many of her endorsed unions and donors. Hillary speaks on his behalf and is constantly working to unify the party.

Obama hasn't done SQUAT. And it's HIS responsibility. He doesn't even connect with Hillary voters on any level.

O followers are simply clueless when it comes to how people feel about O. We are sick of him, and his bizarre football stadium plans are beyond tacky and presumptuous. We are sick of Obama, and we are now desensitized to him--it's been Obama overload, and he is non-stop in the media and all in our face and shoved down our throats and we are no longer interested in him, nor do we like what we see. I see a man with very little experience who has accomplished very little for democrats and Americans as a whole, and I believe him to be a megalomaniac who lacks integrity. I will never dare vote for him. He's all glory, no guts. No Deal.

Just Say No Deal
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Marrietta: You are tratorious and a band wagonner. You jumped ship before the process was over. Plan and simple. If you were a true Hillary supporter then you would have supported her and denounced the treatement she received from the Obama camp and the media. You act as though Hillary was just pouncing all over Obama for the heck of it. Think about it, tell me when she threw the first blow in there fights. NEVER! She was always responsive.

Also, I am so sick of you and people like you trying to hold her accountable for competing to become the nominee. Did Obama not sign up to run. Did that mean that he was to be treat like a darling by everyone along with the media? You are all stupid. A race is a race is a race.

Also did you cry out when he Litdropped on her in Ohio. You know the one where she said " SHAME ON YOU BARACK OBAMA-DEMOCRATS DO NOT DO THIS TO DEMOCRATS." Were your 59 year old hands bloggind then. Probably not--you were just giving OBAMA the pass.

Let's see when is Obama going to be held accountable for his own racist actions like Rev. Wright!

Get over yourself and stop lying about being a Clinton supporter. Traitor.

Marrietta: You are tratorious and a band wagonner. You jumped ship before the process was over. Plan and simple. If you were a true Hillary supporter then you would have supported her and denounced the treatement she received from the Obama camp and the media. You act as though Hillary was just pouncing all over Obama for the heck of it. Think about it, tell me when she threw the first blow in there fights. NEVER! She was always responsive.

Also, I am so sick of you and people like you trying to hold her accountable for competing to become the nominee. Did Obama not sign up to run. Did that mean that he was to be treat like a darling by everyone along with the media? You are all stupid. A race is a race is a race.

Also did you cry out when he Litdropped on her in Ohio. You know the one where she said " SHAME ON YOU BARACK OBAMA-DEMOCRATS DO NOT DO THIS TO DEMOCRATS." Were your 59 year old hands bloggind then. Probably not--you were just giving OBAMA the pass.

Let's see when is Obama going to be held accountable for his own racist actions like Rev. Wright!

Get over yourself and stop lying about being a Clinton supporter. Traitor.

Oboe: Since you want to acknowledge Hillary changing when it suits her then explain to me why:
1. Obama wants to count MI and FL now
2. Why he changed his position on Campaign Financing, Drilling, FISA, Iraq, etc...

Which of the two can be most accused of changing to suit themselves:
1. Clinton who is a politician and has never denied it or Obama who did and said anything to get the nomination and is now pissing on the very people who beleived him with his position changes.

Oh! I get it now he has to appeal to a much broader audience so he will now do and say what it takes for to win in November.

We get it! You Obamadots are pure hypocrits.

AJMESA: Old News! Let's talk about Obama's money taken and land deal with the indicted slum lord and how they kept from hauling Obama into court for his quote "Bonehead" decisions.

A new case is opening with Hillary being a defendant along with Bill. This new case is opening up because of new CONVINCING evidence.
The Power of the pardon is needed here and may be why the Clintons still seek the Nomination of at least the VP slot at the Democratic Convention ..........

Go to this website

Los Angeles Superior Court - Civil Case Summary

and type in this CASE NUMBER at the bottom of the page : BC304174

The case is called PETER F PAUL VS WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON but HILLARY is included as an equal defendant.

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil

When Obama and Clinton supporters are beating each other up on the WP, NYT or any other blog, I see the GOP and Senator McCain thinking that they can win the White House in 2008. The Democratic Party will find a way to screw this election up so that the disgruntled will vote GOP. Senator Kerry allowed himself to be labeled by the GOP in 2004 and he was "swiftboated" so that he never leveled the playing field with Mr. Bush. I saw the Lewis Black special where he asked the Democrats how they lost the election to W in 2004. Now, I wonder if the Democratis will self-destruct with the nit-picking and fighting between HRC and Obama supporters. I am already disgusted with Congress, the White House and the Judiciary. I am disillusioned by the party that my family has been supoprted and voted for 60 years. We deserved the goverment, we the people, elected and in doing so, we screwed ourselves in 2004. Are the American voters going to do it again? If so, I am going independent because neither party will represent the middle class our interests.

MadisonM wrote: Did you pull up the 01/25/08 article where she said that the votes should count because the Democratic Party would suffer in November. Go ahead and look that one up.

The point is that she was still the only one with enough forsight to know that in the end those states needed to be counted.
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The Michigan primary was on January 15, so if Hillary said the votes should count on January 25, that was after the fact. That's not foresight, it's hindsight. Yes, I know the Florida primary was the 29th, but the fact remains that Hillary changes her story when it suits her. When she thought the nomination was in the bag, she didn't care about Michigan and Florida primaries.

I am a 59 yr. oldsingle, working, democrat, activist, feminist, grandmother and since Super Tuesday an Obama supporter and volunteer. There wwere a number of reasons for NOT supporting Hillary. But her negative, damaging campaign style to another candidate of HER PARTY, was my biggest turn off. This is the most important election of our lifetime and it is paramount that We The Democrats win! When I hear Hillary and her supporters making negative commments about Obama, WHO WON---ACCEPT IT--DON"T DESTROY OUR CHANCE OF WINNING IN NOVEMWBER!!!! If Hillary supporters are still in an illusional state,in denial of her LOSS, why are they not getting her ouit of debt!!! If every one of you complaining that she is not in the race and are still saying you will write her in, or not vote or vote for another, PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS!!!! SHUT UP, STOP WHINING, SEND HER SOME MONEY TO GET HER OUT OF DEBT, AND STOP THIS FOOLISH BEGGING OBAMA SUPPORTERS! iF THERE ARE SOO MANY OF YOU AND YOU LOVE HER SOO MUCH----SEND HER MONEY---IT'S THE ONLY REASON SHE STILL HAS A CAMPAIGN OFFOCE=----SHE CAN'T AFFORD FOR THE MONEY TO STOP- COMING IN!!! I send money monthly to keep my candidate going-- where were you all when she needed you????

DDAWG: So Hillary's Website is asking for "OBAMA" donors to give her money?

Well, here is the site: http://www.hillaryclinton.com/.

Can tell me where to find a statement asking Obama donors for money?

Oh okay, that's you impression. Right! That's what I thought.

Once again you are blaming her for something that is not true. So characteristic of you Obamadots.

The goal is to retire her debt. I think the fundraisers that she is holding for Obama are good enough and so should you.

Albeit, he has to run back on stage to ask his donors to give to her.

Get over it! And stop blaming Hillary for everything.

Harol Hoffman: You are not woman! You are a poser! So I guess you are okay with Obama's ties to slum lords and american terriosts. Yes, those are much better ties to have than corporate ones.

Stop posing as a Hillary supporter!

You are either an Obamadot or a Republican.

"DDAWG: Let me get this right! Hillary Clinton actually asked Obama's small donors to donate to help pay down her campaign debt?"

Well, not Obama's small donors. Just small donors in general.

At least that's the impression I got from the giant banner on her website asking for contributions.

She should be asking them to contribute to Obama.

DDAWG: Let me get this right! Hillary Clinton actually asked Obama's small donors to donate to help pay down her campaign debt?

Like I said you Obama folk are need to get off him and come up for air.

Because he is not asking her bitter, low-class, uneducated, poor donors to not donate this his war chest.

Stupid position you took.

I am a woman who was a Hillary supporter initially, but I dislike her corporate ties and what pushed me over the edge to Obama (after hearing him speak), was Hillary's equating herself with John McCain as the only qualified Commanders in Chief. In my view the Clintons are giving themselves an historical black eye by refusing to get offstage and failing to consider what is best for the country and best for the party instead of what is best for them.

I am a woman who was a Hillary supporter initially, but I dislike her corporate ties and what pushed me over the edge to Obama (after hearing him speak), was Hillary's equating herself with John McCain as the only qualified Commanders in Chief. In my view the Clintons are giving themselves an historical black eye by refusing to get offstage and failing to consider what is best for the country and best for the party instead of what is best for them.

"8. Regarding her debt: Don't leave out that she gave him 2300 also and he wants her donors to give to him. So, why should her donors give to him if his donors do not want to give to her? You guys really do not believe in reciprocity do you."

She can ask his millionaire, maxed out donors. That's fine. I just don't like her asking small time donors to make a choice between helping her or helping the country.

OBOE: Yes, it should have been their instead of there. Thanks for the English lesson.

Did you pull up the 01/25/08 article where she said that the votes should count because the Democratic Party would suffer in November. Go ahead and look that one up.

The point is that she was still the only one with enough forsight to know that in the end those states needed to be counted.

So get over the rules issue. If the party disagreed then they would not have broken "their" rules, but they did. And, now Obama wants them to disregard their latest resolution by restoring those two states fully not 1/2.

Go figure. He will do and say anything to win!

Anonymous writes:
Also, you can bet that if the situations were reversed, the Clintons would not be treating Senator Obama with the same deference they are demanding -- even if the margins were similar!

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Yes, but the Clintons are victims. Everyone is after them! It isn't fair!
All I can say is give her the dang roll call. It won't change that Obama is the nominee. We all can thank our lucky stars the Clintons won't be in the Whitehouse in the near future.

DDAWG": I am glad that you have some Clinton supporters as friends also. Maybe they can help you get off OBAMA and really see the light.

1. Yes, she lost white and traditionally red states. Go figure, but we were talking about race as it relates to Blacks! Can you address why before every election where BLACKS were expected to vote in record numbers, the issue of race came up especially in SC and NC? Can you address why Blacks vote 90+% for OBAMA. And yes the memo talked about Bill Clinton who grew up more BLack than Obama playing the race game, but Obama denied that his camp were the ones to do this and stir up the race bating pot until the memo actually surfaced. So they not the Hillary Clinton injected race into the campaign. I bet you were one of the ones who blamed her for reverend Wright also. Hymm, there goes the issue of Obama and race again.

2. You should go back and watch the Philly debate; it was the moderator who asked the question about Louis Farrakhan not Senator Clinton. Again, you want her to be blamed her for everything.

3. College degrees: you did not answer the question. I guess because you do not have an answer.

4. Still refusing to address what I said. The bottom line is that she was the only forward thinking person who knew that the Dems would have hell to pay in November. Now they have proven her right. Deal with it!

5. Pay attention to your statements. Didn't you say general racial divisiveness? So, if Blacks voted for the African/White Boy then why could Whites not vote for the White lady? How is this once again her fault? I mean didn't he make the bitterness statement? So, is class divisiveness something for you to not like Obama about?

6. Not once did Clinton mention sexism as it related to caucuses or the rules committee. You are a liar and get your facts right! Regarding causes: most people can not vote in them because they do not work with most schedules. Regarding rules committee: again she never said they were sexists against her.

7. You forgot the VEEP statement, but let me reiterate: The party gave him the presidency so he should give her the vice presidency. Since the election was decided by the Super delegates and not the people--again he needs to give it her.

8. Regarding her debt: Don't leave out that she gave him 2300 also and he wants her donors to give to him. So, why should her donors give to him if his donors do not want to give to her? You guys really do not believe in reciprocity do you.

As for your Clinton friends, One would hope that their light shines brighter than your flicker. You seem to be really slow. Did I tell you that you need to get off Obama?

This "Hillary supporter" isn't staying home. She's voting for John McCain,...... Does the term "cutting off your nose to spite your face" mean anything to you? The issues matter more than your support for Hillary. It's your right to vote for McCain, but, it would be a worthless, unworthy vote for a man who is too old, too shrill, and too unaware to lead a horse to water, much less the USA. I don't know what your underlying reason is, but, it's not good enough.

MadisonM wrote:
Oboe: The DNC did not follow the rules. After all when they realized how stupid they were and that they needed MI and FL to win then they went against there own rules.
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By the way, it would be "against their own rules"

You must have missed this. Everyone knew the rules in advance, including Clinton. After the fact she complains. Not before. Here's a quote from NPR:

"In an interview on New Hampshire Public Radio last fall, Clinton explained why she was the only candidate who did not agree to New Hampshire's request that she take her name off the ballot in Michigan.

"It's clear: This election they're having is not going to count for anything. I personally did not think it made any difference whether or not my name was on the ballot," she said."

Hillary on the gas tax

“I’m not going to put in my lot with economists. Elite opinion is always on the side of doing things that really disadvantages the vast majority of Americans.”

I wonder if her clients ever put in their lot with elite lawyers.

"Race card: Race was always an issue right before an election in a state that had a good percentages of BLACK voter."

She lost plenty of predominantly white states as well.

"Interesting. Less we not forget that it came out that OBAMA's camp released a memo to the press about race before it even became an issue in the election, which OBAMA acknowledged and apologized for."

It was a memo on Clinton's use of race in the campaign.

"2. Like most powerful women, she gets blamed for everything. When did she tie him to Louis Farrakan? It think it was Louis Farrakan's endorsement that tied OBAMA to him."

Philly debate.

"3. Again, when did she denigrate people who have college degrees? Again it was the media, OBAMA campaign targeting, and the polls that targeted those of us who are college educated. As a matter of fact, I am going to count that as a stupid statement from you because she has several degrees, which would make it foolish to scorn other who have degrees."

I agree that it was really stupid on her part to denigrate something she herself has done. But hey, just because you choose to remain ignorant doesn't mean it never happened.

"4. For the last time, the DNC made them sign a pledge stating that they would not CAMPAIGN in either of those states. Where in the statement did it say that they should not count and apparently the DNC and now OBAMA agress that the should be seated 100% not 1/2. So, give her credit for being the great forward thinking leader that she is by realizing that the DUMB DEMS would need these states in November."

Well, obviously there is nothing in the pledge on how the delegates should be counted since THE CANDIDATES DON'T CONTROL HOW THE DELEGATES ARE COUNTED. It was in written up by the rules committee.

"5. Okay so we are back on racial divisiveness. Well if Black can be racist then so can Whites. So, if Blacks voted 90+% for OBAMA then Whites can do the same. As a Black person, I wish that more Whites had voted along racial lines."

If I had a problem with whites or blacks voting on racial lines, then that wouldn't be a complaint against Hillary, would it?

"6. Regarding he being FEMALE, you must be in the twilight zone to not see the level of Mysogyny against her. Even the chosen one, OBAMA spoke out against it after the election and so did Dean. [Hymmm, wonder why it took them so long to speak out against it. Now that Michelle is under attack by the media, I guess he can see how it must have felt for Hillary to be attacked.]"

Of course there was misogyny, but Clinton wasn't talking about Chris Matthews or Tucker Carlson. She was talking about the rules committee and caucus voting as examples of misogyny.

"8. Settling the debt: Why should she not ask for OBAMA to settle her debt since he is asking her donors to increase his coffers"

I don't have a problem with her asking OBAMA for a donation. He gave her $2300. That's fine. That doesn't take away money from the campaign. What I do have a problem with is her taking money from people who can't afford to pay the maximum. If I have $100 to donate and I give it to Clinton, that's $100 that isn't helping to get a Democratic president or a Democratic senator elected.

Man, I'm glad I have some very smart Clinton supporting friends. I hate to think of what you're doing to your reputation among people who don't.

SINCE HILLARY HAVE 18 MILLION SUPPORTS
THEN WHY DON'T THEY EACH DONATE 5.00 BUCKS
TO RETIRE HER DEBTS,AND THEN SHE CAN PAY OFF HERE DEBTOR AND HERSELF, AND JUST GET LOST SOMEWHERE, SHE WAS FOR MCSHAME ANYWAY
IF SHE COULD BOGART IN HERE WHAT TO THE NOMINATION,THAT OTHER BLOGGER WAS CORRECT,MICHELE GIVE HILLARY A JOB AS THE WHITE HOUSE INTERIOR DECORATOR.AND LET BILLY BOB MOW THE LAWN,(LAWNJOCKEY.

DDAWG: Let's address why you do not like Seantor Clinton:

1. Race card: Race was always an issue right before an election in a state that had a good percentages of BLACK voter. Interesting. Less we not forget that it came out that OBAMA's camp released a memo to the press about race before it even became an issue in the election, which OBAMA acknowledged and apologized for.
Most importantly getting the Black folk upset and angry enough to vote against someone who had a record of helping them Globally was a mission accomplished by OBAMA.

2. Like most powerful women, she gets blamed for everything. When did she tie him to Louis Farrakan? It think it was Louis Farrakan's endorsement that tied OBAMA to him.

3. Again, when did she denigrate people who have college degrees? Again it was the media, OBAMA campaign targeting, and the polls that targeted those of us who are college educated. As a matter of fact, I am going to count that as a stupid statement from you because she has several degrees, which would make it foolish to scorn other who have degrees. [Try Again, you can't blame her for this one either.]

4. For the last time, the DNC made them sign a pledge stating that they would not CAMPAIGN in either of those states. Where in the statement did it say that they should not count and apparently the DNC and now OBAMA agress that the should be seated 100% not 1/2. So, give her credit for being the great forward thinking leader that she is by realizing that the DUMB DEMS would need these states in November. [DUH].

5. Okay so we are back on racial divisiveness. Well if Black can be racist then so can Whites. So, if Blacks voted 90+% for OBAMA then Whites can do the same. As a Black person, I wish that more Whites had voted along racial lines.

6. Regarding he being FEMALE, you must be in the twilight zone to not see the level of Mysogyny against her. Even the chosen one, OBAMA spoke out against it after the election and so did Dean. [Hymmm, wonder why it took them so long to speak out against it. Now that Michelle is under attack by the media, I guess he can see how it must have felt for Hillary to be attacked.]

7. Regarding VEEP, He was handed the Presidency, the least he could do is hand her the Vice Presidency. I think it's a fair deal and many in the DNC agree because they just want to win in November.

8. Settling the debt: Why should she not ask for OBAMA to settle her debt since he is asking her donors to increase his coffers as he back track against his original position on Campaign Financing. Let's not forget that the Clintons are millionaires, but let Obama and his crew pay for it--they owe her.

So, now that the realistic truth has been given----What are your crediable not made up reasons for disliking Hillary. Can't think of any can you.

Get over yourself and stop riding Obama.

You poor slyillary followers,the press,clinton,the polls,are just trying to keep this race interesting,Sen.Obama,
is going to SLAM DUNK THIS ELECTION IN NOVEMBER,HE IS GOING TO PEAK AT THE FINISH LINE.and if Hillary try to steal this election from Obama, who's going to vote for her besides the ladies from the lonely
hearts club,If I were her I will be trying
to hold my Senate seat, because Harlem,Queens,The Bronze,will contest you
the next election for making a Darn fool of yourself and New York,OBama run will
survive easily until Nov. and maybe we could give her a Job as michelle interior
decorator.

Blarg...

It's a party that has always supported and lifted up the disenfranchised, the poor, the disabled, the hungry. They fought for the common man/woman. And now ... despite what you say about the Dems policies being the same as last year ... I'm not talking about "last year". The democratic party has been dying a slow death over the last several decades ... since the Kennedy-Johnson era. The party no longer TRULY cares about the disenfranchised - all it cares about is getting elected and staying in office. How old are you Blarg? Old enough to remember the Democratic party of old? I doubt it.

MCCAIN-OBAMA 'PSY OPS' WARS: WHO'S GOT THE VOODOO?

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/get-political-vic-livingston-opinion-presidential-psy-ops-wars-whos-got-voodoo

What has the Democratic Party turned into? A party that sets out rules for the nomination process, and follows those rules? A party that won't give in when one candidate whines that the rules should be changed for her? A party that still supports the same policies it did a year ago (not that you care about issues)?

Blarg writes:

"And if you were the loyal Democrat you claim to be, you'd support him."

Well, there you go ... I'm NOT a loyal democrat ... anymore. It used to be my party, my mother and father's party, my grandfolks party ... but now, I don't want any part of what the Democratic Party has turned into. I'm now a registered Independent.

"I don't know what the problem is with the Obama camp (They are negotiating her role). Kennedy, Kerry, and even Howard Dean had there names placed in nomination."

Senator Clinton is looking to have a roll call vote with her delegates voting for her during the roll call. I don't know about Kennedy, but Kerry was the nominee, but at the 2004 convention, Howard Dean did NOT get that.

Also, you can bet that if the situations were reversed, the Clintons would not be treating Senator Obama with the same deference they are demanding -- even if the margins were similar!

Hillary and her supporters don't listen too well. She was rejected in the primaries because she has nothing new to offer. All she has is old time politics and fear mongering. She is a perfect match for McCain. Hillary can't accept that she lost her one and only chance to go to the whitehouse. She will be to old and have even more baggage after Obama's two terms are over in 2016.
Obama needs to heed these words about Hillary:
"She’s just a devil woman
With evil on her mind
Beware the devil woman
She’s gonna get you
She’s just a devil woman
With evil on her mind
Beware the devil woman
She’s gonna get you from behind"
credit - Cliff Richards: "Devil Woman"

Incoming, B.O.! You let her FL & MI fifth columns come in and now you're seeing her gratitude! Forgive me for thinking George Soros must have loaded up the yacht and sailed for Monaco. Another Post article referred to this obscene cession of decision-making to the Tear Bag's & B.O.'s desire for a "suitable solution;" wanna bet that'll be a PANTSUITABLE solution?

!Tapate, Memin Pinguin! Here come Huma's Jeddah jihadis, Sarajevo Sally's Snit Brigade, the husband's hangers-on (Skullface*, Mr. Potatohead, McFixer, the Ickster et al.) & hillbilly hitpersons ("Us'n don't nivver miss!") and $23 million in IOU's stuffed in Broadbase Betty's humongous pantsuit hindquarters ... growing faster than the National Debt! (Now the Snit Brigade's on the wire going hissy-poo about B.O. not liquidating it! How about the husband's missiles that totaled that Khartoum dry-cleaner and "just missed" Osama in Great Wazzooistan? That's a swift kick for you!)

*"The Man Who Married Matalin"

Ed O'Keefe is a little slow on the uptake today, with this thread from last night easily still outdoing the one he started this morning.

Today's Post has an article which should raise eyebrows of all the regular posters to The Fix, with the exception of the paid trolls.

It's about Blogging for Prizes for McCain:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/06/AR2008080603589.html

Just take canned talking points and cut-and-paste them into blog threads. No thinking necessary.

Interestingly it notes that "...Michael Cornfield, an adjunct professor at George Washington University and...an executive with a company that markets political-organizing software says McCain's program has a couple of bugs.

"The first, he says, is the lack of disclosure instructions to participants. To rise above AstroTurf -- a practice considered ethically dubious by many political operatives -- Cornfield says participants should use their real names and identify themselves as part of a campaign participation program (as in, 'I'm Mike Cornfield, and I'm part of the McCain Action Team').

"He also says 'germaneness' is an issue: "Talking points are fine, but a comment should refer specifically to something that was said or written previously in the thread where it is intended to appear."

Yeah, right!

Tamara, you're right. I don't get it. I don't get how the DNC "hijacked democracy" by following their own rules which were in place long before the primaries started. Rules which, in many cases, were devised by Hillary's campaign staff.

The delegate breakdown had been decided in advance. Nobody protested caucuses, or superdelegates, or proportional allocation of delegates. Nobody on the Clinton team protested the punishment of Michigan and Florida when it happened. (Punishment based on those states breaking DNC rules.) Everyone agreed with all of these rules in advance. But when she started losing, Hillary and her supporters decided to complain about the rules. "Caucuses are unfair! Small states have too much power! Let's change everything retroactively to make Hillary win!"

So what did the DNC do wrong? How did they hijack their own nomination process? If you want to blame anyone, blame Hillary for running a bad campaign that ignored the realities of the nomination process. Obama understood the process, and he won. He is the Democratic nominee. And if you were the loyal Democrat you claim to be, you'd support him.

"There's a no chance Obama will agree to share the stage with the woman who dared challenge his Audacity. "

Actually, it was he who challenged her Entitlement. Remember, she was the Front Runner nobody dared to challenge, because everybody felt that the Clintons had the Democrat's Deck stacked so much in favor of her.

Sen. Obama's Convention problem is that Sen. Clinton created a Bride of Frankenstein which she can't control. The Hell Hath No Fury Brigade are loose cannons.

If her name was put into nomination without any formal arrangement from her, the PUMAs (with Harold Ickes pulling the strings) just might try to stage a coup.

It looks pretty obvious from the posts of Tamara and Asperperson and others, that they have no clue about the Primary process and how the DNC acted within the Democratic Party Rules.

Clinton accepted the results, but they can't. That's why Obama has to have some agreement in place with Clinton, which gets strongly conveyed to the Hillaryaholics by her. Otherwise the PUMAs could do more damage to Obama's campaign than the 2008 Swiftboaters ever could.

This "Hillary supporter" isn't staying home. She's voting for John McCain, a true patriot and leader. Barack Obama symbolizes change in the same way that Hurricane Katrina changed the lay of the land in New Orleans and Adolf Hitler changed the face of history in World War II. Not all change is good change. Pay attention to those who are tried and true - pay attention to consistent change. Pay attention to John McCain.

"DDAWG: You still do not want to acknowledge that MI delegates were taken from her. I understand, you just can not mumble the words even."

I honestly don't understand this line of reasoning. Maybe I'm just not as privy to the rules. But like taken from her? It's not like she owns them. Taken from where? I'm not being snarky. I'm genuinely confused.

And of course people care about the numerical outcome. If Clinton had won the primaries, her supporters wouldn't care about the Michigan voters. If she didn't win, people wouldn't care if every Michigan delegate for triple voting power.

"You know it is unfathomiable to me that Hillary is so villified by so many who can not honestly say why they sincerly do not like her."

Speaking for myself...

1) The numerous implications by her campaign that the only reason Obama is winning is because he is black. (Bill in SC, her in Louisiana, Ferraro in general)

2) Trying to tie him with Louis Farrakhan. That was just a despicable, racially motivated scare tactic based on just the most spurious connections and playing to some of the most divisive stereotypes about the Islam religion.

3) Her denigration of people with college degrees. I've got one myself and am working on some other ones. I grew up poor and am still poor. As someone who has tried to improve his lot through education, this was personally offensive to me. It was this line of attack that made me consider whether I would vote for her if she got nominated.

4) Trying to get the outcomes of Florida and Michigan changed. These were rules that she personally agreed to. Before she started losing, she did not have a second thought about these people. Then all of a sudden, these guys all became Ugandi citizens under Mugabi. It was just sickingly dishonest the way she tried to use these people one way and then the other.

5) General racial divisiveness. White Americans? Real Americans? These people wouldn't vote for Obama?

6) Playing on the feminist hopes of the populace. She attempted to make it seem any defeat would be because of gender alone. She cynically used people who wanted to see a woman advance to achieve her own political ends. This still is having ramifications. She made it so that it was a rebuke to her whole gender. That's not the case. This was a rebuke to her, not her gender.

7) Attempting to force her way into the vice presidency. This puts Obama in a tough position. If he takes her, he looks weak. If he doesn't she tries to stoke her supporters from voting for him. If she cared about the people she says she cares about, she wouldn't be pulling this nonsense. Some humility would be nice.

8) Attempting to funnel donations her way. Again, she should be helping Obama. Telling cash strapped donors to settle her personal debt does not help anyone but herself. It makes sense for wealthy donors who have maxed out to Obama and the DNC, but not for anyone else.

This is just speaking for myself, but I'm sure plenty of people who dislike Hillary can draw at least one or two items from the list.

The thing is that none of this stuff really started coming up until later in the primary schedule. I really liked her at the outset of the voting. Yeah, the Bill Clinton comment in SC was bad, but I took it as an isolated incident.

And the 3 AM ad didn't bother me. It was a scare tactic, but it was also a legitimate issue. You've got to be dramatic to get your point across.

DDAWG: You still do not want to acknowledge that MI delegates were taken from her. I understand, you just can not mumble the words even.

At the end of the day we all know what happend and the DNC and Obamaaddicts need to stop trying to sell the Clinton supporters. We get everthing that happened and when you can muster up the knowledge to acknowledge then you will be blogging "SORRY" to all of us.

No one cares about the numeric outcome of the votes, just that he was given votes that were not his from some of hers being taken, the 40% who votd uncommited, and the paper ones that were still sealed and mailed in.

Get over it and realize that he is a propelled candidate not one who got their on his own accord.

Blarg writes:

"Tamara, you should vote for Obama because he will do the same things as president that Hillary Clinton would have. They both want to get out of Iraq, and protect the middle class, and reform our healthcare system, and fix the problems caused by 8 years of the Bush administration. (McCain, on the other hand, wants to continue the Bush policies.)

But obviously you don't care about any of that. You don't care about this country; you just want to hold a pointless grudge and elect President McCain out of spite. Shame on you."

Blarg -

You just don't get it. You forget that I'm one of those Clinton supporters that believes the DNC "hijacked" Democracy during the Primary. And if Clinton had been given "the nod" over Obama and the DNC showed underhand preference to Clinton the way they did Obama ... I'd be saying I'll NEVER vote for Clinton! I'm most of all saddened that MY party - no longer stands for what it used to - back in the "olden days" --- that would be something called DEMOCRACY.

blarg write:

"Tamara, you should vote for Obama because he will do the same things as president that Hillary Clinton would have. They both want to get out of Iraq, and protect the middle class, and reform our healthcare system, and fix the problems caused by 8 years of the Bush administration. (McCain, on the other hand, wants to continue the Bush policies.)

But obviously you don't care about any of that. You don't care about this country; you just want to hold a pointless grudge and elect President McCain out of spite. Shame on you."

Blarg -

You just don't get it. You forget that I'm one of those Clinton supporters that believes the DNC "hijacked" Democracy during the Primary. And if Clinton had been given "the nod" over Obama and the DNC showed underhand preference to Clinton the way they did Obama ... I'd be saying I'll NEVER vote for Clinton! I'm most of all saddened that MY party - no longer stands for what it used to - back in the "olden days" --- that would be something called DEMOCRACY.

Why does everyone want to say to Senator Clinton supporters that voting for McCain is a continuation of George Bush when McCain's own party disagree with the fact that he is a Maverick and does not toe the party line.

Why isn't anyone telling the DNC that they wasted out time with all of the shenanigans since they already had their party pick. Who are they to tell me screw you because you have to vote DEM because if you do not then you know what the alternative is.

The DNC and OBAMA are not better than Bush who played on America fear after 911 as they are playin on America's pain with HOPE!

They did not beleive party unity just party selection so they and OBAMA can kiss off. I'll Independently give my vote to the candidate of my choice. I may let my fish decide since animals are quasi humans now.

"DDAWG: If you are a true Democrat then you would be aware that when it was decided to count Michigan then some of the delegates that belonged to Hillary based upon the percentages were taken away and given to Obama."

Jesus, do you people not realize that the Michigan ballot DIDN'T COUNT?? It just didn't. It was spring training. It was an exhibition game. Nothing was given or taken away from anyone. This whole thing was stupid political theater. Yeah, both of them got some delegates, but the hard, unwritten rule of the R+B meeting was that the outcome would not be changed.

This is not difficult, people. Clinton wanted a rule change and an outcome change. She got the rule change, but no way the outcome would be changed. That would be patently unfair to Obama.

There are a few Clinton people who think the Democrats "took" the nomination from her. The vast majority of people understand its just how the process played out. If the R+B committee changed the outcome of the race, you'd see a far more angry Obama supporters with a legitimate gripe about having the race stolen.

Big difference here. Any idiot can see this.

blarg: You need to get that the election process is about the Country before the party. Why don't we just become a one party system of Independents. That way we can truly pick cnadidates based on the issues instead of the party. If we were like this then Hillary would have one hands down as all polls indicated that she would be the better leader but he was liked more.

Dumb Democrats.

I am hopeful that, in the end, Senator Clinton's supporters will realize that a vote for John McCain is just a wish for 4 more years of George Bush. When it comes right down to it, that's the bottom line. We cannot afford more polarization in this country, just like we cannot continue to be looked upon in disdain by our European allies. Having John McCain as President is a thought too painful to consider. If Senator Clinton's supporters would remove emotion from their decision, the choice is a distinct one. Barack Obama is the only sane choice.

Tamara, you should vote for Obama because he will do the same things as president that Hillary Clinton would have. They both want to get out of Iraq, and protect the middle class, and reform our healthcare system, and fix the problems caused by 8 years of the Bush administration. (McCain, on the other hand, wants to continue the Bush policies.)

But obviously you don't care about any of that. You don't care about this country; you just want to hold a pointless grudge and elect President McCain out of spite. Shame on you.

You know it is unfathomiable to me that Hillary is so villified by so many who can not honestly say why they sincerly do not like her.

You hear that she is divisive and care about herself. Well I say that she is the best and strongest example that we have of a Democrat.

Against all odds, she finished the race. She did not quit. And, she did not give up on her 18 million.

As a matter of fact, you do not hear her telling Obama's 17 [not 18] million to get over the fact that he must contend with her. She is not saying that you will put my name on the ballot or else I am going to turn the party up side down.

No, she came out in a historic four days after the last primary and emphatically endorsed Obama and begained to unify to party by asking her supporters to jump on board.

Yet, she is still be villified and attacked by the ignorant and cult from Obama's camp.

She is the one who was not treated fairly by the media while Obama got a pass most of the time except for the Rev. Wright and the bitter people media blitz.

You people are a joke and Hillary is the real thing.

So you GET THIS: Hillary Clinton and her supportes will be formaly acknowledged, respected, restored, and dealt with with honor or Dems will have hell to pay.

If Barack is who the party wants then fine, but no more will we accept the Hillary bashing as a means for him to get to the oval office.

Again, they just need to do what is right and let the party move forward.
End of story.

nclwtk - Don't paint all Clinton supporters with the same brush that *Girl deserves. The bulk of us understand it was a good fight, she lost, and is supporting Obama strongly.

It's kinda weird. It's like the captain of the football team broke up with the head cheerleader. They worked it out just fine, but friends of him/her are the bitter ones.

BB

nclwtk writes:

"Hillary's deranged supporters (We want our way or we'll ruin you cause we dont care if we ruin ourselves doing so) reflect the narcissism that is cancerous in our society."

No, the narcissism is running high on your end. The fact that you can't see that for most Clinton supporters and their choice to not support Obama - it's a choice of Country before Party. And it's the narcissism of the Obama supporters that keeps them from seeing this. This is a country that was supposedly founded on the idea of Democracy - it's not ALL about just electing Obama.

Oboe: The DNC did not follow the rules. After all when they realized how stupid they were and that they needed MI and FL to win then they went against there own rules.

How do you tell Deomocrats that there votes do not count in the primaries but give them to us in the general.

Dumb DNC's failure to fix this problem initially only benefited Obama in the end.

And the party is still suffering because of the ignorant Howard Dean and Nancy Pelosi.

The only folks wronged in this case are the people who consider themselves Democrat. Hillary (Its all about me) Bill (It has to be about me or I will pout) and Hillary's deranged supporters (We want our way or we'll ruin you cause we dont care if we ruin ourselves doing so) reflect the narcissism that is cancerous in our society. No wonder Obama preaches change, what he sees is the Clinton's pulling down the country to suit thier own inflated egos. They are like a multi head hydra, with a slithery long evil tongue, contaminating everything they touch

Jimbo: If the Clinton supporters stay home then what will Obama and the DEmocratic party who are lining up and kissing her rear end going to do less 18 million.

Ger over it and know that just like OBAMA has stated, he need Hillary and Bill Clinton.

Don't ever forget that!

DDAWG: If you are a true Democrat then you would be aware that when it was decided to count Michigan then some of the delegates that belonged to Hillary based upon the percentages were taken away and given to Obama.

Additionally, he made a calculated choice to take his name off the ballot and was given delegates votes that very well could have belonged to Edwards or Richardson. We will never know.

And finally he was given the votes of the sealed mail in ballots because they assume those people would have voted for him.

You OBAMA supoorted are pure idiots.

Hopefully the clinton lovers will just stay home in Nov. we don't need them. Hillary lost the nomination and is unsuitable for VP or any other executive office. This is the clinton's "surge" to try and usurp the process and steal the nomination for hillary. She knows this year is her one and only chance to get into the whitehouse and she will do anything to get there.

MadisonM wrote:At the end of the day, people will not acknowledge that Hillary Clinton was wronged by the Democratic Party..
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You mean 'cause the DNC followed the rules? She wasn't entitled. We have what's called a democracy. Obama got more votes. He won. She knew the rules, and ran a bad campaign. She lost.

If you still care about the issues that made you admire Clinton, then you will vote Obama. If you care about spite, then you vote McCain. Unless you already were a republican.

DDAWD writes:

"...I just wish she would do more to try and defuse the whole thing. Her behavior is probably just hurting the people she is professing to want to help. I think the party was starting to come together..."

Do more? Are you kidding me? If I was Hillary I'd have left the democratic party months ago. I think she's a saint for having sucked up a "fixed" primary and doing as much as she has to be a "good democrat".

Obama followers ... there are 3 more months until the election ... and it's only going to get worse for Obama. Obama will continue to make mistakes and go back on his word. And I'm still waiting for him to tell my, a Clinton supporter, WHY I should "follow" him. He hasn't reached out to the everyman/woman Clinton supporters - only the high end Clinton supporters who have money to give him.

He's nothing "new" ... he's not promoting "change" (FISA, off-shore drilling, guns, abortion and all the rest). IMO he's a liar and will change his stance on an issue at the drop of a hat just to get elected. He has NO backbone.

Dissent among Clinton supporters will only grow after the convention in Denver. The DNC and the media want everyone to think there is party unity - but it will NOT happen. I've voted Dem for the last 38 years and I will NEVER vote for Obama. First, he's not qualified and second ... I will NOT be told I have no where else to go by the DNC. And, I will not support the DNC's treatment of Hillary Clinton during the primary ... nor their desired to "hijack" democracy during the primary.

"At the end of the day, people will not acknowledge that Hillary Clinton was wronged by the Democratic Party"

That's because it isn't true.

Listen, you half-wits can keep replaying the primary process that Hillary lost because she doesn't know how to run a campaign, and the rest of the adults in the Democratic party will work on getting Barack Obama elected. If you want to get in the way, fine, but you'll be handled like any right-wing attack dog will be handled.

Shut up and get on board.

Wow, people weren't kidding when they said Hillary is a divisive figure, were they? I just wish she would do more to try and defuse the whole thing. Her behavior is probably just hurting the people she is professing to want to help. I think the party was starting to come together. The vast majority of Clinton supporters became Obama supporters. Not surprising. Obama supporters would have done the same.

But she is what she is and its just something the country will have to work around. I think we're up to the task.

But can someone explain to me how Clinton got delegates taken away from her in Michigan? She started with zero. Is there some weird rule where you can get negative delegates?

The Obama camp is angry about letting Clinton have access to the normal and classical process of placing her name in nomination, like male candidates of her calibre have always been able to do, because their candidate is so weak and so is his support.

Obama has hit a wall and can't break free from McCain's close numbers. Meanwhile, the press is writing column after column wondering why the electorate isn't more enthusiastic about Obama and the Obama camp is going to try to break with tradition and keep Clinton's name out of nomination and deny her roll call.

Why? Because Obama's a weak and uncredible candidate for President and always has been.

The Democrats would win many more elections if the media were forced to be muzzled during election years, only allowed to report on facts, not their opinions. The liberal media dominates the Democratic party's nomination every election year, as they comprise the most vocal, visible and omnipresent demographic of the Democratic party electorate. Every election year they push some shallow, affected, deeply flawed elitist on the Democrats and then wonder why the rest of the Democratic electorate: blue collar, moms, seniors, etc. turn out give significant vote blocks to the less affected candidates that the Republicans nominate.

The Democratic party would be much more successful if the shallow, ADD and phony liberal media types didn't dominate their nomination contest every election year, because they pick out and push the most shallow, affected phonies on the rest of the Democrats as our nominee.

Based on the comments of Obama supporters they seem to want Obama to follow the Africa tradition that you become president for life. And if you're not for us, we'll get you.

I do not trust, snake oil selling medicine show con man OBama. I do not trust him in his cult building as is so often obvious from the whines of his supporters.

Members of his cult maybe convinced Obama is the second coming, but I am not naive enough or stupid enough to believe his con man line.

With Hillary out, the best choice for voters is to elect veto proof Democratic majorities to Congress and McCain president. That way we'll have true checks and balances.

It is too risky for the country to elect a Democratic Congress AND OBama president.

The cult of personality surrounding the Clintons is amazing. People who claim to be Democrats are rejecting the Democratic Party because the Clintons weren't sufficiently respected during the campaign. Naturally, the main sign of "disrespect" is that someone dared to stand in the way of Hillary's coronation as president. How dare Obama run against Queen Hillary! Such arrogance! Didn't he know that it's her turn to be president?

The Clintons are members of the Democratic Party. As such, they're doing exactly what all good Democrats should, by supporting the Democratic nominee. See, there are these things called "issues". Things like the war in Iraq, the potential war in Iran, global warming, the energy crisis, universal healthcare, etc. Some experts consider these "issues" to be even more important than Bill and Hillary Clinton's personal feelings. But not for the Clinton Cult! To honor the holy Clintons, they're going to vote for the Republican candidate, who disagrees with the Clintons on EVERY SINGLE ISSUE! That'll show Obama!

Why is Team Obama and the DNC sweatin' it?

Q. Why not let Clinton's delegates vote for Clinton if Obama has more?

A. Delegates are not happy.

DNC, not the people, select a losing Presidential candidate every time.

I've had enough!

The DNC and Team Obama, FISA lovin',
faith-based, death penalty expanding,
off-shore drillin',
campaign finance reform avoidin'
are crooks and no Democrats
as far as I'm concerned.

McCain looks pretty good.
At least I know and can trust him.

Dare I say, he has a resume and experience?

It's sad that we cut off our nose of to spit our face everytime. At the end of the day, people will not acknowledge that Hillary Clinton was wronged by the Democratic Party and Barack has ridden the wave. Like Liberman they chose Obama. Yet unlike Liberman, Hillary remained loyal to the party. She could have turned her back on the party like Liberman and ran as an Independent, which would have effectively split the party in half. She is the best Democrat alive!

At the end of the day, there is no other white man or white woman who could've beat Hillary so the party went with race and a man who is African and White being paraded around as a Black man.

Now he wants to count all of the Florida and Michigan votes. If Obama is feeling that generous and want to right some of the wrongs then he needs to give back the Michigan delegates taken from her and the ones that he did not earn.

No other 2nd runner up has been asked to concede the day of the last primaries or not have their name on the ballot at the convention.

This is unreal and they wonder why you have groups like the PUMA's or Democrats for McCain.

The Dems are stupid and McCain will be the President because we can not do the right thing as a party and just be fair in order to be unified. A good number of Hillary supporters have already gotten behind OBAMA. Why continue to poor salt in the wound? Why are they acting desperate and scarred?

The question is not what Hillary wants, it's what more does the party and Obama want from Hillary and her supporters.

Put her on the ballot as she has earned it.

Diane72,
You're about one stupid, slimy racist skank. All you do is try to trash Michelle Obama. She has more class and intelligence than you will come in contact with you whole entire life. You're not convincing anyone to change their vote. You're just reminding people why sometimes abortion is a good idea and why some animals eat their young.

It's sad that we cut off our nose of to spit our face everytime. At the end of the day, people will not acknowledge that Hillary Clinton was wronged by the Democratic Party and Barack has ridden the wave. Like Liberman they chose Obama. Yet unlike Liberman, Hillary remained loyal to the party. She could have turned her back on the party like Liberman and ran as an Independent, which would have effectively split the party in half. She is the best Democrat alive!

At the end of the day, there is no other white man or white woman who could've beat Hillary so the party went with race and a man who is African and White being paraded around as a Black man.

Now he wants to count all of the Florida and Michigan votes. If Obama is feeling that generous and want to right some of the wrongs then he needs to give back the Michigan delegates taken from her and the ones that he did not earn.

No other 2nd runner up has been asked to concede the day of the last primaries or not have their name on the ballot at the convention.

This is unreal and they wonder why you have groups like the PUMA's or Democrats for McCain.

The Dems are stupid and McCain will be the President because we can not do the right thing as a party and just be fair in order to be unified. A good number of Hillary supporters have already gotten behind OBAMA. Why continue to poor salt in the wound? Why are they acting desperate and scarred?

The question is not what Hillary wants, it what more does the party and Obama want from Hillary and her supporters.

Put her on the ballot as she has earned it.

I wish that the Clintons would show a little class for a change. Their behavior is juvenile, at best. Obama is the candidate and will hopefully win in November. The only thing that the Clintons should be doing is giving their whole-hearted support to Barack Obama. Let's unite the Democratic party instead of tearing it apart. Apparently, self trumps country in the Clintons' world. How truly sad.

Btw, I have a nice Hillary nutcracker if anyone is interested.

Do we want people like this, no doubt a friend of Michelle Shaniqua Obama, in the White House?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFunr5TAlMA

HILLARY LOST...PURE AND SIMPLE!
If she has ANY hopes of a political future she'll accept that fact.
SHE HAS NO WAY TO THE WHITEHOUSE...PERIOD!
Even if she manages to thwart Senator Obama's official nomination...then what???? Trust & believe...NO OBAMA SUPPORTERS WOULD EVER VOTE FOR HER UNDER SUCH DUBIOUS CIRCUMSTANCES. So we'd end up with John McCain. On top of that I personally would spend the rest of my life soliciting every African-American I know to vote for the Green Party and NEVER vote Democratic again. The Democrat Party better really think this thing thru. CAN THEY AFFORD TO ALIENATE AN ENTIRE GROUP FOR GENERATIONS TO COME BECAUSE OF 18 MILLION SORE LOSERS??????

I wish that the Clintons would show a little class for a change. Their behavior is juvenile, at best. Obama is the candidate and will hopefully win in November. The only thing that the Clintons should be doing is giving their whole-hearted support to Barack Obama. Let's unite the Democratic party instead of tearing it apart. Apparently, self trumps country in the Clintons' world. How truly sad.

Btw, I have a nice Hillary nutcracker if anyone is interested.

I would sooner shave my legs than vote for Obama!

Clinton losers: You backed the wrong horse - get over it. Your candidate ran a crappy campaign, she couldn't handle a campaign staff, she squandered tens of millions of dollars, and her husband (the most interesting thing about her, admit it) couldn't keep his mouth shut.

To the twit who compared Obama's defeat of Hillary to Dewey/Truman - Obama received more votes than Clinton, whereas Dewey didn't outpoll Truman. You are stupid. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Of course, like the Clintons, you blame the media rather than cop to your own stupidity.

Now shut up and get on board.

AsperGirl said "If Obama doesn't like the classic and established nomination processes of the Democratic Party..."

When did Obama say this. He played by the rules and won, don't try to make things up.

Victor Flores, no one in Obama's campaign ever called Bill Clinton a racist. Some people who support Obama might have, but he isn't responsible for everything said by people who support him any more than Shillary is responsible for everything said by her supporters of Obama.

AsperGirl:

Please check your history books. Hilary Clinton was not the first credible woman presidential candidate.

"In 1872, Douglass became the first African American nominated for Vice President of the United States, as Victoria Woodhull's running mate on the Equal Rights Party ticket." wikipedia

So please don't take away from the achievements of Victoria Woodhull, or other great women, in advancing women's rights in America while you jump on the Hillary Clinton bandwagon.

For those of you who keep saying that Senator Clinton "lost" and Obama "won" please turn of your cable news and read a history book.

That's NOT how it works, folks. If you're feeling frustrated, blame MSNBC for erroneously calling the race too soon. They learned nothing from DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN. Neither candidate had the amount of delegates needed to win and the Supers can change their mind at any time until they actually cast their vote.

As far as throwing democracy out the window for the sake of "party unity" - well that was a bad idea from the start and has already resulted in a splintered party that will cost the Democrats this election if Clinton is not the nominee.

Because much of Clinton's base are moderates and working class, they are OKAY with voting for a moderate Republican. Unlike the progressives who will NEVER vote Republican. Which part of the base is more likely to change the election? The moderates! It's not rocket science.

Should she get the nomination, Clinton actually is quite progressive - more so than Obama in many areas, which the progressives would have known had they done any research instead of buying into ridiculous race cards and gaffes.

The one smart move Obama has made, and it is the only one, is not asking Hillary to be his vice president. Hillary I plead with you, if you are asked, do not take it. Obama is a loser, and he will lose in November. Please remember how they disrespected President Bill Clinton, accusing him of being a racist, remember how the media especially MSNBC along with the Obama campaign treated you with disrespect, remember how the Democratic leaders stole this nomination from you and pressured the superdelegates to go Obama's way. Hillary, I and your diehard supportors will never forget, and it will start at the convention and will end on November 4, when we do not cast a vote for Obama. Democrats like Gov. Richardson,Senators John Kerry, Clarie McCaskill, Ted Kennedy, Speaker Pelosi, Howard Dean, and pundits like Donna Brazille, MSNBC, we have more power it is called a vote, I will never vote for those back stabbing Democrats ever again. Senator Clinton please sit this one out, America and some Obama supportors are realizing that Obama is not the "one". You were right all along, he is not ready to lead. I love you Senator Clinton and President Bill Clinton, best revenge is just letting your enemies fall apart, and that is what is happening to Obama right now. "HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT in 2012" BLUE VOTER, VOTING RED.

THE CAMPAIGN THAT WOULD NOT DIE

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

I turned on the TV, CSPAN, and there are repeated calls for Hillary for VP.

I turned to Fox news, Hillary for VP.

I am afraid to go to CNN, Clinton News Network, for fear of what I might find.

It is amazing to me how a few disgruntled people, with the help of the networks and cable companies, can keep a campaign alive.

To prove that I can lie with the best of them:

I was a Republican who switched to Democrat to support Hillary Clinton, (in the primaries) and if she does not get the nomination, I will go back to the Republican Party and vote for McCain.

So there!!!!!!!!

Did anybody ever count how many Hillary primary votes were actually cast by Republicans? Are the not counted in her totals. Should they be?

icgirl wrote: "barack is as american as apple pie - raised in the heartland - but he also has the experience most people face today: raised by several family members, strong single mom, has international heritage too"

I beg to differ on your rosy, all-American description of Obama's family history.

Obama's mother was a "second wife" to Obama's Muslim African Arab father, who had a "first wife" at home and to whom he returned after abandoning Obama's mother and his son. In his father's Kenyan culture, it's okay for a Muslim to take multiple wives, and "temporary wives" like he did Obama's mother, but it's NOT legal in the U.S. Barack Obama's father's marriage to his mother was illegal and he is the illegitimate son of a Third World Arab Muslim polygamist.

Furthermore, Obama's mother doesn't strike me as a "strong" woman. She was picked up and dumped by two separate Third World Muslim men, neither of whom were inclined to be a real father to her son. She even sent her son home while she stayed in Indonesia to be with the second man.

Does Obama's bizarre and unhealthy background imply that he'd be a bad president? No. What does is the way he fictionalizes his family and his father in his factually fudging autobiographies and pretends that they were other than what they were.

icgirl: Impressive posts! Got to give props when they are due!

BTW got to remember many of the clinton supporters were never committed to the Democratic party. Many are Republican crossovers that just wanted t