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Convention Cheat Sheet: Bristol and Gustav

ST. PAUL -The opening day of the Republican National Convention seemed certain to be a slow one. Abbreviated by the Hurricane Gustav's march toward the Gulf Coast, all but the most necessary (read: boring) tasks were canceled leaving reporters to wonder what they would be covering.

The answer came quickly when Reuters' Steve Holland moved a story that said that the 17-year-old daughter of Alaska Governor - and John McCain vice presidential pick -- Sarah Palin was pregnant, was keeping the baby and had plans to marry the father of the child.

What looked like a slow news day quickly turned into an "all hands on deck" situation as reporters from every media organization in the country began looking for their own way into the story.

In the immediate aftermath of the revelation, it was seen as a potential bombshell in the contest. But, as the day wore on, it began to appear as a momentary blip on the radar screen.

Palin, McCain and Barack Obama insisted it was a private matter that would stay that way. Democrats, by and large, took their marching orders from the Obama campaign and avoided making any comment other than unequivocal support for the governor and her family.

What's next? That depends. If the story ends with the pregnancy of Bristol Palin, the answer is not much. But, if her pregnancy, which the McCain campaign insisted Monday the Arizona senator knew about before picking her, is indicative of some larger problems with the way in which the Alaska governor was vetted, then more revelations could be on the way.

Without oxygen, this media firestorm will flicker out.

Other highlights of the day:

INSIDE THE HALL: The brief appearances of First Lady Laura Bush and potential First Lady Cindy McCain late in the day on the convention floor amounted to the news from inside the Xcel Energy Center. In other words: not much news there.

OUTSIDE THE HALL: Bristol Palin was the talk of the media area -- and the convention as a whole. Would the news hurt Palin? Would it further humanize her? How would social conservatives react? Ultimately, the answer was it was too early to tell. But the Palin daughter's pregnancy kept people talking (and talking) all day long.

By Chris Cillizza  |  September 2, 2008; 7:00 AM ET
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Comments

Lots of these comments are hysterical! Try to imagine now if Obama had a teenage daughter and had to announce she was pregnant and not married. Oooh, the right wing could have so much fun with that.

The hypocrisy of the right is mind blowing.

:-)

Posted by: toritto | September 2, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Fiona don't a nutjob like you would not have been invited if there was or wasn't. You OBama operatives are so transparent. What about Barack OBama dicriminating against Hispanics. Lets hear more about that.

Posted by: Justice | September 2, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Todd Palin was at the convention. He never bothered to hold the baby even though it is supposedly his. Any dad would be proud to hold their own baby regardless of whether he is wearing a suit or a tuxedo and give the baby to their other kids only occasionally to take care off. But in Todd Palin's case, he can be seen sitting at the convention with no care for the baby what so ever. Poor Bristol had to carry not only a child in hr tummy but also another child in her hand the whole time. Is Todd Palin the real dad or not?

Posted by: Kramer | September 2, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Todd Palin was at the convention. He never bothered to hold the baby even though it is supposedly his. Any dad would be proud to hold their own baby regardless of whether he is wearing a suit or a tuxedo and give the baby to their other kids only occasionally to take care off. But in Todd Palin's case, he can be seen sitting at the convention with no care for the baby what so ever. Poor Bristol had to carry not only a child in hr tummy but also another child in her hand the whole time. Is Todd Palin the real dad or not?

Posted by: Kramer | September 2, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Here's a question for people in Alaska. Anybody who attended a baby shower for Sarah Palin before Trignometry was born please come forward and tell us. Having a baby is a joyous occassion, especially if you are pro-life. Therefore Sarah Polin would have definitely had a baby shower if in fact Trignometry is her child.

Posted by: Fiona | September 2, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't a 4 month old baby need to be breast fed every 2 or 3 hours? Or is Sarah Palin not that old fashioned to use her breasts for feeding the baby but only to be used for fondling by her husband. We see that she doesn't bring the baby to the convention floor for breast feeding?

Posted by: Kalin | September 2, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I watched the video of the Palin kids standing in a row at the convention where Bristol was holding the baby to cover her own protruding tummy. Then comes Sarah Palin. She started from the left end and gave a kiss to each of her kids. She also gave a kiss to the little baby, but the kiss to the baby looked like the one a person would give to somebody else's child, but not their own. She just gave the baby a formal kiss, and walked off without hugging or looking at the baby. Now how many mother's can do that to their 4 month old baby. Unless if it was Bristol's. during the convention nobody else from her family bothered to hold the baby other than Bristol. It is really strange.

Posted by: gina | September 2, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

First off regardless of whether you are pro choice or anti-abortion, a teenager is not supposed to get pregnant. Where were the parents to give the proper advice. If Sarah Palin and her husband (who is a wimp, keeping quiet during this whole fiasco) had paid a little more attention to their kids this wouldn't have happened. Not only did they not give attention to the teenagers in their house but they were reckless themselves in popping out another child while their teenagers were making rounds humping other teenagers in the neighborhood. When the parents are so reckless, how can you expect the kids to grow up to be valuable citizens. When you are a governor of a state it is very hard to hide ones pregnancy. But yet, nobody from the governors office other than Sarah Palin has come forward to say that Sarah was indeed carrying the down syndrome baby for 8 or 9 months. Can a woman hide a pregnancy from all government officials including her friends in the office for such a long time? What was McCain thinking?

Posted by: Jim Crocker | September 2, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

While one wonders at the vetting process of Palin or shall I say the non-vetting process that resulted in the McCain Campaign not getting out in front of this mess, I think to lighten up the comments, I shall come down against that red. red carpet the McCain bunch chose for the carpet. It is a lousy color red and looks like some communist comment from a bunch of Republicans. It is horribly out of sinc with their message and nothing genteel about it at all. But then, so much like the "in-your-face" attitude of McCain. Nevertheless, not at all pleasing to the eye in comparison to the Obama decor of the meeting place for the DNC.

Posted by: Mari | September 2, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

A 17 year old girl, pregnant? OMG! I am reminded of a story about a 17 year old girl, also pregnant, who married the much older father. The father was not of her race or religion and was already married. The mother divorced the father, married another man, also not of her race or religion, and divorced him, too. Then she selfishly dumped her child on her parents to raise so she could 'do her own thing'. Where are the morals??? Chew on that a while, libs.

Posted by: Jaycee | September 2, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Let me start by offering my congratulations to the Palin family. I'm sure they're very excited about the new addition, no sarcasm whatsoever. How they deal with it from now on is not the concern of the American people or anyone else but themselves.

However, the reckless stance of Gov. Palin's anti-sex-ed, abstinence-only education and position on women's rights is only more sharply contrasted by this event. There is wide evidence that this sort of stance is ineffective and doesn't prevent teen pregnancy and STDs. The fact that her own daughter is now pregnant should be the nail in the coffin. Voter beware.

Sarah Palin an expert on family issues? That's like Budweiser holding AA meetings!

Posted by: Kaz | September 2, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

The Fix should look into the rate of teen and out-of-wedlock births in Alaska. It's huge. Alaskans don't teach their kids abstinence - or anything else about sex. It's bad enough to have Sarah Palin and her anti-sex education and abstinence-only stance impacting the kids of Alaska. To set her up as a role model for ALL the kids and families of America - at a time when teen birth rates are climbing for the first time in years - would be a travesty.

Posted by: marsi | September 2, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

It's becoming more and more clear that Palin will become a liability.

BRING BACK ROMNEY !
Before it's to late !

Posted by: PulSamsara | September 2, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

JerseyJohn: I'm not wanting it both ways. I'm with you! But I do not consider the birth of a baby a "profound tragedy." Those comments I reserve for the end of life, not the beginning. What I do find tragic though is two 17 year old's being forced into marriage. At least the groom is not happy about this development.

Posted by: Opa | September 2, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

WOW, THANKS MCCAIN, CHOOSING PALIN AS SAME AS ENDORSING AND PRAISING OBAMA QUALIFICATION AND
HIS CHANGE POLICY , EVEN PALIN PRAISED OBAMA'S ENERGY PLAN
ON AUGUST 4, 2008, GOVERNOR PALIN SAID, "I AM PLEASED TO SEE SENATOR OBAMA ACKNOWLEDGE THE HUGE POTENTIAL ALASKA'S NATURAL GAS RESERVES
REPRESENT IN TERMS OF CLEAN ENERGY AND SOUND JOBS," .
IN A SPEECH GIVEN IN LANSING, MICHIGAN, SENATOR OBAMA CALLED FOR THE COMPLETION OF THE ALASKA
NATURAL GAS PIPELINE, STATING, "OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, WE SHOULD ALSO LEASE MORE OF THE NATIONALgl
PETROLEUM RESERVE IN ALASKA FOR OIL AND GAS PRODUCTION. AND WE SHOULD ALSO TAP MORE OF OUR SUBSTANTIAL
NATURAL GAS RESERVES AND WORK WITH THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT TO FINALLY BUILD THE ALASKA NATURAL GAS PIPELINE,
DELIVERING CLEAN NATURAL GAS AND CREATING GOOD JOBS IN THE PROCESS."

Posted by: Jane | September 2, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

"We may be seeing the first woman president. As a Democrat, I am reeling,”
said Camille Paglia, the cultural critic. “That was the best political
speech I have ever seen delivered by an American woman politician. Palin is
as tough as nails.” - Camille Paglia (lefty cultural critic and unabashed
lesbian feminist)

keep an eye on what Paglia has to say ... as it's usually interesting and
more honest than what's typical on the left.

Like quick sand,the more the left attacks Palin the stronger the Palin / Mc Cain ticket becomes.

Posted by: rtfanning | September 2, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

The shocking virulence with which the attack has been conducted.....


will blow up in their faces as middle aged white males are energized to gallantly rush to her defense in November.

Palin will be the face of self sufficiency,morality, real feminism & the icon of anti nanny state that all of us can look at for 4 very difficult restructuring years ahead.

Posted by: rtfanning | September 2, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

And the next shock will be “the baby she’s holding at the convention is actually hers”???

I’ve always thought a person’s personal life should be a person’s own choice, and this is another example of how GOPs are so very hypocritical. It’s not OK if you teach sex ed in schools or provide condoms to teens. It’s not OK for women to make their own decisions on unwanted pregnancies or their own lives. But it’s great family value if your teen age daughter got pregnant outside of wedlock and decided to keep it??? I think all who support the so called “Christian” values are kidding themselves because they are having pre marital sex and all other un-Christian activities just like non religious people. It’s time for them to step down the self righteous pedestals—especially those evangelical mega money machines that have nothing to do with Christ but to enrich themselves with their followers’ donations. They are a joke to our intelligence and a pathetic image of this nation.

Posted by: Maddi | September 2, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Bristol Palin's pregnancy and all the family stuff should make no difference to anyone's vote. What are Palin's opinions on the economy and Iraq? On Immigration? On healthcare?

Let's get her on Meet the Press and find out.

Posted by: Sunshine | September 2, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

>> Energy- no drilling, no nuclear plants, no coal shale, only wind mills or inflate your tires or don't eat corn, put it in your car.Gas prices will go to $7 or $8 a gal. > Socialist health care-- long waiting list for operations, for children's care, for dental care, prescriptions, etc. etc.
Doctors will be fleeing to other countries that allow private practice. > When he carves the military up---- Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Syria,all the terrorists, will have a field day testing him, and carrying out attacks here and in other countries.Georgia is an example. > Socialist redistribution of wealth--- Take from the rich, the oil companies, small business and give to the uneducated, lazy,and freeloaders. Results--=-massive loss of jobs,large increase in gas prices,small business going bankrupt, rich moving to other countries. > Abortion and gay marriage---increase in abortions and will be paid for by government, increase in gay marriage which will lead to loss of taxes due to benefits equal to same sex marriage. <<

Yeah, I've got twenty dollars. That should cover the loss from a few married gay people.

These are just the cries of the conservative moment in its death throws, the same repeated lies of 1000 radio talk show hosts that have pretty much just lied their way through life.

Posted by: TJ Weldy | September 2, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Before she sets the wedding date, the governor should check with the groom. He's not that interested in getting married and even less interested in being a father. Check with the foreign papers, they all have this story. Very interesting.

Posted by: Opa | September 2, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Is this going to affect the Palin family's plans to buy the text from Lynn Spears' xian parenting book and release it under the governor's name?

Posted by: HardyW | September 2, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

She has too much controversy already, she better drop out now while she can. I don't want her making any national making decisions for me. Congratulations Obama, you now get my vote.

Posted by: Bob Freeburg | September 2, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Palin: They say I'm young and I don't know
We won't find out until you go
McCain: Well I don't know if all that's true
'Cause you got me, and baby I got you

McCain: Babe
BOTH: I got you babe
I got you babe

Posted by: hamishdad | September 2, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I don't recall anyone of any real gravitas talking about Palin one way or the other.

What I think would be interesting is for someone with press credentials and Washington phone book to touch-base with the Republican side of both the Senate Armed Services Committee and the Senate Forgein Relations Committee - and get their reaction to Sarah Palin as their boss. The VP is the President of the Senate after all.

Posted by: NoOneImportant | September 2, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

My favorite candidate, Colin Powell, bowed out long ago because of the animals who would spend any amount of time and money to dig up what the opposing party would consider dirt. Smart man.

I guess one of the qualifications of candidate for office is the ability to counter hate talk with "my talking points". My fear is that we will only have the choice of those who a) have never set foot out their front door or b) don't care about their families.

How do we know that an ex porn star, high school drop out, or DWI driver wouldn't make the best leader in history?

Posted by: Tom Mariner | September 2, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

JOHN MCCAIN MADE ONE MISTAKE: GETTING SHOT DOWN.
HE MADE A BIGGER MISTAKE WHEN HE GAVE HIS CAPTORS MORE THAN HIS NAME, RANK AND SERIAL NUMBER.
MCCAIN CRACKED. HE CONFESSED TO WAR CRIMES, SLANDERING US FIGHTING FORCES AND OUR NATION IN
A PROPAGANDA FILM MADE TO ORDER FOR THE NORTH VIETNAMESE COMMUNISTS.
I WAS A PRISONER OF WAR IN VIETNAM, BUT I DIDN'T BETRAY MY COUNTRY AND MY COMRADES IN ARMS
THE WAY JOHN MCCAIN DID. AMERICA'S ENEMIES MAY WANT A TRAITOR, CHEATER AND A COWARD AS OUR NEXT PRESIDENT
BUT I SURE DON'T. SO I WON'T VOTE FOR JOHN MCCAIN.
TRUE CHRISTIAN AND FAITHFUL PERSON WILL BE STUPID TO VOTE FOR MCCHEATER WHO HAS ADMITTED ADULTERY, SINCE VOTING FOR HIM AS SAME AS ENDORSING ADULTRY.

Posted by: kevin | September 2, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

To all you Obama robots and cool aid drinkers, How are you going to act if Obama gets elected and all his phony promises are put into law. Here will be the results.

Energy- no drilling, no nuclear plants, no coal shale, only wind mills or inflate your tires or don't eat corn, put it in your car.Gas prices will go to $7 or $8 a gal.

Socialist health care-- long waiting list for operations, for children's care, for dental care, prescriptions, etc. etc.
Doctors will be fleeing to other countries that allow private practice.

When he carves the military up---- Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Syria,all the terrorists, will have a field day testing him, and carrying out attacks here and in other countries.Georgia is an example.

Socialist redistribution of wealth--- Take from the rich, the oil companies, small business and give to the uneducated, lazy,and freeloaders. Results--=-massive loss of jobs,large increase in gas prices,small business going bankrupt, rich moving to other countries.

Abortion and gay marriage---increase in abortions and will be paid for by government, increase in gay marriage which will lead to loss of taxes due to benefits equal to same sex marriage.


Compensation to blacks because of slavery, amounting to billions of dollars.

assistance to college kids amounting to millions of dollars, also to be used by them for parties, drugs and sex.

Many, many more of his ideas will fail.

What will you do when all his promises and ideas fail. Will he still be the "one" "yes we can" "Change we can count on."

His promises are as false as he is, the biggest fraud in the history of this country!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

"Hell man, the death of a spouse is a profound tragedy, not the birth of a baby!"
Posted by: oPA

I agree. However,doesn't the hypocrisy of no abortion even to save the mother’s life after a brutal rape give you pause to reflect on your quote? The death of a spouse IS a profound tragedy. You and Sara can’t have it both ways.

Posted by: Jersey John | September 2, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Another instance of poor McCain judgment. As a great lady said, "No way, no how, no McCain."

Posted by: Hillary supporter | September 2, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

WOW, THANKS MCCAIN, CHOOSING PALIN AS SAME AS ENDORSING AND PRAISING OBAMA QUALIFICATION AND HIS CHANGE POLICY ,
NOW ASK THIS QUESTION WOULD MCCAIN HAVE CHOSEN PALIN IF OBAMA HAD CHOSEN HILLARY WHOM WOMEN
SUPPORTED HER BECAUSE SHE'S STRONG, EXPERIENCED, MATURE AND WAS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENCY NOT VP? IS IT MCCAIN FIRST OR COUNTRY FIRST?
MCCHEATER BY CHOOSING A PRETTY, PERKY, YOUNG HOCKEY-MOM GOVERNOR FOR HIS RUNNING MATE REGARDLESS OF THE FACT
THAT EVEN HER OWN COLLEAGUES UP IN ALASKA SAY SHE'S NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME, AND HER UNMARRIED 17-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER WAS FIVE-MONTH PREGNANT, WHILE HIMSELF CALL WOMEN VULGAR
NAMES SUCH AS C&NT. CHEAT ON THEM BY DOING ADULTRY, THEN DIVORCE AND MARRY A RICH, YOUNGER WOMAN TO LAUNCH THE POLITICAL CAREER ,
ONE MONTH LATER. DO NOT GIVE THEM RIGHT TO CHOOSE WHAT TO DO WITH THEIR OWN BODIES. OPPOSE EQUAL
PAY FOR WOMEN, BY AVOIDING TO VOTE ON THE FAIR PAY ACT. WOMEN WOULD HAVE TO BE EXTREMELY
DUMB AND SELF-LOATHING TO SUPPORT JOHN MCJERK, VOTING FOR HIM AS SAME AS ENDORSING ADULTRY.HOW COULD YOU TRUST THIS CHEATER MAN TO LEAD AMERICA?

Posted by: kevin | September 2, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

This is totally an issue that needs to be talked about.
1. Palin preaches abstinence only programs; obviously doesn't work, she should have been telling her kid about condoms. now she says that her daughter has made the decision, 'choice' to have the child.
2. On an associated issue we are all supposed to be so proud of the fact that she decided to have her child with Down’s syndrome. That’s great, but listen, she said she made the 'choice' to carry the child to term.
Fundamentally here what she says and what she does are two completely different things.
In both cases we are to glory in her 'decision' to have both children. why is it that only she can have the 'choice' and she wants to get rid of roe v wade that give other women the same opportunity to make the decision she and her daughter both had the chance to make.
Anyone else see a bit of hypocracy here?
So typical of everyone on the right. It's always a problem when its someone else, but never when this rooster, or moose, comes home to roost.

Posted by: tom | September 2, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, it would be hard to find even 2 hours for church time no mention 20 years.

Posted by: jy2008 | September 2, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Well, so much for family values. I'd say it will be pretty tough to become the VP (or President) with 5 children, and grandchildren. Busy life, or will the tax payers pay for care for the whole family?

Posted by: Shannon | September 2, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Amy Goodman Arrest Link:

http://www.democracynow.org

Posted by: Jersey John | September 2, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I don't think Bristol Palin's pregnancy is a political scandal in its own right, but there's an element of hypocrisy in Sarah Palin's reassuring statement that Bristol will have the child, marry the father, and they will (presumably) live happily together. The father had a MySpace site, just removed, in which he claimed, "I'm a f...kin' redneck", and more relevantly, "I don't want kids".

It doesn't appear as though the concept of "choice" managed to surface in this decision making. Even so, these decisions should be respected. Like all families, the Palin family should enjoy a fundamental right to privacy.

Posted by: fmoolten | September 2, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

To: AND2REW: Why in hell should a pregnancy be a "PROFOUND TRAGEDY"? The birth of any baby should not be considered a tragedy. I guess the fact that this young lady is 17 and single is your definition of tragedy! Hell man, the death of a spouse is a profound tragedy, not the birth of a baby!

Posted by: oPA | September 2, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Chris:
OUT SIDE THE HALL:
Were YOU outside the hall???

Democracy Now host Amy Goodman and producers Sharif Abdel Kouddous and Nicole Salazar have all been released from police custody in St. Paul following their arrest by Minneapolis Police.

Goodman was arrested while questioning police about the arrest of Kouddous and Salazar. Law enforcement officers used pepper spray, rubber bullets, concussion grenades against protesters and journalists. Demonstrators were arrested including a photographer for the Associated Press. How dangerous is an AP photog?
Amy Goodman is a renowned author and commentator and deserves better.
CHECK OUT THE LINK OF THE ARREST. ’68 redux

www.democracynow.org


Posted by: Jersey John | September 2, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I think its much more important the fact that McCain cheated on his 1st wife with his rendevouz in Hawaii in 1979 with Cindy leaving behind a crippled woman in his lust for political betterment and gaining a rich wife for his mischief.

But alas the media just wants to ignore these facts when it was the republicans who touted family values as one of their most important precepts to being a good republican.

Does anyone see the hypocrosy from Jack Abramhoff, Rep Ney, Randy Duke Cunningham, and Larry Craig. Greed corruption and phoney family values, what a bunch of sick, sick, sick, people

Posted by: Larry | September 2, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

So, to recap, we have an Alaskan secessionist who advocates for abstinence only education the effectiveness of which can be clearly divined in light of her teen daughter's pregnancy and who feels that using her office to seek revenge against her sister's estranged husband is acceptable is nominated for VP by potentially the oldest president in history who has a history of skin cancer and other health issues...

Supporting McCain is insanity.

Posted by: TJ Weldy | September 2, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Joe who ?
What speech in Denver last Thursday ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_vaH2BjVeA

My Vice President is going after Congressional earmarks and corruption...the left is sweating bullets

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#Early_life

Posted by: rtfanning | September 2, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

The unexpected pregnancy of the Palins' 17-year-old daughter is a profound family tragedy. It is a private matter, and it does not signify that her mother and father were bad parents. But anybody who tries to spin this tragedy as a positive story, or claim that it's God's will, should be ashamed.

Posted by: and2rew | September 2, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

... and who here any longer contends there is no sexism in this election? !!!

If Palin were a man, would this be news? NO!

See, men have men things to do - like running government, and
Women have women things to do - like take care of the kids.

About time Americans, particularly liberal Americans, get over it !!!

As Obama people say, "nothing here - move on"

Posted by: Keith | September 2, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Palin runs Alaska like the Mob. Forced marriages are common there.

Posted by: Johna | September 2, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

What a freak show - the media reporting on the media...alot like Clinton on Clinton...nauseating.

Posted by: Superpower | September 2, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

The issue about Sarah's daughter is unfortunate but we should leave her daughter out of this. The real issues are about:
- the temperament and rush to judgment(about important issues) of McKain. Much as I did like him 4 years ago I would be alarmed NOW at his being the finger that pushes the button -BOMB! BOMB! BOMB! was his immediate reaction
- I wonder how much of an outcry there would be if Obama had belonged to the Illinois Independence Party seeking secession from the country. The papers would be filled with stories about not being patriotic etc. Sarah Palin, potential VP, being a member for 2 years in 1990 for the Alaska Independence Party(that sought secession from the US) is a much more serious issue. What did she want ? Join the country that is close to Alaska - Canada? Russia? Once again a serious issue about judgment on her part and on the McCain vetting process and judgment.
- It was admirable that Sarah refused the $200+ million for the bridge to nowhere. But the real story seems to be that she agreed to the funding before her election; after the election she changed her mind - very convenient. But that is not the end - she failed to state that she still got the money which she is using for other purposes. Not "thanks but no, thanks" as she stated in her speech. Come on let's have the whole truth
-

Posted by: ninan | September 2, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I was amazed to see that Obama has openly and righteously requested people not to criticize Palin's teen age unmarried daughter's pregnancy because his late mother had gone through the same way. I wonder if he would also endorse the behavior of his late African father who has abandoned a number of woman and their children who he fathered.

Posted by: austin b | September 2, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

People are not attacking Palin's daughter, they are rightly pointing out the hypocrisy of a Republican establishment that has advanced the politics of character assassination and undermined the Freedom of Religion in pursuit of power. The internet should be replete with apologies from Republicans for supporting right-wing media and party wackos who bludgeon and litmus test fellow Americans with some Biblical passages when politically expedient, while not doing so with other passages like those on fidelity, fornication, shell fish, swine, and indentured servitude. Christian Fundamentalists in the Republican Party and Media that want to impose their particular religious interpretations on others can't have it both ways:

Either, a pregnancy is a personal matter SEPARATE from government (as most open minded freedom loving Americans argue), or it isn't.

Christian Fundamentalists want to impose non-medical/religious-only beliefs on people outside of their church in a nation where your pledge of allegiance means you swear not to do that. By advocating the enforcement of her spirituality into law, Palin invited us to do something we shouldn't have to: to examine the consequences of the imposition of Palin's religious beliefs on those of us who don't share them. Hypocrites deserve worse than being put in front of a mirror that reflects the "family values"/"I'm more Christian than you" that were used to distract the nation from a rational and substantiated discussion on issues that are most deserving of our attention.

Christ was the first to advocate a separation of church and state when he declared "Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's" (Matthew 22:21, see also John 18:36). Don't you dare use him to hide your lack of integrity, self-reflection, and moral courage. Not even someone who Christian Fundamentalists believe is fit to run the country and pick Supreme Court justices; who embodies their "Christian Values"; is able to keep her adolescent daughter abstinent. If you don't want people to look at how well the politics that puts "abstinence-only education" ahead of adolescent welfare worked out for your daughter, do us all a favor, mind your own business and remember your oath to uphold the Constitution means real American patriots would sooner die than allow their or anyone else's religious-only beliefs to be forced onto others.

Posted by: Edwin | September 2, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I was watching MSNBC, or the Obama news channel, for a few minutes. They had the Gov. of Iowa on, Vilsack. He made a comment that was incredible,ridiculous, and just plain stupid and biased.Of course what can you expect from a left wing liberal, who sounded like he was drinking some of that ethenol. He said Palin's character is in question because of some minor things she said and did, which in the long run, amount to nothing.Talk about being biased and in the tank for Obama. He was never asked about Obama's character.Associations and friendships with, Wright, Ayers, Rezko, Phleger,his marxist friends. etc. etc. Talk about a hypocrite. Vilsack, you are an idiot. Palin would clean your clock in a debate. Go back to your state and drink some more ethanol. McCain and Pain in Nov.!!!!!!!!

Posted by: frank v | September 2, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Shotgun marriages don't last long. I guess the deal was- you get married and stay married until my political career no longer needs it.
But it isn't really a 'deal' when one party has absolutely no power.

Posted by: marriagechoice | September 2, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

What happened during Cindy McCain's trip to Georgia last week. Did she have a makeover?

Posted by: PLB, MA | September 2, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

The media should continue to explore the Pallin candidacy and her family including pregnant daughter for these reasons:

1) Pallin's true ability as an executive decision-maker and her judgment as a leader and a person. Does she have one standard for the public and a different standard for her family? (brother-in-law, daughter, etc.)

2. Or is Pallin simply bait for women voters because of "aw-shucks" likeability and a slap at the need to fix this country's problems economically and socially. Another Republicans' ploy to win at all costs.

3. As Republicans would say, "Character matters." as with Clinton and Lewinsky, Edwards and the filmmaker, Larry Craig and top-tapping, McCain and his female lobbyist BFF.

We're not discusing "Juno" movie plot, this debate is about our country's future, and public discussion is fair and just.

Posted by: Vicky, Pennsylvania | September 2, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

. The issue is not Bristol's pregnancy, but rather that Ms. Palin is against sex education in school and now her daughter is paying the price.

Thanks Mom for running for VP and humiliating me not in my little home town of 6,500 people... but outing me to the WORLD by running for VP. Mom put herself first, just like McCain... JM campaign first, USA second.

Posted by: Jersey John | September 2, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

McCain: I want you, Sarah. I want you so bad. I want you. I want you so bad. It's driving me mad. It's driving me mad. She's so heavy. Heavy, heavy, heavy. She's so...

Posted by: hamishdad | September 2, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

In response to "bluesman" regarding Senator
Obama's half-brother who lives in Kenya. How in the world is Obama suppose to keep track of his fathers' off-spring? This was a man who abandoned his wife and two-year old son...a man who Obama saw "in the flesh" one time in his life! Does Obama
know this guy, or anything about him? Why not ask SUPER-RICH Cindy McCain why she denies even having a "half-sister?" Her bio states that she is an "only-child!" So,
"bluesman" pick another talking point...this one is null and void!

Posted by: Carolyn Phillips | September 2, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

"Hope & Change, give me a break. Change to what? France?"

Change to Communist Cuba is much more likely. Mr. Obama is mother was not even married to his birth father when he was conceived. In fact his birth father never married his mother, who over time would jump from man to another man (God knows who deserted whom). Bristol is going to marry his sweetheart, Levi. That should be the end of it.

Have you counted how many women of various backgrounds were brought into the White House by JFK, who bragged to the British Prime Minister he had to do that every two days to keep his sanity? Ever wonder why John Jr's mother Jackie married the Green shipping magnate so soon???

Posted by: Brent | September 2, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Of course, the issues are as follows:

1. Who/what Sarah is, not her who/what her daughter, Bristol, is.
2. What Sarah's selection says about McCain's judgment, impulsivity, and making a political choice instead of a patriotic one (What may help win the election or create enthusiasm in the GOP versus. whats is best for the nation.}
3. Keeping far too much secret, if indeed, McCain already knew what has been coming out since the announcement of his choice.
4. Other than meeting the age and citizenship requirements for being a vice president, how much REALLY is she qualified to be vice president or president.

By the way, why have not we heard anything about Sarah's academic credentials other than she was a journalism major and political science minor at the University of Idaho? Did she have any particular academic achievements? Since she has such a limited political/government record and, apparently, no articles or books, it seems very important to know more about her intellectual ability than supporters saying she is smart.

Posted by: Byron | September 2, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Bristol, do not listen to your mother. Listen to Mr. Obama. He went to Columbia and Harvard Law and is much smarter than your mother!!! He wants to keep abortions legal exactly because of cases like this. He wouldn't want his teenage daughter to be burdened with an unexpected baby. You shouldn't be either.

Posted by: matt | September 2, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I'm not into the story of Bristol Palin. I do find it interesting and revealing in some ways.

Bristol Palin is reportedly 5 months pregnant and "planning" to get married! That's right 5 MONTHS PREGNANT!

I was wondering why she was continually holding her 4-month old little brother (vs her dad which would have been more appropriate) when McCain announced her as his running mate. I think she was hiding her pregnant belly with her little brother.

Turns out that the admission of the Palins was due to the blogosphere "burning up" with news (although false) that Gov. Palin's 4-month son was actually the son of her daughter Bristol. So it was the power of the internet that "forced out" the admission by the Palins.

Bottom line it doesn't pan out well for the McCain campaign to be on the constant defensive about Gov. Palin, since August 29th!

Posted by: Obama-Junkie | September 2, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

For the record, I support Obama. However, I wonder whether Palin's political ambitions, in light of her apparent familial obligations, would be in question if she were a man. Male politicians experience family issues regularly and nobody wonders why they still want to hold office.

Posted by: Hilary Smith | September 2, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

To me, the issue is not that Sarah Palin's 17-year-old daughter has conceived a child out of wedlock. God bless them all. My 16-year-old mother married my 19-year-old father a mere 4 months before I was born, in a small, rural New Jersey town less populated than Wasilla, Alaska. No, the issue is that if it were the *Democratic* vice presidential candidate's teenage daughter who was pregnant, then Karl Rove, Fox News, and the Republicans would scream 24-hours nonstop about Democrats' poor family values. "Why didn't her parents teach her abstinence?" they would say. But since Sarah Palin is one of their own, they push the "well, she didn't get an abortion" button.

All you conservatives out there, you know this is true.

Posted by: dognabbit | September 2, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Wow, she wasnt vetted enough to please a bunch of WP reading liberals! Well guess what? That only endears her to us more.

At least the GOP's inexperience isnt at the top of the ticket.

Hope & Change, give me a break. Change to what? France?

Posted by: DStiers | September 2, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I want you, Sarah. I want you so bad. I want you. I want you so bad. It's driving me mad. It's driving me mad. She's so heavy. Heavy, heavy, heavy. She's so...

Posted by: hamishdad | September 2, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

THE PALIN IMPLOSION CLOCK IS TICKING...

Chris:

"Without oxygen" the Palin story will flicker? Seems like the flames are spreading. Now we learn that:

1. Palin was "for" the bridge to nowhere before she was against it, casting doubts on her statements about the subject.

2. Palin, McCain "soulmate," secured multi-millions in earmarks for her tiny Alaska hamlet of Wasilla, quite a contrast to the McCain record and rhetoric on pork-barrel spending.

3. Palin was a member of a successionist fringe radical political party in Alaska, as reported yesterday by ABC News' Jake Tapper.

4. Palin's office reportedly took down pictures of her family from the official Alaska state web site, something first reported by bloggers who posted "cached" copies of the pictures, but later confirmed by those who attempted to view the same pictures on the official web site.

5. Conservative web sites have begun posting articles and commentary questioning McCain's vetting process and the wisdom of naming a candidate with no national security experience (notably, a lead post over the weekend on RedState.com). It's been noted that the "talking point" about her commanding the Alaska National Guard is in itself specious; Cindy McCain's silly remarks about Alaska being close to Russia only add to the farcical nature of the Palin apologia.

Chris, if you talk to the right people, you may find that a change is in the wind -- why else would the McCain campaign keep Palin cloistered today, with no public schedule?

Not all Repubs are falling in line here. GOP powerbrokers have to be troubled by Palin's lack of experience and McCain's forfeiture of the experience argument against Obama. As I predicted last night, this pick cannot stand; her withdrawal could be imminent. Please stand by...


BUT WILL THE ELECTION EVEN MATTER? Not when government-supported "vigilante injustice" squads are "gang stalking" American citizens, making a mockery of the rule of law:
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/get-political-vic-livingston-opinion-expose-state-supported-vigilante-squads-doing-domestic-terrorism

WHAT IF THEY COULD SHOOT YOU
WITHOUT LEAVING A TRACE? THEY CAN.
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/zap-have-you-been-targeted-directed-energy-weapon-victims-organized-gang-stalking-say-its-happening-usa-1

Posted by: scrivener | September 2, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Abortion could have been made illegal any time in the last 8 years, but not one single republican even tried. Thhey had all the power and time but nobody even tried. Everybody likes Roe vs Wade, even republicans. They just like to use that crap every time they run for president. It's the only human thing in their party.

Posted by: DR.ProChoice | September 2, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

BROTHER DEMOCRATS AND BARACK OBAMA SUPPORTRES!!!!!

Let's do something that they don't think we would do; Ignore this pregnant teenager scandal. Let their own supporters realize that republican party can not come up with decent candidate for the president and VP. CAN WE DO THAT?

Posted by: BOBSTER | September 2, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I don't care that her daughter is pregnant, no news there as far as I'm concerned other than Ms. Palin preaches the abstinence crap.

There are far bigger issues that people should be questioning in regard to Ms. Palin's qualifications:

1. The current abuse of power investigation
2. That she hired a lobbyist for Wasilla, a town of 6500 to bring in earmarks. Appears he did a good job and brought in $27 million.
3. She was a member of a secessionist group that disclamed being American.
4. She would not support abortion even in the case of her daughter being raped.
5. She believes man has no link to global warming.
6. Oh yeah how about the police chief and the head of the library system she canned when she was mayor.

I could go on.....

The real point to be made here is that Ms. Palin was not properly vetted. This speaks directly to Senator McCain's decison making ability. This decision was obviously not very well thought out and is an obvious reaction to the rejection by the right wingers of a potential running mate who supports abortion rights.

Posted by: stlouisguy | September 2, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

....and if your kid get's pregnant well my tax dollars will help to eradicate the piece of crap growing in your young daughter's womb. no problem Obama has it covered ... OBAMA 08 "Oh Hell Yeah!".

Posted by: OAKE_FROM_MUSKOGEE

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OAKE, all this could have been avoided w/ sheath of pre-coidal latex and perhaps some education.

However, I feel your frustration. Please be aware that it not too late to join us. OAKE, change and progress does not have to be feared. With it comes growth.

Posted by: Godhimself | September 2, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Police estimated the crowd of protesters at 8,000 to 10,000 For the first day of the Republican National Convention in St. Paul.

Beyond a hurricane and VP hopeful with a unmarried pregnant 17 year old daughter, 10,000 protesters against the Republicans says something. These are people who got up to do something and get their voices heard.

Kind of like unknown keynote speakers or delegates for Change.
We should listen to them.

Posted by: MacPlastic | September 2, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Republicans are master's of the double standard. If Bristol were a 17 poverty sticken minority you know the outpouring of Republican support would be sadly missing. In its place would be condemnation. If it were Joe Biden's daughter, the Democrats would be accused of being godless and Biden would be labeled unfit as a vice president.

But that's not a reason to vote AGAINST Palin. Her politics are enough of a reason.

Beauty and the Beast are not fit to run this country.

Posted by: marybeth | September 2, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Does not talking about sex-ed work?

Pro-life, blames 40 million unjust deads! How many people are dead from the Wars that the U.S. has waged in unjust and illegal ways? Oh but lets (Pro-lifers) kill as many people as we can in unjust wars! That's Pro-life! On clause, as long as it's a Muslims life, it okay, got to love the conservative right!

Posted by: Palin tell me? | September 2, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Obama's mother was pregnant at 18, NOT 17. You are consider an adult in the 50 states of America at 18 not 16 (she is 5 months pregnant, that means she was 16 not 17 when she got pregnant)!

Republicans are so hypocritical when it comes to morals, and they call the dems morally misguided! Everything is Obama's fault. I thought we were talking about Palin's family and her issues (some vetting process)!

Once again McCain shows poor skills in how he would be a President (in his choice for Palin)! Wake up America, voting for McCain means voting for the unknown (Opps, that's the Republican motto for Obama's Presidency)! This would not be news if it wasn't for the dailykos who had broken the story (and no I do not recommend such website because mainly they are filled with incorrect stuff, but they happen to be correct on this one (at least 50% correct, originally stated that Palin's newborn was Bistrol's baby, that's wrong!)! Palin and McCain were willing to hide this until who knows when. Some pro-lifer he and her both are! If you were not ashamed of this and you are pro-life, then big deals upfront with it on your Ohio acceptance speech instead of spending time pandering to Clinton voters!

Posted by: Get it right | September 2, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Obama's mother was pregnant at 18, NOT 17. You are consider an adult in the 50 states of America at 18 not 16 (she is 5 months pregnant, that means she was 16 not 17 when she got pregnant)!

Republicans are so hypocritical when it comes to morals, and they call the dems morally misguided! Everything is Obama's fault. I thought we were talking about Palin's family and her issues (some vetting process)!

Once again McCain shows poor skills in how he would be a President (in his choice for Palin)! Wake up America, voting for McCain means voting for the unknown (Opps, that's the Republican motto for Obama's Presidency)! This would not be news if it wasn't for the dailykos who had broken the story (and no I do not recommend such website because mainly they are filled with incorrect stuff, but they happen to be correct on this one (at least 50% correct, originally stated that Palin's newborn was Bistrol's baby, that's wrong!)! Palin and McCain were willing to hide this until who knows when. Some pro-lifer he and her both are! If you were not ashamed of this and you are pro-life, then big deals upfront with it on your Ohio acceptance speech instead of spending time pandering to Clinton voters!

Posted by: Get it right | September 2, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is the first "conservative" candidate that Americans have a chance to vote for since 1984. You wonder if conservatives will vote for her? (What have you been smoking?)

Posted by: Johnny Iceman | September 2, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Too bad this story is off limits. Under the circumstances, I'd like to see somebody ask Mrs. Palin how that conservative "abstinence only" education plan worked out ...

Posted by: Barry Johnson | September 2, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

NYC Man is responsible for most of those 'African American and Hispanic' girls getting pregnante in the first place. Lock him up now!

Posted by: Newark Man | September 2, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Alexandrian - How do you know that Obama was or wasn't ever "anything". Every time anyone asks anything about his past the are attacked as a racist. Telling the truth about a black man is America is racist? Obama is only almost black. We should be able to tell the truth about his white half?

Posted by: Jon Iscream | September 2, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Palin is an excellent choice. She is a self-made woman, a mother of five who has been given the chance to take the nation by storm. I'm a Ron Paulite but I must say that I'm giving McCain my vote because of his choice of running mate. The Obama movement reminds me of a new Hitler (who incidentally was a rabid supporter of abortion). All his talk is in metaphors. No substance. The guy is an abortion madman. Just Google "Born-alive Infants Protection Act". He voteed against it. Considering 50% of abortions are carried out on African American and Hispanic girls ya would think he'd care!!!! Wolf in sheep's clothing. Rock on McCain!

Posted by: NYC Man | September 2, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Let's see... Palin supports Alaska legislation of abstinence instead of sex education... that sure worked with Bristol. Family values in action.
As a Christian I am disgusted at folks like Palin who fail to instill values in their children. Yes I am Conservative but this is really sick. Abortion is no solution but niether is Palin. I have children and they are pro-life and practice abstinence. Palin sure is no success in running her family and God only help us if she ran our country.

Posted by: Redchilly Hot | September 2, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Obviously it is the liberals who get abortions....I think the count is around 40 million babies killed since Roe v Wade that's 40 million stupid liberal women that don't know how to prevent getting pregnant.

Posted by: jince | September 2, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

For Lena:

You make the statement that it is "absolutely not recommended to have babies after 40". Are you a doctor? Where and when did you receive your medical training? I have three children and my OB/GYN (who happens to be very respected in his field and conducts research in addition to practicing) told me once that he's comfortable treating pregnant women into their mid 40's. And you're assuming that Gov. Palin's pregnancy was accidental. You sound like the one not fit to have children.

Posted by: Laura | September 2, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

How Gov. Palin raises her family is her business as is her beliefs. What troubles me is that she wants to force her view of religion, reproductive rights, morality, ethics, freedom of speech, evolution, etc. on my family and I.

I’m glad they believe in rights to gun ownership because I fear that I will need that gun to defend myself when her people kick down my door and drag me off to reprogramming camp because I do not pray to the right God in the right way or enough. Or I said the word Darwin out loud and someone ratted me out. Perhaps it is because I did not put up an approved Nativity Scene during Christmas.

This is the real issue along with McCain’s view of the world. He supports this and believes they have the right to force me to be like them. Less then six degrees of separation from the Taliban.

Posted by: NYC | September 2, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

BROTHER DEMOCRATS AND BARACK OBAMA SUPPORTRES!!!!!

Let's do something that they don't think we would do; Ignore this pregnant teenager scandal. Let their own supporters realize that republican party can not come up with decent candidate for the president and VP. CAN WE DO THAT?

Posted by: BOBSTER | September 2, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Obama hates america?

He was never member of an organization dedicated to the breakup of america.
Palin was a member if ais

Posted by: Alexandrian | September 2, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

I have nice Bristols, too.

Posted by: Dolly Parton | September 2, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Obama's mother was pregnant with him at 17....Oh how awful!!
Oh! heavens! her mother was not a good parent she couldn't even control her own daughter.
Oh, What a shameful situation!!
Oh! What a terrible mother she was.

Posted by: jince | September 2, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

I say this as a Democract:

1. It doesn't matter. kids often do things their parents don't want them to do.

2. Obama has specifically asked Democracts not to verbally attack Palin and her family.

3. It seems McCain was told about this and selected her. Good for him.

4. Vice-president picks have VERY little impact on how people vote. Therefore, this is all unnecessary hoopla.

Posted by: Jack | September 2, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Palin's daughter's pregnancy in no way affects how I view Palin's ability to be Vice-President. Having two children in their 20's, I can tell you the teenage and "young-adult" years are difficult and children have a mind of their own. Parents are there to lead and guide them, but children can and do stray from the path. Instead of just blaming the parents, I would have us look at our present day society that seeks to make sex overly appealing to young people. Look at our culture's music, television, films, teenage models wearing and promoting sexually-revealing clothing, etc. Why would we suppose ANYBODY'S children would be immune from these influences. Peer pressure and media influence are very real and kids do act on them.

Posted by: txtransplant | September 2, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

For all you Democrats calling for Palin's daughter to get an abortion, think about Barack Obama's mother in the same situation 47 years ago, when this type of situation was far more taboo. Think how she felt, think before you start calling for someone else to get an abortion.

Posted by: Mary | September 2, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Gotta love those sexist democrats. First they slimed Hillary and now they go after a 17 year old girl.

Democrats will forever more be known as the Sexist Party. Got "sweetie"?.

Posted by: reason | September 2, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

With apologies to very few of you, does anyone here want to discuss politics? Is it CC's choice of subject that brings out the juvenile and vapid discussions of the irrelevant? Did anyone else her who is not a social conservative or an Alaskan know of Sarah Palin's extreme social conservatism before last week?

I thought I "liked" her two weeks ago, presented, as she was, as a crusading reformer and clean government activist.

Had I known that she favored teaching creationism, or book banning, or a "no exceptions" prohibition of abortion two weeks ago I would have written to McC and asked him not to consider her. I know, that would have been like spitting in the ocean, but if many McC contributors had known of her actual political stances it might have made a difference.

If I just missed this and the WaPo, for example, has reported this in the past, let me know. I will take the blame for having missed the news.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | September 2, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Palin's poor parenting and her desire not to raise her Down's syndrome baby herself show Palin to be another hypocrite who doesn't mind interfering with other people's right to privacy.

Posted by: tanaS | September 2, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Here it comes - the tear down of women. We Clinton supporters have already experienced the ferocity - the violence - with which the media, the old boys club, the kos/moveon crowd, Obama himself with his mother hate, and his supporters in general raped Hillary. Careful, Republicans, don't underestimate these people. Obama hates women, just as Ted Kennedy hates women. Obama does so because his mother abandoned him, Ted because it was women, after Chappaquiddick, who denied him his presumed climb to the Oval Office. Obama and Kennedy are two peas in a pod – anti mother, and anti women.

Posted by: Truman_Plan | September 2, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

I heard that Bristol's baby is actually John McCain's, but that's just what I heard....

Posted by: Michigander | September 2, 2008 8:55 AM
__________________________________
I heard Michigander was the father of Obama' daughter.

Posted by: xantiphi | September 2, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

I heard that Bristol's baby is actually John McCain's, but that's just what I heard....

Posted by: Michigander | September 2, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Even Christ who led a perfect life committed no sin..........those who opposed him
lied, accused, beat, spit upon him and killed him.
Even a perfect VP would not stop the lies and ugliness from the opposing team and the media.
As usual majority of the accusers are much worse than the accused....accusers have to dig up dirt on somebody else in order to justify their own dirt to themselves.

Posted by: xantiphi | September 2, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

The First Ammendment guarantees the right to Free Speech. So why did Sarah Palin want to start censoring that right while mayor of Wasilla? She wanted to ban books. This is beyond even Bush or Cheyney. In fact it is one step away from a 'good 'ol book burning'.

No to the unvetted, untested far right Palin.

Posted by: Mike | September 2, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Amazingly, only Republicans make mistakes or act questionably. Obama never used drugs, never studied Islam in Indonesia, never muscled his way into office in Illinois, never flip-flopped, never associated with radicals, never altered his website, never exaggerated his accomplishments, never acted arrogantly, never played politics-as-usual during his campaign, never played the race card, etc.

Let's face it - no matter who McCain picked, the assault would come. Romney is too at odds with McCain but also too much like him with too many houses. Pawlenty is too inexperienced, just another white guy, and a political choice (Biden is not political, naturally). Lieberman is the 'fall guy' for the Republicans... blah blah blah.

The real problem for Democrats is that Sarah Palin is a representative of a certain political mindset, which is anti-abortion, anti-gay-rights, pro-drilling, mainly. Her personal affairs are of little consequence, unless you want to bring in Joe Biden's big mouth, plagiarism, and other frailties.

Joe Biden is no more qualified to be President than anyone else. If he were, he wouldn't have failed in his Presidential bids. I think it speaks volumes that a former beauty queen can rise so quickly from mayor to Governor to possible VP. The real question is, what fuels the meteoric rise? The answer is a combination of ambition and positive qualities.

Posted by: tonyfazio | September 2, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Amazingly, only Republicans make mistakes or act questionably. Obama never used drugs, never studied Islam in Indonesia, never muscled his way into office in Illinois, never flip-flopped, never associated with radicals, never altered his website, never exaggerated his accomplishments, never acted arrogantly, never played politics-as-usual during his campaign, never played the race card, etc.

Let's face it - no matter who McCain picked, the assault would come. Romney is too at odds with McCain but also too much like him with too many houses. Pawlenty is too inexperienced, just another white guy, and a political choice (Biden is not political, naturally). Lieberman is the 'fall guy' for the Republicans... blah blah blah.

The real problem for Democrats is that Sarah Palin is a representative of a certain political mindset, which is anti-abortion, anti-gay-rights, pro-drilling, mainly. Her personal affairs are of little consequence, unless you want to bring in Joe Biden's big mouth, plagiarism, and other frailties.

Joe Biden is no more qualified to be President than anyone else. If he were, he wouldn't have failed in his Presidential bids. I think it speaks volumes that a former beauty queen can rise so quickly from mayor to Governor to possible VP. The real question is, what fuels the meteoric rise? The answer is a combination of ambition and positive qualities.

Posted by: tonyfazio | September 2, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

I find SAra PAlin totally irresponsible. being pregnant at 44 is very dangerous as the risk of having a baby with the Down Syndrome is high. If she believes so strongly in life and is against abortion , she should have taken stricter birth control measures . It is absolutely not recommended to have babies after 40.
She should think about her own risks before teaching her children birth control.
Giving life to a baby is no joke. If she cannot take that responsibilty, then she is not fit to be vice president, or presiden for that matter

Posted by: Lena | September 2, 2008 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Chris, I didn't know you had gone to work for the Enquirer... I mean the Washington Post. You've been spending too much time around that misogynist and worst-journalist-in-the-world Matthews; both of you are acting like queens or 12 year old girls.

You are a bright guy, please use a little intelligence and report on something above the level of "Dear Diary"

Posted by: Right of San Francisco | September 2, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

I agree with Barack that family, especially children are not part of the political campaign. It would be helpful if the Republicans thought the same way, but when the end justifies the means anything goes. One problem I do have with the Republican response is that they spun it so far that they were touting the pregnancy as if because of it more people should vote Republican. I condemn the extreme left for using it, but I also condemn the extreme right for trying to take advantage of it and also their condemnation of anything said about it when they have attacked the Obama family wrongfully and unmercifully as the hypocritical extremes are prone to do.

Posted by: John | September 2, 2008 8:41 AM | Report abuse

To me it just shows how poor both obadma and stupids morality is. America find a descent president and vice president. Both of these freaks of nature are Bush trash Inc.

Posted by: Wayne Owen | September 2, 2008 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Can we now talk about Obama's 1/2 brother who live's in a hut on a $1 a month. Obama need's to start with his own family before trying to fix America.

Hut sweet Hut!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: bluesman | September 2, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Much is being made of McCain's maverick actions. Yet the old guy justly owns the title of Bush hugger and he reportedly let Rush Limbaugh and social conservatives veto his originally favored ticket mates.

Some maverick!

Of course if roll-the-dice decision making is the test, he surely departs from pols cautious and careful on behalf of their constituents.

Posted by: 2mature2bHornswoggled | September 2, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Where is the NAG Gang??? I thought the NAG's would rally around a female headed to Washington DC, it appears their agendy has come to light; "only a radical liberal" get's their support.

Posted by: bluesman | September 2, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

What ever, but it's all good for ever right-winged blog to report on Obama's family (and McCain say nothing to stop it, but let Obama had been smug about it). His brother in Kenya (Sean Hanity offering on air to send a check for $1,000 dollars), his children here (all the attention payed to them), his wife (her proud of America statment, looped over and over), his sister in Hawaii (concerns about her status and husband) and so on. In fact I don't think any media outlet has a problem with air out anything on Obama. Funny nothing is off limits when it comes to him (Obama). Ask Foxnews, DruggReport, Obama Nation Arthur (who use sources from blogs, no real credited sources) and so on about this! If anything, this is really news, social conservatives like Palin have railed against teaching sex-ed in schools, Obama has been hammered by the right on his support for this matter, but oh a 17-year-old girl can have a baby (be 5 months pregant) and that be no problem for Evangelicals and social conservatives? The real issue is unprotected sex, the risk at catching something, what does this say for the great mother aspect of Palin herself? Every right-winged outlet was quick to say oh, "she is a mother of 5, she is doing well to raise all those kids, so on , and so on"! Using her motherhood as a prerequisted for being able to handle the job of vice. This country continues to have a double standard for Reps and Dems. I just hope the same media attention will be place upon the Palin family just like it has been placed upon the Obama family.

Posted by: YEah okay | September 2, 2008 8:31 AM | Report abuse

It’s clear the Palin was never properly vetted and was simply tossed into the ring as bait for conservatives. This is becoming a fiasco…

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: matt | September 2, 2008 8:31 AM | Report abuse

RE: Oake from Muskogee's comments about becoming like a "prissy European country." It is comments like this that actually INCREASE our national security risks. Conservatives love to talk about Obama being an "elitist" but these xenophobic comments fuel American hatred abroad and increase the risk of another terrorist attack. I remember a time not too long ago (think Bush I) when diplomacy and level headedness was a conservative value.

Posted by: BillBolducinMaine | September 2, 2008 8:25 AM | Report abuse

If Sarah can't even keep her 17 year old daughter in line (according to her religious/moral values), then how in the world is she supposed to deal with Russia's Putin, Iran's Ahmandinejad, North Korea's Kim Jong-il, the leaders of Pakistan, Hezzbollah, Hamas, the Al-Qeada.

The woman already has enough on her plate - a Down's Syndrome Child, a son in Iraq, daughter facing an unplanned pregnancy, a wedding, Troopergate.

There are lots of other PTA hockey moms that can take her place by McCain's side, but these kids only have one mother.

Posted by: lapatosu@hotmail.com | September 2, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

The daughter should be personally left out of the discussion, but the mother is definitely open to question. How would she react should it be the daughter of a democratic candidate who was pregnant? What does she believe the education systems involvement should be? Should only "abstinence" be taught, with no discussion of birth control? What about safe abortions....after all, some people will seek abortions legal or otherwise. The point is, teenage student pregnancy IS an issue that can and should be discussed, especially if it happens in such a prominent family as a governor's (even if it is a small, third rate state).

Posted by: FLTNVA | September 2, 2008 8:21 AM | Report abuse

I am so excited. I can't wait until we elect Obama and become a prissy European like country. And God knows with all that foreign policy experience that Obama has he'll know what to do! Hey and you know what "Marxism' isn't all that bad. You'll only be waiting in line for that heart bypass for several years....and if your kid get's pregnant well my tax dollars will help to eradicate the piece of crap growing in your young daughter's womb. no problem Obama has it covered ... OBAMA 08 "Oh Hell Yeah!".

Posted by: OAKE_FROM_MUSKOGEE | September 2, 2008 8:15 AM | Report abuse

It's not about Bristol's pregnancy, it's about John McCain's jusgement...or lack thereof! With all of the talented women in the Republican party why this one? To energize the far right!! Give me a break.

Posted by: Lulu | September 2, 2008 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Not sure who Palin would bring to the Republican side who wasn't already on board. Conservatives will not vote for Obama anyway. If this is about exciting the base so they go to the polls instead of staying at home, I am not sure that the recent revelations are "exciting," at least not for Republicans.

I think the choice of Palin will alienate many independents who were on the fence. I like John McCain, but this choice coupled with how he dumped his first wife who waited for him for years while he was a POW raised serious questions in my mind about his integrity and judgement. I am not hot on Obama either, but now I am starting to warm up to him.

Posted by: skeptic | September 2, 2008 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Unless you can state that the Alaska school system had 'abstenence only sex education classes,' it seems to me that Gov. Palin's point is well taken (if not a bit of evidence that tends to prove the benefits of abstenence only education.)

The hypocracy lies with (1) those who assert that more sex education will invariably lead to fewer pregnancies (Can anyone prove that it has?) and (2) those who have never had a problem with anyone else's pregnancy out of wedlock, but have a problem with this one. (Conservatives have family issues just like the rest of us; hopefully they handle them in a fashion consistent with their moral outlook. Sarah Palin and daughter seem to have done so.)

Any hypocracy would be demonstrated if the unborn child were aborted at Gov. Palin's request or suggestion, but that is not going to happen. Sounds very consistent, not at all hypocritical.

Posted by: Roy | September 2, 2008 8:07 AM | Report abuse

@Head of State

You have too much free time, do something productive.

Jon

Posted by: Jon | September 2, 2008 8:02 AM | Report abuse

This was not a story with political implications and is not worth any media attention, outside the gossip columns and grocery check-out tabloids.
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Gov. Palin's far right fundie views were unknown to me a week ago. I so wish that "The Fix" had reported about them when CC first met Gov. Palin.
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mark_in_austin@operamail.com

Posted by: MarkInAustin | September 2, 2008 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, but the pregnancy is an issue especially since Palin has consistently been against reproductive rights, family planning and every other measure that tries to ensure that every child has a chance in life. She's so "hot" to tell others what to do, but she'd better stop "thumping" the Bible and remember that "people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Palin's negatives keep growing by the day. As an American, I want a Vice-President who would be capable of governing should the unthinkable happen. The GOP has a number of possibilities and Palin isn't one of them.

No foreign experience, very little domestic, a radical agenda that is far outside the mainstream of most Americans, a moral example that is, at best, questionable, use of state office to intimidate and attemps to fire a former brother-in-law and it goes on and on and on.

Just who is going to take care of all those kids? How can Palin represent us abroad if she's needed to do so? How are her kids going to adjust to school in a D.C. that is "light years" away from Alaska? How does America adjust to a possible Veep, whose name will now bring smirks on the faces of a lot of us.

Agreed that any 17 year old in this condition should be protected and, as Barack Obama stated, is off base in any campaign. However, the experience and judgement of the mother is relevent and needs to be examined. So do the motives and vetting process of the McCain Campaign.

Posted by: Pop Goes the Weasel | September 2, 2008 7:48 AM | Report abuse

I have been appalled that in this frenzy, there has been little consideration for what has happened to Bristol Palin.
Did Bristol Palin, at 17, convince her mother to go ahead with the vice presidential campaign ? What judgment do you suppose played in the decision to subject this young woman and the father of the baby to the inevitable international attention? Did McCain and the Palins think that the pregnancy would remain secret?
Now ask yourself…you are Sarah Palin and John McCain asks if there is anything he needs to know about you that may come out in the campaign.
So you tell McCain, “Well my 17 year old unmarried daughter is 5 months pregnant”.
Do you suppose that she and McCain said, “Well, she’s almost old enough to vote, she can take the heat, Game On!”
What parent would knowingly make their child the subject of this avalanche of publicity?
If McCain, as he insists, did know about the pregnancy, what calculation did he make about the impact on Bristol and the father versus his own desire to have Palin on the ticket?
It is amazing that the facts would be presented to the public voluntarily and that a plea for privacy would follow.

Posted by: emptyk | September 2, 2008 7:28 AM | Report abuse

From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/intrusive-personal-questions-from-palin.html

Monday, September 01, 2008

"Intrusive Personal Questions" from the Palin Vetting Questionnaire

"Mr. McCain’s advisers said repeatedly on Monday that Ms. Palin was 'thoroughly vetted'"- The New York Times

Palin "responded to a 70-question form that included 'intrusive personal questions' a senior campaign aide said today."- The Washington Post


"Intrusive Personal Questions" from the Palin Vetting Questionnaire:

1) Did we forget anything?

2)Why are we choosing you if we discovered all of this?

3) Secession from your own country is

a) Patriotic
b) A qualification to be the potential leader of that country
c) Maverick-y!
d) None of the above

4) Did we forget anything?

5) Moose Burger : Abstinence as Moose Hunting :

a) Brother-in-law
b) 50 state flag
c) Bridge to Nowhere (after it was made impossible)
d) All of the above

6) Three Vice Presidential candidates are moving from three equidistant fixed points towards a podium. One, in his slightly glazed stare and awkwardly quasi-combative speech bears a faint resemblance to Dan Quayle; the next can only assist the ticket as we near closer to Rapture; the third seems to have stumbled out of one of Christopher Buckley's sharper efforts. Which one arrives at the podium first?

7) "Nothing that has come out did not come out in the vet." This sentence actually means:

a) Everything has come out and everything has been vetted
b) Everything that was vetted has come out
c) Everything that has come out was vetted
d) The vet came out and vetted the vets vetter than anything has ever been vetted. Really.

8) You are a right-wing, red-state conservative. During the Clinton Administration, you believed that President Clinton's behavior with Monica Lewinsky disqualified him from the Presidency on moral grounds; you fervently raised the terms "Lincoln Bedroom" and "Johnny Chung" to invoke notions of utter corruption, and regarded the "Travelgate" firings as an abuse of power. In the face of the recent revelations regarding Palin's directorship of Ted Stevens' 527, support of the Bridge to Nowhere, "Troopergate" imbroglio, and illegitimate pregnancy of her 16-year old daughter, you:

a) Blame George Soros
b) Talk about Bill Clinton instead of Palin
c) Hold your hands over your ears and loudly shout "La la la"
d) Try to change the subject

9) "Foreign policy experience" includes:

a) Being near another large nation
b) Seceding from your own country and then taking up residence in the new nation
c) Being close to "Nowhere" in your support for the Bridge to Nowhere, which is different than being "Somewhere"
d) Blame George Soros

10) If you were seeking to choose as your running mate someone who would please Evangelical Conservatives with very traditional values, who would be without taint of corruption or misuse of government power, and someone who, in line with your campaign's own slogan, would put "Country First", after thorough vetting and "intrusive personal questions", you would choose someone who:

a) Supported the Bridge to Nowhere
b) Supported the secession of Alaska from the U.S. (Slogan: "Alaska First!")
c) Was the subject of a state ethics investigation due to allegations that she had tried to have her brother-in-law fired and that she fired the state public safety commissioner due to his unwillingness to fire the brother-in-law
d) Would suffer from allegations that her 16 year old child had become pregnant illegitimately, despite her fervent support for abstinence only sex education
e) None of the above

Cite
Head of State:
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/intrusive-personal-questions-from-palin.html

Posted by: Robert Hewson | September 2, 2008 7:18 AM | Report abuse

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