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Convention Cheat Sheet: Unite the Clans!

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton
(AFP/Getty Images -- Paul J. Richards)

DENVER -- Hillary Rodham Clinton came into her speech last night at the Democratic National Convention with a huge task: to help her erstwhile opponent unite a party that seemed on the verge of tearing apart in the aftermath of the most protracted primary race in modern history.

The run up to the speech Tuesday was nerve-wracking for many of her supporters, some of whom expressed anxiety about Obama's ability to bring the two sides together and adequately defend himself against increasing negative attacks from the McCain campaign.

She did her part with a powerful address that cast the differences between herself and Barack Obama as minor when compared to what is at stake in the election. Clinton also scolded those among her supporters who insisted that they simply could not bring themselves to support the Illinois senator in the fall.

Clinton seemed at times more comfortable in her role as a surrogate than she did as a candidate; rather than selling herself to voters, Clinton was able to advocate for her ideas.

Whether or not Clinton's speech is the start of a broader movement by her supporters into Obama's camp, it's hard to imagine that the New York senator could have done much more for her colleague from Illinois than she did tonight.

Other highlights from the night (and day) that was:

OUTSIDE THE HALL: Casting a bit of a shadow over Clinton's speech was the news, which hit less than an hour before the New York senator took the stage, that her husband -- also known as the former president of the United States -- would not attend Obama's nomination speech Thursday night at Invesco Field. Bill Clinton's relationship with Obama is widely described as strained and this news will only heighten the anticipation and trepidation when the former president takes the stage tonight.

INSIDE THE HALL: We've long know that Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer had potential on the national stage. He showed it tonight with an absolute stemwinder in which he implored the audience to get on their feet -- serving an important role as the cheerleader in chief and a perfect lead-in for the Clinton speech. Schweitzer won himself some admirers tonight and ensured that he will almost certainly be in the mix the next time the Democratic Party goes looking for national candidates.

BEST GIVEAWAY: Politicians who poke fun at themselves are endlessly endearing. As a self-professed fan of Gov. Tim Kaine's infamous eyebrow arch, how could we pass up this button being circulated by the Virginia governor's political action committee.



WORST TAKEAWAY: Former Virginia Gov. Mark Warner had a major opportunity as the keynote speaker at the convention. But, his speech felt flat and emotionless on television, a reaction confirmed by several sources inside the Pepsi Center. Those who follow Warner closely know that while he has improved dramatically as a speaker, he is still not at the level of either Bill Clinton or Barack Obama. Warner didn't seem able to fill the arena tonight and, while he likely didn't harm his future national aspirations, he didn't do much to help them either.

VIDEO OF THE DAY: Dana Milbank, a pig snout, a banana and a condom. Shot by the post.com's videographer Akira Hakuta, this one is an instant classic.

PARTY OF THE NIGHT: The Sleuth's Mary Ann Akers on the need for a no-name band to make a Denver party great.

By Chris Cillizza  |  August 27, 2008; 7:00 AM ET
Categories:  Convention Cheat Sheet  
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Posted by: jjjjjjjjj | August 29, 2008 12:50 AM | Report abuse

JakeD, dude, sorry to hear about your blockage, but that cracked me up. That is what is missing from so many posts. Humor!!

Posted by: jimimosey | August 27, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Fellow Democratic Americans,
Let's not waste what precious time we have before E-Day tolerating the Republican attempt to weaken us or divide us into separate camps, pitting Democrat against Democrat. We cannot allow our party’s message of hope to be reduced to an example of division. We must remain focused on the objectives of our campaign; for it is the most important campaign of our time. We have had eight years of meaningless promises and rhetoric, eight years of being made to fear the wrong enemy and an eye opening eight years of seeing what fraud, carefully disguised as integrity, has done to our nation. We cannot allow ourselves, however unintentionally, to become roadblocks to success. Our Democratic leaders need a clear path in order to pave that road on our behalf.
I’ve always felt that our most honorable and compelling characteristic as Democrats is our ability to step up to any challenge responsibly, unselfishly and with the capacity to work tirelessly towards resolutions. We do not neglect our promises. We level the playing field. Our abiding passion to ensure that all Americans are given equal opportunities in all things is what has made us a party that is respected, admired, and emulated around the world.
Every time we are distracted from our common goals a Republican gets his wings. Certainly if we look for faults among ourselves we will always find them. But when we look for leadership in the face of adversity, in the wake of challenges and in real life experiences, we find our common denominators and therein, the heart of the Democratic Party.
Now, more than ever we must be united in our belief and trust that our party's proven ability to effectuate positive, life-long, life-altering change can once again become a reality.

Posted by: Terri Thomas | August 27, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

If you can live with more of the same of the past 8 years, vote for McSame. If you want a change, and I am not saying this is the answer, but we do need a change from the past 8 years, we need to vote out the Bush regime. Think long and hard who you want to run (term loosly used) the country. These next four years are critical to the American way, if there is still such a thing. We need our governing bodies to think with their minds, not their pocket books.

Posted by: inkman | August 27, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I was just forwarded an email saying that John McCain tried to defect to the Vietnamese while a prisoner. Does anyone know if there's any truth to that?

Posted by: John Mi Kanh | August 27, 2008 2:30 PM

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You're an idiot! Find a door, stick your head in it and keep slamming it until you come to your senses.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2008 2:35 PM

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The truth about John McCain is locked away in Washington. The files are sealed. And yes, he is labeled as a traitor. He did give up information when he was captured. http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/

Posted by: Mike | August 27, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I read Henny's comments and yes very well written and thought out, but an extremely radical rant. First off I partialy agree with her pro-choice stance, but late term abortion is downright murder and there are a lot of young girls who use it as a contraceptive. There needs to be more education on this subject in our schools for our children. It starts at home, but the public school systems need to start teaching about practical real life situations that these kids will find themselves in after they graduate high school. And why is it that everyone wants to blame the federal government for the lack of response to Katrina. Wake up people and blame the state of Louisiana first and foremost. They knew for years that those levees would never hold in a major storm and they did nothing, they knew for over a week that the storm had the potential of hitting them and had lackluster preperation. But it was easier for the governor and mayor to deflect blame to the federal government. It never ceases to amaze me how so many people want the government to run everything in this country and have everything handed to you as a right just because your a U.S. citezen, but every step of the way the fed's are criticized as bumbling fools. You can't have it both ways.

Posted by: citezen | August 27, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous...I get my FACTS from Obama's book that he wrote for 1. For another, the FACT that he DID attend a racist church for 25 years. I got my FACTS from Michelle's words that she was never proud to be an American. I got my facts from Obama himself and I quote, "As I've said about the flag pin, I don't want to be perceived as taking sides. There are a lot of people in this world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression." WHAT??? In his book he states, "There is noone suffering more than the Palestinian people." And also states, "If the tides turn I will stand with the Muslims." Want more, YOU do the research!!!!

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Do you really think Rev. Wright preached kill white'e for 20 years. Not to mention the fact that there's several different preachers. And you know Michelle Obama didn't say that. How friggin low will you go. And if you had a brain in your head, you'd know that the Palestinian people have been getting smashed by Israel for years. Who do you think helps them do it. Who do you think paid for Israel's military. We did. American tax payers. Were we called terrorists when we were fighting for our home. I think it's time you stopped getting your information from FOX. http://www.un.org/Depts/dpa/ngo/history.html

Posted by: Mike | August 27, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I was just forwarded an email saying that John McCain tried to defect to the Vietnamese while a prisoner. Does anyone know if there's any truth to that?

Posted by: John Mi Kanh | August 27, 2008 2:30 PM

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

You're an idiot! Find a door, stick your head in it and keep slamming it until you come to your senses.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I was just forwarded an email saying that John McCain tried to defect to the Vietnamese while a prisoner. Does anyone know if there's any truth to that?

Posted by: John Mi Kanh | August 27, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I AM BLOCKED! NOTHING SHALL PASS!
BLOCKAGE! THE PAIN IS LIKE NOTHING I HAVE EVER FELT BEFORE!

AND MY KIDS SOLD MY LAXATIVE AT SCHOOL SO THEY COULD BUY CRACK!

(phhhhaarrrrrrrrrtttttt)

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

And look what Hillary's mud slinging campaign brought her. Why are you worrying about Russia and China. If we get into a war with them everything will be gone. Most of this is about oil any way. Do you really think we can just keep killing people for what we want. And I can show you the clip of Bush saying he hasn't paid to much attention to finding Osama Bin ladden. If he wanted Al Qeada he would send bombers into the mountains of Afghanistan and bomb the hell out of them. What kind of moron president locks down the country and takes away our freedom, then refuses to secure the border. I see thing's a lot different than you. We got a bunch of rich criminals pulling the strings that make everything happen in this country. We are being lied to bigtime. Listen to this from Kucinich yesterday night. I would assume the media blacked it out, as always. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=womp4Wh8KzI

Posted by: Mike | August 27, 2008 1:23 PM

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Mike: Let's hit your points, #1 It wasn't Hillary's mud slinging that lost her the primaries, it was that her campaign completly underestimated Obama with his ground (door to door) campaign and internet use for fundraising. #2 You worry about Russia & China because like it or not we are dependant on oil and several other commodities like copper, aluminum, steel, concrete, you name it, the prices are being driven up because of demand and these are communist countries that will, if powerful enough (as we've seen in Georgia) will impose their will upon weaker countries which will in turn just make even worse for the U.S. if we just stand idley by and do nothing. #3 Killing people for what we want? Since when has the U.S. taken anything from Iraq (I'm assuming you are talking about Iraq) we haven't taken one drop of oil out of that country, so it was okay with you for Saddam to commit the atrocities he'd been commiting for years while the UN just buried itself with useless sanctions that he ignored. #4 The reason Bush hasn't paid too much attention to Bin Laden is because he's become just a figurehead and killing him would just make him a martyr and embolden their cause. Believe me, he still would like to catch him before his term is up. #5 To be president of this country, in the current system, you have to be rich or your campaign is dead before you start. As for the criminal element, politicians aren't that far off from the Soprano's, just look at how many so called friends of Obama have been whacked along the way. Don't be so naive. You're right we do see things differently. I base things on reality and you listen to a guy (Kucinich) who believes he was abducted by aliens. What kind of votes did he receive in the Primaries...oh, no wait he received intergalactic, telekinetic messages from the planet moron. Wake UP!

Posted by: citezen | August 27, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I love Brian Schweitzer, I wish he was my Governor and I wish ten percent of all politicians had his political cojones, but while he would be fun to watch, he would be a typical insurgent candidate: gathers press momentum before falling flat on the party faithful. His position on guns: "I have more than I need, but less than I want." His position on nationally mandated standards for drivers licenses: NO! This is to be expected in Montana (and NH on the drivers license), but it will not fly nation wide unless he changes himself, and then what is the point?

Posted by: muD | August 27, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Aren't my observations just so PITHY, though? and the tone in which they are offered... mmm. I can see the faces of my readers now - first uncomprehending, then the slow and shameful realization that I, JakeD, have again made them into an object of fun.

JakeD, the Merciless!
JakeD, the Terrible!
JakeD, the Wisest, Most Sarcastic Mofo ever to pollute a blog.

Y'all better BOW DOWN, yo.

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Henney has written the most intelligent comment on here. Check it out if you are just joining. I'm taking a lunch break here in Colorado and thought I would stop by. WOW. What a breath of fresh air to read her.

Posted by: Robin | August 27, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous...I get my FACTS from Obama's book that he wrote for 1. For another, the FACT that he DID attend a racist church for 25 years. I got my FACTS from Michelle's words that she was never proud to be an American. I got my facts from Obama himself and I quote, "As I've said about the flag pin, I don't want to be perceived as taking sides. There are a lot of people in this world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression." WHAT??? In his book he states, "There is noone suffering more than the Palestinian people." And also states, "If the tides turn I will stand with the Muslims." Want more, YOU do the research!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

A magnificent speech by Hillary. Go through the motions of supporting Obama, since a McCain victory means another go of it in 2012. A skilled and measured connivance, that.

I notice that she wasn't a "proud wife," given all the pride she expressed yesterday.

Posted by: Tsotsi Mae Jackson | August 27, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

What kind of qualifications do you need to do the right thing. You can either vote for thing's that serve the people, or vote for things that feed the greed. Don't take my word for it. Just look at the shape our country is in from the last round of qualified leaders you elected.

Posted by: Mike | August 27, 2008 12:32 PM

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Mike: The Russians are coming! Al Queda is still a major threat. China, Korea well they're China & Korea. I agree with you that we need someone to fix our economy, but we won't have one let alone a country to call home anymore if we allow a bunch of pot smoking tree huggers that think they can just tax everyone to death let the government run everything, and sit around a table with all these vicious dictators and sing songs and hold hands and we'll all be friends. We need a president willing to make tough decisions and stand by them. Obama can't even stand up to the Clintons.

Posted by: citezen | August 27, 2008 12:41 PM

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And look what Hillary's mud slinging campaign brought her. Why are you worrying about Russia and China. If we get into a war with them everything will be gone. Most of this is about oil any way. Do you really think we can just keep killing people for what we want. And I can show you the clip of Bush saying he hasn't paid to much attention to finding Osama Bin ladden. If he wanted Al Qeada he would send bombers into the mountains of Afghanistan and bomb the hell out of them. What kind of moron president locks down the country and takes away our freedom, then refuses to secure the border. I see thing's a lot different than you. We got a bunch of rich criminals pulling the strings that make everything happen in this country. We are being lied to bigtime. Listen to this from Kucinich yesterday night. I would assume the media blacked it out, as always. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=womp4Wh8KzI

Posted by: Mike | August 27, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

henny, you absolutely rock! Every point made with forethought, honesty and integrity. Your post should be required reading. So many folks are blinded by dogma and political bent (sadly one and the same these days) that reason and rational thought are discarded. The political right is very good at throwing stones at anyone that does not adhere to their political/religious beliefs. The key is to taint opposing viewpoints as "unpatriotic," "murder," "terrorist," or "elitist." Then spread the untruth often enough so that the uneducated believe it is truth. The same tactic works when attempting to place religious doctrine into secular schools. The problem is that it seems the only doctrine that is presented is Judeo-Christian. Can you imagine the hew and cry if Muslim groups tried the same thing?

Posted by: jimimosey | August 27, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Hi citezen

Screw it, let's just go to war with all of them and see how long we last.

Posted by: elbuzz07 | August 27, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Henny, if you are reading, I absolutely loved your comment and how you delivered it. Very inspiring. Thank you.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

bleu!

Posted by: Ponzo | August 27, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

What kind of qualifications do you need to do the right thing. You can either vote for thing's that serve the people, or vote for things that feed the greed. Don't take my word for it. Just look at the shape our country is in from the last round of qualified leaders you elected.

Posted by: Mike | August 27, 2008 12:32 PM

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Mike: The Russians are coming! Al Queda is still a major threat. China, Korea well they're China & Korea. I agree with you that we need someone to fix our economy, but we won't have one let alone a country to call home anymore if we allow a bunch of pot smoking tree huggers that think they can just tax everyone to death let the government run everything, and sit around a table with all these vicious dictators and sing songs and hold hands and we'll all be friends. We need a president willing to make tough decisions and stand by them. Obama can't even stand up to the Clintons.

Posted by: citezen | August 27, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's "problem" has been Bill. She should have divorced him after she got elected Senator from NY. I certainly would have had more respect for her had she done so.

I didn't want Bill having an Office in the West Wing again...and that's why she got passed over for the Vice Presidency.

:-)

Posted by: toritto | August 27, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Sick and twisted. It doesn't appear you truly understand. Why would think this is ok. Yuck.

"i understand that women who are rape or incest victims may be scarred for life by what happened to them and may not WANT the baby that is forming inside them, but what did the baby do to deserve death? how does killing the baby bring the victim "closure" or "revenge" for what happened to her? "

Posted by: elbuzz07 | August 27, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

MJ - "Hillary's reference to a bald cancer patient who wrote her name on her head was just plain tacky..."

Rather like John McCain's brand spanking new story of the Vietnamese drawing the cross in the dirt.

Give it a break! You Dittoheads need some new talking points, the old ones are so transparent and just plain stupid that they have become trite.

Posted by: Observer | August 27, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

It was interesting that although Hillary said she would support Obama and that the other dems should too, she never once said anything about his qualifications. She didn't actually say one thing about him that would lead someone to vote for him.

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What kind of qualifications do you need to do the right thing. You can either vote for thing's that serve the people, or vote for things that feed the greed. Don't take my word for it. Just look at the shape our country is in from the last round of qualified leaders you elected.

Posted by: Mike | August 27, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

first of all tanaS, it is NOT JakeD... second of all, you didn't see any comments from me assuming to know you or your job (if you have one) or anything about you. think before you type. you made the assumption i didn't have a job and that's why I could "typey-type", remember?? go back to fellating for a living...

Posted by: Jake | August 27, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

For the educated voters, this convention just proved that Obama can be manipulated and pushed around. The Clintons bullied him. By allowing the Clintons to have two days there, it's turned it into a Clinton vs Obama campaign instead of against McCain. No one wants a president that can be pushed around.

Posted by: citezen | August 27, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

"obviously jake is a deadbeat dad--another one of those guys who impregnates a woman and then is too lazy to get a job and take care of the kid." - Anonymous

Funny how anonymous makes these wild accusations that don't really make sense. If you actually read any of my comments you would see that it is the lazy that I can't stand because I work my azz off to be successful and I'm tired of the lazy getting handouts. And my wife completely agrees with me on the abortion opinion. We are both very successful professionals with great jobs, which we have worked very hard to obtain. We both have school loans and own a home which we did not overextend ourselves on (so we don't have to be bailed out by the gov't) and we are very excited to have our first kid. You are obviously a jealous left-wing kook who hides behind a blog throwing assinine assumptions around. Grow up or go back to myspace with your BS.

Posted by: Jake | August 27, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

WELCOME ABOARD SEN.MADAM CLINTON!OUR
FLAG IS FLYING HIGH AND MIGHTY TODAY
YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND LOYALLY
TO OUR DEMOCRATIC PARTY,I AM SO PROUD
TO HAVE YOU ABOARD THE STARSHIP ENTERPRISE
WELCOME TO THE BRIDGE!DAMM THE TORPEPOES!
FULL STEAM AHEAD.BATTLE STATIONS.

OBAMA/BIDEN/CLINTON/DENNIS KUCHIN/KERRY/KENNEDY.AMY KLOBURCH/FRANKEN/
HARKEN/FEINGOLD/MCCASELL/CASEY/RICHARDSON/
BYRD.

Posted by: Horny For Hannity | August 27, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Keith many of her supporters agree with you 100% . O is the annointed one. If he truly wants HC votes he needs to now earn them. So far that has not happened. He should not hide behind her skirt, calling her at 3 am and expecting her to win the Whitehouse for him.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

jakeD: the same words you used about not knowing you applies to to you not knowing knowing us.

Posted by: tanaS | August 27, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Jason: I guess I should of clarified myself, since I'm getting hammered. I was trying to say that is how the Dem's for Hillary see it. Geez! Take it down a notch.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

interestig that it is usually a male like Jake tha makes the most noise about abortion. You would think he was the one with the uterus

And citizen you are corect in saying that there is no satsfyingthe Obama supporters. She will certaily be blamed if he loses. What if she and Strickland carry him over the threshold by let's say 80,00 votes in Ohio whch is smore likely the case. Will they then sing her praise?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

"a gaurenteed victory after 12 years of Republican rule. Bet on it."

What?? Just goes to show what a bunch of fools and a bunch of tools you people are.

Posted by: Jason | August 27, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

McCain Leiberman 08: What the hell does that mean? Wacko! By the the way I'm for McCain.

Posted by: citezen | August 27, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Hillary, you finally had your say so please let's see the end of you now.

Posted by: Keith | August 27, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's reference to a bald cancer patient who wrote her name on her head was just plain tacky with a capital T. It's another prime example of this sore loser's ego. Can you imagine the flack Obama would have received if he had gone around telling a story like that?

Posted by: MJ | August 27, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

obviously jake is a deadbeat dad--another one of those guys who impregnates a woman and then is too lazy to get a job and take care of the kid.


Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

citezen: when you are through with the cross, hop off - someone needs the wood. Time to start wailing, gnashing, and rendering garments. We promise not to notice...

Posted by: McCain Lieberman 08 - No, you're mavericky...no, you're maverick...big kiss | August 27, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

By the way, as a woman, I always view these 'other' women who chant the slogan of sisterhood so loudly, with the deepest suspicion. In the name of feminism, they have been defeating the real cause of democracy and enlightenment. Hillary is a prime example of this delusion and self-serving. For every million so called die-hard Hillary fan club sisters, there are two millions of other women who are just plainly sick and tired of these typically demanding and noisy women.

Posted by: thisworld | August 27, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing you can say to the Obama fanatics that would sway them away. You can present facts and they call it lies, you can criticize and they call you a racist. The Dem party made a huge mistake and they know it. Hillary did what she needed to do to look like a good Dem trying to unite the party and Bill will do the same...make it look good. They want Obama to lose which will set Hillary up for 2012 with a gaurenteed victory after 12 years of Republican rule. Bet on it.

Posted by: citezen | August 27, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

life...: I never know anymore about when the Clintons are solid and when they're BSing.

Posted by: tanaS | August 27, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

How many of you bought the crap Hillary was dishing out last night? Many I suppose. She was being her usual self, conivying and calculating. The problem for her and her equally spoiled sisterhood with this incredible sense of 'entitlement' is that there are even larger number of people who support Obama and a lot of them are very smart people.

These people have seen through Hillary and her aging sister band from the day one and only a miracle or two would be enough to change their perception of Hillary as still very much power hungry and self-centered, political calculator.

It looked and sounded very much like she was preparing for another go at the presidency in 2012, by slyly encouraging her girls to vote for McCain in November, despite the contrary appearance.

Posted by: thisworld | August 27, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

To all you so called "die-hard" Hillary fanatics who are contemplating voting for McCain: what the heck makes you think that McCain and the Republicans are going to return the favor in 2012? You honestly think they're going to step aside and give the presidency to Hillary (assuming she would even get the nomination if Obama loses) because it's her turn? You've got to be kidding yourselves.

Posted by: Dan | August 27, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I know what you mean Jake. I realize that illegal immigrants are having kids for "free" in our hospitals, but in a way we are kind of stuck with that until we improve our borders and immigration programs. I'm not being degrading, but honestly many immigrants are used to substandard conditions and don't mind raising children in such environments. I don't agree with that philosophy but that is their choice. I think children should be raised in safe, healthy, and clean environments and have the necessary items to grow such as health care, education and, most importantly, loving attention. Unfortunatly we end up picking up the bill because they have no social security number, thus their credit cannot be affected (they have no credit really). The bad thing is that you need good credit in order to do anything positive in this country. You can't go further in the US without having excellent credit.

Posted by: lancelot | August 27, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Josh, you sound like an idiot. There is an obvious difference between healthcare, where a doctor takes steps to prevent death, and abortion, where a doctor takes steps to prevent LIFE. Think before you type, dumbazz.

And tanaS, I don't have to work because I am filthy F-ing rich!! How bout you babe? How's the prostitution gig out there in "the west"?

No, really, I am living off the gub'ment check and that welfare cheese. tanaS, and others who question my work status, etc., you don't know me, my race, my age, my credit report, my job, or anything about me other than my opinion on abortion. my job has nothing to do with my ability to type these comments right now. apparently, that is all you have to attack me on... that which you don't have a clue about.

Posted by: Jake | August 27, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Jake - abortion = "communist China?" - does this kid of yours know how much work he/she will have to do overcome being your kid? Wow...

Posted by: McCain - Rommney '08 - what, you broads want rights? | August 27, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

JamesW - re: The debate on when human life begins. Actually, the phony "pro-life" crowd *invented* tthe garbage about life beginning at conception. NOT ONE of the early church fathers believed that. On his writing, Augustine and Aquinas thought 3 months. Paul of Tartus, yes the Apostle Paul, was a member of a group that thought that a fetus wasn't human until it was full term and actually born. Most others believed it began during the final trimester. (And, indeed, most Jewish groups believe that and the Old Testiment seems to suggest that, too). But, and this needs to be stressed over and over, NOT ONE of the classic writers, not one of the early church fathers, believed that life began at conception.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

We all notice that if we scratch a 'Pro-Life' male we ALWAYS find a jerk who will state that his opponent should either be destroyed or is personally attacked.

Posted by: tanaS | August 27, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I hear ya, lancelot. I appreciate the respectable and honest answer to my questions... unlike some other folks on this blog. I understand there is a wide range of reasons for abortion, and I do not hold my opinion as a strong-arming of women's rights. I just think it is wrong and would never want another abortion to happen. Of course women have to make that decision themselves. So to everyone who thinks I don't believe in women's rights, you are wrong.

On another note, as far as your comment on the 41 million Americans without healthcare, I would like to mention the more than 20 million illegal immigrants who obviously don't have healthcare. They go to emergency rooms and have baby after baby after baby for FREE on our Medicaid system, funded by taxpayers like you and me. I would MUCH rather pay for an American citizen, like the mothers you speak of, to get this free prenatal and postnatal care on the Medicaid system if they are unable to afford the $10,000 hospital bills and ruined credit resulting from the birth of a child. So, what I am saying is that I don't quite buy the reasoning that it is too expensive. Illegal immigrants do it every day and multiple times over with no money or maybe with a sub-minimum wage job in construction or agriculture, etc.

Posted by: Jake | August 27, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

The fact is that Hillary Clinton and all her democratic supporters are well aware of Nobama shortfallings and inadequacies and we understand that the serious problems our country is facing requires a president that has the experience and knowledge to fix them efficiently.

Clinton supporters love our country and know we can not afford an affirmative action president and that is why we can not vote for Nobama and will have to make a difficult choice in the November elections between staying home and not vote or be responsible and vote for John McCain, a patriot that loves and cares for America in his conservative way.

There is only one person to blame for the division of the democratic party: Barack Nobama!

He missed the opportunity of uniting the democratic party and creating a strong ticket by accepting the fact that 18 million democrats support Hillary Clinton and she was the best option for VP.

Shame on you Nobama!

Posted by: Manolete | August 27, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

jakeyDee: Hey Where are you? I gave one explanation of what Pro-Choice is and, of course, you attack me, you watzz.

Posted by: tanaS | August 27, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Actually, Josh, when most of us see posts like yours we want to legalize postnatal abortions.

Posted by: Observer | August 27, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

JakeD: Do you ever work? In the West it's already 8:35. Or do you have plenty of time to typey-type?

Posted by: tanaS | August 27, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

"Why on EARTH do you think it is OK to play GOD and kill babies that are defenseless little miracles of life?!?!"

You are absolutely right, why should we interfer with life that god intended.

So no more medical care for you sir, God did not intend for you to live past the age of 30. Put us in the wild, the way god intended, and our lifespan drops dramatically.

I love how these theologists love to give it up to God but love to reap the benefits of science.

By the way, I cant "play God". I actually exist.

Posted by: Josh | August 27, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

tanaS, you are starting to sound like part of communist China with your reasoning for limits on human births! ridiculous! just don't have any kids yourself and the world will be THAT much better off!

Posted by: Jake | August 27, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Keith and Chris are working overtime at MSNBC and the strain is beginning to show. This election is emotional and people do become emotionally attached to certain figues and issues beyond all reason. This is the main reason I support Obama. He demonstrates passion to serve at the same time he remains unflappable and respectful of others. He has what it takes to be a great Commander-in-CHief. Emotional Intelligence is far more important than anything else is effective leadership.

Posted by: Robin | August 27, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

"his lying about his heritage, his being tied to a racist church for 25 years, his unpatriotic smears against the flag and the national anthem, his terrorist sympathising....It sickens me that she and Biden sold their souls to the devil himself, but don't expect the rest of us too."
... where do you get you information from ?? it saddens me to see such baseless and unfounded comments disguised in religious fanatism ... what is your true motive Kay ????!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Jake -

This is America man. We all have the personal freedoms to choose what we do with our lives. As a guy I feel I should NEVER have the right to tell a woman what she should do with her body. Leave that sort of thinking back in the 1800s.

While I personally wouldn't want anyone to get an abortion I can understand reasons why a woman would choose to do so. Economic and family reasons being at the top of the list. For instance, it takes a lot of money to raise a child to the age of 18. There are many families that do not have such an economic advantage to do such a thing.

Then there is health care. 41 million people are without any form of health care in this country. Having a child is still a very big health risk, even with improvements. I have a close friend who had no insurance and just had a baby. She is now in debt for almost ten thousand dollars and has ruined credit because she cannot afford paying the hospital and doctors. She can barely afford to pay for herself (and she is working)and she has to receive food stamps in order to obtain food for her baby. And even that doesn't cover everything the baby needs. Now I can imagine that you, like most Republicans, rally against social welfare. Its so easy to sit back and say "I'm against abortion" and "I'm against social programs" when you have a good job and are making money. You fail to realize that for some women they feel they are making the best decision for them. If y'all won't help fund social programs to help support these children and families, than abortions will continue.

As for family reasons, people have various thoughts on why to get an abortion. Domestic violence in the household, rape, and health concerns are all very good reasons why women get abortions. Anti-abortion activists think women are just out getting abortions for kicks. That is so far from the truth. Women CHOOSE to get abortions based on their OWN circumstances. We are the land of the free and everyone is entitled to their own personal choices and freedoms.

Posted by: lancelot | August 27, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Nobody's going to win the abortion debate, guys. It all hinges on when you consider "life" to start, and there are widely varying opinions all over the board, with no definitive answer. Keep your discussion on the topic at hand (the article); strong statements about abortion just amount to emotional mastrubation.

Posted by: JamesW | August 27, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Wyli D Sarge (aka Dr. Phil): you know what? you have actually convinced me that abortions are OK! what really sucks though, is that your mother didn't have one. it sounds like you are assuming that every kid born to parents (or single mom) who don't think they are capable of raising the kid, is going to turn out to be a psycho or a murderer. in reality, it is a responsibility issue. too many people in this country think that they should be able to push their responsibilities aside or let the government handle them. meanwhile, the people (like myself) who actually work hard to be successful in life, and who actually take responsibility for their lives and do the right thing, get penalized with higher taxes and slapped in the face with entitlement programs that bail out the lazy, irresponsible low-lifes in society.

Posted by: Jake | August 27, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Hillary's "Underground Railroad" reference was priceless. Never stop! Don't quit! GO HILLARY!

I'm really looking forward to see how Bill stirs the pot. Or perhaps more flaccid platitudes will have a similar effect.

Posted by: Harriet Tubman | August 27, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Pro-Choice means recognizing that their is a standard of quality of life that we can expect that ALL humans someday may possess.
Earth's resources are rapidly being depleted. Fresh water is becoming less available. Fertile soil is decreasing due to various reasons. How many humans do 'Pro-Lifers' can live on the planet?

Posted by: tanaS | August 27, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Hillary's speech was very great. I wish she would have said more about Obama, but I think it rallied her supporters. There was actually some crazy person on CNN saying she still not sure...she was so emotional, its like come on guys its politics not religion. People get to attached to politicians, this might be the sign of a depression.

Video: Keith Vs. Chris Another Awkward MSNBC Moment
http://sensico.wordpress.com/2008/08/27/video-keith-vs-chris-another-awkward-msnbc-moment/

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Jake, you are living proof of one of my favorite lines from "Parenthood": "You need a license to buy a dog, to drive a car - hell, you even need a license to catch a fish. But they'll let any a**hole be a father."

Go take of your wife and kid, and stop trying to control the vertical and horizontal in this debate. No one owes you an explanation to your simple-minded challenge, especially women.

Posted by: Obama-Biden '08 | August 27, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Jake, you asked me about Democrats messing with the GOP. Obviously we can assume it happens on both sides but my point is that it is so brazen and acceptable to the right. You mentioned liking Obama but not higher taxes. Low information voters like yourself seem to always fall for McCains deceiptful ads that Obama wants to raise your taxes. Look at any objective study, Tax Policy Center for example, and you will see that 95% of Americans will recieve a bigger tax cut under Obama than McCain. McCain's plan continues Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy, whereas Obama raises taxes for those earning over $250k.

As a small business owner, I depend on a prosperous middle class to create the demand. I think Republicans have harmed our economy by focusing blindly on supply side economics. We need balance. That is what Obama is proposing and McCain is promising more of the same which will continue the disastrous results we are seeing now. A poor economy is a far greater tax on most of us - unless you are part of the wealthy class.

Posted by: Robin | August 27, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

"HILLARY'S CHOICE": AMBITION OVER PRINCIPLE?

• She could have said, "Hell, no!" Instead, she's looks to be putting ambition first.

• More Clintonian calculation than Hillarian courage?


Hillary Clinton delivered a gloriously powerful speech Tuesday night at the Democratic National Convention, an obligatory call for unity that in the end assured her political future while furthering the likelihood of defeat for her party in November.

Was it a "full-throated call" for support of Barack Obama, as was declared by CNN the morning after? Hardly. Nor was it a defiant, "Hell, no!", a clarion call for a valiant last stand.

And perhaps that was Hillary's choice -- once again, trying to have it both ways.

Not once did Hillary tout Obama's qualifications or readiness for the nation's top job. That, combined with her use of Harriet Tubman's "Underground Railroad" entreaty to "keep on going," telegraphed a carefully nuanced message that diehard Hillarians wanted to think that the heard: "He's not ready, I am, and now you must do the right thing and nominate someone who can actually win."

That's an appeal to a higher purpose; but Hillary put it between the lines because she had another priority -- her own ambition, her own career. And in the end, Hillary's concern for Hillary trumped the noble cause.

She could have been more to the point, provoking a roll call revolt that could have denied Obama a nomination that many would argue he does not deserve and has not truly earned. We're cited in this space many of the reasons: His flagging performance in the final primaries; his policy vacillations; his inability to connect with the broader electorate; his soaring but non-specific rhetoric; his questionable personal associations.

A clarion call to a higher purpose -- nominating a candidate who can win in the fall -- would have entailed a measure of political courage and risk that the politician we call Hillary chose not to muster. Because, if her call to arms failed to result in victory, she surely would be the one to be blamed, dooming her political fortunes.

So Hillary lied when she told the convention that the election is "not about me."

Oh yes it is, Hillary -- otherwise you would have been willing to put your own career on on the line to fight for the cause. If you truly believe that the nation's fate is at stake in this election -- not the 2012 election, but this election -- you would realize that you must to everything in your power -- even at the risk of personal sacrifice -- to prevent Obama from securing the nomination.

We believed you when you told confidants that Obama cannot win, that the Democrats risk political suicide by anointing "Him" as their nominee. But in end, Hillary, you were unwilling to really put your a** on the line.

You posed as a vanquished warrior who nobly accepts defeat; but in reality, you chose to make a strategic retreat that served your own ambitions at the expense of that higher cause -- preventing that Bush "third term" that you and others so fear. Perhaps, in terms of your own ambitions, that third GOP term wouldn't be so bad after all; is that it?

Now, perhaps it was another feint. Perhaps the word went out on the grapevine that Hillary wants her followers to hold firm despite the unity call. As this is being written, the vote is about eight hours away; there seems little doubt that Obama will secure the nomination.

If the roll call is suspended, some will consider Obama's nomination illegitimate, wondering if he really could have prevailed in a fair vote. Apparently, the Democrats appear to be ready to accept the suspension of the democratic process in favor of a Stalinistic acclamation proclamation.

But Hillary's message was too nuanced for us to believe that backroom maneuvers will result in Hillary snatching the nomination away later today. No, Hillary has shown herself to be more of a cunning politician than selfless martyr.

And "Hillary's choice" very well may seal the Democrats' November fate -- a stinging but predictable defeat for Barack Obama in a year that should have been theirs for the taking.

BUT WILL THE ELECTION EVEN MATTER? Not when government-supported "vigilante injustice" squads are "gang stalking" American citizens, making a mockery of the rule of law:
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/get-political-vic-livingston-opinion-expose-state-supported-vigilante-squads-doing-domestic-terrorism

WHAT IF THEY COULD SHOOT YOU WITHOUT LEAVING A TRACE? THEY CAN.
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/zap-have-you-been-targeted-directed-energy-weapon-victims-organized-gang-stalking-say-its-happening-usa-1

Posted by: scrivener | August 27, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Okay, if the Clintons REALLY want to unify Democrats and put Obama over the top? Without having to address the pesky little problem of SAYING Obama is qualified? All Bill has to do is say, "Look, of course I thought Hillary was the best candidate. But Barack Obama beat her fair and square and anyone who is good enough to beat my wife in a political contest, as hard as she fought, is more than good enough to be President!" That should about do it.

Posted by: dch | August 27, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I think PUMA really stands for Paid Up McCain
Accomplice. They aren't Democrats, particularly if they support McCain and fall in with what has been wrong with our electorate :It's the stupid. Stupid although stupidity is all too often the child of bigotry and hate, either long developed or fertilized by the Republican rovian slime machine.

Posted by: ejgallagher1 | August 27, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

You know, Hillary Clinton would like to see some legislation passed, yes? And so would her supporters?

Wouldn't it be harder to get those things accomplished if her supporters vote for McCain? Do you WANT another administration which might pass an initiative to define birth control as abortion?

Wouldn't it be easier for Sen. Clinton to get her legislative agenda passed if Sen. Obama won the presidency?

Please, do not cut off your nose to spite your face. Voting for Sen. McCain will neuter (spay?) the power of your candidate of choice.

Posted by: DCX2 | August 27, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

What were there a hundred whiners out in the hall with Bill clinton for the press to feed on. These people think Hillary has some kind of God given right to be president. Just go vote for McCain already. And take Bill Clinton with ya. He's acts like a two year old that's pissed off at his rattle.

Posted by: Mike | August 27, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Dear Jake,

Why on earth do you think it's okay to play god and make complex moral, medical, and life-altering decisions for women you don't know living lives you don't understand? Why do you think it's okay to imply that women as a whole are not capable of making those decisions for themselves? Why do you think it's okay to make a woman a second-class citizen to her own body, or to tell our daughters that nothing they do or think or are matters as much as the chance that gave them a womb? Nobody likes abortion. Nobody goes out and has them for fun. But if an adult woman, fully reasoning, makes an informed medical decision in conjunction with her doctor that is best for her life, her future, her family, and her health, that is her right and her business. Not yours. If a woman who has been raped chooses to have an abortion, or, more likely, take something to prevent conception, she has the right to refuse to let her body be used against her will. The truth of the matter is that women are people, with certain unalienable rights to own themselves, and that the fight to give rights to a zygote is the fight to take the right of autonomy away from women. By giving a cluster of cells the label "person," or "baby," which it does not actually deserve, you are taking the label "person" away from women and putting on the label "womb."

If you want to fight fight the people who do not educate our children, who do not teach them the basics of sex because they hope that ignorance will prove a shield. Fight the government that enlists convicted rapists out of prison and lets them loose in the army, and the companies it supports that helps cover up the shocking nature and number of rapes of American women, solidiers and civilians both, that have taken place in Iraq. Fight the government that failed New Orleans. That cannot provide basic medical attention to its children. Fight the need for abortion. Fight the politicians, the mostly older white males who get up there and somewhat gleefully tell women that if they had sex and sinned thus, well, they deserve the punishment of a baby. Fight the idea that babies should be chains, bonds, or punishments. And then fight the urge to assume that all of us pro-choice people out here don't know as much as you do about the issue. Don't think we haven't thought about it. Don't think we haven't read the stories or seen the pictures. Don't think we haven't thought through it, fought through it, looked at the signs that declare a zygote a person and one more worthy than its host because it lacks sin, and don't think we don't know that the harder, more essential fight, is the fight to prove that women are people, too.

Posted by: henny | August 27, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Obama bin Biden 08:

Do you also think laws against REAL murder = bullying?

Posted by: JakeD
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Why don't you save that load of propaganda b.s. for your convention? Add it you your list of uninspiring, alienating, and tone deaf rhetoric for that week, m'kay?

Posted by: Obama Biden '08 | August 27, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Hillary did a good job of laying out her case for not supporting McCain. Obama needs to take some of Hillary's taking points and hammer McCain.

McCain did believe Women should get equal pay for equal work. McCain doesn't believe in a women's right to choose. McCain doesn't want to end war in Iraq. In fact McCain's rhetoric is poised to start wars with Iran and Russia.

Posted by: Obama-Junkie | August 27, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

I think that Hillary gave a great speech last night. She really wants to rally Democrats around this election. She knows if she had won the primaries she would want Obama to do the same. I think both sides supporters, and especially the MSM, are blowing things way out of proportion. Seems people would rather see drama unfold than have peace and harmony.

As for Bill Clinton... he was a good president people. Yeah he had his personal flaws, but who doesn't. Although I am a proud Obama supporter I still love the Clintons. We shouldn't be so dismissive of Bill's tenure. He created an economic boom in this country and helped us to move further along in science, technology, global business, and personal freedoms. I will never take that away from him and will honor it always. I know Obama will follow in Bill's footsteps and bring about the prosperity we had in the 90's.

Posted by: lancelot | August 27, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Maureen Dowd never met a woman she didn't hate and a democrat should wouldn't trash. Garbage.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Wolf:

If I am so smallminded, please explain why. Not one liberal on this blog has explained WHY they are Pro-choice yet. You see my opinion and reasons why I am Pro-life, so just humor me with your reasons. Smallmindedness is defined by your comment on my thoughts and JakeD's thoughts... no reasons, just accusations and trash talk. Are you gonna sidestep too?

Posted by: Jake | August 27, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

"Why on EARTH do you think it is OK to play GOD and kill babies that are defenseless little miracles of life?!?!"

To Jake: Some of those "defenseless little miracles of life" are born into families that are either incapable or unwilling to love or appreciate them post-miracle. Then what happens?

So they're born. Miracle over at birth. Now we've potentially got a serial killer on our hands or just another person to feed into the industrial-prison complex.

Take your argument out of the realm of murder and reevaluate on terms of privacy. If you still reach the same conclusion, then send your home address to every potential parent that knows they are not capable of raising a child, because someone has to raise that "defenseless little miracle of life."

Having once been a child, I don't believe I'd want to be raised in an orphanage or foster care. Alienation from the beginning is not healthy for the psyche; however, few people do manage to overcome these types of stigma.

I guess that leaves us hope though and the potential for another miracle, right?

Posted by: Wyll D Sarge | August 27, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

You windbags who go on and on about abortion reveal yourselves as the marks and rubes that you are. It's completely unimportant, and none of you knows what you're talking about anyway.

Posted by: bondjedi | August 27, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

poor little jake -- ranting and stamping his little foot, deciding it's up to him to make decisions for all the women in the world.

if you have a kid, jake, why aren't you out making a living, you deadbeat?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

JakeD always reminds me of why it's so important to elect Obama this year. Some day, I hope, we can live in a world where such ignorance and small-mindedness of thought like Jake's --- are only found in history books.

Posted by: wolf | August 27, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Ohhh... did I "bully" you Obama-Biden 08? I'm sooooo sorry. Poor little guy got bullied. This isn't middle school... go back to your myspace blog if you want to "tattle-tale" on someone for bullying. I explained my reasons for being Pro-life. what are YOUR reasons for being Pro-choice? or are you like Claire, only shouting accusations against anyone who has a different opinion?

Posted by: Jake | August 27, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Obama bin Biden 08:

Do you also think laws against REAL murder = bullying?

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton did a terrific job. She couldn't have done better, couldn't have done more. I was not a HC supporter and this speech restored my respect of her. Why? Because her intelligence and desire to make progress towards the common good trumped politics as usual. One of her best lines was when she challenged disgruntled supporters by asking them why they had supported her, hopefully, she made the point, it wasn't just HER that they supported but what she stood for Then she spelled out what she AND her party stood for in a new and forceful way. She wants and needs a Democrat in the White House, and America needs a principled man like Sen Obama in the White House this time around.

Posted by: SylfromMA | August 27, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

By the way, I actually like Obama (among other Dems) in a lot of ways and agree with a lot of their policies. I don't want higher taxes, but I think for the most part their humanitarian goals are great. The ONLY thing I cannot and will not EVER agree on is abortion. How can you say you fight for human rights, but you want to give someone the right to "choose" to kill another defenseless human as if they are some object that you own? I would probably vote for any Democrat that would change their stance on abortion to Pro-life. There are too many other options to allow abortions to happen.

Posted by: Jake | August 27, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Kary - stop drinking - your brain is mush and you are embarassing yourself. Hillary Clinton deserves better than some "supporter" like you.

Jake - when you become the official hall monitor of the whole wide world, then you can bully someone about their pro-choice beliefs.

Posted by: Obama-Biden '08 | August 27, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Jake:

Slaveowners once denied their "property" was human too.

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

I'm not "ranting" about abortion. I am simply a newly expectant father and it absolutely blows my mind how anyone could possible think abortion is EVER an option! There are people who CAN'T have kids, yet you have women aborting for "convenience". I just know that my baby is alive, aware, sucking its thumb, yawning, playing with the umbilical cord... all seen in our 18 week ultrasound!! You liberals are the nut-jobs!!

Posted by: Jake | August 27, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Robin:

Are you implying that ZERO Democrats would have messed with the GOP primaries had Hillary locked up the nomination in January?

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

How quaint to think Hillary's speech made an iota of difference to anyone but the reporters breathlessly anticipating it. Check off one more item from the laundry list for The Coronation of Obama.

Here's looking forward to the roll-call vote. Or will the Dems disregard their own rules... AGAIN... and sweep it under the rug? What a circus. I can't see the GOP show having quite the same entertainment value.

Milbank's video, which was the first I'd seen/heard of him, was awesome. Was it the quality of the compressed video, or did they actually pixelate the application of the condom onto the banana? Hey, I'm glad to see he was game enough to hop on a bike and enjoy Denver's urban bike trails.

Posted by: phred | August 27, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Claire, how about answer my questions rather than scream "TROLL ALERT"? Or are you just another silly liberal who only sidesteps with silly accusations? Answer my question just this once so I know WHY you stand so firm on your pro-abortion platform? just please explain your rationale? or do you have none?

Posted by: Jake | August 27, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

I am a nonamerican tuning in on the election in America for the first time because the way the world is going right now is pretty frightening. I really want
America to change course for the better this time. The possibility of Russia and China becoming a dominent force in the world scares the crap out of me. And there's all the other stuff, the economy, the energy crisis, global warming...
I really desperately want a Democrat in the White House this time. Besides McCain, for all his so called experience, doesn't seem to get "now" all that well. His rhetoric on Russia-Georgia reminds me of Bush's first term. (Not sure why the US media is claiming that the crisis showed that McCain is stronger on foreign policy, Obama seemed to have a more rational approach to me.)
So it is pretty disheartening to see all this bitterness and anger over such trvial stuff in the Democratic party. Wake up, PUMA's or whatever you call yourselves!! These elections are just too important to indulge in temper tantrums.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

She just couldn't do it. Say "He won, I lost", vote for the winner, I'm a loser. I can't wait until tonight with every democrat holding their breath while Bubba does a tap dance on the Pepsi center stage. Will the exhale be from a sigh of relief or a big punch in the gut.

Posted by: Spider | August 27, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

That was a different Jake ranting about abortion. I am not a Republican troll, and maybe just this one time Maureen Dowd may be telling the truth.

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Oh, btw, I forgot to add something. Who cares if Bill Clinton is at Obama's acceptance speech or not? In fact maybe he will do us all a favor and not be there to give his speech of tonight.

After all, who needs a President who was "Impeached" at your Convention anyway. He doesn't need to bring his serious lack of moral values to the party of a Candidate who is a role model for husbands everywhere.

Maybe he can have a drink with John McCain. They seem to have a lot more in common!


Posted by: Jazziette | August 27, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Obama wants the house so he must work for it.Expecting more from Hillary is like asking more from a loser.

Posted by: joe | August 27, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Do you find racial issues lurking everywhere? Do you thrive on racial divide? Are racial news stories the most interesting and appealing to you? Do you consider racism to be the cause of all discord in your political view? Do you suspect every caucasian of secretly committing racial crimes and harboring racial hatred?

If so, maybe you are a racist.

Posted by: James McCracken | August 27, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Kary, you obviously have serious issues with rationality and racism. Yet your rant has been seen before in the many hostile, racially-charged posts here and in other mainstream blogs. You make the same tired arguments that Sen. Obama supports terrorism, is the anti-christ, that he has issues with patriotism, etc., etc., etc. (fill in with any of the Rovian innuendo and outright lies). Also, you state that you are an agnostic, but give yourself away ("God help us") just a sentence into your diatribe and then give repeated references to "selling your soul to the devil". Please do us all a favor and stop the pretense that you are a "level-headed" Democrat when you spew hatred about "his lying about his heritage, his being tied to a racist church for 25 years, his unpatriotic smears against the flag and the national anthem." How do you know that he is lying about his heritage (where is the proof?), how do you know that his former church is "racist," did you attend the church?, and please state specifically what smears against the flag and anthem Sen. Obama has made. Your vitriol is so transparent that it is laughable. If you cannot answer to or prove your statements, please know that the rest of us are not buying it. Thank you anyway.

Posted by: jimimosey | August 27, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Reading the comment by Kary recalls a road trip I recently took across the country in which I had the bizarre experience of listening to Rush Limbaugh and his campaign called "Operation chaos". I haven't heard any of the pundits bring this up but it sounds like Kary is one of his minions. I was appalled to listen to ditto heads calling in an proudly discussing their deciept. Honesty and integrity have vanished from the Republican party as they play win at all costs, profit and wealth are their only real objects of worship. Kary might be the woman who Chris Matthews became so upset with that he called her a "wacko". I would use much stronger language myself.

Posted by: Robin | August 27, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

As an outsider... my advice to those who fuss about who's who all it comes down to one thing...your core values, whether you are for Obama, MCcain or Clinton. In November go cast your vote, either way, the fact is "change" begin with your vote.... if you don't vote fussing is not going to get you anywhere... Too bad that your favorite candidate is on/not in the ballot....big deal, how about the party? how about the country's reputation around the world? how about the economy? the answers depends on your vote whether you are Democrat,Republican,Independent,Conservative ect....most of American.

Posted by: ndanda | August 27, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I wasn't all that impressed with Mrs. Clinton's speech. She spent a lot of time using the words "I" and "me." She left me wondering when she was going to get to the endorsement of Barack Obama. I turned the television off after about five minutes of her talking.

The whole ordeal is pomp and circumstance. The Republican National Convention will be pomp and circumstance. For all our pomp and circumstance, we may as well live in a monarchy.

Ah, but the caveat is once every four years "our" voice is heard on the National stage. Once every four years, "we" pick either a Republican or Democrat to serve in our only elected national office.

I love democracy.

Now I just have to find a country where I might participate in a democracy.

Posted by: Wyll D Sarge | August 27, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

TROLL ALERT TROLL ALERT

quoting maureen dowd and ranting about abortions?

Jake...Jake D

TROLL ALERT TROLL ALERT

Posted by: Claire | August 27, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Could Hillary have done more? Of course she could have done more.

Any High School debator could have done far better than Clinton did in her self-serving speech last night.

She did 'just enough'. That's all she did. 'Just enough'. But the facts are that 'just enough' isn't good enough! It was 'just enough' for her to cause her supporters to 'tear up' but not enough to cause them to vote for Obama.

The Clintons now need to retire!

Posted by: Jazziette | August 27, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Dana Milbank comes off as a sarcastic jerk. Talk about a slanted report for the sake of entertainment. That condom booth was just one of hundreds, but of course he found great pleasure in making that representative of the whole Democratic party. Yuh, we generally believe in safe sex and birth control, as opposed to none and abortions. Even his assessment that inside it was ALL about getting over the Hillary rift. I see, maybe what you meant is that this video is a classic GOP slant on reality and attempts to improve our society.

Posted by: Sylvia from MA | August 27, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

"Hillary supporters are smart enough to know that one more right-wing nut-job on the Supreme Court and they can kiss Roe v. Wade goodbye." - Hilary Smith

Please explain to me what inside your heart thinks it is OK to kill a baby? i understand that women who are rape or incest victims may be scarred for life by what happened to them and may not WANT the baby that is forming inside them, but what did the baby do to deserve death? how does killing the baby bring the victim "closure" or "revenge" for what happened to her? why not give the woman free prenatal care and the "choice" to give the baby up once it is born? why does it have to be killed? my wife is pregnant right now and since the fetus was 9 weeks old, we have seen its heart beating. At 18 weeks we just watched it suck its thumb and grab its little feet!!! you can actually see a resemblance to me in the baby's face for God's sake!! It is fully formed but only 6 inches long and 8 ounces in weight. Why on EARTH do you think it is OK to play GOD and kill babies that are defenseless little miracles of life?!?!

Posted by: Jake | August 27, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Good for Clinton!

Posted by: wolf | August 27, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

"I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience that he will bring to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002."
~Hillary Clinton

Posted by: Hillary for McCain | August 27, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Haha -- Tired of Trolls. He wrote:
"Hmm...who should women vote for? The man who left his injured wife for a woman half his age and then went on to denigrate that second wife by calling her a c--t and suggesting she participate in a topless beauty contest or the man who obviously loves his wife and daughters and reveres the mother and grandmother who raised him?"

Gotta love it when a liberal suddenly starts spouting off about family values as the reason to vote for Obama. Isn't this the same party who can't get enough of old uncle Bill? Where were his family values?

You are hilarious.

Posted by: silly liberals | August 27, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

"For those that believe all the lies about Obama, are you an older white person? If so, maybe you should wonder if you are racist?"

Posted by: Joseph | August 27, 2008 10:11 AM

Why is it that if we disagree with Obama we are racist? Isn't singling someone out and calling them something derogatory for a belief they hold the definition of bigotry? Look in the mirror Joseph, I suspect there you will find the bigot you are looking for.

Posted by: Older White Guy | August 27, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

By his actions in not even vetting Hillary as a VP candidate, and by assigning Bill Clinton the ridiculous job of explaining why Obama is the best candidate for managing America's foreign affairs, he has slapped both Clintons in the face.

I well remember how JFK chose LBJ as his running mate even though he detested him. But, he knew LBJ needed to be co-opted for the ticket, and he swallowed his distaste in order to win the election. Obama either does not understand the need for some compromise, or he has such a gigantic ego that he thinks he will just bring the party together, and the Clintons on board just because he declares it so.

It shows us that with enough money (in this case radical left wing money) you can make a case for a robot to be President. And, in this case it is not too far from that: Obama is wonderful when he has a teleprompter, but ask him a question and he turns out to be like the Wizard in the Oz story. He cannot answer a simple question without a lot of gaffes, revealing he knows very little, does not listen to his advisors, and ignores anything which does not agree with his biases.

It takes two to make unity, but in this case we have the immovable ego being attacked by the irresitible pride. This is not a good thing for the democrats.

Posted by: Arthur_Lemay | August 27, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

"It makes sense that George Bush and John McCain will be together next week in the Twin Cities," she said. "Because these days, they're awfully hard to tell apart."

Posted by: indeed | August 27, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Maureen Dowd? Maureen Dowd???? When it comes to opinions about the Clintons, Maureen Dowd is nothing more than Rush Limbaugh in drag.

Posted by: Claire | August 27, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Milbank is such a smug little republican.

So Chris, really, all of us expect you to be just as nasty about the republicans attending their convention. Just kidding--we know you won't criticize your own kind.

Posted by: Henry | August 27, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

"it's hard to imagine that the New York senator could have done much more for her colleague from Illinois than she did tonight."

It's not hard for me to imagine that she could have helped out a lot by saying Obama would make a good commander-in-chief. Or even saying Obama wouldn't be the worst president in history. She never endorsed Obama personally at all, she simply gave her stump speech and tossed in an "And that's why you should support Obama" now and again.

Posted by: Mike | August 27, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Who cares what someone named 'de Rothschild' thinks?

These bitter harridans, these dead enders, deserve the hellish future that the ancient warmonger mccain will bring us to...

The Gates of Hell, as he said himself.

Posted by: jane | August 27, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I really like your satirical approach to the convention, and not looking at any of this as though it is sacred.

When it comes to condom use, and meditation, they are both things that would contribute greatly to a better America. It amazes me that the Religious Right doesn't see that widespread condom use would cut the need for abortion, and that meditation would get people to think long enough to see errors in their beliefs: for example, "I believe there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq".

So I look forward to your equivalent coverage of the Republican convention, and the lampooning of people who believe the earth is 6,000 years old and virgin birth. And their impractical, head-in-the-sand answers for the world.

Posted by: Richardhg | August 27, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

"For those that believe all the lies about Obama, are you an older white person? If so, maybe you should wonder if you are racist?"

oh really?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

She did her part with a powerful address....are you crazy she glorify her self............hahaha

Posted by: Rick | August 27, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton did good job,make show you do not elect another four years of the same

Posted by: kanda augusto | August 27, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

amazing how many republicans have been pretending to be hillary supporters... of course they want to pretend hillary didn't endorse obama. they will continue to do so no matter what she says or does.

but they are liars.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

She did a lot with that speech. but then there's the story in WashingtonIndependent.com: a key Democratic fundraiser is predicting disaster in November: "It feels like this is the last big party before a general election that the Democrats are sure to lose," says Lynn de Rothschild.... "It's the political equivalent of re-arranging the chairs on the Titanic..."
picking Biden flaunts an Obama weakness...

Posted by: Dan Walter | August 27, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

milbank is a hack in a hack-infested rag.

hiatt, krauthammer, cohen, broder -- a veritable carnival of smug lowlife hackery.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Am I wrong? Did Hillary ever say that Obama would be a good president? Did she ever say that he is qualified to lead this country? I don't think so!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: ben | August 27, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Last night Hillary: She has one opinion for the chamber and another for the platform.

Posted by: A Patel | August 27, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton and her bizarre supporters have managed to define the presidency as one person's ego trip and sense of entitlement. People whose bodies are aging while their minds continue to cavitate in the terrible twos are painful to watch. Maybe, they could rent a big barge and go on a cruise?

Posted by: Harbinger | August 27, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Kary is a Republican troll. Any real Hillary supporter will vote Obama whether or not they like him personally because his platform is virtually identical to hers. McCain sits on the other side of the fence on nearly every issue.

Hmm...who should women vote for? The man who left his injured wife for a woman half his age and then went on to denigrate that second wife by calling her a c--t and suggesting she participate in a topless beauty contest or the man who obviously loves his wife and daughters and reveres the mother and grandmother who raised him? The man who voted against equal pay for women and wants to deny women choice or the man who had been a staunch supporter of women's rights? This one's a no brainer.

Posted by: tired of trolls | August 27, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I'm not going to take the time to watch a video of a hack who circulates as fact an inaccurate third-hand selective account of someone else's private conversation. Accordingly, I'll just assume the pig's snout is the one in the middle of Milbank's face.

Posted by: FlownOver | August 27, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

The Dems are partying to the max and will hit new highs tonight when Bill Clinton FINALLY endorses Obama. The #1 beverage in Denver is the Obamatini and the web domain http://www.obamatini.com is currently being auctioned at afternic.com. Given how much money the Dems still need to raise to counter the traditional Republican mud-slinging campaign, someone will probably turn obamatini.com into a potent fundraising-and-propaganda cocktail.

Posted by: edwards | August 27, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

So these Clinton die hards are going to rebuke Clinton and mess with the overall picture and help elect John McCain? Is that what you want your kids to remember?

For those that believe all the lies about Obama, are you an older white person? If so, maybe you should wonder if you are racist?

Posted by: Joseph | August 27, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Hillary did a wonderful job.
I thought her campaign was awful.
Had she stuck to the substance of her platform instead of running on "experience" that was partly imagined, she may have won.

Posted by: Henst | August 27, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

You are so obviously a religious extremist McCain voter. Couln't you try just a little harded at masking your intentions.

Posted by: To Kary | August 27, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Democrats rumble against Republican Attack Machine! But unlike McCain's team also present a positive message!

Last night was Hillary's moment! Yes we heard her rally cry for Obama, herself and all of us Democrats, Republicans and Independents against a 3rd Bush term. Bill will come through tonight too. A lot is at stake here not just for Obama but for Biden, Hillary, Bill and all of us too. Biden's rally cry will be equally compelling! The scrappy kid from Scranton will come through too. This convention will be remember as the one that represented us in our Time. Now it will be up to Obama in front of 75,000 supporters and millions of voters watching on TV to make the sale after traveling across America for the past year and half listening to the concerns of the voters. The energy will be electric in that stadium. The pundits and writers will feel it. We too will feel it just watching on TV. This will become America's moment.

“Few will have the greatness to bend history itself; but each of us can work to change a small portion of events, and in the total; of all those acts will be written the history of this generation.”
Robert Kennedy

Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: Cooday | August 27, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

"...unpatriotic smears against the flag and the anthem"...?

Reading a lot of spam email lately, Kary?

I do not think facts will dissuade you. But I do not think your motives, couched in religious and chauvinstic terms, are honorable, either.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

It was interesting that although Hillary said she would support Obama and that the other dems should too, she never once said anything about his qualifications. She didn't actually say one thing about him that would lead someone to vote for him.

Posted by: Leslie | August 27, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

I think all of the dejected Hillary people threatening to vote McCain are really just having a little tantrum before they finally come to their senses. Hillary supporters are smart enough to know that one more right-wing nut-job on the Supreme Court and they can kiss Roe v. Wade goodbye. They're not going to let that happen even though they're feeling pretty dissed right now.

Posted by: Hilary Smith | August 27, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Maureen Dowd says Hillary is "privately egging on" the PUMA dissidents.

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

good behavior,

Posted by: glenn | August 27, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer delivered an awesome speech. Funny guy, I must say. You want four more years? how about four more months! Lol.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Unity? There will be NO unity!I love my girl Hillary, and I understand she has to play nice and had to sell her soul to Obama in order to have him help her with bills and getting some of her concerns (ie healthcare)taken care of should he be elected (God help us all). Fortunately however, the rest of us level headed Dems who have paying attention to Obama, his lying about his heritage, his being tied to a racist church for 25 years, his unpatriotic smears against the flag and the national anthem, his terrorist sympathising. Trust me. We don't really want to see McCain in the white house. And everyone needs to shut up and listen because it has nothing to do with anger over Hillary not being the chosen candidate (even though she did win the popular vote, has more experience, and is the #1 best choice.) It has everything to do with this very dangerous man that so many people are hypnotized by. They buy into his promises of utopia. The only one who can deliver that is the Anti-Christ himself. And because I said that don't start your mouthing about Christians. I am agnostic. I just happen to look at the things Obama and his wife have said, who they are, how they live. Every word he utters contridicts his own words in his books. I wish Obama supporters would snap out of it and take off their blinders. Hillary gave an awesome speach. It sickens me that she and Biden sold their souls to the devil himself, but don't expect the rest of us too.

Posted by: Kary | August 27, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

You are right about Mark Warner--his call earlier in the day to "radical centrism" reminds me a little of what Sister Anne Marie used to tell me (Convent of the Visitation in DC for those who care) She said: "Moderation in all things. . .including moderation--too much moderation is not good for anybody!"

As for Schweitzer, I believe HIS will be the star that ascends as a result of this convention. He's the real deal and we could use a lot more like him.

I don't know if Hillary could have done more. I thought she did quite well, but yet, the vitriol and complete lack of reason persist. I am especially troubled by the voices of those who would allow their disappointment to so color their thinking that they would actually claim to "hate" Barack Obama. My goodness-- I think that George W. Bush is easily the worst president in my lifetime, and actually, I think you'd have to go back as far as Tyler to find a worse president--but I would never say i "Hate" him.

I really hope that we can turn a corner on this one. I realize that will only happen once people start to recognize in the candidate, the faint glimmer of hope that his words, his policies and his administration can foster the same loyalty they felt for Hillary. It appears it will be a long, slow slog, but I remain convinced that Obama is sincere AND able.

Posted by: dch | August 27, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

od behavior,

I first will like to congratulate the media all around the World.
It is a true saying, we must do good unto others, if we want others to do good for us.
The only problem is growing up and taking responsibility for our actions that are very misleading. Which parent or child can live without love? However the media can’t get the caviar in their articles. Yes the publisher has gone fast asleep and for good reason.
Behavior!!.... Everyone is striving to do better but doubt is still present for a lack of faith.
Reading is a blessing to the soul, however, many reporters, columnist, journalist is still working hard to improve their character. I’m worried when people are influenced by the articles that paint a picture related to ones opinion.
Can someone write an article outlining the good without a big BUT somewhere in the middle? Can we justify why the left side of our mouth says something different than the right side of our face? I was thought that we should remain open minded so others can have an opinion about our work. This is a failure in the media or can I say bad reporting sells. Please do yourself a favor and get some professional help so children can be inspired to think outside this box. We encourage users to analyze, comment on and even challenge washingtonpost.com's articles, blogs, reviews and multimedia features

Let peace and understanding prevail…

Posted by: glenn | August 27, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

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