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Democrats on Joe Barton's oil spill comments: "It's not the end of this"

Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee chairman Chris Van Hollen said today that Rep. Joe Barton's (R-Texas) apology yesterday to BP CEO Tony Hayward for the administration's $20 billion "shakedown" will continue to haunt Republicans in races this fall.

"No, it's not the end of this," Van Hollen said in an interview on ABC/Washington Post's "Top Line" program today. "We heard what his statement was right at the outset. That was heartfelt; that's what he believes."

Under pressure from top Republicans, Barton issued a statement late yesterday apologizing for his remarks at the hearing and retracting his apology to Hayward. But not all of his House Republican colleagues were satisfied: Reps. Jeff Miller (R-Fla.) and Jo Bonner (R-Ala.), both of whose districts border the Gulf Coast, have called on Barton to resign from his spot as ranking member of his committee.

Democrats have been quick to seize upon the remarks as indicative of Republicans' lack of empathy for those affected by the spill and the party's ties to the oil industry.

White House press secretary Bill Burton told reporters aboard Air Force One today that Burton's response was "an example of what some folks in the Republican Party truly believe...[that] BP was the wronged party."

Van Hollen echoed that in his appearance today, arguing that Barton "is not just any Republican," and that he "doesn't stand alone" in his position.

"So you've got the guy who's in charge of the House energy policy for the Republicans, and you've got a huge number of members of his caucus feeling the same way," Van Hollen added. (Barton is the highest ranking Republican on the House Energy and Commerce Committee.)

In a further indication that Democrats appear ready to use Barton's comments for maximum political gain, the Democratic National Committee sent out a fundraising email today highlighting the Texas congressman's remarks.

"Think about it: In the Gulf right now, jobs are being lost, ecosystems are being destroyed, an entire way of life is being upended. And Joe Barton is apologizing to the oil company that caused the disaster," the email reads.

The committee is also going up with a new TV ad featuring Barton urging voters to "Tell Republicans: Stop apologizing to big oil." A DNC official said that the amount of the ad buy is yet to be determined, as the committee is still raising funds for the ad although it's a safe bet that the commercial does not have significant money behind it.

Republicans counter that Democrats' harping on Barton's remarks is an attempt to steer the debate away from Democrats' and the administration's own faults.

"Democrats can attempt to distract from the facts, but ultimately the 2010 election will be a referendum on President Obama, the Pelosi-led Congress and their culture of incompetence that has resulted in the mismanagement of the federal bureaucracy, the economy, and the ballooning deficit," National Republican Congressional Committee communications director Ken Spain said in a statement.

With oil continuing to spill into the Gulf, the political ramifications of it are still very much in flux. Barton's comments allowed Democrats to take the offensive on an issue on which they have been very much back on their heels of late.

But, will the Barton storyline have legs beyond the Sunday talk shows?

-- Felicia Sonmez

By The Fix  |  June 18, 2010; 3:37 PM ET
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I thank Rep Barton for voicing exactly what I was thinking.

Posted by: gfafblifr | June 21, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

what is needed is michael moore to investigate who owned the rig-- were was the money going to -- in whos accounts in switzerland were it was going into--why all the secrecy about who in the usa owned the rig and why was it leased from the swiss-

Posted by: wk-barr-co | June 21, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

what is needed is michael moore to investigate who owned the rig-- were was the money going to -- in whos accounts in switzerland were it was going into--why all the secrecy about who in the usa owned the rig and why was it leased from the swiss-

Posted by: wk-barr-co | June 21, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

what is needed is michael moore to investigate who owned the rig-- were was the money going to -- in whos accounts in switzerland were it was going into--why all the secrecy about who in the usa owned the rig and why was it leased from the swiss-

Posted by: wk-barr-co | June 21, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Poor lonely Ped.

Posted by: Moonbat | June 21, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Wow, 27th. Some pretty ugly stuff out of you, isn't there? Not sure what you're looking for, but I hope you find it. It seems really, really important to you.

Hope you all got in touch with daddy.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 21, 2010 3:06 AM | Report abuse

12BarBlues
re. "(My) SCARLET LETTER (and my) ACCUSATIONS"

?????

What I wrote wasn't a 'SCARLET LETTER'. It was simply Obama's actual history taken from his own books, which you apparantly haven't read.
I also didn't 'ACCUSE' him of anything. I merely reported TRUE FACTS re. Comrade Obama's early life that he spent in Jakarta, Indonesia, studying, memorizing, and reciting the Koran in a Islamic Fundamentalist madrassa (Basucki) from 1969 to 1971.
Are you now claiming that what I wrote re. Comrade Obama's early life didn't happen?
The truth hurts, right 12Bar?

Posted by: armpeg | June 21, 2010 3:04 AM | Report abuse

Obama probably has mixed feelings on this Father's Day.


For one, his father left him at a very young age.


Obama was raised by a step-father in Indonesia - the one who adopted him and probably gave Obama Indonesian citizenship - and gave up Obama's US citizenship.


Obama I suppose has been a good father - however one has to QUESTION HOW GOOD A FATHER BRINGS HIS CHILDREN TO LISTEN TO REV. WRIGHT.


Obama brought his children to Rev. Wright week after week - for years - to listen to a MESSAGE OF HATRED.


This is no different from bringing children to KKK rallies.


Yes - the country should take full note of Obama's character: What he did with his children IS THE SAME AS BRINGING CHIDREN TO KKK RALLIES TO LISTEN TO MESSAGES OF HATE.


Happy Father's Day.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 21, 2010 1:25 AM | Report abuse

good job Cannula

the Minerals Management Service is run by Obama's people - and they were involved with the White House Obama in a year-long review of offshore oil policy.

The national media really has to take a long long look at this


Obama IS DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS OIL SPILL -


IT IS CLEAR.

This is not an obscure agency - it is front and center - Obama took almost a million dollars from BP - you don't think he knew about the agency which regulated BP's offshore oil operations ???


This is a cesspool.

You just WAIT AND SEE - THE HEALTH AGENCIES ARE GOING TO BE RUN JUST LIKE OBAMA'S MINERALS MANAGEMENT SERVICES.


THE SPECIAL INTERESTS IN THE PHARAMACEUTICAL, THE HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES AND THE MEDICAL MANUFACTURERS - ARE ALREADY GIVING MONEY SO THEY CAN HAVE THEIR WAY WITH THE HEALTH AGENCIES JUST LIKE MMS


OBAMA'S MMS IS EXACTLY HOW OBAMA'S HEALTH AGENCIES WILL BE.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 21, 2010 1:20 AM | Report abuse

armpeg's scarlet letter accusation only comes about a century too late to be effective. Get real. Now, if you could find 65 million voters who give a sh'it, you'd really have something, right?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 21, 2010 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Smoking Gun from the Front Page of the NY Times-

Failure of Rig’s Last Line of Defense Tied to Myriad Factors

By THE NEW YORK TIMES
Published: June 20, 2010


This article is by David Barstow, Laura Dodd, James Glanz, Stephanie Saul and Ian Urbina.


"An examination by The New York Times highlights the chasm between the oil industry’s assertions about the reliability of its blowout preventers and a more complex reality. It reveals that the federal agency charged with regulating offshore drilling, the Minerals Management Service, repeatedly declined to act on advice from its own experts on how it could minimize the risk of a blind shear ram failure.

It also shows that the Obama administration failed to grapple

with either the well-known weaknesses of blowout preventers

or the sufficiency of the nation’s drilling regulations even as it

made plans this spring to expand offshore oil exploration."

(check mate)

Posted by: thecannula | June 20, 2010 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Where'd you get that junk, 'peggy? Is that from the pale pudge-pile Jetome Corsi?

Posted by: Noacoler | June 20, 2010 11:56 PM | Report abuse

37th
Actually Barack Obama is what thruout history has been called a "bast**t".

Barack Obama's father (also named Barack Obama) married Ann Dunham, who was then a radical Socialist America--hating '60's hippy while in college protesting the VN War. Trouble was that Barack Obama Sr. already had two wives back in Kenya. While that is legal in the Muslim religion, it's not in the USA. In other words, Barack Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham went through a marriage ceremony, but weren't legally married (under US Law) because Obama Sr. was already married.
Less than a year later, Barack Obama Sr. abandoned Ann Dunham and Obama Jr. and went back to Kenya and his two wives.
Ann Dunham Obama then married Lolo Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia and a Muslim. Ann Dunham Obama Soetoro then gave birth to Maya Hallejuha, Barack Obama Jr.s half-sister.
Barack Obama Jr. was then enrolled by his stepfather Lolo into a Islamic fundamentalist Basucki Madrassa, in Jakarta, Indonesia where he was listed on their school records as 'a Islamic Student'. Obama Jr. attended this Madrassa from 1969 to 1971 learning the Koran.
Ann and Lolo then sent Barack Obama Jr. to live with her parents back in the USA, but kept his half-sister Maya. And the rest is history.

Posted by: armpeg | June 20, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

37th
Actually Barack Obama is what thruout history has been called a "bast**t".

Barack Obama's father (also named Barack Obama) married Ann Dunham, who was then a radical Socialist America--hating '60's hippy while in college protesting the VN War. Trouble was that Barack Obama Sr. already had two wives back in Kenya. While that is legal in the Muslim religion, it's not in the USA. In other words, Barack Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham went through a marriage ceremony, but weren't legally married (under US Law) because Obama Sr. was already married.
Less than a year later, Barack Obama Sr. abandoned Ann Dunham and Obama Jr. and went back to Kenya and his two wives.
Ann Dunham Obama then married Lolo Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia and a Muslim. Ann Dunham Obama Soetoro then gave birth to Maya Hallejuha, Barack Obama Jr.s half-sister.
Barack Obama Jr. was then enrolled by his stepfather Lolo into a Islamic fundamentalist Basucki Madrassa, in Jakarta, Indonesia where he was listed on their school records as 'a Islamic Student'. Obama Jr. attended this Madrassa from 1969 to 1971 learning the Koran.
Ann and Lolo then sent Barack Obama Jr. to live with her parents back in the USA, but kept his half-sister Maya. And the rest is history.

Posted by: armpeg | June 20, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

One brain-damaged drug addict with nothing else to do filling the blog with unintelligible junk, all day long.

Happy, Cillizza? Yeah and he's anti-Obama.

Like Dan Coats.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 20, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

In paragraph 5, I think you meant to say "Barton", instead of "Burton". That would make a whole lot more sense.

Posted by: Gatecrasher | June 20, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse


Jeremiah was a bulldog .................

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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 20, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Obama probably has mixed feelings on this Father's Day.


For one, his father left him at a very young age.


Obama was raised by a step-father in Indonesia - the one who adopted him and probably gave Obama Indonesian citizenship - and gave up Obama's US citizenship.


Obama I suppose has been a good father - however one has to QUESTION HOW GOOD A FATHER BRINGS HIS CHILDREN TO LISTEN TO REV. WRIGHT.


Obama brought his children to Rev. Wright week after week - for years - to listen to a MESSAGE OF HATRED.


This is no different from bringing children to KKK rallies.


Yes - the country should take full note of Obama's character: What he did with his children IS THE SAME AS BRINGING CHIDREN TO KKK RALLIES TO LISTEN TO MESSAGES OF HATE.


Happy Father's Day.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 20, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Margaret


19% ??? that's it ???? Man, I have been underperforming.

I promise to do better next time.

Hey, would you please divide out those posts - Conservative and leftist ???


I guess if there are some in the middle, you can leave those out -


However, I am sure that the leftists are WAY ahead of the conservatives in the posts - and if I leave, the ratio would be much worse.


So, thank you for your tribute


I appreciate it.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 20, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Obama probably has mixed feelings on this Father's Day.


For one, his father left him at a very young age.


Obama was raised by a step-father in Indonesia - the one who adopted him and probably gave Obama Indonesian citizenship - and gave up Obama's US citizenship.


Obama I suppose has been a good father - however one has to QUESTION HOW GOOD A FATHER BRINGS HIS CHILDREN TO LISTEN TO REV. WRIGHT.


Obama brought his children to Rev. Wright week after week - for years - to listen to a MESSAGE OF HATRED.


This is no different from bringing children to KKK rallies.


Yes - the country should take full note of Obama's character: What he did with his children IS THE SAME AS BRINGING CHIDREN TO KKK RALLIES TO LISTEN TO MESSAGES OF HATE.


Happy Father's Day.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 20, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

397 posts

and

79 of them are

GASEOUS BLASTS

from the seat of 37th's pants

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phew!

Posted by: margaretmeyers | June 20, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse


Obama says he wants to sue Arizona now


Not the iced tea.

The way I see it is this: there are two groups of concern one is the illegal aliens, the other is the hispanics who are here legally, but would have to show their papers under the Arizona law.


Now, the first group has NOTHING to complain about - they are here illegally, they are breaking the law - so they have NO COMPLAINT ABOUT RACIAL PROFILING.

Also, the federal law requires them to show ID - so there is really no difference with federal law.


It is the second group which deserves discussion. These are the people who are here legally, but may be asked to show their papers.

I have to ask: how much of a burden is it to ask those who are here LEGALLY to show their papers ??


Seriously, it is much of a burden ???


Let's weigh that against the ACTUAL REALITY - THERE ARE 500,000 ILLEGAL ALIENS IN ARIZONA.


Arizona has a right to complain about the illegal aliens in their State - they increase expenses and they are a crime threat.

In addition, the 500,000 illegals HAVE CREATED THE SITUATION IN WHICH THE LEGALS HAVE TO SHOW THEIR PAPERS.

If there were not 500,000 illegals, then no one would be asking for a law like Arizona's law.


So clearly, THE ATMOSPHERE OF LAWLESSNESS has created this situation.


Now - the test is WHAT IS REASONABLE ???


Well, in an atmosphereof lawlessness, I believe it is REASONABLE to ask LEGALS for their papers.

I do not believe the burden is THAT GREAT FOR THE LEGALS -


The legals are enjoying the benefits of being in the US - there is a cost - and the cost is that they might have to show their papers from time to time.


I believe the CHARGES OF RACIAL PROFILING are misplaced - and they are simply an EXCUSE FOR SUPPORTING PEOPLE WHO BREAK THE LAW.

But the people who are breaking the law really HAVE NOTHING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT - THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 20, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse


Wooo HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

a Father's Day message like that one ?


You must enjoy good postings even if you don't agree with them.


That was a good posting - slamming his citizenship, and Rev Wright

And calling him a racist all in one Father's Day themed post.


You have to admit - that is a classic.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 20, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

37th,

As much as you might love your posts, once is enough. More than once is called spam. More than twice is called abusive spam. More than twice is called narcissism.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 20, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

12bar


Come on - that one was especially good

It is appropriate for today's holiday

And it brings up some old themes.


It is a slam, not spam.


And it is beautiful because it is so true.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 20, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Here we go again. If you're going to start up the spam machine again, I'm out of here. I don't come here to read duplicate posts. Once is enough.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 20, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Obama probably has mixed feelings on this Father's Day.


For one, his father left him at a very young age.


Obama was raised by a step-father in Indonesia - the one who adopted him and probably gave Obama Indonesian citizenship - and gave up Obama's US citizenship.

Obama I suppose has been a good father - however one has to QUESTION HOW GOOD A FATHER BRINGS HIS CHILDREN TO LISTEN TO REV. WRIGHT.


Obama brought his children to Rev. Wright week after week - for years - to listen to a MESSAGE OF HATRED.


This is no different from bringing children to KKK rallies.


Yes - the country should take full note of Obama's character: What he did with his children IS THE SAME AS BRINGING CHIDREN TO KKK RALLIES TO LISTEN TO MESSAGES OF HATE.

Happy Father's Day.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 20, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

leichtman


Everything I have said about race relations in this country is 100% correct.


I'm sorry if you are offended by the truth.


And I have repeated many times, the reason I talk about innercity violence is because the posters on here have constantly complained that the Tea Party will turn violent.

That clearly has not happened - but if these leftists are so concerned about violence - they should turn their attention to the innercities and start doing something about that.


However, that idea runs counter to their racial preference - to somehow "look the other way" on all black violence - and somehow pretend that those shootings do not happen.

If the leftists actually agree that the shootings happen, the leftists REFUSE to blame the blacks for the shootings.


The leftists insist the shootings are the fault of the society at large - or the economic situation - that somehow those things justify taking a gun out and shooting people.


But then these same people would LOVE to stick a violent label on the Tea Party.

My points are valid - and 100% correct.

Sorry if you are offended.

I am offended by affirmative action - different standards for different groups - sounds more like Jim Crow than anything else -

But who am I to say who the real racists are, right ?

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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 20, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Well, he said it. I was also surprised, based on what I've heard, but I don't have any independent knowledge on that. Indicates further research needed.

I just looked at RIG (Transocean) stock, which was up 10% on Friday. I just have a little hunch that the contractors are turning on BP, and the RIG price may be confirming that impression.

This from AP today: "Britain has doubled rig inspections. Bulgaria scrapped plans for a new oil pipeline. Chinese and French oil giants are upgrading equipment and procedures designed to prevent spills. As oil continues to gush into the Gulf of Mexico, nations around the globe are taking a cue from this cautionary tale and ratcheting up their oversight of the petroleum industry."

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 20, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

your 6 pm post was the most lucid post
i have read from you in weeks.
is that so difficult??????????

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 20, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

your 6 pm post was the most lucid post
i have read from you in weeks.
is that so difficult??????????

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 20, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

your 6 pm post was the most lucid post
i have read from you in weeks.
is that so difficult??????????

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 20, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

your 6 pm post was the most lucid post
i have read from you in weeks.
is that so difficult??????????

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 20, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

i have attacked noacolor plenty and argued with 12bar when he was wrong. i have reapeadedly agreed with you and blimp's ciomplaints about the MMS and repeatedly called for criminal congressional investigation
of MMS from 2001-2010. I have posted kind words about brigade when on a rare ocassion last week she said something spot on about the courseness of olitics on both sides of the aisle. But 37th I can also tell you that everyone here is totally fed up with your abuse of the rules of this site and your 24/7 posting of personal hatefilled rants against your POTUS and your deliberate racial/"inner city" rants. Keep those rants up and you will get your wish and eventually bring this site to a halt if they don't stop. incidentally freedom of speech doesn't mean you can slander people or yell fire in a theatre. take a break--your 24/7 posts are not convincing anyone and just destroying this site.

good by and happy fathers day.

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 20, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

i have attacked noacolor plenty and argued with 12bar when he was wrong. i have reapeadedly agreed with you and blimp's ciomplaints about the MMS and repeatedly called for criminal congressional investigation
of MMS from 2001-2010. I have posted kind words about brigade when on a rare ocassion last week she said something spot on about the courseness of olitics on both sides of the aisle. But 37th I can also tell you that everyone here is totally fed up with your abuse of the rules of this site and your 24/7 posting of personal hatefilled rants against your POTUS and your deliberate racial/"inner city" rants. Keep those rants up and you will get your wish and eventually bring this site to a halt if they don't stop. incidentally freedom of speech doesn't mean you can slander people or yell fire in a theatre. take a break--your 24/7 posts are not convincing anyone and just destroying this site.

good by and happy fathers day.

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 20, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

12Bar


If Hayward said that, I don't believe it

One thing which I have read, Norway REQUIRES all wells to drill a relief well during exploration.

This may raise costs significantly, but had there been a relief well, this leak could have been stopped in early May.


So that appears to be one standard that is higher - and pretty significantly so.

Hey leichtman - how is that for intelligent political discourse ?


I would be for that - if you can get all the leftists to knock off their stop - including broadwayjoe, ddawd, drinl and noacoler .


Can you keep those under control ?


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 20, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Hayward just said an amazing thing: the drilling standards in the Gulf of Mexico are higher than the standards in the North Sea or off Great Britain.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 20, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Putting aside the grandstanding and natural defensiveness of Tony Hayward, I'm impressed that the root causes of the wellhead failure are being accurately described by Congress--it was in the cementing operations primarily, then secondarily at the BOP. That completely synchs with what the petroleum engineers have been saying from day 1.

Congress is getting some good technical advice. They don't always "get" to the real causes.


Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 20, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman


Intelligent political discourse ???


OK, go ahead - let's see it.


But let's also see you criticize the leftists when they stray from your standard.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 20, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse


Obama probably has mixed feelings on this Father's Day.

For one, his father left him at a very young age.

Obama was raised by a step-father in Indonesia - the one who adopted him and probably gave Obama Indonesian citizenship - and gave up Obama's US citizenship.


Obama I suppose has been a good father - however one has to QUESTION HOW GOOD A FATHER BRINGS HIS CHILDREN TO LISTEN TO REV. WRIGHT.


Obama brought his children to Rev. Wright week after week - for years - to listen to a MESSAGE OF HATRED.

This is no different from bringing children to KKK rallies.

Yes - the country should take full note of Obama's character: What he did with his children IS THE SAME AS BRINGING CHIDREN TO KKK RALLIES TO LISTEN TO MESSAGES OF HATE.


Happy Father's Day.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 20, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

shrink is perfectly right when she said
that this USED TO BE a place to learn
something about politics from reasonable voices. No longer the case, its just become a place for screaming from your keyboard b/w 37th brigade and noacolor and others.

enough already, join mark in wishing all the fathers a joyous fathers day and take a break. I left here for 1/2 day and came back
and read this same garbage from all sides yelling back and forth over the same c***
I hate Obama, no I don't, you are a socialist, and you are fascist. Somehow
this nonsense has become a substitute for intelligent political discourse. Pathetic. When will CC clean this site up and turn it back into a political blog site we can all be proud to be associated with?

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 20, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Looks like BP's contractors, and now their partners, are turning against them. Were Halliburton the cement people? Sound like they are spilling the beans about BP overriding their advice. I suspect Halliburton is beginning to be more afraid of their own financial exposure than they are of working with BP in the future. That would be the calculus.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 20, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

12Bar


I think the misunderstood thing about Tony Hayward is that people in America do not understand some cultural differences in the language.

Specifically - I believe when the English wish to overstate something - they sometimes understate it - and it is understood that the UNDERSTATEMENT MEANS OVERSTATEMENT.


Sort of like some people in the US use sarcasm - When some people in the US are sarcastic, they are actually saying the opposite of what they mean - however both parties in the conversation understand the true meaning of the speaker is actually the opposite of what is said on the surface.


Yet, Tony Hayward took it hard - however the English should understand that in Washington, Congressional hearings are conducted this way -

In London, the full Parliament meets and the two parties slam each other in questioning.

So, the English are not unfamiliar with legislative questioning.

In England, they usually try to slam their Prime Minister under questioning

Here, in Washington, the tradition is to force someone to come to a Congressional hearing.

I would like to suggest a theme here - we now have two FOREIGN CORPORATIONS WHO HAVE BEEN LAX ON SAFETY STANDARDS Toyota and BP

They both have been accused of lying - and PERHAPS MANSLAUGHTER CHARGES SHOULD BE BROUGHT TO BOTH COMPANIES.

People have died as a result of these foreign companies - and this should be looked into.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 20, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

12Bar


I am well rested and ready to go

How about you ????

I have the US Open on - and I am ready to DEFEND AMERICA.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 20, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Tony Hayward has tremendous self control, but he can't hide his flaming red cheeks, which reveal the stress he's under. Now, his eyes are starting to droop. If I felt sorry for him, I'd say this is like watching baby seals being clubbed.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 20, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Broadwayjoe at 4:21


You are LYING again


Obama did NOT use his full name during the campaign - it was NOT on the ballot


IN FACT, the Obama campaign screamed like a little sissy girl everytime someone said the word Hussein


You are a complete joke

So what if Obama said Hussein during the inaguration


TO BE HONEST TO SAY THE WORD HUSSEIN DURING THE INAGURATION WAS OFFENSIVE TO ALL AMERICANS - AND OFFENSIVE TO THE MILITARY.

But you don't care - you are a complete fool

You really are lower than pond scum.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 20, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

No brigade you aren't a good contributor, you're just a stupid troll who posts insults because you lack the talent to write posts. You can't even respond to others' actual words, hence the edits.

You're a boil on the blog's as s

Posted by: Noacoler | June 20, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

@37th,

You've been on here for 24 hours straight, right over the weekend. Get some rest, please. Then, come back and post. I would consider it cruel of me to argue with you about anything, when you have to be functioning on the edge. You are aware that your electrolytes get out of balance without enough sleep?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 20, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler wrote,
"Why should we pretend you're two different people when you make no effort to distinguish yourself? Zouk has open monikers and stealth monikers like doof and brigade. We know."

-------

Who is "we"---do you have drindl's brain in your pocket? The open secret on the blog and the most pathetic aspect of this whole delusion is that NO ONE HERE save you and drindl believe that I and bumblingberry are the same person. Yet the others humor you and allow you to perpetuate your fantasy for fear of what drastic steps you might take if reality ever encroached on your drug-addled existence. Do you have any sharp objects lying around?

Posted by: Brigade | June 20, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

12Bar


Those same posters are constantly attacking ALL conservative posters


And they claim that somehow the conservative posters are not legitimate - or that they should leave - either voluntarily or be banned.

This is a constant harassment.


To be honest - I got into this in 2008 BECAUSE I WAS DEFENDING OTHER POSTERS.

This group was attacking everyone on the conservative side - I took it to defend the whole set of people who were being attacked.


So, 12bar, initially, the organized cabal was not against me - I came in to defend conservative ideas.


AND I am also defending America itself - because these people really want to destroy the country - destroy the economy.


Because they believe - wrongly - that they have a better way - but they don't.


If you want the government to run everything - take a look at MMS - that is a CLEAR PICTURE OF WHAT OUR HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IS HEADED INTO.


You don't think the big health insurance companies - the big pharmaceutical companies - the big medical manufacturers HAVE NOT SHOWERED WASHINGTON WITH CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS ????


Those lobbies WILL HAVE THE SAME AFFECT ON THE HEALTH AGENCIES AS THE OIL COMPANIES HAVE HAD ON MMS.


The country is in danger.

Grave grave danger.


The situation is dangerous - People will die as a result of the leftists - 11 people died on that Oil Rig because Obama did not get MMS straight - and I don't believe Obama ever intended to fix MMS - he was going to let it go the way it always had

AND Obama intended to keep his gravy train of campaign contributions from the oil industry going........


Result: Expand Offshore Oil Drilling

That was Obama's policy - that is the EVIDENCE AGAINST OBAMA.

CLEAR AND SIMPLE: GUILTY AS CHARGED.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 20, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

For the first time, I'm watching Tony Hayward's testimony before the Energy Committee. Wow! I'll bet this is muy painful for him. It almost makes you bleed just to watch this grilling and Tony's don't know, don't remember, etc. Of course, he's between a rock and a hard place, so he'll just have to endure this until it's done. Sort of like wearing a hairshirt for a day.

Getting away from the optics, and to the truth of the matter, the techie blog I've been reading has said the exact same things that is now being alleged against BP. Cutting corners, taking risks, not doing "bottoms up" (seems to be critical), etc. Same exact things.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 20, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Oh give it a rest, briggy. Even on the off chance you're not really zouk it scarcely matters because you're completely interchangeable with him. You obsess over the same people, deliver the sane sort of insults and post nothing else, you use the same antiquated terms, and you're as much of a mes. As he is.

Why should we pretend you're two different people when you make no effort to distinguish yourself? Zouk has open monikers and stealth monikers like doof and brigade. We know. Deal.

Yeah uh-huh, Thorazine straitjacket body snatcher sci fi uh huh, Zzzzzzzzzzzz

Posted by: Noacoler | June 20, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler wrote,
"Mark, you not only missed the point, you've missed the barn.
BWJ isn't doing a Jake on Haley, just the opposite."

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Actually, Mark, you've hit the nail on the head. Broadwayjoe has been doing this for weeks now and it's obvious to all but Noacoler, and that's because his mind (what little's left of it) works like Joe's. They're peas in a pod.

Posted by: Brigade | June 20, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler wrote,
"Many good contributors have simply given up trying to post over the gibberish and CC does nothing about it."

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I haven't exactly given up; I've just been gone for a day or so. Have other things in life, unlike some I know. Actually, CC has done something about it. I understand he's banned you two or three times, yet here you are, just as you claim, making life difficult for us "good contributors." Have you no shame?

Posted by: Brigade | June 20, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Or what would you think if two burned out losers whose monikers start with 'D' and 'N' respectively continually claim that the conservative posters at this blog are all the same person? Get the strait-jackets and the Thorazine ready.

Posted by: Brigade | June 20, 2010 4:41 PM
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I don't know why you persist in this fiction. We all know that a number of monikers are used by one person. And he acknowledges it. It's a JOKE.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 20, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse


Shrink2 wrote,
"Wow, look what a steaming pile Chris has left under here. Disgusting. It is sad too. This used to be a place where you could learn about politics from caring people with extensive local knowledge and different perspectives.

Clean up on Aisle Fix!"

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I hear you. That was evidently before Drindl, Noacoler, and Broadwayjoe started spamming the place with hate screeds and insulting other posters.

Posted by: Brigade | June 20, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

no one asked me, but I'll chime in anyway...

There is something smarmy about someone going by an assumed name for certain voters and simultaneously going by her real name for other voters. The motive for this double name play couldn't be more clear. There is some kind of 3 card monte going on with the name trick.

On the other hand, her appeal may be greater than her perceived ethnicity. I watched the debate on CSpan between her and her opponent ?, and I would vote for her over the other guy.

What is sad is that a candidate who might otherwise be capable and electable (don't know enough to know whether that is true), but who has go adopt an alias to get elected.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 20, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Think about it for a minute.

What would you think if someone else claimed there was an organized cabal on a public blog who is out to destroy a specific poster. And this group is being paid by a political party.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 20, 2010 2:13 PM

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Or what would you think if two burned out losers whose monikers start with 'D' and 'N' respectively continually claim that the conservative posters at this blog are all the same person? Get the strait-jackets and the Thorazine ready.

Posted by: Brigade | June 20, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

noa, made my point far more elegantly than I did.

There is no question Nimrata is an opportunist trying to fool the public; all most teabaggers know is that there's this "Nikki Haley" gal who Phalin endorsed and who shares their belief in taking back America from "them," i.e., the mudpeople (in their stupid vernacular), not realizing "Nikki" is not just tanned, she was born tan. Nimrata has value to Phalin-ites only in providing a brown face for their white supremacist, anti-BHO agenda.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 20, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

M-I-A, you are WAY off on this -- I am making the opposite point: Sikh pride. If BHO had called himself "Barry Hugh Sein," the media would have bodyslammed him for deceiving the public.

For Nimrata to call herself "Nikki Haley," which she's doesn't for Sikh publications, is a slick deception of her teabagger followers who embrace what many see as a racist, supremacist agenda (see Janeane Garofalo, Frank Rich). Get serious: Nim knows full well Goober and Gomer in SC aren't voting for "Nimrata."

By contrast, BHO did show pride in his heritage. He totally owned his name and culture; he wasn't trying to fool anybody. And, in the end, 53% of voters supported "Barack Hussein Obama," the full name he used at his swearing in. Nim should take pride in her name and culture and put her real name, not her fake stage name, on the ballot.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 20, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Mark, you not only missed the point, you've missed the barn.

BWJ isn't doing a Jake on Haley, just the opposite. Haley couldn't run under her real name because she seeks the votes of bigots, the very people who wouldn't vote for Obama even if he was a Repiblican because unlike Haley, who appears merely tanned, he can't hide his origins with a name change.

It's like those gay Republicans so tied into knots theybsoen six hours a day rehearsing their self-justification.

BWJ is nor expressing racism, he's mocking racists, and mocking the twistedness of a minority seeking racist votes.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 20, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

@ddawd

It may serve CC to have 37th on here 24/7, but that is one hell of a responsibility. And it's crazy too, to have one person trying to defend against all the liberals. And it makes no real difference anyway.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 20, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

37th, no speculation about it. You're around because Chris wants you around. Enjoy the privilege.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 20, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

37th,

you might truly believe all the things you post about the democrats, but that isn't the point, is it. The point is that you are not the Maginot Line. You don't have to stop them. When you start feeling the pressure to stop some kind of world wide conspiracy, I promise you, you need some rest.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 20, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

To other fathers who post here and to CC, Happy Father's Day. My family took me for migas brunch and gave me a present and it was all good fun. I hope your day is as good as mine has been.

BWJ, let me humbly offer a word to the wise. When you call Jindal or Haley by their birth names, you sound just like the departed JakeD and his name games about the Prez. You surely do not think of yourself as anti - Hindi or anti-Sikh, and you probably are trying to make light of the right wing's obsession with Arabic names by turning the game on its head. However, for those of us who are not playing the name game, making fun of foreign sounding names, or pointing out that persons of non Euro descent often anglicize their names, sounds cut from the same cloth as criticizing a person for having an Arabic derived name.

I know that you can read that without taking offense, but please know that none is intended, in any case.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | June 20, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

37, you may not like noacoler, but if there is ANYTHING in his description that you are experiencing,

just take a deep breath and rest for a while.

You are on this blog almost around the clock. That is not good. We might be disagree with you at times, but we may know you better than anyone else.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 20, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

12Bar


I invite to take a look in the archives from the 2008 election - lets say starting in May -

No one can prevent posting - I agree

But what they do is harass other posters- and try to make them stop posting - they mock them -


DDawd keeps on complaining that I haven't been banned yet - and he keeps on speculating why.

I know why.

But the truth is the Obama people have organized - they are attacking people who do not agree with them.


This kind of behavior is counter to Freedom of Speech - it is counter to the traditions which have built over centuries in America.

This king of behavior is counter to the Bill of Rights.

This is why people believe that Obama is anti-American - and the Obama people would be happy to start changing the democracy in America - and changing the economic system into something that is far different from what we know.


12Bar - these people are clearly dangerous - they are anti-American They certainly do not believe in capitalism - they would prefer to see a more socialist economy.

12Bar - these people are out there - they are on this blog - and they are trying to take control of the government and make changes which are permanent - which can not be undone by future elections and future Congresses.

THAT is why it is so important to vote out the democrats out of Congress AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND UNDO EVERYTHING THAT THE OBAMA PEOPLE HAVE DONE.

You do not know everything they have done in Washington - or what they want to do.


They have refused to allow the final health care bill to be read BY ANYONE until 72 hours before the vote - they have thrown SECRET PROVISIONS IN - which we will only find out about later.

They have LIED about the true costs of the health care bill -


Only a portion of those lies have come out now.

The true costs will be leaked out slowly - and all of a sudden we will see that there is a health care program with a TRILLION DOLLARS OF ADDITIONAL DEFICIT PER YEAR.

This will put future Congressess in a serious fiscal situation.


AND it might cause the US military to have to pull out of various parts of the world - sparking wars.

YES - more people are going to die under Obama's health care bill - because it is a FINANCIAL NIGHTMARE.

Yea - you really do not realize what you are supporting.


I believe you.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 20, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I think it's far too late for that, 12Bar; by now 37th has a body like a plucked chicken, his collarbones ane eye sockets have deep hollows, his gums are receded and teeth are loose and starting to shed. He has shimmering at the periphery of his vision, his ears ring and he smells burning negatives.

He sleeps different hours every night in stinking unchanged sheets, forgets to eat, and has abdominal pains he ignores. His heart races, he vomits for no apparent reason, and he is entirely unable to check his downward spiral.

He will live at his keyboard until someone intervenes, be it the MHPs, his mom, the cable company, or the grim reaper.

He won't stop, CC likes having him around, and we're stuck with his onslaught of gibberish until his heart gives out. Considering the amount of meth he's doing now, posting around the clock, it probably won't be long, take heart.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 20, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Fake 37, Dr. Hugh R. Madd is waiting for your call. Recognition is the first step to recovery. Good luck and...get some sleep.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 20, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, 37th--you don't have to believe me, or do a darn thing I suggest...

But, again, I'll urge you to relax, take some time off, get some sleep, have a brew with your friends.

No one here can prevent you from posting comments.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 20, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Noa


You have been banned 3 times - your opinion means NOTHING.

You have been asked to leave, and never come back.

No one listens to you -


Do you get it ????

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | June 20, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Broadwayjoe


You should be banned for your blantant racism


and attacks on other posters.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 20, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

37th posted for 24 hours nonstop. And he's back on after a few hours of sleep. His paranoia about an organized campaign against him is consistent with amphetamine psychosis.

His posts are unreadable, illegible, hysterical, and each one appears dozens of times and in every active thread, never on topic, pure spamming, and this has gone in for
months. Many good contributors have simply given up trying to
post over the gibberish and CC does nothing about it.

On the contrary. 37th is anti-Obama so he eats it up.

I used to wonder, I don't anymore.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 20, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

What would you think if someone else claimed there was an organized cabal on a public blog who is out to destroy a specific poster.
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Actually isn't that kind of what scrivener claims?

Scrivener claims there is a conspiracy to shut down his comments, not by other posters, but by...what...microwave towers, or something. Actually I don't really read his posts, but I get the idea he believes there is a conspiracy out that is targeting him. Personally. That is the hallmark of paranoia. That some group of people find some ordinary person, and then target him.

Just my friendly advice, 37th. Get some sleep. Get out, talk a walk, go out to eat. Come back after a couple of days. The blog will still be here. You'll still be able to post.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 20, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

12Bar


They want to harass and mock anyone who posts a differing point of view.

The same group started a fight with the Hillary people on the Daily Kos blog.


Its not just me -

Posted by: 37thand0street | June 20, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

37t, you do'nt need an excuse to spam the board. Chris wants you around and you've got his blessing. No need to pretend you're serving a purpose. You want to keep people from talking and Chris C supports you. What more do you want?

Posted by: DDAWD | June 20, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Wow, look what a steaming pile Chris has left under here. Disgusting. It is sad too. This used to be a place where you could learn about politics from caring people with extensive local knowledge and different perspectives.

Clean up on Aisle Fix!

Clean Up, Aisle FIX!


Posted by: shrink2 | June 20, 2010 11:27 AM
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Fix left the building some months ago... The two interns may be of help, though.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 20, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

You aren't one of them - they have a specific agenda


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 20, 2010 2:02 PM
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And that agenda is to...what...destroy you?

Think about it for a minute.

What would you think if someone else claimed there was an organized cabal on a public blog who is out to destroy a specific poster. And this group is being paid by a political party.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 20, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Broadwayjoe


I don't know exactly how to describe how outrageous your posting at 1:57 is -


During the 2008 campaign YOU - I mean YOU - were complaining that people were using Obama's middle name of Hussein

And now you are trying to use Nikki Haley's name IN THE EXACT SAME WAY.

First, you are clearly showing how hypocritical Obama and his 2008 campaign was

Most importantly, you appear perfectly at ease DOING EXACTLY WHAT YOU HAVE SAID IS WRONG.


You are an extremely sick person.

A person like you really should not be involved in the political system - institutionalization in a mental facility is appropriate.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 20, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Fake 37, please give this individual a call:

Dr. Hugh R. Madd
666-666-6666
All consultations will be kept confidential.

I have called ahead for you. All the best.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 20, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

12Bar


You aren't one of them - they have a specific agenda


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 20, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

What's up with Nim?
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It may seem like a snark but it's not: BHO would be crucified by Faux News and hate radio if he tried to run for reelection as "Barry O'Bannion" or "Barry Hugh Sein."

Yet the media is okay with Mrs. Nimrata Kaur Randhawa running for the SC governorship under the fake tea bagger-acceptable name "Nikki Haley." BTW, in Sikh publications, the candidate is known as...Mrs. Nimrata Nikki Kaur Randhawa," NOT Nikki Haley. This is kinda Michelle Maglagang-ish, you know, "Stockholm Syndrome" nuttiness.

Nim, be proud and run as "Nim" and cut down on the "personal outreach."

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 20, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

So why wouldn't this group contact me and try to get me on board?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 20, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

12Bar


OK - you are not part of the group -

I agree about you

- there is a group on here though.


They coordinate what they are doing - I think they are emailed talking points.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 20, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

37th,

I'm telling you in all truth, there is no conspiracy against you. I am myself, not part of any other group, never been part of another group, not contacted by a group. You are becoming paranoid.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 20, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

12Bar


No - you just have 4 different people today complaining about the CONTENT of the postings

If I was pro-obama - these people would not care one bit about the postings.


I really don't care what they say


The key is that these people have long ceased to post anything of substance.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 20, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

armpeg wrote: What Joe Barton said though was correct. Comrade Obama is shaking down BP.
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"Shakedown".is.viral.now.

Thanks armpeg. I think you should write this all over the 'net. As well as here, of course.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 20, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

If the moveon.org people do not like the comments on this blog, it means that both sides are FINALLY getting represented.

The moveon.org people are ONLY happy when their point of view predominates -

Then the moveon.org people harass and mock other posters until it is unpleasant to post any opposing views.


This is the problem here - and we still have this situation -

We have a group of people here who are DEDICATED TO HINDERING THE FREE SPEACH VIEWS OF THE PEOPLE THEY DO NOT AGREE WITH.

This is un-American - it confirms the worst suspicions that people have about the Obama people.


It is also highly inappropriate in our traditional political system - and it is a civil rights violation.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 20, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Maybe you should get some sleep.

There is no conspiracy of Moveon or ANY other group of people posting against you.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 20, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Post, Fix's CC, the Democrap Socialist--controlled Main Stream Media, and the left wing loons here whining hysterically over Joe Barton's apology to BP, and calling Comrade Obama's shakedown exactly what it is, are in fact just trying to throw a red herring into the mix to divert the criticism away from Comrade Obama's now 60 day long failure to do anything about the worst oil spill disaster in our history.
As anyone with an IQ larger than his/her shoe size (that leaves out all you ahole liberals) can see, this Joe Barton statement has been bigger news with all the Comrade Obama--worshippers than the actual oil spill disaster, Comrade Obama's ineptitude in doing anything, and his Keystone Kop style of supposedly "taking charge". It figures though that when Joe Barton made that statement, this became bigger news with the Democrat Socialists and their In-the-Tank MSM because they're all circling the wagons.
What Joe Barton said though was correct. Comrade Obama is shaking down BP. Under our Constitution, no president has the power to demand that a private company set aside money to cover damages that they did. A dictator or king can. Under our Constitution all damage claims must go through our Judicial system, and not the Executive branch. I suspect that Comrade Obama's shakedown of BP to demand that a $20+ billion slush-fund be established, isn't to help Americans so much as to help the trial Lawyers of America who were his biggest campaign contributors make millions as payback.
Maybe I missed it, but I don't remember any US President shaking down the Tabaco companies, and demanding a similar slush-fund be set aside. Those damage claims wound their way through the courts.

Posted by: armpeg | June 20, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Post, Fix's CC, the Democrap Socialist--controlled Main Stream Media, and the left wing loons here whining hysterically over Joe Barton's apology to BP, and calling Comrade Obama's shakedown exactly what it is, are in fact just trying to throw a red herring into the mix to divert the criticism away from Comrade Obama's now 60 day long failure to do anything about the worst oil spill disaster in our history.
As anyone with an IQ larger than his/her shoe size (that leaves out all you ahole liberals) can see, this Joe Barton statement has been bigger news with all the Comrade Obama--worshippers than the actual oil spill disaster, Comrade Obama's ineptitude in doing anything, and his Keystone Kop style of supposedly "taking charge". It figures though that when Joe Barton made that statement, this became bigger news with the Democrat Socialists and their In-the-Tank MSM because they're all circling the wagons.
What Joe Barton said though was correct. Comrade Obama is shaking down BP. Under our Constitution, no president has the power to demand that a private company set aside money to cover damages that they did. A dictator or king can. Under our Constitution all damage claims must go through our Judicial system, and not the Executive branch. I suspect that Comrade Obama's shakedown of BP to demand that a $20+ billion slush-fund be established, isn't to help Americans so much as to help the trial Lawyers of America who were his biggest campaign contributors make millions as payback.
Maybe I missed it, but I don't remember any US President shaking down the Tabaco companies, and demanding a similar slush-fund be set aside. Those damage claims wound their way through the courts.

Posted by: armpeg | June 20, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Just because the Move.org people on this blog - who have been working together - do not like the comments on this blog, that does not mean the blog is ruined.


It means the comments are RIGHT.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 20, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Kenneth Feinberg, the $20b escrow administrator, is a GREAT interview. Very competent, action oriented, yet strong sense of being fair between parties. He's like a great lawyer on hyperdrive. Should be comforting to the folks in the Gulf.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 20, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

You all are acting like an eight-year old clique of girls.


Grow up.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 20, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Watching Meet the Press panel on BP, the spill, future of energy.

Haley Barbour complimented the President and BP for the establishment and the installment method of funding the account. This is the new GOP position, instead of slushfund.
Barbour pretended that the REAL problem was the WAY the escrow was to be funded (in $5b installments) was exactly right, so now Barton was just mistaken in his facts. Huh? Haley is one smooth talker.


Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 20, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

God, 37 is a basket case. Look at this train wreck of a blog. He's finally succeeded at destroying it, through frantic crackhead spamming. Too bad for you, CC. Too bad the WaPo tech people can't manage to moderate like every other decent blog.

Posted by: drindl | June 20, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Wow, look what a steaming pile Chris has left under here. Disgusting. It is sad too. This used to be a place where you could learn about politics from caring people with extensive local knowledge and different perspectives.

Clean up on Aisle Fix!

Clean Up, Aisle FIX!

Posted by: shrink2 | June 20, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Fake 37, you posted non-stop from 1:34am Saturday through 1:34am SUNDAY. Can you spell EMERGENCY INTERVENTION? LOL.

Work out some shifts with your alter egos and co-trolls (cannedtuna, armpit, zouk, brig-ade, mooned, bumblingfool, et al.).

Fake 37, I know the sleeping bag on the floor next to your Mom's washing machine in the basement isn't the most comfortable but, dude ... get some sleep. Seriously.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 20, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

REALLY IRONIC seeing the guy who personifies BURNING INSULATION and DEAD BRAIN CELLS talking about THINGS BEING CLEAR


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27th SHOULD CHECK INTO DETOX IMMEDIATELY.

Not that there's MUCH THEY CAN DO TO REVERSE THE DAMAGE


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BUT AT LEAST OTHER POSTERS could GET IN A WORD EDGEWISE

Posted by: Noacoler | June 20, 2010 2:17 AM | Report abuse

Clearly - the media should be focusing in on the role of MMS in this disaster and the explosion.


I have yet to see an article stating CLEARLY - this is what MMS should have been doing - and this is what MMS did - woefully short.


Yes, BP deserves blame - but the government regulators WERE SUPPOSED TO BE STOPPING BP FROM TAKING UNSAFE PROCEDURES.


We have 700 BP violations in the Texas refinery.


Supposedly 300 violations on offshore oil platforms


AND hundreds of violations at BP facilities in Alaska.

So CLEARLY something is wrong with MMS - they FAILED TO MAKE SURE THAT SAFE PROCEDURES WERE IN PLACE.

Obama had COMPLETED A YEAR LONG REVIEW WHICH WAS SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT THESE ISSUES -


IN MARCH OBAMA GAVE A SPEECH TO AMERICA SAYING WE NEED TO EXPAND OFFSHORE DRILLING - AND ALL THE ISSUES HAVE BEEN REVIEWED BY OBAMA - SAFETY AND ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.

Now this is competence at its worst.


There is no doubt that Obama had reviewed all these procedures.

OBAMA MUST RESIGN OVER THIS -


THIS IS THE LARGEST ENVIRONMENTAL DISASTER IN AMERICAN HISTORY - AND OBAMA IS RESPONSIBLE.


IT IS UNPRECEDENTED.


OBAMA SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY AND GO BACK TO HYDE PARK.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 20, 2010 1:34 AM | Report abuse

Noa


How are those paragraphs in that last posting ?


Good enough for you ?


When are you leaving the country ???

You keep on promising everyone that you are leaving.

Please leave.

AND DON'T POST FROM OUTSIDE THE COUNTRY - NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR FROM YOU.

PERHAPS WE CAN BLOCK YOUR INTERNET FROM YOUR PIT.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 20, 2010 1:32 AM | Report abuse

Clearly - the media should be focusing in on the role of MMS in this disaster and the explosion.

I have yet to see an article stating CLEARLY - this is what MMS should have been doing - and this is what MMS did - woefully short.

Yes, BP deserves blame - but the government regulators WERE SUPPOSED TO BE STOPPING BP FROM TAKING UNSAFE PROCEDURES.

We have 700 BP violations in the Texas refinery.


Supposedly 300 violations on offshore oil platforms

AND hundreds of violations at BP facilities in Alaska.


So CLEARLY something is wrong with MMS - they FAILED TO MAKE SURE THAT SAFE PROCEDURES WERE IN PLACE.


Obama had COMPLETED A YEAR LONG REVIEW WHICH WAS SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT THESE ISSUES -


IN MARCH OBAMA GAVE A SPEECH TO AMERICA SAYING WE NEED TO EXPAND OFFSHORE DRILLING - AND ALL THE ISSUES HAVE BEEN REVIEWED BY OBAMA - SAFETY AND ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.


Now this is competence at its worst.

There is no doubt that Obama had reviewed all these procedures.


OBAMA MUST RESIGN OVER THIS -


THIS IS THE LARGEST ENVIRONMENTAL DISASTER IN AMERICAN HISTORY - AND OBAMA IS RESPONSIBLE.

IT IS UNPRECEDENTED.

OBAMA SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY AND GO BACK TO HYDE PARK.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 20, 2010 1:27 AM | Report abuse

Note that 37th is too charred upstairs to parse a straightforward few paragraphs.

It's about the PERMANENT DAMAGE YOU HAVE DONE TO YOUR BRAIN AND YOUR HEALTH DOING METH

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AND IT IS IRREVERSIBLE

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AND YOU HAVENT INFLUENCED ANYONE

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WAY TO GO LOSER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Noacoler | June 20, 2010 1:18 AM | Report abuse

MEANWHILE - THE PRESS UNDER-COVERS THE STORY THAT OBAMA DID A YEAR-LONG REVIEW OF OFFSHORE DRILLING - AND OBAMA SHOULD HAVE MADE SURE MMS DID THE SAFETY INSPECTIONS CORRECTLY.


AND THE MEDIA DROPPED THE ROMANOFF SCANDAL


THE SESTEK SCANDAL


THE OBAMA - JARRETT OFFER TO BLAGO WITH THE UNION OFFICIAL SCANDAL


AND THE WHOLE TRUTH THAT OBAMA SHOULD HAVE A RICO CHARGE AGAINST HIM.


Anyway..........


And the democrats say "it's not the end of this"


Such hypocrisy from the democrats - nothing they say has any credibility any more.


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______________________________________


Even if there is no SPECIAL PROSECUTOR TO INVESTIGATE THE CRIMES OF OBAMA, they can still be investigated after Obama leaves office.

Obama should be tried for THE SESTAK-ROMANOFF- BLAGO RICO ACCUSATIONS.


Clearly, Obama has a RICO allegation there.

IT'S NOT THE END OF THIS.


OBAMA MIGHT GO TO JAIL AFTER HE LEAVES OFFICE.


CRIMINALS LIKE THIS HAVE TO BE PROSECUTED.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 20, 2010 1:17 AM | Report abuse

Noa


You have been on this blog under at least 7 different names


You have been banned at least three times.

No one has caused more disruption to this blog than you.

Everytime you complain about something, EVERYONE wonders why you just don't leave.


So - at practically every level - you have no credibility - AND if you are complaining about the number of posts - you probably lead in that category as well -

So WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ???

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA THAT YOU ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT YOURSELF ????

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | June 20, 2010 1:12 AM | Report abuse

37th, do you sometimes think you smell burning photographic negatives?

I bet you do.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 20, 2010 1:09 AM | Report abuse


DON'T THE DEMOCRATS UNDERSTAND THAT MMS COULD HAVE DONE THE SAFETY INSPECTIONS CORRECTLY AND PREVENTED THE OIL SPILL ????


THE EXPLOSION OF THE OIL RIG WAS A FAILURE OF GOVERNMENT.

So all your talk of government this - government that - the GOVERNMENT FAILED TO REGULATE PROPERLY.

It makes no sense to give the government any more powers - especially over health care.

The FACT is this OIL SPILL IS THE BIGGEST FAILURE OF ANY ADMINISTRATION IN THE HISTORY OF THE COUNTRY - SINCE THE FAILURE TO STOP THE CIVIL WAR.


Seriously, in the past 140 years, can you name a BIGGER FAILURE OF ANY PRESIDENT - BIGGER THAN THE FAILURE OF OBAMA TO MAKE SURE THAT MMS DID THE PROPER SAFETY INSPECTIONS ?????


Experience matters - those who ignored experience when voting for President are complete idiots.


Qualifications matter - those who ignored qualification when voting for President were EXTREMELY IRRESPONSIBLE WITH THIS NATION.


Now our fellow Americans are SUFFERING - AND THEY HAVE ONLY THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TO BLAME.


What a miserable failure.

Posted by: 37thand0street | June 20, 2010 1:07 AM | Report abuse

Noa

Since you seem to be examining the motives of others - and passing judgement on them -


WHAT ARE YOUR MOTIVES

HOW IN THE WORLD IS WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN DOING ANY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU CLAIM OTHERS ARE DOING ????


Are you under such a self-delusion that you type an entire post like that and you do not realize you are only talking about yourself ???


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 20, 2010 12:57 AM | Report abuse

One really needs to wonder about these mentals like 37th/cannula and zouk/Brigade, putting SO much effort into trying to shape opinion on this silly blog.  Zouk spends almost all day here, cycling through all his monikers, and in preparation he must spend hours scouring up hate screeds to paste.  which means that it's pretty much his whole life.  And 37th sleeps at his keyboard and has pretty much ashed his brain staying up around the clock with stimulants so not only is this is life, he's also ruined what remains of it.  Amphetamine psychosis, and probably lifelong pancreatic and liver problems.

And to what end?  Neither / none of them is going to change a single opinion by posting on here, save opposite to intended.  I don't think anyone reading 37th's brain-damaged static or the soul-rotting hate coming from zouk/brigade is going to be influenced to go from disagreeing to agreeing, au contraire, both are deeply repellent.

So they are spending their lives, and in 37th's case throwing away their lives, to no avail whatsoever.

I suppose it keeps them off the streets and out of schoolyards, but do we HAVE to see it?

Gửi từ iPad của tôi

Posted by: Noacoler | June 20, 2010 12:42 AM | Report abuse

37th - Twisting others' words is Brigade's shtick. Unusual CAPITALIZATION

and

EXCESSIVE

use

of

the

CARRIAGE RETURN

is

YOUR

shtick.

PLEASE understand your

LIMITATIONS.

my SHTICK

is

PUTTING

a silly

B

B

AT the END

of EVERY post

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | June 19, 2010 11:49 PM | Report abuse

I enjoyed that article. Manon Trivedi is running against Jim Gerlach, incumbent, in my PA 6 CD. I thought Trivedi was going to be an Italian woman when I first saw the name! We're all very up on him as a candidate: miltary field surgeon, young father, 1st generation American, ready to serve his country in politics as he did in the military.

Gerlach is always looking for the safe place to lie low. He was a quiet Bush lapdog who made himself look moderate for 6 months every 2 years -- and it's worked for him. He's been reelected in a D leaning CD. When the GOP looked done for in 2009 he announced he was running for Governor instead of the House -- the job looked a lot safer and easier and there was no incumbent to unseat. Well, then being Governor started to look like a nasty job (budget deficits) and Toomey was interested, so he obligingly switched back to his House run. Gerlach is like water, always finding the easiest path and maintaining the lowest profile. He's done nothing for his CD.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | June 19, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100619/ap_on_re_us/us_indian_american_politicians

Record number of Indian-Americans seeking office

One of them is actually looking to take Charlie Melancon's seat. He's running as a Democrat, so I doubt he'll win.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 19, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

" only remedy for aggrieved citizens in these situations are the courts and the government. The republicans hate the courts getting involved in class action suits but hate even more when the government is effective in securing rapid redress. For the Republicans the government needs to be seen as an ineffective enemy rather than a natural ally in times like these."

Indeed, Bob. Effective government is what they hate most.

Posted by: drindl | June 19, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse


maybe because i'm stoopid?

Posted by: drindl | June 19, 2010 9:18 PM


_______________________________


Drindl


You spam the board on a daily basis - mostly with stuff from the Huffington Post or the Daily Kos

Time to stop all of that.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

But, I think Barrett's last answer as to why he voted for TARP was a great answer. IMO.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

"leichtman


I just repeat myself - because people don't see to get it.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street"


maybe because it's stoopid?

Posted by: drindl | June 19, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Nikki Haley might be a stage name, but she is a much better debater than her runoff opponent.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

It's not that I think Barton can be nationalized. The claim that he's just another representative is facetious. He's the RANKING REPUBLICAN on the committee. Their point man on energy. Republicans made such a big deal of the false claim that Obama goes around apologizing for America when Barton is actually doing it. That's worth noting.

Incidentally, I'm listening to the debate. Muy interesante.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | June 19, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

I never spam anything

You keep on sending the same posting in


What's up with that ???

Do you talk like that in real life ??


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

BB, I don't think Barton can be nationalized. Republicans have been doing that with Pelosi for as long as I remember and have been comical failures at it.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 19, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

so egg man you admit that you are deliberately
spamming this site while others struggle
with the submit button and intend a single post.

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 19, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of having gone viral, there is a web site where you can post your apology to BP.

The tweets are continuously displayed. One humorous one:

We Gulf Coast residents should quit whining and realize it's not an oil spill. It's BP's new home delivery program. #Imsorrybp

"http://apologizetobp.com/

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

You have to hit submit once and then go have a smoke or see what the kids are doing or visit the loo or get a snack....

Posted by: margaretmeyers | June 19, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

debate for Dem nomination for NC Senate. Cal Cunningham vs Elaine Marshall. On CSpan

Posted by: DDAWD | June 19, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

leichtman


I just repeat myself - because people don't see to get it.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

are others here finding that the submit button doesn't work and ending up with unintended multiple posts?

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 19, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

12bAR


I am me and no one else


I used to be Dorchester and Congress

But that was last year - that is the corner where the original Tea Party took place in Boston.

Surprised you didn't figure that out.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

"before corporations who have been both overly greedy and incompetent."

Posted by: BobSanderson | June 19, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Bob, neither do I want the Ds to be branded
as the antI business/corporation party. Lets just say we want to keep BADLY run corporations from damaging our nation.

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 19, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Bob, neither do I want the Ds to be branded
as the antI business/corporation party. Lets just say we want to keep BADLY run corporations from damaging our nation.

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 19, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

He's not running for anything but representative from his own district. He doesn't have a high enough profile to make big tracks.

Posted by: Brigade | June 19, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

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Brigade,

He's the ranking Republican on the committee. If you don't think that means something, you're a fool. Listen to him backtracking after Boehner and Cantor told his position was history if he didn't "extend and revise" his remarks. His primary error was in saying what Republicans think. I'm figuring Bachmann is gong for a talk show as she'll never get a whiff of a committee chair.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | June 19, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Bob, neither do I want the Ds to be branded
as the antibusiness/corporation party. Lets just say we want to keep BAD run corporations from damaging our nation.

The better R response to the $20 bln would have been $20 bln won't fix the decades of damage that BP has done to the Gulf communities. Its a good start but just not enough. Nope they had to take it a step further and label it Un Aemrican, shake down money and stand up for endless tort litigation which I find to be the strangest position I could ever imagine from the GOP.
But I disagree with your suggestion that we use this as an excuse to bash ALL corporations. Some in my party would find my views treasonous.

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 19, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Bob, neither do I want the Ds to be branded
as the antibusiness/corporation party. Lets just say we want to keep BAD run corporations from damaging our nation.

The better R response to the $20 bln would have been $20 bln won't fix the decades of damage that BP has done to the Gulf communities. Its a good start but just not enough. Nope they had to take it a step further and label it Un Aemrican, shake down money and stand up for endless tort litigation which I find to be the strangest position I could ever imagine from the GOP.
But I disagree with your suggestion that we use this as an excuse to bash ALL corporations. Some in my party would find my views treasonous.

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 19, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Republican slavishness to corporate interests needed a face and that face was Joe Barton's. It could have been a number of other more prominent Republicans such as the Arctic Grifter or Bachmann but it became Barton.

His statements continues to fascinate the nation. They demonstrate a clear break between the two parties on the appropriate power of corporations in the political process despite the nation collectively suffering from the Gulf disaster.

The Republicans could not just be quiet and let Barton apologize. No! They had to support what he said if not where he said it. They believe in an odd form of patriotism embodied in blindly supporting corporate power even when the nation's citizens stand powerless before corporations who have been both overly greedy and incompetent.

The only remedy for aggrieved citizens in these situations are the courts and the government. The republicans hate the courts getting involved in class action suits but hate even more when the government is effective in securing rapid redress. For the Republicans the government needs to be seen as an ineffective enemy rather than a natural ally in times like these.

In the case of the $20 billion escrow account it was clearly doing the right thing and Republicans couldn't hold their tongues. They have kept this story in the news.

Posted by: BobSanderson | June 19, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

and drindl that will be the only way Barton
will be used in Nov in close races IF the spill is even stillo an issue in Nov. "If you vote
for my R opponent you also vote to put this man in charge of regulating BP and make him the Chairman of the House Energy Committee"
Cantor recognized that problem immediately. Too bad for him that Newt,Dick Armey, Tom Price,
Rand Paul, Michelle Bachman, Laura Ingram and Limbaugh didn't get that memo and want to keep that story alive. When your opponents start digging don't take their shovel away, let them keep digging.

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 19, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

and drindl that will be the only way Barton
will be used in Nov in close races IF the spill is even stillo an issue in Nov. "If you vote
for my R opponent you also vote to put this man in charge of regulating BP and make him the Chairman of the House Energy Committee"
Cantor recognized that problem immediately. Too bad for him that Newt,Dick Armey, Tom Price,
Rand Paul, Michelle Bachman, Laura Ingram and Limbaugh didn't get that memo and want to keep that story alive. When your opponents start digging don't take their shovel away, let them keep digging.

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 19, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Didn't you get the memo? Bumblingberry, Moonbat, 37th, cannula, "zouk", Jake, and me are all just one person.

Posted by: Brigade | June 19, 2010 7:42 PM
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It's way more complicated than that. Bwahahaha!!!!!

bumbling, zouk, moonbat, comrade zero, douf, drivl, et al are 1 person. That is admitted and is not in dispute.

cannula, 37th are 1 person (in dispute)

jake is gone torturing another blog

brigade is zouk et al (in dispute)

So, you see there are at least 2 people and as many as 4. There. Not that that is a significant difference from all being 1 person, I'll admit.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

not 37, cannula or jake.

Posted by: drindl | June 19, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

ddawd wrote: Perhaps Barton will be the warning that Republicans need to just shut up. (seems like more and more of that party seems to be taking the advice of hiding their views. Kind of strange for a so-called Republican wave election, no?)
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What are the odds the Republicans will just shut up about a "Chicago-style shakedown of BP"? Maybe, Joe Barton will shut up, but Joe just unleashed the pent up fury of the base. This.is.viral.now.

You said a very wise thing--the irony that there is a Republican wave coming while the R's have to dummy up and hide their views. What's wrong with this story?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Barton is in a very powerful position, the highest ranking Republican on the House Energy and Commerce Committee. If Rs took over he would be regulating drilling activity. And he so loves the oil companies...

no, it will not go away.

Posted by: drindl | June 19, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Margaretmeyers,
"Yeah, right. No one is talking about Barton. heee-hee-hee. 275 comments and

NO

ONE"

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Political junkies, margaret. There aren't enough of them. Many of the 275 comments are from the same people and many are off topic. Didn't you get the memo? Bumblingberry, Moonbat, 37th, cannula, "zouk", Jake, and me are all just one person.

Posted by: Brigade | June 19, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Barton is a symptom, not the disease. You think that he has some fringe opinion? Of course not. Quite a few GOPs have said similar sentiments. Michelle Bachman's opponent put out a pretty tough ad on Bachman using her own words of BP sympathy. Almost all of the GOP talking heads support BP. Perhaps Barton will be the warning that Republicans need to just shut up. (seems like more and more of that party seems to be taking the advice of hiding their views. Kind of strange for a so-called Republican wave election, no?)

Posted by: DDAWD | June 19, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

No one outside of Barton's district gives a hoot. Most don't even know him. Too bad.
Posted by: Brigade

Yeah, right. No one is talking about Barton. heee-hee-hee. 275 comments and

NO

ONE

is talking about Barton. I'm wiping atear from my eye. Go on, Brigade, tell me how much I'll be weeping in November when Dungy Harry loses. I'm waiting. hee-hee-hack.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | June 19, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Brigade | June 19, 2010 7:03 PM

Brigade, When you've got nothing to say, just don't say it.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | June 19, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

the Nevada GOP blew it clear and simple.
The Chicken Lady's comments would have been
forgiven and forgotten by Nov. the alcohol references,privatizing SS and Medicare is political suicide for the large senior population
in Nevada. Nevada has a horrible housing crisis and unemployment rate. Ban alcohol in Las Vegas
and see how much worse that will be. End the safety net of SS during a Nevada economic crisis and see how that plays; not likely very well.
Cornyn's concerns about Angel were well founded.
Thank you Nevada GOP you guys blew it.

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 19, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

At the simplest level:

Are the Democrats better positioned for the midterms after Joe Barton's apology?

Or are the Republicans better positioned for the midterms after Joe Barton's apology?

Maybe Joe Barton will fade back into obscurity, but all the dittoheads out there are now picking up the chant and broadcasting it.

Then, you have the neophyte scaries--Paul and Angle--who have serious message control issues, shall we say.

Barton may shut up, but he set off a relay race, where one Republican after another is taking up the "poor BP" chant.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

typo: Crist will use it against Rubio

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 19, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

leichtman, I don't think guys like George Will and Marc Thiessen are penning columns crying about how Harry Reid pumped up Sue Angle and is putting in plants if they are happy about her nomination

Posted by: DDAWD | June 19, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

America's attention span usually doesn't last
more than 48 hours so you might be right.
Barton's image along with GOP support of
some of Wallstreet's bad actors(I said some)
will however be linked to the Whitman and Fiorina races and Murray's in Washington, and Wyden's in Oregon where corporate misconduct
is a hot political topic and especially in races where you have CEOs running, imho. I am sure Christ will also use it against Rubio to tie Rubio to BP.

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 19, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

brigade: Joe Barton has been the lead story on most every national and local news story over the last 48 hours. Think again if you don't think anyone knows Barton's idenity since Thursday.

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 19, 2010 6:58 PM
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He's not running for anything but representative from his own district. He doesn't have a high enough profile to make big tracks. He's no Newt Gingrich or Tom Delay. Everyone knew them. A week from now, no one will remember Barton. Do you think someone's going to take Chuck Grassley's Senate seat by running ads about Barton? I don't think so. But enjoy it while it lasts, because Barton is a sure enough fool---I'll give you that.

Posted by: Brigade | June 19, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't be counting my Senate wins brigade. I will give you Ky is a lost cause
but attacking alcohol in Nevada is likely even more than the Las Vegas Tea Party will tolerate. The Nevada GOP blew it choosing Angel even John Cornyn senses that.

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 19, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

hey photo boy -- back with your obsession with myself an noa. can you really not think about anythng else?

man, you torture yourself... what an imitation of life.

Posted by: drindl | June 19, 2010 6:51 PM

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When ole Harry gets his November butt-kicking, you and he and Noacoler should form a song and dance trio: Dungy Harry, Dirty Drindl, and Naughty Noacoler. 12barblues can write the arrangements and broadwayjoe can show you some of his soft shoe moves.

Posted by: Brigade | June 19, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

National Tea Party Unity Convention
Palazzo Las Vegas Resort
July 15 - 17, 2010

Brochure Draft Copy

Includes: Entrance for 3 days to the Convention, including breakout sessions and speakers

Includes: Entrance to the convention evening general sessions activities (TBD)

Includes: Gourmet Breakfast and Lunch Buffets Friday and Saturday

Includes: Entrance to the TPN Conservative Film Festival

Tentative Agenda

* "Armed insurrection: Don't let the lamestream media call it treason"
Speaker Sharron Angle (if we can find her)
Lecture and gun cleaning demonstration (gun extra)

* Scientology Massages!
(n/c for parolees or or anyone ready to assassinate a big government official )
(Live Free or Die Trying tent)

* "I WAITED TO GET ANGRY ABOUT THE DEFICIT UNTIL A BLACK MAN WAS PRESIDENT" Confessional and Revival Meeting (n/c if you swear you are not a racist).

* "Why the neighbors' kids don't need a Doc" Dr. Rand Paul
Lecture with handy First Aid book included for 1st 100 sporting a Lipton Tea Bag
(Lipton Tea Tent near Obama Joker Face Painting Contest for the kids)

* "I want my country back and where to find it"
With practical GPS tips(Garmin Survivalist Tent)

* "What is your favorite Amendment Oiled Mud Wrestling Competition"
"1st vs the 2nd and Jambalaya Cook Off"
July 15th only( BP Courtesy Tent)

* "Elect your favorite Bikinied MILF Contest: Bachmann VS Palin VS Ingraham VS Dobbs"
( Tickets $10,000 and reservations required) HD Video tapes sold separately and discreetly - Cancun Vacation with Lou Dobbs RAFFLE TICKET with EACH RESERVATION!
Someone has to win!

* "Why do Kenyans have such un-American accents?" - Moderator Orly Taitz


* "Winning Strategy Against the Left: Bring the Asian-Americans into the Tea Party Movement - we can't get anybody else" - Moderator Michelle Malkin

* "Death Panels for Dummies"
Guest Speakers Sarah Palin and her Todd
Book included - great snacks - free if you bring a LIVE Grannie in a wheel chair.
Warning: Check with your doctor first to see if you can take the whole truth.

* Hate Tent Services Throughout!
- free entry and exit if you are armed and loaded

* NO ONE WILL BE TAXED AT THE DOOR! $500 membership fee at the registration tent.

Posted by: BobSanderson | June 19, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

brigade: Joe Barton has been the lead story on most every national and local news story over the last 48 hours. Think again if you don't think anyone knows Barton's idenity since Thursday.

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 19, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Harry Reid has an ad out in Nevada, called 'Where in the World is Sharron Angle" that does that, b. I don't know if that particular bit is in it, but I do know it has her talking about getting rid of Medicare and Social Security.

Posted by: drindl | June 19, 2010 6:38 PM

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He won't have to wonder where she's at much longer. Come November she'll be easy to locate---in the Senate seat formerly occupied by the man known as Dungy Harry.

Posted by: Brigade | June 19, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Joe Barton, just like Tom Delay will bcomee the poster child of the GOP.Tom Price, Sharon Angel, Newt and Dick Army will regret their unbridled defense of BP. They are TONE DEAF but as 12bar just posted: keep it up please don't resign from the House Energy Committee. You are the Ds best spokesman.

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 19, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Barton should just keep talking. As should Angle and paul. More! Just say what you really think, we love it.

Posted by: drindl | June 19, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

"But, will the Barton storyline have legs beyond the Sunday talk shows?

-- Felicia Sonmez"

sorry felicia, definitely.

Posted by: drindl | June 19, 2010 6:24 PM

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Sorry, drindl, definitely not. No one outside of Barton's district gives a hoot. Most don't even know him. Too bad.

Posted by: Brigade | June 19, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

hey photo boy -- back with your obsession with myself an noa. can you really not think about anythng else?

man, you torture yourself... what an imitation of life.

Posted by: drindl | June 19, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

it's SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO hard.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 4:23 PM

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Better spit it out. What do you expect?

Posted by: Brigade | June 19, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

37th,

If you think the liberals on this blog want Barton to resign, you have a serious reading comprehension problem.

My fear is that he will resign.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

leichtman


The topic is the OIL SPILL

OBAMA DID NOT DO THE SAFETY INSPECTIONS CORRECTLY - WITH HIS PEOPLE AT MMS.

OBAMA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE OIL SPILL


This thread is a fake-out to the democrats - to see if they will SHOW THEY HAVE NO JUDGEMENT IN THE MIDDLE OF A CRISIS -

THE DEMOCRATS ONLY CARE ABOUT THE POLITICS - AND COVERING OBAMA.

It is a sad sad commentary

We don't hear anything from the democrats on MMS - which was the ACTUAL CAUSE OF THE DISASTER.

But all the democrats want to talk about is a RETRACTED COMMENT.

Shows how much the democrats care about the nation.

IT PROVES HOW LITTLE JUDGEMENT THE DEMOCRATS HAVE -

AND HOW UNFIT TO GOVERN THE DEMOCRATS ARE.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

they think Barton should ???
--------------------------------------------
Are you CRAZY? We don't want Barton to resign.
Ever. Ever.

And we don't want Barton to shut up. Talk, man, talk. Don't stop.

Fer god's sake, we want him to stay.

Right, everyone?


Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Drindl wrote,
"I see 'Brigade' has finally stopped even pretending not to be zouk... his obssession with me -- and I wasn't even on the board all day"

and then Noacoler wrote,
"He can't pull it off, he's given himself away many times. Sneering about air conditioned gyms, the use of "commie," the homophobia goads. It's zouk, when was there any doubt?"

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Seriously delusional. Both of them obsessed with me and with "zouk", too. Drindl doesn't even recall the posts she left yesterday. Noacoler's button has been pushed enough that now the fake veneer of humanity has peeled away once and for all to reveal the bile and bigotry that always lurked just beneath the surface. He's already called for the annihilation of a former president, of the state of Israel, and of conservative posters who have taken his measure and embarassed him time and again here on the blog. What's next---a belt of explosives and a daycare center or mall? Keep your eye on the six o'clock news for Noacoler and Drindl.

Posted by: Brigade | June 19, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

So the democrats on this blog do not think Rep Etheridge should resign, but they think Barton should ???


AND what about Obama - and his responsibility for MMS


OBAMA SHOULD BE THE ONE RESIGNING - IF HE HAD TAKEN CARE OF THE SAFETY INSPECTIONS, THE OIL RIG WOULD HAVE NEVER EXPLODED.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

drindl wrote: 37 has like tourette's syndrome for racism
----------------------------------
Ain't that the truth. Just imagine this: 37th lurching and twitching all over the basement yelling

"racist"
"n*ggars bad"
"broadway go way"
twitch
"innr city"
"taxi burns"
f'art

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

the topic is Joe Barton and the D response,
concentrate 37th we know that is difficult.

Meg Whitman and Scott Brown seem to be running away from the TeaParty as fast as they can.

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 19, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

"@12: Sharron Angle "PROBABLY regrets" her suggested "Second Amendment" solution to unseating opponents like Reid. :) Unbelievable.

The Dems' failure to put together multiple attack ads showing the teabaggers' "greatest hits," including this Sharron mega-hit, is a huge missed opportunity."

Harry Reid has an ad out in Nevada, called 'Where in the World is Sharron Angle" that does that, b. I don't know if that particular bit is in it, but I do know it has her talking about getting rid of Medicare and Social Security.

Posted by: drindl | June 19, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

37 has like tourette's syndrome for racism -- he literally can't shut up. I think he's the proverbial internet stereotype failed young guy in his mom's basement. He doesn't do ANYTHING but spew on here.

Man, what a sad excuse for existence.

Posted by: drindl | June 19, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman


For months we all heard from the people on this blog how the Tea Party was about to turn violent - and how horrible for the nation they were

And yet the leftists are the violent ones.

And the democratic Congressmen - you better NOT ask any of them if they "support the Obama agenda" - they lose it and get violent.


Anyway - just comparing the Tea Party to the violence of the left.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

are you calling Meg Whitman a Laker
thug?

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 19, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Video of another INNER CITY MOB - burning a taxi this time


http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-0618-lakers-20100618,0,3239781.story


THE VIOLENCE CONTINUES BUT THE DEMOCRATS REMAIN SILENT

AND THEY NEVER DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.


IS THIS THE DEMOCRATS' VISION FOR AMERICA ?


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

VIOLENCE TALLY


(just trying to keep the leftists honest)


Democratic Members of Congress 1


Lakers Thugs 1

Tea Party 0


Tea Party isn't really that violent, is it ? Mostly lawn chairs and BBQ.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

"But, will the Barton storyline have legs beyond the Sunday talk shows?

-- Felicia Sonmez"

sorry felicia, definitely.

Posted by: drindl | June 19, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

yes the Lakers are thugs. And that has
something to do with this thread how?

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 19, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

yes the Lakers are thugs. And that has
something to do with this thread how?

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 19, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

The Lakers fans are a bunch of thugs -


The police should have used much stronger methods to contain the crowd - and to protect innocent people.

THERE IS NO LIMIT TO THE VIOLENCE OF THE LAKERS THUGS.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

LAKERS THUGS UNLEASH VIOLENT RIOT

Before it was over, police had fired tear gas and stinging pellets to disperse a scrum of several hundred people who surrounded a city bus filled with passengers and attempted to yank the driver out through a window. A cabbie fled when his taxi was set upon by another mob that kicked in the windshield and set it ablaze. A local YWCA, several restaurants and other storefronts had windows smashed. At least eight people, one of them beaten unconscious, were taken to area hospitals. Firefighters put out 19 rubbish and vehicle fires and police had made about 50 arrests.

____________________________________


Just more inner city violence to add to the list.


Meanwhile, where is all the Tea Party violence ??? Bloggers here complain about Sharon Angle, or the Tea Party - and complain about the violence.

______________________________

AND YET - SILENCE ON THE INNER CITY VIOLENCE WHICH CONTINUES.


And the democrats NEVER DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

@12: Sharron Angle "PROBABLY regrets" her suggested "Second Amendment" solution to unseating opponents like Reid. :) Unbelievable.

The Dems' failure to put together multiple attack ads showing the teabaggers' "greatest hits," including this Sharron mega-hit, is a huge missed opportunity.

Seriously, this is the first time in my lifetime I can remember a major party's candidate for a Congressional seat publicly suggesting/urging the murd-, uh, neutralization of an opponent. Breathtaking.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 19, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

more about Sharron Angle:

At a press luncheon this week, former House majority leader Dick Armey (R) of Texas suggested that Angle (who was member of the Nevada State Assembly for eight years) probably regrets her comments about any need for “a Second Amendment remedy” to a Congress led by the likes of Harry Reid.

Sen. John Cornyn (R) of Texas, chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, found himself having to explain why Angle had once been a member of the Independent American Party, founded in Nevada (according to its website) because “the Republican Party was growing too corrupt and socialistic.”

same source as below
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I heard that Angle was spotted behind her Foster Grants at the local Shooters-R-Us range. When approached, she put her earmuffs over her eyes, and yelled "I can't see you".

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

speaking of Sharron Angle:

Sharron Angle is a favorite of the burgeoning “tea party” movement. But she brings with her fight to enter the political big time a set of controversial positions, statements, and affiliations that GOP leaders are having to scrub, explain, or make excuses for.

“She may be the only Republican alive Harry Reid can beat,” Eric Herzik, chairman of the political science department at the University of Nevada-Reno, told the Associated Press.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/The-Vote/2010/0619/Tea-party-favorite-Sharron-Angle-takes-aim-at-Harry-Reid

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Whatdyamean? Not let people talk. I'd let Sharron Angle and Rand Paul talk all day long, all night long, and all week long. I'll hold the mic.

The problem is they can't talk--the GOP won't let 'em out of their undisclosed secure location.

I say, LET 'EM TALK. Puh-lease.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Is there any question about what Angle means when she threatens resort to "Second Amendment remedies" to deal with Members of Congress?
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Sharron Angle says "I think we should fire on Harry Reid".

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPS!

Sharron Angle NOW says "I think we should fire Harry Reid".


Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Broadwayjoe


You have become an enemy of the Bill of Rights


You don't like the Second Amendment

AND you don't like the First Amendment - you use SLURS AGAINST PEOPLE WHO EXERCISE THEIR FREEDOM OF SPEECH - IN AN EFFORT TO STOP THEM FROM SPEAKING.

You don't believe in Freedom of Speech, right,


You think everyone should adhere to your version of politically correct speech, right ?

YOU ARE AN ENEMY OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

LOOKIE HERE........DEMOCRAT CAUGHT TAKING MONEY FROM BP AFTER OIL SPILL

ISN'T THIS WORSE THAN BARTON TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT THE OBAMA SHAKEDOWN?


The National Republican Congressional Committee pounced Friday on a story in the Washington Post noting that Rep. Glenn Nye (D-Va.) was one of several lawmakers and candidates who had fundraisers thrown for them by lobbyists for BP -- after the oil spill that is still pouring into the Gulf of Mexico.

Posted by: charlietuna6661 | June 19, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Fix Interns

Never listen to broadwayjoe - he is an unhinged racist who gets really confused when he needs actual facts.

He has a distorted view of the country - and just about everything else.

Just ignore him - he will go away sometime.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

@Fix interns:

When you have time and aren't helping your supervisor write posts about "Dan Coats, the anti-Obama" and provide free Pawlenty ad/mentions, try reading the newspaper that writes your paychecks, the Washington Post. Here's something written by Fix coworker Greg Sargent about teabagger heroine, the Joan of Ick herself, Sharron Angle:

"Here's another one that could be tough for Sharron Angle to explain away: In an interview in January, Angle appeared to float the possibility of armed insurrection if "this Congress keeps going the way it is."

I'm not kidding. In an interview she gave to a right-wing talk show host, Angle approvingly quoted Thomas Jefferson saying it's good for a country to have a revolution every 20 years -- and said that if Congress keeps it up, people may find themselves resorting to "Second Amendment remedies.""
________________

Is there any question about what Angle means when she threatens resort to "Second Amendment remedies" to deal with Members of Congress? Where's the MSM on this fascist madness -- still bleating about BHO saying "a$$"? Sad.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 19, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

The democratic party has disgraced itself with its behavior during this oil spill.

The blantant political covering - and the complete lack of competence is ridiculous.


The comparisons to Bush and Katrina are devastating.


The lack of criticism of Obama from the left has ACTUALLY DISCREDITED THE DEMOCRATS AND EVERYTHING THEY HAVE SAID OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS.


In the middle of all this, a Democratic Congressman loses it and assaults some college kids on the sidewalk.

The pressure is high - and building.

The Democratic Congressmen are losing it.


Anyway - It is pretty much over for the democratic party - Middle America had enough during health care.

This debacle is just icing on the cake - proving the democrats are UNFIT TO GOVERN - AND PROVING THE DEMOCRATS LIE.


The democrats actually had a chance to save themselves by criticizing Obama and MMS - and the expanded offshore drilling.


Instead, the democrats chose to destroy all their credibility.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Hello - for the DEMOCRATIC PARTY WHICH PUTS SO MUCH POWER IN GOVERNMENT - DON'T THE DEMOCRATS UNDERSTAND THAT MMS COULD HAVE DONE THE SAFETY INSPECTIONS CORRECTLY AND PREVENTED THE OIL SPILL ????

THE EXPLOSION OF THE OIL RIG WAS A FAILURE OF GOVERNMENT.


So all your talk of government this - government that - the GOVERNMENT FAILED TO REGULATE PROPERLY.


It makes no sense to give the government any more powers - especially over health care.


The FACT is this OIL SPILL IS THE BIGGEST FAILURE OF ANY ADMINISTRATION IN THE HISTORY OF THE COUNTRY - SINCE THE FAILURE TO STOP THE CIVIL WAR.


Seriously, in the past 140 years, can you name a BIGGER FAILURE OF ANY PRESIDENT - BIGGER THAN THE FAILURE OF OBAMA TO MAKE SURE THAT MMS DID THE PROPER SAFETY INSPECTIONS ?????


Experience matters - those who ignored experience when voting for President are complete idiots.


Qualifications matter - those who ignored qualification when voting for President were EXTREMELY IRRESPONSIBLE WITH THIS NATION.


Now our fellow Americans are SUFFERING - AND THEY HAVE ONLY THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TO BLAME.


What a miserable failure.

Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I've been concentrating on channeling Marie, but it's SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO hard. I feel like Sybil. So glad you're here, mm. I feel so much better now.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

From Daily Kos's highly regarded May 2010 article, "Rasmussen's (dishonest) game."

"So why take the risk of getting an actual election result wrong, this early in the cycle? There's a special election in PA-12? Who cares! Rasmussen is nowhere to be found. Just like in January, when Rasmussen -- who had polled the Massachusetts Senate special election twice earlier, decided to pull out of the race two weeks before the actual election. The day before that special, Rasmussen released a bizarre poll saying that nationally "interest high" in the race. Who gave a sh_t if there was national interest? Why wouldn't Rasmussen poll the actual race like the rest of real pollsters?

Turns out what Rasmussen wanted was to set the narrative, not actually get the results right. So it skipped the latter, and bragged about the former:....

* * * *

It's not as if Rasmussen doesn't poll primaries. In fact, it polled the Pennsylvania Senate Democratic primary two weeks ago. But again, it refused to do a pre-election poll, because doing so would no longer help set narratives, and that's all Rasmussen cares about."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/5/19/867829/-Rasmussens-%28dishonest%29-game

Nuff said.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 19, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

@all,
Are you experiencing long delays in between Submit and your post appearing? Sorry for the duplicates. Posted by: 12BarBlues

Yes.

Your friend, Marie Wilson

Posted by: margaretmeyers | June 19, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

"But Barton seemed smitten, and he apologized to BP for the president’s “shakedown” of the company for a $20 billion fund to compensate the people of the gulf for the effects of the spill. This is perhaps not the stupidest remark any elected official has ever blurted out, but possibly the dumbest that ever came in the form of a prepared statement.

Every Democrat in Washington did the happy dance. The party could not point out too often that if the Republicans took control of the House, Barton would be leader of the House energy committee."

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/19/opinion/19collins.html?hp

I'll repeat that:

if the Republicans took control of the House, Barton would be leader of the House energy committee.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | June 19, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

GOP is blocking the amount of BP has to pay out.

Folks.....just follow the money from big oil and you will see many Joe Barton's.....in the GOP....what else is new.

Same old story. Don't buy all the anti Obama spin, it just a smoke screen, troughs who buy into it need to wake up to reality.

GOP is no friend to the middle class. We not for the majority of us in the 1930's nor today.

Stop watching TV and read! There is a lot of non-political information out there to read, educational information that is not supplied by either party but thinking people who take the time to research the FACTS!

BS today is mistaken by many as facts, just have to look at the garbage you receive in emails.

Takes 30 seconds to disprove them, but I guess people really want to believe the worst, be it false information means little to them.

Posted by: pjaud | June 19, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

@broadway,

Had cut and paste trainwreck. Below response it for you.

Bwahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

12BB, I'm really just mystified with the lying. Like, what's the point. No one ever believes them. And it's not like this FOX or CNN where the lies are being disseminated.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 19, 2010 3:41 PM-----------------------------------
Bwahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If canoli is only that lucky! Maybe they don't call him canoli for nothin.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Re polling.

When a pollster asks who's going to win an election, what he really means is "who's going to win the election, if it were held today". Since the election isn't held today, we don't know whether any pollster is "accurate". How can you measure accuracy to a nonevent.

But, what you can do, is look at a scatterchart of all the polls on a certain election and see how far apart they are from each other. When you see one poll far from all others, that is normally considered an outlier, and is discounted (if you have the sense that God gave a goose).

Rasmussen OFTEN is an outlier, but not always.

Look at pollster.com for many, many, many examples of this.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

"No point in talking to cannula. He's off in his bedroom with a wet washcloth over his eyes and ... stroking his ... "poor canoli".

* * * *

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 3:40 PM"
_____________

Sorry, 12. I had some dropouts from your earlier transmission, and the above is all I got. :-)

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 19, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Only racists, mentals, and fools (we wonder how many of these categories the fake 37 fits in) blame BHO for the oil spill. I still don't follow the bagger logic, if there is any, that blames 44. BP caused it; BP should clean it up. Case closed.
________________

BTW, whatever happened to the talk of returning the Fairness Doctrine? Things are so bad, TV commentator Sara Silverman called Faux News "a 24-hours-a-day racist engine." BHO's WH cannot allow a network to air what amounts to an all-day political attack ad featuring hate broadcasting. As even BHO estimated it, the Faux News hate engine costs him at least 10 points in the approval polls.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 19, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

12BB, I'm really just mystified with the lying. Like, what's the point. No one ever believes them. And it's not like this FOX or CNN where the lies are being disseminated.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 19, 2010 3:41 PM
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This is my theory. When a person thinks his philosophy is being attacked, he can either stop and think.............or............

resort to mantras and comforting data so he doesn't have to question or adjust his philosophy.

I think the lying is to convince himself, not others.

An excellent example from the far past: when Galileo showed evidence that the earth was not the center of the universe, the RC church went ballistic. Looking back on it hundreds of years later, it is totally clear that the Church grossly overreacted. After all, did Galileo's evidence destroy the Church. Obviously not. And yet they reacted as IF their very existence was threatened.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Wrong again, fake corner.

The WashPo piece picked up on the theme "Kos" wrote about earlier: Raz routinely floats some bogus outlier poll to support a hate broadcasting/bagger anti-BHO fake narrative and to influence (not measure) public opinion. After public opinion has been changed as a result of the Raz polls and related Faux News talking points, Raz will then issue some somewhat reality-based polls.

In the view of many, Raz polls are no longer legit, good faith indicators of public opinion. Sorry to break the news, fake corner.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 19, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

12BB, I'm really just mystified with the lying. Like, what's the point. No one ever believes them. And it's not like this FOX or CNN where the lies are being disseminated.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 19, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse


The FACT is this OIL SPILL IS THE BIGGEST FAILURE OF ANY ADMINISTRATION IN THE HISTORY OF THE COUNTRY - SINCE THE FAILURE TO STOP THE CIVIL WAR.


Seriously, in the past 140 years, can you name a BIGGER FAILURE OF ANY PRESIDENT - BIGGER THAN THE FAILURE OF OBAMA TO MAKE SURE THAT MMS DID THE PROPER SAFETY INSPECTIONS ?????


Experience matters - those who ignored experience when voting for President are complete idiots.


Qualifications matter - those who ignored qualification when voting for President were EXTREMELY IRRESPONSIBLE WITH THIS NATION.


Now our fellow Americans are SUFFERING - AND THEY HAVE ONLY THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TO BLAME.


What a miserable failure.

.

Obama should resign.

This is the biggest environmental disaster in AMERICAN HISTORY -


IT IS UNPRECENDENTED

And Obama is to blame.

and Obama has not resigned yet ???? How much more does this nation have to suffer under Obama's inexperience and lack of qualifications???

WHAT ELSE HAS TO HAPPEN BEFORE OBAMA RESIGNS ????

ISN'T THIS DISASTER ENOUGH ????


IT IS UNPRECEDENTED.

OBAMA ALWAYS WANTED THINGS TO BE UNPRECEDENTED.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

No point in talking to cannula. He's off in his bedroom with a wet washcloth over his eyes and his wife stroking his hand "poor canoli".

He just CAN'T get anyone to argue

his points,
his articles,
his citations,

just the way he wants to argue.

You wouldn't think that anyone could actually reach adulthood and still believe that he can FORCE people to engage with him, on his terms.

Alas, life is harder on some than others.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

37th,

Who says I'm not?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Cannula and 37thetc.

I'm more than willing to call you two different people. Others may not be so gracious, but I am. [curtsey to clamorous applause from my peeps]

I'm all about Christian humility.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Cannula


That is perhaps why it is better to focus in on the SAFETY INSPECTIONS WHICH MMS WAS SUPPOSED TO DO - because they should have been done between Oct 2009 and April 2010

Also Obama was doing A YEAR LONG REVIEW OF OFFSHORE OIL RIG DRILLING -


So if Obama was reviewing offshore drilling, he had to be looking at SAFETY AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL REPORTS.

Seriously, this is not an obscure agency - it is an agency which has been on the front page of the Washington Post for years.

Clearly OBAMA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE EXPLOSION AND THE OIL SPILL.


The democrats do NOT want responsibility for ANYTHING - THEY ALWAYS HAVE AN EXCUSE.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse


DDAWD


The democrats don't want to hold Obama RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING - including everything that happens until the day he leaves office.

Sort of like the democrats don't want to blame the blacks for any inner city violence.

38 Shootings this week in Chicago alone.


It isn't their fault, right ?


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

@ddawd and leichtman,

Cannula and 37thetc. are in the 7% that blame the feds for the spill. Let's be fair, now, according to this theory's supporters, "it's the MMS who is at fault and, by extension, the WH, because the MMS issued a permit 3 weeks after the inauguration".

That's two people. Assuming, of course, that they are two DIFFERENT people, which some here claim is in dispute.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

cannedtuna, Rasmussen was totally discredited in an article published last week by Fix's employer, the Washington Post. Sorry to break the news. All the best.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 19, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

12bar


Where do you get these numbers from ?


ONLY 58% blame BP for the oil spill ???


100% should blame BP


But Obama deserves the blame too - because of the lack of proper MMS safety inspections and the environmental impact study waivers

That should be 90% blaming Obama


I have no idea whose these people are who you are surveying -

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

The archdeacon of GOPdom, Charles Krauthammer talking about Joe Barton's apology to BP:

"I think that wins the award for the most politically stupid statement of the year. We can retire it right now, in June."

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/06/18/krauthammer_barton_made_the_most_politically_stupid_statement_of_year.html

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Cannula, you're barking up the wrong tree. I pay attention to the news. Unless it's something like an exec order, I'm not holding Obama accountable for anything that happened within a few weeks of his Presidency. Especially not for the workings of an agency as damaged as MMS.

And if you're going to post polls, you may as well just post the RCP composite. Posting the averages is just counterproductive to your point that the universe hates Obama. Rasmussen is poll-non-grata. Fabrication is looked down upon. Obama at +0 given a year and a half of this economy and having a Rasmussen poll factored into it is pretty good for the Prez. You people might want to rethink your strategies.

Incidentally, how has the Tea Party been polling in the last few months?

Posted by: DDAWD | June 19, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

cannula I posted last week that MMMS needed to be innvestigated for possible criminal negligence . Wa it the Dick Cheney oil culture of corruption or Salazar's fault? Let the chips fall where they might
But the bottom line was that this was all about BP negligence precsely like their Texa City explosion that was never rectified.
Blame the culture of corruption at BP
In any event this thread is about the idiotic claims by the GOP so stick with the topic
And the right refuses to answer my querry.
Would the fishermen and Gulf Coast merchants complain and
call Obama's obtaining $20 bln an illegal shakedown of poor picked on BP? And your response about this topic?

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 19, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

The FACT is this OIL SPILL IS THE BIGGEST FAILURE OF ANY ADMINISTRATION IN THE HISTORY OF THE COUNTRY - SINCE THE FAILURE TO STOP THE CIVIL WAR.

Seriously, in the past 140 years, can you name a BIGGER FAILURE OF ANY PRESIDENT - BIGGER THAN THE FAILURE OF OBAMA TO MAKE SURE THAT MMS DID THE PROPER SAFETY INSPECTIONS ?????

Experience matters - those who ignored experience when voting for President are complete idiots.

Qualifications matter - those who ignored qualification when voting for President were EXTREMELY IRRESPONSIBLE WITH THIS NATION.

Now our fellow Americans are SUFFERING - AND THEY HAVE ONLY THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TO BLAME.

What a miserable failure.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

I think canoli takes all this way too seriously.

Now, for the fun...

Marie! Marie Wilson! Wheeeeeeeeeeeere are you?

Your muse is on thither blogboard, ALLCAPPing his siren song.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

12BAR


Which personality of yours are we talking to today ???

Have you come up with any additional alter-egos ?

Any other names ???


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

12Bar


Just because you have an opinion survey, that doesn't mean that is the truth


If the question is BP or the government - then of course its BP

However OBAMA IS RESPONSIBLE TOO.

More than one entitiy can be responsible.

AND BP doesnt have to worry about elections.


OBAMA IS DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE EXPLOSION AND THE OIL SPILL.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Typical Zombie response to a direct accusation below- well bye guys- I'm leaving convinced that when presented with anti Obama fact you all become silly;and with RCP showing half the country agrees with me...I'm hopeful for our future- the Emperor has No Clothes- if we could only find a replacement that does!

But as I always say- An empty suit in 2012 will be a welcome relief from an Oily suit.

Who is second in seniority to Joe Barton on the Energy Committee? Think this guy is getting a $500 haircut, his nails done, a new picture taken, and his shoes shined? And practicing his "Well, I didn't support Joe Barton's apology to BP, Mr. Boehner, and I told him so."

Posted by: 12BarBlues

Posted by: thecannula | June 19, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

you call me a radical@! You have your heads so far up Axelrod's sigmoid colon that you don't know how to think until his mustache quivers.

Posted by: thecannula | June 19, 2010 2:46 PM
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Quite wrong.

1) We don't call you anything. We don't call you.

2) Take your blood pressure. Just a friendly suggestion. This is not the Nuremberg trials.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Who is second in seniority to Joe Barton on the Energy Committee? Think this guy is getting a $500 haircut, his nails done, a new picture taken, and his shoes shined? And practicing his "Well, I didn't support Joe Barton's apology to BP, Mr. Boehner, and I told him so."

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I give you zombies 3 citations from ABC, Reuters, and WAPO (taken from Wikipedia Timeline of the Deepwater Horizon Spill article) that show that you have no idea when this happened and who was in charge and you call me a radical@! You have your heads so far up Axelrod's sigmoid colon that you don't know how to think until his mustache quivers.

Posted by: thecannula | June 19, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Apparently the GOP leaders warned their of the Energy and Commerce Committee NOT to give the Democrats a Youtube moment where it appeared that the Republicans were on BP's side. They WARNED them.

But, Joe Barton did it anyway.

That's why they came down on him like a ton of bricks.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Date Sample Approve Disapprove Spread
RCP Average 6/3 - 6/18 -- 47.9 47.9 Tie
Gallup 6/16 - 6/18 1547 A 45 46 -1
Rasmussen Reports 6/16 - 6/18 1500 LV 42 57 -15
CNN/OpinionResearch 6/16 - 6/16 534 A 50 48 +2
Ipsos/McClatchy 6/10 - 6/13 1071 A 50 45 +5

Lowbar- Oops what's that great sucking sound I hear- losing approval is BHO? I wonder if it's over his pro Hamas policy or what?

Posted by: thecannula | June 19, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

We get it, canoli, you blame the MMS for the oil gusher. Now if you could just clone yourself 300 million times, you'd have something.

58% of Americans blame BP for the spill
7% blame the government

So, you're in the 7%. And your point is...?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Cannula, you're barking up the wrong tree. Gotta talk to someone who doesn't follow politics or the news.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 19, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

BP lied and lied and lied.

You can't reason with a rigtwing nut, dawd, don't waste your time. They have their minds made up that obama is the anti-christ and everythijng that goes wrong is a result of evil magic.

And yes, the gop could care less about busness. But big multi-national corporations whose interests do not coincide with American interests, those they worship for their mighty dollar.

Posted by: drindl | June 19, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD- a smart graduate student like you would I agree with me I'm sure - after you apologize about being wrong about 2/09- that Obama should have the gov. rewrite the difficult BP applications are assistance, which require National Guard help- so we can free the Guard to actually help clean he beaches....right?

Posted by: thecannula | June 19, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

^ a b Burdeau, Cain; Mohr, Holbrook (2010-04-30). "Document: BP didn't plan for major oil spill". ABC News. Associated Press. Retrieved 2010-04-30.
^ Eilperin, Juliet (2010-05-05). "U.S. exempted BP's Gulf of Mexico drilling from environmental impact study". The Washington Post (The Washington Post Company). Retrieved 2010-05-16.
^ Jones, Jeffrey; Mason, Jeff. "RPT-BP's US Gulf project exempted from enviro analysis". Reuters. Retrieved 2010-05-16.

Posted by: thecannula | June 19, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

2009
February - BP files a 52 page exploration and environmental impact plan for the Macondo well with the MMS. The plan stated that it was "unlikely that an accidental surface or subsurface oil spill would occur from the proposed activities".[7] In the event an accident did take place the plan stated that due to the well being 48 miles (77 km) from shore and the response capabilities that would be implemented, no significant adverse impacts would be expected.[7] The Department of the Interior exempted BP's Gulf of Mexico drilling operation from a detailed environmental impact study after concluding that a massive oil spill was unlikely.[8][9]

Posted by: thecannula | June 19, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

2009
February - BP files a 52 page exploration and environmental impact plan for the Macondo well with the MMS. The plan stated that it was "unlikely that an accidental surface or subsurface oil spill would occur from the proposed activities".[7] In the event an accident did take place the plan stated that due to the well being 48 miles (77 km) from shore and the response capabilities that would be implemented, no significant adverse impacts would be expected.[7] The Department of the Interior exempted BP's Gulf of Mexico drilling operation from a detailed environmental impact study after concluding that a massive oil spill was unlikely.[8][9]

Posted by: thecannula | June 19, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Why don't you just tell the GC fishermen the license was granted in Feb of 2010? We're dispensing with honesty here, right? I'm not saying you can't convince people that Obama is responsible for something that happened a couple of weeks into his Presidency, but if you're going to lie, why don't you say something like "ACORN blew up the rig"?

Go for the gusto, dude!

Posted by: DDAWD | June 19, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

"There are hundreds of thousands of small businesses along the gulf coast - fishing boats, bed & breakfasts, restaurants, hotels and so on - that stand to be wiped out by this disaster. The GOP thumbs their nose at them. Lowbar

I'm not so sure but there is no doubt-

THE DEMOCRATS DID THIS TO THEM

Posted by: thecannula | June 19, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

@all,

Are you experiencing long delays in between Submit and your post appearing? Sorry for the duplicates.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Larry Kudlow might be a pro-business Republican, but it's limited to BIG business.

"There are hundreds of thousands of small businesses along the gulf coast - fishing boats, bed & breakfasts, restaurants, hotels and so on - that stand to be wiped out by this disaster. The GOP thumbs their nose at them.

These are businesses that pay their taxes because they are too small to hide their profits in shady banks in foreign countries. These are businesses that obey the law because they can't afford the fines that result from not obeying it. But the GOP can't be bothered to care about them because these businesses also don't contribute huge amounts of money to Republican campaigns. The GOP's pro-business stand is really a pro-campaign contribution stand."

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Kudlow is a corporate wh*re too, no surprise there.

Posted by: drindl | June 19, 2010 1:19 PM
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He might be for business, but he's only for big business, it appears.

"There are hundreds of thousands of small businesses along the gulf coast - fishing boats, bed & breakfasts, restaurants, hotels and so on - that stand to be wiped out by this disaster. The GOP thumbs their nose at them.

These are businesses that pay their taxes because they are too small to hide their profits in shady banks in foreign countries. These are businesses that obey the law because they can't afford the fines that result from not obeying it. But the GOP can't be bothered to care about them because these businesses also don't contribute huge amounts of money to Republican campaigns. The GOP's pro-business stand is really a pro-campaign contribution stand."

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I would love to hear your answer
??????????
would love to ask the Gulf Coast fishermen
and merchants if they agree that the $20 bln
was an illegal shakedown.- leichtman1

***********

Good point. Now I would love to ask Gulf Coat fishermen and merchants if they agree that an environmental impact study should have been done by Obama's MMS- which was still in transition- its Bush appointed leader having been removed-before BP was granted a license for the well that's changing their lives forever.

Posted by: thecannula | June 19, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and lowbar- Can you guess what all the vomit the teen threw up all over our House is in the analogy?

Posted by: thecannula | June 19, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

"You have your bomb throwers in your party, but people with prominent leadership positions want to avoid the most controversial and most explosive statements," said Julian Zelizer, professor of history and public affairs at Princeton University. "With Barton, he crossed the line."

Now, some of the oil fund's harshest critics are walking back their rhetoric.

Earlier this week, Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann, known for her edgy remarks, called the fund "more of a redistribution of wealth fund." By Friday, her spokesman said Bachmann still had concerns about its being used appropriately but that she supported the fund.

That's a sign that attacks on the $20 billion account might now be untenable, experts said. James Riddlesperger, a political scientist at Texas Christian University, said the "shakedown" comment was "really more controversial because it essentially accuses President Obama of unsavory activities."

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/politics/national/stories/061910dntexbartonescrow.1fc6cdc.html
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Now, if the GOP establishment can get a rag stuffed into everyone else's mouth.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Trust, but verify. 12Bar

The analogy Lowbar -is the parent-teen analogy as large as BP is, this is OUR house and we're larger- so we need to approve their license and do impact studies right? Well Obama was still pulling the confetti out of his tux when his MMS doomed us all- yes HIS MMS-

Parent is to teen as Government regulating agency is to profit motivated multinational oil company......geez

Posted by: thecannula | June 19, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Some interesting backstory about Joe Barton:

"Even if Barton holds on to his post on the energy committee for now, yesterday's comments may have consequences in the next congressional session.

Republicans limit the time a member can hold a top committee seat to three terms. Barton, who was chair of the committee from 2004 to 2006 and ranking member for four years after that, will have completed that three-term limit at the close of this Congress.

Barton has said that if Republicans win the majority in the House this fall, he should be allowed to stay on as chairman of the committee. To do that, he would need to receive a waiver from the term limits, something that would come only with the blessing from top Republicans, especially GOP leader Boehner."

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/politics/state/stories/DN-barton_19tex.ART.State.Edition1.29496ee.html

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

BP books revenues of about 265 billion dollars per year, has more than 80,000 employees and was founded in 1889.

When we start equating one of the largest, well capitalized, profitable, spinning off dividends of almost 5% per year, and VERY well established companies in an industry asto a "teen breaking into his parents' liqour cabinet", we have set the bar pretty damn low.

We should expect from BP, the highest standards in the industry, not the lowest. Some startup wildcatter can be expected to cut corners, but it's totally unacceptable for BP.

That doesn't in any way indicate that BP should not be regulated and inspected. Reagan had it right: Trust, but verify.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

I see 'Brigade' has finally stopped even pretending not to be zouk... his obssession with me -- and I wasn't even on the board all day -- is so extreme he can't stop his green puke from spewing onto the screen. And the projection -- wow. His shrink must be writing a book... several volumes.

==

He can't pull it off, he's given himself away many times.  Sneering about air conditioned gyms, the use of "commie," the homophobia goads.  It's zouk, when was there any doubt?  Very first day he showed up he was attacking you, might even have been his first post, he certainly wasn't new and the list of people he had to be drawn from is very small.  It's zouk.  Just another one, no surprise there.

But wow the guy is seriously sick.  I mean major, a danger to himself and others.  And since it appears every one of his attacks is a turnaround projection, I wouldn't want him around small children.  He's probably a pederast.

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Posted by: Noacoler | June 19, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Sen. Roger Wicker (R-MS) gave the GOP weekly address. Nary a word came out of his mouth about Joe Barton or the "poor BP...go to court and FIGHT for your right, poor baby" story. In fact, he does mention the escrow account but to say "it is needed to clean up the effects of the spill".

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

God giveth and God taketh away.

God giveth Joe Barton and his launching of the POOR BP...go to court and FIGHT for your rights, poor baby" meme.

God giveth the Democrats a campaign issue which was totally unexpected, sort of on the order of the parting of the Red Sea.

God taketh away the Republicans natural advantage in the midterms.

Praise be to God.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Kudlow is a corporate wh*re too, no surprise there.

Posted by: drindl | June 19, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I see 'Brigade' has finally stopped even pretending not to be zouk... his obssession with me -- and I wasn't even on the board all day -- is so extreme he can't stop his green puke from spewing onto the screen. And the projection -- wow. His shrink must be writing a book... several volumes.


"Drindl has finally slipped all the way from wingerism into full blown psychosis.
Her trail of slime posts indicate that she was here until midnight last night and then back again early this morning for another all-day spamming session---and all the while complaining about how much time OTHERS spend here.

In her fevered dreams, I send one of the pod people to my job each and every day while I lurk here in the background, posting under many different imaginary monikers and continually monitoring her activities (she wishes), probably via a webcam she keeps trained on her person in a desperate quest for attention. She is what Noacoler would call "heavily invested"---like 16 to 18 hours per day---but still prefers to project her maladjustment on others rather than facing it head on and seeking help. More potty breaks in place of a once-a-day diaper change would be less gross.

Posted by: Brigade

Posted by: drindl | June 19, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Add Larry Kudlow to the poor BP bunch:

"Another problem with Obama's address was his arrogant announcement that he would inform BP's CEO "that he is to set aside" an asset amount ($20 billion) for the government-run escrow fund to pay for the spill damages. Trouble is, there are no laws to permit our government to force such financial retribution. Not even a new TARP -- at least, not yet. Did someone say nationalization?

The government has no right to interfering with the financial decisions of a private, shareholder-owned corporation. This sounds like GM and Chrysler all over again. Or maybe health insurers, pharmaceuticals, private investment funds and multinational corporations. And it could end up having a serious and chilling effect on corporate investment."

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/06/19/bp_the_white_house_and_congress_are_all_dirty_106023.html

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

The way the way this disaster is fixed and paid for is obviously a matter a great controversy and much discussion-

The fault for starting it lands squarely in the lap of whoever ran the MMS in Feb. 2009, when the license was granted- unfortunately for Democrats, there is no getting around the fact that that was Barack Obama.

I know you say it was BP's fault- true in the same way that it's a teen's fault when his parent allows him to throw a party, doesn't lock up the liquor cabinet, and comes home to find vomit everywhere.

Posted by: thecannula | June 19, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

dawd, I think CC must secretly like 37 and zouk too, maybe agrees with them -- otherwise why would he let them destroy this board with spamming?

margaret said she had a post removed yesterday -- I was out on my yacht all day, [you know everyone on line has one] so I did not see it, but it was very mild and the inflammatory stuff he lets those two get away, the racism and the homophobia and misogyny-- you can only conclude he doesn't mind.

Posted by: drindl | June 19, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Add Larry to the Poor BP bunch:

"Another problem with Obama's address was his arrogant announcement that he would inform BP's CEO "that he is to set aside" an asset amount ($20 billion) for the government-run escrow fund to pay for the spill damages. Trouble is, there are no laws to permit our government to force such financial retribution. Not even a new TARP -- at least, not yet. Did someone say nationalization?

The government has no right to interfering with the financial decisions of a private, shareholder-owned corporation. This sounds like GM and Chrysler all over again. Or maybe health insurers, pharmaceuticals, private investment funds and multinational corporations. And it could end up having a serious and chilling effect on corporate investment."

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/06/19/bp_the_white_house_and_congress_are_all_dirty_106023.html

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

heh, 37th's racist invective isn't enough for Chris to ban him. I wonder if flooding the board with support for BP is enough to do so.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 19, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

New motto of the GOP establishment of Boehner, Cantor and Pence:

"There go my people. I must find out where they are going so I can lead them."

Alexandre Auguste Ledru-Rollin

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Joe Barton simply threw the match into the haystack. As they say, Joe "resonated" with the prevailing mood in the GOP base.

The Tea Party movement was conceived when Rick Santelli shouted "How many of you people want to pay for your neighbor's mortgage that has an extra bathroom and can't pay their bills?".

The next phase in the GOP schism perhaps was Joe Wilson's "you lie" to the President.

Now, we have the next Joe, Barton, who calls the BP escrow a shakedown, broadly hinting at mobster behaviour.

It's way beyond Joe Barton. The GOP is drawing the battlelines, even if the generals of the party aren't on board with the battleplan. The GOP Big 3 have lost control of the message.

Trouble ahead, folks.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I would love to ask the Gulf Coast fishermen
and merchants if they agree that the $20 bln
was an illegal shakedown.- leichtman1

***********

Good point. Now I would love to ask Gulf Coat fishermen and merchants if they agree that an environmental impact study should have been done by Obama's MMS- which was still in transition- its Bush appointed leader having been removed-before BP was granted a license for the well that's changing their lives forever.

Posted by: thecannula | June 19, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

12BAR


THE ONLY THING IT IS TOO LATE FOR is for Obama to get his people at MMS to do the safety inspections correctly.

Then the explosion would have never happened.


You people are absolutely insane.

This explosion WAS THE DIRECT RESULT OF OBAMA'S INCOMPENTENCE AND FAILURE TO MAKE SURE SAFETY INSPECTIONS WERE CONDUCTED PROPERLY

AND Obama was doing a year-long review of offshore drilling.


The position of the democrats is a complete joke.

Chris Cillizza put this article on there to draw you all out - to see if you could judge the severity of OBAMA'S ACTIONS VERSIS ONE STUPID COMMENT.

I guess you all failed the test.

Obama has a failed Presidency.

Obama is worse than Jimmy Carter, not worse than James Buchanan, but close.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

IF OBAMA WASN'T INCOMPETENT - AND IF OBAMA HAD MADE SURE MMS DID THE SAFETY INSPECTIONS CORRECTLY,


The explosion would have never happened and there wouldn't be a need for a fund.


Seriously - the democrats are showing their TRUE COLORS HERE - ignoring Obama's incompetence on the MMS safety inspections, and instead trying to make an issue of this statement.


Obama's actions LED DIRECTLY TO THE EXPLOSION.

11 DEAD, HUNDREDS OF BIRDS DEAD.

The democrats are unfit to govern - it is that simple.

THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE SHOULD START RUNNING COMMERCIALS BLAMING OBAMA FOR THE OIL SPILL.

BECAUSE IT IS OBAMA'S RESPONSIBILITY.

AND mentioning Katrina - the democrats went after Bush in a few days.

We are eight weeks into this, and Obama is still showing a complete lack of leadership.

The democrats should BE ASHAMED THEY VOTED FOR OBAMA


AND FROM THE SILENCE OF THE DEMS - THEY ARE ASHAMED.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

The GOP Big 3 (Boehner, Cantor & Pence) made a valiant effort to stuff the genie back in the bottle when they got Joe Barton to stuff his apology back into his mouth. But it's too late.

Joe just said what the Republican base was thinking. It's all over the internet. Go to any right wing blog and read the comments, one after another, defending Joe and his apology. Further, the commenters are now turning on the GOP Big 3 to threaten then with their jobs if they "don't shut up about Joe".

Then you have the megaphoners, Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin et al, who are fully on the "let's protect poor BP from the evil socialist federal government". Don't believe it? Tune into any of their shows.

If that isn't enough, then you have the Bachmann, Tom Price and his 115 member Republican Study Commission, candidate Rand Paul, and former congressman Dick Armey on the bandwagon, chanting "poor BP". "Go to court, poor baby".

This is WAY past Joe Barton. It's.viral.now.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 19, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

leichtman


AND you insist on beind deceptive.


The statement was retracted -


The Republican Congressional leaders were agaist the statement from the beginning.

And yet you insist.

I guess SENATOR ROBERT BYRD'S KKK MEMBERSHIP IS REPRESENTATIVE OF ALL DEMOCRATS

INCLUDING YOU.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse


The FAR MORE SERIOUS issue is WHY DID OBAMA ALLOW MMS TO HAVE FAULTY SAFETY INSPECTIONS OF OIL RIGS ???


The truth of this situation is OBAMA WAS IN CHARGE OF MMS - AND OBAMA WAS RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE SAFETY INSPECTIONS ON THE OIL RIGS.


AFTER OBAMA TOOK SO MUCH MONEY FROM THE OIL COMPANIES, THESE SAFETY INSPECTIONS WERE NOT CONDUCTED PROPERLY


Obama's incompetence LED DIRECTLY TO THE EXPLOSION AND THE OIL SPILL.


This is is FAR MORE SERIOUS THAN ANYTHING BARTON SAID.


So, time to drop it - and CONCENTRATE ON OBAMA'S INCOMPETENCE.


OBAMA SHOULD RESIGN OVER THIS.


11 PEOPLE DIED - AND HUNDREDS OF BIRDS.

OBAMA REALLY SHOULD RESIGN OVER THIS - OBAMA WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SAFETY INSPECTIONS


AND THERE WAS AN EXPLOSION.

Pretty clear, Obama should resign over this.

The democrats are saying Barton should resign his post.


But they NEVER SAY OBAMA SHOULD RESIGN.


OBAMA SHOULD TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT HE DID - AND OBAMA SHOULD RESIGN.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

I would love to ask the Gulf Coast fishermen
and merchants if they agree that the $20 bln
was an illegal shakedown.

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 19, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

The Republican party doesn't have a leader. So, statements of the loudest mouths out there can be taken as representative. Barton's true sin was stating what they all think.

I'll happily add 37th to that crew. Silly me. I thought that was a BP well.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | June 19, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

deceptive? GOP members Rand, Price, Bachman,Newt, Dick Armey,Angel, Ingram, Limbaugh, Palin never made those statements ?maybe we sahould link their videos.


This is what was reported on Bloomberg just yesterday:

"Other fiscally conservative Republicans have criticized the BP agreement with the Obama administration. And Kentucky Republican Senate candidate Rand Paul today expressed sympathies for Barton in an interview with a radio station.

“I have never liked the tone of the president when he said things or his administration says things like he is going to put the boot on the throat of BP,” he said on Lexington, Kentucky- based WVLK-AM.

Georgia Republican Representative Tom Price, in a statement yesterday, said Obama’s insistence on creating an escrow fund was an example of his administration “exerting its brand of Chicago-style shakedown politics.”

Representative Michele Bachmann, a Minnesota Republican, criticized the idea of an escrow fund as a “redistribution-of- wealth” fund at a Heritage Foundation forum this week.

Former Representative Dick Armey of Texas, a Republican and a leading funder of the Tea Party movement, said at a meeting this week with reporters that Obama lacked the constitutional authority to set up such a fund."

so these folks no longer speak for the GOP? tell them that.

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 19, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

This Barton thing isn't even an issue

The FAR MORE SERIOUS issue is WHY DID OBAMA ALLOW MMS TO HAVE FAULTY SAFETY INSPECTIONS OF OIL RIGS ???

The truth of this situation is OBAMA WAS IN CHARGE OF MMS - AND OBAMA WAS RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE SAFETY INSPECTIONS ON THE OIL RIGS.


AFTER TAKING SO MUCH MONEY FROM THE OIL COMPANIES, THESE SAFETY INSPECTIONS WERE NOT CONDUCTED PROPERLY

Obama's incompetence LED DIRECTLY TO THE EXPLOSION AND THE OIL SPILL.

This is is FAR MORE SERIOUS THAN ANYTHING BARTON SAID.


So, time to drop it - and CONCENTRATE ON OBAMA'S INCOMPETENCE.


OBAMA SHOULD RESIGN OVER THIS.


11 PEOPLE DIED - AND HUNDREDS OF BIRDS.


OBAMA REALLY SHOULD RESIGN OVER THIS - OBAMA WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SAFETY INSPECTIONS

AND THERE WAS AN EXPLOSION.


Pretty clear, Obama should resign over this.


The democrats are saying Barton should resign his post.

But they NEVER SAY OBAMA SHOULD RESIGN.

OBAMA SHOULD TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT HE DID - AND OBAMA SHOULD RESIGN.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse


Obama, Barack (D) $973,051


This is how much money went from the oil companies to Obama's Senate campaign account.

Additional money went to Obama's Presidential campaign accounts.


SO IS THERE ANY QUESTION WHY THE SAFETY INSPECTIONS WERE NOT DONE CORRECTLY BY MMS UNDER OBAMA ??

AND Obama came out in favor of EXPANDED OFFSHORE DRILLING just 3 months ago.

If anyone wants to complain about Barton cozying up to the oil industry, OBAMA IS WAY UP THERE ON THE LIST ALONG WITH BARTON.

AND Obama took that money in just 4 years - while Barton took his money over 20 years.

BIG BIG DIFFERENCE.

Obama was taking in money from the oil companies AT A FASTER RATE THAN BARTON IN THE LAST 5 YEARS.

The truth IS NOT SO PRETTY FOR OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATS.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Feiburg (sp?) handling of the 9/11 funds was beyond reproach claim everyone R and D that know him.

Again its interesting that the GOP now insists that the federal courts and tort lawyers be involved. And if that should delay
the distribution of money to the Gulf Coast they will be the first ones complaining.

Again had Obama left his Wed meeting and
announced that BP has agreed tpo pay nothing and on advise of the GOP they will wait and let federal court determine their liability,
the vitriol would be flowing here today. Can't win with these folks.

$20 bln is a B.F.D. and they just can't stand that Obama was able to obtain that for the folks of the Gulf Coast. Again I have yet to hear 1 fisherman or gulf coast merchant complain and say they are unhappy with the $20 bln and would prefer a 5 year federal judicial process.

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 19, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Leichtman


I really do not want to say that you are being deceptive - however you know perfectly well that the GOP does not support that.

And the individuals you mention - I don't believe they have ALL made statements supporting Barton's statement - WHILE THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL LEADERSHIP HAS SAID THEY DO NOT SUPPORT THE STATEMENT.

AND you know perfectly well that BARTON RETRACTED THE STATEMENT.


So, the statement was taken back.

And yet, you insist that it wasn't taken back - AND HAS BEEN ADOPTED BY EVERYONE.

That is simple not true.

The truth of this situation is OBAMA WAS IN CHARGE OF MMS - AND OBAMA WAS RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE SAFETY INSPECTIONS ON THE OIL RIGS.

AFTER TAKING SO MUCH MONEY FROM THE OIL COMPANIES, THESE SAFETY INSPECTIONS WERE NOT CONDUCTED PROPERLY


Obama's incompetence LED DIRECTLY TO THE EXPLOSION AND THE OIL SPILL.


This is is FAR MORE SERIOUS THAN ANYTHING BARTON SAID.

So, time to drop it - and CONCENTRATE ON OBAMA'S INCOMPETENCE.

OBAMA SHOULD RESIGN OVER THIS.


11 PEOPLE DIED - AND HUNDREDS OF BIRDS.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

I agree that Barton's apology to BP was appalling!

Now can we all agree that Obama's MMS allowed BP a license in Feb 2009 without an environmental impact study; that it was too soon into their tenure to do so; and that Obama owes ALL of us apology for their mistake.

Posted by: thecannula | June 19, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

We are talking about environmental liability here -


Whether people like it or not, executive branch agencies on the federal and state level have been ordering private companies and individuals to spend money - without going to court first.

It is the way the system is working now.

The fisherman should be paid - and without going through a crazy court process -

The state and local authorities have to be careful about billing the escrow account for their expenses - that has the potential for abuse.

The escrow account should not be abused.

Clearly, BP is happy to create the escrow - because NOW BP POTENTIALLY can complain that the funds have not been distributed properly - and they may get some traction on that one in the near future.

This process is a mess.


But clearly BP is at fault.

If BP did not do something to show that these claims were getting paid, the company risked a seizure by a Judge.

I would recommend that these issues be addressed - AND the Obama people bring the BP escrow agreed TO A JUDGE FOR APPROVAL.

In other words - I suggest that the federal government SUE BP FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL LIABILITY -


The escrow agreement can be established as an interim agreement between the parties - AND that agreement GOES BEFORE A JUDGE FOR APPROVAL.

YES - there should be a judge involved - because the potential for abuse of executive power is just too great.


IF THIS WENT BEFORE A JUDGE - SOME STATEMENT, ADMISSION OR AGREEMENT - CONCERNING BP'S ENVIRONMENTAL LIABILITY WOULD HAVE TO BE ESTABLISHED AS A LEGAL MATTER.

That should not be too difficult.

But there is an ENVIRONMENTAL LIABILITY which is the basis for the escrow fund.

So that is where I stand on these issues.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

let me get this straight 37th:

Dick Armey, Newt Gingrich, Michelle Bachman,
Rand Paul, Sharon Angel, Sarah Pslin,Hailey Barbour and Rush Limbaugh are no longer Rs?

these folks have continued to support Barton's statement and have gone further
and claimed that it is UnAmerican to
criticize BP. They can run but they can' hide since all of the above REPUBLICAN outrageous statements were clearly captured on video yesterday.

So the GOP now supports unrestricted protracted federal tort litigation. Interesting.

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 19, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Leichtman


You list 7 things - and yet your premise is wrong - The GOP did NOT take that position.


One person said something stupid.

AND yet that statement is projected onto the entire party.


IN FACT, everyone knows that the Republican party leaders came down hard on Barton - hardly the stuff of a party agreeing with him.


So why are the democrats EVEN TRYING TO BRING THIS DISCUSSION IN THIS DIRECTION?

It is a deception.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

To talk about Joe Barton

Joe Barton has retracted those statements.


AND the party leadership has MADE CLEAR that those statements ARE NOT the position of the Republican Party.

So here we are again - a manufactured issue by the democrats - because this was NEVER the position of the Republicans as a whole.


Just one guy said something stupid - and all the democrats want to find that as an excuse to HATE HALF THE COUNTRY.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Barton's comments were poorly timed? Surely you jest, they were idiotic and insensitive
to the folks of the Gulf Coast who you might notice seem pleased by the $20 bln.

Let me get this straight. The GOP is now for:

1. Endless protracted LITIGATION(that is what Newt and Armey proposed yesterday);
2. Federal TortLitigation and Atty Contingency Fees for all of the BP claims;
3. Being quite comfortable had Obama come out of his meeting and announced that BP has
agreed to pay nothing into escrow and that
Hayward agrees with the GOP that before
BP was to pay anything that claimants must
litigate their claims in federal court;
4. that the GOP no longer opposes tort claims;
5. A promise by the GOP that if they should win control of the House that ALL Congressional hearings into BP's misconduct
will immediately come to an end and more apologies issued; and
6. That the GOP now wants Barton to be selected to Chair the Energy Committee.
7. that the GOP would have been just fine had
BP declared bankruptcy and paid nothing to the Gulf Coast victims.

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 19, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

not sure why you addressed that question to me 37th?

Personally I am for a cease fire here with ALL
of the idiotic name calling and mysterious
name changes ended and if it continues that CC removing that poster for 72 hrs on the first violation. Its a waste of time and energy as are your nonsensical an repeitive posts about race and he must resign. Enough already lets TRY and be civil here. As the saying goes life is too short. By the way I agree totally with your post about Hillary and why she needs to remain as SOS and how Michelle(and his supporters) opposed her being on the ticket. I was really p.o. about that but it has worked out for the best. SOS is perfect for her; except her not being POTUS.

OK can one of the opposition(no name calling) here PLEASE tell me what the GOP would be saying this week had Joe Barton been a D or we had heard those words of apology to BP from a D Congressman? See I was civil and hope that can be the new norm here.

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 19, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Democrats will continue to use Barton's comments to take the heat off the administrations mismanagement of the oil spill.

Barton's comments were badly timed. It was obvious to me that, although he agreed that BP should take responsibility, including all costs, he was embarrassed by the televised grandstanding of the interrogators. Since BP had already agreed to pay all costs and had agreed to hold money in escrow for the loss of income for the Gulf citizens, what was the purpose of the hearing other than to demonize BP and show the voters that they were indeed concerned. Politics as usual.

Barton is right. We have a legal process.
Using Chicago-type muscle rhetoric is embarrassing.

Posted by: bethg1841 | June 19, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse


broadwayjoe


You constantly PROVE why the democratic party is NOT ready to have a black President.


You are obsessed with hate and racial divisions.


This is no way to govern a nation of 300 million people -

When the democrats attack people based on race, and constantly seek out racial issues, they PROVE that the democrats can not handle having a black President.

The issues that are important to the nation are jobs, reducing spending, and reducing Obama's trillion dollar deficit, NOT trying to provoke a racially divisive discussion at every chance - and the slurs used by the democrats demostrate this.


EVERY TIME BROADWAYJOE USES A SLUR TO REFER TO THE TEA PARY, BROADWAYJOE PROVES THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS NOT READY FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT.


The democrats are the ones who refuse to put racial politics and racially divisive issues behind them.


IT REALLY IS SAD.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

broadwayjoe


You constantly PROVE why the democratic party is NOT ready to have a black President.


You are obsessed with hate and racial divisions.

This is no way to govern a nation of 300 million people -


When the democrats attack people based on race, and constantly seek out racial issues, they PROVE that the democrats can not handle having a black President.


The issues that are important to the nation are jobs, reducing spending, and reducing Obama's trillion dollar deficit, NOT trying to provoke a racially divisive discussion at every chance - and the slurs used by the democrats demostrate this.

EVERY TIME BROADWAYJOE USES A SLUR TO REFER TO THE TEA PARY, BROADWAYJOE PROVES THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS NOT READY FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT.

The democrats are the ones who refuse to put racial politics and racially divisive issues behind them.

IT REALLY IS SAD.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

broadwayjoe - your comment at 9;17


THIS COMMENT IS A LIE

Rand Paul did not say that -

YOUR COMMENT PROVES THAT YOU HAVE TO LIE TO FIND EVIDENCE OF RACISM IN THIS COUNTRY

YOU ARE DESPERATE - YOU ARE LOOKING EVERYWHERE


AND YOU HAVE TO TWIST PEOPLE'S WORDS AROUND - AND COMPLETELY CHANGE THEIR MEANING TO GET SOMETHING THAT APPEARS RACIST.


YOU ARE ONE SICK PERSON

ARE YOU TRYING TO START A RACE WAR,

OR ARE YOU WORKING TOWARD RACIAL HARMONY ? because if you want racial harmony, you aren't doing anything to get there.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

VIOLENCE TALLY


Democratic Congressmen 1

Lakers' Thugs 1


Tea Party 0

38 people were arrested in LA the other night after the Lakers won - charges included vandalism and inciting a riot.

Can the leftists control themselves ???


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

It's not the end of this:

THE SESTAK-OBAMA SCANDAL

THE ROMANOFF-OBAMA SCANDAL

THE BLAGO-VALERIE JARRET - OBAMA OFFER SCANDAL - THROUGH THE UNION OFFICIAL


IF ALL THOSE HAPPEND - OBAMA HAS A RICO SCANDAL ON HIS HANDS

THE COUNTRY DESERVES A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR TO INVESTIGATE THESE OBAMA SCANDALS.


A little more series compared to some stupid remarks by a Congresman.


AND how do these remarks compare to the ASSAULT AND BATTERY BY A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSMAN on the sidewalk of Washington DC ????

Why is Van Hollen more concerned with comments - as opposed to an ASSAULT AND BATTERY BY A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSMAN WHICH WAS CAUGHT ON VIDEO ????


This just proves the democrats are unfit to govern - they really have no business being even near a government building.

There is absolutely no sense of judgement.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

If the Dems aren't going to hit back on Sharron Angle's call for [I can't repeat it], then they aren't likely to nail Barton for his BP cheerleading during the oil spill crisis.
_____________

From a wonkette.com article on Sharron Angle's violent madness, partying like it's 1939...Germany:

"Why might Sharron Angle hate talking to the press? It could be that they will ask her questions on delicate subjects, like her threat from January to shoot Harry Reid with her hidden gun.

'You know, our Founding Fathers, they put that Second Amendment in there for a good reason and that was for the people to protect themselves against a tyrannical government. And in fact Thomas Jefferson said it’s good for a country to have a revolution every 20 years.

I hope that’s not where we’re going, but, you know, if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying my goodness what can we do to turn this country around? I’ll tell you the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out.'"
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What is Fix's take on Shar-Rand's expression of "quasi-libertarianism"?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 19, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Leichtman


What do you say about a poster who comes onto this blog - and starts to post under two different names.

AND then the poster starts to talk to themselves and have a conversation on the blog between the two name ?

Is this a sign of a personality disorder ?

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

broadwayjoe


Here you are again - pushing your message of HATE - and your SLURS

Is there any end to your HATE ?


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Joe Barton apologizes to Joran for his Peruvian arrest? Developing... :)

Other Barton apologizes forthcoming to ______?

1. John Wayne Gacy
2. Enron
3. Bernie Madoff
4. Roman Polanski
5. Jean Smith
6. Richard Speck
7. "Sir" Allen Stanford
8. Phil Spector

****

212. John and Patsy Ramsey
213. Whitey Bulger

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 19, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Let's hope this is not "the end of this."
They need to talk of Joe Barton's corporatist lunacy from now until 2012.
_________________

BHO and his party have missed so many opportunities to capitalize on recent GOP/teabagger missteps.

Check out, for example: Rand Paul's racist meltdown endorsing discrimination by private businesses against blacks and a return to whites-only lunch counters; "Shar-Rand" Angle's call for violent insurrection (and, as we understand it, her disgusting "Second Amendment" idea for removing political foes from office; and Sue Lowden's idiotic "Chickens for Checkups" alternative to BHO's Health Care Reform.

Beyond cute inside-the-Beltway talk (that never reaches the Heartland outside the urban areas and between the coasts), BHO and the Dems have not pushed back against this extremist insanity. If the baggers and hatemongers win the public debate, as they very well may, see, e.g., Google "1939 Germany" and "Goebbels," the Dems can only blame themselves.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 19, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Texans know Barton is a jerk and many of us
are demanding that Rs remove him from the House Energy Committee. Don't lump all Texans
in the GOP apologists barrel.
Does the GOP want Barton as their Chairman
if they take back the House this Nov? That
is the critical question?

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 19, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Texans know Barton is a jerk and many of us
are demanding that Rs remove him from the House Energy Committee. Don't lump all Texans
in the GOP apologists barrel.
Does the GOP want Barton as their Chairman
if they take back the House this Nov? That
is the critical question?

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 19, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Bring it! Texas always thinks the rest of the Nation has to kiss their behinds-so bring it. The man apologized to a company that had people killed because of their stupidity. Twice! 760 violations and they were warned not to use materials or continue. And now Atlantis??? Texas wake up! Barton is a real jack.a.s.s. head and tail wise.

Posted by: Scar1 | June 19, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse


From the links provided below by another posters - shows the OIL AND GAS MONEY GIVEN TO MEMBERS OF CONGRESS AND US SENATORS

Obama, Barack (D) $973,051


NOW SOMETHING tells me this DOES NOT include Obama's Presidential campaign - and this is just the money that went to his Senate campaign accounts.


AND YET - one has to ask, why is the oil and gas industry giving a FRESHMAN SENATOR SO MUCH MONEY ????


There is something extremely curious about how all this happened.

Because no other freshman Senator gets this treatment - no other Congressman gets this treatment.


There is something extremely curious.


Something does not add up about any of this.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 1:44 AM | Report abuse

farnaz_mansouri2


You would have thought Barton would have gotten more


Obama got almost a million from JUST BP in just a few years -

So if you add in what Obama got from other Oil and Gas companies, OBAMA IS PROBABLY IN FIRST PLACE AND GOT THE MOST FROM THE OIL INDUSTRY.


AND IF YOU ADD IN THE COAL INDUSTRY, OBAMA IS WAY UP THERE.


SO YOU ARE NOT TELLING THE WHOLE TRUTH, ARE YOU ???

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | June 19, 2010 1:34 AM | Report abuse

Wow another bumbling Republican, is there a smart one amongst them. Traitor Joe, not for America but for big oil. They will sell their soul for that ever loving buck. What a disgrace.

Posted by: audrey2010 | June 19, 2010 12:52 AM | Report abuse

On Barton, BP Andarko, and the oil industry (Slick!)


Individuals or PACs associated with the oil and gas industry as a whole have been "Barton's biggest patron since he entered Congress, donating more than $1,448,380 since the 1990 election cycle. The figure puts him at No. 1 among all House members for donations from the industry, fifth among members of Congress and fourth among active members of Congress."

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2010/06/barton-likes-bp-and-they-like-him-b-1.html

BP ANDARKO is the heaviest contributor to Barton's campaigns. Whose interests does he serve?

And the rest of the members of Congress?

Posted by: farnaz_mansouri2 | June 19, 2010 12:47 AM | Report abuse

[getting down on one knee]

STELLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I mean...

MARIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Where are you??????????????????

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 18, 2010 11:57 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


You are running under two different personalities


Those personalities are talking to each other on this blog

It is not interesting - but it would make you eligible for a prescription.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | June 18, 2010 11:56 PM | Report abuse


So - would you be leveling the same CHARGE against blacks - if the black was criticizing a white public official ?


Would you question the MOTIVES of that black person - and say that the black's objection was really BASED IN RACISM AGAINST WHITES?


No, I don't think you would.

Posted by: 37thand0street | June 18, 2010 11:54 PM | Report abuse

I have only one philosophy in life. Never deny anything that makes one more interesting.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 18, 2010 11:48 PM | Report abuse

12barblues is now obsessed with her two personalities.

She is signing in under one name, then signing out

Then she signs in under her other name.


She even has the two names talking to each other - in a vain attempt to somehow convince someone that there are two people behind the two names.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 18, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

45upnorth is perfectly representing the "I believe Joe" line that I am reading all over the blogosphere. The only thing missing is the the threat against the Big 3, Boehner, Cantor and Pence. But, he probably will.

The genie cannot be put back in the bottle. This will be interesting.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 18, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

brigade or someone posting as brigade 2-3 months ago was insistent that JD Hayworth
would defeat McCain. I spent 2 weeks in
Phoenix in April and saw no JD commercials
and little recognition of JD beyond Tempe and reported same here back in April and was attacked for that assesment.
If you have moved on from your support of
JD we can just leave it at that, no need
to be snarky about that post.

What I would like to ask the conservatives
here is why their spokesmen, Boehner, Newt, Limbaugh, and Armey are now promoting litigation. The party that despises lawyers,
has made tort reform their religion and constantly attacks ATLA, are now calling for
tort litigation against BP. Seems to me that
they really don't know what they are for, litigation or escrow funds. The only position that they are consistant with regarding BP is
that whatever Obama does to make BP financially responsible must be wrong. Had
he left his 4 hour meeting on Wed and produced $0 the GOP would have gone nuts with attacks.
The only opinions about the $20 bln we SHOULD care about are the victims in the Gulf Coast.
I have yet to hear a fisherman or merchant
complain and say they didn't want BP to have to pay so much. Aren't they the ones we should
most care about?

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 18, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

I know what Barton means. Obama doesn't volunteer or work to do anything without a financial or political payback. Come on! He's a pure Chicago politician. For the first time, in my life time, I'm embarrassed by the President we have in office. Obama will soak BP for all the money he can get and then more.

Posted by: 45upnorth | June 18, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

I don't get it. Well, maybe I do get it.

Mariiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeee is the anti-37th.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 18, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

@12Bar: maybe they'll go stark raving nuts like the night before Terry Shiavo lost her feeding tube. Big loud plans for storming the hospital and rescuing her -- I am not making this up -- stopping every paragraph to issue loving recitations of their gun collections, each brand and model number for every gun and accessory.

kapow. bang.

The schism is widening. Now they have to deal with the monster they've created, kinda like Israel and the settlers.

Heh heh heh.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 18, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

PREFER wHEN YOU Put YOURSELf

OUT with NEW SMART material
-------------------------------------
Here, here.

We all think that 37th needs a little bit more preparation time to freshen up his material.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 18, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Mariiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeee!

You go, girl.

@noa,

This Barton/right wing story "the slushfund" has gone viral, I think. The GOP tried to lock it down, but too late. It's out. Limbaugh and all his imitators are screaming their lungs out. It no longer matters what Barton does.


Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 18, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

37thand0street

GreeeeeeeTINGS

YOU ARE a GENUINE FOOL when YOU USE

T
H
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W O R D

RACIST
A
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OTHERWise you are my MUSE.

PREFER wHEN YOU Put YOURSELf

OUT with NEW SMART material

I am TIRED to tears wITH CUT and PASTE -

KNOW WE all AGREE the 1st X u share

Marie WITH GOOD MEMORY of U

Posted by: mariewilson11 | June 18, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, does anyone know why the GOP is piling on Barton like this. If they want to get it out of the news, I wouldn't think it would help to have yet another Republican, Bonner, calling for his resignation.

It sounds to me like a retraction is not good enough. They want Barton gone, like really gone.

==

Maybe today, June 18, 2010, is the watershed, the day the GOP began to realize that this whole crazy routine wasn't going to work. Y'think?

Naaaah. Putting limits on corporate business just isn't, as DDAWD put it, in their DNA.

But we'll see. Rand and Angle are muzzled, but they're far from muzzling Palin, and setting the balance on the right side of letting uh her continue to blast her unhinged junk will be a good indicator.

They're still goi g to lose at least two more presidentials before they get sane.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 18, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Whatever you call yourselves, yeah you should be rounded up and exterminated like the vermin you are. Yes indeedy.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 18, 2010 9:28 PM
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Fear of the other, the unfamiliar. The seeds of bigotry firmly planted in Noacoler's feeble brain. Part of the human condition. Pitiful. The above comment sounds like something right from the mouth of Adolf himself.

Posted by: Brigade | June 18, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Seems like the buzz from the right wing is that Joe Barton's original comments were "right on" and the right is now mad at the GOP establishment. The blogs I'm reading, are filled with right wingers making not so veiled threats:

"If Mike Pence, John Boehner and Eric Cantor don't grow a set and shut up about Joe Barton, they will be replaced as leadership of the Republican Party".

I'm beginning to see daylight through the schism in the GOP.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 18, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler wrote,
"if you're not actually zouk it scarcely matters . . . You "and" he are as distinguishable as two fermions."

-----

Your attitude toward conservatives---seen one, seen 'em all, all alike---sounds like your attitude toward blacks when you were growing up in the South, or your current attitude recently displayed in anti-Semitic rants. Is that how you feel about the denizens of Vietnam? Horrible bigotry.

Posted by: Brigade | June 18, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Conservatives, briggy? Is that what you call yourselves? Someone should wash your mouth out with petroleum for that.

Whatever you call yourselves, yeah you should be rounded up and exterminated like the vermin you are. Yes indeedy.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 18, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, does anyone know why the GOP is piling on Barton like this. If they want to get it out of the news, I wouldn't think it would help to have yet another Republican, Bonner, calling for his resignation.

It sounds to me like a retraction is not good enough. They want Barton gone, like really gone.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 18, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler wrote,
"if you're not actually zouk it scarcely matters . . . You "and" he are as distinguishable as two fermions."

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No doubt the same thing you said about African-Americans as you grew up in the south; the same thing you now say about Jews as you seethe with anti-Semitic bile, calling for enemies of Israel to be armed; probably the same thing you say about the natives of Vietnam. Seen one, seen 'em all, can't tell 'em apart.

Only natural that your bigotry should extend to conservatives.

Posted by: Brigade | June 18, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

lindalovejones - to your comment at 7:00


Unbelievable - I guess I have to go over this with you again.

So white people now have to worry - everytime they criticize the government - whether they will be called racist or not ???


Seriously - HOW do you know that same Republican would not be making the exact same comment against a white democratic President ???


You don't.


You can't identify ANY racism there.


Except that Obama is BLACK.


So - would you be leveling the same CHARGE against blacks - if the black was criticizing a white public official ?


Would you question the MOTIVES of that black person - and say that the black's objection was really BASED IN RACISM AGAINST WHITES?


No, I don't think you would.

SO YOU ARE RESERVING ALL YOUR BASELESS CHARGES OF RACISM FOR WHITES.


Is that RACISM ???


Your comment ACTUALLY PROVES THAT YOU ARE A RACIST.

__________________________________


Furthermore - your comment is really aimed at SILENCING people.


Because - what you really are doing is trying to HINDER THAT PERSON'S FREEDOM OF SPEECH


YOU ARE TRYING TO DISCOURAGE THAT PERSON FROM SPEAKING HIS MIND - BASED ON THE COLOR OF OBAMA'S SKIN.

Last I checked, the First Amendment does not have separate provisions, one for when the President is white, an one for when the President is black.

NOW - the Civil Rights Act is designed to STOP PEOPLE FROM HINDERING THE EXERCISE OF CIVIL RIGHTS.


You are actually trying to hinder that person's Freedom of Speech - SO YOUR COMMENT IS A VIOLATION OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACTS.


________________________________


It is pretty simple lindalovejones - you are not only a racist - but you are breaking the law as well.

Just as if someone tried to hinder or discourage a black person from voting.


You are trying to hinder or discourage a white person from speaking his mind.

YOU ARE A RACIST AND YOU ARE VIOLATING THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT.

Nice way to have a post-racial world, huh?

Posted by: 37thand0street | June 18, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Barton will have to resign, just like Vitter and Craig and Ensign did. Oh, wait ...

Anyone else want to chime in defense of poor persecuted BP? Floor's yours, knock yourselves out, goopers.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 18, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

lindalovejones - to your comment at 7:00


Unbelievable - I guess I have to go over this with you again.

So white people now have to worry - everytime they criticize the government - whether they will be called racist or not ???


Seriously - HOW do you know that same Republican would not be making the exact same comment against a white democratic President ???


You don't.


You can't identify ANY racism there.


Except that Obama is BLACK.


So - would you be leveling the same CHARGE against blacks - if the black was criticizing a white public official ?


Would you question the MOTIVES of that black person - and say that the black's objection was really BASED IN RACISM AGAINST WHITES?


No, I don't think you would.

SO YOU ARE RESERVING ALL YOUR BASELESS CHARGES OF RACISM FOR WHITES.


Is that RACISM ???


Your comment ACTUALLY PROVES THAT YOU ARE A RACIST.

__________________________________


Furthermore - your comment is really aimed at SILENCING people.


Because - what you really are doing is trying to HINDER THAT PERSON'S FREEDOM OF SPEECH


YOU ARE TRYING TO DISCOURAGE THAT PERSON FROM SPEAKING HIS MIND - BASED ON THE COLOR OF OBAMA'S SKIN.

Last I checked, the First Amendment does not have separate provisions, one for when the President is white, an one for when the President is black.

NOW - the Civil Rights Act is designed to STOP PEOPLE FROM HINDERING THE EXERCISE OF CIVIL RIGHTS.


You are actually trying to hinder that person's Freedom of Speech - SO YOUR COMMENT IS A VIOLATION OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACTS.


________________________________


It is pretty simple lindalovejones - you are not only a racist - but you are breaking the law as well.

Just as if someone tried to hinder or discourage a black person from voting.


You are trying to hinder or discourage a white person from speaking his mind.

YOU ARE A RACIST AND YOU ARE VIOLATING THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT.

Nice way to have a post-racial world, huh?

Posted by: 37thand0street | June 18, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

If the "Shakedown" comment from Rep. Joe Barton was deemed by the Media, Congress, DNC, GOP and the White House as unacceptable ...................

............then why don't WE use the past phase used by "The White House" to describe what happened in the Oval Office yesterday....................


................."we will continue to hold our boot to the throat of B.P.", until they cough up the $20 Billion for our Private Slush Fund.

It was refreshing to hear a Member of Congress actually speaking the TRUTH for a change !!!

Posted by: thgirbla | June 18, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Mariiiiiiiiiiiiiiiie? Marie Wilson? Mrs. Wilson? Miss Wilson? Ms. Wilson? mr. wilson?

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere are you?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 18, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Marie Wilson


Glad to see you have re-joined us.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 18, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse


Noa


Make that 8 posts.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 18, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't seem to be the end, if the Republicans have their way:

By Molly Hooper - 06/18/10 02:56 PM ET

Rep. Jo Bonner (R-Ala.) added his name to the list of Republicans calling on Rep. Joe Barton (R-Texas) to step aside as ranking member of the House Energy and Commerce committee.

The Gulf Coast lawmaker, incensed that Barton apologized to BP oil company at Thursday's high-profile hearing, released a statement on Friday saying that Barton's comments "sadly fall short of an appropriate response."

In that statement Bonner, the ranking member of the House ethics panel, revealed that he talked to Barton on Friday morning.

"As I told him, I believe the damage of his comments are beyond repair and, as such, I am today calling on Joe to do the right thing for our conference and immediately step aside as Ranking Member of the Energy and Commerce Committee," Bonner said in the statement."

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/104187-top-republican-joins-chorus-calling-for-barton-to-resign-energy-post?page=2#comments

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 18, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

This just shows who Barton is really representing. He knows that if he doesn't stick up for his 'boys' they'll cut off his contributions.

Posted by: 21stCenturyCaveman | June 18, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Noa


That is 7 posts from you in a short period of time -

YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE AND A CREEP.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 18, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

oh come on briggy, there's no doubt at all.

you obsess over the same people with the same insults, you're twisted into knots with hatred, and if you're not actually zouk it scarcely matters because you exhibit the exact same maladies. You "and" he are as distinguishable as two fermions.

you're sick

Posted by: Noacoler | June 18, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Nothing that Barton has said could EVER cover up (pun intended) the treachery of Obomba!!!

Posted by: houston123 | June 18, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

birds of a feather.

breathing in and out of a paper bag, briggy? I hear that helps with conditions like yours.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 18, 2010 8:56 PM
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No fair. You can suck and blow at the same time, but I can't.

Posted by: Brigade | June 18, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Clearly - lindalovejones' comment at 7:00
proves that the democratic party is not MATURE enough to have a black President

If everything has to revolve around the color of Obama's skin, every criticism has to be evaluated to see if it is racist, then clearly THE DEMOCRATS ARE NOT READY FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT.

This is a sad commentary on the democratic party.


This is what the idea of Post-Racial meant - it meant that Obama was COMMITTING HIMSELF THAT THIS KIND OF STUFF WOULD NOT HAPPEN.

Obama has DONE NOTHING TO STAMP OUT THIS KIND OF BULL - SO OBAMA IS GUILTY TOO.

THE DEMOCRATS ARE NOT READY - AND THIS CRAP ABOUT RACISM THIS AND RACISM THAT - HAS GOT TO STOP.

WHAT YOU ARE ACTUALLY DOING HIS HURTING FUTURE BLACK CANDIDATES -

WHY SHOULD ANYONE VOTE FOR A BLACK CANDIDATE IN THE FUTURE IF EVERYONE HAS TO ENDURE FALSE CHARGES OF RACISM WHEN THAT PERSON IS IN OFFICE ???


YOU ARE VIOLATING THE LAW.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 18, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: BobSanderson | June 18, 2010 8:41 PM
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Making up for lost time, Bob. Helping to educate you---"ignorant, stubborn and stupid is no way to go through life, son."

Posted by: Brigade | June 18, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

jamalmstrom


No one is stopping you from speaking

You have no basis for your objection.

And who cares


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 18, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

You need help, zouk.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 18, 2010 8:43 PM
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Assuming that bit of snark is addressed to me, I think the two who could use the help are the two who can't seem to tell one poster from another. Too many bad sci-fi books.

Posted by: Brigade | June 18, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

birds of a feather.

breathing in and out of a paper bag, briggy? I hear that helps with conditions like yours.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 18, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Noa


Let's clock how many postings you make


Seriously - rarely a comment about an issue - either

All you do is talk about other posters -

Why don't you just stop that ???


When are you going to Vietnam?? Please leave the country forever.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 18, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

lindalovejones - to your comment at 7:00

Unbelievable - I guess I have to go over this with you again.


So white people now have to worry - everytime they criticize the government - whether they will be called racist or not ???

Seriously - HOW do you know that same Republican would not be making the exact same comment against a white democratic President ???

You don't.

You can't identify ANY racism there.

Except that Obama is BLACK.

So - would you be leveling the same CHARGE against blacks - if the black was criticizing a white public official ?

Would you question the MOTIVES of that black person - and say that the black's objection was really BASED IN RACISM AGAINST WHITES?

No, I don't think you would.


SO YOU ARE RESERVING ALL YOUR BASELESS CHARGES OF RACISM FOR WHITES.

Is that RACISM ???


Your comment ACTUALLY PROVES THAT YOU ARE A RACIST.

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Furthermore - your comment is really aimed at SILENCING people.

Because - what you really are doing is trying to HINDER THAT PERSON'S FREEDOM OF SPEECH


YOU ARE TRYING TO DISCOURAGE THAT PERSON FROM SPEAKING HIS MIND - BASED ON THE COLOR OF OBAMA'S SKIN.


Last I checked, the First Amendment does not have separate provisions, one for when the President is white, an one for when the President is black.


NOW - the Civil Rights Act is designed to STOP PEOPLE FROM HINDERING THE EXERCISE OF CIVIL RIGHTS.

You are actually trying to hinder that person's Freedom of Speech - SO YOUR COMMENT IS A VIOLATION OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACTS.

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It is pretty simple lindalovejones - you are not only a racist - but you are breaking the law as well.


Just as if someone tried to hinder or discourage a black person from voting.

You are trying to hinder or discourage a white person from speaking his mind.


YOU ARE A RACIST AND YOU ARE VIOLATING THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT.


Nice way to have a post-racial world, huh?

Posted by: 37thand0street | June 18, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Linda, he was being sarcastic.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 18, 2010 7:13 PM
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Poor leichtman1 can't catch a break from anyone with his sarcasm. But I told you Linda was a moron. This just goes to further prove it. You, too.

Posted by: Brigade | June 18, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Twelve. Talk about compulsive. Not even 37th does that many posts, and he's on meth.

You need help, zouk.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 18, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

The GOP should run ads showing dead birds and turtles to tap into rage at environmental extremists, and show Gulf workers in the unemployment line to do the same for rage against freeloaders.

Pass it on. Victory in November.

No charge.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 18, 2010 7:01 PM
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There'll be plenty of people from the gulf states in the unemployment line because of Obama's drilling moratorium. Go ahead and run on it, dolt, and see how many gulf state elections you win.

Posted by: Brigade | June 18, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: BobSanderson | June 18, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

ten posts in 45 minutes, every one of them b|tchy and snarky and devoid of a point

take a load in your eye?

You think Bachmann looks hot. Uh, wow. She looks to me like she thinks she can shoot lasers from here eyes. Dude, that picture could be used to train puppies.

Sure you're straight?

Posted by: Noacoler | June 18, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

And you wonder why people call you “racist”?

If it walks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck, you better believe – it’s a duck.

Posted by: lindalovejones | June 18, 2010 7:00 PM
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Actually, very few people wonder about it, because they already know the answer. You call people racist because you can engage them on the issues. You are an idiot.

Posted by: Brigade | June 18, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

And if you don't think so, look at the comments from the wingnuts on any of these threads.

Posted by: Andrea_KC | June 18, 2010 6:54 PM
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I'm looking at a comment from wingnut number one right now. Goes by Andrea_KC.

Posted by: Brigade | June 18, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

@charlietuna666 at 6:21 pm: You are a moron and a stupid jerk. Did you feel the same way when idiot george was traipsing around the country? Did you feel idiot george should have been impeached for lying us into two dumb wars? You stupid sob should be strung up. Tell me moron, what exactly would you have done to stop the oil spill? And while you are at it, tell me when we should get out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Live with it jerk; Barack Obama is the president and you must stand up and salute when he walks into a room. You punk biatch. All you do is come here and spew you bile crap. I hope somebody beats the living daylights out of you with a tire iron. What a sick and twisted "mutha...you know what.

Posted by: Henry_of_BrowardCounty | June 18, 2010 6:53 PM
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Poor little wuss. You sound so angry you could almost crush a grape.

Posted by: Brigade | June 18, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the YouTube link DDAWD, wow, Bachmann looks pretty goddamned crazy

Posted by: Noacoler | June 18, 2010 6:17 PM
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She looks pretty hot to me. Why are conservative women so attractive and liberal women so . . . well, Helen-Thomas-like?

Posted by: Brigade | June 18, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Responses to a couple of earlier posts:

leichtman1 wrote,
"Greene should be required to sign a
sworn affidavit, subject to further perjury
charges, detailing where the $10,400 came from."

I'll just bet you made the same suggestion regarding the offer to Sestak. Get to the bottom of it by requiring that he, Rahmbo, Clinton, and Obama all sign sworn affidavits---maybe even take lie detector tests. What's good for the goose.

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bproulx45 wrote,
"I think Alvin Green is a good Representative of the people of South Carolina. Not too bright, kind of "pervy" and he just LOVES Jesus. Frankly I think he's right up there with Jim DeMint. I hope he wins, he can't be much worse than what they already have in DC. Thank God I live in Michigan."

LOL! I'm sure the folks in South Carolina are also glad you live in Michigan. How're things going in Michigan these days?
What's the unemployment rate? You just keep living off those table-scraps (government handouts) and cheering for the liberals. South Carolina will get along fine without you.

Posted by: Brigade | June 18, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Barton represents his district in Texas extremely well. He's in love with big oil and big oil money and swills down huge amounts of "campaign contributions".

Hmmm...is he one of those 'incumbents' that should be replaced?

OOOh! this is just so hard!

Posted by: bgreen2224 | June 18, 2010 4:47 PM
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The advice to lindalovejones goes for all D-baggers: if you don't live in Barton's district, how about voting out the crooked incumbent who represents you? Too busy licking the boots?

Posted by: Brigade | June 18, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

ONE must ask; Was Obama's failure to respond merely gross incompetence or was it intentional? If he had failed to act during the first 8 days, following the blow out of the well head, I would tend to think that it was merely incompetence, but to wait for nearly two months to attack this problem declares that he is not only grossly incompetent, but maliciously culpable.

Posted by: A_lite_to_the_blind | June 18, 2010 4:38 PM
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You have hit the nail on the head!

Posted by: Brigade | June 18, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

I don't blame the Dems for hammering Barton. If I were them, I'd be desperate to change the subject too.

Posted by: prosecutor1 | June 18, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

lindalovejones wrote,
"Republicans have some nerve, they ran the country into the ground and are sitting back while Democrats clean up their mess"

They've got a helluva way of cleaning up the mess. 10% unemployment, crushing mountains of debt, new and unsustainable government programs, doubled-down and mired in Afghanistan with no exit in sight.
Heckofa job, Barackie!

"Anybody crazy enough to vote for the likes of Barton or any of the rest of those no-nothings deserves a swift kick in the back side."

Since you evidently don't live in Barton's district, why don't you do your part by voting out the lowlife do-nothing incumbent in your own district? Or else keep mum on the subject of what others should do.

"If President Obama wasn't in office, those people would just have to move out of Louisiana because there would be no help for them, just apologies to Big Oil for the "little people" getting in their way."

This is a test: what are the chances of Obama carrying Lousiana in his quest for re-election, especially after his drilling moratorium puts 25% of the population there out of work? Don't tax that brain old girl.

Posted by: Brigade | June 18, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Whoa, he's talking to bumblingberry, that means they're two different people after all. Boy do I feel chagrined.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 18, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Bumblingberry wrote,
"I see the usual gang of idiots has gathered in force. do you losers EVER do anything else?"

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They don't! You just can't make it up. Drindl has finally slipped all the way from wingerism into full blown psychosis.
Her trail of slime posts indicate that she was here until midnight last night and then back again early this morning for another all-day spamming session---and all the while complaining about how much time OTHERS spend here.

In her fevered dreams, I send one of the pod people to my job each and every day while I lurk here in the background, posting under many different imaginary monikers and continually monitoring her activities (she wishes), probably via a webcam she keeps trained on her person in a desperate quest for attention. She is what Noacoler would call "heavily invested"---like 16 to 18 hours per day---but still prefers to project her maladjustment on others rather than facing it head on and seeking help. More potty breaks in place of a once-a-day diaper change would be less gross.

Posted by: Brigade | June 18, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

wow, "commie," that sure takes me back.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 18, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Wondering how many posts briggy is going to retort to with the same middle school snideness he uses on his other monikers. Aren't you just a little too "invested" in this place, zouk?

Posted by: Noacoler | June 18, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

You're damn right it's not the end. Anybody with a brain KNOWS it was a shakedown. That's the Obama (Captain Kick-ass) way. EVERYTHING with him is dirty politics.

Posted by: militarymom1 | June 18, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

BobSanderson wrote,
'To paraphrase that great American academic Dean Vernon Wormer:

"ignorant, stubborn and stupid is no way to go through life, son."'

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We'll take your word for that Bob. You seem to be the voice of experience where those qualities are concerned.

Posted by: Brigade | June 18, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

barn's over there, champ. Missed again.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 18, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Well well well

We are not going to forget about the FRAUD OF 2008 commitments of bipartisanship and post-racial governance which have been discarded in favor of a far far left wing agenda.


The American People will never ever forget.

The democrats can NOT be trusted.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 18, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler wrote,
"The free market doesn't exactly have a sterling track record of producing socially desirable outcomes, and the zombies' response to this fact is to deny the social undesirability of being a banana republic."

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The same idiotic screed over and over. It is your commie countries that are the banana republics, bozo. Cuba, Vietnam, wonderful places. Your ideology has already been relegated to the dustbin of history, but you just won't let go. I'm sorry you failed in your quest for the American dream, but even in our wonderful, capitalist society, there are always going to be losers. At least the 'gym' is air-conditioned. I'm also sorry that you've become so bitter you'd rather take your few marbles and go pout in a commie hellhole like Vietnam than keep on keepin' on. Poor sap.

Posted by: Brigade | June 18, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse


What about the Obama - Sestak SCANDAL ???


It's not the end of this ......


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 18, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

fu cking burnout why don't you hit that tina pipe until you OD and die.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 18, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Felicia, when you call this ecrow account a slushfund you validate the sloppy, partisan thinking of many people.

A professional journalist should do better than that.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | June 18, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

brigade still promising a JD victory, are
you ready to make that wager?

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 18, 2010 1:19 PM
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You must have been in your usual stupor when you read someone's post about JD. I've never at anytime said anything about JD beating McCain, and yet you've repeated this nonsense several times.

Posted by: Brigade | June 18, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

What about the Obama - Romanoff SCANDAL ???

It's not the end of this ..............


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 18, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

What about the Obama - Valerie Jarett offer to Blago SCANDAL - through the union official

It's not the end of this............


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 18, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

What about Etheridge - IS HE GOING TO JAIL FOR ASSAULT AND BATTERY ???


It's not the end of this..........


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 18, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

("wow, liberals are really desperate to cover up for Obunglers ineptitude.")
It's not going to be easy.
----That's his job!------
www.losiberos.net

Posted by: editorialstaff | June 18, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

("wow, los liberales están realmente desesperados para encubrir la ineptitud Obunglers.")
----That's his job!
www.losiberos.net

Posted by: editorialstaff | June 18, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Linda, he was being sarcastic.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 18, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

TO: leichtman1 who wrote:
“The R party wants Joe Barton to be the next Chairman of the House Energy Committee.
Tony Hayward is now unemployed. Since Rs claim they will control Congress next January they need to seriously consider putting Mr. Hayward in charge of that committee, as
an adjunct administrator.”

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That comment was so dumb, I nearly laughed till I cried!

Barton is already Chairman of the Energy Committee, and just by virtue of the fact that you would recommend Tony Hayward, the moron who’s responsible for the worse oil spill ever in the history of the world tells everybody what a nut case you are.

Barton is already in bed with Big Oil getting but F’cked and kissing so much but that he forgot all about the People in the Red States of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida.

Thanks for the hearty har har.


Posted by: lindalovejones | June 18, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

I question the competency of this administration

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Wow, I bet the administration is burning the midnight oil worrying about your loss of faith.

The word is "competence," you boob.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 18, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Joe Barton spoke the truth. It was a "shakedown." This will only endear voters to him.

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You're wasting your time posting this here. You need to make sure the RNC knows this. And since it will take more than one letter you should send it under hundreds of pseudonyms.

I'm SURE there is a groundswell of compassion for poor persecuted BP out there and the GOP's best path back to power lies in tapping into it.

The GOP should run ads showing dead birds and turtles to tap into rage at environmental extremists, and show Gulf workers in the unemployment line to do the same for rage against freeloaders.

Pass it on. Victory in November.

No charge.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 18, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse


TO: charlietuna666 who wrote:
“Joe Barton spoke the truth. It was a "shakedown." This will only endear voters to him.
On another note, did you see how much it cost us for obozo the clown to go to Columbus, Ohio for a ten minute campaign speech? Obama is just blowing our money.
The trip Columbus probably cost taxpayers between $500,000 and $1 million. Mr. Obama spoke for just ten minutes and was on the ground in Ohio for just over an hour.
Air Force One alone bills out at $100,000 per hour, and the round trip is nearly two hours. Adding to the cost are military aircraft to carry limos and secret service vehicles, Marine One on standby, Secret Service, local police and other factors.
This a-s-s hole ought to be impeached.”

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

In all my years, I’ve never ONCE heard ANYONE worry, dollar by dollar, about how much it may cost to operate Air Force One, that is, until a black man became President of the United States.

And you wonder why people call you “racist”?

If it walks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck, you better believe – it’s a duck.

Posted by: lindalovejones | June 18, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

"We heard what his statement was right at the outset. That was heartfelt; that's what he believes."

It's not just what Barton believes, it's what Republicans in general believe.

And if you don't think so, look at the comments from the wingnuts on any of these threads.

Posted by: Andrea_KC | June 18, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

@charlietuna666 at 6:21 pm: You are a moron and a stupid jerk. Did you feel the same way when idiot george was traipsing around the country? Did you feel idiot george should have been impeached for lying us into two dumb wars? You stupid sob should be strung up. Tell me moron, what exactly would you have done to stop the oil spill? And while you are at it, tell me when we should get out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Live with it jerk; Barack Obama is the president and you must stand up and salute when he walks into a room. You punk biatch. All you do is come here and spew you bile crap. I hope somebody beats the living daylights out of you with a tire iron. What a sick and twisted "mutha...you know what.

Posted by: Henry_of_BrowardCounty | June 18, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

The R party wants Joe Barton to be the
next Chairman of the House Energy Committee.

Tony Hayward is now unemployed. Since Rs claim they will control Congress next January they
need to seriously consider putting Mr,
Hayward in charge of that committee, as
an adjunct administrator.

Posted by: leichtman1 | June 18, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Joe Barton spoke the truth. It was a "shakedown." This will only endear voters to him.

On another note, did you see how much it cost us for obozo the clown to go to Columbus, Ohio for a ten minute campaign speech? Obama is just blowing our money.

The trip Columbus probably cost taxpayers between $500,000 and $1 million. Mr. Obama spoke for just ten minutes and was on the ground in Ohio for just over an hour.


Air Force One alone bills out at $100,000 per hour, and the round trip is nearly two hours. Adding to the cost are military aircraft to carry limos and secret service vehicles, Marine One on standby, Secret Service, local police and other factors.

This a-s-s hole ought to be impeached.

Posted by: charlietuna666 | June 18, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Obama always intends this disaster for his own political ends.
You trying to tell me,with all the vast military might ,with personnel,machinery ,things could have been in plae before the oil reached the beaches.
Several European offered help within 2 days,but,were turned down flat by Obama.WHY?.
Kevin Costner has had new technology,to help with oil spills,turned down by authories,mothballed in Nevada,BP did tests,and gave it thumbs up,and,ordered them to start cleaning up.
Talk about double standards.

Posted by: ingram11 | June 18, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the YouTube link DDAWD, wow, Bachmann looks pretty goddamned crazy

Posted by: Noacoler | June 18, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

The D are going to lose big in Nov if this is their strategy. For all those talking up D, when will congress pass a budget for 2011? Are the D afraid to see the official red ink they have created. They know when they put ink on the budget with its massive deficits they will be hammered. I question the competency of this administration and congress in why they have not passed a budget and how their incompetency mirrors this current crisis in the Gulf.

Posted by: sliowa1 | June 18, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

To 37thand0street:

Who are you and what rock did you crawl out from under. You clearly confuse quantity of content with quality of content.

Barton received more money from Big Oil in the last election cycle for a House seat than Obama did for his Presidential bid. He's had nothing constructive to say. You've provided no evidence of any crimes.
Loudness and caps do not make for a cogent arguement, they merely point out an individual who prefers to dominate by not allowing others to speak.

Posted by: jamalmstrom | June 18, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

It might. Michelle Bachmann's challenger has cut a new ad attacking Bachmann for her comments on BP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-frxftWpXY

Posted by: DDAWD | June 18, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

The rightwingnuts like Rep. Joe Barton need to be revealed for who and what they are. It is high time for Democrats to raise the banner of the "small people" and go after the big, unregulated corporations and teapartiers. As I write this, more rightwingnuts are turning the US Constitution upside down by saying that the Second Amendment indicates the right to use arms to rectify the actions at the ballot box. This is startling and nauseating.

Posted by: EarlC | June 18, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm trying to see how this differs from the republicans trying to blame the oil spill on Obama.

It's exactly the same kind of low-life grandstanding. What really makes me tire of all this noise is how you republican morons can see the democrats doing exactly what you do, and somehow they're wrong and you're not a hypocrite.

Screw you both.

Posted by: barferio | June 18, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Great! It's not the end of it. More grandstanding from the worthless idiots who do nothing else but.

Posted by: JAH3 | June 18, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Wow - How desperate of the Democrats thinking that this will amount to anything.....meanwhile the oil spill continues, the budget deficit increases, unemployment goes on unabated. Only the truly stupid and the Obama kool-aid drinkers would see this as an opportunity for the Dems.......therefore the Dems and the Post see it as an opportunity.

Posted by: Realist201 | June 18, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

MEANWHILE - THE PRESS UNDER-COVERS THE STORY THAT OBAMA DID A YEAR-LONG REVIEW OF OFFSHORE DRILLING - AND OBAMA SHOULD HAVE MADE SURE MMS DID THE SAFETY INSPECTIONS CORRECTLY.


AND THE MEDIA DROPPED THE ROMANOFF SCANDAL


THE SESTEK SCANDAL


THE OBAMA - JARRETT OFFER TO BLAGO WITH THE UNION OFFICIAL SCANDAL


AND THE WHOLE TRUTH THAT OBAMA SHOULD HAVE A RICO CHARGE AGAINST HIM.


Anyway..........


And the democrats say "it's not the end of this"


Such hypocrisy from the democrats - nothing they say has any credibility any more.


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Even if there is no SPECIAL PROSECUTOR TO INVESTIGATE THE CRIMES OF OBAMA, they can still be investigated after Obama leaves office.

Obama should be tried for THE SESTAK-ROMANOFF- BLAGO RICO ACCUSATIONS.


Clearly, Obama has a RICO allegation there.

IT'S NOT THE END OF THIS.


OBAMA MIGHT GO TO JAIL AFTER HE LEAVES OFFICE.


CRIMINALS LIKE THIS HAVE TO BE PROSECUTED.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 18, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

MEANWHILE - THE PRESS UNDER-COVERS THE STORY THAT OBAMA DID A YEAR-LONG REVIEW OF OFFSHORE DRILLING - AND OBAMA SHOULD HAVE MADE SURE MMS DID THE SAFETY INSPECTIONS CORRECTLY.


AND THE MEDIA DROPPED THE ROMANOFF SCANDAL


THE SESTEK SCANDAL


THE OBAMA - JARRETT OFFER TO BLAGO WITH THE UNION OFFICIAL SCANDAL


AND THE WHOLE TRUTH THAT OBAMA SHOULD HAVE A RICO CHARGE AGAINST HIM.


Anyway..........


And the democrats say "it's not the end of this"


Such hypocrisy from the democrats - nothing they say has any credibility any more.


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______________________________________


Even if there is no SPECIAL PROSECUTOR TO INVESTIGATE THE CRIMES OF OBAMA, they can still be investigated after Obama leaves office.

Obama should be tried for THE SESTAK-ROMANOFF- BLAGO RICO ACCUSATIONS.


Clearly, Obama has a RICO allegation there.

IT'S NOT THE END OF THIS.


OBAMA MIGHT GO TO JAIL AFTER HE LEAVES OFFICE.


CRIMINALS LIKE THIS HAVE TO BE PROSECUTED.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 18, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

The Obama administration’s dealings with BP, however, have all the earmarks of an extra judicial hanging.

Obama’s tendency to foment hatred through vilification and then use it and political intimidation to subvert normal safeguards and dictate terms to unpopular groups is both disappointing and dangerous.

It is disappointing because this oil spill is not the first time he has done something like this (He used such tactics with the automobile companies and with the banks during the recent financial crisis.) and because as an intelligent man and a lawyer, he knows why we have those safeguards. It is dangerous because, like others who have stooped to such methods, he appears to believe that the ends justify the means and that he can control events such that things won’t get out of hand.

Events have a way of getting out of hand, however, and Obama is showing the arrogance and hubris that come before a fall. Obama is not the first to employ vilification and political intimidation to bypass the normal safeguards in our society.

Bush and Cheney used them to indefinitely incarcerate suspects without trial, to torture suspects, and to go to war in Iraq, giving us Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, and a no-win occupation of Iraq. Southern Democrats used such methods in the Jim Crow era to deny blacks their civil rights. McCarthy used them to destroy the reputations and careers of left-leaning citizens during in the Red Scares of the 1950s. Roosevelt used them to put Japanese and Japanese-Americans into detention camps after Pearl Harbor. Obama had best be careful lest he end up being the protagonist in a new American Tragedy.

Posted by: A_lite_to_the_blind | June 18, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Barton basically cut his own wrists and dove into a shark tank.

Posted by: ozpunk | June 18, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Barton should be castrated. However, I find it nauseating that democrats are taking advantage of this situation to score political points instead of just doing what needs to be done.. Dam the repubicans. Ignore them. Move forward, solve problems, and just let the stupid be stupid. Who cares about them in the end? They are all just petty, infantile punks who love instigating petty fights because they are small minded.

Posted by: swatkins1 | June 18, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

to 37thandoSt: are you Michelle Bachman incognito? Or one of the other Stooges - Palin or Burton?

Posted by: ScottChallenger | June 18, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

By failing to avail himself of the collective resources offered both nationally and internationally, Obama created a catastrophic and massive problem in the effort to stop and contain the flow of oil in the Gulf region. Even though the blow out was an accident, even though it may well have resulted from unsafe drilling practices, the fact is that Obama was in bed with BP before this horrific event occurred, having received One Million dollars from BP in campaign contributions.

With Obama's arrogant and malicious attack upon BP, one must ask, just how much money would it take to truly gain Obama's loyalty? By attacking BP and laying all the blame on them, somehow, me thinks, he can pass off the blame and culpability that he bears in this entire matter, which is very great indeed.

On the up-side of this entire fiasco, he is grossly incompetent. On the down side, Obama is culpable in willfully withholding aide and services in an effort to create an environment which would most assuredly create a multi-Billion dollar liability for BP as it now stands!

And just who will oversee these vast fortunes paid to this alleged escrow account? Obama, of course! Let us just wait and count the cost, the disbursements, the legal fees, and then tally them all up at the end of the day. We'll see just how much these greedy dogs siphon off the top for themselves.

As he sits in his ivory halls, dressed in fine suits, reveling in his own self grandiloquence, surrounded by his evil minions and lackeys, who lick his boots, a hand appears from no where and writes these words upon his wall; "You have been weighed in the balance and have been found (lacking) wanting."

Posted by: A_lite_to_the_blind | June 18, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

wow, conservatives are really desperate to cover up for Bartons ineptitude.

It's not going to be easy.

Posted by: ScottChallenger | June 18, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Why didn't Obama fly in the solar powered jet when he went to Ohio?

What a loser. Inherits a country in perfect shape and trashes it within just a few months. Now even our beaches are threatened. What an awful mess.

Posted by: bgreen2224 | June 18, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

The democrats and Obama have shown that they are the perfect exemplifications of "Ugly Americans" to the rest of the world.

Now the democrats are twisting Barton's comment in an effort to make themselves more appealing instead of the appalling bunch that they and their leader are.

Barton's remark was aimed at Obama's strong-armed thuggery, and Barton was totally justified.


Posted by: elby | June 18, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

What did thand0 do at the keyboard to get the caps lock so . . . sticky?

Posted by: mattintx | June 18, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Nice to see where the Democrat's priorities are.

Posted by: bobmoses | June 18, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Barton represents his district in Texas extremely well. He's in love with big oil and big oil money and swills down huge amounts of "campaign contributions".

Hmmm...is he one of those 'incumbents' that should be replaced?

OOOh! this is just so hard!

Posted by: bgreen2224 | June 18, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

"When the federal government isn’t sapping the initiative and expertise of local governments, it has been preventing foreign governments from helping. Just three days after the Deepwater Horizon explosion, the Dutch government offered to provide ships outfitted with oil-skimming booms and proposed a plan for building sand barriers to protect sensitive marshlands. LA Gov. Bobby Jindal (R) supported the idea, but the Obama administration refused the help. Thirteen countries have offered to help us clean up the Gulf, and the Obama administration has turned them all down.

According to one Dutch newspaper, European firms could complete the oil spill cleanup by themselves in just four months, and three months if they work with the United States, which is much faster than the estimated nine months it would take the Obama administration to go at it alone. The major stumbling block is a protectionist piece of legislation called the Jones Act which requires that all goods transported by water between U.S. ports be carried in U.S.-flag ships, constructed in the United States, owned by U.S. citizens, and crewed by U.S. citizens. But, in an emergency, this law can be temporarily waived, as DHS Secretary Michael Chertoff did after Katrina. Each day our European allies are prevented from helping us speed up the cleanup is another day that Gulf fishing and tourism jobs die."

Posted by: A_lite_to_the_blind | June 18, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse


MEANWHILE - THE PRESS UNDER-COVERS THE STORY THAT OBAMA DID A YEAR-LONG REVIEW OF OFFSHORE DRILLING - AND OBAMA SHOULD HAVE MADE SURE MMS DID THE SAFETY INSPECTIONS CORRECTLY.


AND THE MEDIA DROPPED THE ROMANOFF SCANDAL


THE SESTEK SCANDAL


THE OBAMA - JARRETT OFFER TO BLAGO WITH THE UNION OFFICIAL SCANDAL


AND THE WHOLE TRUTH THAT OBAMA SHOULD HAVE A RICO CHARGE AGAINST HIM.

Anyway..........

And the democrats say "it's not the end of this"

Such hypocrisy from the democrats - nothing they say has any credibility any more.

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Even if there is no SPECIAL PROSECUTOR TO INVESTIGATE THE CRIMES OF OBAMA, they can still be investigated after Obama leaves office.


Obama should be tried for THE SESTAK-ROMANOFF- BLAGO RICO ACCUSATIONS.

Clearly, Obama has a RICO allegation there.


IT'S NOT THE END OF THIS.

OBAMA MIGHT GO TO JAIL AFTER HE LEAVES OFFICE.

CRIMINALS LIKE THIS HAVE TO BE PROSECUTED.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 18, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

What's up with Joe Barton? Doesn't he know you're NEVER supposed to admit in public that the Republican Party's sole reason for existence for over thirty years has been "Corporations Over Country"?

What's next...Joe Barton publicly apologizing to Wall Street for not giving them enough Republican tax breaks for shipping American jobs overseas?

GOP bosses Limbaugh and Beck better get this guy under control. He's a loose cannon.

Posted by: wilder5121 | June 18, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

People are so anxious to say anything bad about the President they don’t even have time to check any facts,

>>>>>>>>>>>>

On the contrary. he was given a full year to show what he was capable of doing with a free pass from the voters and the press. It was only when the immense failures began to stack up and the only response to every situation was, in order, a speech, a commission, a summit, a slush fund, a new tax, an unpopular law, some golf, a party, spend your money, another speech, nothing else!

Even now the immense failures of this present ident are being disguised by the willing lackeys of the left.

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 18, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

For all you democrats who thought that electing Obama would help our international standing : HOW MUCH MORE WRONG CAN YOU BE ?

The African official from THE AFRICAN NATION OF MALI robbed the US of a win today in the World Cup.

A goal was diallowed - and the official WOULDN'T EVEN SAY WHAT THE FOUL WAS, OR WHO IT WAS ON.


Anyway, the democrats are HURTING THIS NATION.

ALL THEIR IDEAS HAVE EITHER NOT WORKED OR HAVE BEEN DISCREDITED.

Obama is a failure.


AND NOW BIRDS ARE DYING BECAUSE OF OBAMA'S INCOMPENTENCE IN MANAGING HIS OWN ENERGY POLICY AND MMS.

If you voted for Obama, you are responsible for the Oil Spill too.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 18, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I have not come to bury Rep Joe Barton, but to praise him for his initial public response to the extortionist greed of Obama's administration. It is rare indeed that we commoners see one who is willing to proclaim the truth, even if for only a brief moment.

Sadly, the bureaucrats used the same form of collective extortion to force Barton to withdraw his apology to BP. How pathetic that only one of our elected representatives showed any sense of moral outrage as these events unfolded. The dogs of greed and power closed ranks and using the only tools at their disposal, gained the silence of one of their members, lest the whole world would discover their crimes. Surely, their Silver and Gold will perish with them.

There is no doubt that BP has a tremendous liability for the present mess in the Gulf. There is no doubt that this will most certainly cost them dearly. And there is no doubt that Obama's arrogance in failing to respond to this crisis in the Gulf has greatly exacerbated and enlarged this calamity to tremendous proportions far beyond what it should have been.

ONE must ask; Was Obama's failure to respond merely gross incompetence or was it intentional? If he had failed to act during the first 8 days, following the blow out of the well head, I would tend to think that it was merely incompetence, but to wait for nearly two months to attack this problem declares that he is not only grossly incompetent, but maliciously culpable.

Posted by: A_lite_to_the_blind | June 18, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

MEANWHILE - THE PRESS UNDER-COVERS THE STORY THAT OBAMA DID A YEAR-LONG REVIEW OF OFFSHORE DRILLING - AND OBAMA SHOULD HAVE MADE SURE MMS DID THE SAFETY INSPECTIONS CORRECTLY.

AND THE MEDIA DROPPED THE ROMANOFF SCANDAL


THE SESTEK SCANDAL

THE OBAMA - JARRETT OFFER TO BLAGO WITH THE UNION OFFICIAL SCANDAL

AND THE WHOLE TRUTH THAT OBAMA SHOULD HAVE A RICO CHARGE AGAINST HIM.


Anyway..........


And the democrats say "it's not the end of this"


Such hypocrisy from the democrats - nothing they say has any credibility any more.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 18, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

TO: LETFREEDOMRING2 who wrote:
“Obama plays Robin Hood by forcing BP to turn over 20 billion dollars to a private Czar who will dole it out in any way he sees fit…”

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Everybody who has listened to the news in the last 48 hours knows from your first sentence that you’re on the wrong track.

The “czar” that’s handling the claims from the victims of the Gulf Oil Spill is the same “czar” that Bush used to distribute money to the 9/11 families.

As for “force”, nobody is “forcing” any of those Red States Gulf Oil Survivors to take ANY of that money, and nobody is “forcing” Republicans to make any claims for any money.

Practice what you preach, take care of yourselves, by yourselves.
Handle your problems on your own.

People are so anxious to say anything bad about the President they don’t even have time to check any facts, or maybe that’s their whole purpose, to make sure they keep telling lies about the President.


Posted by: lindalovejones | June 18, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

OILY GOP BP APOLOGISTS: NOT JUST BARTON -- BACHMANN, PALIN, BLOOMBERG, BUCHANAN, CHRISTIE, ETC. ETC.

Now even right-wing TV pundits Pat Buchanan and former Cheney aide Ron Christie are running to BP's defense, defending Joe Barton -- Buchanan now says he's no longer a Republican.

Extremism in the defense of BP IS a VICE -- and it's political suicide. What an unexpected bounty for President Obama and the Dems. The odds on Harry Reid and Pelosi continue to improve.

And the poster below employing the Robin Hood meme to rip Obama: Robin Hood is a mythical hero for a reason. You might want to come up with a better analogy.

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Gulf oil spill diverts attention from domestic atrocities against American citizens...

HOMELAND FUSION CENTERS SILENTLY ASSAULT, IMPAIR 'TARGETED' AMERICANS WITH CELL TOWER MICROWAVE RADIO FREQUENCY WEAPON SYSTEM, COMMUNITY VIGILANTISM, FINANCIAL SABOTAGE: VETERAN JOURNALIST

Are political leaders "targets" too?

http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves
http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america
OR NowPublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | June 18, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Having compassion for those who are directly or indirectly impacted by the "accident" which occurred in the Gulf is a human emotion and we all certainly share in that emotion. Bartons comments were not due to his lack of compassion for those so affected, but in his resentment of Obama's disregard for the due process of law in obtaining funds from BP through political strong arming methods.

No one is stating that those who suffer loss or the cost of this tragic accident, either through happenstance or through human neglect and error, does not ultimately rest with BO, but to extort money from BP when the US Justice Dept under Eric Holder is preparing a federal law suit against BP is unconscionable and borders on criminality.

The fact that Obama's gross incompetence in responding to this eco disaster is not excused by his aggressive and heavy handed attack of BP in an effort to shift or somehow minimalize his involvement in exacerbating this problem of containment!

Posted by: A_lite_to_the_blind | June 18, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Mr Svanberg and Mr Hayward were told that either they agreed to set up the multi-billion pound escrow account - or the Americans would rush through laws to force them.
Announcing the freeze on dividends, Mr Svanberg tried to smooth over troubled waters, saying BP and the U.S. government were 'fully aligned' in handling the crisis.
He said: 'We made it clear to the President that words are not enough. We understand that we will and we should be judged by our actions.'
BP has cancelled the first-quarter payment that was due on June 21. Mr Svanberg said the second and third quarter dividends would be suspended - a major blow for Britain's pension funds.
The move will also hit American investors. While 40 per cent of BP's major shareholders are in Britain, Americans have a 39 per cent stake in the multi-national company.
BP also reportedly has twice as many American as British employees.
TODAY our president flew to Ohio burning the fossil fuel he so hates every day of the week, and spoke to workers who were not paid for the day and whose check will be short next payday. They were forced off the job by the Secret Service.

Thanks Mr. President. You sure have pity on the working man...not!

Posted by: LETFREEDOMRING2 | June 18, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Republicans have some nerve, they ran the country into the ground and are sitting back while Democrats clean up their mess, and pretending in front of their robot followers that they didn't have a thing to do with anything that's wrong, and they haven't had anything to offer in the way of fixing anything they destroyed.

Anybody crazy enough to vote for the likes of Barton or any of the rest of those no-nothings deserves a swift kick in the back side.

If President Obama wasn't in office, those people would just have to move out of Louisiana because there would be no help for them, just apologies to Big Oil for the "little people" getting in their way.

Posted by: lindalovejones | June 18, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Obama plays Robin Hood by forcing BP to turn over 20 billion dollars to a private Czar who will dole it out in any way he sees fit.
There is not even the appearance of propriety here. BP could have offered to do this on their own after a meeting of their Board of Directors and their shareholders could have brought an action to stop them. But the CEO etc were extorted, or shaken down by the White House thugs who want to divert attention from their malfeasance in shutting down new drilling putting tens of thousands out of work and making
BP pay up to a hundred million dollars damages that were caused by Obama's orders not by BP.
The Fifth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States forbids the taking of property without due process of law. There was no due process here, just thuggery as exercised by Al Capone whose lifetime record of extortion by force or fear is next to this Obama heist a drop of oil in the ocean.

Posted by: LETFREEDOMRING2 | June 18, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Present ident shuk and jive has arrived at a place he was not prepared for. Now he IS capable at the ole shakedown thing, paying off operatives with cash and political favors. the only problem is that in this situation some actual action was called for and never rendered. In fact, berry mostly just got in the way of people who knew what they were doing.

a day or two after liberals got done making fun of Sarah Palin for calling for aid from the Dutch, the commander in sheep did just that, reversing an earlier error.

Now can some liberal tell me how deregulation by bush caused this, yet, berry sends in the attorneys to prosecute for supposedly breaking regulations???

Hmmmm. Liberal thought seems to be very limited in most cases. Except for new methods of extortion. On that, they are geniuses. Dear Leader Comrade Zero will subvert the law whenever needed to obtain the necessary cover from the press to hide his incompetency. but I think just about everyone sees it now. Even tingly legs and kookoo keith see it. Just how utterly out to lunch do you have to be to still support the socialist ways of this bungler?

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 18, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Barton's comments can't help but hurt the Republican Party. What he said is proof that his party is in the pockets of big business and doesn't care a bit about the people of this country. It's really sad to see what the Republican Party has become - a bunch of selfish politicians who are looking out for themselves only. Apologize to BP? Disgusting!

Posted by: CRinVegas | June 18, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Pasted previously by drindl but perfect here:

Full-body press on the gargantuan rightwing propaganda machine to support Barton and try to legitimize his position. As usual, the ignorati will fall in line, as you can see from this board [and will see even more of later when the crackheads wake up]

"Rep. Joe Barton (R-TX) has been widely condemned for telling BP executives yesterday that he is “sorry” for the Obama administration’s “shakedown” of their company, which resulted in a $20 billion escrow fund help Gulf families suffering from the oil spill. While the Republican leadership realized the potential political fallout and quickly distanced themselves from Barton’s comments, right-wing pundits rushed to Barton’s defense:

– PAT BUCHANAN: “Barton made a very courageous statement in my judgment. … To have anyone stand up and even indirectly defend [BP] and say that they were a victim of a shakedown shows some political courage.”

– INGRAHAM: “I think Joe Barton, before he apologized, had a legitimate point.”

– NAPOLITANO: “That is a classic shakedown. The threat to do something that you don’t have the authority to do. ”

– KILMEADE: “One Congressman calling the BP compsensation fund a ’shakedown,’ but does he have a point?”

– GINGRICH: “The president is directly engaged in extorting money from a company.”

– VARNEY: “It is Hugo Chavez-like, is it not? To sieze a private company’s assets.”

Watch a compilation of conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, Fox News analyst Laura Ingraham, Fox News Business host Andrew Napolitano, Fox and Friends host Brian Kilmeade, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, Fox News Business host Stuart Varney, and right-wing radio host Mark Levin:

http://thinkprogress.org/

Posted by: BobSanderson | June 18, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Dems need something like this on an economic issue. I don't think BP d*ck sucking is going to sway a ton of votes. Something akin to the fundamentals of the economy are good. They need to nail Republicans on finreg.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 18, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

“But, will the Barton storyline have legs beyond the Sunday talk shows?”

The only people who will be affected by this story come fall will be D. This is not a bad thing since it may energize more to vote. I would say vast majority of I and R will soon forget. If the clean-up efforts were well organized and the administration was handling the situation well maybe the story would have a few more legs, but the reality is the government response has been inept at times and poorly coordinated with every agency making calls without consulting other agencies. It has been a bureaucratic nightmare, which would have occurred under a R watch as well just given the enormity of the disaster. However, the public normally blames the one in power for mishaps such as these. While D will try and milk this story, the reality is if the economy stays in the doldrums no one will really care what Barton said back in June.

Posted by: sliowa1 | June 18, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

wow, liberals are really desperate to cover up for Obunglers ineptitude.

It's not going to be easy.

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 18, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

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