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A High Note for Giuliani

Giuliani is always on his best footing when talking about the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and their aftermath.

After Rep. Ron Paul (Texas) essentially insinuated that America had provoked those attacks, Giuliani leapt in. "That is an extraordinary statement," he said. "I've heard some pretty absurd explanations for Sept. 11."

He went on to call on Paul to rescind his statement, which the congressman chose not to do.

It was a rare moment of raw emotion for Giuliani, and a good one.

By Chris Cillizza  |  May 15, 2007; 10:13 PM ET
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Posted by: 5vqy9xfn3i | June 5, 2007 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Giuliani is an ignorant fool, and so are all who applauded his outburst toward Ron Paul. Why does Osama bin Laden dislike
the US; because of US meddling in Arab affairs. And that is
the reason that Osama had (and still does have) to plan and carry out attacks against the US.

Posted by: R M Kraus | May 20, 2007 1:36 AM | Report abuse

Giuliani is an ignorant fool, and so are all who applauded his outburst toward Ron Paul. Why does Osama bin Laden dislike
the US; because of US meddling in Arab affairs. And that is
the reason that Osama had (and still does have) to plan and carry out attacks against the US.

Posted by: R M Kraus | May 20, 2007 1:36 AM | Report abuse

Hmmmmm - Fox News owned by News Corp & News Corp client of Giuliani company.

Same Giuliani company has overseas client who 's involved in building the NAFTA superhighway, if that too can be snuck past the American people like they're trying to sneak 20 million illegals in this week.

Ron Paul not in any body's pocket. Hmmmmm. If I had to take a guess, I'd have to guess that this man is sincere, good for America, and the only choice for us as a nation, bar none. What have the Dems or Repubs done for YOU LATELY?

Posted by: MIForRonPaulcom | May 18, 2007 4:15 AM | Report abuse

We're mad as Hell and we won't take it anymore. Another unintended blowback for Washington's foreign policy: a populist revolution.

Vote Ron Paul 2008

Posted by: Chris Snively | May 17, 2007 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Rudy used a classic Fox move. Misquote and demand an apology, if no apology, you must be wrong or just plain crazy...

Fox must have special pre-debate classes for the "chosen" taught by the masters Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity.

It is a sad day in America when the Washington Post and Fox News have the same journalistic integrity.

Posted by: William | May 17, 2007 12:53 AM | Report abuse

Chris, you are a joke!

Posted by: Jason | May 17, 2007 12:42 AM | Report abuse

Wow, I can't believe there is a blog on here supporting a misquote. Where have all the journalist gone?

Posted by: jon seale | May 17, 2007 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Certainly NOT my take. I thought that Rudy looked like he was undergoing a demonic possession. I've never listened to Ron Paul before but I thought that he was making the point that the reason we were attacked was not so simplistic. I was waiting for the foam to spill from his mouth. I'm an Independent, he has sooo lost me.

Posted by: militaryfamily | May 16, 2007 9:56 PM | Report abuse

You gotta hand it to Ron Paul for having the testicular fortitude to say what he said about our foreign policy being at least partially to blame for 9/11, but how long is Rudy going to be allowed to play this indignant wounded soldier of antiterrorism gag? Give me a break! I give him full credit for managing the rescue and recovery of the city after the attack, but this garbage about "electing the Democrats and we go back on defense" is almost as sickening as when the Bushies pulled that stuff on Kerry in '04, and I don't think that the country will be fooled by this red-meat jingoistic nonsense again. Besides, Newt and/or Thompson -- if they quit waiting around for their coronations -- are going to get in this race and savage Rudy over his gay rights and abortion rights stances, and get the far right all fired up, as they usually are, come primary time. It really doesn't matter, anyway; after the hash that Bush and Cheney have made of things since 1/20/01, any Democrat besides Kucinich and Gravel should wipe the floor with whomever is the last GOP man standing.
If the Dems can't win in '08, they really are finished as a major presidential party, and I say that as a Hubert Humphrey Dem, who has never, ever voted for a Republican for president -- and, believe me, I was sorely tested a few times (remember Mike Dukakis?)...

Posted by: Mike | May 16, 2007 5:36 PM | Report abuse

It is frankly amazing to me how many comments suggest that our foreign policy be influenced by the reactions (or, more aptly, the threats) we receive in response. How soon will it be before activists start suicide bombing American interests because we aren't providing enough funding to combat third world poverty? Given the mindset of this discussion, that certainly seems like an effective means of impacting the policy of the United States.

Posted by: Wow | May 16, 2007 5:11 PM | Report abuse

I really find it astonishing that the mainstream media so quickly dismisses their own polling mechanisms when someone they don't like is shown to be favored by the American people. Instead of their ignorant, big government horses in the race.

The MSNBC poll captured IP addresses, and the Fox texting poll probably (or at least should have) had a record of all phone numbers that called in. I am sure in both cases it was 1 vote per IP address or phone number. Yet when the numbers turn out in a way they don't like, their response is "that does not count", "that does not say much"... they are scared that true freedom is trying to show up and might actually gain traction.

Go Dr. Paul, GO!!!!

Posted by: Thor | May 16, 2007 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Rudi embarrassed himself by misquoting and attacking Dr. Paul. If it were such a "high note", how could Ron Paul take 25% to Rudi's 19% in the post-debate Fox news survey? You're suggesting that the media designated "front runner" put the 1% Ron Paul in his place, and yet lost to him in the post-debate poll, on Fox News of all places?!

Ron Paul is for real. He's a man of extreme integrity in a crowd of pro-globalists fighting to see who can be the next guy to destroy our freedoms at home, dismantle the constitution, and weaken even further our standing in the international community. Ron Paul has been in federal politics longer than any other candidate and his voting record is consistent with everything he says.

Posted by: Joe Naab | May 16, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I am appalled that the Washington Post has made such a hard break for the war party, honestly, I could expect this from the Washington Times, but not the post. You guys are supposed to be respectable.

It's not that the US invited the attacks, no one ever invites violence upon them self. But we certainly gave the Muslim crazies a legion of excuses to rationalize their immoral conduct.

Posted by: Brutus | May 16, 2007 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Every pole taken in nyc shows that most new yorkers DO NOT want Guiliani for president. Ron Paul actually spoke the truth. Ahh refreshing truth, it feels like a sweet nectar in my ears. So many lies from the likes of Guiliani for so long. Ron Paul is the man!

Posted by: dogmatic | May 16, 2007 12:04 PM | Report abuse

O'Brien!! OHhhhhhh Brien!!!!!!!!! I guess you did not see the debate yesterday! or may be you were too sleepy...giuliani did speak firmly about what he believed in...but he spoke when he wasn't even asked for it!! Thats NOT what a debate is about.......

Posted by: repocrat | May 16, 2007 11:52 AM | Report abuse

This is classic Giuliani. Romney, McCain maybe better technical boxers, but when the gloves come off my money is on Rudy.

While other candidates are thinking through the ramifications of what to say, Rudy is stating firmly what he believes.

Posted by: James O'Brien | May 16, 2007 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Giuliani just demonstrated last night how uninformed he is regarding foreign policy. his cheap shot at Ron paul was uncalled for and only exposed him as a knee jerk opportunist. Thank God a politician like Ron Paul exists and is running for president.

Posted by: Gene T. | May 16, 2007 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Also, good job by Fox News to get applause for Rudy on a 'misquoted' statement.

Posted by: vishal | May 16, 2007 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I certainly agree with Jim and most of the people here. I was at the debate yesterday. Dr. Paul was correct in his statement. Rudy Gulliani is the one who misquoted him. He should apologize and not Dr. Paul. Rudy never answered any question, just spoke about all the issues he has in his mind. Ron said the truth and people know about it, just do not want to talk about it. It is the American government who invited the attacks, not the American people. Who cares if Ron speaks far left or right, all it matters is that he supports what is right for the country!

Posted by: vishal | May 16, 2007 11:01 AM | Report abuse

A high note? More like the same old song and dance. Seriously, Rudy Giuliani interrupts the debate to make a derisive comment that contains no substance.

Seemingly, the only worthwhile thing we gain from Giuliani's "objection" is evidence that he either never read any of the official government reports concerning the attacks, or is now conveniently forgetting them in the name of political theatrics.

One line quips don't equal substance, cute maybe, but not substance.

Posted by: Ray | May 16, 2007 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Cillizza, will you please do your job?

Ron Paul articulated EXACTLY what the CIA has told us. Muslims are not joining the ranks of al Queda and launching suicide attacks because we vote or have the Bill of Rights. They hate us because of our policies in their region. They are over here because we are over there.

Does that justify running airplanes into buildings? No. Paul did not say that. But, we must know our enemy and what motivates the enemy if we are going to win.

Giuliani may have showed "raw emotion," but he is wrong. Paul has the CIA on his side. Giuliani cites the fact he was mayor of New York on September 11. How does that give him any insight on what motivates the terrorists?

The press used to be an idependent fact finder and hold politicians accountable for their misstatements of fact. Cillizza did not do that. Instead, he reports on Giuliani's "raw emotion."

Will someone in the press at least question Bush's and Giuliani's often repeated claim that the terrorists attacked us because of our freedom? It is a lie, and they know it. And they get a free ride because the press isn't doing it's job.

A frustrated conservative,
Joe

Posted by: Joe | May 16, 2007 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone have a link to current poll numbers? The most recent I have seen are from BEFORE the two republican debates. It would be nice to see how the numbers changed.

Posted by: katie | May 16, 2007 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Actually, the point of the Ron Paul campaign is that the left-right divide is a bunch of nonsense. (Centrism is usually the worst of both worlds rather than the best.) Dr. Paul's awfully far right on a lot of things--like spending, taxes, etc. And he seems far left on some others--end the war, stop the drug war, cut off corporate subsidies. Sounds like a uniter to me--and I'd bet money that most of the country agrees with him on the issues.

Posted by: Kate Rick | May 16, 2007 10:01 AM | Report abuse

E Shelman: You need to learn to spell genius before you start raving and ranting about how great Giuliani is. But, you are exactly right when you scream (capitalize) that we don't need a far left or far right. Dr. Ron Paul is the one man that can bring both sides of this country together, if only the military industrial-cons could be sidelined.

Ron Paul is our last hope to avoid the Police State Control Grid. Isn't anyone else against a biometric ID card that all other 9 seem to be so proud of?

Posted by: Jon | May 16, 2007 9:56 AM | Report abuse

"Absolutely not. Rep. Paul never stated that the 911 attacks were brought upon us. He merely stated that actions have consequences. Our presence and support of Israel does have an unintended consequence. Our support in the 80's for the Mujahideen in Afghanistan has had an unintended consequence in propping up Osama bin Laden. We prop up dictators such as Saddam Hussein and Pres. Musharraf when it pleases us."

This is true. We all need to recognize that our meddling in foreign nations is something Conservatives supported strongly in 2000 when Bush was elected. Have we really developed an attitude after Sept 11th that we need to run amok in nations around the world to prevent another attack. I don't think so. We do need to make friends around the world and at the same time realize that there are dangerous actors out there. Ron Paul would make a great independent candidate but the fact that there is no support outside the two main parties makes that a non-starter. Hopefully, he can pull an effort similar to Joe Lieberman and get enough face time as a Republican to run a worthwhile effort as an independent. At the least he should attempt to take votes away from the two main parties and in doing so force them to consider his views to win those voters back.

Posted by: kop | May 16, 2007 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Okay, last comment for today. In a correction, I meant to say "centrist" with regard to Giuliani.

Second, don't act like Fox didn't conduct a fair debate. Guys at 1% like Paul and others just take valuable time away from those who stand a chance. Fox also DID ask some pretty hard questions of Giuliani, such as "Does your stance on abortion, gun control, gay marriage. etc really paint you as a conservative? How do you answer that?" And when Rudy DIDN'T answer it, they came back at him again, giving him a chance to answer it. What are you all looking for, anyway? I'm angry at the conservatives who won't give him a chance because of his abortion and gun views -- they'll force a great President out because he's not "far right" enough. We DO NOT NEED FAR RIGHT OR FAR LEFT RIGHT NOW!!!!!!! How hard is it to understand that we need someone who can get these two sides working together to move this country forward. Period.

Posted by: E Shelman | May 16, 2007 9:18 AM | Report abuse

I also assume most of the bloggers here believe that the MSNBC debate was better? If that's the case, then you completely invalidate your opinions here. Paul is a kook, and would look like a kook to the rest of the world. (since you're all so concerned with world opinion)

We need a Giuliani in office because he is more centris than the others - he is socially moderate, which would please much of the Democrat base, and he's still strong on cutting taxes, reducing crime, and defending America. Who do you want? Hillary? Obama? Far left vs. No Experience. Sounds good! Answer that question: BESIDES Ron Paul, who is YOUR choice for President of the current candidates? Easy question.

Posted by: E Shelman | May 16, 2007 8:57 AM | Report abuse

All you people talking about Ron Paul and his "genious" -- sorry if you think I'm putting words in your mouths, but saying he's 50 years ahead of any candidates is dumb - should support him! You see he's at 1% in the polls. With these moronic views, he just may win!

Posted by: E Shelman | May 16, 2007 8:52 AM | Report abuse

"Classic right-winger gambit: Rudy misquoted Ron Paul, and then demanded that Ron Paul renounce the misquote. The Fox News crowd was very pleased. That's their stock in trade."

I agree wholeheartedly, and I'm as conservative as they come. It's sad to see the vile and hate on 'conservative' blogs. The Republican Party no longer represents the Goldwater/Teddy Roosevelt ideals. If Ron Paul is unable to secure the nomination, I urge everyone to vote either Constitution Party or Libertarian Party.

Posted by: Braden | May 16, 2007 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Giuliani's attitude shines throught like the typcal paranoid New Yorker that he is. He's the liberals Republican.

Posted by: Newark | May 16, 2007 8:35 AM | Report abuse

By the way, could someone tell me the difference between a Goldwater Republican and a Rockefeller Republican?

Posted by: Aussie view | May 16, 2007 4:50 AM | Report abuse

Screw anything that Rupert Murdoch owns. He's a propaganda feeding scum bag, and everyone knows that. Fox News better stop being so cruel to Ron Paul, they are basically proving how one sided they are.

Posted by: Charles | May 16, 2007 4:47 AM | Report abuse

"Absolutely not. Rep. Paul never stated that the 911 attacks were brought upon us. He merely stated that actions have consequences. Our presence and support of Israel does have an unintended consequence. Our support in the 80's for the Mujahideen in Afghanistan has had an unintended consequence in propping up Osama bin Laden. We prop up dictators such as Saddam Hussein and Pres. Musharraf when it pleases us."

I haven't seen the debate and don't necessarily think that much of Ron Paul, but he is right on this one if that's what he said.

Posted by: Aussie view | May 16, 2007 4:46 AM | Report abuse

Count on both Fox and Giuliani to play on the 'terrorist' trump card - Giuliani when mentioning the Fort Dix 6, and Fox when posing the hypothetical question on the suicide bomber attack on the U.S.A.

My question to America is this: We've been consistently conditioned by the media and government to expect and watch out for 'terrorists'. So much that we've freely given up Constitutional freedoms for 'higher security'. Where are these terrorists - don't they know that are southern borders are wide open? If you can't keep a migrant worker, housekeeper, or gardener from entering our country, what makes you think that well-funded, persistent terrorist can be kept out? No bombers is five years...Hmmmmmm - maybe the threat is not as great as we've been led to believe.

Posted by: MIForRonPaul | May 16, 2007 3:45 AM | Report abuse

Congressman Paul was simply re-stating facts that were already brought forward by 9-11 Commission (remember that Giuliani?) and the CIA. I thought is was simply PRESIDENTIAL to see him, under virtual enemy fire, keep his cool, stand his ground, and remain reasonable. Seeing Giuliani visibly upset by Congressman Paul's statement forced a picture in my mind of an angry President Giuliani with his finger on the nuke button. We don't need hot heads in the White House - we need a statesman with integrity. Dr. Paul, after much research, fill the bill better than any candidate, from any party, and will change the direction of our nation for the better.

Posted by: Bill Kosloskey | May 16, 2007 3:35 AM | Report abuse

It was a huge strategic mistake for Giuliani to question Ron Paul on this issue. It was much more effective for Giuliani and the other "top" candidates (the ones doing the best in the Gallup polls) to simply ignore Paul for as long as they could: he was polling at barely 1%, for god's sake!

Now his name will be all over the front page, and I personally couldn't be happier about that. More people will learn about Paul's ideas, and some will even agree with them.

Posted by: bumbledraven | May 16, 2007 3:25 AM | Report abuse

The 7-10, you wrote: "I really respect Ron Paul. Unfortunately, his thinking places him about 50 years ahead of where America actually is."

Actually, his thinking places him about 230 years BEHIND where America actually is... :p

Posted by: bumbledraven | May 16, 2007 3:19 AM | Report abuse

Rudy's pathetic tough guy routine is wearing thin. But then again, what else is he going to talk about? His support for taxpayer funded abortions? His contempt for the Second Amendment? As a Goldwater Republican, I couldn't have been prouder of the job Ron Paul did tonight. The neo-cons have hijacked the party. It's time for us conservatives to take it back.

Posted by: Scott Learn | May 16, 2007 3:06 AM | Report abuse

Rudy showed his ignorance when he attacked Dr. Paul. Dr. Paul simply stated a matter of fact about "blow back". Moreover, Dr. Paul is for a strong national defense not offense, so it is unlikely that Dr. Paul would cower down in the face of terrorism as president.

Posted by: sams_choice | May 16, 2007 2:54 AM | Report abuse

I'm a Republican and I'm very impressed with Ron Paul. Wow! This guy has guts! And he speaks the truth.

Posted by: Mitch Cohen | May 16, 2007 2:53 AM | Report abuse

Ron Paul showed a lot of courage in refusing to back down tonight. I hope his tracking numbers go up and he stays in the race. Wouldn't it be great to have an honest President for even just one term?

Posted by: Eric | May 16, 2007 2:44 AM | Report abuse

Ron Paul didn't say America caused 9/11. America, and it's government are two separate things. Listen to his post-debate talk with Hannity. The American people in 9/11 were the victims. But our GOVERNMENTS foreign policy was certainly a contributer.

I was stationed in Saudi Arabia between the Gulf wars when they bombed the dorms (Khobar tower) that I had stayed in the prior week. They didn't want us there, and our presence there had nothing to do with protecting America.

Ron Paul is a brave man for standing up to the neo-cons, and trying to educate us all. He may say stuff people don't want to hear, but that doesn't mean it's true.

Posted by: Jim | May 16, 2007 1:38 AM | Report abuse

Look, Ron Paul laid it on the line tonight. This is what he supports, a non- interventionist foreign policy. He supports it because he thinks its cheaper, because it will lead to less government and fewer lives lost. But it will also mean great disruptions to those whose lives are wrapped up in the military- security-industrial complex, the neocons and other globalists who rather like to plant the U.S. flag all across the globe.

That's the choice America has to make, either interventionism or non- interventionism. It's the choice the GOP has to make. Having Paul in the campaign helps the clarify this choice in stark terms.

Ron Paul didn't insinuate anything Chris. He told the truth. An interventionist foreign policy has real consequences as 3,000 people found out on 9-11. They were the innocent victims of madmen, both Islamic, neoconservative and globalist.

Posted by: Sean Scallon | May 16, 2007 1:23 AM | Report abuse

Razor: First, regarding Ron Paul, many voters can agree and disagree with a candidate per topic. Try it.

Second, you invalidated your own argument. If 'they' hate us for being 'infidels,' their hate is independent of our freedom. By your logic, 'they' would hate us just the same whether we are free infidels or unfree infidels.

Posted by: Scott in PacNW | May 16, 2007 1:11 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: jojo | May 16, 2007 1:03 AM | Report abuse

I love seeing all the hype about Ron Paul. I only hope Liberals realize that Libertarianism means more freedom. I would like to hear Dr. Paul clarify some of his so called "racist" comments about african americans and crime. Maybe his abortion views would have be a hard sell to liberals. Other than that he is who i will vote for, even as a democrat

Posted by: Anonymous | May 16, 2007 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Good lord is it heartening to see so many kind remarks for Dr. Paul. I was raised a Democrat, became an Independent 6 years ago, and I will register Republican this year so I can vote for Ron Paul in the primary.

IMO, the major challenge facing his campaign is not issue-based; rather, it's the pessimism of the people, who tend to believe that too few know the truth. But look around--look at what happens to the polls, no matter how the big guys try to discredit them. As one group of Paul supporters say, "Let history show that 2008 was the year the people saved America."

Posted by: Kate Rick | May 16, 2007 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Ron Paul "The Peoples President"

I think what Fox did was shameful. Goes without saying desperate people use desperate measures.

Posted by: riteyrite | May 16, 2007 12:08 AM | Report abuse

"Raw emotion"? Chris, come back to us.

Rudy is nothing without his tough guy persona. Was he really going to not throw a hissyfit over Paul? To pass up the opportunity to look really mad (like he wanted to fight, really) would have been a blunder.

Rudy's no fool, as he'd have to be to be genuinely angry at Paul for what he said.

Posted by: lowellfield | May 15, 2007 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Giuliani resorted to name calling instead of logic in an atempt to discredit Ron. Paul. Unfortunately the two were not allowed to continue their discussion as fox decided to move forward with less important topics. It would have been nice to see the outcome. I don't understand why people would think that we can have the type of foreign policy that we do without any reprocussions from the rest of the world. Fox was obviously biased in the questioning during the debate. And to the person who said that Ron. Paul is 50 years ahead of where america actaully is.. I think think that is an unfortunate frame of mind as I consider him to be in the past of where america actually started from. Lets get back to the constitution. Thanks

Posted by: Mieth | May 15, 2007 11:49 PM | Report abuse

US President Tim Kalemkarian, US Senate Tim Kalemkarian, US House Tim Kalemkarian: best major candidate.

Posted by: anonymous | May 15, 2007 11:28 PM | Report abuse

I also think McCain helped himself. He was frenetic in the first debate, which detracted from his performance. I think that he looked calm and presidential in this debate.

I think the only think that might show up in a commercial is Romney, "I support the second amendment but support an assault weapons ban", I think Romney's presentation was very good as always, but some clips will hurt him later.

Posted by: Razorback | May 15, 2007 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Razorback, I see you agree with me about Rudy helping himself. Do you also think McCain helped himself? Is my indy position too far away from the R rank and file to read this?

Posted by: Mark in Austin | May 15, 2007 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Bravo to Dr.No, I live in NY and make sense what he said about 9/11. He should asked Rudy Where he was during that attack? Rumor was he knew and left his office where located at WTC II.He just posture guy.

Posted by: frank | May 15, 2007 11:19 PM | Report abuse

All the Ron Paul fans want to pretent he didnt propose abolishing Department of Education and some of this other far right positions.

Liberals get confused about the difference between what they want to happen, and what actually happened. Guiliani helped himself at Ron Pauls expence.

Posted by: Razorback | May 15, 2007 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Rudy's misquoting of Ron Paul was definitely the low point of the debate. Republicans have attacked the patriotism of Democrats who have spoken out against the war, and now they've turned their sights on fellow Republicans who speak out against the war.

The difference between Ron Paul and the other nine Republican presidential candidates is that the other nine talk about smaller government; Ron Paul actually believes in it.

Ron Paul told it as it is--Republicans opposed nation-building and policing the world during the 1990's; now they embrace it. Republicans vowed to cut government spending during the 1990's; in six years they've spent federal dollars at the fastest rate since the Johnson administration. They utter hypocrisy is astounding.

Posted by: nicrivera | May 15, 2007 11:11 PM | Report abuse

I really respect Ron Paul. Unfortunately, his thinking places him about 50 years ahead of where America actually is. He'd be a terrific president. I've never voted for a Republican before, but Ron Paul would change that.

Posted by: The 7-10 | May 15, 2007 11:06 PM | Report abuse

I've noticed that Fox news using their tactics to rule out Ron Paul. Very clever (for fox viewers).

Posted by: JY | May 15, 2007 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Ron Pauls logic is just too intelligent for average or most Americans. The roots of the terrorism is politically motivated and because of our foreign policy and it is not as simple as "they hate us".

Posted by: Jony | May 15, 2007 11:01 PM | Report abuse

I agree that Paul makes more sense than the rest,
and I would sure like Guiliani to answer the question, WHY were those two planes not inter-
cepted by jets?

Posted by: NMAIF | May 15, 2007 10:58 PM | Report abuse

J Lamb, they torture their OWN people for not wearing viels over their heads, for not wearing beards. We are "infidels" for our FREEDOM, not because of our foriegn policy.

Posted by: Razorback | May 15, 2007 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Ron Paul provided the most cogent non-interventionist argument I've seen on television in years. Utterly useful, really intriguing, and the GOP will eat him for his trouble.

Giuliani's "they hate us for our freedom" lines present a simplistic, infantile examination of the motivations for 9/11, while Paul offered a logical alternative view, steeped in Republican tradition. And the GOP will crucify him posthaste.

Posted by: J. Lamb | May 15, 2007 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Classic right-winger gambit: Rudy misquoted Ron Paul, and then demanded that Ron Paul renounce the misquote. The Fox News crowd was very pleased. That's their stock in trade.

Posted by: Scott in PacNW | May 15, 2007 10:37 PM | Report abuse

You really think that the fact that we support dictators(e.g., Sadam), overthrow democratically elected officials(e.g., Mosaddeq), fund Israel, have invaded two countries, are threatening to invade more and station troops near Islam's equivalent to the Vatican, Mecca, does not contribute terrorism??

Posted by: Allan Juranek | May 15, 2007 10:37 PM | Report abuse

"Who?"
Alan Keyes? (j/k)

Posted by: mrm0to | May 15, 2007 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Gov. Gilmore just said in response to a question from Chris Wallace about why there were no minority candidates running that there soon would be. Who?

Posted by: Patricia Barry | May 15, 2007 10:32 PM | Report abuse

I think McCain is doing very well and Giuliani is handling himself with self deprecating good humor. As an independent I find it difficult to "think like a Rep" [or a Dem] and perhaps the two of them are making points with me, but not with the R rank and file.

Razor, you are not R rank-and-file, but you are conservative - how do they appear to you?

Posted by: Mark in Austin | May 15, 2007 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Ron Paul simply blew the cover on the neo-cons and their contrived war. Every time Paul speaks he shows himself to be in line with what the American people want and are starting to realize.

Notice that Giuliani made no attempts to refute Ron Paul's facts and examples. Instead he responded by name calling.

Posted by: Daniel Bearden | May 15, 2007 10:24 PM | Report abuse

"Ron Paul ... insinuated that America had provoked [9/11]" um, yeah, that's a no.

Paul was making the point that there are American actions that motivate Islamic fundamentalists and terrorists and it behooves us to understand those motivations, irrational as they may be, as we attempt to "solve" this problem.

I was dissapointed but not surprised that the other candidates all wanted to get their 2 cents in w/out considering that there's some merit to the position.

Posted by: mrm0to | May 15, 2007 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely not. Rep. Paul never stated that the 911 attacks were brought upon us. He merely stated that actions have consequences. Our presence and support of Israel does have an unintended consequence. Our support in the 80's for the Mujahideen in Afghanistan has had an unintended consequence in propping up Osama bin Laden. We prop up dictators such as Saddam Hussein and Pres. Musharraf when it pleases us. The consequences of these actions do have unintended consequences. We as a nation do need to reflect upon the Constitution and the words of our Founding Fathers. This nation should not involve itself in the affairs of foreign nations or entangle itself in foreign alliances. We need to seek peaceful and beneficial relationships.

Posted by: gizmo | May 15, 2007 10:22 PM | Report abuse

That just bumped up Rudy in the polls.

Posted by: Ron | May 15, 2007 10:21 PM | Report abuse

you have a typo "Romney said" should be "Giuliani said"

Posted by: tal | May 15, 2007 10:18 PM | Report abuse

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