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Clinton's Departure a Bow to Reality

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's decision to depart the Democratic presidential campaign on Saturday is, in many ways, a bow to the inevitable reality of her situation. Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) crested the magic number of 2,118 delegates needed to formally sew up the nomination last night and throughout the day Clinton faced calls -- even from many of her past supporters -- to reconsider the race.

Clinton's decision to step aside marks a significant reversal from the tone she struck in New York City Tuesday night in which she congratulated Obama for all that he has accomplished but made no specific mention of his achieving the required delegates for the nomination. Instead, she touted her popular vote margin and said she had won the swing states that would add up to 270 electoral votes in the fall.

For Clinton, her decision to close the campaign ends a marathon contest that began in late 2006. Clinton entered the race as the presumptive frontrunner but saw her momentum sapped by a loss in Iowa to Obama and the increasing weight of the expectations of a campaign -- and a candidate -- long expected to be the party's presidential nominee.

As Clinton steps down from the presidential race, the talk of her as a vice presidential candidate heats up. It's not immediately clear whether Obama has any genuine desire to offer her the job. What does seem obvious is that Clinton has real interest in the post.

Saturday now becomes the day for which the Democratic Party has pined for months -- when one candidate, Obama, is recognized by his foe, Clinton, as the nominee and the effort to win back the White House in the fall can begin in earnest.

The event in Washington was originally scheduled for Friday but moved to the weekend to "accommodate more of Senator Clinton's supporters who want to attend," according to the campaign.

By Eric Pianin  |  June 4, 2008; 10:20 PM ET
Categories:  Eye on 2008  
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Hi folks.

Here are my two cents worth, and probably, most of you might think that I greatly overvalue my thoughts.

This has been a long primary, and both camps have become more like cults of personality then anything else. I have not seen anything lately on these blogs that espouses ideas as the basis of support for their candidate. However, the primary is over. This election is no longer about personalities, its about ideas and the direction you want our county to take. If you support McCain's ideas, then by all means vote for him. You have that right, and hundreds of thousand of heroic and idealistic Americans from all walks of life and political leanings have given their lives to guarantee you that right. But whatever you do, please, don't denigrate their noble sacrifice and cast your vote purely out of spite.

P.S.
One other thing on these blogs that blows my mind. I hear over and over again, that Obama won due to racism. OMG; tell me, how can a minority candidate, whose demographic is 12% of electorate, get the nomination of the party due to racism? Do you mean, that all the none-African Americans that voted for Obama are racists towards whites? I cannot believe that the people posting this kind of nonsense could find the time to post considering their busy schedule of still looking for WMDs in Iraq.

Posted by: Alex | June 5, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

If you read the "behind the scenes" stories that have just appeared in the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times (plus the video on NY Times), you see that the reason Hillary lost has little to do with external factors and much more to do with infighting on her team, poor management, hubris, underestimating the value of the caucuses, and overall bad strategy.

This idea of pointing at external factors to explain why she lost is incorrect and shows a lack of personal accountability.

Posted by: Brad | June 5, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

The point Obama needs to make on Saturday, both to heal wounds and to repudiate the pulpit of his former church, is that she IS entitled. She is entitled because millions of regular American citizens gave her their votes, and their dollars. They also gave her hours and devotion -- all in response to who she is, what she represents, and the policies she has advocated in the campaign and for years. He must straighten out the twisted rhetoric of hate which has dogged him despite who he is and what he says.

The Democratic Party needs both -- healing and The Candidate's words to set the record straight. No major party, and no major candidate in this country can be smeared with the vitriol of that speech and expect to represent the country.

Posted by: Jim Droste | June 5, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

My opinion is that Obama would probably offer Hillary the V.P. spot if it weren't for her husband, he's become too much of a risk. Also, there's this nasty little fraud trial that's going to start in Nov. against Bill and Hill (albeit after the election) , the repukes would use this up and down the airwaves among other things they might dig up on Bill's dealings since 2000.

It's sad because I used to say "If there was one person in the world I would like to meet and shake their hand it would be Bill Clinton", now, I couldn't shake his hand in good conscience.

Posted by: JR | June 5, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

TB:

Thank you for your comments. You're right! Of course as a Black woman, I have no idea what I am talking about with regard to identity politics. How could I? And, it would be thoughtless of me to conclude that your rhetoric along with the disregard for Black women voters by the Clintons appears to reflect the same patriarchal establishment that feminism was meant to eradicate. Therefore, it would also be wrong for me to question whether the Clinton campaign truly represented a progressive shift in terms of gender and race politics in America?

You are correct. I had no invitation or right to voice an opinion on this blog in terms of the primaries and the selection process, because as a Black woman, I am not a valid part of the electoral body.

In terms of the choice between Clinton and the Democratic Party--this is a scenario that HRC herself left her supporters with, not me!

I sincerely hope TB that you are not a real Democrat, rather a Republic blogger simply trying to confuse the Democratic base. Otherwise, we are in real trouble this November.

Posted by: Ain't I A Woman! | June 5, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

I wish there weren't hurt feelings in this race. The bitterness and vitriol of some of the comments saddens me. It's tough when your candidate doesn't win. It reminds me that "Every rose has its thorn..." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Every_Rose_Has_Its_Thorn

Posted by: CC DeVille | June 5, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

PAY NO ATTENTION TO MANY OF THE POSTS HERE, THEY ARE REPUBLICANS JUST TRYING TO STIR THINGS UP. Many of there post are copied and pasted from board to board you begin to recognize them after a while. Just step over them and ignore them as you would a pile of crap in the street.

Posted by: reality | June 5, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

AN OPEN LETTER TO HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTERS

I used to play professional sports and I always found it interesting how the fans took it so personal while to us it was just a job. Hillary is a professional politician. She knows how it works and as a candidate would do what ever she could to win the race.

But in the end, even though disappointed you can't lose sight of what the goals were. Like on a team, we all have the same goal regardless who carries the ball. Hillary knows this and believe me, it is not as personal to her as you may think. As important as winning to her was and as disappointed as she is, she knows where her loyalties must be now.

In the coming weeks emotions will come down and everybody will begin to have to rededicate themselves to the common goal of getting a democrat elected. Anything less is to disrespect your candidate and what she stands for. Take some time to get your thoughts together and then take a reality check.

It was never about getting the first black candidate elected, or getting the first woman elected, theses were just the dynamics that presented themselves, but they were never the issues or goals. We all share the same common goal weather we were for Hillary or Obama, a better country and future.

Hillary and Obama both stand for all of the same issues and ideas, our issues and ideas. Hillary is not going anywhere, she will be right there in the democratic party along side Obama fighting for us and what is important to us. This will not be possible if John Mccain is allowed to get into the white house.

All of Hillary's hard work and struggle will have been in vain, for nothing if this is allowed to happen. You know that and I know that. So let's take some time, get our emotions together, grieve a little if we must, but in the end let cooler heads prevail. We are all democrats.

We all share the same goals. Lets get that ball across the line in November and celebrate together as one. We owe it to our party, our country and most of all to Hillary. Lets make her proud and show we are all democrats.

Thank you
Sincerely
A loyal Hillary Clinton supporter

Posted by: hillary 08 | June 5, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

The biggest, most unpleasant surprise in this very long Democratic Presidential nomination race is how incredibly ignorant, obnoxious, self-absorbed and self-defeating Hillary Clinton supporters are. They are alternatively pathetic and dispicable. They call themselves "Democrats" --
but they have NO idea what the Democratic party stands for as far as policies go -- and they have been perfectly willing to fall for lies, and Clinton campaign propaganda, and be used as brainwashed tools of the Clintons to get back to the White House. They scream and rant and whine about sexism and media bias against Hillary -- and totally ignore the dispicable, racist gutter campaign Hillary Clinton has run since early March. They think that Hillary's gender overules any concern over a deceitful and illegal war in Iraq costing to-date the lives of over 4000 US soldiers, approx. a hundred thousand Iraqi lives, and 2/3 of a TRILLION dollars. Or concern over the US Constitution being trashed, or concern over dramatically rising energy costs, global warming, being in hock to the world by never-ending budget deficits, the economy hitting a brick wall, and the US being isolated and increasingly hated around the world.

No -- instead these Hillary voters are subjecting the rest of us to the infantile temper tantrums in which they proclaim their readiness -- which lately has turned into THEIR EAGERNESS -- to vote for John McCain.

Every true Democrat who has cursed the last 8 yrs as the US has continued to relentlessly dig itself into a very, very deep hole -- HATES every single one of U Clinton supporters.

Get out of the Democratic party, U loser morons!! Go join the Republican party, vote for them for the next 20 yrs -- and see what U get: exactly what the Reagan Democrats got yr after yr while voting for the GOP for the last 25 yrs -- a whole bunch of hot air!! A big fat zero!! BUPKISS!! All the while the GOP directs the nation's wealth toward the rich, and fattens up the wealthiest 1% of this country's population.

No wonder why the Karl Roves and Bush/Cheney's of this world laugh at U Clinton Democrats. U are not only losers, but U are incredibly stupid, as well.

Guess what -- the majority of the country this Nov. is going to vote for Obama, and the Democratic Party is going to win despite and without U.

The independent center of the country joined the Democrats in Nov. 2006 in ending Republican party control of Congress -- and those same people -- who unlike U sorry-azz Hillary supporters, actually care about this country -- are going to vote the Democratic party this Nov. as well.

Good riddance to nasty Clinton supporter trash!! On UR way out, don't let the door hit U where the good Lord split U.

Posted by: LesG | June 5, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

"Aint I A Woman":

You have no right nor any invitation to claim that gender discrimination had nothing to do with Clinton's demise. Idenity politics dictates that you are out of this discussion. You are blind to this issues because, as you put it, it's either Hillary or the Democratic Party. Reading your offensive blog tells me you would be signing off on the Party if Barack had lost. Isnt't that true?! Won't it be interseting to see what happens in Novemeber?!

Listen, you may talk about your experience but you may NOT disect Clinton. You have no understanding of this situation. So, stick to what you know and keep out of the conversation. You would be a fool to try to sound like you know what you're talking about. You clearly don't! We do not need your input. Leave it alone. You cannot possibly know what Clinton herself has experienced.

Posted by: TB | June 5, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

"Aint I A Woman":

You have no right nor any invitation to claim that gender discrimination had nothing to do with Clinton's demise. Idenity politics dictates that you are out of this discussion. You are blind to this issues because, as you put it, it's either Hillary or the Democratic Party. Reading your offensive blog tells me you would be signing off on the Party if Barack had lost. Isnt't that true?! Won't it be interseting to see what happens in Novemeber?!

Listen, you may talk about your experience but you may NOT disect Clinton. You have no understanding of this situation. So, stick to what you know and keep out of the conversation. You would be a fool to try to sound like you know what you're talking about. You clearly don't! We do not need your input. Leave it alone. You cannot possibly know what Clinton herself has experienced.

Posted by: TB | June 5, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

I can easily see how and why many Hillary supporters are so peed off by the way this has played these last few days. The SDs have gone against the will of the people in so many places, just here in WV Hillary won by a whopping 41% and yet our four SDS, two Senators and Two House members endorsed Obama. The Media played a huge role in their FALSE Reporting and twisting everything for the benefit of Obama and against Hillary and it continues today as I am watching TV. I have talked with several friends and each of them have stated they will not VOTE for Obama once this BAD STUFF about him and his wife became public. I still think there is a whole bunch more that will eventually come out and I STRONGLY urge and suggest Hillary supporters to wait until the VOTES are actually CAST at The Convention before giving up on out girl.

Posted by: lylepink | June 5, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

I will not forget what Obama did in South Carolina and the attacks against Gerry Ferraro which were OFFENSIVE. And if Obama believes that his actions in South Carolina do not make him a fraud, he is mistaken.


Well


I will not vote for Obama - I am going to work for McCain, and I will carry many many people with me.

This nomination was STOLEN with a campaign theme which was a fraud and with false charges of offensive remarks.

Whites are the ones who should be offeneded. The people of Michigan and Florida are the ones who should be offended. The people of Michigan are only worth HALF a vote to the democrats ? I say give the democrats no vote.


Posted by: Anonymous | June 5, 2008 7:59 AM | Report abuse

The Superdelegates have gone against the Will of the People.


Clearly more people voted for Hillary


The Obama people want Hillary's votes in Mighigan NOT to count because Obama took his name off the ballot

OK So if Obama takes his name off of the ballot in 20 states this fall, does that mean that McCain's votes in those states don't count ???

Posted by: Anonymous | June 5, 2008 7:54 AM | Report abuse

The Superdelegates have gone against the Will of the People.


Clearly more people voted for Hillary


The Obama people want Hillary's votes in Mighigan NOT to count because Obama took his name off the ballot

OK So if Obama takes his name off of the ballot in 20 states this fall, does that mean that McCain's votes in those states don't count ???

Posted by: Anonymous | June 5, 2008 7:54 AM | Report abuse

What about black racism against whites ???

Who is going to be against Michele Obama??

Posted by: Anonymous | June 5, 2008 7:42 AM | Report abuse

Sharia Law against Ku Klux Klan, yes.

VOTE FOR OBAMA AGAINST RACISM IN AMERICA!!!

Posted by: bRUNO | June 5, 2008 7:33 AM | Report abuse

Nobama says 'we will have Sharia Law in this country..believe it.Posted by: nobama'
comeon! this is either a republican troll or a great example of the idiocy typical in some diehard hillary supporters.
well nobama i don't believe it. Is this the best you can come up with. Are you on ice or something?

Posted by: bill kane | June 5, 2008 7:17 AM | Report abuse

This conservative is ready to vote for Obama as long as he doesn't screw up his VP pick and take Hillary. Thankfully, from what I am hearing is that she will not even get an interview. McCain might choose Hillary because he at his heart is a dem and a liberal. Republicans have nowhere to go this fall so might as well vote for the guy who knows what party he belongs to.

Posted by: bhoomes | June 5, 2008 7:10 AM | Report abuse

observer said 'america was just not ready for a woman president.' Nonsense. america was just not ready for the odious personality of hillary clinton. This sort of rubbish gives feminism a bad name. Misusing feminism like this does not further the cause of women. It is a travesty and true feminists would tell this pal of bill the intern harrasser to leave feminism out of her massive ego trip. barack is nice and hillary is awful- it has nothing to do with sexism- quit this victimhood fabrication.

Posted by: Bill Kane | June 5, 2008 7:07 AM | Report abuse

"AIN'T I A WOMAN!!!"

White feminists never learn. There has been a third wave, black feminism / womanism, etc., and the likes of bell hooks, alice walker, angela davis, michelle wallace and so forth, have tried to educate them.

So many generations before them it was Ida B. Wells and of course, former enslaved Sojourner Truth tried to explain to them, that Black woman are in fact, women too!!!

How dare the feminist Clinton-supporting bloggers on this and other sites, along with even the mainstream media ignore the fact that those large numbers of Black voters who Obama relied on to seal the nomination were WOMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And, god forbid I say that Black women are biologically and socially as much Women as white women are! Prehaps Black women in fact endure even greater social injustices and inequalities in their daily lives than upper class white women do? Is it possible?!


Are Black women incapable of identifying sexism in their midst? So the likes of a highly educated spouse and supporter Michelle Obama is a backlash to feminism? How about Oprah? What about Carolina Kennedy? Maria Shriver? Oh yeah and other Obama supporters like Toni Morrison and Alice Walker? God knows Morrison and Walker couldn't possibly have a legitmate voice to speak on issues of sexism and class inequality? No, of course not!

Is it only middle-aged white women and the dogma of the dominant feminism movement (not Black women and certainly not a younger generation of white women) who have a voice to speak?

But in fact, we did speak and very loudly.

It is not because Hillary is a woman, as to why she lost. It is because Obama was the better candidate. He understood that he didn't have a chance in hell going up against the Clintons but he did it anyway. At the beginning, he could not rely on the Black vote and the majority of Black voters (i.e. Black WOMEN) were in support of HRC. But she and her husband with their sheer arrogance LOST the Black vote and Obama was there to pick up the pieces.

Obama ran a great race. She and her camp were unwilling to take Obama seriously as an opponent until it was too late. Is that a mark of a good President?

I, like so many Black women want to see a woman as President (perhaps no less than many white women), but could it be possible that HRC was not the woman President that we have been hoping for?

Finally, to all those white women HRC supporters: for years, Black women have been asked to choose "which one are you first, 'Black' or a 'woman'?" (as if being black is a male characteristic).

Now I ask you, which one are you first white or a woman? At the end of the day, if you could ever think of voting for ANTI-CHOICE John McCain because of your hatred for Barack Obama even though Obama's views (including PRO-CHOICE) fall in line with that of HRC and the Democratic Party platform, I would say that race is clearly a factor in your decision to select McCain for President simply because he is not that "Black guy," when, if Clinton had won the nomination, Obama supporters are polled as having been willing to vote for HRC for President.

What will it be? HRC or the Democratic Party?

Posted by: Ain't I A Woman! | June 5, 2008 6:53 AM | Report abuse

NOW WE CAN ALL UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S TAKING CLINTON SO LONG TO CONCEDE. YOU MUST SEE THIS uTube VIDEO OF HILLARY'S DOWN FALL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8Ky1_pyn6Q

Posted by: Anonymous | June 5, 2008 6:14 AM | Report abuse

If the reality is based on super delegate vote counts, it is far from real. Just another propaganda ploy. Why so afraid of the actual vote in the convention?

Reality?

Would Cris know reality even if it were to bite him?

Posted by: Gary E. Masters | June 5, 2008 5:44 AM | Report abuse

I want you to know‏
From: Hillary Clinton (info@hillaryclinton.com)
Sent: Thu 6/05/08 3:37 AM
Reply-to: info@hillaryclinton.com
To: vondrashek@msn.com


Dear Hillary,

I wanted you to be one of the first to know: on Saturday, I will hold an event in Washington D.C. to thank everyone who has supported my campaign. Over the course of the last 16 months, I have been privileged and touched to witness the incredible dedication and sacrifice of so many people working for our campaign. Every minute you put into helping us win, every dollar you gave to keep up the fight meant more to me than I can ever possibly tell you.

On Saturday, I will extend my congratulations to Senator Obama and my support for his candidacy. This has been a long and hard-fought campaign, but as I have always said, my differences with Senator Obama are small compared to the differences we have with Senator McCain and the Republicans.

I have said throughout the campaign that I would strongly support Senator Obama if he were the Democratic Party's nominee, and I intend to deliver on that promise.

When I decided to run for president, I knew exactly why I was getting into this race: to work hard every day for the millions of Americans who need a voice in the White House.

I made you -- and everyone who supported me -- a promise: to stand up for our shared values and to never back down. I'm going to keep that promise today, tomorrow, and for the rest of my life.

I will be speaking on Saturday about how together we can rally the party behind Senator Obama. The stakes are too high and the task before us too important to do otherwise.

I know as I continue my lifelong work for a stronger America and a better world, I will turn to you for the support, the strength, and the commitment that you have shown me in the past 16 months. And I will always keep faith with the issues and causes that are important to you.

In the past few days, you have shown that support once again with hundreds of thousands of messages to the campaign, and again, I am touched by your thoughtfulness and kindness.

I can never possibly express my gratitude, so let me say simply, thank you.

Sincerely,

Hillary Rodham Clinton


Posted by: thomas stewart von drashek | June 5, 2008 5:28 AM | Report abuse

Although once in a while I think of backing Obama, I am quickly dissuaded from any thought of doing same when I confront the vitriol -- the anti-Hillary, sexist, racist libel -- that comes out of the mouths of those Holier than thou Obamakins.

They have distorted facts for far too long, and their enablers in the media have abetted them throughout, and they have taken a page from Goebells: Say a lie enough and soon people won't remember the truth.

And the truth is that Obama played the race card first and turned this primary season into one in which every black, out of a feeling of black unity, and many rich white "liberals," out of a sense of guilt, felt comepelled to vote for Barack,

It started in South Carolina. Hill noted that not only ML King but also Pres LBJ worked on Civil rights, the latter having signed the most important civil rights laws, in the 20h century. This was intepreted by the black Obama Crowd as an instance of dissing on Clinton's part even though what she said was true. And the leader of the black South Carolina Congressional delegation, Jim Clyburn -- he is more full of himself that Aunt Esther on Sanford and Son -- sharply rebuked the Clintons and suggested that freedom of speech had to be abridged when we talk about Civil Rights because, in his view, we must always ensure that our comments exalt the limitless good of the blacks.

Yes, there are bood blacks and there are bad whites. But for the Jim Clyburgs of this world, OJ is still looking for the real killer, all white men are lazy parasites on a gulf course and anything that undermines the power and memory and guts of American strengh and Manhood and Self Confidence are worthwhile.

In the past, I never voted Republican for President. Now I will.

Posted by: David Gottfried | June 5, 2008 4:58 AM | Report abuse

Well It's nice that Senator Clinton is stepping out and willing to support Barack Obama, but lets make one thing clear. It's our job as the new generation to turn our country into what we wanted to be be, and if the old will not listen, we will have to replace them with us!

So I make no apologizes for saying the Clinton's are out of there own depth when it comes to the future of America, let alone THE BUSHES as well.

We have plenty of patriots not caught up in RED and BLUE that have been waiting for a sensible person to speak up for them and it has taken this long to get a person who beyond the typical biases of the weak and entangled.

BUSH says his worst threat is BIN LADEN AND MUSLIM EXTREMIST. He is lying, his worst threat is the American people waking up!

Posted by: VB | June 5, 2008 4:54 AM | Report abuse

I'm very depressed by the self professed "Agent of Change" running to AIPAC and bending over, forsaking the US electorate and their best interests and subjugating them to the Right Wing of Israeli Zionists.

I have been a very staunch Obama supporter...

Until now.

when I say a "Bow to Reality" I thought this would be an article about AIPAC pandering.

NOPE.

No mention. Only Dana Milbank mentioned it. Apparently, all is well in eye for an eye Land.

Soon, the whole world will be blind, or maybe they already are.

AIPAC is destroying our credibility, least of all as an Agent for Peace in the Middle East.

Why on EARTH would Israel need more weapons and economic aid from us?

They HAVE a National Health Care System.
They HAVE nuclear weapons.
They HAVE spied on us.
They HAVE stolen nuclear secrets.
They HAVE broken multiple UN Resolutions.

What do we say?

Thank you, Sir. May I have Another.

Our country is Israel's B1tch.
Plain and Simple.

In the US, one cannot vote for President of the United States of America, without casting a vote for the Far Right Wing of Israeli Politics, meaning, inspiring more Hatred, Fear, Terror, and Cynicism.

All Heil Israel !!

Whether you like it or not.

you are paying the bill for what we sow.

Posted by: Thinker_ | June 5, 2008 4:54 AM | Report abuse

One reason that Clinton supporters may have for being sour towards Obama maybe the venom his supporters have demonstrated toward the senator from New York. Being a good winner is just as important as being a good loser. In fact, it is really the winner's responsibility to reach out.

I do not see this quality in Obama's supporters. Get over it people! You won. Stop the continual demonization of this lady who has served the progressive agenda (YES, THE PROGRESSIVE AGENDA) her entire adult life.

What Bill and Hillary learned in Arkansas is if you cannot be elected you cannot govern. In my lifetime the Democratic Party has elected four presidents (Kennedy, Johnson, Carter and Clinton). None of them ran as unbridled liberals. But, thanks to all of them there have been a few liberal/progressive victories.

Obama won in Iowa by demonizing Hillary. When she fought back it was deemed racist.

It may be the best chance of a Democratic Party victory in December for Obama to name Clinton as his VP. To all the Obama folks do not be misled by the 'national polls.' They do not count in the general election. Remember Gore? He won the popular vote in 2000. What matters is the state-by-state polls. Right now Hillary is ahead of McCain in projected electoral votes 327 to 194 with projected ties in Colorado and Michigan which should be Democratic states this fall.

I believe The Fix and other such sites should stop the reporting of national opinion polls and show the public the real deal. In fact, if these polls were made available to the public by the mainstream media during the primary campaign maybe the Republican hoax that they wanted to run against Hillary because they felt they had the best chance to beat her would not have been such a talking point for the Obama campaign.

Lastly let me make a suggestion to my party...We should weigh each state's proportional representation at the national convention not only on the basis of their population but also based on how the state voted during the last four presidential campaigns. It makes no sense that states like Alaska, Alabama, Georgia, Idaho, Mississippi, Nebraska, North Carolina and South Carolina should have the ability to choose our nomine as they did this year. None of those states have voted Democrat in a presidential election in a generation!

Posted by: RWinLA | June 5, 2008 4:49 AM | Report abuse

Received at 1:53 am EDT:

Dear _____,

I wanted you to be one of the first to know: on Saturday, I will hold an event in Washington D.C. to thank everyone who has supported my campaign. Over the course of the last 16 months, I have been privileged and touched to witness the incredible dedication and sacrifice of so many people working for our campaign. Every minute you put into helping us win, every dollar you gave to keep up the fight meant more to me than I can ever possibly tell you.

On Saturday, I will extend my congratulations to Senator Obama and my support for his candidacy. This has been a long and hard-fought campaign, but as I have always said, my differences with Senator Obama are small compared to the differences we have with Senator McCain and the Republicans.

I have said throughout the campaign that I would strongly support Senator Obama if he were the Democratic Party's nominee, and I intend to deliver on that promise.

When I decided to run for president, I knew exactly why I was getting into this race: to work hard every day for the millions of Americans who need a voice in the White House.

I made you -- and everyone who supported me -- a promise: to stand up for our shared values and to never back down. I'm going to keep that promise today, tomorrow, and for the rest of my life.

I will be speaking on Saturday about how together we can rally the party behind Senator Obama. The stakes are too high and the task before us too important to do otherwise.

I know as I continue my lifelong work for a stronger America and a better world, I will turn to you for the support, the strength, and the commitment that you have shown me in the past 16 months. And I will always keep faith with the issues and causes that are important to you.

In the past few days, you have shown that support once again with hundreds of thousands of messages to the campaign, and again, I am touched by your thoughtfulness and kindness.

I can never possibly express my gratitude, so let me say simply, thank you.

Sincerely,
Hillary
Hillary Rodham Clinton

Posted by: earlymorningemail | June 5, 2008 4:17 AM | Report abuse

SP3

You wonder why so many BO supporters get so frustrated by HC supporters. Did you see the video in North Carolina where he allegedly gave her the finger? If you did (you can find it on Youtube) you would clearly see that he was scratching his face and not giving the finger to anyone. He is an adult giving a public speech, and even if you thought he would act that way (absurd) he wouldn't do that in public. Turning away from her: give me a break. Have you ever said "hi" to someone just as they were turning away and you feel foolish because they didn't see you? That is what happened. You have all these silly, meaningless things that don't amount to a hill of beans and then you say he was dissing her. You are reaching for reasons to justify her failed candidacy.

regarding the RFK comment... Someone from his campaign sent a memo saying it was unfortunate. That person never said anything about assassination. And BO himself said he didn't think it was of substance. And of course, nothing is her fault, is it? That is the problem with HC...everything is everyone else's fault but never hers, right?

Did you watch the NYTimes 10 minute video on why her campaign exploded? Did you read the Wall Street Journal article today about the same subject? They all point to her hubris, assumption of inevitability, her poor people management, and her poor strategy and campaign management. Sheesh, if she can't manage her own campaign and squanders millions of dollars on expensive helicoptor and private airplanes, how can she manage the country?

If you assume that a key attribute of being President is management, you would have to pick Bo over HC handsdown.

And you are naive if you think all the remarks by Bill Clinton were not intended to inject race. He is a hard core politician and he will do whatever it takes to win an election. Once elected, he may be the strongest fighter for civil rights. But he and she will do whatever it takes to win. They would not be where they are if they didn't. Both of these candidates have fought as hard as they can; both have used some dicey tactics; but this is politicis so don't be deluded by smiling faces. Besides, if she couldn't handle BO's tactics, she would be destroyed by the Repub ones.

So grow up, buck up, get over it, and support your Democratic candidate.

Posted by: Brad | June 5, 2008 3:47 AM | Report abuse

A resounding NO to Hillary as VP. With her fibs and sour loser character I don't trust her to be a team player. It is always me, me, me, I, I, I. Listening to her AIPAC speech did you count the number of personal pronouns she used!? She cares more for the Clinton legacy than the concerns of America.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 5, 2008 3:41 AM | Report abuse

A resounding NO to Hillary as VP. With her fibs and sour loser character I don't trust her to be a team player. It is always me, me, me, I, I, I. Listening to her AIPAC speech did you count the number of personal pronouns she used!? She cares more for the Clinton legacy than the concerns of America.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 5, 2008 3:41 AM | Report abuse

Come on America - push for Hilary as VP and that way you get the best of both worlds, and so does the rest of the world. They would be a great combination. The world doesn't want more years of Bush type policies and all their fire-breathing rhetoric. Why would you want a senior citizen running your country - remember what happened to Regan!

Posted by: Lucee of Australia | June 5, 2008 2:39 AM | Report abuse

Obama may have won the nomination, but he will lost the election in November. The losing Hillary supporters, the typical white americans will not vote for Obama. Race have played the biggest role in his winning, getting as much as 95% of all black votes. If the typical white americans and hispanics decided to support McCain, he will lose in November.

Posted by: freeman | June 5, 2008 2:30 AM | Report abuse

Hillary is going to endorse Obama this weekend and start bringing the party together.

I know that is bad news for you, but come on... we all know she didn't have much of a chance anyway... so I have faith in you and know that acceptance will finally settle in with you like it has Hillary.

Posted by: Rubiconski | June 5, 2008 2:24 AM | Report abuse

Time to retire the HUBRIS !

As someone who had considerable admiration for Bill's electoral accomplishments (& thus Hillary), it is sad that gradually I have had to replace that admiration with a rational assessment that is not entirely favorable.

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Hillary's Unceasing Bravado Reinforcing Intrinsic Superiority = HUBRIS

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And we have all been treated to a feast of HUBRIS for the last 8 years, if not the last century!

This is a historic juncture as we (as a nation) realize that HUBRIS will not cut it any more - nationally or in the international stage! Time to grow up ....

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And of course, you cannot spell HUBRIS without BUSH as well.


Posted by: Orion101 | June 5, 2008 2:18 AM | Report abuse

Congratulations to Hillary for making history and running a strong campaign! Now it's time for Dems to unify. Here's a list of some good reasons to support Obama. Feel free to share with undecided friends around the country. http://acropolisreview.com/2008/04/top-reasons-to-give-barack-obama-your.html

Posted by: Jean | June 5, 2008 2:00 AM | Report abuse

what is the clinton campaign's explanation for how they signed onto the rules excluding michigan and florida, and then later say that they should count the same as all the other states'? and what do they have to say to the fact that they don't include the caucus results in their popular vote tallies? and what about how they say the popular vote is what counts, yet then they also want to claim that they have won the most electoral votes? they never explain any of these contradictions. they just repeat "we was robbed, we was robbed", but never explain how that could possibly be so according to the rules that their campaign agreed to along with all the others.
And what exactly was so "mean" or "disrespectful" about obama's campaign anyway? the "likeable enough" comment? that's it? and she want's to tout how tough she is?
through her own actions, and no one elses, she showed everyone what she is really made of. and the voters were smart enough to reject it.

Posted by: aussie for obama | June 5, 2008 1:42 AM | Report abuse

i doubt i will vote. supporting hillary,knowing that america was not ready for a woman president was draining and distracting-we have our own lives and problems. i won't put myself through it again,this time knowing that america is not ready for a black president.

i supported carter,bill clinton,gore, mondale,dukakis and kerry.they were all loosers except carter and bill.

i am now turning independant.

Posted by: observer | June 5, 2008 1:33 AM | Report abuse

flgirl said:
"But he has never been condescending or patronizing & has respected her & her campaign time and again"

Are we talking about the same Obama or is this just another campaign talking point?:

Were you visiting another planet when he gave her the finger the day after he lost the Pennsylvania debate? Were you in another country when he sent a memo to all media outlets implying that she suggested that Obama be assasinated? Did you see the Harry and Louise flyers he sent out? Did you see him turn away from her at the State of the Union Address when she went to shake his hand?

I've been around long enough to see many campaigns in my lifetime. I have never witnessed such deplorable behavior by a candidate, his campaign and his supporters. Witness the name-calling here and on all the blogs by Obama supporters. They cannot discuss issues or answer questions without resorting to name-calling. Much of the Axelrod/Obama strategy relied on injecting race into the campaign by claiming that anyone who did not support Obama was racist. This is similar to the Bush strategy of calling anyone who was against his policies unpatriotic and unamerican.

Nevermind that this is the party that fights for civil rights and human rights. Never mind that the Clintons fought for these issues their entire careers. You can see these same comments here. They are a direct reflection on Obama and his campaign. That is why so many are now not only going to vote for McCain but many are leaving the party. The Obama race-baiting / name-calling strategy may have gotten him primary votes, but he permanently alienated half the democratic party. He has driven her supporters away and no matter how much time there is between now and the election, they will not vote for him. Some of you say good riddance. Your arrogance is exactly the point.

Posted by: SP3 | June 5, 2008 1:29 AM | Report abuse

hillary's defeat is very disappointing.it is exactly what the church-military-media-corporate-radical right wing republican party complex was trying to accomplish. their 'divide and conquer' approach has been working well.they defeated the tougher candidate,with help from blacks,college kids,the educated and the democratic party

i supported hillary strongly on these blogs because she was the best qualified.

my deepest sympathies to the hillary supporters,the women in particular.america was just not ready for a woman president.

i am not going to support obama just because hillary does. it is a question of who is the best to lead america.it may be obama and it may be obamanot

Posted by: observer | June 5, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

OBAMA ASSAULTS SENIOR CITIZEN?

Here we see Obama dropping the pretense some and letting out his inner bully.

Looks like Obama was physically threatening a 66 year old man
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From Roll Call
". . . Furthermore, during a Senate vote Wednesday, Obama dragged Lieberman . . . to a far corner of the Senate chamber and engaged in what appeared to reporters in the gallery as an intense, three-minute conversation.

While it was unclear what the two were discussing, the body language suggested that Obama was trying to convince Lieberman of something and his stance appeared slightly intimidating.

Using forceful . . . hand gestures, Obama literally backed up [66 year old] Lieberman against the wall, leaned in very close at times, and appeared to be trying to dominate the conversation, as the two talked over each other in a few instances."

I guess bully is as bully does. Obama's campaign always had a thug element (threatening race riots and civil unrest if Obama was not nominated, having staffers flood blogs with offensive and intimidating posts), and now we know the fish rots from the head.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 5, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

When you say, "What does seem obvious is that Clinton has real interest in the post," I don't think that is necessarily so. She was asked the question and answered by saying she was open to it. She said that throughout the primary in the interest of unity.

I don't think she should seek it or accept it if offered. Obama's credibility is tainted and will be moreso by the time the Republicans are finished. It won't matter that the corporate media will continue to try to carry him on their shoulders.

Posted by: puma | June 5, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

db wrote-A Denny you're hilarious. Why don't you go over to dkos and continue your bullying there. This happens to be an article about the primary so if you can't take it go somewhere else.

So, stating a fact, is bullying?? Or is it offering to debate issues that is bullying?
Again, the primary IS OVER.

Posted by: A Denny | June 5, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

A Denny you're hilarious. Why don't you go over to dkos and continue your bullying there. This happens to be an article about the primary so if you can't take it go somewhere else.

Posted by: db | June 5, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

I am not threatening to not vote for Barak- this will be my last Dem election (after that it is off to some truly progressive party that isn't quite as full of sxxt)-

Here is what I am telling you. The constant insults of someone I believe in as strongly as you do about your candidate is very difficult to take. The insults of her supporters as ignorant, racist, etc. is very hard to take. I am deeply left and deeply political and will take it- but I understand those who will not. They probably won't go out and vote for McCain, they'll just stay home.

Leon

Posted by: Anonymous | June 5, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Dan, any "rigging of the delegate math" was a change in the rules, seating the Michigan delegates, that benefited Hillary (despite the fact she said at the time that the votes in Michigan wouldn't count.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 5, 2008 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton is no longer in this race. The question is Obama or McCain. So those of you on this and other threads-either come out and directly support McCain, and we'll have a discussion on the issues-or move on. The Democratic Primary has finished.

Posted by: A Denny | June 5, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse

I cannot support Barack Obama. I don't like the sexism and the race baiting of his campaign. I grew tired of being called "uneducated" and racist because we do not agree with the one term Senator who stated after he was first elected that he was not qualified to run for President.

The rigging of the delegate math by stealing Clinton delegates that she won in Michigan was the last straw and ensured that there would not be unity.

Although he may be ahead in superdelegates, Hillary won 9 of the last 11 states, won the popular vote, won the swing states and easliy beats McCain by 50 electoral votes. Obama has more trouble beating McCain.

He doesn't have the experience to be Commander in Chief and he doesn't have the judgement to be President. (See Rezco, Wright, Pfleger and Ayers).

The Dems just can't learn. Bill Clinton was the only 2 term Dem President in the last 50 years. Time for a new Party. Dems only know how to lose.

Posted by: Dan | June 5, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Yes!!! Time to move forward. No need to put Hillary Clinton on the ticket. There are a lot of good potential candidates that don't have the history of antagonism with Obama that the Clintons have with him. No question it would be a package deal that would include Bill and that would be problematic, as if it weren't difficult enough with just Hillary. No, it would be better to start fresh and take into account those voters that have supported Senator Clinton in picking the V.P. candidate.

Posted by: Chuck | June 5, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

In a "contest", there is a competition for victory. As I recall, Mrs. Clinton had a 22% lead at the outset of this particular contest. "It'll be over by Febuary" were her words. WRONG. She spent extravagent amounts of her campaign funds, and found herself in the economic hole. SELF INFLICTED WOUND. Then, the goal posts were moved several times, but alas, SHE STILL LOST. For all those praying for a woman president-----CHOOSE A LITTLE BETTER, AND IT WILL COME TRUE. And make sure her husband's name isn't Bill, and make sure her claim of "experience" includes REAL experience, not jut being in a receiving line. Oh, and by the way, don't have her talk about SNIPER FIRE!! What a putz.

Posted by: habes8261 | June 5, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

The Republicans will make hay if the Clintons end up on the ticket. We are back to Lewinsky Gate, Whitewater Gate, Bosnia Gate, and everything else that will destory the Democratic ticket.

Posted by: Oscar | June 4, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Now at long last the Republican "troll" posters can quit pretending to be Clinton (or Obama) supporters and identify themselves as McCain supporters!

Posted by: tom | June 4, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Any Clinton supporter who votes for McCain instead because she lost the nomination is a raging idiot. What exactly is the point of it? Hillary spent PLENTY of time campaigning against McCain. Obama's policies are infinitely closer to Clinton's than McCain's ever will be. Doing so is such blatant selfishness it makes me angry. Voting for McCain won't (in your eyes) help the country. It won't put moderate or liberal justices in the Supreme Court for DECADES to come (something no president, even a potential Hillary in 2012, can overturn).

If you really believed in the policy, message, and campaign of HRC, you'd vote Obama in the fall. If all you care about is the career of a woman, ONE PERSON, than by all means, vote McCain in the fall. It'll just make the country that much more worse off if she somehow manages to become President after him. First rule of holes: if you're in one, stop digging.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 4, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton 17,785,009
Barack Obama 17,479,990

Posted by: Dan | June 4, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Hillary as Obama's VP just doesn't add up ...

New politics, new math:

Hillary doesn't add, she divides ...

It has been said that there is nothing more dangerous than civic revolutions that do not carry out the postulates they themselves generate, and nothing more unfaithful than the public man who, when at the height of power, shows himself to be in disagreement with the doctrines that he sustained when he was in the political wilderness, and that had determined his ascent.

Politics has again become what Bobby Kennedy liked to say it was--an honorable adventure--with Barack Obama at the head of the Democratic Party.

Hold the line on integrity and honor!

No Hillary!

Posted by: martin edwin andersen | June 4, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Be very careful not to be fooled by the conservatives posing as Hillary supporters.

We have a real chance right now to re-energize America and restore its greatness without any asterisks.

Posted by: Harry, Los Angeles, CA | June 4, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

"Obama got a greater number of pledged delegates in Texas, for example, by rounding up a couple of hundred voters to mingle in a church basement. Not truly representational democracy (since Clinton had far greater number of voters show up) but that's the way the party set it up:"

Actually, you got that wrong. Not DIRECT democracy, based upon the raw votes, but representational democracy? Yes. The people in the caucus were taken to be the representatives of their constituencies. Sort of like Congress....

Posted by: tom | June 4, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

The following is a good example of someone who is obviously a Republican troll trying to roil the waters of the Democratic party by posting a fake message here. People who supported Hillary Clinton are not this stupid. Use this as an example as you evaluate other Comments, please. People truly are not what they seem on the Internet. Here's the example:

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Being a bigot comes naturally to you NObama supporters. You gutter rats were were nakedly sexist and misogynistic against Mrs C, now you accuse us of being racist because we won't vote Mr EMpty suit.

Fact is, race is not the reason to vote against NObama; he is not even qualified to get a middle management job at any decent sized company, let alone running the whole country.

A second reason would be that voting NObama means agreeing with all the vitriol that came from the mouths of Nobama supporting gutter rats like y'all and the media pimps in the last 6 months. We could n't do that.

So, get lost, scum bag.

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There are several ways you can tell this is a plant or fake:

Trolls always, always use the "empty suit" expression (which is a strange way to describe a man with a lifetime of public service, two mega-best-selling books, an academic record of achievement second to none, and a meteoric political rise). It's like the rattle of a rattlesnake -- a sure giveaway. I sometimes wonder if they are paid to use the phrase, or insert it as proof for their sponsors that it was their Comment.

They always go just a little too far into racism, such as here claiming that Senator Barack Obama, who just scored one of the biggest political upsets in American history and has had a campaign organization without public infighting that was widely considerd far better managed than the Clinton campaign, "is not even qualified to get a middle management job at any decent sized company." Obviously the only way the commenter could conclude that is because he or she feels that African Americans are by definition unqualified for such jobs, since nothing in Obama's specific, individual record would support that.

A third sign is the strange accusation that the Obama posters having been pouring out "vitriol" when there has been almost no misogynistic comment in places like this, except again from obvious (and I mean, REALLY obvious) provacateurs trying to stir up trouble. By claiming there has been vitriol, the Comment creates even more false conflict.

And finally, what true Hillary Clinton supporter would call her Mrs. C? Don't you think she's earned the title Senator? I do.

Posted by: Fairfax Voter | June 4, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

If the democratic party does not want the candidate with the most votes, why should anyone support the nominee?

SURE SEEMS LIKE A MINORITY NOMINEE


HA HA HA


Posted by: Anonymous | June 4, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Hillary had the most votes


Don't pretend the metric is not good, Obama is the one who started talking about popular vote, then moveon.org started talking about it.

Hillary people Do NOT go with Obama, he tried to stop the revote in Michigan


Vote for McCain.

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Posted by: Anonymous | June 4, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

To the poster at 1136


you have fuzzy math


I give Obama 75% of the uncommitted votes because that is what the exit polls said.


Obama really should get nothing for trying to stop the revote

Obama is an UNDEMOCRAT

I am voting for McCain !!!


Posted by: Anonymous | June 4, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Is it really quitting her campaign when Clinton is still campaigning for the VP slot?

And on Saturday will Clinton actually end her campaign or merely suspend it? Clinton likes to play semantics so often that a suspension of her campaign, or a shift to be "no longer actively campaigning" could be taken by a lot of detractors that she is still looking for an opportunity to snatch the nomination.

If Clinton is going to make a statement, and if she is going to do Obama and the Democrats any good, she needs to be absolutely unequivocal about ending the campaign, and she needs to make no demands on Obama whatsoever.

This may not be a speech that Clinton wants to give, but if she is still focusing on the ways in which she thinks she is winning and on what Hillary wants, i.e., more of the same, then Obama and the party and Clinton herself are better off not having any speech at all.

Posted by: blert | June 4, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

It is written in Mark 8:36:

"For what is a man profited, if he shall have the whole world and lose his own soul?"

The difference between the Clintons and Barack is that Obama did not lose his soul, he enriches ours, and now stands to gain the whole world ...

What a great lesson for the kids and grandkids, no?

Posted by: martin edwin andersen | June 4, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

SHE DIDN'T HAVE THE MOST VOTES!!!! THE ONLY WAY SHE COULD HAVE THE MOST VOTES WOULD BE IF:
A) YOU DON'T COUNT MICHIGAN UNCOMMITTED VOTES, OR
B) YOU DON'T COUNT ALL THE CAUCUSES, INCLUDING CAUCUSES THAT DIDN'T REPORT.

Neither of those is a reasonable condition on the meaningless metric of "most votes". Ignoring those conditions, 18,046,007 people voted for HRC but 18,107,710 people voted for BHO. (Source: RCP.com)

Posted by: Anonymous | June 4, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Some of the persons writing comments in these blogs seem to be really Republicans, making outrageous statements about Barack or Hillary, trying to divide Democrats. On the other hand, the majority of passionate statements seem to represent the actual opinoons and feelings of the writers, whether for Barack or Hillary.

Barack should have been able to truly celebrate and enjoy his victory, yet McCain tried to get some publicity and votes from Hillary supporters and Clinton was truly ungracious in her speech. The news coverage today was more about Clinton's campaign to become the vice-presidential nominee, instead of celebrating the historical significance of Barack's clinching the nomination.

Barack needs to be seen as a more commanding person, who is setting the agenda, not allowing McCain or Clinton, to do so. He needs to start giving speeches and talks where he gives more details about his ideas for positive changes. Barack needs to avoid pandering, as he did against free trade and sounding like Cheney in his positions on the Middle East.

None of the three candidates, Barack, John and Hillary have had much to say about the most important economic issue in the country, affecting all except the wealthy, rising inflation. This is a complex problem, but Barack and John should be expected to offer specific, clear proposals about how they believe inflation can be reduced as a problem.

Posted by: Independent | June 4, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

To be honest, it is an historic event, not because another woman is about to concede another chauvanistic male, but because unlike any other two Democratic or Republican nominees, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are pratically identical in the number of pledged delegates. This has never happened before. So, it makes Clinton's proleptic concession speech acutely painful to her supporters as well as to voters in the country who want her as the nominee. It would be no different for Obama supporters because he is equally close in the number of delegates and they would surely scoff at being on the same ticket as Clinton.

The problem lies with the way the Party assigned delegates. Obama got a greater number of pledged delegates in Texas, for example, by rounding up a couple of hundred voters to mingle in a church basement. Not truly representational democracy (since Clinton had far greater number of voters show up) but that's the way the party set it up: winner does NOT take all. But now the fangs have come out as, all of a sudden, the Party (and the pundits) have become obsessed with the winner take all mentality (even John Stewart has joined in from his "fake" news perch).

For this reason, I suspect neither side will be mollified by any conciliatory gesture. Each candidate is just too close in the number of pledged delegates to let that happen. Come November, Howard Dean and the Superdelegates will be to blame as the party, deservedly, goes down to defeat.

Posted by: Tom | June 4, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

The democrats played so many games with Michigan and Florida that those two states did not count at the end - only half.


I believe the democratic party is just the opposite undemocratic.

We are going to work for McCain.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 4, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

It's all about ME ME ME ME!

Her speech on Tuesday was a disgrace. Let's hope Obama has the courage to turn his back on the past and pick someone with principles and integrity as VP. Hillary (and Bill) would only drag him down.

Posted by: Coyote | June 4, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

The Superdelegates stole the nomination away from the candidate with the most votes.


I am leaving the democratic party.


I am going with McCain.


Posted by: Anonymous | June 4, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

LATINOS/CHICANO, WOMEN WILL BE SUPPORTING MR. McCAIN, WE PRAY HE PICKS BOBBY FROM LA.AS A RUNNING MATE, BLOW BARAKA OUT THE WATER!SI SE PUEDE JUAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: ester jurado,los angeles,usa | June 4, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Quoting: "NO WAY HILLARY GOT MORE VOTES - ALL WE HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH IS DISRESPECT FROM THE OBAMA PEOPLE.


THE OBAMA PEOPLE ARE REALLY NASTY


I AM GOING WITH MCCAIN."

That certainly doesn't qualify as a respectful reply. I don't think it was Obama supporters who repeatedly disrupted the RBC meeting last Saturday. It isn't his supporters who are pouting and vowing to vote for an anti-Roe Republican.

This time last year I would have been happy with either of them as the nominee. I kept that opinion until the Clintons tried to marginalize Obama as "the black guy." That was my non-negotiable. The lie she told about Bosnia just adding to what was, by then, a growing list of reasons to pass on Hillary.

Posted by: purplehawk | June 4, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Hillary people unite We will not allow someone who disrespected us get our support


Remember South Carolina !!!


Vote for McCain.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 4, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

NO WAY HILLARY GOT MORE VOTES - ALL WE HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH IS DISRESPECT FROM THE OBAMA PEOPLE.


THE OBAMA PEOPLE ARE REALLY NASTY


I AM GOING WITH MCCAIN.

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Posted by: Anonymous | June 4, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

but it can't be real - because she didn't win! someone else winning means that the election was illegitimate.

Posted by: aussie for obama | June 4, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

"Clinton's Departure a Bow to Reality"

Well, at least for once she bows to reality.

Posted by: freeDom | June 4, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Chapelle,

With all due respect, when the Democratic electorate is so evenly split as the case is, it hardly makes sense to single out Obama as the one who fails to unite the party. That doesn't mean it is not a problem he needs to address, but Ms Clinton would have had as much of an issue in that regard as he does now had the delegate math been slightly different.

Posted by: Aksel | June 4, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

The nomination was just simply handed to him by his cohorts although his resume spells NONE! All he did was wrote two books and 3 yrs. as U.S. Senator and now he wants to sit in the Oval Office and smoke his cigarettes, what a joke - LAUGHABLE!!!! SILLY AMERICANS!!!!

Posted by: BigNoToObama | June 4, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Hillary supporters, be angry at the media & the pundits because Barack has been nothing but gracious to Hillary. Sure, he's had to throw in his own 2 cents on the offense to her when sparring on the isses! But he has never been condescending or patronizing & has respected her & her campaign time and again (even after her husband's racially charged rhetoric & the fact that she let slip her fears of his imminent death).

Posted by: flgirl | June 4, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

How could anyone ever assert that she or he supports, or supported, the various political positions of Hillary Clinton, from pulling out of Iraq, energy conservation, a foreclosure moratorium, to universal health care, support for working families, etc., and then state with venom, that if it is not Clinton for whom they can vote in November, they will vote for ..... McCain? Pro-war, pro-big oil, pro-big bank, pro status quo McCain? Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face! This is insane.

Posted by: Otney | June 4, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

It all comes down to whether people want to rely on the old experience to continue leading this country awry or whether they want to have some hope that someone can begin to help pull the nation out of the hole that the Bush administration dug.

Obama represents that hope; yes, he is an unknown & untested so can voters trust him to lead the way with his vision or will they stick with the old reliable who will continue the same policies most of the voters are hurting from right now?

Frankly, the current administration has proven that one does not need experience to effectively lead a nation. So, why not Barack? I'm not afraid to hope for something better.

Posted by: Hopexperience | June 4, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

I can't tell you how glad I am to see she's finally going to do the right thing for someone other than herself - for millions of Democrats who yearn for a better life than we've had from both Bushes and Reagan.

It's sad, though, that she stole what should have been a night of immense pride and heartfelt jubilation for so many of us.

Posted by: purplehawk | June 4, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Chief Two Dogs,

re: svreader, iowatreasures and JakeD.

Free at last!
Free at last!
Thank God Almighty,
We're free at last!!!


Good night, and good luck!

Posted by: martin edwin andersen | June 4, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's not going to be VP. It would first require her (and Bill's) total disclosure of both financial AND personal associations. And the facts, once known, would automatically disqualify her (and him).

Posted by: Carmen Cameron | June 4, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

The whole world is watching,
so let's not blow it folks;
help Barack Obama restore
America's rightful place as
the city upon a hill.

Posted by: martin edwin andersen | June 4, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

To All of You IRRATIONAL OBAMA Haters,

Do you wear your kkk hoods while you post your venomous, party-splitting garbage?

Fear not true democrats! President to be OBAMA showed the world last night why he is the right man for the job.

OBAMA in 2008!

Posted by: roxlaw | June 4, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Her supporters are working class, seniors, older women, and people without a college degree. Obama's supporters, the "affluent", "eggheads", and people with a college degree with be okay even if McCain is elected. Hillay's supporters, on the other hand, will most likely suffer the most.

News for you...
We are not suffering....many of my friends, family and medical peers agree..
We are doctors and support Hillary.
Imagine that!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 4, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Thank the gods. I was so tired of the Clinton-lovin svreader and Lowtreasures. Maybe even JakeD will vaporize. Ha!

Posted by: Chief Two Dogs | June 4, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

She took way too long. So much for legacy. We already knew she had bad judgment. Not sure what took the girls so long to figure that out. Gender allegiance seems to have clouded their judgment.

Posted by: Angry Liberaltarian | June 4, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

DC12

Being a bigot comes naturally to you NObama supporters. You gutter rats were were nakedly sexist and misogynistic against Mrs C, now you accuse us of being racist because we won't vote Mr EMpty suit.

Fact is, race is not the reason to vote against NObama; he is not even qualified to get a middle management job at any decent sized company, let alone running the whole country.

A second reason would be that voting NObama means agreeing with all the vitriol that came from the mouths of Nobama supporting gutter rats like y'all and the media pimps in the last 6 months. We could n't do that.

So, get lost, scum bag.

Posted by: intcamd1 | June 4, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

"I would be EXTREMELY skeptical if anyone is saying that they support Sen. Clinton and not voting for Obama."

Hold on to your thought there bubby....
I am a woman, a vet and I support Hillary Clinton for President. I will not support someone I think incapable of the post of Commander an Chief and President of the USA. Who in their right mind would switch horse in midstream? If not Hillary Clinton, then McCain.

Posted by: humanrace | June 4, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Smart Democrats unite. Even McCain is better than Obama.

Posted by: lhen1 | June 4, 2008 10:11 PM

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The smart Democrats started voting for Obama back in January.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 4, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Obama-Webb '08,
because integrity,
patriotism, and
honor are never
out of fashion.

Posted by: martin edwin andersen | June 4, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

ovwong

Well, nitwit, perhaps you can continue to be skeptical, until Nov when a whole bunch of us turn to McCain and you will be wondering how Nobama lost NJ and PA that even that windsurfer Kerry carried.

Posted by: intcamd1 | June 4, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Again, DC12, why accuse everyone of being racist. Maybe they don't like your candidate?

People like you (on both sides) must be stopped

Posted by: eor11 | June 4, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

There are a lot of FAKE Clinton supporters who are posting here so they can try to divide the party and give some faint hope to McBush winning the White House.

I would be EXTREMELY skeptical if anyone is saying that they support Sen. Clinton and not voting for Obama.

Posted by: ovwong | June 4, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Politics has again become what Bobby Kennedy liked to say it was--an honorable adventure--with Barack Obama at the head of the Democratic Party.

Posted by: martin edwin andersen | June 4, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

What a shame?!

Hilary might endorse Nobama. But my vote is for her, not any one she designates.

A vote for NObama is the same as agreeing with racist media pimps like COlby and Robinson, fat pig scumbags such as Rich, and bitter spinster Medusas like Dowd.

Could you Clinton supporters be in the same tent populated by the Nobaba drooling gutter groupie rats? I know I can't.

McCain or write in Hillary, it shall be. 2012, here we come.

Posted by: intcamd1 | June 4, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

To all of you who rationalize leaving and voting for McCain:

Why don't you just come out and say it: I'll never vote for a black man. Think about this very hard. If McCain is elected because you "sat this one out", what do you say to your children in 20 years?

Posted by: DC12 | June 4, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

So many crazy folks here... Relax people, it will all be OK

Stop going after each other, take a deep breath. Obama people, she lost. Clinton people, she lost.

Let it go

Posted by: eor11 | June 4, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Do not vote for Obama whether Hillary is his running mate or not. I was a staunch Hillary supporter and am a lifelong Democrat, but I will not vote for Obama even if Hillary is on the ticket. We are voting for President, not Vice-President. Hillary was the best candidate. Without her as an option, McCain is the second best candidate. Obama is a phony, empty, dishonest contender who needs to be resoundingly defeated. Smart Democrats unite. Even McCain is better than Obama.

Posted by: lhen1 | June 4, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

democrats unite! The country and the world needs us.

Posted by: g | June 4, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

However, Obama and his left wing radical minions are way to arrogant for that.
Posted by: Chapelle | June 4, 2008 9:57 PM
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If you're going to pretend to be a Democrat, might I suggest you drop the Republican-speak. Democrats don't refer to fellow Democrats as "left wing radical minions". Karl Rove and Sean Hannity do.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 4, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Yeah offer ther person whom is dropping inuendos that you get assasinated in June to be your VP that makes sense..NOT

Posted by: SYD | June 4, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

I look forward to 10 dollar gas and 100 more years of war in Iraq, and especially Bush in McCain's cabinet. I look forward to 4 more years of Bush....NOT!!!

Posted by: syd | June 4, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Obama can't even unite his own party. How is going to convince millions of Americans he can unit the country? He has a golden opportunity to unite the party by just offering the VP slot to Sen Clinton. However, Obama and his left wing radical minions are way to arrogant for that. They have deluded themselves into thinking they can win with a divided party. Let's see Obama losses Fla, Ohio and WV and its back to Rev Wright and his hateful rhetoric.

Posted by: Chapelle | June 4, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

I strongly suspect a large number of "Hillary supporters" on the internet who spout the Muslim nonsense are just Republicans hoping to make the media-created "rift" in the Democratic party wider than it really is.

To them I say welcome to the Internet, Luddites. The caps lock key is to the left of the A. Though we appreciate the all caps posts as a way to identify you, it's generally considered in poor internet taste to YELL.

Posted by: J-Red | June 4, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Hey BushBots! Give up! Your time is ending!

Obama is not a weak candidate, not if he beat the best campaigner in the Democratic Party, he isn't. He's a strong as hell candidate, and to deny that is at this point complete idiocy.

It is McCain who is a weak candidate; McCain who runs as the direct successor to history's most unpopular and ineffectual president. It's McCain who wants to fight wars instead of negotiate, who wants to go bankrupt rather than face down the wealthy on their taxes. To hell with John McCain.

Posted by: Chris Fox | June 4, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

"It's not immediately clear whether Obama has any genuine desire to ask her to be his running-mate."

No, it's clear that he and most of the people who voted for him have a genuine desire to keep her as far away from the ticket as possible after the campaign she has run.

Posted by: epthorn | June 4, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

He is a Muslim Apostate..his right to go back to his religion is open.
Posted by: nobama | June 4, 2008 8:39 PM
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I've never heard a real Democrat talk like that. Now a card-carrying member of the Aryan Nations, well that's a different story.

Posted by: opprobrious | June 4, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

To: GRACE | June 4, 2008 8:42 PM
"WE ARE VOTING AGAINST OBAMA IN NOVEMBER."
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Grace, you will only be hurting yourself and the rest of Hillary's supporters.

Her supporters are working class, seniors, older women, and people without a college degree. Obama's supporters, the "affluent", "eggheads", and people with a college degree with be okay even if McCain is elected. Hillay's supporters, on the other hand, will most likely suffer the most.

Please give this some thought.

-A woman and social worker

Posted by: Amx | June 4, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm an Obama supporter (post-graduate education, young, white, so I guess I'm stereotypical) and I just don't have the energy to bicker with the people who should be my allies. Obama basically said "Let's go get McCain together" on Tuesday night.

I can't comprehend how the atrocities and wastes of the past 7 years matter less to some people than the totally unsupported notion that Barack Obama "stole" the election from Hillary. Stole it how? By earning more delegates, the only scorekeeping that mattered? I'm baffled.

I'm sorry that a woman has not yet earned a major party nomination. Hillary was an excellent, supremely qualified candidate, and I'm sure the day will come. You could even argue that she didn't win because voters wanted someone less "qualified", if by qualified one means "too Washington". The good news is that a strong female candidate is now a lot more likely to come since the color barrier has been broken.

Either way, I can't speak for all Obama supporters but I enthusiastically welcome any Hillary supporters to the fold. Not the Obama fold, but the Democratic fold.

Posted by: J-Red | June 4, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporter gmundenat said:

"We don't need you, and we don't want you."

The constant comments like this from the Obama camp are the main reason he will not win and McCain will be the next President. This must be your first campaign. Come back when you graduate from junior high.

Posted by: Dan | June 4, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a weak candidate and not qualified to be president.

Posted by: Lynn E | June 4, 2008 9:16 PM
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Obama, apparently, is an extremely strong candidate. He just beat Hillary Clinton - a particularly formidable candidate. McCain, on the other hand IS a weak candidate.
Are you as much an expert on what qualifies a person to be president?

Posted by: opprobrious | June 4, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Grace, how did Obama steal the election. If you gave Obama zero delegates for Mi, and count 100 percent of Mi and Fla, he still was ahead of her in delegates.

And she only wins the popular vote if you give him zero votes in Mi, a state that Clinton said would not count, and if you don't count the caucus states.

By the way, Washington State had a primary and a caucus. HRC lost both. Count that primary totals and Clinton loses the popular vote.

So tell me, Grace, how was the election stolen. When Clinton led in the superdelegates they were called automatic delegates by her campaign. When Obama overtook her in superdelegates, the Clinton campaign said it wasn't fair that party elders endorse a candidate.

Nothing was stolen from her. She thought this would be over Feb 5th. She ignored the caucus states. She lost 11 in a row. She squandered her double-digit lead in all the polls before this thing started, when she had no complaints about the so-called biased press that was declaring her the next president.

Come on. I can understand you're upset. But she lost. She came up short. That's the way it works in politics.

Obama did nothing but follow the rules that were laid out before the primary started.

For all those Clinton supporters who will vote for McCain. Don't whine when Roe v Wade is overturned. Don't wine when four more years of war in Iraq causes gas to reach ten bucks a gallon. Don't whine when we start dropping bombs on Iran. Don't wine when our economy is in its fourth straight year of recession.

But it's your choice. Vote out of anger, if you want. But that will only leave you more upset four years from now.

Posted by: edzo2 | June 4, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Still pretty weary that she will only be tepid in campaigning for Senator Obama. But Senator Clinton should understand that VP is out of the question given all her baggage, including her finger waving husband. Besides, taking a top cabinet position and helping bring Health Care to Americans is nothing to sneeze at! And there are many other positions other than VP that will have equal if not greater influence on public policy. And the fact that Nancy Pelosi is already Speaker of the House is clearly a huge step forward for women everywhere! The way I see it, not getting on the ticket is still a win win situation - anyone suggesting otherwise is talking out of their ass.

Posted by: woody | June 4, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Obama: No experience, too liberal, and 20 years of Rev. Wright. I just don't like the guy and I don't think he is trustworthy.

Posted by: McCain Democrat | June 4, 2008 9:17 PM
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"McCain Democrat"??? Are you sure you shouldn't come out all the way of the closet and call yourself a Republican once and for all. You are, after all, buying the whole GOP braintrust when you vote for their candidate.

Posted by: opprobrious | June 4, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

By publicly expressing a desire (ie demanding) the veep position Hillary is making an offer that Obama can only refuse.
Therefore she becomes the candidate spurned & on the Bullmoose principle justified to take an independent run.
For Obama the best premptive tactic would be to offer prime positions for the top dogs on her team . Such as ensuring Ickes of Howard Dean's job when he steps down. These are people that have prospered in the Democratic party they do not want to
risk ending up like Perot or John Anderson's advisors

Posted by: robert | June 4, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Obama: No experience, too liberal, and 20 years of Rev. Wright. I just don't like the guy and I don't think he is trustworthy.

Posted by: McCain Democrat | June 4, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Hillary needs to stick to her guns and do what she believes is right. I'm glad she is only suspending her campaign and not abandoning it. The bullying to make her and her supporters to rally around Obama is a joke. Obama is a weak candidate and not qualified to be president.

Posted by: Lynn E | June 4, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Turning 60 this year, this was my best chance to see a woman as president in my life time. Everyone may not like Hillary, but she is the only type of woman who has a chance of capturing the White House. I truly hope she is chosen as his VP - 2nd place is better than no place. He cannot win without her and he will be ill advised if his "team members" tell him to look else where. No another woman won't do for Hillary fans, and although Caroline Kennedy is no Clinton fan I think other members of her family are supporters as well as shrewd politicians who see a win for the White House as a much better outcome than simply having the first black presidential "candidate."

Posted by: aadams | June 4, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

I am hoping that Sen Clinton will not push to be on the ticket with Sen Obama. Primarily, I feel certain that he can win the general election without her. But, I also don't want to see him validate the kind of political behavior that I associate with Sen Clinton and her now finished campaign. I would be surprised to learn that he doesn't already have his own short list of possibles.

If she brings pressure to be on the ticket it just feels like more of the same Clinton campaign style. If she really wants to help bring about a Democratic victory in November she should be floating names of her supporters that he could reasonably consider. But, she should NOT be on the ticket.

Posted by: dcampbell1 | June 4, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

It amazes me that we still have Hillary supporters spouting lies about Barack Obama. He is not a Muslim. Some other points for you:

A compliment to Obama is not an insult to Clinton.

The Obama campaign is NOT insulting Hillary. Hillary has made a losing campaign of insulting Obama, however.

Bill's experience does not count for Hillary.

Obama's pastor is NOT on the ballot. If that illustrates an integrity problem, then it is also fair to talk about Hillary's obvious lies about not supporting NAFTA, landing under sniper fire, and brokering peace in Northern Ireland.

Hillary voted for Bush's war. Documented fact. If she was against the war, why did she vote for it? She never apologized for that vote. Also, there is huge difference between voting to fund the troops in Iraq and voting to SEND THEM THERE.

The majority of votes went to Obama. You can only claim that Clinton won the majority of votes if you ignore reality and count votes in places like Michigan where Obama wasn't on the ballot.

Hillary has lost. She has not conceded because, like Iowatreasures and so many other Clinton supporters that post here, she has NO CLASS.

You can't leave with grace and class if you had no grace and class to begin with. Thus we leave Hillary and her zealots to vote for McCain. Don't go away mad, just go away.

Posted by: Go Away! | June 4, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

nobama,iowatreasures,
Give it a break.Nobama, you could never have been a Democrat with that mind set.
Iowatreasures what exactly is wrong with the people you listed? If we had universal healthcare maybe you would not have run our of meds. And both of you,remember there are 3 branchs of government, not one like under Georege Bush.

Posted by: mfrede | June 4, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

As an Obama supporter, I strongly urge Barack to put as much distance between himself and Hillary as possible.

She will just Poison his chances to win the election.

Do not offer her any position in the Campaign or in the future Administration. Let New York have her, they deserve her.

Posted by: StarJock | June 4, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

The more I think of it, the more Clinton as VP would be a chain, not a springboard. Think of how the conservative base would be energized to man the baracades against Clinton if she was VP. Also, what support does Obama lose if he foregoes Clinton? There is NO WAY that Clinton would do anything less than campaign actively for Obama whether she is VP or not, so he gets all of tehbenefit of Clinton and less of teh downside by simply choosing another VP and, in essence, dare her to do anything less than her best to get him elected. Also, what does Clinton as VP do to Obama's message of change? What "change" would there be in a Clinton VP?

Posted by: ccarter | June 4, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

BILLARY'S JUST GOING UNDERGROUND?

WHERE THEY CAN WORK SURREPTITIOUSLY TO SUBVERT OBAMA.

BY "SUSPENDING" -- PLEDGED DELEGATES ARE HONOR-BOUND BY THE RULES TO VOTE FOR HILLARY ON THE FIRST BALLOT.

IF SHE GETS A HUNDRED OR SO TO SWITCH BACK TO HER...

SHE COULD DENY OBAMA A FIRST-BALLOT WIN...

OPENING THE DOOR TO A "DRAFT GORE" MOVEMENT.

You can't believe anything the woman says. So tell me why this might not be the secret plan. Tell me, Chris. Tell me.

When August rolls around, we'll know for sure. Until then, the intrigue just goes subterranean.

Posted by: scrivener | June 4, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

One down, one to go.

The bitter molehill turned into a small mountain before PA & OH is nothing compared to the Mt. Everest of bitterness being exuded by the Hillary deadenders tonight, all over the world. Wander on over to the McCain camp, ye bitter gypsies: the loss of a couple thousand closet Republicans is tiny compared to the hundreds of thousands of new Democrats Obama found in the last 18 months.

Posted by: bondjedi | June 4, 2008 8:54 PM
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Your over-confidence, arrogance is electrifying.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 4, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Hurry and post a few more times because I think the library is closing soon. Back to you cardboard box. You can use the computer again tomorrow.

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WE ARE VOTING AGAINST OBAMA IN NOVEMBER.
WE ARE LAUGHING ALL THE WAY TO POLLS.
WE ARE DEMOCRATS AND WE ARE MAD AS HELL.
WE VOTED FOR CLINTON.

OBAMA IS UNELECTABLE AND STOLE THE ELECTION.

OBAMA IS BACKED BY AL GORE AND THE CLEAN COAL.

Posted by: GRACE | June 4, 2008 8:42 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | June 4, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

"It's not immediately clear whether Obama has any genuine desire to offer her the job. What does seem obvious is that Clinton has real interest in the post."

The Clintons really have nerve. I can't remember a time where a political opponent tried to force the nominee to choose them. Hillary isn't owed anything and she and Bill don't want the Vice-Presidency, they want a co-Presidency. That would be a total disaster.

Whatever else Obama does, he needs to say, politely but firmly, "thanks, but no thanks, Hillary.

Posted by: RealChoices | June 4, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Let's all calm down and start fresh.

There has been a lot of rancor from both sides, and the reaction from Hillary supporters at her speech in NY is an indication of how far we have to go.

Obama's supporters have her a huge ovation in St. Paul last night.

Clinton's supporters were almost dead quiet in New York when she praised him.

As an Obama supporters et me be one of the first to apologize for the over the line comments from some of our ranks.

Now, it is more important than ever to put a Democrat in the White House, and the first step is for us to reach out to each other.

The GOP doesn't deserve to hold the Oval Office. They put a puppet in there, while Dick Cheney and his cronies ran the country into the ground for 8 years. It won't be any better under John McCain. He's already pandering to the far right, then tapdancing to the middle again. He is the biggest fraud in politics today, and that's saying something. Trust me, I lived in AZ. I know what I'm talking about. This is a man who is embracing the same people he accused of destroying the Republican Party, as well as the same people who savaged him in 2000, in order to win. He wins, the nation and the world lose. That's the ball game.

Posted by: JamesCH | June 4, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

One down, one to go.

The bitter molehill turned into a small mountain before PA & OH is nothing compared to the Mt. Everest of bitterness being exuded by the Hillary deadenders tonight, all over the world. Wander on over to the McCain camp, ye bitter gypsies: the loss of a couple thousand closet Republicans is tiny compared to the hundreds of thousands of new Democrats Obama found in the last 18 months.

Posted by: bondjedi | June 4, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

This from the Huffpost:

"But close advisers to Sen. Obama signaled an Obama-Clinton ticket was highly unlikely. People in both camps cited what several called "a deal-breaker" -- Bill Clinton may balk at releasing records of his business dealings and big donors to his presidential library."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/04/hillary-clinton-dropping_n_105296.html

Posted by: piktor | June 4, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

It's not immediately clear whether Obama has any genuine desire to offer her the job.

The way that Hilary as acted in the latter course of the campaign staying in the race like buzzard circling waiting and perhaps now as she SUSPENDS her campaign and what that word implies, she seems still intent of waiting for Obama's demise. I think Obama should dispense with any notion as having her 2nd in line to succession, in the interest of self preservation. Close proximity to the Clintons have been fatal for a lot of people.

Posted by: tydicea | June 4, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Ding Dong the witch is FINALLY dead.

Posted by: Chopper | June 4, 2008 7:51 PM
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can anyone in their right mind give these comments? Here is a classic example how stupid these Obama dumbos are. Obama himself praised Clinton yesterday and here this idiot already started putting off the Clinton supporters. The GOP will again scrap through again.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 4, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

I hope you are offered, Sen. HRC, the position that solves the Healthcare crisis in this country. This would be your greatest contribution to this country.

Please make sure that Sen. Obama can get you in that position so we all can look forward to the HEALTH needs of the American People.

You have been an amazing candidate and we need you to move America closer to that "MORE PERFECT UNION".

Posted by: jerry rubin | June 4, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

"OBAMA IS UNELECTABLE AND STOLE THE ELECTION."

Baseless slander. How did he "steal the election", it hasn't even been held. He certainly stole no primaries or caucuses.

"OBAMA IS BACKED BY AL GORE"

Good!

Posted by: RealChoices | June 4, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

There is absolutely no proof that Hillary as a VP could get her white racist voters to vote for Obama.

Posted by: Gerry | June 4, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

WE ARE VOTING AGAINST OBAMA IN NOVEMBER.
WE ARE LAUGHING ALL THE WAY TO POLLS.
WE ARE DEMOCRATS AND WE ARE MAD AS HELL.
WE VOTED FOR CLINTON.

OBAMA IS UNELECTABLE AND STOLE THE ELECTION.

OBAMA IS BACKED BY AL GORE AND THE CLEAN COAL.

Posted by: GRACE | June 4, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Phony republican post.
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Lifelong democrat here..voting for Mccain.

Obamas associations scare the heck out of me!! He is associated with radical people Farrakhan, Ayers, Wright, Dohrn..the list goes on.

Educate yourselves on who he really is, please. I never thought in my wildest dreams I would vote repub..but I love this country too much to cast a vote for Obama. He is a Muslim Apostate..his right to go back to his religion is open.

Do you really want our country little by little to progress to radical islamic beliefs? Small laws will be passed and next thing you know Sharia Law in the United States of America.

Look at Canada..Its all fun and games until we wake up and realize we've all been snowballed.

Extremists have vowed to destroy us from the inside.

American people..fellow Americans. Please wake up. Obama and his wife are very close to Farrakhan, Obama has people on his staff from nation of islam.

Vote for Mccain for our country!! Otherwise we will have Sharia Law in this country..believe it.
Posted by: nobama | June 4, 2008 8:39 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | June 4, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

That woman has as much tact as a bear in a china shop.

Posted by: Clinton is odious | June 4, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Lifelong democrat here..voting for Mccain.

Obamas associations scare the heck out of me!! He is associated with radical people Farrakhan, Ayers, Wright, Dohrn..the list goes on.

Educate yourselves on who he really is, please. I never thought in my wildest dreams I would vote repub..but I love this country too much to cast a vote for Obama. He is a Muslim Apostate..his right to go back to his religion is open.

Do you really want our country little by little to progress to radical islamic beliefs? Small laws will be passed and next thing you know Sharia Law in the United States of America.

Look at Canada..Its all fun and games until we wake up and realize we've all been snowballed.

Extremists have vowed to destroy us from the inside.

American people..fellow Americans. Please wake up. Obama and his wife are very close to Farrakhan, Obama has people on his staff from nation of islam.

Vote for Mccain for our country!! Otherwise we will have Sharia Law in this country..believe it.

Posted by: nobama | June 4, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

So basically, it took her a day to do the right thing.

Mrs. Clinton has/had every right to go to the convention, and put her name in nomination. I don't think anyone has been as close and lost/losing. The POINT, the reason is was so classless for her to stay in, is that it was clearly the sense of the party for her to throw in the towel, because her continued candidacy was hurting the obvious nominee. And by not doing, she did in fact hurt the nominee. If nothing else, she prolonged the period over which her die hard supporters talked themselves into believing the lies they tell each other about Obama, and how unfair everything/one has been to Hillary, and how Hillary is more electable (and as a matter of fact, she probably is; news flash, she's white in a majority white nation).

(I have yet to see the Obama equivalent of Clinton being cast as a gay drug abuser or an enabler of a slumlord or a closet Muslim. Till you can point to THAT, spare me the "they've been mean to Hillary bit, 'kay?)

I previously posted that the irony of her supporters insistence on supporting anyone but Obama, including McCain, hurt her chances for VP because it makes it look like she cannot bring along her "supporters". There's another irony: the vituperation of her supporters has led to such a party schism that Clinton essentially HAS to stop short of the convention. If her supporters looked like they might grudgingly go along with Obama if Clinton lost at the convention, she could stay in. And if she stayed in, anything might happen and she should still win. The fact is, she ran better the less she went negative on Obama and the more she talked herself up.

There's a saying among gamblers: if you go for broke, broke you will surely go. Hillary's backers put them, and her, out on a limb of all or nothing. Thanks to them, both will go home empty-handed when, had they been more willing to accept Obama, their champion would have received the consolation prize that she otherwise would have deserved, and a position that would have preserved her White House viability for 2016.

Posted by: gbooksdc | June 4, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

FREE AT LAST!

FREE AT LAST!

THANK GOD ALMIGHTY,

WE'RE FREE AT LAST!

Posted by: Martin Edwin Andersen | June 4, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Iowatreasures--what is your problem?

You KNOW--or you should--that Obama could not be president if he was an Arab. He was born in the USA, just like Hillary and me and (I assume) you. And how in the world can you be calling him a muslim and be upset about him being a member of the Trinity United Church of Christ at the same time????

I don't know why I'm even responding to your post--we really should all ignore the outrageous posts and hold civil discourse. I will pretend that you are either being ironic, or you are a GOP troll.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | June 4, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

You disrespect your candidate. It is not personal. You should not again get involved in politics. You may also want to watch this and see what class is all about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyKlcQ_HiD4


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It is so obvious to me why Hillary is taking a couple of days to "suspend" her campaign. She is trying to give the eighteen million people who voted for her and who are heartsick that she won more votes but isn't the nominee, at least for now, and she is letting them have a coupld of days to get used to the idea - Hillary doesn't care what the media thinks - and I don't blame her.

People who are being mean to Hillary now are the worst of the worst. She is trying to give eighteen million of us time to get used to the idea that Obama "fixed" this election from the start and got away with it, with the help of the media.

Hillary is the nicest person in the political world, along with Bill and Chelsea, and Nutter, and many others that supported Hillary.

Among the worst of the worst are Caroline Kennedy, John Kerry, Bill Richardson, Tom Daschle, Clyburne, Lewis, Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean, Donna Brazile, and some others I have forgotten. They will always be among the most hated people in the world.

I will never, never, ever, ever, ever vote for Barack Obama - he is an Arab, a muslim, has terrorist friends, anti-American friends, and corrupt political Chicago Way Associates including Mayor Daley and Michelle who worked in Mayor Daley's corrupt office - introduced Barack to the Mayor Daley corrupt Chicago political fold in 1991, married Barack in the radical, separatist church, The Trinity,
Rev. Wright officiating.\

Barack Obama - never - or his hateful, angry, immature wife, Michelle. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures@Hotmail.com | June 4, 2008 8:21 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | June 4, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

It is so obvious to me why Hillary is taking a couple of days to "suspend" her campaign. She is trying to give the eighteen million people who voted for her and who are heartsick that she won more votes but isn't the nominee, at least for now, and she is letting them have a coupld of days to get used to the idea - Hillary doesn't care what the media thinks - and I don't blame her.

People who are being mean to Hillary now are the worst of the worst. She is trying to give eighteen million of us time to get used to the idea that Obama "fixed" this election from the start and got away with it, with the help of the media.

Hillary is the nicest person in the political world, along with Bill and Chelsea, and Nutter, and many others that supported Hillary.

Among the worst of the worst are Caroline Kennedy, John Kerry, Bill Richardson, Tom Daschle, Clyburne, Lewis, Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean, Donna Brazile, and some others I have forgotten. They will always be among the most hated people in the world.

I will never, never, ever, ever, ever vote for Barack Obama - he is an Arab, a muslim, has terrorist friends, anti-American friends, and corrupt political Chicago Way Associates including Mayor Daley and Michelle who worked in Mayor Daley's corrupt office - introduced Barack to the Mayor Daley corrupt Chicago political fold in 1991, married Barack in the radical, separatist church, The Trinity,
Rev. Wright officiating.\

Barack Obama - never - or his hateful, angry, immature wife, Michelle. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures@Hotmail.com | June 4, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

John Edwards "suspended" his campaign also. I didn't see any hatred for Edwards for doing it that way, or conspiratorial theories - you guys are disgusting, and I so hope Obama loses in November. I will be shouting and cheering and laughing and chivalrying all night long. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | June 4, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

John Edwards "suspended" his campaign also. I didn't see any hatred for Edwards for doing it that way, or conspiratorial theories - you guys are disgusting, and I so hope Obama loses in November. I will be shouting and cheering and laughing and chivalrying all night long. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | June 4, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

John Edwards "suspended" his campaign also. I didn't see any hatred for Edwards for doing it that way, or conspiratorial theories - you guys are disgusting, and I so hope Obama loses in November. I will be shouting and cheering and laughing and chivalrying all night long. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | June 4, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

It is so obvious to me why Hillary is taking a couple of days to "suspend" her campaign. She is trying to give the eighteen million people who voted for her and who are heartsick that she won more votes but isn't the nominee, at least for now, and she is letting them have a coupld of days to get used to the idea - Hillary doesn't care what the media thinks - and I don't blame her.

People who are being mean to Hillary now are the worst of the worst. She is trying to give eighteen million of us time to get used to the idea that Obama "fixed" this election from the start and got away with it, with the help of the media.

Hillary is the nicest person in the political world, along with Bill and Chelsea, and Nutter, and many others that supported Hillary.

Among the worst of the worst are Caroline Kennedy, John Kerry, Bill Richardson, Tom Daschle, Clyburne, Lewis, Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean, Donna Brazile, and some others I have forgotten. They will always be among the most hated people in the world.

I will never, never, ever, ever, ever vote for Barack Obama - he is an Arab, a muslim, has terrorist friends, anti-American friends, and corrupt political Chicago Way Associates including Mayor Daley and Michelle who worked in Mayor Daley's corrupt office - introduced Barack to the Mayor Daley corrupt Chicago political fold in 1991, married Barack in the radical, separatist church, The Trinity,
Rev. Wright officiating.\

Barack Obama - never - or his hateful, angry, immature wife, Michelle. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures@Hotmail.com | June 4, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

As the general election is launched, make sure to check Campaign Diaries' first electoral college ratings, with McCain at 227 EVs and Obama at 207. Detailed explanations here: http://www.campaigndiaries.com/2008/06/first-electoral-college-ratings-its.html

Posted by: Dan | June 4, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

I believe it is a legal technically that allows her to continue to fund raise to begin to pay off her debts. They are in debt badly and owe a lot of people I don't think they can just shut it down.

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HILLARY IS "SUSPENDING" ...

WHY THAT WORD?

So that if Obama implodes, she can step back in?

If that's her plan, she's got a snowball's chance in hell after the past 24 hours...

Did Hillary believe those unconfirmed reports about a Michelle Obama video? So she was waiting for the other shoe to fall?

Posted by: scrivener | June 4, 2008 8:15 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | June 4, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

HILLARY IS "SUSPENDING" ...

WHY THAT WORD?

So that if Obama implodes, she can step back in?

If that's her plan, she's got a snowball's chance in hell after the past 24 hours...

Did Hillary believe those unconfirmed reports about a Michelle Obama video? So she was waiting for the other shoe to fall?

Posted by: scrivener | June 4, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

You disrespect your candidate.

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Claiming the nomination does NOT EQUAL BEING THE NOMINEE! Superdelegates CANNOT put anyone over the top right now -- ONLY AT THE CONVENTION. oBLAHma is counting his chickens before they're hatched -- and I hope they "COME HOME TO ROOST"! Hillary remains my choice for Democratic Nominee for President! Don't give up the ship!

Posted by: bevvyjean | June 4, 2008 8:06 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | June 4, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Claiming the nomination does NOT EQUAL BEING THE NOMINEE! Superdelegates CANNOT put anyone over the top right now -- ONLY AT THE CONVENTION. oBLAHma is counting his chickens before they're hatched -- and I hope they "COME HOME TO ROOST"! Hillary remains my choice for Democratic Nominee for President! Don't give up the ship!

Posted by: bevvyjean
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wow...she does have sad little people as supporters.

Posted by: bevvyjean is ready to go to DENNNNNNNVERRRRR | June 4, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Claiming the nomination does NOT EQUAL BEING THE NOMINEE! Superdelegates CANNOT put anyone over the top right now -- ONLY AT THE CONVENTION. oBLAHma is counting his chickens before they're hatched -- and I hope they "COME HOME TO ROOST"! Hillary remains my choice for Democratic Nominee for President! Don't give up the ship!

Posted by: bevvyjean | June 4, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Well,
I haven't posted in awhile and I am curious to see how we all come together now that we have a nominee.

For all of you Hillary supporters, I congratulate you for your support of a wonderful candidate.

I have never been a fan of Hillary Clinton, however I would be blind not to recognize her achievements as a woman in politics.

While she may not have the qualities I find attractive in the way she conducts herself in politics, she is still a formidable and productive individual.

Her loss is not a sign of perceived incompetence. Nor is it a sign she is out of favor. Her loss is a reflection of how each candidate went about their individual primaries.

Obama had a better approach and his victory shows.

Both could easily hold the Office and hold it well.

Now is the time to come together and ensure the Democrats control Washington.

Let's see what they can do.


Vance

Posted by: Vance | June 4, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Let me tell you something, I worked on the Gore campaign in 2000. You become so invested emotionally when it is over if you lose it is awful, something I can't put into words. You sit there on the floor with you head in your hands. I told my wife I was never again going to do anything that makes me feel as bad as that did when we finally lost. I don't really like Hillary but I can understand how she feels. It is hard to let go.
I can't watch this without crying.
If you don't remember check it out It is worth watching

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyKlcQ_HiD4

As Al Gore said at the end, "It is time to go".
Hillary now knows that.

So now here we go again, I am on board with Obama and lets hope we have a different outcome. I don't ever want to feel that bad again.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 4, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

I smell a 5:01 PM press release coming...

Posted by: Oakton | June 4, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm an Obama supporter, but the vociferousness of some of these comments make me think Republicans must be the ones denigrating Hillary rather than actual Obama supporters.

At least, I hope that's the case, because otherwise they are just hurting their own cause.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 4, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

I voted for Hillary. I will vote for Obama. I will enthusiastically support a joint ticket, though I think she damaged her chances last night.

BB

Posted by: Fairlington Blade | June 4, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Lets hope she can be nice and not become the Fuzzy Zeller of this drama.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 4, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

It's always GOING to happen. Enough! The party has recognized her garbage! Don't let the door hit you Hilly! We don't need you, and we don't want you. Good riddance to bad rubbish!

Posted by: gmundenat | June 4, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

of course, hillary supporters are the ones who will ruin potential unity, we're either decent or not.

brb on johnmccain.com

Posted by: trisha | June 4, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Ding Dong the witch is FINALLY dead.

Posted by: Chopper | June 4, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

TO ALL DEMOCRATS LET'S START THIS ALL OVER THE BLOGOSPHERE, YOU CAN EITHER SAY:

BITTER HILLARY SUPPORTER for all those whining spoilers
or
DECENT HILLARY SUPPORTER for all rational and decent voters that had Hillary as a first choice.

A clear difference for unity.

Posted by: ES NYC | June 4, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

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