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Just when it looked like the debate between Sens. Barack Obama (Ill.) and Hillary Rodham Clinton would go quietly, the issue of plagiarism brought the two candidates out of their slumber.

Asked about his lifting of lines from Gov. Deval Patrick (Mass.), Obama sought to dismiss the charges of plagiarism as the sort of politics the American public is sick of. "The notion I had plagiarized from someone who is one of my national co-chairs who gave me the line and suggested I use it I think is silly," Obama said. "This is where we get into silly season in politics and people start getting discouraged about it."

Clinton, however, clearly believes this is a political weak spot for Obama and went after it -- hard. "If your candidacy is going to be about words, they should be your own words," said Clinton. "Lifting whole passages is not change you can believe in, it's change you can Xerox."

That line, obviously prepared in advance of tonight's debate, fell flat. The crowd went silent and then a smattering of boos rang out. Obama shook his head and muttered to himself.

That exchange highlighted the difficulty for Clinton when it comes to drawing contrasts with Obama. Any attack falls into a familiar dynamic that she is a partisan politician practicing politics as usual while he is a transformational figure bringing hope and change to the system.

Obama has created a framework whereby arguing against his approach to government and philosophy is arguing against the hopes and dreams of the American public. It is a very hard nut to crack for Clinton.

Let's see if she tries another approach in the final 15 minutes.

By Chris Cillizza  |  February 21, 2008; 9:13 PM ET
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Posted by: rhqpsjm joywfsr | April 16, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

If Clinton was going to stake her campaign on her apparently strong opposition to "plagiarism," then she should have steered clear of it herself--at least for the remainder of the debate. Chris--how did you miss this irony? Here are the quotes and links to the videos (special thanks to Sen. Clinton for pointing out that you can track this kind of thing if you just "watch the YouTube").

"...whatever happens, we're going to be fine...I just hope that we'll be able to say the same thing about the American people and that's what this election should be about."--Sen. Hillary Clinton, Feb. 21, 2008, closing statement in Austin, TX. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvhrh0yHhd8

"What's not at stake are any of us. All of us are going to be just fine no matter what happens in this election. But what's at stake is whether America is going to be fine."--Sen. John Edwards, Dec. 13, 2007, final statement in Des Moines, IA. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhIe2DtlWdg

Posted by: joe | February 22, 2008 2:13 AM | Report abuse

Tonight's debate pushed front and center the question of whether the Democratic Party can do what it did in 1960, nominate an inspiring young leader paired with a Washington veteran in the workings of government.

John F. Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson persuaded voters that they could open a New Frontier with the first Catholic president in American history. This year, the Democrats can offer a ticket with two firsts.

Their policy differences tonight were invisible to the naked eye, and they ended up with the kind of hearty handshake that could be repeated to seal their designation as the 2008 ticket at the Democratic convention in August.

http://ajliebling.blogspot.com/2008/02/hillary-clinton-for-vp.html

Posted by: connectdots | February 22, 2008 12:16 AM | Report abuse

"Would Obama have called the issue "silly" if Hillary was a man?

------------------------------

What a silly question.

Posted by: wpost4112 | February 21, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Would Obama have called the issue "silly" if Hillary was a man?

As a woman, I am offended.

Posted by: bllewison | February 21, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

I find it striking that the one real smile I have ever seen on Hillary's face broke through when Barack made a self-referential joke about his followers being delusional.

It took Barack to bring her out of herself.

He wins. Hands down.

This is what he will do to the nation. Bring our best selves out.

Hillary ends gracefully and will run the Senate.

Obama....to the White Houes.

Posted by: wpost4112 | February 21, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

It was nice to see HILLARY get real at the end of the debate, very touching. Her attempts to paint herself as the only one with enough experience to be Prez fell flat. Her attempt to attack Obama was pathetic. Obama was every bit as substantive as Hillary, and his authenticity and positive tone blew her away.

Obama was the clear winner here.

Posted by: jukeboyjoe | February 21, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

sangliu,

I agree that Clinton's line at the end, about the troubles of real people, was one of the high points of the debate. But "unscripted?" Come on. You need to understand that when delivering lines like that, both candidates are just actors, delivering a script that was written in advance by others.

Just because they have a script memorized, doesn't mean it's "original" or "unscripted."

Posted by: fairbalanced | February 21, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's voice was hoarse. She tried to be not too aggressive; she will wait to see if the Texas polls move in her favor before she goes completely negative in the last debate before Texas' primary. Her words of support for workers NEVER correspond to her legislative record of course.

Posted by: sperrico | February 21, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

The most telling moment for me came at the end when she described her most telling moment, and then she said, "What ever happens, we will be all right." (Not sure that is exact, but it it's close.)

The instant I heard that I knew that for all intents and purposed, she knows it's over for her quest for the presidency.

I am for Obama, but I definitely felt for her at that moment.

Posted by: eheau | February 21, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

I was listening to the debate on the radio.

From what I heard (but didn't see) I thought the exchange on health care was excellent. It clearly showed the differences between the two though I felt Obama finally explained his plan in a way which made it more understandable to the average listener. He clearly made Clinton's plan sound like something which would be shoved down our throats.

Clinton clearly tried to reach out to the Hispanic population in Texas and it sounded like she made the connection.

I think the plagiarism issue clearly made Clinton seem petty and small. Obama handled it well.

At the end I thought Clinton's closing comments were more up-lifting (I was waiting to hear she shed a tear) while Obama's comments seemed to sort of just end.

If there was a standing ovation at the end, CNN didn't make it sound like it was for Clinton. The moderator clearly said it was a form of appreciation from the audience for both candidates and the fact they participated in the debate.

Posted by: NewEra | February 21, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

As a 52 year old registered black Democrat, I will not be voting for either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama. They both pandered to Jorge Ramos of Univision and Mexicans/Central Americans at the debate on tonight on the illegal immigration issue. Each of these candidates are very, very liberal on the illegal immigration issue. Obama stated, he would passed the "Dream Act" after he's elected to illegal alien children to attend college. Jorge Ramos asked the ridiculous question on the United States becoming a bilingual nation. All Democrats are not down with this as are the Republicans.

Posted by: BlueDogDemocrat | February 21, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

disgustingly, this 'xerox' jab has already been set as headlines from AP and other sources. they report on the boos of the crowd without explaining that the boos were a response to clinton, not in support of her allegations. they completely leave out obama's defense that the lines were suggested by one of the co-chairman of his committee. It just shows that clinton will seize on something that is false and petty in the interest of winning. she does not have the class or grace to be president. her behavior and course of adamant misrepresenation toward both obama's record and character has been a major turn off for me and is the reason I shifted my support to obama.

Posted by: jjs283 | February 21, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

continue to wonder why Democrats deserve to win this election. Given the awful vitriol and bile being poured out on this site on HRC and her husband the former Democratic President (remember - he was one of ours, someone we encouraged people to vote for) by so many supposed Democratic members, I have to say that if this is the new politics of hope and inclusiveness you nothing has changed.

As I have said all along, by all means support your candidate. But doing so with such spewed filth is frightening to watch.

When BHO is subject to this amount of abuse by the GOP supporters I do hope none of you wring your hands and claim 'unfair' - or is such hypocrisy only to be expected in American politics these days...

Posted by: anthonyrimell | February 21, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Barak may have borrowed a few lines from his supporters, but Hillary borrowed her whole campaign from Monica's ex-boyfriend.

Posted by: kmccorma | February 21, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Jeff Toobin on CNN thinks Hillary's closing remarks were heartfelt, compelling and her way of going out on a high note. But she's just playing the rope-a-dope. Her tenacity on plagiarism and health care shows she's still in this for all the marbles. Tomorrow, she starts bashing him in earnest, with most of the live cameras off. It won't matter much, because the lead tomorrow morning will be her ill-received "Xerox" line. She probably figures it's time to go for broke.

Posted by: rippermccord | February 21, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

I don't think that anyone would buy her bobble-head.....I wouldn't want my dashboard to be littered in such a way. I wouldn't even buy it if they had a two-for-one sale at the local dollar store! lol

Posted by: LiberatedVoter | February 21, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Am I misremembering, or did Bill Clinton use that same "I'll be all right," line in 1992?

Posted by: Sempringham | February 21, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Hilary received a standing ovation because everyone in that auditorium saw that she really cares about this country and Americans. She isn't trying to be a "rock star" nor does she have a "God complex" like her opponent. She is far from untouchable, especially in the media, and this moment highlighted her greatest asset.-- She is a fighter.

P.S. Did you see the horrified look on Obama's face when the crowd stood up for Hilary! He couldn't get off that stage fast enough! Hilarious...

Posted by: najchrislee | February 21, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

The advice she probably got was:

--- look more relaxed. The tension on your face makes you look bitter and angry. She did fine in that respect. She probably took her medication before getting out there.

--- back off on 'not talking to adversaries'. She said she would talk to Iran. She is not being truthful. Her backers wouldn't allow it. She has people reading WP posts and knows people have been saying 'How's that Kyle/Lieberman vote working for you?'.

--- tout your husband's administration's economic success. Obama was a gentleman for not saying "those were the years Internet became commercialized, something your husband can't take credit for".

--- show your 'caring side'. No matter how hard she tries she comes across phony when she tries to convey how much she cares.

Obama showed he had class and didn't need to resort to below the belt attacks to win. That's one of the major themes from tonight. It's not about what each have or haven't accomplished, but it's more about how their minds work and Obama's works much better.

Posted by: dogsbestfriend | February 21, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

The most inspiration statement in this entire presidential campain, came from tonight's debate and it is from Senator Clinton's last statement. Noticed that it is ORIGINAL AND UNSCRIPT.

What Clinton could offer is what Obama could not. Obama could put up a script road show in a huge stadium. Voters need to take responsibility to go beyond being cheerleaders and see this election to have a different result then last 8 years!!!!

Posted by: sangliu | February 21, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

hillary looked funny all night...

she has that smug look on her face, but she constantly knods her head... like she is in "the know".

i don't see it that way.

i see her little knodding head making her to look like a little HILLARY BOBBLE HEAD ON A DASHBOARD.

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GET THEM WHILE YOU CAN!
PUT ON ON YOUR DASH!
SHE AGREES WITH EVERYTHING!
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Posted by: presGWBfanclub | February 21, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

I think it's about time for Hillary to quit her campaign. I watched the debate from start to finish, and Senator Obama did much better than Mrs. Clinton.

I think that her worst moment came when asked about the so-called plagiarism issue and claimed, re. Senator Obama's use of his friend's words (even though his friend gave permission) "That's not change we can believe in, that's Xerox!"

At that point she was booed, and rightly so. Even the audience made it clear that they're tired of her negative campaigning. Oh, and btw - she actually had the audacity to say that her campaign has been mostly positive. We all know that statement was incorrect!

She wouldn't admit that her vote in favor of the border fence was wrong, and she refused to answer the question about whether or not she thinks that Senator Obama is ready to be Commander in Chief.

If Hillary can't handle those relatively simple questions, how can she handle being in the White House????

Even at the very end, she said "whatever happens...." like she knows that her campaign is doomed. Which it is. Senator Obama is on a roll and cannot be stopped. Period.

No matter how much spinning Hillary tries to do, the will of the people WILL prevail!

Posted by: LiberatedVoter | February 21, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse


obama is one man.

hillary comes as a pair.. hillary & billary.

yet...

.. obama beat BOTH of them... it was straight out of a BATMAN show!

* BOFF *

* POW! *

* SMASH! *

* CRASH! *

poor old hillary... she sat there with that smug look on her face... constantly knodding her head like a little head on a dashboard..

well. she got her a** kicked.. AGAIN.

my hilight of the night? when she got BOO'D!!! it was CLASSIC!

LOL

Posted by: presGWBfanclub | February 21, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

The standing ovation Hillary got was for her remarks that was interpreted as she would be willing to back off if she doesn't win Ohio and Texas.


Posted by: dogsbestfriend | February 21, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

I think both did well, but Clinton did not accomplish the things she needed to win. She fell into Obama's trap of being old politics by attacking him over the "words" thing, but her last few lines were great. Obama nailed the substantive questions, and the "silliness" comment was wonderful. Unfortunately for her, she needed to draw out the differences in the candidates, but she was unable to do that. The delusional bit was great for him, and he only really needed to do well enough not to get blown out, so he won in the end. It's too bad in a way, because I like Clinton, but I hope that this helps people see Obama as a serious candidate that can beat McCain.

Posted by: alterego1 | February 21, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jameswhanger | February 21, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Wish I was there to add my own to the resounding chorus of jeers.

-Peter Fitzgerald

Posted by: fox_qajgev | February 21, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

"Woah... I think Hillary just conceded the race - right then when she shook Obama's hand and intimated that they both have good lives to go back to after the race. I think she just conceded."

Posted by: drama_king | February 21, 2008 09:44 PM

Drama_king, I think you are right. While it was not an outright concession speech, I think she may have learned hard way the old Kenny Rogers' line, "You got to know when to hold 'em, and when to fold 'em." I think Hillary Rodham Clinton folded 'em in the Texas Hold 'Em Debate.

Posted by: meldupree | February 21, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Andy and ripper, I agree with your summations.

Question: Do you not think that HRC does better as a relatively modulated and gracious voice, even without scoring "points", then she does when her voice rises and she "attacks"? That is why I think tonight was relatively good for her.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | February 21, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

I think Hillary realizes she's near the end. Her final remarks seemed wistful... "No matter what happens, I'll be alright..." She knows her campaign is over.

Posted by: kevk91 | February 21, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

"No matter what happens, we're going to be fine," says Hillary at the conclusion of the debate. Methinks the good senator from New Amsterdam knows she is done; stick a fork in her campaign; it's done.

Posted by: meldupree | February 21, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

"It's nothing compared to the problems of real people"

Wasn't that a line from the 1992 Clinton Campaign? They should be your own words? Plagiarized?

Shameful HRC

Posted by: hugh7975 | February 21, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

well in actuality, perhaps the failure of the HRC campaign stems indirectly from her sense of entitlement, from which so much else flows. perhaps her dodge on the adversity question (going to a heart-wrenching story of dismembered iraqi vets--who she helped dismember--surely is a dodge) stems from her lack of truly experiencing adversity, and thus her mistaken presumption regarding her preordainment to the throne...

Posted by: muaddib_7 | February 21, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Not much of a debate. No knockout punches. A lot of rehash. Hillary more composed in her speaking. Obama's points on commander-in-chief and plagiarism better. Hillary gets booed over attack on plagiarism. Hillary's summation more warmly received. Fight goes to Obama on points. A squeaker, as the Texas vote will be. Too close to call.

Posted by: rippermccord | February 21, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

The last comment by clinton was solid. I think obama won the debate and his last response was great too, but her comment was a show stopper. Will it win her the election, No.

The snipping on healthcare and the borrowing lines were bad points for her, but she finished strong.

Obama's best point was the Cuba thing and the Argument about McCain's support of the war.

Posted by: AndyR3 | February 21, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Was that a New Hampshire tear i saw forming? And talk about plagiarism,
she's been sounding a lot like Bush and
his fear foisting lately.

Posted by: josephjsalas | February 21, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Well, well, a long standing ovation for Hillary. Reading the posts on WaPo forums, you'd think the audience would instead be running the witch out of town on a rail. Oh, but you say she played the victim card! I guess Obama wasn't playing the sympathy card for his poor misguided troubled youth story. Poor Obama, he was just mixed-up back then!

Posted by: hitpoints | February 21, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is going to be a great Senate Majority Leader.

Posted by: JSYeaton | February 21, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

getting a 'b' in yale... getting her daughter a job at an investment bank...

Posted by: muaddib_7 | February 21, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

I suggest that no one trust Chris Cillizza's judgment if he thinks what's described above is a "real debate".

A real debate would involve a discussion of policies and real moderators who would force the candidates to defend their policies.

Chris Cillizza's idea of a real debate is like going to the Superbowl and hoping a fight breaks out in the parking lot.

A real debate would feature the candidates forced to defend their support for immigration "reform", such as asking how many years it would take to do all those background checks:

http://lonewacko.com/blog/archives/007470.html

CNN and the WaPo are too corrupt to ask about things like that, so you're going to have to do it yourself: go to campaign appearances, get the answer on videotape, and upload it to Youtube.

Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | February 21, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Who won the CNN Democratic Debate in Austin Texas?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=1763

.

Posted by: PollM | February 21, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Senator Hillary Clinton is really the one with all speeches and no results. She claims that she has been fighting for poor people for 35 years. According to U.S. Census bureau, Arkansas state ranked 49th in people with college degree (almost dead last) and 6th in people living below poverty level. The truth is: technology boom did far more for the good economy of the 1990's than Bill Clinton. For example, Mark Cuban became a billionaire within 4 years! Billary have nothing to do with it.
Bill and Hillary need to come up with a different line of attack apart from experience. Obama actually has more total legislative experience (Illinois and Washington) than Hillary. Billary have talked about experience so much, you will think Senator Obama just graduated from college in 2007 instead of 20 years ago.

Posted by: PeterinDallas | February 21, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Woah... I think Hillary just conceded the race - right then when she shook Obama's hand and intimated that they both have good lives to go back to after the race. I think she just conceded.

Posted by: drama_king | February 21, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Not Barack's best forum, much better in a crowd, but Hillary looks rehearsed and nervous all rolled into one. Obama looks confident, Hillary does not. She comes across as insincere to me. He may or may not be the real deal, but at least he comes across as sincere, and presidental.

Posted by: bfjam | February 21, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Um, why does Hillary take some kind of weird pride in the "adversity" (i.e., self-made drama) she has experienced in her life?

The only "adversity" she has ever faced has fundamentally been of her own making, consequences of her own bad judgment/decisions.

Yet she harps on her "survivor" status. Don't get it. And it gets her APPLAUSE!!! I must be missing something.

Posted by: drama_king | February 21, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Hillary jus got her biggest appluase line when saying that she has gone throughmany hard times. I was wondering how long it would take for her to play her victim card.

Posted by: dyork | February 21, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

"Why isn't Hillary's campaign as strong as it was assumed to be? Why does she not have a War Room? Why has she run a campaign WORSE then Al Gore did?"

You know, I have come to the conclusion that Hillary is in some ways far more human than the Republicans have given her credit for. She took her surname for granted - drank too much Clinton-flavored Kool-Aid. She made the most sophomoric mistake - she underestimated her competition. I am also kind of surprised and even disappointed with how weak her campaign has been.

Posted by: drama_king | February 21, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Hillary just said that they would have a unified party going forwar. That is as close to a concession speech that she has ever geiven. Maybe she also realized how badly she lost this debate!!

Posted by: dyork | February 21, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Hillary says we're borrowing money from China to buy oil from the Saudis? That's Ron Paul's line! At least use some attribution, lady.

Posted by: andrewl112 | February 21, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting how Obama deflated John King's question on earmarks. When accused of failing to make public his Illinois projects, Obama simply said, "That's not true. We have a list. We'll give you a copy." End of discussion.

Posted by: kevk91 | February 21, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

i don't understand why obama didn't open up on her on transparency in government?! tax returns, the new 527...?! he his way better than her on this issue and I am surprised he failed to take the opening.

Posted by: muaddib_7 | February 21, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

sleazy, irrelevant charge.

she looks like a friggen prison warden.

grim, corrupt entitled hack.

time to hang it billery. enought damage to your tatterd reputation already.

Posted by: ben2 | February 21, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

I didn't see the debate but I'm happy to read that Clinton's gambit fell flat (or worse). I'm no huge Obama fan but I (lifelong Democrat) am totally sick of the Clintons and this is Exhibit A as to why: it's all about them and they will get as down & dirty as they can.

She clearly is going to go out ugly, not with class. "Get Real"? Reality bites ... and right now it's biting her right on the a$$.

Posted by: fendertweed | February 21, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

And the Xerox remark also got a mixture of applause and jeers. CNN is replaying it now as a summary of the highlights.

She also has put in references to Texas in her answers, but I felt they seemed clunky and contrived.

Posted by: hitpoints | February 21, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Maybe she should've tried "Change you can mimeograph?"

How about "Change you can capture with your cell phone and put up on Facebook to share with 90,000 of your closest friends.

Posted by: judgeccrater | February 21, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Gbooksdc

You make an important point. Why isn't Hillary's campaign as strong as it was assumed to be? Why does she not have a War Room? Why has she run a campaign WORSE then Al Gore did? Bill Clinton has been very highly OVERRATED!!!

Posted by: dyork | February 21, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Hillary fights like a cat and got the booing she deserved. She is FINISHED.

Posted by: dogsbestfriend | February 21, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

iraq votes you can photocopy from your republican colleagues...

Posted by: muaddib_7 | February 21, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

hmmm... the way he intertwines subtle references to texas specifics ("4th cavalary in fort hood...", "VA hospital 250 miles away...") into his stump bits is quite sharp. this man is quite a technician.

Posted by: muaddib_7 | February 21, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

I predicted this would happen.

Here's the thing: if you're going to ambush your opponent at the debate, don't lead with the lines of attack three days before. He had time to prepare responses, and let's face it, his staff is (miles) better than hers.

I am not in front of a TV, so I'm bouncing between the Obama site, the Clinton site (until it crashed -- not ready for Day One IMHO), the CNN site, and here. The Clinton supporters seem to be in some sort of delusional (there, I said it) parallel universe, so maybe the "Change you can Xerox" line sounded good to them. Since it got booed, obviously they were wrong (or day I say, out of touch?). _Personally_, I'd have avoided the Xerox line, if only because their copiers break down so much. "Change you can Konica" -- now there's a line.

Posted by: gbooksdc | February 21, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

"a tactical victory imposed on a huge strategic blunder", very nice line.

Posted by: muaddib_7 | February 21, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

HRC's line fell flat at home too. Does she think we actually believe the lines she delivers are her own? No. They are Mandy Grunwald and Mark Penn's words. When this argument was going nowhere, she changed the subject to... What else, health care?!

Posted by: mjashworth | February 21, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Dead Woman Walking. Drop out and stem some of the anti Clinton Lagacy blood that is flowing so swiftly.

Posted by: dyork | February 21, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Her line "If your candidacy is going to be about words, they should be your own words" actually got quite a bit of applause. You didn't mention that.

Posted by: hitpoints | February 21, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

judgment like walmart

Posted by: muaddib_7 | February 21, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

she should have said - change you can ditto

Posted by: avalle | February 21, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

experience like burger king

Posted by: muaddib_7 | February 21, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

"Clinton, however, clearly believes this is a political weak spot for Obama and went after it -- hard."

Who is advising this woman? That dog wouldn't hunt before the debate began; it isn't a winner now either. I'm beginning to believe BHO's angle regarding the abilities of our leaders to use good judgement. Hoping against hope for a miracle when it isn't likely to occur is ridiculous.

Posted by: judgeccrater | February 21, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

To give Chris Kudos, it is an actual debate. Which is good for us, the voters. Still I say that Obama has won strongly.

Posted by: dyork | February 21, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Xerox, does anyone still use them, she should have said Kinko's or something...

Posted by: CoCoSausage | February 21, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Hillary has lost the dabate and her voice now soundes very worried.

Posted by: dyork | February 21, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

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