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Analysis: What Biden's Pick Means

CHICAGO -- The Fix is in the midst of his semi-cross country journey to Denver even as the political world is getting used to the idea that Delaware Sen. Joe Biden is Barack Obama's vice presidential running mate.

And, even though the selection of Biden is less than twelve hours old, the handicapping of the pick is already hot and heavy.

By 6:45 this morning, John McCain's campaign was out with a new ad featuring comments by Biden critical of Obama and laudatory of McCain. Biden's remarks, taken from one of the many Democratic primary debates, hint at -- although never explicitly state -- that Obama lacks the requisite experience to be president.

That criticism was mitigated somewhat by a slew of statements by Democratic elected officials praising Biden's long and deep resume in public life.

And off we go!

Our initial thoughts about the Obama-Biden ticket are below. Feel free to add your own in the comments section.

• Biden is, by and large, a safe pick. While his tendency to misspeak (or, perhaps more accurately, over-speak) is legendary, it's also a bit exaggerated. Biden's handling of the veepstakes was masterful -- largely laying low and, when he did speak to reporters, offering no hints about where he was in the process. Biden has also been vetted at the national stage at least twice -- during his runs for president in 1987 and 2008. That means -- almost certainly -- that everything bad or unsavory about Biden -- we deal with the plagiarism issue below -- is known to the media, and lessens the chances of some sort of revelation over the next few months that takes Obama off message.

• As the Associated Press's Ron Fournier noted in an analysis this morning, picking Biden shows that Obama and his team are concerned that questions of whether the Illinois senator is ready for the job have the potential to be politically dangerous. It's a change of approach from the Democratic primary when Obama proved immune from attacks on his experience level by Hillary Rodham Clinton. In the primaries, Obama cast the choice of his judgment -- heavily hinged on his initial opposition to the use of force resolution against Iraq -- against Clinton's "Washington" experience. But, in the general election to date, that argument hasn't worked quite as well, as McCain has scored several direct hits message-wise by painting Obama as a celebrity candidate with few of the policy chops necessary to hold the most important office in the world.

• In choosing Biden, Obama showed -- again -- that he is not solely an ideologue, taking advice from only those who agree with him. Biden voted for the 2002 use of force resolution against Iraq and he and Obama have not always seen eye to eye on the conflict. But, rather than select someone like Sen. Jack Reed (R.I.), a former military man who voted against the resolution, Obama went with Biden, believing that despite past disagreements the Delaware senator was the right pick.

• The Obama campaign was well aware that in picking Biden, every story about the decision would include a revisiting of the plagiarism charges that drove the Delaware senator from the presidential race in 1987. The calculation by the Obama campaign is that the plagiarism stories are old news, events that not only happened more than two decades ago but that most voters paying even casual attention to politics were already aware of. Are they right? Republicans believe that it is a miscalculation to assume that everyone is aware of the plagiarism charges against Biden -- arguing that it is common knowledge inside the Beltway but not outside of it. Another question surrounding the situation is whether, when voters are made more aware of the allegations (and they will be), do they dismiss it as a youthful indiscretion or a fundamental character flaw? Always remember: When choosing a president, voters want to pick a person they believe represents the best things about themselves and their culture. Depending on how the plagiarism issue is covered, it could impact that calculation on the part of voters.

• Biden must walk a fine line when on the campaign trail over the next few months. Part of the reason he was chosen was his charisma and ability on the stump. If he is reined in too much by the Obama campaign or his own handlers, much of the benefit of picking him is taken away. On the other hand, the media will be watching Biden like a hawk for impolitic statements given Biden's past record of making them. It's a delicate balance.

By Chris Cillizza  |  August 23, 2008; 11:32 AM ET
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Comments

Venus to Mars: Have we forgotten the Clinton vs. Dole electorial battle? Dole was just too old and so is McCain. Unless you want 8 more years of grandpa at the sterring wheel vote for Obama-Biden. Amen!!!

Posted by: dcreese | August 25, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

While both _Dreams from My Father_ and _The Audacity of Hope_ were pleasant and informative reading, neither gave me a sense of Obama as potential president and it's unclear to me how either would convince opponents to support him. Perhaps Walkabout Jones can enlighten me.


Hearing the Biden news, I felt as though Obama had chosen to don a millstone and call it sensible accessorizing. If my sense of let-down is any indication, I'm quite a bit less un-enthusiastic about Obama than about McCain. Washington politics is beyond my grasp; there's no factual basis to my reaction.

The plagiarism issue was news to me. Is there really a statute of moral limitations stamped on the offense? My academic-integrity indoctrination began in fundamentalist home/anti-schooled childhood and was given its secular seal during my snooty alma mater's mandatory anti-plagiarism seminars.

Most of the electorate likely applies flexible social guidelines to the "old history" of Biden's plagiarism, where I, as an autistic, tend to take rules literally and as a matter of honor. Losing the expat home-schooled ex-fundamentalist ivy-grad autistic female vote is the least of any candidate's concerns.

There's a different issue it seems no-one in the U.S. media dares mention; likely for fear even voicing concern could sound like threat. Perhaps naively, I'm presuming not even Obama's most ardent opponents would wish this on him. Living abroad, I've lost my U.S. sense of what-must-not-be-spoken, and this relates to VP choice, so I'll risk mentioning it here: Presuming their election, having Hillary as VP would have drastically reduced the likelihood of an assassination.

There goes any future security clearance for me, eh?

Posted by: Molly B. | August 25, 2008 4:29 AM | Report abuse

I wonder how many against Obama have read either of his books? My problem isn't with those who are against Obama, but with those who make that decision based on second hand information. Obama has written two books--not even his biggest opponents argue that. Why not pick up one, read him in his own words, and make an informed decision. I say that to the 98% of people who aren't doing so. In these troubled times, ignorance is a sad day for patriotism.

http://www.walkaboutjones.com

Posted by: Walkabout Jones | August 25, 2008 2:46 AM | Report abuse

Chicago: I genuinely do not understand the antipathy that so many Clinton supporters have for Obama. I think you're right that the media fawns over him, but they have long fawned over John McCain in similar fashion. Can you help me understand this?

Posted by: DW | August 24, 2008

For the record, I was responding to the above poster's use of the word "antipathy." No, it isn't personal, except that I think Obama is a fake being masterfully handled, a fraud perpetrated on unsuspecting, well-intentioned people. The level of Clinton hate permeating this primary season, including the media (Cilizza has been fair) blinded many to his very real flaws, so Hillary was villified and written off very unfairly.

But I will let the Republican oppo research that is well-known to those of us who have closely followed him come out and then you all can decide for yourselves whether our fates should be trusted to him. (Yeah, I know they have oppo on everyone, but just wait.)

Posted by: Chicago for Hillary | August 24, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

To Chicago for Hillary:

"My antipathy toward him is..." -- stop right there. "Antipathy." Your complaint already seems intensely personal, just like the one from the poster who has some ongoing gripe with Hormel Ham and Target but blames it on Barack.

Your litany of negatives about him most would see as positive: consensus building, bringing rich and poor and black and white together, grass-roots community work, overcoming the odds, etc. And you think he's uppity 'cause Barack has a plane -- look, all candidates do - he can't Greyhound Bus or bike from DC to Sioux Falls.

Also, Barack can't be blamed for some of his previous opponents dropping out when the press reported they had acted very inappropriately. In BO opponent Ryan's case it was his wife that blew the whistle on what he was doing, wasn't it? Nothing to do with BO.

Your hate blasting and name-calling, though we understand it as based on some personal gripe you have with BO that may be totally justified in your mind, sounds mean, envious, petty, and kind of sad. I'm sure you're bigger than that.
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"My antipathy toward him is that he is a complete phony who basically worked Chicago to recreate his so-called District to include not only a minimum of poor sections of the South Side, but a great swath of the Gold Coast where he cultivated a great many rich white liberals to endorse him and to be his supporters.
........
The guy is a fiction, of course, with some truth, but the average supporter only sees what they want to see and doesn't see the real thing.


Posted by: Chicago for Hillary | August 24, 2008 1:01 PM"

Posted by: Broadway Joe | August 24, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl, you and Fournier are the two of the few I've heard say Biden was a bad pick for veep.

Goodwin of the NY Daily News was extremely complimentary. The Washington Post and the Huffington Post were similarly supportive. In fact Hillary, Wolfson and Lanny Davis all cheered the Joe pick. You say you like Hillary so what's the problem.

Why Joe as vp? Various insider articles say Barack chose Biden because he knew he needed someone who could confront the attack dogs and effectively counterattack, and because the Russia/Georgia conflict had made foreign policy a priority, and Joe is Chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee. Bayh, Kaine, Edwards, etc. could not help on those fronts. Biden was the right choice.

What I don't get is this: You don't like Barry. We get that; you have told us this hundreds of times on this blog. Why go on and on and on about it, refreshing the blog daily with new un-sourced anti-BO talking points prepared by goodness knows who?

For those interested in facts about the two candidates, Maureen Dowd (NYT) and Andrew Sullivan.com today offer keen insights into BO's opponent, particularly the POW aspect. Sullivan's piece is very fair and balanced and includes a fresh fact-based look at Mac's actual military/POW record. Dowd is, as usual, brilliant.

Posted by: Broadway Joe | August 24, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I agree with nevadaandy, I just don't get what AsperGirl and other extreme HRC people want now.

Clearly, Barack and his team out-maneuvered and out-campaigned Hillary and won. It has been shown again and again that the campaign is a foreshadowing of the presidency and this augers well for an Obama-Biden administration.

IMHO Barack needed someone as VP to fill in his resumé with foreign policy experience as well as deep experience in navigating Washington and the Senate. I can imagine that the two of them will work very well together as a team.

At the same time, I can't imagine that he and Hillary would work well together and having Bill that close would be challenging, to say the least.

I'd love to see Hillary nominated to fill the first vacancy on the Supreme Court. Perfect for her, the feminist agenda and the country.

AsperGirl, I don't understand your analogy about lipstick and all.
See if you can explain in plain English what you mean to say with that.

Posted by: Chris Harnish | August 24, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl,

Thanks for the response. I think we'll be agreeing to disagree on many of these issues, but I do want to ask some additional questions.

I would agree with you (and Frank Rich) that the selection of Biden forces Obama to retool the "Change" brand that his campaign has worked so hard to establish. But just about any other VP candidate from the legislature, including Clinton (who ran on her experience), would have required the same. With Clinton, there would of course be the sense of "change" in that she is female, but I doubt that she would want to be considered on the basis of her gender any more than Obama (I hope) would want to be considered on the basis of his race.

I think your point about Obama dropping the "new politics" and instead running with many of Clinton's themes is interesting, and it's something I'll have to think about more. Their primary debates seemed to be about differences in personality, or "experience" vs. "judgment," since their stances on issues were so similar (apart from squabbles about who said what on Iraq and the "gas tax holiday"). At least two liberals said to me this winter that they didn't want to vote for someone who would already have half the country (the right wing conspiracy again?) against her.

All that aside, is it possible, though, that Obama chose Biden because he thought he would be more successful when actually in office than he would have with Clinton?

. . .


I have to disagree with you about the "spouse attacks." The seven houses ad may be a cheap shot, but it seems pretty far-fetched to frame it as a spouse shot. Cindy McCain is not mentioned anywhere in the ad, and if we're expecting the average viewer already to know that she, not John McCain, actually owns the houses, I think that's a bit much.

. . .

Pols are atwitter about why Obama hasn't opened a larger lead on McCain, but I don't see it as being that complicated. The country is collectively dissastified with Republicans, but McCain's entire persona is based on being a different kind of Republican. On the other hand, I can't believe how many registered lifelong Democrats who genuinely question whether or not Obama "swore on the Koran," etc, and yet are still considering voting for him. Or look at how many people actually think there's something sinister in "Obama/Biden" that points to "Osama bin Laden." Someone said to me the other day that "after 9/11, they said the next attack would come from inside." I don't know who "they" are or what "the inside" means here, but the person who said this is a pretty traditional, labor-union Democratic voter.

. . .

As for what experience says, either guy could be a disaster or a triumph. Some well-experienced candidates were disasters (Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Harding, Hoover) and some were successes (Jefferson, FDR). Some were both (LBJ, Nixon).

On the other hand, some of our greatest presidents (Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt) have had very little preparatory experience. But they were the sort of people to begin with whose faces could be carved in, say, a big mountain. None of us, especially Obama, know if he's that kind of leader.

Of our choice, I don't know which candidate would be a better president. But I've been really confused by the arguments put forth by many of the PUMA folks, so I appreciate your taking the time to explain some of them.

Posted by: DW | August 24, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

It's hard to fathom why you Hillary supporters would rather have another 8 years of a Republican administration than to vote for Obama.

I know you wanted a female to be president. I'm a female and would love to see a woman president. But it's not going to happen this time around.

If you allow another 8 years of a Republican administration then you are only giving lip service when you say you support women's rights. Just think, there are at least 3 Supreme Court justices who may retire during the course of the next administration. A Republican administration will ensure the Supreme Court will be solidly CONSERVATIVE for at least another 20 years and their decisions will not likely be overturned for an addtional 20 years.

You angry Hillary supporters would rather jeopardize Roe B. Wade being overturned, or the gains made by women through the Civil Rights Act and Equal Pay Act because you are upset that Hillary lost? It's time to get over the fact that Hillary lost. Stop being sore losers.

Women's civil rights will be jeopardized if you Hillary supporters turn to McCain or don't turn out to vote for Obama. Do you want to be the reason why the gains women have made today will be lost when a Conservative court rules against Equal Pay claims or Civil Rights claims? You need only to look at the decision last year by the current court to see where they are headed (Ledbetter v. Goodyear Tire Co.).

Posted by: nevadaandy | August 24, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

>>DW wrote: "Do you feel that Obama made a poor choice, or that he betrayed Hillary Clinton in some way? How exactly does the choice of Biden have any correlation to Obama's church?"

Obama has picked a person who is a partial stab in the Hillary Clinton direction. From Biden being Obama's adept and wonky attack dog (who better than Clinton, who beat Obama in 22 debates and began her brilliant career as a top lawyer as an associate in the Watergate prosecution) to billing Biden as a blue collar "fighter" born in "Scranton, PA", that is hawkish on Israel, Biden is largely viewed now as being helpful to Obama in a variety of ways. However, those ways that Biden, with the 5 thousand primary votes he got, are a subset of the ways in which Clinton, with her record-setting 18 million primary votes, could be helpful on Obama's ticket.

To dress Biden up as a poor reprise of Hillary Clinton Spring 2008, claiming that he can help Obama in these ways, is a strange display of almost mentally ill refusal to acknowledge Hillary Clinton was the better choice for VP. Indeed, the fact that she was never even vetted and that Obama delivered the VP announcement of the Biden pick by a 3 a.m. cell phone call, seems almost too grudge minded to be real.

If you look in Obama's background for where that kind of entrenched grudge-holding and grievance mentality could come from, what naturally comes to mind is the 20 years Obama and his wife spent as members of the grievance-minded, partisan and deeply alienated sermons of black liberation theology as practiced at Trinity Church.

Obama's pick of Biden and the way they've treated Clinton unnecessarily rudely with these symbolic slaps, and the way they're dressing up Biden with Clinton's lipstick, frankly makes Obama look immature, grievance minded and dysfunctionally too narcissistic to have good judgment.

The McCain campaign has released an ad about Obama resenting Clinton for criticizing him. That's an implicit statement of what I think is Karl Rove's belief that Obama has narcissistic personality disorder, as I also believe.

Obama's dysfunctionally narcissistic and holds a pathological grievance against Clinton. The culture of Trinity Church has not matured or elevated his mentality in this shallow, defensive personal dimension of his.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 24, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Joe Biden, in addition to being in love with his own "intellect", is also a master of "high-tech lynching" and a verbose plagiarist. When the witnesses against Justice Thomas were caught in a brazen lie Senator Biden hushed it up instead of invoking a serious felony - lying under oath to the Senate.

Posted by: Marc Jeric | August 24, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Nope, not a troll, and definitely a Dem. Worked the precincts, had jobs growing up that were clout-related. (Chicago version of patronage.) Look, I was on the BHO bandwagon until I really explored his background and record. And last summer, when I took my name off his mailing list, I was embarassed and ashamed that I had jumped on the bandwagon for this poser who will be dangerous for our country. I was mortified that I had fallen for the hype, and my eyes were opened.

My antipathy toward BHO has nothing to do with race (note: voted for him for the Senate, and when you live in Cook County, you vote for candidates of every race and ethnic background in each election).

My antipathy toward him is that he is a complete phony who basically worked Chicago to recreate his so-called District to include not only a minimum of poor sections of the South Side, but a great swath of the Gold Coast where he cultivated a great many rich white liberals to endorse him and to be his supporters. He has done nothing for Illinois, and any of his legislative accomplishments were pretty much handed to him by Emil Jones. He has connections with all sorts of questionable types, and he has concocted his bio, leaving lots out and weaving together truth and wishful thinking, leaving most with the impression that his story is complete, but it is not.

I guess I am extremely disgusted that someone with such a thin resume and such a minimal list of accomplishments is set to be leader of the free world, while many more qualified (Biden included) were cast aside for the media darling BHO. I am sickened, just as I was about George W., that such an unprepared (albeit intelligent and politically facile person)can be elected by the American people. I have cast my first vote for Carter, then Clinton, Gore and Kerry.

I don't like the way he has conducted his political career. He says he is the new kind of politics, but his record is noting of the sort. Why not look into the Jack Ryan debacle and how his divorce proceedings, as well as Blair Hull's, were made public? Dirty tricks that allowed BHO to run against Keyes. Look at the Boston Globe article about the three-year old crushed by a gate in a housing project run by the son of Obama's law partner? Look into his opposition to the Illinois law protecting the rights of the baby born alive in a botched abortion. Not to mention his constitutional qualifications to be president. Where are all his records? Why haven't we seen his medical records? Academic records? Actual birth certificate and not abbreviated certificate of live birth.

The guy is a fiction, of course, with some truth, but the average supporter only sees what they want to see and doesn't see the real thing.

How anyone could not be completely turned off by the "President" embroidered on his seat on his plane, the whole repaint job with the O instead of the US flag, the victory tour of Europe, Vero Possumus and the rest is beyond me. I detest George W. and cried when he was nominated in 2000, and walked around shellshocked when he stole the election from Gore, and was incredulous that he won again in 2004. Nobody was looking forward to a Dem in the WH more than me. But not this guy. He is not real....he is a brand, an image, a hologram.

Posted by: Chicago for Hillary | August 24, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

DW, I'll post a lengthier extract of my opinion:

Centrist View of the VP Pick: Biden -- or Biden in Clinton's Pantsuit & Lipstick?
CREEPY REPRISE OF HILLARY CLINTON SPRING 2008 CAMPAIGN

Did Obama pick Biden as VP, or Biden wearing Clinton's lipstick, pearls and pantsuit on, hailed as a "fighter" from "Scranton, PA"?

My first reaction to the Biden pick is that Obama must have a pathological grudge against Clinton to go to such lengths to avoid her when he needs her base and the things she could do for him if only she were on his ticket. While it's hard to read between the lines of the well-coordinated propaganda supporting Obama's pick, I think many are dismayed not by the Biden pick, but by the way the Obama campaign seems to dress him up for her voters. Picking Biden in itself makes sense if Obama weren't going to follow through with his risky "transformative change" ticket, and if he weren't going to pick Clinton. But putting Clinton's lipstick, earrings and pearls on him and lauding him up with words interchangeable with Clinton's resurgent campaign seems ghoulishly like that guy in Psycho with his dead mother in the upstairs bedroom.

A spate of unsettled articles today, like Frank Rich's attempt to explain away why Obama has dropped any pretense anymore of being a "change" or "transcendent" "new politics" leader, indicates a broad but subtle falling away from Obama's vision by the more progressive members of his base. They will support him, but they aren't in love with him, anymore. His Biden pick and how he's dressing Biden up as Clinton, is fundamentally at odds with Obama's core message, themes, and marketing of himself, and too creepy a reprise of Clinton.

With his VP pick, Obama's switched from a "change" and "new politics" ticket to an "old politics white senior DC pol who knows what he's teaching the young president" ticket. Obama also compromised his "new politics means I won't take cynical positions" earlier this Summer with a series of flip flops, including breaking his federal election funding pledge and other reversals that surprised the left winger progressives. Obama's deeply negative dive into spouse attacks cements the fall of Obama from the pedestal of his "new politics" rhetoric this Spring. Thus his perfect-worlder rhetoric has met reality, about 3 months after the end of primary season.

Obama won't be forthcoming with new specifics about his transformative "new politics" as his media fans have been suggesting he do since bombing at Saddleback. After his inability to make the "transformative change" "new politics" campaign more specific and substantial this Summer, Obama's suddenly dropped it, reformulating his campaign as an enhanced Hillary Clinton Spring 2008 one.

GAME-CHANGER: SUBSTANCE CAMPAIGN

Let's look now at the subject of the game-changing everyone knew Obama needed. Obama's now going to fight for the middle on substantive debates over issues. There are problems with Obama starting a new campaign and pose as Hillary Clinton this late in the election, but let's ignore that for now. Biden will do foreign affairs and politics stuff and handle the blue collar appeal. It's my guess that Obama will tackle the economy and the post-convention campaign will be an attack on the Bush economy and McCain's weaknesses there. While Obama has made some missteps in unveiling his reformulation of his campaign that is a reprise of Hillary's, his post-convention campaign will definitely be more issue-focused and more substantive than that which went before.

It's my feeling, going forward, that McCain will have to fight a campaign on several fronts: attacks from Biden in foreign affairs and political matters and a campaign against the Bush economy and McCain's economic and social programs from Obama. If (or WHEN) the energy supply/demand problem rears its ugly head, McCain and Obama will be battling there, too.

This brings to the fore another interesting strength in Obama's new substance campaign: McCain continues to struggle with the right wing in attempts to pivot to the center in an election year where the whole country is swept with anti-Republican sentiment. The fact is that McCain spends more time arguing and defending and fighting with his base on litmus test issues in which the right wing remains entrenched in some deeply unpopular stands than he spends getting effective messages out about his great energy platform, for example, and Obama's poised to hit him right at that issue-focus weakness.

Indeed, with his campaign reformulation, Obama is shifting the battleground to those areas in which McCain is fighting the right ideologues on his flank, every day. This is a potentially critical problem for McCain, as he continues to be pinned down both from the "McJeering" left and the passive aggressive right wingers on energy, climate change, economic and other platform fronts.

MARKETING VS. REAL THING

One last point: whether this new Obama package is worth electing. Why not just elect Clinton or McCain, instead of a high-powered, dressed up lightweight imitation of an experienced, substantial, ready-to-lead centrist? So many times, excellent, prepared centrists get pushed aside during primary season, so that the general election's a choice between the lesser of two evils.

In some election years it makes sense to elect the party and not the person. I believe that this decade, "change" will be forced on us whether we want it or not. Our country, in order to face and deal with the changes that global growth and environmental dislocations are forcing on us, will need a bipartisan, pragmatic independent thinker with depth of experience, clear thinking tendencies and freedom from ideological impulses. Fortunately, there is a candidate like that being nominated this year.

For the last 8 years Democrats wished that, instead of the ideological and lightweight Bush who had dressed himself up as a centrist for the general election and posited the vague notion of a "compassionate conservative", McCain had instead won the 2000 Republican primary. Well, McCain did win the primary this year. I'd rather be voting for Clinton this Fall, but if I can't, I'll vote for McCain, the next best -- real -- pragmatic centrist candidate ready to lead.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 24, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl, can you explain this to me preferably without insulting, because I know many Obama supporters who are neither deluded nor dumb.

Do you feel that Obama made a poor choice, or that he betrayed Hillary Clinton in some way? How exactly does the choice of Biden have any correlation to Obama's church?

Biden may prove to be a bad choice, but I'm not sure it will be proven by the vacant stares of the very lifelike Wolf Blitzer and Gretchen Stockdale.

Posted by: DW | August 24, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Obama didn't pick Biden so much as he picked Biden and put Clinton's lipstick, pearls and earrings on him.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 24, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

It is an example of strength, judgment and non-defensiveness that Obama would reach out to the man who said in the debates that he didn't have the experience to be president and invite him to join the team. It is as if he is saying, "OK, come join us and enrich our team with the 35 years of Senatorial and foreign policy experience that you have."

This is an example of his wise, undefended judgment. It rings of Lincoln's choice of his political, rivals Seward, Chase, Cameron and Bates to join his cabinet. It is Obama's judgment that I see displayed in his choice of his campaign team, his speech on race, his choice of Biden and the considered way he responds to challenging questions, that attracts me to him and make me optimistic about America and the world under his presidency.

What a positive change it will be to have a president who’s judgment I understand and trust.

Posted by: Chris Harnish | August 24, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

ASPERGIRL'S BIDEN-PICK CONCLUSIONS AND
THOUGHTS RE: OBAMA'S NEW CAMPAIGN FORMULA

My first reaction to the Biden pick was that Obama must be mentally ill and have a deeply-ingrained, pathological grudge against Clinton. While it's hard to read between the lines of the blanket and well-coordinated media propaganda blast supporting Obama, I think many Democrats are dismayed not just by Biden's pick, but by the way the Obama campaign seems to have swiped the lipstick out of Clinton's purse and be putting it on Biden to dress him up for her voters. Picking Biden in itself makes sense if he weren't going to follow through with his risky "transformative change" ticket, and if he weren't going to pick Clinton. But putting Clinton's lipstick, earrings and pearls on him and lauding him up with words interchangeable with Clinton's resurgent campaign seems ghoulishly like that guy in Psycho with his dead mother in the upstairs bedroom.

It is my feeling that a spate of fundamentally unsettled articles today, like Frank Rich's unfocused attempt to explain away why Obama has dropped any pretense anymore of being a "change" or "transcendent" "new politics" leader, indicates a broad but subtle falling away from Obama by the more progressive members of his base. They will support him, but they aren't in love with him, anymore. His Biden pick and how he's dressed it up, is too fundamentally at odds with his whole message, theme, and marketing of himself, and too creepy a reprise of Clinton.

With his VP pick, Obama switched from a "change" and "new politics" ticket to an "old politics white senior DC pol who knows what he's teaching the young president" ticket. Obama also compromised his "new politics means I won't take cynical positions" earlier this Summer with a series of flip flops, including breaking his federal election funding pledge and other reversals that surprised the left winger progressives. Obama's deeply negative dive into spouse attacks cements the fall of Obama from the pedestal of his "new politics" rhetoric this Spring. Thus his perfect-worlder rhetoric has met reality, about 3 months after the end of primary season. Obama won't be forthcoming with new layers of specifics about his transformative "new politics" as his media fans have been suggesting he needs since he bombed at Saddleback. Obama's agbandoning it and reformulating his campaign as a Clinton-plus one (i.e. Hillary Clinton, not Bill Clinton) is his response to the inability to make his "transformative change" "new politics" campaign more meaningful and substantial.
Back to the subject of game-changing. Obama's now going to fight for the middle. There are a whole lot of problems with Obama trying to start a new campaign and pose as Clinton this late in the campaign season, but let's ignore that for now and assume he does everything perfectly without screw ups. Biden will do the foreign affairs and military stuff and handle the blue collar appeal. It's my feeling that Obama will tackle the economy and the post-convention campaign will be an attack on the Bush economy and McCain's weaknesses there. While Obama has made some strange missteps in his newly-unveiled reformulation of his campaign, the post-convention campaign will be more issue-focused and more substantive than that which went before.

It's my feeling that McCain will have to fight a campaign on several fronts: attacks from Biden in foreign affairs and political matters and a campaign against the Bush economy and McCain's economic and social programs from Obama.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 24, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I think it will be appropriate for the Democrats to start revisiting, with a vengeance, the Keating 5 scandal in which Senator McCain was found to be in the back pocket of the crooked owner of Lincoln Savings and Loan - a company that bilked billions from its investors. What is twenty year old sauce for the goose, is sauce for the gander.

Posted by: Chuck | August 24, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

LeeinSC is right. Among progressives and AAs, Ms. William Clinton has about zero support now. Her energies will be best spent winning them back for her Senate race than trying to run down Barack out of spite or anger.

Her gracious statement yesterday in support of Obama/Biden was a nice start. What she and her supporters say and do at the convention, though, will be the most important thing people will be watching.
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"The result? She loses yet again.
You guys might be wise to think about that.
Of course if you actually vote for McCain who is for making abortions illegal - I doubt you were ever a Democrat to begin wtih.

Posted by: LeeinSC | August 24, 2008 10:58 AM"

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Read "Hillary Fans Come to Terms with Ticket" in politico.com today.

Contrary to what various trolling and bloviating may suggest, the HRC crowd is coming around to BO. Aside from Ms. Wm. Clinton's statement yesterday in support of Obama/Biden, Wolfson, Lanny Davis, and Loretta Sanchez also have pledged support. The article also quotes an unnamed HRC aide admitting HRC's "baggage" (the aide's word) would have made her unacceptable as a BO veep. A wild card, though, apparently is the "roll call" vote for HRC which may set the stage for the unhinged and unglued to act out. 40 bouncers however have been hired to keep things civil at the convention. All in all, very good news.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

To all the Hillary backers who say they will vote for McCain. Think about what you are doing.
If you vote for McCain and Obama loses how many millions upon millions of Obama supporters will turn against Clinton in 2012? She won't get one person who voted for Obama to vote for her.
The result? She loses yet again.
You guys might be wise to think about that.
Of course if you actually vote for McCain who is for making abortions illegal - I doubt you were ever a Democrat to begin wtih.

Posted by: LeeinSC | August 24, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Peter Kent, HRC was not mistreated.

In fact our local paper's analysis today pointed out the convention concessions by Obama to Ms. Wm. Clinton are unprecedented in political history: giving the losing candidate and her family two whole days of the convention, allowing a specious reference to "sexism" causing her defeat to be placed in the platform, and permiiting a roll call vote for the loser so she and her "supporters" can enjoy a "catharsis" (HRC's word).

Moreover, Barack's people have contributed several hundreds of thousands to retire her campaign debt (incurred after she had already lost) -- something unprecedented in the history of the civilized world.

Barack did all of this even though many of his supporters believed these generous concessions were extremely, extremely unwise. Indeed, our local paper's analysis said any further concessions to her would raise questions about his judgment.

Surely her non-selection as veep was not "mistreatment." Millions of pages have been printed about why she was not appropriate that need not be repeated in full -- her explicitly racial attacks on Barack (which he ordered his campaign not to comment on or respond to), making campaign arguments aimed at hurting him in the general election, wishing him ill (the RFK a-card), inventing out of whole cloth (as documented in the Atlantic article with specific sourcing) the claim FL and MI were being disenfranchised in the voting process, and the tons of personal baggage (Vince Foster, Paula Jones, Whitewater, Travelgate, Dolly Kyle Browning, Troopergate, contributors to the WJ Clinton library, et al.).

Importantly, Barack was never nasty, kindly telling the media "she would be on anyone's veep short list" when in fact no rational campaign would have placed her on any list. The folks on TV pushing this negative agenda are mainly personal friends of hers (e.g., Estrich), professional contrarians who are paid to create discord for ratings, dittoheads masquerading as HRC supporters, or folks with an agenda (e.g., Buchanan). I have never heard any everyday people spew the anti-Obama drivel I hear on the cable bloviator shows.

Given that Hillary gave a statement yesterday supporting the O/Joe ticket (her most gracious gesture this year), there is no longer any rational good-faith basis for those claiming to be her supporters to continue to bash Barack. If they do, it's not about their support for HRC but about something else. This negative anti-Barack stuff (which smells suspiciously like trolling) should end now.

Posted by: Captain America | August 24, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

>>Alan Arthur Kate wrote: ">> Pete Killian wrote: "She was passed over for a man whom she outpaced in the primaries by a factor of over 75 to 1."
--"What in heaven does this mean, aside from more of your outright lying Republican talking points?"

God, you Obama bots are dumb.

He's talking about Biden. Biden got 5 thousand primary votes and Clinton got 18 million.

IN every way, Biden is an inferior version of Clinton -- he's going to be used for all the same demographics and purposes that Clinton would have been. Obama even trying to introduce Biden as his campaign's "fighter" born in "Scranton" (PA). Someone wrote an article drawing up the parallels about how the Obama campaign is trying to make Biden into a Clinton, using the same kind of imagery and phrases Clinton's resurgent campaign in late Spring used.

But Biden is lame, unappealing campaign material, where the Clintons are powerhouses.

But that poster's words are wrong, the 75-to-1 was true for how much Clinton beat Biden by, only while Biden was in the race. After Biden dropped out Clinton went on to get millions more votes. Her 18 million votes to Biden's 5 thousand means she outperformed him by a factor of 5,000.

Biden is a dreadful choice, that reveals only the depth of Obama's grudges and grievance-mindedness. He does indeed reflect the mentality of a 20-year member of Trinity Church.

It's funny because despite all the pre-written articles and talking head blurbs enthused about the pick, if you took some time to look at the broadcast coverage, you could see the faces didn't agree at all with their words. Most Democratic pundits were saying the most positive, optimistic things -- without even smiling, but with flat affect and dead eyes.

It was like interview of the living dead talking heads, yesterday, on channel after channel. But their words were so uplifted and positive about Biden. Creepy and hypocritical.

The only lively faces were the Republicans.

Obama really stepped in it.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 24, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

"Shania, the racists in any community will greatly affect the polls for BOTH presidential candidates."

you mean like how the obama campaign labeled biden a racist before he was selected as VP?

Oppose Obama.. you're a racist.. for obama your not.

Obama is using race to separate americans

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Chicago for Hillary (August 24, 2008 1:48 AM), unless it's O and Joe for 2008, there is zero chance of Hillary 2012, 2016, or 2020. In fact, HRC for reelection to Senate would not be certain.

Let's be clear, if he loses, she will be directly and personally blamed. Your mode of thinking (which I suspect is not legit and just trolling and troublemaking) is not helpful to anyone, especially HRC. Hillary is backing the O/Joe ticket so if you are her supporter (allegdely), shouldn't you?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Comment one: Obama offers a presidency similar to the one we have now, a fool in a suit promising "change" and a veep who handles the heavy lifting. How I hope this isn't the model for the future.
Comment two: Hillary couldn't have withstood the vetting process. Too many of the Clinton's financial shenanigans would have come to light.

Posted by: Neil in Durango | August 24, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Will my vote count?

I like Senator Biden. I will vote Biden (Democrat) as VP and McCain (Republican) as President. They are good buddies for 35 years. You want bi-bartisan in Washington. McCain Biden would be great in the White House.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

I love the fact that the "Change" candidate who wants to fundamentally alter the way business is conducted in Washington picks as his veep the old white guy who's been around since the year before the flood.

Posted by: Irina | August 24, 2008 5:36 AM | Report abuse

correction:

Egad, that should be "tongue" not "tough." Jesus Murphy!

Posted by: Gary K. | August 24, 2008 5:35 AM | Report abuse

DW:

“PS -- the "Democrat party"? Come on, you sound like Tom DeLay!”

Well, I’m not Tom Delay if that make you feel any better. lol.

The “Democratic” party never quite sounded right to me. A party member is a Democrat, not a Democratic. So I say the Democrat party. Wrong or right, it just rolls off my tough easier. Sue me. ;)

Posted by: Gary K. | August 24, 2008 5:30 AM | Report abuse

>> Pete Killian wrote: "She was passed over for a man whom she outpaced in the primaries by a factor of over 75 to 1."

What in heaven does this mean, aside from more of your outright lying Republican talking points?

Um, as far as I know, Obama WON the primary, not Hillary. He won the delegates, the won the most states, he won the popular vote (omitting the disallowed Michigan Soviet-style election). He won it all. 75-to-1? What are you thinking??

Then you bash Obama and Biden for misspeaking (and correcting) during speeches today. But none of that could be as bad as McCain's continued confusion of Sunni and Shia, not knowing how many homes he owns, dead, confused silence when asked about birth control, lying one minute about what he said the previous minute ("I never said I was weak on the economy") and lying endlessly in his mindless attack ads (high oil prices caused by Barack Obama, Obama wants to tax seniors and raise taxes on anyone who makes over $42,000).

Your candidate, who once was a man of integrity, has devolved into a lying hypocrite driven by Karl Rove and the politics of hate and division, and you have the -nerve- to blame Obama for bringing on one of the acknowledged experts in the entire world on foreign relations?

Shame on you. You are pathetic. As is your addled candidate.

Posted by: Alan Arthur Katz | August 24, 2008 4:43 AM | Report abuse

Obama's choice of Biden was brilliant! It shows Obama is a pragmatist, not an ideologue; and that Obama will enlist the "best and the brightest" to serve on his team. Biden brings other assets, such as his working class roots and ability to attack McCain/Bush effectively. Biden guarantees the Democrats will carry states like Pennsylvania, Ohio and Michigan and win the election!

Posted by: Jim | August 24, 2008 4:01 AM | Report abuse

Shania, the racists in any community will greatly affect the polls for BOTH presidential candidates. Why are the racists in the black community so much more of a threat??

And seeing as how Colin Powell dropped Bush like a hot potato,I highly doubt he will even accept a place alongside Bush's bobsie-twin McCain.

I like what Obama had to say about Biden.I wasn't a big fan of Biden back in Feb, especially when he made the classic remark about Obama's ability to speak well. I think it's shows maturity on the Obama side to recognize true genius in the making without holding on so desperately to the past remarks. Biden is smart regardless of his at times silly mouth. McCain..eeeh..not so much.

To Anon: On Biden's age. Obama couldn't have solely picked Biden for reasons of age, that would be just dumb. See that age many times comes with experience, experiences that Obama has lacked being his age. What's wrong with that? Do you suggest that Obama signs up to go to fight in Iraq because he's never been to war? I am tired of that excuse.

Both the potential dem. P and VP have had their rocky moments on the campaign trail,if elected however they will end senseless war and work for the people who actually support this dwindling economy. That's a hellavulot more than I can say for John McWarmonger.

Obama-Biden '08

Posted by: Nia | August 24, 2008 3:57 AM | Report abuse

plagiarism: After living through the last 16 years, people gonna think that's cute.

Biden will help with working class white voters which are the only segment of the Democratic base Obama is having trouble with. Biden isn't from a political dynasty or great wealth. He's respected and has been in the national spotlight a long time. We assume he's a known quantity, but then again we assumed the same thing about Dick Cheny.
A good performance from Hilary and Bill at the convention will bring an end to the riff inside the Democratic leadership. Whether that translates into a healing of the rift in the Democratic rank and file is another question. I think the leadership is afraid they wont be able to get enough of the Clitonites down from Mosada and there could be a nasty Presidential surprise come election day. Watch for Biden and the Clintons to campaign together.
This is just a guess but another reason to pick Biden, besides the sheer pleasure of watching Republicans trying to blow up "plagiarism" to the status of treason, is that he's very quick witted and he doesn't mind a political knife fight. His seat in DE is secure, he can get in the mud with McCain and risk nothing.
The reason I think this is McCains temper is legendary, I can't believe the Dems aren't going to make a concerted effort to get McCain to publicly erupt or start swapping insults with their VP candidate. If I were Joe Biden I'd be on a mission to push Grandpas' buttons until me and Grandpa are rolling around in the mud of the public square. If Biden can get McCain to publicly go four letter (which supposedly isn't hard), that's a wrap.
President in waiting Obama will of course watch from distant, Presidential-looking locations (I hope they burned that seal), bemoaning the state of American political discourse, making the change candidate a shoe in over the howling partisan calling Joe Biden an Islamo-plagiarist

Posted by: dijetlo | August 24, 2008 3:39 AM | Report abuse

SEN. OLYMPIA SNOWE of Maine would be a excellent VP for Sen. McCain.
She is smart, honest, classy, pretty, woman, experienced, moderate and refined. Sen. McCain and her have much in common.

Please, check her out on wikipedia. She would be an excellent choice, no matter who Dem. chooses.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 2:46 AM | Report abuse

Anyone who "claims" to be a Hillary supporter and now says will vote for McCain is clearly a traditional Republican who was only voting for HC because she is a woman. There is no way you can be a legitimate backer of the beliefs of HC and support McCain.

The past year has shown that the politics of the Republican right/chicken hawks are a losing proposition. There is not one area where the US is in better shape today than when Bush took his second term.

The economy – worse

Oil/gas independence – worse

Iraq – worse

Afghanistan – worse

Deficit – worse

On Bush’s watch we now have the Cold War starting up again. Boy, what a bunch of winners these Republicans have been

Oh, and by the way, we finally caught bin Ladan, right?

McCain has already stated he will support many of Bush's policies. He is a disaster and will ruin the country even more.

Posted by: Brad | August 24, 2008 2:32 AM | Report abuse

Gary: You're absolutely right that Truman and LBJ both served more than one term, but neither was elected twice. Truman finished FDR's fourth term, won in 1948 but dropped out of the 1952 election after a poor early showing. Johnson's situation was similar, winning by landslide in 1964 but declining to run in 1968. It's another thing entirely, I think, to do what Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan, Clinton, and Bush have done: win twice.

PS -- the "Democrat party"? Come on, you sound like Tom DeLay!


Chicago: I genuinely do not understand the antipathy that so many Clinton supporters have for Obama. I think you're right that the media fawns over him, but they have long fawned over John McCain in similar fashion. Can you help me understand this?

Posted by: DW | August 24, 2008 2:05 AM | Report abuse

Obama just slapped 18 million of us across the face. He can kiss my a$$ if he thinks we will vote for him now. This will be a repeat of the Bush-Cheney White House, with the white-haired dude running the show from the bunker while the young recovering substance abuser fronts the office. It is pathetic. I like Biden, but now have lost all respect for him. Obama has telegraphed his own weakness to the world, and the charade that he has perpetrated thus far is starting to unravel. He has used finesse to get this far in life, and finesse ain't gonna cut it in a campaign against the Republicans. BHO has way too many skeletons in the closet that the MSM have failed to present to the masses.

I wonder what it will feel like when I have to vote Republican for the first time in my life? I think I'll feel less like I need to shower than if I held my nose and voted for Barry the poser.

Hillary 2012

Posted by: Chicago for Hillary | August 24, 2008 1:48 AM | Report abuse

The best choice for John McCain's VP-Condi Rice.

Posted by: madhatter | August 24, 2008 1:35 AM | Report abuse

DW:

While I agree with your assessment about the Clintons being the “old Guard,” indeed, they’ve been the de facto leaders of the Democrat party since 1992, but, with no disrespect to you, I take it that you meant to say that no Democrat has been elected President for two consecutive terms since FDR? Because, both Truman and Johnson were elected to second terms (Truman served over 7 years himself).

Posted by: Gary K. | August 24, 2008 1:27 AM | Report abuse

I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned Biden's son is in the Delaware National Guard and has served in Iraq as a Judge Advocate General.

Posted by: Nash_Insecurity | August 24, 2008 1:23 AM | Report abuse

I think that when the dust settles...voters will be more comfortable with an Obama Presidency with Biden as VP.

http://www.myspace.com/obamabiden

Posted by: Peter | August 24, 2008 1:18 AM | Report abuse

“The reason HRC was not vetted was out of respect. Barack reasoned she had already been "publicly vetted" so there was no need to inconvenience her by demanding paperwork. Let's not turn an act of kindness into an imagined snub.”

Of course that’s the truth, but when has any partisan jackass ever added context to there assessments? It’s a cognitive function that is too hard for them to contemplate.

BTW, the PUMAs have already been exposed as Republicans in sheep’s clothing. The leader of the largest Democrats for McCain group (the name escapes me at the moment) had donated $500 to Bush in 2000 and 2004. And she didn’t deny it when pressed on the issue. Laughable.

So nowadays, when I see someone claim to be a former Democrat or a Democrat for McCain, I sit back, laugh, and image these clowns handing over their money to GWBush.
And we wonder why Hillary's campaign went broke? It’s because they didn’t give her a dime. Their money was already safe and sound in the coffers of the RNC.

Posted by: Gary K. | August 24, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

I don't get Faux News, but from the postings here I can surmise that the pundits paid by Roger Ailes are harping on Obama's inexperience and psychobabble about the choice of someone older being a sign of insecurity.

Those of you who keep posting comments drawn from Faux News need to change the channel, or better yet, read some broader newspapers. I can think of 8-10 papers I regularly read each week.

Posted by: Nash_Insecurity | August 24, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

Anotherview, that sounds like revisionist history to me. Hillary Clinton was already the overwhelming favorite for the 2008 Democratic nomination moments after Ohio was declared for George Bush in 2004.

I don't know whom you consider the "Old Guard," but it's hard to imagine that term applied to anyone but the Clinton camp: Bill Clinton is the only Democrat since FDR to win a second term, the eventual chair of Hillary Clinton's campaign, Terry McAuliffe, was Chair of the DNC from 2001-2005, and Clinton surrogates played significant roles in the establishment of the primary system in which Barack Obama eventually prevailed.

I have no problem with critiques of Obama's inexperience, but let's not pretend that he didn't win by the Clintons' own rules, which says a great deal about his political skill, if nothing else.

Posted by: DW | August 24, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Pete Kent wrote:Bush failed because he mismanaged Iraq, and because his mismanaged the budget (query is Portman to blame or did he leave b.c he was not listened to), as the housing crisis flared up and gas soared he became the bogey man in whom all bad things were projected. Its’ a lot to ask of a man and a lot to ask that all that enmity - -if it holds upon – be transferred to McCain.

It is in fact easy to run against tyhe out going president. Carter actually ran against the president before the out going President. You say, "President Bush and his Party screwed up everything not directly owned by the Weather Service, and was working on that. John here wants us to have four more years of george the incompetent."

Now John has to run down his own President to detach himself, and he can't do that plausibly when he also has to tell THEBASE (off stage whinny of terrified horses) that they were absolutely right in their President. By the time competent ad men get done with John he will have to go back to Panama and check his birth records to see if he had a twin, from whom he was separated at birth.

George's mistake was assuming that his incompetence had always gotten him bailed out before, so he could do about any dumb stunt he wanted and motivated men would rectify his (only one word really fits here) 's. There were highly motivated men there, but they insisted in telling the President the truth, which is a firing offense in a Bush company.

George's problem was insisting on doing it George's way. Harding and Grant rest lighter, now, George is far and a way the worst President, with far and away the most corrupt administration.

And we will make John McCain take ownership of every stinking part of it.

Posted by: ceflynline@msn.com | August 24, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

From before 2004 DNC Convention the push has been for Obama to be the nominee. Presumably this effort has come from the old guard who just can't handle the idea of Clinton being the head of the DNC.

This effort, with the media right in line, continued through the primary, and now into the selection of the VP.

So now we have the ultimate insider with the rookie who makes a great figurehead. So who really here is the presidential candidate here? Obama said, " He (Biden) will make a great president."

Obama is more like the figurehead on an old schooner, there for goodluck, but with the full mass of the ship behind her, and an unseen captain at the helm.


Posted by: anotherview | August 24, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

SEN. OBAMA CHOICE DEMONSTRATES SEN. OBAMA SELF DOUBT IN HIS OWN JUDGEMENT, EXPERIENCE AND ABILITIES.
Young, scared and inexperienced leaders usually elect older assistant to hold their hands and to cover for their many weaknesses. For example: Pres. Bush and V. Pres. Chaney.

BTW, why should Americans put trust, confidence, and thousands of nuclear weapons and safety of world in Sen. Obama hands when he does not have confidence and trust in himself?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Some think that this is a snub to Hilary Clinton, but if my experience in local politics is any indication, anyone who thinks the Clinton camp (as well as Richardson, etc.) wasn't consulted is naive. If nothing else, that was done to help heal wounds. And is it possible that Biden was chosen, in part, because he'll be 74 in eight years? Hilary will be 69 but not having that "7" in front is significant. She may be more willing to more strongly support an Obama-Biden ticket than, say, Obama-Webb, etc.

Posted by: Mickey Cashen | August 24, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Barack Obama has clearly sewn up the Biden wing of the Democratic Party.

What that represents is not entirely clear. The MSN seems to want to anoint him as a working class hero, a man who has lived through adversity and now has a son going to Iraq. He is painted as man of great experience, more than 30 years in the Senate.

Much of this, except for the political longevity seems new to me. Joe Biden has been on the national scene since at least his failed run for the Presidency in 1988. He garnered a handful of votes this year, his campaign being most notable for commenting on Obama’s hygiene and lack of experience.

I suppose a man who is largely unknown will get to define himself and if he wants to he can cast himself as working class hero. But it rings a bit tinny for this Senator with decade’s long service in the Senate with his principal focus being foreign affairs all of a sudden picking up the cause of the common man.

Biden adds little to the ticket geographically. Delaware is a safe state and if this guy can help in PA well, good, but if that’s the margin of victory then Obama has more problems than it appears.

There is nothing intrinsically exciting about Biden and this may be why he garnered only about 250,000 votes out of 37 million cast.

I had wanted to say he was the Dick Gephardt of the new millennium, but that’s unfair to Gephardt.

It is unfair to to make too much of the VP choice, and in truth Obama made a decent choice in a bad situation. Biden is smart and a highly respected politician, a statesman of sorts. He also is not shy on the attack. All of these qualities will stand him in good stead.

It remains debatable about whether the pick satisfied the cardinal rule: don’t hurt yourself with your pick.

Let’s start with Obama’s biggest problem: Hillary Clinton. Obama cleverly has pushed Mrs. C off the stage for the moment. With her roll call, and the family speeches she had threatened to take over the convention and by delaying his pick until Saturday at 3 AM (!). Obama was able to dominate the news cycle until today and will do so through Monday, at least, so he got a short term advantage.

But Obama has done nothing to stem his long term damage.

The PUMAs are furious over the way Hil was treated in the process. It has become clear that she was not even vetted at the end. She was passed over for a man whom she outpaced in the primaries by a factor of over 75 to 1. A man who is supposed to do for Obama what everyone believes she herself could do. Nail down blue collar white votes in places like PA and OH. Something she had done handily long after Biden left the race.

Many will dismiss these PUMAs a Republican figment, but the pundits are on the air talking about it. Susan Estrich just said on Fox that her email is “buzzing with anger” over the way Hillary was treated. And the McCain campaign has already put up an ad criticizing Obama for passing her over. That sounds like a political first. Got to websites like “Hillary is 44” and you get a picture of dissatisfied voters willing to vote for McCain, if only to punish Obama and the establishment that they feel unfairly turned them aside. There is no fury like a woman scorned!

Many of you have heard the PUMA leaders on various media outlets proclaiming their disaffection. There is no doubt that Hillary and most likely Bill will be gracious at the convention, but they know their supporters will understand the code under which they are living and will carry the water for them independent of anything that the former first couple says.

The next problem: The VP pick is supposed to fill out the top dog’s weaknesses. Sometimes this is electoral, sometimes it demographic or personality. Here it is experiential. What the Biden pick shows is that Obama felt the heat of his inexperience, particularly on the foreign policy front and by picking Biden he filled in that gap, but also highlighted it.

Opponents snipe at each other all time, but Biden went to the jugular attacking Obama on his seminal weakness, lack of experience.

Finally, if you listened to the speeches today from Springfield there wasn’t a lot of hope and change. We got a clear signal that Obama is abandoning that theme.

First he choose anti-change with the consummate Washington Insider in Biden and then both he and his running mate went to a populist theme of going after the working class and the gripes of the little people against the entrenched interests. There is no change there, no post-partisanship, no reaching across the aisle and finding common found in that. Populism has been the message of the Democratic Party since FDR. Ain't nothing new in that.

If Springfield was any evidence of where the Obama campaign is heading I say it is heading for a big “ho hum”. The bloom is off the rose. I don’t think Biden cements a thing with the true believers; as Hillary might have given them hope for victory. Now it remains a slog.

If McCain is smart he will avoid the trap that Biden represents. To go for the attack dog, the big debater. He needs to use his pick more epically, more tonally.

Romey will be looked on as the safe choice, but he brings demographic weakness with evangelicals. And give life to the seven to eleven house gaffe. Pawlenty is the sentimental choice and will bring youth and freshness and his own heartland populist appeal to the Sam’s Club voters. Ridge and Liebermann’s trial balloons sunk like lead.

I continue to come back to Rob Portman, the telegenic family man from Cincinnati whose quiet authority and laser like intelligence will assure that he will hold his own in any conversation. His coming from Ohio will help and draw the contrast with Biden as the Eastern pick. His stones in the budget and trade and economic matters generally will stand him in good stead.

That Portman is a former official of the Bush Administration is his only problem. But I wonder how much this guilt by association goes. Portman survived his stint in Washington with his reputation enhanced. He is likely to get a media honeymoon. His personal likeability assures that. In truth the Republicans do not lack for attack dogs against Barack Obama. Besides he is better attacked abstractly through the media rather than directly, personally.

McCain has the chance to go for a game changer and a dark horse who the media will be forced to cover and discover, it should be good for substantial coverage right through and passed the convention.

Nate seems to want to hang this campaign on running against Bush and presented a contrast against Bush. I think that misses the trajectory by just enough to spin him out of orbit. Bush failed because he mismanaged Iraq, and because his mismanaged the budget (query is Portman to blame or did he leave b.c he was not listened to), as the housing crisis flared up and gas soared he became the bogey man in whom all bad things were projected. Its’ a lot to ask of a man and a lot to ask that all that enmity - -if it holds upon – be transferred to McCain.

McCain-Portman ‘08

********

The Gaffes have begun:

Obama: “the next PRESIDENT of the United States . . . “

Biden: “Barack America”

A bit self-conscious aren’t we?

Posted by: Pete Kent | August 24, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Biden may also be a trap for the Rovian junta. Whatever they decide is unacceptable in Biden can be found more recently in McCain, with the exception, maybe, of his Plagiarism. As for the plagiarism, I seriously doubt that any one who was undecided or leaning Obama will know or care. Plagiarism is a subject for bad TV dramas. The Republicans will certainly talk about it, knowing ll along that their feeble thrust leaves them open to telling ripostes dealing with McCains character and values. Barack himself seems deep enough to be forseeing some of those thrusts, and he has at his beck and call far deeper and more cunning politicians. Don't bet that WJC isn't back in the boiler room looking five or six moves down the board for Barack. I get the sense that when Barack, or whoever was most directly responsible for the decision got to the point where there were three postulates left, he began looking at how each of them might be a trap for Nasty Republican Hubris. McCain can get a quite sleazy patina from the other Republican war rooms disgusting attacks on EITHER Biden OR Obama.

And when the middle can no longer accept holding their nose to vote TOP, the collapse of the party is assured.

Posted by: ceflynline@msn.com | August 23, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

The reason HRC was not vetted was out of respect. Barack reasoned she had already been "publicly vetted" so there was no need to inconvenience her by demanding paperwork. Let's not turn an act of kindness into an imagined snub.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Shania, if anything this year we need to be concerned about the racists among the black community. Now that we finally have a white candidate for president, I wonder if blacks will be willing to vote for him.

Posted by: Dave | August 23, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous:

I cleaned up your post for you - "There are 18 million (broke or unwilling to send HRC a dollar) people who would love to show you their middle finger (why don't you show Hill some money instead?).

(27 pretending to be millions) Democrats for McBush."

Why are you deadenders mad at me? If you're not going to acknowledge Hillary's utter FAILURE as a presidential candidate, why don't you shift the blame to Linda Tripp or Gennifer Flowers or Vince Foster or Buddy & Socks or ...

Posted by: bondjedi | August 23, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Hey Harlemboy -

There is no such thing as a moderate East-Coast-liberal. The coasties (ie Manhattan and San Francisco) border on the far left fringe politically.
As for Biden. I'm delighted with this choice. A smarmy, egotistical hothead debating a smart, charming and accomplished Romney? You must be dreaming if you think Biden will look good next to someone who is level-headed. Just as BHO has looked confused and pandering when pressed with real questions and not a teleprompter. Can BHO now say he is for change when Biden is one of the longest standing and most ideologue of the Washington elite?

Posted by: Coach | August 23, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

McCain should pick Colin Powell so the racists among the black communities will have difficulty choosing between him and Obama.

Posted by: shania white | August 23, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Connie in Indiana -

If you elect Obama your grandchildren's children will be in Iraq. His appeasement surrender policy gaurantees an implosion in what is becoming and increasingly more stable region.
You want the world to respect us? Do you remember how much respect Kruchev gave a naive JFK? Now, imagine Putin and BHO...

Posted by: Coach | August 23, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

I am so sick of this long race we must look like idiots to the world. Fighting like children with the name calling. I can hardly wait for November so we can git er done.

OBAMA-BIDEN '08

Posted by: OBAMA-BIDEN '08 | August 23, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

LOL I like this one

Osama Biden = OSama BiNLAden (thanks EMartinez - hey have to give credit where credit is due, unlike a certain VP pick) = ELITSIST EGOTIST

Beware America !! your worst nightmare is here LOL

Vote for McCain

Registered Democrat for McCain :)

Posted by: AsBee | August 23, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

>>tina wrote: "They just have to figure out how to get a custom made muzzle for him, by ears start hurting when he starts on the long winded comments."

I.e. face plugs to go with those hair plugs?

The Obama machine will fail, independently of anything Biden says or does.

It's inevitable. The system that is his campaign, is impaired for reasons that cannot be fixed now.

There is nothing Obama can do now, even attacking McCain more will make McCain be the sympathetic figure that Clinton became in the end after all the bashing. The more Obama attacks McCain, the more he humanizes the old prickly guy.

Obama had a limited number of ways to win the election if the two candidates were still close coming out of the conventions. But Obama is running out of ways to win the election on account of the stuff he did.

Things are almost to the point where Obama can only react to events and not drive any.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 23, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Very simple change and addition of a couple of letters render the last names of the Democratic presidential and vp interesting and eerie...
Obama Biden
OSama BiNLAden

Posted by: EMartinez | August 23, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

The ELITIST & The EGOTIST :) wow, what a combination.

Vote for McCain ; HRC in 2012

Registered Democrat for McCain :)

Posted by: AsBee | August 23, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

>>dyinglikeflies wrote: "Amazing- for many of the people claiming to support Obama, it's still all about hating Hillary Clinton. What a truly vacant message Obama brings."

They want to hurt and damage the Clintons even if it costs them the election. They feel pathological hatred, sociopathic groupthink.

They're evil.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 23, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Sanji Taj has had more cool-aid then most. Hello? Wake-up LOL

Vote for McCain :)

Registered Democrat for McCain

Posted by: AsBee | August 23, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

sanji taj (August 23, 2008 9:55 PM), interesting choices for the new adminstration's cabinet and appointments. Re Edwards, though, I think he will be otherwise occupied. See National Enquirer.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

charleschaplin (August 23, 2008 9:44 PM), you went out with the talkies. You were better silent.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

I am a supporter of OBAMA/BIDEN , but I believe Mrs.Clinton will be in the administration in a job she can do what she wants to do to help the little guy.I do not know why the media, the pundits and Hillary supporters believe you should speak for her.She can speak quite well,she will be alright. Obama/Biden 08
Connie from Indiana

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

The Biden pick is the best possible pick in the field of available candidates and whether they may better suited in another position in the new administration to make it more effective. Old insiders and new power players. With the hornets nest that McCain and cronies continue to poke the Russian Bear and the Chinese dragon, Biden brings extensive quality experience in dealing with foreign relations issues and most importantly he knows who the power players are. He was chairman of the judicuiary committe. He is articulate, knowledgeable, tough and able to attack another white dude without having color come into play when attaacking McCain's integrity and ethics. He calms lower and middle whites uncertainty in accepting a man of color as president, and as the poorest Senator, people identify with those whos are like them. Hillary would embrace the position as a Supreme Court Justice and be a long term pillar for progressives and women. Wesley Clark would be a great Sec. of Defense, having been NATO Supreme Commander and knowing all the major players in the NATO Alliance to make preparations for Russian and Chinese adventures and he also has strong political connections to many governments. Al Gore would be a fantastic pick for Secretary of State for many of the same reason as Gen. Clark but his political contacts are platinum. No sane person challenges the depth of his intelligence and integrity and his prestige.
John Edwards, yes, he is tainted (we are all human, our personal sexual angst are problematic only because people insist in getting in other peoples business. But lets get real, he's not only been a senator which gives him tremendous prestige and access, but he is also a successful corporate litigation lawyer ...and a winner. With the increasing stranglegold of corporation we need a bulldog lawyer to sic on 'em!! Suing corporations is what he does best and he know what the small writing on the contracts says. We need a legal eagle hungry to clear his conscience...ok, public service then...you are now attorney general and we want you to work with ralph nadar and "go get 'em!!" Success will be his vindication...his penance. And of course asking, with all dur respect, Mr Jimmy Carter to serve his country at this time as Secretary of the Interior (and I think he should still be addressed, unless he asks declines, "Mr. President".
The precient Mr. Carter in this age of climate change, overpopulation, famine, ecological disasters, etc., would be a masterful architect of placing America on a "Green" footing with the help of Gore, Edwards and of course Mr. Nadar, who I would quiet politically,and intellectually exploit, as Sec of the Dept of Labor.
He and Edwards, with the wisdom of Carter, would be able to reinvigorate the middle class and open great opportunities for those at the bottom of society. I am still working out all the optimal picks and the communication matrices based on experience and working association with their peers. I welcome input and ideas for my upcoming paper (I will cite your ideas). thepsychedoc@yahoo.com

Posted by: sanji taj | August 23, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Apparently the Obama campaign message is all about sticking it to the Clintons. Just read the unity mesages of their supporters months after she has fallen on her sword for the chosen one.

Not Even Vetted, laughable.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

"Wait until Obama, Pelosi, and Reid torpedo Hillary's run at Senate Majority Leader. Then you'll really have something to squawk about.
Now shut up and get on board.
Posted by: bondjedi"

Amazing- for many of the people claiming to support Obama, it's still all about hating Hillary Clinton. What a truly vacant message Obama brings.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | August 23, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

This is not surprising for the Democratic Party. DNC super-delegates are thoroughly dysfunctional lot. For years they have been “Snatching defeat out of jaws of victory.” It absurd to think that Democrat Barack Obama is going to fix that Republican George Bush messed up. Barack Obama owes much to George Bush. Barack is an inextricable part of George. But I am so astounded that people in the media fail to see that. They say the obvious, nothing more. And the American media is so bankrupt they can’t provide Americans with fresh insight and thoughtful analysis. For that reason our country is lurching from crisis to crisis. Even the New York Times is very lame. So is the Washington Post. These organizations are so incompetent, staffed by same old same old people for years, these individuals must be half asleep when they write. Same is true about ABC, NBC, CBS, NPR, PBS, CNN and the woefully basic and half witted, but self congratulating American media. These organizations are responsible for George Bush leading America over edge. And these people in the media have been cheering hard for Barack Obama. They give high praise and high marks for inexperienced Sen. Barack Obama. They turned every political event in a political commercial for him. For me that’s good enough reason for not voting for Barack Obama. I think Barack Obama is going to be worse than George Bush, if elected. In fact Sen. Obama’s meteoric political rise is a result of the devastation cause by George Bush. I think both of them are politically interconnected like twins much more so than John McCain’s Republican connection to George Bush. Our image worshiping media has now endowed us with terribly inexperienced candidate like Sen. Obama, who has very little political experience both domestically and internationally. If you think our troubles are going to be over with George Bush you sadly mistaken. With Sen. Barack Obama will continue the Bush legacy. What I really mean is that inexperienced Barack Obama is another George Bush. The striking similarity between them is in their successful campaigns. As president inexperienced Barack Obama would be an equal disaster. Joe Biden can’t do anything to change anything except blow more hot air. And that’s why he was chosen by Barack Obama. Joe Biden got more hot air than anybody else!

Posted by: charleschaplin | August 23, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Posting 9:33, You sound very infantile,I am sure Mrs.Clinton would be very proud of you. NOT.
OBAMA/BIDEN 08
Connie

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Hey bonjedi- Did you see this Mastercard commercial today? I did:

Joseph Biden- Twice Failed Presidential Candidate- 1st to plagiarism next to comments about Obama's hygiene and Indian 7 Eleven cashiers- 5000 votes in 2007-8 Primaries.

Hilary Clinton- Once failed Presidential Candidate- Lost to sexism and the theft of Michigan/Florida Delegates- 18 million votes in 2007-8 Primaries.

Obama Choosing Biden- PRICELESS!

Posted by: Scott | August 23, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

"Now shut up and get on board."

There are 18 million people who would love to show you their middle finger.

Democrats for McCain.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

From reading these blogs I have realized what I have always thought. Americans are STUPID and RACIST.Twelve years of Bush administration under a different name.I am voting to put my family first.I have seven grandchildren that I will not allow to be drafted.If you idiots put McSenile in the white house you will have my grandchildrens blood on your hands. To all the Hillary supports shut up , Hillary will be voting for Obama. OBAMA/BIDEN 08
Connie from Indiana

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Here's an example of circular thinking. If Obama picks Biden, it's an admission of inexperience. By that same barometer, if McCain chooses someone more than ten years younger, it's an admission he's too old for the job. I don't see saliance in either argument, each of which sounds more like psycho-babble than keen political insight.

http://www.walkaboutjones.com

Posted by: Walkabout Jones | August 23, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Here's an example of circular thinking. If Obama picks Biden, it's an admission of inexperience. By that same barometer, if McCain chooses someone more than ten years younger, it's an admission he's too old for the job. I don't see saliance in either argument, each of sounds more like psycho-babble than keen political insight.

http://www.walkaboutjones.com

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Gto - I provided a fairly thorough analysis of the pros and cons of numerous potential VP picks for McCain: Ridge, Hutchinson, Huckabee, Pawlenty, and Romney.

Instead of simply being an unreflective cheerleader for Romney, why not trying to critique the analyses I made.

Posted by: John Martin | August 23, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

This is the sweetest day of this election cycle, reading the few dozen supporters Hillary has left crying into their boilermakers.

Has it sunk in yet, my pretty little pumas? Hillary is done done done, and would gladly trade her few vocal supporters for 13 million with more than a dollar to their name. Hillary nation needs something akin to a curse jar - every time one of her dozens of supporters speaks up for back-alley abortions and ten dollar a gallon gas by saying vote for McCain, they should send a dollar to Hillary Central. (And you might as well send it there because the campaign took out a full-year lease on it; think about that when you're giving your hard-earned money to this political Titanic).

Wait until Obama, Pelosi, and Reid torpedo Hillary's run at Senate Majority Leader. Then you'll really have something to squawk about.

Now shut up and get on board.

Posted by: bondjedi | August 23, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone else notice that Michelle Shaniqua Obama was in full ghetto regalia today?

Posted by: Dianne72 | August 23, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

treetopfyer-
Fly back to your treetop-NOONE RUNS AGAINST AN INCUMBENT IN THEIR OWN PARTY!!!

Posted by: Scott | August 23, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Let's take a moment to reflect: this is only the most important moment in recent American history leading to a crucial decision about which we all feel very strongly. Obama is not experienced enough to be President, by his own running mate's still unrepented opinion. Yet he enrolls his supporters in "Camp Obama" two day cult meetings in order to convince them he is. We're fighting a cult of personality! Let's not let Joe Biden's history of plagiarism distract us. It's nothing compared to Obama's inexperience.

Posted by: Scott | August 23, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse


Now that Obama has made hsi pick.

The best choice McCain could make is Romney. Romney's resume made him the best choice among Republicans and most of the Democrats who ran for president.

Compare Obama's nothing padded resume to Romney's.

Romney would be good insurance for those worried about McCain's age. Romney could step up and do the job of president from day 1.

Biden has all the attributes that Obama said he was running against when he was campigning for the nomination. so does not not make the choice of Biden Obama's biggest flip flop?

Posted by: William | August 23, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

"Democrats - don't sit home. Vote for McCain in November ; HRC in 2012"

Why? So Hillary can run against someone worse than her, as opposed to someone who's better? If Obama's such a bad choice, wouldn't Hillary be as likely to beat him as McCain? If, on the other hand, Obama's the better choice this election, whose interests does it serve other than Clinton's if McCain's elected? Talk about narcissism!

Posted by: treetopflyer | August 23, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Wow, considering how the MSM has treated the Messiah, it is funny to note the anger you folks express with Mr. Fournier LOL

Best way to show your anger at anything is to use your vote appropiately :)

Vote for McCain in November ; HRC in 2012

Registered Democrat for McCain :)

Posted by: AsBee | August 23, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

I think "Obama = Carter" a lot more than "Biden = Carter".

Carter and Obama: inexperienced, messianic, outsiders.

Differences: Obama is even more inexperienced and messianic than Carter and Carter was more of an outsider than Obama.

Posted by: John Martin | August 23, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Democrats - don't sit home. Vote for McCain in November ; HRC in 2012

Registered Democrat for McCain :)

Posted by: AsBee | August 23, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

"We learned not too long ago that Fournier exchanged emails with Karl Rove about Pat Tillman, in which Fournier wrote, "The Lord creates men and women like this all over the world. But only the great and free countries allow them to flourish. Keep up the fight." Fournier was also one of the journalists who, at a gathering of the nation's newspaper editors, extended McCain a box of his favorite donuts ("Oh, yes, with sprinkles!" McCain said)."

The DailyKos thought police are here. Careful everyone.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 23, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Vote for McCain in November ; HRC in 2012

Registered Democrat for McCain :)

Posted by: AsBee | August 23, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

I happen to be a huge hockey fun. A number of years ago, there was an NHL referee named Ron Fournier who was a major league jerk. The AP's Ron Fournier is an even bigger jerk. I guess it goes with the name. Funny how he doesn't disclose that he seriously considered working for the Mccain campaign.

Posted by: howard | August 23, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

I know people (mainly Democrats who are happy with Obama and Biden) will start to name all these “other” people for McCain’s VP that they believe would be good-or should I say Bad, Actually naming other VP’s that would be Bad For McCain on purpose b/c They Know Romney Is THEE VP…but more importantly Know These Other People Will Not Be Good for McCain…So all these Democrats who Are Very Pleased with Obama And Biden Will Not Go On The Record And Admit That Romney would Be The BestChoice Are Afraid McCain Will Pick Romney Because They Know With Romney Being Great With the Economy and Very Combative (in a Good Way) Who can Clean Up Biden and put him to Shame With His Real Knowledge On the Economy, Can put Obama and Biden (the runaway diarrhea of the mouth Biden) to Shame! I like and wish for Obama to win…but now that he picked run-away-train at the mouth Will Surely Loose the General Election, Especially If McCain puts Romney As His VP.

Posted by: Gto | August 23, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

If a fetus is "not a human being", what kind of being is it?

That was an idiot statement. Of course, fetuses are "human beings". The issue is whether they are entitled the right to life - or at least the right not to have it intentionally terminated by abortion.

Posted by: Jack | August 23, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

From your information, it sounds like Mr. Fournier had a huge conflict of interest he should have disclosed to his editors and in the text of his so-called "analysis." Appears he's still job hunting, eh?
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Posted by: AP Shills for McMafia | August 23, 2008 8:30 PM
"The guy who almost took a job with McMafia and praised Rove is quoted here?
Listen, aren't you people feeling any shame at all? McCain got rich on his mobster father-in-law whose partner had a real JOURNALIST killed to prevent him from revealing the corruption and mafia activity of McCain and his mob in the S&L theft. When will you stenographers tell the readers about this murder and how McCain and his mob where involved?

FOURNIER IS AT IT AGAIN.... The latest piece from Ron Fournier, the AP's Washington bureau chief and the man responsible for directing the wire service's coverage of the presidential campaign, on Joe Biden joining the Democratic ticket, is drawing a fair amount of attention this morning. More importantly, McCain campaign staffers are pushing it fairly aggressively to other reporters, in large part because it mirrors the Republican line with minimal variation.

By choosing Biden, Fournier argues, Barack Obama is showing a "lack of confidence," and is siding with "the status quo."

There are two ways to consider Fournier's piece: substantively and in the broader context.

First, on the substance, Fournier's analysis seems a little lazy. By his logic, any potential running mate shows a "lack of confidence" -- picking Hillary would mean Obama lacked confidence in his ability to win over women voters; picking Bayh would mean Obama lacked confidence in his ability to win over independents and conservative Dems; picking Webb would mean Obama lacked confidence in his ability to win over voters concerned about national security; picking Kaine would mean Obama lacked confidence in his ability to win over voters in the South; etc. For that matter, "the status quo" in Washington has been conservative Republican rule. Biden may be an old pro and a DC insider, but he's anything but "the status quo."

Second, in context, Fournier's objectivity covering the presidential race continues to look shaky. We are, after all, talking about a journalist who, as recently as last year, considered working for the McCain campaign.

Before Ron Fournier returned to The Associated Press in March 2007, the veteran political reporter had another professional suitor: John McCain's presidential campaign.

In October 2006, the McCain team approached Fournier about joining the fledgling operation, according to a source with knowledge of the talks. In the months that followed, said a source, Fournier spoke about the job possibility with members of McCain's inner circle, including political aides Mark Salter, John Weaver and Rick Davis.


We learned not too long ago that Fournier exchanged emails with Karl Rove about Pat Tillman, in which Fournier wrote, "The Lord creates men and women like this all over the world. But only the great and free countries allow them to flourish. Keep up the fight." Fournier was also one of the journalists who, at a gathering of the nation's newspaper editors, extended McCain a box of his favorite donuts ("Oh, yes, with sprinkles!" McCain said).

It's led to a series of AP reports that can, at best, be described as "questionable."

In March, for example, Fournier wrote an item -- whether it was a news article or an opinion piece was unclear -- that said Barack Obama is "bordering on arrogance," "a bit too cocky," and that the senator and his wife "ooze a sense of entitlement." To substantiate the criticism, Fournier pointed to ... not a whole lot. It was basically the Republicans' "uppity" talking point in the form of an AP article.

But much of the AP's coverage has deteriorated since. There was a slam-job on Obama that read like an RNC oppo dump, followed by a scathing, 900-word reprimand of Obama's decision to bypass the public financing system in the general election, filled with errors of fact and judgment.

When Obama unveiled his faith-based plan, the AP got the story backwards. When Obama talked about his Iraq policy on July 3, the AP said he'd "opened the door" to reversing course, even though he hadn't.

The AP's David Espo wrote a hagiographic, 1,200-word piece, praising McCain's "singular brand of combative bipartisanship," which was utterly ridiculous.

The AP pushed the objectivity envelope a little further with a mind-numbing, 1,100-word piece on Obama "being shadowed by giant flip-flops."

The AP flubbed the story on McCain joking about killing Iranians, and then flubbed the story about McCain's promise to eliminate the deficit. It's part of a very discouraging trend for the AP that's been ongoing throughout the campaign.

And then, within hours of Obama announcing his running mate, there's Fournier again, writing up another piece -- whether it's a news article or an opinion piece is, again, unclear -- that the McCain campaign just loves.

Sandy Johnson, the former DC bureau chief of the AP, was asked about Fournier and the bureau when she was forced out as part of a staff shake-up. "I just hope he doesn't destroy it," she said.

The more I see the AP's coverage, the more I think about that quote."


Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

McCain's pick to counter should be MIKE HUCKABEE. He is excellent in debates and shows a populist streak that will be helpful in these economic times. Voters will like him.

Posted by: chris | August 23, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Last time I checked the readers of Fournier's "analysis" rated it (in the evaluation provided on the site) at about "2" on a 1-5 scale. I think "2" means partisan shill sewage. It was one-sided illogical junk.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

They just have to figure out how to get a custom made muzzle for him, by ears start hurting when he starts on the long winded comments.

Posted by: tina | August 23, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

What it means? Cue Roy Orbison, "Running Scared". It means that Obama recognizes his weakness, inexperience but pays for it at the expense of his strength, a short track record with few openings for attack.

After outspending McCain in August by a wide margin and seeing his edge in the polls shrink to nothing, Obama looks like a desperate man.

Posted by: Ed | August 23, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Joe Biden = Jimmy Carter


McCain is going to own Barry Obama this fall.

Posted by: Phil29 | August 23, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

The guy who almost took a job with McMafia and praised Rove is quoted here?
Listen, aren't you people feeling any shame at all? McCain got rich on his mobster father-in-law whose partner had a real JOURNALIST killed to prevent him from revealing the corruption and mafia activity of McCain and his mob in the S&L theft. When will you stenographers tell the readers about this murder and how McCain and his mob where involved?

FOURNIER IS AT IT AGAIN.... The latest piece from Ron Fournier, the AP's Washington bureau chief and the man responsible for directing the wire service's coverage of the presidential campaign, on Joe Biden joining the Democratic ticket, is drawing a fair amount of attention this morning. More importantly, McCain campaign staffers are pushing it fairly aggressively to other reporters, in large part because it mirrors the Republican line with minimal variation.

By choosing Biden, Fournier argues, Barack Obama is showing a "lack of confidence," and is siding with "the status quo."

There are two ways to consider Fournier's piece: substantively and in the broader context.

First, on the substance, Fournier's analysis seems a little lazy. By his logic, any potential running mate shows a "lack of confidence" -- picking Hillary would mean Obama lacked confidence in his ability to win over women voters; picking Bayh would mean Obama lacked confidence in his ability to win over independents and conservative Dems; picking Webb would mean Obama lacked confidence in his ability to win over voters concerned about national security; picking Kaine would mean Obama lacked confidence in his ability to win over voters in the South; etc. For that matter, "the status quo" in Washington has been conservative Republican rule. Biden may be an old pro and a DC insider, but he's anything but "the status quo."

Second, in context, Fournier's objectivity covering the presidential race continues to look shaky. We are, after all, talking about a journalist who, as recently as last year, considered working for the McCain campaign.

Before Ron Fournier returned to The Associated Press in March 2007, the veteran political reporter had another professional suitor: John McCain's presidential campaign.

In October 2006, the McCain team approached Fournier about joining the fledgling operation, according to a source with knowledge of the talks. In the months that followed, said a source, Fournier spoke about the job possibility with members of McCain's inner circle, including political aides Mark Salter, John Weaver and Rick Davis.

We learned not too long ago that Fournier exchanged emails with Karl Rove about Pat Tillman, in which Fournier wrote, "The Lord creates men and women like this all over the world. But only the great and free countries allow them to flourish. Keep up the fight." Fournier was also one of the journalists who, at a gathering of the nation's newspaper editors, extended McCain a box of his favorite donuts ("Oh, yes, with sprinkles!" McCain said).

It's led to a series of AP reports that can, at best, be described as "questionable."

In March, for example, Fournier wrote an item -- whether it was a news article or an opinion piece was unclear -- that said Barack Obama is "bordering on arrogance," "a bit too cocky," and that the senator and his wife "ooze a sense of entitlement." To substantiate the criticism, Fournier pointed to ... not a whole lot. It was basically the Republicans' "uppity" talking point in the form of an AP article.

But much of the AP's coverage has deteriorated since. There was a slam-job on Obama that read like an RNC oppo dump, followed by a scathing, 900-word reprimand of Obama's decision to bypass the public financing system in the general election, filled with errors of fact and judgment.

When Obama unveiled his faith-based plan, the AP got the story backwards. When Obama talked about his Iraq policy on July 3, the AP said he'd "opened the door" to reversing course, even though he hadn't.

The AP's David Espo wrote a hagiographic, 1,200-word piece, praising McCain's "singular brand of combative bipartisanship," which was utterly ridiculous.

The AP pushed the objectivity envelope a little further with a mind-numbing, 1,100-word piece on Obama "being shadowed by giant flip-flops."

The AP flubbed the story on McCain joking about killing Iranians, and then flubbed the story about McCain's promise to eliminate the deficit. It's part of a very discouraging trend for the AP that's been ongoing throughout the campaign.

And then, within hours of Obama announcing his running mate, there's Fournier again, writing up another piece -- whether it's a news article or an opinion piece is, again, unclear -- that the McCain campaign just loves.

Sandy Johnson, the former DC bureau chief of the AP, was asked about Fournier and the bureau when she was forced out as part of a staff shake-up. "I just hope he doesn't destroy it," she said.

The more I see the AP's coverage, the more I think about that quote.

Posted by: AP Shills for McMafia | August 23, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

I think Tom Ridge or Kay Bailey Hutchinson would make the best choice for VP candidate by McCain.

Tom Ridge has strong appeal with Blue Collar voters (including more off a blue collar upbringing and down-to-earth personality than Biden), a stronger base of support in Pennsylvania than Biden, and a much broader base of experience than Biden or either of the Presidential candidates (legislative as a Congressman, executive as a Governor and Homeland Security Director, and economic as Governor and in his private life since resigning as Homeland Security Director). He has the gravitas, knowledge and personality to stand toe to toe, at the very least, with Biden in the VP debate. And as a moderate Republican he would also bolster McCain's already strong appeal to independants and moderate Democrats, who Obama is having difficulty securing support from.

The Republican base has been saying they would have a huge problem supporting Ridge, given his pro-choice stance. I'm not a Republican but I think Obama's pick of Biden would make it easier for McCain to get the social conservatives of his party to accept a ticket with Ridge as VP, with reluctance of course. I think that the Obama/Biden ticket would be so energizing to them that McCain would not lose their votes, although they would be and already are unenthusiastic about him.

With Obama's extreme pro-choice positions (coupled with Biden's pro-choice stance), Obama and Biden's rankings as the first and third most liberal members of the U.S. Senate based on their voting histories, and that Biden was the primary person responsible for bringing the "Borking Phenomenon" into the Supreme Court confirmation process (and has remained the "Borker-in-Chief"), I think that the pro-lifers would still vote for McCain -- especially if he and Ridge handled the situation well, which would include emphasizing that Ridge's pro-choice stance is quite attenuated (he is neither solidly pro-choice or pro-life), that he is solidly against gay marriages, supports the death penalty, has been a big advocate and promoter of school choice, and brings a lot of political benefits to the ticket (as mentioned above) in running against the Obama/Biden ticket.

Kay Bailey Hutchinson would also appeal to women and independants, in her case primarily due to her gender and personality. She also would be an easy sell to the social conservatives, unlike Ridge. Furthermore, she has the gravitas to compare with Biden, and his attack dog style would likely backfire against him in a debate with her, given her likable personality, charm and gender. She would also help in the Western swing states of Colorado, Nevada and N.M.

She does not have Ridge's executive or business experience as far as I know, would not be as appealing to the blue collar voters of the Northeast and midwest as Ridge, and would not be as effective as an attack dog against the Obama/Biden ticket, a role that Biden is taking for Obama and that McCain is not that comfortable in taking himself.

Huckabee, with his down-to-earth character, skill at framing the issues, executive experience, appeal to independants and moderate Dems, and communication skills would've been a good choice, but apparently he is out of the picture. Perhaps his style was not considered aggressive enough for a VP candidate, was not considered to bring a state or regional benefit coming from Arkansas, was considered too moderate by fiscal conservatives and was thought to have insufficient foreign policy creds given McCain's strong emphasis on its importance.

Romney and Pawlenty would be very poor choices, IMO. Pawlenty would not have the experience and gravitas to compare with Biden, his counterpart on the Democratic ticket; he would undercut McCain's big emphasis on the importance of experience and foreign policy credentials; and would not be effective in the VP attack dog role generally assigned to them. Romney would supposedly be strong because of his economic credentials, but given his extreme wealth and nerdy character would not appeal well to economically stressed blue collar voters. Furthermore, social conservatives are suspect of him given his changes on important social issues to them while considering a future run for the presidency (after emphasizing his pro-choice and gay rights stances while running for Governor of Massachusetts). About the only benefit I see Romney bringing to a McCain ticket would be in the swing state of Nevada which has a large Mormom population.

Posted by: John Martin | August 23, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Joe Biden? ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


Joe Biden = "The Vice-Plagerizer"

Posted by: Steve77 | August 23, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Biden is an excellent choice.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Obama is big time loser just like the Democtras

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

We all know that Roman Catholics put the teachings of their ancient sect on a par with the even more ancient Bible, as well they should, but Mom is nuts if she thinks that aborting a fetus is infanticide. Infants are human beings. Fetuses are not. The Bible says we are not human until we take our first breath. Check it out, Mom. It's in Genesis.

Posted by: Alex Mac Donald | August 23, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

I am for Obama and I would like to believe in this Biden guy… but w/so many people confused about Obama already and people thinking, “oh well at least he has experience” well maybe some experience but is it the “right experience?” If so why has Biden been running and running for President so many times and never won or even became a real candidate? And then that brings people back to, “why did Barack Not Pick Hillary?” Not only does both Hillary And Bill Clinton been Very Successful Democrats, but Obama’s main excuse for Not picking Hillary (which comes with Bill Clinton and No that Is Not Baggage But A Good Thing) Then why did he Not Pick Hillary (who comes with the Best Democrat President Ever). Obama kept using the excuse, “oh well with Hillary and Bill being in the White House so long and with them being involved with Washington so long, I Obama want all New Change and Not someone who has been involved with Washington for so Long.” Is what Obama always said about both Bill and Hillary….so if that is true why did he pick Biden???? Biden has been around a long time & involved with Washington so long….so Obama can not give that old tired excuse that I wanted something new and Fresh. And w/Biden never even becoming someone really significant Like Hillary and Yes Bill Clinton…It comes back to that infamous question…Why Not Hillary who yes comes With Bill Clinton??? And No Bill Clinton is Not Baggage! Keep in mind I have always been a Democrat…And even though Obama may have not much experience at all and then he picks this run-a-way-train at the mouth who rambles and starts to bore the crowd…and on the other hand says Really Stupid Racial things About Blacks and American Indians…why did he pick Him??? Oh well like I said I’ve always been a democrat and I do like and am for Obama…but now that he picked Biden….I am now more confused then Ever On Who To Vote For This Coming General Election. I hope Obama and Biden get it right….but I am afraid it is too Late….he should have picked Hillary and Trust Me It Would Have Most Definitely been a Sure Win!

Posted by: James | August 23, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Good pick.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Excellent pick by Obama. Hillary Clinton supporters please wake up will you? Immediately after the Biden pick made the McCain people have immediately jumped on Biden's comments against Obama during the primaries. Biden's statements have now become their platform because they would not have one otherwise. They believe this will galvanize support for McCain. Imagine if Obama had been ridiculously stupid enough to put HILLARY CLINTON on the ticket! He would be spending the next 2 1/2 months defending how Hillary perpetually "misspoke" against him during the primaries as the Republicans used HRC and her baggage (and massive debt) to sink OBAMA'S (not Clinton's) campaign.

Posted by: Cap | August 23, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to sing this to McCain. "Turn out the lights.... the party's over!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Borderline | August 23, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Biden a good pick? ROFL, just wait and see.

Posted by: MIke | August 23, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

How can Biden be Catholic and in favor of infanticide? Can he receive Communion?
______________________________________

Biden goes to confession 3 times a day. He has a full time priest on staff.

Posted by: Mike | August 23, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

What comes to your mind when you say Biden?
That's right; plagiarism, a man hopping on one foot because the other ones always in his mouth and lastly...chicklets, that's right chicklets that's when your teeth don't fit your face.
Barack Obama = BO
Biden Obama =BO
Anyway you look at it, it stinks.
NO OBAMA

Posted by: MIke | August 23, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

How can Biden be Catholic and in favor of infanticide? Can he receive Communion?

Posted by: Mom | August 23, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

great pick. for McCain!
was afraid he'd pick HRC.
That would have been a very, very tough race with her on their ticket.

Posted by: Jerry in Dupage County | August 23, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

OMG, what a mess ... !!! ... I am so confused ... !!! ...

If indeed Senator Biden has such an outstanding background to replace Obama as our President, why in this God Green earth didn't we vote for him during the Democratic primaries, and he would have chosen Obama - a neophite US Senator - as his VP? After all, as I recall, didn't Senator Biden once say that Obama was, "... not fit to be a president." ... ???

For ratings sake, our news media loves to portray Senator Obama as the modern JFK, and ergo, the inmense news coverage of his recent visit to Germany. Yet, Senator Obama "... ich bin NICHT ein Berliner ..."

Unfortunately, Senator Obama is no modern Jack Kennedy. Let's take a trip through Memory Lane:

JFK
- 4 years military service (1941 - 1945) and a decorated WWII veteran
- 7 years US Congress (1947 - 1953)
- 7 years US Senate (1953-1960)

OBAMA
- 0 years military service
- 0 years US Congress
- 2 years US Senate

I do confess that Senator Obama - like our venerated JFK - is indeed a young, handsome, educated, and well-spoken idealistic politician with great personal hopes and expectations. He indeed could had actually become - at best - a VP candidate worth considering and, with this VP experience under his belt, a major contender for the US Presidency later on. Unfortunately, right now, he has no experience in dealing with the three major High Interest Groups that actually control Capitol Hill (i.e., US pharmaceuticals, US oil companies, and US defense contractors) ... unless, of course, he becomes a mere puppet of the Democratic Party inner circle, now that Senator Biden on his side - the modern LBJ ???

Food for thought ... God bless the USA and may He have mercy on our souls should we make a mistake this November 2008.


Posted by: Louie | August 23, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

People (aka Sean Hannity) pushing Mitt Romney as John McCain's VP candidate should be aware that his economic bona-fides are as an asset stripping private equity guru, and not as a Bill Gates style entrepreneur. He fired people in order to make himself more money, which will clearly go down well with Rust Belt voters.

Posted by: Ant | August 23, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

>>"United States of America" wrote: "The comment that Obama is in "defensive scramble mode" and "no longer able to drive the agenda" is incorrect and a self serving interpretation. I think if you look at this objectively you will see the real situation. Obama is letting McCain self destruct. I mean he has a clear and consistent reputation for crashing and burning. ...McCain, as the heat comes on, as he must perform freestyle in the debates, will show more of his true colours. He will show his age, he will show his true morals."

Look DailyKos cult member (are you wearing your polygamist cult prairie dress as you type?), there is no way, I can respond to the long, meandering, rambling litany of anti-McCain stuff you posted.

I'm glad you are so into Obama and that you feel good about his lead. You have an exciting week ahead watching the convention and I hope you enjoy it.

All I want to say in response to your post is that when you say Obama's strategy is to let McCain self-destruct and McCain will hurt himself in debates, that doesn't sound like what was happening when Obama was screaming (via his media and Internet surrogates) about McCain cheating at Saddleback.

I mean, the Saddleback Q were about the candidates' selves, their beliefs and their defining life experiences. How could Obama blow that? And having done so, how could he come back with some "cheating" story?

That's really pathetic and totally inconsistent with the notion that Obama's letting McCain self-destruct and that McCain will do himself in during debates.

It's Obama whose debate score is 0 in 23.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 23, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Lesley, Hillary said today she fully supports the Obama/Biden ticket. So if you are a "Hillary supporter," why is it you aren't taking her advice? Maybe because your post is from Troll City. Anybody have any troll spray?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

OK, so Joe Biden is a good pick.

Is he running for president?
Even Obama seems to think so!

Why not!

The Biden pick for his experience just highlights Obama's lack of it.

Do we want an inexperienced decision-maker at the helm! Let's remember who makes the ultimate call...Obama, not Joe Biden.

I am a strong Hillary supporter who will vote for McCain. There's no doubt about his decision-making capacity based on experience.

NObama, NOhow, NOway

Posted by: Lesley | August 23, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

ALERT/ALERT/ALERT/ALERT/ALERT

From Hillary Rodham Clinton:

"In naming my colleague and friend Senator Joe Biden to be the Vice Presidential nominee, Senator Obama has continued in the best traditions for the Vice Presidency by selecting an exceptionally strong, experienced leader and devoted public servant. Senator Biden will be a purposeful and dynamic Vice President who will help Senator Obama both win the Presidency and govern this great country."

Posted by: The press | August 23, 2008 5:18 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

"'I'm a centrist Democrat who will not be voting for Obama.'

I think you're a liar."

synkyl - It's the truth. You shouldn't find that so difficult to believe (unless you're one of the Obama kool-aid drinkers who cannot fathom why others don't adhore him like they do). There are lots of centrist Democrats, like me, that will not be voting for Obama and many more who will not be able to do so without a great deal of reluctance and reservations.

BTW, I never said that I would be voting McCain. That's another of your faulty assumptions. I have not made the decision yet whether to vote for McCain, Barr or to abstain from the Presidential vote this time. I will not vote for Obama though because of his inexperience, character (he's a liar, phoney and snob), far left policies and radical associations.

The Presidency is, to use an Obama phrase, "above his pay grade" (he has neither the sufficient experience in national and international matters or character qualifications to be trusted with the tremendous responsibilities of serving as President of the United States of America). It would be a big mistake to elect such an inexperienced candidate, even when he tries to mollify those concerns by picking an experienced VP candidate. That was done in 2000 and worked out very badly. I sure hope the electorate is not foolish enough to do it again.

Posted by: John Martin | August 23, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

I am Democrat, but i just found something that Rush Limbaugh says and I agree with him.
Rush Limbaugh says;
"I AM HERE TO TELL YOU, IF EITHER OF THESE TWO GUYS (Mike Huckabee and John McCain) GET THE NOMINATION,IT'S GOING TO DESTROY REPUBLICAN PARTY, IT'S GOING TO CHANGE IT FOREVER, BE THE END OF IT. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO VOTE, YOU WATCH."

He said this in his show in January of 2008. Weeeeelll, I think he is totaly right, but Obama and Biden will destroy them for sure.

Posted by: Bobster | August 23, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Fix. it means Obama is stuck. Forced to choose someone just as willing to go down while discriminating against Americans who happen to be Hispanics. There is a record that Biden has been on notice of Obams's race discrimination against Hispanics such as myself in Illinois for some time. I know. I'm placed him on it.

Posted by: Chaos45I | August 23, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Obama is so lacking in credentials to be President that he had to select someone with the qualifications to teach him the ropes. Unfortunately, Joe Biden has already failed in two attempts at executive office. With the turmoil in Iraq, Iran, Russia, Georgia, China, etc. we cannot have a "wet behind the ears" junior Senator ss Chief Executive.

Posted by: pragmatist | August 23, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

1.African American students ruining DC Schools
2. Indian 7 Eleven cashiers
3. Obama's hygeine "storybook stuff"
4. Almost thrown out of law school for plagiarism
5. Falsely claiming to be top of his class
6. Believes Obama lacks judgement to be president
7. Would be honored to serve with or against McCain

I guess Biden has to get his 7 houses in order soon as well....GREAST CHOICE

Posted by: Scott | August 23, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

I like the pick.

I'm glad Senator Obama had the confidence to forget the "no brainer" threats of the Clintonistas who failed their own candidate when it mattered most.

Now to Joe Biden.

The positives: He knows that American foreign policy has been under the spell of the neo-con fantasy of an American war for empire in the middle east.

He is chairman of the Foreign Relations committee so he knows the players in both parties on the Hill.

He's a veteran in the Senate, who as VP would also serve as the President of the Senate. Those powers could help Dems move an agenda in a narrowly divided house.

Negatives: Mostly his unwillingness to stick to the script. While this is called being a "Maverick" by Republicans, it can cause difficult moments for progressive Democrats.

The plagerism follies might bother 80 year old retired school teachers but it won't phase 30-somethings who have trouble understanding intellectual property as a concept.

Obama wrote off a large number of Hispanic voters who won't like Biden very much. Obama clearly doesn't understand much about the Democrats of the Southwest.

Overall: He's made a pick to support his weaknesses in experience and with blue collar Dems in PA, OH and maybe MICH.

It won't help him much in California.

We'll see how it plays out.

Posted by: John Quimby | August 23, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Biden is a great pick - you forgot he is that scrappy kid from Scranton! (Take note Clinton supporters!)

What may be more important however is the quandary this puts McCain in. In the veepstakes Obama may have checkmated McCain.

Who does McCain pick to counter Biden?

Biden lives off his senate wage and his wife works as a teacher: the guy is the 99th wealthiest Senator (out of 100). If McCain picks the obvious choice, Romney, then just imagine the 'Housing Gap'. Two multi millionaires on the ticket. 'Out of Touch' calls from Democrats will echo and echo and echo.

Can Romney debate Biden on foreign policy, or any policy for that matter? Who can? Probably not Pawlenty.

If McCain actually decides to go for Ridge or, god forbid, Lieberman, the social conservatives will go nutty! They want a pro-life VP, Period.

So who else does McCain go for? If he goes for a military type then he loses the ability to make up for his own perceived weaknesses: he is clueless on the economy, and not conservative enough socially for the party faithful.

This makes McCain's choice very difficult.

Posted by: Chris | August 23, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Is it true that behind cool hand McCain is another cold hearted bad temper McCain. Is it true that he has temper problems and he gets mad and he doesn't listen anybody.

Posted by: BOBSTER | August 23, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Joe Biden reminds me of the great Professor Erwin Corey.

Posted by: Morgo | August 23, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand women who say they will not vote for Barack Obama because he won the nomination over Hillary Clinton and who say he has ruined women's chances to win the presidency in the future. I think the way Hillary ran her campaign doomed her chances and Barack was a very effective candidate. I think she and Barack have opened up the future for both women and minority candidates. People like Harold Ford Jr., Kathleen Sibelius, Janet Napolitano and many others will be taken seriously as candidates for President in the future.
In addition, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama agree on almost every issue, with only minor differences between them - they disagreed on whether to go to war in Iraq, but are close in their views now. With John McCain and his views about the war, a woman's right to choose and many other issues, I don't see how Hillary supporters could either support John McCain or stay home in an election as important as this one. Listen to Barack Obama and what he says - he is thoughtful, intelligent, willing to listen carefully to other's views to find common ground so something can be done. There is only one good choice for the next President of the United States in 2008 and that choice is Barack Obama.

Posted by: Susan Fix | August 23, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

The Post in its editorial just printed this whopper of a remark by Biden, when he talked to the Post editors this past year:

"Mr. Biden seemed to suggest that one reason so many of the District's schools fail is the city's large minority population and contrasted D.C. schools with those in Iowa. "There's less than 1 percent of the population in Iowa that is African American," Mr. Biden said. "There is probably less than 4 or 5 percent that are minorities. What is in Washington? So look, it goes back to what you start off with, what you're dealing with." The Biden campaign quickly issued a statement asserting that the candidate was referring to socioeconomic status, not racial differences. The lesson we took was not that Mr. Biden is a racist, but to worry about his tendency to speak too much before he thinks enough."
GREAT CHOICE-!

Posted by: SCOTT | August 23, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

McCain likes to hide behind his POW stories.

His POW fairy tales are getting old, real fast!

And how do we know they are all true?

Posted by: bobnsri | August 23, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

In a sense, by picking Joseph Biden to be his VP choice, Obama ended up selecting the Democratic Party's version of John McCain. Both are long-time Senators who have accommodated themselves to compromising with the "other side" when they deemed it to be necessary, and neither is so ideologically-rigid that they have not bucked their own parties at times. Whether or not this is an admirable quality depends on one's personal perspective on these matters. But, then there is that pesky matter of "change". Or, perhaps, that idea has been replaced by a more pragmatic to winning the election. What we call "politics as usual".

Posted by: John | August 23, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

The plagiarism issue wasn't just about lifting speeches--it was about Biden lying about his and his families' "coal miner" background in PA. Be thorough Chris!

Posted by: James | August 23, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Finally, a true democratic ticket, one that cannot be cheated out of the it's rightful leadership of our great country. we can dig ourselves out of the hellhole that 43 and 43.5 has brought us to and restore confidence in our country and our democracy. Mad Mac is in serious trouble, let's hope he goes for Mittens, and then let them try to come up with an economic plan that doesn't get them laughed off the stage. GREAT pick, go get 'em, dems!

Posted by: PreAmerikkkan | August 23, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

jocko_the_monkey !!!!

MAN, YOU MIGHT BE RIGHT! I HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. THOSE DIRTY BASTARDS!!! HIDING UNDER SKIRT, HOW SMART!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Chris:

I respectfully disagree with many of your points.

I cannot consider anything written by Ron Fournier as salient after he was offered a job by John McCain. Mr. Fournier's bias and slant throughout this election has been evident and he besmirches AP by pretending to write as a reporter versus an op ed guy.

The plagarism charge is overblown and well known to be that Senator Biden forgot ONCE to give credit to the Brit, not like 'ducking sniper fire' and even after that, Senator Clinton won a few more primaries.

Re: The Iraq War vote....Didn't Senator Biden have a resolution on the floor that advocated getting International consensus before going to war which was voted down...

Senator Biden is representative of the Average American and a passionate Senator who is very down to earth. He compliments Obama with his own strengths.

And, because Senator Biden has had many years working with John McCain, he is the ideal person to point out Senator McCain's deficiencies.

Posted by: Dari | August 23, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Gee...can we stop responding
to the angry Hillary supporters?
Isn't it obvious that they're
not women at all, but Karl Rove
wannabes posting from a Young Republican Club at some third-rate
college somewhere? That they're
actually wearing dresses makes no difference.

Posted by: jocko_the_monkey | August 23, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

The latest poll shows; only 9% of Hillary suporters would (not will), would vote for McCain, and that is also 50% less than 2 months ago. Also poll shows that 700 women ot of 1000 will vote for Obama vs McCain. One poll shows that 95% of Americans know how many houses McCain has, and he is the who is not sure about quantity of the houses he owns. Regardles what, he ain't gonna own White House, thats for sure.

Posted by: BOBSTER | August 23, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

If McCain brings up plagiarism, Obama/Biden bring up Keating 5 and McCain can't argue anymore that that was too long ago to matter. It's that simple.

Posted by: Lucas Westmaas | August 23, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

To Lee Parker:
I think it would be interesting to have a discussion of the role of government. When you say you are for small government, what programs do you want the government involved in? National defense; education; roads; infrastructure; energy; regulation of food,drugs,securities,banking;social security; Medicare? What would you eliminate? Would you add anything? I consider myself a fiscal conservative and social liberal in that I believe in a balanced budget if at all possible and think the government should stay out of people's lives wherever possible. However, I think there are things that government must do because it is in the national interest - to have a solid defense, to have an educated public,to have a solid infrastructure; to move toward energy independence; to make sure that there is equal opportunity for all, that rights are protected, etc. etc. I also think the recent financial and mortgage crisis has shown that deregulation does not always work and is not necessarily the answer.
What do you think?

Posted by: Susan Fix | August 23, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous says: A "supposed Catholic" politician that supports abortion, makes me sick as a Catholic.

I suppose the pedophile priests haven't sickened you enough, however, to prevent you from throwing your money into the plate on Sundays has it?

Posted by: catpurrson | August 23, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Bye Hillary. It was nice when we thought you are leaving, will yu please get the hell out of way. Shoo, Shoo, go away, you are done.

Posted by: HillarySuporters | August 23, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

obama has turned out to be mcains greatest
supporter giving him 18 million votes more
then he would of needed to beat him

Posted by: joe smart | August 23, 2008 5:57 PM

And you know this how? Personal friends with ALL 18 million voters ? Some people aren't as shallow as you, so I'd wait to count those votes against Obama.

Posted by: jime | August 23, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Women need not Apply wrote: The only way we can now have a woman president anytime soon is if Obama loses or McCain picks a woman. In anycase I am no longer a Democrat. They have taken us for granted because they feel we have no choice but to stick with the pro-choice party.
____________________

"They" who? The voters? A significant number of the voters for Obama were women, and I was one of them. If the "us" you speak of are women, no one took women for granted. All the democratic campaigns considered women and women's issues.
Grow up, and quitting whining, YOU set things back for women.

Posted by: Sunshine | August 23, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

POOR HILLARY CRY BABIES. WHY DOON'T YOU STOP CRYING AND REALIZE, IF SHE HAD 18 MILION SUPORTERS SHE WOULD BE PRESIDENTIAL PICK, BUT SHE COULD NOT GATHER EVEN ONE MILION SUPORTERS, AND THAT WAS ONLY THOSE WHO WERE STIL UNDER PREMENSTRUAL SYMPTOMS. GO AHEAD, YOU CAN ALL VOTE FOR McCain AND HE I AM SURE WILL LOVE YOU, BUT HE CAN'T STILL WIN. OBAMA WILL BECOME YOURS AND HIS PRESIDENT IN A HEARTBEAT!!!! STILL CRYING, OH WELL, NOBODY LIKES STUPID BACKSTABING B.I.T.C.H., NOT EVEN HER HUSBAND.

Posted by: BOBSTER | August 23, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

How many people died or lost their life savings due to Joe's plagiarism ? NONE !

After the last few months it's Obama that has shown Presidential qualities, not McCain. So when is saw the new ad showing Biden stating that Obama doesn't have the qualities to be Pres but McCain does, alot changed in those few months. Like McSame selling-out to the Rovians and lobbyists. It's NOT the same McCain that Biden knew. You people writing garbage on here don't have a clue about anything except what you want to hear from Faux News and Limpbaugh. These people are playing you for the saps you are. Such a shame.

Posted by: jime | August 23, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

obama has turned out to be mcains greatest
supporter giving him 18 million votes more
then he would of needed to beat him

Posted by: joe smart | August 23, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

" In choosing Biden, Obama showed -- again -- that he is not solely an ideologue, taking advice from only those who agree with him."

Obama isn't an ideologue ... you need spine for that. Now his far-left-wing liberal backers ... they're the ideologues. Obama is the perfect flexible sock puppet for that crowd to manipulate.

Obama, THE [N]ONE “Who GOD has blessed us with”; Pelosi 8/17/08
If you want a President who is whiner, narcissistic, specious, vacuous, effete, and supported by an army of Kool-aid drinking tinfoil hat wearing moonbats.

Posted by: occam2 | August 23, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

I have to chime in on an odd attack against Biden; his idea to allow autonomous regions to govern themselves in Iraq. I am not going to speculate on the theory, I would like to discuss the historic reality.

The former Yugoslavia was a construct after WWI just like Iraq and was held together by a powerful dictator Tito, just like Sadam in Iraq.

Now history and experience show us the break up of Yugoslavia was a long term positive in the region. Without a strong leader like Tito the WWI construct was doomed.

I am not saying Iraq is doomed, but it sure could be less of a threat and could bring more peace in a troubled region if the Kurds, Shiites and Suunis had their own countries. So tell me again how Biden's suggestion of this as an option is a bad thing when history shows the idea to have value?

Now as for my two cents about the pick. Having two 63 y/o + in-laws sending me the most outrageous stuff, I see a scary perspective coming from a very strong voting block; old people. I loved Jon Steward's comment about these being the only emails his grandparents ever figured out how to forward. I am not sure if McCain knows how to operate Outlook or Word or a browser for that matter. He admitted as much, but I digress.

We need Biden and his white hair to give old people someone to vote for. This also seals the deal for Hilary in 2016 because Biden will be too damn old then. Maybe Hilary will run for NY Governor and pad the resume; they need a good governor.

Today I read about how Obama stole the election with busloads of black people who were given iPods to vote for Obama in gthe caucuses. I am not making this up, some nutcake named Larry Johnson is coming up with some whoppers. Now we knew the republicans would do this, but the email was forwarded by a young-ish democrat who worked on Kerry's campaign 4 years ago. He was a Hilary supporter and they seem hell bent on torpedoing Obama's campaign, now more than ever since Hilary has to wait another eight years. Do former Hilary supporters really want McSame when the Supreme Court, Habias Corpus, privacy, unending war, checks on the executive and defense contractors all hang in the balance. This guy is a college educated democrat spewing forth Rovian garbage like a Rush Limbaugh fan.

I am really scarred that the democrats are going to start eating their young and allow more republican fascist to steal more of our county's wealth and reputation. Please people, for the sake of all our country once stood for, vote Obama Biden 08!!!

Posted by: Vet 4 Obama | August 23, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me, or does anyone else that think that anything Joe Biden has to say to falls into the category of who cares? The man only got 3% of the vote in the Democrat primary IN HIS HOME STATE. Not exactly a ringing endorsement from those who know him best, his constituents.

Does anyone wonder why so many large corporations incorporate in Delaware? It's because it is the most favorable Corporate TAX HAVEN in the US.


Obama, THE [N]ONE “Who GOD has blessed us with”; Pelosi 8/17/08
If you want a President who is whiner, narcissistic, specious, vacuous, effete, and supported by an army of Kool-aid drinking tinfoil hat wearing moonbats.

Posted by: occam2 | August 23, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

This is a great pick. Let's see how McCain's potential choices measure up:

-- Romney: McCain hates him. No substance, ultimate flip-flopper. He has no true positions on anything.
-- Pawlenty: Six years as guv, yeah, that gives him foreign policy experience. In both his elections he couldn't even get 50% of the vote either time. Now that's popularity. And, he pushed through a TAX INCREASE to build the new Twins stadium.
-- Jindal: Seriously... get back to him in eight years. He's been in gov't for about 20 minutes.
-- Lieberman: Please pick him, that'll wrap it up for Obama.
-- Ridge: Makes most sense, but the radical right won't have it. Pick him, and 10-15% of Republican voters stay home.

For Biden, this will be like shooting fish in a barrel.

Posted by: Sam I Am | August 23, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Cheryl, some free knowledge: (1) You are cherrypicking polls. RealClearPolitics' information indicates the polls have been pretty static for awhile. Barry is fine everywhere pretty much. (2) More importantly, preconvention polls are meaningless -- Dukakis was up 16 at this point. As well, I think Bush 1 may have been up double digits against Clinton pre convention. So cool your jets; there's a long way to go. Cap

clearandsimple-according to Chicago-Sun Times, polls are DOWN for Obama.

Florida-dead heat.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/1117409,elexpoll082008.article

http://blogs.suntimes.com/mitchell/2008/08/obama_mccain_and_race.html


With just over 10 weeks to go to election day, why isn't Obama pulling down landslide poll numbers?

Posted by: Cheryl | August 23, 2008 5:35 PM

Posted by: Captain America | August 23, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

If McCain picks Romney...jeez, I wonder how many houses those two guys have between them?

Posted by: Patrick | August 23, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

I do Not understand SWB. I am for Obama- Biden. Why are you assuming I am a Republican? This doesn’t sound very Unified…especially when we are suppose to all be on the same team.

Posted by: Alan | August 23, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

"Do NOT forget that Joe Biden wanted to Balkanize Iraq. That alone should be enough reason to not vote for him. And don't kid yourself, Biden will be the president. He has already stated repeatedly that he is more qualified to be president than Obama. This is a joke of a ticket. Posted by: Joesacramento.com"

Actually, he wanted to partition Iraq, not Balkanize it. Balkanization is a process of breaking a country up by geting each identifiable "national" group to demand that its own rights and claims were superior to everybody elses.

Biden simply noted that three powers, the non-Shia-non-Sunni north, the Sunni west, and the Shia south showed every sign of wanting a three way repeat of the Gingham Dog and the Calico Cat. Separating the groups by territory held to prevent territory desired from becoming the causus belli, is reasonable.

Now that we have been handed our hat and asked to leave, will such a solution be the only thing that prevents a repeat of Nineveh/Babylon/Persia?.

Posted by: ceflynline@msn.com | August 23, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Hey Alan - Only two Republicans alive know what its like to be President too....what is your idiotic point? Oh, let me speak for you...you are a GOP troll.

Posted by: SWB | August 23, 2008 4:51 PM
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Yes, and one of those Republicans is widely considered the worst president ever, who probably would have been better off consulting the other. My point is that smart people consult those with relevant experience--but since you don't appear very smart based on your comment, don't worry your little brain about it too much.

Posted by: Alan | August 23, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Clearandsimple, great post. In my everyday travels, it is amazing the depth of Obama's support. I've spoken to diehard extremist Republicans who are quietly supporting Barack. They all say the same thing: we need change -- for the country and for the planet. The problems are too great for the usual partisan nonsense. The real conversations you hear on the street are nothing like the bloviator junk on the cable shows who have a vested interest in painting everything as neck-and-neck. Your 60/40 for Barry and Joe may well be on the mark.
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Posted by: clearandsimple | August 23, 2008 5:23 PM
"The text was delivered at 3:00 a.m. Who's the boss now, boys and girls.

Grown-ups are now in charge. Obama/Biden 2008.

I foresee 60/40 for Obama in November. It's only a question of how big the mandate. No one wants a 3rd Bush term."


Posted by: The voters | August 23, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

clearandsimple-according to Chicago-Sun Times, polls are DOWN for Obama.

Florida-dead heat.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/1117409,elexpoll082008.article

http://blogs.suntimes.com/mitchell/2008/08/obama_mccain_and_race.html


With just over 10 weeks to go to election day, why isn't Obama pulling down landslide poll numbers?

Posted by: Cheryl | August 23, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

excuse me: . .

Well Biden isn't Al Gore, but he's a good choice.

Now, if Obama will take the advise of one of his featured speakers on nomination night? . . Obama will declare that though he'll let some offshore drilling take place if Big Oil wants to invest . . . he will ask, "What's the need?! . . When we will be 100% electricity! . . produced by renewables in ten years. . . . . . And, and electric cars will be having a hay-day. Obama will no longer hym-and-haw about energy. . . . . . . . . HE WILL POINT THE WAY!"

http://www.wecansolveit.org/

Posted by: Coldcomfort | August 23, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

macktan--whose comments do you consider "authentic" and those that are "partisian troublemakers"? Those that only agree with YOUR views?

Last I checked we all still have freedom of speech to voice our own opinions whether others agree or not.

Posted by: Cheryl | August 23, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Biden is an acceptable pick... he could have done plenty worse.

As far as that 7-11 quote, blown way, way way out of proportion. He was talking TO an Indian-American, ON camera for C-Span. He wasn't 'caught ' off camera with a racist slur. Here is the exact quote:

"As you know I've had a lot of support from the Indian community. I've had a great relationship. In Delaware, the largest growth in population is from Indian-Americans, moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-11, or a Dunkin Donuts, unless you have a slight Indian accent. I am not joking!"

Not exactly David Duke here, folks.


Posted by: gregory | August 23, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Well Biden isn't Al Gore, but he's a good choice.

Now, if Obama will take the advise of one of his featured speakers on nomination night? . . Obama will declare that though he'll let some offshore drilling take place if Big Oil wants to invest . . . he will ask, "What's the need?! . . When we will be 100% electricity! . . produced by renewables in ten years. . . . . . And, and electric cars will be having a hay-day."

wecansolveit.org

Posted by: Coldcomfort | August 23, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Only a few of the comments posted here are authentic. Many are by partisan hacks who want to stir up trouble and foment discord.

Feedback has become a joke now that it's in the hands of hackers and poseurs.

Posted by: macktan | August 23, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

The text was delivered at 3:00 a.m. Who's the boss now, boys and girls.

Grown-ups are now in charge. Obama/Biden 2008.

I foresee 60/40 for Obama in November. It's only a question of how big the mandate. No one wants a 3rd Bush term.

Posted by: clearandsimple | August 23, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

ALERT/ALERT/ALERT/ALERT/ALERT

From Hillary Rodham Clinton:

"In naming my colleague and friend Senator Joe Biden to be the Vice Presidential nominee, Senator Obama has continued in the best traditions for the Vice Presidency by selecting an exceptionally strong, experienced leader and devoted public servant. Senator Biden will be a purposeful and dynamic Vice President who will help Senator Obama both win the Presidency and govern this great country."

Posted by: The press | August 23, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse


The only way we can now have a woman president anytime soon is if Obama loses or McCain picks a woman. In anycase I am no longer a Democrat. They have taken us for granted because they feel we have no choice but to stick with the pro-choice party.

Posted by: Women need not apply | August 23, 2008 5:11 PM


Your candidate f'ing lost. Jesus. Most people learn to deal with things like that by the time they're 5...

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

To all the abortion voters. You had a person in the office for 8 years and the number of abortions have not changed. Do you think another 4 years of the same will change things, even if the Supreme Court is modified?

I think not!

So go out and vote for someone who stands for values and morals.
While you are thinking of your values and morals, think about how you lost most of your rights in the Constitution and Bill of Rights under this administration. Think about Cindy McCain saying she was brought up as a lone child. News for Cindy, her father was a bigamist and Cindy has a half sister who she will not help or acknowledge. Think about how Sen. McCain talks about the draft. Think about Sen. McCain and his lobbing friends want to continue buying oil abroad rather then set a goal to have self sustainable energy here at home.

Posted by: jerry rubin | August 23, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Whose job improved today? The reporters covering the Democrat candidate for Vice President.

Imagine McCain nominates Tom Ridge or Tim Pawlenty as his VP. If you're a reporter assigned to cover one of them you'll die of boredom. You'll spend all your time playing cards on the campaign bus.
You'll want to shoot yourself in the head just to get some stimulation. Any report you file will wind up on page A-23 or never make it to air. Your own mother won't bother reading your stuff.

But covering Joe Biden, the human gaffe machine...What anticipation! What excitement!
He has the constant potential to overturn the applecart of the Obama campaign.
You never know when he'll stick his foot in it. "Did he just say that?" "Oh, I can't believe he said that."
"What a blooper!"
"Hello, newsroom --- stop the presses. I've got a breaking story."

This guy is a ticking rhetorical time bomb. As a reporter, your shot at the front page or a live shot happens when the Biden bomb goes off. There should be loads of fun in store. I can't wait!

Posted by: John Conneely | August 23, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

I have been voting Democrat longer than many of Obamas supporters have been breathing--but I won't be voting for Obama OR McCain this year. Obama simply is not qualified and he has flip-flopped on almost every issue he has campaigned on.
"Change" is not cow-towing and changing your stance in the issues to every group you are trying to woo.
For the life of me-I haven't seen a single issue that Obama has not changed his stance on, including the latest of nominating an old-school, long time Washington insider who actually voted FOR the war and has voted in favor of every Iraq war bill.
Do you Obama supporters read at all or just refuse to take off the rose-colored glasses?

These two are the biggest duds to campaign for POTUS in years!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

The only way we can now have a woman president anytime soon is if Obama loses or McCain picks a woman. In anycase I am no longer a Democrat. They have taken us for granted because they feel we have no choice but to stick with the pro-choice party.

Posted by: Women need not apply | August 23, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Russell, your post (below) merits repeating -- we commend the meticulously sourced Atlantic article to those who want the facts on the Dem primary. FYI, HRC has officially endorsed the O and Joe ticket.
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Posted by: Russell | August 23, 2008 4:50 PM

I had been struggling with Hillary's angry supporters, the ones who say they cannot support Obama, and the source of their anger. I have seen some postings that reflect their resentment at Obama's disparaging treatment of Hillary during the primaries, treatment I simply failed to find. Now, after devouring the Sept. '08 issue of The Atlantic, a brilliant issue at that, the article on how Hillary's campaign imploded--overspending, divisive and misdirecting staffers, and Hillary's own temper outbursts, with email evidence to boot, I am convinced that neither I nor Obama nor any other Democrat owes Sen. Clinton an apology of any kind. And Obama allowing her name to be put into nomination is generous to a fault. Obama/Biden '08!!

Posted by: United States of America | August 23, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

"We are the ones we have been waiting for."
Obama

What a numbskull

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Do NOT forget that Joe Biden wanted to Balkanize Iraq. That alone should be enough reason to not vote for him. And don't kid yourself, Biden will be the president. He has already stated repeatedly that he is more qualified to be president than Obama. This is a joke of a ticket.

Posted by: Joesacramento.com | August 23, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Clinton was great HAHAHAHAHA

When I was at disneyworld with my son at the hall of presidents i pointed to Clinton and told him that WE don't recognize him as a president

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Does Biden think that Obama is “clean” enough now? I know Biden thinks that blacks are dirty and Asian Indians who run 7/11’s have funny accents. But it seems to me, it really doesn’t matter who Barack Obama chose, Biden or not, I think he's doomed to lose his presidential bid. During the current political season an average Democratic candidate is running 10-15 points ahead of the Republican rival, while their presidential candidate Barack Obama is way behind the curve! His polls are going down and further down day by day…Among the mix of many reasons that would cause Obama’s defeat to McCain in November, one singular factor stands out in my mind. And that is Obama’s campaign's outlandish attack on Sen. Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton. This was done with the support of the America's media establishment that took us to Iraq war and never told us about the impending housing collapse. These are among many other lies that the media tell us Americans on daily basis. The media has always had high praise for Barack Obama. I know of lot of people are turned off to Barack Obama by this. That Barack Obama is the beneficiary of vindictive and unfair campaign against Hillary Clinton by the media. This fact lingers on many voters minds as the general election nears. Having not won a single important state, Barack Obama’s odds are getting higher and higher even after all the damage and devastation done to America by George Bush. Obama was propped up by the media and Moveon.Org people and Politico and others. But inherently Barack Obama is a big media production without substance. So that he went ahead and chose a consummate Washington insider, who’s been on public payroll since he was 29 years old. He is darling of Washington lobbyists. He’s been there since days of Hubert Humphrey and Tip O’Neil! Is this the way Obama is going to change Washington? Most people know that Barak Obama is another disaster waiting to happen, like George Bush. Obama has more things in common with Bush than McCain has. The big similarity is that both Bush and Obama lack experience for the job. Luckily our voters are slowly waking up to this fact. Democratic Super delegates who are nothing but a bunch of losers, has given us Barack Obama as a presidential candidate. But I think they made a huge mistake by doing that. I think only Sen. Hillary Clinton would have made a real difference; saving us from disaster and further decline of our country─ just like president Bill Clinton did.
Our media who brought us many disasters including George W. Bush is now bringing us another inexperience candidate; Barack H. Obama. Biden can noway close Obama's inexperience gap!

Posted by: elytis | August 23, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Like I said, I am for Obama…hope he wins. Keep in mind our last Democratic President was President Bill Clinton…no one can deny he was Great! His Legacy will Never Go Away!…and yes it is a tough Act to Follow…Like I said, I am for Obama…Here’s hoping he does as well…I am Hopeful.

Posted by: Alan | August 23, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Obama got his mo-Joe, bring it on

Posted by: FebM | August 23, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

For the record, this is the official word from Ms. William Jefferson Clinton on Obama's selection of Joseph Biden Jr. as his vp (as reported in today's Huffington Post):

"In naming my colleague and friend Senator Joe Biden to be the Vice Presidential nominee, Senator Obama has continued in the best traditions for the Vice Presidency by selecting an exceptionally strong, experienced leader and devoted public servant. Senator Biden will be a purposeful and dynamic Vice President who will help Senator Obama both win the Presidency and govern this great country."

Posted by: Broadway Joe | August 23, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

This is why Planned Parenthood was formed by it's founder Sanger

In 1922, Sanger declared that Jews, Hispanics, and blacks were "human weeds" that would by reproduction, "bring a dead weight of human waste into the world"; in April of 1932, Sanger outlined a "plan for peace" to eliminate these groups (in an article titled "Birth Control Review"). The article also advocated: (1) close doors to emigration to certain aliens; and (c) establishment of sterilization and/or segregation of issengenic groups, namely people considered to have bad genes;

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Plagarism v.Bottom of class, seriel adultery, Keating 5, drug addicted wife stealing from her charity, elitism,etc.

Go figure who has the most to cover-up or try to make go away.

Posted by: Debra: | August 23, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

The Post in its editorial just printed this whopper of a remark by Biden, when he talked to the Post editors this past year:

"Mr. Biden seemed to suggest that one reason so many of the District's schools fail is the city's large minority population and contrasted D.C. schools with those in Iowa. "There's less than 1 percent of the population in Iowa that is African American," Mr. Biden said. "There is probably less than 4 or 5 percent that are minorities. What is in Washington? So look, it goes back to what you start off with, what you're dealing with." The Biden campaign quickly issued a statement asserting that the candidate was referring to socioeconomic status, not racial differences. The lesson we took was not that Mr. Biden is a racist, but to worry about his tendency to speak too much before he thinks enough."

Best post of the day -Springrain
That's not change, that's Jim Crow!
or rather VPlaiagrist Biden borrowed it from Jim Crow

Posted by: Scott | August 23, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Amazing comments here. "Great VP pick. " really? Guess you haven't heard Biden diss the entire African American race, huh? Biden is a good ol' boy who will bring about as much change to the White House as Cheney could if he ran with Obama. This pairing is a disaster and Obama has sealed his fate. Too bad. I liked him and was going to vote for him before this announcement. I will NOT vote for 7-11 Biden under any circumstances.

Posted by: Joesacramento.com | August 23, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Why are 80% of comments on this article ridiculous, tin-foil hat rants, or deranged anti-Obama tirades? There is some good analysis in this blog, and I think as readers we owe Mr. Cillizza more than the kind of crap that gets forwarded on emails. Shouldn't you idiot be at a Ron Paul meetup talking about how Obama's a secret Muslim with connections to the Chicago mob?

Posted by: Good God, People! | August 23, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

... I'm a centrist Democrat who will not be voting for Obama ...

I think you're a liar. If you were a centrist of any type, you would be at least as concerned by McCain's far right policies and his own radical associates.

Posted by: synykyl | August 23, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Does need based abortion mean - I need to kill my baby cause I don't want it? Or is it, I need to party so I need to kill my baby

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

I don't believe in the talk about "liberal" and "conservative". I support need based abortion, I support family values, but I don't support gay rights, I support businesses, but I don't support giving tax breaks to oil ... ya da ya da... Am I a liberal or conservative? These are just coined by politicians to divide and conquer.

I am sure there are many like me. however, this year I am voting for Obama.

'Cause I want to have good future for my children.

'Cause I don't want to drill lot of holes on earth

'Cause I believe America needs another "go to moon" event - that is new energy policy advocated by Obama.

'Cause I don't want my children to be drafted into Oil wars (trust me I am patriotic and I will fight wars for the country, but not the kind of wars Bush/Cheney are advocating)

I hope all voters keep aside your biases and emotions and see who has the best vision and ideas.

Posted by: Texec | August 23, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse


It means it is OVER for OBAMA and the Democ”rat’ic Party, they have shown the “YOUNG VOTERS” who flocked to Obama their true colors. The Republicans can now say so this is the “CHANGE” you voted for, signed up to receive a TEXT message, gave Tens of Millions of dollars to Obama and the Democ”rat”ic Party, face it the "YOUNG VOTERS AKA "YOUTUPERS" you have be “HAD”
VJ Machiavelli
http://www.vjmachiavelli.blogspot.com

Posted by: VJ Machiavelli | August 23, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Hey Alan - Only two Republicans alive know what its like to be President too....what is your idiotic point? Oh, let me speak for you...you are a GOP troll.

Posted by: SWB | August 23, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

MNobserver,

"Biden is smart". Well, he certainly acts like he is very impressed by his intelligence and seems obsessed about trying to get others to be as well (even to the point of cheating in law school and lying about his academic record, saying he recieved three degrees instead of two, that he recieved a full scholarship when it was a half scholarship based on need not academics, and that he finished in the top half of his law school class when he actually finished close to dead last at an undistinguished law school). People are not always what they try to make themselves out as. Biden apparently is far from the intellectual heavyweight that he tries to make others think he is. I wouldn't be surprised if his history of plagiarism, cheating, lying about his academic and other accomplishments, and intellectual pretenciousness is a result of being insecure about his intellectual acuity and accomplishments.

Posted by: John Martin | August 23, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Joe Biden- Twice Failed Presidential Candidate- 1st to plagiarism next to comments about Obama's hygiene and Indian 7 Eleven cashiers- 5000 votes in 2007-8 Primaries.

Hilary Clinton- Once failed Presidential Candidate- Lost to sexism and the theft of Michigan/Florida Delegates- 18 million votes in 2007-8 Primaries.

Obama Choosing Biden- PRICELESS!

Posted by: Scott | August 23, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I had been struggling with Hillary's angry supporters, the ones who say they cannot support Obama, and the source of their anger. I have seen some postings that reflect their resentment at Obama's disparaging treatment of Hillary during the primaries, treatment I simply failed to find. Now, after devouring the Sept. '08 issue of The Atlantic, a brilliant issue at that, the article on how Hillary's campaign imploded--overspending, divisive and misdirecting staffers, and Hillary's own temper outbursts, with email evidence to boot, I am convinced that neither I nor Obama nor any other Democrat owes Sen. Clinton an apology of any kind. And Obama allowing her name to be put into nomination is generous to a fault. Obama/Biden '08!!

Posted by: Russell | August 23, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

"How stupid do the Clinton followers have to be to think that Obama is going to do them any favors?"
....... he just did us a BIG favor ... we didn't want Hillary on his losing ticket!!!
McCain '08
Hillary 2012!!!

Posted by: Francisco Cardenas | August 23, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

"How stupid do the Clinton followers have to be to think that Obama is going to do them any favors? Obama is the one guy who has been able to kick Bill & Hill to the curb, and picking Biden en route to the presidency is the coup de grace."

__________________________________

The real question is how stupid would an Obama supporter have to be to think Obama would kick the Clintons to the curb? Only 2 Democrats alive know what it's like to be president: Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. If Obama's smart enough to pick a Veep who has been in the Senate since 1972, I'm sure he's smart enough to get political counsel from the only Democrat to win back-to-back presidential elections since FDR in 1944.

Posted by: Alan | August 23, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE stop referring to yourself in the 3rd person! It is ABSURD.

"Our initial thoughts about the Obama-Biden ticket are.."

It makes reading your column impossible.

Posted by: Humility | August 23, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

How does a pro-abortion liberal catholic help anyone with the catholic vote?

McCain '08
Hillary 2012!!

Posted by: nobamanobiden | August 23, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Grrr! GRRR!

Roar! ROAR!

MEOW! Meow!


[Silence]


At last!

Posted by: PUMA | August 23, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Wow. You people are insane. Planned Parenthood created to commit genocide against minorities? Hundreds of millions in profits plus government funding? Liberals want solve every problem of life using government money? Anti-Hillary hate? Lots of name-calling. This is an ugly crazy place.

Posted by: PlainTim | August 23, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Great VP pick. It's hard to tell who is more bent out of shape over it - the GOP, quaking at the thought of prospective VP dopes like Pawlenty, Romney, Jindal, et al being skewered in a debate by Biden; or the Hillary deadenders, the last people on earth to understand that win or lose, Obama's political career depends on cutting the Clintons off at the knees.

How stupid do the Clinton followers have to be to think that Obama is going to do them any favors? Obama is the one guy who has been able to kick Bill & Hill to the curb, and picking Biden en route to the presidency is the coup de grace.

We hope the Clintons have packed some warm clothes for their upcoming trip to political Siberia. Sure they'll be speaking at the convention, but the only place you can watch it will be CSPAN-3 at 4 in the morning.

Posted by: bondjedi | August 23, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl - "Since Cilizza invites comments, I am adding some"

Like she wouldn't have done so if not invited?

"Obama's money advantage has evaporated"

If Obama just happens to win though, will you consider him responsible for paying off McCain's campaign debt?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Truth be said here is a small percentage of Americans (my grandmother one of them) who won't vote for a black president... that will be Obama's undoing..

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse


Any progressive who decides to vote for Nader (again), is a fool (again) ! Be honest, and vote for McCain.

Posted by: One_Born_Everyday | August 23, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

"I for one am and still for Obama…however, I am afraid he will loose. Did you already hear Biden “2006” in a 7-11 store making jokes about American Indians? Biden said,“you have to be Indian and have a dot on your head to own a 7-11.” I can see why they are referring to Biden as diarrhea of the mouth. That is not about Obama and his message of Change and non discriminatory. It’s all over the news they are saying Obama already lost the American Indian vote."

I think you mean Indian American.

And I know a lot of Indian Americans. I'm certain they're all laughing about that comment. They have good senses of humor.

And they're smart. They aren't voting for Bush.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 23, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

anyone who thinks McCain is not qualified to be president because he was born on a naval base is not aware of both the supreme courts beliefs and that of history. If you claim the founding fathers did not have this in mind you know very little about history. Alexander Hamilton delt with this same issue. It was put to rest several times by both legislation and court ruilings.

Posted by: yo | August 23, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Another losing ticket - dems just are genetically predisposed to weak presidential tickets

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

grandol'ignorance,

Your statement, "there is a problem. There are people that will find any excuse they can to not vote for Obama. It's easier than admitting the real reason they'd never vote for someone darker than them", displays something that makes me really disrespect Obama and many of his supporters - the suggestion that whites who don't vote for him are racists. It appears to be a ploy to try to shame whites who wouldn't otherwise vote for him into voting for him to prove that they aren't racists and to provide a convenient excuse if he loses. He played that race card in the primaries and continues to play it now in the general campaign.

I'm a centrist Democrat who will not be voting for Obama, but it has nothing to do with his race; it is because of his inexperience, character, and far left policies and radical associations. I was tremendously impressed by him in the beginning, but he has not worn well at all to me. It's become evident that he is a huge phoney. I wish he was the post-partisan, positive, problem-solving centrist that he tries to present himself as.

My favorite young politician:
Harold Ford, Jr., former Blue Dog Democratic Congressman and policy wonk from Tennessee who was narrowly defeated in his race for a U.S. Senate for Tennessee in 2006 in a nasty race noted for the racist campaign the Republicans ran against him.

Posted by: John Martin | August 23, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Yea, Biden wanted to divide the Iraq based on religious belief, how stupid was that!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Nobama thought he was too good. He thought he was sooo much better than the Clintons. He thought he was Jesus, came to unite the world, and that the Clintons were old fools, lacking his touch. He was cocky, arrogant, clueless, and foolish.

The media pimps fed his ego. They have long ago become pompous fools with no critical thought, no insights, no will to question; in short they became useless long ago. But now they became harmful, feeding a frenzy, cultivating a whole group of simpletons that became groupies of Nobama. These koolaid drinking nuts bought into the whole Nobama snakeoil and believed that if only every one thought like them and voted Nobama, the world will be solved of all its problems.

Now, the Nobama balloon has been pierced. As the writer said, the helium has leaked out. He was never more than a windbag; w/o the helium, he is looking like a very small punctured rubber bag.

The country fell for this 8 years ago. The pity is that those same old fools that bought into the Bush nonsense now have fallen for the Nobama snake oil. These fools think their fault was picking the wrong man then. How silly? The problem was their lack of thought, suspension of questioning ability and skepticism; their willingness to follow the latest fad like a bunch of rats in the Piper story.

Now they have doe it again. Thankfully the election is not over yet, and the Repubs have given us at least a palatable choice, the best they could have done. If it was Giuliani or Freddie, it could have been a Scylla and Charybdis choice in Nov. Now it aint so bad.

And now this pick. The snake oil sloganeer claimed all along that he was for change, what ever that meant. He said judgement was the key, not experience.

But inside he knew all the time that he was a fake; he knew he could fool enough in the dem party to steal the nomination but not the whole country to steal the election. SO he went and picked a garrulous nut that has a big mouth, a foot that fits into that mouth, and a penchant to keep shoving that foot into that mouth.

Change - what change? 36 years of insidership. Anti-war? What is that, for some one who voted for Iraq war. Heck, did this guy even endorse Brrack even by June 2nd? Perhaps Joey was waiting to see which one wins, cause he wanted to be on the ticket regardless of who was on top.

And what of Brraack's lie that HRC would be on "any one's short list". WHat a two faced lie, we all knew he was lying, and now it is confirmed. He did n't even vet. Now the Clinton supporters are free to go where they really want tobe - which is not in Nobama's camp.

Just a few months ago, Joey thought Nobama had no experience to run anything. He thought Mac makes a better ticket. Heck, Joey even said he would be honored to be on Mac's ticket.

Joey was n't lying then. He had nothing to lose back then. Whatever noises he made today in support of Nobama are the true lies.


Posted by: intcamd1 | August 23, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Joe Biden is one of a very very small group of politicians whose opinion on foreign policy issues is worth a damn. He's an excellent choice for VP.

Posted by: Synykyl | August 23, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I for one am and still for Obama…however, I am afraid he will loose. Did you already hear Biden “2006” in a 7-11 store making jokes about American Indians? Biden said,“you have to be Indian and have a dot on your head to own a 7-11.” I can see why they are referring to Biden as diarrhea of the mouth. That is not about Obama and his message of Change and non discriminatory. It’s all over the news they are saying Obama already lost the American Indian vote. They also say Romney appeals to Dems,Christians and Jews. I too would have liked Obama to pick Hillary not only b/c I like her and Bill’s experience etc. but also to secure the nomination…I hate to say this but we still have a very Divided Party Now More Then Ever!! Look at these blogs. McCain and Romney are advertised as a different kind of Republican and say they are going to take a Democratic Approach with the Economy…McCain already has and from everyone I talk to Romney seems to pull in the Democrats and the Youth Vote and Seniors Too. I know we need a democrat this year but I’m afraid we will not get it…maybe Obama can “change” his mind and pick Hillary if he goes down in those polls. Hoping for Luck 08!

Posted by: Alan | August 23, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

He should have picked Bayh, would have gone much better with his theme of change, Biden looks like and old weirdo

Posted by: ted | August 23, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Tip jar for Anonymous. His/her post is like AsperGirl repellant. Thanks for sharing the knowledge with her and the trolls, not that it will do any good.
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Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 3:54 PM

I have seen your right wing posts all over "Asper Girl". I must say that this one deserves a short reply. The comment that Obama is in "defensive scramble mode" and "no longer able to drive the agenda" is incorrect and a self serving interpretation. I think if you look at this objectively you will see the real situation. Obama is letting McCain self destruct. I mean he has a clear and consistent reputation for crashing and burning. Once McCain finishes spending all his negative trash and his $ on stupid ads and issues, Obama will go on the offensive. No point wasting your powder.

I mean, just look, Obama is still leading McCain even with McCain's "offensive", which indeed I would call his "offensive" offensive. Not to mention, this lead is:
without Obama's VP pick to ad to his gravitas,
without the Dems full recovery from Hillary-itis (they will be next week - watch and see the discipline going forward in this party)
without Obama in the country for 10 days and
with him on vacation for a week.
With McCain all the while on the "offensive" offensive:
manufacturing false issues,
whining about unbalanced press coverage,
lying to the media about the timing of his VP pick to blunt Obama's coverage, and
generally laying in the gutter of gutters of American morals and politics.

I like what Obama is doing and how he is going about it. He is saving his money and his energy for the real issues, for the real race. And, the race is just starting. And, Obama is going to be on the offensive and driving the agenda more than McCain going forward.

McCain, as the heat comes on, as he must perform freestyle in the debates, will show more of his true colours. He will show his age, he will show his true morals.

It will in my view still be a close race because of race, because of the trash from the Republican machine, because people do have to get familiar with a new and rather unfamiliar face.

I think the judgment on the Obama and Biden ticket will be a winning one.

Posted by: United States of America | August 23, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Biden is a solid pick. The people who say he's a party hack don't know him and are making totally superficial comments.

Biden is smart, and he gets it.

The thing I think that's true is that he and Obama have very different styles and seeing them on the stump may be a little strange. But, Biden was my choice for president from the beginning.

Posted by: MNobserver | August 23, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I am getting pretty tired of hearing the terms "liberal" and "conservative" being used as terms they don't represent at all. As an independent voter for 30 years, I can't equate liberal with communist, nor solicialist anymore than I can equate conservative with Republican. The terms have been hijacked. True conservatives would not run up a $10 trillion debt, and advocating healthcare and education improvements don't equate to communism.

Let's get on to the issues, and make the next candidate that runs an ad that fundamentally misrepresents buy equal time and ad placement acknowledging their misstatements. As an example, ads mistating facts run during the Olympics would require mea culpa ads in equivalent demographics and viewer share. That would end the silliness very quickly.

Posted by: Indy Pendent | August 23, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

So, if the Republicans want to drag out Biden's plagiarism matter from 20 years ago, I guess that McCain's fraudulent activities in regard to the Savings & Loan debacle (he was one of the "Keating five") should be ripe to use against him, as well.

Be careful what you wish for. . . .

Posted by: ch | August 23, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

God, you are an idiot. You quote Ron Fournier of the AP. You do know he used to work for McCain.

Also he praised the pick of Cheney for Bush. Said great for a young guy to pick an experienced guy.

Where does the Washington Post find so many clowns.

Posted by: Ken | August 23, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

NADER for PRESIDENT?

Tell me about Nader? I am ignorant to his views. Seriously, I never said I knew everything; I just know that this is a 2 party system. Flawed or not it would take a great cohesive force to elect a third party candidate into the white house.

I would love to see that but there is something else that would make me happier--limited terms.

I would like to see a quick fix but a protest vote is not a possibility. Either vote for Obama or McCain. If you don't do this you will be stuck saying bitter things the rest of your life. You will end up with a head full of conspiracy theories.

Posted by: Jennifer | August 23, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Just saw Biden's speech, my immpressions - he seems a little strange, not very presidential at all

Posted by: jill | August 23, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone decipher the language Jennifer is speaking? I see words that *look* like English, but they are strung together in a totally nonsensical fashion.

Posted by: grandol'ignorance | August 23, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Lee Parker

Great between the Woman and her Doctor. I guess the child will be consulted as well.

Let see, how would that go:

"Honey, I know you don't have a voice but do you want to live or would you prefer to be treated as a "punishment.?"

Posted by: Jennifer | August 23, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Biden's a shopworn senate hack who voted for the Iraq war of aggression; this was the result of all that foreign policy experience? Jack Reed was my pick.I'm a progressive Dem who liked Obama until this AM. Maybe Nader now.

Posted by: DaveD | August 23, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 23, 2008 2:10 PM
"(7) SUMMARY The defensive-scramble mode Obama is in right now is the consequence of nominating an under qualified and inexperienced candidate in a year where there is a whole set of unprecedented and historic global dislocations that would challenge any president. Obama's no longer in a position to drive the campaign dialog but is reacting to events. This is not unlike the kind of president he would be, trying to learn on the job as disasters unfold in this decade where globalization and its dislocations will force many changes on us. This could have been predicted and in fact was predicted by Clinton and her supporters."

I have seen your right wing posts all over "Asper Girl". I must say that this one deserves a short reply. The comment that Obama is in "defensive scramble mode" and "no longer able to drive the agenda" is incorrect and a self serving interpretation. I think if you look at this objectively you will see the real situation. Obama is letting McCain self destruct. I mean he has a clear and consistent reputation for crashing and burning. Once McCain finishes spending all his negative trash and his $ on stupid ads and issues, Obama will go on the offensive. No point wasting your powder.

I mean, just look, Obama is still leading McCain even with McCain's "offensive", which indeed I would call his "offensive" offensive. Not to mention, this lead is:
without Obama's VP pick to ad to his gravitas,
without the Dems full recovery from Hillary-itis (they will be next week - watch and see the discipline going forward in this party)
without Obama in the country for 10 days and
with him on vacation for a week.
With McCain all the while on the "offensive" offensive:
manufacturing false issues,
whining about unbalanced press coverage,
lying to the media about the timing of his VP pick to blunt Obama's coverage, and
generally laying in the gutter of gutters of American morals and politics.

I like what Obama is doing and how he is going about it. He is saving his money and his energy for the real issues, for the real race. And, the race is just starting. And, Obama is going to be on the offensive and driving the agenda more than McCain going forward.

McCain, as the heat comes on, as he must perform freestyle in the debates, will show more of his true colours. He will show his age, he will show his true morals.

It will in my view still be a close race because of race, because of the trash from the Republican machine, because people do have to get familiar with a new and rather unfamiliar face.

I think the judgment on the Obama and Biden ticket will be a winning one.

Posted by: Paul Stewart II | August 23, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Nash_Insecurity

Just so you know Planned Parenthood was started to keep the population of nonwhites down. When they saw how many babies they were having they started an organization to keep this from happening.

Well, if you are trying to keep the minorities down the first thing you do is help them obtain a murder er ah I mean an abortion of their little innocent colored baby.

Posted by: History lesson | August 23, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I am a true conservative: i.e., I believe the least government is best. I am not, however, a Republican. For one thing, I think that abortion should not be a government issue. It should be a private choice between a woman and her doctor.

I am an independent.

I do not really have a definition of a liberal, but I suspect that it is that government can and should solve all problems--using our taxes. I don't agree with this, do you?

Posted by: Lee Parker | August 23, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 23, 2008 2:10 PM
"(7) SUMMARY The defensive-scramble mode Obama is in right now is the consequence of nominating an under qualified and inexperienced candidate in a year where there is a whole set of unprecedented and historic global dislocations that would challenge any president. Obama's no longer in a position to drive the campaign dialog but is reacting to events. This is not unlike the kind of president he would be, trying to learn on the job as disasters unfold in this decade where globalization and its dislocations will force many changes on us. This could have been predicted and in fact was predicted by Clinton and her supporters."

I have seen your right wing posts all over "Asper Girl". I must say that this one deserves a short reply. The comment that Obama is in "defensive scramble mode" and "no longer able to drive the agenda" is incorrect and a self serving interpretation. I think if you look at this objectively you will see the real situation. Obama is letting McCain self destruct. I mean he has a clear and consistent reputation for crashing and burning. Once McCain finishes spending all his negative trash and his $ on stupid ads and issues, Obama will go on the offensive. No point wasting your powder.

I mean, just look, Obama is still leading McCain even with McCain's "offensive", which indeed I would call his "offensive" offensive. Not to mention, this lead is:
without Obama's VP pick to ad to his gravitas,
without the Dems full recovery from Hillary-itis (they will be next week - watch and see the discipline going forward in this party)
without Obama in the country for 10 days and
with him on vacation for a week.
With McCain all the while on the "offensive" offensive:
manufacturing false issues,
whining about unbalanced press coverage,
lying to the media about the timing of his VP pick to blunt Obama's coverage, and
generally laying in the gutter of gutters of American morals and politics.

I like what Obama is doing and how he is going about it. He is saving his money and his energy for the real issues, for the real race. And, the race is just starting. And, Obama is going to be on the offensive and driving the agenda more than McCain going forward.

McCain, as the heat comes on, as he must perform freestyle in the debates, will show more of his true colours. He will show his age, he will show his true morals.

It will in my view still be a close race because of race, because of the trash from the Republican machine, because people do have to get familiar with a new and rather unfamiliar face.

I think the judgment on the Obama and Biden ticket will be a winning one.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Just heard the O-and-Joe event in Springfield, MO. Spectacular. Perfect setting -- Lincoln and where O started all this. O, a great introduction of Joe and his personal story. And Joe, a great back at ya. Correctly, Joe described this race as the most important since Roosevelt. Their lovely ladies were resplendent. Great stuff...Thank you for them.

Posted by: United States of America | August 23, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

UGH! 'puter glich!
I meant to say was.... did I need to explain that I was breaking it down for YOU?

OVER and OUT!

Posted by: Haniel | August 23, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Nash_Insecurity

I can not do that to "my daughter or granddaughter or any daughter [they were aborted]." I don't feel too good about that poking a baby with a small spear or my granddaughter getting the vacuum cleaner treatment but at least people have the right to kill a baby for their own selfish reasons. I would not want to "punish" them!

By the way did you know that planned Parenthood made 100's of million dollars last year in profit? Wow, and they get funding from the government.

Posted by: Jennifer | August 23, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

grandol'ignorance

And the buzzer goes off Sorry, you get parting gifts:

THis is not about Black Vs White. Obama did say "Typical WHite person" but that doesn't mean anything--I mean just because he is a Farrakhan candidate.

No, if you will recall the polls said that a certain black candidate ran for office last time he would have easily won the election by plus 10%. He chose not to run. ANd if Rice were to run we could probably get her into office. I guess there are blacks out there that could win an election for their views are the Republican views. I just don't see Obama as the proper candidate.

So what if McCain said "Typical Black Person??" If that PC or would he have been dropped by now because of the backlash.

I can't see how you could vote for a Black candidate just because he is black but I guess that is what is all about--getting someone black, anyone black.

Posted by: Jennifer | August 23, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Now all McCain needs to do is to pick Governor Bobby Jindal as Vice President.

Since Obama picked a 65 year old party hack from Delaware, McCain should pick the Governor of Louisiana. A former Congressman, Jindal became the youngest governor in America last January at the age of 36.

Jindal sponsored the bill to eliminate the moratorium on offshore oil and gas drilling over the continental shelf.

As the son of Indian immigrants, it might even shame Biden for saying "You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I'm not joking."

Posted by: alance | August 23, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

SOMETIMES CONTRAST JUST MAKES THINGS WORSE

I was curious about how this would be received here in the Flyover.

Went out this morning just to return surprised at the unanimity of opinion.

That the ticket needs to be reversed.

All capable, long in the Senate Biden is going to do is make it glaring clear how inexperienced and pointless Obama is as potential presidential material.

What this essentially gives people is a decision on whether they want an experienced president or an experienced vice president. Which do you seriously think they are going to end up picking?

If the Democrats really do want to win this election, they'll reverse the ticket at the very last moment, while they still can.

What you 've got right now, bottom line, is McCain running for president with Biden running for vice president and Obama running for Poster Boy.

Since George Bush gave us eight years of a Poster Boy being managed by a crafty, long-time political animal in

Cheney, this exacerbates all the similarities that are becoming ever more obvious between Obama and George Bush.

Nobility in defeat is an ideal. Consistency in defeat is what the Democrats have trained themselves to expect.

You can be Karl Rove is having a very good morning today. You've just handed him his third consecutive election.

-gala1

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

It's glorious if the Republicans really want to start getting into late-1980s errors on the part of the Democrats' vice-presidential candidate, because responding with McCain's own errors from that era is far more damaging.

Posted by: Chrs | August 23, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse


That's a BRAVE comment, A*N*O*N*Y*M*O*U*S Hee hee hee heee......!

On I NEED to explain I was breaking it down for YOU?

(A-hem)back to work...


Haniel is obviously a child judging by his/her simplistic definitions. He/she has to go to work, alright. People need to read their newspapers.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 3:17 PM

Posted by: Haniel | August 23, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Any Hillary supporter who say she is going to vote for McCain should first turn to her daughters and grand daughters and explain why she allowed Roe v Wade and Griswold v Connecticutt to be overturned by the McCain Supreme Court. I refuse to do that to my children.


"Griswold was the Executive Director of the Planned Parenthood League of Connecticut. Both she and the Medical Director for the League gave information, instruction, and other medical advice to married couples concerning birth control. Griswold and her colleague were convicted under a Connecticut law which criminalized the provision of counselling, and other medical treatment, to married persons for purposes of preventing conception."

Hillary's weaknesses are her own, and not Obama's. Hillary took a dominant lead, massive capital, extensive goodwill and squandered it through terrible management, inability to hire talented people, and constantly shifting strategy, tactics and messages. Sadly, I think Hillary could have done better without Bill and hope she runs again in 2016 with Bill staying in a rocker.


Posted by: Nash_Insecurity | August 23, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

But dear god, someone needs to define the word "literally" for him.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 23, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Yes, grandparocks, you are right... there is a problem. There are people that will find any excuse they can to not vote for Obama. It's easier than admitting the real reason they'd never vote for someone darker than them. Fortunately a good chunk of those people are old and dying. But hopefully we can move onward and upward even before you're dead and gone...

Posted by: grandol'ignorance | August 23, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Joey Biden is an insufferable, self intoxicated 'wind bag'.

Find my words harsh? Watch or read his nauseating discourse during the Judge Alito confirmation hearing.

12 Minutes, 1 question, HELL ON EARTH. If there was sinaie pills in the room you would of witnessed a MASS SUICIDE of epic proportion.

WARNING: Be sure to be sitting down and have a barf bag near by..you'll need it.

Posted by: B.T. | August 23, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Don't Tread on Me

And who is running the country right now?? I don't see any great big changes from your Democrat congress. Well, were the heck are they? What big turn around can we expect from them?

And did Bush put a gun to the Dem's head when they voted to go to war? You can blame Bush for everything but you can not offer a solution that makes any sense.

Lets have a troop rise in Afghanastan and then pull out of Iraq as accorded to the service leaders in the field. When they tell Obama what to do he is going to do it. Oh, wait that makes him a figurehead?

So Now he is a demigod and when he is in office he will be a figurehead. Ok, I am following your line of thinking--perfect.

Posted by: Jennifer | August 23, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Just so you know I don't have a dog in this fight, I am a disenfranchised moderate who will be voting for Bob Barr out of sheer exasperation with the two major choices we are offered.

I believe Obama picked Biden to influence the "bubba" vote that got Clinton elected.
Most of the HRC supporters I know are voting for McCain, voting for Barr or staying home on election day. This is probably an effort to capture the fencesitters. It wouldn't matter to me who he picked. He is too dirty politically and too radical for me to pull the lever for him.

McCain needs to pick someone the "talkshow" right likes. Romney may be the guy but he won't help with the "Christian" right. I think he should pick Huckabee. I might vote for a McCain/Huckabee ticket but I can't think of anyone else who would sway me. My main fear of McCain is that he has been co-opted by the RNC and represents 4 more years of failed GWB policies.

I have voted for Republicans over the years as well as Democrats. I have, however, voted for the Democrat Presidential nominee in every election since McGovern. The fact that I, a middle class, somewhat educated white man in his 50's is not voting for Obama/Anybody should tell you that there is a problem. I am not the only one who feels this way.

Posted by: grandparocks | August 23, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Don't Tread On Me, you have absolutely nailed it. If we could recommend posts here, you'd get hundreds.

Posted by: jocko_the_monkey | August 23, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Can you believe that Biden has been a senator since he was 30? Impressive. And yet, he doesn't seem like a Washington insider for some reason. He's had his verbal gaffes, but does not have any real scandals or anything like McCain.

And Biden just made his first "sevenhouse" joke.

I like this guy a lot. I know at least two Hillary voters who are thrilled with this pick.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 23, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

PeixeGato

Tell me about thes flip flops. Your hero that we "stole the election" from, Gore was the biggest Flip Flop ever. Was he not a Republican before he saw opportunity knock and became a Democrat?

As for Obama, he had to push he rivals off the ticket to get into office and he never could get 70% as did McCain.

As for cheating on his wife..are you kidding me?

Posted by: Not gato | August 23, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

I can't help but laugh at the irony in some of these post from the McCain supporters. They tell us we need experience- to be more precise- conservatives with experience, to fix the problems that ail our country. Well, how did these problems arise in the first place? How did the subprime mess unfold? How did the Iraq war get started? Why has the U.S. dollar been in a free-fall? Why do we have a national debt that's nearly 10 TRILLION DOLLARS?

Look, you so called 'conservatives had nearly 8 years to move this country forward, and instead you left us a mountain of trouble.

So please, if you're thinking about voting for McCain, do the country a favor, stay home, we simply cannot afford 4 more years of 'conservatism.'

Posted by: Don't Tread on Me | August 23, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Woooo Hoooo...look at the repugnican's pee themselves. Couldn't have been better if Obama would have picked Clark. Joe's gonna eat McBush's lunch! Get ready for a campaign like you all have never seen before...the Democrats are gonna kick some old, whitey, elite azz. Even a cockroach won't want to be a Repugnantan when they are done.

Posted by: SWMissouri | August 23, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Biden shares a lot of characteristics with Obama that will reinforce the negative narrative about him, and now the ticket as a whole. They are both windbags, plagiarists, intellectual snobs, bereft of executive and economic experience, much more liberal than the populace at large, public liars (particularly about themselves), and arrogant.

Furthermore, the choice of Biden works against Obama's anti-Washington change message and his efforts to present his inexperience as an asset (emphasizing his supposed judgment over experience).

It was also a choice made out of weakness as a result of the voting populace's perception that Obama is a risky candidate because of his inexperience in national and international matters, particularly in foreign policy and security issues, and hubris. While it adds needed foreign policy experience to the ticket, Obama's choice of Biden also highlights Obama weaknesses and undercuts his attempts to present himself as "nonpolitical". This choice would not have been made if Obama's significant lead in the polls had not been lost over the summer.

Obama had created an impression of being refreshingly new, bold and positive. He has not worn well though. Over time, it has become clear that he is just another ambitious political partisan playing the political game for his own personal interests, and one without a record of getting things done for the American people.

McCain has a negative narrative too, but I'll keep that shorter and to the point since this is a response to an article about Obama and Biden: McCain can be seen as belligerent, unlikable, hot-headed, and old (the latter of which the Obama campaign has been subtly playing up in a big way, while falsely denying it).

Posted by: John Martin | August 23, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Will B, how does it feel to know the future? Awesome, I'll bet. Please share the winning numbers at the next monster Powerball Lotto in a follow-up post? Thanks!

Posted by: Will Knows All | August 23, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Haniel is obviously a child judging by his/her simplistic definitions. He/she has to go to work, alright. People need to read their newspapers.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Biden/Obama seals the loss for the Dems again...

Posted by: Will B | August 23, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Chris: You actually referenced Ron Fournier w/out putting his "analysis" w/in double quotes? Please don't insult our intelligence like that in future? Thank you.

As for plagiarism from twenty years ago possibly being regarded as a "fundamental character flaw" -- gee, I don't know, is being a w-h-o-r-e for Keating (as John McCain was) twenty years ago, and for a gazillion lobbyists ever since, possibly a bigger "fundamental character flaw"? You be the judge.

Posted by: Your Librul Media | August 23, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Isn't the best defense against Biden's plagiarism the fact that McCain also had a momentary lapse of judgement around the same time? Keating Five?

Posted by: christopher | August 23, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Haniel

Fox news ha ha. I watch documentaries on PBS and I see how much contempt liberals have for Fox news! I remember this one about the election of a Black Police Chief.

People sitting around the table in their home. One lady I guess the matriarch said something in a loud tone about hating Fox news.

Posted by: Jennifer not a liberal | August 23, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Jennifer,

Apologies to all others, but one last thought: Liberals are every BIT as reality-oriented, and in many cases much MORE so than the "opposite side of the aisle"....we are the WORKING class, the ones who know the difference between a PAYCHECK and a TRUST FUND.

We get "reality" one hard hitting BLOW at a time. We have had to face too many HARDSHIPS to be easily fooled. Today's conservative has an attitude of entitlement, but only to those "they" deem "worthy"....themselves. And that, "my friend, is NOT change we can beieve in!"


I like Biden, think about it. If Obama chooses someone too "Inexperienced", he gets it for that. BTW~ the only job requirement to be a president (and McCain doesn't meet one, if we were to use your scale of judgement)is:

1. Over 35 Y/O
2. Be a "natural born" citizen of the U.S.

Now....I say that McCain is NOT a "natural born citizen" according to the constitution, because the U.S. was originally a non-interventionist nation,a "natural born citizen MEANT YOU WERE BORN IN THE CONTIGUOUS U.S.

Now...If you are going to continue to spread the lie that Obama was "for" baby killing, then I want to hear you defend your argument that John McCain is "QUALIFIED" UNDER THE U.S. CONSTITUTION to run for president. The "Founding Fathers" obviously meant the contiguous U.S., as our expnsionist naval bases were not even a nightmare, let alone a reality.

I don't intend to have a conversation on this website, because I have to go to WORK, but those are a couple of thoughts for you to chew on. Nice meeting you...have a nice day.

Posted by: Haniel | August 23, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

I dont think that these reasons out weigh the good things about biden

http://sensico.wordpress.com/2008/08/23/live/

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

You nailed it, McGee2. Add in global warming and destabilization in Russia and the Middle East for good measure. Perfect post.
________

Posted by: McGee2 | August 23, 2008 2:30 PM

Today's voters are far more concerned right now with how to pay for their
mortgages, gas, food, health care, retirement, and their children's college educations than about stuff like that. And clearly Senator Obama and his team analyzed everything and determined that Senator Biden's strengths (of which there are many) outweighed everything else. So let it go.

Posted by: United States of America | August 23, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Biden is a typical Washington windbag -- a man who has talked a great deal about the nation's problems without ever solving any of them. I'd say the same thing about him that I would about McCain -- if he knows how to solve the country's problems, how come he hasn't done anything about it in the 30 years he's been in Washington?

The media hail his "foreign policy experience." What experience? He's the chairman of a committee. Anyone who has stuck around the Senate for 30 years gets to be the chairman or ranking member of a committee. Has he ever negotiated a treaty or dealt with a foreign policy crisis in any way other than by talking about it on television? If Obama wanted someone who actually has experience handling foreign policy problems he should have picked Richard Holbrooke, who negotiated the Bosnia treaty, or Bill Richardson, who helped Clinton defuse the nuclear crisis with North Korea. They are people who have actually done something in the foreign policy arena. All Biden has ever done is talk.

Posted by: simon | August 23, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Chris, the Fournier AP piece you linked to has been rated by readers (they let you vote on it) as about a "2" on a 2-5 scale. 'Nuff said.

Fournier's is one of those unfair Catch 22 anti-Barry columns. The media having previously gone on and on about Barry's alleged lack of foreign policy experience, Fournier now slams Barry when he, smartly, shores that up by picking a foreign policy giant.

Biden's the right pick. The key here is that Biden is a bulldog on TV, articulate as heck, knows all the media and political players, and, importantly knows Mac inside and out, including his temperament (which buttons to push) and any skeletons. The wisdom of this veep choice will get clearer as the race goes on. Let's see Dowd's take on this in tomorrow's NY Times.

Posted by: Captain America | August 23, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Two more votes for Biden/Obama in this house. JOE IS RIGHT!!!!!!

Posted by: Donna Hughes | August 23, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I confused the Keating Five scandal. I was glad to take the time to finally learn the details because I was working from assumption that the scandal was regarding the loans (a Keating issue as well). Anyhow, It seems as if McCain did talk on behalf of Keating because he was friends with Keating and Keating was a supporter.

There is no evidence he did anything illegal but he did have a meeting which was questionable. It is possible he was using influence as a Senator to help Keating. He did take monies or gifts such as trips (which he after the scandal did pay back).

All in all, senator McCain was clean legally but Yes,it may be helpful to know that McCain did not cross the line for Keating as the other (democrat) members of the keating 5 and that is evidence he never crossed the line. Keating was very angry to not have gotten the assistance from McCain in the manner he was looking for.

Posted by: Jennifer | August 23, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Biden, as others have noted, could
legitimately be on the top of the
ticket. He's already presented the only reasonable solution for Iraq....partition it, then get out. Pragmatic and outspoken Joe will present a fine counterpoint to the potential pick of an artificial Mitt Romney, who
will probably treat us to more
tired old McCain bromides about how effective "the surge" has been in cutting down the violence from daily to once-a-week events.
Being "less incompetent" than you
were before is now synonymous with "winning" for Republicans.
What have we come to?

Posted by: jocko the monkey | August 23, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Great choice.
Now the Democrats will have two orators.

Posted by: Loewenmelf | August 23, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I know what a liberal is because I am one. The load of hogwash you posted (your "definition") tells me that you certainly are not. It is pretty "typical" as far as I am concerned, we saw what we got for the past 8 years with the "conservatives". Killing babies after they're born? What, are you a faux news listener? Sounds like it. No credibility for you! Do you believe EVERYTHING you hear? You nullify your entire argument with such nonsense.

Posted by: Haniel | August 23, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I am very happy with the selection of Joe Biden for VP. I hope he shows Obama how to rescind all of Dubya's unconstitutional signing statements.

Posted by: Donna | August 23, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

"As the Associated Press's Ron Fournier noted in an analysis this morning, picking Biden shows that Obama and his team are concerned that questions of whether the Illinois senator is ready for the job have the potential to be politically dangerous"

...while you'd want the VP to be "ready for the job" also, to make the choice based primarily on this is handing the issue to your opponent especially when he doesn't have that question on him.

McCain will now say that of the two Biden is the only one who really has the experience to be President.

Posted by: jfc1 | August 23, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Chris, first, please use correct grammar. Senator Biden has been "lying" low, not "laying" low.

Now that I've gotten that off my chest, I'd have to say that after so many years of George W. Bush's appallingly bad behavior, the bar has been set pretty darn low, plagiarism-wise and otherwise. In short, no one will care about that non-issue except desperate Republicans and you inside-the-Beltway folks. In fact, I defy any of you, let alone the average voter, to give the correct name, spelling, nationality and political party of the person whose words Senator Biden borrowed more than 20 years ago.

Today's voters are far more concerned right now with how to pay for their mortgages, gas, food, health care, retirement, and their children's college educations than about stuff like that. And clearly Senator Obama and his team analyzed everything and determined that Senator Biden's strengths (of which there are many) outweighed everything else. So let it go.

Posted by: McGee2 | August 23, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

A "supposed Catholic" politician that supports abortion, makes me sick as a Catholic

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

It's this simple: O plus Joe means win.

Our sad lonely voyage is just about over...

P.S. Oh, Asper"Girl" ("girl," yeah, right), please join us on deck.

Posted by: USS Forrestal 1967 | August 23, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Haniel 01:48 PM asks "Define 'Super liberal', and exactly WHAT is wrong with that?"
Answer: The people who call themselves 'liberals' or 'Super liberals' are not liberals at all, they are Socialists and Communists who use the liberal mantel because the Socialist and Communist labels have been discredited by history. Liberals all want a controlling government that's more like a mommy and daddy type were no one is responsible for anything, and all is taken care of for you. They accomplish this by taxing all your income to the strathosphere and using these monies to re-distrubute all wealth to people that they consiter not so lucky in life. It doesn't matter to them that maybe that person is not so lucky in life by his/her own actions, they still get the freebees. The Communists describe it best with their mantra 'from each according to his ability to each according to his need'. That mantra is exactly what liberals believe in.

Posted by: wj | August 23, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

"Biden has also been vetted at the national stage at least twice -- during his runs for president in 1987 and 2008. That means -- almost certainly -- that everything bad or unsavory about Biden -- we deal with the plagiarism issue below -- is known to the media, and lessens the chances of some sort of revelation over the next few months that takes Obama off message."

...but by that same logic, Obama is a time-bomb.

This was a poor pick. It's little better than choosing McCain himself for his running-mate.

I see that Obama was a in a tough situation, the political insiders never forget (all of Bidens' gaffes are going to come out again) and I can see how anyone with a real chance at running for president themselves wouldn't want to be tied to Obama if there's a real chance that he would lose. But this is a loser pick using loser-logic. All it will do is say "if you think that there is a good reason to not vote for me, then I have chosen Biden as my VP just to assuage your concerns".

Obama should have chosen someone from his own camp, who is like him a fresh face on the national scene. that would have reinforced his strengths and his weaknesses would have fallen by the wayside. This just works the other way around. Choose a long-time Beltway insider who has already failed to even get the Democratic nomination twice? Stupid. Beyond that there is tape of him criticizing Obama as a candidate?

Baffling.

Knocking away one good reason to not vote for McCain. He's failed to get the Republican nomination twice, and look who beat him out for it! There is something seriously wrong with him as well and now Obama has saddled himself with the same problem.

Posted by: jfc1 | August 23, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

susan

I live in the great state of Arizona.
Keating 5?? He lied or made omissions to his application when he got the loans. WHat does that have to do with anyone but Keaton? These were not McCains loans. He was cleared.

On the otherhand, We know that Mr. Obama is big time a Chicagoland political machine member. Nothing is more corrupt politically than the Mayor Daley Mafia.

Posted by: Jennifer | August 23, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

"Our initial thoughts about the Obama-Biden ticket are below. Feel free to add your own in the comments section."

...what? I thought the whole purpose of this article was to tell us what it means.

Posted by: jfc1 | August 23, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I do believe that Obama picked the right guy. Picking a too smooth politician to go with a too smooth politician would be a mistake. Obama is already vulnerable to attacks on his image as an experiential light weight that is all show. The Obama campaign has been getting beaten up in the media and has had no attack dog to bite back. Biden provides a resume and a straight talking bulldog who people will not only tolerate aggressive and blunt talk from, but will actually expect it. Like good couples opposites don't attract, but people who complement each other's skills do.
The electorate's tolerance, perhaps even craving for blunt, honest, authentic candidates is clear. McCain’s nomination is a result of this and Obama’s selection of Biden shows he is listening.
~Underdog
http://underdogsog.blogspot.com/

Posted by: underdogsog | August 23, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Pimp (Obama) and 'Loose Lips' (Biden).
Geez Cillizza, just how well do you think that's going to pay in the heart of Churchland and the South!
Frign' idiotic choice!

Posted by: JC | August 23, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Wow! Just read the Ron Fournier piece Cilizza had linked to. I suppose I agree since my analysis notes posted overlap.

Obama's battling his own deficiencies at this point. He's losing.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 23, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Haniel

"super Liberal"

You start with this nice feeling and you spread a message and everyone feels good about it. You get angry at everyone who argues their side of an issue because you believe you are saving them from their poor understanding. You call these non-believers (funny because you are more earthy than heavenly in thought) names like "mean", and use the race card to further call someones good name into question. You throw blood on peoples nice fur coats because you think you have the right to force people to be in line with your belief (even though animals are our servants entrusted to us but nonetheless there for our food, our clothing and even our conveyance).

SUper liberals believe in killin babies after they are born because they could the baby as a non-human and call a baby a "punishment."

They go to a campus church there for more than 100years and take plastic wrap and roll it around and around a crucifix--because they are going to show us we are a Godless nation no matter.

You know what a liberal is now with Obama you may learn the hard way what a super liberal is.

Posted by: Jennifer | August 23, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Since Cilizza invites comments, I am adding some that I had already posted to Dan Balz brief but effective analysis summary earlier. Needless to day, I disagree with his reading of what Obama's pick of Biden means. (The fact that he reads the Biden pick as an affirmation of Obama's "pragmatism" elicits a big guffaw from me.)

Within the context of the other Obama campaign strategy shifts and changes last week, I'm seeing that Obama's in "damage control mode."

2008 OBAMA CAMPAIGN PRECONVENTION NOTES

(1) DIVING DEEP INTO THE DIRT:

Obama's gone deeply negative on McCain, running an hack-at-the-spouse ad against Cindy McCain in Florida. Obama's new swing state strategy is going for deep negative attacks on McCain.

(2) BACKPEDALING THE 50-STATE STRATEGY:

There are signs Obama's campaign is backpedaling on the 50-state strategy. He's pulling ads in some states.

(3) JOE BIDEN SUBSTANCE V. POLITICAL VP PICK HAS TO BE VIEWED AS DAMAGE CONTROL:

Dan Balz is right about Biden in PA and with Catholics. But fundamentally, Biden is a substance pick, not a political pick intended to help Obama win a particular state. Biden shores up a foreign policy deficiency of Obama's that became a fatal flaw subsequent to the Russian games over in Georgia.

What does this substance VP pick tell us? Obama's no longer defining the contest parameters, and is in damage control mode.

(4) OBAMA NOT LIVING UP TO THE "NEW POLITICS" RHETORIC

With his VP pick, Obama switched from a "change" and "new politics" ticket to an "old politics white senior DC pol who knows what he's teaching the young president" ticket.

Obama also compromised his "new politics means I won't take cynical positions" earlier this Summer with a series of flip flops, including breaking his federal election funding pledge and other reversals that surprised the left winger progressives.

Obama's deeply negative dive into spouse attacks cements the fall of Obama from the pedestal of his "new politics" rhetoric this Spring.

Thus his perfect-worlder rhetoric has met reality, about 3 months after the end of primary season.

(5) FAILING TO DOMINATE IN THE MONEY GAME:

In the money game, it looks like Obama will be roughly even with McCain this Fall, when the Party coffers are factored in. This means that Obama's money advantage has evaporated and with the $300 Million he's got so far, he hasn't accomplished his mission of helping the electorate get comfortable with him.

(6) ONGOING SUBSTANCE DEFICIENCY AREAS:

Although Obama is shored up the area of his foreign policy ignorance, he's still got a bad, embarrassing energy policy and a Jimmy Carter-esque, high-tax, redistribution of wealth vulnerability when it comes to the economy. If problems continue to unfold in energy prices and the economy, Obama's deficiencies will continue to be a challenge and he might be pinned down in damage control mode for the rest of the year.

(7) MCCAIN'S VP PICK:

The worst thing that could have happened for McCain was for Obama to overcome his grievance mentality and pick Clinton as VP. Since Obama didn't, it's all downhill for McCain now.

From a political perspective, McCain can pick a swing stater and help himself there.

From a substance perspective, all McCain has to do is pick a brilliant businessman/economist and together with McCain's already-really-good energy/environmental platform, his foreign policy competence and an economic VP, he can blow away on the basis of substance the Obama-Biden ticket.

From an identity politics perspective, McCain can pick an inspiring leadership woman or an African American thinker and undermine Obama's narrow base, crippling Obama demographically.

(7) SUMMARY

The defensive-scramble mode Obama is in right now is the consequence of nominating an underqualified and inexperienced candidate in a year where there is a whole set of unprecedented and historic global dislocations that would challenge any president. Obama's no longer in a position to drive the campaign dialog but is reacting to events. This is not unlike the kind of president he would be, trying to learn on the job as disasters unfold in this decade where globalization and its dislocations will force many changes on us. This could have been predicted and in fact was predicted by Clinton and her supporters.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 23, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I watched a comment by a McCain staff member that was truly amazing. Two days ago she said that Obama needed help in foreign affairs. Today she said that his choice for vp was confirmation of his being inadequate to be the President. I wonder what she said if he had picked some one with no experience in foreign affairs.

I would hate to have a job that required me to sound like a fool every time I spoke to the public like this one did.

Posted by: David Boylan | August 23, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama picking Joe Biden for his VP is great news for us Republican conservatives because it's now a sure bet that John McCain will get elected president in the general. Had he picked Hillary, we would have had a problem because she has broad support thruout the USA. Biden though brings nothing. Delaware is already a liberal Democrat state and will go that way again in November, and his Biden VP pick will pi** off the feminists even more now that they've been kicked under the bus. A lot of these will either stay home or vote for McCain in retaliation. Thank you Democrats. Hopefully President John McCain will do as great a job in office as President George W. Bush has done in his 8 years in office.

Posted by: madhatter | August 23, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

The problem McCaivman has with calling Biden a plagiarist is his own long record of playing fast and lose with other peoples' words and stories. Most recently his use of Wikipedia's words for a speech that was supposed to show how informed he was.
The problem McCaivman has with bringing out Biden's veiled criticism of Obama's experience will be his own VP's (Romney's) record of criticizing him. That's just the way of politics, and everyone knows it.
And when McCain chooses Romney, his problem will be that nobody on his ticket will have any diplomatic chops. Oh McCain can rant at the Russians like a champ, but can he actually talk with them? He *might* know something about running a war (hasn't won any that I know of) but can he AVOID one?

Posted by: Jerry S. | August 23, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Barry slammed HRC for voting for the Iraq War. Biden also voted the same way. During the primaries, Biden stated numerous times that Barry was not qualified for the POTUS and praised McCain. Brilliant pick for an inexperienced empty suit. Does he have any judgment at all?

Posted by: Jack Straw | August 23, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe you linked up to Ron Fournier's "analysis". The article he wrote was garbage, which I've critiqued on my own blog, and shows the reason the Washington Post and other AP subscribers are losing readers.

Posted by: Irishspacemonk | August 23, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

If you are going to deal with what happened in someone's life 20 years ago, why not not talk about the Keating 5 scandel?? Why does the media give John McCain this free ride???

Posted by: susan | August 23, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

renato/U.S.M.C.R

"the world doesn't like America"

What are you talking about? America is "the world." We have every nationality and we support people's rights. If you want to do something like say transport your chickens you don't have to go down to the Chief of Police and ask them for permission. If you want to say something about the government they don't shoot you.

America is the single most attractive place to move to. This is not because we are stuck-up or Nationalistic but because we are accepting as a people.

As for our national interests I guess we should just wint away and bow to the world. We should ask them what president to vote for. We should do all this because their government is far superior to ours. We should vote for their favorite candidate and we should hope to be kissy kissy.

Everything will be fixed with hugs and kisses. Lets please Europe.

Posted by: michelle | August 23, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

The democrats are having a sale: TWO POMPOUS GAS-BAGS FOR THE PRICE OF ONE! Forget the tire gauge - the dems have new energy plan: wind-power through endless hot air.

Here's the stuff the loony-left liberal media WILL NOT TELL YOU:

Biden and hussein share many characteristics. For example, they are both so lacking in honesty and ethics they blatantly plagiarize the words of others.

The many, many plagiarized speeches of Biden have been well documented. While at Syracuse Law School, Biden plagiarized a law review article in a class paper he wrote. He has not only plagiarized Americans, but British politicians as well, such as Neil Kinnock, then-leader of the British Labour Party. He's a true international plagiarizer. (This is what the liberal media mean when they say biden has "international experience".)

In his mediocre law school, Biden was only able to graduate 76th in a class of 85 - i.e., he was in the lowest 10.5%! Of course, while campaigning, he claimed falsely to have graduated in the "top half" of his class. A plagiarizer and a LIAR!

hussein is so mentally deficient from extensive drug use he even has to plagiarize his hollow platitudes. (His mental deficiencies appear to rival those of Biden.) His many plagiarized speeches have also been documented, including his theft of words from a speech by Deval Patrick, from Robin WIlliams' movie "Man of the Year", and others. Like Biden, hussein also has been caught in many, many lies.

Yep, the character of these two is as pathetic as it gets - they deserve one another. America deserves neither.

Posted by: ALEX H. | August 23, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Define "Super liberal", and exactly WHAT is wrong with that?

Posted by: Haniel | August 23, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Considering the McShame campaign's comment regarding Obama's choice of Biden, calling Joe out for saying Barack lacks the experience to serve as President, won't it be rich if McShame chooses Romney as his Veep having called him a PIG during the primary race???

Posted by: Lefty in NH | August 23, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

"liberal" don't just call hi this; he is a "super liberal."

Posted by: Rob D. | August 23, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

..in this is why THE WORLD do not like, agree or care for Americans..WE CAN NOT GET ALONG..GET IT TOGETHER OR REASON IT TOGETHER...to bad!!!!

Posted by: renato/U.S.M.C.R | August 23, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

No more oil, No more middle classes, bye bye foreign policy.

Winging it, kind of like writing a script and adopting. There is no history behind the man that lets us know he is ready for Presidency.

THis Democrat is voting for McCain--at least I know he will cross the aisle if he needs to get something done. Obama is going to slowly show his true colors--he will blindly listen to a few and isolate himself as a out of touch liberal. \

Hey, you can not fix things by breaking them.

Posted by: michelle | August 23, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Lucy--

Who's rude?

Posted by: Mr. G | August 23, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

What a let down to a 'ran too long' performance by Obama. Where does this leave his 'change campaign' and his 'get rid of the same old Washington' government. Half of his campaigning against McCain has been that it will be the 'same', and now he picks Biden! Biden is deeply intrenched in the same old Washington ways, and has years of his own personal agenda to look out for. So much for 'change'. I am so disappointed in this choice.

Posted by: sanbar216 | August 23, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you on several aspects Chris.Obama has just thrown his idealist mask away to become practical-to avoid using the term opportunistic.He see his poll numbers tumbling especially after the Georgea incident when people started doubting his capabilities as a statesman.He needed some one with experience and foreign policy credentials even if that person voted for Iraq war and has been a washington insider for more years than even McCain(2 arguments he used to attack Hillary in the primary). As many people pointed out Putin helped Biden here!Wise move I would say given he needed it but how would this play with Clinton supporters who probably would have felt better if had really chosen a washington outsider.On top of that the fact that Clinton was never even considered or contacted for opinion sure shows that Obama is not really the idealist politician but just a "typical"politician (better packaged for sure)who can stoop low when required.

Posted by: sks | August 23, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Excellent!!! Go Obama/Biden. Time to take back America!
Bush/Cheney/McCane!!! No More Years!

Posted by: thebob.bob | August 23, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I’m a Democrat (and Hillary supporter), but I really don’t like Obama and I was not looking forward to having to vote for him in November. However, now I feel very differently. I still don’t like Obama, I still don’t trust him, and I still don’t think he’s ready to be president. But now I’ll gladly vote for him with Joe Biden as his running mate. Biden IS ready to be President and knows how to get things done (I’m not sure Obama has even figured out where the bathrooms are in the capitol building yet). My only regret come November is that the names aren’t reversed. It really should be BIDEN/OBAMA !

Posted by: js | August 23, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

The DNC convention in Denver will be a hoot. Obama's campaign is falling apart faster by the minute...

Posted by: Fred P. | August 23, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Biden is not an ex-POW.

Did you know McCain is an ex-POW?

The only reason he wouldn't say how many homes they own is to not hurt the feelings of those of us making less than $5 million a year.

Posted by: ericmiami | August 23, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Biden is a great choice for many reasons that others here are doing a good job of pointing out.

A comment on the "plagiarism issue." The worst thing that demonstrates about Biden is not a "character flaw" but sloppy staff work. We are no longer in the days of Abraham Lincoln laboring over his Gettysburg Address or Woodrow Wilson hunting-and-pecking on the White House typewriter to put together the go-to-war speech to Congress of 1917. Politicians' speeches today are written for them by their staffs and then (ideally) checked by the orator to make it fit his/her "voice." (Go to the National Archives to see how FDR improved the draft of the Day of Infamy speech prepared for him.)

American politicians are generally too busy to check to see whether some lazy (or writer's-blocked) staffer has lifted phrases from a speech once delivered by some British politician. It must happen lots of times without being detected. That is almost surely what happened to Joe Biden. Instead of beating up on his character, give him credit for having taken public responsibility for the words that were nominally his and not shifting the blame to where it really belonged, onto some anonymous ghostwriter who let him down.

Posted by: jm917 | August 23, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Biden can connect with middle/working-class voters in a way that Obama never has and never will. That's his biggest asset.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: matt | August 23, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

So now the rude Obamaians cannot post comments negative about McCain's age because really there is little difference between MCCain and Biden's ages.

Also it seems that Biden will now move into the White House with the Obamas as Obamas will have to take the Lincoln Bedroom because Biden will have to answer that 3 a.m. call in the presidential bedroom as Obama is not capable of doing so. Heard Michelle threw a fit when Barack suggested the Bidens sleep in the same bedroom as the Obamas so the call could be answered by Biden.

Posted by: Lucy | August 23, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Excellent work on picking Joe Biden. For a few weeks there I thought it was over for Mr.Obama. Now I think America can take deep sigh of relief as its best days are now ahead. The World can too!!

Posted by: Nick, MI | August 23, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Wow! Very very disappointed for the choice of senator Mr. Biden. He is one of the hawks of the Democratic Party and the most dangerous in the international stage. He is the equivalent of Cheney but more hypocrites. Mr. Obama serves as the same old salad and with the choice of Biden it is crystal clear now. Plus things changes plus look the same " plus les choses changent, plus c'est pareil". What changes are those when the hawk Biden is there?

Very disappointed, sorry.
Marius

Posted by: Marius | August 23, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Here's to Joe Biden! It's been at least four score and seven years ago since we've had such a fine selection. While this is a day that will live in infamy, I warn voters to keep an open mind. This guy clearly believes that voters shouldn't be asking so much about what their country can do for them; they really should be thinking about what they could be doing for their country. No, this Senator has been to the mountaintop and he's looked over. He's a give me liberty or give me death kind of guy. So let's line up behind Obama and win one for the gipper.


o

Posted by: DBC | August 23, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Joe Biden is an angry Liberal who speaks from his vicious mouth, not use any part of his brain( retarded). It is stupid and silly that Obama sends this stupid E mail 3 AM tells everyone how insecure he is. This is an insult to all Hillary supporters like me. He not only not considered Hillary, but also announced his stupid choice of JOE THE SIX PACK OF BEER BIDEN at 3AM.
Very poor judgement.

I and all my friends who are Hillary supporters are going to McCain all the way.

Obama will lose this election worse than Dukakis.

God Bless America and keep this idiot Obama out.

Posted by: reddy | August 23, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

When McCain wins by four votes, Republicans and the Advance Committee of Clinton '12 will have Bill, Hillary, Chelsea, and Bill to thank for their margin of victory.

Posted by: Scott | August 23, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Thrilled to have Biden as running mate, also happy it was not Hillary!

Posted by: judy g | August 23, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Plagiarism? How come Stephen Colbert was the only to point out that McCain's Georgia speech apparently has parts of it lifted from Wikipedia, with only a word or two changed? God god -- a president who goes to Wikipedia for "facts?"

Posted by: Miller | August 23, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

THE BIDEN SELECTION: A GIFT TO THE GOP AND PUMA HILLARIANS?

• Questions of Policy and Personality Give Critics Pause


Joe Biden was the only candidate in the primaries who openly said Obama was not ready to be president. His statements already are being used against Obama in a devastating McCain TV ad.

His selection does little to assauge the anger of the PUMA Hillarians, especially considering the fact that Obama apparently did not give her serious consideration for VP.

Nor does the selection of a long-time Washington insider help to mollify the bruised feelings of the left-leaning Daily Kos/Move On types, who are likely to perceive the choice as another repudiation of Obama's "change" narrative.

Biden garnered few primary votes, a twice failed presidential candidate.

Biden's reputation as a gaffe machine was not diminished by his "successful dump" comment the other day. The words "clean and articulate," "That's a storybook, man!", "slight Indian accent," "slave state", and sections of a Neil Kinnock speech have entered the political lexicon under the definition of "gaffe machine."

Biden's history of plagiarism is not limited to the Kinnock speech. His biography shows that he avoided expulsion from law school over an earlier plagiarism incident.

Biden supported the Iraqi war, while Obama points to his own early opposition to the war as proof of his good judgment. Critics are likely to point out a contradiction there.

Biden, appearing on Fox News Channel, expressed support for the Bush administration's position that the legal concept of "posse comitatus," restricting the use of the armed services as a domestic police force, needed to be amended as part of the "war on terror." The administration's plan allowed for the president to seize and hold indefinitely persons accused of being "enemy combatants." (Biden did support the extension of habeas corpus rights to Guantanamo detainees, however.)

Biden is closely allied with the credit card industry, much of which is based on Delaware, and has supported legislation which some advocacy groups have called unfriendly to consumers.

And some of those who have experienced Biden up close report that he can be vindictive to those he perceives as having wronged him -- a Nixonian trait that could be regarded as disturbing in someone a heartbeat away from the power of the presidency.

In coming days, look for some these arguments to be raised not only by the McCain camp, but by disaffected members of what used to be Obama's base of support.

BOTTOM LINE: Biden's selection, generally greeted as a positive for Obama by the mainstream media, could actually solidify the opposition to his nomination and help forces loyal to Hillary Clinton prevent him from becoming the nominee.

Perhaps Biden will attempt to defuse these objections by addressing them head-on, before reporters start making inquiries on the campaign trail.

Posted by: scrivener | August 23, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Bearman | August 23, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Ron Fournier is a GOP shill with links to the McCain campaign, not a journalist.

Let's retire the bizarre notion that Obama is "unaccomplished" or "inexperienced." Senator and state senator, professor of constitutional law, brightest guy at Harvard, bestselling writer, inspiring to millions. Plus he did it all on his own, not financed by McWife. How many senators are this accomplished? Bush's accomplishment was starting a disastrous war; McCain's was aiding and abetting him.

Stick to the issues, Republicans. Oh, wait, your policies suck.

Posted by: JT | August 23, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Obama picked Joe 'Stanley' Biden because he is brash and outspoken like his grandfather that raised him. He found a comfort zone of having the old man at his back just as it has been all his life.

The timing of the announcement was insulting. Being sent by text was expected since we live in a digital world. BUT to make it at a few minutes after midnight? Childish...another Britney moment going for coffee or a haircut in the middle of the night to get media attention. We must accept the majority of his supporters still believe in Santa Claus and had to wait till 'after midnight' to get their 'gift'.

His doubts about his choice are evident. He felt he had to sneak him in the backdoor after dark. Obama not only lacks judgment and experience he is extremely immature.

A couple of days ago you asked for comments of why Hillary should be named VP. What kind of response did you expect? Anyone with sense knew it would not be her. Obama would cut his nose off to spite his face.

It would have never been Hillary. She reminds him too much of his mother. An independent woman willing to stand up for what she believes in and to fight for a cause greater than her. He did not like that of his mother. He felt burdened by her choice to give birth to him. His stance on abortion rings with his personal feelings. As he said in a speech ‘why burden the child with its parents mistake’.
Do you really think Biden can justify Obama’s stance on abortion to the Catholics? Give me a break.

The rock group “Howard and the Super-emes” should be congratulated on handing the election to McCain. Maybe as an encore they can make him wait till after midnight to open his election results!

Disgusted American….DNC=DoNotCall me again. McCain 08


Posted by: Linda | August 23, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

DENVER (AP) - The candidate of change went with the status quo.

In picking Sen. Joe Biden to be his running mate, Barack Obama sought to shore up his weakness - inexperience in office and on foreign policy - rather than underscore his strength as a new-generation candidate defying political conventions.

He picked a 35-year veteran of the Senate - the ultimate insider - rather than a candidate from outside Washington, such as Govs. Tim Kaine of Virginia or Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas; or from outside his party, such as Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska; or from outside the mostly white male club of vice presidential candidates. Hillary Rodham Clinton didn't even make his short list.

The picks say something profound about Obama: For all his self-confidence, the 47-year-old Illinois senator worried that he couldn't beat Republican John McCain without help from a seasoned politician willing to attack. The Biden selection is the next logistical step in an Obama campaign that has become more negative - a strategic decision that may be necessary but threatens to run counter to his image.

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Democratic strategists, fretting over polls that showed McCain erasing Obama's lead this summer, welcomed the move. They, too, worried that Obama needed a more conventional - read: tougher - approach to McCain.

"You've got to hand it to the candidate and the campaign. They have a great sense of timing and tone and appropriateness. Six months ago, people said he wasn't tough enough on Hillary Clinton - he was being too passive - but he got it right at the right time," said Democratic strategist Jim Jordan. "He'll get it right again."

Indeed, Obama has begun to aggressively counter McCain's criticism with negative television ads and sharp retorts from the campaign trail.

A senior Obama adviser, speaking on condition of anonymity, said his boss has expressed impatience with what he calls a "reverence" inside his campaign for his message of change and new politics. In other words, Obama is willing - even eager - to risk what got him this far if it gets him to the White House.

Biden brings a lot to the table. An expert on national security, the Delaware senator voted in 2002 to authorize military intervention in Iraq but has since become a vocal critic of the conflict. He won praise for a plan for peace in Iraq that would divide the country along ethnic lines.

Chief sponsor of a sweeping anti-crime bill that passed in 1994, Biden could help inoculate Obama from GOP criticism that he's soft on crime - a charge his campaign fears will drive a wedge between white voters and the first black candidate with a serious shot at the White House.

So the question is whether Biden's depth counters Obama's inexperience - or highlights it?

After all, Biden is anything but a change agent, having been in office longer than half of all Americans have been alive. Longer than McCain.

And he talks too much.

On the same day he announced his second bid for the presidency, Biden found himself explaining why he had described Obama as "clean."

And there's the 2007 ABC interview in which Biden said he would stand by an earlier statement that Obama was not ready to serve as president.

It seems Obama is worried that some voters are starting to agree.

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EDITOR'S NOTE: Ron Fournier has covered national politics for The Associated Press for nearly 20 years.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Romney is a fraud.

Posted by: Sandy | August 23, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

McCain doesnt know how many homes he lives in.

Posted by: mippy123 | August 23, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Biden's choice will be popular with independent voters and some republicans. Biden will destroy the republican VP candidate in a debate. It's a winning combo. I'm looking forward to what's next!

Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: Sunshine | August 23, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

It is a sad commentary on human nature that what people immediately begin to focus on are the negatives of Obama's choice (as they will with McInsane's choice as well). That said, there is NOBODY that doesn't have at least SOME negatives.

I think Biden was the best choice for Obama for many of the reasons stated below. Biden is a pit bull and will really get after it on the campaign trail and on the talking head shows. He will not allow erroneous claims to go unchallenged.

I also think the talk of Biden being a loose cannon and not knowing when to close his mouth are overblown. Think about it; when has the Senator ever needed to be cautious about what he says? He has a VERY safe Senate seat in a VERY Democratic state and has a long history of serving his constiuents. In that case, I think its great that he has pushed the envelop of acceptibility with what he says about various issues. Far too many politicians are forced to "play it safe" in everything they do.

McInsane has nowhere to run now. Romney will pale in comparison to Biden on the national stage. And if McInsane wants to bring up the character issue vis a vis Bidens plagurism, then Obama/Biden have a LOT of material to work with in McInsane OR Romney. Will those ultra-conservative Evangelicals be so enthused to come out for McInsane if the Obama camp's hand is forced into making McInsane's reckless womanizing and cheating a central issue? Will they be so enthused when Obama highlights all of Romney's "moral flip flops" over the last several years?

It will be interesting to watch....

Obama/Biden '08!
We're Fired Up!

PG

Posted by: PeixeGato | August 23, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Biden will help Obama in southeastern Ohio where he can vouch that Obama is a clean black and can be trusted.

Posted by: bhoomes | August 23, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Starting at 5:50 of the youtube clip below is an interesting exchange in which Obama went out of his way to stand up for Biden on his alleged racial gaffes. This shows that Obama has a long standing regard for Joe. This is a great pick!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6bfgUuTwfo

Posted by: Ravi | August 23, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

plagiarism, my aunt fanny.

Glad to see Chris providing the Republican talking points, have they sent them to you already, or do you provide them for the Repub's?

Posted by: Luke | August 23, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

If the McCain team wants to bring up 20 year old mistakes to call into question Biden's character and judgment, one wonders if the words Keating Five will begin to fly around McCain's head. Hmmm, poor judgment, but from a much younger senator who has since matured.

Posted by: Hannahrama | August 23, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Biden is a good pick for the best reason. His experience in washington as a senator for 40 years, will allow him to assist Obama in getting painful projects through the legislative process. Even if there are more democrats in house and senate, the medicine needed to fix economic and social ills will need a shepherd and maybe even a deciding vote.
Bidenveep

Posted by: Justin | August 23, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Once again this proves Barack Obama is very smart, intuitive and secure in his path. Picking Senator Biden was a brilliant move. This team is the Yin-Yang move. Perfect balance and they don't occupy the same space.
I have no problems with Senator Biden's tendency to be outspoken. Barack Obama tends to be more cerebral and now the Democrat party has a POWERFUL ticket. No matter who the Republicans select for their VP nominee...it won't help the fact that John McCain is senile and a war-monger.

Posted by: TJ in LA | August 23, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

There are several reasons why this seems to be a smart decision by Obama.

It looks like McCain will select Romney because Romney’s father was a popular governor of Michigan, and McCain wants very desperately to steal Michigan away from the Democrats this time. McCain also is well-liked among independents in Michigan, which helped him trounce Bush in the 2000 Republican primary there (Romney defeated McCain in the 2008 Michigan primary).

I think the general election will be decided by three “rust belt” states: Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania. Unless McCain can simply win all of the Bush red states (Iowa, New Hampshire and New Mexico are doubtful...as are Virginia and Nevada), then the candidate who carries at least two of the three key rust belt states (MI, OH, PA) will win the election.

In addition, since 1972, the candidate who has won the majority of Catholics has won the election. Even Bush narrowly carried Catholics over Kerry, the Catholic candidate. What, then, would be the impact if the Republicans select a Mormon VP while the Democratic VP candidate is a Catholic? Biden’s working class roots, and the fact that he remains the least wealthy member of the Senate, could make him much more appealing to most Catholics than Kerry ever was (Kerry’s patrician air and his marriage to Teresa Heinz didn’t help). I like the idea of a debate between “Regular Joe” Biden and the "privileged, elitist" Mitt Romney.

Despite his frequent verbosity and pomposity, Biden brings many positive attributes to the ticket. His biography and authenticity can help the Democrats reach out to working class Catholics and other non-college swing voters. He also is the Democratic Party’s most authoritative voice on Iraq and foreign policy overall. Biden has served in the Senate with McCain for many years and knows him as well as anyone. He can be devastatingly effective in criticizing McCain, as he has done so this year, but he does it with a smile and does not come across as mean. In addition, while Biden is hugely popular within the Labor movement (another boost with working class voters), his record is more “mainstream” or even moderate than stereotypically East Coast Liberal, and he certainly is not the favorite of the left-wing activists. For example, he is considered “tough on crime,” etc.

It’s risky for a number of reasons, but Biden could turn out to have been a very smart choice for Obama.

Posted by: harlemboy | August 23, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

McCain needs to counter with Romney. Biden is no lightweight (like Obama) and McCain needs to fill his huge gaping hole: no economic creds. Obama just filled his huge gaping hole: No experience.

Posted by: Nate in CO | August 23, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

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