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Analysis: Why the Home Debate Matters

In politics, there is nothing worse than appearing out of touch.

From time immemorial, a candidate who is effectively portrayed as forgetting about the "little" people, of having "gone Washington," of living higher on the hog than voters, loses.

Class remains a powerful motivator for many voters in the country. Politicians are forever trying to cast their candidacies as closely rooted in the communities from which they sprung -- a purposeful attempt to ensure that voters know that the candidate "understands the problems of people like you." Put simply: The worst thing you can call a politician is an elitist.

And so, seen through that lens, it makes perfect sense why Democrats have picked up on John McCain's comment that he wasn't sure about how many houses he and his wife own -- comments made to Politico's Mike Allen and J-Mart -- and why Republicans have fought back so quickly and so hard.

Let's revisit the events of the last 24 hours.

The initial question, put to McCain during an interview in Las Cruces, N.M., seemed to catch the Arizona senator off guard. "I think -- I'll have my staff get to you," McCain said. "It's condominiums where -- I'll have them get to you." That's not exactly the sort of definitive language that politicians and their handlers like to use when dealing with the media.

Democrats, sensing an opportunity to show McCain as out of step with voters, quickly began blasting away.

"I guess if you think that being rich means you've got to make $5 million and if you don't know how many houses you have, then it's not surprising that you might think the economy was fundamentally strong," said Barack Obama during a rally this morning in Chester, Virginia. "But if you're like me, and you've got one house, or you are like the millions of people who are struggling right now to keep up with their mortgage so they don't lose their home, you might have a different perspective."

The Obama campaign quickly produced an ad noting that McCain actually owns seven homes worth $13 million; as an image of the White House is shown, a narrator intones: "Here's one house America can't afford to let John McCain move into."

The onslaught by the Obama campaign was greeted in kind by McCain.

"Does a guy who made more than $4 million last year, just got back from vacation on a private beach in Hawaii and bought his own million-dollar mansion with the help of a convicted felon really want to get into a debate about houses?" asked McCain spokesman Brian Rogers. "Does a guy who worries about the price of arugula and thinks regular people 'cling' to guns and religion in the face of economic hardship really want to have a debate about who's in touch with regular Americans?"

The McCain campaign also promised to put Obama's ties to Tony Rezko front and center in the race now, insisting that the Illinois senator's decision to attack on the home front (heyooo!) made a discussion of his ties to the convicted real estate developer fair game.

WOW.

Anytime you hear such heated rhetoric from the campaigns, you can assume that the issue being debated is one where both sides want/need badly to win.

And, a quick glance at recent political history shows why.

In 2004, Sen. John Kerry (Mass.) lost to George W. Bush for a number of reasons but one of the biggest was the fact that voters believed the Massachusetts senator was not like them. Thanks to a very effective Republican branding campaign (and with a major assist from Matt Drudge) the image many voters had of Kerry was of a windsurfing, Swiss boarding school-educated, swiss-cheese-on-cheesesteak-ordering elitist who could never understand the struggles that they and their families experienced on a daily basis.

But it's not just Democrats who have had the elitist card played on them. Think back to 1992 when then Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton cast himself as the everyman -- son of a single mother, grew up poor in the South, loved late-night McDonald's run -- while painting President George H.W. Bush as an ineffectual elitist who didn't know how to use a grocery scanner. (An Obama aide even made that comparison to The Atlantic's Marc Ambinder.)

In this campaign, it is Obama who has struggled to convince voters that he shares their hopes and worries. During the protracted primary fight, Obama regularly lost working class voters to Hillary Rodham Clinton -- even long after it became clear he was the odds-on nominee of the party.

Depending on which data points you look at, Obama continues to be plagued by a lack of connection with voters -- or not.

In the most recent NBC/Wall Street Journal, a national sample was asked whether McCain or Obama "has a background and set of values that you can identify with." Sixty percent said McCain had a background they identified with while 33 percent said he did not. The numbers were far more divided for Obama with 50 percent saying he had a background they could identify with and 42 percent saying he did not.

But, in a CBS/New York Times also released last night, 55 percent of voters said they could "relate" to Obama while just 41 percent said the same of McCain.

(Check out the latest "Behind the Numbers" post for more on the polling data behind the connection question.)

While the numbers show a public divided on which candidate they relate to better, even Obama partisans acknowledge that one of their main tasks between now and November is ensuring that voters learn more about their candidate's background so that they feel comfortable voting for him. Unlike McCain who has been in the national spotlight for more than two decades, Obama is something of a tabula rasa for voters.

For Obama then, McCain's house confusion is a double whammy. Not only does it allow them to paint the Arizona senator as out of touch with the concerns of voters but it also gives Obama a platform on which to tout himself as a champion of the working class.

One other interesting side note about the housing story: If Obama's campaign had planned to roll out their vice presidential pick at any point today, that announcement is likely to be put on hold. Why? The campaign believes the story about McCain's many houses is political gold and they won't want to step on it with a veep announcement that would immediately change the day's storyline.

By Chris Cillizza  |  August 21, 2008; 2:34 PM ET
Categories:  Eye on 2008  
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Posted by: ma725zda | August 25, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

c495t

Posted by: ma462zda | August 25, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Get your personal tour of John McCain's seven luxury homes at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qtBATTiT7Y

Posted by: J Michael | August 24, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

I think that if anyone really wants to make a difference in our government, they will check out A. Woodrow's well done site, http://www.democracyconservator.com/

Posted by: Melissa | August 23, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Which house does Vicki Iseman live in?

Posted by: Leslie Webb | August 23, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I guess this house problem must have really struck a republican nerve. The fact is, like most Americans, I own one home and don't need accountants or staf to tell me about it. This year my wife and I will concern ourselves with affording to heat our home as well as pay for it, while dealing with the needs of our son and school. Like Obama, we have earned our money and property so I keep track of them.
If my resorces were handed to me like some kind of gift, like the few hundred million the McCians lavish in, I guess I could afford to lose track of my unlimited wealth too.
Sorry republicans, the elitist title belongs to John W McCain!

Posted by: DwayneU | August 23, 2008 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Two of McCain's condo's are combined two units into one. Alot of people do this. Technically they are two units and they pay double dues to their condo association, taxes, etc... So if he had counted each of those as one he'd be branded a liar for not counting those as four. Another condo in San Diego/LaJolla is owned by Cindy and her elderly aunt lives there. Another one they bought for their daughter and it's for sale. How does he count those to the reporter in the spur of the moment? Alot of non-rich people help their kids get started in their first home or even buy a house for their kids during college. A lot of Americans own more than one or two homes.

Where does Obama stay when he's in Washington DC? Or has he ever been there?

How did Obama make $4million last year? He wrote a book to introduce himself as a presidential candidate. Neither he or his wife's family have struggled to develop a business, market a desireable product or service, fight to make payroll and scrape out a little profit to pay the mortgage for the family home. The Obamas are the most out of touch people to ever seek the White House.

Would people rather vote for a deadbeat who can't make their mortgage payment? Is this what we seek in our leaders?

McCain should have just said "I don't own any homes."

As for Cindy's company jet... she can afford alot more airplane. It's not that big, its the smallest mid size jet made in America (Cessna Citation Excel). She can't even fly from Phoenix to DC without a fuel stop. By contrast The Kerry's had a Gulfstream V which can fly between any two points in the world.

Posted by: wazzy | August 23, 2008 5:31 AM | Report abuse

I think the American Dream now is to reside in an Organized Community.

Posted by: rasheri | August 23, 2008 2:40 AM | Report abuse

Please, forgive brevity of this reply folks, it’s late.

1) All wealthy people need financial advisers and accountants to manage their money.

2) Even with accountants and financial advisers, THE RICH STILL NEED A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE TO MAINTAIN THEIR WEALTH; or else they will end up like MC Hammer, a lot of bankrupted athletes, and most bankrupted lotto winners.

3) Rezko Deal makes Sen. Obama a crook, not a financial genius or an earner.
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JOhn C. the worst post on here sorry


You write

"If Americans want to be wealthy, we need honest and wealthy people like Sen. McCain and his wife as role models and to inspire and teach us how to be wealthy."

The McCain's did not earn their wealth...ugh.

Obama did.

what "skills" made Mccain wealthy...I don't think , again that he has ever seen a tax form himself...or a mortgage payment...

and Cindy has probably only seen one when the lawyers and accoutants have been around her.

You are right we should not discount wealth...but earned wealth.

We also should not avoid discounting someone who has NEVERhad to worry about fiscal anything in almost their entire life to make decision about how our economy is effecting real people and being able to understand how hard those challenges are...

John mcCain absolutely does not.

Look at his life...how could he.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 2:05 PM

Posted by: John C. | August 23, 2008 2:22 AM | Report abuse

"That's a joke, right? I doubt this country has ever had a presidential candidate who wasn't in the 99th percentile wealthwise. If a candidate can be shown to have contempt for other classes (which I assume is what you're really getting at), that will hurt. But all presidential candidates - and pretty much every other candidate for federal office - come from the same "class"."

It's all about perception. Bush's mangling of the English language HELPED him, not hurt him. Think Fred Thompson. Rented out a red pickup and carried chewin tobaccy. Bill Clinton had the sense to hide the fact that he was incredibly smart. Gore and Kerry made the mistake of thinking people want smart leaders.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 23, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

The Democratic Party is extremely misguided - they are deceiving themselves into believing that they can make up for history by voting for Obama - what a joke.

The democrats want to nominate a black so badly - Jim Crow happened, slavery happened - voting for an underqualified cocaine snorting empty suit slimy fish Obama is not going to help race relations.

If ANYTHING, Obama's campaign tactics have HURT RACE RELATIONS IN THIS COUNTRY.

Obama is not even a descendent of slaves.

Obama is simply trading off the REAL SLAVE DESCENDENTS - Obama comes from a BLACK MUSLIM SOCIALIST FAMILY.


The Democratic Party is jumping and gushing at Obama who has no experience in running anything not even a dog catching department and no economic experience except for buying cocaine -


Can anyone please explain this CLEAR DELUSION?


The democrats have not noticed yet that Obama is a Black Muslim whose father was a Socialist and Obama is probably a great deal closer to being a Socialist himself than most people imagine.

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Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

I love all the silly widdle *weakling* Konservatives who can't take tough reponses from the opposition.

Wimps.

McCain is the Konservatives'
ideal candidate;
He is a kept man;Has questionable thinking faculties, spits on other troops' needs;Abandoned his first wife (as he has abandoned his love for America in pursuit of power);Lies on an HOURLY basis, and attracts vile and willfully-ignorant
people as supporters.

John McCain's supporters & fans share in The Scum.

They are *1 on the "Hate America" list, but they are too dishonest to admit it.

Posted by: nikto | August 22, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Question: WHAT HOLDS UP JOHN McCAIN'S PANTS?

Answer: HIS WIFE'S WALLET.

Posted by: nikto | August 22, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

The McCains famously like to vacation on their Sedona ranch -- in fact, the Arizonan senator is heading there this weekend for a few days away from the campaign trail. The 15-acre ranch where McCain hosted members of his press corps this year holds six separate houses, so does that count as one home or six?

In Phoenix, the McCains' primary residence is a nearly 7,000 square foot condominium worth about $4.66 million. The McCains purchased two condos in 2006 and knocked down some walls to create the massive space in a high-rise that features valet parking, a rooftop swimming pool, personal spa services and on-staff housekeepers, among other amenities.

Whenever John or Cindy want some sun, sand and surf, they simply need to jet off to either of their two beachfront condos in Coronado, CA, worth a combined $4.8 million, according to property records. Coronado, a small island near San Diego boasts the second best beach in the country.
The Cindy Hensley McCain Family Trust puts them up in an $847,000 condo in Arlington, where the couple has lived while in Washington since 1993.
A GQ profile of Meghan McCain, a $700,000 loft ,described the loft's interior as looking "like a spaceship furnished by West Elm." Wooden block letters arranged above McCain's kitchen cabinets spell the word indulge.
THIS BROTHER?:
Obama Brother Surfaces in Britain
Posted Jul 26, 08 10:53 AM CDT in Politics, World
(Newser) – Barack Obama’s Kenyan half-brother Bernard has emerged in England after a British tabloid tracked him down. Bernard Obama told the Sun he was “proud of my brother” and said he was sure Barack would win the White House. “He will be a breath of fresh air for the world,” said Bernard, 37, who was visiting his mother in the UK. Obama has eight half-siblings.

Bernard, who runs a car parts company in Nairobi, shares a father, Barack Sr., with the presidential hopeful. The elder Barack married Bernard’s mother Kezia in 1957 in Kenya; he was educated in Hawaii, where he had Obama with his second wife, Ann Dunham, and later returned to Kenya, where he became a leading government economist. “I was around 17 when I first met Barack,” said Bernard. “It was obvious from the way he spoke that he was going to be a success.”

Posted by: Katerina Deligiannis | August 22, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

sure is sad to think voting for a president has come down to knowing how many houses he owns , or doesnt own. Lets just stop the happy horse s%#@& and tell me what your going to do to make this country better !!!!!!!

Posted by: jimmy learn | August 22, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Has anybody done any serious reporting on McCain's finances? Is he still refusing to disclose his wife's tax records? Maybe he really doesn't know where all her money is invested. He doesn't seem like a details kind of guy: We're rich, that's all I need to know. Let's have a barbecue.

Posted by: BHavers | August 22, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

If Mccain should drop his cards during the debate he may not know why he is there.. Mccain has gotten so bad lately he reads things from the cards like the name of the city he is in. He was introduced by someone the other day and when he took the microphone he looked at his cards to thank the lady who had just introduced him. The man is losing his mind.

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It’s interesting that O has been holding back. He is still holding back, at least until the debates. Then it is all over. McCain will be exposed as the liar, flip-flopper, hot-head, etc. that he is. I could go on and on. McCain has so many weaknesses. O also has weaknesses, but nothing like McCain. I despise most all politicians and am speaking as an outside observer.

Posted by: greg | August 22, 2008 3:04 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

My friends, the DemocRATS have ratcheted up the class warfare as they do every election year. This time around they're whining about how many homes I own. My staff tells me that many of you are suffering from home foreclosures. So, here's my new economic plan: Cindy hereby offers to buy your house for a reasonable price. Her only requirement is that you and your spouse stay on as butlers.

Country first!

Posted by: Mac is Back! | August 22, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

anonymous

you obviously have never been in a room with Obama or McCain taking questions off the cuff...

if you went to both you would see who is better at the complexities, the follow ups the details...

hands down...

Obama.

Mccain doesn't do so well you get him away from the 30 sec sound bite.

Obama

This time lets pick the smarter guy...not the scary guy.

Posted by: dl | August 22, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Zogby was the guy who called it last election. Kerry wins! I think President Kerry, wait, he lost. Put all that aside and you have to wonder where are all the Democrats in cyberspace? They are the techno guys. A quick look at the numbers at http://www.bop-o-rama.com, the real-time, open poll shows Obama seems to be having trouble getting the bops out from his cyberspace base. He may be up in the Daily Gallup by 1%. Different story on the Bop-O-Meter.

Posted by: acarponzo | August 22, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

The democrats have so much white guilt -

they want to nominate a black so badly -


that they jumped at Obama who has no experience, no economic experience except buying cocaine -


AND the democrats have not noticed yet that Obama is a Black Muslim whose father was a Socialist and Obama is probably a great deal closer to being a Socialist himself than most people imagine.

.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

This was why Republicans are so uncomfortable with McCain. They can't defend him because they are not 100% with him. Deep down they really wish they chose someone else because the Wingnuts know this is not going to be their election year.

Here's some Latte Sipping Elitists...my friends:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjJGudkju0g&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/14/105528/983/199
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Posted by: ZappoDave | August 22, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Funny, Chris neglects Mccain's own financial problem--being a member of the Keating Five. If Obama & Co were sitting on the houses stuff, they're probably getting ready to hit on this and other McCain failings.

Posted by: Rich | August 22, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

It’s interesting that O has been holding back. He is still holding back, at least until the debates. Then it is all over. McCain will be exposed as the liar, flip-flopper, hot-head, etc. that he is. I could go on and on. McCain has so many weaknesses. O also has weaknesses, but nothing like McCain. I despise most all politicians and am speaking as an outside observer.

Posted by: greg | August 22, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

The Obama campaign may want to nominate TBD as their vice president at the convention if they can keep this story in the press. I still clearly remember Bush the First being amazed by the bar code scanner. And if McCain goes Tony Rezko, Obama counters with the Keating 5, that pretty lobbyist McCain had a thing for and all the lobbyists in his campaign. Both campaigns have nuclear weapons to lob if they want, but Obama has more of them.

Posted by: muD | August 22, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Agent Orange

meanwhile Biden is out hauling his own stumps to the dump himself...

I really really really want someone to go up to McCain with any bill financial form ...tax form...

application...

help wanted ad that the vets who don't have an education look for jobs in

and ask him to fill it out or try and see

if he even recognizes what they are.

I am not being sarcastic on the mortgage payment and loan applications...

I really do not think he has ever had to look at those...ever.

Never had to figure out how to accrue wealth through work...or stability ...or balance financially...

outside of leavign his wife for the younger attractive blonde or calling his dad to take care of things...

this is important for the guy who is in charge to understand what a bad economy means ...to people.

and Mccain doesn't he's never had to.

Posted by: dl | August 22, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

"I think McCain understands better than Obama that free markets create the highest standard of living for the most people, "

This is complete bullplop. Things don't work in such absolutist terms. You need some amount of regulation. Many of the economic issues facing the country are due to a LACK of oversight.

Yeah, you can push it too far. Regulations can become too draconian and stifling. But you can go too far the other way. The 100% free market might work if everyone can become world experts in everything. People can't. We have stuff to do. There needs to be some oversight to prevent wrongdoings.

These purist theories drive me nuts. They work BEAUTIFULLY in books, but have failed miserably every time they have been put into practice. A smart economist knows that you need some balance.

Unfortunately, Bush lovers are missing 75% of their gray matter and can't seem ti understand this bit of nuance.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 22, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Here's something most people with family budgets don't have to worry about, either:


"The McCains increased their budget for household employees from $184,000 in 2006 to $273,000 in 2007, according to John McCain’s tax returns."

http://nitpicker.blogspot.com/2008/08/who-says-john-mccain-is-out-of-touch.html
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That's right. The McCains pay $270,000 per year for butlers and maids--that's $50,000 more than the median value of an American home.

http://www.realestateabc.com/outlook/overall.htm
.

Ohhhh, Johnny! A quarter million on servants?!?!

Posted by: Agent Orange | August 22, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

JOhn C. the worst post on here sorry


You write

"If Americans want to be wealthy, we need honest and wealthy people like Sen. McCain and his wife as role models and to inspire and teach us how to be wealthy."

The McCain's did not earn their wealth...ugh.

Obama did.

what "skills" made Mccain wealthy...I don't think , again that he has ever seen a tax form himself...or a mortgage payment...

and Cindy has probably only seen one when the lawyers and accoutants have been around her.

You are right we should not discount wealth...but earned wealth.

We also should not avoid discounting someone who has NEVERhad to worry about fiscal anything in almost their entire life to make decision about how our economy is effecting real people and being able to understand how hard those challenges are...

John mcCain absolutely does not.

Look at his life...how could he.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Latte Sipping, Elitist John McCain:

"American's won't work jobs that only pay $50/hr"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpB9OoOU02M&eurl=http://www.jedreport.com/

Posted by: astral99 | August 22, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

IMAGINE

Grampy all snug for the next 4 years in one of his 7-10 houses...none of the WHITE

Posted by: mark | August 22, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

McCain and his fellow latte sipping elitist wealthy Republicans see the middle and lower class as their " worker ants" We are the pool that they take the income from to support their lavish life styles. The move our jobs out of the country. They give themselves huge tax breaks. Vote down any health plan that would cover all Americans. Want to control our private lives and own our bodies, strip us of our constitutional rights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP-0pedQeGw&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/22/0515/04723/10
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Posted by: McCain = Bush's third term | August 22, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

You said you think Mccain will keep us safe. Please read below and you may change your mind.

WASHINGTON — Senator John McCain arrived late at his Senate office on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, just after the first plane hit the World Trade Center. “This is war,” he murmured to his aides. The sound of scrambling fighter planes rattled the windows, sending a tremor of panic through the room.


Erik Jacobs for The New York Times
John McCain said he had consulted Henry A. Kissinger on foreign policy before and after the Sept. 11 attacks.

Within hours, Mr. McCain, the Vietnam War hero and famed straight talker of the 2000 Republican primary, had taken on a new role: the leading advocate of taking the American retaliation against Al Qaeda far beyond Afghanistan. In a marathon of television and radio appearances, Mr. McCain recited a short list of other countries said to support terrorism, invariably including Iraq, Iran and Syria.

“There is a system out there or network, and that network is going to have to be attacked,” Mr. McCain said the next morning on ABC News. “It isn’t just Afghanistan,” he added, on MSNBC. “I don’t think if you got bin Laden tomorrow that the threat has disappeared,” he said on CBS, pointing toward other countries in the Middle East.

Within a month he made clear his priority. “Very obviously Iraq is the first country,” he declared on CNN. By Jan. 2, Mr. McCain was on the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt in the Arabian Sea, yelling to a crowd of sailors and airmen: “Next up, Baghdad!”

Now, as Mr. McCain prepares to accept the Republican presidential nomination, his response to the attacks of Sept. 11 opens a window onto how he might approach the gravest responsibilities of a potential commander in chief. Like many, he immediately recalibrated his assessment of the unseen risks to America’s security. But he also began to suggest that he saw a new “opportunity” to deter other potential foes by punishing not only Al Qaeda but also Iraq.

“Just as Sept. 11 revolutionized our resolve to defeat our enemies, so has it brought into focus the opportunities we now have to secure and expand our freedom,” Mr. McCain told a NATO conference in Munich in early 2002, urging the Europeans to join what he portrayed as an all but certain assault on Saddam Hussein. “A better world is already emerging from the rubble.”

To his admirers, Mr. McCain’s tough response to Sept. 11 is at the heart of his appeal. They argue that he displayed the same decisiveness again last week in his swift calls to penalize Russia for its incursion into Georgia, in part by sending peacekeepers to police its border.

His critics charge that the emotion of Sept. 11 overwhelmed his former cool-eyed caution about deploying American troops without a clear national interest and a well-defined exit, turning him into a tool of the Bush administration in its push for a war to transform the region.

“He has the personality of a fighter pilot: when somebody stings you, you want to strike out,” said retired Gen. John H. Johns, a former friend and supporter of Mr. McCain who turned against him over the Iraq war. “Just like the American people, his reaction was: show me somebody to hit.”

Whether through ideology or instinct, though, Mr. McCain began making his case for invading Iraq to the public more than six months before the White House began to do the same. He drew on principles he learned growing up in a military family and on conclusions he formed as a prisoner in North Vietnam. He also returned to a conviction about “the common identity” of dangerous autocracies as far-flung as Serbia and North Korea that he had developed consulting with hawkish foreign policy thinkers to help sharpen the themes of his 2000 presidential campaign.

While pushing to take on Saddam Hussein, Mr. McCain also made arguments and statements that he may no longer wish to recall. He lauded the war planners he would later criticize, including Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and Vice President Dick Cheney. (Mr. McCain even volunteered that he would have given the same job to Mr. Cheney.) He urged support for the later-discredited Iraqi exile Ahmad Chalabi’s opposition group, the Iraqi National Congress, and echoed some of its suspect accusations in the national media. And he advanced misleading assertions not only about Mr. Hussein’s supposed weapons programs but also about his possible ties to international terrorists, Al Qaeda and the Sept. 11 attacks.

Five years after the invasion of Iraq, Mr. McCain’s supporters note that he became an early critic of the administration’s execution of the occupation, and they credit him with pushing the troop “surge” that helped bring stability. Mr. McCain, though, stands by his support for the war and expresses no regrets about his advocacy.

In written answers to questions, he blamed “Iraq’s opacity under Saddam” for any misleading remarks he made about the peril it posed.

The Sept. 11 attacks “demonstrated the grave threat posed by a hostile regime, possessing weapons of mass destruction, and with reported ties to terrorists,” Mr. McCain wrote in an e-mail message on Friday. Given Mr. Hussein’s history of pursuing illegal weapons and his avowed hostility to the United States, “his regime posed a threat we had to take seriously.” The attacks were still a reminder, Mr. McCain added, of the importance of international action “to prevent outlaw states — like Iran today — from developing weapons of mass destruction.”

Formative Years

Mr. McCain has been debating questions about the use of military force far longer than most. He grew up in a family that had sent a son to every American war since 1776, and international relations were a staple of the McCain family dinner table. Mr. McCain grew up listening to his father, Adm. John S. McCain Jr., deliver lectures on “The Four Ocean Navy and the Soviet Threat,” closing with a slide of an image he considered the ultimate factor in the balance of power: a soldier marching through a rice paddy with a rifle at his shoulder.

“To quote Sherman, war is all hell and we need to fight it out and get it over with and that is when the killing stops,” recalled Joe McCain, Senator McCain’s younger brother.

Vietnam, for Senator McCain, reinforced those lessons. He has often said he blamed the Johnson administration’s pause in bombing for prolonging the war, and he credited President Richard M. Nixon’s renewed attacks with securing his release from a North Vietnamese prison. He has made the principle that the exercise of military power sets the bargaining table for international relations a consistent theme of his career ever since, and in his 2002 memoir he wrote that one of his lifelong convictions was “the imperative that American power never retreat in response to an inferior adversary’s provocation.”


But Mr. McCain also took away from Vietnam a second, restraining lesson: the necessity for broad domestic support for any military action. For years he opposed a string of interventions — in Lebanon, Haiti, Somalia, and, for a time, the Balkans — on the grounds that the public would balk at the loss of life without clear national interests. “The Vietnam thing,” he recently said.

In the late 1990s, however, while he was beginning to consider his 2000 presidential race, he started rebalancing his view of the needs to project American strength and to sustain public support. The 1995 massacre of 5,000 unarmed Bosnian Muslims at Srebrenica under NATO’s watch struck at his conscience, he has said, and in addition to America’s strategic national interests — in that case, the future and credibility of NATO — Mr. McCain began to speak more expansively about America’s moral obligations as the only remaining superpower.

His aides say he later described the American air strikes in Bosnia in 1996 and in Kosovo in 1999 as a parable of political leadership: Mr. McCain, Senator Bob Dole and others had rallied Congressional support for the strikes despite widespread public opposition, then watched approval soar after the intervention helped to bring peace.

“Americans elect their leaders to make these kinds of judgments,” Mr. McCain said in the e-mail message.

It was during the Balkan wars that Mr. McCain and his advisers read a 1997 article on the Wall Street Journal editorial page by William Kristol and David Brooks of The Weekly Standard — both now Op-Ed page columnists at The New York Times — promoting the idea of “national greatness” conservatism, defined by a more activist agenda at home and a more muscular role in the world.

“I wouldn’t call it a ‘eureka’ moment, but there was a sense that this is where we are headed and this is what we are trying to articulate and they have already done a lot of the work,” said John Weaver, a former McCain political adviser. “And, quite frankly, from a crass political point of view, we were in the making-friends business. The Weekly Standard represented a part of the primary electorate that we could get.”

Soon Mr. McCain and his aides were consulting regularly with the circle of hawkish foreign policy thinkers sometimes referred to as neoconservatives — including Mr. Kristol, Robert Kagan and Randy Scheunemann, a former aide to Mr. Dole who became a McCain campaign adviser — to develop the senator’s foreign policy ideas and instincts into the broad themes of a presidential campaign. (In his e-mail message, Mr. McCain noted that he had also consulted with friends like Henry A. Kissinger, known for a narrower view of American interests.)

One result was a series of speeches in which Mr. McCain called for “rogue state rollback.” He argued that disparate regional troublemakers, including Iraq, North Korea and Serbia, bore a common stamp: they were all autocracies. And as such, he contended, they were more likely to export terrorism, spread dangerous weapons, or start ethnic conflicts. In an early outline of what would become his initial response to the Sept. 11 attacks, Mr. McCain argued that “swift and sure” retribution against any one of the rogue states was an essential deterrent to any of the others. But Mr. McCain’s advisers and aides say his “rogue state” speeches stopped short of the most sweeping international agenda put forth by Mr. Kristol, Mr. Kagan and their allies. Mr. McCain explicitly disavowed direct military action merely to advance American values, foreswearing any “global crusade” of interventions in favor of relying on covert and financial support for internal opposition groups.

As an example, he could point to his 1998 sponsorship of the Iraqi Liberation Act, which sought to direct nearly $100 million to Iraqis who hoped to overthrow Saddam Hussein. The bill, signed by President Bill Clinton, also endorsed the ouster of Mr. Hussein.

Mr. McCain said then that he doubted the United States could muster the political will to use ground troops to remove the Iraqi dictator any time soon. “It was much easier when Saddam Hussein was occupying Kuwait and threatening Saudi Arabia,” the senator told Fox News in November 1998. “We’d have to convince the American people that it’s worth again the sacrifice of American lives, because that would also be part of the price.”

Hard Calls

Mr. McCain spent the afternoon of Sept. 11 in a young aide’s studio apartment near the Capitol. There was no cable television, nothing but water in the kitchen, and the hallway reminded him of an old boxing gym. Evacuated from his office but stranded by traffic, he could not resist imagining himself at the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue. “There are not enough Secret Service agents in the world to keep me away from Washington and New York at a time like this,” Mr. McCain told an adviser.


Over the next days and weeks, however, Mr. McCain became almost as visible as he would have been as president. Broadcasters rushed to him as a patriotic icon and reassuring voice, and for weeks he was ubiquitous on the morning news programs, Sunday talk shows, cable news networks, and even late-night comedy shows.

In the spotlight, he pushed rogue state rollback one step further, arguing that the United States should go on the offensive as a warning to any other country that might condone such an attack. “These networks are well-embedded in some of these countries,” Mr. McCain said on Sept. 12, listing Iraq, Iran and Syria as potential targets of United States pressure. “We’re going to have to prove to them that we are very serious, and the price that they will pay will not only be for punishment but also deterrence.”

Although he had campaigned for President Bush during the 2000 general election, he was still largely frozen out of the White House because of animosities left over from the Republican primary. But after Mr. Bush declared he would hold responsible any country condoning terrorism, Mr. McCain called his leadership “magnificent” and his national security team the strongest “that has ever been assembled.” A few weeks later, Larry King of CNN asked whether he would have named Mr. Rumsfeld and Colin L. Powell to a McCain cabinet. “Oh, yes, and Cheney,” Mr. McCain answered, saying he, too, would have offered Mr. Cheney the vice presidency.

Even during the heat of the war in Afghanistan, Mr. McCain kept an eye on Iraq. To Jay Leno in mid-September, Mr. McCain said he believed “some other countries” had assisted Osama bin Laden, going on to suggest Iraq, Syria and Iran as potential suspects. In October 2001, when an Op-Ed page column in The New York Times speculated that Iraq, Russia or some other country might bear responsibility for that month’s anthrax mailings, Mr. McCain interrupted a question about Afghanistan from David Letterman on that night’s “Late Show.” “The second phase is Iraq,” Mr. McCain said, adding, “Some of this anthrax may — and I emphasize may — have come from Iraq.” (The Federal Bureau of Investigation says it came from a federal government laboratory in Maryland.) By October, United States and foreign intelligence agencies had said publicly that they doubted any cooperation between Mr. Hussein and Al Qaeda, noting Al Qaeda’s opposition to such secular nationalists. American intelligence officials soon declared that Mr. Hussein had not supported international terrorism for nearly a decade.

But when the Czech government said that before the attacks, one of the 9/11 hijackers had met in Prague with an Iraqi intelligence official, Mr. McCain seized the report as something close to a smoking gun. “The evidence is very clear,” he said three days later, in an Oct. 29 television interview. (Intelligence agencies quickly cast doubt on the meeting.)

Frustrated by the dearth of American intelligence about Iraq, Mr. McCain’s aides say, he had long sought to learn as much as he could from Iraqi opposition figures in exile, including Mr. Chalabi of the Iraqi National Congress. Over the years, Mr. McCain often urged support for the group, saying it had “significant support, in my view, inside Iraq.”

After Sept. 11, Mr. Chalabi’s group said an Iraqi emissary had once met with Osama bin Laden, and brought forward two Iraqi defectors who described terrorist training camps and biological weapons efforts. At times, Mr. McCain seemed to echo their accusations, citing the “two defectors” in a television interview and attesting to “credible reports of involvement between Iraqi administration officials, Iraqi officials and the terrorists.”

Growing Impatient

But United States intelligence officials had doubts about Mr. Chalabi at the time and have since discredited his group. In 2006, Mr. McCain acknowledged to The New Republic that he had been “too enamored with the I.N.C.” In his e-mail message, though, he said he never relied on the group for information about Iraq’s weapons program.

At a European security conference in February 2002, when the Bush administration still publicly maintained that it had made no decision about moving against Iraq, Mr. McCain described an invasion as all but certain. “A terrorist resides in Baghdad,” he said, adding, “A day of reckoning is approaching.”

Regime change in Iraq in addition to Afghanistan, he argued, would compel other sponsors of terrorism to mend their ways, “accomplishing by example what we would otherwise have to pursue through force of arms.”

Finally, as American troops massed in the Persian Gulf in early 2003, Mr. McCain grew impatient, his aides say, concerned that the White House was failing to act as the hot desert summer neared. Waiting, he warned in a speech in Washington, risked squandering the public and international support aroused by Sept. 11. “Does anyone really believe that the world’s will to contain Saddam won’t eventually collapse as utterly as it did in the 1990s?” Mr. McCain asked.

In retrospect, some of Mr. McCain’s critics now accuse him of looking for a pretext to justify the war. “McCain was hell-bent for leather: ‘Saddam Hussein is a bad guy, we have got to teach him, let’s send a message to the other people in the Middle East,’ ” said Senator John Kerry, Democrat of Massachusetts.

But Mr. McCain, in his e-mail message, said the reason he had supported the war was the evolving threat from Mr. Hussein.

“I believe voters elect their leaders based on their experience and judgment — their ability to make hard calls, for instance, on matters of war and peace,” he wrote. “It’s important to get them right.”

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What matters is how the particular elitist will lead America. I’m voting for McCain because I think he’s more likely to keep us safe and free than Obama, not because I care which has the most or nicest houses.
Posted by: TartanMarine | August 22, 2008 12:58 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

When McCain's lifestyle is held up against his policies, it serves to inform voters about his perspective and his poor judgment.


That McCain is divorced from the struggles of the American middle class has become patently obvious. In 2006, McCain made clear that he didn't think Americans would pick lettuce for $50 an hour (some $100,000 a year). In June of 2008, McCain couldn't remember the last time he actually had to pump gas, and he didn't answer the question as to what the price of gas was at the time. In the same month, while conceding that offshore drilling would not have an immediate effect on gas prices, McCain argued that drilling in such a manner would have a "psychological impact" that would be "beneficial." In other words, there would be no direct relief to the middle class, but it would make us feel as if "something"-albeit a meaningless "something"--was being done. I suppose if you don't have to pump your own gas, you can feel good about offshore drilling that doesn't lower the price of a gallon.


A month later, in July, we learned more about McCain's perspective when his friend and co-chair of his campaign, Phil Gramm, stated that America was a "nation of whiners" and that current economic woes reflected only a "mental recession." While McCain quickly distanced himself from the comments of his most trusted economic adviser, significantly, McCain did not withdraw or modify the economic plan that Gramm himself had crafted. In other words, while Gramm was quietly shoved to the sidelines of the campaign to ensure McCain's political survival, his economic plan, which reflects the view that America is a "nation of whiners," is still embraced wholeheartedly by John McCain.


And just what is that economic plan? Token tax cuts for those "whiners" while the wealthy receive true relief from the federal government.
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The Tax Policy Center, a joint project of the Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution, Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain are both proposing tax plans that would result in cuts for most American families. Obama's plan gives the biggest cuts to those who make the least, while McCain would give the largest cuts to the very wealthy.
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Why is McCain's "Housing Crisis" is so relevant?


Note that 60% of taxpayers would see less than a 1% cut in taxes under the McCain/Gramm plan.


If McCain's plan mirrored that of Barack Obama--in other words, if his economic philosophy reflected the notion that the government should aid those Americans who need it the most, not those who need help the least--then whether McCain remembers if he owns one house or one dozen houses would be a simple campaign gaffe rather than a major story.


However, where, as here, a candidate's economic worldview is so skewed in favor of the super-rich like McCain's is, of those 147,000 families which make of the top .1% of taxpayers, and when that candidate's economic policy provides no real relief to millions of American families struggling to make ends meet in one home, then a gaffe becomes an inadvertent confession of irrelevancy.

Posted by: smintheus | August 22, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

If McCain thinks that 5 million is the definition of rich than by his standards Obama is not a rich elitist and he (himself) is.

Posted by: JR | August 22, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

The fact is, spin aside, every candidate for president, perhaps since Lincoln, is elitist compared to an “average” American. I make a nice salary, am hardly poor, but I don’t move in the circles or have houses like Bush, Kerry, Obama or McCain.

What matters is how the particular elitist will lead America. I’m voting for McCain because I think he’s more likely to keep us safe and free than Obama, not because I care which has the most or nicest houses. (Though they are both welcome to stop by my two bedroom apartment for a beer.) Unfortunately, as Dr. Thomas Sowell points out in his excellent book, “Basic Economics,” politicians of both parties get votes by pushing economic policies that are popular, but hurt the poor and middle class, because most voters don’t understand economics. So the candidate wins this November on policies that make you jobless in six years, but hey, he won and you’ll never make the connection. I wish McCain & Obama would both read Sowell’s book, then have a debate on that, though I think McCain understands better than Obama that free markets create the highest standard of living for the most people, while increased government regulation and taxes drive down the economy.

Posted by: TartanMarine | August 22, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Amazing how a simple question like that befuddles McCain, when just a couple of nights ago he almost answered some very difficult questions before they were asked, as if he knew beforehand and rehearsed his answers to what he was going to be asked.

Posted by: JR | August 22, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

SEN. MCCAIN WEALTH IS A PRESIDENTIAL ASSET NOT A LIABILITY.

If Americans want to be wealthy, we need honest and wealthy people like Sen. McCain and his wife as role models and to inspire and teach us how to be wealthy.

Realise, using poor people to make us wealthy is like using Oprah Winfrey to make us healthy and skinny (She can't make us healthy and skinny because she does not have the ability to be skinny and healthy herself; furthermore, associating with her would cause her unhealthy habits to rub off on us. No wonder there are so many fat people in America.).

Point, if Americans want to be wealthy, we need to elect wealthy and honest people like Sen. McCain, not poor people. Poor people does not have the skills to make us wealthy.

Posted by: John C. | August 22, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who thinks being black and from Obamas means in Harvard has never been around that kind of situation. I am sure he was reminded of knowing his place on a daily basis.

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They are different srots of elites.
Obama was raised by a struggling mother nad working-class grandparents. He got into elite schools by brain power and ended up as editor of the Harvard Law Review. He married Michelle who was another striver and over-acheiver. they are both tall and slender.
McCain was the son and grandson of naval admirals. He got into USNA on the strength of his family and struggled though at the bottom of his class. He married a swim-suit model, and -- when she put on weight and age -- married another young, rich, girl who was an heiress.

Obama has accomplished more than the average voter can picture himself accomplishing; McCain has been given more privileges than the average voter could dream of being given.

Posted by: Frank Palmer | August 22, 2008 12:42 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

They are different srots of elites.
Obama was raised by a struggling mother nad working-class grandparents. He got into elite schools by brain power and ended up as editor of the Harvard Law Review. He married Michelle who was another striver and over-acheiver. they are both tall and slender.
McCain was the son and grandson of naval admirals. He got into USNA on the strength of his family and struggled though at the bottom of his class. He married a swim-suit model, and -- when she put on weight and age -- married another young, rich, girl who was an heiress.

Obama has accomplished more than the average voter can picture himself accomplishing; McCain has been given more privileges than the average voter could dream of being given.

Posted by: Frank Palmer | August 22, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

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Remember the old saying: "Before you're forty, you have the face you were born with. After forty, you have the face you deserve." Michele Obama is one hell of an angry looking person.

Posted by: Pixie | August 22, 2008 11:45 AM

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Gee Pixie - good to know you focus on the important things to decide how to vote. Really deep.

Posted by: Obamasthe1 | August 22, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

In response to:
Remember the old saying: "Before you're forty, you have the face you were born with. After forty, you have the face you deserve." Michele Obama is one hell of an angry looking person.

Posted by: Pixie | August 22, 2008 11:45 AM

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Gee Pixie - good to know you focus on the important things to decide how to vote. Really deep.

Posted by: Obamasthe1 | August 22, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm very glad to see Obama going after Senior Citizen McCain - don't let them push you around and jump on every little thing - joe six-pack don't know nuthin else!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

In response to: Now make your decision ...
The rest is just noise!

Posted by: ricardo maxwell | August 22, 2008 10:03 AM

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Hey Ricardo - after reading your diatribe, I have one suggestion: why don't you first, learn the facts and second, learn about theories on which things such as economic principle is based. Then you might try learning not to be such a blatant bigot and hate-monger.

Here are a couple of facts for you: -The tax breaks you claim McCain will use to keep our currently "healthy" economy going; currently oil companies like ExxonMobil are getting $13.5 billion in tax breaks. The legislation that would have closed these "loopholes" was defeated by one vote. -McCain's.

While claiming to be "the man" for vets and military troops, he's voted against virtually every bill to help our military with better equipment to fight the war, better equipment to train for the war, better pay, and better health care. The $13.5 billion would go a long way towards equipment for our troops currently serving, training our troops who are getting deployed, updating obsolete equipment being used by the National Guards to train what is now essentially an active-duty component, or helping pay for health care and other assistance for our wounded and disabled warriors and veterans from WWII, Korea, VietNam and the first Gulf War. All groups that Mr. McCain has consistently voted against helping. -And he's still opposed to closing those loopholes.

Excuse me, but my vet husband and I are VERY 'middle income.' We pay taxes, which Exxon doesn't-while posting the largest corporate income ever. -And just so you know, that income is AFTER they've shoved LOTS of money into their executives pockets, R&D, and every other nook and cranny they can find to 'pad' their overall economic health.

Again, before you flap - why don't you learn something about which you speak, or at least check your facts first. And lose the hate language. Or on second thought - keep it up. Perhaps it's reflective of the level of people who think McCain would be good for this country.

Posted by: Obamasthe1 | August 22, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

The only ones this issue matters to is the Obama supporters and the mainstream media.

Personally, I can't stand John McCain (because of his position on illegal immigration), but I will be voting for him in November. Why? Because it's a no-brainer. Obama really is just an "empty suit" with big ears.

Besides that, his wife looks very angry, reminiscent of Leona Helmsley and Teresa Heinz Kerry. No way will Americans accept a First Lady like that. Even the Obama campaign staff has realized this and is desperately trying to change her image. Won't work!

Remember the old saying: "Before you're forty, you have the face you were born with. After forty, you have the face you deserve." Michele Obama is one hell of an angry looking person.

Posted by: Pixie | August 22, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Obama is doing exactly what he needs to do:

Pound the hypocrite McCain loud and clear.

The Repubs are running the same dirty, slimey, lies campaign that they always do even though McCain said he wouldn't.

Obama has no choice but to fight fire with fire if he expects to win.

Any one who needs their social security must not vote for McCain. Baby Boomers better wake up. They should realize that the clock is ticking on when they will able to collect. They could very well be sending us all to the poor house with a vote for McCain. Wake up!!!!!

Posted by: DownriverDem | August 22, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

"Class remains a powerful motivator for many voters in the country"

That's a joke, right? I doubt this country has ever had a presidential candidate who wasn't in the 99th percentile wealthwise. If a candidate can be shown to have contempt for other classes (which I assume is what you're really getting at), that will hurt. But all presidential candidates - and pretty much every other candidate for federal office - come from the same "class".

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse


What might happen in a crisis with Mccain as president. An insight into the mind of a hawk.

WASHINGTON — Senator John McCain arrived late at his Senate office on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, just after the first plane hit the World Trade Center. “This is war,” he murmured to his aides. The sound of scrambling fighter planes rattled the windows, sending a tremor of panic through the room.


Erik Jacobs for The New York Times
John McCain said he had consulted Henry A. Kissinger on foreign policy before and after the Sept. 11 attacks.

Within hours, Mr. McCain, the Vietnam War hero and famed straight talker of the 2000 Republican primary, had taken on a new role: the leading advocate of taking the American retaliation against Al Qaeda far beyond Afghanistan. In a marathon of television and radio appearances, Mr. McCain recited a short list of other countries said to support terrorism, invariably including Iraq, Iran and Syria.

“There is a system out there or network, and that network is going to have to be attacked,” Mr. McCain said the next morning on ABC News. “It isn’t just Afghanistan,” he added, on MSNBC. “I don’t think if you got bin Laden tomorrow that the threat has disappeared,” he said on CBS, pointing toward other countries in the Middle East.

Within a month he made clear his priority. “Very obviously Iraq is the first country,” he declared on CNN. By Jan. 2, Mr. McCain was on the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt in the Arabian Sea, yelling to a crowd of sailors and airmen: “Next up, Baghdad!”

Now, as Mr. McCain prepares to accept the Republican presidential nomination, his response to the attacks of Sept. 11 opens a window onto how he might approach the gravest responsibilities of a potential commander in chief. Like many, he immediately recalibrated his assessment of the unseen risks to America’s security. But he also began to suggest that he saw a new “opportunity” to deter other potential foes by punishing not only Al Qaeda but also Iraq.

“Just as Sept. 11 revolutionized our resolve to defeat our enemies, so has it brought into focus the opportunities we now have to secure and expand our freedom,” Mr. McCain told a NATO conference in Munich in early 2002, urging the Europeans to join what he portrayed as an all but certain assault on Saddam Hussein. “A better world is already emerging from the rubble.”

To his admirers, Mr. McCain’s tough response to Sept. 11 is at the heart of his appeal. They argue that he displayed the same decisiveness again last week in his swift calls to penalize Russia for its incursion into Georgia, in part by sending peacekeepers to police its border.

His critics charge that the emotion of Sept. 11 overwhelmed his former cool-eyed caution about deploying American troops without a clear national interest and a well-defined exit, turning him into a tool of the Bush administration in its push for a war to transform the region.

“He has the personality of a fighter pilot: when somebody stings you, you want to strike out,” said retired Gen. John H. Johns, a former friend and supporter of Mr. McCain who turned against him over the Iraq war. “Just like the American people, his reaction was: show me somebody to hit.”

Whether through ideology or instinct, though, Mr. McCain began making his case for invading Iraq to the public more than six months before the White House began to do the same. He drew on principles he learned growing up in a military family and on conclusions he formed as a prisoner in North Vietnam. He also returned to a conviction about “the common identity” of dangerous autocracies as far-flung as Serbia and North Korea that he had developed consulting with hawkish foreign policy thinkers to help sharpen the themes of his 2000 presidential campaign.

While pushing to take on Saddam Hussein, Mr. McCain also made arguments and statements that he may no longer wish to recall. He lauded the war planners he would later criticize, including Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and Vice President Dick Cheney. (Mr. McCain even volunteered that he would have given the same job to Mr. Cheney.) He urged support for the later-discredited Iraqi exile Ahmad Chalabi’s opposition group, the Iraqi National Congress, and echoed some of its suspect accusations in the national media. And he advanced misleading assertions not only about Mr. Hussein’s supposed weapons programs but also about his possible ties to international terrorists, Al Qaeda and the Sept. 11 attacks.

Five years after the invasion of Iraq, Mr. McCain’s supporters note that he became an early critic of the administration’s execution of the occupation, and they credit him with pushing the troop “surge” that helped bring stability. Mr. McCain, though, stands by his support for the war and expresses no regrets about his advocacy.

In written answers to questions, he blamed “Iraq’s opacity under Saddam” for any misleading remarks he made about the peril it posed.

The Sept. 11 attacks “demonstrated the grave threat posed by a hostile regime, possessing weapons of mass destruction, and with reported ties to terrorists,” Mr. McCain wrote in an e-mail message on Friday. Given Mr. Hussein’s history of pursuing illegal weapons and his avowed hostility to the United States, “his regime posed a threat we had to take seriously.” The attacks were still a reminder, Mr. McCain added, of the importance of international action “to prevent outlaw states — like Iran today — from developing weapons of mass destruction.”

Formative Years

Mr. McCain has been debating questions about the use of military force far longer than most. He grew up in a family that had sent a son to every American war since 1776, and international relations were a staple of the McCain family dinner table. Mr. McCain grew up listening to his father, Adm. John S. McCain Jr., deliver lectures on “The Four Ocean Navy and the Soviet Threat,” closing with a slide of an image he considered the ultimate factor in the balance of power: a soldier marching through a rice paddy with a rifle at his shoulder.

“To quote Sherman, war is all hell and we need to fight it out and get it over with and that is when the killing stops,” recalled Joe McCain, Senator McCain’s younger brother.

Vietnam, for Senator McCain, reinforced those lessons. He has often said he blamed the Johnson administration’s pause in bombing for prolonging the war, and he credited President Richard M. Nixon’s renewed attacks with securing his release from a North Vietnamese prison. He has made the principle that the exercise of military power sets the bargaining table for international relations a consistent theme of his career ever since, and in his 2002 memoir he wrote that one of his lifelong convictions was “the imperative that American power never retreat in response to an inferior adversary’s provocation.”


But Mr. McCain also took away from Vietnam a second, restraining lesson: the necessity for broad domestic support for any military action. For years he opposed a string of interventions — in Lebanon, Haiti, Somalia, and, for a time, the Balkans — on the grounds that the public would balk at the loss of life without clear national interests. “The Vietnam thing,” he recently said.

In the late 1990s, however, while he was beginning to consider his 2000 presidential race, he started rebalancing his view of the needs to project American strength and to sustain public support. The 1995 massacre of 5,000 unarmed Bosnian Muslims at Srebrenica under NATO’s watch struck at his conscience, he has said, and in addition to America’s strategic national interests — in that case, the future and credibility of NATO — Mr. McCain began to speak more expansively about America’s moral obligations as the only remaining superpower.

His aides say he later described the American air strikes in Bosnia in 1996 and in Kosovo in 1999 as a parable of political leadership: Mr. McCain, Senator Bob Dole and others had rallied Congressional support for the strikes despite widespread public opposition, then watched approval soar after the intervention helped to bring peace.

“Americans elect their leaders to make these kinds of judgments,” Mr. McCain said in the e-mail message.

It was during the Balkan wars that Mr. McCain and his advisers read a 1997 article on the Wall Street Journal editorial page by William Kristol and David Brooks of The Weekly Standard — both now Op-Ed page columnists at The New York Times — promoting the idea of “national greatness” conservatism, defined by a more activist agenda at home and a more muscular role in the world.

“I wouldn’t call it a ‘eureka’ moment, but there was a sense that this is where we are headed and this is what we are trying to articulate and they have already done a lot of the work,” said John Weaver, a former McCain political adviser. “And, quite frankly, from a crass political point of view, we were in the making-friends business. The Weekly Standard represented a part of the primary electorate that we could get.”

Soon Mr. McCain and his aides were consulting regularly with the circle of hawkish foreign policy thinkers sometimes referred to as neoconservatives — including Mr. Kristol, Robert Kagan and Randy Scheunemann, a former aide to Mr. Dole who became a McCain campaign adviser — to develop the senator’s foreign policy ideas and instincts into the broad themes of a presidential campaign. (In his e-mail message, Mr. McCain noted that he had also consulted with friends like Henry A. Kissinger, known for a narrower view of American interests.)

One result was a series of speeches in which Mr. McCain called for “rogue state rollback.” He argued that disparate regional troublemakers, including Iraq, North Korea and Serbia, bore a common stamp: they were all autocracies. And as such, he contended, they were more likely to export terrorism, spread dangerous weapons, or start ethnic conflicts. In an early outline of what would become his initial response to the Sept. 11 attacks, Mr. McCain argued that “swift and sure” retribution against any one of the rogue states was an essential deterrent to any of the others. But Mr. McCain’s advisers and aides say his “rogue state” speeches stopped short of the most sweeping international agenda put forth by Mr. Kristol, Mr. Kagan and their allies. Mr. McCain explicitly disavowed direct military action merely to advance American values, foreswearing any “global crusade” of interventions in favor of relying on covert and financial support for internal opposition groups.

As an example, he could point to his 1998 sponsorship of the Iraqi Liberation Act, which sought to direct nearly $100 million to Iraqis who hoped to overthrow Saddam Hussein. The bill, signed by President Bill Clinton, also endorsed the ouster of Mr. Hussein.

Mr. McCain said then that he doubted the United States could muster the political will to use ground troops to remove the Iraqi dictator any time soon. “It was much easier when Saddam Hussein was occupying Kuwait and threatening Saudi Arabia,” the senator told Fox News in November 1998. “We’d have to convince the American people that it’s worth again the sacrifice of American lives, because that would also be part of the price.”

Hard Calls

Mr. McCain spent the afternoon of Sept. 11 in a young aide’s studio apartment near the Capitol. There was no cable television, nothing but water in the kitchen, and the hallway reminded him of an old boxing gym. Evacuated from his office but stranded by traffic, he could not resist imagining himself at the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue. “There are not enough Secret Service agents in the world to keep me away from Washington and New York at a time like this,” Mr. McCain told an adviser.


Over the next days and weeks, however, Mr. McCain became almost as visible as he would have been as president. Broadcasters rushed to him as a patriotic icon and reassuring voice, and for weeks he was ubiquitous on the morning news programs, Sunday talk shows, cable news networks, and even late-night comedy shows.

In the spotlight, he pushed rogue state rollback one step further, arguing that the United States should go on the offensive as a warning to any other country that might condone such an attack. “These networks are well-embedded in some of these countries,” Mr. McCain said on Sept. 12, listing Iraq, Iran and Syria as potential targets of United States pressure. “We’re going to have to prove to them that we are very serious, and the price that they will pay will not only be for punishment but also deterrence.”

Although he had campaigned for President Bush during the 2000 general election, he was still largely frozen out of the White House because of animosities left over from the Republican primary. But after Mr. Bush declared he would hold responsible any country condoning terrorism, Mr. McCain called his leadership “magnificent” and his national security team the strongest “that has ever been assembled.” A few weeks later, Larry King of CNN asked whether he would have named Mr. Rumsfeld and Colin L. Powell to a McCain cabinet. “Oh, yes, and Cheney,” Mr. McCain answered, saying he, too, would have offered Mr. Cheney the vice presidency.

Even during the heat of the war in Afghanistan, Mr. McCain kept an eye on Iraq. To Jay Leno in mid-September, Mr. McCain said he believed “some other countries” had assisted Osama bin Laden, going on to suggest Iraq, Syria and Iran as potential suspects. In October 2001, when an Op-Ed page column in The New York Times speculated that Iraq, Russia or some other country might bear responsibility for that month’s anthrax mailings, Mr. McCain interrupted a question about Afghanistan from David Letterman on that night’s “Late Show.” “The second phase is Iraq,” Mr. McCain said, adding, “Some of this anthrax may — and I emphasize may — have come from Iraq.” (The Federal Bureau of Investigation says it came from a federal government laboratory in Maryland.) By October, United States and foreign intelligence agencies had said publicly that they doubted any cooperation between Mr. Hussein and Al Qaeda, noting Al Qaeda’s opposition to such secular nationalists. American intelligence officials soon declared that Mr. Hussein had not supported international terrorism for nearly a decade.

But when the Czech government said that before the attacks, one of the 9/11 hijackers had met in Prague with an Iraqi intelligence official, Mr. McCain seized the report as something close to a smoking gun. “The evidence is very clear,” he said three days later, in an Oct. 29 television interview. (Intelligence agencies quickly cast doubt on the meeting.)

Frustrated by the dearth of American intelligence about Iraq, Mr. McCain’s aides say, he had long sought to learn as much as he could from Iraqi opposition figures in exile, including Mr. Chalabi of the Iraqi National Congress. Over the years, Mr. McCain often urged support for the group, saying it had “significant support, in my view, inside Iraq.”

After Sept. 11, Mr. Chalabi’s group said an Iraqi emissary had once met with Osama bin Laden, and brought forward two Iraqi defectors who described terrorist training camps and biological weapons efforts. At times, Mr. McCain seemed to echo their accusations, citing the “two defectors” in a television interview and attesting to “credible reports of involvement between Iraqi administration officials, Iraqi officials and the terrorists.”

Growing Impatient

But United States intelligence officials had doubts about Mr. Chalabi at the time and have since discredited his group. In 2006, Mr. McCain acknowledged to The New Republic that he had been “too enamored with the I.N.C.” In his e-mail message, though, he said he never relied on the group for information about Iraq’s weapons program.

At a European security conference in February 2002, when the Bush administration still publicly maintained that it had made no decision about moving against Iraq, Mr. McCain described an invasion as all but certain. “A terrorist resides in Baghdad,” he said, adding, “A day of reckoning is approaching.”

Regime change in Iraq in addition to Afghanistan, he argued, would compel other sponsors of terrorism to mend their ways, “accomplishing by example what we would otherwise have to pursue through force of arms.”

Finally, as American troops massed in the Persian Gulf in early 2003, Mr. McCain grew impatient, his aides say, concerned that the White House was failing to act as the hot desert summer neared. Waiting, he warned in a speech in Washington, risked squandering the public and international support aroused by Sept. 11. “Does anyone really believe that the world’s will to contain Saddam won’t eventually collapse as utterly as it did in the 1990s?” Mr. McCain asked.

In retrospect, some of Mr. McCain’s critics now accuse him of looking for a pretext to justify the war. “McCain was hell-bent for leather: ‘Saddam Hussein is a bad guy, we have got to teach him, let’s send a message to the other people in the Middle East,’ ” said Senator John Kerry, Democrat of Massachusetts.

But Mr. McCain, in his e-mail message, said the reason he had supported the war was the evolving threat from Mr. Hussein.

“I believe voters elect their leaders based on their experience and judgment — their ability to make hard calls, for instance, on matters of war and peace,” he wrote. “It’s important to get them right.”

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Ronald reagan

did not sabre rattle

ugh

Ronald Reagan spoke softly and carried a big stick. he was discreet and frugal in his aggressive statements... but was free to make sure we had a big stick with his statements

There is a BIG difference.

John Mccain does exactly the opposite...

our stick is strained and his speech is napoleonic.

Posted by: dl | August 22, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

From factcheck.org

You might as well know what actually happened so you can make up your own mind without the lies.
If you are interested read below.

Q: Does Obama have a real estate problem?

A political patron from whom he bought a strip of land is under federal indictment, but there's no evidence Obama did anything improper.
Here’s what happened: In 2005, Barack Obama and his wife, Michelle, bid $1.65 million for a house on the south side of Chicago. According to newspaper reports, the owner was also trying to sell an undeveloped parcel of land adjacent to the property Obama was buying, and he wanted the sales of the two to close on the same day. Obama has said that he mentioned he was buying the house to a longtime political patron, Antoin (Tony) Rezko, a developer. Rezko’s wife wound up buying the lot adjacent to Obama’s. At the request of the Obamas, who were seeking a bit more space for their yard, she later sold them a 10-foot wide strip, or about one-sixth, of her land. The Obamas paid $104,500 for it, or about one-sixth of what Mrs. Rezko had paid for the entire property.

Obama doesn’t appear to have reaped any financial advantages from the transactions. The reason the deal has received a good bit of attention is that Tony Rezko – whose political contributions to Illinois’ former governor, Obama and others totaled in the hundreds of thousands of dollars – was known to be under federal investigation at the time the Obamas were purchasing their home. In 2006, Rezko was indicted in three federal cases: Two involved fraud schemes in which he allegedly demanded payments from firms wanting work from the enormous Illinois teachers’ pension fund and from those wanting favorable rulings from a state board that regulates the building of new hospital facilities. In the third, he was charged with fraudulently obtaining more than $10 million in loans for a pizza restaurant business; in December 2007, prosecutors added more fraud counts to that indictment.

Obama has a relationship with Rezko that dates back many years, but there’s no indication Obama did anything improper. Shortly after finishing law school, Obama, who had turned down a job offer from the developer, went to work at a law firm where he represented some community groups that partnered with Rezko to apply for housing rehabilitation loans. As a state legislator, he wrote letters to city and state officials in support of Rezko’s efforts to build apartments for the elderly with government money; the senator asserts that this was a project the community wanted. Obama got together with Rezko a couple of times a year, he has said.

Obama has donated campaign contributions from Rezko and his associates to charity, and he said in 2006, when the real estate transaction was reported by the press, that he made a “boneheaded” mistake by participating in the deal when it was known that Rezko was being investigated. “I regret it,” Obama said. “I’m going to make sure from this point on I don’t even come close to the line.”

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This was another boneheaded move on Obama's part that will backfire on him like all of his elitist, nasty, snob remarks have so far. What an amateur and naive fool to open up this can of worms. Obama gave a crook $14 million of government money and in return the crook bought part of Obama's house for him. Did McCain take bribes and money from criminals to buy any of his wife's investment houses?
Posted by: gary from indiana | August 22, 2008 10:27 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure why it took the house gaffe to convince people that McCain is out of touch. He'd already said the "economy is basically sound" which tended to go right over people's head.

People it is not the houses, it's the economy (OURS not HIS).

Posted by: VJ from Ohio | August 22, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

We have (rent) one home. How many do you have? Have you ever forgotten that? Could you?

I got into school based on my own record, not my daddy's and granddad's, and I was rather higher than the bottom 1% of my class. I did not then also get the choicest, most prestigious assignments possible over my better-qualified classmates. And I certainly did NOT keep flying for the government after losing FIVE government aircraft.

I'll take one home, one wife, born in the USA, raised by a single mother and grandparents, took out and repaid his own student loans to pay for his education, works with the poor and goes to church Obama over McBushII *any* day.

I respect that McCain went through hell in VN. But I don't believe that makes him the most qualified person (or qualified AT ALL) to be President. Let him retire to spend his golden years in Arizona, just like the rest of his pre-Boomer generation.

Posted by: Aelfric (Falls Church, Va.) | August 22, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Do you actually think Obama's people don't know that is going to be Mccains response? This is a poker game they already have their next move planed and it will be things like "The keating 5" Mccains having to pay a prosecutor a few million to settle a case where Mccain misused his office to get him fired because he was investigating Mccains wife theft from a foundation she was the head of. Do you have any idea how dirty a guy like John Mccain is who has been in washington as long as he has? If you have been watching the Obama campaign at all you know they are very, very clever, nothing happens by accident. The Obama people want this kind of conversation because they have a ton of ammunition. They just didn't want to be the ones to start it. Mccain's campaign of fool have just handed a gift to Obama that will keep in giving.

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Obama shouldn't put ads out there that refer to McCain's answer about how many houses he has. All that ad does is bring back our thoughts about how Obama got his one house and a portion of the lot next door.

The Obamas bought the house in June 2005 for $1.65 million--some $300,000 less than the asking price--and secured a $1.32 million mortgage from Northern Trust.

Rezko's wife, Rita, bought the adjoining lot the same day, paying the full $625,000 asking price with the help of a $500,000 mortgage from Mutual Bank of Harvey. By the way, Rita Rezko's annual salary was $37,000 when she obtained the $500,000 mortgage.

As I said, Obama shouldn't be putting out any ads about McCain's home ownership or ANYONE'S home ownership.

Posted by: Ralph | August 22, 2008 9:03 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

It all boils down to getting people to vote against their own interests by using the flag as a blindfold, doesn't it? The GOP are masters at this. I wish it were not the case, but the onus of "educating" people who seem unfazed by the past 8 years of incompetence falls on Obama. In an informed democracy, the citizenry would have the brains and desire to do this themselves. They wouldn't fall for straw man arguments and ad hominem attacks in the name of "country". But that's another topic altogether...

Posted by: Soonerthought.blogspot.com | August 22, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

BUT WILL THE ELECTION EVEN MATTER? Not when government-supported "vigilante injustice" squads are "gang stalking" American citizens, making a mockery of the rule of law:
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/get-political-vic-livingston-opinion-expose-state-supported-vigilante-squads-doing-domestic-terrorism

WHAT IF THEY COULD SHOOT YOU
WITHOUT LEAVING A TRACE? THEY CAN.
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/zap-have-you-been-targeted-directed-energy-weapon-victims-organized-gang-stalking-say-its-happening-usa-1


Posted by: "It Can't Happen Here" - can it? | August 22, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Hey - Braveheart-"Anonymous" -
BTW, if any Obama supporters still want to challenge Sen. McC senility, I suggest you remember the debate between Sen. McC and Sen. Obama. Sen. McC obviously creamed Sen. Obama butt. Sen. Obama was stumbling and fumbling his answers; while, Sen. McC clearly and intelligently answered all questions.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 2:31 AM

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What debate? By definition that means two people addressing issues on a forum where both appear. Not an "interview" forum. I'll ignore that McCain seemed to know the questions before they were asked - calling into question the efficacy of the "cone of silence" - which we all now know was non-existent; I'll instead address your preference for the "sound bite" answers McCain delivered.

Obviously you prefer someone who doesn't listen fully to questions, think about the issue and then answer fully. That puts you in company with so many people out there who don't want to have to think. They prefer that "Daddy" make the decision and then a pronouncement - it's far easier than having to think independently and act responsibly. Such were the people who followed Jim Jones to Guyana... -And that's why we have Bush in the White House.

Personally, I prefer my leaders to actually listen to the people and consider the questions and the advice they're given. They don't have to agree with it or act on it necessarily, but having a thinking person in the White House would certainly go far towards bringing us back out of the Bush abyss.

On a final note - the people of the United States declared overwhelmingly last November and since then that they want change. Now I hear people declaring they're concernded that Obama doesn't have enough experience. Well, Bush had the "experience" that everyone seems to value - and look where that's gotten us.

I say IF YOU WANT CHANGE, PUT YOUR VOTE WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS!


Posted by: Obamasthe1 | August 22, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

"Ronald Reagan showed what saber rattling could accomplish." Ha, like what, fleeing Lebanon when the Marine barracks were attacked in Beirut?

Posted by: Howdy Doody | August 22, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Why don't you tell us the details of that? Oh thats right there is no story just an innuendo you throw out that has no basis.

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I would be less concerned about a candidate knowing exactly how much they have invested in property than I would be about a candidate who used funds from a convicted felon (Tony Rezko) to buy part of their property.

Posted by: Lifelong Democrat | August 22, 2008 9:47 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

This was another boneheaded move on Obama's part that will backfire on him like all of his elitist, nasty, snob remarks have so far. What an amateur and naive fool to open up this can of worms. Obama gave a crook $14 million of government money and in return the crook bought part of Obama's house for him. Did McCain take bribes and money from criminals to buy any of his wife's investment houses?

Posted by: gary from indiana | August 22, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

does anyonoe know if John McCain has a mortgage on any of these houses, or did he just pay cash?

Posted by: Jerry | August 22, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

vmi98mom, there are several glaring errors in your post.

McCain:
"Economic Policy
Continuation of same economic policy as today."
Although there is nothing really wrong with much of the economic policy of today, in spite of the left wing media's attempt to convince you otherwise, this is INCORRECT and misleading! McCain says that he is for making the tax cuts permanent and reducing the burden on the American people. A proven winner that reduces the deficit. JFK was a big proponent of reducing taxes to stimulate the economy. temporary deficit spending was necessary in the aftermath of the Clinton tech/IPO bubble burst recession and the attacks on 9/11. In addition, McCain wants to drastically cut federal earmarks and pork spending which would have a significant positive effect on the economy. Stop Congress from spending NOW~! One of the BEST attributes of McCain.
"Foreign Policy
Continuation of today. More saber rattling."
Again misleading. Empty threats and Barry Hussein style diplomacy accomplishes nothing if your enemy doesn't believe you. Ronald Reagan showed what saber rattling could accomplish. "Likely reinstitution of the draft (only way to support putting troops in the all the places he wants)."
This is an outright lie and was tried once before until it backfired on the Dems when it was discovered that a Dem was proposing the draft and trying to blame it on Republicans. Show us where McCain tells us "all the places he wants" troops". I haven't seen that anywhere.
"Domestic Policy
More conservative judges on the Supreme Court -- likely overturning Roe v Wade, end of Affirmative Action, increase standing for corporate rights over individual rights."
Wow you get more Obama-ized as you go, eh?
More "conservative" judges are more likely to follow the rule of law rather than legislate from the bench, a common trick that liberal justices use when the law is not in their favor. Roe v. Wade will not be overturned. Affirmative action is discrimination and illegal. Never would a conservative or even a semi-Republican like McCain ever put corporations above citizens. This is where you socialists masquerading as ordinary "concerned citizens" reveal your true anti-Capitalist agenda. According to the law, corporations are legal entities and are subject to similar rights and responsibilities as citizens. Corporations benefit citizens because they produce goods and services and tangible wealth for the country, and btw they produce JOBS!
"Decreased funding for all social programs, including education, health care, and housing"
There is far too much wasteful spending on govt giveaways that create dependency among citizens. These "social programs" are nothing more than blatant vote buying. Health care, housing, etc... are best left to the private sector. When has the govt EVER performed nearly as well as the private sector? Do you really want socialized medicine?
"Attempt to privatize Social Security"
This is a good thing. SS offers poor return on investment and tempts Congress to misuse the funds.
"Continuing rise in cost of health care"
This is due to ambulance chasing trial lawyers (Dems major contributor) and semi control by the govt with over regulation and misguided regulation in many areas. What is needed to truth in medical care. Procedures, tests, doctors' qualifications and records and medications should be available in detail with prices so consumers can shop to get the best price.
"Continued deregulation, reduced oversight, and laissez faire approach to business"
The opposite of this has been happening for years. How's that socialist policy working for us now? Right. Not well.
As for laissez faire, most peopel don't have a clue as to what that means. It reveals that you are definitely some kind of big govt socialist and your post is pure propaganda.

Obama:
"Economic Policy
Increased taxes on higher income individuals and corporations, slight reduction for lower income, and no change for the majority"
This is an absolute lie. First, increased taxes on higher income individuals that already carry the majority of the tax burden will result in an economic slowdown. Do poor folks hire people and spend money? I think not. Second, corporations (which can be 4 people, you idiot) don't pay taxes. For them it is a cost of doing business and it is passed through to the consumer as a price increase. DUH!!! How many times do you socialists have to hear this before it sinks in? Decrease taxes for lower income? How much lower can you go for people that pay little or nothing? This is code for income redistribution a la Karl Marx. As for the middle class, if Obama goes through with his threat to repeal the Bush tax cuts, most middle class families will see a $1,600 to $2,000 jump in their taxes immediately! Thanks Comrade Obama.
"Foreign Policy
Emphasis on diplomacy over military intervention."
We already covered that above. See how well it has worked with Russia and Iran.
"Domestic Policy
Supreme Court judge appointments that are more rooted in the law than ideology."
This is an outright lie and the opposite of the truth.
"Increased funding for all social programs, including education, health care, and housing"
Does this scare the crap out of anyone else here? It should. United States of Socialist Republics. USSR???
"Modification to Social Security to increase the pool of those paying into the system"
We also covered this above. Essentially,
this vmi mom?? thinks that the rich should pay for her retirement. Really. Voluntary optional private investment should be instituted for SS.
"Expansion of government funded health care system"
Again, this should scare the daylights out of everyone.
"Increased regulation and oversight of business."
The death of capitalism and America as we once knew her. It has been coming for awhile now. Get ready to stand in Soviet style lines for daily rations of simple bare necessities like toilet paper.

Now make your decision ...
The rest is just noise!

Posted by: ricardo maxwell | August 22, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Powell "not a warmonger"? Don't you remember all those lies he told the Security Council to get them to OK an invasion?

And if you claim he didn't know they were untrue, well, why would you want someone who would say all that when inadequately prepared to be President of the Senate?

No, Gen. Powell is better off retiring into private life. I certainly know the rest of us will be better off if he does.

Posted by: Fake Name Guy | August 22, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Hold up the announcement? What? Obama sent out the text this morning that Joe Biden was his choice for VP. Come on WaPo, get with it!

Posted by: Obama 2008 | August 22, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

I would be less concerned about a candidate knowing exactly how much they have invested in property than I would be about a candidate who used funds from a convicted felon (Tony Rezko) to buy part of their property.

Posted by: Lifelong Democrat | August 22, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

The only reason Obama may be delaying a VP announcement is that the individuals on his short list keep turning him down.

Posted by: Biff Dikman | August 22, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

From Jan:

I cannot think of a single reason why a Democratic nominee would float the names of Republican war-monger Colin Powell or Republican conservative Chuck Hagel for his VP, yet ignore the voices of 18 million Democratic voters. Does that make sense to anyone?
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It makes sense to me -- Colin Powell is a Black man who many folks in America trust, unlike Obama.

Powell was NOT a war-monger, but was treated terribly by the Bush administration, who lied to him in order to secure his support for this Bush's immoral Iraq war.

PLUS, he gets Obama out of the rut he's gotten himself into, where the best thing he can say these days is that McCain doesn't remember details about his financial portfolio -- ie the number of houses he owns. As if that kind of detail matters. But now, what's McCain going to do if Obama picks a Republican war hero as his VP??

Other than by picking Hillary (still my favorite choice, by far) it's the best way for him to dig himself out and start getting some positive traction again.

Unfortunately for America, Obama lacks the guts to choose Hillary. But Powell isn't such a bad choice considering the rest of the available VP field.

Posted by: V. J. Homer | August 22, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Ralph John Mccain's lack of understanding of financials and challenges because he has never had them...

does not bring up Rezko...

and who cares if it does...

people just because McCain was cleared from Keating 5

does not mean the facts stink to high heaven on that.

Mccain best friend (seriously) Charles keating and their relationship makes Rezko and the a quarter of an acre property that Obama screwed up and actually admitted it...mccain not so much on any issue...

...Rezko seems like a boy scout compared to all the financial ethics that were twisted and turned and contracts given by father inlaws and bahama trips and loaned jets...and favors...

all cleared by the ethics committee ...the same committee that "reprimanded" Larry Craig...

this is not about any of that

this is about a guy who has no financial understanding of what Americans are going through...not because he earned it...but because like KFed ...he married into it.

"McKFed"

Posted by: dl | August 22, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Obama shouldn't put ads out there that refer to McCain's answer about how many houses he has. All that ad does is bring back our thoughts about how Obama got his one house and a portion of the lot next door.

The Obamas bought the house in June 2005 for $1.65 million--some $300,000 less than the asking price--and secured a $1.32 million mortgage from Northern Trust.

Rezko's wife, Rita, bought the adjoining lot the same day, paying the full $625,000 asking price with the help of a $500,000 mortgage from Mutual Bank of Harvey. By the way, Rita Rezko's annual salary was $37,000 when she obtained the $500,000 mortgage.

As I said, Obama shouldn't be putting out any ads about McCain's home ownership or ANYONE'S home ownership.

Posted by: Ralph | August 22, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

One candidate clawed his way through an education to better himself.

One candidate received the gift of patronage from his Admiral father. Wears $500 shoes and isn't quite sure how many houses he owns.

If anyone is out of touch it is the Grand Old Man of the Grand Old Party.

Posted by: Mike | August 22, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

It wasn't that he was lying or senile...

it is the fact that he does not know.

Whether it is because of complicating financials that he is not informed on or other...

he does not know.

How many Americans ...especially right now... can make judgements on the countries financial state without the pressure of their mortgage payments, weighing remortgaging, student loans, how their taxes are filled out, their healthcare being cut off and not having money for their kids, or what to do about your aging parent and the financial costs...

John McCain has none of those factors...not because he earned and had to ever go through those financial challenges...he never has. He hasn't started a business or had to pay his way through school...he married or divorced depending on how you look at it...into money after a yourth where his wealthy father took care of getting him everything he needed.

That is not spin...that is his life.

That is the point...so get mad...call Obama names... bring up other issues...but John mcCain has no struggles with finances or experience EVER with struggles of financial matters to look through to understand what we need to do with this economy.

and yes, that is hugely important.

Posted by: dl | August 22, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

To Jan:

We'll see today how strong Obama really is.

If he doesn't pick Hillary, then he's the wimp I thought he was.

Hillary is the only one who can get Obama's campaign back on track.

You know, Kennedy and Johnson were bitter and Johnson was a larger than life political figure. But Kennedy had inner self-confidence and wasn't afraid to do what was politically expedient for the Democratic Party.

As I said, we'll see today if Obama has the "you know what's" to choose her.

Posted by: J | August 22, 2008 8:06 AM | Report abuse

DON'T RECALL !! DON'T REMEMBER !!
Either HE WAS LYING or TRYING TO DODGE THE QUESTION IN ORDER TO AVOID THE EMBARRASSING ANSWER or PLAIN S-E-N-I-L-E !!!!
WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER PRESIDENT WHO CAN'T RECALL or CAN'T REMEBER THINGS; WE HAVE HAD EIGHT YEARS OF THAT KIND OF BUL--IT AND THE COUNTRY IS IN THE TOILET NOW !!!!!!!!!!
By the way Mac, do you know how many children you have ?

Posted by: AMIGO | August 22, 2008 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, but I think this is a ridiculous attack from the Obama campaign.

If you promise that your campaign will not be about personal attacks but about the issues that matter to Americans...
How can Barack Obama possibly believe that THIS is what is on the minds of the American people right now -- how many homes Cindy McCain owns?????

This is a "good" issue from the old days of politics and that's exactly how the media pundits are addressing it, like the old days of politics.
But the media pundits, as we've learned, are not the voters.
This "issue" doesn't fall in line with Obama's promise of a new kind of politics -- a serious debate on the issues that affect the lives of the American people.

In addition, I think the Renzo ad is absolutely explosive in response.

One mention of this gaff by the Obama campaign would have been enough to get the ball rolling on its own. Instead, they've embraced this meme, put the word out that they think it's a winning "issue," slammed out the campaign ads, gotten the new childish nickname on the blogs (Senator McHouse -- GAG!) and acted like how many houses a candidate owns has got life-and-death implications to voters.

Shades of the GOP vs. Teresa Heinz Kerry, anyone? As we can see, a "new" kind of politician is not emerging from the street fight rubble of Rove politics.

In addition, this is not the kind of stuff that is going to earn the respect of voters over 50. Seriously, imo, this makes Obama look like he's grasping for straws, as if he doesn't have anything else he can talk about.

MOVE ON TO THE NEW IRAQ TIMELINE, for goodness sakes!!!

(And if Obama doesn't have Clinton on his ballot, his judgment will again be in question. I cannot think of a single reason why a Democratic nominee would float the names of Republican war-monger Colin Powell or Republican conservative Chuck Hagel for his VP, yet ignore the voices of 18 million Democratic voters. Does that make sense to anyone?)

Posted by: Jan | August 22, 2008 7:53 AM | Report abuse

Why it matters? BECAUSE THE MEDIA SAY IT MATTERS, and the public are nothing more than BRAIN DEAD SHEEP who follow the media's lead right down to the slaughterhouse.

All candidates who run for President are "WEALTHY" (or just rich).

You know what really matters? The fact that the system in the United States says that ONLY RICH/WEALTHY PEOPLE CAN BE PRESIDENT.

That's what matters.

What else matters? Since all candidates are WEALTHIER THAN THE REST OF US, then their "WEALTH" should cancel itself out, and all we should be left with is a discussion of the "WORLDVIEW" of the candidates.

It matters much more to me that as a Republican, John McCain believes (WORLDVIEW) that the best way to solve PUBLIC issues is by turning things over to PRIVATE control.

Take money from PUBLIC schools and give it to PRIVATE schools...that's what Republicans want. Most Americans don't want that.

Turn roads over to PRIVATE hands. Do most Americans want to be paying more for PRIVATE companies to build roads, paying tolls to drive on roads, or have PRIVATE STREETS between themselves and their jobs that they can't drive on without paying to? Republicans have no problem with that.

Does the public want the military PRIVATIZED? Republicans do. They want you to give a contract to a PRIVATE corporation that pays them 10 times what a soldier would be paid just to COOK for the troops, like the troops can't have military folk cook like they have done forever.

That's what we should be focused on...WORLDVIEW, not WEALTH, because our PATHETIC PLUTOCRACY has made it clear that unless you are wealthy (or rich), you can't be President...so everyone who gets nominated is better off than the rest of us TO BEGIN WITH.

Posted by: HGG | August 22, 2008 7:32 AM | Report abuse

When will voters stop listening to this tripe? The bottom line is what can you expect from these candidates if they are elected, based on the polcieis each espouses.
McCain:
Economic Policy
Continuation of same economic policy as today. Deficit spending, decline in the value of the dollar, increasing inflation.
Foreign Policy
Continuation of today. More saber rattling. Likely reinstitution of the draft (only way to support putting troops in the all the places he wants).
Domestic Policy
More conservative judges on the Supreme Court -- likely overturning Roe v Wade, end of Affirmative Action, increase standing for corporate rights over individual rights.
Decreased funding for all social programs, including education, health care, and housing
Attempt to privatize Social Security
Continuing rise in cost of health care
Continued deregulation, reduced oversight, and laissez faire approach to business

Obama:
Economic Policy
Increased taxes on higher income individuals and corporations, slight reduction for lower income, and no change for the majority
Foreign Policy
Emphasis on diplomacy over military intervention.
Domestic Policy
Supreme Court judge appointments that are more rooted in the law than ideology.
Increased funding for all social programs, including education, health care, and housing
Modification to Social Security to increase the pool of those paying into the system
Expansion of government funded health care system
Increased regulation and oversight of business.

Now make your decision ...
The rest is just noise!

Posted by: vmi98mom | August 22, 2008 7:29 AM | Report abuse

This does matter for McCain. He seems to have developed a 'two-pronged' strategy--Promote his image as a "Maverick" and paint Obama as elitist--which, in political-speak seems to have become code for 'out of touch.' His maverick image is clearly in trouble since he has returned to an embrace of the Administration economic policies he once derided. Now, he has opened the flap of the tent on 'elitism' and there may quite possibly be a blizzard out there waiting for him as he battles to regain some kind of 'regular guy' cred.

Posted by: dch | August 22, 2008 7:18 AM | Report abuse

Interesting to see all the posts from the o'Bama damage control propaganda machine. And the courage of that poster, Anonymous? Can you believe how brave that one is? I guess when you are telling the truth you can stop hiding behind a false identity and let everyone know who you are. LMFAO!!!
Even the paid posting obamabots know the hypocrisy and ridiculous nature of criticizing the McCains for their property ownership. They are so desperate and bitter over the fact that the American public is wiser and can see through the Emperor's new clothes!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 7:15 AM | Report abuse

I am wondering how much of a bubble the 0bama campaign is in? To bring up this silly issue knowing that Rezco was soon to follow shows either that they don't know how much about this guy is already out there or think that most Americans would be okey dokey with a felon connected to 0bama and the missus helping them buy a house they couldn't afford ... Nothing says elitist more than over reaching.

Posted by: beebop | August 22, 2008 7:00 AM | Report abuse

darr west I read a story that says Obama did cocaine was a muslim at one point in his life and attended a racist church for twenty years. His children also got the privlige of having their minds warped at Obam's side

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 6:12 AM | Report abuse

Carl tell Obama paid bloggers can be smelled a mile away. Now then prove your not by citing Obama's documented speech in the same detail protecting Infantcide in Ilinois.

Posted by: Your the Joke | August 22, 2008 6:04 AM | Report abuse

So Obama is saying because Franklin Roosevelt had numerous homes, he was unqualified to put together programs for those less fortunate?

Or that all those Kennedy homes mean Ted has no understanding for Americans with one address?

I suppose if Cindy McCain attended one of Obama's $7.8M fundraising parties, her four homes (of seven properties) wouldn't be a problem. Who is Barack Obama talking to??

Michelle told Barack he should run for President this year while they're still "normal"! Tell us again how many bottles the wine cellar in the Obama mansion holds... (1,000) And 5.5 bathrooms - but only one house... Jes' folks. Jes' hypocrites.

Posted by: expatriot | August 22, 2008 5:28 AM | Report abuse

If you heard that John McCain dumped his first wife for a rich socialite who helped launch McCain's political career... well, that's pretty much true. McCain came back from Vietnam to find his wife had been in a horrific car accident. As a result, she had gained some weight. Perhaps, the story goes, her altered physical appearance was a factor in his pursuit of 25-year-old socialite Cindy Hensley, who he would soon marry, after securing a tidy, uncontested divorce from poor Carol.
McCain's second wife, Cindy, has also been smeared as a former drug addict. Between 1989 and 1992 she became addicted to painkillers. She admitted to stealing pills from a charitable organization she ran at the time. Cindy McCain was never prosecuted and allegations that McCain intervened on her behalf have never been substantiated. No worse behavior than, say, a certain popular talk show host that really dislikes Cindy McCain's husband.

Posted by: Bob | August 22, 2008 5:09 AM | Report abuse

The Keating Five were five United States Senators accused of corruption in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the larger Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s. The five senators, Alan Cranston (D-CA), Dennis DeConcini (D-AZ), John Glenn (D-OH), John McCain (R-AZ), and Donald W. Riegle (D-MI), were accused of improperly aiding Charles H. Keating, Jr., chairman of the failed Lincoln Savings and Loan Association, which was the target of an investigation by the Federal Home Loan Bank Board (FHLBB).
After a lengthy investigation, the Senate Ethics Committee determined in 1991 that Alan Cranston, Dennis DeConcini, and Donald Riegle had substantially and improperly interfered with the FHLBB in its investigation of Lincoln Savings. Senators John Glenn and John McCain were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment".
All five of the senators involved served out their terms. Only Glenn and McCain ran for re-election, and they were both re-elected.
Circumstances
See also: Savings and Loan crisis
The U.S. Savings and Loan crisis of the 1980s and 1990s was the failure of 747 savings and loan associations (S&Ls) in the United States. The ultimate cost of the crisis is estimated to have totaled around $160.1 billion, about $124.6 billion of which was directly paid for by the U.S. taxpayer.[1].
The concomitant slowdown in the finance industry and the real estate market may have been a contributing cause of the 1990-1991 economic recession. Between 1986 and 1991, the number of new homes constructed per year dropped from 1.8 million to 1 million, the lowest rate since World War II.[2]
The Keating Five scandal was prompted by the activities of one particular savings and loan: Lincoln Savings and Loan Association of Irvine, California. Lincoln's chairman was Charles Keating, who ultimately served five years in prison for his corrupt mismanagement of Lincoln.[3] In the four years since Keating's American Continental Corporation (ACC) had purchased Lincoln in 1984, Lincoln's assets had increased from $1.1 billion to $5.5 billion.[4] Such savings and loan associations had been deregulated in the early 1980s, allowing them to make highly risky investments with their depositors' money, a change of which Keating took advantage.[4] Lincoln's investments took the form of buying land, taking equity positions in real estate development projects, and buying high-yield junk bonds.[5]
Corruption allegations
The core allegation of the Keating Five affair is that Keating had made contributions of about $1.3 million to various U.S. Senators, and he called on those Senators to help him resist regulators. The regulators backed off, to later disastrous consequences.
Beginning in 1985, Edwin J. Gray, chair of the Federal Home Loan Bank Board (FHLBB), feared that the savings industry's risky investment practices were exposing the government's insurance funds to huge losses.[5] Gray instituted a rule whereby savings associations could hold no more than ten percent of their assets in "direct investments",[5] and were thus prohibited from taking ownership positions in certain financial entities and instruments.[6] Lincoln had become burdened with bad debt resulting from its past aggressiveness, and by early 1986,[5] its investment practices were being investigated and audited by the FHLBB:[7] in particular, whether it had violated these direct investment rules; Lincoln had directed FDIC-insured accounts into commercial real estate ventures.[4] By the end of 1986, the FHLBB had found that Lincoln had $135 million in unreported losses and had surpassed the regulated direct investments limit by $600 million.[5]
Keating had earlier taken several measures to oppose Gray and the FHLBB, including recruiting a study from then-private economist Alan Greenspan saying that direct investments were not harmful,[5] and getting President Ronald Reagan to make a recess appointment of a Keating ally, Atlanta real estate developer Lee H. Henkel Jr., to an open seat on the FHLBB.[5] But by March 1987, Henkel had resigned, upon news of his having large loans due to Lincoln.[5]
It appeared as though the government might seize Lincoln for being insolvent.[6] The investigation was, however, taking a long time.[7] Keating was asking that Lincoln be given a lenient judgment by the FHLBB, so that it could limit its high risk investments and get into the safe (at the time) home mortgage business, thus allowing the business to survive. A letter from audit firm Arthur Young & Co. bolstered Keating's case that the government investigation was taking a long time.[8] Keating now wanted the five senators to intervene with the FHLBB on his behalf.
By March 1987, Keating and DeConcini were asking McCain to travel to San Francisco to meet with regulators regarding Lincoln Savings; McCain refused.[8][6] DeConcini told Keating that McCain was nervous about interfering.[6] Keating called McCain a "wimp" behind his back, and on March 24, Keating and McCain had a heated, contentious meeting.[8]
On April 2, 1987, a meeting with chairman Gray of the FHLBB was held in DeConcini's Capitol office, with Senators Cranston, Glenn, and McCain also in attendance.[6] DeConcini started the meeting with a mention of "our friend at Lincoln."[6] Gray told the assembled senators that he did not know the particular details of the status of Lincoln Savings and Loan, and that the senators would have to go to the bank regulators in San Francisco that had oversight jurisdiction for the bank. Gray did offer to set up a meeting between those regulators and the senators.[6]
On April 9, 1987, a two-hour meeting[4] with three members of the FHLBB San Francisco branch was held, again in DeConcini's office, to discuss the government's investigation of Lincoln.[8][6] Present were Cranston, DeConcini, Glenn, McCain, and additionally Riegle.[6] The regulators felt that the meeting was very unusual and that they were being pressured by a united front, as the senators presented their reasons for having the meeting.[6] McCain said, "One of our jobs as elected officials is to help constituents in a proper fashion. ACC is a big employer and important to the local economy. I wouldn't want any special favors for them.... I don't want any part of our conversation to be improper." Glenn said, "To be blunt, you should charge them or get off their backs," while DeConcini said, "What's wrong with this if they're willing to clean up their act? ... It's very unusual for us to have a company that could be put out of business by its regulators."[6] The regulators then revealed that Lincoln was under criminal investigation on a variety of serious charges, at which point McCain severed all relations with Keating.[6] Glenn continued to help Keating after that revelation, by setting up a meeting with then-House Majority Leader Jim Wright, which turned out to be the only questionable thing Glenn did throughout the whole affair.[9]
The San Francisco regulators finished their report in May 1987 and recommended that Lincoln be seized by the government due to unsound lending practices.[6][4] Gray, whose time as chair was about to expire, deferred action on the report, saying that his adversarial relationship with Keating would make any action he took seem vindictive, and that instead the incoming chair should take over the decision.[5] Meanwhile Keating filed a lawsuit against the FHLBB, saying it had leaked confidential information about Lincoln.[5] The new FHLBB chair was M. Danny Wall, who was more sympathetic to Keating and took no action on the report, saying its evidence was insufficient.[4][6] In September 1987, the Lincoln investigation was removed from the San Francisco group and in May 1988, a new audit of Lincoln began in Washington.[6]
News of the April meetings between the senators and the FHLBB officials first appeared in National Thrift News in September 1987, but was only sporadically covered by the general media for the next year and a half.[10]
Failure of Lincoln
Lincoln stayed in business; from mid-1987 to April 1989, its assets grew from $3.91 billion to $5.46 billion.[5] During this time, the parent American Continental Corporation was desperate for cash inflow to make up for losses in real estate purchases and projects.[11] Lincoln's branch managers and tellers convinced customers to replace their federally-insured certificates of deposit with higher-yielding bond certificates of American Continental; the customers later said they were never properly informed that the bonds were uninsured and very risky given the state of American Continental's finances.[11]
American Continental went bankrupt in April 1989, and Lincoln was seized by the FHLBB on April 14, 1989.[4] More than 21,000 mostly elderly investors lost their life savings. This total came to about $285 million.[citation needed] The federal government was liable for $2 billion to cover Lincoln's losses when it seized the institution.[11]
Keating was hit with a $1.1 billion fraud and racketeering action, filed against him by the regulators.[4] Asked whether his contributions had bought him influence, Keating said: “I want to say in the most forceful way I can: I certainly hope so.”[12]
When the former chairman of the FHLBB went public about the Senators' assistance to Keating, that set off a series of investigations by the California government, the United States Department of Justice, and the Senate Ethics Committee. The Ethics Committee's investigation focused on all five senators, who soon became known as the "Keating Five". The initial charges against the five Senators were brought by Common Cause, a public interest group, and the Senate’s inquiry subsequently lasted 22 months.[13]
Relationships of senators to Keating
Once Lincoln failed, the relationships of all the senators to Keating came under intense press scrutiny.
Cranston had received $39,000 from Keating and his associates for his 1986 Senate re-election campaign. Furthermore, Keating had donated some $850,000 to assorted groups founded by Cranston or controlled by him, and another $85,000 to the California Democratic Party.[4]
DeConcini had received about $48,000 from Keating and his associates for his 1988 Senate re-election campaign.[4] In September 1989, DeConcini stated he would return the money.[4]
Glenn had received $34,000 in direct contributions from Keating and his associates for his 1984 presidential nomination campaign, and a political action committee tied to Glenn had received an additional $200,000.[4]
McCain and Keating had become personal friends following their initial contacts in 1981.[8] Between 1982 and 1987, McCain had received $112,000 in lawful[14] political contributions from Keating and his associates.[15] In addition, McCain's wife Cindy McCain and her father Jim Hensley had invested $359,100 in a Keating shopping center in April 1986, a year before McCain met with the regulators. McCain, his family, and their baby-sitter had made nine trips at Keating's expense, sometimes aboard Keating's jet. Three of the trips were made during vacations to Keating's opulent Bahamas retreat at Cat Cay. McCain did not pay Keating (in the amount of $13,433) for some of the trips until years after they were taken, when he learned that Keating was in trouble over Lincoln.[6][16]
Riegle had received some $76,000 from Keating and his associates for his 1988 Senate re-election campaign.[4] Riegle later announced in April 1988 he was returning the money.[5]
Conclusion of investigation
The Senate Ethics Committee's report regarding the Keating matter came out in August 1991, and addressed each of the five senators.[17]
Cranston: severely reprimanded
The Senate Ethics Committee ruled that Cranston had acted improperly by interfering with the investigation by the FHLBB.[17] He had received more than a million dollars from Keating, had done more arm-twisting than the other Senators on Keating's behalf, and was the only Senator officially rebuked by the Senate in this matter.[18]
Cranston was given the harshest penalty of all five Senators. In November of 1991, the Senate Ethics Committee voted unanimously to reprimand Cranston, instead of the more severe measure that was under consideration: censure by the full Senate. Extenuating circumstances that helped to save Cranston from censure were the fact that he was suffering from cancer, and that he had decided to not seek reelection, according to the Chairman of the Ethics Committee, Democratic Senator Howell Heflin of Alabama. The Ethics Committee took the unusual step of delivering its reprimand to Cranston during a formal session of the full Senate, with almost all 100 Senators present.[13]
Cranston was not accused of breaking any specific laws or rules, but of violating standards that Heflin said “do not permit official actions to be linked with fund-raising.” The Ethics Committee officially found that Cranston’s conduct had been “improper and repugnant”, deserving of "the fullest, strongest and most severe sanction which the committee has the authority to impose." The sanction was in these words: "the Senate Select Committee on Ethics, on behalf of and in the name of the United States Senate, does hereby strongly and severely reprimand Sen. Alan Cranston.”[13]
After the Senate reprimanded Cranston for repugnant conduct, Cranston took to the Senate floor to deny key charges against him. In response, Senator Warren Rudman of New Hampshire, the Republican Vice-Chairman of the Ethics Committee, charged that Cranston’s response to the reprimand was “arrogant, unrepentant and a smear on this institution," and that Cranston was wrong to imply that everyone does what Cranston had done. Alan Dershowitz, serving as Senator Cranston's attorney, alleged that other Senators had merely been better at “covering their tracks.”[13] Likewise, political historian Lewis Gould has written that, “the real problem for the 'Keating Three' who were most involved was that they had been caught.”[19]
Riegle and DeConcini: criticized for acting improperly
The Senate Ethics Committee ruled that Riegle and DeConcini had acted improperly by interfering with the investigation by the FHLBB.[17]
DeConcini later charged that McCain had leaked to the press sensitive information about the investigation that came from some of the closed proceedings of the Ethics Committee.[6] McCain denied doing so, although one congressional investigator concluded that McCain had been one of the main leakers during that time.[6]
Glenn and McCain: cleared of impropriety but criticized for poor judgment
The Senate Ethics Committee ruled that the involvement of Glenn in the scheme was minimal, and the charges against him were dropped.[17] He was only criticized by the Committee for "poor judgment."[20]
The Ethics Committee ruled that the involvement of McCain in the scheme was also minimal, and he too was cleared of all charges against him.[18][17] McCain was criticized by the Committee for exercising "poor judgment" when he met with the federal regulators on Keating's behalf.[6] The report also said that McCain's "actions were not improper nor attended with gross negligence and did not reach the level of requiring institutional action against him....Senator McCain has violated no law of the United States or specific Rule of the United States Senate."[14] On his Keating Five experience, McCain has said: "The appearance of it was wrong. It's a wrong appearance when a group of senators appear in a meeting with a group of regulators, because it conveys the impression of undue and improper influence. And it was the wrong thing to do."[6]
Several accounts of the controversy contend that McCain was included in the investigation primarily so that there would be at least one Republican target.[21][22][23][9] Glenn's inclusion in the investigation has been attributed to Republicans who were angered by the inclusion of McCain, as well as committee members who thought that dropping Glenn (and McCain) would make it look bad for the remaining three Democratic Senators.[21][23] Democrat Robert S. Bennett, who was the special investigator during the scandal, suggested to the Senate Ethics Committee that it pursue charges against neither McCain nor Glenn, saying of McCain, "that there was no evidence against him."[22] The Vice Chairman of the Ethics Committee, Senator Warren Rudman of New Hampshire, agreed with Bennett, but the Chairman, Senator Howell Heflin of Alabama, did not agree.[9]
Regardless of the level of their involvement, both senators were greatly affected by it. McCain would write in 2002 that attending the two April 1987 meetings was "the worst mistake of my life".[24] Glenn has described the Senate Ethics Committee investigation as the low point of his life.[7]Reactions
Not everyone was satisfied with the Senate Ethics Committee conclusions. Fred Wertheimer, president of Common Cause, which had initially demanded the investigation, thought the treatment of the senators far too lenient, and said, "The U.S. Senate remains on the auction block to the Charles Keatings of the world."[25] Joan Claybrook, president of Public Citizen, called it a "whitewash".[25] Jonathan Alter of Newsweek said it was a classic case of the government trying to investigate itself, labelling the Senate Ethics Committee "shameless" for having "let four of the infamous Keating Five off with a wrist tap."[26] Margaret Carlson of Time suspected the committee had timed its first report to coincide with the run-up to the Gulf War, minimizing its news impact.[25]Aftermath
Cranston left office in January of 1993, and died in December of 2000. DeConcini and Riegle continued to serve in the Senate until their terms expired, but they did not seek re-election in 1994. DeConcini was appointed by President Bill Clinton in February 1995 to the Board of Directors of the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation. [27]
Glenn did choose to run for re-election in 1992, and it was anticipated that he would have some difficulty winning a fourth term in the Senate. However, Glenn handily defeated Lieutenant Governor R. Michael DeWine for one more term in the Senate before retiring in 1999.
After 1999, the only member of the Keating Five remaining in the U.S. Senate was John McCain, who had an easier time gaining re-election in 1992 than he anticipated,[28] and who ran for president in 2000 and became the Republican presumptive nominee in 2008. McCain survived the political scandal by, in part, becoming friendly with the political press, and in part by not letting the controversy detract from his work as a senator.[28]
The scandal was followed by a number of attempts to adopt campaign finance reform—spearheaded by U.S. Sen. David Boren (D-OK)—but most attempts died in committee. A weakened reform was passed in 1993. Substantial campaign finance reform was not passed until the adoption of the McCain-Feingold Act in 2002.

Posted by: Carl | August 22, 2008 5:08 AM | Report abuse

by Col. David H. Hackworth

John McCain is being hailed by the press as a "genuine war hero." But is he a war hero in the conventional sense like Audie Murphy and John Glenn?
Or is his "war hero" status the creation of a very slick publicity campaign that plays on flag, duty, honor and country?

For sure, McCain has the fruitsalad a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars , two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a dozen service gongs.

On a purely medal count basis, he outweighs Murphy and Glenn, who both for years repeatedly performed extraordinary deeds on the ground or in the air against an armed enemy.

McCain's valor awards are based on what happened in 1967, when during his 23d mission over Vietnam, he was shot down, seriously injured, captured and then spent 5 1/2 brutal years as a POW.

In an attempt to find out exactly what the man did to earn these many hero awards, I asked his Senate office three times to provide copies of the narratives for each medal. I'm still waiting.

I next went to the Pentagon. Within a week, I received a recap of his medals and many of the narratives that give the details of what he did.

None of the awards, less the DFC, were for heroism over the battlefield where he spent no more than 20 hours. Two Naval officers described the awards as "boilerplate" and "part of an SOP medal package given to repatriated (Vietnamera) POWs."

McCain's Silver Star narrative for the period 27 October 1967 the day after he was shot down to 8 December 1968 reads: "His captors… subjected him to extreme mental and physical cruelties in an attempt to obtain military information and false confessions for propaganda purposes. Through his resistance to those brutalities, he contributed significantly towards the eventual abandonment…" of such harsh treatment by the North Vietnamese.

Yet in McCain's own words just four days after being captured, he admits he violated the U.S. Code of Conduct by telling his captors "O.K, I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital."

A Vietnam vet detractor says, "He received the nation's third highest award, the Silver Star, for treason. He provided aid and comfort to the enemy!"

The rest of his valor awards issued automatically every year while he was a POW read much like the Silver Star. More boilerplate often repeating the exact same words. An example: "By his heroic endeavors, exceptional skill, and devotion to duty, he reflected great credit upon himself and upheld the highest traditions of the Naval Service and the United States Armed Forces."

Yet McCain's conduct while a POW negates these glowing comments. The facts are that he signed a confession and declared himself a "black criminal who performed deeds of an air pirate." This statement and other interviews he gave to the Communist press press were used as propaganda to fan the flames of the antiwar movement.

Accounts by McCain and other writers tell of the horror he endured: relentlessly beatings, torture, broken limbs. All inflicted during savage interrogations. Yet no other POW was a witness to these accounts.
A former POW says "No man witnessed another man during interrogations… We relied on each other to tell the truth when a man was returned to his cell."

The U.S. Navy says two eyewitnesses are required for any award of heroism. But for the valor awards McCain received, there are no eyewitnesses, less himself and his captors. And they're not talking.

Our POWs in Vietnam were treated appallingly. The Viets would either break a POW or kill him. POWs provided info beyond name, rank and serial number or they didn't come back.

Based on these stalwart men's horrific experiences, the Code of Conduct has been changed. A POW says, "Now the training is to give them something… don't risk permanent damage to health, mind or body."
McCain refused an early release. An act of valor? Three former POWs told me he was ordered to turn it down by his U.S. POW commander and he "just followed orders."

McCain certainly doesn't appear to be a war hero by conventional standards, but rather a tough survivor whose handlers are overplaying the war hero card.

David H. Hackworth died in June 2005, he was a much-decorated and highly unconventional former career Army officer who became a combat legend in Vietnam. Col. Hackworth received 78 combat awards — including a Distinguished Service Cross, a Silver Star, a Bronze Star and eight Purple Hearts — during his 25-year military career which spanned the Korean and Vietnam wars..

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 4:15 AM | Report abuse

"What he said was. "I have been campaigning all over the country and have been to 57" and before saying anything else said " I mean 47 of the 50 states" Thats all he said."

Really? I mean its pretty obvious he meant 47, but I didn't know he actually corrected himself.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 22, 2008 4:13 AM | Report abuse


Interesting reading

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/

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I read a story that John McCain made propaganda tapes for the vietcong in Nam in the 1960's so I guess he's like Tokyo Rose. A hero?? What?

Posted by: darr west | August 22, 2008 3:45 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 4:11 AM | Report abuse

I need to add this. You will have to track down an original copy of Mccains book. Reprints have been changed. I guess he didn't like some of what he had said. Rewrite history so to speak.
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He admits it in his book. He said he did it to get medical treatment. In the book he says he did it once. Records that came out after the war from the Vietnamese have it as he did 30 propaganda things for them. They were not used but he did them never the less. Also. two men in the camp were threatened with execution as traitors for doing the same thing Mccain did. It is nice when your father is an Admiral, records can be changed to say what ever you want.

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I read a story that John McCain made propaganda tapes for the vietcong in Nam in the 1960's so I guess he's like Tokyo Rose. A hero?? What?

Posted by: darr west | August 22, 2008 3:45 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 4:01 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 4:04 AM | Report abuse

He admits it in his book. He said he did it to get medical treatment. In the book he says he did it once. Records that came out after the war from the Vietnamese have it as he did 30 propaganda things for them. They were not used but he did them never the less. Also. two men in the camp were threatened with execution as traitors for doing the same thing Mccain did. It is nice when your father is an Admiral, records can be changed to say what ever you want.

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I read a story that John McCain made propaganda tapes for the vietcong in Nam in the 1960's so I guess he's like Tokyo Rose. A hero?? What?

Posted by: darr west | August 22, 2008 3:45 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 4:01 AM | Report abuse

Interesting to see how fast the McCain bounce is going to drop!

I also like the fact they are trying to make an argument about a guy that Obama knew in school. Like Obama was like seven when this guy did bad things.

If they open this this will open McCain to major scrutiny of his behavior in Nam, his divorce to his disfigured wife, like what happened "in sickness and in health" McCain came home took one look at his once beautiful wife and took off faster then a bee to a flower.

Also Obama home is worth under 2 million and McCain homes worth more then 13 million? And why did the McCain camp lie about how many homes he owns when it's public record? Are they that stupid on the collateral damage that would cause? More proof that Republicans can't govern - from the mouth of McCain to his legion of servants.

Senior moment response to questions - like an open "it's the condo's" like how many people have 7 homes? Like 4 homes? McCain is worth over 100 million and Obama is worth 4 million. Like that's a grand canyon sized gap!

Out of touch and senile doesn't even begin to describe John McCain. He can't remember he own's seven or eight homes? Come on now!

Posted by: darr west | August 22, 2008 3:57 AM | Report abuse

Any 72 year old will be in a mental decline, it is just a matter of how much. Figures show it is exponential. In other words in four years he could be really bad even if he is only in the beginning stages now. A person of say 45 will not really change at all by say 50. A person of 72 though could show changes even in as little as several month increments. Anyone who has a grandparent in that age bracket they only see every year or so knows what I mean. It can be rather shocking, It snowballs at that age. I could see Mccain if elected being like 50 50 he doesn't make it through one term. Either due to death or being removed because he can't preform his duties.
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It could just be a "senior" moment.

Maybe, since even at almost 80 he hasn't taken one, he should take one of those quick five minute tests to see if you have Alzheimer's or early dementia.

It happens when you get that old.

Just ask Bob Dole.

Posted by: Will in Seattle | August 22, 2008 3:34 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 3:54 AM | Report abuse

I read a story that John McCain made propaganda tapes for the vietcong in Nam in the 1960's so I guess he's like Tokyo Rose. A hero?? What?

Posted by: darr west | August 22, 2008 3:45 AM | Report abuse

It could just be a "senior" moment.

Maybe, since even at almost 80 he hasn't taken one, he should take one of those quick five minute tests to see if you have Alzheimer's or early dementia.

It happens when you get that old.

Just ask Bob Dole.

Posted by: Will in Seattle | August 22, 2008 3:34 AM | Report abuse

Point is Mccain used to parade her around as some kind of testament to his good health. I think they got scared she may drop over on them and it would not look good.

By the way Obama's mother is dead. I think Obama is right, you people make it seem like you take pride in being ignorant.

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"They have had Mccains mother in hiding for months now, why"? Becasue she is 92 years old you freaking idiot. I really hope that you are as healthy as McCain and McCain's mother are when you reach their age. Where is Obama's mother? Seems like to me Obama is the one who is hiding family members.
Posted by: Johnny K | August 22, 2008 3:06 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 3:19 AM | Report abuse


What past, you know something no one else does? Better sell it to the Enquire and make a few bucks then. Truth is, Hillary's henchmen were on it full time and could not find a thing on Obama. If there was anything they would have found it. I am sorry Obama is clean, I know you hate to hear it but that is the way it is. Now Mccain, he stinks all the way back to his high school days. Maybe they should talk about his misuse of his office to get a prosecutor fired who was trying to put Mccains wife in jail. He later won a law suit against Mccain and he settled for a few million as Mccain tried to cover it up. It is public record though.

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Damn we got some McCain bashers in this forum. If Obama continues to talk about McCain and his houses he will be hit back twice as hard. And face it folks--Obama has alot of controversial issues and associations that he doesnt want to be made public. Obama made 4.2 million dollars last year! John McCain made around a half a million. All of the houses belong to Cindy McCain. Keep talking about McCain's houses and the public will finally found out about Obama's past!

Posted by: Johnny K | August 22, 2008 2:58 AM

Posted by: ccccccccccc | August 22, 2008 3:12 AM | Report abuse


What past, you know something no one else does? Better sell it to the Enquire and make a few bucks then. Truth is, Hillary's henchmen were on it full time and could not find a thing on Obama. If there was anything they would have found it. I am sorry Obama is clean, I know you hate to hear it but that is the way it is. Now Mccain, he stinks all the way back to his high school days. Maybe they should talk about his misuse of his office to get a prosecutor fired who was trying to put Mccains wife in jail. He later won a law suit against Mccain and he settled for a few million as Mccain tried to cover it up. It is public record though.

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Damn we got some McCain bashers in this forum. If Obama continues to talk about McCain and his houses he will be hit back twice as hard. And face it folks--Obama has alot of controversial issues and associations that he doesnt want to be made public. Obama made 4.2 million dollars last year! John McCain made around a half a million. All of the houses belong to Cindy McCain. Keep talking about McCain's houses and the public will finally found out about Obama's past!

Posted by: Johnny K | August 22, 2008 2:58 AM

Posted by: ccccccccccc | August 22, 2008 3:12 AM | Report abuse


What past, you know something no one else does? Better sell it to the Enquire and make a few bucks then. Truth is, Hillary's henchmen were on it full time and could not find a thing on Obama. If there was anything they would have found it. I am sorry Obama is clean, I know you hate to hear it but that is the way it is. Now Mccain, he stinks all the way back to his high school days. Maybe they should talk about his misuse of his office to get a prosecutor fired who was trying to put Mccains wife in jail. He later won a law suit against Mccain and he settled for a few million as Mccain tried to cover it up. It is public record though.

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Damn we got some McCain bashers in this forum. If Obama continues to talk about McCain and his houses he will be hit back twice as hard. And face it folks--Obama has alot of controversial issues and associations that he doesnt want to be made public. Obama made 4.2 million dollars last year! John McCain made around a half a million. All of the houses belong to Cindy McCain. Keep talking about McCain's houses and the public will finally found out about Obama's past!

Posted by: Johnny K | August 22, 2008 2:58 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 3:12 AM | Report abuse


What past, you know something no one else does? Better sell it to the Enquire and make a few bucks then. Truth is, Hillary's henchmen were on it full time and could not find a thing on Obama. If there was anything they would have found it. I am sorry Obama is clean, I know you hate to hear it but that is the way it is. Now Mccain, he stinks all the way back to his high school days. Maybe they should talk about his misuse of his office to get a prosecutor fired who was trying to put Mccains wife in jail. He later won a law suit against Mccain and he settled for a few million as Mccain tried to cover it up. It is public record though.

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Damn we got some McCain bashers in this forum. If Obama continues to talk about McCain and his houses he will be hit back twice as hard. And face it folks--Obama has alot of controversial issues and associations that he doesnt want to be made public. Obama made 4.2 million dollars last year! John McCain made around a half a million. All of the houses belong to Cindy McCain. Keep talking about McCain's houses and the public will finally found out about Obama's past!

Posted by: Johnny K | August 22, 2008 2:58 AM

Posted by: ccccccccccc | August 22, 2008 3:12 AM | Report abuse

"They have had Mccains mother in hiding for months now, why"? Becasue she is 92 years old you freaking idiot. I really hope that you are as healthy as McCain and McCain's mother are when you reach their age. Where is Obama's mother? Seems like to me Obama is the one who is hiding family members.

Posted by: Johnny K | August 22, 2008 3:06 AM | Report abuse

Believe nothing that comes from The Washington Compost. LOL

Posted by: George T | August 22, 2008 3:04 AM | Report abuse

Damn we got some McCain bashers in this forum. If Obama continues to talk about McCain and his houses he will be hit back twice as hard. And face it folks--Obama has alot of controversial issues and associations that he doesnt want to be made public. Obama made 4.2 million dollars last year! John McCain made around a half a million. All of the houses belong to Cindy McCain. Keep talking about McCain's houses and the public will finally found out about Obama's past!

Posted by: Johnny K | August 22, 2008 2:58 AM | Report abuse

The story only continues to get BETTER: the newest line of defense from the McCain camp is that Sen. McCain owns NONE of the homes in question. (That's right: nada, zippo, NO homes are in his name.)

Seems ALL of the McCain residences were purchased by Cindy McCain's personal trust and/or other Cindy-owned business entities and held in the names of either Cindy McCain, their children or possibly the incorporated entity's.

So says Politico @ ...
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12700.html(

(That ought to really help Joe Sixpack more closely identify with the two admirals' once-wild-n'-reckless offspring, donchathink?)

Posted by: Carmen Cameron | August 22, 2008 2:56 AM | Report abuse

They have had Mccains mother in hiding for months now, why?
Mccain is already showing signs of mental problems. You can just look at clips of him from only a couple of years ago and he is much slower and stumbles over words, can't seem to keep a thought unless it is one of his rehearsed talking points. He is in obvious decline as we speak. By the way, have you ever seen him in person? I have in 2000 and a few months ago. It was night and day I could not believe how much he had aged. He looks every day or that 72 years. It is amazing what a make up artist can do for him on TV. In person he makes Joan Rivers look good.

I don't know if you are referring to the church thing but. Mccain could not answer a question and resorted to stump speeches and ridiculous stories. Two of which have been shown to be lies. The one about the cross in the sand and the BS story about Mother Teresa and his wife. Even his wife had to admit it never happened. He sits in a church and lies about Mother Teresa. Mccain is a joke.

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Senility is genetic. Sen. McC's mother is almost 100 years and not senile. Therefore, the possibility Sen. McCain will become senile in the next 8 years is very slim.

Senility is also caused by physically inactive and non-mentally challenging life-style. As we all know Sen. McC lives a physically active and mentally challenging life style.

BTW, if any Obama supporters still want to challenge Sen. McC senility, I suggest you remember the debate between Sen. McC and Sen. Obama. Sen. McC obviously creamed Sen. Obama butt. Sen. Obama was stumbling and fumbling his answers; while, Sen. McC clearly and intelligently answered all questions.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 2:31 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 2:53 AM | Report abuse

What are you, the forum police?

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Seriously, people. The comments section is to debate the pros/cons of CC's political hypotheses, not your own personal take on whether Candidate A/Candidate B is merely one step shy of the 2nd coming/Satan!

The forum to "debate" (i.e. shout the loudest) such things is elsewhere (think CNN, MSNBC, FOX News, etc.) Save your bloviations for someplace else!

p.s. Of order 7 people across the entire nation are (at best) going to be persuaded to switch their vote based on your "reasoning" or "logic".

p.p.s Lighten up and stay on topic!

Posted by: glowing_plasma | August 22, 2008 2:35 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 2:41 AM | Report abuse

You mean Mccain is a liar, I am shocked.
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PolitiFact.com on OBAMA / REZKO

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/521/

It is true that Obama paid $300,000 less than the asking price for a century-old mansion that he and his wife, Michelle, purchased from a Chicago doctor in 2005 for $1.65-million.

Rezko's wife purchased the lot next door from the same seller Frederic Wondisford.

Seller confirms that Obama"s offer on the house was the best one, and that he rejected two lower offers from the Obamas before the two sides finally settled at $1.65-million.

Seller also confirms that he did not offer or give the Obamas a discount on the house price on the basis of the price offered and accepted on the adjacent vacant lot purchased by Rezko's wife.

McCain's claims that Rezko got Obama a deal on his house is FALSE!! Read the full article from PolitiFact.com.

Posted by: Karen R2008 | August 22, 2008 2:30 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 2:39 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, people. The comments section is to debate the pros/cons of CC's political hypotheses, not your own personal take on whether Candidate A/Candidate B is merely one step shy of the 2nd coming/Satan!

The forum to "debate" (i.e. shout the loudest) such things is elsewhere (think CNN, MSNBC, FOX News, etc.) Save your bloviations for someplace else!

p.s. Of order 7 people across the entire nation are (at best) going to be persuaded to switch their vote based on your "reasoning" or "logic".

p.p.s Lighten up and stay on topic!

Posted by: glowing_plasma | August 22, 2008 2:35 AM | Report abuse

Senility is genetic. Sen. McC's mother is almost 100 years and not senile. Therefore, the possibility Sen. McCain will become senile in the next 8 years is very slim.

Senility is also caused by physically inactive and non-mentally challenging life-style. As we all know Sen. McC lives a physically active and mentally challenging life style.

BTW, if any Obama supporters still want to challenge Sen. McC senility, I suggest you remember the debate between Sen. McC and Sen. Obama. Sen. McC obviously creamed Sen. Obama butt. Sen. Obama was stumbling and fumbling his answers; while, Sen. McC clearly and intelligently answered all questions.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 2:31 AM | Report abuse

PolitiFact.com on OBAMA / REZKO

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/521/

It is true that Obama paid $300,000 less than the asking price for a century-old mansion that he and his wife, Michelle, purchased from a Chicago doctor in 2005 for $1.65-million.

Rezko's wife purchased the lot next door from the same seller Frederic Wondisford.

Seller confirms that Obama"s offer on the house was the best one, and that he rejected two lower offers from the Obamas before the two sides finally settled at $1.65-million.

Seller also confirms that he did not offer or give the Obamas a discount on the house price on the basis of the price offered and accepted on the adjacent vacant lot purchased by Rezko's wife.

McCain's claims that Rezko got Obama a deal on his house is FALSE!! Read the full article from PolitiFact.com.

Posted by: Karen R2008 | August 22, 2008 2:30 AM | Report abuse

Well at least you are allowed to talk about your experiences with McCain. If you were a POW with Obama you wouldn't be allowed to.

Posted by: no_ussa | August 22, 2008 2:28 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 2:27 AM | Report abuse

"Why the Home Debate Matters"

It doesn't.

Posted by: Tom | August 22, 2008 2:18 AM | Report abuse

Why I Will Not Vote for John McCain
Phillip Butler | March 27, 2008
markets himself to be.

Doctor Phillip Butler is a 1961 graduate of the United States Naval Academy and a former light-attack carrier pilot. In 1965 he was shot down over North Vietnam where he spent eight years as a prisoner of war. He is a highly decorated combat veteran who was awarded two Silver Stars, two Legion of Merits, two Bronze Stars and two Purple Heart medals.

After his repatriation in 1973 he earned a Ph.D. in sociology from the University of California at San Diego and became a Navy Organizational Effectiveness consultant. He completed his Navy career in 1981 as a professor of management at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California. He is now a peace and justice activist with Veterans for Peace.

Why I Will Not Vote for John McCain
Phillip Butler | March 27, 2008

As some of you might know, John McCain is a long-time acquaintance of mine that goes way back to our time together at the U.S. Naval Academy and as Prisoners of War in Vietnam. He is a man I respect and admire in some ways. But there are a number of reasons why I will not vote for him for President of the United States.

When I was a Plebe (4th classman, or freshman) at the Naval Academy in 1957-58, I was assigned to the 17th Company for my four years there. In those days we had about 3,600 midshipmen spread among 24 companies, thus about 150 midshipmen to a company. As fortune would have it, John, a First Classman (senior) and his room mate lived directly across the hall from me and my two room mates. Believe me when I say that back then I would never in a million or more years have dreamed that the crazy guy across the hall would someday be a Senator and candidate for President!

John was a wild man. He was funny, with a quick wit and he was intelligent. But he was intent on breaking every USNA regulation in our 4 inch thick USNA Regulations book. And I believe he must have come as close to his goal as any midshipman who ever attended the Academy. John had me "coming around" to his room frequently during my plebe year. And on one occasion he took me with him to escape "over the wall" in the dead of night. He had a taxi cab waiting for us that took us to a bar some 7 miles away. John had a few beers, but forbid me to drink (watching out for me I guess) and made me drink cokes. I could tell many other midshipman stories about John that year and he unbelievably managed to graduate though he spent the majority of his first class year on restriction for the stuff he did get caught doing. In fact he barely managed to graduate, standing 5th from the bottom of his 800 man graduating class. I and many others have speculated that the main reason he did graduate was because his father was an Admiral, and also his grandfather, both U.S. Naval Academy graduates.

People often ask if I was a Prisoner of War with John McCain. My answer is always "No - John McCain was a POW with me." The reason is I was there for 8 years and John got there 2 ½ years later, so he was a POW for 5 ½ years. And we have our own seniority system, based on time as a POW.

John's treatment as a POW:

1) Was he tortured for 5 years? No. He was subjected to torture and maltreatment during his first 2 years, from September of 1967 to September of 1969. After September of 1969 the Vietnamese stopped the torture and gave us increased food and rudimentary health care. Several hundred of us were captured much earlier. I got there April 20, 1965 so my bad treatment period lasted 4 1/2 years. President Ho Chi Minh died on September 9, 1969, and the new regime that replaced him and his policies was more pragmatic. They realized we were worth a lot as bargaining chips if we were alive. And they were right because eventually Americans gave up on the war and agreed to trade our POW's for their country. A damn good trade in my opinion! But my point here is that John allows the media to make him out to be THE hero POW, which he knows is absolutely not true, to further his political goals.

2) John was badly injured when he was shot down. Both arms were broken and he had other wounds from his ejection. Unfortunately this was often the case - new POW's arriving with broken bones and serious combat injuries. Many died from their wounds. Medical care was non-existent to rudimentary. Relief from pain was almost never given and often the wounds were used as an available way to torture the POW. Because John's father was the Naval Commander in the Pacific theater, he was exploited with TV interviews while wounded. These film clips have now been widely seen. But it must be known that many POW's suffered similarly, not just John. And many were similarly exploited for political propaganda.

3) John was offered, and refused, "early release." Many of us were given this offer. It meant speaking out against your country and lying about your treatment to the press. You had to "admit" that the U.S. was criminal and that our treatment was "lenient and humane." So I, like numerous others, refused the offer. This was obviously something none of us could accept. Besides, we were bound by our service regulations, Geneva Conventions and loyalties to refuse early release until all the POW's were released, with the sick and wounded going first.

4) John was awarded a Silver Star and Purple Heart for heroism and wounds in combat. This heroism has been played up in the press and in his various political campaigns. But it should be known that there were approximately 600 military POW's in Vietnam. Among all of us, decorations awarded have recently been totaled to the following: Medals of Honor - 8, Service Crosses - 42, Silver Stars - 590, Bronze Stars - 958 and Purple Hearts - 1,249. John certainly performed courageously and well. But it must be remembered that he was one hero among many - not uniquely so as his campaigns would have people believe.

John McCain served his time as a POW with great courage, loyalty and tenacity. More that 600 of us did the same. After our repatriation a census showed that 95% of us had been tortured at least once. The Vietnamese were quite democratic about it. There were many heroes in North Vietnam. I saw heroism every day there. And we motivated each other to endure and succeed far beyond what any of us thought we had in ourselves. Succeeding as a POW is a group sport, not an individual one. We all supported and encouraged each other to survive and succeed. John knows that. He was not an individual POW hero. He was a POW who surmounted the odds with the help of many comrades, as all of us did.

I furthermore believe that having been a POW is no special qualification for being President of the United States. The two jobs are not the same, and POW experience is not, in my opinion, something I would look for in a presidential candidate.

Most of us who survived that experience are now in our late 60's and 70's. Sadly, we have died and are dying off at a greater rate than our non-POW contemporaries. We experienced injuries and malnutrition that are coming home to roost. So I believe John's age (73) and survival expectation are not good for being elected to serve as our President for 4 or more years.

I can verify that John has an infamous reputation for being a hot head. He has a quick and explosive temper that many have experienced first hand. Folks, quite honestly that is not the finger I want next to that red button.

It is also disappointing to see him take on and support Bush's war in Iraq, even stating we might be there for another 100 years. For me John represents the entrenched and bankrupt policies of Washington-as-usual. The past 7 years have proven to be disastrous for our country. And I believe John's views on war, foreign policy, economics, environment, health care, education, national infrastructure and other important areas are much the same as those of the Bush administration.

I'm disappointed to see John represent himself politically in ways that are not accurate. He is not a moderate Republican. On some issues he is a maverick. But his voting record is far to the right. I fear for his nominations to our Supreme Court, and the consequent continuing loss of individual freedoms, especially regarding moral and religious issues. John is not a religious person, but he has taken every opportunity to ally himself with some really obnoxious and crazy fundamentalist ministers lately. I was also disappointed to see him cozy up to Bush because I know he hates that man. He disingenuously and famously put his arm around the guy, even after Bush had intensely disrespected him with lies and slander. So on these and many other instances, I don't see that John is the "straight talk express" he...

Senator John Sidney McCain, III is a remarkable man who has made enormous personal achievements. And he is a man that I am proud to call a fellow POW who "Returned With Honor." That's our POW motto. But since many of you keep asking what I think of him, I've decided to write it out. In short, I think John Sidney McCain, III is a good man, but not someone I will vote for in the upcoming election to be our President of the United States.

http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,164859_2,00.html

Posted by: don | August 22, 2008 2:18 AM | Report abuse

Why I Will Not Vote for John McCain
Phillip Butler | March 27, 2008
markets himself to be.

Doctor Phillip Butler is a 1961 graduate of the United States Naval Academy and a former light-attack carrier pilot. In 1965 he was shot down over North Vietnam where he spent eight years as a prisoner of war. He is a highly decorated combat veteran who was awarded two Silver Stars, two Legion of Merits, two Bronze Stars and two Purple Heart medals.

After his repatriation in 1973 he earned a Ph.D. in sociology from the University of California at San Diego and became a Navy Organizational Effectiveness consultant. He completed his Navy career in 1981 as a professor of management at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California. He is now a peace and justice activist with Veterans for Peace.

Senator John Sidney McCain, III is a remarkable man who has made enormous personal achievements. And he is a man that I am proud to call a fellow POW who "Returned With Honor." That's our POW motto. But since many of you keep asking what I think of him, I've decided to write it out. In short, I think John Sidney McCain, III is a good man, but not someone I will vote for in the upcoming election to be our President of the United States.

http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,164859_2,00.html

Posted by: don | August 22, 2008 2:17 AM | Report abuse

copy, i don't think the average American earns capital gains, therefore the scare of raising capital gains taxes is unfounded. but because the general electorate is not very smart they fall for the scare tactic.

Posted by: GC4Life | August 22, 2008 2:16 AM | Report abuse

This is a BS issue. The world is going to pot and we're paying attention to this issue?

Face it, you have to be a rich man to run for president, and none of these guys are going to start living under a bridge to empathize with the down trodden.

Enough!

Posted by: Daniel K | August 22, 2008 2:16 AM | Report abuse

It's not going to stick as desperately as you wish it would. People know McCain is rich, have known it for a long time, the race is still neck and neck.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 2:13 AM | Report abuse


John Mccain leader or mad man? You decide.

WASHINGTON — Senator John McCain arrived late at his Senate office on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, just after the first plane hit the World Trade Center. “This is war,” he murmured to his aides. The sound of scrambling fighter planes rattled the windows, sending a tremor of panic through the room.


Erik Jacobs for The New York Times
John McCain said he had consulted Henry A. Kissinger on foreign policy before and after the Sept. 11 attacks.

Within hours, Mr. McCain, the Vietnam War hero and famed straight talker of the 2000 Republican primary, had taken on a new role: the leading advocate of taking the American retaliation against Al Qaeda far beyond Afghanistan. In a marathon of television and radio appearances, Mr. McCain recited a short list of other countries said to support terrorism, invariably including Iraq, Iran and Syria.

“There is a system out there or network, and that network is going to have to be attacked,” Mr. McCain said the next morning on ABC News. “It isn’t just Afghanistan,” he added, on MSNBC. “I don’t think if you got bin Laden tomorrow that the threat has disappeared,” he said on CBS, pointing toward other countries in the Middle East.

Within a month he made clear his priority. “Very obviously Iraq is the first country,” he declared on CNN. By Jan. 2, Mr. McCain was on the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt in the Arabian Sea, yelling to a crowd of sailors and airmen: “Next up, Baghdad!”

Now, as Mr. McCain prepares to accept the Republican presidential nomination, his response to the attacks of Sept. 11 opens a window onto how he might approach the gravest responsibilities of a potential commander in chief. Like many, he immediately recalibrated his assessment of the unseen risks to America’s security. But he also began to suggest that he saw a new “opportunity” to deter other potential foes by punishing not only Al Qaeda but also Iraq.

“Just as Sept. 11 revolutionized our resolve to defeat our enemies, so has it brought into focus the opportunities we now have to secure and expand our freedom,” Mr. McCain told a NATO conference in Munich in early 2002, urging the Europeans to join what he portrayed as an all but certain assault on Saddam Hussein. “A better world is already emerging from the rubble.”

To his admirers, Mr. McCain’s tough response to Sept. 11 is at the heart of his appeal. They argue that he displayed the same decisiveness again last week in his swift calls to penalize Russia for its incursion into Georgia, in part by sending peacekeepers to police its border.

His critics charge that the emotion of Sept. 11 overwhelmed his former cool-eyed caution about deploying American troops without a clear national interest and a well-defined exit, turning him into a tool of the Bush administration in its push for a war to transform the region.

“He has the personality of a fighter pilot: when somebody stings you, you want to strike out,” said retired Gen. John H. Johns, a former friend and supporter of Mr. McCain who turned against him over the Iraq war. “Just like the American people, his reaction was: show me somebody to hit.”

Whether through ideology or instinct, though, Mr. McCain began making his case for invading Iraq to the public more than six months before the White House began to do the same. He drew on principles he learned growing up in a military family and on conclusions he formed as a prisoner in North Vietnam. He also returned to a conviction about “the common identity” of dangerous autocracies as far-flung as Serbia and North Korea that he had developed consulting with hawkish foreign policy thinkers to help sharpen the themes of his 2000 presidential campaign.

While pushing to take on Saddam Hussein, Mr. McCain also made arguments and statements that he may no longer wish to recall. He lauded the war planners he would later criticize, including Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and Vice President Dick Cheney. (Mr. McCain even volunteered that he would have given the same job to Mr. Cheney.) He urged support for the later-discredited Iraqi exile Ahmad Chalabi’s opposition group, the Iraqi National Congress, and echoed some of its suspect accusations in the national media. And he advanced misleading assertions not only about Mr. Hussein’s supposed weapons programs but also about his possible ties to international terrorists, Al Qaeda and the Sept. 11 attacks.

Five years after the invasion of Iraq, Mr. McCain’s supporters note that he became an early critic of the administration’s execution of the occupation, and they credit him with pushing the troop “surge” that helped bring stability. Mr. McCain, though, stands by his support for the war and expresses no regrets about his advocacy.

In written answers to questions, he blamed “Iraq’s opacity under Saddam” for any misleading remarks he made about the peril it posed.

The Sept. 11 attacks “demonstrated the grave threat posed by a hostile regime, possessing weapons of mass destruction, and with reported ties to terrorists,” Mr. McCain wrote in an e-mail message on Friday. Given Mr. Hussein’s history of pursuing illegal weapons and his avowed hostility to the United States, “his regime posed a threat we had to take seriously.” The attacks were still a reminder, Mr. McCain added, of the importance of international action “to prevent outlaw states — like Iran today — from developing weapons of mass destruction.”

Formative Years

Mr. McCain has been debating questions about the use of military force far longer than most. He grew up in a family that had sent a son to every American war since 1776, and international relations were a staple of the McCain family dinner table. Mr. McCain grew up listening to his father, Adm. John S. McCain Jr., deliver lectures on “The Four Ocean Navy and the Soviet Threat,” closing with a slide of an image he considered the ultimate factor in the balance of power: a soldier marching through a rice paddy with a rifle at his shoulder.

“To quote Sherman, war is all hell and we need to fight it out and get it over with and that is when the killing stops,” recalled Joe McCain, Senator McCain’s younger brother.

Vietnam, for Senator McCain, reinforced those lessons. He has often said he blamed the Johnson administration’s pause in bombing for prolonging the war, and he credited President Richard M. Nixon’s renewed attacks with securing his release from a North Vietnamese prison. He has made the principle that the exercise of military power sets the bargaining table for international relations a consistent theme of his career ever since, and in his 2002 memoir he wrote that one of his lifelong convictions was “the imperative that American power never retreat in response to an inferior adversary’s provocation.”


But Mr. McCain also took away from Vietnam a second, restraining lesson: the necessity for broad domestic support for any military action. For years he opposed a string of interventions — in Lebanon, Haiti, Somalia, and, for a time, the Balkans — on the grounds that the public would balk at the loss of life without clear national interests. “The Vietnam thing,” he recently said.

In the late 1990s, however, while he was beginning to consider his 2000 presidential race, he started rebalancing his view of the needs to project American strength and to sustain public support. The 1995 massacre of 5,000 unarmed Bosnian Muslims at Srebrenica under NATO’s watch struck at his conscience, he has said, and in addition to America’s strategic national interests — in that case, the future and credibility of NATO — Mr. McCain began to speak more expansively about America’s moral obligations as the only remaining superpower.

His aides say he later described the American air strikes in Bosnia in 1996 and in Kosovo in 1999 as a parable of political leadership: Mr. McCain, Senator Bob Dole and others had rallied Congressional support for the strikes despite widespread public opposition, then watched approval soar after the intervention helped to bring peace.

“Americans elect their leaders to make these kinds of judgments,” Mr. McCain said in the e-mail message.

It was during the Balkan wars that Mr. McCain and his advisers read a 1997 article on the Wall Street Journal editorial page by William Kristol and David Brooks of The Weekly Standard — both now Op-Ed page columnists at The New York Times — promoting the idea of “national greatness” conservatism, defined by a more activist agenda at home and a more muscular role in the world.

“I wouldn’t call it a ‘eureka’ moment, but there was a sense that this is where we are headed and this is what we are trying to articulate and they have already done a lot of the work,” said John Weaver, a former McCain political adviser. “And, quite frankly, from a crass political point of view, we were in the making-friends business. The Weekly Standard represented a part of the primary electorate that we could get.”

Soon Mr. McCain and his aides were consulting regularly with the circle of hawkish foreign policy thinkers sometimes referred to as neoconservatives — including Mr. Kristol, Robert Kagan and Randy Scheunemann, a former aide to Mr. Dole who became a McCain campaign adviser — to develop the senator’s foreign policy ideas and instincts into the broad themes of a presidential campaign. (In his e-mail message, Mr. McCain noted that he had also consulted with friends like Henry A. Kissinger, known for a narrower view of American interests.)

One result was a series of speeches in which Mr. McCain called for “rogue state rollback.” He argued that disparate regional troublemakers, including Iraq, North Korea and Serbia, bore a common stamp: they were all autocracies. And as such, he contended, they were more likely to export terrorism, spread dangerous weapons, or start ethnic conflicts. In an early outline of what would become his initial response to the Sept. 11 attacks, Mr. McCain argued that “swift and sure” retribution against any one of the rogue states was an essential deterrent to any of the others. But Mr. McCain’s advisers and aides say his “rogue state” speeches stopped short of the most sweeping international agenda put forth by Mr. Kristol, Mr. Kagan and their allies. Mr. McCain explicitly disavowed direct military action merely to advance American values, foreswearing any “global crusade” of interventions in favor of relying on covert and financial support for internal opposition groups.

As an example, he could point to his 1998 sponsorship of the Iraqi Liberation Act, which sought to direct nearly $100 million to Iraqis who hoped to overthrow Saddam Hussein. The bill, signed by President Bill Clinton, also endorsed the ouster of Mr. Hussein.

Mr. McCain said then that he doubted the United States could muster the political will to use ground troops to remove the Iraqi dictator any time soon. “It was much easier when Saddam Hussein was occupying Kuwait and threatening Saudi Arabia,” the senator told Fox News in November 1998. “We’d have to convince the American people that it’s worth again the sacrifice of American lives, because that would also be part of the price.”

Hard Calls

Mr. McCain spent the afternoon of Sept. 11 in a young aide’s studio apartment near the Capitol. There was no cable television, nothing but water in the kitchen, and the hallway reminded him of an old boxing gym. Evacuated from his office but stranded by traffic, he could not resist imagining himself at the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue. “There are not enough Secret Service agents in the world to keep me away from Washington and New York at a time like this,” Mr. McCain told an adviser.


Over the next days and weeks, however, Mr. McCain became almost as visible as he would have been as president. Broadcasters rushed to him as a patriotic icon and reassuring voice, and for weeks he was ubiquitous on the morning news programs, Sunday talk shows, cable news networks, and even late-night comedy shows.

In the spotlight, he pushed rogue state rollback one step further, arguing that the United States should go on the offensive as a warning to any other country that might condone such an attack. “These networks are well-embedded in some of these countries,” Mr. McCain said on Sept. 12, listing Iraq, Iran and Syria as potential targets of United States pressure. “We’re going to have to prove to them that we are very serious, and the price that they will pay will not only be for punishment but also deterrence.”

Although he had campaigned for President Bush during the 2000 general election, he was still largely frozen out of the White House because of animosities left over from the Republican primary. But after Mr. Bush declared he would hold responsible any country condoning terrorism, Mr. McCain called his leadership “magnificent” and his national security team the strongest “that has ever been assembled.” A few weeks later, Larry King of CNN asked whether he would have named Mr. Rumsfeld and Colin L. Powell to a McCain cabinet. “Oh, yes, and Cheney,” Mr. McCain answered, saying he, too, would have offered Mr. Cheney the vice presidency.

Even during the heat of the war in Afghanistan, Mr. McCain kept an eye on Iraq. To Jay Leno in mid-September, Mr. McCain said he believed “some other countries” had assisted Osama bin Laden, going on to suggest Iraq, Syria and Iran as potential suspects. In October 2001, when an Op-Ed page column in The New York Times speculated that Iraq, Russia or some other country might bear responsibility for that month’s anthrax mailings, Mr. McCain interrupted a question about Afghanistan from David Letterman on that night’s “Late Show.” “The second phase is Iraq,” Mr. McCain said, adding, “Some of this anthrax may — and I emphasize may — have come from Iraq.” (The Federal Bureau of Investigation says it came from a federal government laboratory in Maryland.) By October, United States and foreign intelligence agencies had said publicly that they doubted any cooperation between Mr. Hussein and Al Qaeda, noting Al Qaeda’s opposition to such secular nationalists. American intelligence officials soon declared that Mr. Hussein had not supported international terrorism for nearly a decade.

But when the Czech government said that before the attacks, one of the 9/11 hijackers had met in Prague with an Iraqi intelligence official, Mr. McCain seized the report as something close to a smoking gun. “The evidence is very clear,” he said three days later, in an Oct. 29 television interview. (Intelligence agencies quickly cast doubt on the meeting.)

Frustrated by the dearth of American intelligence about Iraq, Mr. McCain’s aides say, he had long sought to learn as much as he could from Iraqi opposition figures in exile, including Mr. Chalabi of the Iraqi National Congress. Over the years, Mr. McCain often urged support for the group, saying it had “significant support, in my view, inside Iraq.”

After Sept. 11, Mr. Chalabi’s group said an Iraqi emissary had once met with Osama bin Laden, and brought forward two Iraqi defectors who described terrorist training camps and biological weapons efforts. At times, Mr. McCain seemed to echo their accusations, citing the “two defectors” in a television interview and attesting to “credible reports of involvement between Iraqi administration officials, Iraqi officials and the terrorists.”

Growing Impatient

But United States intelligence officials had doubts about Mr. Chalabi at the time and have since discredited his group. In 2006, Mr. McCain acknowledged to The New Republic that he had been “too enamored with the I.N.C.” In his e-mail message, though, he said he never relied on the group for information about Iraq’s weapons program.

At a European security conference in February 2002, when the Bush administration still publicly maintained that it had made no decision about moving against Iraq, Mr. McCain described an invasion as all but certain. “A terrorist resides in Baghdad,” he said, adding, “A day of reckoning is approaching.”

Regime change in Iraq in addition to Afghanistan, he argued, would compel other sponsors of terrorism to mend their ways, “accomplishing by example what we would otherwise have to pursue through force of arms.”

Finally, as American troops massed in the Persian Gulf in early 2003, Mr. McCain grew impatient, his aides say, concerned that the White House was failing to act as the hot desert summer neared. Waiting, he warned in a speech in Washington, risked squandering the public and international support aroused by Sept. 11. “Does anyone really believe that the world’s will to contain Saddam won’t eventually collapse as utterly as it did in the 1990s?” Mr. McCain asked.

In retrospect, some of Mr. McCain’s critics now accuse him of looking for a pretext to justify the war. “McCain was hell-bent for leather: ‘Saddam Hussein is a bad guy, we have got to teach him, let’s send a message to the other people in the Middle East,’ ” said Senator John Kerry, Democrat of Massachusetts.

But Mr. McCain, in his e-mail message, said the reason he had supported the war was the evolving threat from Mr. Hussein.

“I believe voters elect their leaders based on their experience and judgment — their ability to make hard calls, for instance, on matters of war and peace,” he wrote. “It’s important to get them right.”

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 2:05 AM | Report abuse

What email did you copy and paste that bunch of crap from? Do you actually have an original thought on the subject?

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Why do people not trust Obama on the economy?

1. He opposes a comprehensive energy policy and denies the first law of economics. He opposes drilling offshore and nuclear power. He claims increasing energy supply will not reduce price or at least mitigate an increase. He does not realize that all increases in production are not equal. When supply is tight, a small increase can provide the necessary slack to reduce the legitimate speculative concern over supply disruption and thus price.

2. He said he would increase the capital gains tax even it resulted in reduced revenue because of fairness and capital gains not being as earned as income from labor. I guess he really wants to stick to all those people with a pension fund or 401K and those fat cat home owners.

3. He wants to introduce a play or pay health care system that would impose a cost of $12,000 per annum on small employers who currently don't provide health insurance for every worker with a family. Now that's what we need to encourage employment.

4. He wants to raise taxes on the "rich", while further eroding the tax base, turning us into a nation of two classes, tax payers and welfare recipients. Redistribution of wealth is still redistribution of wealth no matter what language you dress it in.

5. He wants to massively expand "civil rights" legislation to groups and in ways that are inappropriate and would result in a flood of litigation.

6. I could keep going, but the Olympics are on, but suffice it to say Americans are on to something in not trusting Obama on the economy. As for trusting McCain, as McCain pointed out, it wasn't taxes that were the problem in American fiscal policy, it was out of control spending. Now who do you really think will do a better job on that?

Posted by: copy | August 22, 2008 1:54 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 1:58 AM | Report abuse

People don't change, Since they were married John Mccain has just lived off his wife like he did his family when he was young. Even his political career was bought for him. He has "NEVER" in his life personally created, built, or accomplished anything on his own. If he had been born into the circumstances of Obama he would have just lived a life on welfare and died of drugs and alcohol. Hell, he has already spent most of his life as an alcoholic as it is. Please, tell me what business he has built or anything he has ever accomplished on his own? Even with no responsibilities, no pressures and everything being paid for, the best he could do in school was to finish 894 out of a class of 899. My God, you can;t want this man for your president. Wake up. he wasn't even smart enough to raise the money to run for president with out his wife giving him an allowance. Jesus H Christ, step back and look at this man you want to vote for, is there something wrong with you people.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 1:55 AM | Report abuse

Why do people not trust Obama on the economy?

1. He opposes a comprehensive energy policy and denies the first law of economics. He opposes drilling offshore and nuclear power. He claims increasing energy supply will not reduce price or at least mitigate an increase. He does not realize that all increases in production are not equal. When supply is tight, a small increase can provide the necessary slack to reduce the legitimate speculative concern over supply disruption and thus price.

2. He said he would increase the capital gains tax even it resulted in reduced revenue because of fairness and capital gains not being as earned as income from labor. I guess he really wants to stick to all those people with a pension fund or 401K and those fat cat home owners.

3. He wants to introduce a play or pay health care system that would impose a cost of $12,000 per annum on small employers who currently don't provide health insurance for every worker with a family. Now that's what we need to encourage employment.

4. He wants to raise taxes on the "rich", while further eroding the tax base, turning us into a nation of two classes, tax payers and welfare recipients. Redistribution of wealth is still redistribution of wealth no matter what language you dress it in.

5. He wants to massively expand "civil rights" legislation to groups and in ways that are inappropriate and would result in a flood of litigation.

6. I could keep going, but the Olympics are on, but suffice it to say Americans are on to something in not trusting Obama on the economy. As for trusting McCain, as McCain pointed out, it wasn't taxes that were the problem in American fiscal policy, it was out of control spending. Now who do you really think will do a better job on that?

Posted by: copy | August 22, 2008 1:54 AM | Report abuse

What he said was. "I have been campaigning all over the country and have been to 57" and before saying anything else said " I mean 47 of the 50 states" Thats all he said.

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"I also don't like the fact that Obama doesn't even know how many states make up the United States of America. How can someone run for President think that there are 57 states that make up the U.S.?"
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The real question is, how can someone think that someone running for President think that there are 57 states in the US?

No one actually thinks that. Anytime someone gives that as a reason, its either blind partisanship or racism. This person claims to have voted Democrat in the last three presidential elections, so process of elimination prevails.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 22, 2008 1:45 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 1:53 AM | Report abuse

"I also don't like the fact that Obama doesn't even know how many states make up the United States of America. How can someone run for President think that there are 57 states that make up the U.S.?"

The real question is, how can someone think that someone running for President think that there are 57 states in the US?

No one actually thinks that. Anytime someone gives that as a reason, its either blind partisanship or racism. This person claims to have voted Democrat in the last three presidential elections, so process of elimination prevails.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 22, 2008 1:45 AM | Report abuse

McCain is out of touch, remember he and his wife forgot to pay their property taxes for four years. Now, McCain does not know how many homes he owns. His lack of response to a simple question makes people think he was not in a cone of silent during the town hall with Obama and pastor Warren.

Posted by: Regina | August 22, 2008 1:42 AM | Report abuse

To Ryan; Obama was not raised in a privileged home. His mother was on food stamps and his grandparents helped raise him.Him and his wife just paid off their student loans a couple of years ago. Mrs.McCain is not a realtor ,her family owns a beer disturbing company.The houses they buy are for them.If you want your daughters to have a better life you had better find out what the truth is.
Connie from Indiana

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 1:22 AM | Report abuse

Right, Connie! The candidate no one knows is the one between John McCain's right ear and his left ear. It's frightening.

Posted by: Ellen | August 22, 2008 1:20 AM | Report abuse

No, Ryan,

Barack Obama has not led a life of privilege. He's earned where he is and that's why he does in fact understand what we're up against. I wish I could send you a copy of his autobiography, written long before he ran for president.

Posted by: Ellen | August 22, 2008 1:17 AM | Report abuse

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070702-2.html

PRESIDENT BUSH: I think we'll see each other in Australia. Secondly, I know we'll be talking on the phone, because there's a lot of issues that we are working together on, which is part of the legacy of this relationship, and that is that it's in the U.S. interest to keep close relations with Russia; and that when it comes to confronting real threats, such as nuclear proliferation or the threat of radicalism and extremism, Russia is a good, solid partner.


Hmmm. Two small threats or three big ones? McCain is such a tool.

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 22, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse

The point has been missed all night , the number of homes McSenile owns was not the problem,it's that he was not able to answer the question correctly, he was befuddled.Connie from Indiana

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse

Katz66.

The Obamas bought their home without any assistance from Rezko. They bought a strip of his property **at full market value** and would be better off not having touched the man, but they did no wrong.

And they know they own one home.

Posted by: Hyde Parker | August 22, 2008 1:11 AM | Report abuse

KATZ -- McCain screwed up and had another senior moment (raising fist at Leiberman, "where were you when I needed you??") and he is gonna feel it a little bit. So what? Suck it up. This is not torture, you know, just enhanced campaigning.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 1:11 AM | Report abuse

I LOVE YOU WROTE:
Obviously, Sen. McCain was being cautious; he wants to give correct answers, and non-instantaneous answers.

What kind of crazy excuse is this! What do you mean he has to think about it and give a ery carefull answer. He was asked about houses, he was'nt asked how many baseball cards he owns. Houses are very big things that I don't think one would get confused over; unless you are very rich and you have more houses than most of us need, or you sometimes forget things. Things like where a country is that is next to a country that America is envolved in war in. Or how exactly your wife got her daughter.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

hey democrats....so sad Obama has led a life of privilage just has mccain and 90 percent of all other policticians. Mccain didnt know how many houses he owns because his wife is a real estate agent and buys and sells houses for investments. Dont forget your golden boy bill clinton who charges upwards of a million dollars for speaken engagements or the other millionair democrats lining ther pockets with lobbiest money. So who cares!!! no democrat or rebublican live like me, i work two jobs total of 70 hrs a week to provide for my wife and 5 little girls. Lets see ole NObama or Mccain walk a mile in most of our shoes. I dont care how much money these two chumps have or what they spend it on lets stick to the issues because we all know there are plenty of them

Posted by: ryan | August 22, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse

to;im4freedom: McSenile got to come home over 4100 of our brave men women did not get that chance and McSenile is a warmonger who voted for the Iraq war and with his arrogants he will get us in to other conflicts. He is old and out of touch.Connie from Indiana

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 1:07 AM | Report abuse

The number of houses owned by John and/or Cindy McCain is irrelevant. It is, however, relevant that one or the other of them paid for the property without the assistance of a crooked slum lord. Is the best 'distraction' B. Hussein can conjure up?

Posted by: KATZ66 | August 22, 2008 1:05 AM | Report abuse

B. Hussein's brother lives in a thatched roofed mud hut? So what? In a perpetually warm climate not much more is necessary, is it? Not for someone not addicted to gadgets. A guy used to living a simple, quiet life doesn't need, perhaps even wouldn't want, a fancy house and all the distracting, noise-making trivia, such as TV to which we're used.

Because some of us could hardly get along without our PC, Iphone, Blackberry or whatever doesn't mean someone else cannot live quite comfortably without them.

Posted by: Banshee5 | August 22, 2008 1:04 AM | Report abuse

If you listen he was confused and non responsive. He was not capable of answering, senior moment. He can't answer a question he doesn't have a rehearsed answer for.
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Obviously, Sen. McCain was being cautious; he wants to give correct answers, and non-instantaneous answers.

Posted by: I LoveYou | August 22, 2008 12:58 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 1:03 AM | Report abuse

Final thought,

If Islamic Extremism and Nuclear Proliferation are the biggest threats to Western Civilization, then we are we playing games with the Russians, who aren't likely to bomb us and who have good intel that can help us prevent the two big threats?

Do we want two small threats, or three big ones?

McCain is either nuts or he's in the tank for a corrupt, lying, greedy military industrial complex that cares less about the blood of the young than corporate profits and stock options. Or both.

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 22, 2008 1:02 AM | Report abuse

But "im4freedom," being a prisoner of war, with all respect, is not what most of us face. This doesn't translate.

What does Mr. McCain understand of the typical American struggle to own one home, pay one mortgage? not much, it appears.

Posted by: Ellen | August 22, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse


JOHN MCCAIN, TRAITOR TO HIS COUNTRY, COLLABORATOR WITH THE ENEMY, MILITARY DISGRACE.

Ted Sampley, a Vietnam Veteran and former Green Beret, issued a CHALLENGE to John McCain "If you can show us that the information presented in our mailer is untruthful . . . we will Stand Down" This CHALLENGE was issued during an interview with INSIDE EDITION on January 17, 2008.
John, family members of Vietnam POW/MIA(s) have been waiting for more then 14 years for you to have the courage to face them eye to eye in front of the American Public - Here is your opportunity for some "STRAIGHT TALK." Stop hiding behind your fabricated "War Hero" persona. You know we can prove your collaborations with declassified government documents . . . It is time for the American people to get to know the REAL John McCain - the John McCain that the POW/MIA families witnessed during the 1991-93 US Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs .
Bring It On John! HERE IS OUR NUMBER 252-527-0442
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People are saying McCain is out of touch with regular Americans? His time as a POW made him learn what it is like to be poor. He has lived in some of the most horrific places and learned to be grateful for food and water. He was starved and beaten, and lived in dirty places with only a dirt floor and 4 walls with no protection from the elements. So when people say he is "out of touch" it is far from the truth no matter how much money he has or houses he owns. McCain is the most likely to be able to relate to what people are suffering due to the fact that he has suffered and been through more than we can even imagine.

Posted by: im4freedom | August 22, 2008 12:50 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Obviously, Sen. McCain was being cautious; he wants to give correct answers, and non-instantaneous answers.

Posted by: I LoveYou | August 22, 2008 12:58 AM | Report abuse

im4freedom -- Dude, that was 35 years ago. He was shot down because he went into an area where he was told not to go. He was disobeying orders -- "being a maverick" -- or probably just rebellious. All that stuff about refusing to be let go ahead of all the other POWs -- that was the code of honor for all of them, 1st in, first out. Can you imagine what his father (an admiral) and country would have done to him if he did jump ahead?? That was a no brainer.

Posted by: Sue | August 22, 2008 12:57 AM | Report abuse

JB.

Have you actually read the story in the London Telegraph? George Obama credits his half-brother with inspiring him to turn his life around. What do you know about whatever relationship they may have?

Posted by: Hyde Parker | August 22, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

People are saying McCain is out of touch with regular Americans? His time as a POW made him learn what it is like to be poor. He has lived in some of the most horrific places and learned to be grateful for food and water. He was starved and beaten, and lived in dirty places with only a dirt floor and 4 walls with no protection from the elements. So when people say he is "out of touch" it is far from the truth no matter how much money he has or houses he owns. McCain is the most likely to be able to relate to what people are suffering due to the fact that he has suffered and been through more than we can even imagine.

Posted by: im4freedom | August 22, 2008 12:50 AM | Report abuse

I meant Bush had an exit strategy for Vietnam. I'm tired, going to bed. God bless you all, yes, even our lying, cheating, and thieving Republican politicians.

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 22, 2008 12:50 AM | Report abuse

""They're nothing but talk, full of "If I wanted to, I could be a greater war hero than John McCain"--not if you're too gutless to wear Uncle Sam's uniform, let alone doing your best to dodge a shooting war.""


Banshee -- I am a bit curious. As a Peace Corp volunteer, which military uniform did you wear? Also, what part of "peace corp" causes your obvious internal conflict? Maybe you should have gone to war instead? You know, like real men and women do, instead of some wussie liberal, JFK outfit like the Peace Corp?

Posted by: Sue | August 22, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

You know the difference between Vietnam and Iraq? Bush had an exit strategy for Iraq.

That's why McCain is lying through his teeth when he says he knows how to win the Iraq war. Not only has he never defined victory, but it is also impossible for us to win another country's civil war.

McCain wants to stay in Iraq until no more Americans are getting killed, no matter how long it takes and how many Americans get killed achieving that goal -- that is, the goal of not getting any more Americans killed. And once that goal is achieved, we'll stay.

Love the logic. Almost as compelling as, hey, let's spend $2 trillion to install a democracy in an Arab land where they hate us and would vote us out of their country in a heartbeat- and not give us preferential pricing for their oil.

Intelligence really does matter.

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 22, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Bruno: Mrs. Clinton I am sure will serve in Obama's administration.We are all bitter because of the last 7/12 years and I believe we don't know what bitter is if we elect Bush's twin John McSeniel. I am proud that the Dems have the donkey,Jesus did not ride on an elephant.Connie from Indiana

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

I believe Iraq is about to explode You will see record americans dead. The surge was a joke all it did was keep the lid on a little but in reality accomplished nothing. By the election it may be a nightmare. I guess Mccain will begin preaching we need a draft now as we have no one left to fight they are stretched so thin. We are already sending store clerks over there now. We are out of real soldiers.

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Looks like the Iraq could erupt in Sunni-Shia violence again.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/iraq/story/49538.html

The Republicans have, characteristically, lied and told people that the surge in US forces is what turned the tide in Iraq, when in fact it was in fact the surge in bribes that we, the taxpayers, paid the Sunnis. (N.B. Al Qaeda are Sunni). And we aren't going to pay these people $300 a month forever, and the Shias don't trust them enough to incorporate them into the security force, so that was never a long-term strategy. What now? If it's civil war, how do we 'win' another country's civil war? This could get ugly fast.

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 22, 2008 12:29 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

Hyde Parker, I know his half-brother lives in a shack while Obama enjoys his mansion.

Yet he still wants to take more of my money for complete strangers.

When this man steps up to the plate and takes care of his own family, then he can come talk to me. Until then, the hypocrite needs to shut up.

Posted by: JB | August 22, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

With all due, respect Bruno.

Barack Obama is neither a loser nor a victim.

Posted by: Ellen | August 22, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Good for Obama..with weeks of attacks against him, and with him trying to get people to focus on issues, he finally realizes people like a fight...sad, but true and they want you to fight for them. McCain/Bush people play the POW card anytime you say anything about McCain no matter what it is and it is getting really old and is starting to deminish McCain's character. His 2000 position to not make POW an issue was a good one..now he is kissing up to people who trashed\disrespected him and his family in 2008. A lot of people don't realize that. If you don't fight for your own family, you won't fight for mine. 2000 McCain might have won this election or at least loss with honor. 2008 McCain win or lose has lost his character and appeal. Obama08

Posted by: DT | August 22, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

In search of the truth. Mccain didn't say how many houses he has is a sign of being out of touch. who doesn't know how many homes they own. Especially if its investments. If Mccain isn't on top of his personal affairs and business how could be turn fix the budget in his first term. It was Mccain who said he didn't love his country until he became a prisoner of war. Mccain is an elitist he owns 7 homes, his wife spends $750,000 a month, he can take his wifes private jet to fly around the states, but he wants us to believe that he would balance the budget in his first term. Mccain tax plan is for people like him not ordinary Americans. Mccain is not and will never be or understand middle America. When did Mccain ever struggle besides being in a prison camp? Mccain was always well off. Period. Mccain has no idea what its like losing your job or your home and his policies reflect that.

Posted by: Larry | August 22, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Bless you, Hoosier Connie.

You took the words out of my mouth. There are many of us who have never been prouder to be Americans. And just wait until November when we can hold our heads high in the world again.

Posted by: Hyde Parker | August 22, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

llewis40 - You know what happened to Robert Kennedy....Enough said. There are other blacks...much more qualified and classier, than this loser, to become President. Powell is one of them. Although he is not a Democrat, I would vote for him. Stop playing the race card. Its not about that. Stop being a victim like jackson and sharpton and start being like Tiger Woods and positive. I am a black, and I do not whine like Jackson and sharpton about what is owed to me. I admire Powell, Tiger woods and tell my kids to be like them.

Connie from Indiana - get with the program my dear...I am one of those 'Bitter' people. I do cling to my religion and faith and am very proud of it. I love my guns and I will never vote for this elitist pot smoking loser.

My party is not what it was. The leaders, Pelosi, Reed are weak. They nominate losers...who do not know how to fight and win. Congress has the lowest rating and we are a majority. They cannot pass anything. Republicans out smart them.

So get with it...With folks like you supporting losers like Obama, Kerry, Dukakis, Pelosi, Reed...No wonder this party thinks and acts like its Symbol...A DONKEY.

Until we get fighters like the Clintons, who have a backbone, we will never win.

Posted by: Bruno | August 22, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Looks like the Iraq could erupt in Sunni-Shia violence again.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/iraq/story/49538.html

The Republicans have, characteristically, lied and told people that the surge in US forces is what turned the tide in Iraq, when in fact it was in fact the surge in bribes that we, the taxpayers, paid the Sunnis. (N.B. Al Qaeda are Sunni). And we aren't going to pay these people $300 a month forever, and the Shias don't trust them enough to incorporate them into the security force, so that was never a long-term strategy. What now? If it's civil war, how do we 'win' another country's civil war? This could get ugly fast.

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 22, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

InSearch,

Come on! Watch the video==the man didn't know how many houses he had.

Out of touch several times over.

Posted by: Ellen | August 22, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

In Search of the Truth: I believe you need to re roll the tape, Mrs.Obama said for the first time in my adult life I am "really" proud of my country.I also read were John McSenile said when he was a POW ,was when he first knew he loved his country. Is there a difference? For the first time in my adult life I am really proud of my country for the chance to elect a women or a black president, we have already had an old president.Connie from Indiana

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Mohamend,

You must be kidding weeping about the plight of the "poor African/American." Evidently, you don't realize that the African/American has a very soft Life in comparison to the lives of most real Africans. Didn't you pay heed to the comment of Cassius Clay upon his return to America after he took a trip to Africa? What he said was, "Thank God my Grandaddy got on that boat."

Because I lived & worked in bush West Africa I realize what he said was intelligent and rational.

Posted by: Banshee5 | August 22, 2008 12:23 AM | Report abuse

Mccain doesn't understand and he never will understand the middle class. He doesn't live like middle America and he never will. Mccain is definately out of touch and he's only running to be a war president and stay in Iraq as long as he can.

Posted by: Barry | August 22, 2008 12:23 AM | Report abuse

Hey, J,

Since we're friends I can break it to you easy. Today's Fox (Fox!!) Poll results have Obama 42%-39%. A month ago it was 41%-40%.

Trending.

Posted by: Ellen | August 22, 2008 12:23 AM | Report abuse

This is a mixture of disaster for our economy. Mccain doesn't understand economics, then he has a advisor who thinks we are in a mental recession, and think of middle America as a nation of whinners. Mccain is so rich that he doesn't even remember how many homes he owns and this is the man were supposed to think will balance the budget in his first term. Mccain can't keep up with his own wealth let alone the nations problems. Everybody needs to look pass Mccains' rehtoric and tough talk and you'll find a man who has been in the senate for 26 years and knows little or nothing. Mccain would be worst than Bush.

Posted by: Dave Mendel | August 22, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

let's turn the table, tell me how clinton would ever get elected without blacks behind her

Posted by: lamont | August 21, 2008 2:41 PM

Easily.

Posted by: skinsfanmoyo | August 22, 2008 12:18 AM | Report abuse

llewis40 - I don't believe McCain is elitist because he said didn't know how many houses he had. Instead, I see it as him trying not to rub it in our faces about how many his wife owns. Instead of what he said, he should have just said that he had "a few" or "several." I'm not going to begrudge him because he didn't use those better adjectives.

You have to admit though, Obama is an elitist for ridiculing people like me who "cling to guns, religion, and anti-immigration" to his San Francisco friends. And then Michelle Obama saying that this is the first she's been proud of America now that her husband was running for president. I guess the fact that we beat Hitler in World War II and many other good things meant little or nothing to her. That's self-centered of her to only be proud of the U.S. only now when it benefits her and her husband.

Posted by: InSearchOfTruth | August 22, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Come off it, inSearch,

It's a matter of public record that Obama has called Ludacris's most recent raps "outrageously offensive".

Even you couldn't say it plainer than that, could you?

Posted by: Hyde Parker | August 22, 2008 12:16 AM | Report abuse

J,

It's early, Reagan's numbers didn't improve until after the debates. Here's a good article for you, written by a conservative.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/njmagazine/cr_20080628_6561.php

Anyhow, Obama was down 20pts to Hillary on Jan1 and then made his move. This thing doesn't get serious until after the convention. And Obama will likely have a 3-1 financial advantage, a huge ground game advantage, and you had better believe that young and black voters, who will be coming out in historical numbers, will add another 4pts on to all these polls which are based on traditional turnouts. And if McCain takes Romney, which is the current rumor, Obama is winning Georgia.

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 22, 2008 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Can you imagine what the Rove hacks working for McCain would be doing right now if the Democratic candidate did NOT EVEN HAVE A CLUE HOW MANY HOUSES HIS HEIRESS 2ND WIFE HAS BOUGHT FOR THEM?

It is disgusting how easily the GOP propaganda machine can pull the wool over the eyes of so many Americans, just by pushing a few "hot buttons".

Anyone who thinks McCain has a clue how most Americans live is delusional. The GOP doesn't share the values of the vast majority of Americans. They just manipulate the population to secure power, so they can loot the nation's resources while neglecting the nation's infrastructure.

How comfortable are you driving over those interstate highway bridges, after the Minnesota disaster? How's that New Orleans rebuilding effort going? Did you know Haliburton paid Cheney $35 Million in "severance" just a few months before he started directing billions of dollars in no bid military contracts to Haliburton?

Wake up, suckers.

Posted by: Steve37b2 | August 22, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Corruption Anon:

I'm glad you have a nice life.

Now back to Election 08.

When I saw the Reuters/Zogby poll numbers yesterday, it had the WOW factor. In July Obama was leading by 7%, now in Aug 08 McCain's leading by 5%. That's a 12 point swing.

Reuters/Zogby during the Primaries was always the closest pollster to the actual results. Several times they were on the money. That 5 point lead speaks volumes.

You've heard the story of the turtoise(McCain) and the hare (Obama). Well, the race is starting to heat up.

Posted by: J | August 22, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Bruno: If you Love my God you need to capitalize. I am glad you can afford more than KOOL-AID.To In Search of Truth; clinging to religion , every time we have tragic events in the world or in our lives we do cling to religion. I have heard several presidents call for the Americans to pray and OH! I forgot George wanted us to go shopping after 9-11.Connie from Indiana

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Of course McCain is an elitist jerk who was born into wealth and privilege.

That's obvious and well-documented. So here's something more useful:

I know it's hard for average Americans to keep track of the endless stream of Republican perverts, criminals, and scandals.

So as a public service, republicanoffenders (website) provides a long, long, long list of Republican criminals from the past ten years...nicely organized by category (pedophiles, drugs/prostitution, corruption/bribery, rape, lewd conduct, assorted felonies, fraud/embezzlement etc etc etc).

Looks like only about 400 or so Republicans listed...so it's obviously a work in progress.

Posted by: wilder5121 | August 22, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

BUT WILL THE ELECTION EVEN MATTER? Not when government-supported "vigilante injustice" squads are "gang stalking" American citizens, making a mockery of the rule of law:
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/get-political-vic-livingston-opinion-expose-state-supported-vigilante-squads-doing-domestic-terrorism

WHAT IF THEY COULD SHOOT YOU
WITHOUT LEAVING A TRACE? THEY CAN.
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/zap-have-you-been-targeted-directed-energy-weapon-victims-organized-gang-stalking-say-its-happening-usa-1


Posted by: "It Can't Happen Here" - can it? | August 22, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of thc company Obama has kept, did you hear he has praised Ludacris in the past only for Ludacris to write and perform the Ludacris Obama song?

"Ludacris Wants Voters to Paint White House Black"

"Rapper Disses Disabled, Disrespects Woman, Supports Obama; Par for the Course?"

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/920371/ludacris_wants_voters_to_paint_white.html?cat=33

If this is the kind of change Barack Obama wants is to paint the White House black, then I do NOT want that kind of change!

Posted by: InSearchOfTruth | August 22, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Well Bruno

all I can tell you is OBAMA will be elected president Nov.4th.

History. Earth shattering American history is about to be made in less then three months.

Robert Kennedy said that he belived in forty years time that a negro would be elected president. And that's about to happen.

best to just jump on and ride it or step back and observe Bruno. Its a foregone conclusion.

Posted by: llewis40 | August 22, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

And J, though I fundamentally disagree with much of what you write, what the heck? I'll gladly be your friend too. At 60 I'm pre-middle age, right?

Posted by: Ellen | August 22, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

A possible future McCain ad:

[Fade in image of Whitehouse, cue deep voice narator] With Rezko in prison, who is helping Obama buy this mansion?

McCain '08

Posted by: Cecil | August 22, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

McCain made a mild blunder. He should have just led with the straight fact he owned none of the houses. But when you do that then you have to delve into the nuances of your marriage. Cindy's pre-nup contract, that she has willed him a couple of places if she dies before him. And because she has trusts, and he doesn't follow them, he was unsure of the number of condo investment properties in play, or who owned title, so he didn't want to give an incorrect number.

McCain hould have just left it as none, but he contributes to household expenses.

I know how this works because I have a brother-in-law whose Dad is a hugely successful inventor and entrpreneur. Who is so busy he has other people run his investment portfolio and only looks in near tax time or when he has some new thing or lead or concern he wants looked at.
Anyways, about 10 years ago, I saw "Dad-in-law" in a mix of royal amusement and infuriation. He blew about 25K on a family getaway to Hawaii, inc. a nice hotel. Then found out he was the owner of 3 then-unoccupied beachfront condos located 4 miles away from the hotel he stayed at. Condos bought after he had told his investment team to dump some stock and find good real estate to hang onto for 3 or so years. He had glanced at the pictures they sent of his rental condos, not reading all the details. He thought the condos were in Florida.

With McCain, I suspect most people know somebody that comes into serious money only in middle age or late in life - and remain the same person. Elitism is groomed or sought in the formative years of life, and the arrogance and insouciance of the Obamas suggest they drank deeply of it's intoxicating brew as eager wannabes of inclusion into Chicago's wealthy and powerful elites.
McCain on the other hand, was hereditary military, with some benefit of family pull, but 95% of his chance to rise and not wash out of the academy, flight school, becoming a carrier pilot, making captain (something only 2% of an Academy class accomplishes) - all on his own. And the military does not breed elitism and the people you work with and stake your life on, and they on yours, are mostly from the poor and middle class. It is a life that involves tough living conditions for many years when shipboard, high danger. Then POW depravation.

Posted by: Chris Ford | August 22, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Another rationale for the housing thing: McCain had a senior moment and went fuzzy. According to the NYT, that sort of thing is happening more and more with him.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/17/opinion/17rich.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin

“McCain frequently forgets key elements of policies, gets countries’ names wrong, forgets things he’s said only hours or days before and is frequently just confused.” Most Americans still don’t know it is precisely for this reason that the McCain campaign has now shut down the press’s previously unfettered access to the candidate on the Straight Talk Express.

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 22, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

To J's friend:

Gee, now I have a friend. I have a friend and an enemy. Nice.

In case you don't know it, with the expansion of the life span of a human being, 72 is not considered old. It is the new middle age.

Did you like that spin?

Posted by: J | August 21, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

The reason why this won't matter is because McCain is a reformer who understands that Washington is broken. He's also in favor of drilling, which is where the vast majority of people are at. Obama thinks that Jeremiah 'G-d damn the USA' Wright is a great mentor. Obama associates with unrepentent terrorists.

Who do you think doesn't share America's values?

Posted by: Gary Gross | August 21, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Actually Search I'm a OBAMA supporter in my forties.

I live in Virginia and I talk to young people everyday. And when it comes to this election, white and black, they cant wait for Nov. 4th. OBAMA will win the election by way of Virginia. I have no doubt of that.

I can engage in civil conversations on these boards, that's how I started. But when I see the virtual hatred that spews from so many haters, right wingers and bigots about OBAMA i need to respond in kind. I dont like it but there are to many of these folks and others who feel McCain can do no wrong.

The man is ODD. Seriously. To support him and not wonder about his off kilter ways, and to just plain accept him because he ain't OBAMA well folks need to do better then that.

Scrivener

I wont give McCain that kind benefit. The man did int know how many damn homes he owned. And I truly hope you don't believe a set up on there part. McCain is the elitist of the week for that ignorance.

Come on man. I was born at night but not last night.

Posted by: llewis40 | August 21, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Laurelvw, is it? Anyway, Mrs. Colonel,

You evidently didn't read what I said.
I said, "It's not uncommon for officers and NCOs to own several houses."

That's not saying every officer & NCO did or does acquire a bunch of houses.

The posting by the retired CW5, who owns 9 houses and said some of his friends also own several, validates my claim.

I never owned a house at all--not until after I was retired due to my wounds incurred during Mr. Johnson's War.

Anyway, it's not something, the hassle of dealing with renters, making sure mortgage payments & taxes are paid on time, etc., that some people, including myself, would want to bother with. Nor apparently you & your Better Half as well. Guys doing that probably hire accountants to keep track of things, including scheduled & unscheduled maintenance, for them, in any event.

Handling a dozen or so houses scattered across the country, & even abroad in some cases, would be a full-time job. But I'm retired, have been for 38 & 3/4s years & don't want a full-time job.

Posted by: GBanshee 5 | August 21, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

"I am sorry I find that to be racist in its own right. Just because people are against Barack Obama or will not vote for him does not mean they are "blackaphobic". Hell I would vote for Condi Rice in a heart beat!

I think everyone needs to get off their high horse and forget the color of a candidates skin, what they look like, and how old they are and vote because of the issues at hand!"


Umm...if you're voting for Condoleeza Rice, then you aren't voting because of the issues.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 21, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

To: "Anonymous:"

I am sorry for your predicament, and wish you well. I said nothing about McCain raising taxes. The point that I attempted to make was that Obama would raise taxes as well. Only 2% of the US population makes more than $250k a year; not enough tax to replace increased spending. Where does the rest of the $$$ come from? I hope, not from you. Neither party will keep to their promises. I am disabled, and am well aware.

Posted by: cornelius | August 21, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Bruno = liar. Any questions?

Posted by: naPPERFAT | August 21, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

All this is immaterial anyway. Every president we have ever had has been exceptionally wealthy. This time around, though, it is beyond any doubt that McCain is more out of touch with the "common man;" he is wealthier than Obama now, and he has been for decades. Keep in mind, this time five years ago Barack Obama was only known to his family, friends, and students, and was only as wealthy as a professor and state senator can be (pretty well off, but nowhere close to McCain's $5 million definition of "rich").

Posted by: yo | August 21, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

I think as usual, the Obamanoids have drunk too much Kool-aid. McCain's wife is rich and most of the houses are in her name. Maybe if Obama was not too busy smoking crack, and making deals with felons and hating this country, he would have made a better Illinois senator. Instead of voting and doing his job he voted present. What a loser....And the author Chriss, thinks the house issue is a 'Gold mine' for the democrats.

What a joke....The arugula eating, pot smoking, elitist liberals (Obama, Kerry, Pelosi et all)that call folks like me who love to hunt and love my god and my country, better SHUT UP.

THIS LIFE LONG DEMOCRAT IS VOTING MCCAIN THIS FALL. MY PARTY HAS PRODUCED LOSER NOMINEES FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS. HILLARY WAS OUR ONLY HOPE.

Posted by: Bruno | August 21, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Ellen,

I don't believe McCain truly did not know how many houses he owned. I believe he was trying to avoid answering the question with his comment. He should have just said that he had "a few" or "several" houses. Those descriptions would have been vague enough and yet describe more than a couple of homes.

Personally, I'd rather a wealthy person not rub it in my face that he has 7-10 homes and appreciate McCain for trying not to rub it in my face compared to Obama who ridiculed me and people like me who "cling to guns, religion, and anti-immigration."

Posted by: InSearchOfTruth | August 21, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Cornelius if think MCSenile will not raise the middle class taxes you have your head in the sand, we can not continue the two wars we are in and support the other conflicts we will be in because McSenile is a loose canon.As far as being young that is not the reason I call "my friend" John by McSenile. I am a 64 year old white women who worked for the State for 40 years before retiring, i though I was going to get by ,but because of Goofy and Daffy i am cutting some of my medication in half ,cut down on driving and trying to budget to get by. Obama has said that seniors will not have to pay taxes on their social security and wants to give three times the tax cut to the middle class.I am ready for some one to stop the RICH WELFARE. Connie from Indiana

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

To J's Enemy,

Gee, I have a following!

The reason the Obama/Rezko relationship was mentioned and then "stifled", was because of the Obama campaign and the MSM conspiring.

The Chicago papers have been writing about that relationship for years.

Do you know a month before the Obama/Rezko deal, Rezko received a $5 million loan from an Iraqi?

Like I said before, Obama opened up a hornet's nest critizing McCain and his homes. Now it's open season on Obama and his "political godfather," as Obama called Rezko before he got indicted, per John Kass, Chicago Tribune.

There's a lot more where this came from.

This is just the tip of the "iceberg."

Posted by: J | August 21, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

"Ellen"

Fair point, but I am confident that you had no problem with how many homes Senator Kerry owned, and would he have been able to answer the question, if asked. I think not.

Posted by: sydney77 | August 21, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Looks like it's Romney and Biden.

http://thepage.time.com/2008/08/21/2-gop-sources-its-romney/

Romney would be a stupid move by McCain, who's party has fostered a narrow-minded evangelical following. That would hurt McCain in the deep south, where the races will be a lot closer than people think.

Pawlenty is the smart move.

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 21, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

"Sydney77"

Of course there are Democrats who own more than one home, although our nominee owns one.

The point here is that Mr. McCain had no idea how many he owned.

This is:

a) usually basic knowledge
b) not typically American, is it?

Posted by: Ellen | August 21, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

This is only the begining.

John Hensly. Kemper Marly. Arizona mob.

two names associated with the McCains you folks will be hearing all about these next few days. listen and learn.

Posted by: llewis40 | August 21, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

I'm flattered with my fan base that I apparently have with all the similar aliases. You know what they say... the best form of flattery is imitation. *cackle* ;)

Posted by: InSearchOfTruth | August 21, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Guess some of you forgot about that elitist you voted for, four years ago, whose wife had all the money. You guys are all hypocrites; what is good for the democrats is not good for the republicans. Thank goodness all democrats are poor, and really help all of you. Can't wait until Obama wins and raises all of your " oops, I thought I was middle class" taxes. He'll be out of office, quicker than Jimmy Carter.

Posted by: cornelius | August 21, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Jeezus, "InSearchofTruth,"

give it a rest with the 57 states. If you've watched the YouTube clip you know that a dead-tired campaigner (didn't each of them say something wacko at some point?) misspoke. He said he had one to go and that he hadn't been allowed to go to AL and HI although he'd wanted to. Clearly he'd meant to say something like "47 out of 50"

And McSenile is always a model of clear expression, right?

Right.

Posted by: Hyde Parker | August 21, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Connie from Indiana,

So are you one of Obama's young Obamabots? I ask because it seems more often than not, the younger voters are the ones that engage in name-calling by calling McCain senile, etc. Usually, reasonable adults don't engage in the name-calling as much and just respectfully disagree with one another.

In any event, I disagree with McCain's stance on free trade. It is one of the things I dislike the most about McCain. But guess what, Obama also supports free trade as well. He says he's going to rework NAFTA, but I don't believe him. Also, if he was so concerned about American jobs, he wouldn't be so eager to prevent our border patrol from securing our border which would help keep illegals from taking American jobs.

Posted by: InSearchOfTruth | August 21, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

As far as the 57 states I will give you that, but as McSenile does not know the difference in the tribes in Iraq,who borders Pakistan, holds hands with the Dali Lama ,votes for every thing Goofy wanted,voted against our Veterans time ,after time ,wants to engage in other conflicts and draft our young. It is sad that we have voted the same way in the past election and this year we will be parting ways. So Sorry. Connie from indiana

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Frankly, the home debate doesn't matter. US presidents are supposed to be above its citizens. And, if they aren't (George W. Bush) they shouldn't be President.

See: http://www.eleventhdraft.com/blog?id=184

Posted by: T Black | August 21, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Obama appears desperate; I think this McCain house thing will backfire. As if Democrats do not own more than one home, i.e., Teresa Heinz (Kerry.) No problems then. I think Obama has set himself up to be questioned about his $2 million dollar house, and somewhat questionable acquistion of bordering land. Why did he bother attacking McCain? What does he need to prove? I think the internal poll numbers for Obama are scarier than we thought; hence, the non-sensical attack.

Posted by: sydney77 | August 21, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

J,

I'm sorry if you are offended by the truth, but the fact is that McCain is dirty and he's going down.

I have a great education, a great job, own a small business that does well, spent three years overseas, have a great family and lots of friends- and they think I'm a great guy. Don't worry about me.

Maybe you're a good guy too, but here, on this board, you are a... Republican.

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 21, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

In Search of Truth,


Grow up, sport. I don't care if my President drinks whiskey all day and fights reporters at press conferences. How can you possibly defend the country as is? If this is your idea of a robust economy and a promising future, then you smoke more weed than I do.

Posted by: legan00@ccny.cuny.edu | August 21, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

InSearch and J are right: Obama is a lesbian. Don't vote for lesbians, purleeze.

Posted by: ObamaIsaLesbian | August 21, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

I'll tell you exactly why you're voting for McCain. Because your dad is the heaviest intellectual thinker you know. There's probably a library in your town. Check one out. Wait. I forgot, they're publicly owned. That's communism. Maybe next year you'll be ready.


NYC Secession 2010

Posted by: legan00@ccny.cuny.edu | August 21, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

How many states in the US? It's the same as the number of houses McCain has.

Posted by: InSearchOf Truthiness | August 21, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Connie from Indiana,

Well based on the polls, it looks like there are more "nitwits" than you think. Just recently, McCain surpassed Obama in one of the polls and closed in on the others.

*I* am one of the ones who put Goofy and Daffy into the White House for the last 7 1/2 years?? That shows just how much you know. For your information, I voted for Perot, Clinton (2nd term), Gore, and Kerry. How did I put Bush and Cheney in the White House? Instead of being so presumptious, perhaps you might first want to ask before assuming that I voted for our current idiotic president, George W. Bush.

I opposed and disagreed with the pardoning of Scooter Libby and I am aware that McCain is not perfect and has made mistakes long ago. However, I still trust McCain more than I do Barack Obama. I guess to me, if McCain actually engaged in any illegal activity and stole over $100K, it still isn't as bad as attending a black-centric, racist church for over 20 years and then either lying or being so ignorant not to know that your pastor and fellow church members felt that way.

I also don't like the fact that Obama doesn't even know how many states make up the United States of America. How can someone run for President think that there are 57 states that make up the U.S.?

Then you have Obama's company he's kept in addition to Reverend Wright. I'm sorry, but a person, whether it is fair or not, is judged (at least in part) by the company that person keeps. And Barack Obama has kept bad company over the years.
That's why this Blue Democrat has turned Red for the election of 2008.

It's a shame that Colin Powell isn't running for President. He's pro-choice and a moderate and has experience, unlike Barack Obama.

Posted by: InSearchOfTruth | August 21, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

I am voting for McCain. I can't think why. Please don't call me racist.

Posted by: InSearchOfMyOwnAss | August 21, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

corruption anon:

Bottom Line: John McCain was cleared of all wrongdoing and according to the Democratic Prosecutor who said LAST NIGHT ON TV:

"I told the committee John McCain should not be included in the investigation because he did nothing wrong."

From the other "stuff" you wrote, you are an Obama supporter who seems to becoming "unraveled."

Too bad, so sad, bye bye.

Posted by: J | August 21, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

NightFire,


What time are Goebbels & Himler speaking at the RNC?

Posted by: legan00@ccny.cuny.edu | August 21, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Amy Dugan,

You are misrepresenting the Washington Post story of July 2 (which you clearly haven't read--you're just parroting something you read on the web). There is nothing about a "Rezko discount" on the Obamas' mortgage.

And the fact that they paid less than asking price? Oh, what a scandal! Have you ever bought a home? If you paid asking price you were very, very unusual.

Posted by: Hyde Parker | August 21, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Look Banshee, blacks, latinos and many other democrats serve proudly overseas. This nonsense that the only good American is a white American who's worn the uniform has to stop. Character is what you do in the dark. Nobody needs to know about it. People who puff themselves up are usually the one's who've done the least- and are compensating. There are two types of people who come back from war: the kind that doesn't say anything about it, and the kind that talks too much about it. I greatly prefer the former to the latter types.

Posted by: Those who know | August 21, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

In search of truth: John McSenile is for free trade that means China does not have to steal our oil, McSenile will give it to them.Why is the oil in Alaska sold out side of the USA ?
Why hasn't McSenile stopped the unfair trade balance between the USA and everyone in the whole world. Connie from Indiana

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

InSearchofTruth

His experience as a POW is just cause for me not to vote for Mccain.

I am absolutely certain that McCain has suffered mentally as well as physically during and after his captivity. He is ODD and strange. off kilter. Even some of his associates have stated that he is erratic and hotheaded.and he still wont tell us that since he knows how to win wars please tell us what wars has he the hell won. Is it possible that he's still that POW in Vietnam in his own mind? In a galaxy far, far the hell away?

That dark look in his eyes. That phony fixed smile on his face like he has other places to be.

I know that you and others of your ilk hate OBAMA and anything pertaining to him. But your boy McCain is a walking, talking ill tempered time bomb. With his incoherent answer to how many homes he own to his ties with the Arizona mob his wonderful adventure at the expense of OBAMA of late is at an end.

I knew the Dems upcoming convention would shine the light on McCain's dark missgivings. About time.


Posted by: llewis40 | August 21, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

The problem is that the voters who care deeply about class are nearly all liberal. Most ordinary Americans knows some snobs and despise them. I'm inclined favorably towards a candidate who wants everyone to be rich, not so much towards one who tells me he's going to tax me more so he can feel better about himself.

Government doesn't dispense fairness, but shackles. Just think about the people in New Orleans who just sat and waited for "the government" to do for them what they should have done for themselves if they hadn't had all their self-respect and self-reliance trained out of them by years on the government teat.

Posted by: NightFire | August 21, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Obama couldn't even get a security clearance with his connection to Rezko - a convicted felon. And you would vote for this charlatan. He has no executive experience, no foreign policy experience, and no economic or business background. His biggest draw is that he is black. What a sad state for the democratic nominee of America.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Honesty is subjective - InSearchofDeceit-Just look at the crooks who've been plundering this country for eight years under the guise of "honest, Christian leadership".

Quote you, "You know, Congress could pass legislation stating that oil from off of our shores must be sold within the U.S."

Not a chance in H*ll. Whether it's run by Dems or Repugs the oil companies just won't have it. As far as horizontal drilling- that would be an act of war no nation would dare attempt.

Posted by: arugula lover | August 21, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama's Latest News

http://www.theobamafile.com:80/ObamaLatest.htm I did my homework.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1511 Try doing yours.

It's not my fault the DNC didn't vet this Communist.
85,000 gave their lives during my lifetime fighting Communists , so I'll do anything I can to repay their sacrifice by fighting to stop what I find to be the most repulsive freak to have ever run for the Presidency.
He's engineered a slush fund for himself with the $845 billion Global Poverty Act, called for a Civilian Security Force "the size of the U.S. military" and prepared himself for the job by being indoctrinated by the CPUSA for 4 years and then kept up his adult continuing hate education by swearing an oath to Black Liberation Theology and attending Wrights hate America church . His only job, ACORN has been charged for vote fraud in 15 states.
Don't give a hoot who gets it as long as the Commie is stopped.
There are a lot like me and we aren't going to pay "reparations" to this freak that the DNC didn't bother to vette because an Armani suit hangs on him well and he can make a jump shot.

I know you young people like the style, image and that slick progressive package Soros is selling.
Tell you what, put up Hillary or Bidden and I'll vote Democratic for the first time in my life but not this megalomaniacal Communist freak.

He ain't getting the red phone on my watch.

Posted by: rtfanning | August 21, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

WAS THIS A 'DISINFORMATION' SET-UP THAT'S GOING TO BOOMERANG ON OBAMA?

What if: McCain was told to look clueless when he was asked a question that someone may have suggested to the Politico's Mr. Vogel.

McCain stammers and feigns ignorance. Politico has its story.

Then the McCain forces get ready to unleash their latest and greatest from the Tony Rezko-Barack Obama real estate deal -- the one in which a convicted felon allegedly subsidized the purchase of Obama's home by doing a questionable transaction involving that adjacent piece of property.

Indeed, maybe Obama was set up from the get-go, drawn unwittingly into a deal that would later be used to derail his presidential hopes. And maybe Rekzo was part of it, and is taking the fall. This, of course, is just a theory. But it's interesting to speculate.

So Obama may have taken the house bait. But he may have checked into the Roach Hotel instead. And once you check in there, you don't get out. And you don't get to the White House.

Now, all of the above is speculation. But stranger things have happened.

In any event, Obama and his people once again reveal their naivete by making an issue over McCain's "gaffe" when the blowback could badly damage his flagging campaign.

BUT WILL THE ELECTION EVEN MATTER? Not when government-supported "vigilante injustice" squads are "gang stalking" American citizens, making a mockery of the rule of law:
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/get-political-vic-livingston-opinion-expose-state-supported-vigilante-squads-doing-domestic-terrorism
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/zap-have-you-been-targeted-directed-energy-weapon-victims-organized-gang-stalking-say-its-happening-usa-1


Posted by: scrivener | August 21, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

This country rockss!!!! Obama is forced to play dirty. Let's face it: Americans want dirty! Good job, Obama. Come on, if Obama didn't know how many houses he had, the Republican blowhorns on tv would have his head. Good for Obama. I'm as intelligent as McCain, if not brighter. The reality is Cindy Hensley McCain's daddy bought McCain's House/Senate seat. The black guy with the white mom is the elitist? Republicans never cease to amaze me. It's okay. Your parents were wrong all along, you can leave the party now. Swallow your pride. You can't possibly think that Republican policies have made this country any better these last four or eight years. Just stay home.

New York City matters more than wherever you're from.

Posted by: legan00@ccny.cuny.edu | August 21, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Lamont,

I, one who served two years & 6 weeks as a Peace Corps Volunteer in Liberia, America's only former African colony, don't appreciate some weak, soft, spoiled brat charging my opposition to your messiah is based upon racism. What in the heck have you ever done for America or for suffering people abroad other than run off at the mouth? Talk is cheap.

B. Husssein's brainwashed twenty-somethings are immature parasites without the gumption to get their hands dirty doing some actual work to assist others. They're nothing but talk, full of "If I wanted to, I could be a greater war hero than John McCain"--not if you're too gutless to wear Uncle Sam's uniform, let alone doing your best to dodge a shooting war. Loudmouthed cowards!

Posted by: Banshee5 | August 21, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

nice cozmot
"uhh im a democrat but obama is really looking like an out of touch person so im gonna go with Mccain"

Dont try to pull that BS. The classic way of trying to plant stuff on the internet that people are changing their minds one way or another. Common we all know you sit in your room all day and worship BILLO and INSANIHANNITY.

Posted by: me | August 21, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous (Can't you come up with a better alias than that?),

So instead, you would rather not drill and just let the Chinese and Russians come on over and drill off our shores and steal our oil from us? You know, Congress could pass legislation stating that oil from off of our shores must be sold within the U.S. If they can't or refuse to do that, then I would rather have China PAY for our oil instead of STEALING it from us.

Finally, yes, offshore drilling won't have any major affect now, except for the fact that it will lower prices more so because speculators will take into account that we are going to engage in offshore drilling, which will have an impact in our current prices.

So, you are mistaken in claiming that I am being deceitful, when it appears that you are the one who is not being completely honest.

Posted by: InSearchOfTruth | August 21, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Hyde Parker:

Read my post, scroll down to J 10:19 PM

Obama only bought a lot from Rezko. Right.

Posted by: J | August 21, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

And look at John McCain's thoughts on reviving the draft...

In a town hall on 8/20/08

" At a town hall in Las Cruces, NM, a woman said she could not see doing everything McCain wanted, and would not have the troops under his plan to follow Osama bin Laden to the "gates of hell" without a draft. In response, McCain said, "I don't disagree with anything you said." The video of that can be viewed here:"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRMFwXGBMfI

Posted by: Seanm | August 21, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

The "home debate" only matters to MSM hacks who are afraid of discussing real issues.

Anyone who wants a discussion of real issues - and anyone who wants to make the MSM look bad - should go to public appearances by the candidates and ask them real questions, then upload their responses to Youtube.

We need to do the reporting that the hacks at the WaPo and elsewhere refuse to do.

Here are some real questions for McCain and Obama:

http://nomoreblather.com/question100

Search for their names at http://24ahead.com/ for much more information about both of them, including things they've said and done that the MSM doesn't want you to know about.

Posted by: 24AheadDotCom | August 21, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Cozmot,

Is Hawaii any less a part of America then, say, Kansas?
Obama happens to have been born there and has family there.
Also, there are NO private beaches in Hawaii, unlike Coronado, California for instance...

Posted by: arugula lover | August 21, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

In search of truth I am hoping there are fewer NITWITS, you are the ones that put Goofy and Daffy in the white house for the past 7 and 1/2 years . As far as John McSenile being cleared in the Keating Five, remember Scooter Libby was pardoned.Connie from Indiana

Posted by: Connie | August 21, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Oh, please, "InSearchOfTruth"

Obama doing drugs while McSenile was doing battle?

Barack was 6 years old when John became a prisoner of war.

Look before you blab.

Posted by: Hyde Parker | August 21, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

J,

Thanks for posting the following info:

Rebuttal Page 21 - Obama downplays the mansion and land deal with Rezko. Obama says he only bought a "strip of land," saying he didn't know that the lot was in Rezko's wife Rita's name. Also saying that Rezko had to put a fence around the property to abide by Chicago code. This is what is NOT said:

Excerpt from Chicago Tribune article dated ll/01/06:

"...He (Obama) said he discussed the house with Rezko but isn't sure how Rezko began pursuing the adjacent lot. BUT OBAMA RAISED THE POSSIBILITY THAT HE (OBAMA) WAS THE FIRST TO BRING THE LOT TO REZKO'S ATTENTION.....Rezko's wife Rita bought the adjoining lot the same day, paying full $625,000 asking price--secured with the help of a $500,000 mortgage.....The Obamas wanted a fence between the parcels. They hired an attorney and architects within a month of their purchase ....Michelle Obama had served on the commission (Landmarks)...and contacted the (commission) staff about the fence...Architect Wil Taubert said in an interview that he dealt only with the Obamas..."I knew somebody owned the corner but I never asked who it was,"Taubert said....Though the Obamas laid the groundwork, Rezko agreed to build and pay for the $14,000 fence...Obama said he (Obama) funded the architectural and legal work..."My (Obama) suspicion is that it would probably be a couple of thousand dollars. On the architectural side it might be more,"he said,"I think legal fees were a couple thousand."....Obama said he pays his landscaper to mow Rezko's 7500 square foot yard. A person can't enter the Rezko lot from the street--but Obama's groundskeeper gets in through the gate that opens from OBAMA'S LOT..."Right now my landscaper who comes and does all my work, I have asked him to go ahead and MOW THE LAWN ON THE OTHER SIDE," Obama said.

Excerpts, Chicago Sun-Times 3/15/08

"...(Obama)But I did bring to his(Rezko) attention, we are looking at this house. We are interested in it. I'd love for us to give(get) your opinion on it....So Tony then arranged with me and Miriam Zeltzerman to take a look at the house because I wanted to get a basic assessment...So my(Obama) response was, and I'll be honest with you, my basic view at that time was having somebody who I knew, a friend of mine, who would be developing the lot if he could, would be great. It would be somebody who we know."

Excerpt, Chicago Tribune, 12/24/06: "And I(Obama) will also acknowledge that from his(Rezko) perspective, he no doubt believed that, by buying the piece of property next to me, that he would, if not be doing me a favor, that it would help strengthen our relationship."

The above are just some of the inconstancies and omissions I uncovered in Obama's rebuttal. Read Obama's rebuttal and then read the whole story as it appeared in the Chicago Tribune in November 11, 2006 and December 24, 2006 and also Chicago Sun-Times March 15, 2008.

Obama's rebuttal let's you believe there was nothing to it but "only buying a strip of land."

But: Obama (only a next door neighbor) pays for the legal fees, architect fees, mowing and access to Rezko's lot is only through a gate on Obama's property? And Obama says that he may have "possibly" been the first to bring the lot to Rezko's attention.

Also, in the Sun-Times, Obama says Rezko is a FRIEND of his, then in the Tribune he says Rezko probably thought it would strengthen their relationship. Rezko is a real estate developer with million dollar projects. Rezko has been a friend of Obama's for years and Obama's major campaign fundraiser. Rezko has to buy the lot to strengthen their relationship?

George Stephanopoulos, This Week, 5/13/07:

Stephanopoulos said, "This exact same day several months later you(Obama) bought part of the plot back from him(Rezko). All at that time it was known that he (Rezko) was being investigated for corruption and kickbacks. What were you thinking?" Obama said, "Well, obviously I wasn't thinking enough. You know, I'm very proud of my ethics."

(OBAMA'S PROUD OF HIS ETHICS???)

Another aspect, Rezko's wife received a $500,000 mortgage, but her annual salary was $37,000.

Please read Obama's Rebuttal and Google the Chicago Tribune and Chicago Sun-Times articles. Compare for yourself.

THE FOLLOWING IS A MUST READ:


Rebuttal Page 20 Meet the Press, Tim Russert, ll/ll/07:

“Russert asked, “Is he (Rezko) still your friend?” Obama said, “You know, I have not talked to him since he got into trouble with the law.” Russert confirmed, “Period.” Obama said, “Never had a conversation with him.”

However, in the Chicago Sun-Times, 3/l5/08, this is what Obama says:

“Q. “Have you and Tony Rezko ever discussed this federal investigation that began to move against him or the criminal charges?”


“A. (Obama) Yes. When, I don’t remember exactly the dates, but I remember when we first contact about this story and the lot (2006), I called him to let him know that, “Look you may be getting inquiries about this and so it’s important for you to be able to talk to folks about your intentions in terms of development and so forth. At that point, I do remember saying to him how’s it going because I’m reading these problems. And his response was that his lawyers had been talking to the U. S. Attorney’s office and it’s all getting resolved. That was the sum total.

To whom was Obama lying Tim Russert or the reporters from the Chicago Sun-Times?

MORE TO COME LATER.

Posted by: J | August 21, 2008 10:19 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

VJ, you senile people need to stick together. We understand!

Posted by: Senility is cool | August 21, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

In Search if Deceit-
"McCain has been on the right side of the offshore drilling policy from the start and the majority (65% or more) of Americans support him on this.".

You mean the oil that might start flowing from immediate offshore drilling in about ten years and will then go on the open market to be bought up by the highest bidder (China) and will do NOTHING to bring down domestic gas prices, will only increase profits for McSame's good buddies like Exxon. That oil?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

I SO agree with the first poster here, V.J. Homer, that I simply can't put it any better. And I'll add that Obama's hypocrisy of being on vacation in Hawaii -- HAWAII -- during the presidential campaign does no better at putting him in touch with the average American than McCain's not knowing how many homes he owns.

Furthermore, I am VERY much a Democrat, but Obama is beginning to get unbearable to me with his burgeoning ego and arrogance. Is he really beginning to believe his own hype? I think so. He hasn't earned his political stripes yet. He's not ready, and God I wish he was. I'm afraid I'm going to have to go with McCain.

Obama, "Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall." Take heed, Mr. Evangelical.

Posted by: Cozmot | August 21, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

McCain was not cleared of wrongdoing in the Keating Five scandal. He pocketed $112,000 and only reported it after he was busted. Because of his connections he got off scot-free, but he did have to pay taxes and penalties. He was guilty of taking bribes. The question is: did he lie about the $112,000 figure? A guy who gets caught cheating on his wife has probably already done it ten times - if he's as slick as McCain. The same for people who steal. He was 40 when he married into that organized crime family. He was 50 when he put Keatings money in his pocket. He's a liar, a thief, and a cheat of the lowest order. It'll come out- it always does. Enough of it, at least. The guys is really dirty.

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 21, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Remember this news story???
"Over the Fourth of July Weekend, the Washington Post revealed Obama had also secured a reduced mortgage for the same home, on top of the Rezko's discount, saving him more than $300 a month in mortgage payments."

"When Obama purchased his current home in June 2005, he and his wife paid $1.65 million — a hefty sum but $300,000 less than the asking price. In February 2008, his campaign largely defused questions about the sale when the couple from whom the Obamas bought their house said the senator had submitted three bids, starting with an offer of $1.3 million, before his final offer was accepted."


I don't care if the McCain's have 17 homes as long as they earned them,
NO FREEBIES!!!!

Posted by: Amy Dugan | August 21, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

McCain is so out of touch with ordinary Americans it is scary. He doesn't know how many houses he owns!?!?! This isn't like how many t-shirts or socks do you have. This is how many freakin' houses do you own!

He was asked recently what the price of gas was...couldn't answer that one either!

Posted by: Seanm | August 21, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm a retired PhD in physics who applied my physics background to environmental research -- one of the reasons this lifelong Democrat is not excited about Obama is because early this year he sounded terribly ignorant about how environment research and equally important, how developing alternative energy research, is conducted in this country.

Hillary had by far the best environmental/energy development program, but I don't get to vote for her. (As far as I'm concerned, thanks in part to people who mouth off about having an interest in the environment and in alternative energy progress, but who never take the time to inform themselves about these two terribly important topics.)

Posted by: V. J. Homer | August 21, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Rezko was news in the primaries not now. You must have been hibernating.

Posted by: J's enemy | August 21, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Damiano:

If the properties belong to his wife then McCain should have simply stated 'I do not own any houses'. But he didn't, oh wait...

Posted by: alexadav | August 21, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Dear insearch, be a nitwit and be proud of it. In the meantime, when I'm hunting for lies I will come looking for your posts.

Posted by: InSearchOfLies | August 21, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

the right wing sickos have invaded this board, but they cannot obscoure the truth.
The truth will set us free. The truth is that the republicans are out of gas

Posted by: Alexandrian | August 21, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Homer alone-
Cheap underhanded tactics? You mean like comparing him to Brittany and Paris? Lying about his record non-stop? Making stuff up and then hiding behind your staff when you can't answer a simple question? Claiming that being a POW entitled you to say and do anything you want?
Give it a rest.

Posted by: elmerg | August 21, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

J, my friend, John McCain is old.

Posted by: Friend of J | August 21, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

What a bunch of leftwing wackos on this board! Makes you wonder about thier candidate doesn't it.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

John McCain was cleared of wrongdoing in the Keating 5 scandal.

A Democratic prosecutor said that he recommended that John McCain had committed no wrongdoing and shouldn't be grouped with the other four. However the Democratically controlled committee and Congress wanted him included because he was a Republican and they didn't want the investigation to involve only Democrats. I saw and heard the prosecutor on TV last night.

The five senators, Alan Cranston (D-CA), Dennis DeConcini (D-AZ), John Glenn (D-OH), John McCain (R-AZ), and Donald W. Riegle (D-MI), were accused of improperly aiding Charles H. Keating, Jr., chairman of the failed Lincoln Savings and Loan Association, which was the target of an investigation by the Federal Home Loan Bank Board (FHLBB).

After a lengthy investigation, the Senate Ethics Committee determined in 1991 that Alan Cranston, Dennis DeConcini, and Donald Riegle had substantially and improperly interfered with the FHLBB in its investigation of Lincoln Savings. Senators John Glenn and John McCain were cleared of having acted improperly.

You Obama supporters are "grasping at straws."

OBAMA AND REZKO, NOW THAT'S A STORY!!

Posted by: J | August 21, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

mike l,

Yes, McCain has a better energy policy that includes far more than just drilling if you had actually paid any attention. Yes, he supports drilling, but he supports more than just offshore drilling. McCain supports a comprehensive energy policy that includes renewable energy, biofuels, solar, wind, etc. The difference is that he also supports offshore drilling which had an effect on lowering prices because speculators noted Bush doing away with his executive ban on offshore drilling. What Obama and people like you fail to realize that offshore drilling will help in the long-run and in the short-run it helps to lower costs because speculators take note of these factors.

Finally, what Obama, the Democratic leadership, and people like you fail to realize that if we do not increase our offshore drilling, then other countries will steal our oil from our continental shelf by drilling their themselves. How would you feel about China or Russia drilling off of our shores, at an angle if necessary, and steal our one of our natural resources from us?

Offshore drilling needs to be increased in addition to eco-friendly solutions that should be implemented as well which makes McCain's comprehensive energy policy.

Instead of being an Obamabot just mindlessly insulting people on here, why don't you actually research McCain's energy policy and his other policies instead of pretending like you know what you are talking about?

And yes, Obama is an elitist because he ridiculed middle-class Americans who "cling to religion, guns, and anti-immigration." Someone who makes comments such as that just ooze of elitism. Who cares if Obama is 1/2 black. A person who is black or 1/2 black can be elitist too. So what if he's from a broken family. Apparently, he got his elitist streak as he got older based on his comments and actions he's done now.

No, I have determined he's elitist based on his actions and what he's said.

Michelle Obama had it so good. Both she and her brother both were able to go to Yale. I wonder how much affirmative action helped them to get into Yale, when someone who is white and happens to have better grades and higher scores don't just because they don't have the right skin color.

Yes, he worked with poor BLACKS and working class BLACKS (which I don't think qualifies him to be president) and attends a black-centric, racist, hate-filled Church for 20 years and then has the audacity to claim to not know his pastor and fellow church members felt that way. This kind of behavior shows that Obama lacks the good judgment to be President and why I refuse to vote for him.

At least McCain served our country in battle and even suffered as a POW. Did Obama serve in our military and fight in defense of America? No. Instead, Obama was doing drugs at the time (another example of bad judgment).

Since you are so concerned about how much McCain's shoes are, then tell me how much Barack Obama's shoes are. If his shoes are $500 too, will you think less of Obama for it? So what if he owns several houses, I would rather vote for someone who owns 20 houses than someone who got their house in a shady deal with Tony Rezko in which he pays for a portion of my house for me.

Face it, McCain is experienced in foreign policy and he knows far more than Barack Obama. McCain has been on the right side of the offshore drilling policy from the start and the majority (65% or more) of Americans support him on this. Barack Obama is too inexperienced and it shows with his responses regarding Georgia and Russia, etc., as well as his initial energy policy that totally excluded any drilling.

The way the polls are going, it looks like there might be more "nitwits" in the U.S., which isn't a good sign for Barack Hussein Obama. >;)

Posted by: InSearchOfTruth | August 21, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm... let's compare.

John McCain own's ZERO homes. Cindy McCain's name is on 7-8 properties. A ranch, a home in VA that they use when John is at the Senate (most senators have a home or apartment near DC) a vacation condo in CA, a condo under Cindy's name that their daughter lives in and the same for an elderly aunt that they support. Cindy inherited a large corporation, built over her father's lifetime and runs several smaller companies and charities. John earned about 400K in 2007, Cindy about 7 million in 2006.

The Obama's have one home (why bother with a DC home, since he was only in the Senate long enough to launch a Presidential campaign and is never there). They purchase the home with the help of a convicted felon and a "senator special" loan (not available to the average person). The Obama's reported about 7 million in income for 2007. How does a 1st term Senator and a hospital executive pull down 7 million in a year? The evil oil execs don't make that much, even with their 8% record profits. It took the McCain's two lifetimes of work to earn that kind of cash, but the Obama's have done it with resumes of charity work, community organizing and teaching college classes. Hmmm...

Special loans and felon co-signers aside; let's go back to detachment. Who was the guy talking to midwest farmers about the price of arugula at Whole Foods again (when there wasn't even a Whole Foods in the entire state)?

Gee... since Obama's decided to take shots a Cindy's real estate investments, does that mean wives are no longer off limits and we can talk about Michelle again?

Posted by: Damiano | August 21, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Tell us how much you earn, VJ.

Posted by: oneforeverything | August 21, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is clearly out of touch with most Americans. What bothers me is that he has a habit of not only forgetting how many homes he owns he forgets a lot of things. He whines because Obama is more popular. McCain is so unpopular that as many as 8 Republican Senators will not even bother to show up at the convention because they are running for reelection and don't want to be seen with thier "LEADER?"or Bush or Chaney. You would think that a great "leader" could get his Senate colleguages to show up and support him

It only get's worse from here for McCain's Slimy campaign.

Posted by: UnitedweStand3 | August 21, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

JVHomer, be honest you were never going to vote for Obama, but who cares ? Connie from Indiana

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

V. J. Homer - Has Cindy been sharing her drugs with you too?

You had no intention of voting for Obama. You are as transparent as saran wrap.

Posted by: MikeHusseinJones | August 21, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the insight, Homer Simpleton.

Posted by: onefornone | August 21, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

It seems like everyone of McSenile gaffes are just jokes.We don't need a clown in the white house we have had one for 7 and 1/2 years.Connie from Indiana

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

VJ,

McCain married into an organized crime family. How can you back a scumbag like that? Those people do worse than lie, cheat and steal. They kill. Bonanno lived out there in Arizona.

http://www.girlinshortshorts.blogspot.com/2008/02/john-mccain-and-mob.html

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 21, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Obama's attempts to be Rovian are pathetic. I don't know which is sillier --Obama trying to make political hay out of McCain's joke about $5M being the baseline for being rich; or yammering on and on about McCain not remembering how many -- there's several -- houses he and/or his wife owns.

What this HAS accomplished is to make me change my mind -- I WAS going to vote for Obama, but now I'm sick of his cheap underhanded tactics, so I probably won't. I no longer believe he has any serious interest in anything other than getting elected. We've already had a disasterous 8 years with one unprepared president, and Obama strikes me as having no more intellectual honesty than Bush. The main difference between them is with their choices of issues to pander about to the electorate.

I often disagree with McCain, but the man CAN be reached with logic. He is capable of being persuaded that a position he's held was wrong, and to modify that position accordingly -- as with his stance vis a vis MLK day, for example.

Posted by: V. J. Homer | August 21, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Attn: "oneforall"

Please get your facts straight before you head off on a rant.

The Obamas didn't buy their home from Tony Rezko, a sleaze even by our standards in Chicago. He bought a small strip of adjacent land from the Rezkos' parcel. It was stupid and he has said so.

You have no right to misrepresent the facts (or maybe you didn't know?)

Posted by: Hyde Parker | August 21, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Lindsey lay off my dinosaur hussy you fag!

Posted by: Cyndi McCain | August 21, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Befuddled's comments got me thinking and he made some very good points. I find that some of these discussions only prove the dysfuntion in our government. Sites like http://www.democracyconservator.com/ only prove my point.

Posted by: Melissa | August 21, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Here's another take on McCain's dodgy family fortune (and the Phoenix/Vegas/LA corrupt network).

http://www.girlinshortshorts.blogspot.com/2008/02/john-mccain-and-mob.html

Follow the money.

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 21, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

In search of truth:If McSenile was in touch and thinks drilling is part of a comprehensive package ,he has been in Washington for twenty five years why wait until we are being killed by gas prices and if drilling is the answer why not in Anwr ? Sorry to hear you had supported Mrs.Clinton and now are voting for McSenile, I bet the Clinton's are voting for Obama. I glad you are in a better financial situation than I am , Ican't afford McSenile.Connie from Indiana

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Baby!

You know Obama drew blood when you get over 1,000 comments on a single post!

A record, I think, for THE FIX.

C'mon McCainiacs...can you drive it up to 1,500?

Here's some food for thought: McCain's daughter has just written a children's book about how patriotic her father is and how much he believes in family values.

Yet strangely, McCain's kids from his first marriage don't get mentioned in the book.

How peculiar.

Posted by: Doug in NYC | August 21, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Yep, instead of fighting global warming we need to fight imaginary terorists and restart the cold war. No distractions. (This isn't Czechoslovakia, we ain't Georgians)

Posted by: cappy | August 21, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

All you ReThuglicans who love to talk about Rezco, please compare his "crimes" and sentence to that of Charles Keating, and his dealings with the Beer Heiress and her lapdog husband, John "7th Commandment" McSame.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl with your 57 fixation!

Your brain is rather seriously fried, girl! What are you on anyway? Cindy share some with you, did she??

Posted by: lol | August 21, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

REPUBLICAN LIARS -

Those who post here as pseudo Hillary supporters threatening to vote for McSame are nothing but Limbaugh-listening dittohead brownshirts sadly trying to duplicate their somewhat dubious mischief in the Texas primary. They aren't fooling anybody.

Posted by: arugula lover | August 21, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Of course, McCain has deep issues- who in their right mind would think that marrying into an organized crime family would help him become POTUS?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Hensley#Early_business_career.2C_legal_issues
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/17/opinion/17rich.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin
(see last paragraph)

A lot of people lose their mind in war. That's why war should never be entered into lightly and that's why that warmongering old git shouldn't be POTUS.

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 21, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

oneforall, how many times did McCain sell his soul to the devil???...oh, he CAN'T REMEMBER!

Posted by: pipsqueak | August 21, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

"I am trying to figure out how many brothers, dads, moms and wives (I'm allowed four) I have. Please don't ask me that today. my answer will be the usual um, uh, like, you know, same as always."

"I am trying to figure out how many sisters I have. Please don't ask me that today. All I know is that I took care to get them out of Daddy's will"

Posted by: Cindy Homewrecker | August 21, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

please, McCain is a 4 time senator from Arizona--ya think the constitutents there don't know about his relationship with Cindy? If he was so bad, does that mean that so are the voters of Arizona, or perhaps there's more to the story than any of us will ever know. Now, where McCain doesn't recall how many homes he has, let's not forget that Obama got his from a convicted felon, Tony Rezko. That Obama was aware of Rezko's illicit dealings is fact, but it's ok, right? Cause Obama said "it's a boneheaded mistake. I'll take the guy who has 4 homes legally than 1 bought from a criminal.

Posted by: oneforall | August 21, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

McCain = Elitist in Chief-

Thanks for the link!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhuMgUkiVOY

Posted by: NAPPERFAT | August 21, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

elmerg,

I can dig it alright, but I hold some dim hope that they'll come around in the end.

Posted by: Ellen | August 21, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

BTW, John "Wet Start" McCain was NOT tortured in the Hanoi Hilton all those years ago.

According to his own recent Senate votes, stress positions, sleep deprivation, and cold water are NOT torture.

Posted by: RealCalGal | August 21, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

aspergirl, i agree you really are THE BEST - the best testament that darwin's theory is right on target!! get a life

Posted by: lynn's therapist | August 21, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Rebuttal Page 21 - Obama downplays the mansion and land deal with Rezko. Obama says he only bought a "strip of land," saying he didn't know that the lot was in Rezko's wife Rita's name. Also saying that Rezko had to put a fence around the property to abide by Chicago code. This is what is NOT said:

Excerpt from Chicago Tribune article dated ll/01/06:

"...He (Obama) said he discussed the house with Rezko but isn't sure how Rezko began pursuing the adjacent lot. BUT OBAMA RAISED THE POSSIBILITY THAT HE (OBAMA) WAS THE FIRST TO BRING THE LOT TO REZKO'S ATTENTION.....Rezko's wife Rita bought the adjoining lot the same day, paying full $625,000 asking price--secured with the help of a $500,000 mortgage.....The Obamas wanted a fence between the parcels. They hired an attorney and architects within a month of their purchase ....Michelle Obama had served on the commission (Landmarks)...and contacted the (commission) staff about the fence...Architect Wil Taubert said in an interview that he dealt only with the Obamas..."I knew somebody owned the corner but I never asked who it was,"Taubert said....Though the Obamas laid the groundwork, Rezko agreed to build and pay for the $14,000 fence...Obama said he (Obama) funded the architectural and legal work..."My (Obama) suspicion is that it would probably be a couple of thousand dollars. On the architectural side it might be more,"he said,"I think legal fees were a couple thousand."....Obama said he pays his landscaper to mow Rezko's 7500 square foot yard. A person can't enter the Rezko lot from the street--but Obama's groundskeeper gets in through the gate that opens from OBAMA'S LOT..."Right now my landscaper who comes and does all my work, I have asked him to go ahead and MOW THE LAWN ON THE OTHER SIDE," Obama said.

Excerpts, Chicago Sun-Times 3/15/08

"...(Obama)But I did bring to his(Rezko) attention, we are looking at this house. We are interested in it. I'd love for us to give(get) your opinion on it....So Tony then arranged with me and Miriam Zeltzerman to take a look at the house because I wanted to get a basic assessment...So my(Obama) response was, and I'll be honest with you, my basic view at that time was having somebody who I knew, a friend of mine, who would be developing the lot if he could, would be great. It would be somebody who we know."

Excerpt, Chicago Tribune, 12/24/06: "And I(Obama) will also acknowledge that from his(Rezko) perspective, he no doubt believed that, by buying the piece of property next to me, that he would, if not be doing me a favor, that it would help strengthen our relationship."

The above are just some of the inconstancies and omissions I uncovered in Obama's rebuttal. Read Obama's rebuttal and then read the whole story as it appeared in the Chicago Tribune in November 11, 2006 and December 24, 2006 and also Chicago Sun-Times March 15, 2008.

Obama's rebuttal let's you believe there was nothing to it but "only buying a strip of land."

But: Obama (only a next door neighbor) pays for the legal fees, architect fees, mowing and access to Rezko's lot is only through a gate on Obama's property? And Obama says that he may have "possibly" been the first to bring the lot to Rezko's attention.

Also, in the Sun-Times, Obama says Rezko is a FRIEND of his, then in the Tribune he says Rezko probably thought it would strengthen their relationship. Rezko is a real estate developer with million dollar projects. Rezko has been a friend of Obama's for years and Obama's major campaign fundraiser. Rezko has to buy the lot to strengthen their relationship?

George Stephanopoulos, This Week, 5/13/07:

Stephanopoulos said, "This exact same day several months later you(Obama) bought part of the plot back from him(Rezko). All at that time it was known that he (Rezko) was being investigated for corruption and kickbacks. What were you thinking?" Obama said, "Well, obviously I wasn't thinking enough. You know, I'm very proud of my ethics."

(OBAMA'S PROUD OF HIS ETHICS???)

Another aspect, Rezko's wife received a $500,000 mortgage, but her annual salary was $37,000.

Please read Obama's Rebuttal and Google the Chicago Tribune and Chicago Sun-Times articles. Compare for yourself.

THE FOLLOWING IS A MUST READ:


Rebuttal Page 20 Meet the Press, Tim Russert, ll/ll/07:

“Russert asked, “Is he (Rezko) still your friend?” Obama said, “You know, I have not talked to him since he got into trouble with the law.” Russert confirmed, “Period.” Obama said, “Never had a conversation with him.”

However, in the Chicago Sun-Times, 3/l5/08, this is what Obama says:

“Q. “Have you and Tony Rezko ever discussed this federal investigation that began to move against him or the criminal charges?”


“A. (Obama) Yes. When, I don’t remember exactly the dates, but I remember when we first contact about this story and the lot (2006), I called him to let him know that, “Look you may be getting inquiries about this and so it’s important for you to be able to talk to folks about your intentions in terms of development and so forth. At that point, I do remember saying to him how’s it going because I’m reading these problems. And his response was that his lawyers had been talking to the U. S. Attorney’s office and it’s all getting resolved. That was the sum total.

To whom was Obama lying Tim Russert or the reporters from the Chicago Sun-Times?

MORE TO COME LATER.

Posted by: J | August 21, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

I don't know what you really are but I do know one thing; YOU'RE A LIAR!


If you supported Hillary like I did and you now support McCain then you have totally flip-flopped on everything Hillary stood for because Hillary's platform is the total opposite of McCain's who's platform is exactly like Bush's.


You're a liar and you're a Desperate REPUBLICAN and you always have been..

Nice try, Slick...

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I'm a former Hillary supporter whom had decided to vote for McCain. McCain is the lesser evil of the two and I trust McCain more than Obama on leading this country in the right direction.

Posted by: InSearchOfTruth | August 21, 2008 10:09 PM

Posted by: REPUBLICAN LIARS | August 21, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Grand Old Plutocrats

Posted by: john mccutchen | August 21, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Oooooh, InSearchOfTruth is piling up the points with McCain.com.

Did you earn a t-shirt yet, ISOT?

Did it have a picture of John "7th Commandment" McCain and his bride Cindy "Homewrecker" Hensley McCain on it?

Posted by: RealCalGal | August 21, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Do a simple google search for obama's home. You'll find that it's a very nice upper middle class home in Chicago. Nothing luxurious.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

to Tdl62 , you say there is more important things than McSeniles corrupt pass and Obama supports are against wars to stop death and destruction of innocent human beings, then we should be fighting in Dafur. Keating Five was along time ago and we should not talk about it, well I guess being a POW forty years ago can't count as experience.Connie from Indiana

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

"She doesn't realize how lucky she was to have an easier time getting into Yale because of her skin color."

I don't know if Michelle was an affirmative action admission to Yale, and I'm willing to bet you don't either.

However, I just LOVE people who scorn affirmative action in admissions, because, you know, having black or brown skin gets you soooo far ahead in this country.

But they say nothing of "legacy" admission like that of John "Wet Start" McCain to Annapolis or George "Dim Son" Bush, both of whom managed to make it through by the skin of their teeth. Dim Son, by the way, to that self-same Yale.

Wet Start also got a legacy admission to flight school and got promoted through the ranks mainly because both his father and his grandfather were admirals. Otherwise, he would have been the lowliest ensign on the lamest ship in the Navy.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

McAspergirl,

What in the Mchell are you babbling about?

It would be Mcbest if you walked away from your PC for a Mcwhile. Mckay?

Mcidiot.

Posted by: llewis40 | August 21, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

WHAT UNION HAS 57 STATES? -- THE "OIC" DOES

Early this year, Obama claimed that he'd visited 57 states campaigning, which is odd because the U.S. has 50 states in it, not 57. But even if Obama was tired from campaigning all day, and made a simple slip of the tongue, 57 is an odd number to confuse with 50. What Union has 57 states in it?

The Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) is an international organization with a permanent delegation to the United Nations. It has 57 Islamic member states, from the Middle East, Africa, Central Asia, Caucasus, Balkan, Southeast Asia, South Asia and South America.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 21, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Can Cindy Mc tell us a bedtime story about Mother Teresa? And can she bring us some nice Rachel Ray cookies?

Posted by: Sue | August 21, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

THINGS ELITIST JOHN MCBUSCH CAN'T REMEMBER:


He can't remember:
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How many houses he owns

...but we can, SING ALONG EVERYONE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhuMgUkiVOY


That it's now the Czech Republic


That his wife lied about Mother Theresa imploring her to take the babies home (Mother Theresa was not in the orphanage on that day)


That he voted against tax cuts for the rich


That he voted against torture


That he said Roe v Wade should not be overturned


Where all the Abramoff documents are by the millions


That he said his health records would be available for review then gave people just 2 hours


That he voted w/Bush 100% of the time in 2008 but he's a maverick


That middle class is not people who make just under $5 million a year


That he was a member of the Keating 5


That he cheated on his first wife


That his current wife stole drugs from her charity

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What CAN McCain remember...that he was a POW

Possibly the only thing that other fellow POW's would like to forget and are loathe to discuss

Posted by: McCain = Elitist in Chief | August 21, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Connie from Indiana - McCain's energy policy is a comprehensive energy policy that includes drilling as well as renewable energy research, etc.

Obama's policy was intially just to oppose drilling and only talk about renewable energy including wind, solar, etc. Unfortunately for Obama, he found himself on the wrong side of policy (another example of his bad judgment) and ended up FLIP FLOPPING so that he's now in support of some drilling. >;)

The point is this, McCain opposes drilling in ANWR, but supports offshore drilling in addition to renewables, solar, wind, biofuels, etc. That is how McCain's energy policy is more comprehensive compared to Obama. Now, Obama is trying to sound like McCain on the issue which is another example of how he is an empty suit.

I'm a former Hillary supporter whom had decided to vote for McCain. McCain is the lesser evil of the two and I trust McCain more than Obama on leading this country in the right direction.

Posted by: InSearchOfTruth | August 21, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

in search of a ...clue, mccain has a better energy policy? So drill anywhere anytime is a comprehensive energy policy? Even though he was against offshore drilling until he got som eoil money a couple of months ago. And where do you get this Obama's an elitist crap, from rnc talking points? A man from a broken household, half black, but certainly not considered anything but black by today's standards (tell me how easy it is being black in this country, like Michelle Obama had it so good), raises himself up by hardwork and intelligence to the point where he is the epitome of the American Dream, who worked with the poor and working classes, is considered elitist. But the son of military privilege that got him into the naval academy and who barely got out of the academy, whose only claim to fame is spending five years in a Hanoi prison as did so many other Americans, who left his first wife because, as she says, "he was 40 and wanted to be 25," who marries a multi-millionheiress, whose entire life has been paid for by taxpayer money, who wears $500 shoes, and owns more houses than he can think of, is somehow considered by conservatives to be a man of the people. You and your ilk are nitwits.

Posted by: mike l | August 21, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

>>Can you point to *any* evidence to contradict my claim here and now that Barack Obama is the most pro-abortion member of the United States Senate?

Posted by: OfficerMancuso | August 21, 2008 7:34 PM <<

Officer, you want me to try to prove a negative?
I'd wait until you offered proof to back up your claim. Proving a negative is thorny problem. If we're talking about voting records, perhaps if I had the time to research every vote that every senator has ever been involved in we could give it a try. If instead we are talking about the subjective interpretation of your charge. He holds a womans reproductive rights in higher regard than any other member, it's a non-starter. We don't know every member of congresses real position on that topic. We may find that abortion wasn't so horrible when John McCain knocked up his sixteen year old babysitter, drove her down to the family planning clinic and handed a C note. (since we're making unsubstantiated claims, why not go big, eh?)
A realpolitik question I've been dying to ask a abortion opponent is what are you going to do to actually make the Republicans outlaw abortion? They had power 12 years, total power 8, they've appointed a clear majority of the USSCJs' but they just can't deliver. Worse, from your point of view, we are past the high water mark for the conservative movement. From here they loose power, though we can argue about how long they'll be relegated to the cheap seats.
Is it that the law really doesn't support the government intervening in choices made by a woman and her doctor or is it that the day they outlaw Roe V Wade the Republicans won their last national election?
I personally don't think they are constrained by the law. Bush in particular hasn't even demonstrated he understands he can break the law, so to me, the jaded liberal, it seems they are playing on your well intentioned emotional commitment to this cause in an effort to win with otherwise unpopular candidates and policies, basically they don't want a victory, just a battle.
Your thoughts?

Posted by: dijetlo | August 21, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Hey Ellen,
One of the best things about when Obama becomes president is racist blowhards like purple lips will still be stuck behind the counter at Loaf n Jug simmering with resentment while serving African Americans.
What a sight!

Posted by: elmerg | August 21, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Excuse me, JB, but that "half-brother living in a shack" happens to be in college studying to be a mechanic and he says that his half brother Barack inspired him to turn his life around.

How the hell do you know what Baraack may have done or be prepared to do for him?

Posted by: Hyde Parker | August 21, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Can't remember how many homes you own? Wow! End of his dismal campaign right there. Guess he'll have his staff get an answer by the first debate. Maybe the staff can also answer: how many marriage applications did McGoo post while still married?
How many affairs did McSleaze have and in which houses did the sex take place?
How many times did McGoo and second wife, daughter of mobster involved in killing a reporter and getting rich via mob connections, NOT meet Mother T?
How many more lies and $500 shoes and 200,000 house staff budgets until the Post starts giving us these details? Thank god we have new real journalists out there giving the people a voice.

Posted by: Joshua Gen Against McSleaze | August 21, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

McCain cheated at the Naval Academy, Survived like many others as a POW. Cheated on his first wife. Chased the blond and the moneyCheated at Saddleback. Wormed his way up Goldwater's ass, Then Reagan's ass. then a up the democrats' ass. Blew the biggest foreign policy test of the last 30 years. Now he tries to claim his only ambition is to save America from a mess he helped create. My friends, he will say anything to win.

Posted by: eastport1 | August 21, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Excellent post lbrillante.

Ive been posting for weeks now how ODD McCain appears to me. Off kilter. Mean. Strange.

perhaps his five years as a POW may have affected him in a way that it would be best if this man never gets the opportunity to sit his rear end in the oval office.

Hell. Here's a quote from fifteen twenty years ago:
" The thought of his being president sends a chill down my spine. He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me." Sen. Thad Cochran.

McCain has deep issues. He gives me the creeps.

Posted by: llewis40 | August 21, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

It's such a travesty that in a year with so many problems that America is facing -- serious, unprecedented challenges to become energy independent, survive commodity shortages, save our economy from its systemic finance problems, begin climate change abatement, face Islamist extremism, bring the Iraq war to a suitable end, and adjust to global market dislocations -- the Democrats would be so arrogant as to put forward an inexperienced, unqualified, freshman senator who has no realistic ability to perform as a president any better than George W. Bush did. It's a travesty and it seems like some kind of bad joke.

No way is Barack Obama worth voting for. It doesn't matter what party a candidate belongs to if he lacks core competencies for the office.

So it doesn't matter what McSame things McCain has in common other Republicans, what McProblem you think it is that a man who has an heiress wife doesn't McKnow how many houses she owns at the moment, or what McIssue you have with his McAge.

McCain is McQualified to be McPresident, which is more than what your candidate can say for himself.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 21, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

McSenile has a more comprehensive energy policy, I believe it is the same one that George and Dick have, DRILL,DRILL or INVADE, INVADE.Didn't McSenile vacation with the president of Georgia and has a PAID lobbist to Georgia on his campaign. Now the FEC has let McSenile slide out of primary election public financing system. Skirting the law,lying,cheating and I can't remember crap sounds like more of the same. Connie from Indiana

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Good try, Scott, but I don't think the McCain's are renting out their old military digs. They are almost all multi-million dollar properties so I don't think an active duty military man could afford any of them.

Plus, three of the condos are in Phoenix, two in San Diego while his pre- and post-war posts were in Florida. Cindy stayed in Phoenix and did not accompany him on his post-adultery post-divorce post-second-marriage postings. "The Ranch" could very well be where she and the kids stayed during that time. I just don't know.

That doesn't mean Homewrecker Cindy didn't buy him a place in Arlington when he was Navy liaison to the Senate.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Dear "Purple Lips,'

Please tell me that you had no idea that your comment is offensive and racist. I'm sure you didn't know.

Posted by: Ellen | August 21, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

"In politics, there is nothing worse than appearing out of touch."

Yes there is. It's being a hypocrite. That is Obama.

He wants to force me to pay more taxes to support complete strangers and he won't even help his half-brother who lives in a shack!

Obama = hypocrite. "Do as I say, not as I do" is neither change nor something I can believe in.

Posted by: JB | August 21, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

To the Poster who loves to refer to B. Hussein - What is the deal with you?

This is America. And you are allowed to have any kind of name and still run for president. The same kind of losers tried to make Kennedy an insult - whoooo, an Irish name. Would you do the same childish, ignorant post for Guiliani - whooo - Italian, that is such a weird name! Lieberman - whooo scary, that sounds so Jewish! Rodrigez - scary, catholic probably - we can't have one of those people can we?

Where the heck do you live? This is America and Hussein can be a good name too - because its about the person.

A crook can be a Nixen, or a Bush, or a Cheney even.

Book, cover, sound familiar?

Posted by: ITs a great country | August 21, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

In all seriousness, the longer this campaign goes on, the harder I find it to feel enthusiastic about either candidate. I think Obama would take Bush's dictatorial additions to the powers of the presidency and run with them, in his own Obama direction. I think McCain would continue a disastrous foreign policy whose price won't be clear till we're all six feet under and our grandkids are trying to make sense of the world.

I am dead serious when I say that democracy coupled with marketing does not seem to be a good system.

This is one reason why I'm sympathetic to folks like Putin, who hold similarly skeptical views about democracy.

I mean, in all seriousness, just what is it that guarantees that a jingoistic democracy is better than some other form of governance?

Posted by: OfficerMancuso | August 21, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

"President McCain, terrorists have just bombed Phoenix!"

"I think -- I'll have my staff get to you,"

Posted by: elmerg | August 21, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

How does a Harvard-educated man like Obama believe we have 57 states making up the United States of America? It must have been his early schooling in Islamic schools in Kenya.

Posted by: InSearchOfTruth | August 21, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Darn, there is a lot of garbage posted here. And I just added some.

Obama '08

Posted by: Chief Two Dogs | August 21, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Where are McCain's children by his first wife? It's like they don't exist?!!

Posted by: Megan O | August 21, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

I have having buyer's remorse, I wish Hillary could save us from defeat.

Hard to believe how badly Obama and his team are doing. He better kick some Godzilla ass or he is going down. No more vacations.

Posted by: Godzilla Vs. The Oily Monster | August 21, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

There is a strange irony to Obama and his supporters. They feel it is their business to know how many homes McCain owns yet having a mistress with a dying wife is private. They feel Obama's relationships with Rev Wright, Ayers, Rezko.... should be private but how many homes McCain's wife owns should be public. They are against war to stop the death and destruction of innocent human beings, while supporting the right to kill innocent human infants that survive partial-birth abortions. Strange and twisted minds, this lot.

Posted by: tdl62 | August 21, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

There are no private beaches in Hawaii. That was a presumption of Republicans who typically only go on vacation to private beaches.

Posted by: ecor | August 21, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

In the real world of elitism one needs to earn a minimum $5 million to qualify. McCain stated this pass weekend that $5 million would be the magic number to be considered rich. Maybe the question should have been how many homes do you own. Just maybe - could it be McCain just simply could not remember the number. Age does strange things too the mind!

Posted by: man with brain | August 21, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

What about the family JET? And people mention Rezko--what about the Keating 5--I have yet to see a story about it.

Posted by: scientist1 | August 21, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA 2008
ZIMBABWE on the Potomac

Posted by: flyingcow | August 21, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm a retired CW5. I own 9 homes that I rent out in 4 states, 5 in Georgia, 2 in Virginia, one in Oklahoma, and one in Texas. All occupied by military families.

I never sold my homes, I just rented them out to others as I either moved up, or away.

I have many military friends that also rent out their homes as they move... some of them because they depreciated in value and they could not afford to sell them. But now they are enjoying the rental income from them.

It's not as uncommon as you may think.

Posted by: Scott | August 21, 2008 9:30 PM
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You miss the point. McCain does not rent out his homes. I don't think that you and him on the same financial plain.

Posted by: Just another reader | August 21, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

At least Obama earned the money he made by writing. John "7th Commandment" McCain committed adultery before divorcing his wife to marry the heiress he was fooling around with.

THAT's how he earned HIS money.

Both candidates went to elite private schools, so that's a wash.

BTW, Cindy learned to date married men and wreck their homes from her mother. She then fiddled with her father's will to disinherit his daughter from his first marriage.

Is Cindy "Homewrecker" Hensley McCain really the First Lady we want?

In her next public interview (if she dares to have one) I'd sure like them to ask her why she dated a married man.

Posted by: RealCalGal | August 21, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

To Dem52: If being stupid is a qualification to be president McSenile wins hands down, he is so like his twin brother George.Being poor, the only reason John McSenile is rich is because he had an affair with the blonde heiress of the beer tycoon and divorced his disabled wife and married the money.Being unsuccessful, the only reason McSenile is successful is because his rich father-in-law helped him get were he is , so that the senator could help him , like the Keating 5.Connie from Indiana

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

"unlike Obama and the other Lexus liberals"

That is right. I am a Democrat and I despise the fact that every freakin' Obama sticker is on an import car. I guess I am from the blue-collar wing of the Democratic party that clings to such things as trying to buy a US made product (Chevrolet Malibu for me).

Posted by: hdimig | August 21, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

You know what's sad...that Obama wanted to change the subject and talk about how many houses McCain has instead of what he would do with regards to Russia and the country of Georgia. He also wants the American people to forget about his poor showing and inadequate "answers" given at Saddleback. I personally think what's going on with regards to Russia and Georgia is far more important than how many houses McCain did or the ancient Keating Five scandal of long ago. At least McCain has a more comprehensive energy policy than Obama and McCain is more knowledgeable about foreign policy then the novice, Obama.

Posted by: InSearchOfTruth | August 21, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

I will be voting for McCain because I can't stand Obama's purple lips...

Just try to watch him without staring at his purple lips... it's mesmerizing... all of a sudden I only hear the words "hope" and "Change"...

I can't do that for 4 more years. Sorry.

Posted by: Purplelips | August 21, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Let us not mention the Keating Five.

Posted by: eastport1 | August 21, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Chris
Explain to me how George Bush Junior fit in with the common man and was not an elistist, or did you just ignore the fact that this man was president for two terms because he did not fit in your formula?

He did fit the formula! He didn't have purple lips... therefore he was qualified!

Posted by: Purplelips | August 21, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

lbrillante wrote,

"I wrote this myself....

"Clearly having been a POW has affected McCain in ways that affect his memory, competence, awareness, ability to keep the facts straight, ability to tell the truth, ability to maintian integrity, and thus his ability to lead.

"My friends, I am willng to accept that McCain being a POW is a reason to explain all of these things as long as the republican party and the McCain camp will accept that they have made the case for exactly why this man MUST NOT become president. Why? Because...'he was a POW'."

I'll buy your logic, lbrillante, if you extend it to women who have been raped or abused.

Posted by: Douglas L. Barber | August 21, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

"Yeah Chris, you forgot one very important thing. John Mccain WAS A POW. And he hates to talk about that almost every day. So there. That proves him to be beyond reproach, forever. That unfortunate Keating affair and cheating on his wife and his jet and his multiple homes , I mean "cabins", are not, I repeat not to be spoken of in our beloved media."

Obama-freaks always go negative and then claim they didn't. More hypocrisy. HRC supporters have already seen too much of that.

Posted by: hdimig | August 21, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Nice novel lbrillante, unfortunately I don't have a week to read it.

So I'll just vote for McCain because he's a POW.

Posted by: JohnG | August 21, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Maybe purple lips indicates that he is neither red nor blue but independent.

Posted by: cappy | August 21, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Chris
Explain to me how George Bush Junior fit in with the common man and was not an elistist, or did you just ignore the fact that this man was president for two terms because he did not fit in your formula?

Posted by: dem 52 | August 21, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

McCain doesn't have lips at all - what a bonus, purplelips!

Posted by: cappy | August 21, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Purplelips - wow. That's a very bizarre thing to say. Your mother would be proud. It's like saying, at least Obama doesn't have pasty white skin.

Posted by: Mark Ashton | August 21, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

I wrote this myself

Using the POW Argument One Too Many Times OR When Being A POW Becomes THE Reason He Cannot Be President

I am willing to accept the context that Senator McCain does not remember how many houses he owns because... 'he was a POW'. And maybe the fact that he agreed that the only way to chase Osama Bin Laden to the 'Gates of Hell' is to reinstate the draft was because... 'he was a POW'. And perhaps the reason he cannot be expected to keep warring factions of various conflicts straight is because... 'he was a POW'.

Maybe he really did need to divorce his first wife by choosing a new one while still married and the first was recovering from a tragic car accident because... 'he was a POW'. Perhaps he offered his wife Cindy, the potential next first lady to particpate in a contest much more lude than a wet t-shirt contest because... 'he was a POW'.
Maybe he got into a physical conflict with one of his colleagues in the senate because... 'he was a POW'. Perhaps he felt embellishing the story of how he and his wife came to adopt their daughter by adding a lie that Mother Theresa had asked Cindy to take her (She never met Mother Theresa and they were caught in the lie) because... 'he was a POW'.

Maybe the reason that McCain thinks that the economy has done well during the Bush years is because... 'he was a POW'. And then it might explain the reason that he was ready to go to war in Iraq the day after 9/11 with NO facts, it was because... 'he was a POW'. I would love to believe that the reason that he has already declared victory in Iraq twice but still is dedicated to 'winning in Iraq' is because... 'he was a POW'.

Maybe he really wants to drill 'right here, right now' wherever he happens to be when he says it, is explained by the fact that... 'he was a POW'. It stands to reason that you could explain the reason that he is comfortable with putting nuclear waste in the state of Nevada but would not want it traveling through his own home state of Arizona and advocates 45 new nuclear plants (where does the waste go?) is also because... 'he was a POW'. He probably believes that a gas tax holiday would really help people because... 'he was a POW'.

And maybe he could not help himself or perhaps those assisting him felt it was appropriate to make sure he knew the questions he was to be asked at the Saddleback forum and was well prepared even though it might have involved 'cheating' or 'misleading' people as this was really all excusable because...'he was a POW'. There is also his recent evoking of the second 'cold war' which can be explained away by the fact that... 'he was a POW'.

Clearly having been a POW has affected McCain in ways that affect his memory, competence, awareness, ability to keep the facts straight, ability to tell the truth, ability to maintian integrity, and thus his ability to lead.

My friends, I am willng to accept that McCain being a POW is a reason to explain all of these things as long as the republican party and the McCain camp will accept that they have made the case for exactly why this man MUST NOT become president. Why? Because...'he was a POW'.

Posted by: lbrillante | August 21, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

The problem here isn't that these guys are rich (they all are) but that McCain either isn't good with details or doesn't want to tell the truth. Both choices are scary. When I'm 72 I hope I'm as sharp as McCain (and my parents for that matter) but I want a president who, when he looks for his keys, knows when to stop looking.

Posted by: bobbylikestacos | August 21, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Oh let me be the 1000th commenter!

Posted by: cappy | August 21, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

McCain may not know how many houses he has, but at least he doesn't have purple lips.

Posted by: Purplelips | August 21, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

What is the point of this article, you must be poor, unsuccessful and stupid to be president of the country?

Thus if you have worked hard, become rich and successful obtained the American dream you are not qualified to be president?

What is wrong with this picture? My god the press is a very scary.

So if you spend a week on a private beach in Hawaii are you still poor enough to be president?

Posted by: Dem52 | August 21, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Someone wrote, "We Hillary supporters will not vote for this Hollywood granola eating elitist who thinks that middle Americans cling to thier guns and religion. The extreme left has stolen away the great Democratic party. My vote will go for Mcain who is much more to the center than Barrack "Godamm America" Obama. And no America did not deserve 911!!"

WHOA! An actual Hillary harridan.

Posted by: 'Allo 'Allo | August 21, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous (apparently you are too chicken to give yourself an alias on here), I don't have any problems voting for a black man, but I will only vote for a black man who has better judgment and morals than what Barack Obama has. With the few mistakes Colin Powell has made, I would vote for him over Barack Obama any day. So why don't you take your ignorant insult and shove it somewhere where the sun doesn't shine. ;)

Posted by: InSearchOfTruth | August 21, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm a retired CW5. I own 9 homes that I rent out in 4 states, 5 in Georgia, 2 in Virginia, one in Oklahoma, and one in Texas. All occupied by military families.

I never sold my homes, I just rented them out to others as I either moved up, or away.

I have many military friends that also rent out their homes as they move... some of them because they depreciated in value and they could not afford to sell them. But now they are enjoying the rental income from them.

It's not as uncommon as you may think.

Posted by: Scott | August 21, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Prostitutes nightly and had an STD no less then 15 times according to John himself.

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McSame is morally corrupt and ethically corrupt.

He was b*nging girls while still married to his first wife.

McSame is a super rich, confused old man who loves to send young kids to die in a war.

Posted by: corruptmccain | August 21, 2008 9:25 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Dementia would be a welcome relief from the civil-liberties-depriving lucidity of Bush & Cheney.

Posted by: OfficerMancuso | August 21, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

We Hillary supporters will not vote for this Hollywood granola eating elitist who thinks that middle Americans cling to thier guns and religion. The extreme left has stolen away the great Democratic party. My vote will go for Mcain who is much more to the center than Barrack "Godamm America" Obama. And no America did not deserve 911!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

McCain's inability to give an answer to the number of houses question indicates more than just he is out of touch.
He's very rich.
He's not mentally sharp; he could have given an answer like "We live in four and we have other houses that are mostly investments."
His memory is fading.

Posted by: Ceee | August 21, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Just a lie
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Obama is out of touch with middle America. He can't even fake it. John McCain did answer the question correctly but it's edited out. So please stop all this nonsense.

Posted by: amelia | August 21, 2008 9:22 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

It's a typical liberal Democrat Socialist class-envy response to try to make John McCain a evil man because he has 7 houses. What these liberal Democrat Socialists and Obamanistas all believe in of course is that all wealth should be re-distributed, or as their Fuhrers Marx and Lenin has taught them, 'from each according to his ability to each according to his need'. One thing though that they have conveniently forgotten is that Barack Obama's one house he owns came about by devious and probably dishonest means. Tony Rezko isn't so dumb as to make special deals and arrangements for Obama, as he did with Obama's one house, without getting something in return.

Posted by: tic | August 21, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

McCain is plagued by dementia.

Keep this angry old man away!

Posted by: tom | August 21, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Or in light of his plunging poll number, he's romancing his most important adviser, Michelle, and trying to make her see that without Hillary on the ticket he's sure to lose.

Posted by: Mimi Schaeffer | August 21, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

I will vote for the first candidate who promises to make it illegal for anyone under the age of 80 to buy those big bass speakers people put in their cars and then drive around all night with their disgusting music at ridiculous, rib-cage rattling volume.

Posted by: Sleepless Geezer | August 21, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

McSame is morally corrupt and ethically corrupt.

He was b*nging girls while still married to his first wife.

McSame is a super rich, confused old man who loves to send young kids to die in a war.

Posted by: corruptmccain | August 21, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

OK, I can forgive him for not knowing how many houses he has because we have all done that.

What I can't keep down is the fact that he needs other people to check out his holdings and and report the number.

Is he that much of a trained monkey now?

"Let me get with my handlers on this and they will get back to you."


Instead of Lieberman, the republicans should invite Carter to the convention so he can throw peanuts to McCain and keep him occupied.

You know what would get me to contribute to the republican party? If they held a raffle where the winner gets to chase Tom Delay around the stage with an aluminum baseball bat for 5 minutes. I'd pay for that chance.

Posted by: K Ackermann | August 21, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Why don't all you people just come out and say "He is a ni&&er and you will never vote for a ni&&er. At least it would be honest.

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Obama was the one who ridiculed people who "cling to guns, religion, and anti-immigration" views. He's the one who is an elitist. His wife whines about how she was treated at Yale. She doesn't realize how lucky she was to have an easier time getting into Yale because of her skin color. Apparently, she doesn't realize that most people don't get the opportunity to attend Yale. Who cares if McCain's wife is wealthy and that they have several houses that McCain is obviously too embarrassed to talk about. At least he and/or his wife paid the full asking price for their homes instead of having someone else like Mr. Rezko pay for a part of their houses(s). Obama is a hypocrite for trying to make McCain look bad when he's even worse. I would rather vote for someone who has 10 houses than someone who has one has that was bought in part by the indicted criminal, Tony Rezko. I would rather vote for someone who had good judgment enough to NOT attend a racist, hate-filled church for 20 years and not know that his pastor felt that way after all of those years.

Posted by: InSearchOfTruth | August 21, 2008 9:21 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Obama is out of touch with middle America. He can't even fake it. John McCain did answer the question correctly but it's edited out. So please stop all this nonsense.

Posted by: amelia | August 21, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

I think Obama summed it up when he said, you guys seem to take pride in being ignorant. You don't even know what you are talking about. All you can do is repeat things you have heard you are not smart enough to read up on it and have an informed opinion. God all mighty, you can't even spell.

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At least he didn't have to get some sleazebag deal from Tony Rezko like The Messiah Obama did. Or get a sweatheart loan from Countrywide like Chris Dodd did.

Posted by: muskrat | August 21, 2008 9:18 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Obama was the one who ridiculed people who "cling to guns, religion, and anti-immigration" views. He's the one who is an elitist. His wife whines about how she was treated at Yale. She doesn't realize how lucky she was to have an easier time getting into Yale because of her skin color. Apparently, she doesn't realize that most people don't get the opportunity to attend Yale. Who cares if McCain's wife is wealthy and that they have several houses that McCain is obviously too embarrassed to talk about. At least he and/or his wife paid the full asking price for their homes instead of having someone else like Mr. Rezko pay for a part of their houses(s). Obama is a hypocrite for trying to make McCain look bad when he's even worse. I would rather vote for someone who has 10 houses than someone who has one has that was bought in part by the indicted criminal, Tony Rezko. I would rather vote for someone who had good judgment enough to NOT attend a racist, hate-filled church for 20 years and not know that his pastor felt that way after all of those years.

Posted by: InSearchOfTruth | August 21, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

What's up w/ McCain? Every time Obama criticizes him, his staff comes out and more or less says, "You can't criticize him on that because he's a POW." What does that have to do with the fact he has 7+ houses or that his wife is worth 100 million dollars? It's getting old.

Posted by: Mary | August 21, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

If McCain thinks Rezko is now fair game, I'd say so is the Keating Five. Does he REALLY want to go there???

Posted by: Judy | August 21, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Oops, forgot to sign that one. LOL

Posted by: Meat and Potatoes | August 21, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

The floodgates have officially been opened. The Teflon that has covered ODD McCain's rear end is wearing off.

Next come the questions that will come. that need answers to.

His connections to the Arizona mob. His late Father in law John Hensley links to a mob boss named Kemper Marley who helped Hensly set up a $200million beer business back in the eighties which in turn was a factor in financing McCain's early political career.

its all about to explode. observe.

Posted by: llewis40 | August 21, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

At least he didn't have to get some sleazebag deal from Tony Rezko like The Messiah Obama did. Or get a sweatheart loan from Countrywide like Chris Dodd did.

Posted by: muskrat | August 21, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

His Excellency Premiere Comrade Barack will put a stop to private home ownership when he takes over that big white house.

Then the oil companies will be next. Then Comrade will take over the hospitals, then the energy companies. Those capitalist Mongrels, who do they think they? trying to make a profit.

Then Comrade can raise their taxes so they pay for everything.

What if the those job creators stop working then?

What will we do then?

Look at history Barry...taxes go up, revenue goes down.....taxes go down...revenue goes up. I know the guy's policies are not pro capitalist.....but GEEZ it ain't that hard......

Posted by: dano | August 21, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Holy Smoke wrote, "meat and potatoes: put some arugula in your pipe and smoke it. (the best way)"

Unlike some folks, I'm honest with my psychotherapist. I confessed to smoking the banana peels and the queen anne's lace. I shudder at having to go back and confess to smoking argula on the same day when I practically had an orgasm eating Kentucky Fried Chicken. I'm not even sure my insurance would cover it.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Re Banshee's comment: my husband and I both were officers in the military and my husband retired as a colonel. We only own ONE house. We've owned several, but only one at a time. Two of my brothers are retired military officers. Neither of them owns a house at all. I really don't care how many house Sen McCain or Sen Obama has--just don't say that it is common for military non coms or officers to own several houses. That just isn't so.

Posted by: lauralew | August 21, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Obama has an interesting campaign strategy decision to make. The convention itself needs to be mostly very positive - talking about what he wants to do for America. I'm sure some of the surrogates will do some McCain trashing but that'll all be in the days leading up to Obama's keynote which nobody watches.

The question is what they do just after the convention and during the Republican convention. Historically some campaigns prety much shut down during the other party's convention but that's been changing. McCain's campaing is clearly not doing that - they're going to Rudy and Mitt in Denver trying to get some attention.

While I'm not a fan of negative campaigning (and don't think Obama is either) they probably need to continue to respond to McCain's negative attacks. To me that means spending a lot of time and money during the R campaign talking about McCain and the Keating ethics failures. I think most American's don't know about that and it's far more serious than any "boneheaded" decision Obama made to associate with Rezko. Nobody has shown ANY wrongdoing by Obama in that...just associating with a guy who was iffy. McCain absolutely made serious ethical mistakes with Keating.

Posted by: Mark Ashton | August 21, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

wow ... simply unbelievable that some of you have to stretch SOOOO far to defend the addled McCain that you can claim with any sense of credibility that it's "normal" for someone to not remember how many houses they OWN!??!?

This passes neither the smell nor straight face test ... I know many folks with 7 figure net worths (sorry, not quite as stinkin' rich as McCain) and NONE of them would fail to know the answer to that question if asked.

This is laughable or scary dep. on how you look at it.

Either he is so out of touch he can't possibly claim any empathy/understanding of what "normal" Americans are going through, or else he is so mentally deficient and addled (which could well be true given his constant factual screw ups: Iraq/Iran/Afghanistan ... so confusing; Shiite/Sunni ... all the same right?; Slovakia v. Czechoslovakia v. Who-knows-What ... doesn't matter even if it hasn't existed in years, right? Without his lapdog/butt sniffer Joe Lieberman there to correct him, he'd be completely lost.

They guy is making Bush look like a Rhodes Scholar.

Posted by: fendertweed | August 21, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Why weren't John Kerry's multiple houses and rich wife criticized in 2004? How about the numerous houses the Kennedys owned?

Posted by: Jayne | August 21, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

K Ackermann | wrote:

I wish people would quit mentioning that McCain doesn't know how many houses he has.

Can't you just let this story die? It's not going to go away if you keep mentioning that we are to trust a person who doesn't have a clue how many houses he has.

When you phrase it like that, you make it sound really bad.

I hope tomorrow people forget that McCain forgets how many houses he has.

Plus, Obama told him today how many houses he has, so now he knows and you can stop talking about it.

It's not like he's one of those old people who stand out on the lawn with their robe open, shaking an angry fist at every car that drives by, mumbling something about wiffy and coon while foam flies from his mouth.

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I also wish people would quit mentioning that McCain doesn't know how many houses he has.

It is unseemly that people won't let this story die! And I agree that it's not going to go away if we all keep mentioning that we are being asked to trust a person who doesn't have a clue how many houses he has.

And yes, I agree, when you phrase it like that, it does sound really bad.

By tomorrow people will forget that McCain has no idea how many houses he has because by then we will, almost surely, have stopped mentioning it in every second sentence

Plus, Obama told him today how many houses he has, K Akkerman told him how many houses he owns, and now I'm telling him how many houses he owns - so now that I'm doubly sure he knows exactly the right number - we can all stop talking about it.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

I believe that the registered voters of ALL 57 States have a right to know that McCain has no clue how many homes he owns.

Posted by: Senior Chief | August 21, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

The NWO got you set off against each other. Don't you get it?

It's not Left/Right. It's not Conservative/Liberal. It's not Republican/Democrat.

SOMEBODY ELSE IS SETTING YOU OFF AGAINST ONE ANOTHER!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Lisa: such a sweet name, such a stupid post.

Posted by: mansizedbreath | August 21, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

What the heck are you talking about. Owning houses is no bargain and you better have some income to pay for the up keep. Renting doesn't cover it. I have six houses in Fort Lauderdale and I can tell you, My insurance and taxes alone are $55,000 a year. If I had mortgages I would be losing money.
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What this story reveals is an appalling ignorance about our armed forces and the military culture.

Had B. Hussein and Cilizza had the courage and patriotism to serve in Uncle's armed forces they'd be aware that for a G.I., partticularly an offoicer or noncommissioned officer, to own several houses is not at all uncommon.

A G.I. is posted to, say, Fort Knox. He buys a house, but when transferred instead of selling it, he rents it out, usually to another G.I.

The rent pays t5he mortgage. Hopefully the equity built up over the years adds to the G.I.'s retirement nestegg.

And if the G.I. is again posted to Fort Knox, he has a place to live.

In Viet-Nam I was aquainted with a G.I., a good Irish Catholic lad, who owned houses in Korea, the Philippines, and in Saigon, as well as in the USA. But he owned the extra houses for an uncommon reason, he has a wife & kids in Korea, in the Philippines and in Saigon, as well as in the States. :-)))

I'm not knocking Catholics, I'm a practicing Catrholic myself.

Posted by: Banshee5 | August 21, 2008 8:58 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

K Ackerman wrote,

"With more houses than he knows how to count, why is that cancerous, surrendering, senile, elitist, criminal spending so much time with lobbyists?

"Does he need more money to forget about? I can see him out in his yard wearing brown and yellow stained underwear digging like a mangy cur trying to find the wads of cash he buried wrapped in Viet Cong newspapers.

"After a while he gives up and wanders over to the half-submerged bamboo cage where he starts rehearsing his concession speech with a puzzled look on his face because he senses something wrong with the phrase 'my fellow pigs and puppies, I touch my genitals tonight because... because...'


"We need McCain like Kennedy needed a parade in Dallas."

Thanks Ackerman. I was on the fence, and you've helped me decide that I can't vote for whoever and whatever it is you support.

Posted by: OfficerMancuso | August 21, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Mark wrote: Obama begin EVERY speech until the election asking,
"Raise your hand if you know how many houses you own?" "

And folow that line with this one: "And how many of you can't afford to own even ONE home?" (Pause, as if to count) "John Feels your pain. He understands how difficult it is to decide which home to go to tonight."

Then, follow that one with "Keep your hand raised if you wanted a house you couldn't afford, so you had your millionaire felon friend buy the lot next to it so you could still get it?"

Posted by: Scott | August 21, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

meat and potatoes: put some arugula in your pipe and smoke it. (the best way)

Posted by: holy smoke | August 21, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

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OBAMA


OWNS 1


But co-owns it with a CONVICTED CONvICT !!!



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OOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPSSSSSSSSSS!!!!


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ZERO.........................


Kenneth Vogel comes up with the answer at Politico that eluded John McCain in his earlier interview. The actual number of houses owned by McCain is … zero. That’s right — the Senator doesn’t own a single property.





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Posted by: Lisa | August 21, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

obiewan

Prepare for a battle royale unlike anything that has ever been seen in politics. I posted that the door would be opening on McCain's past misdeeds just before and during the Dem's convention.

Yeah, yeah Rezko. they will hit OBAMA with it. And he knows it. But its obvius that McCain didnt see this question coming. why in hell would he need his staff to tell him how many homes does he have? must be nice.

And obiewan. I dont like your political leanings but I sure as hell dig your name.

Posted by: llewis40 | August 21, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

What an idiotic column? What polls are you reading? Obama is tanking in every poll. He goes into the Democratic convention with the worst numbers of any candidate in recent history.

I am a Democrat, but there is nothing that excites me to vote for this arrogant, inexperienced no nothing.

Posted by: Political Watchdog | August 21, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Chris, you forgot one very important thing. John Mccain WAS A POW. And he hates to talk about that almost every day. So there. That proves him to be beyond reproach, forever. That unfortunate Keating affair and cheating on his wife and his jet and his multiple homes , I mean "cabins", are not, I repeat not to be spoken of in our beloved media.

Posted by: branfo4 | August 21, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

I don't like to see Fix's patriotism questioned, banshee. Prepare to be swiftboated to oblivion.

Posted by: capilony the IIIrd | August 21, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

A vote for B. Hussein is to vote to place an anti-American foreigner in the White House

Posted by: Banshee5 | August 21, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

The NWO got you set off against each other. Don't you get it?

It's not Left/Right. It's not Conservative/Liberal. It's not Republican/Democrat.

SOMEBODY ELSE IS SETTING YOU OFF AGAINST ONE ANOTHER!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Karlito wrote,

"I must be elitist because I enjoy arugula salad."

There is really no excuse for that. Surely you are a Nader voter who just doesn't realize it yet.

Posted by: Meat and Potatoes | August 21, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Some Republican retard above claims it's quite normal for military men to own several residences. Worth $11 million? But of course everyone does. Where do they find these people.

Posted by: Ottovbvs | August 21, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

He probably has a home in all 57 States.

Posted by: pgr88 | August 21, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

I wish people would quit mentioning that McCain doesn't know how many houses he has.

Can't you just let this story die? It's not going to go away if you keep mentioning that we are to trust a person who doesn't have a clue how many houses he has.

When you phrase it like that, you make it sound really bad.

I hope tomorrow people forget that McCain forgets how many houses he has.

Plus, Obama told him today how many houses he has, so now he knows and you can stop talking about it.

It's not like he's one of those old people who stand out on the lawn with their robe open, shaking an angry fist at every car that drives by, mumbling something about wiffy and coon while foam flies from his mouth.

Posted by: K Ackermann | August 21, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Hey banshee 5 you duck. The Washington Post is the armed forces.

Posted by: the real capilony | August 21, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Larsky wrote,

"This is easily the dumbest article I've read in a long time. It won't go past the next few minutes in affecting the race or whoever Obama may pick as a V.P. Sheesh for the love of Pete,,,Chris, get a job that pays or at least give us a meat issue to discuss."

Another wannabe with broken comma and question mark keys on his machine. This is not the issue of the millenium, but it is the issue of the day, and Chris Cillizza has the responsibility of writing something timely and interest every day, for one of the world's great newspapers. What do you do for a living, Larsky?

Posted by: OfficerMancuso | August 21, 2008 6:17 PM

I am a retired publisher and editor who likes question marks and serious topics whether right, left or center.

So. Captain are you like a plastic Pompous Fanatastic Four Action Figure with articulating arms, legs and brain OR just another wanna be shallow critic.

Larsky

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Banshee5 thinks that "for a G.I., partticularly an offoicer or noncommissioned [sic]officer, to own several houses is not at all uncommon."

I think Banshee5 probably lives next door to McSame - away in that entirely different, magical, America; Republicanland - where everyone owns as many homes as they want to and where everyone is rich and beautiful and has rich parents.

Posted by: Jim Moylan | August 21, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

The whole thing is bloody petty from both sides. Politicians running for President are usually elite and quite wealthy to start with. To paint the other as "out of touch" is ridiculous. When John M. took a stroll the supermarket and the apple sauce came crashing down, that poor guy looked like he had somebody else's skin on. When Obama went roller skating with his family in Ohio or Indiana during the primaries, he looked ridiculous. This back and forth is plain petty. Personally, I want my next President to simply be himself.

Posted by: Karl Warrington | August 21, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

What this story reveals is an appalling ignorance about our armed forces and the military culture.

Had B. Hussein and Cilizza had the courage and patriotism to serve in Uncle's armed forces they'd be aware that for a G.I., partticularly an offoicer or noncommissioned officer, to own several houses is not at all uncommon.


I'm not knocking Catholics, I'm a practicing Catrholic myself.

Posted by: Banshee5 | August 21, 2008 8:58 PM

++++++++++++++++

What kind of a fr-kin' retard are you?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Sorry about not taking credit for my last post. I still expect attribution.

Posted by: ceflynline@msn.com | August 21, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

"Mark wrote: Obama begin EVERY speech until the election asking,
"Raise your hand if you know how many houses you own?" "

And folow that line with this one: "And how many of you can't afford to own even ONE home?" (Pause, as if to count) "John Feels your pain. He understands how difficult it is to decide which home to go to tonight."

A long time ago he was a glimmer of a hero. NOw he is a senile old goat.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

If I were Obama, I would try to find something a little more substantive than this stupid "How many homes do you own...?" garbage. And now I read posts on here about "Keating 5"... which McCain was completely absolved of, and which occurred in 1989... Don't you think it would have been probed pretty closely in McCain's 2 presidential runs?

If that's all he can come up with, I foresee a McCain Victory.

And it's only going to get worse... Rezko, Ayers, Wright... "57 states", "Above my pay grade", his abortion vote in Illinois, his failed CAC program in Chicago... the Republicans are going to have a field day... add to that Obama's lackluster resume as editor of "The Harvard Law Review", where he didn't publish anything... which is unheard of... and his "Somewhat successful" job as a community organizer... and his problems with he and his wife's patriotism.

Compare that to a man who served his country unwaveringly for over 50 years of his life, spending 5 years of that 50 in a POW camp.

So if all of you Obama fans want to debate McCain's houses... go ahead... just prepare to be disappointed in November.

Posted by: Scott | August 21, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

What this story reveals is an appalling ignorance about our armed forces and the military culture.

Had B. Hussein and Cilizza had the courage and patriotism to serve in Uncle's armed forces they'd be aware that for a G.I., partticularly an offoicer or noncommissioned officer, to own several houses is not at all uncommon.

A G.I. is posted to, say, Fort Knox. He buys a house, but when transferred instead of selling it, he rents it out, usually to another G.I.

The rent pays t5he mortgage. Hopefully the equity built up over the years adds to the G.I.'s retirement nestegg.

And if the G.I. is again posted to Fort Knox, he has a place to live.

In Viet-Nam I was aquainted with a G.I., a good Irish Catholic lad, who owned houses in Korea, the Philippines, and in Saigon, as well as in the USA. But he owned the extra houses for an uncommon reason, he has a wife & kids in Korea, in the Philippines and in Saigon, as well as in the States. :-)))

I'm not knocking Catholics, I'm a practicing Catrholic myself.

Posted by: Banshee5 | August 21, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

PauvrePapillon - I forgot to add one more thing. You sound very desperate. Just supports my point that even you understand the gravity of McCain's blunder. This is his $14,000,000 haircut.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

The GOP CANNOT talk about the Real Problems in America, because they caused them all .... So we hear made-up stories about Real Estate Developers (Proven False), and Obama's supposed Elitism.... Then they throw in the usual Racist Stereotypes... and Lee Atwater smiles up from his prominent place in Hell.... and Lee is not lonely because Hell is full of Republicans....

America is Doomed if the GOP were to win... but they won't....
Rational Republicans (What the?) are even disgusted with the Bush/Cheney/Rove years that have almost destroyed the Nation.

They feed on the ignorant, racist, gun-toting Drunks that populate the South... and try to slime their way to Victory...

There is too much at stake in this Election... the American People will see through the GOP sleaze and lies... if not, our Nation is done for....

Posted by: Kelley N. Shepard | August 21, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Anyone can forget how many houses they own, and I think Joe Lieberman was way out of line throwing shoes at John McCain today.

Geez, Joe; knock it off! Pretty soon you will go into shock and eventually you will find that comfortable place and curl up into a ball. Quit crying like a little baby with a pants-full of poop.

Posted by: K Ackermann | August 21, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

How does Obama only have one house? Don't all senators have at least two places of residence? Is he only renting someplace in the DC area?

And he should hardly get on McCain for being rich and out of touch. 4.2mil/year did include his one time book deal, but you know he's got more books to write and the speaking fees he's going to bring in whether or not he's elected president will make Clinton's speaking fees look like charity work.

With the exception of McCain's POW years and a couple years in Obama's youth both these guys have had it pretty easy. At least McCain had to work his way up through the house and senate before getting the nomination for president. Obama's done nothing on the national stage or been a governor like most presidential candidates. The media gave him a ton of attention when he was first elected senator and he was able to use that to fast-track his way to the nomination.

Posted by: B | August 21, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

... and f'rcrissakes, anyone who is anyone has a daddy who will bail them out of the poo when they come near last in a huge class of doofuses and then keep crashing planes. And I promise that I didn't 'wet start' my plane and cause a fire that killed 130 people - that was another - entirely different - playboy fighter pilot who's daddy is an admiral.

Posted by: poor poor McCain | August 21, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

What did Obama make the year before, or the one before that? He made more from the book in one year then he made his whole previous life working. It was more like a lottery winning. After taxes and paying off many bills he doesn't have much of it left. The book is still selling though.

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"$4.2 million a year. Nice middle class income. Poor Obama. He's barely scraping by. What did McCain earn each year in the Hanoi Hilton? Scar tissue."

Fallacious argument: Appeal to pity.

And the more it is abused, the less impact it has. So keep it coming. Wear it out.
Posted by: Michigan Dem | August 21, 2008 8:49 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Three years on the Hill and the man thinks he can be president. Well, at least he's had more federal experience than Bush so he can't be any worse than Bush.

Posted by: MBA, CFA, CPA | August 21, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

PauvrePapillon...there is no indication whatsoever that any of the McCain's homes are rental properties. They are, apparently, all used by Mr. and Mrs. McCain or their family.

I wish I had the time or inclination to read your posts from four years ago where you undoubtedly screamed about John Kerry being an elitist who is out of touch with America, married to a rich woman etc. etc.

Get a life.

Posted by: Mark Ashton | August 21, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

They are both out of touch. Revolution before it's too late.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oVzHm_S0-A&feature=related

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Will you guys lay off my personal life!!
Every American has the right to dump their wife for a better looking, younger, richer, model. Especially one that comes with lots of money and free beer.
I mean - what would you do? It was just a teensy weensy little vow.

Posted by: poor poor McCain | August 21, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

The McCain house is such a non-issue, but the Dems want to chase it. The only place it will lead to is Obama's $1.6 million house (everyone has at least one like that, don't they) and his very shady deal with now-incarcerated convicted felon Tony Rezko. You know, the crooked political operative who helped Obama build his political career, after the unrepentant domestic terrorist Bill Ayers got that career started.

And of course, after 20 years of listening to Rev. Wright preach "screw whitey", Obama probably had no qualms about cutting corners to get his dream house.

Yeah, when it comes to houses, Obama is living in that proverbial glass one.

Posted by: Nick in Virginia | August 21, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

"$4.2 million a year. Nice middle class income. Poor Obama. He's barely scraping by. What did McCain earn each year in the Hanoi Hilton? Scar tissue."

Fallacious argument: Appeal to pity.

And the more it is abused, the less impact it has. So keep it coming. Wear it out.

Posted by: Michigan Dem | August 21, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

I hear they keep finding pairs of little shoes at his properties.

He eats the bones too; why do you think his jaw is so big?

Posted by: K Ackermann | August 21, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Having done some reading on the relationship of Senator Barack Obama
and Tony Rezko, I'm not left with a warm, fuzzy feeling for Mr. Obama. However,
having noticed that Mr. Rezko seems to
be a many of equal-opportunism on both
the Democratic and GOP fronts, I fail
to see why Obama would be less qualified
to lead our nation than the illustrious
Vietnam War Veteran John McCain. Neither
man is worthy of the office for the presidential office both are vying for,
yet it is Mr. Obama who I'm less concerned with as far as literally "losing his mind" while in office. Mr. McCain lost his worthiness way before his Baghhdad, Iraq
assessment where he declared the Green Zone safe. Besides, any man, in this case,
Mccain who clearly beleives that his 100
year war assessment was taken way out of context, shouldn't even be allowed to be near "The Football" or any buttons which could potentially initiate more dangerous wars.

Posted by: Jet-Man | August 21, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse


He can't answer that question. either. If you read his book at one point he was drinking so much and seeing so many women it would be in the hundreds. Ask him how many times he had STD's. The answer, a lot.

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Let's all help McCain count his houses.

Then let's help him count how many times he's committed adultery or bigamy.
Posted by: Jay | August 21, 2008 8:43 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

I had to laugh at FOX NEWS site saying McCain's house gaffe story had NO COMMENTS, Huff Po alone had several thousand responses.

got denial?

Posted by: mark | August 21, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

With more houses than he knows how to count, why is that cancerous, surrendering, senile, elitist, criminal spending so much time with lobbyists?

Does he need more money to forget about? I can see him out in his yard wearing brown and yellow stained underwear digging like a mangy cur trying to find the wads of cash he buried wrapped in Viet Cong newspapers.

After a while he gives up and wanders over to the half-submerged bamboo cage where he starts rehearsing his concession speech with a puzzled look on his face because he senses something wrong with the phrase "my fellow pigs and puppies, I touch my genitals tonight because... because..."


We need McCain like Kennedy needed a parade in Dallas.

Posted by: K Ackermann | August 21, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

YOU LIARS - I'M NOT RICH. I OWN ELEVEN PROPERTIES BUT I ONLY LIVE IN FOUR OF THEM, THE OTHERS ARE INVESTMENT PROPERTIES IN MUCH THE SAME WAY AS EVERYONE HAS A FEW CONDOS AND HOUSES SET ASIDE FOR A RAINY DAY.

Posted by: poor poor McCain | August 21, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

This is the truth about McCain: he is an out of touch elitist. Moreover, much of what is left of the middle class and lower middle class in this country will be reduced to near poverty under his administration. Think long and hard before you vote for John McCain. He pretends to be a man of the people (like W did) but he's far from it.


Posted by: alexadav | August 21, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

I must be elitist because I enjoy arugula salad. However, my apartment, 13 year old car, and 9 to 5 job tells me otherwise.

Posted by: Karlito | August 21, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Let's all help McCain count his houses.

Then let's help him count how many times he's committed adultery or bigamy.

Posted by: Jay | August 21, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Ask Cindy that question. She says she is an only child while she has a sister she swindled the family fortune from.

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McCain may or may not know how many income properties his wife owns but I'll bet he knows for sure exactly how many brothers and sisters he has and exactly where they are and how they are doing.

Can The Messiah say the same?

Posted by: PauvrePapillon | August 21, 2008 8:39 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is the first person I have heard of who has so many houses he can't keep count of them.

My family has one home, and we can barely afford that.

It is so hard to comprehend such wealth. This is not a person that understands the world of the average American.

This is scary.

Posted by: Quin Dwyer | August 21, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

"Another wannabe with broken comma and question mark keys on his machine. This is not the issue of the millenium, but it is the issue of the day, and Chris Cillizza has the responsibility of writing something timely and interest every day, for one of the world's great newspapers. What do you do for a living, Larsky?"...

Actually Captain Mancuso I am a retired publisher and editor who happens to like question marks and keyboard doodads and dislike inane articles that say nothing. I also dislike pompous A-Holes like you.

So, Captain are you like a plastic realistic Fanatastic Four Action Figure fighting evil for the American way with real movable arms and legs and brains. Or just another wanna be critic......????????

Posted by: Larsky | August 21, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

If Obama thinks McCain has been hard on him wait until they unleash the real monsters from his closet. I think the McCain camp is playing rope-a-dope with Obama and leading him right into a trap. Once Obama tries to go hard core negative the Republicans are going to drag all his sordid past out into the open. Then the 527s are going join the feeding frenzy and Obama won't know where to turn for relief. A guy that makes 10X more than McCain made last year is going to have a hard time convincing those bitter small town voters that he is one of them.

Posted by: obiewan | August 21, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

McCain asked his audience,
"How many houses do you own?"

Every hand raised one finger, no need to say which finger

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

McCain may or may not know how many income properties his wife owns but I'll bet he knows for sure exactly how many brothers and sisters he has and exactly where they are and how they are doing.

Can The Messiah say the same?

Posted by: PauvrePapillon | August 21, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Should anyone be surprised that John McSame could not remember how many homes he owns? Not only is that an indication of how out of touch he is with reality but of more concern to me is that a 72 year old man keeps showing signs of losing it.
The only thing he is good at is whining about Obama's popularity. No wonder up to 8 Senators in his own party won't even show up for his convention. Interesting that all of them are up for reelection. That of course explains why they don't to be associated with losers like Bush,Chaney and McSAme.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

"Another wannabe with broken comma and question mark keys on his machine. This is not the issue of the millenium, but it is the issue of the day, and Chris Cillizza has the responsibility of writing something timely and interest every day, for one of the world's great newspapers. What do you do for a living, Larsky?"...

Actually Captain Mancuso I am a retired publisher and editor who happens to like question marks and keyboard doodads and dislike inane articles that say nothing. I also dislike pompous A-Holes like you.

So, Captain are you like a plastic mobil Action Figure fighting evil for the American way. Or just another wanna be critic......????????

Posted by: Larsky | August 21, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

really, they lived in the same area and served on a civic board together. He donated $100.00 to Obamas campaign for the senate.
The kind of donation you make when you happen to be there and get suckered into it. They don't even really know each other. Haven't you done any reading on this crap. Hillary tried to make something of it and it was so ridiculous she embarrassed herself and never mentioned it again.

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How about an article about why the William Ayers story DOES matter?

Posted by: RTGreenwood | August 21, 2008 8:30 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

McCain will give your children the possibilty to become a POW. He will more than likely start some conflict with Iran or Russia because he is still fighting the cold war and is still waiting for the Hostages to be released from their Iranian captures. When he does he will have to bring back the draft because we just don't have enough currently serving. John McCain has supported the stop loss program which has kept thousands in the military past what they have sign up for. In other words a back door draft. The question is do you want to trust your childrens life on a man who seems to love war but can't remember how many houses he owns.

Posted by: wolf58 | August 21, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Lou R wrote, "I wonder if the McCain response to the home ownership, "I don't know response" and the threat/white powder delivery to the Denver McCain office are related. The panicked response from the McCain campaign Rovian minions expressed to me they needed a media diversion...."

Congrats Lou. You've just formulated a statement that will support your point of view no matter what the evidence may be. And your prize is...my prayer that the police never utilize this skill you've discovered, against you.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

McCain's lame comebacks

a noun, a verb, Hanoi Hilton

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Dianne72 - I'd would venture to guess that Michelle Obama would run circles around YOU intellectually leaving you dumbfounded and befuddled. Do you have an Ivy League education? I'm most certain you don't.

And how can the American people possibly trust John McCain with the nation's economy when he doesn't even know how many homes he has? Oh the little people and their trivial desire for details!

Posted by: Kenyatta Ortega | August 21, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

A tempest in a teapot and a distortion for good measure.

McCain made it clear that he couldn't give a complete answer because the McCain's own some houses as investments and not as residences. They own 4 houses that they live in.

People with this kind of money have business managers. The McCain's are rich - so what! The Kennedy's are rich too.

Both campaigns ought to get down to substantive debates and leave all this garbage in the schoolyard.

Posted by: myskylark | August 21, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

”Senator Barack Obama's long lost brother has been tracked down for the first time living in a shanty town in Kenya, reports claimed.”

Obama met his brother in 2006. That’s just two years ago. His brother is currently living in a shantytown on about a dollar a month.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/2590614/Barack-Obamas-lost-brother-found-in-Kenya.html

So this is compassion? This is The Messiah that is going to unite the world?

When it comes to his own money, Obama doesn’t even have enough compassion to help his own brother. Now when it comes to your money, of course, he can be most generous.

No, he’s not an empty suit. He’s a liar and a hypocrite.

Like, Dude, you’re player hating because somebody has a few more houses than you but you can’t even spare a dollar a month to double your own brother’s standard of living?

That’s like really harsh, Dude.

Posted by: PauvrePapillon | August 21, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

McCain calls lobbyists 'birds of prey'? If that's the case then McCain is the 'Birdman of Washington.'

Posted by: Woody | August 21, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

"McCain Just Lost The Election"- my VERY Republican Party Official and Dad.

Posted by: Congress Kid | August 21, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Obama is winning Win Obama Win. Pease keep winning Win The Presidency and our young men will not be drafted if you win, I know it. Thank you for your good work. Thank god we don't ever have to go retro never have to go back to the years of the vietnam war. Please mc stop reminding me how I hated that disgusting war against humanity and how many good soldiers and medics and citizens who died there!

Posted by: Win Win Win | August 21, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

You know nothing about what you are taking about. You are not even smart enough to at least know the details of your claim. If you did you would not bother posting it. Obama by the way got no sweetheart deal. He paid full price and even later purchased the side property at full value. Obama didn't even get a good deal in the first place and has probably lost 300 thousand on the deal to date.

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The real question:
"How many sweetheart deals did McCain get from Real Estate developers that are in jail?"
Answer:
Zero

How about Obama the One?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

How about an article about why the William Ayers story DOES matter?

Posted by: RTGreenwood | August 21, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

$4.2 million a year. Nice middle class income. Poor Obama. He's barely scraping by.

What did McCain earn each year in the Hanoi Hilton? Scar tissue.

Posted by: Bank of Barack | August 21, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

If you add up the the square footage of McCain's seven homes it would be less the mega-mansion that Al Gore lives in. And McCain's seven homes probably use less energy, too.

Posted by: tommy d | August 21, 2008 8:27 PM

++++++++++++

Considering Cindy McCain monthly spending sprees run in the hundreds of thousands, I doubt she would want to buy, much less live in, houses all totaling less in cubic feet than one Gore mansion.

That observation just says how dumb you are.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

There's only one reason McCain's houses matter: Democrats need an issue-- ANY issue to divert attention from Obama's slow and steady deterioration in the eyes of voters.

If McCain was a real estate maven who made his living in real estate, the question might have relevance to his ability to do his job. But he's not. He's a politician. If he looks at his financial portfolio more than a couple of times a year, I'd be surprised.

Posted by: theduke | August 21, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Most of the electorate doesn't care about this.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

'Tis why you ALWAYS and I mean ALWAYS have some like Sen Leiberman on hand.

If Leiberman had been there with McCain, this would NOT have happened. Leiberman would have lean over and whisper, "Senator, you have SEVEN houses all over America."

Who did the schedule for McCain and NOT included Sen Leiberman? That staffer needs to be fired on the spot!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

So, if I bomb innocent people, can I be a Hero, too?

But what if I get caught?

Oh, then I can talk about my "Experience" endlessly, of course, omitting the part about bombing innocents, and all the Rednecks will love me.

God Bless our Innocent and Pure and Gentle (but when stirred to Anger because some other country doesn't do what we tell them to) Nation, our Fragile Island Home.

The Electorate is clinically insane. Doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results.

McSame (only shorter and paler) '08

Posted by: God Bless, Fellow Patriots! | August 21, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

If you add up the the square footage of McCain's seven homes it would be less the mega-mansion that Al Gore lives in. And McCain's seven homes probably use less energy, too.

Posted by: tommy d | August 21, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

"The Democrats are a party of haters."
Posted by: PauvrePapillon.
Yup - the democrats hate always having to clean up the mess after a repub administration
The democrats hate evil rather than creating it.
How many deaths can be laid at the door of repub expediency?

Posted by: Jim Moylan | August 21, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

The real question:
"How many sweetheart deals did McCain get from Real Estate developers that are in jail?"
Answer:
Zero

How about Obama the One?

Posted by: Peter from Dover NH | August 21, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Hmm. I remember a Post article that glammed up BO's campaign. THe article was all about the "groundbreaking" designs that the fashion designers made of his campaign tee's. Funny how that is not elitist but this is. Liberals. Whatta you gonna do?

Posted by: Fightertom34 | August 21, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

PS. The only thing McCain IS guilty of is buying into the stupid, pointless game of being ashamed of having lots of stuff.

As long as it is legal, why is it our business?

It doesn't make him a bad person. Instead, we should be concerned whether his work as a politician can help make America a better place.

This is political correctness taken to absurd limits.

Posted by: Truth Seeker | August 21, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats are a party of haters. The Messiah is their hater-in-chief. Twenty some years in the Reverend Jeremiah Wright’s “church” but he missed the ninth and tenth commandments and now openly covets his rival’s houses, servants and, most of all, his wife.

Yeah, Mrs. McCain is older than Mrs. Messiah but she has her own money, didn’t even need for her husband to arrange a $350,000 a year payoff job for her as a "diversity manager".

More importantly, McCain wears the pants in his family. The Messiah needs to get permission from his angry black woman to walk out of the house. The Messiah can’t even imagine what life would be like as a man in charge of his own household.

But even more to importantly, at least as far as this campaign goes, is that McCain doesn't have to worry about his wife being videotaped trashing the United States.

Yep, let’s get the Messiah on an extended player-hating rant about McCain's wife's houses. That's really going to belay the fears of the working class that the narcissistic man-child just might not be ready to be president. Sounds like a winning strategy to me.

Posted by: PauvrePapillon | August 21, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Don't think I've ever seen so many trolls on the one thread?
It's kinda fun - like visiting the zoo.
(If you won't put your name to it then it isn't worth reading.)

Posted by: Jim Moylan | August 21, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Well, here we go again. Proof that our so-called candidates and their election machines have nothing to offer us. These juvenile arguments are sickening....but I guess we get the leaders we deserve. I was once in favor of Obama.....but now I see that no great change will come from him either. Guess we'll still have to wait for the Messiah or our Philosopher King. Maybe make the Dalai Lama a citizen, change the Constitution and elect him!

Posted by: Brian | August 21, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a good man who is compromising his principles in an attempt to become president. This gaff is at least one or two nails in his presidential ambitions for a very simple reason: millions of Americans will no longer think that he understands them. The Republicans made great hay out of John Kerry's "blue blood" upbringing, marriage to a wealthy woman and high-falutin' habits like wind surfing. Relevant to his ability to be a good president? Probably not. But it was very likely one of the two big reasons he lost the election (the other being that he was swift-boated).

McCain blew it. I won't say it's over but...I don't see him overcoming this.

Posted by: Mark Ashton | August 21, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Obama is such an amateur. He's in complete freefall. Go to any college campus and you'll hear the same class warrior b.s. Remember, the "community organizer"? The same morons knocking on doors about this or that? That's the O-man. BTW, He's going down hard.

Posted by: Sean | August 21, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

It is amazing that Obama would zero in on how many homes McCain owns.

The bigger question is "How many wooden boxes does Obama's half-brother George Hussein Onyango Obama own?"

We've just learned that Obama's half-brother lives in a wooden box just outside Nairobi, Kenya. He claims to live on less than a dollar a month.

One would think that one so concerned about housing would be concerned about the "housing problem" of his own blood kin. One would think that someone who has made millions from book sales would stoop to help out his own disadvantaged relative.

How many half-brothers and half-sisters does Obama have that are living in squalor?

Obama - Poverty we Can Believe In.

Posted by: The Moving Finger | August 21, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

NEW Obama ad campaign:
Ask a dozen of the wealthiest people in America "if they know how many houses they own?"
Oprah, David Geffen, Steven Spielburg, Jimmy Buffet, Bill Gates,,,,etc.

Posted by: Mark | August 21, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

How to win an election in the US?

Go for the "Stupid" Vote...

They're the biggest bloc.

See: G W Bush 2000, 2004 Presidential Elections

Posted by: Go USA! Yeee Haaaaw! | August 21, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if the McCain response to the home ownership, "I don't know response" and the threat/white powder delivery to the Denver McCain office are related. The panicked response from the McCain campaign Rovian minions expressed to me they needed a media diversion--what is better than a "False Flag" attack coupled with negative ads. They themselves suggest the gloves are off (serious matter) as this statement by McCain shows him to be out of touch with the U.S. electorate and this has cost candidates their desire. George Bush Sr. could not relate to a super market scanner---that did it for him. McCain is clueless as to how many residences are in his family; an ultimate elitist response!

Posted by: Lou R | August 21, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

As usual, you are wrong!!

In fact, IT DOES NOT MATTER how many houses McCain owns.

Better to concentrate on what kind of leadership skills he displays.

And likewise, why don't you investigate your guy's lack of same?

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_lost_annenberg_years_co.html

Posted by: Truth Seeker | August 21, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter who wrote,

"...McCain played the POW card..."

That phrase rubs me the wrong way. I don't think anyone who spent four or five years in a captivity so severe that it was fairly routine for captors to break his arms on purpose, can ever be accused of "playing" that as a card.

How many "cards" do feminists play, on a daily basis, if we're going to use the word "card" that way, and how severe an experience, relative to the Vietnamese captivity of John McCain, were the feminist experiences?

"Card" here seems to mean "life experience that you keep going back to when called upon to orient yourself politically." That's not a bad thing, whether it's McCain or feminists doing it.

Posted by: OfficerMancuso | August 21, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Look out landlords, the Obama camp is coming after you.
WHY is it a crime to own multiple homes?

Posted by: CR | August 21, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

I am a socalist please vote for me, because I have Hope and Change. I hope the USA becomes socalist and we change McCain's houses for the Homeless. Please Vote for me. BHO.

Posted by: Obama | August 21, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

McCain is plain embarrassing. Almost last in his class. Destroys five aircraft but still retains pilot status because his daddy is an admiral (even though there is a good chance that he was culpable in the deaths of 130 fellow servicemen). Shot down and captured and then given special status because daddy was an admiral. An adulterer who leaves a crippled wife to marry an heiress for no reason except greed.
etc etc
plain embarrassing

Posted by: Jim Moylan | August 21, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

NEW HERO! The Person of the Day who asked McCain the important question, "how many houses do you have!" Way to GO. My Hero! Please interview this Cool Human Being! And Brave!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

As many of us have suspected for some time, people like intcamd1 and the other more venous Cltinon supporters are actually Republican trolls, bent on creating mischief. We read their posts and get caight up he arguing the merits of Clinton as VP or we trade insults with them. All of this is, of cours, a waste of time and begs a very big question - if Hillary Clinton has so many fanatical supporters, supporters who will vote for her and no one else, why is it that she is $25 in debt? How is it that, in the two months since she ended her candidacy, that she has managed to raise just a bit more than $1.5 million, and most of that from a few corporate donors? Hummmmm? I don't think Hillary has much support at all. I also think the surest ay to identify a paid Republican boiler room blogger is to see a post from a r-e-a-l-l-y fanatical insulted Cltinon nut job. They are, I submit, all Republican's....

Posted by: mibrooks27 | August 21, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps the media might finally cover McCain's involvement in the Keating 5, his affair with Cindy during his marriage to the (disabled) woman who waited for him all those years while he was a POW only to see him dump her for a rich trophy blonde, his extreme temper which has destroyed most of his professional relationships - it's not his maverick status that has alienated him from much of Washington, and, of course, let's really start exploring his age and the pitfalls of letting an elderly war hawk take the reigns of the nuclear arsenal.

John McCain, not this time, not this year.

OBAMA '08

Posted by: OBAMA '08 | August 21, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps then the media might finally cover McCain's involvement in the Keating 5, his affair with Cindy during his marriage to the (disabled) woman who waited for him all those years while he was a POW only to see him dump her for a rich trophy blonde, his extreme temper which has destroyed most of his professional relationships - it's not his maverick status that has alienated him from much of Washington, and, of course, let's really start exploring his age and the pitfalls of letting an elderly war hawk take the reigns of the nuclear arsenal.

John McCain, not this time, not this year.

OBAMA '08

Posted by: OBAMA '08 | August 21, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

"$4.2 million last year." earned, not from the wife"s daddy

Posted by: ziggy | August 21, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Hey Barry, why don't you buy your step-brother a house. Looks like he could use one. Or maybe send him $20/month.

And reporters, try asking Pelosi or Feinstein how many housing units they have? The answer might run up into 3 or 4 digits.

Posted by: Imrighter | August 21, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

It gets worse...McCain played the POW card to explain away this issue. As in he lived in one house for 5 and a half years---a prison. I guess his campaign thinks there might still be an American who wasn't aware that McCain was a POW.
I wonder if other POWs can't remember how many houses they own.

Posted by: Cathy | August 21, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

The truth is, Mcain might just as well say. " Let them eat cake",

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

'In McCain's case, he destroyed five American aircraft." Did he attend the Dick Cheney school of marksmanship?

Posted by: ziggy | August 21, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Brilliant "strategery" Obama Machine.

We know that McCain is rich. So, your wunderkind want to point out wealth?

$4.2 million last year.

Six figure incomes as "organizers?"

A mansion bought under a cloud as your "one" home?

I don't see the issue turning out so well in the long run.

House envy, Barack?

Posted by: Charles Rangel Realty | August 21, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

hey, I live in 4 of them, the rest are money machines... once I sell them at a hefty profit. (waiting for a bail out)

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 21, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Does this post have enough comments?

Posted by: capilony the fox | August 21, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

The Chicago media has never been known for pulling its punches. They thoroughly investigated Obama's house purchase, and couldn't find anything out of order. The Republicans are inventing scandals where they don't exist. Which is par for the course, and only to be expected.

As for John "Seven Houses" McCain, he's a target-rich environment. Hey Republicans, now you say it's 11 or 12? Wow, that ought to quiet things down. Maybe McCain's people will put that one out there next.

Want to know what they called McCain while he was in the military? Ace, as in Ace McCain. Want to know why? You're an "ace" if you shoot down five enemy aircraft. In McCain's case, he destroyed five American aircraft. And the only reason he was a pilot to begin with is because he was protected by his daddy the admiral. Otherwise, he'd have never made it through Annapolis, much less flight school.

McCain's record in Congress is abysmal. His colleagues loathe him, which explains why very few Republican senators or representatives will be attending the Republican Convention. They think he's too crazy to be trusted with the presidency.

As for flip-flops, McCain has made so many of them that it's impossible to keep track. The most recent is when he said that Colorado's water agreements should be negotiated. A week later, he reversed himself. Wait, that wasn't the latest. The latest was a couple days ago, when he told a woman who wanted to reinstate the draft that he agreed with her; within hours, his campaign took it back.

McCain will say anything to anyone when he thinks it serves his interest, and the media has done nothing but protect him because he's a former POW with a soothing radio voice. And then there's his overly wife, a Stepford drug addict who screwed her half-sister out of tens of millions of dollars and denies her very existence.

Obama, are you going to expose this charlatan, or are you bound and determined to be a gentleman loser just like John Kerry was? Time's running out, Barack. Get your a** up off the matt, take off the gloves, and go after John "Seven Houses" McCain with everything you've got.

Posted by: Fightin' Democrat | August 21, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

said it before... I will say it again, people who live in glass houses should not do qualudes....

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 21, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

If Newt, Rudy and McSame speak at the GOP convention, there will be 5 ex wives and 5 extramarital affairs between them. Ahhh, family values. Will Mark Foley, Larry Craig and David Vitter also speak.

The Republican gubernatorial candidate from Washington state, Dino Rossi isn't even going. Maybe afraid he'll be photographed in the Minneapolis/St. Paul airport can, toe tapping with Larry.

Posted by: ziggy | August 21, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Senator Obama full into trapped in regards
to Senator McCain houses that he negative
ad. Now McCain can reply how Obama house was obtained through Rezko.

Posted by: marcos | August 21, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

This is truly stupid. Surprising that McCain has to face it--Republicans are almost never cast this way--but stupid.

None of it's based in reality. Bush was an Ivy league cheerleader from a patrician family, but portrayed by the media as a cowboy.

Cillizza writes --"Thanks to a very effective Republican branding campaign (and with a major assist from Matt Drudge) the image many voters had of Kerry was of a windsurfing"

Um. Thanks to the media, which loves to pimp these kinds of stupid narratives. Are we really back to "the guy I want to have a beer with?"

How'd that work out for you last time? Can we please talk about something that matters?

Posted by: Monk | August 21, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

I was a POW in Vietnam, though I don't like to talk about it. By the way, did you know I was a POW in Vietnam?

Posted by: John McCain | August 21, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

DO the Kennedy's know how many homes they own ? I would be more worried if he knew. It obvious that McCain is not effected or focused by his wealth or his wife's wealth. Whereas Obama needed $300,000.00 kick back from Rezko to buy his Mansion. Chris Cilliza is a puppet for Obama who spent his entire life in a Anti-American, Racist, Hate Mongering Chruch.

Posted by: wpi | August 21, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, you guys really want to start with criminal connections? Obama's ties to Rezko are nothing compared to McCain's to the Mob. NOTHING.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Hey Dianne72, you're a c*nt!

*This message has been approved by the John Sidney McLame for Preznit Committee.

Posted by: haha | August 21, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Oh please, Chris.

I realize you're supporting Obama , which is your right but this is a silly thing for Obama to bring up, especially from someone who bought a mansion through a convicted felon at a below market price and got a specially 'discounted' home loan in the bargain.

McCain doesn't even OWN any of the properties..his wife does, and they primarily went to her kids and relatives something McCain probably doesn't even keep track of.

Is this the best you got?

At least McCain never voted to let helpless infants who survived abortions die from neglect and then lie about it like Obama did.

Pity this site doesn't allow links, but google Obama and the Born Alive Infant Protection Act or Obama and the related
Induced Infant Liability Act and make your own decision.

Even Barbara Boxer and NARAL didn't have the heart to oppose that one.

Now THERE'S a story worth covering.

Posted by: Robert | August 21, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Carrie in DC, This is America you can own as many houses as you want. But buying one with the help from a crimal...now thats the question you should be asking. In Texas we own one house but the ranch is worth more than all of McCain or O'Barry's houses. Get R Done!

Posted by: Eddie | August 21, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

WHINERS = people who know how many houses they own

Posted by: mark | August 21, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Have you ever noticed that idiots like Dianne72 come up with crap that has been thoroughly discredited, primarily because their ears are glued the to business side of Rush Limbaugh's rectum?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Listen the man does not know how many freakin houses he has, he thinks being rich means someone that makes five million dollars. Come on people, this guy is lost. He knows nothing about economy, and it shows. Maybe you millionaires out think he should be the next president. Sorry I'm struggling to keep my head above water!

Posted by: Tee | August 21, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

you whippersnappers... get off my lawn (s) !!!!! X 7

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 21, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

wawawawawawawaw.. hahahahahah obama is losing.

Posted by: gunclinger | August 21, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

The reasons the McCain doesn't know how many houses he owns are two-fold: 1) He's not even close to an average American, since he dumped the wife who waited for him while he was busy being a POW for a trophy wife who happens to be an heiress to a beer distributorship fortune. You can't blame the guy for saying that rich starts at $5 million, when anyone who has less than $5 million is "the little people." You know, the only ones who laws apply to.

2. The guy is over 70 freaking years old. I mean, your memory, let alone you judgement, starts to get addled when you're that old. I mean, sure, he can remember that there was such a country as Czechoslovakia at one time, but who can blame him for still thinking it exists? And, you know, just because it turns out that he and Cindy didn't actually have that conversation with Mother Theresa convincing them to adopt their daughter, doesn't mean he's a liar. And when it comes to the Keating 5 scandal, just because he doesn't remember a whole host of things about that doesn't mean he's lost his faculties. There's one thing he does remember, and you better remember it too: he was a POW, so he can do NO WRONG!

Posted by: duh | August 21, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

John yells from his recliner,

"C*NT, how many houses do we own?"

she answers, what's this "WE?"

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Turns out John McCain only eats his sandwiches on...

CIABATTA.

How many ordinary working Americans can even pronounce that word? I'm guessing more know how to say "arugula" than "ciabatta." (Oh, and at least Obama worries about the price of the arugula; McCain just gets Cindy to pay someone else to pay someone else to pay someone else to buy it.)

Who's the REAL elitist eater?

Posted by: jo | August 21, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Have you ever noticed how it pains Michelle Shaniqua Obama to sound articulate when she speaks? It's almost as if at any moment she will slip back into ghetto-speak and start ranting about "whitey". This is probably what we will see when they release the "whitey" tape in October.

Posted by: Dianne72 | August 21, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

It's really going to work for him just like it did with Hillary. Mccain has no where to go. Obama is going to connect with these people, you can see it. He has never been behind in the polls since the beginning and he will add to it. Mccain has every vote he will ever get right now.

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The bigger story today is the out of touch comment made by Obama in regards to China's infrastructure. This guy is an idiot. Course, we will need to cut him some slack since he said it in his newly learned "folksy" way.

Posted by: jwbeuk | August 21, 2008 7:44 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line, Obama and Michelle made their money, McCain's mistress turned wife got it from daddy.


Posted by: ziggy | August 21, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Obama begin EVERY speech until the election asking,
"Raise your hand if you know how many houses you own?"


IMAGINE
Grampy all snug for the next 4 years in one of his minimum of four houses...none of them WHITE

Posted by: Mark | August 21, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

OMG CNN is talking up McCain? Obama is one point up and still falling, and they have just said he changes his mind to many times for the american people! People think he has no clue what he is talking about...LOLOL...CNN!! Gee they didn't stay on this house crap...LOL
Obama you in deep do do here.

Posted by: news junky | August 21, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Quite seriously, John and normal facts are becoming severely disconnected. On a regular basis facts that might ordnairly just there when one needs them slip off and only seem to be there. Just the way John went to what should have been a flippant, well, I do have seven houses, but then..." except all of the thoughts just rode off into the sunset. Consider this: while there is provision in the constitution to declare a President mentally incompetent, there is no provision for dealing with a President who is becoming progressively more incompetent from Alzheimer's or progressive senile dementia. John IS warning us. Consider the state of the country if it takes a year for the dementia to become so blatant that Congress has to remove him from office. Consider what that wold do to the country. And if it is slightly less swift, consider such a man going through that collapse, slowly, over the life of his administration. iF the Republicans secure the election of John McCain, and his mind is already past the recovery stage, and he gives us three deteriorating years of mental collapse, WHO will be responsible.

Posted by: ceflynline@msn.com | August 21, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

I see the GOP clowns are out here spinning in a desperate attempt to stop the bleeding. McCain stepped in a big pile of poop, and you are going to hear about it for the next 8 days.

I can't believe the RNC played all their pathetic smear cards all at once. What a strategic blunder....it will all be ~poof~...and you can't play the card a second time.

Posted by: SWB | August 21, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Ouch!!!

Posted by: NoOneImportant | August 21, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

You have to listen to the clip. It is very telling. Not that Mccain didn't know how many houses he has. But his total confusion with the question. He sounded lost and just stumbled through an incoherent answer. His "Senior moment" is more the story.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Put the Original Maverick out to pasture at his AZ ranch!

Posted by: Carrie in DC | August 21, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

So Obama negotiates a not-unusual 15% discount on the price of his house, notifies a developer friend that used to live across the street that an additional piece of property is for sale, and then later purchases a 10' wide strip of that property for above market value. Months later his friend is indicted on unrelated charges. That's the best you can come up with on this guy? What about the fact that the 'Moral Majority's' nominee left his wife for his mistress?? It's ok, I guess ignoring things we can't deal with is a coping mechanism.

Posted by: JS | August 21, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Obama did not know he was attending a racist church for twenty years and his minister/mentor/father figure hated America. He did not know for seven years that this church and father figure believed that the victims of 9/11 had it coming.

Great guy. Wonderful human being. Let's make him president.

Posted by: bronxguy | August 21, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

The bigger story today is the out of touch comment made by Obama in regards to China's infrastructure. This guy is an idiot. Course, we will need to cut him some slack since he said it in his newly learned "folksy" way.

Posted by: jwbeuk | August 21, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

You don't even know what you are talking about but what is new about that.

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Like Obama has room to talk after receiving a house in a deal with a convicted felon. What a bunch of baloney. I'm sure he wasn't asking the hollywood granola eating sanfran fund raising crowd how many houses they owned. But I guess us little people can take out our frustrations by clinging to our guns and religion. More left wing Wapo MSM BS.

Posted by: Jmand | August 21, 2008 7:41 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Like Obama has room to talk after receiving a house in a deal with a convicted felon. What a bunch of baloney. I'm sure he wasn't asking the hollywood granola eating sanfran fund raising crowd how many houses they owned. But I guess us little people can take out our frustrations by clinging to our guns and religion. More left wing Wapo MSM BS.

Posted by: Jmand | August 21, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

The sleazy NObama is now using Clinton years as a testament to how he will govern? Did n't he compare Clinton to Nixon and held up his admiration for Reagan when he ran against HRC? Does this guy have no shame?

Well I take that last question back.

I can only hope and pray that the Nob somehow did not settle on HRC. That would be a disaster.

The best part of my day was when I opened my copy of the Journal and saw that 52% of all CLinton supporters don't support Nob, and will either sit home or vote Mac. Bravo! The rest of my fellow CLinton supporters, don't be shy, don't be browbeaten by the thugs of the Dem party (yes, the same thugs that blithely looked the other way as the Nob campaign and his prostitute media pals piled on HRC using all kinds of dirty race and sex cards) that somehow you need to unite and vote the Nob, and forget all that happened.

Nothing has changed; just read the daily column of the media prostitute Mo Dowd; she is still spouting anti-Clinton venom till today, even as the Nob is praising HRC for her trail blazing campaign. You know who is sincere and who is not between them; the venom is real. This is how all the gutter rat groupies of Nob feel towards the CLintons. As soon as the Nob is elected, he will throw CLinton under the bus (heck, he did that to his fine grandma and his beloved pastor of 20 years).

Posted by: intcamd1 | August 21, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

That's a laugh, coming from Obama who owns a 2+ million dollar house, except he didn't pay the going price, he had his pal, convicted felon, Rezko, pay the difference.

People who live in glass houses should not throw bricks, in case the bricks land on their heads!

Obama is a joke - his handlers should tread softly and not showcase Obama's own greed and under the table dealings.

Posted by: alee21 | August 21, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, but there's no story here, other than BO getting whipped by a typically searing Republican attack. I doubt whether Ma & Pa Kansas or elsewhere sees any difference between BO and MAC both living high on the hog. Only you elitists inside the Beltway would consider this a worthy story.

On the other hand, MAC came in and took advantage of an opening. First, pointing out BO's hypocrisy, and second, getting the chance to let BO have it on Rezko. If I were BO, I'd be rolling out my VP choice first thing 2morrow morn. although that's just going to open up another can of worms for BO, if it's not HRC.

Halli Casser-Jayne
http://www.thecjpoliticalreport.com

Posted by: Halli Casser-Jayne | August 21, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Why is John McCain's adultery treated as "old news" but his POW status is in absolutely every article written about the guy? He was an adulterer AFTER he was a POW.

Posted by: ziggy | August 21, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

McCain's view on Iraq is the proof that he is out of touch. It did not surprise me that he did not know how many homes he owns. Does he understand the economics of the Iraq war?

Posted by: John McHomes | August 21, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

That's a laugh, coming from Obama who owns a 2+ million dollar house, except he didn't pay the going price, he had his pal, convicted felon, Rezko, pay the difference.

People who live in glass houses should not throw bricks, in case the bricks land on their heads!

Obama is a joke - his handlers should tread softly and not showcase Obama's own greed and under the table dealings.

Posted by: alee21 | August 21, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

With John Kerry, the former DEMOCRAT nominee owning no telling how many homes and Obama getting help buying his with a convicted felon............
Do the Democrats really want to go here?

Hello President McCain!

Posted by: DEM now IND | August 21, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Let us interface the years and the George elder in association with the savings and loan of his day. Then zoom shouldering old daddies Bush and MCCain. Hmmm Irvine, California, condo foreclostures how many does MCAIN own in IRVINE, CA? Smoke signals of longtime corrupt banking practices Older Bush knows all too well. Here we have oddly enough two super rich aggresive bad temperments who care little for the ecomnomics of their day. I think Mccain got George w senior to help him out again and again. It is obvious senior Bushs once press girl, married to clintons former press guy wouldn't have the money to spread lies about Obama without the former president Bushes help. Oh only get the books out to help his chipflunk friend Mccain. Stupid stupid old stupid parlor tricks. Didn't someone write a movie(colors)? we had a recent president in the 1980's behaved badly with a man in Miami who did have AIDES, were they lovers?

Posted by: Keating 5 Most likley edited bias wikipedia | August 21, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

McCain's response was reasonable. The WaPo said he owns 4, Obama says it's 7, USA Today found 11 and then amended it to 12. These are investment propoerties, none of which were bought with the help of a convicted felon. This will blow up in Fauxbama's face as the MSM may now be forced to actually investigate Obama's ties to Rezko.

Posted by: Jarbo | August 21, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Amazing that some people will simply parrot the latest neocon propaganda, regardless of the facts.

Barack and Michelle Obama have only recently PAID OFF THEIR STUDENT LOANS with money from Obama's book sales.

John McCain didn't even write his own books - Mark Salter wrote them - google it.

Posted by: bam | August 21, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

BillyC, I retract the word "little".

Posted by: ziggy | August 21, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

It's not just that McCain (Cindy) has 7 homes, but also that they are worth over $2 million each on average. That's obscene!

And he can't even remember how many there are? I would give him credit if he guessed off the cuff and said 5 but 2 were up for sale or something like that. But he didn't even guess because even 5 homes is obscene and he knew it. He didn't want to get painted like the true elitist he is and it's blown up in his face.

McCain used to be somewhat more respectable, but that was 8 years ago when he was more genuine. Since then he's sucked up to every possible power broker in America; he'll say or do anything to get elected. He's sold what little integrity he had left.

Posted by: Carrie in DC | August 21, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

..at least McCain could articulately answer a 7 year old's question on 'why do you want to be president'. Go look at that video on youtube b/c the Post would never do a story on that Obama (or any) blunder

Posted by: Doug | August 21, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Dijetlo, that's a very impressive post, best I've seen tonight, and I'd like to give every sentence save one a standing ovation.

The one sentence that gives me pause is when you suggest that calling Obama an abortionist is akin to calling him a Muslim.

Can you point to *any* evidence to contradict my claim here and now that Barack Obama is the most pro-abortion member of the United States Senate?

Posted by: OfficerMancuso | August 21, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

It would be nice if Mr. and Mrs. Kerry called a press conference to defend McCain's seven or eight residences and expenditure of $300,000 for household help.

Perhaps the Obama campaign could ask them to do this favor.

Posted by: Danno | August 21, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

One problem is these twenty-something Obama twits live at Starbucks and wouldn't know a property portfolio from a house blend decaf.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

McCain, the mouth and voice of the North Viet Cong, now he come home as a hero, what wrong with this picture, Bush and Cheney are real heros or cowards. John McCain, will probably call them heros..
Because McCain does'nt no the differents..

Posted by: Levario | August 21, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

WAS THIS A 'DISINFORMATION' SET-UP THAT'S GOING TO BOOMERANG ON OBAMA?

What if: McCain was told to look clueless when he was asked a question that someone may have suggested to the Politico's Mr. Vogel, who was an unwitting pawn in someone else's game.

McCain stammers and feigns ignorance. Politico has its story.

Then the McCain forces get ready to unleash their latest and greatest from the Tony Rezko-Barack Obama real estate deal -- the one in which a convicted felon allegedly subsidized the purchase of Obama's home by doing a questionable transaction involving that adjacent piece of property.

Indeed, maybe Obama was set up from the get-go, drawn unwittingly into a deal that would later be used to derail his presidential hopes. And maybe Rekzo was part of it, and is taking the fall, only to be rewarded later. This, of course, is just a theory. But it's interesting to speculate.

So Obama may have taken the house bait. But he may have checked into the Roach Hotel instead. And once you check in there, you don't get out. And you don't get to the White House.

Now, all of the above is speculation. But stranger things have happened.

In any event, Obama and his people once again reveal their naivete by making an issue over McCain's "gaffe" when the blowback could badly damage his flagging campaign.

BUT WILL THE ELECTION EVEN MATTER? Not when government-supported "vigilante injustice" squads are "gang stalking" American citizens, making a mockery of the rule of law:
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/get-political-vic-livingston-opinion-expose-state-supported-vigilante-squads-doing-domestic-terrorism
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/zap-have-you-been-targeted-directed-energy-weapon-victims-organized-gang-stalking-say-its-happening-usa-1


Posted by: scrivener | August 21, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

If by "own" you mean is his name on the deed(s), then he may not own any of the homes. Some are in Cindy's name, some are held in trust for the children. However, we all know how Barack bought his mansion ... we also know that Barack steered millions to the hospital where Michelle works and, in the same year, she was given a salary raise of 195M ... yes, that was her raise in one year. Yeah, I can relate to that. Can't you?

Posted by: Mandelay | August 21, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Here's two direct quotes from this has-been Vietnam War "Hero", Senator John McCain:"I am here to serve, but not as president." (April 2007) And, "Straight Talk focuses on appeal via authenticity."

Based on the first quote, It sounds like a typical John McCain slip of the tongue. As for the second quote regarding Straight Talk, "Authetic Arizona Mobster" comes to
mind. So far Mr. McCain's so-called "Straight Talk" has just developed way too many curve-balls and bumps in a very dangerous road. John McCain's abuse of his vietnam War Status and his remarks pertaining to working hard to control his temper should send up very Red Flags to everyone from VFW members to every open-minded Patriotic American. We can ill-afford The Arizona Mafia's Best Friend
as our next president.

Posted by: Jet-Man | August 21, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Will it have legs?
It could. The idea your so rich that you can't remember how many houses you own is not a good selling point with the American people. We prefer the guy who will have a beer with us, not the guys who bangs on the door for the rent.
Tie this together with Gramms "nation of whiners" comment and government by corporations, for corporations that roughly describes the last 8 years and your bridging the near universal revulsion of the Haliburton/Cheny administration with the McCain campaign.
McCains personal history plays into this story as well, he's got silver spoons three generations back. Son of an admiral who was the son of an admiral...it's pretty easy to portray that as nepotism and if the current "job satisfaction" numbers for Baby Bush are any indicator, we've had about enough of flunkies and nepotism.
Garnish it with the investor class spiking gas prices with their lust for speculation (read easy money), the oil companies making profits normally associated with the GDPs of industrialized nations, flat wages, the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer at record rates during the Republican administrations....
Yeah, that's a theme and that will resonate.
As for Rezko et al...I gotta point out, the rightwingnuts have accused this man of everything from being an Islamic sleeper terrorist to being a Communist fifth columnist, a member of a Christian "hate church", a godless abortionist, an empty suit, a Svengali... right wing media has become the theater of the absurd and is largely ignored. The national consensus is they'd accuse the guy of being a Klingon if they thought for a second we'd believe it.
The other difference is, McCain actually can't remember how many houses he owns, that has the advantage of being true.
Who knows, maybe the truth will set us free this time....

Posted by: dijetlo | August 21, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

McCain last owned a home himself with his ex-wife. He lost both homes in the divorce, after he decided he wanted to marry his mistress, who was from one of Arizona's wealthiest families. So McCain divorced the wife who waited for him all those years he was a POW. And he married Cindy McCain.

McCain never wanted his ex-wife to come after him for more money. So all assets were placed in his new wife's name as they were acquired. This was in sharp contrast to what most couples do, which is to place homes in joint name, regardless where the money came from for the payment on the home.

Since then McCain has been a kept man, who lived a lifestyle much grander than his salary as a public servant might have allowed.

If this is being in touch with America, then I'll eat the deed my wife and I received when we purchased our home and placed both names on the title.

Posted by: Dannoday | August 21, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

It boggles the mind that Obama would have followed John Kerry's playbook, spending the last month not doing anything about McCain's attack machine. It's not as if he wasn't warned. In early July, McCain hired Karl Rove's right-hand man. What the hell did he think would happen?

I'll be interested to see whether or not Obama will change course in a significant way. The seven-houses gaffe presents a golden opportunity to hang a millstone around McCain's neck.

The man is either too rich to care how many houses he has, or too senile to remember. Of course, they're not even his houses. They belong to his SECOND wife, the one he married after playing around on his first wife.

This is the same second wife who got herself addicted to narcotics; who has repeatedly lied about being an only child (the purpose being to cover up the fact that her half-sister was screwed over in the inheritance department); and who falsely claimed to that a visit to Mother Theresa inspired her adoption of two kids.

Now come on, Obama, are you going to show some stones and get out there and fight fire with fire, or are you bound and determined to be another gentleman loser, just like Kerry was?

Posted by: Fightin' Democrat | August 21, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

That isn't out of touch, people.

That is early stage Alzheimer's.

Believe it.

Posted by: ceflynline@msn.com | August 21, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

I wonder when and how McCain will use the "POW defense" to explain why he wears $520 shoes. Or has a budget of almost $300,000 for "household help."

The man was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. He's always been out of touch with real American's real economic concerns.

Late-breaking news! The house-count is now up to 8. Does that include all the 6 houses on his Arizona ranch or are they being treated as one? And the $700,000 condo for his daughter? Is that on the list?

Out of touch.

Posted by: jo | August 21, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

TOP 10 SIGNS THAT THE GUY HELPING YOU BUY YOUR MANSION IS UNDER INDICTMENT

Your new friend Tony Rezko shows up at your Illinois state senate office with the land surveys for your adjoining lots hidden in his trench coat

Rezko insists that his wife likes your wife, but never takes off her sunglasses or gets out of the car to talk on account of shyness

When splitting the cost of co-buying the joint properties, due to some cool accounting thing you only owe $10 for your half

Rezko's share of the down payment is cash he carries in brown paper bags that has greasy stains and "Iraq oil for food program" printed on them

The guys who work up on top of his telephone pole for hours have "FBI" printed on the back of their t-shirts

The Sheriff often stops by to tape papers to Rezko's fence

Rezko doesn't wander over the perimeter of your joint properties, just shakes his head and points to his ankle bracelet

When he and Louis Farrakhan run into each other at Trinity Church on Sunday, he winks in your direction and they do a "fist bump"

The guy "Ahmed" at Rezko's homemade-ice-cream party looks a lot like the picture on Homeland security bulletin tacked to the Illinois senate side door bulletin board

When you turn on the TV after dinner, Rezko's on the news sitting at a table in front of a judge and a jury

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 21, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Maybe "the original maverick" needs to be put out to pasture at one of his 7 homes. Isn't one of those his ranch in Arizona? Hope it has lots of grazing land.

Or maybe he can visit his good buddy Bush in Crawford.

Posted by: Chris | August 21, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

That isn't out of touch, people.

That is early stage Alzheimer's.

Believe it.

Posted by: ceflynline@msn.com | August 21, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

How many houses does the average voter have?

not hard to count to Zero.

I guess McGoo just worked a lot harder than everyone else, that's why he deserves more houses than he can count.

That's the beauty of America.

If you work hard all your life, you'll find out that capitalism is not fair and that it is a Lie.

It only works for a few, and it requires a vast exploited population... What we used to call Slaves, Later Immigrants, and now China.

Next will be Africa... Again.

Golden Rule, People.
It's the only Fair Way.

Posted by: Zero Houses Voter | August 21, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

I'll tell you what's a shame.

In exchange for sweet deal on a mansion, The One We've Been Waiting For funneling almost $15 million in taxpayer money to a convicted felon like Tony Rezko.

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I'll play your dumb game. You connect the dots from Obama to Rezko and Rezko to Obama and show us how Obama knew that Rezko was a criminal.

Since you have never known anyone that has done something that you had no idea that they were doing.

Take the challenge...I dare you.

Posted by: Justonevoice | August 21, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Remember that McCain paid $250,000 for "staff" at his 7 places last year. $250,000 in income would place him the top 5% of all earners, but he could spare that much after taxes for "staff." No elitest he.

Don't forget that Cindi sent McCain luggage to pack when he left his loyal first wife for her.

And to follow one early comment in this thread, remember what Pat Buchanan (that Pat B.) said about McCain earlier this year-- McCain is the only guy that could make Dick Cheney look like Mahatma Gandhi. Doesn't that put the fear of God in you!

Posted by: DC Lawyer | August 21, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

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Ziggy,
My I suggest that you uy a few tubes of Preparation H ?

You act like you are in a lot of pain.

Posted by: BillyC | August 21, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

How many of you keyboard warriors don't know how many houses you own?

He was having a "senior moment". He didn't even cover it very well. I used to kind of like this guy, but not now. He is old, forgetful and hotheaded. Not a man to trust.

Posted by: ziggy | August 21, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

On the heels of the LAT/Bloomberg survey showing Obama dropping 10 points since June comes another piece of bad news from Reuters/Zogby. Their new poll, conducted Thursday through Saturday (August 14-17), shows McCain taking the lead away from Obama - a 12-point turnaround from last month when Obama led by 7:
cCain 46 (+6)
Obama 41 (-6)

CNN: 8/21/08 (THE OBAMA CAMP NETWORK); troubling news for Obama as he gets set to accept his party's nomination in Denver. What can Barack Obama do to reverse his continued sudden slide in the polls? Name Hillary Clinton as his running mate!!! It would turn the Democratic National Convention into a love-in. 4,438 delegates locking arms and singing "Kum-Ba-Ya’’!

Consider this finding from the new Wall Street Journal-NBC News poll out Wednesday night. A bare majority of Clinton supporters, say they will vote for Obama. Twenty one percent favor McCain, while 27 percent are still undecided or say they will vote for "someone else.’’ More than half of Clinton’s supporters are still not on board with Obama! The holdouts tend to like McCain more than Obama and have more confidence in McCain’s ability to be commander-in-chief.

Would Clinton add to the ticket? Apparently. The poll shows Obama leading McCain by three points. If Clinton were at the top of the ticket, she would be leading McCain by eight.

"The Last 100 Days"
Hon. James David Manning, PhD.

www.atlah.org/broadcast/ndnr07-28-08.html

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

God forbid we talk about the real issues America faces. As always politicians detract from real issues, cause they have no real solutions.

Posted by: Concerned | August 21, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Obama and McCain are the candidates for president, no one else.

McCain has 7 homes and can't even remember it??? What other little details might he forget if he was president?

Nobody with 7 homes is in any way and average American in touch with the common man!

Posted by: GCE | August 21, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

barack obama vacationed on a "private beach" in hawaii... john and cindy OWN a private beach, or 3

Posted by: k.m. deal | August 21, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

What a stupid question to ask! It is such a NON-STORY! McCain knows where he lives in Arizona, and he knows where he lives in DC, and Cindy probably owns both properties because she has money and he doesn't. If he doesn't know about her other properties it's because he doesn't go hang out there. Not like John Kerry who could give you a detailed inventory of the brownstone on Beacon Hill, the beach place on Naushon, the waterfront estate on Nantucket harbor, the ski house in Ketchum, and the 23 room townhouse in DC. McCain is "out of touch" about those properties because he doesn't CARE about those properties. They're not his. End of story. Obama, on the other hand, would remember all his properties because of the great deal he got from Rezko on them.

Posted by: Vast Right Wing Conspirator | August 21, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

If these comments are representative of the USA's electorate, they're proof that democracy is a serious mistake. Not one out of twenty has anything useful to say, though every one seems suffused with passion - mostly the passion of hate.

I will tentatively hold out hope for democracy by assuming without benefit of evidence that people who post here are unrepresentative of the American people.

Very tentatively.

Posted by: OfficerMancuso | August 21, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Thanks BillC, appreciate it. Now please go away. You are looking a little silly.

Posted by: ziggy | August 21, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Not sure how many houses they own?

Hmmmm, could it be that it's not too many for him to count but that he's beginning to have memory problems?

Most of us have no problem memorizing and remember, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 phone numbers.

McCain's not sure how many houses they own across America? Too many?

Or.

Memory problems? [aka a Reagan problem]

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

This is a non-issue for McCain and smacks of the Obama camp's desperation to turn anything into an Obama selling point in the wake of plummeting polls.

Does Obama think this stands up against the "clinging to God and guns" statement he made behind closed doors to the San Fransisco elite?

People know the McCain's and they know their history of wealth. People would be more suspect if the McCain's DIDN'T have 10 houses with the income they have.

Obama should be embarrased.

Posted by: Patriots Against Obama | August 21, 2008 6:54 PM
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As a matter of fact it does. And if it doesn't for you, you should consider reevaluating the things that you believe.

Earlier in the year, Obama made the God and guns and bitter comment. Though to some it was an indelicate statement, it is nonetheless true. When people feel hopeless and like things are out of their control, they cling to those things that they CAN control. That is why more poor people attend church every Sunday or Saturday sometimes for bible study on Wednesday because their belief is something they can control and they pray for relief.

The NRA has kept its membership up and has kept its profit margin up even in a time of recession because when things go wrong you will have your gun to protect you and yours.

For the most part people tune out of politics because they believe that most politicians will say anything to get in to office and they have felt the let down year over year when the politician that pledge to fix the one road that leads in to the town let that road get more and more decayed. People become bitter, they stop believing and they become apathetic. There are bunch of fancy words that could describe this state of mind. But when those words are you used you call the user an elitist because you had to take precious time to look up the meaning of the words used.

Then you say well he doesn't speak like one us, but when he does you take it as a slight.

Americans are bitter, everyday that you realize from the very candy to the steak has risen higher in percentage than the raise that you receive. That means that you are paying more for the same bread and cheese and milk, simple staples that you need to have available in home even if you don't have children. So when the man says that the other candidate is not like us, but he can not if were to save his own life tell you how many homes he owns...that my friend shows that he is not like us. I own one. The mortgage is due. I didn't buy any cheese, just bread and milk. How about you?

Posted by: Justonevoice | August 21, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Without an iota of doubt, the recent responses from Sen. McCain especially in context of crucial issues of national interests that fundamentally challenges his thorough knowledge if any at all of the socio-economic downturn that Americans are facing conspicuously demonstrated the lack of accountability on the part of Mr. Maverick.

I am completely astounded that he cannot even be accountable for what he possesses and in that case how is we sure he will be able to responsibly account for the lives of Americans at home and overseas? Given his response in California with Pastor Warren that in his mind an average rich person should be one who takes home at least $5 million per year and now this factual comments about his lack of knowledge as to his properties reminds one of an individual that is so rich that he cannot even give account of what he owns.

During the both party’s presidential primaries campaign, the same Sen. McCain claimed that American’s troop level was back to the pre-surge level, while in reality that statement was a factual fallacies. The implication is not far fetch; McCain was able to cut out almost about 50, 000 Americans or thereabout given his response to the troop level. Not one but almost thousands of the same troops that are fighting to keep the country safe.

Retrospectively, McCain could not account for the numbers of American troops prior or after the surge, and now his houses are so many that it is a matter of getting the answer from his staff! It’s funny though, since that response manifest an individual that is not only out of touch with Americans, but with his possessions and if he cannot account for what is his own, how can the people of America expect him to account for their interest as a commander in chief?

It is indeed a thing of shame that a would be presidential candidate does not even have an account of his personal possessions and with the conflicting news, it is not surprising therefore that his campaign is scrambling to give any answer that might appear logical to the people of America irrespective of whether it is true or not.

Such irresponsibility in accountability should never be tolerated, since McCain as manifested have the tendency to forget or maybe lack the necessary acumen to be accountable, a quality that is absolutely crucial and indispensable for a commander in chief.

God bless USA

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse


A private beach in Hawaii? There aren't any.
Posted by: ziggy

Sorry.

Blue collar workers in Virginia, North Carolina, Michigan and Ohio don't make that distinction.

The just see Obama taking his trips to Hawaii, Europe and the Bahamas and wonder why he won't bother to take an hour to visit and pay respect to our hospitalized soldiers.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

And how many homes does Al Gore have? John Kerry? Ted Kennedy?
Why does not remembering how many condos your wife purchased matter? I guess thats worse than not remembering the hatred that your pastor preached in church for 20 years.

Posted by: amist | August 21, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

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Yes, yes, Ziggy.

Of course.

Your command of rhetoric, debate tactics and sheer presence has me on the ropes.

No more, please.

Posted by: BillyC | August 21, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

"wonder why he won't bother to take an hour to visit and pay respect to our hospitalized soldier."

He has, numerous times. I wonder why McSame can't remember how many houses he owns. Senility?

Posted by: ziggy | August 21, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

McCain is an opportunist first and everything else afterwards - otherwise he'd have a handle on his own campaign. Allowing Rovish types into his campaign IS his undoing. I like McCain (less now than before). I don't think McCain has the temperment nor the intelligence to be president per the manner in which his campaign has regressed as of late. I sure hope that he doesn't turn too desperate. If he does he won't be re-elected as a Senator.

Posted by: Nestmaster | August 21, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Obama's money shows how a minority can be successful if he/she works hard.

He is a good example and inspiration for all ordinary American people.

Posted by: loveandpeace | August 21, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Remember that McCain paid $250,000 for "staff" at his 7 places last year. $250,000 in income would place him the top 5% of all earners, but he could spare that much after taxes for "staff." No elitest he.

Don't forget that Cindi sent McCain luggage to pack when he left his loyal first wife for her.

And to follow one early comment in this thread, remember what Pat Buchanan (that Pat B.) said about McCain earlier this year-- McCain is the only guy that could make Dick Cheney look like Mahatma Gandhi. Doesn't that put the fear of God in you!

Posted by: DC Lawyer | August 21, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Great. Now terrorist attacks on McCain offices.

Threatening letters in the mail with white powder in them. Great way to shut down offices.

First Hamas endorses Obama and now terrorist letters are sent to McCain offices. Who needs more Secret Service protection? Obama or McCain?

And Obama is attacking McCain over houses that his wife owns.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 21, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

A private beach in Hawaii? There aren't any.
Posted by: ziggy


Sorry.

Blue collar workers in Virginia, North Carolina, Michigan and Ohio don't make that distiction.

The just see Obama taking his trips to Hawaii, Europe and the Bahamas and wonder why he won't bother to take an hour to visit and pay respect to our hospitalized soldier.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Is it even imaginable to have any respect for a person who posts this:

"There are enough bimbo's in McCain's past to staff a Hooter's franchise"

under the screen name, "Anonymous"?

Posted by: OfficerMancuso | August 21, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Billyc, but oh the imagery, Obama and family cavorting on a PRIVATE beach ion Hawaii. Not a PUBLIC beach (like they all are) where REGULAR people go, a PRIVATE elitist beach.

If your are dumb enough to not see it, vote for the old guy. He is your type.

Posted by: ziggy | August 21, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

That is a lie geared to the incredibly ignorant. It obviously was not lost on you though. Enjoy your mental fog

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It is a shame that McCain and his brand has been so successful at dumbing down the electorate to the point where people like you genuinely believe that the top 3 to 4 percent of the wealthiest wage earners in America make about $40,000 American dollars a year!


I'll tell you what's a shame.

In exchange for sweet deal on a mansion, The One We've Been Waiting For funneling almost $15 million in taxpayer money to a convicted felon like Tony Rezko.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 6:57 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

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No doubt there are many out there for whom the election hangs in the balance on the point of McCain using the phrase "private beach in hawaii".

Gee, thanks for you intuitive, relevant and well thought out comments, Ziggy. You may have turned the election.

;-)

Posted by: BillyC | August 21, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

It is a shame that McCain and his brand has been so successful at dumbing down the electorate to the point where people like you genuinely believe that the top 3 to 4 percent of the wealthiest wage earners in America make about $40,000 American dollars a year!


I'll tell you what's a shame.

In exchange for sweet deal on a mansion, The One We've Been Waiting For funneling almost $15 million in taxpayer money to a convicted felon like Tony Rezko.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

"DON'T FIGHT IT!

It's all over. Obama will be the next President and anyone who votes against him is a racist.

It is time to right all the wrongs that have been done to African Americans for the past 300+ years (Slavery and Global Warming).

As soon as President Obama takes office Mandatory slave reparations should be taken from all rich whites with incomes over $50,000.

In addition, mandatory Affirmative Action MUST be instituted for a minimum of 50% of all positions at colleges/Universities, the news media (Especially the Washington Post) and corporations nationwide.

Naturally all African Americans in the prison system for alleged crimes against whites MUST be released immediately.

This will be a good beginning to atone for white crimes and racism."

Yeah, it's the white man's fault that blacks were sold for cheap booze. It's also our fault that you wouldn't last 5 seconds in your own country. Lastly, no, a horrible idea is letting blacks out for crimes against white people. Grow up. You're paid in full every time your people jump in line for that free money check so you can go "grocery shoppin' from the gobment".

Posted by: TWBNick from YouTube | August 21, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Vote Magoo he's an adulteror too! - You left out all the stuff about McCain's multiple adulteries, his philandering, between marriages, the fact that is former spouse WAS PAID to keep her mouth shut, and was SUED by his mother when she didn't! There are enough bimbo's in McCain's past to staff a Hooter's franchise. Moreover, he was evidently kept it up, because now there are several women he has had RECENT affairs with coming out of the closet! You want mud? You're gonna get mud!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Senator McCain can't use the google. He owns at least 7 homes. He wants to stay in Iraq another 100 years. He's already been the target of ethics investigations in the US Senate. His advisers think Americans are "whiners".

This man isn't like me.
He doesn't represent me.
He sure doesn't understand my life or my problems.
He is not prepared to address my needs as a citizen.
He will not get my vote.
End of story.

Oh, and Chris: Keep up the great reporting. You, E.J. and Eugene R. are the only writers worth reading in the Post anymore...and I gotta have my fix!!

Posted by: brizzle | August 21, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

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Still have to laugh every time I think on Bill Clinton in the White House as First, um, gentleman (?) ;-) . Imagine him there for four full years (maybe eight) with NOTHING to do..........except..........

Posted by: BillyC | August 21, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

A private beach in Hawaii? There aren't any. McSame can't even get his insults right.

Posted by: ziggy | August 21, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

The 4 mill Obama made last year because of his book deal is like winning the lottery. It is more money then Obama made all of his previous adult working life. Obamas entire net worth can not pay Cindy Mccains AMX bill for more then a few months.

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This article is such a load of crap. Because McCain does not know how many houses, condos, etc. that he, his wife, daughter, and aunt own, he is an elitist out of touch with the common man. That does not even pass a simple logic test. The author is simply trying to portray McCain in the Republican stereotype.

Obama made $4 mil last year-- not bad for an Activist. His wife got a raise at U. Chicago from 100,000+ to 300,000+ when Obama was elected to the Senate. His wife is on the board of a company that made mucho bucks from union hating Walmart. (I'm sorry but quitting does not rid oneself of the greed and hypocrisy.) Evan Bayh's wife is on seven (she may not know exactly how many) Boards worth +800,000 and sits on the ETrade board while her husband is a member of the Senate banking committee. The list of filthy rich Democrats is too long for this comment area.

There is no bigger a Big Oil guy than Al Gore although Post commenters only seem to know of Bush/Cheney. Harry Reid (who has set up three sons as lobbyists/lawyers so they get their more than fair share of the loot). Pelosi, Feinstein, Boxer, Kerry, Edwards, Kennedy, Clintons. To read garbage like this article, you'd think these guys wear clothes from the Goodwill.

Sorry Chris C. Open your eyes brother. The little guy is used for his vote and thrown a minnow while the Godd--n, hypocrite Dems divvy up the money between them. Tell me-- why does the little guy stay little? What has 50 years of hitting the little guy up for his vote gotten him?

Posted by: RTGreenwood | August 21, 2008 6:47 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

This is a non-issue for McCain and smacks of the Obama camp's desperation to turn anything into an Obama selling point in the wake of plummeting polls.

Does Obama think this stands up against the "clinging to God and guns" statement he made behind closed doors to the San Fransisco elite?

People know the McCain's and they know their history of wealth. People would be more suspect if the McCain's DIDN'T have 10 houses with the income they have.

Obama should be embarrased.

Posted by: Patriots Against Obama | August 21, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

McCann like obama are not involved in the daily lives of their families in regards to finances and real estate...seems to me McCanns wife owns most of the real estate and an accountant runs the financial aspect of their lives...yet McCann is more accessable than obama is, where southside politics means don't trust anybody asking for help...

Posted by: Dwight | August 21, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Yea this is more damaging than Obama upholding Infantcide in Illinois? Your such a poser and Obama puppet Chris!

Posted by: Your the Joke | August 21, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Well said 'Blue State Moron.' You just listed the states that are propping up the majority of the red state's economies; preserving their right to remain 'independent.'

Posted by: JS | August 21, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Ozzy,

If Hillary is in, do you think Bill wouldn't be far behind.....

Posted by: conspirator | August 21, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

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;-)
People who invest in real estate do not always take title in the same way (ie same entity or name).

If Mccain had said that "he" owned 5 when "he" owned 3 and his wife owned 4 or some were in an LLC or (you get the idea), he would have been kicked in the head for that.

A no win situation.

I would rather have a person stumble over this non-issue question any day than fall into the disaster answeres that Obama gave at Saddelback on the beginnin of life and abortion.

On balance, the Dems are stretching, scrambling and look desperate.

HRC, are you there?

Posted by: BillyC | August 21, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

To those who say Redzko bought or helped pay for Obama's house, SHOW ME THE PROOF, show me one link from a credible news organization and i will believe you. Until then get your facts straight. You are the same people who thought Dubya had never done coke or voted for him because he was a christian. He sure did give you christians a bad name, now live with it...

Posted by: Prove It | August 21, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

McCain isn't the only one whose wealth Obama and his band of socialist, collectivist creeps want to re-distribute.

They're gunning for pretty much everybody who earns more than $40,000 a year.
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Anyone who use wealth and $40K a year the way you did missed their fundermental years of education.

It is a shame that McCain and his brand has been so successful at dumbing down the electorate to the point where people like you genuinely believe that the top 3 to 4 percent of the wealthiest wage earners in America make about $40,000 American dollars a year!

Whew....we are in trouble.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

So Obama funneled $14 million to Rezko... I saw the ad....let's see if the MSM picks it up.

Posted by: Mammie | August 21, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

This article is such a load of crap. Because McCain does not know how many houses, condos, etc. that he, his wife, daughter, and aunt own, he is an elitist out of touch with the common man. That does not even pass a simple logic test. The author is simply trying to portray McCain in the Republican stereotype.

Obama made $4 mil last year-- not bad for an Activist. His wife got a raise at U. Chicago from 100,000+ to 300,000+ when Obama was elected to the Senate. His wife is on the board of a company that made mucho bucks from union hating Walmart. (I'm sorry but quitting does not rid oneself of the greed and hypocrisy.) Evan Bayh's wife is on seven (she may not know exactly how many) Boards worth +800,000 and sits on the ETrade board while her husband is a member of the Senate banking committee. The list of filthy rich Democrats is too long for this comment area.

There is no bigger a Big Oil guy than Al Gore although Post commenters only seem to know of Bush/Cheney. Harry Reid (who has set up three sons as lobbyists/lawyers so they get their more than fair share of the loot). Pelosi, Feinstein, Boxer, Kerry, Edwards, Kennedy, Clintons. To read garbage like this article, you'd think these guys wear clothes from the Goodwill.

Sorry Chris C. Open your eyes brother. The little guy is used for his vote and thrown a minnow while the Godd--n, hypocrite Dems divvy up the money between them. Tell me-- why does the little guy stay little? What has 50 years of hitting the little guy up for his vote gotten him?

Posted by: RTGreenwood | August 21, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Final version....


TOP 10 SIGNS YOUR ELITIST NOMINEE'S GETTING REALLY DESPERATE

Accuses his rival of cheating at Saddleback, when the questions were just about the candidates own beliefs and defining life experiences -- and he still lost

Starts drawing up longer and longer "short lists" of VP picks who "complement" his deficiencies: i.e. they have actual experience, qualifications, knowledge of the issues, a record of proven action and a professional body of works

Starts drawing up shorter and shorter "long lists" of reasons why an old white lady is a bad choice for VP

Declares "my wife is off limits" but immediately after plasters her barely-prettied-up glowering face all over glossy magazine covers

Realizes that he's not proud of America anymore, now that America hates his wife

Purple lips take on a bluish tinge

Opens up vigorous, coordinated attack front against rival over rich wife's holdings, including number of houses, and that purse and shoes she wore two times

Opens up vigorous, coordinated attack front against rivals' "$5 million dollar means rich" joke -- that rival said was a joke

Realizes that $300 Million dollars spent to help electorate get to know him hasn't worked out, and he'll only have another $100 Million or so to spend before November

When the phone rings at 3 a.m., it's Barack calling Hillary, begging her to be on his ticket

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 21, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

If McCain brings up Resko--who is a crook, but not with any help from Obama--does Obama counter with the not just the Keating 5, but the sweetheart deals that McCain has engineered for a developer in Arizona, Donald R Diamond a huge McCain contributor? Diamond bought federal land at less than market prices with McCain's help and made millions from the sleazy deals. McCain's waltz with the unethical didn't end with the Keating 5, it's just that since apologising for being a crook he seems to have taken on the aura of a saint in the view of the Beltway.

But hey a noun, a verb and POW.

Posted by: Thomas Fiore | August 21, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

dl, you wear your new found righteous indignation well. How did the Arkansas savings and loan go for you? Wasn't a problem for you in 92 and 96 was it. Difference is one of the principals was a partner in the scheme the other was a "best friend"

Posted by: nepenthe | August 21, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Bring up Rezko and Obama's ex-pastor and all the rest. Perhaps then the media might finally cover McCain's involvement in the Keating 5, his affair with Cindy during his marriage to the (disabled) woman who waited for him all those years while he was a POW only to see him dump her for a rich trophy blonde, his extreme temper which has destroyed most of his professional relationships - it's not his maverick status that has alienated him from much of Washington, and, of course, let's really start exploring his age and the pitfalls of letting an elderly war hawk take the reigns of the nuclear arsenal. I would love for it to get real nasty.

Posted by: Songbird | August 21, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

I take back any of my personal ideas about who Obama should pick as vice-president, because his so far inability to handle to an idiot like McCain glaringly points it out.

There is no choice but Clinton. Then set her free, and McCain is doomed. She will rip him to shreds.

And she has more international experience than Obama and McCain put together.

Posted by: conspirator | August 21, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Once again the posters miss the point. Who called Obama an elitist? John McCain, the same guy who thinks if you make under 5 million you are middle class. The same guy who doesnt know how many houses he has because he is so in touch with regular folks. And Hillary wouldnt have made him cry, she made Bill cry because she isnt the leader or orator that he is.

Posted by: Ozzy | August 21, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Tim can your friends who own all those homes tell you how many they have...

probably they can because they are fiscally responsible and have to answer to those financial responsibilities and challenges...

you know the ones that all americans are facing...

Posted by: dl | August 21, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, I'd feel like our country was in REAL good hands with McCain's cheek muscles twitching maniacally and his 5th-from-the-bottom-in-a-class-of-800-at-Andover level of intelligence causing him to threaten Kim Jong Il with nukes at the slightest provocation. It's the loose cannons (ask Republican Senator Thad Cochran, who expressed terror at the thought of McCain with his bizarrely uncrollable temper as CIC) like McCain who are going to get us into more wars and finally totally bankrupt this country in EVERY sense. The guy's an out of control flake who was clearly never appropriately treated for his obviously horrible POW experience. We've seen how an ultimately immature and paranoid tough talker (Bush 43) can bring the U.S. to the edge of ruin. You want MORE, McCain backers? We and our families all have to go down in flames because YOU guys have some silly cowboy vision of the Presidency and a willingness to wield military power to validate yourselves personally? Why don't you just wear a kick me sign if that's the insane type of President whose salary YOU want to pay? Strength and toughness don't have to be accompanied
by asinine chest thumping like McCain engages in continuosly.

Posted by: DD | August 21, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Obama claimed the Rezko deal was "bone-headed"!

Obama maintains his relationship with Rezko was "above board and legal" but has admitted bad judgment, calling his decision to involve Rezko "a bone-headed mistake."

So glad Obama gets along swell with the felons!!!

Let's not elect this self-admitted "bonehead"!

Posted by: Cory | August 21, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

It is a building block in what will be a cage they are about to put Mccain in. They are going to begin to corner him just the way Hillary did to Obama. Hillary had people thinking she was some kind of working class hero and Obama is doing the same to Mccain. The difference is with Obama he wasn't any kind of elitist but it began to stick, With Mccain it not only can be alleged but proved. I don't think Mccain is going to be able to turn this strategy, he is going to be stuck with this label the rest of the campaign and it will get worse.

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Cramos wrote:
"Hey Comet boy......do you support baby killing like OBAMA does?"

I write a post agreeing with Chris about the *political* implications of McCain's gaffe and the hey everyone is going to make of this over the next week and THIS is your reply?

Bravo Cramos, you win the non-sequitur of the day award!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 6:28 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

New McCain ad on Rezko, hammers Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjC2AlWy6CI

New McCain ad on Rezko, hammers Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjC2AlWy6CI

New McCain ad on Rezko, hammers Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjC2AlWy6CI

Posted by: Paul | August 21, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Mr. McDougall,

I rightly agree with your assessment of the Obama campaign. Any half way decent democrat should be mopping the floor with McCain right now, because it is so obvious our troubles under George Bush will continue under McCain.

Hillary would have had McCain sobbing in the corner by now.

Posted by: conspirator | August 21, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

depenthe

The focus is getting us out of this whole...but middle-class and children first...

not millionaires, oil companies, energy speculators, and defense contractors first as has been the policy for the last 8 years.

there will be no blank checks...but the guy in charge is not going to believe in the policies of the last 8 years.

and his leadership team is not going to be the lobbyists who got us those last 8 years.

Posted by: dl | August 21, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

The houses issue does not matter. I have friends from all walks of life who have lots of houses. One middle eastern friend has three or four, depending on whether you count partnership or now. Another African American guy have lots of houses in the Philly suburbs...He bought them to flip them. well...he is in a bit of bind now with the housing crisis.
7 houses do not make anyone an elitist.
A person who associated with a person like Ayers who harbor terrorist intentions but is also a professor..that is more elitist...worse...is more of "we are above everyone'
One who mixed with Auchi, a supplier of weapons to terrorist group...that is worse than an elitist...that is "we are above everyone"
The things hidden about Obama are scary...getting special treatment from the mortgage company...getting assistance to buy a 1.65 million dollars house from Rezko...

Posted by: Tim | August 21, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

It's stories like this which make me love politics so much. It's the funniest form of entertainment possible because it's so spontaneous. You're just reading along, expecting another trollfest smearing the candidates with no good reason when WHAM, they hit themselves in the face harder then seems physically possible.

Posted by: John | August 21, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

There once was a man named Rezko,
As a felon, he got fellatio,
Barack came along and needed some cash,
So Rezko gave him a payoff with real estate!!

Posted by: Minnie | August 21, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

If you like the way our country is going now, just vote for McCain and continue the downslide (for ordinary people that is).

Increasingly higher energy and food prices, because alternatives will not be provided except as boutique items.

Increasing concentration of wealth.

Increasing surveillance and police action.

Looking at the economy from here in our heartland in Indiana, where our county just hit 10% unemployment and rising.

And what is our government doing to alter policies to combat these trends?

And you think McCain will stop it. Ha.

Posted by: conspirator | August 21, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Nepenthe

the dems were not too stupid

bennett and mcCain are odl cronies of Washington now that are close...

they have known each other for 20 years ...

this is the ethics committee...the same committee that "admonished" Larry Craig...

look at the details of that Keating case...they are not good for Mccain...they smell badly...

Moneys from inlaws changing hands...and contracts being rewarded and flights and eyars of preferential treatment... bad...

yeah they were best of friends...and meanwhile this guy was doing bad things to the entire COUNTRY... while McCain is having him over the with all of his senator friends.

it's bad.

Posted by: dl | August 21, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

dl,
no, Nancy, Ted, Kerry, Feinstein, Reid, etc aren't running but an Obama presidency will give them a blank check to do what they want. These people will be his law makers. No thanks.

Posted by: Nepenthe | August 21, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

McCain isn't the only one whose wealth Obama and his band of socialist, collectivist creeps want to re-distribute.

They're gunning for pretty much everybody who earns more than $40,000 a year.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

First, they're not houses. They're presidential palaces.

Second, don't attack John McCain just because he's rich. It's not against the law to dump your wife for a 25 year old beer heiress, is it?

Third, it's also not against the law to rack up six-figure credit card bills, wear $500 shoes, and fly in your own private jet
while trashing others as 'elitist,' right?

Finally, don't dare question McCain about anything. He's a POW, so just back off. If he wants to run this country into the ground by following the Bush plan on the economy and Iraq, you'll just have to accept it. He earned that right back at the Hanoi Hilton.

Stay classy, McMaverick.

Posted by: LESD | August 21, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

I find it really funny that so many right-wingers posting here jump so heavily on the Rezko story. It's a story that's been hashed out over years in the media, and they've abandoned it for good reason -- no evidence exists that there was any impropriety in the deal.

I won't go into detail, because Obama's campaign has already done so in rebuttal to Jerome Corsi's rehash of the issue, which is clearly where the wingnuts posting here have gotten their info.

Here's the link to Obama's rebuttal:
http://obama.3cdn.net/a74586f9067028c40a_5km6vrqwa.pdf

It must be Corsi's book where people get this "information," or maybe it's those crazy emails I keep seeing circulated..

Why people will believe a random email that some random guy wrote over believing newspapers who actually hire investigative journalists is completely beyond me. I guess it's the same sort of mentality that promotes medical quackery and the like. People like thinking they know the truth and that others don't. It makes them feel special.

Well, they're *special* all right, but probably not the kind they'd hoped. :)

Posted by: Gonzeaux | August 21, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Interviewer: Hey, Barack, what's 2 + 2?

Barack: Well, it's really how you look at it. 2 + 2 what? Could be two zeros, that'd be zero. That answer is above my paygrade.

Interviewer: Hey, Barry boy, is killing healthy babies wrong?

Barack: Hell no! Kill all the white babies!

Interviewer: Excuse me, Barry?

Barack: Someone please fix the teleprompter!

Posted by: TruthinDenver | August 21, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Obama is starting to look pathetic. The day after finding out that McCain has not only caught up with him in the polls but in the Reuters/Zogby poll McCain is ahead by five points, Obama comes out attacking by complaining that McCain has too many houses?!!
Good grief! Is this the best he can do?! Who cares how many houses McCain and his wife own?! She inherited Anheiser-Busch, she probably owns more houses than she can count?! With all the potential issues on the domestic front to campaign on, Obama just spent six months on mission impossible trying to convince an unbelieving public that McCain loves George Bush; he did an arrogant grand tour of Europe as if he were already president; now he's getting serious and attacking McCain for having too many houses?!
This is just plain lame. Does this guy know how to campaign? It is a stupid attack and one which will surely come back to bite him since his own mansion in Chicago was financed with a loan from the much indicted Tony Rezco.
Would the Democrats please nominate someone who can compete?

Posted by: BruceMcDougall | August 21, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Obama is not a socialist. He is a true capitalist.

McCain and his Republican party are the true socialists, but it is a Corporate Socialism when it concerns them.

Make no mistake, the Republicans are now dominated by Empire builders who are going to bring us to the brink of being the next Roman Empire, if we allow it, and so far we have. Domination of the people through economic policies, surveillance, and the police state, and continued moves around the world like the global missile defense system just starting.

The founders of our country, and the writers of our Constitution must be rolling in their graves.

Posted by: conspirator | August 21, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Obama is starting to look pathetic. The day after finding out that McCain has not only caught up with him in the polls but in the Reuters/Zogby poll McCain is ahead by five points, Obama comes out attacking by complaining that McCain has too many houses?!!
Good grief! Is this the best he can do?! Who cares how many houses McCain and his wife own?! She inherited Anheiser-Busch, she probably owns more houses than she can count?! With all the potential issues on the domestic front to campaign on, Obama just spent six months on mission impossible trying to convince an unbelieving public that McCain loves George Bush; he did an arrogant grand tour of Europe as if he were already president; now he's getting serious and attacking McCain for having too many houses?!
This is just plain lame. Does this guy know how to campaign? It is a stupid attack and one which will surely come back to bite him since his own mansion in Chicago was financed with a loan from the much indicted Tony Rezco.
Would the Democrats please nominate someone who can compete?

Posted by: BruceMcDougall | August 21, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

GEE WONDER WHY OBAMA LEFT THIS OFF HIS RESUME

Obama's Lost Annenberg Years Coming to Light

By Thomas Lifson

The cloak of media invisibility is slowly beginning to lift from Barack Obama's most important administrative leadership experience, helming an expensive educational reform effort in Chicago that failed to produce any measurable academic gains, according to the project's own final report.

Add in the fact that former Weatherman and admitted terrorist William Ayers (whom Obama described in the Philadelphia debate as merely a "neighbor") was head of the operating arm of the CAC, working with Obama on distributing scores of millions of dollars to grantees in the wards of the city, and you have a topic that the Obama campaign wishes to avoid at all costs.

A compliant media has averted its eyes so far. A timeline of Obama's career from George Washington University omits it. Why the McCain campaign has not raised more questions on the subject is a question beyond my pay grade. But there are signs it is on the case.

The four plus years (1995-1999) Barack Obama spent as founding chairman of the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC) represent his track record as reformer, as someone who reached out in a public-private collaboration and had the audacity to believe his effort would make things better. At the time he became leader of this ambitious project to remake the public schools of Chicago, he was 33 years old and a third year associate at a small Chicago law firm, Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland.

This was a big test for him, his chance to cut his teeth on bringing hope and change to the mostly minority inner city school children trapped in Chicago schools. And he flopped big time, squandering lots of money and the time of many public employees in the process.

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(more at: http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_lost_annenberg_years_co.html)

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 21, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Do you even know what the story is? It is nothing, so nothing no republican with a brain will even mention it. They will mention the name and let the ignorant think there is something there. But never actually tell you the story because you will say, "Thats it" "WTF"

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Ha, ha, ha! I love it!!!!! Now, Barack Obama (ie, the magic negro per the LA times) is going to have to talk about Rezko again. And, just how he got a cheap house from the felon.

I'll bet 10 to 1 that Obama's campaign manager is fired for getting the Rezko story going again!!!! Obama is such a fool to discuss McCain's wife's houses, while he got his house as a gift from a felon, his big next door buddy !!!! Obama is sooooo stupid!!!! I love it!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

it's not a inner

unless you all try to make it out as nothing...

then it becomes a winner because it shows yuo aren't looking at the real John mccain

who really doesn't have any clue about the worries that the rest of America has...outside what he has seen on his 60" plasma tv...

the one he has never had to earn...and is going to be making decisions on those issues...

maybe that is why he didn't understand why soldiers needed adn deserved an education after one tour of duty...

he just doesn't get it.

in his mind the "poor" thing...

which to the rest of us...is middle class.

even those wealthy that earned understand those challenges...maybe better than the rest of us...but that is becasue they faced those challenges and passed them...

Mccain has never done that ...had to do it...and doesn't have to worry about ever having to do it.

Posted by: dl | August 21, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

What is amazing to many is how the media could talk about the seven homes and not even care that they are in the name of Cindy Mc Cain's coproration where her aunt and daughter each occupy one.

Now look at Obama. he cares so much about all of us unfortunate people in America. But his own brother in Nairobi lives on less than a dollars a month. Obama made $4.2 million in 2007 and he met his brother the year before. Could he throw him a bone of a few hundred dollars? Not Barrry Obama! What is in store for the rest of us? This guy has obvious character flaws.
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Glad you brought that up. It seems that Cindy McCain inherited hundreds of millions of doallrs after the death of her father but her two half sisters, one on either side of her parents got wooden nickles. So let us discuss character flaws. Do you think that McCain does not know that his inlaws were left out of the will? Do you think that he cares? or should we ask his staff?

Obama's brother was not a part of his life; he heard about him several years ago as you so nicely indicated he found out about him one year ago. No telling what he plans to do about his extended family. Obama just recently came in to his fortune; not so John and Cindy McCain.

There is something wrong with the McCains when they revert to so many lies over simple matters; ie. the circumstances around the adoption of Bridget their daughter (Most if not all Americans would have been just as proud of her decision absent the Mother Theresa bit)why lie? Also who ever heard of having to have your hand casted for a sprained wrist? Who did she shake hands with...the incredible hulk? Are you sure John McCain didn't just stop beating his wife?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

dl,

Here is the whole post. "This" would identify the previously mentioned noun "Bennet" You assert that somehow McCain got preferential treatment from the lawyer that the democrats hired to prosecute the case. I then took Bennet a step further into his long ties with the Democrat party by mentioning that he was Bill Clinton's lawyer. I concede. The demos were too stupid to find a good lawyer. You win.

Nepenthe
go look at Bennet's relationship with mccain first...since this all happened and when it happened.
This is a guy who was for all intensive purposes his best friend...
Keating hurt our COUNTRY and it's families financial state...all the while McCain is flyng around with them and staying on his private resort...and ...
the story is one they are not proud of.
and a 100 times worse than rezko.
period.
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Posted by: nepenthe | August 21, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Magoo had GARY HART at his wedding but not his own children who hate him because he is such a scumbag.

FACT.

Posted by: Vote Magoo he's an adulteror too! | August 21, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

"Hillary's right here. She was just telling me what a ho your mother was at the 1972 convention, about 9 months before you were born."

yes yes!!! we're reaching new lows here with the personal attacks. All the Dems have to do now is leave you all to stew in your own mess. For once, Don't Stop the Insanity!!! It's just to funny to watch all you Republicans squirm :)

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Hillary saw the goo, Bill got the shoe, Kerry married a moo, now Obama sniffed the glue!!

REZKO

Posted by: TruthinDenver | August 21, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Obama didn't need McCain to forget how many mansions or luxury condos he (well, Cindy) owns for that very plain fact to become a campaign issue from the start. Why wasn't this hyped by Obama in July or even June?

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: matt | August 21, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

If adultery disqualifies a person for public office, the only public officials we'll have will be liars who haven't been caught.

Posted by: OfficerMancuso | August 21, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Hey VoteMagooHesAnAdulterorToo;

You shoot, you score!!!

Your points are crisp and fresh!!!

Keep up the GREAT work!

Keep driving home those key characteristics of that LOSER Magoo!!!

Posted by: United Artists | August 21, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Tony nancy pelosi isn't running against mccain

the guy who earned everything he's made is

and is probably going to pick the guy hauling his own stumps to the dump for his VP...

you know while McCain ISN't worrying about all those mortgage payments on the houses he married into.

Posted by: dl | August 21, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

McCain just lost the election.

Posted by: BZ | August 21, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Cramos wrote:
"Hey Comet boy......do you support baby killing like OBAMA does?"

I write a post agreeing with Chris about the *political* implications of McCain's gaffe and the hey everyone is going to make of this over the next week and THIS is your reply?

Bravo Cramos, you win the non-sequitur of the day award!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Socialists for Obama!!! Okay, we'll also take the effeminate college boys (who do way too much self-pleasure) and the radical females (who play way too much volleyball.

Posted by: Tory | August 21, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

With Magoo, there's just so many easy targets:

Idiot college student saved by daddy;
His rambling senility;
He is a known Adulteror;
He is an admitted septuagenarian;
Keating 5 involvement;
Known as a terrible Pilot;

Yes, Magoo wants a messy campaign, then a messy campaign he shall have.

Posted by: Vote Magoo he's an adulteror too! | August 21, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

"AsperGirl.... Where's Hillary? You still weep yourself to sleep at night?"

Hillary's right here. She was just telling me what a ho your mother was at the 1972 convention, about 9 months before you were born.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 21, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

The leftwing loons think they've got a winner here after McCain used their Obama's head for a dust mop in that debate Saturday night.

Obama must be praising Allah that 70 million people were watching the Olympics and not watching him crash and burn on stage.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

rplat it is not a "sign of success" when your wife's family paid for them and you have never had that challenge...

it does speak to someone's understanding and awareness of the simple but tall challenges that are facing all Americans outside that 2% of the population who doesn't have to worry...

the ones who have made more money under the present policies...created by ...ohj...Mccain's leadership team.

ugh

Posted by: dl | August 21, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

hahaha, One only needs to read a few of these responses to see just how frightened the Republicans are of McCain being, rightfully, portrayed as a rich elitist white dude. What a fine mess he's made now, huh?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

THERE ARE HOUSES AND THEN THERE AARREE HOUSES

So now McCain gets hit with the Keating Five.

Meanwhile, I would get pictures of every one of those seven houses and fill ads throughout the country with them. "McCain made his money the old fashioned way, he married into it. Let's look at the McCain lifestyle, it certainly is not like yours or mine. Perhaps that's why he keeps wanting to pollute the environment with uncontrolled oil drilling (pics of oil soggy beaches), nuclear power (three mile island, etc), and coal mining (black lung disease. He lives far away from all that, in the lap of luxury. (houses again) No wonder he forgot how many houses he has, or thinks rich is $5 million per year. Just what we need is another out of touch rich guy running the White House."

If they hit you you HAVE to hit back and repeat it over and over until its in public's mind and soul.

Posted by: Kurt | August 21, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Magoo had GARY HART as a groomsman at the wedding he had with his adulteror-homewrecker live-in chick - Cindy!!!

GARY HART!!!

They are both dirtbags!!!


In April 1979,[53] McCain met Cindy Lou Hensley, a teacher from Phoenix, Arizona, whose father had founded a large beer distributorship.[57] They began dating, and he urged his wife Carol to grant him a divorce, which she did in February 1980, with the uncontested divorce taking effect in April 1980.[18][53] The settlement included two houses, and financial support for her ongoing medical treatments due to her 1969 car accident; they would remain on good terms.[57] McCain and Hensley were married on May 17, 1980, with Senators William Cohen and Gary Hart attending as groomsmen.[57][12] McCain’s children did not attend.

Posted by: Vote Magoo he's an adulteror too! | August 21, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

argie - Everything I posted is well known and well documented. McCain's dad was an admiral and got him out of several jams. In one, McCain actually touched off a rocket, on the deck of an aircraft carrier that resulted in the deaths of several men. I repeat, McCain is no hero. He is a drunk, a philanderer, a spoiled brat that was bailed out by his father who helped rewrite history to further Johnny's political aspirations. Now that the Swift Boaters have gotten into this, the gloves are off and we will poke lights in every dark corner of McCain's life. You people don't want an election fought on over issues, so we're going to fight it in the mud. I hope you can do the breast stroke in a cesspool.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | August 21, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Houses, Houses, you want Houses? How about Nancy Pelosi, who is married to investor Paul Pelosi, has amassed a large portfolio of jointly owned real estate, including three properties in the Napa Valley. Her 2006 disclosure form lists six mortgages.

In 2006, Paul Pelosi's holdings included a four-story commercial building on Belden Place in San Francisco, a retail and office building on Sir Francis Drake Boulevard in San Anselmo and an ownership stake in the Auberge du Soleil resort in Napa Valley valued at $1 million to $5 million. He also has millions of dollars of shares in publicly traded companies such as Microsoft, Amazon and AT&T.

The couple estimated their total assets to be worth $25 million to $102 million in 2005, with liabilities of $6 million to $31 million.


Posted by: Tony | August 21, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Only the leftist radials in this country care how many houses McCain has. Unlike the world of a Marxist like Obama and his followers, property ownership is a sign of success in this country. This is undoubtedly the dumbest story we've seen lately . . . but totally fitting of the Democrats and other leftists.

Posted by: rplat | August 21, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

biggest story of the day, and the post wont cover it outside of the blogs. i wish i could say i was surprised.

although the only thing you do is apply conventional wisdom to daily events, the mere fact that you are willing to acknowledge the existence of facts that reflect poorly on john mccain makes you probably the second best web only element of the post.

Posted by: mike | August 21, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a senile old man who is doing everything desperately to win the presidency...he is just a transition man for the Republicans, who are hoping that they can use McCain and his overblown "maverick" label to hold the white house for 4 years, whereupon, if he hasn't died by then, the Republicans will have their groomed president ready to go. The Republicans were caught this time with an unholy choice, try to make a go with their real choice, and lose big time (any of the others), or McCain, that still gets the sympathy vote even though he has twisted his beliefs around so much to conform with the new conservative values that he probably doesn't know what they are now himself.

The real Republican president is waiting in the wings somewhere, biding his time over the next four years as he is groomed. All McCain has to do is pull this off, and he will be tossed aside next time around.

The long term plan of the "Republicans" (I should say royalty party) is continued world empire building and further concentration of wealth and power, and total control of population. 1984 will be correct soon.

Obama will need to destroy McCain's reputation in the next months, and especially the debates, because unless the general population sees McCain's weaknesses with their own eyes, the press will continue to gently push us to elect McCain.

We will soon be back in the empire, waiting for the next Nero to fiddle away our advanced society, but next time it will be to nuclear fire.

Posted by: conspirator | August 21, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Honest Abe not quite as shrill as Mccain after he was compared to Kevin Federline and asked to identify what a mortgage payment or a student loan application or an application to put his parent in a cheaper convalescent home ...looked like.

Posted by: dl | August 21, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

DaTourist says: "Would you rather live in any one of the McCains' 13 houses, bought and paid for honestly, than the Obamas' Hyde Park estate, partly brokered by the felonious Tony Rezko, not the Tony Rezko Barack Obama knew for years as his chief fundraiser and fixer?"
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Memo to DaTourist: Would you rather vote for a self-made man or a man who has never -- I repeat, never -- had to work for a living?

Posted by: American Dreamer | August 21, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Ha, ha, ha! I love it!!!!! Now, Barack Obama (ie, the magic negro per the LA times) is going to have to talk about Rezko again. And, just how he got a cheap house from the felon.

I'll bet 10 to 1 that Obama's campaign manager is fired for getting the Rezko story going again!!!! Obama is such a fool to discuss McCain's wife's houses, while he got his house as a gift from a felon, his big next door buddy !!!! Obama is sooooo stupid!!!! I love it!
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People like you give the country a bad name. You don't even know the details but you feel okay running off at the keyboard.

Shameless

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Not only does the portly, little fraud own seven houses but in a moment of shocking dementia, Grandpa McBush couldn't remember the number! His utter confusion when asked a pretty straight forward question was fabulous. Barack's campaign should beat the senile, old man senseless with this and expose this broken down, deranged warmonger as an adulterous, money grubbing fake who deserted his crippled wife to marry a pill popping Beer Heiress in order to live off her wealth. He's a real American Hero. Yeah, right.

Posted by: shiva7 | August 21, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

I find it funny that everyone is screaming about Rezko and yet no one notices that he's answered questions about him? He sat down with the Trib in March (about 6 months after they broke the story, which they criticize as being too late) and answered all his questions. Please, people, before you bash, inform yourself.

The link is down in my previous comment (around 5:35) and in that link you will also find a plethora of other links to the actual interview and the coverage of the trial. Interpret as you wish and enjoy. Have a great day!

Posted by: Anne, Chicago | August 21, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

McCain's absent mind is important because of the elephant in the room...he is way too old to be president. Any honest person his age would say that it is unlikely he has retained the vigor and temperament essential to tolerate the rigors of the Presidency. Remember Reagan, who supposedly did not suffer from Alzheimer's until he left office but conveniently couldn't remember a thing his entire presidency. Get real.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

I would love some reporter to ask mcCain wwhat he thinks of being called "McKFed" in reference to the similarities of marriage values....as he is the 40 year from now Kevin Federline

then we may see the true mccain...lol...

"man yells at sky" lol

Posted by: dl | August 21, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

You say:

It's all very simple on the elitist front:

1) McCain is the son and grandson of four-star Admirals in the US Navy. Obama was raised by a single Mom and working-class grandparents.

(so what, McCain didn't choose his ancestors, you dimwit! Obama's dad was a polygamist and a drug abuser, like his son!)

2) McCain married into money after divorcing the wife who was disfigured in an accident. Obama married the daughter of a man who worked two jobs to make ends meet.

(Obama married a radical racist who exposed her kids to black revolutionist racist rantings in church and has scarred them forever!)

3) McCain got into a good school on his parents' connections. Obama got into a good school based on his own abilities and paid for it with college loans.

(McCain went to the naval academy and served his nation honorably. Obama was a slouch in school who claimed law review...where are his publications, he didn't do any, that't why!)

4) McCain was practically last in his class. Obama was editor of the Harvard Law Review.

(Harvard is full of fags, so what!)

5) McCain got rich on his wife's money. Obama got rich on his own efforts.

(Rezko? Careful big boy, you're also knocking Kennedy and Kerry...what have you got against the rich anyhow? You also hate Bill Clinton? He was given $50 million by the shieks in Dubai.)

6) McCain owns more houses than he can count. (Why he can't count past seven is still a question.) Obama only owns one (but it's a nice one, I bet).

(Who cares how many homes one owns? Unless, you are a communist!)

7) McCain has been living the good life since 1980. Obama and Michelle paid off their college loans less than two years ago.

(Are you a socialist too?, While McCain was living the good life in Hanoi, Young Obama was sniffing glue and smoking weed. What, you live in a trash can?)

You want to define one of these guys as elitist, it sure wouldn't be Obama.

Obama is not an elitist, he just wants to run your life....sound like you need it.

Posted by: Jonesy | August 21, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

LMAO!!! How laughably shrill was Obama in Reston, VA today, practically screaming at the top of his lungs, wailing about McCain's houses. No doubt, his handlers have told him that he needs to show more "passion" and be "tougher" because McCain has now caught him in the polls. But he just came off looking like a total sap today. If you have to deliberately puff yourself up to try and look tough, it only underlies how weak you really are. Barack Obama is a limp-wristed weenie. I shiver at the thought of him having to go up against the likes of Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong-Il.

Posted by: Honest Abe | August 21, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, John McCain for saying something stupid. It has been about 48 hours since you said something either outrageous ("Life begins at conception"), insensitive ("I don't know.....five million?"), or just plan stupid ("I don't know how many houses I have....CHECK WITH MY PEOPLE").

I was beginning to worry.

But today's stupid statement not only re-affirms the fact that you are just stupid sometimes, it has driven all the GOP nutjobs posting on these boards to almost throw themselves off the Wilson Bridge in some sort of desperate panic.

And, for that alone, you have made my Thursday.

Can't wait for tomorrow!

Posted by: Thank You - Thank You | August 21, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Nepenthe

the cut and past you just did missed that the last sentence you referenced was to the next sentence that you did not include in you cut and paste...

Keating and Mccain were best friends.

and yes bennet is friends with mccain.

Posted by: dl | August 21, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

As usual, McCain's anger management issues kick in:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpmFd25tRqo

Posted by: Dadgotmein | August 21, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

I would have been far more negative.

Posted by: McCain 2008 | August 21, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

The problem with “repugs” is that they can throw slime but can't seem to take it when it’s sling back at them...McCain claims he is an ordinary guy but can't remember the number of houses he owns. For Pete sake, the average American owns one home while only the very elite owns more than two. McCain for christ sake owns seven. How can someone who is an obvious elitist chides someone else who is not an elitist for being an elitist?

This is gross hypocrisy! That’s the point being made for the id^ots on the thread who don’t get it…It doesn’t matter the number of houses McCain owns. It’s the fact that he is claiming to be an average Joe when he not and had the gumption to brag about the number of houses he owns to the media.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

No one seems to remember Keating much, anymore. Amazing. McCain and his fellow Arizonan, Democrat Dennis DeConcini, were hauled before the Senate Ethics Committee along with three other senators to explain their actions on behalf of Keating's Lincoln Savings and Loan.

Keating gave the senators hefty campaign contributions, then called on them to meet with bank regulators to pressure them to go soft on an investigation of Lincoln. There were two infamous meetings. McCain attended both.

The ethics committee was easier on him than most of the others, partly because some of McCain's actions on behalf of Keating took place while he was in the House, and therefore not under the purview of the Senate Ethics Committee.

More important, what often gets lost in the retelling is McCain's close personal relationship with Keating. McCain took trips with Keating, including to his retreat in the Bahamas, and reimbursed him only after the fact was made public.

It was also revealed that Keating had a business relationship with Cindy and her father, Jim Hensley, who ran a very lucrative Anheuser-Busch distributorship in Phoenix.

Most shocking, perhaps, given McCain's image today, is that McCain took more than $100,000 in campaign contributions from Keating and his employees, between 1982 and 1988.

You may be surprised to know that in 1987 and 1988, McCain voted against federal legislation reforming the campaign finance system. It was only in 1990, in the aftermath of Keating and the shadow of an upcoming re-election campaign, that he started supporting reform. Ditto for his efforts to cut government spending.

from the Phoenix New Times

Posted by: ClearView | August 21, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Larsky wrote,

"This is easily the dumbest article I've read in a long time. It won't go past the next few minutes in affecting the race or whoever Obama may pick as a V.P. Sheesh for the love of Pete,,,Chris, get a job that pays or at least give us a meat issue to discuss."

Another wannabe with broken comma and question mark keys on his machine. This is not the issue of the millenium, but it is the issue of the day, and Chris Cillizza has the responsibility of writing something timely and interest every day, for one of the world's great newspapers. What do you do for a living, Larsky?

Posted by: OfficerMancuso | August 21, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

By the way, here's some background on McCain's criminal behavior:

The Keating Five were five United States Senators accused of corruption in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the larger Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s. The five senators, Alan Cranston (D-CA), Dennis DeConcini (D-AZ), John Glenn (D-OH), John McCain (R-AZ), and Donald W. Riegle (D-MI), were accused of improperly aiding Charles H. Keating, Jr., chairman of the failed Lincoln Savings and Loan Association, which was the target of an investigation by the Federal Home Loan Bank Board (FHLBB).

Posted by: Vote Magoo he's an adulteror too! | August 21, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Would you rather live in any one of the McCains' 13 houses, bought and paid for honestly, than the Obamas' Hyde Park estate, partly brokered by the felonious Tony Rezko, not the Tony Rezko Barack Obama knew for years as his chief fundraiser and fixer?

Posted by: DaTourist | August 21, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

If I may be of some assistance to Senator John McManyMansions.

Having trouble remembering how many houses you have today, Johnny?

K, well...


...remembering your (McCain) involvement in the Keating Five, do you think you have more houses than you have had shady, corrupt, and surely illegal relationships with chairmen of failed savings and loan institutions?


More than one? Ok then...


Remembering that you McCain were AGAINST overturning Roe vs. Wade before you were FOR overturning Roe vs. Wade, do you think you have more houses than you've had views on abortion PLUS shady, corrupt, and surely illegal relationships with chairmen of failed savings and loan institutions?


Still more? More than three? Really. Most people don't need THREE. Ok, well, then...


Given that you McCain were against the Bush Tax cuts before you were FOR the Bush tax cuts, do you think you have more houses than you've had panders on tax policy PLUS views on abortion PLUS shady, corrupt, and surely illegal relationships with chairmen of failed savings and loan institutions?


Really? More than FIVE? One for each finger? One for each plane your crashed? So, then...


Remembering that you McCain once joked that Chelsea Clinton was "so ugly" because Janet Reno was her father, do you think you have more houses than you've made crude, sexist and misogynist jokes about minors PLUS panders on tax policy PLUS views on abortion PLUS shady, corrupt, and surely illegal relationships with chairmen of failed savings and loan institutions?


Wow? MORE THAN HALF A DOZEN? Well, then...


Remembering that you McCain were grinning over cake while New Orleans was sinking, do you think you have more houses then you have Bush-loving, compassionless, self-serving photo-ops PLUS crude, sexist and misogynist jokes about minors PLUS panders on tax policy PLUS views on abortion PLUS shady, corrupt, and surely illegal relationships with chairmen of failed savings and loan institutions?


Seven? Great. Seven. Just like the dwarves?


(So, um, does that make you Dopey?...or just senile?)

Posted by: ace mcfunkenstein | August 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Quincy Magoo is a cartoon character created at the UPA animation studio in 1949. Voiced by Jim Backus (also famed in popular culture for his role as Thurston Howell III in the 1960s sitcom Gilligan's Island), Quincy Magoo is a wealthy, short-statured retiree who gets into a series of sticky situations as a result of his nearsightedness, or latent myopia, compounded by his stubborn refusal to admit the problem. Affected people (or animals) consequently tend to think that he is a lunatic, rather than just being nearsighted.

Posted by: Vote Magoo he's an adulteror too! | August 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

LOL! Talk about trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. Who gives a $#it how many houses the McCain's have? They're rich. That's a known fact. So are the Obamas. So, WTF?

But if we really do want to open a debate on the candidates' personal housing, maybe we should look into the sweetheart deal that Barack Obama got from convicted felon Tony Rezko, not to mention the $14 million in government money that Obama got for Rezko so that he could buy more tenement buildings and expand his "slum lord" empire.

Yes indeed ... Now THAT would be an interesting debate to have! So by all means, let's discuss the candidates' housing situations.

Posted by: Dan R. | August 21, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Hey VoteforMagooHe'sanAdulterorToo

Here's a shout-out:

Man, that is some of the best, most spot-ON, anti-Magoo commentary I've EVER read!!!

Keep it coming!!!

Posted by: United Artists | August 21, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

dl, I used cut and paste here. My comment was that Bennet was the Demo's lawyer and later Bill's. I was hoping you would catch the connection between Bill and the savings and loan debacle. Hence, Bennet, as the Demo lawyer, stating McCain did nothing wrong.

"Nepenthe
go look at Bennet's relationship with mccain first...since this all happened and when it happened.
This is a guy who was for all intensive purposes his best friend..."

Posted by: nepenthe | August 21, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Let's see now?

Tony Rezko, Obama's big financial backer and old friend, went to jail for buying politicians and peddling political influence.

Rezko bought an expensive lot adjacent to the Obamas Hyde Park estate and sold it to the Obamas for about half what he paid for it. The Obamas jumped on it like ducks on a June bug!

Posted by: DaTourist | August 21, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

I failed to make it clear that my post was not an "attack." I admire Cindy's community service, and it is not that I dislike McCain as a person, which is not the case.

I didn't say that Cindy McCain looks like Barbie. I was implying that the woman has quite some level of class in her appearance, almost all of the time when I see her. I didn't say anything was wrong with that, but Brian was speaking about being in touch with Americans; I consider myself an average American, and from multiple aspects, McCain is least out of touch with those like me, compared to Obama. I categorized it as aspects of a lifestyle: Faith, Family, Home, Occupation, Hobbies, Views, etc....so I didn't mean my post as an attack.

Cindy is Gorgeous, in her way. She does wonderful charitable work. When the question is about who relates "more" with average Americans....well I won't restate my post. Obama has done community service helping people find jobs.

As for Michelle Obama:
http://www.uchospitals.edu/news/2005/20050509-obama.html

Ask and learn indeed, nothing wrong with that.

Posted by: Obama2008 | August 21, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

You people believe any bullsh*t the media tells you. If they told you to suck a fart outta McCain's @ss you would! McCain is on the verge of Alzheimer's just like Reagan, but Republicans will do their damndest to cover it up...like SOOOO many other things. McCain = Dubya III

Posted by: J | August 21, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

If McCain pulls up Rezko, Obama can just jump aboard the Keating 5 Express and show that McCain's corruption goes further, deeper, and higher than Obama's mistake.

It's all very simple on the elitist front:

1) McCain is the son and grandson of four-star Admirals in the US Navy. Obama was raised by a single Mom and working-class grandparents.

2) McCain married into money after divorcing the wife who was disfigured in an accident. Obama married the daughter of a man who worked two jobs to make ends meet.

3) McCain got into a good school on his parents' connections. Obama got into a good school based on his own abilities and paid for it with college loans.

4) McCain was practically last in his class. Obama was editor of the Harvard Law Review.

5) McCain got rich on his wife's money. Obama got rich on his own efforts.

6) McCain owns more houses than he can count. (Why he can't count past seven is still a question.) Obama only owns one (but it's a nice one, I bet).

7) McCain has been living the good life since 1980. Obama and Michelle paid off their college loans less than two years ago.

You want to define one of these guys as elitist, it sure wouldn't be Obama.

Posted by: Chredon | August 21, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

The McCain family adopted an orphan for god's sake. Is Obama going to ridicule McCain for stealing "poor children" for indentured servitude? Obama is so rhetorically weak when speaking extemporaneously!!! I am overjoyed to be dredging up the REZKO matter!! He sounds just like Gordon Gekko of Wall Street movie fame!!!!

I just looked for REZKO under Google blogs and news.....the REZKO name is up about 1000% in use. Thanks Barack for handing McCain a gun!!!! Ha, Ha!!!!

Posted by: Tammy | August 21, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

It seems that Tony Rezko was not involved in any sweetheart deals for any of the McCains' properties.

Not so, with the Obamas!

Posted by: DaTourist | August 21, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

1) "He got shot down, due to his own stupidity."
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How do YOU know? How can YOU assert such claim?

2) "That doesn't make him a hero."
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Getting shot down does not make him a hero. The manner in which he behaved in captivity is mighty impressive, though (and I'm not saying that it makes him a "hero")


3) "His daddy and family rewrote history for him so he cold run for office."
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First off, you speak of his "daddy" with disdain, neglecting to note his service to the nation, or the long McCain service to the country.

Second, proof pleased. Enough of undocumented, unprovable conspiracy theories that sound good when one rants but are as sound and real as tissue paper.

Posted by: argie | August 21, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

I can see the angry left is starting to come apart at the seams and disply their utter looniness. I predict another 4 years of Republican derangement syndrome.

Posted by: kingofzouk | August 21, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

I'll take Kevin over myself every day of the week, especially with our kids.

Posted by: Brittney Spears | August 21, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

McCain is hanging himself with his own words. 100 years. My people will get back to you...the list goes on.

Complicated pseudo "scandals" don't have the impact that video of a doddering, out of touch old man do.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Pete Kent on August 21, 2008 at 5:40 PM

Your Michelle as Madame Defarge comment was the best!

Posted by: Tracy | August 21, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Alance and other conspiracy theorists...for the details on Obama's purchase home purchase check out the Chicago Sun Times. There was no funny business. If you're buying a house for well over a million dollars and you're smart, you try to negotiate a lower price. Heck, even Faux News doesn't claim anything unethical in the purchase. Obama's only probelem was that Rezko was a Chicago big-wing and campaign donor.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/124171,CST-NWS-obama05.article

Posted by: Mason Flint | August 21, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

This is irrelevant, but makes for a great Obama zinger.

So what, the guy's rich, so rich he hires accountants to watch over his estate and understand the details, so he doesn't have to, he has other things to do.

Obama is rich also.

McCain was born with silver spoon, Obama wasn't, so what.

That is not the crux of what a person has learned about the world, what he cares about. This is little kid stuff.

I wish our dialog was higher-minded.

I wish I has seven houses.

Posted by: Robin Hood | August 21, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Andy, this house discussion is not vital to the election. Shouldn't we all be talking about foreign policy experience or economic experience instead of houses?

This entire thing is a farce.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

>>>"What is amazing to many is how the media could talk about the seven homes and not even care that they are in the name of Cindy Mc Cain's coproration where her aunt and daughter each occupy one."

What?
If they're not owned by McCain, why didn't he just say so?

When somebody asks you how many homes you own, do you have to ask your assistant or do you know the answer?

Perhaps McCain answered as he did because he didn't like how any truthful answer sounded:

McCain: "None. The house is my wife's."
or,
McCain: "Seven."

Posted by: Ego Nemo | August 21, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl! Best post of the day!

- originally posted by AsperGirl:

TOP 10 SIGNS YOUR ELITIST NOMINEE'S GETTING REALLY DESPERATE

Accuses rival of cheating, in a forum where the questions are just about the candidates own beliefs and defining life experiences -- but he loses anyways

Starts drawing up longer and longer "short lists" of VP picks who "complement" his deficiencies: i.e. they have actual experience, qualifications, knowledge of the issues, a record of proven action and a professional body of works

Starts drawing up shorter and shorter long lists of reasons why an old white lady is a bad choice for VP

Declares "my wife is off limits" but immediately after plasters her barely-prettied-up glowering face all over glossy magazine covers

Realizes that he's not proud of America anymore, now that America hates his wife

Purple lips take on a bluish tinge

Opens up vigorous, coordinated attack front against rival over wife's holdings, including number of houses, and that purse and shoes she wore two times

Opens up vigorous, coordinated attack front against rivals' "$5 million dollar means rich" joke -- that rival said was a joke

Realizes that $300 Million dollars spent to help electorate get to know him hasn't worked out and he'll only have another $100 Million or so to spend before November

When the phone rings at 3 a.m., it's Barack calling Hillary, begging her to be on his ticket

Posted by: FRedStates.com | August 21, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

This is easily the dumbest article I've read in a long time. It won't go past the next few minutes in affecting the race or whoever Obama may pick as a V.P. Sheesh for the love of Pete,,,Chris, get a job that pays or at least give us a meat issue to discuss. The logic sounds pretty feel goody like Obama's rhetoric on the teleprompter but mostly fluffy and bluffy in the end. This nonsense is a distraction.

I don't even know why I wrote this as it isn't worth the ink wasted to write it or yours for that matter..?????eerrrr....make that electricity...????...eerrr make that kilobytes...????eerrrr....

Oh forget it......,

Posted by: Larksy | August 21, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Ha, ha, ha! I love it!!!!! Now, Barack Obama (ie, the magic negro per the LA times) is going to have to talk about Rezko again. And, just how he got a cheap house from the felon.

I'll bet 10 to 1 that Obama's campaign manager is fired for getting the Rezko story going again!!!! Obama is such a fool to discuss McCain's wife's houses, while he got his house as a gift from a felon, his big next door buddy !!!! Obama is sooooo stupid!!!! I love it!

Posted by: Minnie | August 21, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Eric, we seem to agree that this story is not meaningful to the contest. However, the point is the vast majority of McCain's campaign to date is saying how "out of touch" Senator Obama is. Remember the "rock star" and "Paris Hilton" ads.

The entire point of Senator McCain not knowing how many houses he owns isn't that he is no longer able to be president--he's still qualified--it's how his anti-Obama campaign is a bunch of crap.

They are both qualified to be president so let's stick to the issues.

Posted by: Andy | August 21, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

How did SNL get it so right way back then?

This is hard - said Obama.

how come you dim Dems still don't?

Posted by: kingofzouk | August 21, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl, you're the best. Will you marry me? It's refreshing to read some anti-Obama commentary that is sharp and also humorous.

Posted by: McHappy | August 21, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

It's not about being rich...

it's about being out of touch with daily battles ...having not earned it and being beyond those challenges

how could you know what it feels like to debate putting your mother in a home because you can't afford to keep her home

or that you can't send all your kids to school so you send the smartest...

or how to cut back on dinners because you don't have enough to pay the bills and healthcare.

or not being able to divorce an abusive relationship because financially you can't do it...

or getting home from serving and needing an opportunity like an education


Posted by: dl | August 21, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

>>>"In 2004, Sen. John Kerry (Mass.) lost to George W. Bush for a number of reasons but one of the biggest was the fact that voters believed the Massachusetts senator was not like them."

The Fix is fun. But it's not what you'd call solid research. The line above is an excellent example.

You've got Weasel Words here: "a number of reasons" "one of the biggest" "the fact that"

These allow you to suggest a conclusion without facts: "voters believed"

We have a scientific way to determine what voters believe -- accurate polling. You don't cite a single source.

There was only one reason why John Kerry didn't win in 2004 -- he did not receive 270 or more electoral votes.

Now, as to why he didn't requires research, not speculation.

A look at the returns would show that any number of changes would have allowed Kerry to win -- a change in 5,000 or so votes in Ohio would have done the trick -- and then you'd be here with fact-less conjecturing about the myriad of emotional reasons why Bush lost.

While you've pretended to, you haven't analyzed THE ELECTION, all you did was analyze THE RHETORIC.

Which is precisely what's wrong with political journalism today.

Even with that said, you are right, the House Story Matters.

Posted by: EgoNemo | August 21, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

What is amazing to many is how the media could talk about the seven homes and not even care that they are in the name of Cindy Mc Cain's coproration where her aunt and daughter each occupy one.

Now look at Obama. he cares so much about all of us unfortunate people in America. But his own brother in Nairobi lives on less than a dollars a month. Obama made $4.2 million in 2007 and he met his brother the year before. Could he throw him a bone of a few hundred dollars? Not Barrry Obama! What is in store for the rest of us? This guy has obvious character flaws.

Posted by: Rick Bock | August 21, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

It's weird to think that so many people are talking about how many homes McCain owns. The real discussion should be why did the income of the 400 richest Americans increased by 7X in the last 20 years while the average American has seen no real change in twenty years - something is wrong with this picture and I do mean wrong.

Posted by: KJames | August 21, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Resko is one of Obama's very best friends. Wonder if he ever scored drugs for Obama?

Posted by: Jarly | August 21, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

This whole house thing is stupid. In all seriousness, since MCCain and his wife keep separate finances, how exactly was he to know for 100% certain how many houses they may own as investments. My father is a mechanic who makes about $40k a year salary. He owns 4 houses. Is he rich? The proceeds of all four houses, the one he lives in and the 3 investment properties, would not cover a fraction of the cost of Obama's mansion in Chicago.

The only reason I know where the money my wife inherited from her father is invested is because she asked me for help investing it. If she was a millionaire heiress with millions of dollars and a professional money manager, I would not have a clue if she owned any houses, or how many.

Let me ask you this: If McCain had said some number less than seven, you Obamamaniacs would have immediately jumped on the fact he would have been wrong, and called him senile and out of touch or a liar. At least he was honest, instead of lying then telling us we weren't listening or that we don't understand "nuance", like some other candidate does.

Now why was it that Obama voted against the born alive act again?

Posted by: Southerner | August 21, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Lets see, Obama earmarked $1 million in federal funding in 2006 for a new pavilion at the University of Chicago Hospitals after Michelle's salary was increased from $121,000 to over $320,000 - not a bad return on investment.

Then the entire Rezko situation, where Rezko helped to fund Obama's 1996 Illinois Senate run by getting all of the opposition kicked off the primary ballot so Obama could run un-opposed, and in 2004 worked to get the Chicago Tribune and WLS-TV to have Jack Ryan's Child custody hearings unsealed, which resulted in Jack dropping out of the race allowing Obama to easily defeat Jack's replacement, Alan Keyes.

How can you trust someone who can make up lies - like the one he told Saturday night that wrongly claimed that abortions "have not gone down" under President Bush. In fact, the abortion rate has gone down 9 percent, and the annual total has declined by more than 100,000, and then to top that off, in his example of crossing the isle Obama claimed that "I worked with John McCain" on ethics legislation. In fact, the two worked together for barely a week, after which McCain accused Obama of "partisan posturing". I'm sure Obama just "forgot" that they didn't work together.

Four years as the Chairman of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge where he spent $110 million dollars on Chicago Schools, and got no results (I'm no rocket scientist, but I would have hired a bunch of tutors and had them go to directly to the kids homes, but I don't have a bunch of folks that I need to pay off.) Would you give Obama one cent of your tax money after this display of leadership?

Posted by: Tony | August 21, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

TOP 10 SIGNS YOUR ELITIST NOMINEE'S GETTING REALLY DESPERATE

Accuses rival of cheating, in a forum where the questions are just about the candidates own beliefs and defining life experiences -- but he loses anyways

Starts drawing up longer and longer "short lists" of VP picks who "complement" his deficiencies: i.e. they have actual experience, qualifications, knowledge of the issues, a record of proven action and a professional body of works

Starts drawing up shorter and shorter long lists of reasons why an old white lady is a bad choice for VP

Declares "my wife is off limits" but immediately after plasters her barely-prettied-up glowering face all over glossy magazine covers

Realizes that he's not proud of America anymore, now that America hates his wife

Purple lips take on a bluish tinge

Opens up vigorous, coordinated attack front against rival over wife's holdings, including number of houses, and that purse and shoes she wore two times

Opens up vigorous, coordinated attack front against rivals' "$5 million dollar means rich" joke -- that rival said was a joke

Realizes that $300 Million dollars spent to help electorate get to know him hasn't worked out and he'll only have another $100 Million or so to spend before November

When the phone rings at 3 a.m., it's Barack calling Hillary, begging her to be on his ticket

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 21, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Barack, who told you you could speak without checking with us first and after going into hours of debate and analysis. Everytime this happens you sink another five points. why do you think your wife is under lock down?

Posted by: the 600 advisors | August 21, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

I hear the mayor of Detroit has now accepted an offer from a powerful Republican donor to stay in his Denver home during the DNC.

Posted by: Yelt | August 21, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse


Last I heard, Howard Dean had a net worth over $5 million.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeearghh!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

"McKfed"

Posted by: dl | August 21, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

CRAMOS - Hero? Really? I always thought that if you took off hugover in a million dollar aircraft and got yourself shot down that a more accurate description would be "fool". Look, McCain was, by all accounts, an out of control drunk with a temper to match. Tiem hasn't changed any of that. He got shot down, due to his own stupidity. That doesn't make him a hero. His daddy and family rewrote history for him so he cold run for office. Please drop the term "hero" when talking about John McCain, I know hero's, I see them every day, and John McCain is no hero.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | August 21, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

You know there's only two things that Obama mentions out of his mouth anymore.

Hope. Change.


Does he hope to change or is he changing hope?

Posted by: Jim | August 21, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

If Barack Obama = Paris hilton = celebrity

does

John Mccain = Kevin Federline = ?

Posted by: dl | August 21, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

This Rezko stuff is going to stick to Obama like glue!!!

Ha, ha, ha!!! This commercial will be the talk of the weekend news cycle!!! Those McCain guys are so fearless!!!

Meanwhile, so far, the story is that Obama never did any blow. Where are Barck's drug dealers?

Posted by: Sandy | August 21, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

How about a McCain/Rangle ticket?

Posted by: OfficerMancuso | August 21, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I'm confused. I thought Obama gave up all those lucrative job offers to work for peanuts. then somehow he qualifies for a multi-million dollar house.

Was it the crooked co-signer?

Posted by: kingofzouk | August 21, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

The issue is a non-issue. Neither of the 2 candidates can claim to be in touch with the regular "Joe" and "Jane." Sen. Obama may own just one home; yet, it is a home whose price tag and annual taxes put it well beyond the reach of most Americans. Sen. Obama and his wife combined make more than 5X the median income in America. I am sure that their typical night out involves restaurants most people can not and do not attend more than once a year. So, Sen. Obama is exploitinbg the opportunity as he should; but his claim that one candidate and not the other is "out of touch" is risible.

A real concern reading through the posts arises from the comments that mock Sen. McCain's "war hero" status (i.e, mibrooks27). Indeed, much of John McCain's youth is not appropriate for minors and is hardly an example to emulate.

We may quibble as to the definition of hero and its application to McCain's experience. However, those who take pot shots at his experience post capture need to remember that talk is cheap. That he was shot down was not an indication of McCain'sproficiency or value as a pilot. Many honored and respected leaders were shot down or suffered indignities during their wars (McGovern, Bush the father, MacArthur, Ike, Churchill, Washington). He flew over enemy territory and faced perils that most of us never will and probably never would be able to face.

Once captured, he endured pain and suffering (and torture) that most of us would find unimaginable and would pray never to have to experience.

In captivity, he was offered multiple times the opportunity to leave his incarceration, and he rejected the offer. He stood up for the principles to which the military subscribes and refused to be used or to go free ahead of others who had been captive longer.

In his actions standing up for these principles and withstanding the agony of a broken body John McCain's mettle was revealed. To some it does not make him a full hero. But you'd have to be an incredible ideologue to claim that his actions during those 5 years did not cleanse his indiscretions and bad behavior prior to that time. If not a hero, accept that he can stand with his head taller than ours from that experience. Confront him on his politics, but not on that issue.

Posted by: argie | August 21, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

and nepenthe

do you think McCain has ever seen a mortgage payment...do you think he could recognize a student loan application and understand what it means?

I am pretty positive he doesn't.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

For all of you GOP Summer Interns who are cutting-and-pasting as quickly as your MACs let you, please run down to the nearest Marine Corps or Army recruiting station because your President needs you.

Oh ya, that's right.

Mommy and Daddy won't let you.

Posted by: Just For The Record | August 21, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

AlindaFaye2000, I don't want to hang out with McCain. I don't want him to be my "buddy" I'm hiring him to enforce the constitution which promises to "protect and defend" not take care of me and give me things. I want a government to quit taking my things. Are all libs emotional cripples?? Yes, inheriting money is a sin except when its Kennedy, Kerry, Feinstein, Rockefeller. I got the mantra - thanks

Posted by: Nepenthe | August 21, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

It is after reading these posts that I understand why California, Illinois, New York, New Jersey are run by DemocRATs are and billions in debt, have high crime rates, poor educational systems.

Posted by: Blue State Moron | August 21, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

"Not only does it allow them to paint the Arizona senator as out of touch with the concerns of voters but it also gives Obama a platform on which to tout himself as a champion of the working class."

Because so many working class people can rent a house in Hawaii that costs $8 million and thousands a day to rent. And because so many working class people can get a convicted felon fixer to buy their $1.6 million house in Chicago. Oh wait - that's not McCain that did that - it was Obama son of a goatherd and champion of the middle class.

Posted by: bandmom22 | August 21, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Nepenthe read the commetn i made three commenters after...

I said...Bennett wasn't the best friend (although he is a very good friend)

my posting if you read it again was Keating and mcCain were best friends...

and they by anybody's yardstick or trips to Bahamas or loaning of jets or wives giving moneys and contracts too...or father inlaws giving contracts to

they were.


so stay focused read all my comments.

Posted by: dl | August 21, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait to see Obama start crying after the new Rezko commercial comes out my McCain.

McCain just hits that little pipsqeak in the nose everytime he starts with his trash mouth!!! I just love it.

Chris Dodd is so pissed that Obama is bringing up a "housing issue"!

Ha, ha, ha! Obama is so undisciplined without a teleprompter!!!

Posted by: Karl | August 21, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

You know, there's only three things the McCain campaign mentions in a sentence anymore: a noun, a verb and POW. I honor McCain's service but I'm getting disgusted by his campaigns constant reliance on his POW trial. And as the daughter of a man who was a POW for 2 1/2 years in WWII I am insulted by his constant insinuation of his captivity into his campaign story. It diminishes his service, the service of all men like my Dad who suffered deprivations not for future glory but for love of country and of their friends. Today reached the tipping point for me on the POW card -- I think they've jumped the shark, and hope they get bitten for it.

Posted by: straight talk my a** | August 21, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl....

Where's Hillary?

You still weep yourself to sleep at night?

Posted by: AsperGirl ain't so bright.... | August 21, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

the last thing i want is to see mccain in the white house. the country desperately needs for the democratic candidate to win. but i could care less, as should every voter, how many houses mccain has. this is political crap and has nothing to do with choosing a president. grow up everybody.

Posted by: jumpingelephant | August 21, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

At least Obama knows he has only one house. The problem is WE know that Rezko helped him get it. WE also know that Rezko's wife got a large loan at a bank to buy the property next door to that house so Obama would have more property. She qualified for a large loan while making only $37,000 a year!

Posted by: Michael | August 21, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Why does McCain get so many free rides? How dare McCain bring up Rezco?! Can you say Keating Five? Why have we focused forever on John Edwards infidelity, giving us every detail to be found, all the while declaring him politically dead. What about McCain's first wife? Why doesn't it matter that McCain did exactly the same thing, except he divorced his wife to marry his mistress?

Posted by: oldfogey | August 21, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

I love how you Obama guys think life is a diversity program.

Rezco is not boy scout stuff...the very people Obama was representing the poor black people of the South Side of Chicago were living in those buildings which Rezco owned and was pocketing the money given by the Feds and the State of Illinois.....no repairs were done and they lived without heat through many a winter.....no comment from Obam!

I am sure you do not prescribe to the moral bankrupsy that it take to profit from these schemes?

After all Obama only received his job at the law firm he worked in, funding for his campaigns and that nice SWEET deal on that $1.6 million home as thank yous from Rezco

Posted by: CRAMOS | August 21, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

This was very poor judgment for Obama to attack McCain on housing - giving McCain an opening to explore the Tony Rezko connection.

Obama Paid $300,000 Less Than The Asking Price For His Mansion, While Tony Rezko's Wife Paid Full Price For A Vacant Lot Next Door On The Very Same Day. "Two years ago, Obama bought a mansion on the South Side, in the Kenwood neighborhood, from a doctor. On the same day, [Antoin 'Tony'] Rezko's wife, Rita Rezko, bought the vacant lot next door from the same seller. The doctor had listed the properties for sale together. He sold the house to Obama for $300,000 below the asking price. The doctor got his asking price on the lot from Rezko's wife.

Posted by: alance | August 21, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

I just saw the new McCain ad and it absolutely demolishes to shreds B.O.'s "home" ad. On good authority, the RNC is getting ready to slaughter B.O.'s reputation post-convention. I CAN'T WAIT!!!

Posted by: Marc | August 21, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Jim

this housing omission in his knowledge base speaks to the reasons behind things like the vets package and why he doesn't get that one tour of duty should earn a soldier who joined for financial reasons ...that doesn't have a wealthy family...who didn't get helped by their fathers...who didn't marry into money...or divorce into money as the case may be...

who put their lives on the line once for one tour of duty...

deserves and more importantly NEEDS the help with an education....

John mccain does not get the every day challenges that wealthy people who earned their money had to face to get their...or people who never got to be wealthy...face every day.

He just does not get it.

againthis is a guy who probably has never had to see a mortgage payment...or a tax form...or a student loan application...

so who do you think is going to know how important the ramifications of those things are.

Posted by: dl | August 21, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

13 homes, then why is he so eager for the big white house? His wife who also claims she is the was the only child and inherited all the father wealth (beer distribution), does not want to claim having a half sister. Actually after her father passed away in 2000 she canceled the credit card and the payments that her father was making to the half sister. McCain and Wife can share one these houses with her who by the way lives in Arizona

Posted by: Annoyed | August 21, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

It is only after reading these posts from the GOP-Contract-Summer-Interns that I truly understand why the Red States continue to become poorer, more uneducated, get divorced more, are fatter, live shorter, and reflect almost every conceivable measure of the "misery index".

They are just too stupid to think for themselves.

Posted by: Red State Moron | August 21, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

I love how McCain's comment at Saddleback, clearly made in jest, and followed by his prediction that it would be taken out of context, is being used by Obama as leverage. Is that all he's got?

McCain is far from elitist. Who's been holding townhall events consistently in both presidential campaigns, actually engaging with voters and answering their questions? McCain. Who goes around at fundraising events claiming they "will win," to not worry, and criticizes the lifestyle and values of people who are different than them?

I also find it disgusting to attack Cindy McCain as a Barbie or a mannequin (yes, that's how you spell it). She's been involved with charity work for decades, long before the presidential campaign. What has Michelle Obama done that involves selflessness or sacrifice? I can name a few things John McCain has done in that regard, and even his wife. But not Barack and Michelle.

Keep your criticisms to the candidates.

Posted by: trisha | August 21, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

McCain's father and grandfather served the US while Admirals in times of war.

Obama's dad was a polygamist who refused to care for his kids, a real deadbeat by any standard.

So, what's Barack do? He goes to a racist church for 20 years and claims to know the answers.

I wouldn't let Barack mow my lawn!

Posted by: Cora | August 21, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Come to think of this seriously....

Obama supporting the murder of babies is much more serious than John McCains Houses.

I think John McCain well deserved to trade the Hanoi Hilton for some good real estate.

Obama on the other hand deserves the Federal Penitentiary.

Posted by: ztormtra | August 21, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

dl, stay focused with me buddy. YOU brought up that the attorney (Bennett) in the Keating investigation was McCain's "best friend". The same Bennet was Bill Clinton's lawyer in the Lewinski affair. You keep misrepresenting the Keating investigation

Posted by: Nepenthe | August 21, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

McCain's an elitist, Obama's an elitist...isn;t EVERYONE who even has the slightest chance to run for president an elitist? Let's face it, running for the presidency is a right only granted to the rich an connected from either party, so claiming one candidate is an elitist but the other is not is baloney.

I don't necessarily support McCain, but I am no Obama supporter either. This whole argument that McCain is "out of touch" because he can;t say how many investment properties he owns off the top of his head is nonsense. How many properties does Obama have? How many properties does his buddy George Clooney have? The Rev. Wright lives pretty well, does he not?

Why wasn't this an issue in the last election? The Dems didn't use this very attack on the fabulous Mrs. Kerry and her properties that pepper the face of our planet. Oh, I know why...because the person in question was not a Republican. How very shrewd of them!

Let's get over the fact that every presidential candidate that we will ever know will be filthy rich, will probably own many expensive houses and blah blah blah. par for the course, "my friends."

And if this is the best attack the Obama campaign can come up with because he's slipping in the polls, what is this great mind going to do when the red Chinese fire nukes towards Alaska?

Posted by: Erik | August 21, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Gotta love the McCain supporter blogs today. This story has obviously upset them.

The fact is, their candidate's campaign to date is 100% anti-Obama content. Has anyone seen a McCain ad that mentioned his plans? If they can't win the "elitist" or "out of touch" argument, they actually might have to explain why the last eight years shouldn't have a bearing on this election.

Posted by: Andy | August 21, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Dear WcCain supporters,

Your desparation and ignorance is really showing on this one.

Yours truly,

Your Everday Extremely Poor by WcCain's Standards American

Posted by: Hee hee.... | August 21, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama voted to allow infanticide after botched abortions three times in the Il state senate...he sounds so pompous when he talks about killing the newborn children....Who is Obama? Damian Thorn had more heart!!

Posted by: Kris | August 21, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

I love the last post

John McCain "a blue collar type of guy"

John Mccain was born into money and elite...

and when he didn't marry initially into money and elite...

and couldn't earn money and elite...

he left the wife to marry into money and elite...

so stop

John Mccain may be a "type of guy" but he has never been and has made sure at no expense to anyone else... he has never had to be anything close to "blue collar"

Posted by: dl | August 21, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Oh my gosh PatrickC...you made me laugh out loud..congratulations for making it a full three paragraphs before inserting McCain's POW status as an excuse for not knowing how many houses he owns. John "I was a war hero" McCain does not get a pass for the rest of the election for being a POW 30 years ago. Get over yourself already.

Posted by: DW | August 21, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

C'mon, Chris, give me a break.

Don't you know what John McCain is a former POW? I mean, because he is a POW he can do or say ANYTHING because he is a POW. He can be dumb, a jerk, confrontational, a womanizer...but he is still a FORMER POW.

Geez.

Posted by: Jane Fonder | August 21, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

DL

No, you're right...we're supposed to elect a guy with 3 years of national government experience instead. LOL

A guy who wants us to check our air pressure in our tires to solve the energy crisis. A guy that was against offshore drilling before he was for it because the polls say the people are for it.

Don't get me wrong, I think both of these candidates are horrible. The difference is that one is a Socialist and the other at least doesn't throw the military under the bus so by default I'll probably hold by nose and vote McCain.

Posted by: Jim | August 21, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

After you buy about your third or fourth house, the complexity of the liberal tax code pretty much requires you hire someone else to handle this.

Only someone bottom fishing for "distractions" would jump all over this. the better to tear you away from his sinking numbers and constant blunders.

Posted by: kingofzouk | August 21, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

McCain defenders, what makes you think McCain cares about you? You poor, poor peasants. You don't have enough money to hang out with him. He probably thinks he is lowering himself by being around you. Get a clue. He does not care about you or your struggles. He cannot identify with you. He hasn't lived in your shoes. Not to mention, for the evangelicals, you are just a joke to him. Just like the poor, poor peasants are a joke to him. At least Obama knows what it is to struggle. Which brings me to another matter. Obama didn't inherit the money he has. He worked for it. Cindy inherited her money. Someone else worked for her money. So the case is not the same when comparing Cindy McCain and Obama forgotten siblings.

Posted by: AlindaFaye2000 | August 21, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Methinks Obama lives in a big Million Dollor Glass House paid for with crooked Rezco Money and visited by lots of terrorists.

Obama does not know who he is up against.

Posted by: ztormtra | August 21, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Is there something wrong with McCain?

There seems to be a never ending supply of these brain-fart comments from vetoing beer to owning houses to the surge is working. I just keep getting the impression that there's something medically wrong with McCain's brain or brain chemsitry. Or maybe it's the pressure or stress or I don't know, but this really is starting to freak me out from a candidate for President. Hell, even Bush could get this sort of stuff right.

Posted by: astral99 | August 21, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

mibrooks27

Your so considered, so thoughtful in your remarks - lead me to the truth Obaminion...

Anyway, as to the substance of your Michelle commentary, you are wrong -

From National Review:

"What she doesn’t mention is that the helping industry has treated her pretty well. In 2006, the Chicago Tribune reported that Mrs. Obama’s compensation at the University of Chicago Hospital, where she is a vice president for community affairs, jumped from $121,910 in 2004, just before her husband was elected to the Senate, to $316,962 in 2005, just after he took office. And that does not count the money Mrs. Obama receives from serving on corporate boards."

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MmEyN2RkNzcwYzgyZDY2MDBiY2U5MjJlZGMwNDM2ODg=

That would be a 160% increase...oh, yeah, Obama then requested at least $1M in earmarks for the hospital the following year (see following link). Good return on their "investment" I'd say.


http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MmEyN2RkNzcwYzgyZDY2MDBiY2U5MjJlZGMwNDM2ODg=

I will give you the meaningless semantic point that it was under the auspices of her role as a vice president that they greased the wheels of government. However, she was also a director, as indicated in the first link.

Posted by: Bam | August 21, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Brian Rogers, is that all you have?!

I don't know, McCain's wife even bought a plane and got her pilot license without McCain knowing it. He's got not 1, not 2, not 3, but seven houses. Brian, you don't think these things stand out?

I personally think Obama's family is too small for a mansion, but he made four million last year...and I can still simply relate to the fact that he has 1 home. His wife doesn't dress like she's on red carpet everyday (I can relate), hasn't bought planes and things like that (I think their marriage is more my ideal - but I'm not voting based on these things, my issue is solely with the issues and the trust in the next president behind the issues). He's a Christian, and he believes in work. He likes sports. He's got old clothes, kept in good condition over a period of 10 years. I don't personally know Obama, but so far it is as though I could invite him right to my livingroom and have something similar to a family reunion, or simply a gathering right in my home. I'd say he has a "richer" version of my lifestyle, but he definitely fits in. I'm not voting based on that though, but since the topic is there....

I have a more difficult time seeing how I'd relate with McCain, other than being a Christian. I can't see myself having as comfortable a conversation as I can see myself having one with Obama. Obama's got some money, but I also believe he has more of a clue of what's going on with people. I surely thought Huckabee would be the Republican nominee, him or Ron Paul.

Posted by: Obama2008 | August 21, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse


Okay, I'm tired of it.

Don't let's hear any more nasty stuff about the lovely Michelle...

...until you answer this question. Could Cindy McCain, with her record, get a top secret clearance to workin the White House or State, or...

Posted by: Put or Shut up | August 21, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

I think it shows how desperate the Obamaniacs are. I think McCain spends most of his time worrying about the country rather than his own finances. Who gives a rat's patuty how many homes he owns. It is safe to say, however, that he didn't acquire any of them in a sweetheart deal with a convicted felon.

Posted by: steve | August 21, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

anonymous

while McCain's father was getting him into top schools

Obama was living with his grandparents and could only afford to go to those schools by working at it and earning scholarship from that work

earning by working...

does John mccain know what that is?

Posted by: dl | August 21, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

I seriously doubt this is a Kerry wind surfing incident. I think many look at McCain and see a blue collar type of guy so its hard to plaster him with an elitist label even though his wife and him have considerable wealth. However, I do think it shows how scared Obama and his campaign are with McCain’s recent rise in the polls. A month ago they never would have said anything and let the bloggers run the course. I think Obama has to worry how it looks for someone as young as him to belittle an elder statesman for a gaff. Look Obama added a few states to our country so we all make mistakes and Regan had many but was still seen as the common man. I would say it’s a double standard against Obama. However I would note that Obama has made a point of how he is a different type of politician. If you take away what is unique about Obama you really have nothing since he has not accomplished anything worth noting. McCain can actually point to bipartisan bills he led and the many times he was out of step with his party on fairly major issues. Obama has a shallow record that never challenged his party on any major issue. His one hallmark issue (political reform) was thrown under the bus because it would give him a leg up in the election. My wife voted for Obama in Iowa because he was positive and seemed not to be a typical politician, but after Hillary attacked Obama and he counter attacked her my wife grew tired of him and saw him as just another politician. I am not saying she’s pro McCain only she does not talk positively about Obama. I think Obama is on thinner ice with this hack job of an attack ad than McCain.

Posted by: sltiowa | August 21, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

McCain's houses-so what? With the money his wife's beer distributorship makes I'm surprised he doesn't have more. How many has Kerry's wife bought with her H.J.Heinz money? Want houses? Let's look at the Clintons, Kennedy's and don't forget the Chief Demo=Howard Dean.

I bet McCain didn't buy anything from a convicted felon named Rezko.

Posted by: JR | August 21, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Let the National Enquirer pay $1 million to interview Barack Obama's dope dealers. They must be still in Hawaii! Let's find out if Obama liked the good weed! Ha, ha!!! What a dipsitck!

Posted by: Cora | August 21, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

I cannot wait to see how McSame and company bumble around trying to bring up the Rezko non issue. Let's face it, most American's will not even understand it! Obama can just hit right back with all of McSames lobbying ties which immediately contradict his rhetoric. Americans will understand that an elitist like John should not be running a country in dire economic straits if he cannot even keep up with his own finances.

Posted by: Randy | August 21, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

I own one house. But I don't know how many other rental properties I own. I'd have to look it up. I do know that the company I own has lots of rental properties, and they are very profitable. So am I out of touch with the "common man"? I don't think so. I am a common man. I am very common.

Like many other hard working Americans, I came up the hard way. I worked my way through undergraduate and graduate schools. I did a lot of dirty and dangerous jobs to make a buck. I did not dodge the draft or badmouth my country. I definitely did not do business with crooks like Tony Rezko. Obama bought his properties through sweetheart deals with Rezko. I didn't. Nor did John McCain.

So if John McCain cannot remember just how many houses he has, so what? Maybe it doesn't really matter to him. Maybe he is more concerned with serving his country. McCain could have taken the easy way out when he was a POW and gone home early because he was an admiral's son. Instead he chose to stay in the Hanoi Hilton and endure over five years of unspeakable torture and degradation. Then he came back home to serve his country as a US Senator.

After all that, do any of you little boys at the Washington Post really think that he cares about how many houses he owns? I doubt that any of you at the Post could have endured even one day of the treatment that McCain endured for over five years. Yet you are so concerned if the guy can't remember one stupid detail about his material wealth that matters little to him?

You at the Washington Post love Obama. We all know that. You are in the tank for the guy, and would do anything to get him elected president. Just admit it and for once tell the truth about your agenda. The Obama campaign is sinking. The American People all know that also. Obama and his paid employees will say and do anything to get him elected. So it's no surprise that they would latch onto this meaningless story and have at it. No one with an IQ over 50 believes that this story has any legs. No one but you in the manistream media.

So have at McCain, boys. He's taken harder shots than you can deliver. And he's come out on top. It's a slow news cycle this August. If this is all you have, McCain has a lock on the presidency come November.

Posted by: Patrick C. | August 21, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Paul Nolan, research who the richest players in Congress are. Get back to me will you? How many years of welfare and we have multi-generational receivers (all you knee-jerk libs, back off this isn't about race). Why do Demos brag about how many people they put ON welfare and not how many they have gotten off of it.

Posted by: Nepenthe | August 21, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

I have mixed feelings on this and many other matters, but let me express my first impression upon looking at the map of McCain homes that the DNC put out.

I'm glad that the man who suffered so terribly in the Hanoi hilton now enjoys a prime view of the Pacific Ocean in his leisure time. If he hasn't earned it, in the moral (not the economic) sense, then who has?

I can assure you that I am not plugging for McCain. This issue, however, isn't going to make me feel bad about him.

Posted by: OfficerMancuso | August 21, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

The houses stuff goofy. Next thing you know Obama will be calling for the guillotine for the rich.

Michelle as Mde. Defarge. Can she knit?

At least none of the McCain homes were paid for with the help of a convicted felon!

Posted by: Pete Kent | August 21, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse


Considering that NObama and McCAIN are BOTH "rich" and both were brought up in rather "well off" families ...

Nice try, NObama - but, Sorry, it actually does NOT matter !!

McCAIN or Hillary in '08

Posted by: CJB in CA | August 21, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

There USED to be ANOTHER guy named HUSSEIN who had a BUNCH of houses. BIG ones.

He'd still be operating a murderous dictatorship if his cousin from Chicago had had his way.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Nepenthe

who cares about the Clintons lawyer

Obama and mccain are rtunnign...

and chances are while Mccain is forgetting how many HOMES he owns...Obama is going to be picking the guy who was carrying his own stumps to the dump.

Posted by: dl | August 21, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

McCain's houses-so what. With the money his wife's beer distributorship makes I'm surprised he doesn't have more. How many has Kerry's wife bought with her H.J.Heinz money? Want houses? Let's look at the Clintons, Kennedy's and don't forget the Chief Demo=Howard Dean.

I bet McCain didn't buy anything from a convicted felon named Rezko.

Posted by: JR | August 21, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Edwards grew, Rielle blew, McCain flew,
While Obama sniffed glue.

While McCain was serving his country, Obama was trying to find his identity in a bag of weed!

Posted by: Mark | August 21, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a far from being a "man of the people" as anyone could be. He was brought up in a hot house environment, went to special schools and has never, ever, associated with working people. As a result, this "citizen of the world" has nothing in common with working class Americans and any claim to the contrary is just a fabrication of his cunning handlers.


Steve, if you wrote a book and could send your children to a better school with better teachers and an opportunity to go to a better college would you keep you kids in crappy public schools?? I pay $12000 a year right now and I didn't write a stinkin book. maybe I should hmmm!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Harry: You're joking, right? You ask who you'd rather vote for, a "lawyer living off the government" or a "man who pays real estate taxes on 7 homes."

Ummm .. McCain failed to pay taxes for FOUR YEARS on his LaJolla condo, it went into default this spring and almost got tax sold. And who do you think pays his salary??? Peter Pan?

And JDW -- do you really want to talk about tenuous Obama ties to U of Chicago professor Ayres? Let's look at McCain's ties to his "close friend" convicted urban terrorist G. Gordon Liddy, who has held fund raisers and contributed to McCain for years. Remember -- Liddy's the guy who gave tips to the Branch Davidians to aim above the ATF Agents' flak jackets to get maximum damage and expressed admiration for Hitler. Yeah ... bring that one on, too!

And if anyone would like to take a look at the humble McCain "ranch" that he traipses off to each weekend because he's so old he can't keep up -- take a look at the Architectural Digest spread on the McCain mansion. Yeah, AD, that pointy headed elite magazine, lol. OH, this is getting to be fun again.

http://www.architecturaldigest.com/homes/features/archive/mccain_slideshow_072005?showall=true

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

This so-called story will have no effect
on the campaign!
It is a flagrant attempt by Obama's MSM
operatives to divert attention from the
fact that Obama Lied about his vote
against the bill that would protect the
lives of fetuses who survived abortions!
Obama said that the Illinois bill was
not the same as the Federal bill and that has proven to be a lie!
Additionally why would anyone believe a poll by CBS and the New York Times?
Both have been proven to make up
false stories as they see fit!

Posted by: ernie in florida | August 21, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

so jim with your funny posting about Mccain owning no houses and Obama lying about it...haha

so we are supposed to elect a President that lives off his wife...and doesn't have the wherewithal to own a home...

and he is supposed to understand thae challenges americans are facing in their daily lives?

Posted by: dl | August 21, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse


OH GOD!

How rewarding to see all the McCainers
SCREAMING here.

The great majority of their little arguments and comments are silly and childish. Must've brough in new people. Children perhaps. Seriously.

The Obama people are so much more intelligent. It's a pleasure, all around.

Posted by: happy happy | August 21, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

T. Feg is right. He walked into it.

But was it a trap?

Imagine this backroom conversation:

"Hey, John's got seven or eight residential properties. That could be a problem. They'll say he's rich and can't relate.

"How can we defuse that as an issue, and attack Obama at the same time?"

"I got it! We get someone on the outside to leak to Politico: 'Hey, why don't you ask him how many houses he's got? The answer might make some good copy.'

"Then we drop some fresh dirt about Obama and Rezko and say, 'Wanna talk houses? WE'LL talk houses.'"

"Brilliant! Now that's some real disinfo!"

Posted by: GOP Disinfo? | August 21, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

I doubt this particular item actually reveals anything particularly significant about McCain. I also doubt that it will have much traction with the swing voters. Presumably, the current set of economic difficulties are a problem for McCain. The question is whether the swing voters will have confidence that Democratic tax and spend giveaway programs are going to fix them. Anyone looking for straight talk on these problems should listen to the governer of New York. Obama would have a better chance of getting my vote, if he started talking about tough love and the hard choices necessary to adjust our economy to new realities.

Posted by: dnjake | August 21, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Okay, maybe not "wouldn't support" but they were highly demanding of answers. and they got them. Just thought i'd correct my language. Sorry folks.

Posted by: Anne, chicago | August 21, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

I love the "Cheater's Rap" by TruthinDenver. Very cool.

Posted by: Mary | August 21, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

McCain didn't earn any of those millions - he married into money. Obama had only a single mother and grandparents and work his way up and earned all his money the real American way and people call him on wealth? McCain only flew because after crashing three jets in training his father got him through flight school. This of course is his only claim to fame - being shoot down and taken POW - BTW did you hear McCain was a POW; he may own (through a corporation) seven houses but he was a POW; he may not know much of economics but BTW, he was a POW. Of course, unlike Kerry who not only was wounded in a number of combat actions, but he was never lucky enough to be a POW so attacking his service by slime repubics was OK. Just remember, McClueless, was a POW so we all must accept anything he says.

Posted by: DBrown | August 21, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

In response to Harry's question, "Which one of these guys do you want to emulate?", I'm going with the guy who started with nothing and became a self-made millionaire based on his own skill rather than the guy who married rich. (Was that a laugh out loud question?)

Seriously, no one who runs for President is ever going to be facing the same issues as a middle-income American. Both Senator McCain and Senator Obama are going to do quite well even if they lose. The rest of us just have to hope that the winner remembers what it was like to be one of us.

Posted by: Andy | August 21, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

dl,
so the democrats hired a lawyer to represent them that was "best friends" with the guy they wanted to get? Keating hurt our country as well as anyone else mismanaging a savings and loan. Like say a Garraty or Whitewater operation? McCain was "friends" with Keating and Bill/Hillary were business partners with McDougal.

Posted by: nepenthe | August 21, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Neither candidate can win this one. This all boils down to which candidate cal portray themselves as a "regular Joe". Neither candidate can accurately do this based upon their backgrounds. Few people can relate to being a war hero or a Harvard grad. Most people don't own one or a half a dozen million dollar homes. This is a to do about nothing

Posted by: Ross | August 21, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Cramos go read the data in detail of the Keating Five

remember Larry Craig just got admonished too.

the long list of time and details and tit for tat with the keating five in the light of day makes the worst case scenario with rezko look like a boy scouts awards ceremony.

Posted by: dl | August 21, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Who would you choose for financial or life advice, McCain or Obama?

See what happened in Detroit.

Posted by: Rosie | August 21, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

When I am President, you will all be renters. Profit will be outlawed and equality will be forced. Everyone can slink down to my half-bro's level.

Posted by: snObama | August 21, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

The Tribune pretty much said they wouldn't support Obama until he answered their questions about Rezko, and he finally did. I'm sure some of you will look at it and say "Liberal Media Bias", but this might have some of the answers you are looking for.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/letters/chi-0316edit1mar16,0,7855333.story

Posted by: Anne, Chicago | August 21, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

G go read the story in more detail of keating and his relationship his long tight and continuously close relationship with the Mccain's along with financial transactions...

it may have gotten by the committees standards but I am sure it would smell like rotten fish to heaven to the regular public.

Posted by: dl | August 21, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

No wonder McCain couldn't get too steamed about helping homeowners (instead of big biz banks) during the foreclosure crisis! Let them move into one of their other houses!

Posted by: Dr_JES | August 21, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Nice to see all this talk of the
Keating 5....by the way kids he was absolved of any wrong doing......

I have finally discovered what the glue is between OBAMA and his supporters...You all lack a a moral center.......moral corruption is your common thread

Give it your BEST shot.....your attempts to smear a NATIONAL HERO.....will fail!!!!

Posted by: CRAMOS | August 21, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

I've been for Obama for more than a year now and I am not scared of McCain or Republican branding. I know whose making money in this country and its the GOP and their financial allies. Want to talk caviar brand and mink coats? Its the GOP and McCain. His wife practically reeks rich barbie manikin.

Posted by: Paul Nolan | August 21, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Uh oh, looks like the Barry ad just lied. McCain doesn't own 7 properties. He owns none.

His wife, her kids and their trusts own 8 properties.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12700.html

Posted by: Jim | August 21, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

No wonder McCain couldn't get too steamed about helping homeowners (instead of big biz banks) during the foreclosure crisis! Let them move into one of their other houses!

Posted by: Dr_JES | August 21, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

America is racist - NO PURPLE LIPS

Posted by: jules | August 21, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Beef is from cows, oh I's sorry, I thought thsi was the come in and post the most silly thing you can think of.

You guys can get back at it, remember, dont eat the paste, we need it for after your nap time.

Posted by: Thevegan | August 21, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Here's why the Home Debate really matters: Not only are swing voters drifting away from Obama but Democrats are getting buyer's remorse.

What desperate flailing about.

Posted by: Aaron | August 21, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Wow! A little knowledge goes an incredible distance with most of these posters. No Purple lips? C'mon boys, grow up, and at least TRY to say something intelligent.

Posted by: sundog 2 | August 21, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

The hypocritical democrats just tried to elect John Kerry, who has an extremely wealthy wife and many homes, and Obama is knocking a war veteran who happened to also marry a rich woman. Is Obama nuts? Doesn't everyone want to be rich? That's all the rappers rap about, money and power! Obama is going to lose by a landside for attaching John McCain on this!!! It is so totally irrelevant! Now, Obama is going to have to face the wrath of McCain when he starts talking about who Obama got his house!!! Meanwhile, Obama's own brother lives in a shack outside Nairobi! What has Obama done to help his own family's situation. I love when Obama just keeps putting his foot in his mouth. Now, I want to know if Obama made a deal with Edwards to keep the sex scandal quiet till after the DNC in Denver. But, if you want to rap, then:

Cheater’s Rap

John Edwards talked about Dad’s mill,
While sleeping with a chick off the pill,
He lied and fibbed to the MS press,
And, awoke early to preen and dress.

His wife, Elizabeth, knew the lie in 2006,
But supported John in Iowa while sick,
They stole Hillary’s honest votes daily,
And laughed on cue, and hiding Rielle.

Why did John lie like a cheatin’ rat ?
No “New Deal” for the average Democrat,
While Obama and Hillary fought on the stump,
John Edwards watched Rielle grow a bump.

Now John’s love child is common news,
And Fred Baron has money to lose,
Rielle, now nursing, has jetted away,
Even Geraldo has joined the fray!

John’s affair has hurt his poor kids,
More than Clinton’s cigars ever did,
A sordid tale that some call a crock,
The only winner, a loser named Barack!

Like dogs in heat, Edwards did pant,
Defined forever, just like Hugh Grant,
Tabloids paid to get the sleaze,
Is it John’s baby, mister please?

While Barack snorted in Hawaii like Bobby Vinton,
Unaware the DNC plans to elect a Clinton,
Edwards may face time from the tax man,
But not if a pardon is part of Obama’s plan.

Now Dems will pick an absolute zero,
but, Repubs will elect a real war hero,
Why McCain still shops for votes at Costco,
I hear Obama scored free house from felon Rezko.

While Elizabeth cries over her brood,
Baby mama with John was not a prude,
Gone the innocent days of Tom Sawyer,
John gettin’ love like a real trial lawyer.

Posted by: TruthinDenver | August 21, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Sorry dee, we haven't suffered for 8 years under Bush. If you want suffering, go back to 1976-1980 under Jimmah Carter.

That was SUFFERING. Today is a cake walk compared to that.

Posted by: Not_dee | August 21, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I meant keating and Mccain were for all intensive purposes best buddies.

Posted by: dl | August 21, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Karma's a Beeeactch. Who's the ELITIST now? HAHAHA. Idiots.

Posted by: Karna | August 21, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I don't care how many "house counts" of various Democrats you McCain "frequent liar point" posters post.(I know you want the autographed t-shirt)

It's the fact that HE DIDN'T KNOW!

Maybe Charlie Rangel owns 4 houses...I'll bet he knows the ADDRESS of every one.

Posted by: willandjansdad | August 21, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

If this Asper Girl dolt hates Obama so much, why does she spend countless hours of her time talking about jim?

Posted by: Jon | August 21, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Nepenthe

go look at Bennet's relationship with mccain first...since this all happened and when it happened.


This is a guy who was for all intensive purposes his best friend...

Keating hurt our COUNTRY and it's families financial state...all the while McCain is flyng around with them and staying on his private resort...and ...

the story is one they are not proud of.

and a 100 times worse than rezko.

period.

Posted by: dl | August 21, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Ummm...yeah....about Charles Keating....it was the DEMOCRAT COUNSEL that testified under oath that John McCain violated NO ethics rules nor laws nor was he aware of what Keating was doing....so nice try there but no dice.

Posted by: G | August 21, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Obama's camp is scared, VERY scared. As they should be. Why isn't Obama a mile ahead of McCain by now? This election was handed to the Democratic party on a platter. But they couldn't come up with a viable, electable candidate.

Posted by: Me And Me | August 21, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

I think this is all a set up!! Obama will win. He has to America may be a little racist but we are not stupid. GW has screwed up this country to the point that Russia can pimp slap the USA and we hold our cheek in sour dismay! John Mccain would drive us into a depression he hasn't a clue and all of you know it. Obama has to win so that when he fails as any normal person would fail this next term, Not because he's incompetent like G Bush but because there is no easy fix for the current situation. It's going to be bad. Obama will make the perfect whipping boy! It's a win win for my racist friends We get to say see we gave em a chance and look what happened!! They are just not ready for that much power only white quarterbacks.....sorry I digress. the call will come..We need John Mccain!! Of course he will be dead and we will find another under-achieving legacy kid to tell lemmings what to do!

Posted by: dp | August 21, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

It's Hillary

Posted by: tom | August 21, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Folks, face it. Nobody who is nominated to be president is a "regular guy." Maybe that is unfortunate, but it is true.

I do not care a whit how many houses McCain or, for that matter, Obama has if he can successfully navigate among our many enemies and stop the idiots in Congress from legislating us into a depression.

Obama is a far from being a "man of the people" as anyone could be. He was brought up in a hot house environment, went to special schools and has never, ever, associated with working people. As a result, this "citizen of the world" has nothing in common with working class Americans and any claim to the contrary is just a fabrication of his cunning handlers.

Posted by: Steve | August 21, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

The new Obama ad on McSame's understanding of the economy hits McLame square between the eyes! On issues and the grasp of the same, no less! McLame can't deny anything; his best counter is to insult and obfuscate. McLame's people wanna get rough with Obama, not a problem. BRING IT! Just know that you're either man enough to "get some" or man enough to "take some".

Posted by: Black and Bitter Like Coffee | August 21, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Republicans bring up Rezko

Democrats will bring up Charles Keating.

"It doesn't matter if it's true."
-Karl Rove

Posted by: Dan B | August 21, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

the juxtaposition iof this against yesterdays image of Biden hauling his own tree stumps to the dump is absolutely clarifying isn't it.

Posted by: dl | August 21, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

TOP 10 WAYS TO TELL YOUR ELITIST NOMINEE IS GETTING DESPERATE

MONDAY: 3-day moving average of national polls falls

TUESDAY: 3-day moving average of national polls falls

WEDNESDAY: 3-day moving average of national polls falls

THURSDAY: 3-day moving average of national polls falls

FRIDAY: 3-day moving average of national polls falls

SATURDAY: Mainstream media articles noting that he's sliding in the polls

SUNDAY: Mainstream media articles wondering why he's sliding in the polls

MONDAY: Mainstream media articles explaining why he's sliding in the polls

TUESDAY: Mainstream media articles say the old white lady might bail him out

WEDNESDAY: He starts a desperate, petty slap-fight, that he'll probably lose

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 21, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

His wife is the businesswoman of the family. They are essentially HER properties. McCain does not concern himself with those things. He's a full-time senator. This is a non-issue. Obama who promise a "new kind" of politics should be ashamed of himself.

Posted by: David123456 | August 21, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

dl, you keep bringing up the Keating 5. It was investigated by the Democrat controlled congress. Of the five (4 Demos and 1 Repub), McCain received the least of the admonishments. The Democrat prosecutor (Bennet of Clinton Lewinski fame) said McCain did nothing wrong. This Keating 5 argument may be working at your MENSA meetings but it won't hold water any where else. I was just kidding, I know you don't belong to MENSA

Posted by: Nepenthe | August 21, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

My name is elmer j fudd I own a mansion and a yacth

Posted by: Limuel | August 21, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse


Ask the Dalai Bama how many houses the Kennedys and the Kerrys have.

Not that their overly-publicized endorsements of him have actually amounted to a hill of beans in Massachusetts to this point.

And won't in November, either.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

When McSame said "We're all Georgians" he was referring to Bush's tax cuts.

America is a nation of whiners...

Rich is $5 million...

In addition to being a POW, I'm a VIP. I deserve seven houses and mys econd wife's private jet.

I can get away with forging Campaign Finance documents because I'm rich.

I'm a maverick that won't change a single policy in the next four years, nor will I adapt a badly misguided foreign policy that has resulted in one failed war of choice and one failed war.
I won't change our spending patterns and create American jobs by investing in American transportation infrastructure. I'll just keep spending America's tax dollars in Iraq on no bid contractors related to Cheney, my good friend.

So what if I have seven houses, you'll all still be poor and dumb enough to vote for me anyway.

Posted by: Angry Dem | August 21, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

jjv - McCain is a "war hero". Excuse me, I'm chocking with laughter. Is this the same guy who, in a drunken rage, touched off a rocket on the carrier deck and killed a number of crewmen on his aircraft carrier? And, is this the same hungover drunk who managed to get himself shot down over Vietnam? You aren't a "hero" for being an out of control moron! McCain's "hero" status relies upon his daddy and family members creating it. McCain, himself, was never anything more than a drunk and a philanderer.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | August 21, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

I didn't know I got a preferred mortgage rate - a famous Dem

I didn't know I lived next door to a crook and got my house under market, way under market - a famous Dem

I didn't know I couldn't rent the whole building under rent control - a famous Dem

I regularly intercede in local zoning issues on behalf of my son - a famous Dem

the names have been withheld to protect the guilty

Posted by: kingofzouk | August 21, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

McCain doesn't own any houses

The presumptive Republican nominee, though, may have some wiggle room in explaining why he couldn't immediately provide an answer when asked by Politico how many houses he and his wife, Cindy, own. Sen. McCain himself does not own any of the properties. They're all owned by Cindy McCain, her dependent children and the trusts and companies they control.

Politico

Posted by: paul | August 21, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

This is a can of worms Obama did not want to open. The last thing he wanted/needed was an opening for his dealings with Rezko to be put front and center under the brightest of spotlights - which they now will. If they'd thought a little longer, rather than simply reacting to McCain's comments, they would have simply let it slide. The Obama/Rezko association will blow wide open for here and not to Obama's advantage.

Posted by: T.Ferg | August 21, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Steve said

Do you think Ted Kennedy, George Soros, or Nancy Pelosi could tell you how many houses they own? I sincerely doubt it. This is really a waste of time (and a losing strategy).

Of course they could...they actually have all probably seen a mortgage payment...because they know their financial history and/or daily workings of raising kids and the finances that go into that.

Mccain...not so much.

This is why he does not get that soldiers who joined for financial reason not only should but need the education after they get out. This is why he doesn't understand that it is not "too generous" to give those poorer soldiers who did not have the luxury of joining for family dynasty reasons...they need an education and how important it is.

John Mccain just doesn't get it...how could he...he's been taken care fo financially almost ALL of his life.

Posted by: dl | August 21, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

With all due respect, the subject of the wealth of one's wife is not a winner for the electorate. Remember 2004? By comparison, Teresa Heinz was much wealthier than Mrs. McCain.

from Wikipedia:

To date, Teresa Heinz has declined to disclose her personal tax returns, citing family trusts and privacy. She is estimated to be worth between $750 million and $1.2 billion. According to her most recently released income tax of 2003, Kerry and Heinz paid an effective federal income tax rate of 12%.

Heinz/Kerry owned lots of houses, too.

Also remember that America loves people who have made it. JFK and Jackie were our rich king and queen. Everyone knew the Kennedys were rolling in money. Same for the Bushes.

And this is from the NYT obituary of FDR:

http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/bday/0130.html
The early life of Franklin Delano Roosevelt was typical of a member of a family of wealth and assured social position--an aristocratic family, as aristocracy is measured on this side of the Atlantic. His birthplace was a stately mansion on the Roosevelt estate, overlooking the Hudson River and set in the midst of broad acres near Hyde Park. The property had been in the possession of his family for a hundred years.

Equating rich and poor with good and evil doesn't work. Bono. Rich. Good guy. Warren Buffet, giving all his money away to Gates' foundation; Gates is trying to eradicate malaria, a huge scourge in Africa. I could go on and on about great people, real philanthropists, who have made the world a much better place.

So living in a shack makes one great or good? How about Ted Kaczynski?

This kind of attack is class warfare, and is exactly the kind of thing Obama said he was against at the beginning of the campaign.

Posted by: strongerthandirt | August 21, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

I love this! The McCain homes issue matters because it highlights many questionable facets of the McCain biography that his camp wants to hide:

1) he is the son and grandson of admirals and thus benefited from a peculiar form of affirmative action rather than earning his way to the top through his own intellect and hard work.

2)he became rich by marrying an heiress not by dint of his own hard work or business expertise.

3) the heiress he married was one he found while still married to his first wife. He cheated on his first wife and abandoned her while she was recovering from a near-fatal car accident.

4) thanks to the wealth of his second wife, he owns seven to ten homes (does any one know for sure?). So many that he forgot to pay property taxes on at least one of them up until last month.

5)last Saturday McCain told Rick Warren that he believed that "rich" was defined as anyone with more than $5 million!

6) while attempting to portray Obama as an out-of-touch elitist, McCain has been caught in the foulest form of hypocrisy. In fact McCain is the one who wears $500 Feragamo shoes while driving around with Poppy Bush in a golf cart, flies around the country in his private jet, and owns so many houses he doesn't know how to count them.

McCain is not one of us, unless "us" is a pandering, arrogant, anti-intellectual, war-mongering, Shia/Sunni confusing, Iran bombing, Lieberman embracing, old hypocrite.

As a nation which has suffered under eight years of Bushism, we deserve better than this.

Posted by: dee | August 21, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Obama is all about image, but is truly the man behind the curtain we're not supposed to pay any attention to. His Oz image is that he is a man of the people and is above nasty politics, but he's playing hardball in dirty campaigning now. He went to Chicago to be a man of the people, a community organizer, but he spotted that Hyde Park house's prestigious address and got in on that sweetheart deal with Rezko and Rezko's wife's help.

Posted by: Tracy | August 21, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse


Linda,


Isn't such a smart thing...complaining about democrat's hair cuts...

Who do ya suppose cuts the three scrawny white strands that constitntute McOld's head of hair?

Might try a different track. ANd besides Cindy has a wardrobe girl and hair person travelling with her. THAT's a great
line for those of us who don't have personal maids...

Posted by: not smart | August 21, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Between Cometboy and It's Me we have the fruit of today's youth......Hey you kids Grandma is is asleep time to steal her medications!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: CRAMOS | August 21, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

I can more easily identify with someone who has multiple rental properties than I can with somebody who has his own private 777 to fly around on.

http://www.UpYoursObama.com/

Posted by: UpYoursObama | August 21, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Ron | August 21, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

The McCain folk, caught short, are trying to change the subject to Rezko. Good, now Obama can point up the Keating affair.

The House gambit points out two things:

1. McCain is clueless about how average Americans live, their needs and struggles to support family, provide for their children's education, and security for their sunset years.

2. It points up McCain's forgetfulness. Coupled with earlier episodes of confusion, one has wonder if he is capable of making good judgments. Does this open the door for Obama to talk about McCain's PTSD?

One other point: Obama's income consists mostly of royalties on the two books he wrote. I am reading "Dreams of from My Father" today and recommend it highly. This income has enabled him and his wife to finally pay off student loans.

Posted by: Peter | August 21, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

It's not the number of houses. It's the fact that he didn't know that burns me.

How out of touch!

Posted by: willandjansdad | August 21, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I think the more important issue is who is in more touch with the taxpayer? A lawyer who lives off of the government? Or a man who pays Real estate taxes on 7 homes? Which one relates more with the taxpayer? Honestly, I am not a big fan of John McCain. I do not care for his "Maverick" ways in the Senate. But if he was fortunate enough to marry a woman that has money, then good for him. I for one want to be rich. I want to be wealthy. I want to own 7 homes. My choice is who is the best person to get me there? A man who has 7 homes? Or a man that wants to level all people to be poor? When you go to a Doctor, do you choose the doctor that drives a Benz or one that drives a Yugo? When you need a lawyer, do you go to the one that looks like a winner or the one that looks like he gets his clothes from Goodwill? When you want to make it in the world do you model your success after the guy that wants the lowest common denominator or the guy that has bettered himself? So to all of you that complain that McCain is too wealthy to be President, I say this.... Does he want to be president to take all the money he can to be wealthy or does he have a sense to lead? We have seen previous administrations that have spent all of their lives in Government service to leave the White House as Millionaires (William Jefferson Clinton) and now you have another career government worker in Barrack Hussien Obama who just recently bought a $1,000,000.00 home and taken a long vacation that the majority of us common gun holding bible thumping people could never take. Which one of these guys do you want to emulate?

Posted by: Harry | August 21, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse


McCain - Founding Member of the Keating Five:

Back in the old days, defendants in famous trials got numbers -- the Chicago Eight, the Gang of Four, the Dave Clark Five, the Daytona 500. McCain was one of the "Keating Five," congressmen investigated on ethics charges for strenuously helping convicted racketeer Charles Keating after he gave them large campaign contributions and vacation trips.
Charles Keating was convicted of racketeering and fraud in both state and federal court after his Lincoln Savings & Loan collapsed, costing the taxpayers $3.4 billion. His convictions were overturned on technicalities; for example, the federal conviction was overturned because jurors had heard about his state conviction, and his state charges because Judge Lance Ito (yes, that judge) screwed up jury instructions. Neither court cleared him, and he faces new trials in both courts.)

Though he was not convicted of anything, McCain intervened on behalf of Charles Keating after Keating gave McCain at least $112,00 in contributions. In the mid-1980s, McCain made at least 9 trips on Keating's airplanes, and 3 of those were to Keating's luxurious retreat in the Bahamas. McCain's wife and father-in-law also were the largest investors (at $350,000) in a Keating shopping center; the Phoenix New Times called it a "sweetheart deal."


Mafia ties:

In 1995, McCain sent birthday regards, and regrets for not attending, to Joseph "Joe Bananas" Bonano, the head of the New York Bonano crime family, who had retired to Arizona. Another politician to send regrets was Governor Fife Symington, who has since been kicked out of office and convicted of 7 felonies relating to fraud and extortion.


McCain has been screwing over poor people for his rich overloards for years:

http://www.realchange.org/mccain.htm
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Posted by: TherealMcCain | August 21, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

They's better check how many houses the VP nominee owns before they make that announcement.

: )

Posted by: herzlliebster | August 21, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

This is pure comedy...house, how many houses, were talking about houses, multiple houses, lots and lots of cash, wealthy second wife selsection after several trail versions were tested out for financial viability, (wink, wink) - is this the next reality tv soap opera in the making.

Unraveling before your eyes - I think McCain will get through this moment, but I am sure you will give another opportunity to pull the pumpkin from his crack for teh world to see.

Posted by: Campy | August 21, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Chris, are you getting tired from carrying Obama's water today?

House-gate? Get real.

Posted by: Fuji | August 21, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

David - David, see my post (below). Yourstatement is completely false. Obama DID NOT buy a home from Rezko. What he bought was a piece of land adjacent to the property that his home was on. Moreover, he paid market value, at that time, for that peice of land, although it was low market value. Thus, your entire argument is that Obama bought a piece of property for less than low market value? That's pretty thin as an argument. Now, compare that with McCain's dealings with Keating and Amramoff, where fraud and influence peddling, and illegal activities are beyond doubt.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | August 21, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

AMB, all Drudge does is link to other news outlets. The brainless minions were already at the Washington Post site

Posted by: Nepenthe | August 21, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Well, I can tell you that thanks to obama's insistance on abortion, there are 40,000,000 Americans who will never own a home because obama made sure their mothers had the ability to conveniently abort them. How does obama sleep at night!!!

Posted by: Jackson | August 21, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Well Chris, charter member of Chauvins for Obama, you'll do anthing to attack McCain just as you did anything to attack Hillary.

You are so intoxicated on Obama's snake oil that you'll say or do anything to help get him elected.

If all you and Obama have is to attack McCain on his houses, the rest of us now know Obama is on his way down. He has peaked, and now he leaks!

Democrats everywhere! Make sure you elect veto proof majorities to Congress. Obama is tanking and McCain will be president, so we'll need Demo majorities to act as a check on presidential power. McCain and Congress will have to cooperate.

Posted by: William | August 21, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Why didn't Kerry get asked about how many houses he owns last go round? Is prosperity viewed differently when your a republican? How many average Americans can afford to vacation at a private beach? How many average Americans buy a million dollar house below market value? How many average Americans become U.S. Senators? How many average Americans run for President? How many average Americans have ever done even a fraction of what both of these candidates have done? Answer: none. Neither one of these two are average and neither should aspire to be. This is a pointless exercise and shows desperation on BHO's part and lack of focus on JM's part. I don't want someone average in the White House. I want someone who can put average in perspective in a complex world and make judgements based in common sense which is the one quality those of us who are average can understand.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

With all thoses houses...you would think McCain can afford to cut away some of that flabby excess skin on his face.

He and Libermann look like lizzards.

Ewwwwww!

Posted by: Hi, It's Me | August 21, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure this is The Kettle calling the Pot black... or are we not allowed to use that anymore?

http://www.FRedStates.com
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Posted by: FRedStates | August 21, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

This campaign is just starting and if the Liberals had a brain they would realize it is all but over already. While they have precious little to use against John McCain (how many houses does his wife own? And it IS his wife who owns all the homes since their finances have been separate since they married and she inherited the beer dist from her Dad.) Meanwhile there are hours of tape, Obama's own words and those of his religious mentor Rev Wright (God D*mn America), his association with the terrorist William Ayers, his being mentored by a certified Communist as a youth, his "bitter" comment while he was in San Francisco, The statements of Hillary Clinton claiming he "was not ready for the presidency" the clips of Obama HIMSELF (2.5 years ago) saying he was "too inexperienced for the WH and so very much more.

McCain is a known entity, 30 years experience and a war hero to boot. Obamason never even registered for the draft. The libs have and will have nothing on McCain except petty sniping that the left wing is so famous for.

Posted by: jjv | August 21, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

CMS

the Keating five and John mcCain's lifestyle and financial transactions with Charlie boy...are a lot more detrimental and outside the line of ethical even though his court cases said they weren't illegal than anything you all try and throw with Rezko.

and Keating hurt the country...bad...Mccain's best buddy for those years.

this is about a guy who has never seena mortgage payment...WHO doesn't know how many houses they have...

you think that is a guy that has ever had to do a tax form?

ever had to find a way to earn money?

a student loan application?

a bill? other than the ones Black, Scheunneman and the rest swept off the table after dinners before he hired them for his leadership team.

Posted by: dl | August 21, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Hey Comet boy......do you support baby killing like OBAMA does?

Posted by: CRAMOS | August 21, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Please please bring up houses.

Rep. Charles Rangel, also Harvard Law, FOUR primary residences. Count 'em four.

Apparently housing numbers are not just a Republican thing.

Oh yeah, John and Cindy paid for theirs!

Thanks, Obama Dumba***** on Michigan Avenue.

Posted by: Charles Rangels Calculator | August 21, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Matt Drudge is really doing his best to stir up his brainless minions. Thanks for keeping America stupid, Matt!

Posted by: AMB | August 21, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

I think Obama was baited and took it in bringing up real estate.Not a good thing for him to bring up in my opinion. Now Mccain CAN bring up Obamas sweetheart land deals.
Rope a dope!
Brilliant strategy.

Posted by: Dbuggy | August 21, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Good Gawd McCain Apologists - could you for one second think about what you'd say if someone in the press asked Obama how many homes he owned and his answer was I don't know and my staff will help me out.

Grow up - Just admit it - McCain screwed the pooch here and quit trying to change the subject.

Posted by: RobertSeattle | August 21, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Obama does not want to have the argument of who is more in touch with average americans. Most Americans do not think highly of Louis Farrakan, Rev Wright, Rev Flegge and Bill Ayers.
Most Americans have never heard their ministers say God Damn America at church and have them go back for more. Obama may get more than he bargains for if he pushs this stupid thing about houses, especially since he had help from a convicted felon in buying his own.

Posted by: Kentucky | August 21, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Good to see the Obama minions got there text message talking points today. VP pick not text messaged because Obama is still building his data bank of cell phone numbers. Just wait for the phone calls and text messages you get after the VP pick is announced. Obama has spent more then 3 times the amount on this campaign then McCain and look at the poll numbers. Ya'll are going to need to apply for a few more credit cards if the ones you have are at or above their limit.

Run on over to Rolling Stones web site and type in Candidates for Sale in the search. A great article seems Obama is picking up more money from the Hedge Funds, Banks and Real Estate companies then McCain.
So now Obama is talking about the number of homes McCain owns what a laugh when he gets around to issues let us know.
If anything McCain finally smoked Obama out of his hole and Rezko is on the table.

Posted by: jace1 | August 21, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

I love the "outrage" by the liberals and their press over houses. The biggest hypocrit of all is the darling of the media: Al Gore - with his private jets, humongous home, etc. who lectures the rest of us poor slobs about greening. Also, where was the outrage when Mr. "there are two Americas" Edwards built his mega-mansion, and had $400 haircuts? It doesn't matter to me how much money, houses, airplanes, etc. someone has as long as they don't pontifcate on how everyone else should share our wealth. There is an old saying about people like that: "What's mine is mine and what's your's is mine too."

Posted by: Linda | August 21, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Do you think Ted Kennedy, George Soros, or Nancy Pelosi could tell you how many houses they own? I sincerely doubt it. This is really a waste of time (and a losing strategy).

Posted by: Steve | August 21, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Bam
With regards to your charges. Michelle Obama is a hospital Administrator, she is the *director*. the CEO if you will, of a large and imprtnat hospital. She got that job on her own, before Obama entered politics and her pay has been in line with what other hospital adminstartors all over the country receive. As to the raise she received TWO years ago, not last year as reported on the FOX News hit job you are quoting, was actually a bit under 30%. Over the past FIVE years, her pay has nearly doubled...but, then, everyone else in her business has seen their salaries double during the same period.

Now, Rezko. The Obama's bought a piece of property adjacent to their own from Tony Rezko. They paid low market value for that purchase. They reported it. The works. The entire right wing attack on Obama's business dealings with Rezko relies on that purchase (although, some conspiracy theorists also bring up the fact that Obama did FIVE hours of legal work for Mr. Rezko at his law firm). Now, no sane person questions the market value of the land nor the fact that the Obama's paid for it. Your entire slander relies upon a bogus line of argument that the land was worth more than what Obama paid for it.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | August 21, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

While the house house-confusion issue is a political whammy, it was a HUGE mistake for Obama to run with it in an official campaign ad. Why?

Because it gives McCain an opening to fire back on the fact that Obama's Chicago home was purchased with the help of the "Jack Abramoff of Illinois," Tony Rezko. That whole deal was something that Obama only recently put behind him, now he's given the McCain campaign the perfect excuse to dredge it all back up for all Americans to see.

I can see it now, "Senator Obama chides McCain for his home ownership, well what about the fact that his Chicago home came courtesy of the now convicted Tony Rezko, who sold the senator a block of land for less than the actual value of the property?"

It can only get worse from there!

Governor Kaine did the right thing, he made a joke out of it, saying that perhaps McCain can't count that high. That joke will get picked up by the media and recycled a million times. But Obama's ad is going to pay dividends for the McCain Campaign as they bury it under the scandal of Tony Rezko and the dirty politics which plagues the Illinois government to this day.

Senator Obama really is a nice guy. He took an embarrassing situation for Senator McCain and turned it into a gift.

Posted by: David | August 21, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Quoting: "If the desperate Obamessiah wants to go down this road, then so be it. In doing so, he's finally going to bring convicted felon Tony Rezko into the mix"

Nobody cares about that, drop it already and vote for your favorite old man, but don't try to convince anyone born after 1970 to do the same.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

McCain: liar, lazy, crazy or just an idiot?


How many houses do you own?


I don't know.


Running for president and saying that you (McCain) don't know how many houses you own either mean that you are a liar, lazy, crazy or an idiot.


McCain's a liar, of course.


But if McCain's not a liar, then he's running for President and actually can't remember how many homes he owns.


How does one not remember how many homes they have when they own 7 homes? It's not like McCain's a prince and owns dozens of homes around the world.


It's possible that McCain's just lazy and leaves the family investments to Cindy. Not wanting to be bothered with where 13 million of his money is invested.


Or McCain could just be crazy. Maybe McCain's mind is not working on all cylinders? McCain does like to sing about bombing countries and make jokes about killing people with cigarettes.


Maybe McCain's just a senile idiot (this is my guess). He just doesn't know what the hell is going on at all, because McCain can't keep track of things. McCain did say that nothing big has happened since the Cold War ended.


In any case, whether it's lying or laziness or craziness or idiocy...McCain made it clear that if he's elected President that it will be another 4-8 years of Bush, a lying, lazy, crazy idiot running the country.

Posted by: McCain = Elitist in Cheif | August 21, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl, one word for you....morphine. It will help ease the obvious pain you have deep, deep, deep in your soul - it oozes from your pores like a stench so strong I am sure cats follow you around when you are wandering teh alleyways waiting for the library to open so you can use teh computer.

Posted by: Link | August 21, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

This is such nonsense - These are not homes, but investment properties. He probably doesn't pay any attention to them. He rightfully is spending his time running for President and letting someone else take care of the "home"front.

Would these critics rather he spent more time focused on his personal assets than on America? Duh.

Posted by: Chris C | August 21, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

They have to tell you why it matters because it doesn't and they want it to. As much as this is just weak, it sad that the media concocts this because Obama is going down. Time for the Clintons to finish the job.

Posted by: Mark | August 21, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

How many of the American people can say they were tortured in Hanoi for 5 1/2 years? To me thats a little worse than having eat burgers instead of steak or rely on one car instead of two. McCain knows more about hardship and suffering than 95% of the American people can even imagine. Maybe Obama should have married up like McCain instead of marrying way down.

Posted by: Rob | August 21, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

It's stupid for Obama to mention McCain's houses when he had such political problems with his own house (Rezco). This will only hurt Obama. As they say people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

The elitism is that Obama appears aloof and unconnected with ordinary people's concerns (for example his stance on drilling, and the "baby killer" live abortion issue). McCain may be rich but he, and his policies, are much more appealing to the ordinary person. Remember Bush and Kerry? Bush had far more "everyman" appeal. Kerry was destroyed for his elitism (aloofness), not his wealth.

Posted by: Mark | August 21, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA'S HOUSING PROBLEM

Brought To You By Convicted Felon Tony Rezko

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Obama Engaged In Deal With Convicted Felon To Get Deal On House That Had Four Fireplaces And A Wine Cellar:


Obama Paid $300,000 Less Than The Asking Price For His Mansion, While Tony Rezko's Wife Paid Full Price For A Vacant Lot Next Door On The Very Same Day. "Two years ago, Obama bought a mansion on the South Side, in the Kenwood neighborhood, from a doctor. On the same day, [Antoin 'Tony'] Rezko's wife, Rita Rezko, bought the vacant lot next door from the same seller. The doctor had listed the properties for sale together. He sold the house to Obama for $300,000 below the asking price. The doctor got his asking price on the lot from Rezko's wife." (Tim Novak, "Obama And His Rezko Ties," Chicago Sun-Times, 4/23/07)

The Seller Of Obama's Home "Wanted To Sell Both Properties At The Same Time." "On the same day Obama closed on his house, Rezko's wife bought the adjacent empty lot, meeting the condition of the seller who wanted to sell both properties at the same time." (Brian Ross and Rhonda Schwartz, "The Rezko Connection," ABC News' "The Blotter" Blog, abcnews.go.com, 1/10/08)
Obama Later Purchased A Portion Of Rezko's Land For $104,500; It Was Valued At $40,500. "Later, the Obamas bought a 10-foot-by-150-foot piece of the lot for $104,500. An appraisal put the value of the strip at $40,500, a spokesman said, but Obama considered it fair to pay one-sixth of the original price for one-sixth of the lot." (Peter Slevin, "Obama Says He Regrets Land Deal With Fundraiser," The Washington Post, 12/17/06)

Rezko Was Convicted Of Wire And Mail Fraud, Money Laundering, And Aiding And Abetting Bribery. "A federal jury today convicted developer Antoin 'Tony' Rezko of corruption charges for trading on his clout as a top adviser and fundraiser to Gov. Rod Blagojevich. Rezko's guilty verdict on 16 of 24 corruption counts could have broad repercussions for Blagojevich, who made Rezko a central player in his kitchen cabinet. It could also prove a political liability for U.S. Sen. Barack Obama, who once counted Rezko as a friend and fundraiser, as the likely Democratic presidential nominee heads into the general election campaign against Republican John McCain. ... The jury convicted Rezko of wire and mail fraud, money laundering and aiding and abetting bribery. He was acquitted of attempted extortion." (Bob Secter and Jeff Coen, "Rezko Convicted Of Corruption," Chicago Tribune, 6/4/08)

NOTE: The 3 Story House Has Four Fireplaces And A Wine Cellar. "When Obama and his wife, Michelle, a hospital executive, decided to move with their two young girls from their Hyde Park condominium, they chose a spacious three-story Georgian revival home on a tree-lined street in the Kenwood neighborhood, not far from the University of Chicago. The owner had listed the house -- nearly 100 years old, with four fireplaces and a wine cellar -- and an adjacent lot as separate parcels." (Peter Slevin, "Obama Says He Regrets Land Deal With Fundraiser," The Washington Post, 12/17/06)

Obama Provided Political Favors To Tony Rezko, Including Writing Letters On His Behalf:

"As A State Senator, Barack Obama Wrote Letters To City And State Officials Supporting His Political Patron Tony Rezko's Successful Bid To Get More Than $14 Million From Taxpayers To Build Apartments For Senior Citizens." (Tim Novak, "Obama's Letters For Rezko," Chicago Sun-Times, 6/13/07)

The Letters Show That Obama Did Do A Political Favor For Rezko. "Obama's letters, written nearly nine years ago, for the first time show the Democratic presidential hopeful did a political favor for Rezko - a longtime friend, campaign fund-raiser and client of the law firm where Obama worked - who was indicted last fall on federal charges that accuse him of demanding kickbacks from companies seeking state business under Gov. Blagojevich." (Tim Novak, "Obama's Letters For Rezko," Chicago Sun-Times, 6/13/07)

FLASHBACK: In December Of 2006, Obama Said He Had "Never Done Any Favors For Him." "The letters appear to contradict a statement last December from Obama, who told the Chicago Tribune that, in all the years he's known Rezko, 'I've never done any favors for him.'" (Tim Novak, "Obama's Letters For Rezko," Chicago Sun-Times, 6/13/07)
Rezko Offered Obama A Job After Law School And The Two Have Been Friends Ever Since:

Rezko Offered Obama A Job When He Was A Harvard Law Student And The Two Have Stayed In Touch Ever Since. "One of them was Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), who was offered a job by Rezko in the early 1990s while a top student at Harvard Law School. Obama did not take it, but over the years, the two men stayed in touch..." (Peter Slevin, "Obama Says He Regrets Land Deal With Fundraiser," The Washington Post, 12/17/06)

Rezko Was One Of Obama's Biggest Fundraisers, Raising $250,000 For His Campaigns:

Rezko Was "One Of The Biggest Fundraisers" For Obama. "'This was discussed a lot. They wanted to have a good showing,' said a source familiar with the fund-raiser [Rezko held for Obama], speaking on condition of anonymity. 'Tony was one of the biggest fund-raisers.'" (Chris Fusco and Tim Novak, "Rezko Cash Triple What Obama Says," Chicago Sun-Times, 6/18/07)

Obama Has Admitted To $250,000 Worth Of Campaign Funding Provided By Tony Rezko. "For the first time, Sen. Barack Obama put a figure Friday to the amount of campaign contributions that indicted political fund-raiser Tony Rezko raised for the senator's campaigns, and the number -- about $250,000 -- was far more than he previously acknowledged." (Tim Novak, Chris Fusco, Dave McKinney and Carol Marin, "More Rezko Dough Found," Chicago Sun-Times, 3/15/08)
Obama And Rezko's Socializing Included Their Wives And A Trip To Rezko's Lake House:

Obama And Rezko Socialized Over Lunch Or Breakfast And Discussed Politics And Family. Obama: "We'd [Obama and Rezko] continue to have lunches or breakfasts. We'd talk about politics. We'd talk about family." (Sen. Barack Obama, Interview With Chicago Sun-Times, Chicago, IL, 3/15/08)

Obama And Rezko Would Also Socialize With Their Wives Over Dinner. Obama: "In terms of other than lunch or breakfast he and I had, socially, Michelle and I probably had a couple of dinners, or two or three dinners with [Rezko] and his wife during the course of this six or seven or eight years." (Sen. Barack Obama, Interview With Chicago Sun-Times, Chicago, IL, 3/15/08)

The Obamas And Rezkos Took A Trip Together To Rezko's Home At Lake Geneva, WI. Obama: "[Barack And Michelle Obama] Visited their home in Lake Geneva once for the day." (Sen. Barack Obama, Interview With Chicago Sun-Times, Chicago, IL, 3/15/08)

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

It's the alzheimer's fault

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Americans don't want a guy with purple lips for president

Posted by: nopurplelips | August 21, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

If the desperate Obamessiah wants to go down this road, then so be it. In doing so, he's finally going to bring convicted felon Tony Rezko into the mix...and it ain't gonna be pretty. Obviously, McCain's campaign was waiting for just the right opportunity to unleash Rezko onto the American public, and when the Obamessiah has to continually defend his close associstion with this felon who arranged the sale of his house, then he's gonna wish he never opened this can of worms.

Posted by: CMS | August 21, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Boy Chris is SO right about how unnerved the GOP is over this story! Wow. I mean, look here in the comments. There are at least half from obvious trolls who are going from site to site posting the same points (often using the same exact wording) about Obama's Rezko ties, how Obama 'attacking' McCain in this way violates his pledge to be civil (forgetting that McCain already broke his pledge of course), and about the house sizes of various wealthy democrats. They're terrified because they know that this fits PERFECTLY into the underlying stereotype of a republican that Phil Gramm foolishly exposed a few weeks back.

For Obama it's win win all around. He can ride this for a few days until the GOP looks like it might develop an effective answer and then drop the hammer on the whole argument by naming his VP while he's still ahead on points. He's probably going to be able to carry this into the convention and the McCain people are frantic to stop it.

There's blood in the water folks and everyone knows it...it should be a fun few days for us political junkies!

Posted by: Cometboy | August 21, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

I am Barack Obama, and I own a 1.65million dollar home in Hyde Park in Chicago that I got at a discount from a friend.

My opponent has 4 homes. And I include in that count the condo he bought for her daughter in Phoenix and the condo he keeps in Virginia when he's in DC at the Senate. I mean, the rest of us politicians in DC rent out a room at the Red Roof Inn in Chinatown or at the Best Western in South East, who does McCain think he is? Buying a condo for her daughter and buying a condo in the DC area?

Who does he think he is? Marrying a rich woman (I sure wished Michelle was rich too), not that any Democrta has ever done that.

In essence, I might talk down to people who disagree with me or who question my principles or policies, I might be entuned to the price of arugula because the common peon American eats lots of arugula and organic food bought at Whole Foods, but I am 1000% entuned with the fight of the middle class and the suits I buy at Barney's New York . . . what, doesnt every American male get their clothing at Barneys?

I am Barack Obama and I approve this message.

Peace out homies!

Posted by: Barack Obama | August 21, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

debbie please turn off Hannity and read for yourself!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

He (Obama) doesn't sponge off rich friends to stay in huge mansion rent free in hawaii.
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Of course McCain doesn't need to do that, he probably has a home in Hawaii he forgot about.

Posted by: shocked dad | August 21, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Wow!

We're at about 500 posts already.

McCain HQ must be furiously rallying the troops.

Can we hit 1,000?

Might be a FIX record!

Posted by: Doug in NYC | August 21, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

"But if you're like me, and you've got one house,....

Yes, Professor Platitude, you have one mansion.

John Edwards, the last populist, had one $10 million mansion (and some Sweet Deals on his girlfriend and staffers houses, too.)

Yes, we had forgotten about Rezko, the sweetheart deal, and the Chicago School of Innovative Financing.

Thanks for bringing that up.

Next, your bright young things will say McCain married a beautiful rich beer heiress. Yes, he did. Score one my man.

Let's see, the war hero flyboy with a beautiful rich wife and 5 years of torture versus Professor Urkel, the Nubian Nuancer.

Game over.

You're desperate.

Posted by: Obama's Losing It | August 21, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Only matters as an attempt to distract from infanticide and Obama's plunging numbers.....

Thank You OBAMA! for opening the door to Tony Rezco and the rest of lowlife characters who are your friends

Posted by: CRAMOS | August 21, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

i think you and your minions are blackaphobic lamont

You have to be kidding, I never heard that term on Sanford and Son. Are you Fred's son Lamont?

I have two houses. If I had a family member (my brother) like Obama living in a hut for a $1.00/month rent, I would move him into it. The McCain's can own as many houses, condos as they can afford. I am betting like John Kerry, it is his wife that actually has the titles. It is great to see people live the dream and give the rest of us hope that we can aspire to another level. As long as those houses were not sweet heart deals with convicted or charged felons like Obama, I am OK with any number of homes McCain owns. If McCain talked about two America's like John Edwards and failed to mention his 18,000 square foot mega mansion. (Six of my second vacation home.) I would be upset at John McCain. All John talks about is what a great country we have and that he wants everyone to have the same opportunity.

Posted by: hcallaway | August 21, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

TOP 10 WAYS TO TELL YOUR ELITIST NOMINEE IS A CLUELESS WAFFLER

He says he's a "change" candidate who won't take cynical positions for political reasons -- but after primary season, changes position on what "change" means

Announces VP pick on the 3rd night of the convention -- the Republican convention

Claims that stating feelings about a prospective VP is "above my pay grade"

On a campaign swing through Georgia, says he's leaving but then stalls, pretending he's one those cool, friendly Russians

Changes his position from "some limited offshore drilling might be conceivable, given the right conditions and controls" to "some limited offshore drilling might be acceptable, given the right conditions and controls"

Decides that the price of arugula in Whole Foods isn't that expensive after all

Decides that he's not proud of America anymore now that America hates his wife

Changes current debate grudge from "Stephanopolus shanked me over at ABC" to "McCain gamed the Saddleback"

Decides that he now has an opinion as to when a baby acquires human rights: when Barack Obama drops 5 points in the Reuters/Zogby poll

Now that he's dropping in the polls and needs her, when the phone rings at 3 a.m., he rolls over and asks Hillary Clinton to get it

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 21, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Show me where Obama ever thought John Kerry with his many mansions and Theresa Heinz with her billion dollar fortune were too rich and I will concede the point. Do the Democrats refuse money from multibillionire George Soros? Is Ted Kennedy a pauper? I bet some of the houses are investment properties rather than homes McCain actually uses...this was a stupid mistake by Obama, now he is open to questions on HIS house, courtesy of convicted felon Tony Rezko.

Posted by: georgemyers | August 21, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

THANK GOD!

John "babykiller" McCane is going to regret going negative on Obama. "The One" is going to destroy him and not even break a sweat doing it.

Bye Bye McCane.

Posted by: Dexter | August 21, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

The stammering clown without his teleprompter makes 4 mill a year, steals a house along with a vacant lot in a sleezy deal with the assitance of a convicted felon. yeah bring it on LIBS- The Lord Messiah is so desperate and inept he now needs Hitlerary to bail him out since the sheep are leaving the fold. Yeah Wash Post, lets talk about Tony Rezco since your chosen one has brought up the housing issue. Where is the Rezco/Oduma house heist story Wash. Post? Cmon there is no such thing as liberal bias,,,,

Posted by: lefeber- lib = scum | August 21, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

McCain may have missed a house or two in our 55th, 56th and 57th states.....Obama, without affirmative action...a janitor....

Posted by: paul | August 21, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

So now it’s about houses? It’s all so terribly wearisome.

Senator Obama doesn’t know what committee he’s on (check youtube, in his own words), doesn’t know how many states we have (check youtube, in his own words), didn’t hold any hearings of the subcommitte he chairs (check youtube, in his own words).

He’s more in the dark about his own life than anyone else who’s ever run for President, and now he’s grasping at even more straws.

What an amazingly empty set of clothes he is.

Posted by: SickandTired2 | August 21, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

DJS wrote:

"Obama: Raised by a single mom, just recently paid off his student loans. Worked hard to get into the Ivy League. Earned a salary like most Americans, recently became moderately wealthy after authoring two best-selling books. Quite the American Dream.

"McCain: Ditched his first wife for a young, hot heiress worth $100 Million (after daddy got him into the Naval Academy despite lackluster academics), owns at least 7 homes, flies around on his private jet, and kicks around in $520 Italian loafers. Thinks that $5 Million/year in income is the threshold for "rich."

"Yeah, when it comes to elitism, I'd say McCain is the undisputed champion."

I think it is much worse then DJS thinks: Except for the one year when his father-in-law bankrolled McCain. and bought him a house in an open Congressional District, and financed his campaign, McCain always has been on the Government Payroll. Make this 54 years.

I am not surprised he does not know the number of houses: they were bought by his wife's money. This guy has never experienced the "free enterprise" he loves so much, never lived in fear to loose his job and his house, never feared his kids would go hungry.

No wonder he thinks the economy is fine.

Posted by: John Abraham | August 21, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

I am trying to figure out how many brothers, dads, moms and wives (I'm allowed four) I have. Please don't ask me that today. my answer will be the usual um, uh, like, you know, same as always.

Posted by: snObama | August 21, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

McCain = Noun, verb, POW!

Posted by: Chris | August 21, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

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but mccain did sponge off Cjarles Keating when he stayed in the Bahamas.

so yeah ...your comment is way off.

again has Mccain ever seen a mortgage payment...someone should ask him some basic questions about mortgage payments...and tax forms... and healthcare applications...and student loan applications...

how long does it take to pay off the average student loan...or what happens when you ge tit paid off...

what happens when you are late John?

he wouldn't know anyof this...

john what does a low credit score do to yuor ability to handle economic strife?

John how much is the interest rate on your credit cards...do yuo know how to switch them...do you know what the challenges are

John do you know how to refinance?

John do you know how to tell your third kid there is no money to pay for college even though you paid for the first two...

does he know how to tell his mother that she has to go into a worse care facility because she will not be covered anymore?

JOhn mcCain has no idea.

Posted by: dl | August 21, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Obama has fallen so much in the polls the last 10 days no wonder they're in attack mode.

The irony of a guy questioning how many houses someone else owns when Obama couldn't remember how many US states there are. Is it still 57 Barry?

An empty suit by any measure. Unfortunately, McCain isn't much better.

Posted by: Jim | August 21, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

The point is made, he does not know, or did not at the time and being honest, just said he didnt. Stop trying to defend it, or reverse the line of thought. He didnt know, okay, I get it.

What I think makes it look bad is he was the one throwing the pies for teh past week - now suddenly he noticed one of them had a boomerang in it and he is covered in custard. Sharpen your game Johnny, not every qustion you get will be about the surge.

But hey, you were in a POW camp, its no Holiday Inn express, but it does give you experience.

Posted by: Brutus | August 21, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

He's not only out of touch, he's out of his mind!

Posted by: Chief Two Dogs | August 21, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

We know everything there is to know about McCain. We don't know anything about Obama? There's question about his birth certificate. There is a claim that it is a forgery and has his sister's name on it. What connection does Obama have to Rezko? How about the ten million dollars Obama and William Ayers can't account for in Chicago? Where's that money? How about the other 10 million dollars Jeremiah Wright has to spend anyway he wants and his million dollar mansion? What about sitting in a church that preached DAMN America for 20 years? Nobody has explained that one yet. Our enemies preach DAMN America to their own children. What about Obama's brother living in a one room hut with no electricity or running water? I thought Obama looked out for the little guy. Obama doesn't even look out for his own flesh and blood. If the only thing the democrats have on McCain is how many houses he has, McCain will be in the white house come November. Go McCain!

Posted by: debbie | August 21, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

C-average-liberal-arts-no-name-college unemployable losers over at DailyKos beat off to it daily, tho.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 21, 2008 5:05 PM

I have several positions available as community activists. no experience or judgment necessary. could lead to higher positions.

Posted by: snObama | August 21, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

I have an idea. Why don't we get back to issues that matter to the American people.
Like infanticide.
Like taxes.
Like national security.

Posted by: Steve in Illinois | August 21, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Opiate for the Mrs.
When laws are broken, somebody's got to be punished. In the case of Cindy McCain, that somebody is Tom Gosinski
By Amy Silverman, Jeremy Voas
Published on September 08, 1994
You're U.S. Senator John McCain, and you've got a big problem.
Your wife, Cindy, was addicted to prescription painkillers. She stole pills from a medical-aid charity she heads and she used the names of unsuspecting employees to get prescriptions.


Subject(s):
John McCain, Cindy McCainThe public is about to find out about it.
Until now, you've managed to keep it all quiet. When Tom Gosinski, a man your wife fired, sued for wrongful termination and threatened to expose the whole sordid story, you didn't hesitate to call in the big guns.

John Dowd, the attorney who got you out of your Keating Five mess, worked on getting your wife a sweetheart deal with federal prosecutors. He also made Gosinski's lawsuit go away.

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1994-09-08/news/opiate-for-the-mrs/

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

JoanneConti, One of the McCain homes has been featured in Architectural Digest.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

At least McCain knows how many brothers he has.

Posted by: Neil | August 21, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

"ASPERGIRL: You don't love the PLAYSKOOL PRESIDENTIAL SEAL?"

I think it's really cute. It would make a great vanity wall kitsch Obama can stare at after his humiliating defeat this Fall.

He can stare at it when he writes his post-failure reinventing-myself book:

"Dreams of my drunken, one-legged, polygamist father and my codependent mother"

I'm sure all the dim-bulb, groupthink, C-average-liberal-arts-no-name-college unemployable losers over at DailyKos beat off to it daily, tho.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 21, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Keating Five and full disclosure of POW records are now warranted, also, through in a divorce decree, full tax returns Johnny McCain-bush

Posted by: tom in montana | August 21, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

I just read the most recent McCain response where they claim attacking McCain for forgetting how many houses they own is "an attack on Cindy." Waaaaah. McCain is now hiding behind his wife? First he "earns" his money the old fashioned way (by marrying it), and now he's hiding behind his wife's skirts? How . . . effete.

Posted by: Lorita | August 21, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Obama better find a message for the american poeple.Is'he a man who bought a house from a convicted con man foralf the asking price?He jump on small stuffs like these because he basicaly has hing to say.We already know who he is and he has proven it times and times again!empty.

Posted by: african | August 21, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

I love it - when McCain demonstrates a point around these contextualized concepts (an opponent who appears to believe he embodies supernatural powers ("lowering the oceans" or the redeemer-like status of the One "we have been waiting for") or who rides the unquestioning wave of media-enduced celebrity status), it is an ugly, mean-spirited attack.

This first contextualized argument raised by Obama, however, this has real meaning - it isn't just the standard Democratic fallacious appeal to envy.

Bottom line: The properties were acquired primarily through the efforts of his wife and her family. She has a unique and independent existence, separate from McCain, that involves a family that went out in the private sector, took risks and generated value in the marketplace. For that, they were rewarded.

This would be wholly different than the case of his opponent, who acquired his primary house through questionable financing from a convicted felon that is a member of the Daley crime syndicate in Chicago. Oh yeah, and the income of his wife, who as a director of a hospital in Chicago, received a more than 100% raise the year her husband was elected to office. But I'm sure she earned that through her independent efforts also.

Posted by: Bam | August 21, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

What's freaking hilarious is that the RepubliCons come back is a lie. There are no priavte beaches in Hawaii and Obama was shown at the beach and public swimming pools with his kids and at the novie theatre. His grtandmother lives in Hawaii and b/c of medical problems is unable to fly. He went to visit her b/c he hasn't had time since the campaign started, she can't fly, and by the way he use tol ive their. Sounds like good quality family time. The Rezko farce is old news, no wrong doing bu Obama but if tou want to talk about actual wriong doing lets bring up the Keating 5. McCain was censured by the Congress for that little schandal that cost US tax payers a cool $4billion.

Posted by: chris | August 21, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans need to bring out the Obama sound bite from the Primary season in which the Dem's standard-bearer announces that he's visited "all 57 States".

That'll put an end to this. =)

Posted by: The Donald | August 21, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Wow. McCain has seven places where he can yell "Hey kids, get off of my lawn!"

Posted by: slothrop | August 21, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

"I have friends who own homes, condos and apartment buildings and couldn't tell you, on the spot, exactly how many."

Really? And you're voting Republican? I'm shocked. SHOCKED!

Posted by: Doug in NYC | August 21, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

John McCain:
The Manchurian Candidate connection:
McCain was subjected to 5 ½ years of Soviet driven "brain perversion techniques."
Is he fit to be President and Commander in Chief of the military?

U.S. Veteran Dispatch
By Ted Sampley
March, 2008

http://usvetdsp.com/mar08/mccain_manchurian.htm

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

The morons on this board seem to be missing the point of Obama's attack: It's not the fact that he's rich that Obama's attacking, its that he is so out of touch with ordinary people's lives/concerns that he doesn't even KNOW HOW MANY HOUSES HE OWNS. Get it. This, coming on the heels of his statement at Saddlback that he defines "rich" as making over 5 million dollars a year paints McCain as a rich, out-of-touch buffoon. BTW, if $5 million makes you rich, Obama has never been rich in his life.

Posted by: NMModerate1 | August 21, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse


Dwight - "...the most qualified candidate for president is not the most successful business man...". Dwight, I think the point is, John McCain IS NOT a successful business man. He has absolutely no executive experience. He got his money the old fashioned way, he stole a lot of it and married the rest! McCain got his start with the Keating Affair, made millions of that, and made one heck of a lot of his current money from Abramoff! This latter "business deal" cost a lot of people their life savings and a lot more their homes. Compared to McCCain, eithe of them, your homeless guy selling weed off the back of a truck is a saint. But, even that is not the point. McCain is out of touc with ordinary people. He still thinks free trade is a great idea, even though it has cost this country 60 million jobs, sunk the dollar to historic lows, allowed schemes like the mortgage and credit packages to wreck our economy and the economies of our allies, allowed speculators to manipulate the price and avialability of oil, meals, food, pharmaceuticals, and other basic's. The point is, McCain wouldn't just be the same sort of diaster Bush has been, he would be WORSE. You could just about count on a DEPRESSION with all of the accompanying social unrest and human misery.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | August 21, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I don't care how many homes mccain has. He doesn't sponge off rich friends to stay in huge mansion rent free in hawaii. let obama pay his own way, then he can talk. even his books aren't fully accurate and the audacity of hopwe depended on his mentor rev. wright for its titile, He never heard wright say anything negative in 20 years but heard him talk about the audacity of hope? He either heard him or didn't. obviously it was the former & he saw no reason to protest!

Posted by: blr | August 21, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

In the area of PA that I live in, people routinely have a home estimated at a quarter to a half a million....and many have vacation homes. Given the low estimate on the value of Sen. McCains homes, they must be fairly low key. Has anyone estimated the value on Ted Kennedy's or Obama's homes....my guess is that they are way up there. If McCain's homes are all in America, (unlike Kerry;s homes) he is paying property taxes, which fund the NEA, which in turn owns the Democratic Party....ask yourself what good the educators in this Country do...at least big Oil heats my home, lets me commute to work, supplies lots of items in daily use....the teachers union simply take my money, do a lousy job, and cheat children out of what they rightfully deserve, a good education. The harm done by the Dysfunctional school system we are stuck with is worse than any supposed harm by Big Oil. The worst part is that they take money from the the middle class, the poor and elderly, who then have to chose between food, medicine and taxes., which are a huge reason people lose their homes......so the teachers and their union can get more perks to pay off the Democrats. Disgraceful...

Posted by: Joanneconti | August 21, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

There you go!!! Another Obama stugge (reporter) trying to get a dig at Mr MCcain in the back. What do this have to do with how he can lead the nation?

Posted by: GB | August 21, 2008 4:48 PM


The same thing Britney and Paris do. The same thing Rev. Wright does. The same thing the fact that he eats arugala does. The same thing his middle name being Hussein does.

Look, John McCain is running ads saying Obama is going to raise taxes on you, eventhough for 95% of Americans that is not true. John McCain says Barack Obama would rather lose a war and win a campaign which implies to everyone that he is unpatriotic, but then he doesn't have the guts to say that he's saying he's unpatriotic. John McCain wants to make this about this kind of stuff. He got it.

Posted by: Evil | August 21, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

ASPERGIRL: You don't love the PLAYSKOOL PRESIDENTIAL SEAL?

Posted by: Morgo | August 21, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Well, well. Asper Girl returns. I thought you climed back up Mrs. Clinton's porthole to stay? Still no life I see.

Posted by: Asper Girl Go Home | August 21, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Nothing new under the sun. Same old...............

Posted by: Bored | August 21, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Does Obama dare to ask the following wealthy Dem. supporters and members in congress the same question that how many houses they own ? Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg, John Kerry , Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, Jane Harman and Jay Rockefeller.

Posted by: austin b | August 21, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

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FOR THE IDIOTS WHO DON'T READ!! THERE WAS A TRIAL. A REAL TRIAL WITH A JUDGE AND EVERYTHING. THERE WAS NO TIE TO OBAMA AND ILLEGAL ACTIONS NONE! HOWEVER, THE MCCAINS WERE CONNECTED AT THE HIP WITH KEATING!! STOP LYING YOU WILL CONFUSE THE IGNORANT MASSES!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Try to separate the real John McCain from the mythical John McCain.

http://www.usvetdsp.com/jan07/mccain_myth.htm

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

The BO campaign doesn't want to announce the VP because... "The campaign believes the story about McCain's many houses is political gold..." If this is all BO's campaign has it is pathetic. I guess they're running out of steam and thought they'd have this all tied up by now. LOL! I have enjoyed this race so much. I cannot wait until the Democratic convention for the Clinton supporters to be unleashed! I want to see the wind knocked out of BO.

Posted by: ylem | August 21, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Easy, Rich from Parkland, no reason to take your three homes elsewhere. No one should make you feel bad for being successful.

It's not about rich people. It's about people who are so rich they don't know how many houses they own referring to other people as "elitist." It's really not that complicated a concept.

If you run up a $50,000 per month credit card bill like the McCains have, good for you. But don't be a hypocrite about it by calling someone else an elitist. No one can force you to change out of those $500 shoes, but don't make yourself look like a phony by calling someone else an elitist.

See how this works?

Posted by: LESD
**************************
Why do we have to work so hard to find such a gem in a sea of Aspertwit inspired stupidity. Great post LESD!

Posted by: 2008 | August 21, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

How many houses do I have? finally a question I CAN answer. Just don't ask me any details about the purchase please. the number is a major campaign issue for me, something that shows the depth of my experience. the details are simply a distraction from these important issues.

Posted by: snObama | August 21, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

This wreaks of desperation on the part of the Obama campaign.
No wonder the DNC is getting nervous about their choice.
Obama should be up by 15-20% by now.
I'm sure Mr. O will lose by double digits in November.

Posted by: Steve in Illinois | August 21, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

The lisping comment is a sign of how far hatred of the "other" has been spread as a norm in our ONCE great country.

We need to drive back the neo-facists.

Posted by: RJP3 | August 21, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

DL: FDR and JFK didn't work for their money. Tell us how much you hate John Kennedy. Tell us why FDR was a frigging rich creep.

Waiting.

Posted by: Morgo | August 21, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

TOP 10 WAYS TO TELL YOUR ELITIST NOMINEE HAS NARCISSISTIC PERSONALITY DISORDER

Campaign bio is his "historical fiction" autobiography with "composite characters"

Repaints campaign airplane with "Air France One"

Affixes his presidential-seal-looking campaign seal to gate outside the home his indicted corruption-trial friend helped him buy

Summer strategizing and positioning is about whether to allow convention delegates to actually vote

Decides that he's no longer "proud of America", now that America hates his wife

Though his debate score is 0-in-23, it's because, in each case, his loss was due to some cheating or rigging by rival

Convention night "fist bump" knocks the other "historic candidate" off the stage

Some convention concessions labelled "Typical White Food" sell beer and hot dogs instead of wine and crudites

Picks his wife as VP because Obama-Obama sounds twice as good

Immediately after nomination starts work on his "historical fiction" presidential memoir with "composite characters"

-- AsperGirl

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 21, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Is Grumps McCain insensitive to the plight of those of us who used to think we were in the middle class, or is he simply unaware?

Posted by: Old white guy | August 21, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Let's see, since Obama flamed out at Saddleback last Sat, his supporters have tried several unusually stupid gambits:

-"cone of silence" gate: blew up in their faces, when Rick Warren noted that *both* Obama and McCain were prepped beforehand;

-"Solzhenitsyn" gate: blew up in their faces when a Solzhenitsyn scholar said that the cross story didn't exist in any of his books. And I thought Obama supporters prided themselves on literacy versus "low information" voters, hello??

-"7 homes" gate: will blow up in their faces, as this is capitalist America, my friends, where the Achilles heel in politics is *elitism*, not personal wealth. On that count alone, Obama loses by a landslide.

Try again, sweeties...

Posted by: jt | August 21, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

To Komrade MaoBama, anyone not wearing a Mao suit and extolling the virtue of the Red Book is a counter-revolutionary elitist Capitalist swine.

Long Live Mao Tse DUNG!

Posted by: bye bamao | August 21, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

this is to mark who commented on McCain's collecting social security and a military pension...and wants to collect a presidential pension... mark you are a pinhead.. and a whiny bedwetting liberal.. you would be calling for mommy if you had to go through what McCain went through in Vietnam.. the man earned every penny... As compared to Obama neither of you could carry McCain's water...

Posted by: Steve | August 21, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Betrayal, deceit, corruption and John McCain

http://www.usvetdsp.com/nov07/mccain_deceit.htm

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Easy, Rich from Parkland, no reason to take your three homes elsewhere. No one should make you feel bad for being successful.

It's not about rich people. It's about people who are so rich they don't know how many houses they own referring to other people as "elitist." It's really not that complicated a concept.

If you run up a $50,000 per month credit card bill like the McCains have, good for you. But don't be a hypocrite about it by calling someone else an elitist. No one can force you to change out of those $500 shoes, but don't make yourself look like a phony by calling someone else an elitist.

See how this works?

Posted by: LESD | August 21, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

More than how many homes McCain has... the question is.. Why dont they pay their property taxes?

Posted by: maximillian | August 21, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

McCain should offer one of his houses to Obamas brother ;)

Posted by: Bab | August 21, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

And cue the violins as McCain campaign try to invoke the 40 year old POW story to explain his answer. Predictable...

Posted by: 2008 | August 21, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

The people supporting the NEO-FASCIST REPUBLICAN PARTY of 2008 are NEO-FASCIST ... and they must be driven back just like they had to be driven back in Italy, Spain and Germany.

They are thug humans who misuse Religion and Difference for their own quest for people (politicians) who will tell them that their evil hatred of the "others" is a good thing.

America in 2008 only has one choice -- to reject the neo-fascist 2008 Republican Party.

The lowest of the low and slime come to Washington with a Republican President.

We know that now after 8 years.

SAY NO TO FASCISM --- respect the boys that died to fight it's march in Europe. Honor them by voting OBAMA.

Does this sound familiar?
It should it is the system Bush has promoted for 8 years. It is what Jindal promotes. It is what McCain will be PAID to continue.

Fascism is an authoritarian nationalist political ideology and mass movement that is concerned with notions of cultural decline or decadence, and which seeks to achieve a national rebirth by exalting the nation and/or religion, as well as promoting cults of unity, strength and purity.

Various scholars attribute different characteristics to fascism, but the following elements are usually seen as its integral parts include: nationalism, corporatism, militarism,
authoritarianism, populism.

In addition, Fascism opposes conservatism, liberalism.

Fascism has been seen by some as a reactionary force against the rising power of liberty and liberalism that was ignited by the French Revolution. Fascism is allied with and aids conservatives in regaining power.

VOTE OBAMA 2008
HONOR THE BOYS WHO FOUGHT THE FASCIST IN EUROPE


Posted by: RJP3 | August 21, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Not Playing - the guy you vote for is certainly going to make a big difference for you and our country. Good luck.

Posted by: bigwoofer | August 21, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

wasn't it just a couple of days ago that barack was warning us that the republicans would supposedly be bringing up diversions to avoid the 'real issues' ? now he's willing to delay his vp choice to carp about how much real estate the mccains own ?? what a double-talking phony!

Posted by: cholewa | August 21, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I bet you couldn't buy one house of John Kerry's for the price of all of Cindy McCains houses.

Posted by: Geoff in Austin | August 21, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

To the person who asked "what is worse, not knowing how many houses you own or thinking that there are 57 states in the union?":

I think that not knowing how many houses you own means that you're rich and not particularly attentive to what you have (out of touch with your property).

I think that not knowing how many states there are in the Union shows that you are out of touch with America.

Let the slapfight begin...!

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 21, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I have friends who own homes, condos and apartment buildings and couldn't tell you, on the spot, exactly how many. That doesn't make them a liar or it doesn't suggest that they are trying to hide something. And since when does being rich and owning multiple dwellings make you unworthy to be President? Just another b.s. attempt by BO to smear McCain.

Posted by: dianeremarx | August 21, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

FROM TWO FORMER GOP CONGRESSMEN TO U.S. COMBAT FORCES WORLDWIDE:

MCCAIN IS UNFIT TO SERVE AS YOUR COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF

Former Congressmen Warn Troops: As Senator He Abandoned American POWs Trapped in Indochina; as President He'll Abandon You

http://www.usvetdsp.com/aug08/mccain_unfit.htm

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

this is all the Obama camp and the media got? really!?! this is it? the Obama camp loves to talk about distractions from real issues. isn't this a distraction from foreign affairs, Obama's abortion record, domestic policy?

if McCain didn't pay his mortgage, then it would matter. pulllease.

Posted by: dave | August 21, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

More distortion from the Obama crowd. Some of the "seven" houses they are claiming are in Cindy McCain's estate, so it's not clear they should all be considered John McCain's houses. For example, how much campaign cash does Obama get from Antoin Rezko's rental properties? Is Obama going to answer that? Perhaps we should just call Obama corrupt, or "senile."

Posted by: ttj | August 21, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I don't have a horse in this race, but it is quite obvious Obama is not ready for the presidency. Maybe in 4 years, but not now.

Posted by: Bill | August 21, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Yes, the home debate does matter.

John McCain does own 7 homes and Tony Rezko didn't help John McCain by any of those homes.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Amen Joe!!! Hippocrates! It's like they have completely lost it!! Memory is wiped clean and nothing matters not even the truth! Rezko??

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Score anotherone for the American Press they always focus on the trash and avoid substance at any cost.

Cheers

H. Evers

Posted by: H. Evers | August 21, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I knew it wouldn't take long for the Wingnuts to crank up their noise/propaganda machine again today in defense of John McMansion's, it's all they have left.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW4msHu_9EQ&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/21/153513/551/63
.

Posted by: GOP = Fascists | August 21, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Rich Parklan FL

sorry not to be a troll but this issue is important...

it is awesome that you and your wife worked so hard to own three homes...it is not about that...

it is about YOU worked HARD to get those # homes...whose mortgage payments you probably stress over daily.

Mccain can not be applied to a single part of that sentence i just said about you and your wife.

THAT is the point.

Posted by: dl | August 21, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Special to the U.S. Veteran Dispatch
By former U.S. Congressmen Bill Hendon (R-NC)
and John LeBoutillier (R-NY)
August 16, 2008

********************************

Neither former Congressmen served in the military. They are wannabes with no credibility on McCain's qualifications as CIC.

Posted by: Rick | August 21, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I don't see the problem. The McCains pay their taxes and donate a large portion of income to charity. I have two houses and hopefully in thirty years (when I'm John's age) I'll have 5 more. And, I doubt many of us could tell anyone what companies we are invested in through 401Ks, pensions, etc. I'm sure if the anti-McCains looked, most would discover that the evil gas & oil companies they are invested in have done well in generating wealth for their retirements.

Posted by: Pete | August 21, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Communist Party aparachiks can not own property. Obamao's house is owned by the Party.

Posted by: MaoBama | August 21, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

This whole story is a non-story unless Obama wants to talk about why he got a house from a crook, Tony Rezko. Even when BHO purchased this home, Rezko was under investigation. If Obama is that stupid to not know anything about the person he got the home from, how can he be trusted to lead this nation?
Cindy McCain is the money maker in the McCain household and she is the one with the properties. So, this "how many houses do you have" question is a non-story for McCain.

Posted by: Ken H. | August 21, 2008 4:38 PM

Someone who doesn't know the facts may not want to call someone else stupid. Obama did not buy a home from Rezko.

Posted by: Evil | August 21, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Obama, may I aspire to own more than one house under your regime? Or should I listen to your wife Amarosa and instead subordinate my aspirations for the common good?

Posted by: John Galt | August 21, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

There you go!!! Another Obama stugge (reporter) trying to get a dig at Mr MCcain in the back. What do this have to do with how he can lead the nation?

Posted by: GB | August 21, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I am speaking at the Democrat Convention! I have two kewl homes! I live in the one that's not in my district so I can save on the taxes I am so proud of sticking you with as Mr. Liberal! Hear my speech! Find out about my homes! Barack thinks I'm the shizznitt!

Posted by: Congressman Robert Wexler | August 21, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

As a fellow Arizonan I can tell you how many houses the guy has. Two. One in Phoenix and one in Prescott. His wife owned a house on Central Avenue but had to sell it because of all the weirdos who started hopping the fence. I can't begin to tell you what a regular guy McCain is and what a regular family the McCains are. On Sunday mornings he would stand in line at the local grocery store (south of the house Cindy had to sell because of all the weirdos) with the rest of us for a cup of coffee with, a copy of the NY Times tucked under his arm. Dressed in a worn out pair of Levis, an old shirt and grubbed out loafers, he chatted with the rest of us. No fanfair, no aura of "Look at me". He was just glad to be there in line with the rest of us and be normal. The democrats are really scrapping the bottom of the barrel trying to make McCain out to be an elitist. What a joke. If he said he doesn't know how many houses he has it's probably because he thought it was a stupid question and wanted to get on to something important, like the Russians attempt to seize Georgia and thus control the oil pipeline....I really don't think John McCain knows what arugula is (unlike Obama)or cares either. For that you'd have to ask Obama and his minions of Lexus liberals. You know, the guys with multiple houses, multiple SUV's, multiple girlfriends....the guys who point the finger at everyone else but themselves.

Posted by: AnneD. | August 21, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I own three houses. Big deal. At least I don't go for killing babies that survive an abortion. Yikes!

Posted by: BelenGadfly | August 21, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

"Obama was raised by a single mother." Not really. He lived mostly in the home of his grandparents, his "typical white person" grandmother did the most raising. He spent some time in Indonesia with his mother and step-father, then he went back to Hawaii to live even longer with his grandparents, solo.

Posted by: Tracy | August 21, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Dion asks: "If you ended up married to a multimillionaire heiress, would you make her sell all she had and give it to the poor?"

Hey Dion, what do you mean by "ended up married to a multimillionaire heiress?" He didn't suddenly wake up married to her one morning. He dumped his first wife for her, and he knew exactly what he was marrying his way into.

Sorry, I think it's a little strange that the guy can't remember how many houses he owns... while he's out there calling the other guy an elitist.

People who live in 11 glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Posted by: LESD | August 21, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Dwight again

if Mccain earned this money it owuld be one thing...

and it is not so much about the size of the money but the lackadaisical answer...or non answer about something so huge financially speaks to his understanding and awareness of everyday financial matters ...

it would be one thing if this came out of his own financial challenges...

but he has never had those...

ever.

Posted by: dl | August 21, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

So, it is a crime to be sucessful in America. I work two jobs, my wife works one and we have three homes. Are these my rewards for living the American dream? You bet! For those who enjoy sitting on their hands and waiting for the redistribution of my wealth, drop dead! Stop punishing the Americans who are sucessful, or we'll take our wealth elsewhere.

Posted by: Rich, Parkland, Florida | August 21, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

mike u r not an indy u r an obama supprter..when u own many properties as investments and are being boughjt and sold....anyone ever think mcain wanted to tell the truth

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

For those of you who feel you have to bring up Obama's brother, did you read the article today on Cindy McCain's half sisters? You know, the ones who were left out of the inheritance while Cindy got everything. I think we will be hearing a lot more from them. There is something fishy when a mega-millionaire leaves his money to only one child while he admitted the existence of the others and even partially supported them. This needs looking into.

Posted by: christimarie | August 21, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

McCain should tell how many HOUSES he owns.

Obama should tell how many TELEPROMPTERS his campaign owns.

Posted by: Sparky | August 21, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

What??!??!?! The One is descending from his lofty perch and using the same negative tactics as every other politician in history? It's difficult to see how anyone can take this guy seriously, when he reverses his stance on every single issue.

And, isn't interesting that the name of this column is 'The Fix'. WaPo and the rest of the mainstream media have had the fix in for Oblamalamadingdong from the get go.

Posted by: Royalsan | August 21, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Once again all these comments point to is the polarization of the debate. You folks are all a bunch of 2-party sheep baaa-ing for your favorite player; red vs. blue. Get real, grow brains, start thinking critically. This ship is SINKING and if we keep voting for these status quo yo-yos it is going to go under for good. Vote anybody but Obama or McCain. Anybody would be better than these corporate clowns.

Posted by: Not Playing their Game | August 21, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

my yellow running dog lackies of the press. thanks for taking the spotlight off my ineptitude and sinking poll numbers. I was so down after completely flubbing that interview last week with all my non-answers and ums and uhs. I thought you press people would cover for me until after the election. Most of you are but if the truth keeps leaking out, I am a goner.

Please stick with McCains shoes and other important issues that I can handle. not the war, abortion, economics and all that other fluff.

Posted by: snObama | August 21, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Uhhh. My husband has no real idea what I buy and sell. He's really busy and leaves that stuff up to me. We don't have multiple houses but I have powers of attorney, etc.

Posted by: Typical White Person | August 21, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Bob, you're an idiot. The question was "how many houses do you and your wife own?" The answer to that question, if posed to anyone who's not head and shoulders above the vast majority of the American electorate, would not require any confirmation from staff members. The tax distinctions you are referring to deal with homestead and other tax issues, but the question was simply how many do they OWN. Whether their kids, housekeepers, cooks, or even their pets live there is irrelevant.

There's nothing wrong with being rich. I, like most Americans, aspire to be rich as well. The problem is when you are wildly wealthy and far beyond the financial abilities of your opponent, take political positions directly averse to the best interests of the "regular folks" you purport to be one of, and then accuse your single-mother raised, student loan and merit scholarship education-based, community organizer opponent whose positions are consistent with benefiting the "regular folks" of being elitist and out of touch.

Didn't hear you guys complaining about how it was unfair to bring up John and Teresa Heinz Kerry's spending habits four years ago. Hell, you people didnt even have a problem with questioning the military record of a combat wounded veteran on behalf of a draft-dodging, spoiled momma's boy who's parents political, social, and business connections are solely responsible for anything he's ever gotten.

Hypocrites.

Posted by: Joe | August 21, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

el polacko

I beg to differ

Joe Biden has A home in Delaware and he commutes home on the train almost every night he works in Washington

so no...

the question is not about how many homes necessarily...

but the fact that he has so many homes (no financial worries) and it is proven by the fact that he does not know exactly how much property he actually owns... or his wife owns or his father in law whatever...

but do you think he has EVER seen a mortgage payment?

or a student loan application?

or a tax form?

or a bill? besides the ones that Charlie Black , Randy Scheunneman and his team use to grab off the table before they became part of his leadership

Posted by: dl | August 21, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

So...

Following this line of logic, the most qualified candidate for president is not the most successful business man, but rather the homeless guy selling weed out of the abandoned trailer behind the town dump.

Who knew?

What a vindictive, small-minded, selfish bunch of people we are to villify capitalist success while at the same time striving to be rich ourselves. Geez.

Posted by: Dwight | August 21, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

BHO: Boo Hoo Obama. Americans don't gobble up sour grapes.

Posted by: Jacko | August 21, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Yes, the home debate matters - especially with Obama's deal with Tony Rezko - The same Rezko who will be sentenced in federal court in September.

Posted by: martin dijkema | August 21, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Yeah,bring ot on Obama Sin Laden,youre a dumb Knee grow

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

This just tells me McCain really doesn't care about wealth much.

Obama is a strategic imbecile.

Posted by: Morgo | August 21, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I guess the McCain camp missed the part where Rezko was already convicted, and oh yeah, Obama was brought up ONCE...on the first day of the trial as someone who knew Rezko, but DID NOT have any illegal dealings with him....does Johnny boy really want to start talking about Keating 5 again?

Posted by: Bethany | August 21, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

McCain claims Obama is an elitist but the fact is John McCain is both an elitist and a hypocrite. McCain claims Obama is out of touch with average Americans but it is McCain who is out of touch, he has so many homes he doesn't even know how many he has, he claims a person is wealthy only when they have $5 million or more. John McCain is an elitist but his supporters are in denial because John McCain is everything they claimed John Kerry to be.

Wake up John McCain is a fake! If you don't like Obama fine, if you want to vote for a real conservative then vote for Bob Barr but don't pretend McCain is something he isn't. He isn't a conservative and he isn't like the average American he is a wealthy elitist.

Posted by: Scott | August 21, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

We focus too often on what divides the two candidates. Let's focus on what unites them.

For example, neither of them has any idea how many houses John McCain actually owns.

Or why he needs so many houses.

Or why he thinks someone earning $4 million per year is part of the middle class.

Or what his chief economic advisor was thinking when he called America a "nation of whiners" and insisted that economic stresses were all in our heads.

See, Obama and McCain have plenty in common.

Posted by: LESD | August 21, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter. Obama will lose if he tries to sell Pessimism and misery. It's why Democrats have lost ever since Liberalism wrenched leadership from conservatives in the party.

Posted by: Holman | August 21, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Wow..I'm an independent, haven'