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Assessing the Fallout: Obama and 'Bitter' Pa. Voters

Barack Obama's presidential campaign continued its damage control effort Saturday afternoon, arranging a conference call for reporters to try to tamp down the uproar over the candidate's off-the-cuff remarks about working-class voters.

"I don't think I would use the same words that he used," said Richard Gray, the mayor of Lancaster and one of three Obama backers from the Keystone State on the call. Instead, Gray suggested he would have highlighted the anger felt by many residents living in small communities around the country. "There is a level of anger that is just seething there," Gray said.

Obama campaign chief strategist David Axelrod sought to put Obama's remarks in context -- dismissing them as a verbal gaffe and not an expression of the candidate's commmitment to fighting for working people.

"Did he choose his words poorly? Yes," said Axelrod, although he dodged a question about whether Obama would apologize for his comments. "He has made it very clear that he regrets the remarks," said Axelrod.

Obama's senior strategist quickly pivoted to attack Hillary Rodham Clinton for trying to turn the Obama remarks into a political issue. "Senator Clinton pounced on this first thing in the morning predictably," said Axelrod, adding that Clinton's comments were in keeping with a "rewriting of history that has become emblematic of this campaign."

Meanwhile, the Clinton campaign (as well as the Republican National Committee and John McCain) is still pouring it on. Sen. Evan Bayh (D-Ind.), a leading Clinton backer, said that Obama's comments should be seriously considered by undecided superdelegates. "I think it's a real potential political problem and it's something for superdelegates and voters to think about," Bayh said, according to a report by CNN.

From Earlier Today:

This morning in Muncie, Indiana, Obama addressed the firestorm caused by his comments about working class Pennsylvania voters being "bitter" about their economic lot, and thus understandably nativistic in their outlook on everything from God to guns to immigrants.

The key line from this morning: "I didn't say it as well as I should have..."

Here's the full clip of Obama's remarks -- as provided to reporters by his campaign:

Hillary Rodham Clinton, during an appearance in Indianapolis this morning, did her part to pour lighter fluid on the growing firestorm.

Noting that she was a child of the Midwest and the "granddaughter of a factory worker," Clinton said: "Now, like some of you may have been, I was taken aback by the demeaning remarks Senator Obama made about people in small town America. Senator Obama's remarks are elitist and they are out of touch. They are not reflective of the values and beliefs of Americans. Certainly not the Americans that I know -- not the Americans I grew up with, not the Americans I lived with in Arkansas or represent in New York."

That prompted this response from the Obama campaign: "We won't be lectured on being out of touch by Senator Clinton, who believes lobbyists represent real people and is awash in their money and who can't tell a straight story about her lengthy record of supporting trade deals like NAFTA and China that have devastated communities in Pennsylvania and Indiana," said spokesman Hari Sevugan. "She won't change the broken Washington system that all too often leaves American workers behind, but Barack Obama will."

The Consultants' Take

The uproar over Obama's comments about Pennsylvania voters prompted The Fix to seek out a few consultants from both parties to assess the damage.

Republicans, not surprisingly, sought to draw a comparison between Obama's comment and Sen.John Kerry's (Mass.) infamous "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it" remark about Iraq war funding -- a verbal gaffe that played no small part in his defeat at the hands of George W. Bush in 2004.

Democratic consultants were more divided. Some admitted the potential political peril in Obama's remarks; others said it was much ado about nothing.

A sampling of what operatives of both parties had to say is below.

Joe Trippi, Democratic consultant/former adviser to John Edwards's campaign: "The fight in Pennsylvania is over working people. It should not surprise anyone that Obama is speaking to their frustrations, or that Clinton is branding Obama an elitist. Obama crossed the line to touch the two issues -- guns and religion -- that most politicians try hard to avoid, but that is part of his appeal and he quickly moved to explain his words. It's unlikely to stop his march to the nomination. It is more likely that the Clinton campaign did itself more damage by crossing the line and insinuating once again that Obama was somehow un-American."

Dan Hazelwood, Republican direct mail consultant: "This quote adds to the polarization. It tells a whole bunch of people that Obama is not going to represent them. Also, his snide attempts to hit McCain on this undercut that Obama is something new on the political scene. Obama is well on his way to becoming just another politician in peoples' minds."

Ron Bonjean, Republican consultant (and former adviser to Sen. Trent Lott): "With situations like these, you can't put the genie back in the bottle and put a spin on the comments that were made. This now has a life of its own, and every time Obama comments to try and explain away his comments, he will keep giving it momentum. Senator Obama has just lost next week to this storm and his campaign will have to put on the Kevlar to weather the reaction."

Barbara Comstock, former adviser to presidential campaign of Mitt Romney: "Obama accurately summarized the liberal elitist worldview that he, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean and the vast majority of Democrats today hold, which puts its faith in government and is derisive of those who instead put their faith in God, church, liberty and individual rights. ... Liberal elites like the Obamas and the Clintons are always trying to save us -- the great unwashed masses -- from ourselves. God save us from these would be Messiahs who think they know better how to run our lives and spend our money than we do."

Glen Bolger, Republican pollster: "It's never helpful to be dismissive of whole chunks of America -- rural religious voters, gun supporters, and the entire 'flyover' country. Obama has become part of the Kerry wing of the Democratic Party -- the beautiful people who know what's best for the rest of us. That's not been a formula for success in campaigns or governing. Bill Clinton was there for the first two years of his presidency -- and noticed that it may please the establishment, but not the people."

Carter Eskew, Democratic media consultant: "It will be a problem because it reinforces an image of aloofness and elitism. It's a verbal gutter ball--reinforcing the visual one. I say 'may,' because the first half of the quote has merit and Obama might be able to--as he did with Wright--take it to another place with at least some success."

(Eskew also relates a story from the 1988 presidential campaign when a Republican media consultant, concerned that Vice President Bush was regarded as an elitist, scheduled a television shoot at a diner in New Hampshire to show Bush's ability to rub elbows with the common man. "It was going well until the man behind the counter asked Bush if he'd need some more coffee," said Eskew. "'Just a splash...' said the VP.")

John Anzalone, Democratic pollster: "I grew up in a blue collar environment. 'Bitter' was a more-than-appropriate description of blue collar families, especially middle-aged men who were living the American dream and content on their union wages in manufacturing who then faced a hopeless future. ... I think this whole line of attack by Clinton and McCain is [BS] and contrived. What do they know about economic anxiety. You think families in the Rustbelt care about the nuance of an adjective when they are hurting?"

I'll be updating this piece today as more reactions flow in. Stay tuned.

By Chris Cillizza  |  April 12, 2008; 3:38 PM ET
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR OPPOSING (FREEZING) the Fee Trade Agreement FTA.
FROM LEFT DEMOCRAT UNIONS IN COLOMBIA
As all democrat USA workers and you have rightly sensed Ms. Pelosi, the infamous Colombian "Free Trade Agreement" could be the only impediment to avoid our ideal and idyllic and central proletarian-workers controlled future in our country. The actual very real reason why we the Colombian and American Chavistic democrat unions oppose the FTA is not "the killings of 2.700 unionists in 20 years in Colombia" as this FTA what really affects is not the lowest and unfortunately decreasing number ever organized unions of ours, but 44 million living Colombian citizens.
As Ms Pelosi and democrat unions in America do, THE TRUTH instead is that in all honesty, we really deeply hate all three words: WE HATE FREE as it means that our next future democrat socialistic leader, alter ego of our future Gran Colombian unions unifier President Hugo Chavez will not be able to nationalize, control and direct the economy in favor of our people and against the "free" capitalistic entrepreneurs that pretend to "freely" exploit and "trade" our labor to export "agreed" goods to the Yankees. WE HATE TRADE as it corrupts the mind of our people into capitalistic consumist behaviors of American goods, and WE HATE AGREEMENT because it is the betrayal to all our goals, on behalf of our actual unconditional 110% pro American ally (puppet-server) president Uribe in "agreement" with your evil-republican president Bush.
Therefore, ANY REAL OR MADE UP EXCUSE you Ms Pelosi and USA democrat workers use to please oppose the FTA with Colombia is valid and supports greatly our ideals. Within our context, a leftist revolutionary war now 50 years old, per each 100.000 inhabitants in Colombia only 4 union workers are killed whereas 33 common civilians and 86 policemen die out of our internal revolutionary war. So, although the "2.700 unionists killed in 20 years" have never ever in the history of Colombia been so LOW like now, from 213 in 2001 before Uribe to 26 during this 100% PRO BUSH YANKEE REPUBLICAN URIBE government, and URIBE HIM SELF has made all our own victorious revolutionary terrorism-born paramilitary to demobilize, unarm and in jail, including 30 and more congressmen for the very first time in our 50 revolutionary years, this small fact can easily be media-ticaly ignored, in exactly the way American democrat workers and you Ms Pelosi are doing.
Fortunately, our Army of the People, the glorious FARC has killed and kidnapped (2.000 per year including 3 "free trader"-supporter Americans now for 6 years) and so many more hundred of thousands of civilians and "free trade" entrepreneurs and capitalistic exporters and democratic politicians. In the name of our glorious revolution we proudly count 649 kids and 6.043 adults amputated and killed just by our land mines, so that just this is well over so many more than any "killed of our union workers" in our leftist revolutionary history. So far this proportion is really very satisfactory to us. Any how, for sure our and your strength Ms Pelosi is that one union worker killing is so much more valid and noisy that 44 million "free traders" or hundreds of civilians kidnapped some now for more than ten years, you just can easily inveRt this minor truth for the purpose of disproving that evil republican unfair and forced FTA.
Actually for us workers in Colombia, like in VENEZUELA, our real goal is to diminish and eliminate all private entrepreneurial capitalistic exploitation of man by man. Its our socialistic revolutionary fight against those who "free"ly export and "trade" our labor and raw materials. Our goal is to concentrate all the economy in the hands of a good centralized social liberal democrat workers-only government parallel to that of Hugo Chavez the great democrat-workers-unions-unifier of the world. The revolution source in Venezuela is the oil that the American people suck and pays for, and in Colombia it will be the cocaine that our revolutionary Army of the People FARC protects, control and export and trade for huge revenues to arm and feed our people against any "free" what ever "trade" exporters. Yes Senator Pelosi you are SO right, we do not need any help or "trade" exports nor any "free" industry-entrepreneurs to export any other goods to any other country or market, less so we need yours, and we thank democrat party for opposing them by opposing this FTA.
Peoples approval of our actual capitalistic "democratic" president Uribe by 83% of our 83% politically wrong people is also a factual proof of the above, but don't worry. This never before seen 83% approval after 6 years in power, does not relate to us, the actual REAL FREEDOM fighters killers and kidnapers revolutionaries proud to be and do, democrat unions that oppose Bush consumistic, capitalistic and "free trade" entrepreneurial non governmental controlled FTA.
Opening you markets to our exporters exploitative "free trade" entrepreneurs can be the very worst thing you can do for our democrat ideals CHAVISTIC Unified Latin democrat Unions for centralized economy and social socialistic revolutionary justice. Please do NOT allow that evil president of yours to approve the FTA with our country and against our people and our real goals and ideals. We deeply thank you Ms Pelosi and American democrat worker-union-voters in advance for all your efforts in this regard. The less FTA you give Colombia, the bigger our revolutionary Army of the People FARC will do in agreement with our glorious Gran Colombian democrat workers-union unifier: HUGO CHAVEZ FRIAS.
PS. Admired and respected Ms. Pelosi, we also know you will please certainly succeed in eliminating all the moneys given to the "Plan Colombia" that is so badly hurting our revolutionary forces, and will please abandon as well Irak (come on, WWI and WWII "freedom American heroes" ended also cowardly during and after our glorious revolutionary victory and your humiliated defeat in Vietnam). Your continued support to our socialistic workers unions armed nationalistic anti-global revolution and independence is more than greatly appreciated by our undisputed leader of Latin America HUGO CHAVEZ, in the name of all XXI century socialistic revolution in the world.
THANK YOU ALL DEMOCRAT AMERICA!!!!
COLOMBIAN FREEDOM FIGHTERS

Posted by: Neo Retroprotectionism | April 16, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Chris - you are so 'in the tank' for Obama!!! And you call yourself a journalist?!?

Posted by: John | April 15, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: votenic | April 15, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Before sounding off in a vehicle like this, people need to go back and read the full text of Obama's "offending" remarks. Anyone with an ounce of brain-matter would see that they are far from being condescending or patronizing or critical, they are empathetic, sympathetic, and an astute interpretation of what he had been witnessing not only in Pa. but accross the nation, in the face of the Bush disaster, and the acquiesence of the old politics to the sad state of the world/

Posted by: Bobby O | April 15, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Wow! If HRC is given a pass for mispeaking (3 times) an event that happened to her, why are we being so hard on Obama for a possibly bad choice of words. I am sure he was not speaking down on anyone, but showing empathy and understanding instead.
Don't we all get tied up with words sometimes, especially when we are passonate about the subject.
Imagine HRC telling people who are feeling pain that in fact it is not pain they are feeling...and maybe she is so convincing, that they may actually be doubting that they are paining..

Posted by: Sard | April 15, 2008 1:08 AM | Report abuse

Obama statements are true?? He basically called the people in the small towns of Pennsylvania BIGGOTS. If he would have said that the American people are angry because of the economy, layoffs and inflation that would have been acceptable! However, he was expressing frustration with the people of Pennsylvania because they were not falling for his lies! He has been spending 4 times more in ads then Hillary and he continue to trail her. He basically called them Biggots and racist and used the RACECARD again. He implied the people in Pennsylvania would not vote for him because he is black. Adding that they were BITTER because they were unemployed therefore turning to guns, religion and biggotry!! This is exactly what he said and meant. This does not sound to me as anyone being compassionate, ampathetic or truthful!!

Posted by: LindaGr | April 14, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

I am a 56 yeasr old life long resident of Pa. I am sending out a call to my fellow Pa. residents . WE all must stand up on April 22 for our state. We must let Mr. Obama know that the people of our state will not take his insults. Pa residents do not vote for the man who insulted us before the Nation. Mr. OBAMA insulted each and every one of us. If he can call us bitter a week before we go to the polls what can we expect of him once he is elected.

Posted by: carla murray | April 14, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

What seems to elude the myopic Clintonite is that Obama's remarks were a sympathetic interpretation --not a contemptuous dismissal --of the the attitudes he had seen on the road as he traveled through towns --small and large -- where there is legitimate bitterness.

Of course they will not wake up and see the truth. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

I am sick and tired of hearing people alleging that Obama was a practicing muslim who went to a Madrassa in Jakarta. Obama's school in Jakarta was a catholic school founded by THE DUTCH back when Indonesia was a DUTCH COLONY!!!

These remarks come from a country where apparently it is not a good thing to sound intelligent when you are running for president. This is what the WASP, Yale educated but not elitist president Bush has done for you:

Since 2004 America has gone from a budget surplus to being indebted to SAUDI ARABIA, CHINA and JAPAN. All thanks to Bush and his "aw shucks" approach to politics. Did you hear that? SAUDI ARABIA - the muslim, al qaeda harboring country you all fear - already owns your asses, and it is all your own fault because you voted for someone who was in touch with small town America.

Keep it up, Americans. Keep paying attention to non issues; soon your standard of living will be right down there with ours.

Posted by: Indonesian | April 14, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

It's not so much the word "bitter" that was galling - it was that folks "cling to guns and religion..." and become xenophobic. Now Obama spins it to mean that we turn to what is good, to what gives us comfort, and he stresses church. But he does not answer the "gun" question. As if the pain of losing your job can be assuaged by killing a small animal. (So Cheney-like.) Michelle has been mysteriously missing for the last month - is the campaign afraid she will blurt out more of this condescending blather? Obama is the one who should step down and let America get on with the election.

Posted by: midwestmom | April 14, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

It's true that in some towns and cities in Pennsylvania that people may be "bitter" because of the hard times that have befallen them over the past 20 to 40 years.

What needs to be noted is that some of these places are being revitalized--Bethlehem is a an excellent example of a comeback. Others are slow in being revived, and it will take time. Some of the problems in the hard-hit areas (Reading and Allentown among them) are caused by drug dealers and criminals coming in from outside the state looking for a cheap place to roost. Local officials are working on these problems, but it's hard to tell if Obama, Clinton, or McCain is fully aware of other problems there outside of the decline of manufacturing centers.

To Langx and others who use this forum to bash PA cities: I advise you to stay in context--the bitterness that Obama is talking about is found in the cities that used to specialize in manufacturing. It's true that people do feel bitter there, and for good reason.

It's stupid to criticize places like Collegeville and Malvern, which are rather prosperous and service-oriented suburbs of Philly. If you're bitter living in these places, it's because you can't get along with other people, not because you're suffering from a declining local economy.

Maybe a six-month "vacation" in a place like Flint, MI would give you perspective on REALLY unhappy people, who have been suffering for years. It's obvious you spent time only in the suburbs here in PA and that you have a personal ax grind about them.

Posted by: Back in PA | April 14, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

After living through the last two decades of lying politicians, broken promises and wasted lives and money fighting a war that shouldn't have been started in the first place, yes, I am angry, frustrated and B-I-T-T-E-R ! [ you heard that right, Candy Crowley, Kitty Pilgrim, Lou Dobbs, Acosta et al !!!!!!!!]
And I am a very religious gun owner and an "E-L-I-T-S-T" to boot !! - - any problems with that ??!!

Baghdad "BOB" ( for Bitter-Old-Bastard)

Posted by: Bob, PA | April 14, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Obama is easy to lie and his supporters do seem enamored by him. that does not excuse his overly educated, "we all know these unimportant and education challenged types" comment. Why are these people good enough to win the wars that keep us free? Good enough to put the food on the table that you eat. Good enough to manufacture the few things (in the US)left that make our lives easier? At least those products worked and the medicines they made were pure and didn't kill people like those from China. What is wrong with having a supportive religion and a gun to put meat on the table in hard times? I'll take a man (or woman) from Western Pa. over a lawyer any day.

Posted by: littledog | April 14, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I happen to live in one of these Midwest towns, you know, the one's where we used to have jobs before they were shipped over seas. People here in Michigan ARE bitter, they have been bitter for YEARS because promises of jobs and better tomorrows have gone unmeant from the Clinton and Bush administrations. What makes me sick is that Senator Obama speaks the truth and Hillary takes her talking points from the Republican party to attack him. What a shame that she will do anything to distract from her lies. I hope someone stops this before she does permanent damage to the party.

Posted by: CJ | April 14, 2008 1:17 AM | Report abuse

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NAFTA: I misspoke. It was late. I was tired. Who loves you PA?

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Posted by: UncleRemus | April 13, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

I will say this to many of you that think this wont hurt Mr. Obama. I was an undecided voter until about last week in which I had thought I might give Mr. Obama a chance and vote for him here in PA. HOWEVER, this is the absolute last straw... after the Pastor flap and other things that seemed to paint him into a shade of gray... I am now throwing my support behind Mrs. Clinton. I can also tell you that after having talks with other friends today (who were also undecideds leaning Obama) that they've rethought the whole idea too! SO, I think a lot who think this wont hurt Mr. Obama here in PA... I'm here to let you know that I'd hold my breath until the voting is over from PA.

Posted by: Doug-PA | April 13, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

It is not the comment of Senator Obama what caused the controversy, because he spoke the truth. It is the way he delivered it disassociating himself from those people that are bitter and cling to guns and religion. It is the same generalization describing his grandmother as a typical white woman. I certainly believe that Senator Obama and his wife, graduating from Yale are elitists.

Posted by: fancydog@san.rr.com | April 13, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

OK. I have read them all. Ugh! Some of you folks are sick and in immediate need of professional help.

Let me summarize the previous postings for those readers who are cheating by skipping to the bottom of the thread.

Firstly, Mr. Obama was correct. Small-town America is hurting economically, and has been for years and years. They feel that no one cares about them and that the future will be worse than the present just as the present is worse than the past. Stating that fact will help him with voters in PA who want a president who sees and understands reality.

Secondly, Mr. Obama was wrong when he appeared to link that despair to religion and gun ownership. He will have to address those misstatements, and even so it will probably ding him in PA. Voters in PA are proud of their religion and/or gun ownership.

Thirdly, Mrs. Clinton and Mr. McCain have been rank opportunists, using Mr. Obama's "religion and guns" remark for political purposes. PA voters may not like that.

Fourthly, no one has begun to fashion a solution for the cause of the "bitterness and anger" --- the economic realities of the rust belt that extend to small towns across America. In all of our postings there was not a single statement of what can be done to improve the lives of the people --- to replace their despair with hope. The only mention of any possible way out was through education --- even though what is needed is good jobs, not higher educational attainment PA voters want solutions, not explications, so all of the candidates will probably be dinged here.

Fifthly, we were treated to a raft of messages about geneology that proported to address some issue that was beyond my capacity to follow. I am way to confused about what DNA reveals about distant relatives and some evil empire to note more than the observation made, maybe 200 postings ago, that at some point in the past we all had a common ancestor --- a point that may be the most important one on this discussion forum.

Finally, a lot of people seemed to like Mr. Obama, and a lot of people don't. Same goes for Mrs. Clinton and Mr. McCain. Reasoned discussion and learning sometimes took a back seat in the discussion forum to the echo-chamber of modern politics. In the long run, that bitterness and divisiveness does not serve the democracy any more than the bitterness of the small-towns provides good jobs.

Posted by: Tom from NW PA | April 13, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

What's your point about Obama's Grandma, April? Use some other thing to make it, because I can't make head nor tail of it..just a lot of wobbling on your part

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Are citizens bitter over current political currents, government action or lack inaction, and economic conditions? Yes. How could they not be? Conservatives are bitter over the separation of church and state, the 2nd Amendment, liberals, and any environmental laws or regulations upon business. Liberals are bitter over the lack of EPA regulations, deregulation of the market. The erosion of civil rights, due process, posse commutates, intelligent design and the erosion of scientific thought in schools, and the war by design in Iraq. Both conservatives and liberals are bitter over the economy, and the Bush administration's mismanagement of the nation. How is it a false, out of touch, elitist, statement to say that Americans or people in Pennsylvania are upset, bitter, disenfranchised, or disgusted by their current or past governmental leadership? I would argue that it is their right to be upset. It is their patriotic duty to remain vigilant by bitterness toward bad policy and the subversion of the constitution. After the past 7 years of this administration I would turn to religion for help. God may be the only thing left once you throw out the Bill of Rights, the value of the dollar, or the thought of 4 more years of Bush dogma and policy.

Posted by: John David Prince | April 13, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton Said on 04-13-08 that Barak Obama's "words are not reflective of the America she knows." Mrs. Clinton by that statement must feel that Americans are complacent, do not turn to religion for comfort, and do no care about the 2nd Amendment gun rights. What America is she living in? This Nation is full of people who have been swept up by religious movements due to either 911 or hard times, the search for meaning in life, and many other factors. This is not an advertisement for religion; rather it is only a fact of US trends in spirituality. Obama is correct when he said that many use religion to find solace. How is that statement elitist? It is stating reality. Do Americans have the right to be upset or bitter about the current administration, economy, war, civil rights, the rule of law, or corruption in Washington D.C.? I would think we do have a sense of bitterness over the past 15 years of Republican control of governmental policy. Even if you are a conservative or a liberal we all should be concerned over the future direction of the nation. Conservatives are always bitter especially on A.M. radio echo chambers we can hear the bitterness over social programs, liberalism, secularism, public schools, political correctness, and on it goes. As well liberal echo chambers are bitter over attacks upon the constitution, the system of checks and balances, presidential power, the fusing of church and state, the prolonged conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan, the deregulation of the big business, the rusting economy, plus much, much more. Hillary in one breath screams about how bad the Bush administration has been, while berating Obama for pointing out that citizens are fed up with government as it is now. This is double speaking from both Clinton and McCain. They claim we need change, yet they also claim that people are doing just fine and are working hard. Yes we are working hard at getting by. Yes, we do need change. When Obama points out that people have no place to turn other than faith due to the fact that government has failed them, he is painted as if he is talking down to Americans. I do not think so. He is talking to Americans who agree with him. We are sick and tired of being sick and tired. Americans are sick of honest words being taken out of context to win political favor. We are sick of an EPA that has failed to keep up with health damaging pollution, a FDA that cannot keep the food supply pure, a commerce dept. and corporations that let lead toys into the market place, a government that spends like a drunken sailor, and policy that has devalued the dollar beyond recognition. We need to think hard about what politician is truly in touch with reality.

Posted by: John David Prince | April 13, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

here we go.

now, let's watch barack deliver a speech on the state of blue collar workers in america.

just like the pastor issue; try to cover it up with a speech so everyone will fawn over his BS.

Posted by: trisha | April 13, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

It is beyond believable that Clinton is suddenly denying that people are upset, bitter, angry (whatever you want to call it- arguing about the exact word is just meaningless semantics) over their economic status. The fact that she is trying to spin this to make it look like stating that people are bitter is a form of looking down on them is laughable. How in the world is observing the truth of what he has encountered in PA- bitterness, anger at loss of jobs that have gone overseas or someplace cheaper or more convenient- how in the world is that "looking down" on people? Insanity.

And as far as the remarks about guns and religion- he is referring to the fact that those are the issues that people end up taking refuge in- he was not saying that it's wrong to do those things, he was saying- that people give up and feel hopeless in regards to changing things for themselves economically, and so they take refuge in the issues that they feel the govt does listen to them about. Which in and of itself is not necessarily a bad thing- but what is not good about it is if they only pay attention to those other issues (hence the words "take refuge"), at the expense of abandoning any hope of change for themselves economically because they don't believe the words of the politicians anymore because they have heard it all before and nothing has changed. That's actually not looking down at people at all. It's an assessment of the social phenomenon that takes place. And if the people actually recognize what they are doing, then it actually can serve to be empowering to them. That is why Clinton and McCain are attacking him so much- it's pretty scary for them to think that maybe people would become empowered.
From what I have read- from most of the comments in many papers online- the majority of blue collar people responding are saying that he is being honest. It it only the Clinton supporters who are trying to spin this as if it is hurting him.

Posted by: shelley Fagiola | April 13, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

VAMMAP-- Obama isn't just some black man coming to PA. He's also from a white family with small-town roots in Kansas. Perhaps you can't conceive of such a thing.

Posted by: Christine | April 13, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I was laid off; I have medical bills of over $4000 a month.

To describe me as bitter is not called "showing contempt"; it is called "recognizing the situation".

How have the Clinton's gone from, "feeling your pain" to "lets pretend your pain doesn't exist"?

Question for the reporter: is there any news to be found by asking Republicans what they think of a comment made by their opponent? "OMG - a Republican strategist thinks a Democrat has made a mistake! Can we get this on the front page before deadline?"

Posted by: jericho4119 | April 13, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

The uproar over this issue is just a further example of what is wrong with our current political leadership. Rather than facing up to the truth that many blue-collar, small town Americans are having a hard time economically the Washington Establishment candidates Clinton and McCain blast Obama's comments as 'condescending.' The fact is that they need the voters to continue focusing on wedge issues such as guns and religion so they can avoid being held accountable for their continual reliance on special interests and their utter failure to represent the American people.

Clearly, Obama's choice of words was less than ideal, but if Hillary wants us to consider her tall tale of experience under sniper fire as just a mispoken moment similar to McCain's constant mischaracterizaion that Iran is behind Al Quaeda in Iraq then she should face up to the fact that the gist of what Obama said is correct.

Posted by: Ron | April 13, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

It's interesting to read the comments at the top of this blog from the Republican consultants--the very people who developed this strategy to con hard working, middle-class workers into believing the real problem was people taking away their guns, "godless atheists," and those who believe in teaching evolution. What does Mitt Romney's consultant know about the problems of middle-class workers? What does John McCain's consultant know about being laid off, because of the "free trade" agreements, signed for the benefit of well-paid corporate executives? The same could be asked of these same consultans who established Nixon's racist "Southern Strategy" in the 60's. The whole idea was to distract working peoples' attention away from the inexorable shifting of wealth from the middle class to the upper class, by getting middle class workers to get excited about non-issues.

Posted by: paul_hardt@yahoo.com | April 13, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

What's curious to me is that two white establishment politicians are accusing a black community organizer who was raised in a single parent family as being elitist. Hmmmm....Say what?

Posted by: ebrown | April 13, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: larratta | April 13, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Bloggers who have read the complete text of Obama's statements see hypocracy and contradiction.


Obama says race isn't the reason white blue collar workers may not vote for him. But if that's true, why would it matter whether or not his message was delivered by a "46 year old black man named Barack Obama."
This is a contradiction that can't be ignored.

On the tape, the California donors laughed and got the joke Obama was trying to convey -- white provincial voters may not be able to relate to a black man with such a diverse background, according to Obama.

A black man whose campaign about hope has come to white small towns in PA and is criticizing white voters for their cultural propensities, which are common in small towns, particularly in red states; this isn't just a "bitter" message, it's a anti-white message.

If you put this in context with his statements about Wright and black people, there's a double-standard.

Posted by: VAMMAP | April 13, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

I am a bitter, unemployed, and angry Pennsylvanian, who has now found a candidate to support. I am fed up with politicians, who have done nothing but get themselves re-elected with little regard for the frustrations of middle America. If you can't honestly describe the problem, you aren't going to work for a solution to the messes this country faces. Please, not this time....

Posted by: Rick | April 13, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

What a country! A person telling the truth is being questioned. Rightly so, if people think that they are tired of politician's elections promise and turning to Guns and religions, then, he is right. The question is how many? very few. Who knows he may be right. Think about Virgina Tech mass occur and that burst of that nut that we have seen on screen. To what extant such type of social bitterness is turning to Guns. Unfortunately, the Guns and religion are both parties silent tools to win elections. One is pro and other is against it. They both get share depending on where and how many voters fall in respective category. At the end of the election, they do nothing to improve and bring back this issue again to get some vote. That is what he was saying. YOu need a real smart head to understand his message. The question is how many of us willing to understand. Since he is Obama, opponent only look for opportunity to bring him down and do not want to discuss the issue. Remember, He said virtually nothing on McCan's second Iraq's remark in senate hearing, he said virtually noting about Mrs. Clinton's Bosnia story and her tax return and said only one or two occasion about her running a fragile campane. So folks, he is Obama and he should get very tight scrutinize. At the end, opportunists always looses. Remain to be seen how best he is. The voter has already split out between democrat, so its not that much harm that Clinton can do. MeCan should be very careful because if keep raising about these non-issue and make a stark difference in his policy, people will make up their mind .

Posted by: Jan | April 13, 2008 8:12 AM | Report abuse

There's no distortion, in fact, they wanted to cover it up. But full context to what he said hasn't even been given....here it is:


"Misgivings, and video, on the San Francisco story
Marc Cooper, the editor of the Off the Bus project for which Mayhill Fowler, an Obama donor who taped and wrote about Obama's San Francisco remarks, has an interesting rumination on the affair, including the misgivings that wound up burying the comments in Fowler's broader discussion of Obama.
"It wasn't easy for her to write a piece that she knew, while truthful and accurate, would nevertheless be used by his political opponents," he writes.
ALSO: Whether video of the event surfaces is going to have a real impact on how much this story hurts Obama, and Cooper suggests it may:
"Let it also be noted that there were approx 100 videocams whirring away inside the room as Barack spoke," he writes.


http://marccooper.com/

Posted by: VAMMAP | April 13, 2008 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Bob in DC (probably 200 posts ago) summarized it nicely. This won't hurt BO in any significant way.

Somewhere in the hue and cry today, I thought I saw a very apt thought ascribed to the "bitter" thing. It was the very same thought I have presented in question form to many, like me, who go to work every day and do something in exchange for money - "How do you vote against nearly every self-interest by voting Republican?" And the answer nearly every time was something about gay marriage, abortion, or some other belief that if you aren't Republican you are a godless wretch to be feared.
And the sad thing is that after losing a pension, insurance, house, and sometimes a job, many do take refuge in their religion. It's sad because by doing so, they really don't get bitter; cuz after all, god has a plan and it will all be ok. Just keep voting against your interests, and don't forget to put some of your (taxable) unemployment check in the basket.

Posted by: Jeff Purnell | April 13, 2008 6:28 AM | Report abuse

This is so silly....
What is beautiful about this process is that it has become so easy to see the trickery from the truth!

The entire time Obama has mentioned he was running for office. Every dirty hateful remark has been made about him and the people that support him.

Barack Obama has been the only candidate who has been truthful and helpful the American Political situation.

Even if he does not win, he would be the only person who has done anything to bring the American people together! Just by being sensitive, thoughtful, and truthful to the American people!

Is there one other candidate who has not been apart of some sad personal scandal that totally contradicts there TV face?

I respect Barack Obama because he respects the voters!

You got my vote AMERICAN HERO!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 5:56 AM | Report abuse

So telling the truth is a no-no. You have lie like Hillary and the Current Occupant. After 8 yrs people haven't learned when their being played by those who claim to be "one of them" until they're elected?

Posted by: jhbyer | April 13, 2008 5:40 AM | Report abuse

Soooo, Hillary's aiming to be the gal you want to have a beer with. She's run her campaign like shrub governs. They both value loyalty above competence, fiction above truth, and their entitlement over fairness. Bush III is Hillary.

Posted by: jhbyer | April 13, 2008 5:26 AM | Report abuse

What Obama said is correct! He could have been a little more articulate but he was answering a question not giving a speech...

Bottom line is that not only blue collar workers but the middle class as well is very bitter. I think most people will see through this and realize that the two mega millionaires - Hillary & McCain is merely trying to posture and believe we are idiots.

They are the ones who are pondering and condescending not Obama.

Posted by: Citystreet | April 13, 2008 5:21 AM | Report abuse

Can anyone tell me what this guy believes in or what he plans to do about anything....all this change he keeps blathering about. And please if you do know pleas answer me with some substance not just the same broad statement that he uses everyday.

Posted by: Kyle D | April 13, 2008 2:57 AM

Go to Obama campaign website; it has all you need, but on Ayers and Dohrn good luck!

Posted by: adleed | April 13, 2008 3:09 AM | Report abuse

Do you know what is sad? Obama is the only really interesting, honest candidate. The media (and, naturally, his opponents) are using this to crucify him. However, what he said was, in fact, true. Obama understands what is happening in middle America better than the other two candidates.

Spinning this past Pluto and way, waaayyy out of context is playing wonderfully into the Republicans' hands.

However, politics is nasty. And most Americans are too busy to become anything less than naive. Which is why we keep getting lousy leaders.

If Hillary thinks this benefits her in the long run, she's dead wrong. She'll be left with a terminally fractured Democratic party - and victory will be McCain's.

Posted by: scj | April 13, 2008 2:59 AM | Report abuse

Can anyone tell me anything this empty suit obama plans to do if elected. I've listend to too many of his speeches and all I hear is some guy trying to sound very eloquent while speaking in broad generalities while never making a single point or coming up with one useful idea. I've heard him say that change has to start from the bottom up not from the top down...... meaning from the individual not the government. However his only solution for anything is to raise taxes and have the government step in as big brother and tell us how to live our lives. This guy talks and talks and never says anything at all. He speaks in broad general statements and tops it off with " and thats the change we want" and blah blah blah. And all the easily misled lemmings jump up and down and clap and cheer yes we can. Anyone who actually believes this guy is someone who has their best interest in mind truly lacks the ability to think indenpendently and reach conclusions on his or her own. Why dont you guys actually do some research on "Black liberation theology" which is what has been spewed in his church....in his presence for the last 20 years. Research a little of that and you'll understand why he dosent wear his american flag pin or cover his heart when the national anthem is being played. Research that and you'll understand why he still associates with terrorists like William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn who bombed buildings on American soil. You'll usnderstand why he gets indorsments from the black panther party. And whats sad is that even if you had the intellectual honesty to acknowledge these things as the truth most of you obama robots will still vote for this empty suit bigot. That is because as I said, you lack the ability to think and make decisions for yourself..... you need to have you hand held by someone else and be told what to think and do. So again I'll ask. Can anyone tell me what this guy believes in or what he plans to do about anything....all this change he keeps blathering about. And please if you do know pleas answer me with some substance not just the same broad statement that he uses everyday.

Posted by: Kyle D | April 13, 2008 2:57 AM | Report abuse

It is amazing how words are moved in or out of context to distort the words and sentiments of others. For example: A few month ago Rove was saying the Congress made Bush invade Iraq, and who controls the Congress? Thus, Democrats made Bush attach Iraq? True or false? Stuff like this is what many are posting.

After 20 years of of Bush-Clinton-Bush, and the last eight with Chaney and Rove, many of you seem to believe that brief clips or a few sentences will derail Obama or in the alternative will lessen his chance of winning in the primary and/or general election. If this is so it was over before it started.
So am I to believe that Hillary was shot at in Bosnia, and McCain did in fact know the differences between the Shia and Sunnis in Iraq?

Of course small town and rural America could not possible be pissed with the poverty many life among? A primary point is that folks who need to believe this stuff would have found something else if not for this matter. So tell me about Bosnia and McCain's memory? Sinbad maybe?

Posted by: adleed | April 13, 2008 2:30 AM | Report abuse

Leichtman and I have both taken a ton of unnecessary crap from Obama supporters.

The blogs are filled with this same kind of Pastor Wright hate on... poisonous stuff: blind veneration, crazed cult-like allegiance.

There are no perfect candidates, but the layers are peeling off now, and we are seeing more of the true person, Obama's affiliations, his true allegiances, his ego, and his unwillingness to be fair.

We see him as equal to or worse than the "old style Washington politics," if that's possible.

More will come out...

Posted by: VAMMAP | April 13, 2008 2:11 AM | Report abuse

We are listening to him.

He spoke to a bunch of wealthy elite donors who laughed when he told them that they (small town folk) couldn't relate to a 46 year old black man. Was this a racist statement?

He said, "people cling to "guns and religion;" this statement can't be misconstrued.

It's a cultural, societal mainstay of small towns in America, representing many of the towns Obama won out west and in the South. He said he wanted to bring Republicana and Independents into a new coalition, a united America. Most people would agree you don't go about doing that by attacking the very constituency you're trying to win over.

There's a double-standard here that Obama followers aren't getting.

Posted by: VAMMAP | April 13, 2008 1:51 AM | Report abuse

vammap I read those 12 reasons an hour ago and felt the author made some serious points about Nov. I have never been an Obama supporter, but I am now seriously fearful what his nomination might now mean to this country in the Nov. election and its spillover effect in close local elections here in Texas that we discussed here on Thursday and may need to now revisit. As a native southerner I agree with Mudcat Saunders, those comments won't sit well here with Texans. Haven't heard mark in Austin chime in today with his usually objective analysis. We should at least be thankful that if Sen Obama was destined to make a statement like he did in S.F.,that it happened in April rather than October.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 13, 2008 1:31 AM | Report abuse

re: barry's comments on barack's name please explain to me what is so offensive about having an arabic or muslim name. i guess we should imprison or deport kareem abdul-jabbbar, nazr mohammed, jamaal tinsley, shareef abdur-rahim and half of the nba and nfl that you probably enjoy watching week after week because of their family names. i happen to be a first generation american, college-educated, hard-working, respected tax-paying citizen who happens to have a foreign sounding name. if it were not for the hard-scrub immigrants who came to this country looking for a better life, and helping to build this country's infrastructure and doing the dirty jobs, fighting for their country (us)in world wars one and two, i would love to know where your pathetic, wonder bread white a** would be today...so a little respect please. i am betting that i volunteer more time to my community, state and government in a month than you have in your entire lifetime so give it a rest.

Posted by: americanandproudofit | April 13, 2008 1:27 AM | Report abuse

Yes, the second half of the comments sound bad -- until you realize that he's blaming Washington and the media for pandering on those issues and not blaming the people who have little choice in this matter or even in their lives.

The phrasing was poor, but the sentiment was right.

Both parties have been guilty of making promises and not delivering. Both parties have been guilty of using hot-button issues unrelated to real problems that affect all of the people (except the 1% powerful and wealthy).

Now, Obama has the guts to address these issues and does so awkwardly. Listen not to the spinners (not even his). Listen to him.

Posted by: Harry, Los Angeles, CA | April 13, 2008 1:24 AM | Report abuse

It's obvious Obama supporters are becoming rabid in their attempts to change the public's perception.

You all recall Obama intended on giving Hillary a knock out blow in PA. Let's see who gets PA pummeled!

The airwaves are going to be saturated with his words and even small town PA voters are going to hear about it.

Add to that his Street Money problem in Phillie, and Obama may have just shot himself in the foot.

Posted by: VAMMAP | April 13, 2008 1:20 AM | Report abuse

To those Obama supporters who have come here all day and said no big deal this is what a neutral Democratic tactician who knows a little something about Democratic and especially southern and rural voting behaviors.

"David Mudcat Saunders, a Democratic strategist and rural advocate, advised John Edwards's presidential campaign but is now neutral. He said he believed that Mr. Obama's comments would offend rural voters."

"It could mean he's rendered himself unelectable," Mr. Saunders said. "This is a perfect example of why Democrats lose elections."

Posted by: Leichtman | April 13, 2008 1:19 AM | Report abuse

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR OPPOSING (FREEZING) the Fee Trade Agreement FTA.
FROM LEFT DEMOCRAT UNIONS IN COLOMBIA
As all democrat USA workers and you have rightly sensed Ms. Pelosi, the infamous "Free Trade Agreement" could be the only impediment to avoid our ideal and idyllic and central proletarian-workers controlled future. The actual very real reason why we the Colombian and American Chavistic democrat unions oppose the FTA is not "the killings of 2.700 unionists in 20 years in Colombia" as this FTA what really affects is not the lowest number ever organized unions of ours, but 44 million living Colombian citizens.
As Ms Pelosi and democrat unions in America do, THE TRUTH instead is that we deeply hate all three words: we hate FREE as it means that our next future democrat socialistic leader, alter ego of our future Gran Colombian unions unifier President Hugo Chavez, will not be able to nationalize, control and direct the economy in favor of our people and against the "free" capitalistic entrepreneurs that pretend to "freely" exploit and "trade" our labor to export "agreed" goods to the Yankees. We hate TRADE as it corrupts the mind of our people into capitalistic consumist behaviors of American goods, and we hate AGREEMENT because it is the betrayal to all our goals, on behalf of our actual unconditional 110% pro American ally (puppet-server) president Uribe in "agreement" with evil-republican president Bush.
Therefore, ANY REAL OR MADE UP EXCUSE you Ms Pelosi and USA democrat workers use to please oppose the FTA with Colombia is valid and supports greatly our ideals. Although the "2.700 unionists killed in 20 years" have never ever in the history of Colombia been so LOW like now during this 100% PRO BUSH REPUBLICAN YANKEE URIBE government and HE HIM SELF has made all our own victorious terrorism born paramilitary to demobilize, unarm and in jail including many politicians for the very first time in our 60 revolutionary years, this small fact can easily be media-ticaly ignored, in exactly the way American democrat workers and you Ms Pelosi are doing.
Fortunately, our Army of the People, the glorious FARC has killed and kidnapped (3.000 per year including 3 "free trader"-supporter Americans now for 6 years) and so many more hundred of thousands of civilians and "free trade" entrepreneurs and capitalistic exporters and democratic politicians. In the name of our glorious revolution we proudly count 649 kids and 6.043 adults amputated and killed just by our land mines, so that just this is well over so many more than any "killed of our union workers" in our history. So far this proportion is really very satisfactory to us. Any how, for sure our and your strength Ms Pelosi is that one union worker killing is so much more valid and noisy that 44 million "free traders" or hundreds of civilians some now more than ten years kidnapped, that you just can easily inveRt this minor truth for the purpose of disproving that evil republican unfair and forced FTA.
Actually for us workers in Colombia, like in VENEZUELA, our real goal is to diminish and eliminate all private entrepreneurial capitalistic exploitation of man by man. Its our socialistic revolutionary fight against those who "free"ly export and "trade" our labor and raw materials. Our goal is to concentrate all the economy in the hands of a good centralized social workers-only government parallel to that of Hugo Chavez the great democrat-workers-unions-unifier of the world. The revolution source in Venezuela is the oil that the American people suck and pays for, and in Colombia it will be the cocaine that our revolutionary Army of the People FARC protects, control and export and trade for huge revenues to arm and feed our people against any "free" what ever "trade" exporters. Yes Senator Pelosi you are SO right, we do not need any help or "trade" exports nor any "free" industry-entrepreneurs to export any other goods to any other country or market, less so we need yours, and we thank democrat party for opposing them by opposing this FTA.
Peoples approval of our actual capitalistic "democratic" president Uribe by 83% of our 83% politically wrong people is also a factual proof of the above, but don't worry. This never before seen 83% approval after 6 years in power, does not relate to us, the actual REAL FREEDOM fighters killers and kidnapers revolutionaries proud to be and do, democrat unions that oppose Bush consumistic, capitalistic and "free trade" entrepreneurial non governmental controlled FTA.
Opening you markets to our exporters exploitative "free trade" entrepreneurs can be the very worst thing you can do for our democrat ideals CHAVISTIC Unified Latin democrat Unions for centralized economy and social socialistic revolutionary justice. Please do NOT allow that evil president of yours to approve the FTA with our country and against our people and our real goals and ideals. We deeply thank you Ms Pelosi and American democrat worker-union-voters in advance for all your efforts in this regard. The less FTA you give Colombia, the bigger our revolutionary Army of the People FARC will do in agreement with our glorious Gran Colombian democrat workers-union unifier: HUGO CHAVEZ FRIAS.
PS. Admired and respected Ms. Pelosi, we also know you will please certainly succeed in eliminating all the moneys given to the "Plan Colombia" that is so badly hurting our revolutionary forces, and will please abandon as well Irak (come on, WWI and WWII "freedom American heroes" ended also cowardly during and after our glorious revolutionary victory and your humiliated defeat in Vietnam). Your continued support to our socialistic workers unions armed nationalistic anty-global revolution and independence is more than greatly appreciated by our undisputed leader of Latin America HUGO CHAVEZ, in the name of all XXI century socialistic revolution in the world.
THANK YOU ALL DEMOCRAT AMERICA!!!!
COLOMBIAN FREEDOM FIGHTERS

Posted by: Neo Retroprotectionism | April 13, 2008 1:15 AM | Report abuse

The timing of this doesn't bode well for Obama.

Though the press may have let him off the hook concerning Wright, with his speech mitigating a 20 year relationship with a hatefilled mentor, these remarks, the setting in which they were made, the reactions from donors attending the fundraisers, just can't be parsed away to appear harmless or misstated, or miscontrued.

Now he will be on the defensive and there's 9 days to go.

According to Politico, there are 12 reasons why Obama should be very worried.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9561.html

Posted by: VAMMAP | April 13, 2008 1:11 AM | Report abuse

Hard-pressed Pennsylvania voters speak out, led by Howard Beale:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dib2-HBsF08&feature=related

Once again, the MSM and the Beltway crowd supporting Clinton/ Bush/Clinton/McCain have it WRONG.

Sen Obama showed remarkable Empathy and Enlightenment in his "off-the-record" comments.
It is neither elitist nor demeaning to own the reality that millions of American workers have taken it on the chin while Beltway Insiders have lavished tax dollars on Blackstone, Bear Sterns, Iraq and various other foreign Governments, Special Interests and boondoggles. The same Power Elite Insiders who kept a lid on real wages for American workers-- the inflation adjusted Minimum wage has NOT risen since 1992--and gave incentives to companies moving jobs overseas are now crying FOUL when Sen. Obama gingerly points out the obvious: People are Mad as Hell about LOUSY, self-serving, double-dealing Government action and INACTION.

Posted by: Sam | April 13, 2008 1:08 AM | Report abuse

Incidentally Chuck Todd, a fair political analyst on MSNBC, claims there are at least 12% Undecided Voters in Pa. Let's see how those voters break next week and into next weekend in Pa and conservative Indiana.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 13, 2008 12:47 AM | Report abuse

bsimon you are correct, All of this chatter here means zero. It all depends on what we see the undecided Pa and Indiana voters telling pollster, next week. Not what HC supporters claim, nor Obama supporters. Since Sen Obama claimed last week that Indiana will be the tie breaker in the primary, Indiana will be critical to determine his momentum and whether HC can stop him there.

Curious why all the Obama supporters today fixate on the word Bitter and totally ignore the rest of what Sen Obama said linking the word Bitter to small towners clinging to religion, guns and Anti Immigration sentiment because of their economic despair. If Obama supporters are going to spin the word Bitter, then please use the total statement from the tape recording, and stop fixating on that one word. No one is impressed by that tactic.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 13, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Obama's reply line in the next debate:

"Maybe McCain will offer Hillary the V.P. spot on his ticket - she certainly seems to be singing from his republican songbook."

Posted by: Boutan | April 13, 2008 12:14 AM | Report abuse

U know whats funny half the folks in PA OHION probaly don't even know what a elitist is

Posted by: ak | April 13, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Interesting takes on what the consultants and politicians think.

What do the people think?

Posted by: bsimon | April 12, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

I'm bitter and angry that the press has shoved Obama down our throats rather than doing "due dilligence" on the guy like they're supposed to.

The reason the US is going down the drain is simple.

We focus on the wrong things.

You reap what you sow.

In this case, a racist jerk.

Posted by: I'm bitter and angry too | April 12, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

obama was right. but if you want the same thing.than you vote for the same peoples bush clinton bush clinton 28 year

Posted by: freethinker | April 12, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters don't care what he's done or what he will do, they just want him.

Trying to convince them otherwise is a waste of time.

The'll lose the election for Democrats, but they won't mind a bit.

They'll juat move on to the next fad and leave the rest of us holding the bag.

Posted by: Obama supporters don't care what he does or will do, they just want him | April 12, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm sticking with the guy who knows what regular Americans are hungry for. Less divisiveness/more cooperation to address the serious issues that have been neglected for too long. Let's move ahead into the 21st century with Barack Obama. Let's get busy before our middle class - the backbone of this country - disappears altogether.

Posted by: Joyce | April 12, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Why can't Hillary and McCain accept the truth? Americans are bitter and angry that Washington has failed them. That it's always the same old politics of hate and division. Clinton and McCain seem determined to divide this country instead of trying to understand what we're really going through. Obama spoke the truth, and we shouldn't get caught up in semantics... it's time for politicians to start working for us and not trying to pit us against each other.

http://www.cafepress.com/wetnoodle

Posted by: wetnoodle | April 12, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

No matter how you slice it, the US government of the last three decades has largely failed its people. It has played politics with education, injecting ludicrous arguments such as Creationism and abstinence-only eduction into the discourse, creating programs like No Child Left Behind, and not funding school systems adequately.

The end result is that the American workforce that has come of working age during that time is woefully unprepared for this century's big economic movement from low productivity industrial jobs to high productivity technology jobs. Indeed, we've lost the industrial jobs to low-wage paying countries, and because our children are nowhere near as educated as those from India, China, and even Russia, we're systematically losing the high technology jobs overseas as well.

A century ago, this country led the way in industrialization and the American Empire came to the fore. Today, our government has failed us, beginning with the Reagan Revolution's misguided focus on trickle-down economics, the Clinton regime's injection of unnecessary partisanship into nearly every issue, and ending with today's abject incompetence of the Republican Party.

If voters across the country are worried about their jobs, are worried about American companies moving its workforce overseas, and are worried about whether their children will have the skills to compete with Chinese, Indian, and other SE Asian children, they can look at how we've all allowed our government to manipulate us with ancillary issues such as illegal immigration, gay marriage, and gun control, instead of the facts: we need to pay teachers more, we need to make our schools as beautiful as the local Galleria, we need to make higher education more affordable, we need to turn off the television and teach our children not simply the subject matter but how to learn and think for themselves, and we need to make health care affordable to all children so that we can give them a fighting chance, even in the worst conditions.

This is the heart of why Americans are "bitter". And breaking with old failed traditions and moving forward in a new direction is why I'm voting for Obama. He may not be perfect (neither am I), he may not even be up for the job. But I do know that Senator Clinton and Senator McCain (who I admire more than the other two combined) are part of the old school establishment that caused this mess.

Obama is worth the shot.

Posted by: P Diddy | April 12, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

It is a little unsettling, if not a tad odd, to hear these sudden outbursts of empathy in defense of the down and out of America from a politician with a family income of over 100 million dollars and another one with enough family fortune to own multiple mansions around the globe.

To Sen. Bayh: Have you ever conducted a survey to fathom how many of your struggling constituents feel bitter toward their Congressional reps giving themselves high six-figure salaries with cost-of-living adjustments, full healthcare for themselves and their families and generous perks, not to speak of the millions of dollars in legalized bribery from PACs?

To the pundits and reporters: Would you please take a short pause from showering down messages from the top elitists drowning in unrestrained abundance, and, for a change, go to the grassroots where decapitated middle class struggle to get by daily and ask how many of them are angry or bitter?

By the way, anger and bitterness are rather close synonyms.

Posted by: Non-Elitist | April 12, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

where did you find all that geneology stuff?

Posted by: Jack | April 12, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Clinton needs to stop with the hysterics.

Posted by: Sara B | April 12, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

I am voting for Obama.

Posted by: cb245 | April 12, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

parker...
Obama spin? I thought it was Bible spin...you know, that we're all God's chillun...hallelujah!

Posted by: Joyce | April 12, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

From Philadelphia,PA
I'm bitter and without a job.

Posted by: Need | April 12, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

This is the TRUE OBAMA. His wife found one thing to be proud of America, Obama and his "typical white person" comment, his pastor's anti-american comments which Obama ignored for 20 yrs. What a president and commander-n-chief he would make; one from hell!! If the American people elect him as our leader, they will get what they deserve; the rest of us will just be praying we never have another leader like this lying man.

Posted by: Millie Burt | April 12, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

How is that relevant ?? Is that person kidding. Obama says he comes from humble beginnings only his grandma is a bank vp (big bucks) his mom traveled all over , can't do that if you are poor either. It's called either believe what you are told, or connect the dots. Something or someone is not who they seem to be. Someone says something about the other candidate only it pertains to them....It means someone is yanking on your leg...don't yu feel it?

Posted by: Gerald | April 12, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

... here in middle America , we don't "cling" to religion; we worship God.

Sen. Obama's explanation and pushback are actually worse than his original offense.

By refusing to acknowledge that the lumping of Americans of faith together with racists and xenophobes is empirically insulting, he essentially restates his position and digs in: Religion, racism, xenophobia are just "refuges" (his new word) for people who are not as privileged as he. Really repugnant stuff.

His remarks are now his official position, not a blunder that can be explained away and forgiven. That window has closed.

http://www.anklebitingpundits.com/content/index.php?p=3113


"So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."


I don't see how anyone known to have uttered those words can be elected President.


And, true to it's liberal pro-Obama leanings, the WaPo has put the biggest politcal story in weeks on Page 4.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | April 12, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

This is exactly why people like the person that posted whats with you geneology people are kept in the dark. You aren't bright enough to think of the ramifications, or maybe worse you don't care. You are the same types that would be fine with the Patriot act taking your rights way or saying it's ok to torture. Think about it, thats why you have a brain...use it! It's sort of like the days of Kings and Queens where there is an inside circle of people who are the only ones that can ever gain power. Believe it or not Hillary and Bill Clinton are outsiders. He has been president, but they(bluebloods) all worked hard to get rid of him, because he never belonged there according to entitlement......so fluff it off and stay in your little shell where you feel safe and warm never learning anything, it's better that way no one will miss you

Posted by: Joshua | April 12, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

wrong Joyce, that is Obama campaign spin...try looking up your lineage, I doubt you will have these types of connections, thisisn't by accident these folks are tapped for politics....Haven't you heard of the secret societies...We all know tyhey exist...it's sort of the way Skull and bones taps CIA agents from Yale

Posted by: Parker | April 12, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

What is with you genealogists and how is that relevant? I suggest you take a walk in the sun and absorb some Vitamin D. It's good for the brain.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

You can find research for all these at wargs.com under political people...
John Reitweisner is a geneologist working n the library of congress...thes facts have also been verified at some New England Geneological Society

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

If you trace back to the beginning, we're all related to one another - all races, nationalities, religions, all people. Right?

Posted by: Joyce | April 12, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

I guess blueblood entitlement has been going on throughout the ages...as to who has been given opportunities for fame or success or power throuhout the decades and gaes it looks like
John Forbes Kerry

Presidents 13-
1. Garfield
2. Taft
3. Grant
4. Cleveland
5. Hoover
6. FDR
7.Teddy Rooselvelt
8.Pierce
9.Coolidge
10 Nixon
11. Carter
12.George HW Bush
13. George W Bush

RELATED TO Ann Robbins ("NANCY DAVIS") m. RONALD REAGAN (1911-2004), US President

John is>>>
14th cousins>>Barbara Pierce married. George Herbert Walker Bush
13th 11th and 9th cousin of George W Bush...
11th cousin George Herbert Walker Bush m. Barbara Pierce
10th Cousins Prescott Sheldon Bush m. Dorothy Walker
9th Cousins Samuel Prescott Bush m. Flora Sheldon

VICE PRESIDENTS
1. JAMES SCHOOLCRAFT SHERMAN (1855-1912
2. CHARLES GATES DAWES (1865-1951),
3. Jeremiah Jones Colbath, later HENRY WILSON (1812-1875
4 HENRY AGARD WALLACE (1888-1965)


US CABINET SECRETARY
1. ELLIOT LEE RICHARDSON (1920-1999), US cabinet secretary

PRESIDENTIAL ADVISOR
1. McGEORGE BUNDY (1919-1996), presidential advisor

SOLICITOR GENERAL
1.ARCHIBALD COX (b. 1912), Watergate prosecutor also


Dir of CIA
1. ALLEN WELSH DULLES (1893-1969), Director of Central Intelligence


Supreme Court Justices
1. OLIVER WENDELL HOLMES Jr (1841-1935), US Supreme Court justice
2. DAVID HACKETT SOUTER (b. 1939

signors...declaration or constitution signers
1. JOHN HANCOCK (1736/7-1793), Signer
2. ROBERT TREAT PAINE (1731-1814), Signer
3. NICHOLAS GILMAN (1755-1844), Signer
4. Anne Remington married. WILLIAM ELLERY (1727-1820), signer

Senators
1. ADLAI EWING STEVENSON III (b. 1930), US Senator
2. WAYNE LYMAN MORSE (1900-1974), US Senator
3. Daniel ROBERT GRAHAM (b. 1936), US Senator
4. LOWELL PALMER WEICKER (b. 1931), US Senator
5. BENJAMIN FRANKLIN WADE (1800-1878
6. HENRY CABOT LODGE (1850-1924), US Senator
7. ENDICOTT PEABODY (1920-1997), Governor of Massachusetts
8. JOHN SHERMAN (1823-1900), US Senator
9. ROBERT ALPHONSO TAFT (1889-1953), US Senator, m. Martha W. Bowers
10. Pamela Dwight m. THEODORE SEDGWICK (1746-1813), US Senator

Secratary of State
1. JOHN FOSTER DULLES (1888-1959), US Secretary of State, m. Janet Avery

Governors
1. JOHN ELLIS "Jeb" BUSH (b. 1953), Governor of Florida
2. George Romney
3. Willard Mitt Romney(Ma)
4. GEORGE BRINTON McCLELLAN (1826-1885), Union commander, Gov of New Jersey
5. JOHN ALSOP KING (1788-1867), Governor of New York
6.THOMAS EDMUND DEWEY (1902-1971), Governor of New York
7. INCREASE SUMNER (1746-1799), Governor of Massachusetts
8. ROBERT ALPHONSO TAFT (b. 1942), Governor of Ohio


US diplomats
1. Pamela (Digby)Harriman (1920-1996), US diplomat
2. GEORGE FROST KENNAN (b. 1904)
3. JOHN MURRAY FORBES (1771-1831), lawyer, diplomat
4. SUMNER WELLES (1892-1961), diplomat


GENERALS
1. DOUGLAS MacARTHUR (1880-1964), General
2. CHARLES JACKSON PAINE (1833-1916), general
3. WILLIAM TECUMSEH SHERMAN (1820-1891), General


Mayor
1. CLINTON EASTWOOD (b. 1930), Mayor of Carmel, California


Industrialists
1.MARJORIE MERRIWETHER POST (1887-1973) m. Edward Francis Hutton
2.CHARLES WILLIAM POST (1854-1914), cereal manufacturer
3. Elizabeth Parke m. HARVEY SAMUEL FIRESTONE (1898-1973), industrialist
4. THEODORE NEWTON VAIL (pres of AT&T)
5. HUGH BANCROFT (1879-1933), president of Dow, Jones & Co.
6. HERBERT HENRY DOW (1866-1930), founder of Dow Chemical
7. JOHN PIERPONT MORGAN (1837-1913), banker, m. Frances Louise Tracy
8..JOHN PIERPONT MORGAN JR. (1867-1943), banker
9. GEORGE HORACE GALLUP (1901-1984), pollster
10. WILLIAM HENRY GATES III(Bill Gates) (b. 1955), software executive
11. FRANK NELSON DOUBLEDAY (1862-1934), publisher, m. Neltje DeGroff
.NELSON DOUBLEDAY (1889-1949), publisher
12.FRITZ TUGENDHAT (1895-1958), industrialist
13. SAMUEL COLT (1814-1862), gun manufacturer


HISTORIAN / GENEOLOGISTs/Newspapers
1. CHARLES SEYMOUR (1885-1963), historian
2.DONALD LINES JACOBUS (1887-1970), genealogist
3.Louisa Flagg m. Charles Scribner Jr
| | .CHARLES SCRIBNER III (1890-1952), publisher, m. Vera Gordon Bloodgood
| | .CHARLES SCRIBNER IV (1921-1995), publisher
4.GEORGE ANDREWS MORIARTY (1883-1968), genealogist
5. FREDERICK LEWIS WEIS (1895-1966), genealogist
6. Mrs ELIZABETH FRENCH BARTLETT (1877-1961), genealogist
7.CLARENCE ALMON TORREY (1869-1962), genealogist
8. BENJAMIN CROWNINSHIELD BRADLEE (b. 1921), newspaper editor
9. CLARENCE ALMON TORREY (1869-1962), genealogist
10. JOHN FARMER (1789-1838), early genealogist
11. Mrs MARY LOVERING HOLMAN (1868-1947), genealogist
12. JAMES SAVAGE (1784-1873), genealogist
13. ARTHUR OCHS SULZBERGER (b. 1951), newspaper publisher


Missionary
1. HIRAM BINGHAM (1789-1869), missionary


ASTRONOMER/ASTRONAUT
1. SAMUEL PIERPONT LANGLEY (1834-1906), astronomer
2. ALAN BARTLETT SHEPARD (1923-1998), astronaut


INVENTOR
1. LEE DE FOREST (1873-1961), inventor
2. .GEORGE EASTMAN (1854-1932), inventor

Other country Political Relatives
1. ELIZABETH II Queen of the UNITED KINGDOM (b. 1926)
2. ERSKINE HAMILTON CHILDERS (1905-1974), President of Ireland
3. Prince MICHEL PONIATOWSKI (1922-2002), French Minister of the Interior
4. Elizabeth Sperry m. Prince ANDRE PONIATOWSKI (1864-1954)
5. WILLIAM PITT (1759-1806), Prime Minister
6. JAN GARRIGUE MASARYK (1886-1948), Czech foreign minister
7. Mary Victoria Leiter m. GEORGE CURZON, 1st Marquess CURZON (1859-1924)
8. Ella Carleton Moore m. Count CARL GUSTAF von ROSEN (1824-1909)
9. Charlotte Garrigue m. TOMAS MASARYK (1850-1937), Czech president
10..Sir ROBERT LAIRD BORDEN (1854-1937), Canadian prime minister
11. Matilde Pacheco m. JOSÉ BATLLE y ORDONEZ (1856-1929), Pres of Uruguay
12. FREDERICK TEMPLE BLACKWOOD, 1 M DUFFERIN (1826-1902), Viceroy of India
13.BRICE LALONDE (b. 1946), Secretary of State of France 1988-1990
Environment Minister of France 1990-1992
candidate for President of France in 1981
14. Sir WINSTON LEONARD SPENCER-CHURCHILL (1874-1965), UK Prime Minister
15. Nancy Seymour Fincke m. JOHN DRUMMOND, 17th EARL OF PERTH
16. Sir EYRE COOTE (1760-1823), Governor of Jamaica
17. .EDWIN SANDYS (c1516-1588), Archbishop of York, m. Cecily Wilsford


RELIGIOUS
1.AVERY ROBERT DULLES (b. 1918), Cardinal (Dulles brothers)
2. WILFORD WOODRUFF (1807-1898), Mormon leader
3. ORSON PRATT (1811-1887), Mormon leader
4. PARLEY PARKER PRATT (1807-1857), Mormon leader, m. Mary Wood
5. GORDON BITNER HINCKLEY (b. 1910), president of the Mormon church
6. WILLIAM ELLERY CHANNING (1780-1842), theologian

PERSONS OF INTEREST
1. Ann Robbins ("NANCY DAVIS") m. RONALD REAGAN (1911-2004), US President
2. John WARNOCK Hinckley (attempted assassin)
3. BENEDICT ARNOLD (1741-1801), Revolutionary general and traitor
4. LIZZIE DREW BORDEN (1860-1927), murderer
5. LYNDON HERMYLE LAROUCHE
6. HUGH MARSTON HEFNER (b. 1926), publisher
7. Pamela Dwight m. THEODORE SEDGWICK (1746-1813), US Senator
8. Elizabeth Savage married. THOMAS HEYWARD (1746-1809), Signer
9. ARTHUR OCHS SULZBERGER (b. 1951), newspaper publisher
10. Flora Sheldon m. Samuel Prescott Bush
11. LEWIS COMFORT TIFFANY (1848-1933), lamp designer
12. CHARLES JULIUS GUITEAU (1841-1882), assassin
13. CHARLES STANLEY GIFFORD (1898-1965), allegedly father of:
.Norma Jean Mortenson/Baker (1926-1962), MARILYN MONROE
14. .Caroline Bayard Leroy married. DANIEL WEBSTER (1782-1852), US Senator
15. Hannah Milhous m. Frank Nixon
16. .(Laura) JANE ADDAMS (1860-1935), Nobel Peace Prize winner
17. JOHN ERNEST STEINBECK (1902-1968), author
18. Thomas Lanier ("TENNESSEE") WILLIAMS (1911-1983), playwright
19. WILLIAM PUTNAM BUNDY (1917-2000), editor
20. Hedwig Pinkus m. PAUL EHRLICH (1854-1916), Nobel Prize winner in Medicine
21.Clarissa Harlowe ("CLARA") BARTON (1821-1912), founder of the Red Cross
22. NORMAN PERCEVAL ROCKWELL (1894-1978), illustrator
23. RALPH WALDO EMERSON (1803-1882), philosopher and transcendentalist
24. JAMES BUTLER ("Wild Bill") HICKOK (1837-1876), U.S. Marshal

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

JOhn Kerry's is even more disturbing The Queen of England 13 presidents....all Obama supporters Kerry and Richardsons part of the good ol boys where we thought we had a choice only it was multiple choice of the entitled bluebloods...Hillary IS NOT one of them...don't let them fool you with words like CHANGE....

Posted by: Daryl | April 12, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Here is Barack Obama's lineage....Now it is easy to say who is the ESTABLISHMENT and the STATUS-QUO- he was tapped to become a politician
DESCENDANTS OF Barack Hussein Obama (born
PRESIDENTS:
1.Thomas WOODROW WILSON (1856-1924
2.GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH (b. 1924), US President, m. Barbara Pierce
3.GEORGE WALKER BUSH (b. 1946),
4. HARRY S. TRUMAN (1884-1972),
5.JAMES EARL CARTER (b. 1924), US President
6. JAMES MADISON
7 LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON
8 GERALD FORD

VP's
1. Richard Bruce Cheney

Winston Churchill

SENATORS:
1. BIRCH EVANS BAYH Jr
2. BIRCH EVANS BAYH III (Evan Bayh (Ind)
3. Robert Carlyle Sale, later ROBERT
CARLYLE BYRD

CONGRESS REP:
1.JOHN CHANEY (1790-1881), US Representative, m. Mary Ann Lafere
2. GALUSHA AARON GROW (1822-1907

SUPREME COURT JUSTICES:
1. GABRIEL DUVALL (1752-1844), US Supreme Court Justice
2. MAHLON PITNEY (1858-1924), US Supreme Court Justice, m. Florence Theodora Shelton

GOVERNORS:
1. JOHN ELLIS "Jeb" BUSH
2. HOWARD BRUSH DEAN III (VT)
3. Gov. THOMAS HINCKLEY (1619-1706

UK PRIME MINISTER:
1. Maurice) HAROLD MACMILLAN, 1st Earl of Stockton (1894-1986), UK Prime Minister

NOTABLE PERSONS:
1. Patricia Ann Paugh m. m. John Bennett Ramsey
2. JONBENET PATRICIA RAMSEY (1990-1996)
3. .GORDON BITNER HINCKLEY (b. 1910), president of the Mormon church
4. Dorothy Walker m. Prescott Sheldon Bush
5. JOHN WARNOCK HINCKLEY (b. 1955), attempted assassin Reagan (fixation on Jodie Foster)
6. JOHN SAMUEL WATERS Jr (b. 1946), filmmaker

NOBILITY:
1. Mary Victoria Leiter m. GEORGE NATHANIEL CURZON, 1st Marquess CURZON (1859-1924)
2. Bessie Wallis Warfield- Wallis, The Duchess of Windsor (previously Wallis Simpson; previously Wallis Spencer; born Bessie Wallis Warfield;
3. OLIVIER Comte de CAUMONT La FORCE

ASTRONAUTS:
1. JOHN HERSCHEL GLENN Jr

ARTISTS:
1. GEORGIA O'KEEFFE (1887-1986), artist
2. CHARLES SAMUEL ADDAMS (1912-1988), cartoonist


AUTHORS:
1. KEN ELTON KESEY (1935-2001
2. JOHN ERNEST STEINBECK (1902-1968),


INDUSTRIALISTS AND BUSINESS
1. JOHN PIERPONT MORGAN JR. (J.P. Morgan) (1867-1943), banker
2. GEORGE WASHINGTON RIGGS (1813-1881), banker
3. THEODORE NEWTON VAIL (1845-1920), founder of A T & T

JOURNALISTS:
1. ALEXANDER BRITTON HUME (Fox News) (b. 1943), journalist

Posted by: Obama hides behind humble and less fortunate with single mom | April 12, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

BO saying people are angry or bitter when losing a job - fine
BO saying some people choosing a surrogate issue for some displaced anger - fine

BO saying a whole class of people are bitter and clinging to religion etc out of frustration and anger is dumb and dumber and wrong

BO does not like being stereotyped - he says so over and over in his book

But to stereotype an entire group of people in many rust belt type states is fine if he does it -- and does it in SF in a private home in front of a group of millionaires - when he does not know he is being recorded

His revisionist versions of what he meant and what he said make it only worse - and now he apologizes for losing votes (read his apology - if I apologized like that I would not still be married).

Frankly - everyone here needs to read his first set of comments - not his corrected version of late. And to consider that he did not take the issue head on -- but said these things to private donators to his campaign.

Seems he gets close to key issues and says some smart things --- only after he is caught not leaving a racist church and speaking down to people

Why does BO only get to the real issues his fans love him for - his insight - his frankness - after he gets in hot water?

Posted by: Ted in Chicago | April 12, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Richardson is one of the ENTITLED ONES

Posted by: Marv | April 12, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Great post from UNK at 7:41 p.m.

I have read many commentaries here and I am amazed at the naivete (to say the least) of many of you that totally fail to see the smokescreen that Obama is. Some people would rationalize issues to death to try to defend a point even when logic is contrary to them.

Obama's comments came out inadvertently and they represent what he believes. They are totally out of zinc with the realities of our people. As a Politician I can say that he failed totally to understand the true values of the hard working people of Pennsylvania. These comments did not come out in true understanding of their values. More than anything they are pure frustration because he knows that after all he has done to win in Pennsylvania he will fail to caption this state.

More than the words is the feeling that inundates you of someone who is talking in a highly condescending manner and who failed to capture the essence of these folks. I visit this state often and know the economic situation affecting many of these individuals. But more than anything I see that they are people of faith and good values. Yes, there is a good number of individuals who have guns, and if you look at their roots you see the deep heritage of self-reliance that exists specially in rural Pennsylvania. Many towns have been affected by illegal immigrations and their concerns are quite legitimate.

So, summarizing these issues as ones of frustration proves how off the mark is Obama in understanding the psyche of many americans.
I think that Obama has come to America but America has not come into him!!!!

So, I would not accept any excuses given by his followers because THE TRUTH is finally coming out to hunt Obama to let us see that he is not the best candidate after all.

Obama has a thin resume and expects that we follow his promises of UNITY, HOPE and CHANGE. Well, his associations and these comments certainly prove that his JUDGEMENT, THRUTHFULNESS and CHARACTER are main issues in Obama proving himself to the American people.

Do you want to take such an enormous risk in voting for someone who really DOES NOT rise to the level of a candidate for Presidency? Our future and security of this nation is at stake and I cannot afford to see a lost election in November.

OBAMA= LOST ELECTION!!!!

And Florida and Michigan need to RE-VOTE!!!
Now more than ever!!!!!!

Posted by: Hispana | April 12, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Bill Richardson speaks of Entitlement and that he said Hillary felt entitled. Lets look at what an entitled pedigreed blueblood looks like then you will no wthat Richardson promised he would vote how his state went then went back on it...why the good ol boys one of his own another blue blood...here is Richardsons roots>>

PRESIDENTS
1.Richard Milhous Nixon
2.William Howard Taft
3. James Abram Garfield
4.Rutherford B Hayes
5. George Herbert Walker Bush
6. George Walker Bush
VP's
1. James Danforth Quayle
2. Hannibal Hamlin-1809-1891
SIGNERS: Declaration of Independence/Constitution/Articles of Confederation
1. JOHN HANCOCK (Dof I)

SUPREME COURT JUSTICES
1. William Hubbs Rehnquist
2. John Marshall Harlan
3. HORACE GRAY (1828-1902),

SPEAKER of the HOUSE
1. .NATHANIEL PRENTICE BANKS

SENATORS:
1. Orrin Grant Hatch (UT)
2. CHARLES SUMNER (1811-1874

CANADIAN PRIME MINISTERS:
1. LESTER BOWLES PEARSON (1897-1972

GOVERNOR's
1. Howard Brush Dean (VT)
2. Joshua Chamberlain (Me)
3. CULBERT LEVY OLSON (1876-1962)
4. CADWALLADER COLDEN WASHBURN (1818-1882), Governor of Wisconsin
5. .NATHANIEL PRENTICE BANKS
6. CHRISTINE TODD WHITMAN (NJ) (also EPA Administrator)
7. Jeb Ellis Bush (FL)

ASTRONAUT
1. Malcolm Scott Carpenter
2. DONALD KENT SLAYTON
ASTRONOMER
1. HENRY NORRIS RUSSELL

Posted by: Bill hides his lineage behind the facade of hispanic | April 12, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

to TOM V. from NW PA: THANK YOU for your thoughtful, insightful post.

i hope you and your neighbors decide to take a chance on change. i believe barack obama is the person for the job.

Posted by: philadelphia phreedom | April 12, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

The only thing Mr Obama is right about is in his speech in 2004 regarding his running for president in 2008, and he told everyone he wasn't experienced enough and he felt you need to know what you are doing...a great watch!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gexyfVpFMU

Posted by: Steven | April 12, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

I think Amy in Scranton is correct. This will come back and bite Hillary and McCain. Watching Hillary chastise Obama for telling it like it is...Poor Hill...that was painful to see. She did the same thing in Ohio regarding her NAFTA thing Obama exposed...which was also proved correct. She DID support NAFTA before the political winds changed. I was expecting Hillary to shake her finger and say "SHAME ON YOU BARACK OBAMA!!!" Maybe Bill will do that this time.

Posted by: Joyce | April 12, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

I live just outside one of those small Pennsylvania towns that Mr. Obama was describing. If anything, the economic situation around here is way worse, and has been so for far longer, than Obama's description. This is especially true in population has slowly spiraled downward. The demographics and economic realities have left Northwest PA with few opportunities for anyone.

To see the realities of the present one need only look at the history of Oil City --- birthplace of the oil industry and once a center of American industry and wealth. Where once John D. Rockefeller ran his oil and transportation empire there are now only historical remnants.

Across the past 40 to 50 years, Oil City PA lost its' glass plant, its' oil refinery, its' steel industry, and most of its' manufacturing base. In addition, both Quaker State and Penzoil moved out of state. The hospital has moved out of town, too.

Removing so many good jobs from a town of 11,000 has had predictably unfortunate consequences. The tax base has plummeted --- property taxes have shot up. A permanent state of high unemployment has set in --- welfare rolls have shot up. Talented youth have left to seek opportunity elsewhere. A 25 year long depression has left in its' wake primarily the poor and the old.

Obama was right. People in many small towns like Oil City have lost hope. The business are not coming back. But worse, there are no engines to power future economic recovery. High tech jobs simply don't exist in this world. While every candidate for every elected office promises a better future, it never seems to trickle down to NW PA.

I had occasion to do some polling for one of the political candidates. When I asked over 100 voters in NW PA what their principle concerns were in the upcoming presidential election, over 80% identified the poor economy. They talked about job losses and the increasing price gas and heating oil. They talked about the lack of opportunity for themselves and their children. They talked about how they were having problems paying higher and higher costs, especially for food and energy, with smaller and smaller incomes. In short, they voiced their despair.

This same despair has permeated the area for well over 50 years. Normally, the PA primary election is so late that the state receives little national notice or interest. But this year people outside PA are interested in both what people here think and for whom they are voting. And the people from NW PA are happy to oblige anyone who is interested in them.

Is it surprising that rural Pennsylvanians feel ignored by both political parties? Or that they feel distrust of politicians' promises that a better future is just around the corner of the next election?

At any arbitrary time since World War II people here were better off 10 years before that arbitrary time and were worse off 10 years later. The only consistent historical fact is that the long, sad, unrelenting economic and demographic spiral down has continued unabated and that talk of a reversal in that spiral have been empty promises.

Yet, through it all, the people here have, largely, sought refuge in beautiful churches, continued to enjoy the wonderful outdoor opportunities of hunting and fishing, and have continued to rely primarily upon themselves and their neighbors for support. They have maintained the fabric of society even in the face of devastating and prolonged economic depression.

Given their history of economic hardship, is it any wonder that the people of rural NW PA view change as something bad? To them change means the likely loss of opportunity, not enhanced opportunity.

And that reality is the context of both the question to Obama and his response. He was asked why people in small-town PA is resistant to his message of change. He replied that:

"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them...And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter."

Obama is spot on. People here ARE despairing and bitter. And, as he went on to observe, they DO seek comfort in religion, and the way things used to be (though I think Obama could have said it a bit more sensitively than he did).

People here resist change. And that is the reason why Obama has so much difficulty in rural and small-town PA.

Honestly, we want change. We want to believe that change is possible. We want to believe that we can effect our futures. But you will have to forgive us if we are a bit skeptical. Not skeptical of Obama, but skeptical of the promise of tomorrow.

Posted by: Tom V. from NW PA | April 12, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Yesterday Obama stood by his words and then when it didn't go away today he is very sorry for his words.Flip Flop Flip Flop!!

Posted by: Dan | April 12, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

all one has to do is read some of these anti-obama comments to see that americans are very, very bitter!!!

looks like mr.obama was right.

Posted by: philadelphia phreedom | April 12, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

sorry Yesterday Obama stood by his words and then when it didn't go away today he is very for his words.Flip Flop Flip Flop!!

Posted by: Dan | April 12, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Whether you live in a rural or metropolitan area, aren't you pissed off paying $3:50 for a gallon of gas ??

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Oh the bitterness of it, I'm sure Obama will be bitter when he loses big time this November, and frankly I don't care!

Posted by: Bart | April 12, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

I still don't see a problem here. Since when is being called "bitter" an insult? Isn't it pretty accurate?

Posted by: Jason | April 12, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

This is ridiculous. Obama is right, he may be an elitist, I don't know, but this comment does not make him one.
Of course the blue-collar workers are bitter, the economy is in a recession, they have lost their jobs, their taxes fund a never-ending war while they cannot put food on the table, 47 million are without healthcare, hell, I'm not blue-collar and I feel bitter when I think about it. Just because what Obama said was not politically correct it does not make him wrong.

Posted by: Nikki | April 12, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Lets not blame Clinton fo an Obama blunder, he's th eone who put his foot in his mouth not her, lets not forget the Bosnia incident when th eObam people pounced on Clinton . He who makes faux pas gets jumped on that the way it goes

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

All candidates are for nafta DON'T KID YOURSELF, IT WORKS IN SOME AREAS AND NOT IN OTHERS, SOME MODIFICATIONS ARE IN ORDER, BUT NEITHER CANDIDATE WILL GET RID OF IT.sounds like we have one of those compassionate conservatives what a twist of words that turned out to be

Posted by: Larry | April 12, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

THIS is a scandal??? BS!

We are bitter.
Our lifestyles are attacked.
And yes, many have passed gun, marriage, and immigrant laws to protect ourselves.

But it hasn't worked. And it hasn't worked because it's business as usual, Clinton-Bush economics that's attacking our lifestyles, not gays or immigrants.

If we want to get our jobs and futures back, we need a government that's looking out for working Americans. We're not going to get that from people like Bill and Hillary Clinton who make more than $13 MILLION a year from Washington and Saudi lobbyists.

Obama said THAT, and Clinton-McCain attacked them.

Talk about out of touch!!

This "scandal" will come back and bite Hillary and McCain in both their butts.

Posted by: Amy, Scranton PA | April 12, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

"Senator Clinton pounced on this first thing in the morning predictably."

I guess this is OK grammatically (or is it a dangling . . . something) but would not style suggest that the word "predictably" appear earlier in the sentence, such as "Predictably, Senator Clinton pounced on this first thing in the morning."

Posted by: Karl | April 12, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

I think your "girl" Hillary is doing ok moneywise. I think I'll pass on this one, and wait for the opportunity to vote for the woman who did it on her own. There are some talented, strong, independent women coming up. And I'm afraid Hillary - actually her partner - might mess it up for the women who follow.

Posted by: Gloria | April 12, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Joe Wilso wrote(Plame's husband...According to diplomat Joe Wilsom (Valerie Plame's husband) Barack Obama argues that he deserves the Democratic nomination and Hillary Clinton doesn't because he possesses superior "judgment," as he calls it, on the key issues we face as a nation. As definitive proof he offers one speech he made in 2002 during a re-election campaign for a state Illinois senate seat in the most liberal district in the state, so liberal that no other position would have been viable. When he made that speech, Obama was not privy to the briefings by, among others, Secretary of State Colin Powell, in support of the Authorization of Use of Military Force as a diplomatic tool to push the international community to impose intrusive inspections on Saddam Hussein.

Would Obama have acted differently had he been in Washington or had he had the benefit of the arguments and the intelligence that the administration was offering to the Congress debating that resolution and claims of WMD? During the 2002-2003 timeframe, Obama was a minor local official uninvolved in the national debate on the war so we can only judge from his own statements prior to the 2008 campaign. Obama repeated these points in a whole host of interviews prior to announcing his candidacy. On July 27, 2004, Obama told the Chicago Tribune on Iraq: "There's not much of a difference between my position and George Bush's position at this stage." In Obama's book, The Audacity of Hope, published in 2006, Obama wrote, "...on the merits I didn't consider the case against war to be cut-and- dried." And, in 2006, he clearly said, "I'm always careful to say that I was not in the U.S. Senate until Jan of 2005 , so perhaps the reason I thought it was such a bad idea was that I didn't have the benefit of US intelligence. And for those who did, it might have led to a different set of choices." Joseph Wilson (outed Cia agent Valerie Plames husband) was involved in that very debate in every step of the effort to prevent this senseless war and I profoundly resent Obama's distortion of George Bush's folly into Hillary Clinton's responsibility. I was in the middle of the debate in Washington. Obama wasn't there. I remember what was said and done. In fact, the administration lied in order to secure support for its war of choice, including cooking the intelligence and misleading Congress about the intent of the authorization. Senator Clinton's position, stated in her floor speech, was in favor of allowing the United Nations weapons inspectors to complete their mission and to build a broad international coalition. Bush rejected her path. It was his war of choice. Further Obama endorsers , Chris Dodd, John Kerry, Tom Daschle, Menendez all voted just as Hillary did. There is no credible reason to conclude that Obama would have acted any differently in voting for the authorization had he been in the Senate at that time. Indeed, Barack Obama has said as much.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

where is the OUTRAGE concerning NAFTA. and the clintons' support of it???

where is the OUTRAGE that the clintons have someone WORKING ON THEIR STAFF who openly advises/deals with the COLOMBIAN GOVERNMENT on free trade??

where is the OUTRAGE when clinton tells everybody a bold-faced LIE re. bosnian "sniper fire" over and over and over again?? she insulted the intelligence of MANY BITTER, ANGRY, RURAL and URBAN AMERICANS--including MILITARY PERSONNEL (talk about "demeaning")!!!

please allow senator OBAMA to get back to the ISSUES and his mission of taking america back from these thugs, liars, fools and warmongers!!!

OBAMA '08!

Posted by: caligirl | April 12, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Stop blaming the FALLOUT on the Clintons for OBAMA's intolerance. I am a working-class PA voter, and people are missing the big blunder: We are intolerant of those different from us. OBAMA has more than once displayed his intolerance. So, don't try to cover it OVER.

Posted by: max | April 12, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

I find it remarkable how these Liberal Democrats are saying how they identify with the blue collar working classes. Did Rockerfeller of West Virginia, Nance Pelosi of California, Harry Reid of Nevada, Feinstein of California, Obama of illinois and on and on ever hold a job having to get up every morning to go to work punch a timecard. They all are millionaires who never held a real job in their entire lives and all of a sudden they share our pain. What a bunch of bull dickey. If I am bitter its about all of these a--holes who have no idea what it's like to work and pay your taxes and not get what your paying for. None of them served their country other than on the public ti--y and now when they need our votes to perpeturate more of the same they tell us how they share our pain. Give me a break. They are all a part of the same hypocrisy. We need to vote for the candidate who will do the least harm Democrat or Republican.

Posted by: Candor | April 12, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

*quote*
John Anzalone, Democratic pollster: "I grew up in a blue collar environment. 'Bitter' was a more-than-appropriate description of blue collar families, especially middle-aged men who were living the American dream and content on their union wages in manufacturing who then faced a hopeless future. ... I think this whole line of attack by Clinton and McCain is [BS] and contrived. What do they know about economic anxiety. You think families in the Rustbelt care about the nuance of an adjective when they are hurting?"
*end quote*

EXACTLY!!!

Posted by: Luanne | April 12, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Everybody seems to have forgotten that the war was very popular when it started. Bush's approval rating was in 70-s. Why do you expect Hillary should have been the one to able to see in the future.
Obama, who was supposedly against the war said when he became a senator he might have voted for the war if he was in the senate than and voted to support it on every occasion.

Posted by: rjv | April 12, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

The good ole boys at the GOP will make sure you still got your religion, your guns , they'll damn abortion and swear about illegal immigrants, then they'll send your jobs to China , Colombia and Mexico . Just check your wallet at the door.As long as you are distracted by all the B.S. they keep winning at the polls and when the money is counted and all the hoopleheads keep voting against their own economic interests.

Posted by: majorteddy | April 12, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

There is an old saying "Dont listen to what they say, but watch what they do! That is something Obama has hidden very carefully, as he hasn't much to show for what he has done at all ..or will do...only what he hopes and dreams and his words he says that count....those are lofty words pandering to peoples hopes, but if you can't walk the walk, you shouldn't be talking the talk

Posted by: Roger | April 12, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Atten: Mr. Cillizza. Re: your column of 4-12-08. I'm not in love with any of the three candidates still running for office, because not one of them has any organizational excperience. If the democrat convention really wants to win, with a qualified candidate, they will find a way to nominate Pa. Governor Ed Rendell.
Noiw there's a qualified man with a track record for accomplishment that can be inspected. Sincerely: Cyrano.

Posted by: Cyrano | April 12, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

The Good ol Boy politicians, and their corp GOP press cronies want to try to force Hillary to quit the presidential race with spin, they want to keep discrimination against woman alive and well in washington dc . For them it's always been men only...they want to keep "The good ol boys club" No women allowed alive. Older woman have fought for the crumbs younger woman are reaping. Even though younger woman still don't make equal or near the big wages or get the big jobs reserved the boys.....Time has come and girls and woman of all ages should fight for their rights in 2008
"Girl Power" or we will always be kept back as 2nd class citizens..There are many woman presidents throughout the world.
We the U.S. are supposed to be a forward thinking country, at least they say we are, and yet we have kept the archaic good ol boys system and the exclusive top jobs and wages in the very exclusive good ol boys club-where there are NO WOMEN ALLOWED!! ..It was at least 50 years after men of all races gott the vote that those men in power finally allowed woman the 2nd class citizens the vote! Whats fair about that?? It's Time for some estrogen in the whitehouse.

Posted by: Susan | April 12, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

The above racist garbage logged in under my name was a disgusting effort to try and discredit my name and my previous posts. I resent others here who can not stand my support for HC by deliberately logging in under my name and making absolutely dispicable racist remarks, that comes from their own racism and then shamelesly attributing them to me. I ask the moderator to remove that post and that blogger.

My primary point tonight is that it is ridiculous for Obama supporters to turn this into a HC issue. Sen Obama simply screwed up and he is too intelligent to not understand that he did. By refusing to just simply issue a heartfilled apology and admit he made an honest error, he took this from a 1 or 2 days story to become a problem that will certainly haunt him if he unfortunately still becomes the nominee. Obama supporters can yell at me spin this insanely as a HC, but to do so would be to do so at their own peril and some of this I am starting to sense from calls made to undecided Pa voters today.

AND STOP IMMEDIATELY MAKING RACISTS REMARKS at 12:32 AND SIGNING IN UNDER MY NAME. That is truly disgusting.

Is this shameless posting an attempt not only to discredit me but to somehow dishonestly try and attribute those comments to HC. I ask the moderator to please look into those sham postings under my name.

Incidentally Carter Eskew ran for the US Senate as the democratic nominee in S. Carolina, who is now being marginalized by some bloggers.

CC: clean up this site and stop these childish slanderous tactics.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 12, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

I know how Obama can squirm out of this situation. Let him give another speech on "Race Relations in America"

Everybody will exclaim, "What a speech", and forget the reason why he was forced to give the speech. Worked with the pastor problem. Don't see it why it wouldn't work again. The hordes of Obama supporetrs and the dutiful MSM are would be too thankful to Obama for having given them a hook to hang their praises.

Posted by: Krishna | April 12, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

why i support hillay clinton...
Since you are so knowledgeable about Hillary Clinton....

How does Sen. Clinton plan to enforce her health insurance mandate?

Sen. Clinton said it's naive to advocate talking to our "enemies" So does she intend to follow the Bush doctrine? What ARE her plans to deal with Iran? Pakistan? Cuba? Venezuela?
Sen. Clinton support the Iraq invasion without bothering to read the intel reports? Would she also support a preemptive invasion of Iran?
Does Sen. Clinton plan to continue her close relationship with companies in India to import tech workers?

Posted by: Joyce | April 12, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

I love how Obama supporters respond that if he insults a group of people like he did with his "bitter" comment, it's the truth.

But when Bill says something in South Carolina, it's rude, inconsiderate, you name it.

Talk about double standard.

But there is one consistency with Obama supporters, no matter what happens, it's always the Clinton's fault. Even if their own guy screws up.

They are great a blaming others.

That's alright. Hillary can take the heat. The Republicans and Obama supporters have been bashing her for months, left her for dead in early March, and she battles on.

She's being outraised, outspent, outbashed, even taking the blame for her opponent's shortcomings.

Hillary is the kind of candidate we need for these tough times.

Posted by: Comment | April 12, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

To Benjamin French:
What was the hard part of Obamas's childhood?
To go to an expensive private high school in Hawaii? I wish I had that possibility. Or going to elite universities? Oh, please...
Hillary grew up middle class just like he did. They made all their money in the last 8 years.
Obama might be you favorite candidate but let's mot try to pretend that he grew up and he is a self-made millionaire.

Posted by: evelyn3091 | April 12, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Empty suit is as empty suit does.

Posted by: waterfrontproperty | April 12, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

He SHOULD have said "bitter, stupid, genetically deficient and inbred." But perhaps that wasn't quite politic.

When will the dread Hillary go away for good? A pathetic excuse for a human being....

Posted by: Jeff Wagner | April 12, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Obama campaign seem to clobber Hillary on her past decisions,accomplishments, and a record to run on, all the while the Illinois community organizer doesn't have a thing to run on, so he is ripping her apart on all these previous things. The only thing he had at all the ethics thing in his last year in the state senate I heard in Rezko's trial that certain people said "the ethics bill was all for show" Hillary needs to come back at him publically everytime the 20 questions come out on one of her past accomplishments, she should fire back where was he, did he vote on anything, who can prove he was for anything, all we have is his corrupt word. This jerks forte is organizing and signing people up, just as he did when Bill Clinton was running and he had a big voter registration for him....He's a good talker and convincer....but he needs to be hit where it hurts...credibility, accomplishments, more questions on his time in the Illinois senate. Ask him about the video that is on youtube where he said in 2004 he wasn't qualified to run for president in 2008. He is good at b.s......and talking...thats it, but he has soft spots...in his lack of experience, and his plans for all these changes... How can he make decisions when he can't even decide if he wants the votes counted (only when it favors him) or if he doesn't want the votes counted (because the votes don't favor him) he is a FLIP FLOPPER!

Posted by: Obama is a flip flopper!! | April 12, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Why did Obama say that his names Barack and Hussein were africa...that isn't true...look up african or kenyan names...no such names..Baraka Arabic for Blessing
Hussein is a muslim name
Barakah means Male Blessing
Barakah,or Baraka can be given to a female and means Blessing; white one

Posted by: Barry | April 12, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

The Obama they're in love with is the creatinon of political consultants.

The real Barry Obama is arrogant and incompetent.

He's like Bush on Steroids.

They have no idea what kind of a guy he really is.

If they did, they'd drop him like a hot potato.

He's nothing like his public image.

Remember how Bush got elected because of a fake persona?

Its happening again with Obama.

Posted by: Obama supporters need to open their eyes | April 12, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

wish Obama suppporters would do some real research on both candidates.

If they knew who the real Obama was, and who Hillary Clinton really is, they'd drop him and support her.

I support Hillary Clinton because she has the best ideas for solving the toughest problems we face as a nation and as a planet.

She's got the best mind for policy on capital hill.

She's got the best thought out policy proposals.

She knows her stuff better than anyone else who's running.

You can see it in the debates.

You can see it in her interviews.

Thats where you the the real person.

Not when they're giving canned speeches.

She's smart, tough, and compassionate.

She's got both great vision and a tremendous command of the details.

She's a great woman and a great American.

She's going to be a great President.

That's why I support Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Why I support Hillay Clinton | April 12, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

The irony that Obama trying to explain to an audience of wretched white rich liberals in San Francisco what wrong with patriotic God fearing working class whites in rural Pennsylvania!

Posted by: Theaz | April 12, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

i am so relieved to see that some people are not falling for the "fallout" from this intended misinterpretation of obama's statement. i think he spoke the truth and touched upon another reality, like race, that many have strong feelings about but are hesitant to speak about. i don't live in a small town, but i'm sure as heck "bitter" about my finances or lack thereof and the dismal state of the state i live in. enough already about twisting the words of the candidates and let the real issues be the talk of the day.

again, america, i salute you for letting your insight and intellect cut the legs right from under this media-contrived story.

Posted by: bev | April 12, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

For those Obama supporters who trash Hillary for every slip or slide of her speech, just remember this slur, that Obama is getting trashed for.

And remember, too, the old arcane-ity:

"What went around, goes around, and maybe even will come back around; unless from quantum perspective, it will forever go around, depending on the velocity. And if, of course, it doesn't get lost in a snow storm." Or something like that.

Posted by: paul taylor | April 12, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

The problem that many voters have with Obama is that he speaks the truth and doesn't candy-coat it.

Posted by: nkclark | April 12, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Barakah (blessed) was his name Hussein meaning beautiful or handsome
but these are not african or kenyan names these are muslim names

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Well, there you have it. The Clintons have officially gone over to the other side. I guess we should have had an inkling, when Bill was cozying up to Poppy Bush. Now we have Hillary Clinton returning to her Republican Goldwater Girl roots and calling her fellow Democrat an ELITIST, for crying out loud...that's Republican speak. I hope the middle-class working people can see past this smoke screen. Obama has actually lived and worked with people with people whose steel mill jobs disappeared in Chicago. So, I think he knows what happens when people lose their jobs and pensions.

Posted by: Jack | April 12, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

If we are talking about elitists, Hillary Clinton and McCain names should come first. Who are we going to kid? Barack, "give them hell!" McCain's father was an admiral and his grandfather also one, I believe. Compare John McCain's childhood with Barack's childhood! Compare Hillary's childhood with Barack's childhood. Who are we trying to kid!
I understand that the 100-millionaires Hillary and Bill Clinton do not understand the frustation and bitterness of working people who have problems making the ends of each month meet! Of course, Hillary pretends to take the cause of the poors and the under-priviledged's! We, the American people, and the people of the great State of Pennsylvania are not going to be fooled!

Posted by: Benjamin French | April 12, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

I want to support Hillary if Barack doesn't prevail, but she's making it tough for me. She's obviously hoping he makes a huge gaffe so she has a prayer and is willing to blow something like this out of proportion. Hillary, please stop.

Posted by: Ward |
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You would never support Hillary. Hillary didn't make this stupid statement, Obama did. How can you blame Hillary and how can you blame her for pointing his dumbness out
Aren't you Obamanites getting tired of trying to put this bonehead's words in another context. Didn't I read today about him needing a context interpreter. It is getting to that point.

Posted by: Chief | April 12, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Let me get this straight: Obama is "elitist" to suggest that people who've had their good-paying jobs snatched away and now put $4-a-gallon gas into their cars to deliver pizza are feeling bitter and frustrated? Every time I think that Clinton, McCain, and their pals in the media can't rise to a higher level of hypocrisy, they succeed in proving me wrong. Obama is right on target when he points out that many working people have given up on the idea that the government is going to do anything to protect their jobs or help improve their economic situation. So it makes sense that they at least try to make their voices heard on guns, and religious and social issues. Eliitism has nothing to do with that argument. It amazes me that the Clintons, with their $100 million payday, and McCain, with his beer heiress wife and lobbyist buddies, would have the gaul to accuse Obama of being an elitist.

Posted by: Mark Williams | April 12, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

I really think the out-of-work people in PA ought be more outraged what the Clinton's NAFTA has done to them, than Obama describing their feeling as "bitter."

While we're at it let us remember that
Obama has not been cited for an outright lie in this prolonged primary, e.g. Hillary's false sniper story on her visit to Bosnia. What about her duplicitous situation with her top poll advisor Penn being in bed with the Colombians on the trade proposal, while she characterizes herself as against NAFTA, not to mention Slick Willie enriching the Clinton Larder by an $800,000 fee for work on behalf of the Colombian Trade deal?

Let's face it, the arrogant, power-hungry Clintons are on the ropes in this primary, and no lie or grovelling is too much for them as they try to put Hillary over the top. Facts are a terrible thing to face, and the numerical facts are too overwheliming for these two egomaniacs to overcome. Forrest Gerard


Posted by: Forrest Gerard | April 12, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Let me get this straight: Obama is "elitist" to suggest that people who've had their good-paying jobs snatched away and now put $4-a-gallon gas into their cars to deliver pizza are feeling bitter and frustrated? Every time I think that Clinton, McCain, and their pals in the media can't rise to a higher level of hypocrisy, they succeed in proving me wrong. Obama is right on target when he points out that many working people have given up on the idea that the government is going to do anything to protect their jobs or help improve their economic situation. So it makes sense that they at least try to make their voices heard on guns, and religious and social issues. Eliitism has nothing to do with that argument. It amazes me that the Clintons, with their $100 million payday, and McCain, with his beer heiress wife and lobbyist buddies, would have the gaul to accuse Obama of being an elitist.

Posted by: Mark Williams | April 12, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

I B. Hussein at the mosque today. We washed our feet together and then listened to brother FarraKKKhan preach about black superiority for 5 hours. My wife and Michelle Obama had matching burqas! I just love that light blue color in the spring.

Michelle was popping off at dinner about what a racist Hillary was, as well as most white people, especially whiteys that work. She said they just don't understand but when Barry gets in they'll show the US of KKK A that they don't take no sh*t from nobody!!

Posted by: Habib El-Hassan Alibaba | April 12, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

I don't see the point in quoting these Republican consultants. Their "take" on the subject is just a line of Republican crap. All they are doing is applying for a position with the McCain campaign, because obviously they don't have a job now.

Posted by: Jeremy from Atlanta | April 12, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Obama's remarks reflect elitism, but his attempt to spin away from his real views represents the second stage problem--as his credibility has seemed fine until now. The third stage problem involves the political ineptitude of a rookie without a history to save him from the electorate. He is finished as a candidate for presidential nomination.

Posted by: ed fairness | April 12, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

I B. Hussein at the mosque today. We washed our feet together and then listened to brother FarraKKKhan preach about black superiority for 5 hours. My wife and Michelle Obama had matching burqas! I just love that light blue color in the spring.

Michelle was popping off at dinner about what a racist Hillary was, as well as most white people, especially whiteys that work. She said they just don't understand but when Barry gets in they'll show the US of KKK A that they don't take no sh*t from nobody!

Posted by: Habib El-Hassan Alibaba | April 12, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The hard-working small-town people of Pa. may be bitter, but they aren't dumb. They are not going to fall for McHillary's patronizing drivel. They ARE angry, and they have a right to be. And when Obama identifies with their struggle, as he did last week, he is pinpointing the issues that will insure his victory over the smug McClintonites -- his victory for the American people.

Posted by: Bobby O | April 12, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The hard-working small-town people of Pa. may be bitter, but they aren't dumb. They are not going to fall for McHillary's patronizing drivel. They ARE angry, and they have a right to be. And when Obama identifies with their struggle, as he did last week, he is pinpointing the issues that will insure his victory over the smug McClintonites -- his victory for the American people.

Posted by: Bobby O | April 12, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Brian:

Give us a break! Your post is way too long. If I want to read War and Peace, I'll get the book.

Posted by: michael4 | April 12, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Brian:

Give us a break! Your post is way too long. If I want to read War and Peace, I'll get the book.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

What was Senator Obama thinking? Doesn't he know that it is forbidden to say anything sincerely thoughtful and meaningful during a campaign? Bring on the platitudes and empty promises instead. Learn to bowl! Drink coffee instead of orange juice! Learn to josh and give inane nicknames to reporters so they feel chummy. STOP THINKING!!

Posted by: annegreen | April 12, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Brian:

Give us a break! Your post is way too long. If I want to read War and Peace, I'll get the book.

Posted by: michael4 | April 12, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Brian:

Give us a break! Your post is way too long. If I want to read War and Peace, I'll get the book.

Posted by: michael4 | April 12, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The hard-working small-town people of Pa. may be bitter, but they aren't dumb. They are not going to fall for McHillary's patronizing drivel. They ARE angry, and they have a right to be. And when Obama identifies with their struggle, as he did last week, he is pinpointing the issues that will insure his victory over the smug McClintonites -- his victory for the American people.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Brian:

Give us a break! Your post is way too long. If I want to read War and Peace, I'll get the book.

Posted by: michael4 | April 12, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Brian:

Give us a break! Your post is way too long. If I want to read War and Peace, I'll get the book.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Brian:

Give us a break! Your post is way too long. If I want to read War and Peace, I'll get the book.

Posted by: michael4 | April 12, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The hard-working small-town people of Pa. may be bitter, but they aren't dumb. They are not going to fall for McHillary's patronizing drivel. They ARE angry, and they have a right to be. And when Obama identifies with their struggle, as he did last week, he is pinpointing the issues that will insure his victory over the smug McClintonites -- his victory for the American people.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

I B. Hussein at the mosque today. We washed our feet together and then listened to brother FarraKKKhan preach about black superiority for 5 hours. My wife and Michelle Obama had matching burqas! I just love that light blue color in the spring.

Michelle was popping off at dinner about what a racist Hillary was, as well as most white people, especially whiteys that work. She said they just don't understand but when Barry gets in they'll show the US of KKK A that they don't take no sh*t from nobody!

Posted by: Habib El-Hassan Alibaba | April 12, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

I B. Hussein at the mosque today. We washed our feet together and then listened to brother FarraKKKhan preach about black superiority for 5 hours. My wife and Michelle Obama had matching burqas! I just love that light blue color in the spring.

Michelle was popping off at dinner about what a racist Hillary was, as well as most white people, especially whiteys that work. She said they just don't understand but when Barry gets in they'll show the US of KKK A that they don't take no sh*t from nobody!

Posted by: Habib El-Hassan Alibaba | April 12, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

I want to support Hillary if Barack doesn't prevail, but she's making it tough for me. She's obviously hoping he makes a huge gaffe so she has a prayer and is willing to blow something like this out of proportion. Hillary, please stop.

Posted by: Ward | April 12, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

The hard-working small-town people of Pa. may be bitter, but they aren't dumb. They are not going to fall for McHillary's patronizing drivel. They ARE angry, and they have a right to be. And when Obama identifies with their struggle, as he did last week, he is pinpointing the issues that will insure his victory over the smug McClintonites -- his victory for the American people.

Posted by: Bobby O | April 12, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

The entire country is bitter, and if McCain and Hillary cant see that, then hey are the one's who are out of touch! They try to use this to score some cheap political points, but it is the media who is really trying to drive this story into something bigger then it really is!

Obama hit it right on the head! At least he tells the truth! I am from PA, and I know a ton of bitter people who feel that Mexicans are taking their jobs, and are angry! What he saidis right on the money and he is more in touch with the regualr people more then the other two combined. I was goingto vote for Hillary, but because she is such a phoney and using this for her benifit, when Obama never used the Bosnia story to hisown benifit, I will vote for Obama. I need a president that talks to me as an adult

Posted by: Dan | April 12, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Of course, he did tell the truth. Hell, I'm bitter about a lot of things, not to mention a lying government that uses my tax money to fund a stupid war. I"m just glad I have a stinking job.

Posted by: michael4 | April 12, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Senator Obama's comments would be a great deal for those who think that economy, foreign policy, the Iraq's war and the Congress handling of the Iraq war, which was based on the claims about weapons of mass destruction, are all less important issues than what Mr. Obama said. I hope people get the point!

Posted by: Fred | April 12, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Sigh. Here we go again.

Obama speaks to voters (all of whom, it turns out, are over 18 years of age) like they are acutal adults instead of halfwitted infants watching cartoons. McClinton pulls a few words out context and screams that Obama just insulted the patriotic, uncomplaining, optimistic, salt of the earth working class small town voters. The MSM immediately goes into fullblown Freakshow freakout mode, because they just know that any time a politician says something that doesn't sound like a soothing focus group tested platitudes, it means he gaffed and will surely be punished for it. McClinton floods the zone with condecending platitudes and the MSM laps it up--"there, see? That's how a politician is supposed to talk to voters."

And, now, right on schedule, to find out how this important development will play with the working class voters who are the supposed injured parties, Chris Czilla immeidately solicits the thoughts of . . . wait for it . . .

yes, that's right a half dozen Beltway poliical consultants.

Sheesh. You guys inside the MSM-Consultantocracy Industrial Complex are to ideas what European royalty were to family planning.

Posted by: Typical Beltway MSM Freakshow Cluelessness | April 12, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Clinton's behavior is despicable on this one- which is no surpise. However, she did inspire me to give more money to Obama.

God forbid that Obama says something real unlike Clinton's phony junk.

The Washington Post and New York Times ought to be criticizing Clinton's veracity and opportunism with appropriate headlines. These paper's should not be spinning this as an Obama damage control thing- we are tired of the MSM being sensationalist.

Posted by: doug M | April 12, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Clinton's behavior is despicable on this one- which is no surpise. However, she did inspire me to give more money to Obama.

God forbid that Obama says something real unlike Clinton's phony junk.

The Washington Post and New York Times ought to be criticizing Clinton's veracity and opportunism with appropriate headlines. These paper's should not be spinning this as an Obama damage control thing- we are tired of the MSM being sensationalist.

Posted by: doug M | April 12, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

I don't see whats so wrong with Obama being a muslim, even if he did have radical teachings like tose Taliban, it doesn't mean he will use them. I just feel sad he feels the need to hide that he is

Posted by: Keisha | April 12, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

I don't see whats so wrong with Obama being a muslim, even if he did have radical teachings like tose Taliban, it doesn't mean he will use them. I just feel sad he feels the need to hide that he is

Posted by: Keisha | April 12, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

I don't see whats so wrong with Obama being a muslim, even if he did have radical teachings like tose Taliban, it doesn't mean he will use them. I just feel sad he feels the need to hide that he is

Posted by: Keisha | April 12, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Barrack Obama may be bitter when he loses this election in November

Posted by: Randy | April 12, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

It is with extreme disgust that I write this letter and say what will certainly be considered covinous by some of my peers. Nonetheless, it must be stated that now is not the time to go wobbly on our opposition to Sen. Barack H Obama's xenophobic perversions. To start, if we can understand what has caused the current plague of the most vulgar nabobs of Pyrrhonism I've ever seen, I believe that we can then get Sen. Obama off our backs. His stories about exclusivism are particularly ridden with errors and distortions, even leaving aside the concept's initial implausibility. This is not Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia, where the state would be eager to acquire public acceptance of Sen. Obama's presumptuous smears. Not yet, at least. But mingy and fickle, Sen. Obama's obiter dicta resemble a dilapidated shed. Kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will collapse, proving my claim that Sen. Obama parrots whatever ideas are fashionable at the moment. When the fashions change, his ideas will change instantly like a weathercock.

Doesn't Sen. Obama realize that I'm not actually demanding revenge? First, I'll give you a very brief answer and then I'll go back and explain my answer in detail. As for the brief answer, we must raise treacherous pests out of their cultural misery and lead them to the national community as a valuable, united factor. Only then can a society free of his bumptious conclusions blossom forth from the roots of the past. And only then will people come to understand that he has already been able to convince people that their peers are already riding the Barack H Obama bandwagon and will think ill of them if they don't climb aboard, too. What worries me more than that, however, is that if Sen. Obama ever manages to reduce religion to a consumer item in a spiritual supermarket, that's when the defecation will really hit the air conditioning. Following this line of logic, it would appear that each rung on the ladder of irrationalism is a crisis of some kind. Each crisis supplies an excuse for Sen. Obama to replicate the most obtuse structures of contemporary life. That is the standard process by which brown-nosing sensualists of one sort or another steal the fruits of other people's labor.

We must remove our chains and move towards the light. (In case you didn't understand that analogy, the chains symbolize Sen. Obama's headlong threats and the light represents the goal of getting all of us to reinvigorate our collective commitment to building and maintaining a sensitive, tolerant, and humane community.) Sen. Obama doesn't want us to know about his plans to use revisionism as a more destructive form of ethnocentrism. Otherwise, we might do something about that. His personal motto is "never forgive and never forget", to put it mildly. His goal is to rip apart causes that others feel strongly about. This is abject neocolonialism! You may not be aware of this, but Sen. Obama's a financial predator who preys on the elderly, the gullible, and the vulnerable. He seeks their assets to support his own lavish lifestyle. Keep that in mind while I state the following: Even if one isn't completely conversant with current events, the evidence overwhelmingly indicates that my message has always been that we need to change Sen. Obama's principles for the same reason that one needs to change a baby's diapers. For that reason, he dreams of a time when he'll be free to make a fetish of the virtues of spiteful Marxism. That's the way he's planned it and that's the way it'll happen -- not may happen but will happen -- if we don't interfere, if we don't do what needs to be done.

I know very few featherbrained, insensitive reprobates personally but I know them well enough to surmise that Sen. Obama's claims promote a redistribution of wealth. This is always an appealing proposition for Sen. Obama's toadies because much of the redistributed wealth will undoubtedly end up in the hands of the redistributors as a condign reward for their loyalty to Sen. Obama. For those of you who don't know, it's irrelevant that my allegations are 100% true. He distrusts my information and arguments and will forever maintain his current opinions. Yes, I realize that I have no idea why Barack H Obama wannabees have sprouted across the country like mushrooms after a downpour, but for the sake of brevity I've had to express myself in simplified terms. I had a conversation recently with some brainless, sappy practitioners of antagonism who were trying to make me the target of a constant, consistent, systematic, sustained campaign of attacks. That conversation convinced me that Sen. Obama is planning to alter laws, language, and customs in the service of regulating social relations. This does not bode well for the future because he should clarify his point so people like you and me can tell what the heck he's talking about. Without clarification, his theatrics sound lofty and include some emotionally charged words but don't really seem to make any sense.

Sen. Obama is reluctant to resolve problems. He always just looks the other way and hopes no one will notice that there are some laughable, peremptory louts who are predatory. There are also some who are closed-minded. Which category does Sen. Obama fall into? If the question overwhelms you, I suggest you check "both". Sen. Barack H Obama has become increasingly stinking ever since childhood. Period, finis, and Q.E.D.

Posted by: burningspleen | April 12, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

I'm tired of hearing Republican know-it-alls from the South or some country club calling us the "Rust Belt". Now that's an insult. You bet we're bitter, bitter that our jobs went south, bitter that our tax dollars go to places like Mississippi and Alabama where they refuse to pay enough local taxes to pay for schools, bitter that gas prices are going through the roof. Bitter is another word for mad as hell. The Republican liars can just go to hell.

Posted by: Truthmonger | April 12, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I truly hope HRC gets the nomination. The Republicans will eviscerate her. I can't wait. This will be such an enjoyable fall. She doesn't even know what it means to be "vetted" yet. Hang on, folks!

Posted by: steveD | April 12, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

What a HUGE mistake in not making this an agressive response. IT WAS NOT A POOR CHOICE OF WORDS. The people in the "Rust Belt" ARE bitter about their prospects for the future. AND when POLITICIANS like HILLARY CLINTON make PROMISES to bring hundreds of thousands of blue collar jobs back -- AS SHE DID in her NY election campaign -- and then FAILS to produces ANYTHING -- well what do you expect? OF COURSE THEY ARE BITTER and that is the PERFECT adjective to describe it.

Crimany. Put HER on the defensive. This is the WORST she can come up with? SHE IS NO MORE CREATIVE THAN McCain!

Posted by: Diane W | April 12, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Obama is an elitest harvard snob.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

This is such a bogus controversy. And I don't believe there's really an "uproar" over this - except among commentators and reporters.

Posted by: Sarah | April 12, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Supporters of John McCain are enjoying the weekend.

Democrats, talk among yourselves.

America is listening.

Posted by: Ed | April 12, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Its sickening to read from Americans and to see how shallow minded they are... How can Sen. Clinton and the likes of McCain call Obam an Elitist. The same group of people who said his childhood days was troublesome, with drugs and the like. Now they call him an Elitist. Funny America, I guess it is pay back time for Americans for all thye have done to the World, because as the hand writings on the wall shows, the likes of Clinton and McCain would Kill to push Obama out of the race. So America, would continue to go into the drain as Robert Mugabe and his Zimbabwe are going.... With Sen Clinton, the War Zone veteran of Bosnia and McCain the Iraq stay the course Senator... America is doomed!!!! A vote for Sen. Clinton or a vote for Sen. McCain, is a vote for doom.
They will attack Obama, because they have been in touch with their Lobbyists and not the "Bitter" hard working American People.

Posted by: Chrys | April 12, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Obama is "elitist". The Clinton's and their supporters sure sound like Republicans when they level that charge.

Posted by: Andrew | April 12, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

This, too, shall pass notwithstanding the hopes of the Clinton-McCain tag team effort for these reasons among others: http://acropolisreview.com/2008/04/top-reasons-to-give-barack-obama-your.html

Posted by: Tina | April 12, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

I am watching a similar phenomenon. We all remember when George Bush got appointed by the supreme court to president, and how unfair and horrifying democrats and liberals felt it was. The corporate owned press favored Bush at all costs for all 8 years just about. Things like the downing St Memo, which we all knew about, but if we had held our breath and waited for it to be mentioned on TV or MSNBC, CNN or Fox news we would have all been dead!. This same corporate press which has always been the republican machine favors Barrack Obama now!...That frightens me.
WHY DO THE CORPORATE PRESS HATE HILLARY? democrats always loved Bill Clinton and Hillary...ARE we listening to the only people who hate Bill and Hillary.........REPUBLICANS??? hmmnn .........most people I have asked don't really have a reason when they say they hate her......they are sort of at a loss for words other than the blown out of proportion Bosnia exaggeration....big deal that is better than giving favors to indicted businessmens sons...isn't it?

Ok like everyone else I am supposing you have been swept up in all the CHANGE campaign stuff and are for Sen Obama.

People especially politicians will say and do anything to get elected, and they are notorious liars.

The corporate press have remarkably brought up stupid things like Hillary's Bosnia exaggeration, and Chelsea not wanting to talk about her dads sexual escapades. But let me make it clear, you are still hearing nothing about Barrack Obama's past, especially in the Illinois senate.

There is no talk about Rezko connections, as usual corporate press either ignores or barely mentions things they don't want you to hear. That may be good if you are voting for Obama, but it is still the press doing the same ol thing...........and why for this candidate...he's a democrat? We need to question perhaps republicans want to run against him, as they feel they can beat him, nne of us really know this.

Rezko was indicted you probably know the story Obama had ties for over 17 years with the guy even had dinners at times with wives...dropped in on Rezko's business meetings, wrote letters on behalf and gave an intern position to one of Rezkos friends son. Rezko also does business with an ex-Saddam Hussein aide, and owes lots of money to the guy This would be considered favors, and I would think newsworthy, but NO! Why no mention this is eerily like George Bush days and the corporate press....just open up a little just enough to realize what is in fact going on....I'm not trying to put a pox on your candidate......I just want you to remember back......all the stuff you never heard!!! and realize all the stuff you are not hearing about Obama!!!

Obama evidently bounced from Hawaii to Los Angeles to Columbia U in NYC and then Chicago for a job...and to Mass and Harvard Law.......why settle in Chicago??? The Illinois senate has been a cesspool of corruption for decades..Back in the 1960's they(Illinois senate) censured a member, Senator Paul Simon (then serving as a state senator), for being too honest and exposing senate corruption.Matters have not changed much.
THINGS ARE NOT ALWAYS AS THEY SEEM????
Obama tapped financial services firms, real estate developers, healthcare providers, oil companies, and many other corporate interests, the records show, and behind Obama's campaign rhetoric about taking on special interests lies a more complicated truth.
He may have been a very good lawyer and maybe got elected to some office, but if he hadn't come to Chicago, he would not have had the kind of support to push him where he is now." BY KIND OF SUPPORT HE MEANS THE MACHINE - OF WHICH TED KENNEDY (WHOSE FAMILY OWNED THE HUGE CHICAGO MART FROM 1945 TO 1988, AND WHO IS STILL TIED TO THE DALEY MACHINE) AND ANTOIN REZKO ARE BIG AND LONGTIME PLAYERS. Before Obama ran for U.S. Senate in 2004, he was virtually unknown even in his own state. Polls showed fewer than 20 percent of Illinois voters had
ever heard of Barack Obama

But, as a state senator, Obama evaded leadership on a host of critical community issues, from historic preservation to the rapid demolition of nearby public-housing projects, according to many South Siders. Even in Hyde Park, Obama declined to take a position on a
years-long battle waged by hundreds of local community activists fighting against the city's plan to replace the historic limestone seawall along Lake Michigan -- a popular spot to sunbathe and swim -- with concrete steps.
Obama's aloofness on key community issues for years frustrated Lucas and many other South Siders.Now they believe he was just afraid of making political enemies or being pigeonholed as a black candidate. Obama inflamed many residents in his old state Senate district . Check out the strong arm tactics Obama used in his state election..

When Obama ran for congress , Obama was painted by his opponant Bobby Rush as an out-of-touch ELITIST!, and Bobby won the 2000 primary by more than 30 percentage points. and Obama lost.

Obama's US Senate campaign committee, starting with his successful run in 2004, has collected $128,000 from lobbyists and $1.3 million from PACs, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, a nonprofit organization that tracks money in politics. His $1.3 million from PACs represents 8 percent of what he has raised overall. Clinton's Senate committee, by comparison, has raised $3 million from PACs, 4 percent of her total amount raised, the group said.In addition, Obama's own federal PAC, Hopefund, took in $115,000 from 56 PACs in the 2005-2006 election cycle out of $4.4 million the PAC raised, according to CQ MoneyLine, which collects Federal Election Commission data.

Though Obama has returned thousands of dollars in campaign contributions from registered federal lobbyists since he declared his candidacy in February, his presidential campaign has maintained ties with lobbyists and lobbying firms to help raise some of the $58.9 million he collected through the first six months of 2007. Obama has raised more than $1.4 million from members of law and consultancy firms led by partners who are lobbyists, The Los Angeles Times reported last week.

And The Hill, a Washington newspaper, reported earlier this year that Obama's campaign had reached out to lobbyists' networks to use their contacts to help build his fund-raising base.

This activity, along with Obama's past contributions from lobbyists and PACs, has drawn fire from opposing campaigns.

Obama then used those PAC contributions -- including thousands from defense contractors, law firms, and the securities and insurance industries -- to build support for his presidential run by making donations to Democratic Party organizations and candidates around the country.analysts say Obama, by casting himself as an uncorrupted good-government crusader, has set himself up for charges of hypocrisy.
On Sen Clintons site under fact check she has shown he ook money fromm oil companies and he took money from lobbtyists by way of bundled things

WE shuold and by we I mean the corporate press should be asking questions about Obama's past, as if just by saying you will make changes won't make it so, he avoided making any stances in the past in the illinois senate...and his big ethics bill he touts , well it was brought up in court the other day in the (Rezko trial) as it was done "just for show" Obama has no credentials, and yet the press doesn't even delve into the past state job he did have why?

They will tear Chelsea down for stupid things or knock Hillary for exaggerating Bosnia trip.......but exaggerating means at least there was something to exaggerate, whereby Obama has nothing on his plate to offer except his message of hope and change, and if we did find out he wasn't who he claims to be...or had a less than nothing record in the state senate, or maybe is found to be pandering or giving favors in the Rezko trial then what??/

I read that he did nothing in all his years in the state senate til his last year when some republicans were voted out and many blacks were voted in to include Senate President Emil Jones, who Obama asked him to make him a senate.

All I ask is that people that research stuff like you do , look at this like you would have when Bush got in...the corporate press didn't bring up anything bad, and now they are doing the same for Obama....why?
The republicans are still in control of the corporate press!

Have the corporate press turned into democrats...I DON'T THINK SO......so what is up with the press as they are extremely biased especially MSNBC owned by GE a govt contractor, FOX, WALL ST JOURNAL now owned by Rupert Murdoch , CNN time Warner especially Jack Cafferty.

We should be looking at this long and hard as it looks as though liberals are beuing duped by their own valition, due to a biased press, swaying the public

Posted by: Brian | April 12, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

WHO CARES? Anybody who is NOT bitter about the last seven years of Bush's horrible presidency has been in a coma. The way all the Beltway gasbags and Fox "News" are trying to play this up is PATHETIC. NOBODY CARES.

In the meantime, the so-called "maverick" John Mc Cain hires more neocons who lied us into Iraq, hires old-timer GOP hack Charlie Black, hires K Street lobbyists by the dozens, and cozies up to right-wing religious lunatics like Rod Parsely and John Hagee. When Mc Cain says three (3) times that Iran is training Al Qaeda --this is passed off by the media as a minor "misspeak" ...all while the press eagerly lines up for BBQ at his home in Sedona.

Posted by: losthorizon10 | April 12, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Here we go again! When are voters going to turn on "real issues" rather these media hyped inane issues.

Obama does not need to apologize. People are angry and bitter. I am one of them. This country is hurting. When people do not see a way out, they do lash out and blame. Is that fair, NO, but it is human.

Hillary Clinton had my respect, but no longer. I hate "slash and burn campaigning". I don't want a President who will call to the worst in us, rather than our "better angels".

This country has had enough of demonizing one another. I want something better. If we cannot stand another President who will say or do anything to get elected. "Swiftboating" is terrible. I had thought that Hillary Clinton was above that kind of politics. How naive I was.

So Disappointed and Saddened!

Posted by: Rosalind | April 12, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm angry with Clinton and McCain because they are doing exactly what Obama is talking about. They are expressing outrage at what Obama said, just to score political points. They're using their phony outrage to distract from the reality that people ARE frustrated. And, yes people do eventually give up on Washington promises. Instead, they focus on what is brought up by the media and politicians - like guns, gays, religion (e.g. Romney's Mormonism), obama's pastor - stuff that drives wedges and distracts from bread and butter issues. That's the way it is now. And that's why we have to get off this downward path.

Posted by: Joyce | April 12, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

To be lectured by Senator Clinton on small towns is crazy. PLEASE. I've lived in two small towns - both lost their factories and suffered under Bush Clinton Bush and YES they are bitter.

Barack Obama understands the political obstacles that small town people face.

Robert P. Koontz
Major, US Marine Corps Reserve (Retired)

Posted by: Robert P. Koontz | April 12, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: | April 12, 2008 7:47 PM :

Have you ever heard of the Keating 5? That is all anyone need say about McCain's corruption and elitism. Get a clue before you attempt to defend a despot like McCain. Obviously, us 81% who think things are going badly in this country are way ahead of dullards like you--you cannot even enter a user name to identify yourself.

Posted by: bastanow | April 12, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else see the relationship between this latest Obama slip-of-the-tongue and his supposedly brilliant (read: boring and predictable) speech on race? Again and again he is spinning a tale of embittered, hate-filled white people - and at the same time offering his personal forgiveness by claiming that bitterness and hatred is caused by poverty and loss.

He is tarnishing all blue-collar whites with a red-neck stereotype. At the same time, he's saying that whites have a right to be bitter - blame it on all the politicians who have come before him, he's also claiming that blacks have a right to their own bitterness. Blame that one on the other politicians - and all those bitter, redneck, blue-collar whites.

This is the brilliant logic, reasoning and wisdom of the man who has painted himself as a uniter? Obama's candidacy, the behavior of his supporters and his voters have caused racial tensions and barriers to reach a level we haven't seen in years. He is polarizing not only the Democratic party, but the races as well.

As to his claims of superior judgment - what is he thinking of when he uses a phrase about people clinging to religion? That was his very own defense for sitting in church week after week listening to the hate-filled rantings of Rev. Wright. He has clung to that man and that church due to his own bitterness over his confused sense of racial identity.

Maybe after many, many more years of experience and not a few years of therapy Obama might be ready to be an effective part of our government. At this time, he's nothing more than self-styled messiah to those who are sitting around in terror, waiting to be saved.

Posted by: Lynn | April 12, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

'John Kerry's (Mass.) infamous "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it." '

Isn't the correct quote, "I actually did vote for the $87 billion. Before, I voted against it." It means before he voted for it, he voted against it.

That's what was so infuriating about the words. He said something other than he said, but used the exact same words.

Posted by: Kacoo | April 12, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

It's deceptive to imply that Obama was being dismissive of people's faith or church attendance with his comments. Of course, spinning it like that makes people get riled up and how many will bother to actually listen or read what he really said? He said people turn to what they can count on - their religious faith being one of those things. How is that insulting or snobbish towards religious people? It's a positive comment about them! But people are acting like Obama uttered "those fools" after his comment. Barbara Comstack's and Glen Bolger's comments, quoted in this story, are offensive and flat-out lies. Really ugly.

Posted by: hitpoints | April 12, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the good ol boys win again..the pedigreed ENTITLED BLUEBLOODS..I heard on MSNBC some dumb pundit say Oh geez you , or we could all
find a president or two in our geneology...I beg to differ and defy any of you to look up yours, you won't find any...He's hardly the poor boy with the
kenyan grandmother living in a hut, seems he forgot to mention his mother too much , as it is on her side aside from 8 presidents (2 being Bush;'s 1 Carter, 1 G.Ford 1 L. Johnson) 1 VP-Cheney..3 senators-2 congressmen 2 supreme court justices 3 governors 1 uk prime ministers...lets not forget

Brit Hume from Fox..and would be assasin John Hinckley...This is not an accident folks and he did attend the best schools..2 of his endorsers also

bluebloods Richardson 6 presidents and Kerry tons of nobility on top of 13 presidents...etc. This is the establishment folks...this is considered

washington insider....this is the STATUS-QUO. And you may not want to hear it but it is Hilary that is the outsider.....she is only related to a

president by way of marriage. So The INNER CIRCLE of ENTITLED ones prevail. Too bad liberals were fooled by this and his words

Posted by: Lateisha | April 12, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

FOLKS, THIS JUST IN:

Obama campaign drops Hope from it's campaign. New slogan:

"BITTERNESS WE CAN BELIEVE IN."

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Elitist indeed! Poor humble Obama and Michelle!! the biggest customer for the pickles and peppers produced by Treehouse Foods is the retail giant Wal-Mart, the world's largest corporation and the bête noire of American liberals, including Sen Obama, for its employment practices, most notably its refusal to recognise trade unions. As the Illinois senator prepared to join the presidential fray late last year, he threw his weight behind the union-backed campaign against Wal-Mart. He declared that there was a "moral
responsibility to stand up and fight" the company and "force them to examine their own corporate values".
According to the Obama couple's tax returns, Mrs Obama earned $51,200 for her work as a non-executive director on Treehouse's board last year, on top of the $271,618 salary she was paid as a vice-president of the University of Chicago Hospitals.advertisement
She also received 7,500 Treehouse stock options, worth a further $72,375, as she did the previous year, when she banked a $45,000 salary from the company. The apparent contradiction between Sen Obama's political calculation to join the Wal-Mart-bashing lobby, and his wife's profitable role with a company that makes money from Wal-Mart is at the very least ridiculously hypocritical after having Slammed Clinton for sitting on the board of Wal-Mart

Posted by: Aaron | April 12, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Again, what damage? For saying that people who live in small towns are bitter and don't trust politicians after the Bush and Clinton years? That's not a gaffe. It's the truth. Clinton is turning this into a tag team with the Republicans to tear Obama down. I will not vote for her. I will vote for Nader first. We HAVE to break the stranglehold that our new royalty have on our government. For Clinton to call Obama elitist is probably the most ridiculous thing she has said yet. She and Bill are in rarefied economic territory now - among the richest 1/10 of 1% of Americans. The people who paid Bill to "speak" expect a payback. Don't get suckered again, America.

Posted by: Chuck | April 12, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

If you look at the text of his remarks -- or even just the one line you're all complaining about -- it is obvious what issue Obama was addressing in his remarks to a group of Democratic party activists. You Democrats are always whining about how blue collar voters do not vote in their own economic interest. Obama was merely pointing out how some voters save their passion for other issues since they don't trust government to improve their (our) economic woes. That's how "bitterness" relates to guns and religion.

I hate to say this, but "Duh."

Posted by: Viejita del oeste | April 12, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

I am with the unprecedently high 81% of Americans who now think the country is going completely in the wrong direction, and, yes, we are bitter; bitter against the Clinton and McCain elitist who have usurped power for so long and now are on the verge of destroying our nation. I will vote for Obama to vote against the Hillary-type/McCain-type elitism.

Posted by: bastanow | April 12, 2008 7:41 PM
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Hey Bastanow, why so bitter? Why not be hopeful? What about hope, eh? Or is that talk about hope all rhetoric? And be careful with the "elitist McCain" line, lest you get your face wiped with your discharges. Not sure McCain was being elitist when he refused to negotiate his incarceration with the Vietnamese, refused to leave his prison while his mates were in it, and ended up spending 5 YEARS getting tortured. You have to live with the intellect you got but try not to be so utterly out of touch with reality.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Obama and elitist? No that's too funny. Who did Obama offend? Was his choice of words in-artful, Yes. Where they offensive? No. People are angry and bitter about the state of their financial situation, jobs are being cut and outsourced as we speak. Now, i'm not supporting neither democrat, but for Clinton/McCain and some media pundits to be pilling on Obama's comments is intellectually dishonest and exposes what's wrong with our country now.

PLEASE READ THIS ARTICLE
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/11/235050/410/205/494075

Posted by: Jodie | April 12, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

I read something that cracked me up about an Obama statement, as I have a nephew (black) that was raised by my white grandmother. This statement is truly dramatic and he is so full of it...!!
Obama made a similar reference to (white grandma) Dunham in his memoir, "Dreams from My Father," in which he recalled an argument when he was in high school at Punahou School between grandma Dunham and her husband, Obama's grandfather, Stanley Dunham.(grandma the bank vp) Dunham rode a bus to get to her bank job, and one day had been approached by a man who pressured her for money. "I gave him a dollar and he kept asking," Obama quoted his grandmother in the book. "If the bus hadn't come, I think he might have hit me over the
head." Obama referred to his grandmother as "Toot" -- short for "tutu," the local word for grandparent. He wrote that he offered to drive her to the bank, telling his grandfather, "It's really no big deal." "It's a big deal to me," Stanley told his grandson. "She's been bothered by men before. You know why she's so scared this time? ... (S)he told me the fella was black." (Try to keep from laughing)
Obama then wrote, "The words were like a fist in my stomach, and I wobbled to regain my composure.(Oh my) In my steadiest voice,(what a joke) I told him that such an attitude bothered me, too, but assured him that Toot's fears would pass and that we should give her a ride in the meantime.
If I was Obama, and raised by white grandparents I don't think what was said would bother me at all I'd be worried for her! black/white/hawaiian/hispanic no matter....I do think however his insensitivity to no matter what race the guy was , that his grandmother was scared, might have been more important than the fact that the hasseler was a black man...and I would be on her side.....I doubt seriously "he wobbled to regain his composure", not because someone threatened his grandma, but that he was upset that it had been a black man and condemned her for thinking she was afraid???? wierd to say the least.
Also If I had made as much as he and his wife have made, I'd quit trying to convince folks of how poor and humble his beginnings were and that granny in Hawaii is still living in her little apt and step-granny in Kenya is still living in a hut.....whats that about...is he so elitist....out of sight out of mind, why didn't he help either one of them...he's got the money!

I think most black people would see thisas pandering, and stupid

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

"it's not surprising that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment."
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Posted by: tellthetruth |
If this one comment derails Obama, Clinton backers, I swear, you will see a backlash against your own candidate like you won't believe. Already, I think the nastiness of this campaign spells the death-knell of the Democratic party.
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Why are you so bitter at Clinton. She didn't make the bone head statement. The "great orator" did. He needs to stay with the xerox.

In the above statement of Obama's. would you put in context the gun, religeon, people not like them, anti-immigrant sentiment and the anti-trade sentiment of these bitter small towners.

Seems like you Obamanites putting his great oratory in context lately.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

I am with the unprecedently high 81% of Americans who now think the country is going completely in the wrong direction, and, yes, we are bitter; bitter against the Clinton and McCain elitist who have usurped power for so long and now are on the verge of destroying our nation. I will vote for Obama to vote against the Hillary-type/McCain-type elitism.

Posted by: bastanow | April 12, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Awesome remarks from Hillary. This woman may not be perfect but, boy, her heart is in the right place:

"You know, Americans who believe in the Second Amendment believe it's a matter of Constitutional rights. Americans who believe in God believe it is a matter of personal faith. Americans who believe in protecting good American jobs believe it is a matter of the American Dream.

"When my dad grew up it was in a working class family in Scranton. I grew up in a church-going family, a family that believed in the importance of living out and expressing our faith.

"The people of faith I know don't "cling to" religion because they're bitter. People embrace faith not because they are materially poor, but because they are spiritually rich. Our faith is the faith of our parents and our grandparents. It is a fundamental expression of who we are and what we believe.

"I also disagree with Senator Obama's assertion that people in this country "cling to guns" and have certain attitudes about immigration or trade simply out of frustration. People of all walks of life hunt - and they enjoy doing so because it's an important part of their life, not because they are bitter.

"And as I've traveled across Indiana and I¹ve talked to a lot of people, what I hear are real concerns about unfair trade practices that cost people jobs.

"I think hardworking Americans are right to want to see changes in our trade laws. That's what I have said. That¹s what I have fought for.

"I would also point out that the vast majority of working Americans reject anti-immigration rhetoric. They want reform so that we remain a nation of immigrants, but also a nation of laws that we enforce and we enforce fairly.

"Americans are fair-minded and good-hearted people. We have ups and downs. We face challenges and problems. But our views are rooted in real values, and they should be respected.

"Americans out across our country have borne the brunt of the Bush administration¹s assault on the middle class. Contrary to what Senator Obama says, most Americans did much better during the Clinton years than they have done during the Bush years.

"If we are striving to bring people together - and I believe we should be - I don't think it helps to divide our country into one America that is enlightened and one that is not.

"We know there is an unacceptable economic divide in America today, but that is certainly not the way to bridge it. The way to do that is to roll up our sleeves and get to work and make sure we provide, once again, economic opportunity and shared prosperity for all Americans.

"People don't need a president who looks down on them; they need a president who stands up for them. And that is exactly what I will do as your president.

"Because I believe if you want to be the president of all Americans, you need to respect all Americans."

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

The media is playing the fool again, covering a stupid story that does not reflect the real concerns of voters. In a country where 80% of Americans feel we are on the wrong track, don't you think there is some bitterness out there? Yes, Americans are a hopeful bunch, but after 20 years of pro-corporate policies, I think they are starting to wake up to the fact that the system is stacked against them, and despite all the hardwork and optimism in the world, that things are not fair, and yes, that is making them bitter.

Posted by: downtown la | April 12, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

to manuel gomes...
I agree with you that our candidates should be having serious discussions about the important issues that face the nation and the world. Sen. Obama would like this too, but unfortunately our commercial media thrives on controversy, not substance. I agree with you that the U.S. has a unique opportunity to lead a number of changes in the world. I too, think President Obama would be committed to restoring the U.S. to the high ground that the majority of we, the people of the U.S. stand for. Thank you for your thoughtful post.

Posted by: Joyce | April 12, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

By Pam from Philadelphia, PA 18 minutes ago
Why I am bitter:
1) I am bitter because of the state of our economy
2) I am bitter because our jobs are being shipped overseas
3) I am bitter because we are fighting a war we shouldn't have waged.
4) I am bitter because we are spending $10b every month in Iraq, money that we need seriously here.
5) I am bitter that Iraq has about $50b of its money lodged in foreign account, while we are using tax payer's money to rebuild the country.
6) I am bitter that we are losing the effort to catch Osama Bin Laden.
7) I am bitter that our great country has lost its respect in the international forum.
8) I am bitter that our dollars has become a laughing stock of the world. That right here in the states, some businesses no longer accepts the dollar as a legal tender.
9) I am bitter because hardworking folks are being laid off their jobs and have lost all their savings.
10) I am bitter that honest and hard working folks are facing foreclosures.
11) I am bitter because the solution to the foreclosure problem from our law makers is to reward the mortgage banks and people who created the problem in the first place, while providing nothing for the people at the risk of losing their homes.
12) I am bitter because we keep borrowing from china and other countries, thereby leaving debts upon debts for the future generation.
13) I am bitter because there are so many other reasons why I should be bitter and our government is doing nothing to fix it.
14) Finally, I am bitter because the only person amongst our presidential candidates who recognizes that I'm bitter and that I have a genuine reason to be is being crucified for saying the truth.
I live in Philadelphia, where people have resorted to all these thing, and crime is out of control. WHY, BECAUSE THEY ARE BITTER!
It's just another shift tactic, from what is going on in her/and his own back yard.

Posted by: pam | April 12, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

"BARACK OBAMA ADMITTED SATURDAY THAT HE CHOSE HIS WORDS POORLY WHEN HE TOLD A GROUP OF CALIFORNIA DONORS THAT SMALL-TOWN AMERICANS 'CLING' TO GUNS AND RELIGION AND XENOPHOBIA OUT OF BITTERNESS OVER LOST JOBS."

Wake up Obama supporters. Be rational, you are undermining your own candidate's message.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

I like Obama. The last thing in the world that I would worry about is that he is an elitist. I dont need the Washington Post or anyone else to tell me what to think about Obama, I can make that decision myself. This media stuff is just meant to deny us the candidate of choice -- kind of like brainwashing. If we have courage, we can change the United States from a backward foreign policy and economic system that is unfair to most people.

Posted by: Paul Nolan | April 12, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Bittergate Goes to 11. CNN asks; "On a scale of one to ten, how damaging is this?"
by Grendel was misunderstood, Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 06:58:41 PM EST

'But this one goes to 11, doesn't it?"

Abriged / LOU DOBBS TONIGHT

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0 804/11/ldt.01.html

Senator Obama's Small Town Remarks Largely Criticized

Aired April 11, 2008 - 19:00 ET

KITTY PILGRIM, CNN ANCHOR: Thanks, Wolf.
Tonight, uproar and fury after stunning remark by Senator Obama. Senator Obama blasts small town America in front of wealthy donors. Obama's remarks could shake the entire presidential campaign. We'll have complete coverage. We begin with an exclusive interview with "Huffington Post"'s Mayhill Fowler who broke this story.

FOWLER: This is a fundraiser, the fourth in the day. This last Sunday in San Francisco and Marin and the South Bay in California. And it was at a house in Pacific Heights. There were maybe 350 to 400 people there. Quite a crush. Quite a crowd. These were people that had maxed out their donations to Senator Obama and among that group is myself.

PILGRIM: Mayhill, you wrote in your blog that these comments you felt reinforced negative stereotypes. When you wrote this blog, how much time between the event and when you wrote it. How much did you consider what you were going to write in the blog and did you realize you might generate--

FOWLER: I gave it a great deal of thought. Sunday night I went home and right away I wrote the piece right way about choosing the running mate. That appeared on "Huffington Post" on Monday.

I was not initially going to write about Senator Obama's remarks about Pennsylvanians. Because, frankly, I didn't want to bring down the campaign. I gave it more thought and I decided that the remarks bothered me enough that I wanted to write them up.

PILGRIM: Mayhill Fowler, of "Huffington Post," thank you so much for joining us and describing your recording of these remarks at the event in San Francisco. Thank you, Mayhill.

FOWLER: You're very welcome.

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PILGRIM: Now, he was talking about Pennsylvania, working-class Pennsylvania, small-town America. But he did it in a venue in California that was extremely wealthy. The donors had maxed out their maximum contributions.

Michael, what do you think about the juxtaposition of what he said and where he said it and how much damage this might do to the Obama campaign?

MICHAEL GOODWIN, COLUMNISTS, "NEW YORK DAILY NEWS": Well, I happen to come from one of those small towns in Pennsylvania. And I mean, I know what people there feel about religion and guns and immigrants.

And it's not about just hating other people. I mean, they don't embrace religion out of hate. They don't hunt or use their guns for target practice out of hate.

So I think there's -- it's not just an elitism. It de- legitimizes the way people live, the way they choose to live in America.

This is -- this is like Wright, you know, on steroids. I mean, this is, I think, a disaster of Obama. I don't see how he can explain it. He'll have to apologize and hope that mercy gets him through this. PILGRIM: You know, we -- we spoke to Mayhill Fowler, the reporter for the "Huffington Post" who recorded this comment. She says she recorded it -- recorded it on a small hand-held recorder. She always records everything that she -- and she actually sat on this recording and this report for a day or two while she considered.

ED ROLLINS, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: Well, first of all, someone on the campaign should have been there. I'd have my political antenna up. And anyone with political antenna should have realized this was a very insensitive statement.

Sometimes you make mistakes in the course of the campaign, but I think more than a mistake. This is a value statement. This is what he believes. These people -- he asked for the benefit of the doubt on his own religious and Reverend Wright a few weeks ago. But to basically say to people that they cling to religion because their life isn't very good. Or they like hunting and guns, which is very important to many Americans here, it was a very condescending statement.

And I think, to a certain extent, one of the problems Barack Obama has is he's not well known in this country. He's not someone with a long record. He's someone who obviously gives a great speech. He's excited a lot of young people. But people now want to know more about him. He may be the president of the United States, and they want to know what his value system is. And the combination of Reverend Wright, who obviously is his religious mentor, and these kinds of comments make people step back and say, "Who is this guy? And what does he really think?"

There's a lot of people who share the values of those small towns in Pennsylvania and Indiana and other places across this country. And it's not about the steel mills having left 25 years ago; it's about we get up every day. We go to work. This is what's very important with us.

PILGRIM: You know, I'd like to just focus on the Pennsylvania campaign right now. Let's take a look at the poll numbers. They're very, very close now. This could not come at a more critical time in the campaign of all these candidates. We have Clinton at 46 percent, Obama at 42 percent. And as we would like to point out, 12 percent unsure.

Ed, is this a watershed moment in the campaign? Not just in Pennsylvania.

ROLLINS: This is -- well, first of all, Pennsylvania is the watershed right today. And it's very critical. It's a state with great values and it's an ultimate swing state. I think the key thing here is Democrats have to decide does this guy have the judgment or the ability or the experience to be a viable candidate for president? And something like this certainly knocks him off message.

PILGRIM: On a scale of one to ten, how damaging is this?

ROLLINS: It's a ten.

PILGRIM: OK. Michael?

GOODWIN: I think the only hesitancy I have with agreeing with Ed that it's a 10 has to do wit the fact that that the Clintons have been running a terrible campaign lately themselves. So this may be a thing about sort of like a bad football game. Whoever, you know, doesn't make the last mistake wins the games.

So the Clintons have to have run a better campaign. They have to. I would send Bill Clinton maybe to Alaska for a few weeks and try to get through Pennsylvania. And if she can do that with big numbers, she's -- you know, she's really got the momentum back.

PILGRIM: Very nimble, though, today, in reaction to this. GOODWIN: She doesn't have to say much. I mean, this thing says it for itself. We're saying it, you know, in effect for her.

PILGRIM: Robert?

ZIMMERMAN: The poll itself is meaningless. We've seen, repeatedly, polls -- polls show the rice tightening in the weekend the results change dramatically and open up towards one or the other. So I wouldn't put a focus on the polls.

The real issue here is that people are now going to take a second look at Barack Obama. Both Democrats are going to and the general election, the general electorate at large is going to take a second look at him. He has to either, certainly, apologize for his comments but demonstrate that he can rise above this very divisive rhetoric that speaks to a character question.

PILGRIM: So you're thinking that he has to come up very, very quickly. And also, Robert, I'd like you to give me your assessment on this. Scale of one to 10, how damaging is this for the Obama campaign?

ZIMMERMAN: An 11. Because this point -- this raises questions about whether he can truly unite the country, as he pledges to, and whether he really believes that we're one America.

ROLLINS: Or does he really understand America? I think that's the real question. Does he really understand small-time America?

GOODWIN: I think the religion thing is to me the key here. I mean, you cannot denigrate religion in that way.

PILGRIM: We understand that he's going to address this directly in a speech in Indiana this evening. So we will get a rapid response from this.

Gentlemen, we have to hold it there. Ed Rollins, Michael Goodwin, Robert Zimmerman, thank you. And we'll be back with much more in just a moment. So stay with us.

Posted by: On a scalel of 1 to 10 this is an 11 | April 12, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Reading the messages on this board, it seems Obamatons think

1. Smalltown folks are all desperate and bitter.
2. Smalltown folks bury their anger and sorrow by attending church and going hunting.
3. Any disagreement with points 1 or 2 makes you a fool or a racist.

So apparently it's ok for Obama and his latte liberal boosters to judge the rest of us, but not ok the other way around. How's that for latte logic? Speaking as a lifelong Democrat, I'm glad this primary has served to expose the sickening prejudices of the liberal elite.

Posted by: JL | April 12, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Supporters of Obama need to stop digging themselves into a hole.
They need to do what their candidate did. APOLOGIZE.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Now here's a bitter religion:

Copyright Reverend Irving Wright with twenty years of Amens from Barry Obama

While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
Let us repudiate a land that's so called free,
Let us all be hateful for a land that's so called fair,
As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer.

God Da-mn America,
Land that I loathe.
Stand astride her, yet despise her
With a chip on a shoulder from above.
From the plantations, up to Harvard
To the Jews rich from our blood
God Da-am America, keepin' us down down down.

Posted by: Egobama | April 12, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Firestorm Firestorm Firestorm these comments go to the heart of Obama's character - you see with a candidate who has so LITTLE EXPERIENCE - SO LITTLE TIME IN WASHINGTON - we have LITTLE TO GO ON when evaluating if Obama has the right character, the right values to be the President.


This is why these comments hurt Obama worse than perhaps other candidates who may have decades of public service in Washington and decades of statements behind them.

I am completely offended by Obama's comments - if someone in his campaign or an official of another campaign had made these comments, Obama would be demanding apology and resignation.


The point, again, is not the bitterness comment - it is that small town America has not responded correctly to difficult times - that somehow "clinging to religion" is the wrong way to go.

I really do not believe Obama is qualified to represent small town Illinois anymore.

This is serious.


Posted by: Words of Wisdom | April 12, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Simmer down, Obama fans. It has been a long haul to the April 22 vote. Those for Obama will still vote for Obama.

In the order of things, the Rev. Wright episode rates an 8. Bad but survivable. This "bitter" contretemps rates a 1, 1.5, tops.

What is amusing is the Clinton camp marching out Hillary's grandfather, a working class hero, no less. She tells us she comes from pinochle country and whatnot.

At the very same time NBC tells us that Bubba has a good Canadian friend by the name Giustra that donates and donates to the Clinton Library to the tune of tens of millions of dollars, the Saudi family has donated ten million dollars to the Bubba Library, Ron Burkle has "payed" Bubba $15 million, etc.

Do the Democrats really want a Billary cadre of generous friends and donors voted all the way to the White House, again?

The Clintons are swimming in millions of dollars and have the gall to call themselves agents for the "working class". They can take that baloney all the way to the bank, alright.

Posted by: piktor | April 12, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Hey Obama supporters, struggling people have grace too. You people from the coast (who have suddenly relocated to the midwest on this forum) know nothing about us mid-westerners.
FIRST, success to us is not what it is to you.
SECOND, our morality is not hostage to the sort of success you moronic elitists put your stock in.
THIRD, our character is strong enough where it does not corrupt simply because we lost a job. Yes we may feel occasional bitterness but it doesn't turn us into xenophobic, racist, gun carrying/hunting, irrational, hate-filled human beings.

Shame on you!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes the latte causes private thoughts to bubble out, but all in all this is not surprising from a second generation affirmative action power couple.

Posted by: Harold Icky | April 12, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Both Obama and Hillary are trying to turn each other into roadkill. That is fine with me. They will probably both succeed.

This is the best thing that could have happened to this shameless pair of cut-throat opportunists.

Both Obama and Hillary are both probably getting donations from Hugo Chavez, plus donations from big Agri-business for supporting farm subsidies, a huge mega-billion dollar gift for ADM from the tax payers.

Posted by: alance | April 12, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

The storm, if any, is only the excuse for the in-the-closet racists that found a subterfuge to attack an intelligent man who happens to be black. That was certain people(?) that won't vote for him, as suggested by Governor Rendell.

Posted by: j.moreno | April 12, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

The Obamaniacs on this board claiming Obama's inexcusable remarks are "the truth" are just making matters worse. Apparently everybody in Latte Liberal Land think churchgoers are just there to bury their bitterness against the government, and gun owners are a bunch of crazies. I'll bet al Qaeda thinks this way too. This is precisely why the latte liberal's designated messiah, Barak Hussein Obama, cannot be allowed anywhere near the presidency of our country. God bless America.

Posted by: jim | April 12, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

I guess, to Obama supporters, it is impossible that people could have had Hope before Obama came along. It seems impossible to Obama supporters that America could have had people who are struggling yet Hopeful. Because, you know, Hope was invented by Obama. And struggling people were incapable of having it until Obama and his supporters came along.
Obama and his supporters are digging themselves into a hole so big, they will fall out on the other side of earth.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Senator Obama made an honest and direct description of the plight of folks living in the "rust belt" who lost their jobs and for years have not been able to find good jobs, He said they angry and bitter. Wouldn't you be angry and bitter, too.

Senator Clinton is the elitist here not Senator Obama. She really doesn't understand the situation 'rust belt" folks find themselves in. She does how to make a cheap political shot. She does no how to change position (i.e to anti-Natfa) depending on how the winds are blowing. She is the condescending one, not Senator Obama.

Another cheap shot from Clinton exagerated by the media taking the lazy road to reporting.

Oh yeah, I am voting for Obama this November. If is denied the nomination, I will write is name in. To paraphrase Adlai Stevenson in a speech before the United Nations, hell will freeze over before I vote for Clinton or McCain.


Posted by: Peter | April 12, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

You just know that deep down inside, Obama's got a belly full of hate for whites. For proof, look no further than the "down with America" "kill whitey" "church" Obama attended half his life. And of course, Obama's little Freudian slip at his secret millionaire donor's meeting gives you another glimpse into his psychology. The danger with an Obama presidency lies less so with that he's half muslim or a foreigner, but more that Obama's going to use the presidency to act out his animosity against white (and brown) America. Here's the type of black man that's more dangerous than the usual gun wielding sexed up ghetto hoodlum. Here's a black man who's all smiles and cozies up to you, so he can destroy you later.

Posted by: tom | April 12, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Time to move on. A small dose of truth, and the typists go crazy. Meanwhile, we ignore much of the reality of the world, growing more and more insular and stupid by the keystroke. Go take a walk. Read some Barbara Ehrenreich. Try a little bitterness, you might like it. Talk to your children. Go away.

Posted by: rusty 3 | April 12, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

No question, the populist Democratic candidate, Sen. Barack Obama,lacks judgement as a politician. His statement of "bitter workers," is nothing else but the expression of an emotinal and populist politician, who promises a cure for every financial problem without mesuring the economic costs of them.

If the United States economy were operating in a balance situation, e.i., no debt and no deficit, then possibilities of solving today's American economic problems could be accomplished. Unfortunately, the economic fundamentals are not good at all. Therefore, populist ideas should be examing properly before the hopes and expectations become "bitter dreams."

Posted by: Vivaldo Latoche | April 12, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

I am a portuguese citizen (from Portugal), who is following the most of 2008 american elections.
As an European and as a father of 2 young child, I am aware of the important issues the world is facing in the following years.
We all have (the world) political, economic, climate changes and energy challenges ahead so I think this question about Barack´s words has no value at all. I read the most of Barack Obama ideas, and also his books.
I really hope that Barack Obama become the next President of United States.
I had the opportunity to visit Texas several years ago and I think the USA is an admired and wonderful country. During a month, while I visited Austin, Dallas and several others places, I never heard a single news outside the US. That´s was very strange.

At the moment it seems clear, that the US have an unique opportunity the lead a number of changes in the world. I think that Obama is the person who seems to have this ability.

Posted by: manuel gomes | April 12, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

"WHo says he worships Jesus to get the religious vote? Barack Obama...BO went after Hillary...Now, he is saying the stupid voters are anti-trade and they are wrong...David Axelrod is manipulating the media. Journalists run Obama's campaign."

Posted by: Karen | April 12, 2008 10:53 AM

Gee, Karen. You sound bitter.

Posted by: tellthe truth | April 12, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

If you're not bitter you're not paying attention.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

After almost a full day of listening and reading, I'm more convinced than ever that this is a media-concocted faux-controversy. 80 to 90% of the people described by Obama seem to be saying, "He's right. We are bitter, and we're tired of being ignored."

It will be interesting to see if the Clinton-McCain campaign (they truly are one, now) and the MSM can keep the air in this whipped cream, or if it -- deservedly -- falls flat with the voters. Based on my observations thus far of the chattering class's penchant for chewing this stuff endlessly, I'm not optimistic. But hope springs eternal.

There is one thing Obama has established: he has not certainly not learned the Washington don't-tell-the-truth-you'll-pay-for-it routine!

P.S. -

Anon writes "By the way, Obama went to Harvard Law on scholarship- not "working his way through". He is a very smart dude and deserved the scholarship- but let's not create stories."

Uhm, OK -- the scholarship paid for his tuition, and maybe books, but who paid for his rent, groceries, and the rest of his living expenses?

Posted by: jac13 | April 12, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Well, there you are.

Barack tells the truth and Hillary turns it into a major national disgrace. Desperation makes people do awful things.

If the people of small-town PA and small-town America don't feel screwed by a succession of presidents and their broken promises (and that would include Bill Clinton), then they're numbed. Barack tells the truth, maybe not always in the best choice of words or metaphors, but it is the truth, and that is something with which Ms. Clinton has a lot of difficulty - as we all painfully know.

The other day, I was watching C-Span when H. Clinton supporter Evan Bayh went after Petreaus and the other guy, and I was really impressed by the demeanor and sorrow of his questions, thinking that this is someone I'd like to see as, at least, a vice-president. because he was speaking to power and the BS that attends it. It was good stuff. But when he said, in recent hours, regarding Barack's truth-telling about people left behind, "I think it's a real potential political problem and it's something for superdelegates and voters to think about," I fell back to thinking this is the Clinton politics of destruction, i.e., "If we don't win, we don't give a sh.t if you (and everyone else) lose."

So, to use one of Bill's phrases to, ahem, turn the focus away from his dalliances, "Chill out, folks." Sometimes the truth is hard to take, but praises to the people who tell it and a pox on the house of the people who pervert it into trash.

Posted by: Dr. DoLittle | April 12, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Well, there you are.

Barack tells the truth and Hillary turns it into a major national disgrace. Desperation makes people do awful things.

If the people of small-town PA and small-town America don't feel screwed by a succession of presidents and their broken promises (and that would include Bill Clinton), then they're numbed. Barack tells the truth, maybe not always in the best choice of words or metaphors, but it is the truth, and that is something with which Ms. Clinton has a lot of difficulty - as we all painfully know.

The other day, I was watching C-Span when H. Clinton supporter Evan Bayh went after Petreaus and the other guy, and I was really impressed by the demeanor and sorrow of his questions, thinking that this is someone I'd like to see as, at least, a vice-president. because he was speaking to power and the BS that attends it. It was good stuff. But when he said, in recent hours, regarding Barack's truth-telling about people left behind, "I think it's a real potential political problem and it's something for superdelegates and voters to think about," I fell back to thinking this is the Clinton politics of destruction, i.e., "If we don't win, we don't give a sh.t if you (and everyone else) lose."

So, to use one of Bill's phrases to, ahem, turn the focus away from his dalliances, "Chill out, folks." Sometimes the truth is hard to take, but praises to the people who tell it and a pox on the house of the people who pervert it into trash.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

This explains everything perfectly. Anyone who still sides with Clinton and McCain after watching this just doesn't get it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDow

Posted by: Just watch this | April 12, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry, Pennsylvanians. Hillary Clinton, with her $109M income since 2000, will defend you from the folks who acknowledge that you might be bitter about job losses. She'll defend you with the same zeal the she protected those poor folks in Bosnia in 1996 (or was that 1995, just ask Bill). And she'll defend your right to vote with the same zeal that she employed while supporting the Nevada Education Association's mindless effort to shut down the at large caucus sites before the Nevada caucuses. Bill and Hillary are bad news for the Democratic Party - we should send them home as soon as possible.

Posted by: Karl Shipps | April 12, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Obama trys so hard to convince folks about his humble beginnings when he has 8 presidents in his lineage...that he forgets how insensitive that makes him look...If my wife like Michelle Obama and I made a cool millions plus per year and lived in a mansion in Chicago, my ailing grandmother would not be living in a two bedroom apartment 4000 miles away. What does this tell you about Obama?..also the poor old granny in kenya living in a hut....poor humble,Obama


Posted by: Mark | April 12, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

This just in:
Obama is putting together the backdrop for his November aspirations. 5 yellow people, 2 brown people, 6 white people, 3 gray people, 10 green people and 50 million dumb people required.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

One more thing Bobby O,
Regarding whether Obama heard "controversial" statements. Initially, Obama denied he had heard his pastor ever say anything controversial - not just the post 9/11 comments that were played over and over. It was only afterwards that he "calibrated" his position and admitted he heard things.
But initially he attempted to say he was not in church at any time Rev. Wright made outrageous comments regarding the govt, white people, etc. But he was there for 20 years and it became clear that Rev. Wright regularly made outrageous comments - many of them documented on audio and video. So even Obama decided he couldn't make that lie stick hence he recalibrated and suckers like you take it at face value.
Get YOUR facts straight.

Posted by: John | April 12, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad McCain quit doing the comb-over.

Posted by: the little jerk | April 12, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

The Obama activists, that is, the extreme left wing of the party (MoveOn, Democracy for America, DailyKos, Keith Olbermann etc) are threatening to do to the Democratic Party what they did to us in the Connecticut Senate race. They got Ned Lamont to beat Lieberman in the primaries only to see the former get wiped out in the real race. Now, since I don't care much for Lieberman I tought that was rather cute. Big mistake. I had no idea how malicious these guys are. Their sunny fronts like Politico (this article notwithstanding) and MSNBC are trying to shut Hillary down. I say to all those who have been penalized for fighting tough battles. To all those who have paid their dues only to see a cute, ambitious upstart stroll in and steal the show. To all those who favor substance over style. To all those who have had to work so hard only to see the tall and young and good-looking get the credit. To all those who are sick of seeing hard earned experience get wiped out by "charisma". To all of you: MAKE A CONTRIBUTION TO HILLARY RIGHT NOW.

https://contribute.hillaryclinton.com/form.html?sc=2390

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Obama's arrogance is breathtaking. Unless you are as successful as Obama you are probably a person of rotting soul, I guess.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I *am* bitter.

If this is all it takes to get Mrs. Clinton (and her media attack dogs) to go after Obama, I can clearly see why we're in the mess we are.

"Bitter" is a fairly obvious euphemism for "pissed off," which many of us are, and for good reason.

If this one comment derails Obama, Clinton backers, I swear, you will see a backlash against your own candidate like you won't believe. Already, I think the nastiness of this campaign spells the death-knell of the Democratic party.

Yeah, I'm "bitter." Mrs. Clinton will do anything to win. And win ugly. And Democrats will lose.

Posted by: tellthetruth | April 12, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse


Obama's comments are offensive not because he said working-class Pennsylvanians are "bitter," but because he claims they cling to guns and religion...

These comments, coupled with those he made in Iowa earlier in the year

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNqJ7N8wy5E

strike me as condescending towards small-town, working class Americans. He is elitist and, if the Democratic nominee, will suffer the same fate as John Kerry.

Posted by: pearson | April 12, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

What's the matter with Kansas? Obama hits it on the head, and Clinton and McCain flip out, that's the real stroy here. The Democrats cannot be counted on to handle economic matters, their signature platform, because first Carter was totally incompetent, and then Clinton spent too much time trying to make himself a legacy through triangulaion that he threw progressives under the bunch and stuck us with NAFTA and a number of other Republican-based "reforms." Thus, left with no one they feel will look out for them economically, voters vote on issues they do think will be effected by who they vote for- guns, abortion, and other social issues that favor Republicans.

This is Hillary's ultimate problem, and why I will NEVER vote for her. On economic matters and on healthcare, it isn't necessarily that she doesn't get it, it's that SHE CAN'T SELL IT. Another four years of Clinton will give us hyperpartisanship, stagnation, and no progres towards a progressive agenda for the country, and then to salvage what she can she'll invite in her DLC cronies to co-opt a conservative agenda to call her own, screwing us over once again. Sorry, this bitter voter currently living in latte-sippin West Texas ain't buyin it.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | April 12, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

There is no small irony in the elitist Clintons trying to label Obama as an elitist. While Hillary and McCain do represent the Washington status quo which caters mostly to the top 2%, noted by their much more numerous cadre of lobbyists, they are the ones really out of touch if they think Americans are not angry and bitter at the status quo. The audacity of Clinton to try and turn Obama's comments into controversy belies her own arrogance in suggesting that working class Americans are just fine with the unprecedented economical struggles they are now facing. I hope Hillary's brazenness in trying to smear Obama again completely blows up in her face again. She is really the elitist witch no thinking American wants anywhere near the White House. May she go down in flames.

Posted by: bastanow | April 12, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

I live in PA, and I am NOT offended by Obama's remarks about us being bitter. He is NOT out of touch with us, he is right on in how we feel about everything! I am not only bitter, I am totally pissed off about how the Bush administration, and the political machine has dealt a cruel blow to the US economy, and the world. McCain is totally out of touch with the rest of us, he is married to a beer heiress, he has not idea what it is like to want for anything, if he ever did he has forgotten.
I read Obama's first book, and was totally inspired by him. I read it last year, would love to read the next one, but haven't had a chance, as I work TWO jobs to make ends meet.
The media needs to get off the Clinton, and especially the McCain bus and realize that the average middle class and lower American wants CHANGE, and we want it NOW!!!!

Posted by: Kathy Maple, PA | April 12, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Kinda like trying to start a bonfire with wet twigs, huh?

It was said that the media was having a love affair with Obama, but now there's bad bowling and "bitter" fallout all over the networks.

What makes you think the majority of Americans won't just roll their eyes at this latest attempt to concoct a sensation? The only people who seem to be rolling in it are the ones who made up their minds already.

I have more faith in the American people. That's probably why I don't work for the mainstream media.

Posted by: gavin930 | April 12, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

One quote that caught my eye when reading all the news articles online today was when someone said: "I still support Obama because he offers the best" I asked my self, 'The best what?" Here is a man whose resume shows him as being an Illinois State Senator for a short time and then going on to the US Senate. Now he has only been there a short time and he is running for President. What does that say about any accomplishments and offering of 'The Best" Here is an ambious young man with money behind him running for President with only his good looks and his promises. Would you hire this man with only this on his resume. Especially for the most powerfull job in the world. I dont think so.....My moma always told me to NEVER trust anyone who says "Trust Me" AND folks thats all he has to offer. His promises of the BEST. What ever that is.....Trust Me. I will bring change??? Oh really!!

Posted by: gcbfred | April 12, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Massey,

He was for NAFTA too.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

For everyone who is attacking the only successful Democratic president in the last 40 years- lumping Clinton in with Bush, try and remember that the economy during his administration was one where the tide lifted all boats- everyone's income went up, unemployment was at record lows, the cost of living was less relative to the average wage, and woman and minorities came closer to pay equity with white males. It is the extreme policies of the Bush administration that created this economy. Clinton was not as progressive as I would have liked- he was not my candidate in 92- however- Obama IS NOT A PROGRESSIVE- going by his voting record (he was only #1 on the progressive list in 2007 because he voted in just 18% of total votes and made sure those would please the liberal base- the other years he was in not in the top 20% in liberal voting and his currently stated policies, which are somewhat less ambitious than Clintons. I don't know what you starry-eyed types are seeing but I am on both their mailing lists, read books by both of them and follow actual policy debates- this guy is not what is being presented.

By the way, Obama went to Harvard Law on scholarship- not "working his way through". He is a very smart dude and deserved the scholarship- but let's not create stories.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Joyce... all the crabby, bitter people must be screened out of Hillary's audiences for her. Only optimistic people allowed. Those who don't like Obama will always take his words the wrong way. It is obvious though, that many people, not just in small towns, are bitter about the economy. And if people had been voting their checkbooks in rural America, small town America and big city America, we would have never had 8 years of Bush and so many years of Repbublican control of Congress. Because people were voting on other issues like guns and all that stuff, while the rich got richer and all of us poorer and Enron and all those other companies robbed people blind. Now it seems Clinton doesn't believe that happened or something. If she can't understand that, how can she run a good campaign against the Republicans. For heavens sake, she was for NAFTA.

Posted by: Massey | April 12, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Richard...didn't you get the memo. we're done with the muslim thing. now it's black radical christian. or is it a pinko commie. i can't keep up.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Since when did liberals become elitists? I'm too poor to be elite or republican!

If you aren't bitter and pissed, you aren't paying attention.

Do any of you hillary supporters know ANY republicans? Many if not MOST blame the Clintons for the state of our nation today! Right or wrong, they would vote for dirt before her! We need a democrat that Republicans don't HATE. We need someone withOUT DC experience. I consider that a PLUS!

Posted by: HollieSeven | April 12, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

That's what happens after 8 years of President Dubya, who can't speak a full sentence unless it's written out for him. Here we have Obama, a man who actually thinks analytically and speaks in FULL PARAGRAPHS. Many of us GET IT - especially those of us who are having a harder and harder time keeping up financially. It may take the out-of-touch media and self-serving politicians awhile to catch up with public sentiment. Look how long they stuck with Bush's lies that got us into Iraq. HEY...YES, WE'RE MAD AS HELL AND WE WANT SOMEBODY WHO UNDERSTANDS OUR FRUSTRATION. GOT IT!

Posted by: Jack | April 12, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

The only thing more unelectable than a black man who's all tell and no show, is an uppity black man with no accomplishments and substance to back up his pop psych analysis of middle America. People go to church and protect their second amendment rights only because they're bitter at the government? Really, Obama? Maybe that's true for the blacks at your America hating church, the one run by Jeremiah Wright, but it sure doesn't fit any church I've been to. Obama's race speech showed that his deep understanding for black psychology, but he sure doesn't get how whites, or Hispanics and Asians think. That's not surprising, considering he's a foreign born half Muslim.

Posted by: jim | April 12, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Are we grown-ups or children. I'd rather here someone speak the truth rather than lies. Did it hurt your feelings really? If you make under 40,000 in this country you should be bitter.
A lot of you people are too stuck on yourselves, if a white person had said it, it wouldn't even be an issue. You might as well come out in say it. You don't like Obama b/c he is a Black man. If was a white man everyone would say he is a moral Bill Clinton and would be the next president of the U.S. hands down.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

APOSTASY
Ar: irtidad or riddah.
An apostate is called murtad. There has been much controversy among Muslims whether the male apostate is to be put to death.
Many Muslim countries prescribed the death penalty for the apostate if he continues in it. A certain grace period may be given for the apostate to for him to repent, after which he may be executed.
Death bed repentance is not allowed. The female apostate is to be kept in confinement until she recant or death. If one of a husband or wife apostatize, a divorce takes place and the wife is entitled to her dowry, but if both apostatize together, then the marriage is not dissolved, but Iman Zufar regards that the marriage is annulled. However, if later, one of them returns to Islam, then divorce is necessary

If a boy under age apostatize, he is not to be put to death, but to be imprisoned until he come to full age, when, if he continue in the state of unbelief, he must be put to death. Neither lunatics nor drunkards are held to be responsible for their apostasy from Islam
If a person upon compulsion become an apostate, his wife is not divorced, nor are his lands forfeited. If a person become a musalman upon compulsion, and afterwards apostatize, he is not to be put to death.

Posted by: Joe | April 12, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Bobby O,
You are living in a dream world, buddy. Obama has flat out lied many times and there is no getting around that fact. That does not make him a bad person nor a bad candidate - it makes him a typical politician as I suspected he was.
And regarding surrogates - there is a big difference between a supporter saying something to a local newspaper or television station and sending a surrogate to a big national news organization. Obama sent his folks to shows like Hardball, Meet the Press, etc. to call the Clintons racist. They don't go on those shows as representing the Obama campaign unless the campaign gives the go ahead beforehand. On the other hand any local newspaper or tv station can interview a supporter any time. No campaign can control that.
There is a difference.

Posted by: John | April 12, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

He didn't "choose his words poorly". He said what he felt and what he thinks. He thinks religion is the result of bitterness and hopelessness. That people hunt because they are ignorant. Maybe he's right, maybe he's wrong- but enough nonsense as to how his words were "misconstrued".

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | April 12, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

you can't be a leader and not know what Islam means. That said, Barack Obama went to a madrassa in Jakarta. A madrassa in a Muslim country. Whether he was devout or secular, he knows what was taught. He knows what is in the Koran (Quran). Even if he is ambiguous, he knows the stakes involved. His father was a Muslim who took three wives (without divorcing). His stepfather and close members of his family are devout Muslims. Not an un-important influence.
Every Muslim who left Islam is very definitive about leaving and why.They are quite vocal - Wafa Sultan, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Walid Shoebat, Elijah Abraham, etc. If he left Islam, Obama must have very definite thoughts about it. He has to, he practiced Islam. That is not benign; it's big. And even if, as inferred by big media, it was not big to him, then he can still appreciate how important it is knowing what he knows about Islam and apostasy.
Obama would have had to make a decision to reject Islam. When did he make that decision? How? Why the silence? Why the reluctance to talk about it?
Apostasy is punishable by death in Islam for males. Have there been calls for Obama's death? If not, why not? Islam gives no free passes. Obama's posture on this is "he has never been a muslim" although born to a muslim father and his grandfather was a muslim, this is a critical issue, not whether or not he is a muslim, but the consequences of denying what he was born to, and how to muslim or islam or islamic laws view him

Posted by: Richard | April 12, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

It just shows he knows nothing about regular people, he hangs with th elikes of Rev Wright the anti-american-anti-white, anti-semite and ex-musim himself, and his pal of 17 years the indicted Syrian businessman hhe had the shady land deal with wheby he bought Louis Farrakhans house in Chicago...Hey Isn't Wright buddies with Farrakhan the radical muslim-anti semite...hey and din't Farrakhan endorse Obama.....yep they keep it in the family too

Posted by: Daryl | April 12, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

I voted for hillary twice, I am angry at how she runs her campaign, I hope barack wins the nomination, he will destroy McCain in the general.

Posted by: NYcity so nice they named it twice | April 12, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Obama got caught with his real views showing. He is a racist who has a lot of bitterness towards white Americans.

The media will spin it and make it look like we really did not hear what we heard.

Posted by: Pamela | April 12, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Since when has the word bitter been changed to mean something unspeakable like a profanity word?

I am bitter, but I am from the plains. Both my husband lost our jobs over a year ago and I have yet to find another. My husband now lives 1000 miles away and lives in poverty level accomodations, so he can send his paycheck home to me. Yes that makes me bitter. I cannot sell my house to move with him, cause no one is buying homes much in this horrible real estate market. Yes that makes me bitter, too.

My two children and I make it okay, if growing up without their father is okay and I feel like I got it much better than a lot of the unemployed in Pennsylvania. In times like this I do turn to religion and if I had a gun, I'd probably go shoot my car in the garage that I can't even get to run. So to say that People in Pennsylvania are smiling and optomistic seems to be made by someone who is truely out of touch with reality and the people. If I'm bitter, I'm sure a lot of people in Pennsylvania are bitter too. Go Obama!

Posted by: Lynne | April 12, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Here are follow-up questions:

1. Who here has changed their mind about Obama because of these comments?

2. Of those, how many live in Pennsylvania, Indiana, or North Carolina?

Because these are the only people's opinions who matter.

Posted by: egc52556 | April 12, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Benjamin,

Many truths are about perception. Saying that small town people are bitter and cling to religions and guns as a result is a perception of someone who's only real knowledge of small-town/working class folk has been in sociology class. The urban, educated upper middle class needs to watch it's judgement of something they know nothing about. Yes, there is some truth to the statement that there is anger in the communities- but that is not what he said initially- the "god and guns" comment neglects the fact that those two things have been heavily a part of the (US)American experience, whether or not you or I like them- he is basically attributing the feelings of a large amount of Americans (many more Dan and Rosanne Connors than Dr. and lawer Huckstable couples) to some sort of ignorance or gullibility. It really is offensive, especially from someone who claims to be bringing people together.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton is being portrayed by the corporate elitist press as an insider, the only inside thing she has is being married to an ex-president whom she worked hard and if it weren't for her Bill Clinton never would have been president. Richardson calls her entitled...He is the one who is entitled 6 presidents in his lineage (ad they use thehispanic thing with him as their humble card)Bill Richardson has lineage that would astound any of you..wargs.com and 13presidents in John Kerry's plus royalty as well, thats why he is such a pompous ass! they are keeping it in the inner circle of blueblood entitled ones..The same press that pushed Bush now pushes Obama..whats with that???...Both Bill and Hillary Clinton have always been the outsiders...they were when Bill ran as well they were known as liberals

Posted by: Justin | April 12, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

It sounded to me like what Obama said in regards to religion and gun control was this:

These small-town people have voted in the past based on their economic beliefs and hopes, but nothing has changed as the result of these votes, even when they have won. Things have only gotten worse. This has made them bitter, and now when they vote, they vote based on issues like religion, same-sex marriage, gun control, immigration, etc., because they don't believe voting based on the economy (something that REALLY matters) is going to get them anywhere.

Now tell me what exactly was condescending, elitist, demeaning or -- um -- WRONG about that? Nothing. It's the truth.

Posted by: Voice of reason? | April 12, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

I think we've reached a point in this primary that Obama's gaffe -- and a gaffe it was -- will make very little difference in the final outcome. Most voters and superdelegates have already made up their mind and this one incident will only tip to Clinton those who were already leaning that way. Clinton -- as expected -- will win Pennsylvania. Obama -- as expected -- will win North Carolina. And it will be a draw in Indiana.

In the end Clinton still will not have the numbers to win the nomination. It's been a foregone conclusion for a month now.

Posted by: egc52556 | April 12, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

O yea and somebody tell HRC not everybody has about 50 million laying around somewhere.

Posted by: Jay | April 12, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

What's this nonsense about 'damage control'?

Agreed, Obama fist statement was a bit elliptic, and allowed for distortion at the hands of HRC. Let's recall that he was answering a question from the public. However I'm not alone in considering HRC's response ludicrously dishonest:

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=4G8dRMofHNs

Is HRC more adroit in answering unprepared question? Here's a hint:

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=dGeQ6dxGMFA&feature=related

Let's keep things in proportion. Obama's 'I'm in touch' speech sets things right.

Posted by: french imp | April 12, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Hilliary is so fake, once Obama wins the Dem primary she'll act like their best buddies and nothing ever happened so she can get the V.P. nod. There's no way Obama can do that, he'd really have to watch out for sniper fire w/ HRC being next in line.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Senador Barack Obama is a member of the African-American Elite. I do not have a problem with that issue. However, I am appalled with his duplicity. His comments were insensitive. A full mockery against the working poor in PA.
Vote for Senator Hillary Clinton!

Posted by: Maria | April 12, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

To William P.
Obama didn't grow up black in america, can't you read. He grew up in Indonesia practicing wahabbist islam in Jakharta living with his white mom and muslim stepfather...after 10 he moved to Hawaii and was raised by his grandparents who were the farthest thing from poor...I know Obama claoms he was poor and humble, but those are his please elect me I'm humble stump speech....white granny was a bank VP...and even if it says so they were not struggling....His mothers lineage includes presidents 8 of them....and a vp Cheney and supreme court justices..senators, congressmen...so on so forth......you should know when you are being hornswaggled!

Posted by: Michael | April 12, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Please. Obama is the only candidate that actually gets it. Clinton and McCain are ridiculous. This whole thing is a non-story.

Obama is exactly right. People know it. Too bad "journalists" and the other candidates are so desperate to make something out of nothing.

Obama '08!

Posted by: Leebo | April 12, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Danny...Obama has proved a pretty adept campaigner. I don't doubt he knew very well what he was saying and how the Clintons would react. I think it is the Clintons who will encounter a backlash, especially if Hillary sticks to her story that the people she meets are not bitter, but very optimistic about the future. Or maybe the crabby people are screened out of her audiences.

Posted by: Joyce | April 12, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Dyinglikeflies thinks that Obama is a "typical Harvard pinhead"
Well the typical graduate from Harvard Law School salary is greater than the community organizer salary that Obama went back to Chicago for. Another thing is that Obama was not the typical Harvard Law School graduate; he was selected as the best student in his class by his fellow classmates. Being selected as the first in your class in a very special group of people seems impressive to me. Obama could have obtained a salary many times greater than what he got for his troubles to help people in Chicago.
For the Clintons and McCain to accuse Obama of being out of touch is the height of hypocrisy.
As another commenter said so well, 81% of Americans think we are on the wrong track and facing hard economic future. How can Hillary assert that we are not bitter or angry.

How can McCain get away with so much crap like:

Not supporting the new GI benefits that will offer more help to the brave .05% of Americans fighting this horrible war for us.
McCain tells all of his friends that Iraq was going to be a hard fought war; in fact there is video proof that shows he was selling this war for bush by declaring that an invasion of Iraq would only take a few months.
There are lots of REAL examples of mccain being out of touch with reality yet the press fails to cover these stories.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Trying to focus the argument on "bitter", when everybody knows why the remark was actually quite disgusting, makes me more angry. I'm going to find it hard to vote for a person that bowled a 37 -- I mean, that isn't possible.

Posted by: dunnage | April 12, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

he was explaining why small town don't for him and he said it was because they were racists, gun-loving, jesus freaks and then tried to do some arm psychology about that being because of the economy.

Posted by: pleeeeze | April 12, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Obama-ites claim Clinton was for NAFTA...so is Obama...it is a fact NAFTA worked in some areas say like TX but didn't work out well for places like OHIO so to say Obama would through NAFTA out...another lie. Obama was against the war from the beginning, one of my favorites.It's easy for Obama to play armchair quarterback at the time of his so called stance on Iraq War vote. Hillary was actually in the game.and along with Obama endorsers Kerry, Daschle, Dodd and Nelson who had intel reports and Bushs report on WMD they all voted just as Hillary did....as did John Edwards and Joe Biden. In Obamas "Audacity of Hope" he wrote had I been a senator (which he wasn't)Had he been privy to intelligence reports(which he wasn't) he too may have felt differently and actually voted (which he didn't)

Posted by: Daniel | April 12, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse


Elitist?
It's time for a reality check! The one who grew up on the wrong side of the tracks is Barack Obama, not Hillry Clinton. Not only did he grow up on the wrong side of
the tracks but black in America. So, if anyone understands being poor and frustrated and really ticked at Washington, it's this candidate. When Barack Obama talks reality it's because he experienced it unlike poor Hillary.

Posted by: William P | April 12, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Evan Bayh is more than a Hillary backer. He will be her running mate if she can slash-and-burn her way to the nomination.

Obama remarks sum up the rural areas of the Midwest - the jobs are moving out, not in. I don't see the big deal with his remarks. However, sometimes I wonder if he thinks of how Hillary will respond to even the smallest gaffs.

The Clintons have proved the will go to any lengths to get the nomination.

Obama will win Pennsylvania by 2 points!

Danny L. McDaniel
Lafayette, Indiana

Posted by: Danny L. McDaniel | April 12, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe how vitriolic the Clinton supporters are here.

Posted by: Steve Fought | April 12, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Baracks claim to his humble beginnings in doubt...Obama probably didn't even know his father he left when he was two and never returned then died in 1982..Obama was raised by his mother and stepfather in Indonesia from 6-10 years old. and then by grandparents in Hawaii after 10 ..on his mom; first of all a girl from Kansas doesn't get to Hawaii or Indonesia having no money and being poor...His mother came from money.. Ann Dunham went to college and became an anthropologist- school-that takes money too.. . Obamas white grandmother was a bank vice president.(
like Milburn Drysdale on the Bev Hillbillys) Obama puts on a site she worked for a bank?? I guess that makes it less elite!! bank vp's make the big bucks....he is trying to paint himself as the poor humble candidate,who just happened to go to the best schools! he never even visited Kenya til the 80's where his step-grandmother Sarah claimed she was christian, only to be found out it was a lie as she had given an interview to the Times saying she was a devout muslim, as are most of Baracks step-siblings muslim from his fathers 3 marriages. Obama has 8 presidents in his lineage..He is the establishment. Tapped into political life, and when he says words count, how about the words about his humble beginnings that are lies....anbd words do count!

Posted by: Susan | April 12, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Once again Obama gets away with stereotypes and generalizations that he himself will not allow others to get away with. To stereotype people in small towns in PA and the midwest as gun clutching Bible thumpers is boldly arrogant. Just like his "typical white person" comment.

Has anyone picked up on the fact that Obama called for Don Imus to resign after his moronic comments, yet Obama says that he can't "disown" Rev. Wright's absurdities? Or the fact that Obama says that the media has reduced Rev Wright's 35 year career to "snippets", when he's he's reduced Don Imus's 35 year radio career to a single "snippet"? Obama is the epitomy of the double standard. He must be stopped at all costs from gaining the White House. Even if that means voting Republican.

Obama should remind everyone of David Duke. They're both educated and look good in a suit and tie, the only difference being their ideaology. But Obama is equally divisive. He can't even unite the Democratic party, let alone America.

Don't let yourselves be insulted another day by this snake charmer.

Posted by: Outraged | April 12, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Is all about "shoots and ladders" at this point to quote brokeredelection.com. Gaffes and negative attacks will be the only thing that moves the needle now. We already know what the candidates stand for.

Posted by: VA dude | April 12, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

So apparently John McCain told the New Yorker in December that small town America has a negative reaction to outsiders like Hispanic people. Where is the uproar over that? No the only uproar is over Obama's remarks and his pastor's remarks. Small town America you are being used by the Clinton and the McCain campaign for politics. And that really makes me furious, in fact... bitter.

Posted by: Goldie2 | April 12, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

This is the real Obama, a racist, who sees white Americans as gun carrying, bible thumping, anti ethnic group of bitter people.

This goes hand in hand with his statement about typical white people, to include white Americans.

Obama is a closet African American who is secretly still bitter about the past, as Reverend Wright demonstrated, but wants us to think he is not.

Posted by: starbucks1 | April 12, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

At the very least I think it can be said that Obama's recent statement, when considering his reflection upon the message that he wanted to convey, appears to be aligned very closely with the concern that was once conveyed in one of Thomas Jefferson's most famous letters. However, though Obama may sometimes word his thoughts in a quasi-Jeffersonian nature, he may not always express himself exactly as Jefferson would have. And so I ask, was Jefferson considered "an elitest" ? If so, then by who ... the King ?

Posted by: jralger | April 12, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Should Obama be the Democratic nominee, there is no way he can beat John McCain - no way. The country will take another 4 years of the follow-on to Bush before they subscribe to someone, who, at this early stage, believe he IS the POTUS. What arrogance.

Posted by: Obama Is A Loser | April 12, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

What the hell do any of these consultants know about small town values? I tell you this -- Obama is toast in small town Indiana. This isn't just about PA. IN has many more "small towns" than PA and the people I talk to are offended!

Posted by: Hoosier Demo | April 12, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

LOOK AT YOUR LITTLE LADY,

From NBC/NJ's Carrie Dann
GOLDSBORO, NC -- As is evident from political journalists' email boxes today, the Clinton campaign appears to believe it's found a silver bullet -- served with a side of brie and chardonnay -- in Obama's recent controversial comments.

On the same day that Obama's opponents keep their eyes peeled for outrage from small-town America, Bill Clinton is doing a marathon six-stop campaign day in rural eastern North Carolina, a swing billed by one supporter as a "Barbeque Tour."

But the issue doesn't seem to be sticking. Clinton himself has been silent on the issue. But at the first two events of the day, the campaign has sent one of Carolina's hometown boys out to push the issue before Clinton takes the stage. Tom Hendrickson, a Clinton supporter and former Democratic Party chairman, included a reading of Obama's comments in his introduction of Clinton.

"Senator Obama, don't pity us and think that we're bitter and frustrated," he said in Winterville this morning. "We are hard-working family folks who are smart, and we get it. We don't need pundits to tell us what to think."

Hendrickson repeated the sentiment at a later stop in Winston, but dropped the direct mention of Obama as the source of the quote.

In both instances, Hendrickson's speech evidenced little reaction from the crowd, which had been waiting for the main event for over an hour, and appeared to have little tolerance for a parade of surrogates.

By the third stop of the day in Goldsboro, Hendrickson did not even take the stage.

In Goldsboro, close observers noticed a (light) smattering of stickers being worn by attendees. "I'm not bitter!" read the simple rectangular label on the lapels of a couple dozen in the crowd. The campaign says that the stickers are evidence of outrage at the grassroots level.

Yet it's unclear how spontaneous the sentiment was. A boxful of the stickers was spotted at Clinton's first event of the day -- being whisked backstage.

I'M A WOMAN, AND I SERVED THIS COUNTRY FOR 21 YEARS IN THE MILITARY,

AND A STRONG WOMAN DOES NOT STOOP LOW, BUT STANDS TALL ON HER OWN TWO FEET, NOT ASSOCIATION.
DOES EXAGGERATE, WHEN OTHERS LIVES ARE AT STAKE.
DOES SPEND MONEY THERE HUSBANDS BRINGS HOME, WHEN THEY FIND OUT WHERE IT CAME FROM FIRST.
STANDS FAST, ON THEIR CONVICTIONS, NOT RALLY FOR THE, BECAUSE IT MAKE SOMEONE ELSE HAPPY.
CAN READ! AGAIN WHEN IT COMES TO OTHERS LIVES.

OUR TROOP AND OUR COUNTRY CAN NOT BE IN THE HANDS OF SOMEONE WHO CANT ANSWER THE CALL AT 3AM OR 3PM.
CONFUSION, IS NOT AN OPTION, WHEN TROOPS LIVES ARE AT STAKE, WHEN PEOPLES HOMES ARE AT STAKE, WHEN PEOPLES JOBS ARE AT STAKE. ONLY WHEN YOU REALIZE THIS HILLARY AND MCCAIN ARE YOU ABLE TO LEAD ON DAY ONE! AND THAT IS NOT TODAY

Posted by: pam | April 12, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Paul R. You are wrong, dead wrong. At the rally--I think it was Bloomington Ind. Obama struck a chord when he reaffirmed the truth of the pain and bitterness in the populous, and had a thunderous standing ovation

Posted by: Bobby O | April 12, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Agree with Obama??? So...If I live in a small rurual town, and if I lose my job and lose my house...you're telling me that I will lose my mind and my life will then consist of church and/or robbing and killing, because I'm bitter and frustrated?? Okay...well, I guess my fate is sealed...What does Obama suggest to "CHANGE" it? How will he handle satisfying my change (which may not be the same as satisfying your change) while handling the war, housing, healthcare, a recession, cleaning up Bush's mess, and the views of other countries in 3 years? It is the country that is suffering! Later for the change. We need damage control! We need Hillary! I'm not asking you to like her--just do what's right for the country! You can get your change after her and Bill cleans up this mess!

Posted by: Annette | April 12, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Maybe he should have said "PISSED OFF". That's more or less how we feel. He was being polite and diplomatic. Hillary and McCain are so out of touch I wonder at times if the live on the same planet I do.

Posted by: Ingrid | April 12, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

The 2008 P-Campaign has become so petty we are down to silence, any and everything you say can be use against you...

At this point, the candidates can be quite for all I care...

BTW, I undecided between Obama and Clinton...

Posted by: Scott Shipman | April 12, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the information - if I simply read the news reports, I would have thought that a) this was a major issue b) that all Americans fell for the Clinton-McCain dream team crap and c) would not have even gotten half the facts. No one reports that Obama received a standing ovation in Indiana - I had to find that out on a message board. A major network asked why Obama did not discuss the religious issue when he very clearly stated "...They take refuge in their faith and their communities and their families and the things they can count on." That exactly describes the people I come from and this man gets it. I've read message boards from every major newspaper today and you know what people, not pundits, are saying? Obama is telling the truth, we are angry, and we are sick to death of the destructive, petty Clinton politics. The press should be ashamed of itself.

Posted by: Mara | April 12, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

My dog doesn't like my girlfriend, so he bitter.

He real bitter.

Woof woof woof...

get it?

Posted by: pressF1 | April 12, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton claims the people of small town Pennsylvania are not bitter, they are optimistic and working hard to support their families. I think some of you folks who live in the Rust Belt need to drop in on Hillary's next rally and clue her in. She apparently has no idea of what the Clintons' Free (but not necessarily Fair) Trade policies have done to manufacturing jobs. She said her grandpa once worked in a factory...How much do you bet that factory now operates in China or India. No doubt the people are working hard...but probably not at the decent pay they once had...more likely at the only job you could find at Walmart or Burger King.
obama gets it. The thinking public gets it. It's only the political posturers and talking heads that are unaware of what real America thinks.

Posted by: Joyce | April 12, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I think it is interesting to note that there was a little more than scattered applause from the audience at Obama's statement. Not a lot, but some. Seems there were folks who agreed with him.

Karen, you are dangerous. And bitter. Where does so much hate come from? Being bitter for a long, long time? I'll have a good thought for your health.

Paul R

Posted by: Paul R | April 12, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

i'm for obama and i'm angry that he is apologizing for a cynical distortion by hillary and mccain. everybody i know knows someone different that lost their job in the last 6 months. they are bitter and many of them are blaming trade and immigration.

for once a politician has spoken the hard truth and hillary is twisting it back to misinform those who support her.

Posted by: asja | April 12, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

19 US soldiers killed this week and the media is biting at this nonsense?

Clinton and McCain would do better to tell us how we deal with the Middle East than taking cheap pot-shots at Obama.

Posted by: Brendan | April 12, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Windrider, when he lays the truth on you--that like Bush, he truthfully doesn't care what you think...what will you think then? Take off the rose-colored glasses, take the blue pill and WAKE UP! Stop trying to make the rectangle fit the square! Is it really true that people in small towns don't have any money so they amuse themselves by doing one of two things? Go to church 24/7 or get their guns to either rob or shoot up everything? He's saying that people in small towns mentality is such that their existence is based on a choice of extrementies: Holy Roller or Thug Life. Other than that, they have no life worth mentioning or bothering with. Who is he to know? He never grew up in a small rural town, no doubt as Hillary or McCain has. You don't forget where you came from, and you shouldn't speak of it if you have never been. So, yes, Hillary and McCain can talk. The only truth that I'm getting is that Obama doesn't know what he's talking about, he only wants your vote. Wake up and let's fix this country, not continue in the blind. Hillary or McCain are the only qualified choices. I am a Democrat and I'm for Hillary. Obama needs to garner more experience for me to trust putting my life and my husband's, who is in Iraq, in his care. Obama talks but he doesn't state his plan on how he's going to change or fix anything. Book smarts is good, but a lot of street smarts is even better.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

what's wrong with bitter if you lose your job and the hope of getting nother --why is this elist? Darn, if I were in the same situtation, bitter would be an understatement.

Posted by: jmh | April 12, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

I think when people are down on their luck, especially when factories are closing and going overseas or they lose their pension or they can't get health insurance, they do commit more strongly to the things that they believe in. If they are religious, it becomes the thing that brings them comfort. If they are a hunter, then they might draw comfort from their hunting sport. That is all "cling" means. It wasn't the best word, but that is what it means... to hold tightly to something. Unfortunately, people are not seeing Obama's remark in the complete context... of being let down by Washington by both parties and having their jobs and their pensions disappear. And if you have been listening to Rush Limbaugh or Lou Dobbs you know that they are blaming illegal immigrants every day for everything and some people are listening to Limbaugh and Dobbs and believing them. Do they deny it? I wish instead of believing Dobbs and Limbaugh they would be supporting the candidate that is trying to get Washington to change, but instead some people are believing Limbaugh and Dobbs and others who go on and on about the wedge issues to distract people from voting for someone who will really work for change. And if Clinton wants to do Limbaugh's work for him, then she just ain't my candidate.

Posted by: Lynn | April 12, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

The petty Clinton and her campaign are unable to understand the depthness of Obama statement and harping on for narrow poltical gain by nonsense allegation on Obama. I have never seen an honest politician like Obama in the modern world politics.I think Obama is now contesting with two republicans Hillary the looser and MaCain!

Posted by: ashri | April 12, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

By looking over the internet, it seems that the vast amount of people agree with Obama. Also, most Clinton supporters seem to agree with him.

So maybe it is the media who is "vastly out of touch".

Breathtaking, aint it?

Posted by: Brendan | April 12, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

I see the worthless Washington media is playing this one out of context just as they have the Wright sermons. Pretty pathetic when your livelihood depends on misleading the public to drum up advertising revenue for your employer. But there they are. Pitiful, pitiful people who play no constructive role in our society. Just sad.

Posted by: Mark | April 12, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry; Barack will weather this storm. All he needs to do is give a speech, have the media wet themselves in excitement and claim it's the best speech on small town America given by anyone in a generation.

Seriously, however, I am an increasingly disillutioned Democrat, who can't figure out why so many in my party are willing to ride off the political cliff in November clinging to Obama. These recent comments behind closed doors (that were never meant to reach the light of day) show a serious lack of judgment on his part. The economic bitterness some people may feel has not sent them rushing to their guns or to their churches or to hold bigoted ideas about people. That is such a preposterous proposition that Obama should have known better than to assert. And if he doesn't, then he is not only not qualified to be the Democratic nominee, but he will most certainly lose in November.

However, I don't think Obama was being elitist. What he was being was ignorant to the cultural values of an entire democraphic. Unless he learns more about small American towns, he should do the party a favor and stop talking about them. The psycho-babbling he engaged in about rural people, guns, religion, immigration,etc., didn't really belittle THEM; it made HIM look stupid.

Posted by: Stewart | April 12, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

"Obama campaign chief strategist David Axelrod sought to put Obama's remarks in context...."

The precise context: Obama was behind closed door in San Francisco talking to an audience of wealthy, privileged contributors.

If you're coal miner in Pennsylvania, you might find it enlightening to learn what Obama says about you when he thinks you will never hear his words.

Posted by: WylieD | April 12, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Let's see now...George W. goofed off at an elitist college and Obama actually studied at one. So that makes George W. a good ol' boy and Obama an elitist, a little more Harvard and a lot less the streets of Chicago. I don't buy it.

Posted by: steve clark | April 12, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

i'm so ashamed and proud @ the same time What a paradox our country is becoming and is going through. As I have been studying the blogs from many sources and trying to detect gender from the context, I found that more men support Hillary than women do. I think this tells us a lot about our society. If you can just take a step back and think about what you are writing.
80% of the men write logically 20% emotionally. 56% of the women write emotionally while about 30%write logically an 14% are torn yet either overly excited or confused.
You may say how i could tell this is boggus. well maybe. But first of all women's blogs are easily detectable. ofcourse there are less than 1% who purposly try to confuse their gender ID. For better or for for worse at least I took the time to study this because I care about what is happening to our country.
I tried to tacle the race difference it was harder but nonetheless visible. I found AA men like white men are not as harsh on Hillary and the hillary AA supporter are older looking from the experience they write about they go from 40 + to 60+ Younger AA are plain rude and could not tell if they were male or female because younger crowd have a new unisex language now like one size fits all. and they can be explosive at times.As I said earlier the race study is not conclusive and I'm still at it.Anyway this is notthe firsttime that I'm proud of the men of this country Hillary need to have more of them to come down from Mars to win this thing.

Posted by: lsye101 | April 12, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

I have homes in NC & PA where I was raised in a family of coal miners & to this day I pay mine subsidance insurance. For all the Obama supporters who want to WORM out of this statement, it seems pretty clear and pretty offensive.

Ad if you want to quantify the offense, then you've still got to deal with the political tone deafness of the remarks.

Posted by: Diane | April 12, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Ok. Clintonians! Obama has apologized that should make you and Hillary happy.... but Obama will still clinch the nomination. So, good luck!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

You don't need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing on this story (pun intended).

If this results in a double digit win for Hillary Clinton it will be a big deal in the eyes of super delegates.

And the non-apology apology: very weak and lame & will hurt him more than the actual, offensive remarks itself. Hard to use the defense of "these remarks were taken out of context" when you have the tape.

Let see if this runs big on Meet The Press or if NBC will apply the Obama double standard rule.

Posted by: Fred C Dobbs | April 12, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

What's wrong with the "great one"? I believe he does better when he zeroxes. His own "words" get his a** in a crack.

Posted by: Chief | April 12, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

For all of you who keep bringing up the pastor thing, then tell me why Clinton has been praying with a conservative evangelical group called "The Family" since 1993. The 90s was when she was ranting about the vast right-wing conspiracy and then secretly praying with those people like Ashcroft, Brownback and Inhofe. She hasn't been questioned on this at all. I can understand if she did this because she saw good in them, even though she disagreed with them, like Obama saw good in his pastor even though he disagreed with him on some things. But for her to believe this and then rant and rave about them in public is a mystery. Why doesn't anyone ask her about this very conservative group that she got her spiritual solace through?

Posted by: Goldie2 | April 12, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

By Pam from Philadelphia, PA 18 minutes ago
Why I am bitter:
1)I am bitter because of the state of our economy
2)I am bitter because our jobs are being shipped overseas
3)I am bitter because we are fighting a war we shouldn't have waged.
4)I am bitter because we are spending $10b every month in iraq, money that we need seriously here.
5)I am bitter that Iraq has about $50b of its money lodged in foreign account, while we are using tax payer's money to rebuild the country.
6)I am bitter that we are losing the effort to catch Osama Bin Lladen.
7)I am bitter that our great country has lost its respect in the international forum.
8)I am bitter that our dollars has become a laughing stock of the world. That right here in the states, some businesses no longer accepts the dollar as a legal tender.
9)I am bitter because hardworking folks are being laid off their jobs and have lost all their savings.
10)I am bitter that honest and hard working folks are facing foreclosures.
11)I am bitter because the solution to the foreclosure problem from our law makers is to reward the mortgage banks and people who created the problem in the first place, while providing nothing for the people at the risk of losing their homes.
12) I am bitter because we keep borrowing from china and other countries, thereby leaving debts upon debts for the future generation.
13) I am bitter because there are so many other reasons why I should be bitter and our government is doing nothing to fix it.
14) Finally, I am bitter because the only person amongst our presidential candidates who recognizes that I'm bitter and that I have a genuine reason to be, is being crucified for saying the truth.

I live in Philadelphia, where people have resorted to all these thing, and crime is out of control. WHY, BECAUSE THEY ARE BITTER!
I
t's just another shift tactic, from what is going on in her/and his own back yard.


REMEMBER WHAT HE PROMISED US!

"I don't intend to be a President who tells you what you want to hear...but rather, a President who tells you what you need to hear in order to try and move this country forward.

Posted by: pam | April 12, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

So he basically said "religion is the opiate of the masses", and these people's belief in god only stems from their bitterness.

Or are we going to ignore the full text of what he said and focus solely on the word "bitter"?

The "bitter" isn't what gets him in over his head. The trying to state that religion, gun rights, and anti-immigration stem from bitterness is his problem.

"...they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations"

Anyone else got a better explanation for that phrasing? Apparently these redneck rubes aren't as savvy and their bitterness leads them to cling to anti-trade, anti-immigration, racism, guns, and religion. Whereas Obama can show them the way away from their bitterness, so they won't need to cling to these things anymore, right?

Because you know, religion is obviously wrong; and stems from bitterness, just like racism.

I think he's going to have to do some more spinning to try to explain that away... Maybe redefining the word "cling" in the process.

Posted by: Gekkobear | April 12, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Does Obama's damage control crew realize how angry their obvious effort to spin this is making people?

Its not about "bitter"

Its about telling the opposite thing on the same issue to two different groups of people.

Trying to spin this is only going to get people even more angry.

Posted by: Its about beiing two faced not about being bitter | April 12, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

The cable channels are having a field day with this non-story, asking how Obama is going to tamp down this "firestorm". If Hillary Clinton can tamp down a firestorm (media treated it more like a camp fire) on her lying about being under sniper fire in Bosnia and if McCain can continue campaigning after admitting support for a hundred years of war in Iraq, I think Obama should be okay.

Posted by: Gardenia | April 12, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Now you see the arrogance and self-inflated ego of a man who has obviously not lived or experienced enough for us to put our well-fare in his hands. What I take note of is his speaking. Notice how he tries to "talk" like them? It's manipulation at its worse, and is totally insulting. It's the little things that we do that shows the total character of who we are, what we represent, and how we have lived our lives. Talk is cheap; anyone can tell you what you want to hear, just be sure to LISTEN to how they say it and why they say it--what does he have to gain. He's another Bush-the-manipulator shadowed by the influences of Wright, his advisor. Only when it is brought to his attention does he realize the obvious. No doubt, only when he is told to "apologize" does he even think to do it.

Posted by: Annette | April 12, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Has American politics rendered me bitter? I would have to say...YES! How could any sane person not be? B.S. in such enormous quantities continuously from our politicians, Republican and Democratic, is bound to have an impact.

Posted by: John, Oakland, CA | April 12, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Her takes every side on every issue all at the same time.

Great idea for a computer.

Lousy idea for a President.

Posted by: Obama is a human quantum computer | April 12, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

What we didn't like about the 90s is NAFTA and China that Bill brought to this country!

What we didnt like about the 90s is that Bill & Hill let Rwanda go unquestioned!

What we didnt like about the 90s is that Bill & Hill let bin Laden off the hook when he had the chance to get him and kill him.

What we didnt like about the 90s is that Clinton made us loose both the Congess!

What we didnt like about the 90s is that Bill disgraced the White House with another young woman!

What we didnt like about the 90s is that Hillary managed single-handedly to split the Democratic Party and made them disagree against themselves becoz of her stupid healthcare that didnt involve Americans!

What we didn't like about the 90s...

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

The Clintons don't have 109 million "in the bank". Most of it has been spent on taxes, charities, or living and campaign expenses. She loaned 5 million to her campaign. Doesn't that show commitment?

Posted by: John | April 12, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the angry white male should finally rally around a Democratic candidate instead of a republican one. We're angry about losing jobs. What is the difference between angry and bitter? Hillary maybe just doesn't get the point. Is McCain talking down NAFTA? No. He likes the trade deals. Hillary is making another one of those history changes, saying she didn't support NAFTA when it passed, but she did. If Obama is the only one to understand the anger, then Obama should be our choice.

Posted by: Will | April 12, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Has Barack Hussein Obama actually worked a hard day in his life? Being a liberal lawyer and hanging around Jessie "the race-baiter" Jackson is not my idea of hard work. What has he accomplished on his own, and not what he has been reward with based on the color of his skin? ANSWER: NOTHING!
But all you liberal fools are once again following someone based on looks. Didn't having a sexual predator in the White House for 8 years teach you people anything? LIBERALISM....the gutless choice!

Posted by: Speed Racer | April 12, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Obama continues to speak the truth. Hillary continues to attack. She isn't winning herself any votes, but she is helping McCain. You go girl? Not.

Posted by: andre gill | April 12, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Obama talks down to people just like the Clintons lie and fabricate. The world is as it is not how the press and the candidates spin spin spin until there is no truth

Posted by: nclwtk | April 12, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

OK, one more time. Nobody, certainly not Senator Clinton, is saying anybody doesn't have a right to be bitter or frustrated. They do have a right not to have their noses rubbed in it though.

Posted by: John | April 12, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Obama's in full damage control mode and is trying to bury the fact that he has been caught saying the exact opposite things about religion and guns to different groups of people.

Barry Obama's done that his whole career, going back to his Harvard days.

Its not about "speaking the truth"

Barry wouldn't know how to do that if his life depended on it.

Its not about "bitterness"

Its about the fact that the guy tells one thing to one group and the opposite thing to another and does it with a straight face.

What is his real position on anything?

Only his Pastor knows for sure.

Posted by: Obama is totally two-faced | April 12, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

You need to understand that
Obama is pointing the finger
at the Neo-Con structure flaw.


Thus the Neo-Con architecs are
going to go BANANAS!!! when
someone points to the problems.

God Bless Obama, here really is for change!!!

Posted by: Holy Crap!!! | April 12, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Bah! I'm an HRC supporter and I think this whole 'bitter' ploy is just more republican faux outrage. HRC should not support these types of attacks. I refute the right's attempt to impose some form of PC correctness on reality, as has been done with our country for the last 7 years. Small towners hang on to religion, guns and xenophobia because they are typically uneducated, afraid of change, and unable to think for themselves. End of story.

Posted by: D. Poniatowski | April 12, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

When are the Obama zealots going to stop blaming Sen. Clinton when Obama makes a misstatement? His true colors are finally rearing their ugly head. He is an elitist and does believe he is better than middle America. It's like Ed Rendell the gov. of PA asked, what didn't you like about the 90s, the peace or the prosperity? HILLARY 08!

Posted by: jeiken@comcast.net | April 12, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA has been insulting the American public since day one but the media has ignored it and his "followers" are in denial.

Posted by: max | April 12, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Has the mention of "gun" become the new "black?" And what's Hillary's position on guns and religion?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

109 million in the bank makes someone elitist; no more good old boy, time to protect what you/ve got Hillary obviously lost her bearings when she was fired on in Bosnia,where of course no one is bitter.
Hillary has more bitterness her than all of PA combined

Posted by: nclwtk | April 12, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Bitter???

About lies on the ground in Bosnia or Iraq?

Posted by: Scott | April 12, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

this guy is probably an american trying to be stupid.

Habib El-Hassan Ali you are trying to make this name evil just think in the same token the muslim think your name is evil.

I am African American should I be bitter that my ancestrial name is lost forever??

Posted by: djw | April 12, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

I am bitter and angry at the government that doesnt seem to care! I believe Obama was talking to people like me, and I live in those small town America too. So I want Hillary and McSame to know that I am really, really, BITTER! and I want a change in government. Obama is the only candidate I am voting for and will vote for. Get a life Hillary!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

John McCain, supposed foreign policy expert, can't remember the difference between Sunni and Shi'a and publicly claims that Iran is training Al Qaeda in Iraq -- at a Senate hearing on the war in Iraq, no less.

This has virtually zero impact pn the corporate controlled media.

Obama says something inempt about guns and religion and suddenly its page one news and a "firestorm."

If you want to understand why this country is so royally f*cked, you couldn't ask for a better demonstration of the corporate media's role.

Posted by: Peter Principle | April 12, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Has Hillary Clinton's whiny claims about bias made the press so gun-shy they try to twist every Obama comment into a scandal. What did he say that was untrue? You may not like his wording but he is accurately describing some voters. Compare that to the shameless lies told by the despicable "I'll say and do anything to win" Hillary Clinton. This race isn't even a close call. Obama in '08!

Posted by: RealChoices | April 12, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Lets be real here. Obama is so correct in his statement. American blue collar workers are bitter about the countrys economice structure or it would not be so much controversy to look for negativity in every word he states. You know I was taught some stuff you must overlook like computers garbage in and garbage out. Basically everyone knows at least tax payors and non working class folks no how bitter our situation is with the dollar in America. So, don't shoot the messenger. Say its about time the truth was told and someone had the nerve to no longer want to candy coat the facts like the other riff raff are doing. Keep it real and clean up the mess. We need someone to stop playing blue collar - white collar games with our bitter economy and make a change. GO AHEAD OBAMA....YOU HAVE MY VOTE. WHEN I GET PAID ...YES I FEEL BITTER BUT I PRAY AND TRUST GOD KNOWING THIS LIFE AIN'T IT. THOSE WITH MONEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING BUT WINE ABOUT SOME WHO ARE AT LEAST SPEAKING THE TRUTH TO HAVE NERVE TO MAKE A CHANGE !!!!

Posted by: PRAY WITH ANGEL | April 12, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Hillary = Liar Hate-Monger

The Washington Post = Liar Hate-Mongering Supporter Propaganda Rag

Posted by: Holy Crap!!! | April 12, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse


AS YOU ALL KNOW, of course:

The only issue here is whether the Clintons can whip this up into something.

No one is insulted. No one cares, it's a none item, silly..it's only if the Clintons can make something of it. The BEST they have.

They couldn've used something else...just that they settled on this.
Ugly, wretched, nothing to offer but
fights. THAT should be our president? With Billy beside?

Posted by: Please | April 12, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

These silly "gotcha" moments will NOT have any impact on he final vote. Most who are bothered by this, were already bothered by Obama and would not have voted for him anyway. Few would turn to Hillary Obama based on these few "ill-advised" comments. Once people get on the Obama train few get off. Polling has verfied this. Very little backward movement in Obama's numbers was noted even during the height of the Pastor Wright controvesy. He will survive this and probably even come out better for it all.

Posted by: Bob, DC | April 12, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Wow!! There is no corporatist bias in this account. No sir!!! Typical of the Chris Cillizza profile. I need to take a shower. According to Hillary, parroting the corporatista criticism of Obama's statements:

(1) To turn to religion when under stress is bad. Really!!??

(2) To turn to guns and hunting when under stress due to helplessness imposed by others is bad, in spite of the general knowledge that guns, hunting and outdoor activity are experienced as empowering by those who turn to them.

(3) The tendency to blame "scapegoats" when one's trust and needs are betrayed, in this case, by both corporations and government, is well established by the sciences of psychology and sociology. Therefore, this is a HUMAN dynamic, not a Pennsylvania dynamic.

Seizing on this pale and thinly contrived issue almost a week after it occurred is just one more measure of the escalating desperation in the Clinton campaign. The Clinton campaign is one in which Clinton's management skills have been frequently found wanting, compared to the discipline and orderliness of Obama's campaign. Which quality is better in a President?

As a resident of Johnstown in the heart of Pennsylvania's "rust belt", I can testify to the scale of frustration, betrayal, heartbreak, and yes "bitterness" that still lingers three decades after steel began the sacrifice of businesses of every kind on the alter of corporate greed. Show me the number of Pennsylvanians who buy into this ridiculous faux issue and I will show you the number of knaves and fools in Pennsylvania. God help us if there are enough of those to elect Clinton and turn the election over to the corporations.

Posted by: Nofoolhere | April 12, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Obammunists just don't get it. No one argues bitterness. They argue that Obama said that these people go to religion and guns and antipathy towards stranger because of their bitterness. These people had religion and guns and a rational dislike of illegal immigration when things were good. He tried to tell people why their beliefs are wrong and misguided. He is a pompous fool. It is never about Bitterness, though the media tried to skew it that way.

Posted by: Karen | April 12, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

andrew wrote:
The real problem with Obama the gifted orator, is his audacity and his arrogance.
He is not willing to do the hard work at any of his elected positions to get anything done.
He only wants to get elected to a higher office as soon as possible.
Hillary has done the hard work well and with great commitment, while shouldering huge criticism, a sign of character.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Yeah like duck sniper fire hahahahahahahaha
I am on the floor laughing hahahahaha

Posted by: djw | April 12, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

To the supervisors and monitors of this site:
I protest the 4:40 entry of Habib El-Hassan Ali. I suspect the name is an alias. But my principle objection has to do with the obviously false material he has infected this blog with. I respectfully request that this be removed as unworthy of this use of the internet.

Posted by: Bobby O | April 12, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

This post is troubling because it shows clearly that Chris Cizzilla is unwilling, or perhaps unable to say what many reasonable, non-partisan people are thinking: that Obama spoke the truth.

It makes me wonder, what is the purpose of a blog feature attached to a newspaper? When journalists write for the newspaper, they have to maintain their objectivity and are not free to express their opinions, which is healthy, I think. Shouldn't the blog be the place where they offer analysis and interpretation? I don't think Cizzilla is offering either. Even by the standards of objective journalism, this is a weak showing, relying on the 'he said, she said' formula. As Stephen Colbert would put it, this is stenography, not journalism.

Ironically, the one place where Cizzilla offers an interpretation, he is not only wrong but repeating an old Republican talking point. John Kerry said, "I voted for the war before I voted against it." This was not a verbal gaffe - it was a wry commentary about how the Senate works - sometimes you don't get to choose which parts of a large, omnibus bill you support, and which you don't, particularly if you're in the minority.

Maybe if this were explained to us regularly by the press, Cizzilla wouldn't have to use lazy, erroneous shorthand, because we would have accurate information.

I give Cizzilla credit for putting his views in public and subjecting his writing to commentary by the (sometimes harsh) public. However, this blog entry is another example of how Colbert's words are still one of the best metrics we have for determining what is meaningful journalism and what is a professional equivalent of a book report.

Posted by: getdeb | April 12, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

We are bitter. Bitter that our country's being screwed into the ground by incompetant boobs. Bitter that the government of by the people, for the people, is killing the middle class for the ultra rich. Bitter that the press and the government feed us crap and pat us on the head and tell us everything is just fine.

Posted by: Glen | April 12, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

I am bitter and I don't live in PA!!! I'm also bitter about an illegal war that has cost us over 4,000 American lives, in addition to the many innocent Iraqi lives. I'm bitter that the country that I love is hated and dispised. I'm Bitter and Mad as Hell that Hillary Clinton and her slick a** husband take us all for fools. When I attended the Nevada Caucas I was undecided and leaning towards Hillary, because like many in my age group (59) I remember the 90's. What struck me during the Caucas was the call for CHANGE ... we need a President who won't lie to us and who will tell it like it is and treat us like the ADULTS that we are. It's called TOUGH love and those of us who are parents know what TOUGH love means. We can't hide out pretending that everything that has happened in the past isn't influencing our uncertainty now. We need to Get on with it and elect a President who stands for the American people and who brings about the Change that we desperately need. Sorry Hillary, but in order to bring about a true Change we have to let the Past go... that would include you and your Husband.

Posted by: MsCjay | April 12, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

I see that a lot of people on this blog are bitter. This is why their are negative comments

Posted by: djw | April 12, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

I guess I am just one of those bitter people that Clinton and McCain say don't exist. This time I am voting my wallet, instead of those others issues. And I'm voting for Obama. The Clintons are for NAFTA and McCain has turned into another same old Republican. Obama gets my vote. At least he thinks that I am real.

Posted by: Len | April 12, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Wrong, John
1 "he initially said he never heard his pastor say controversial things." Wrong, John. He said he had heard him say controversial things but not those particular celebrated things.
2. "He said he would have quit the church had Wright not retired in the last year - but at the same time he was a member of the church for 20 years" Since these offending remarks didn't come --all taken out of context -- until just before the Ohio primary (intersting timing) He could not retroactively withdraw from the church 20 years ago. Please try to make sense, John.
3. "He says he takes the Clintons at their word that they weren't making racially charged statements in South Carolina - but at the same time he allows his surrogates to call them racists on every political show and news program in America." Well, that is one half point for you John. Surrogates will be surrogates. It's a little like the slimey slanders that the Clinton people have perpertrated
4. "He says he will unite America - but when responding to this latest flap he says Hillary Clinton is beholden to big financial companies at the expense of working folks." Wrong, John. Nonsequitor reasoning, a logical falacy. Wrong John.
5. "He doesn't address why he equate job losses with faith in God or a culture that appreciates gun ownership." Wrong, John. It's perfectly clear in the context of his original SF statement that the gun ownership and religion issues are simply ways people focus their frustration and "bitterness." He is not slamming religion, but pointing sensitively to the unhealthy use of religion.
So John, on 5 points, you struck out on 4.5. Not too good a batting average. Back to the minors.

Posted by: Bobby O | April 12, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Some people are really grasping at straws. I don't live in Pennsylvania I live in Maryland my daugher can not find a jod, my cousin in NY has been out of work for 2 years are they bitter Heck Yeah!!!! If this in the only thing you can get on Obama then I guess Bush got away with murder!!!

Posted by: djw | April 12, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

The real problem with Obama the gifted orator, is his audacity and his arrogance.
He is not willing to do the hard work at any of his elected positions to get anything done.
He only wants to get elected to a higher office as soon as possible.
Hillary has done the hard work well and with great commitment, while shouldering huge criticism, a sign of character.

Posted by: andrew | April 12, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Chris


Let us be clear: The offending remark is not about bitterness.


The offending remark is that somehow the people in small town America have taken the wrong response to difficult times.


That somehow "religion" is the wrong path - that somehow small town America is being lame and "bitter" and that is the main reason the problems are persisting.

IT has nothing to do with the democrats who have SOLD out small town American time and time again.

Obama at this point really has no business in the US Senate - if Jack Ryan had not dropped out of the race, Obama would have had a much more difficult time running for his office. Perhaps Obama might even have a better understanding of small town Illinois.

At this point, small town Illinois should be asking for Obama to resign - these remarks are simply too offensive.

It also matters that Obama has not been doing his job in Washington, that is reason enough. No hearing on the NATO committee which is the ONLY responsibility he has been given???


Are we on the same planet here when it comes to "job evaluation" ???


Posted by: Words of Wisdom | April 12, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

tis the season to be outraged and indignant. i think the best way for sen obama to answer this is to throw it hard directly back at mccain (and to a lesser extent, clinton). "of course they're upset that i said that there are people in America who are angry at government's failures," they've both been in washington for the last 16 years promising solutions.

Posted by: st paul sage | April 12, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I am so disappointed by the harsh attacks of Obama on anyone that dares to criticise him, that dares to tarnish his reputation. Sometimes I wonder if he really is flesh and blood.

Posted by: zeeger | April 12, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

LIER! LIER! LIER! Dishonest Hillary Clinton!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Hussein Obama is a scumbag that hates white people....the proof is irrefutable.

Posted by: Tyrone | April 12, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Langx: Your right the state is bitter and miserable with an inferiority complex of New York.

Pitt and Philadelphia are arm pits and then you have the state of Alabama between them.

The Amish are drug addicts and yes York County is the home of the KKK.

What a state.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I think Obama will find a lot of bitter folks rallying to his side. Both of the Clintons brought us NAFTA (though she tries to deny it, she spoke up for it 5 times). McCain wants us all to tough it out, after flip-flopping and now saying he has to give those tax cuts to the rich, because, my goodness, Bush was right about them. I like Obama's view of the world... instead of voting on issues like guns and abortion, vote to get change done and then sound off to our elected people when they don't deliver. I think we need the Bitter Folks Coalition to get our backs up and shout, sort of like that old movie... I think Network... "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore!" only this time it is "I'm bitter as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore!"

Posted by: Lynn | April 12, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Obama has offended every small town in every swing state.


It would be a massive laugh if he wasn't actually running for an important position.


I just do not believe the Obama people are taking this Presidential election very seriously. They are making their decisions based on other reasons besides who would be the best President.

Posted by: Words of Wisdom | April 12, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Pennysylvania's problems are a result of Alan Greenspans policies, executed with John McCain's backing

Posted by: observer | April 12, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm for Obama. I don't need the press to tell me what to think. I will never vote, as long as I live, for another establishment candidate. If I end up never voting for the winner so be it. But at least I won't feel guilty for the dead boys in Iraq or that I helped keep the lobbyists in charge.

Posted by: Paul J. Nolan | April 12, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Obama and his supporters can't spin their way out of this one.

Its not about bitterness.

Its about being totally two faced.

To one group he loves religion.

To another he says its stupid.

To one group he's a gun nut.

To another group he says "guns are nuts'

The guy is a total BS artist.

He's as two faced as can be.

Nobody but his pastor knows what he really thinks.

Posted by: Obama can't talk himself out of this one | April 12, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Obama's run is as good as over. Along with the revelation of his wife's and pastor's thoughts on America, his own
'holier than thou' attitude towards the middle class proves Obama unelectable.
He might as well fold his tent and leave the race!

Posted by: ashish | April 12, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

I saw Barack at the mosque the other day for lunchtime prayers. He brought a real nice prayer mat. We washed our feet together then listened to FaraKKKhan's three hours of hate.
Barry really got into it.

Saw Michelle too. She had a real nice Burqa on...cool shade of blue.

Posted by: Habib El-Hassan Ali | April 12, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Obama is an elitist snob and has no understanding of most Americans lives. It took him talking to his deep pocket friends in San Francisco for this to come out and for us to discover what he really believes.

He wants to say we are bitter because we cling to our faith. What does that say about him sitting in J. Wright's church for 20 years? He could turn his back on anti-Semitic sentiment all that time and then say Americans are bitter and anti-immigrant. And he will be destroyed in the general election on the gun issue. He checked off a questionaire saying Americans should not be able to carry a handgun and he was a constitutional law professor. News for Obama: a lot of Americans like to hunt and protect themselves and they are allowed to do so by the 2nd amendment.

I love how his supporters like to dream that Obama will be able to win Colorado and Virginia with those views on guns.

If he wins this primary, say hello to President McCain in 2009. God help this country.

Posted by: Bob from PA | April 12, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Why apologize when your right.
PA is a bitter state.

The city of brotherly love should be renamed The city of brotherly hate.

I've worked in a number of counties in PA and the people barely speak to each other.

You can work on the same floor with the same people for years and not one good morning.

Collegeville, King of Prussia, Malvern Miserable people.

The state is home to the capital of the KKK. York County.

I moved to NJ about 5 years ago and I can tell you it's definitely a much happier place.

If you visit PA don't argue with anyone. You might get shot.

They have roves of kids beating on people
on the public transportation system.

It's been going on for years but it didn't make the news until a white person was attacked and died.


Posted by: langx | April 12, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Being a native Pennsylvanian and having lived there when times were tough in the 1950's, Barack Obama has insulted the intelligence of not only Pennsylvanians who try to do their best to live decent lives in difficult times, he has insulted
every person in this country who struggles each and everyday who struggle for themselves and their families. I have a post-graduate degree and have been blessed in many ways through hard work and decipline, so when I hear someone like Obama "talk down" to middle America as he has done time and again during this campaign, it makes me believe that the change he portends is nothing other than his way of saying "elect me" and I will fix it for you....sure Barack....sure. More promises just to get votes. Just go away - we don't need someone like you as our Head of State

Posted by: Jaye | April 12, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I am deeply disappointed at Hillary's latest line of attack. I know that politics is competitive, but it's NOT a game like Hllary has turned it into. Politics is part and parcel of life, we should all feel apart of it, but Hillary has turned it into a game of "gotcha!" which is just a bunch of nonesense. Surely, does Hillary really believe that Obama is an elitist? This is her way of scoring political points, and she is willing to destroy us in order to get what she wants. I am so tired of this Party, and if the "superdelegates" vote according to Hillary's needs, the some of her backers advocate, i.e. Evan, then I will politely leave. This is getting so petty for nothing, really.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Frankly, I don't get it. What's the big deal? So what if he thinks some people are bitter? Why is this bad? Why does he have to apologize? This is just another non-issue the media is over emphasizing. If this is all that is wrong with Obama then Clinton and McCain are in big trouble. This is idiocy!

Posted by: Washington DC | April 12, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

The petty Clinton campaign are unable to understand the depthness of Obama statement and harping on for narrow poltical gain by nonsense allegation on Obama. I have never seen an honest politician like Obama in the modern world politics.I think Obama is now contesting with to republicans Hillary and MaCain!

Posted by: Ashri | April 12, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Bah...just more of the "gotcha" media crap which has already gone on too long in this campaign. As many of the other posters have pointed out, Obama was speaking the truth, and had the nerve to use an "insensitive" word to describe what is in the minds of many. Hillary's "shock" at his choice of wording strikes me as among her least successful poses.

Posted by: TaylorB1 | April 12, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I think Hillary should leave this one alone. I am a HRC supporter, but I know what he means.

I just dont want to see this one backfire on our Hillary.

Hillary 08

Posted by: Joplin | April 12, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Adam,

Can you state why Obama cannot win the General? Is is that you are a brainwashed HRC supporter?

Or just a scared supporter of John McCain.

The person who cannot win is the lying, polarizing, condescending, sleep deprived, 56% of Americans dont trust her Hillary Clinton.

She is polarizing and no independent and a continuingly growing number of Obama supporters will not support her ever. Her lies, desperation and spin will not win me over again.

I admit I voted for her in Florida before I became familiar with Barack Obama call for change. But that vote will not be cast again for her or for John McCain.

She lost me during her schizophrenic rantings heading into Ohio and Texas.

I believe she must be the devil reincarnate.

Posted by: Dawn | April 12, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

Who really cares what the "pundustry" has to say about it?

Besides, they are so predictable that you could simply have listed the names, party affiliations (and stopped right there for the Republicans) and what candidate they are supporting, without tacking on the quotes.

I'm still waiting for the "Wag the Blog - Redux" on the post entitled "A Question of Temperament" - you know, the one where you were overwhelmingly spanked.

I still read you, but I wonder why more and more...

Posted by: Pagun | April 12, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Superdelegates of the World UNITE !!!!!

Posted by: Words of Wisdom | April 12, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters love to point to Obama's words to refute or "clarify" prior statements. Or refer to his books. Why does everything this guy say ring 100% to so many of his supporters?
Look folks - he has been caught in enough lies for us to realize that is a politician. A good one and certainly better than most but he has been caught talking out of both sides of his mouth enough times for us to have the normal cynicism we should have for all politicians.
Let's recap - he initially said he never heard his pastor say controversial things. Then he backtracked and said he had.
He said he would have quit the church had Wright not retired in the last year - but at the same time he was a member of the church for 20 years and admitted he heard a lot of "offensive" statements. He's trying to have it both ways here.
He says he takes the Clintons at their word that they weren't making racially charged statements in South Carolina - but at the same time he allows his surrogates (who speak for him) to call them racists on every political show and news program in America.
He says he will unite America - but when responding to this latest flap he says Hillary Clinton is beholden to big financial companies at the expense of working folks. To Obama, big companies are evil even when no one is forcing people to use their products. He doesn't address why he equate job losses with faith in God or a culture that appreciates gun ownership.
And he has his surrogates play up this 100 million in income for the Clintons. Like people in their 60s who spent almost their whole lives in public service should be criticized for writing books and giving speeches while making big bucks off of it.
Let's get real with this guy - he may be the best candidate out there (though I am a Hillary supporter) but let's not put his visage on Mt. Rushmore quite yet.

Posted by: John | April 12, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Hillary could not have waited long enough. This "bitter" line of attack from from he Clinton campaign is BS. What we, the Dems need to talk about now is what Obama pointed out in that piece - the deteriorating economic conditions, Iraq war, high gas prices, etc. We are supposed to be concentrating our efforts in fighting McCain's policies, or lack of thereof, becoz they're Bush's failed policies. Hillary wants to drag out this campaign because she knows deep down that Obama has a better chance, she is panicking because Obama is widening his lead nationally, and closing in in PA and IN. She can't think why we spared her with those lies about Bosnia, Bill's $800,000 from the Colombians, Penn's $300,000 from the Colombians! NAFTA and China which were reinforced under Clinton administration...

Hillary, wake up and talk about stuff that matters to us, not grudges that matter to you.

Posted by: Ihateliers, WV | April 12, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Clinton has done one thing that I didn't think was possible. She has made me embarrassed to be a Democrat. How disappointing that she makes it clear that many of us are all about winning no matter what the cost to the party.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Get over it. Obama rocks.

Posted by: gregguevara | April 12, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Why are you getting so many responses from Republican Party operatives? I could tell you in advance what they are going to say.

Posted by: Rob Fenwick | April 12, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

This "bitterness" that Hillary and John
McCain have pounced on have been brought on by

1. Hillary and Bill passage of NAFTA and Hillary top campaign official going to Colombia to lobby for CAFTA. The canadians say it was HRCs campaign that gave the good old "wink, wink".

2. George Bushes economic policies that McInsane wants to continue.

How it is that the two elite candidates both worth close to 100 million a piece want to say that Barack is elitist is beyone me!!

Will someone give me a break!!

The media needs to stop telling me what to think.

Posted by: Dawn | April 12, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

This man now has no chance of winning in November at all. He can't blame the Clinton camp for this one or any of his other lies or half truths. He is nothing more then a hypocrite and his entire campaign is an complete fraud. It's time to vote smart vote for Clinton.

Posted by: Tobias | April 12, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I think that Sen Clinton is so desperate that she will use any tactic (even if it is highly negative) to win. That is exactly why I am voting for and supporting Sen Obama. I am sick and tired of this very tactic that she continues to use. Incidentally, it seems to always backfire on her. Lets see how long it takes.

She stated that Rev Wright would not be her pastor, then the Detroit NAACP telegraphed a message to anyone who attacks Pastors born out of the Civil Rights movement. He will be the Keynote speaker where she, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama were once speakears. Secondly, they support him and that the majority of African American voters will also support Rev Wright because 1) his statements were taken out of context (he was quoting US Ambassador to Iraq, Edward Peck), 2) His ministry runs absolutely paralell with Rev Dr Martin Luther King, Jr. They really didn't think too far ahead on that even after it took her a week to make the statement. (amazing mistakes)

I am very disturbed that the media is afraid to report and cover the FACT that Senator and Pres Clinton's Fraud case in California will be getting a trial date on April 25 (3 days after the PA Primary). The voters of the country deserve to know that the case won and appeal based upon new videotaped evidence that the plaintiff says contradicts her previous testimony under oath (i.e. Videotape of Bosnia event). He says that he will be asking for the addition of a perjury charge on top of a civil award. He has put up a website to inform the public at www.paulvclinton.com and the court case and hearing can be verified at www.lasuperiorcourt.org, Click on CASE SUMMARIES IN THE CIVIL COLUMN then enter this case number BC304174.

I hope that the Post posts this so that the public can be fairly informed about the case (not necessarily thier guilt or innocence that is what the trial is for), but it should be disclosed to the public, she is running for the Office of President of the United States of America.

Posted by: DemVoterinMichigan | April 12, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

what's "demeaning" is that Hillary Clinton thinks people are stupid -
that she will become president and the clock will go back to before 9/11, to before the internet boom and to before she was an exceptionally wealthy out of touch washington insider

when the Clinton campaign is sending around talking points and literature from the Republican National Commitee and John McCain's campaign you know this democratic nominating contest has gone on far too long -

"What's the Matter with Kansas?" by Thomas Frank questioned why citizens constantly vote against their own best interests - and that is exactly what Sen Obama was saying -

What;'s the Matter with America?

The Ciintons and the McCain are in the top 1% of wealth in this country; the Clintons are the champions of free trade, McCain believes in all those tax cuts for the wealthy and the media is going to allow them to portray Obama as an "elitist"??

What the matter with this country--

Posted by: alison | April 12, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Democrats need to wise up. Obama has no chance of winning the general election.

If the Superdelegates have any brains, they will clearly sieze the opportunity to make Clinton the nominee.

Posted by: Can't Win 08' | April 12, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Democrats need to wise up. Obama has no chance of winning the general election.

If the Superdelegates have any brains, they will clearly sieze the opportunity to make Clinton the nominee.

Posted by: Can't Win 08' | April 12, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I am sooo bitter about Clinton's NAFTA. She supported it, though now she tries to say she didn't. She worked to pass it. That makes me real bitter.... I guess Hillary just can't understand how I feel. She is that lady of steel, meaning... she just doesn't do the emotional thing, meaning she just doesn't understand how people can be upset over losing their jobs.

Posted by: Adam | April 12, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Words of unwisdom, you did it again. You say "I challenge you, try to spin this out." Well I can't help you, because I don't know how to spin. Spin is the art and consistent practice of McClinton & Co.
All I know is that I read the text of the SF speech, and I watched the clip of his Indiana speech that drew a standing ovation. In both of those I saw a degree of empathy for the working class, and no hint of either contempt of condecension. It is evident that either you did not see or read them, or that you did so with a closed mind. Please try to really listen with an open mind.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

"Silly season" is indeed in full bloom in this year's political races. I am a former "colored", "Negro", "black", now so-called "African-American" man from rural Virginia who grew up among more than a few bitter white folks during the 60's and 70's.

Talking about voting against one's interests: some of my fellow citizens would vote for any politician promising segregated schools, enforcement of written or de facto "laws" prohibiting fair housing, or anything else that preserved the illusion of a then-deteriorating white supremacy status quo. It didn't matter that our little southern county was paralyzed by an under-educated workforce, poor tax-base, and no real incentive for children to stay and build their communities. The Byrds, Godwins, and Grays just wanted people to know their place.

Flash forward to today, omitting the lessons learned since the '60s and '70's. Accept as recent history the advances of the Civil Rights movement, the pain of Viet Nam, the explosion of the Information Age that is both boon and debacle. The Democratic Party of today is what a lot of people would like to believe is the closest thing we have to progressive, tolerant thought. A party abandoned by the staunch southern racist state's righters who fled under clever disguise to the GOP and lay dormant but seething until Nixon could legitimize their loathing of minorities and the coming diversity unleased politically by their former Democratic brethren (now turncoats and N-lovers)and some truly patriotic Republicans from the Northeast.

Nixon's infamous "Southern Strategy" for winning elections combined with technological advances in mass communication (the "debacle" part of the Information Age) let the jinn out the keg, the jinn of distortion, the jinn of the out-of-context soundbite, and spawned among it's evil progeny any number of endless wild-eyed rants looping on YouTube and Fox News. The jinn are never going back in the keg.

The old "Southern Strategy" and the political campaigns of today (the GOP and, sadly, Democrats, too) have some things in common as can be expected of organisms sharing DNA: they both rely on a populace that can be swayed by emotion and prejudices. They both maximize the news cycles to perfection. They both seek the ultimate measure of getting their message out: vote against your rival, even in your heart of hearts, you will continue to be ignored and your rights diminished.

Obama said it better in his comments that he should NOT back away from. You see, because after all these years, I see nothing has changed, and that's what I'm bitter about.

Posted by: Glenn the Hokie Man | April 12, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Chris, baby, your attempt to mimimize the import of Obama's remarks won't work. They provide a window into the man's world view, which is, essentially, that people need to be saved by Him; that only He has the vision and the character to save the likes of poor, deluded working class "folks" (as he is so fond of saying); and that religion, guns, and racism and anti-immigrant sentiment are the natural result of people's "bitterness." There are so many offensive things about his remarks that it's hard to summarize them succinctly. But here's a try: 1) working people are not uniformly "bitter"; 2) even if people are bitter over their economic plight, that's hardly the reason they go to church or believe in the right to own a gun; 3) small-town, working people are not, as a group, racist or anti-immigrant; and 4) having faith is hardly the same thing as being racist or anti-immigrant, so they shouldn't be lumped together even if any one of those things was really the result of bitterness over the economy. As smart and rhetorically practiced as Obama is, this is not just the result of "misspeaking." It is a statement that reveals his true character and his view of the world. The reason the statement is resonating so loudly is that it ties directly to a perception many people have had about Obama all along--that he is elitist, arrogant, dismissive of others, and believes that he is a leader in the style of people like like Lincoln, King, Kennedy, and Reagan. Heck, many even understandably say he has a Messiah complex. We will look back at this statement as the beginning of the end of Obama's campaign. Even if he wins the Democratic nomination, he now cannot win the general election.

Posted by: Roger | April 12, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

I been watchin 'Planet of the Apes' the other day and Michelle Osama looks just like the doctor woman.

Posted by: Habib El-Hassan Ali | April 12, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Bobby O:

IT is not second hand information - it is direct quote from Obama himself -


Are you attempting to say that this remark was not stupid (even for an affirmative-action Harvard guy) ???


Are you attempting to say that Obama does not have contempt for people who "cling to religion??"

I tell you what, explain to us what this "cling to religion" comment was all about.


It sure seemed as though Obama was showing contempt for those who were religious, and that those who "cling to religion" are not taking the appropriate response to their difficult times.

I challenge you, try to spin this out.

The central problem here is: the country does not really know Obama - these comments appear to show us the real Obama - the one who wants to defend Rev. Wright and one who shows dislike for church going Americans who made this country great.

OOOHHHH by the way, that is the same country that Michele has never been proud of.

Posted by: Words of Wisdom | April 12, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

HILLARY'S NAFTA PRETENSIONS

By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN

Published on FOXNews.com on April 11, 2008.

Forget about her claim to have dodged sniper's bullets in Bosnia, or that she was named after Sir Edmund Hilary, or that she met a woman who was denied health care and died.

All of these Hillary Clinton fibs and exaggerations are basically harmless. But her current attempts to lie about her record and to pretend that she always opposed free trade agreements and disagreed with Bill on NAFTA is a serious distortion of her record as she searches for blue collar support in Pennsylvania.

Hillary was a strong supporter of NAFTA. Her official schedule reveals that she attended meetings designed to promote its passage and her memoir, Living History betrays no hint of any opposition to her husband's key legislative accomplishment of his first two years in office -- the ratification of NAFTA.

Hillary and I spoke frequently through all of 1993 and 1994 and together we plotted to help NAFTA ratification. She was deeply involved in the decision to enlist past presidents in supporting the bill and followed the vote count with heightening anxiety as it appeared closer and closer.

That she could totally reinvent her record, turn it around 180 degrees, and expect us to fall for it, shows her arrogance and her continuing belief that she can sell us on anything, no matter how obviously false.

Trade was no side issue in the Clinton administration; it was central to his key worldview -- that he had to lead America to compete successfully in the new global economy. His refusal to submit to protectionism or to legislation to reduce layoffs -- his commitment to the free market -- was a singular badge of courage in his presidency. For Hillary to indicate now so fundamental a disagreement with a policy so integral to her husbands' presidency is transparently phony.

And when Hillary entered the Senate, before she started to run for president, she was a reliable vote for free trade, supporting a host of bi-lateral agreements negotiated by her husband and by the Bush Administration. She even took the lead in urging the admission of China to the World Trade Organization, the key counter-protectionist step of the past two decades.

Hillary spoke at a meeting to promote NAFTA in November of 1993. Participants told ABC News that Hilary was "100 percent pro-NAFTA" and expressed "not a hint of waffling" on the deal. In 1996, she said that NAFTA was giving Americans a chance to compete. "That's what a free and fair trade agreement like NAFTA is all about. I think NAFTA is proving its worth."

And in 2002, the AP reports that she told the Democratic Leadership Council praising Bill's economic policies: "The economic recovery plan stands first and foremost as a testament to both good ideas and political courage. National service. The Brady Bill. Family leave. NAFTA. Investment in science and technology. All of these came our of some very fundamental ideas bout what would work. The results speak for themselves."

Does she really believe that we are about to forget history and buy that Hillary was opposed to NAFTA all along?

Posted by: So let's look at Clinton And Nafta | April 12, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Florida Dem -
Learn how to count. It's your state's fault we're in this mess. I'm rooting for global warming.

Posted by: Mason | April 12, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Trey - No he didn't, and if you think he did, I've got a bridge down on 14th street I'd like to sell you. It's only been hit by one airplane.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA WAS RIGHT ON!

81% of Americans say the country is headed the wrong way. Does that sound like everything is hunky-dorey?

Hillary and McCain (with their million dollar empires) are the fools out of touch with Americans.

People have given up trying to get Washington to do anything that would actually improve our lives economically, and instead vote for things like gun control, and gay marriage, or whatever.

Hillary and McCain have their fingers in their ears, because they don't want to admit they've both been screwing over Americans for years.

Posted by: julie | April 12, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Barrack Obama:

His comments are out of touch with the rest of america, just like San Francisco Values.

Go drink some more Starbucks coffee Mr. Obama and leave the hard working people of this country alone.

Posted by: Florida Dem | April 12, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: oscars2212

What Democratic Party you are talking about?

Democratic Party is the biggest losing party when it comes to electing President of the Unites of America. Democratic Party has lost 8 of 10 general elections in last 40 years.

Do not blame Clintons! Blame your own candid camera friends of Rezko and Wright.

Even if Obama has locked up his nomination on 1st week of January after Iowa, he will still lose general election.

How can any democrat win the White House by losing PA, FL and OH to McCain?

One democrat, looking forward to 2012!

Posted by: Looking Forward To 2012 | April 12, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Judy, just where do you think he got these crazy ass ideas about bitter mill-townies? It couldn't have been from, you know, actually talking to them on that bus tour he did last week? When people are telling you straight up what's grinding their gears, there's no need to analyze.

Posted by: Mason | April 12, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Whoops, foxnews was trying to find outrage in PA about Obama's comments. Here's what was said to a reporter by the people.

reporter: Sir, what say you?

Citizen: "He's right."

reporter: So how offended where you really?

Citizen: "Aaaaaa, he's right."

reporter: Are you an Obama supporter, sir?

Citizen: "No, McCain, but he's right. We are bitter."

reporter: Back to you in the studio.

--------------------------------------

reporter: "Are people in this area bitter?"

Citizen: "Yes, they are..."

reporter: "........."
reporter: "....um...do you think Obama was wrong with his comments?"

Citizen: "No, actually. I think he was right. A lot of people here are bitter after losing their jobs..."

reporter: ".....um...."

Citizen: "....I also think he is a very intelligent young man. But yea, he was right..."

reporter: "....so people are bitter?"

Citizen: "Yes. Absolutely."

reporter: "...and who will you be voting for, sir?"

Citizen: "John McCain..."

reporter: "...and there you have it. a lot of people here seem to feel like Barack was pretty much right..."

Whoopsees.

Posted by: crackerjacko | April 12, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

This whole thing is so stupid and I really wish that the media O'Bama, Clinton and McCain would just stick to the issues. The bottom line AMERICA is we are screwed. We are in a war that we won't be getting out no time, emphasis on the words no time, soon. We have lost jobs that are not coming back and we are so in debt to China that my children, my grandchildren and my great grandchildren and probably more generations past that will be saddled with and what are we worried about? Something as stupid as words used in a sentence about being bitter turning to guns and religion. Whatever the hell the statement was. See, it's so irrelevant I can't quote and really don't give a kitty what he said. None of the three has told me damn thing about how we are going to get ourselves America out of this quagmire that we are mired in. It doesn't matter who get the job in November we are screwed and therefore I really dont give a damn about Rev. Wright, Hil(liar)y or McCain. I probably won't even bother voting what difference will it make anyway. Not one damn bit because nobody but Jesus Christ himself can help us now. We are doomed. And you all know it that's what all these stupid responses about a stupid comment.

Posted by: calhoun | April 12, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Words of Wisdom, you call yourself. Please try to use some. One way to gain and display wisdom would be to stop paying attention to Rush and Hillary and go read a good book like Obama's biography. In it you would learn about his spiritual journey and his profound faith, and his love of America. Don't rely on second-hand misinformation. Go to the source

Posted by: Bobby O | April 12, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

OBama called working white AMericans racist gun toting religous nuts.

Posted by: Trey | April 12, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Words of Wisdom, you call yourself. Please try to use some. One way to gain and display wisdom would be to stop paying attention to Rush and Hillary and go read a good book like Obama's biography. In it you would learn about his spiritual journey and his profound faith, and his love of America. Don't rely on second-hand misinformation. Go to the source

Posted by: Bobby O | April 12, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

I find it hilarious to watch all these Obama supporters get up in arms over the money the Clintons have made while cherishing Obama as some sort of lower class role model. Of course it was the Obama campaign that has been whispering for months to the media to make these tax returns a big event.
The Clintons spent decades in public service making far less than they could have practicing law. They went to Yale Law School - Obama went to Harvard Law School. Bill Clinton grew up poor and won scholarships to help him with his education. Hillary Clinton grew up middle class. Obama also grew up middle class - but he did attend one of the most elite private schools in Hawaii.
Enough with the class warfare. The Obama campaign plays the race card, the class card, and whatever divisive crap they can come up with while the candidate himself says he wants to unite the country. Give me a break.
Are we really upset because the Clintons chose to make millions on speeches and books after Bill left office? How many of us would do any different? If Obama is elected President will he go to work at a soup kitchen when he's done? Or will he enjoy the fruits of his labor and his status as President?
Making a lot of money doesn't mean you don't care about regular people. News flash - regular people would love to be rich too.

Posted by: John | April 12, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

CNN has done it again. They show a very brief clip of Obama responding to McClinton, cutting it off at a crucial point, and failing to air his POWERFUL and persuasive punchline and the standing ovation that followed. Then they followed it with extended, interminable footage of Clinton in which she used the word American at least a dozen times in order to infer that Obama is not American, feeding into the slanders that have been directed toward him.
Obviously they do not wish to leave that kind of journalism to FOX; they seem to be in competition with them for the faux news crown?

Posted by: Bobby O | April 12, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

It now appears that Obama does not like a majority of America.

All these prejudices keep on slipping out.


Why does Obama want to be President if he doesn't like most of the country ???


I would like to know if Obama is an atheist.

At this point, I have wonder how much of a racist Obama is if he doesn't like small town America with its people who go to church and then head off to the shooting range.

Posted by: Words of Wisdom | April 12, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

what's amazing to me about this whole story is how much clinton sounds EXACTLY like part of the republican attack machine. She is really, really doing her utmost to destroy the democractic chances this fall.

If Obama loses in november, I really think her campaign tactics will be remembered as a VERY dark period in the history of the democratic party. She is attacking him on a VERY personal level, and at a time when she has literally no chance to win the nomination. She is going down, and doing her best to take him down with her.

Hillary Clinton makes me ashamed to be a democrat.

Posted by: oscars2212 | April 12, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

It might have been different if Obama had had the guts to analyse small town Pennsylvanians directly to their faces during his PA tour, rather than render his analysis of their character to a bunch of California fundraisers(behind the PA residents' backs-I call it snarky Obama behavior), who'd maxed out their donations to Obama's campaign.

I'm afraid, no matter how hard he tries, there's no way Chris is gonna "fix" this for Obama.

Posted by: Judy | April 12, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

It really boggles my mind what gets people in to a tizzy. We have an administration that just admitted to approving torture techniques!!! (Of course we knew they did). We are bogged down in a 5 year war. We are in a recession. But the talking heads are on and on about bowling, and "bitterness" and whatever stupid ginned up controversy that can be obsessed about. When did personality type become the most important determinant of who should be our president? Are we all in high school voting for the class president???

Posted by: birdman | April 12, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

It is funny watching the bobble heads on cable tv and yes, this is one election that in my more mature years I have become a political junkie.
Why are Hillary and McCain, pundits and pollsters all condemning these remarks. This happens to be an observation that looks like it hit a sore spot to all the Wall Street Corporate Elitist of which Hillary Clinton is one of -- she should have backed him on this -- too busy trying to get out of Bosnia I guess.
My guess is that most people are going to agree with what Obama said and look to some help with answers that maybe someone does understand their pain rather than say we understand you and then do nothing.
Looks like Obama hit on a Uniting topic which the GOP won't be able to fight along with Clinton.
Speaking the truth instead of rhetoric is a good thing!

Posted by: Paulet | April 12, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Chris Cillizza, I find it interesting that to assess the "damage" to Obama you talk to political pundits that are in no way associated with the "small town Pennsylvanians".

I would be more interested in actual local people reactions in smaller areas of Pennsylvania.

Posted by: AJ | April 12, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Brian

With your idiotic comments above, I am sure you think you are bringing us together, eh? The god you worship St Obama sure thinks so. On one hand, he keeps attacking Clinton supporters and on the other all the Republicans, and then says he will bring every one together, and fools like you fall for it.

Irony is not something that is obvious to Obama scum, for sure.

Posted by: intcamd | April 12, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm not suprised at what Clinton and her surrogates are doing, but it doesn't make it any less disgusting. Divide, diminish, and trash -- no one does it better than the Clintons.

Posted by: Brian | April 12, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

the reason that people who cling to their relationship with God are not bitter is because the God of the bible tells them not to be,and to be forgiving. obviously someyhing rev. wright never taught obama. he doesn't stand a chance in pa. every old veteran and hunter who can't walk ,talk or see will be dragging themselves out to vote against this nitwit.

Posted by: gary | April 12, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

People talk a lot these days about how getting the "news" from the million-and-one so-called "new" sources like yours has been good for politics and might continue to be. This stuff points to why the opposite might happen.

Like you, a lot of the new, news outlets are made up of "journalists" who sit behind their computers and, rather than going out and doing some real reporting, pick on non-issues like this and try to make a big deal out of nothing. Look at the way middle America has been voting the last 20-30 years and tell me Obama is wrong. We all are in a boat load of s**t because we have been keeping our eyes off the ball.

Our economy is crumbling, affordable healthcare is nonexistent, K-12 education keeps getting worse, college is getting more and more expensive for the average Joe and this "gaffe" is what you think is "the biggest political test" for Obama? Hopefully, the voters Obama was talking about will not fall for you jokers one more time...if they do, there will be no one to blame but us for the next 4 years of hell... yeah, I am bitter.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

CC: I saw you on The Tim Russert Show this morning and your interpretation of Charlie Brown analogy on Obama not closing the deal is very interesting one. Hopefully, you will elaborate more on your next The Fix reporting.

You are right, Obama just can not close the deal. Obama will lose PA by 16%, IN by 8%. NC (another Jesse Helms state) is still toss-up despite polls.

When was the last time presidential candidate won general election by losing PA, OH and FL? It is highly likely Obama will lose all three must win states to McCain.

We all have theories about who will win this general election. My theory is Obama needs have 56% in few polls after Denver convention in order to win this general election. My early The Fix Prediction is, if he is below 56% (why 56% - long analysis) after Denver bump, Obama will lose. McCain will win.

One democrat, looking forward to 2012!

Posted by: Looking Forward To 2012 | April 12, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Out of touch? Elite? On the contrary, Obama says it like it is, and that means that his opponents try to blow him away. Americans have every right to be bitter about the treatment they get from the current Administration and its faithful followers such as McCain. Shame on Hillary for piling on!

Posted by: beaujames | April 12, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

As always, I appreciate your work, Chris. But here you seem to have your thumb visibly on the scales when you say

"The Fix [seeks]...to assess the damage."

It may be too soon for any mortal confidently to assess fallout deleterious *or* beneficent with its incidence upon the several candidates. HRC, for instance, with her multiple millions and domiciles in New York and Washington, doesn't come across (at least to this small town boy) as someone who really comprehends, let alone empathizes while understanding Rust Belt anger in the wake of decades of executive trade dealings. Indeed, her anodyne words representing long-suffering Americans embrace and extol the status quo rather than change. ("That's right, happy people -- grin and bear it.")

Still, it is interesting to witness how quickly and completely she sided with McCain in claiming her superiority of knowledge about small town America. It must be quite unsettling to coexist in a campaign with Mark Penn, Howard Wolfson and her husband, with their monetary stakes in the deal pending with Colombia.

It would be interesting to know whether Edwards populists are entering this fray or whether they remain quiescent. I'm wondering too if some Ron Paul supporters sense that they have a dog in this tussle.

In any event, here are three established voices to add to your collection:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/11/235050/410/205/494075

Posted by: FirstMouse | April 12, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

If McCain and Clinton don't hear the voices of the frustrated and powerless, then they are not listening. The media seem unable to listen, either. Guess the other candidates and the talking heads are more interested in their own opinions than in ordinary people.

Obama is listening. His observations are spot-on.

Posted by: NH_Hick | April 12, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Where's the coverage of the torture memos and the detailed involvement of the National Security Council's Principals in designing and approving torture?

Posted by: sm | April 12, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Chris:


I believe the point has been missed: its not the "bitter" comment that is the problem - it is that Obama appears to show contempt for "clinging to religion"

What does that mean ????

I find that extremely offensive. I do not believe Obama is fit to be President as a result of the VALUES which he has shown over the past month.

Michele Obama and Rev. Wright were red flags.

We do not know this guy Obama - I have to doubt where he is coming from. What does "cling to religion" mean - Obama says it in the contex that such a notion is an inappropriate response to any difficult times.


Forget it Obama.

Hey Obama, Chicago is a small town.


Posted by: The Point | April 12, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

The word "bitter" has an interesting resonance in this campaign.

I'm not sure how many people know the story of McCain's first wife, who waited faithfully for him to be released by the North Vietnamese, concealing from him the fact that she had been horribly crippled in an auto accident during his imprisonment.

Not long after his release, he left long-suffering, faithful wife No. 1 for the flashy, blonde beer heiress.

When asked about this, McCain said, referring to his first wife, "She has reason to be bitter."

Of course, McCain is so pampered by the media, none would be so churlish as to report these inconvenient facts about his past.

Anyway, I digress.

Once again, Obama is too frank for his own good. He has been listening. And his insight is excellent. And he obviously cares. BUT, lousy idea to go on into the sociological speculation about guns, etc. Could be right -- but he shouldn't have gone there. But for that, I think this is the 2008 -- and far more genuine and sincere -- version of 1992's "I feel your pain."

As for out of touch, he's right: I don't want to hear that from the lobbyist-financed $109 million woman, or the married-up Arizona millionaire who can't tell a Sunni from a Shia.

Posted by: jac13 | April 12, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

I lived in PA for 5 years. Obama wasn't that far off... and if he was, it was a matter of degrees.

Posted by: epthorn | April 12, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Glenn Bolger's comments are the most insightful-he's spot on about that.

Posted by: schmetterling | April 12, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

What some of you are forgetting is that Obama was NOT addressing small-town people, he was at a rich-heeled San Francisco fund-raiser.

His comments were condescending, arrogant, snide and elitist. He could not have been TRIED to be more insulting.

Every person who lives in a town, small or large, vs. one of your big cities, should feel dismissed and diminished. Whatever the truth of what he was trying to say, badly, what he DID say reveals volumes about his thinking of those of us who don't live in Chicago or LA, or NY. We're nobody. We're not only small town, we're small-minded.

And I live 30 miles from Chicago.

Posted by: Beth - Illinois | April 12, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I love how Obama supporters try to spin for their candidate. Cause you all understand him so well. All you internet money supporters, do you get advance copies of his speeches like his wealthier supporters? If he can say that to the San Francisco crowd, why can't he say it to the rural PA folks he just visited with a quickie bus tour? And why doesn't he address the poor African American community in North Philly by saying they cling to gangs and violence and guns and Hip Hop because they're so frustrated with their lot in life? Remeber the words speech? Words matter? Now though not so much?

Posted by: BJLeone | April 12, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Forgive me if I take the "analysis" of Republican political consultants with a wee grain of salt. What do you think they're going to do but attack Obama?

I agree with the 3 analysts on CNN yesterday (Jack Cafferty and two others) who basically laughed Hillary and McCain off and pointed out how stupid this all is. Obama is speaking the truth and I hope he continues to speak out, not defensively, but on the offense. He is shining the light of day on the cynical exploitation of wedge issues. Hillary is playing right along, she might as well hire Karl Rove along side Mark Penn.

Posted by: Ruth | April 12, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse


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Thanks to "uncle" jeremiah, the true nature of hussein has finally been revealed. For nearly twenty years hussein has been the disciple and avid follower and supporter of this racial bigot. hussein has publicly praised wright on numerous occasions. wright's vile, bigoted harangues against America, in general, and white Americans, in particular, illustrate the true foundation of hussein and the "church" of which he is a devout member. The foundation of hussein is racial division and strife - not unity. If it were not for the thin veneer of whitewash slapped on him by his handlers, I would expect him to adopt wright's "God Da'mn America" as his theme song. hussein is clearly an outrageously unacceptable candidate for any elected office or position of responsibility in America.

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Posted by: ALEX H. | April 12, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Here is the truth for all over you who continue to promote hillary's lies and bullcrap:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G8dRMofHNs

responsible journalists back Obama

Posted by: KHussein | April 12, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Another overreaction by the press and the opposing campaigns. Obama was not insulting anyone, he was being real and relating to them. That makes him sympathetic and honest, not elitist.

Look past the spin everyone and focus on the real issues; economy, war, health care. Don't be fooled into driving up news circulation.

And Karen, before you try to lump all the people living in cities, especially Chicago, into some snobby group of yuppies, try to remember many of us come from small towns originally. I still have family there.

Posted by: Jeremy | April 12, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Krishna, you have got it completely wrong. What Senator Obama is saying is that year after year, politicians come up with wedge issues to split the electorate. Anyone remember the whole gay marriage flap? Bush and his cronies rode that one all through the 2004 election. And what about this one? "Elect a Democrat and he will take away your guns!" I have yet to see any move to repeal the 2nd amendment. But people are frustrated and feel hopeless. They sure as hell aren't listened to on economic issues. As a result, they end up getting behing issues they feel where they CAN make a difference. This isn't a new concept. Its not even an American phenomena.

He wasn't insulting anyone except the two-faced people in Washington who try to distract voters from the real issues.

Posted by: Ann | April 12, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

As a Clinton supporter, I don't disagree with the substance of Obama's remarks. That said, he is absolutely toast. Bunching xenophobia, guns, bitterness and religion in the same sentence, and saying all of them are a result of job losses? Can this guy be any more clueless? This is what he learned in Harvard law school? In one sentence, he managed to piss off about 7 large sections of our electorate.

So, he is saying that people are religious only because of their joblessness? Then they go get guns, and start hating foreigners? ANd somewhere along the line, they also become bitter?

His comments on anti-trade are so full of it, btw. He is posing as a strident anti-Nafta guy and now saying anti-trade flows being bitter and jobless? Then why does he have the same stance?

Posted by: intcamd | April 12, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA told the truth,you might not like what he said or how he said it but its true. AMERICAN PEOPLE cannot handle the truth,never could and never will.

Posted by: marie | April 12, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

More than calling the people who lost jobs as "bitter", it is the ancillary comments that they then cling to their "guns, religion" is the more potent problem for Obama.

He is simultaneously calling the unemployed people as stupid, and questioning the bonafides of people who own guns and/or go to church.

This brings up a question. As to his own sitting in a church and listening to a pastor who was blaming the rest of the America on the problems of blck people.And all the while he was neither unemployed nor poor!

Posted by: Krishna | April 12, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Folks, don't be surprised by OBAMA'S GUTTER-BALL POLITICS, he is quite adept at it! Unlike Legislation in the U.S. Senate, Foreign Policy or the Economy, this is an area where he clearly does NOT LACK EXPERIENCE, gutter-ball politics that is!

Some examples of Obama's numerous GUTTER-BALLS:

1. YES WE FARRA-KHAN GATE,

2. IMPASTOR WRIGHT IS MY KARL ROVE together we form "A MORE PERFECT UNION"-GATE,

3. AND NOW: I resent that Pennsylvanians have ANTI-OBAMA SENTIMENT. I detest that Pennsylvanians adore HILLARY. She knows they are RESILIENT, she stands up for them, works HARD for them! I don't, I just use "words" and make speeches. So, I am BITTER-GATE!

I hear Hillary singing along with Pennsylvania and rest of America:

"Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey-ey, goodbye

He'll never love you, the way that I love you
'Cause if he did, no no, he wouldn't make you cry
He might be thrillin' baby but a-my love (my love, my love)
So dog-gone willin'
So kiss him (I wanna see you kiss him. Wanna see you kiss him)
Go on and kiss him goodbye, now

Na na na na, hey hey-ey, goodbye
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey-ey, goodbye."

Posted by: cheersdk | April 12, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

And, I would also add that Cillizza and other so-called journalists need to get off their collective asses and talk to real people - not political consultants and pollsters.

Posted by: Joyce | April 12, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

If Obama made a mistake, it was in apologizing for what is clearly a shameful distortion of what he said. It is incomprehensible to me how an unscrupulous, notorious liar like Mrs. Clinton could have any credibility what so ever, as she tries to spin this into something it clearly isn't. And McCain should be ashamed of himself for jumping on the bandwagon with his elitist comments. What the hell does McCain know about the hardship rural America faces?

Posted by: tydicea | April 12, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Obviously none of you have been in a small midwestern town on Sunday. If you were, you would know that the churches are packed.

Religion is free and so is the community feeling that comes with it. The politicians in Washington show up every four years and tell us how we are the backbone of America and the 'real' Americans. Then they go back to Washington, and we lose another 100 jobs. If you call your local congressman, he shakes his head and says "Representative _____ understands your concerns and shares them. Thank you." and nothing ever happens.

And as for guns? Have you ever been in a small town on the first day of deer hunting season? Some communities have to close high schools because they don't have enough students to keep the building open. My husband's principal takes the day off every year.

I do not feel insulted by Senator Obama. I am more than bitter. I am angry that Washington patronizes us every four years and then ignores us because we can't provide the big money for lobbyists. Senators Clinton and McCain are so busy shining us on that they haven't noticed a lot of people aren't listening anymore.

Posted by: Ann | April 12, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Frank Palmer...you hit the nail on the head! I see the direction my country has taken for the past 10-15 years and I think just about everyone is pissed off. And if they are not, they should be.
What have we reaped from BUSH/CLINTON/BUSH years? Outsourced jobs, free-but-not-fair trade policies, corporate greed, lobbyists writing legislation, deregulation of safety standards, soaring healthcare costs, continued nuclear proliferation, war without end, civil rights violations and, last but not least, the loss of America's moral high ground in the world. No, Obama doesn't owe an apology - Clinton, McCain and Bush need to step up to the American people and explain how they let this happen.

Posted by: Joyce | April 12, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I'll tell you what makes me bitter: ginned up non-controversies like this one be treated as make-or-break issues that should and will determine who will be President of the United States.

Sheeh.

Posted by: Bullsmith | April 12, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Obama brings up that Hillary supported the legislation on Bankruptcy. My guess is most of the hardworking middle-class in PA and elsewhere thought the previous Bankruptsy laws were being abused.
It's one thing to help someone who is loosing their home, or is going under financially because of medical bills, but most people don't have a lot of pity for people that overcharged on their credit cards and renig on their debts through an over-abused bankruptsy law. And...if they are overextended, the law still allows them to restructure their debt, they just can't ignore it.

I'm a middle-class small business person who was "burned" out of expenese and money put into a job.. on more than one occassion by a person filing bankruptcy.

Posted by: Badger | April 12, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Middle class Americans must become bitter enough right now to take back their country from Bushco & the wealthiest 1% and the internationalists & the banks & the oppressive, cynical career pros whose treasure and power depend on TV addicted, obese, distracted consumer-class foreclosure victims whose kids will soon be drafted to fight in Iran.

Posted by: artforhumans | April 12, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

WTF is going on with the writers
at WaPo?!

First Eugene suggests that Condi
become McCain's running-mate?!
Some people are saying she should
be brought up on War Crimes!


Now the Racist/Classist neo-consense!!!!????


How much do you people make to sell your souls, HUH Chris????!!!

Posted by: Holy Crap! | April 12, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

If Obama "understands" the feelings of the bitter people, then why doesn't he understand that runaway illegal immigration that IS pushing down wages and costing billion of tax dollars in benefits is part of that bitterness ? Instead, he has stood on the podium and promised "amnesty", disguised as immigration reform in his first 100 days in office.

Taking care of illegal aliens isn't listening to the American people. Twice they said "no" to the amnesty but Obama is ignoring that . Where is his great understanding ? In the fantasy of those who just have to believe in someone whether it makes sense or not.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

This is newsworthy? Hillary is a divisive, negative, and yes BITTER candidate who can't climb out of the gutter.

She and McCain seem to be using the same strategists and speech-writers. Distortion and distraction are the name of the game. Instead of articulating their own positions, they deliberately misinterpret their opponent's remarks and tell voters what to think about those remarks.

Senator Obama is too open and honest to watch every word (his and his opponents') for spin-potential.

But, it's ten days until the Pennsylvania primary so it's time for Hillary to go for the jugular again. Expect her and her surrogates to trot out Wright and Rezko again, and to manufacture some new gimmick for April 21st.

Thank you, Senator Obama, for your substance, integrity, common sense, and authenticity. You are truly a man of the People and your words are a breath of fresh air.

Posted by: Barbara Campbell | April 12, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

The bitter comments of "Typical White Person" at 1:27p do not refute Obama's statement. They only illustrate it.

Posted by: Bobby O | April 12, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I am wondering if Obama has contempt for religion - what did he mean "cling to religion" - as if that is some illegitimate and wrong reaction to difficult economic times.


I really would like to know more about Obama's views on religion.


It seems Obama has contempt for these people - and that somehow Obama believes that these people are reacting improperly to the situation - that someone NOW they are to blame for not getting themselves out of their economic situation.

HHHMMMMM>

I have to wonder, what is this really guy thinking??? Is Obama doing drugs again???


Posted by: Just Wondering | April 12, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

I am wondering if Obama has contempt for religion - what did he mean "cling to religion" - as if that is some illegitimate and wrong reaction to difficult economic times.


I really would like to know more about Obama's views on religion.


It seems Obama has contempt for these people - and that somehow Obama believes that these people are reacting improperly to the situation - that someone NOW they are to blame for not getting themselves out of their economic situation.

HHHMMMMM>

I have to wonder, what is this really guy thinking??? Is Obama doing drugs again???


Posted by: Just Wondering | April 12, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

"This is where affirmative action programs have brought us: People have been pushed ahead, with lower grades and lower scores - ahead of people who are more qualified based on merit."

Not that you would be interested in facts, but the biggest beneficiary of affirmative action is white women.

Don't believe me: look it up.

"Where did we all go wrong ???"

By letting overt racists go unchallenged for far too long. Those days are over.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

This cannot be undone, unscrambled, unsaid. He's finished. He's now the ultimate political liability for the Democratic Party.

Posted by: He's finished | April 12, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Obama is running scared. Now the true Obama
is again exposed. His lame speech did not address the fact that he stereotyped all Pennsylvanians. If he was sincere, he would have apologized to all Pennsylvania voters.
He has a snowball's chance in helll of winning Pennsylvania. Keep on talking, Barry. This is just a wild guess, but do you think John Anzalone is for Obama. John Anzalone has no journalistic integrity.

Posted by: Jack | April 12, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Oh, give me a break.

The media just wants to keep the race going and keep the ratings up.

Posted by: Steve Fought | April 12, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

If only more people would see statements like this from Obama for what they really are - a condescending, arrogant dismissal of working class people - BEFORE the Superdelegates make the biggest mistake in history by handing him the Democratic nomination.

I don't think he can win the general election anyway, but then again, I didn't think "W" could either. I'd really hate to see America spending another presidential term facing their "bitter" regrets over yet another bad choice.

Posted by: Lynn | April 12, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I was born and raised in PA and live there now.

You're damn right we're bitter.

We've had it with people who make $109 million dollars calling a guy who could have made much more than that in private law practice but instead chose to serve the public an "elitist."

We're tired of a crabby old warmongering right wing boot-kisser whose wife's fortune enables their family to own eleven or so homes all over the place calling a candidate who wants to engage the electorate to rally against the special interests that run his campaign an "elitist."

If fellow Pennsylvanians fall for this, they deserve what they get. Obama is spot on, and deserves credit for telling it like it is, not trying to sweep it under the rug and look the other way like NAFTA-Hillary and CAFTA-McCain.

Posted by: trippin | April 12, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

LoL..You libs make me laugh some times.You think republicans dont want to tell it like it is?I wish I could speak about inner city ghetto america..Tell the black kids to pull up their pants stay in school dont join gangs dont do drugs sttop blaming white people and take responsibility.Stop being so bitter and stop voting democrat and repeating same cycle decade after decades but then Ill be called an uncle tom racist how dare I say those bigoted things.So Obama talks about white people in rural america love of christ and their right to bare arms as some sort of symptom of their bitterness is truth?You Obamamaniacs are soo way out of touch its a joke.

Posted by: tynet | April 12, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone catch the clip of Obama's response in Indiana to the Clinton and McCain attacks. Far from alienating his audience, he touched a responsive chord when he spoke of the appropriate bitterness of working class people, and his audience rose to their feet in a sustained ovation.
Thank You, Hillary, Thank you, John, for opening the door of opportunity to the next President of the United States/

Posted by: Bobby O | April 12, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

This is where affirmative action programs have brought us: People have been pushed ahead, with lower grades and lower scores - ahead of people who are more qualified based on merit.


These people are given things based on categories based on the color of their skin.


Instead of being happy, they are never proud of their country.


AND to top it all off, they are look down on everyone else, as if somehow the categories of affirmative action have made them "better" than everyone else.

Where did we all go wrong ???


Posted by: Typical White Person | April 12, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

tynet, soon a great majority of us will be voting against the interests of people just like you.

I love Democracy.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 12, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Wait... what's wrong with using the word bitter? Does it have a second meaning I'm not aware of?

I'm confused. 99 percent of the "controversies" during this campaign have been absurd, but I really, really don't understand this one.

Posted by: Dave | April 12, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

The McCain and Clinton people are reverse alchemists, turning the gold of truth as it comes from Obama's lips into gross lead.

Obama's words in SF were empathic. He knows and feels the anguish of the small town, working class man and woman. They have distorted his word and intent and then labled it "elitist" and "condescending."
Let's label there's for what it really is: Malicious BS

Posted by: Bobby O | April 12, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

So again, with the media's help, it's devolved into another epic battle between the forces of reason (Obama) and unreason (McHillary).

Posted by: rippermccord | April 12, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Re Hillary "taken aback".

She's been "taken aback" by Obama since Iowa, period.

Re: "Bitter"

What's the problem? Just telling it like it is? Why don't Bush-Cheney ever get held accountable for their language???


So?

Posted by: Spectator | April 12, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

for peole trying to rationalize or justify Obamas words about rural penn.Do you think we are that stupid?Obama the great orator mispoke? he didnt really mean it that way?Who are you kidding?The setting what in san francisco in front of a bunch of Elitist liberals.Obamas crowd.He didnt fumble the wording.He knew exactly what he was saying because he knows those people will understand exactly what he talks about.White hicks in fly over rural usa are ignorant bible thumping gun totting sub humans is exactly what liberal san franciscans think and Obama knows it.after all hes a member of a church who gets a weekly dose of that.This is why he didn't say those exact words in Penn ..He said them in san francisco the perfect setting.You libs trying to rationalize Obamas thinking to us are wasting your time.Every time Obama gives a great speech with no substance he is a master orator when some of his leftwing lib and rev wrights teachings slips thru its some sort of gaffe and mis speak..Yeah right.

Posted by: tynet | April 12, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Clinton's attack on Obama, and her depiction of working class people makes them into Stepford Wives,smiling and submissive in the face of the evils in society and in the body politic.

Posted by: Bobby O | April 12, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I support Obama's message.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Obama's comments were as mean-spirited as the Clintons and the Republicans are making them sound. I'm sure voters told him they were bitter, and I'm sure voters told him why.

Obama is not an elitist--he spent some of his life in the Midwest, and he was the child of a single mother who was sometimes raised by his grandparents. His family earns way, way less than the Clintons.

Obama has conceded that his choice of words was poor. I'd rather have someone in office who occasionally mis-chose words than someone who: 1) outright lies; or 2) doesn't even seek to understand the problems of working-class people.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, horizonr, we all needed that. It's so good to have the real message before us and not some truncated sensationalizing summary or snippet. The people who are really patronizing and condescending are those who think the ordiary Joe can't handle a fuller account. And I fear that is giving the opposing political camps, and the antiObama media the benefit of the doubt, because it is not simply oversimolification, I fear it is a deliberate distortion of the Obama messagel

Posted by: Bobby O | April 12, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

They are NOT bitter; they are pissed off. How are things going to change if we cannot even own up to the situation?

Posted by: Lilly | April 12, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I agree Howard, it's not surprising at all coming from Obama who routinely generalizes and disparages whole chunks of Americans, as he did in his "typical white people" statement, and now this.

The audio is plenty clear. He lumped all small town Americans together and basically said "they" are all right out of Deliverance.

"They cling to guns" (translation: they're all just a bunch of gun-toting rednecks)

"they cling to religion" (translation: they're all evangelical extremists)

"they cling to antipathy toward people who are not like them" (translation: They're all a bunch of racists...see "typical white people" comment)

"they cling to anti-immigrant sentiments" (translation: they're all xenophobic extremists)

you get the jist.

Barack Obama believes this about working class Americans, that's why he said it - he actually believes it about the majority of small-town America.

That is about THE most un-presidential thing I have every heard anyone give voice to. He cannot parse his way out of this.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | April 12, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

BTW- Carter Eskew was a BUSH SPOKESMAN in 2000.

Will the real journalists stand up?

The media is sure they can manipulate the public, but the American public is saying not this time.

If you want more of the same America, vote for McCain or Clinton. If you want Washington to treat you like chess pieces, use you as backdrops, and the go talk to lobbyists, as Hillary says are real people too, instead of listening to you, well go ahead and vote for one of them. Enjoy your war and your continued recession.

Otherwise, vote for a change in the way politics works, vote for a Consitutional lawyer who is going to turn America around. Vote for Barack Obama.

Again, Cizzila should be ashamed of himself.

Posted by: Cilliza's Con | April 12, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

If Hillary said this all you people'd be going nuclear. But you somehow manage to excuse it when it's St. Obama. Obviously there is a big double standard at work.

Posted by: susan | April 12, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

The only way this can become a ANY kind of a "firestorm," Chris, is if you and your colleagues, here and elsewhere in the news media, continue to do the same thing with this story that you did with Jeremiah Wright -- publish and comment on only readily distortable snippets, so that, rather than enabling the American people to engage meaningfully with what Obama ACTUALLY said, you force the American people into a fake conversation about what you and other pundits and Clinton and McCain and their various paid and unpaid campaign hacks SAY Obama said.

Whatever else you want to call that, it's not journalism.

Here, as a public service, is Obama's full quote:

"So, it depends on where you are, but I think it's fair to say that the places where we are going to have to do the most work are the places where people feel most cynical about government. The people are misapprehending -- I think they're misunderstanding -- why the demographics in our -- in this -- contest have broken out as they are. Because everybody just ascribes it to 'white working class, don't wanna work, don't wanna vote for the black guy.' That's -- there were intimations of that in an article in the Sunday New York Times today. Kind of implies that it's sort of a race thing.

"Here's how it is: In a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long, and they feel so betrayed by government -- and when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn't buy it. And when it's delivered by -- it's true that, when it's delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama, then that adds another layer of skepticism.

"But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?' What they wanna hear is -- so, we'll give you talking points about what we're proposing: close tax loopholes, roll back, you know, the tax cuts for the top 1 percent. Obama's gonna give tax breaks to middle-class folks and we're gonna provide health care for every American. So we'll go down a series of talking points.

"But the truth is is that our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress, when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and -- like a lot of small towns in the Midwest -- the jobs have been gone now for 25 years, and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration -- and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate, and they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment, as a way to explain their frustrations.

"Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you'll find is is that people of every background -- there are gonna be a mix of people -- you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know, working-class lunch-pail folks, you'll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I'd be very strong, and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you're doing what you're doing."

Posted by: horizonr | April 12, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

You should be ashamed of yourself. I just saw you on Tim Russert and you heard the so-called journalist insinuate that Barack Obama did not have his hand on his heart during the pledge of allegiance. You just let him keep talking and blathering and did not make any attempt to correct him when it was your turn. You and your colleagues let him get away with anything, because you hold him above you.

Where are the real journalists?

Posted by: John Doe | April 12, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I think this dustup ends up being zero sum. People who are inclined to be against obama (old-style evangelicals, hard core NRA types and Lou Dobbs Democrats) will still be against him. But the independent voters ("creation care" and Darfur evangelicals, moderate gun owners and moderates who want a middle ground on immigration) are the ones who may swing Republican or Democrat. They will look at it and say there's not much to all this because they're issues voters. These new demographics are the voters Obama is going for when he says he wants to expand the party's base. Despite this, I don't think Obama gains (or loses) any voters over this. But I don't think Clinton or McCain gain any voters over this either.

Posted by: plathman | April 12, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes the latte causes private thoughts to bubble out, but all in all this is not surprising from a second generation affirmative action power couple.

Posted by: Howard Icky | April 12, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I don't care how Hillary tries to paint it. She has no credibility, and the fact that it came from her mouth makes it immediately suspect.

She's the past, folks. All that nasty crappy arrogant self-motivated politics that has always come out of the Clintons, again and again...

Obama has my vote and my support and my hopes as he tries to do the impossible. HRC is really a monster. When men listen to her guffawing and her loud-mouth lecturing, they think they're being asked to take out the garbage. No wonder men can't bear her.

Posted by: LB | April 12, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

After reading these comments it is becoming clear that Obama's support is dwindling down to the far left, liberal fringe of the Democrat party. He is losing middle America more and more every time he opens his mouth and inserts a foot. This election cycle is still very young and Obama has plenty of time to make even worse gaffs to further erode his support. Hillary is going to pound him relentlessly on this and he deserves it. I grew up in small town America and can say without hesitation his comments won't be well received there or by the majority of blue collar white workers. It is becoming clear that he actually believes much of the white hating, anti-American, racist preaching done by Rev. Wright. His wifes comments further support this too. At this rate he will be lucky to win more states than Mondale did in 1984.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Scrap bitter, how about P.O'd. No just ask people about how happy about the way their lives seem to be going. Obama has hit a nerve by calling out the phenomenum that seems to be spreading the county in these days of high prices, falling wages, restricted credit, and a war that isnt going away anytime soon.
Bitter today, infuriated tomorrow, what a fine country Bush leaves for his successor.

Posted by: nclwtk | April 12, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I grew up in rural America and my friends still struggle in that small town. What they've gotten from the free traders and the DC lobbyist crowd who pay Mr. Clinton big bucks to speak is jack, frankly.

I am fortunate to have been able to get an education and my friends back home don't begrudge me that. I resent the highly-educated political consultants and commentators who mock other people with education in a bogus attempt to connect with the working class and who twist a politician's words to manipulate people they think won't understand hard truths.

I worked two and three jobs for years to get that fine education and it made my parents proud to go a Harvard graduate school graduation. I resent the implication that it makes Obama-- or me--elitist to have gotten a good education. We were lucky, that's all. I don't know the man, but I bet he's as grateful as I am to have had the chance.

Nobody but nobody in the well-fed, well-housed, well-educated, well-pensioned, well-insured, well-paid Washington crowd should be charging anyone else with elitism. By definition, if you are a player in Washington, you're part of the elite. I find it condescending to claim that the "little people" are optimistic and positive. How neo-colonial of McCain and Clinton.

Posted by: both sides of the fence | April 12, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

McSame and Billary, with their gazillions of dollars, are the ones who are out of touch. Obama nailed it both times. McSame & Billary are each a Crocker Shiite.

Posted by: Bugs222 | April 12, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Well call me bitter, pissed-off, tired of being lied too, and frustrated with the status quo. Everytime I go to the gas station to fill my tank, I'm bitter; everytime I go food shopping for my family of four and continue to see my dollar buy less and less, I'm bitter; everytime I look at my paystub and see how much is taken out for my family's health care and still pray everyday we don't get seriously sick because my plan covers JACK, I'm bitter! So let our rich media, HRC and JM convince their middle-class supporters and the "undecided" in rural PA that BO is an elitist. This year, I am taking responsibility for my vote and will ignore the rosey picture being painted by these opportunists. I will vote for a change. I will get involved and learn the facts and tune out the spin. This year, my proud Republican card carring, shot gun toating, religious leaning, head of household middle-class citizen will vote for Barack Obama! Four more years of McBush or Bilary is not an option. Not this time, I'm too bitter for that.

Posted by: Not Content | April 12, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

sandra,

Please see my previous post so you don't keep boosting Hillary on the back of Obama.

Posted by: rippermccord | April 12, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Annzalone you are a jerk...Talk about your self and not me...

Posted by: Robinhood | April 12, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

CHRIS !!

The REAL key words are contained in Obama's original remarks in SF concerning the failure of previous administrations to address people's needs:

"But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives."

Posted by: rippermccord | April 12, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I am from central Pennsylvania and you are all missing the point. Guns and religion are about hunting and going to church not about bitterness! You are all over analyzing this as did Senator Obama. He needs to go back to PA the Monday after Thanksgving, the first day of deer season and have another look. He might be the president elect and then again he may not. If he had said guns,religion and Penn State football he definitely will not be.
The Senator from Illinois has a serious sensitivity problem. Could that possibility be what elitism means??

Posted by: sandra | April 12, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

I am sick of people misrepresenting me as a racist. I have many colored friends.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 12, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

You want the fallout? I'll give you the fallout: the media establishment will lose even more credibility than it's already lost for once again demonstrating how out of touch it is with the country. 81% of the country thinks we're headed in the wrong direction, we're in a recession with no bottom yet in sight, we're mired in a war that is squandering our nation's blood and treasure, and we've gone from having the sympathy of the world after Sept. 11th to being hated by just about everyone in the world.

And what do you self-appointed political geniuses think is going to be the deciding issue? Whether using the word 'bitter' is going to offend voters. Words can't express the contempt I feel toward mainstream Washington journalists. If anyone is elitist, it's you pack of fools.

Posted by: BZ | April 12, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman, there you go again. Far from being "apalled" at Sen. Obama's remarks, as you describe the Huffington Post reporter's reaction, here is what Mayhill Fowler wrote in her article accompanying her tape of Obama's remarks:

"California needs to hear that other Americans have gone through hard times and survived, humor intact. Since Barack Obama sees himself as the candidate best able to unify the country, these are the messages he needs to carry and his frank words about Pennsylvania may not have translated very clearly.

"To give Obama his due, he spoke about working class Pennsylvanians likely because he had been thinking about them a great deal. And he spoke, as he often does away from large rallies, in a calm, even, matter-of-fact way. Every town hall meeting I've observed, from California to Iowa, Nevada to Texas, has showcased Senator Obama's core decency and high measure of regard for each individual."

Appalled? Only a Clinton or McCain supporter would describe the reporter's reaction that way.

Posted by: rippermccord | April 12, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Chris, usually you're pretty good at identifying the important parts of stories, but you missed it today by about 5 words. The truly important part of his speech was when he continued his sentence that began "i didn't say it as well as i should have" and followed with "because the truth is that these traditions that sustain us from generation to generation are important."

This statement is what is important because it gets to the substance of his commentary and because it puts the entire non-controversy into perspective. Now for people who want to just see some political combat the first have of the sentence (the section you highlighted) would be important, but for anyone interested in fixing what's wrong in this country its the follow-up that helps us address the issues of today.

Posted by: Andrew | April 12, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Can you Clinton flaks decide whether Obama is

(1) a crooked, jail house muslim drug addict with creepy inner city friends, or

(2) an effete over educated intellectual snob?

Could he be both? Kinda' like the devil, right, he is evil incarnate. Wow, it must be hard to lose so much support so fast to a virtual unknown. You must really hate him.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 12, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

leichtman - Not good. Door to door canvassing this morning, all people are talking about is Hillary and her lack of trust in trade. All decided in my five by five in Altoona, all for Obama or McCain.

Tomorrow we were supposed to be canvassing in a convoy to King of Prussia, but we have had many cancellations over the last few days.

I am like Hillary though and will go til the bitter end. Like you, I think that women have had it rougher than the negro. Hillary will win, hook or by crook.

Posted by: Live From Altoona | April 12, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Out of context? NO, not as long you get the ENTIRE conversation; the QUESTION as well as Obama's complete reply. Not just the snippets used by the media as well as the desperately shrill Hillary (Shrillary?) and the Bush v.3 campaign.

Posted by: perplexed | April 12, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Tynet, Diane, Karen and fellow American sheeple Obama wasn't going to get the ignorant bigoted vote anyway.

Posted by: Your Conscience | April 12, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

The tag team of "$100 million" Hill and "100 years in Iraq" McSame trying to swiftboat Obama's truth-telling merely points out it's not that Obama is out of touch, it's that he touched a nerve.

Full comments:
http://whathappenedtomycountry.blogspot.com

Posted by: Truth Hunter | April 12, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

The Clintons are the last people to accuse anyone of talking down to voters. To see them on the stump you'd think they were running for national kindergarten teacher. Bill always making sure to put on his folksy Arkansas accent and Hillary with her Hallmark platitudes, clapping and pointing as if she were leading a class of five-year olds. And if Americans fall for that line from Republicans again that Democrats are just a bunch of out of touch elitists while they're Joe Six-Pack then Heaven help us. We're doomed.

Posted by: JohnL | April 12, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Another thing.Just what exactly is Obama going to do about those problems in america he elaborates in his rhetorics?I keep hearing this obamamaniacs talk about change and how Obama is going to bring it.But I havent heard one solution from him.all i hear is platitudes.This guy has done no change in the past.Heck he cant even change his pastor.What exactly is obama going to do about those bitter people in penn.Is he going to transport some libs from San francisco to show them the light about Guns and christianity?
Obamamaniacs remind me of rev wrighs church he inspires his flock makes them jump and sing hallelujah when he screams GOD DAMN AMERICA and to hell with the white devils.In the end of the sermon whats left is bitter resentful people who are left much worse than when they came in.They want change alright but they arent willing to doit or back it up.

Posted by: tynet | April 12, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Diane; we will be curious what you can report of truly Undecided Pa voters and their sentiments. Like me you are likely partisan and what is significant are the voices of Pa undecideds and from my calling today there are plenty.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 12, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Funny. The two candidates that are both worth hundreds of millions of dollars are saying someone else is being "elitist" and "out of touch."

Posted by: nate | April 12, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Barack O got it dead on America is BITTER
HE should make this a slogan because the bitter truth is we can't afford to have hillary are McCain in the Whitehouse Obama
views things the way the majority of America does we're and now it's time to hill and face the bitter truth hillary supporters Barack Obama President elect for 08

Posted by: cedrick | April 12, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm a rural Pennsylvanian. Obama's lumping together of rural Pennsylvanians as clinging to guns and religion, being anti-immigration, anti-trade, anti- people who are different, all under the umbrella of bitterness over the economy and jobs is a slam to PA voters. Speaking these words to one of his mega-rich, no media allowed (now we know why) fundraisers on Millionaire's Row in San Francisco last weekend, he slammed the door in the faces of the thousands of Pennsylvanians who had greeted him just a week before on his six day bus trip through our state. Pandering to his billionaire supporters, he threw PA voters under the bus, just like he did with his "typical white person" reference to the grandmother who helped raise him. As he traveled through PA on his bus trip, we saw much coverage of his many side trips..... bowling, stopping in various sports bars, feeding baby cows at the Penn State cow barns, eating hot dogs in Altoona. Now, looking back, I see it all as a pretentious side-show, as he next went running to his big donors and basically called PA voters a bunch of narrow-minded, prejudiced hicks. I am offended by this attitude, and by his later response of how "in touch" he is. He is the one who is being narrow-minded, prejudiced and looking at Pennsylvanians as a stereotype. This is unacceptable. And, he wants to be my president? I don't think so.

Posted by: Diane | April 12, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

This reminds me of when Bush won GE in 2004 .The Elistist liberals in the democrat party started using that same explanation obama gave in penn.They didnt vote for kerry or Obama cause they are bitter gun totting evangelical christians that are to dumb to know the real world like we democrats.Libs are the bitter sore losers.just look ate how they are treating the clintons.flash back 2 years.The clintons where the life of the dem party and now they are vilified like a white devil in a rev wright speech.
It never stops to amaze me just how easy it is to be conned in the dem party.Well atleast one good thing happend some in the dem party for the first time are proud of america even if its a socialist one.

Posted by: tynet | April 12, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Obama's biggest "weakness" is that he's willing to speak Truth...not just Truth to Power but Truth to the rest of us, too. And where race and class are concerned, there's a whole lot of truth that America doesn't want to talk about, doesn't want to deal with. So racial and economic grievances fester and swell and spread underground.

Hell yes, people are bitter and not just in small towns either. And we're bitter for exactly the reasons that Obama cited. We're bitter. And we're insecure. So many of us cling to what we think will keep us safe, the kind of safety that we the people, not the government, can control: guns and religion.

The truth hurts. So McCain and Clinton AND much of the media try to spin Obama's truthful observations into "political mistakes", and immediately change the focus from those millions of Americans who've been left behind, with little or no hope for the future, and make Obama the focus, not the truth of his words.

Guess everyone wants to shoot the messenger. But the message is still out there and it's still true, and by trying to obliterate the messenger and bury the messenger, McCain and Clinton and the media want to bury the message ... and all the truth in the lives of all those bitter Americans along with it.

This is EXACTLY why we need someone like Obama in the White House. To confront the denial that millions of Americans have been deeply damaged by economic policies that have destroyed their lives and their futures; to confront the denial that a few civil rights laws passed 40 years ago has only skimmed the surface of addressing the deep racial injustices that still permeate our society; to confront the denial that military might wrongfully used creates disaster and suffering for everyone; to confront the denial that talking with our adversaries is the most important tool for resolving differences without bombs.

That's the real reason why Obama won't be elected. Because too many powerful people want to hide the truth and protect the systems of denial so they can continue to practice the very same political and economic policies that have gutted the American middle and working classes.

Obama MUST be silenced so we can have another 4, 8, 12 or 16 years of the same...until most of America truly IS existing at a third-world country standard of living.

Posted by: windrider | April 12, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

I'm not American, but I know that three-quarters of Americans supported invading Iraq in 2003. Yet three-quarters of Americans today believe the war was a bad idea.

Likewise, a clear majority of American voters re-elected GW Bush in 2004, yet his support hovers below 30% today.

That's mathematical proof that a large proportion of American voters is making a lot of bad, indeed self-harming, decisions.

Yet nobody in America is ever allowed to criticise the voter, criticise the public. Politicians are trained to spout pablum like: "I think the American people are pretty smart", "I think the American people usually come to the right decision, etc."

It's completely taboo to mention that the American people have been largely complicit in the disasters that have befallen them. Even Obama wouldn't dare say that. Suck up to the Great American Public at all costs.

Clinton and McCain play that game well, as did GW Bush. That's why the American public never looks at itself in the mirror.

Iraq is all Bush's fault, say the people who cheered and bayed for war in 2003. Our health costs are rising, moan people who voted against a decent health plan in 2004 because they were scared a homosexual might get married somewhere.

Like I said, I'm a foreigner and don't have to suck up to anyone. So I can say: Bush is a symptom, the American people is the cause.

Reading the comments of those here trying to enforce the taboo on criticising the choices of the US voter, it's easy to see why America is in such a deep hole.

I predict that Americans will continue to vote for those who tell them how great they are, and America will continue its irreversible decline.

Hopefully, when you're all broke, you will at least quit starting wars all the time.

Posted by: Kevrobb | April 12, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

BobbyO: you refuse to ackowledge that the actual tape recording is being played on CNN and suggest that too is taken out of context.

You also conveniently ignore that the reporter who was present at the fundraiser for the Huffington Post was appalled. Guess you are convinced that she too was a partisan.

I have now made 15 calls into Pa this morning and have found 5 undecideds.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 12, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

This is GREAT!

Obama has been trying to gain the support of older, blue-color, Catholic voters. Senator Casey's support has helped but this will put him over the top.

The more Clinton-McCain attack him with their gotcha politics the more Obama is able to put himself on the side of the middle class families who have been getting screwed by the government for the past 30 years!

Keep it up Hillary and John, the Obama campaign can use the extra support!!!

(BTW: a TV commercial response would be a good idea.)

Posted by: PeninsulaMatt | April 12, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

THIS IS RIDICULOUS!

Obama an 'elitist'? From Hillary~! and McSame?

Didn't Hillary go to Yale? Didn't she swat down all those caucus states as voters that didn't really count?

Wasn't McCain one of the Keating Five? Hasn't it taken him months, no years!, to realize what a mess the American economy is in?

And doesn't he want Americans to spend 100 years (and trillions of dollars) in Iraq when he keeps confusing who the warring factions are!

Please - please! - tell me neither of them will be in ANY position to answer the phone - any phone, at any time of day - regarding any issue of national importance.

I just want a president that knows how to tackle the issues -- instead of using diversionary tactics to mask their inability to lead.

Do I sound bitter? You bet!

THIS IS LUDICROUS!

Posted by: Captain John | April 12, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Ok I know the media is board but come on this is really dum .

grow up and realize that the man is right

Posted by: Doug Vickers | April 12, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

One lesson Democratic candidates should have learned by now - be very very careful what you say in San Francisco. San Franciso is Republican code for Gays.

Posted by: JohnL | April 12, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I think Obama uncorked some gross generalizations, emphasis on the "gross."
He seems to be saying that bitter "small town" America turn to flawed views on guns, religion, trade and immigration out of economic frustration. Like all gross generalizations, it contains a small percentage of truth -- emphasis on the "small."

Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton delivered one of her best lines of the campaign in response. Of course it's taboo to call attention to anything positive about the best candidate out there.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

I live outside a city and don't pretend to speak for rural or small town voters. Nor do I know or understand their experience. But it seems obvious to me that more people live in cities because there is more opportunity. It is also why I imagine you don't hear about a lot of people relocating to, say, Muncie, IN. There just aren't enough jobs - particularly for college graduates. My second point is that spending your life in a small cloistered environment can skew your impression of others unlike yourself. For instance, my wife grew up in a borough outside Philadelphia. This is not the middle of Kansas, yet she had never met a Jew in her life until she went to work for a university. This doesn't make her, nor the people who "cling" to guns and so forth, bad people, just often people who have been exposed to a wider world. Perhaps they are insulated. Now some may characterize this view as elitist. But I think it's just common sense. I'd like to think that maybe we can chew gum and have thoughtful conversations at the same time, without demagoging everything. Maybe I'm wrong. Barack Obama, for all of his faults, is addressing subjects that bear discussion. Sure, his frankness may disturb those who want to reduce everything to black and white, and maybe he pays a price. But sometimes there are more important things than elections.

Posted by: Larry | April 12, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Leichtman wrote:

BobbyO: CNN has played the actual tape recording from the Huffington Post reporter. Since when is a tape recording of Sen Obama's actual statement twisting and taking out of context? Was Sen Obama taking himself out of context when he was tape recorded? That's is a truly bizarre comment.

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No, Leichtman, the bizarre thing is deliberately replacing Obama's words with a pundit's own cynical spin on them. Or in your case, deliberately refusing to see the difference between reporting Obama's words (whether through print or audio replay) and replacing them with those cynical ones.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Thank God we have Hillary Clinton (net worth $110 million) and John McCain (net worth $250 million, condo in Aspen & 7 other vacation homes, private jet, etc) to stand up for the little guy against Obama the elitist.

Posted by: OD | April 12, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Obama talks to you as an adult. Hillary and McSame talk to you as if you are a stupid child. Which one meets your needs?

Posted by: Your Conscience | April 12, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Having grown up in Flint MI, from a family of autoworkers, I see how Clinton's pandering does strike a chord. The sleight of hand tricks her campaign has been using, that Bill's experience is her experience (of course except for NAFTA), that she has Scranton roots and knows what people are going through, that people aren't bitter, that people will superficially look at the economy of the 90s and equate that to Clintonism and not the normal cycles of a capitalist framework, that she was tired and forgot she never took sniper fire....

Obama definitely has problems too, but at least he minimizes his pandering (the fact that he has minimal lobbying monies in his campaign signals at least he won't have many favors to repay that run contra to working class America, unlike McCain and Clinton) and least gives there more of a chance to actually have some difference. We of could tell people that GM and Ford will save them, which isn't going to happen. Or we can give them some truth and help them find other ways to sustain themselves, and have them vote on their economic interests (universal health care, mortgage relief) rather than intangibles that the Republicans can readily supply (worthless lip-service as my third grade teacher would say) such as flags, guns, god, etc.

Give them the truth, if they vote against their interests they deserve what they receive....

Posted by: dood | April 12, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Funny thing.

Rather than thinking about what the speech actually addressed, opponents played the "emotional card".

After all, that same "emotional card" worked well to get us into Iraq.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I'm so glad someone (Obama) is finally saying what is true. People are 'mad as hell and they aren't going to take it any more!'

We are tired of empty promises!

We are tired of all this lobby-led, good-old-boy/girl, legislative crap that offers the moon but only delivers job security for senators like McCain and Clinton.

Obama is right on! And I'm a Republican!!!!

Who wouldn't be bitter with Washington? Who isn't tired of being sold a bill of goods?

If this is the best Clinton and McCain can do - they are desperate and that is why they are in bed together on this. But they are climbing up the wrong tree and the nation is waking up to their ridiculous politics.

Posted by: mike k | April 12, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

NICE GOING, MEDIA!

It's one thing to report. It's another to crank this up into a controversy. Sells advertising, doesn't it?

Posted by: rippermccord | April 12, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Karen wrote:

he told a bunch of millionaires in San Francisco they hicks in PA were bible thumping bigots.

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No, Karen, those are YOUR words, and their meaning is entirely different from the words and meaning of Sen. Obama.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

What controversy? Is there no economic pain in the electorate? Is it not true that, as the recession deepens and the income gap widens, many citizens have lost faith that politicians ever will improve their lives economically? Is it a lie that voter turnout tends to surge over "red-meat" initiatives and referenda that Republicans often place on general election ballots?

Gay marriage bans, conceal-and-carry gun laws and other marginal issues have long been used by the GOP to gin up turnout, especially when the party is in danger of losing on the larger issues. Here in Missouri, white construction companies and their lobbyists are sponsoring an anti-affirmative action petition deceptively titled "The Missouri Civil Rights Initiative." Any wonder why that's coming along in a presidential election year?

This "bitter" dustup is nothing more than Clinton and McCain bitterly trying to pick off voters from Obama. That's politics, pure and simple. So what's the news flash here? Where's the novelty?

Is the story that the media is giving legs to a politically manufactured controversy that doesn't have a leg to stand on?

More likely, the REAL story here is that Obama told voters the truth instead of just repeating the fictions Clinton and McCain think they want to hear.

Posted by: rippermccord | April 12, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Clinton has no reason to be bitter because she made 109 million in the last 8 years. McCain has no reason to be bitter because he married an heiress.
Clinton and McCain feel for the middle class so they say things we want to hear. They feel for us.
And we believe them. Which is why we Americans get what we deserve.

Posted by: Crossover | April 12, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I don't know about people in PA, but Mr. Obama had me pegged when he called Americans "bitter." No one is more bitter than me. Hillary is going to lose and I am sad.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 12, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Okay, let me understand this. The NY Times poll says that 81 percent of Americans think the country is headed in the wrong direction and Hillary Clinton responding to Obama's comments says, "As I travel around Pennsylvania, I meet people who are resilient, who are optimistic, who are positive,.." I think Obama's comments are a more realistic assessment. As he has often said, he's telling people what they need to hear, not what they want to hear.

And, when I look at the war and other things Bush has done I'm reminded of the famous phrase: "If you're not angry it's because you're not paying attention."

Posted by: Keith Hood | April 12, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

You know those V-8 commercial where people are hit in the head when they eat the wrong thing?

Every journalist spinning this for Obama, using censorship and propaganda to get their candidate elected should get hit the head by a US citizens and be forced to say

"I was manipulated by David Axelrod today"

Posted by: Karen | April 12, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Obama is the typical Harvard pinhead. He reads everything but he knows nothing and feels even less. If he were president he would be like the little boy who can take apart a clock to see how it works, and then is left dumbfounded because he can't put it back together and is left without a working clock. Actually, kind of like what Bush did to the country. The same sense of entitlement coupled with a complete lack of common sense.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | April 12, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

"Almost everyone I know is bitter about what has happened in America in the past 8 years" AND CLING TO RELIGION,GUNS AND ANTI IMMIGRATION as a result.

As much as Obama supporters want to ignore the second half of what he said that is an inaccurate characterization.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 12, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I would have said, they have a wicked bad case of the ass.

But I don't say things as well as I should.

Posted by: pressF1 | April 12, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Anyone who thinks the media is in the tank for Obama should have seen CNN last night when they spent a couple hours dealing with Obama's Callifornia comments and calling them a "SLAM" at small town America. It was unbelievable! It may be related to the fact that the two female commentators have been crypto-Clintonites from day one.

Posted by: Bobby O | April 12, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Almost everyone I know is bitter about what has happened in America in the past 8 years or more. Elitist? Please.

Posted by: amaikovich | April 12, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

BobbyO: CNN has played the actual tape recording from the Huffington Post reporter. Since when is a tape recording of Sen Obama's actual statement twisting and taking out of context? Was Sen Obama taking himself out of context when he was tape recorded? That's is a truly bizarre comment.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 12, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Obama Spins so fast its no wonder his supporters are dizzy.

Its not about Biitter.

Its about being for guns and religion in one place and against them in another.

Its not about one sermon, its about 20 years.

Its not about giving speeches its about doing your job and lot letting people freeze in slums.

Its being real, not being "real smooth"

Obama is a con man.

His supporters are immature fools.

The rest of America isn't fooled by him anymore.

We know a fake and a fraud when we see one.

Obama's BS isn't Chocolate Fudge.

Its just BS.

Posted by: Obama's Spinners are dizzy | April 12, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

beiruti: surprised that the media has ignored your mention:"This guy is supposed to be the great unifier"

and once again why are all of the Obama supporters and Sen Obama himself conveniently and totally ignoring the Second and offensive part of his statement?

Posted by: Leichtman | April 12, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

"Obama's supporters think his steaming pile of BS is Chocolate Fudge.

The rest of America knows the difference between the two."

I think you got that backwards on this one, It's Clinton and McCain that are dishing out the tired, standard, stale BS. If you ask me Obama just cut through it.

Posted by: johnny b | April 12, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

The spin machine is at it again, taking a comment out of context and twisting it to say something it really did not say. Obama's comment about small town bitterness was not a put-down, but an expression of empathy. Obama's equivalent of Bill C's "I feel your pain."
Any attempt on the part of either Clinton or McCain to twist and exploit that statement is contrived, hypocritical and deceitful.

Posted by: Bobby O | April 12, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I live in an unicorporated rural area, 3 miles from the town owth a population of 245 people.

Karen, I work a lot harder than you (unless you only need 4-5 hours of sleep a night too). It is you who are insulting and divisive.

Fortunately your candidate, the one whose husband just described as having a senior moment when she lied about havinjg brought her daughter to a war zone, has already lost the need they needed and used to have in PA.

They are toast and McCain is a laugher. President Barak Obama. Deal with it.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 12, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

FYI - Fox News has made this a headline story - no surprise there.
Also on Fox News "fair and balanced" 'journalists' like Brit Hume, Karl Rove, Hannity and Colmes, and my personal journalistic hero - Bill O'Reilly, weigh in on this and other matters about Democrats. Who needs gop.com, just used Fox News.

Posted by: Bob | April 12, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

What's extraordinary for me is how out of touch the other two major candidates, media and the pollsters are in responding to these comments.

"Bitter" is exactly how the vast majority of working AND middle class people feel, look around, it's a sentiment that is not too hard to find.

This is not a comment that will hurt Senator Obama, rather, this is the issue everyone has been talking around, and he has actually addressed it, squarely and honestly.

Senator McCain has chosen to bury his head in the sand instead. Senator Clinton has decided that she would rather respond by sending out Republican talking points produced by Grover Nordquist of all people. She even has the audacity to tell Pennsylvanians that they are not bitter, but are instead happy and perky when faced with the economic dislocation they've been heir to over the past 30 years.

I find is sad that when a politician actually speaks the truth he is lambasted for it. This is ridiculous.

Posted by: ambidextroushbw | April 12, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

I'm sure no one at the Sedona Country Club or the Chappaqua Country Club are bitter, and neither are multi-millionaires Clinton and McCain.

Posted by: truth | April 12, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Carol: 400,000 jobs were created in Pa between '92 and 2000; uneployment dropped from 7.6% to 4.7% in Pa during that same time period and the poverty rate was cut almost in half. Its totally irresponsible for Sen Obama to slam the economic results during the Clinton Admin for the disastrous W policies towards Pa. Bill Clinton has been out of office for 7 years. When he left office we had a $250 billion dollar surplus its now a $300 billion dollar deficit, so lets tell the whole story. Somehow I thought that it was Republicans who practice revisionism. Ed Rendell was mayor in the 90s and he states that Pa was thriving under the last Clinton Administration but its easier for the Obama supporters to just come here and cynically link the W's failed economic policies with Bill's.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 12, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Obama's supporters think his steaming pile of BS is Chocolate Fudge.

The rest of America knows the difference between the two.

Posted by: Tired of Obama's BS | April 12, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

The thing was not the emphasis on the word "bitter", but Obama's characterization of blue collar Americans who have been on the short end of the globalization stick being bitter about government, sure, but then responding to economic hard times, by clinging to their guns, going to church, being racially biased and nativist.

This is the damning indictment of Obama. This guy is supposed to be the great unifier and what he has given here is a stereotypical Black man spouting a stereotypical picture of White People. Bitter, Nativist, racist gun toting hypocritical church goers.

Is it truth? Its as true as stereotypical generalizations. This is the stuff that racial divides are made of, not the stuff of racial reconciliation.

Is it elitist? No. It is more a sign of hopeless ignorance on Obama's part.

Maybe his faith experience is that he goes to church to vent his bitterness, certainly his preacher seems to verbalize the bitterness of his congregation. But that is not why most people go to church.

And because of NAFTA, people get their guns and go out hunting? Has Obama ever been hunting? How would he know what motivates a guy to go out with his son or his buds early in the morning to go and hunt?

Quite frankly, I am appalled. Appalled that he would say it and that the media would play the story as they have.

How much more does this guy have to show that he is unelectable in the fall.

His background, his public life, his biased view toward White People, his confusion of who and what he is and with all of that, he comes to national public life in 2005 and is running for president 18 months later??

The problem with Obama is not that he is Black, its that he is green. Ignorant about the people he insists on leading, ignorant about America and ignorant about America's place in the world.

If he were an eloquent white man, he would have already gone back to his day job and left the Presidency to those more able to handle it.

But the progressive press is impressed with the young man. A hand full of big donors who bundle had given him a fund raising core that most politicians can only dream about and so what we have here is the Left wing version of George W. Bush.

We do not want another Bush, from the left or the right.

Posted by: Beiruti | April 12, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Right on Obama! I work in a blue collar community in upstate NY, and we have lost 4 major manufacturing plants(one I worked at), a major military base(my husband worked at) and tons of people leaving in search of the American dream that used to be achieved at home(including 4 of our kids). Bitter is actually a little milder than what I'd use to describe my feelings on the topic.

The political system is skewed to herd voters into one issue votes, because they feel helpless to change their futures. The Republican politicians focus on terrorism, illegal immigrants, gun control, abortion, gay marriage, and end of life issues to win control of Washington. Just look at the past 2 elections and look where it got the voters. A dumb, endless war, a stupid border fence you can climb over, under or blow up. A country so entrenched in oil that it can't function with out it and is at the mercy of countries who don't give a d@mn.

Posted by: Terry | April 12, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I think the fact that Obama jumped out in front of this and came clean with a "This is what I really said" retort I don't see any damage at all, in fact I see him gaining some votes here. I saw that video, I saw the standing ovation not from college kids but what looked to me as regular Indiana folk. I don't think we should look at this election with 2004 goggles. In 2004 Obama would have stepped out of the race with Wright. In 2004 this gaffe would have sunk him. This is not 2004. There is an anger underneath and above the surface for that matter that Obama tapped into with his response. I see this as a net positive for him.

Posted by: johnny b | April 12, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Just to set the record straight - Carter Eskew was a Bush campaign spokesman in 2000, and has also provided services to Joe Lieberman, the former democrat senator from CT.

So I'm not sure how impartial he is.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0011/18/smn.04.html

Posted by: Bob | April 12, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

What he said is true! Whats all the fuss about?

Posted by: sjxylib | April 12, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

If you watch Obama's response in Indiana, and his standing ovation to it, you will realize that the media has it wrong on this. The media always gets it wrong. The middle class is angry and frustrated and bitter at times about jobs disappearing and health insurance becoming unaffordable or non-existent and pensions being lost. What is the media and Clinton and McCain talking about? They are the ones who are out of touch. People have lost faith in Washington to fix the problem because of the special interests, and are not voting their economic interests, getting caught up in the Republican pushed issues of gay marriage and guns and abortion. Obama isn't the elitist, it is really the media who is elitist who is trying to spin this as a blunder. Obama won't back down. He knows this is the truth.

Posted by: Goldie2 | April 12, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Who has used anti-trade tactics the most on the campaign trail? Barack Obama. WHo says he worships Jesus to get the religious vote? Barack Obama.

BO went after Hillary because Bill passed NAFTA. He used the fear of free trade to scare voters. Now, he is saying the stupid voters are anti-trade and they are wrong. Is he anti-trade? Which is it?

David Axelrod is manipulating the media. Journalists run Obama's campaign. They are lobbyists with First Amendment protection. Axelrod emails journalists, and the write what he tells them to.

Posted by: Karen | April 12, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Well Clinton trolls and flaks, first you said he was a gangster, a drug addict with too many low brow friends. Now he is an elitist and a snob?

Watching you lose your minds is entertaining actually.

What is it like to see double digit leads disappear again and again? Did you know that the Clintons' loss in this campaign is one of record proportions?

This guy who "doesn't get it", Barak Obama has built the largest grassroots fund raising organization in history.
It is still growing and we are not tapped out by any means.

Do you enjoy watching Bill humiliate his wife again and again and again? We miss Mark Penn.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 12, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

This story will depend very much on how the media plays it. Will this be an ad nauseum back and forth, or will there be a little truth seeking. From the larger context of the speech I read, it isn't a condescending remark at all. It is about why Pennsylvanians and other rust belters aren't as swayed by his hope approach. Interestingly, it is also a refutation of the idea that Pennsylvanians are racist. He says they are wary and distrustful.

Posted by: MonitaJB | April 12, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

its the second half of the quote, why small towners cling to religion, guns and antiImmigration, that classic stereotype of rural and southern voters that is being deliberately avoided here and will be the problem.

CC it will be the polling numbers of the 12% undecided and i.d. soft Obama supporters that will tell the story next week, not what the partisans on each side say.

Eskew has it exactly right, its how the Second half of his statement will play to rural voters. I don't see how it can in any way be viewed favorably, but I am partisan so lets just see what those undecided voters are saying. I will be calling into Pa today. Will be curious to see the responses from those undecided voters.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 12, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Obama said these hardworking people had antipathy towards those who are not like them and were anti-trade and anti-immigrant.

he told a bunch of millionaires in San Francisco they hicks in PA were bible thumping bigots. Oh, to only live in the moral mecca of San Francisco. He insulted hardworking people. So what if a guy believes marriage is between a man and a woman - 75% of the country agrees with the bitter guy in PA. Is it really better and more tolerant in the big city? Is Chicago safer? Is LA safer? Are graduation rates higher in small town America or Chicago? Did Obama tell those out of work steelworkers in Chicago to move out?

He is an elitist. He bad mouthed PA voters in San Fransisco. It was condescending. It is very patriotic and very important that people who dissent from his divisive and polarizing comments speak out. He is liberal Chicago politics. We have a right and a duty to challenge his insults.

Posted by: Karen | April 12, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

What Obama said about guns and Jesus and bitterness among the blue collars who worship at these altars, is absolutely true. What's remarkable is that educated folks throughout the country don't want to rip this scab off. Denial works for them as well as for the rapture acolytes.

The big winner is the media which runs around with glee and the reactionary forces which keep America stuck in the sooty past.

Ignorance and wishful thinking are the twin curses that keep this country mired in hopelessness and perpetual inability to effectively deal with global problems: poverty, global heating, environment, energy, social relations, bad government or lack of government, relations with other peoples,..

Obama was correct in his statement. McCain and Clinton were, to their old ways of thinking, right to jump on it. It only underscores who's really on the Straight Talk Express and who wants to keep our feet firmly planted on Square One.

More courageous reality acknowledgement. A big people can take the introspection. Tiny people can continue to man the barricades of irresponsiblity and petulance.

And let the stinging slap of cold, harsh reality sort out the winners. And the dead.

Thanks much. HLB

Posted by: HLBeckPE | April 12, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Clinton and McCain jumped on this because it was the policies of the Clinton and Bush administrations which created this anger, bitterness and pain. Over the past 14 years, formerly middle class America has slid into the abyss of poor America because of Clinton's trade policies responsible for the loss of jobs. Clinton promised new jobs would created under NAFTA and the formerly middle-class poor now inhabit ghost towns, unaided in their unfortunate plight. Bush's tax breaks--embraced by McCain which aided the rich and neglected the middle-poor classes is also responsible. That's why they are so eager to attack Obama a poor attempt to point fingers at the messes they have created.
Seniors on fixed incomes are bitter and angry as well--scraping to keep warm, struggling to keep their homes, facing escalating medical, gas and food prices as they attempt to survive. And worrying about the future their children and grandchildren face, thanks to the Bush deficits and a war to be paid for by their grandchildren.

Posted by: carol from connecticut | April 12, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

The last guy you talked to is absolutely correct. McCain and Clinton are so off base here, their attacks on Obama have zero credibility. I think it was great that Obama went straight into the heart of this and defended the statement and drew the contrast. That is why he is where he is, and that is why people respond to him, it's called INTEGRITY! McCain and Clinton seem to insist that there is NO bitterness in the Rustbelt, there is NO frustration, in fact such feelings are UnAmerican. There is nothing but optimism and belief in Washington and America!!! Right!! Look at the right-track/wrong-track numbers, look at approval ratings for Congress and Bush.

It will be clear as day that Clinton and McCain are two sides of the same coin. Old Washington pols up to their necks in special interest money. The contrast between them and Obama could not be clearer.

He also defended the statement about guns and religion, as he should. When there is no point in voting on economics because Washington doesn't give a damn, then they vote on guns and morality.

Posted by: h1000 | April 12, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

guess what - i AM bitter. we're in a war that is sapping the economic and military strength and prepardness of our country. we have a president and vice president who don't care what the polls say, they're gonna do what they want even though they work for us. john's campaign is calling obama an elitist? you just lost me, john and hillary - it looks like obama listens to people while the other guys are pointing fingers. obama didn't flip me, john and hillary's minions' comments on this did.

Posted by: vinnie in NC | April 12, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

The "elitist" label applied to Obama is incredibly bizarre to me. This is a guy who put himself through school, only recently paid off his student loans, was raised by a largely absent single mom, who was on a self-destructive path as a youngster before he pulled himself out of it, etc. I mean, if there's anyone in this race that a lot of Americans can relate to, it's Obama.

I see Obama in the same way that I saw Bill Clinton in 1992: someone whose personal story combined with his unquestionable intellect made me feel both empathy and admiration. In the end, I admired the substance of Clinton's presidency, but Clinton "the man" left a lot to be desired. I'm willing to take a chance on Obama because he does not seem to have the same moral failings as Clinton, but every bit the intellect.

For the past 8 years, Americans have been saddled with an imbecile who we wanted "to sit down and have a beer with".

Let's not make the same mistake once more.

Posted by: P Diddy | April 12, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Commiserating with a group of people is not and never has been "disrespecting" them.

Obama's remarks were neither unfortunate nor ill-considered. It was virtually inevitable that someone, somewhere would deliberately take his words out of context and pretend that he meant to insult the group he was defending. That is a very common political technique, commonly known as "lying".

The question is, are you as a reporter or as a reader going to be stupid enough to parrot that false interpretation in the name of reporting the "news"?

Here is what Barack Obama himself said in Indiana on the subject:

When I go around and I talk to people there is frustration and there is anger and there is bitterness. And what's worse is when people are expressing their anger then politicians try to say what are you angry about? This just happened - I want to make a point here today.

"I was in San Francisco talking to a group at a fundraiser and somebody asked how're you going to get votes in Pennsylvania? What's going on there? We hear that's its hard for some working class people to get behind you're campaign. I said, "Well look, they're frustrated and for good reason. Because for the last 25 years they've seen jobs shipped overseas. They've seen their economies collapse. They have lost their jobs. They have lost their pensions. They have lost their healthcare.

"And for 25, 30 years Democrats and Republicans have come before them and said we're going to make your community better. We're going to make it right and nothing ever happens. And of course they're bitter. Of course they're frustrated. You would be too. In fact many of you are. Because the same thing has happened here in Indiana. The same thing happened across the border in Decatur. The same thing has happened all across the country. Nobody is looking out for you. Nobody is thinking about you. And so people end up- they don't vote on economic issues because they don't expect anybody's going to help them. So people end up, you know, voting on issues like guns, and are they going to have the right to bear arms. They vote on issues like gay marriage. And they take refuge in their faith and their community and their families and things they can count on. But they don't believe they can count on Washington. So I made this statement-- so, here's what rich. Senator Clinton says 'No, I don't think that people are bitter in Pennsylvania. You know, I think Barack's being condescending.' John McCain says, 'Oh, how could he say that? How could he say people are bitter? You know, he's obviously out of touch with people.'

"Out of touch? Out of touch? I mean, John McCain--it took him three tries to finally figure out that the home foreclosure crisis was a problem and to come up with a plan for it, and he's saying I'm out of touch? Senator Clinton voted for a credit card-sponsored bankruptcy bill that made it harder for people to get out of debt after taking money from the financial services companies, and she says I'm out of touch? No, I'm in touch. I know exactly what's going on. I know what's going on in Pennsylvania. I know what's going on in Indiana. I know what's going on in Illinois. People are fed-up. They're angry and they're frustrated and they're bitter. And they want to see a change in Washington and that's why I'm running for President of the United States of America."

Posted by: Michae English | April 12, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Obama said that people who had work lost that work -- and had little chance of getting more work -- because the one industry in town moved out.
He also said that they were "bitter." That's not elitism; it's politelness in a public speech.
What they really feel is "pissed off."

Posted by: Frank Palmer | April 12, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Besides the fact the quote doesn't seem as dismissive as people seem to say it is, one major difference is that the only proof of it is a marbled poor-quality audio tape.
It makes it unusuable in ads and makes it hard for the media to run the actual audio over and over.
In our environment, that makes it a much less potent weapon (unlike, say, the "voted for before I voted against" or even Wright for that matter).

But you have to love how the media keep talking about the quote in regards to the "damage" it would do without mentioning the actual content of it and whether, maybe, Obama told the truth.

Posted by: Benjamin | April 12, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

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