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Bachmann Goes Boom!

Five days ago, Minnesota Republican Rep. Michelle Bachmann seemed headed to a relatively pedestrian reelection win in her suburban Twin Cities district.

Then this happened (the excitement begins around the seven-minute mark):

Those comments, made to Chris Matthews on "Hardball" last Friday, alleging that Barack Obama held "anti-American" views immediately lit up the blogosphere, energized the campaign of former Blaine Mayor Elwyn Tinklenberg (great name!) and turned Bachmann's race from an afterthought into one of the most high profile House races in the country.

Tinklenberg has raised more than $800,000 in the aftermath of Bachmann's comments and Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee communications director Jen Crider has called this a "$1 million mistake" on the part of the Republican incumbent.

The DCCC, sensing opportunity, began airing an ad hitting Bachmann on her opposition to government regulation of the financial industry -- the leading edge of a seven-figure television buy that runs through election day.

And, the Cook Political Report -- one of the most highly respected handicappers of Congressional races and The Fix alma mater -- moved the race (subscription required) from likely Republican to toss up yesterday.

Of the race, Cook House editor David Wasserman wrote: "Bachmann's comments likely changed the complexion of her reelection race overnight and helped to turn the race into even more of a referendum on her."

Even though Bachmann's 6th district is comfortably Republican -- President George W. Bush carried it with 57 percent of the vote in 2004 -- its GOP roots may not be enough to save her from the tsunami she has created and, inexplicably, furthered with an op-ed piece in the Politico seeking to talk her way out of the controversy.

(Side note: Why was Bachmann, who was in a targeted if not top-tier race, appearing on a national television show to talk about Obama less than three weeks before the election? Anyone? Bueller?)

Recent history is littered with politicians whose stories sound eerily similar to Bachmann's.

Take former New Jersey Republican Rep. Mike Pappas who decided back in the summer of 1998 that it would be a good idea to go to the House floor and deliver a jingle (set to the tune of "Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star") that honored independent counsel Kenneth Starr. The move drew national attention and propelled Democrat Rush Holt into Congress.

Or former Virginia Sen. George Allen who was already being discussed as a 2008 presidential candidate when, during the summer of 2006, he referred to a Democratic campaign worker as "macaca." Jim Webb, former Secretary of the Navy, was going nowhere before the "macaca" comment but found himself riding a national wave after it and today sits in the Senate.

Bachmann could well join that ignominious list in just 14 days time. Not only did she commit a major blunder but she also did it at the worst possible time and in one of the worst election cycles in recent memory. In past years, national Republicans might have been able to bail Bachmann out. But, the money just isn't there this time around. Bachmann is on her own -- a very lonely place to be.

By Chris Cillizza  |  October 21, 2008; 12:11 PM ET
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Michelle Bachmann is an example of how dumbed down our politions have become.

If I hear another REAL AMERICIAN comment I think I'll puke.

Maybe we should investigate her educational background and see if she is able to read and write above a 3rd grade level.

If she can we should proceede to having her read the Constitution. The one she took an oath to protect. The one that includes ALL OF US.

Posted by: jet43 | October 25, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

U.S. Republican Rep. Michelle Bachmann (MN-06) is simply too disgusting for words. I find it hard to believe that even the GOP would talk like this in 2008. What is this, the McCarthy era? Condemn someone for totally fabricated, ridiculous, incredible lies in order to destroy their lives and careers? Is this Stalinist Russia? Or Nazi Germany? Has the national leadership of the Republican Party decided that they basically want to become the Taliban now? If I were an ordinary citizen that was a member of the Republican Party, this is the kind of thing that would make me switch my party alleigance and never come back. It's completely beyond the pale to say things like this on national TV, to believe them in the first place, and the Republican leadership is now certainly scraping the bottom of the barrel / the gutter / the cesspool. Shame on them. America, this great Land of Liberty that I love so much, America deserves better than this. MUCH better! I hope Rep. Bachmann will shortly be granted a permanent hiatus by the voters of Minnesota's 6th District to contemplate her egregiously emetic comments in shame as a private citizen.

--Absolutely Disgusted in North Carolina

Posted by: Expelliarmus | October 24, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: king_of_zouk
"68 Percent...That's how many active-duty military men and women support McCain over Obama..."

Are we supposed to care? Do members of the military get to vote twice? What is the significance?

Posted by: billy8 | October 24, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama has never answered a single question about his multiple truly
suspicious associations and views. His only response is to spread the manure, just as he plans to spread the wealth.
What rational American could think there's absolutely nothing dicey about Obama's long and close working relationship with terrorist Bill Ayers to poison the minds of school children in Illinois and throughout the USA against their nation.
Not only should he have run like hell when he learned who Ayers was (and it was most likely long before he has admitted)
but any loyal American would also have asked immediately, "Who made this terrorist/traitor a professor and what is he doing to our kids?"
Poster "Dano" ranted that right-wingers have taken over this country. Nice try.
It's the left-wingers who took over this country long ago, beginning in the 60s. It doesn't matter if a Republican is in the White House, the anti-American liberals control all education, the foundations and their money, the unions, much or most of big business, the NEWS and entertainment MEDIA, including Hollywood, and the bureaucracy of all federal, state and municipal government. Any poor Republican who gets into the White House gets slandered mercilessly 24/7 for four or eight years and can't do diddly.
Dano's correct that most of the Constitution is gone, but he's lying about which parts. The Dems have destroyed freedom of speech, religion, conscience,
and the right to love your country. They have substituted the right to gay marriage, the right to have your
children indoctrinated to marxism and islamofascism, anything but democracy, and the right of your children to be urged to have sex in middle school and get an abortion without the parents knowing it
happened.
But if you insane Obama voters think
you'll be fine because only loyal Americans will get the shaft, think again. Only his special friends and flunkies will
be spared. All those trillions he promised them is coming from your hide. That's spreading the wealth, baby! Lots of luck.
Who is this mysterious nobody who should be President without ever answering a single question or telling the truth
about the only policy he has--jacking up taxes so high--even higher than Clinton--
that you'll barf.
The news media--entrusted with complete freedom so they could be the people's watchdog--are now all sicko leftists in the tank for Obama. He has no watchdog, no restraints, no dissent
except for a few brave patriots like Michele Bachmann who have to do the media's job for them.
God help the USA.
Bachmann

Posted by: kypriotis | October 24, 2008 1:25 AM | Report abuse

Michelle Bachmann says on Hardball that you associate with people with like views and goes on to take Barack Obama to task for associating with Rev. Wright and Mr. Ayers. I don't suppose she stopped to think for a moment about John McCain and his association with Charles Keating? That was a much closer association than Obama/Ayers. Strangely enough, the whole American economy stands at the cusp and could easily go the way of the Savings and Loans in the 90s. Should the man that helped bring down the S&Ls be allowed to 'fix' our economy? Scary thought. We need someone who understands economics, and John McCain, on his own, has said several times in the past that he doesn't understand economics, they are his weak point.

Posted by: jennypulczinski | October 23, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I'm sending Ms. Bachmann a Christmas gift - a nice brown shirt.

:-)

Posted by: toritto | October 22, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Stupid people come in two forms: male and female. Ms. Bachmann is a moron of the female persuasion. Like all morons in a position of power, she is also dangerous. For those too young to know or those with a weak memory: we had a person like Ms. Bachmann in Congress once before. That time it was a man who also wanted to investigate members of Congress. His name was Joseph McCarthy and he brought this country a lot of shame and grief. I have sent a small contribution to Ms. Bachmann's opponent. I hope that Minnesotans will do us all a favor by getting rid of her. She does not belong in the US government.

Posted by: mac1940 | October 22, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Republicans can dish it out, but just can't take it.
Jump with both feet on a man's associations when he was 11 years old, but don't consider what a member of Congress says to be important.
Take away Americans' rights to privacy, to habeas corpus, to a swift trial by their peers, but call everyone who disagrees with you traitors, nazis, fascists.
Invade Iraq with no substantive provocation, and question the loyalty of anyone who asks why we're there.

Posted by: Miles55 | October 22, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

37th&OStreet becomes more hysterical every day. Seems as though he didn't read the article OR watch the video above before he started spouting off about Obama running the "most anti-American campaign" ever!

Each day, the McCain campaign and its apologists sound more like the late, not-so-great McCarthy red witch-hunters of the Cold War. Now they accuse their opponents of spreading hatred even WHILE they accuse their opponents of hateful things.

Keep it up, 37th. You may yet corner the market on hypocrisy.

Posted by: Iconoblaster | October 22, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

As we peer into society's future, we – you and I, and our government – must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering for, for our own ease and convenience, the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without asking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage.
We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow.

Down the long lane of the history yet to be written America knows that this world of ours, ever growing smaller, must avoid becoming a community of dreadful fear and hate, and be, instead, a proud confederation of mutual trust and respect.


Eisenhower's Farewell Address to the Nation
January 17, 1961

Posted by: slapfour | October 22, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I am one of Michele Bachmann's constituents here in the 6th district of Minnesota. Like most of you I am outraged that my Congresswoman would make such statements and then have the gall to not take responsibility for those statements. The Democratic party is making inroads in the district and I am hoping that this will galvanize us further. Ms. Bachmann has consistently avoided forums where she would face her opponent one on one. If she cannot control the message she stays away.

Because of how Congressional districts boundaries are often drawn (check out the 6th districts boundary and you'll understand that gerrymandering lives) one party often has a nearly insurmountable advantage. This is the case in my district. So, much as I will do to see she does not return to Congress, please don't think us all mad here in Minnesota if she is re-elected. She's a nut job but, a Republican nut job and that counts for some thing in this district.

So help us all out here in Minnesota and send Mr. Tinklenberg a few extra dollars. It was bad enough to explain why we had a former professional wrestler as our Governor, please don't make me admit she is my Congresswoman.

Now on a completely different subject...Has it occurred to anyone else that the crowds at McCain - Palin events sound just like the crowds at "The Howard Beale Show" (Network (film 1976).

"I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore."

Posted by: bobv1973 | October 22, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I love people who shoot their foot. Ms. Bachman's case is particularly singular as she used to shotgun.

Posted by: Troglodyte | October 22, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Shhhhhhh!!!!!! Did you hear that? I think it is God telling you that you will not be in Congress next year Congressperson Bachmann. Gee, and I was wondering who would play Anita Bryant in the next Bio Pic of her great and everlasting career? Maybe since Congressperson Bachmann has qualifications to play Glenda the Good Witch, she would fit right into the role of Anita Bryant. God could call you into acting you know! How Great Thou Art!
Paid for by a Palin Labeled Non-American

Posted by: davetpahgts | October 22, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: king_of_zouk
"68 Percent...That's how many active-duty military men and women support McCain over Obama..."
---

Well, that's why they say that "Military Intelligence" is an oxymoron.

You too are an oxymoron but in your case it just means a moron with pimples.

Posted by: VMR1 | October 22, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Holy crap, I thought being a good American was (A) being born or naturalized in this country, (B) swearing to uphold the Constitution of the United States (all of it, not just parts) and (C) following through. I have met A, B and C, but I usually wear something from my deceased grandmother's pin collection. Please Republicans, can I stay in the country where I was born?

Posted by: corridorg4 | October 22, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

"LAPEL PINS ARE THE ANSWER. Fortunately, the republican party has found a workable solution to determine who is American and who is Anti-American. Those caring individuals who take the time and effort to identify themselves as honorable by pinning an American Flag Lapel Pin onto their bosom are 'True Americans' and everybody else is the scum of the earth"

Sigh! If only it were that simple. Next thing you know, those dad-gum liberals would be wearing a flag pin, all righty -- but wearing it upside down, like the commie rats they are!

We don't need any way to detect Anti-Americans. We, the True Americans, ALREADY KNOW WHO THEY ARE.

Posted by: laboo | October 22, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Michelle Bachmann on God's call for her to run for Congress:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0rUBomKvY0

Will she be giving a talk in the near future about God's call for her to be dumped from Congress?

Posted by: multiplepov | October 22, 2008 5:26 AM | Report abuse

These nutjobs in the Republican party are showing the extent of their hypocrisy at a time when it's strongly being rejected by the public. It couldn't happen at a better time....

Posted by: RickJ | October 22, 2008 3:18 AM | Report abuse

How close is Bachmann to the her Tailgunner idol? Check out this mashup of Ms. "anti-America" and the real Joe McCarthy she seeks to emulate http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOzv6KmKJEw

Posted by: rabjack | October 22, 2008 2:56 AM | Report abuse

OK HERE WE GO! The game everyone can play.

PREDICT THE NEXT REPUBLICAN MELT DOWN.

Illegal immigrant domestic labor?
Who's got the same-sex lover?
Polygamist.
Pedophile.
Drug addiction.
Muslim.

Bonus points for getting the day that the story breaks.

Posted by: DonJasper | October 22, 2008 1:48 AM | Report abuse

THOUGHT POLICE

Hmm, its difficult to figure out who's Anti-American and who's Pro-American without enlisting the "Thought Police" to go inside of people's heads and find out what they are thinking!

LAPEL PINS ARE THE ANSWER

Fortunately, the republican party has found a workable solution to determine who is Anti-American and who is Pro-American!

ANSWER: American Flag Lapel Pins

Those caring individuals who take the time and effort to identify themselves as honorable by pinning an American Flag Lapel Pin onto their bosom are "True Americans" and everybody else is the scum of the earth and terrorists plotting the overthrow of the USA.

The solution is simple. Why do liberals make things so complicated?

GUANTANAMO BAY AND TORTURE

Wonderful! Now that the republican party has identified the terrorists as everybody in the USA who is not currently wearing an American Flag Lapel Pin, all they have to do is figure out what to **do** with the UnAmericans.

Why do the liberals make things so difficult? The answer is simple...

Ship them off to Guantanamo Bay, deny them their Constitutional Rights and torture them until they confess of course.

Posted by: dmmgba | October 22, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

sick and tired of this gang of GOP who loves to portray rest of us as socialist, communists, unamerican, anti-american, arab, muslim etc. They play race card in red states. Let me tell the red state ppl, we the big city folks, do not need social security as much as you guys do and we sure do pay more tax than you guys, you can get a pretty cute rebate.

Posted by: AdamHabibullah | October 22, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Bachmann has adopted the same tactics used by Neo-Nazis, blaming Blacks, minorities, and Jews for the current economic crisis. She's also accusing liberals of essentially being anti-American socialists who need to be investigated and purged.

That she feels so free to engage in this behavior says much about the anti-Semitic, anti-minority and anti-democratic people in her Congressional District that continue to support her. I guess they must be the "pro-America" part of the country Palin keeps talking about. Shame on you.

Posted by: rightway1 | October 22, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Can we get Reps Doug Lamborn (R-CO 5th) and Bill Sali (R-ID 1st) to go on Hardball with Chris Matthews? (they're Bachman's soulmates, in both political positions and intelligence)

Please Please Please?

Posted by: malis | October 21, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

The GOD Party "logic":

1. Liberalism is anti-America,
2. If you are a Liberal,
3. You are anti-America.

Clean, precise, short, and Godly powerful logic!

The beautiful blonde (albeit, with a bit adam's apple) trashy Jewish controlled, Liberal NY Times' Best Seller Anne Coulter's version:

1. Liberalism is a mental disease,
2. If you are a Liberal,
3. You have a mental disease.

I love these powerful logic of these compassionate, God fearing, edukated, Christianly folks from the GOD Party...

Posted by: HerLao | October 21, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

.


.

You can tell who the paid Obama staffers are on here - they come on - they work for a shift with multiple postings and then they go home.


There is nothing in it for them except a paycheck.


They really do not believe what they say - it is a joke. I just wish the people giving money over the internet realized that their money was going to HARASS PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET WHO ARE EXERCISING THEIR FREEDOM OF SPEECH.


I have never seen a more UNAMERICAN campaign as Obama's has been this year.


Hostility toward Freedom of Speech is the FIRST CHARGE OF UNAMERICAN ACTIVITIES ON THE PART OF THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN.


Let's continue.


Hostility toward anyone who disagrees with them, False charges of RACISM, twisting Bill Clinton's words around, practically calling Geraldine Ferraro a racist for innocent and true remarks, intimidation of superdelegates with threats of "riots in the streets"

PREVENTING ELECTIONS IN MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA.


RIGGING THE DEMOCRATIC DELEGATE SELECTION PROCESS TO SELECT MORE MINORIITES.


RIGGING THE ORDER OF THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARIES TO ENSURE THAT THE BLACKS IN SOUTH CAROLINA AND THE HISPANICS IN NEVADA HAVE UNDUE INFLUENCE IN THE MEDIA.

GENERAL HOSTILITY TOWARD THE US CONSTITUTION.


THE CHARGE IS: OBAMA AND DAVID AXELROD ARE RUNNING THE MOST UN-AMERICAN CAMPAIGN IN AMERICAN HISTORY.


CHARGE MADE.


THEY ARE GUILTY AS CHARGED.

.


.

Posted by: 37thandOSt | October 21, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse


NOW if the angry liberals do not agree with you, that proves you are engaging in hate speech.

Last winter the Hillary people tried to call everyone sexist however that didn't really work against all the false charges of racism.


Obama has his version of the First Amendment - you are a racist unless you support Obama -

Posted by: 37thandOSt | October 21, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

We should all thank Chris Matthews for helping America see how much of a Nut job this woman really is. She makes Katherine Harris look like a Liberal.

Posted by: sjxylib | October 21, 2008 12:26 PM
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Funny, when Michelle Bachman was elected two years ago, I recall a blog entry comparing her to Katherine Harris.....

Posted by: Digital_Voter | October 21, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Truth be told, Senator Obama and Senator McCain are both decent, honest, smart public servants. Either would be a vast improvement over the current administration.
Decent, honest, smart people can disagree over which one is the superior pick. This is America, everybody deserves a voice.
That doesn't insure people are going to like what you say. If people think less of you and your party and your candidate when you make unsubstantiated charge after unsubstantiated charge, it isn't some vast conspiracy at work, it's human nature, the boy who cried wolf is an apt analogy.

Posted by: dijetlo | October 21, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Republican Sen. Margaret Chase Smith's speech called "Declaration of Conscience" should be required reading for all school children. If we could all read it before someone convinces us to become fear-infested trolls, we wouldn't see what we see today.
http://www.mcslibrary.org/program/library/declaration.htm

Posted by: essbird | October 21, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

I wrote a song called "(Didn't Know I Was) Unamerican" 4 years ago. CrazySad to think it still applies. http://www.sharedvoice.org/unamerican/

Posted by: ianrhett | October 21, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Well, I just sent my $ from Maine to Tinklenberg. It's only just beginning to sink into me what a powerful medium the Internet is. I was able to learn about this important local issue and take action. A blow for democracy, and an equalizer for the little people against large corporate donations.

Posted by: essbird | October 21, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

**If you think about it very very carefully, you'll see that to say that "all men are created equal" is something quite apart from saying all men should share in equality.**
If all men are created equal, then all men share that equality. Perhaps it's some sort of secret code in your head, I just go by the words on the paper...

** And, despite what your hack history teachers have taught you,**
That's not very nice.

** to say the French Revolution and its Jacobite reign of Terror is merely an extension of America's own striving for independence from England is the height of absurdity**
This is hardly the place for this argument but I think almost every historian would tell you you're wrong. Democracy was on the march, Lafayette led a number of french volunteers who were instrumental in the victory of the fledgling US over the Brits. These same men were equally instrumental in the French revolution a decade later. The Jacobyn period came after their democratic revolution failed, largely because circumstances in feudal France were not nearly as conducive to rapid Democratization as the American frontier. The other problem was the French revolution was saddled with a bunch of true believers and few pragmatists. We were blessed with the opposite composition.

**and any educated person will agree.**
Never one of those around when you need him.

** The French Revolution and American Declaration of and War for Independence are founded upon quite different assumptions about human nature.**
It was the age of Enlightenment, a key component of which was the democratization of the Monarchies, the re-valuation of the individual versus the state. This ages rallying cry was not
"no taxation without representation", it was "no man is above the law"...but again, what do I know for apparently I'm uneducated.
That said, I would still encourage you to work on your critical thinking skills and stop BS'ing so much.
Just one mans opinion, feel free to ignore it.

Posted by: dijetlo | October 21, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Here's the link to Tinklenberg's website:

http://www.tinklenberg08.com/

Posted by: multiplepov | October 21, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

That GUY SEAN ANNITY HUM...!!!

Posted by: fu_buki | October 21, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

GIBBERISH!

Posted by: fu_buki | October 21, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Bla Bla Bla Talking charabia!!!

Posted by: fu_buki | October 21, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

BLA BLA BLA!!!

Posted by: fu_buki | October 21, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

That MICHELE BACHMANN talk about they have people which don't LOVE AMERICA,I will like to know if
SHE herself LOVE every person SHE MEET in HER ENTIRE LIFE.THE WAY SHE'S TALKING ABOUT BARACK OBAMA THAT PROVE SHE DOESN'T LIKE HIM.

OBAMA BIDEN 08...!!!

NETHERLANDS ANTILLES

Posted by: fu_buki | October 21, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Thrasybulos:

You seriously proffer a World Net Daily article as *fact*?

Why don't you check out this site and get back to us: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/he_lied_about_bill_ayers.html


Posted by: multiplepov | October 21, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

There is never enough information for people like her.. Although Obama's explained their relationship, she maintains that he has 'not come clean' about it. I want her to come clean on what exactly she and what seems like every other Republican wants explained. They've been doing this circular tactic this entire election season and frankly it's dishonest and irritating.. First, they insinuate something damaging about his character and keep this up until it's actually hurtful - usually something saying he's un-american or suspected of treason; Then, when he takes the bait, they constantly harangue him over his answer's completeness or forthrightness. There's just one catch - it's a lie, you can't answer it. Ever. Because what they have insinuated is in reality false. The news picks it up and eventually everyone's demanding an answer to a lie.
This is the most shameful campaigning I've witnessed, ever more shameful that people like her get to continue spreading filth, this isn't even mud being slung anymore.
At least one finally met their end.

Posted by: Crucialitis | October 21, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

"Obama is busy setting up his victory party and cabinet appointments. you may recall he already has a Presidential seal."

King-of-Zouk

________________________________________

Glad to see that you have finally accepted that Obama is going to be the next President of the United States, elected so by a majority of his fellow Americans.

Of course, you might tell me that I am mis-reading you, quoting you out of context. But KOZ, given that you spend most of your sad trollish life doing precisely the same thing to other WaPo posters merely because they have the gaul to disagree with you, surely it is an acceptable tactic? Or is it only ok when you do it to others?

Elect Obama President in 2008 and you will truly see God Bless America.

Posted by: anthonyrimell | October 21, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

trashybully whimpered:

Like I said, wpost4112, I'd like to help you... but you just can't fix stupid.

-----------------

You've made that abundantly clear, poor thing.

Posted by: wpost4112 | October 21, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

I just donated to Elwyn Tinklenberg. Thank you Michelle Bachmann for your pinhead thinking and opinion. If you want to donate, and I urge to you do do so, 10, 20 or whatever you can, by going to this website.

http://www.tinklenberg08.com/

Now check out this. Just like Palin palling around with Todd palling around with AIP:

Michele Bachmann’s call for investigations of Congress raises questions about her ties to Petters associate

http://minnesotaindependent.com/14009/michele-bachmann’s-call-for-investigations-of-congress-raises-questions-about-her-ties-to-petters-associate

Posted by: LioNEXT | October 21, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

THE WORLD LOVE BARACK OBAMA.

OBAMA BIDEN 08...!


NETHERLANDS ANTILLES

Posted by: fu_buki | October 21, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

slapfour-
shhhh! - we must get them to spread the word around.... ;)

Posted by: sobugged1 | October 21, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Why do the Republicans insist that Liberal and Anti-American are synonymous? I watched the Michelle Bachmann Hardball video and I was appalled. How can she call for McCarthyism to rear its ugly head in the American government again? How dare she imply that Democracy is somehow anti-American? I do NOT live in anti-America. I live in America and I love America, but I loathe the message Ms. Bachmann expounded equating liberals with people who hate America. That is unconscionable.

This campaign is only showing that Democrats believe in Americans being free - free to criticize the way America is run without being the subject of a McCarthy witch hunt. Google search makes McCarthyism synonymous with Salem Witch Trials. It won't surprise me if the list of related searches soon includes 'Michelle Bachmann' right next to Salem Witch Trials as a synonym. I am proud to be a Minnesotan, the best dang state in the USA, but you can take Bachmann, take her far, far away. She is anti-Minnesota nice.

Posted by: jennypulczinski | October 21, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

>But he has involved himself with a fair number of professed anti-Americans.

So protesting the vietnam war is anti-american? He set off a pipe bomb in protest - not to harm anyone.

Is the University of Chicago anit-american for hiring ayers?

Are those students anit-american for attending his classes?

Are those rebulicans who put Ayers on the charity board anit-american? (They support McCain by the way)

McCain know Ayers is a non-issue. He would have brough this up month and months ago if he was concerned.

McCain own campaign said he has to change the subject. They admitted it. Case closed.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 21, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Have you heard of the Alaska Independence Party? Talk about showing at best, poor judgment, and at worst anti-American sympathies. This guy wants to break up the union.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BMlt-WBKZs

Posted by: slapfour | October 21, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA BIDEN 08...!!!@


NETHERLANDS ANTILLES

Posted by: fu_buki | October 21, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

KMichaels, the irony of your comment is that conservative Republican Senators are the direct descendants of the Southern Democrats of LBJ's time. LBJ was a flawed man but he did a lot for people of color. For sure he's done more for us than you have, I promise you that.

Posted by: Route1 | October 21, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Dano111: regarding your comment
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For god sake even Bush is adopting all of Obama's ideas.
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Yes McCain is also stealing Obamas ideas about economics and Bush has become a socialist ,Nationalizing the banks.

Posted by: akpat | October 21, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

>>Our country has been almost over run by extreme right wing religious whackos, and many have found their way into our government where they are Hell bent on destroying what is left of our Constitution.

Didnt you know america can only be run by old white irish catholics or prodestants?

Posted by: Dano111 | October 21, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

I don't know who is dumber - Palin or Bachmann.

I am ordering each a brown shirt for Christmas.

:-)

Posted by: toritto | October 21, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

wpost4112

Like I said, wpost4112, I'd like to help you... but you just can't fix stupid.

The fact is that Bachmann was badgered into saying what she said, and what she said may not be far off the mark.

Not so much that Barack Obama is anti-American per se. Only he can know that in his heart of hearts. But he has involved himself with a fair number of professed anti-Americans.

He blurbed Bill Ayers book for crying out loud!

And he denied even knowing the guy on a personal basis.

This shows two things that the media has failed to present:

1) Obama lied.

2) He showed, at best, poor judgement, and at worst anti-American sympathies. "A white man's greed runs a world in need" (B. Obama, DMF).

Remember: The Big "O" may not have even written his own book. Jack Cashill, a Professor of American Studies (no field for Right-wing extremists) at Purdue Univ has shown fairly conclusively that William Ayers wrote Obama's first book.

Check it out:

(http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=77815)

Posted by: Thrasybulos | October 21, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

>>Our country has been almost over run by extreme right wing religious whackos, and many have found their way into our government where they are Hell bent on destroying what is left of our Constitution.<<

Its true. The more we see and hear radical conservatism it is becoming clear that it has gone beyond extreme ideology into a sick mental illness.

Look at what we've heard from this nonsese - blantent racism, fear of relious diversity, black and white view of what experience is, socialism, communism, pro-amercian parts of the country, McCartyism, guit by association, etc.

Thats the ideology you want to run the country? That the morals you value?

You had your 8 years. You did sh*t with it and ran our country and reputation in the ground. Were tan embarrassing laughing stock of the world.

Enough of the dumb, uncultured, radical, backward thinking idiots running our nation. For god sake even Bush is adopting all of Obama's ideas.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 21, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

So if hanging out with Ayers makes Obama a terrorist, what does hanging out with Larry Craig and Mark Foley make McCain? They served in the same organization together and attended fundraisers for each other. I think the public should demand to know the true nature of their relationship. If true for Obama then true for McCain under your logic.

Posted by: RaginModerate | October 21, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

>>Our country has been almost over run by extreme right wing religious whackos, and many have found their way into our government where they are Hell bent on destroying what is left of our Constitution.<<

Its true. The more we see and hear radical conservatism it is becoming clear that it has gone beyond extreme ideology into a sick mental illness.

Look at what we've heard from this nonsese - blantent racism, fear of relious diversity, black and white view of what experience is, socialism, communism, pro-amercian parts of the country, McCartyism, guit by association, etc.

Thats the ideology you want to run the country? That the morals you value?

You had your 8 years. You did sh*t with it and ran our country and reputation in the ground. Were tan embarrassing laughing stock of the world.

Enough of the dumb, uncultured, radical, backward thinking idiots running our nation. For god sake even Bush is adopting all of Obama's ideas.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 21, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

sobugged1


What an excellent example of sarcasm.

Posted by: slapfour | October 21, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Obviously if a majority of the populace votes Obama in it will be because they are un-American - clearly the minority who has God on their side should rule. And Muslims cant run for the presidency, it's unconstitutional! We all know that liberals, democrats, former army generals and secretaries of state hate America. Therefore all these people should be removed from this country. In fact, the Democratic party should be banned because it hates America. We should only have one party.
I urge all God loving Americans to copy and paste this post and send it to as many people as possible before it's too late!

Posted by: sobugged1 | October 21, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

I thought the article was about a republican representative making a dumb comment about investigating congress for being un american what ever that is.
Somewhere along the lines we have been educated in Latin, and sex. All we now need is corruption.

Posted by: akpat | October 21, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Without people like the vile Mrs Bachman we would not have had the General Powell endorsement.

Her characterization of the opponent's point of view as un-American, in the same manner as Nixon, Quayle and monsters of the past have done, put the spotlight on the plan of attack.

Palin and McCain's characterization of Northern Virginia as Un-American because they dont support the conservative's point of view is identical to the Bachman train of attack.

I hear that Palin issued an 'I take it back, it was a gaffe".

No Governor Palin, it was not a gaffe. A gaffe is McCain saying
"MY FELLOW PRISONERS", a mistake that sticks with you to the retirement home.
Calling Northern Virginia un-American is not a gaffe. It is merely your way to stir up every soul in Northern Virginia to vote for Obama. Sure, take it back. Stop saying Obama pals around with terrorists too, unless you want to name two terrorists.
And what does PAL around mean? Does that mean Obama would actually have to have him over for an arugula salad?
From the facts, you remember those, huh Gov? FROM THE FACTS, REPUBLICANS on the Annenberg side of the world, have more contact with Ayers than Obama ever did in his brief attendance at meetings.

Posted by: ottothewise | October 21, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Without people like the vile Mrs Bachman we would not have had the General Powell endorsement.

Her characterization of the opponent's point of view as un-American, in the same manner as Nixon, Quayle and monsters of the past have done, put the spotlight on the plan of attack.

Palin and McCain's characterization of Northern Virginia as Un-American because they dont support the conservative's point of view is identical to the Bachman train of attack.

I hear that Palin issued an 'I take it back, it was a gaffe".

No Governor Palin, it was not a gaffe. A gaffe is
MY FELLOW PRISONERS, a mistake that sticks with you to the retirement home.
Calling Northern Virginia un-American is not a gaffe. It is merely your way to stir up every soul in Northern Virginia to vote for Obama. Sure, take it back. Stop saying Obama pals around with terrorists too, unless you want to name two terrorists.
And what does PAL around mean? Does that mean Obama would actually have to have him over for a rugula salad?
From the facts, you remember those, huh Gov? FROM THE FACTS, REPUBLICANS on the Annenberg side of the world, have more contact with Ayers than Obama ever did in his brief attendance at meetings.

Posted by: ottothewise | October 21, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it's time we take a good, hard look at Ms. Bachmann and ask if Ms. Buchmann's views are pro-American, or anti-American.

Afterall, the Republican party is responsible for lying to the public about Iraq, disclosing the identities of covert CIA operatives, firing US attorney's for partisan purposes, torturing, detaining individuals for indefinate lengths of time without filing charges, illegally wiretapping Americans, touting de-regulation for 20+ years, gutting social services, giving tax breaks to the already exorbitantly wealthy, the ENRON fiasco, the botched hurricane Katrina response, shooting an old man in the face and then making them apologize for it, attempting to seduce underage boys, soliciting for prositution in an airport bathroom, taking bribes from Jack Abramoff, etc., etc. God there's so much it all just blurs together to form one giant cluster#%*^, which is today's GOP as we know it.

Perhaps she's the one that belongs in Guantanimo.

Posted by: Terrorfied | October 21, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Trashybull scribbled:

wpost4112,

You see, wpost4112, this just shows how stupid you and your ilk are. What you say is called the "post hoc fallacy". Remember that, from when you studied your Latin? Oh, you're no doubt too uneducated to know this. Let me explain:

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LOL. Explain all you want...my argument had nothing to do with any hoc whatsoever.

Ipso facto: a certain effect is a direct consequence of the action in question.

You run a negative campaign, you get negative press.

Ipso facto.

Ah, the waning of the conservative mind! Dipso facto.

Posted by: wpost4112 | October 21, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0rUBomKvY0

Says Michele Bachmann:

1) Women should be submissive to their husbands.
2) God told her to run for Congress

Don't believe me?
Watch the video of her saying it (linked above).

And then share it with everyone you know!

Posted by: chips_gf | October 21, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

beaversrus,

You see, beaversrus, your response only shows that you're a nitwit. You don't even know when you're being taught something as benign as the nuance of language translation. I'm not sure you should be allowed to vote. You may be too stupid. Are you even old enough? I suspect not. Good luck when you grow up.

Posted by: Thrasybulos | October 21, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

>"If you add all the people in America and around the world who support libralism and Barack Obama the number dwarf american conservatism by a stagering amount. Thats a fact. Thats why we have been more isolated over the last 8 years. By a 4-1 ratio 70 different nations around the world prefer Obama over McCain."

Yeah I guess we should succumb to the opinion of the world. This is EXACTLY what I mean by losing the battle for independence. We should just call July 4th Conforming Day it would make more sense in >the current political climate.

Hey knucklehead - maybe it that "American Superiority" nonsense that you and Bush share that lead to our international low approval ratings, a war based on lies and oh why people who hate us flew planes into our buildings killing 3000 people.

Wake up.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 21, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

grant_x,

I looked at your youtube links on purported McCain lies. I'll respond to the first few:

K-12 Ed. You, Sir, don't know how education is funded, nor do you understand how our schools are becoming laboratories for social policy experimentation. Under that bill, kindergartners were taught about mast-rbation (see the bill on level 1 topics 1 and 2).

Iran is a small country, compared with the Soviet Union, and therefore doesn't pose a threat of the same degree. Well, that vapid statement shows an appalling ignorance of our current foreign policy challenges. The USSR was a "rational actor" in a way that Iran's theocracy is not. One can argue that Iran posses a more direct threat.

I se no point in going on. You get the point. What it looks like to me is that you refuse to acknowledge the truth. You only examine what you already agree with, which seems to me to be typical of Big "O" supporters.

Posted by: Thrasybulos | October 21, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Thrasybulos:

Thanks for admitting you are wrong. Thats all I wanted.

I'll end with one thing for you to think about why you stew in self-misery:

Scoreboard!

Posted by: beaversrus | October 21, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

This is worth repeating since it puts into words so perfectly the Democrat plan and philosophy on how they deal with blacks. And little has changed, other than the fact that Democrat leaders are not so truthful about what they actually think about blacks.

LBJ, for the MTV Obamabot crowd was a DEMOCRAT president.

LBJ: "These Negroes, they're getting pretty uppity these days and that's a problem for us since they've got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we've got to do something about this, we've got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference. For if we don't move at all, then their allies will line up against us and there'll be no way of stopping them, we'll lose the filibuster and there'll be no way of putting a brake on all sorts of wild legislation. It'll be Reconstruction all over again."
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Oh yes, another Con post with no historical context whatsoever. LBJ's racism during his Senate Majority leader days is well known to any American history buff. But you conveniently leave out that he reversed himself 180 degrees by signing the most effective civil rights legislation ever in 1965. And he did so with courage because, as he accurately predicted, this would give the South to the Republicans for a generation.

Posted by: CynthiaD1 | October 21, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Our country has been almost over run by extreme right wing religious whackos, and many have found their way into our government where they are Hell bent on destroying what is left of our Constitution.

Michelle Bachmann is only but one example of the sheer insanity these people espouse. Sarah Palin is another. Jeff Fredericks, another.

If they had their way, our country would not be 'free' but would be just as religiously controlled as Iran. Anyone who wasn't 'of their ilk', moderate Christian, Muslim, Jewish, etc., would find themselves in a whole heap of trouble.

Our country was NOT founded on religious theocracy, but if we continue to vote for the far right lunatics, you may as well kiss your freedom GOODBYE.

They will stop at nothing to force their views on everyone else, even using scare tactics, intimidation and election rigging. Whatever it takes, they'll give it a shot.

Vote them OUT, keep them OUT. They are the real enemy.

Vote Bachmann OUT.
Vote FOR Obama/Biden.

Do it for our country.

Posted by: smsbks | October 21, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

dijetlo,

If you think about it very very carefully, you'll see that to say that "all men are created equal" is something quite apart from saying all men should share in equality. And, despite what your hack history teachers have taught you, to say the French Revolution and its Jacobite reign of Terror is merely an extension of America's own striving for independence from England is the height of absurdity, and any educated person will agree. The French Revolution and American Declaration of and War for Independence are founded upon quite different assumptions about human nature.

And beaversrus,

If you can read Latin (or any language for that matter), you'll agree that when translating from one language to another, it is customary to translate into a sensible idiom for that language into which one is translating (here Latin to English). So..., I'll let the "laughing" readers decide which translation makes more sense in English. Your pedestrian literal one , or the one I provided (see below).

"post hoc ergo propter hoc" (because of this, therefore this follows) is a logical fallacy that assumes that because something occurs, what follows is necessarily because of that thing occurred.
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You didn't even translate this correctly jacka$$. It's 'after this therefore because of this'. Way to show your true brilliance though - we're all laughing at you.

Posted by: Thrasybulos | October 21, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

According to the polls, there could be a very large number of un-American citizens voting in this election, maybe even and overwhelming majority. As usual, the republicans will do everything they can to "fix" the problem.

Posted by: watchingduck | October 21, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

slapfour,

Nice find.

Posted by: Grant_x | October 21, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse


"Freedom is the right to share, share fully and equally, in American society--to vote, to hold a job, to enter a public place, to go to school. It is the right to be treated in every part of our national life as a person equal in dignity and promise to all others.

But freedom is not enough. You do not wipe away the scars of centuries by saying: Now you are free to go where you want, and do as you desire, and choose the leaders you please.

You do not take a person who, for years, has been hobbled by chains and liberate him, bring him up to the starting line of a race and then say, "you are free to compete with all the others," and still justly believe that you have been completely fair.

Thus it is not enough just to open the gates of opportunity. All our citizens must have the ability to walk through those gates.

This is the next and the more profound stage of the battle for civil rights. We seek not just freedom but opportunity. We seek not just legal equity but human ability, not just equality as a right and a theory but equality as a fact and equality as a result."
-LBJ During his 1965 commencement address at Howard University

Posted by: slapfour | October 21, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Speaktruth,

Your post reminds me of an old saying.

"Those who would give up their rights for the illusion of security deserve neither." ~ Ben Franklin

Posted by: Grant_x | October 21, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Ms. Bachman is a true reflection of what the Republican party has become. Republicans are already quite willing to read our mail, listen to our phone calls, find out what books we check out from the library, and claim it's all to "make us safe."

Now Ms. Bachman thinks that there ought to be "investigations" to root out "anti-american" thoughts. Have we really come to the point where an elected official is advocating for the "thought police?"

Just last week, Newt Gingrich called for a "reexamination of free speech, saying a 'different set of rules to prevent terrorism' is necessary."

Where does it end? We already know that Karl Rove sought to place Republican zealots in US attorney positions to conduct political witch hunts against democrats. Where does this willingness to subvert out legal protections for political gain ultimately lead?

Republicans have become so convinced that they are "right," that they have convinced themselves that "their" ends justify "their" means. They believe themselves justified in making false accusations, such as Rove's political prosecutions, or McCain/Palin claims that Obama is a "terrorist" or a "socialist" or a "muslim" or an "arab" etc. Anything to get what they want.

Doesn't the Republican way of doing things ultimately lead to the gradual erosion of all individual rights, "for our own good?"

When our civil rights are mentioned, Republicans love to argue that "if you're not doing anything wrong, then you don't have anything to hide." Problem is that their definition of "wrong" keeps shifting. Will it ultimately be "wrong" for an American to disagree with the Republican party?

Apparently Ms. Bachman already thinks so.

Posted by: Speaktruth | October 21, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

**Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité (Liberty, Equality, Fraternity) were the ideals of the French Revolution, not the foundation of the American Republic**

If you were to actually read the Declaration of Independence, you would find these words.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created EQUAL, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, LIBERTY and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men,"

Your mistake is seeing the American revolution as a separate movement from the French Revolution. If you were really a student of history, you'd realize the French revolution was a continuation of the American effort.

Posted by: dijetlo | October 21, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Thrasybulos posted:
You see, wpost4112, this just shows how stupid you and your ilk are. What you say is called the "post hoc fallacy". Remember that, from when you studied your Latin? Oh, you're no doubt too uneducated to know this. Let me explain:

"post hoc ergo propter hoc" (because of this, therefore this follows) is a logical fallacy that assumes that because something occurs, what follows is necessarily because of that thing occurred.
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You didn't even translate this correctly jacka$$. It's 'after this therefore because of this'. Way to show your true brilliance though - we're all laughing at you.

Posted by: beaversrus | October 21, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

oldgeek,

I respect what you are saying, but I would say the act of investigating people to see if they have "anti-American" views would be decidedly anti-American, not anti-Democrat or even anti-Republican.

Posted by: Grant_x | October 21, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

America is defined by the diversity of her people and their ideas. Michele Bachmann is an embarrassment for American people and for women.I hope the people in her district stop supporting her.

Posted by: mina1usa | October 21, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

king_of_zouk:
"I expect that the Libs will hold themselves to the Wright/Ayers/Rezco/Mahoney/Dodd/Frank/Wrangle/Jefferson/ACORN standard."

Regardibg Obama supporters, the negative aspect of the above mentioned is likely overlooked by them due to Farrahkan noting Obama as the Messiah.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 21, 2008 5:46 PM

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I expect that the neo-cons will hold themselves to the 9,11 kill Americans to profit standard. Just go look at Bush's face on You Tube when the press asked why do you refuse to testify without Dick Cheney. Talk about a deer caught in the headlights. The same question asked 3 times and he still wouldn't answer it.

Posted by: HemiHead66 | October 21, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0rUBomKvY0

Says Michele Bachmann:

1) Women should be submissive to their husbands.
2) God told her to run for Congress

Don't believe me?
Watch the video of her saying it (linked above).

Posted by: chips_gf | October 21, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

The lesson to be learned.

Differences of opinion on polices or approach are never anti- American, in fact it is the expression of such that is America at its best.

Say they are different then the Republican views or contrary to conservative values, but NOT anti - American.

Governor Palin would be wise to understand this as well.

I think the war is a huge mistake but would never say those promoting that are anti american. Reckless is what actually comes to mind.

The problem with the Congresswomen and Sarah Palin is they not only don't realize what they are saying, they actually believe that those who do not hold the same values as them are not real americans. Hopefully the voters will explain matters to them.

Posted by: oldgeek143 | October 21, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

wpost4112,

You see, wpost4112, this just shows how stupid you and your ilk are. What you say is called the "post hoc fallacy". Remember that, from when you studied your Latin? Oh, you're no doubt too uneducated to know this. Let me explain:

"post hoc ergo propter hoc" (because of this, therefore this follows) is a logical fallacy that assumes that because something occurs, what follows is necessarily because of that thing occurred.


To say that Obama's message is positive is the reason why he gets positive coverage, is to beg the question (you probably don't know what I mean by that either, but you can look it up). It's circular reasoning.

The same holds true for McCain in the reverse.

McCain's problem, at least as far as media bias and negativity go is that the media will not report on Obama's negatives. When McCain exposes them, he's crucified, and he's called desperate. He's in a tough spot. You see how it works? Probably not -- but some objective reader will, and that's progress. By the way, you should ask for your money back from your alma mater (the university you paid to educate you). You didn't get your money's worth.

Posted by: Thrasybulos | October 21, 2008 5:55 PM
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Dear Thrasybulos (tyrant of Miletus or Syracuse, take your pick), for WP4112 to have committed the fallacy of post hoc ergo propter hoc, he would have had to have based his conclusion *solely* on temporal sequence. Where is your evidence that he did this?

And your assumption that the previous poster was "too uneducated to know this" commits multiple fallacies, at least, argumentum ad hominem, a dicto simpliciter ad dictum secundum quid, as well as that one you previously mentioned, petitio principii, circulus in probando.

Cheers

Posted by: multiplepov | October 21, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Michael,

First of all, I didn't inject race into the debate. Secondly, if you are talking about America, I don't disagree with your most basic point that democrats hold a part in the history of racism in America. When it comes to modern racism in America, I and history obviously disagree with you.

What you seem to overlook is that the KKK has nothing to do with the modern democratic party. In fact, as GrantX mentions, the democrats that you are talking about left the party in 1948, becoming part of the republican party in 1964. (Strom Thurmond and the States' Rights Democratic Party, i.e. dixiecrats)

The 1957 Civil rights bill provided guarantees for African-American voting rights in the South paving the way for the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Hardly insignificant.

Posted by: slapfour | October 21, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Thrasybulos,

I would think, when disputing logical fallacies with someone, it's usually advisable not to engage in any yourself.

Referring to "the media" as being biased towards one candidate or another is a generalization and variant upon the Argumentum ad Hominem argument ( attacking the person, or institution in this case, rather than the argument ) --- which is also considered a logical error.

A variant of this, ( Argumentum ad Personam ) is a character assassination or, simply put, name-calling; Like questioning someone's intelligence, which you repeatedly do.

Posted by: wolfi101 | October 21, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Thrasybulos,

Are you serious with your 64 year-old reference regarding a Senator who has absolutely no bearing on American politics anymore?

I'm trying to eat lunch and respond to you here and I don't want to shoot Dr. Pepper out my nose from laughter.

Posted by: Grant_x | October 21, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Obama has already won.

The futility of Republican efforts to sabotage American voter rights, smear Democracy and re-write the Constitution and American history is entertaining.

Two words for the greedy, selfish, immoderate and immoral Republican Party:

Death throws.

Posted by: zer0lin | October 21, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Behold, the best Daily Show episode ever!


Jon Stewart eviscerates the GOP's "real" America attacks, demolishing both Nancy Pfotenhauer ("real" Virginia) and Michele Bachmann (Bachmann Turncoat Overdrive) and offering audio of Sarah Palin's infamous "pro-America" areas of the country comment.
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http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=188635&title=pfriend-or-pfoe
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 21, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

grant_x,

"All the racists that used to be in the Democratic party, 51 years ago as KMichaels points out, are now with the Republicans."

What then would you call President of the United States Senate pro tempore, the venerable Robert Byrd?

Whose vile words are worth quoting:

"I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds."

—Robert C. Byrd, in a letter to Sen. Theodore Bilbo (D-MS), 1944

You would-be socialists make me ill. Either you'll say anything to gain power. Or, if you're not smart enough to rise to power, you'll believe anything nicely packaged for your consumption.

Posted by: Thrasybulos | October 21, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

America is defined by the diversity of her people and their ideas. Michele Bachmann is an embarrassment for American people and for women.I hope the people in her district stop supporting her.

Posted by: mina1usa | October 21, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

grant_x,

"All the racists that used to be in the Democratic party, 51 years ago as KMichaels points out, are now with the Republicans."

What then would you call President of the United States Senate pro tempore, the venerable Robert Byrd?

Whose vile words are worth quoting:

"I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds."

—Robert C. Byrd, in a letter to Sen. Theodore Bilbo (D-MS), 1944

You would-be socialists make me ill. Either you'll say anything to gain power. Or, if you're not smart enough to rise to power, you'll believe anything nicely packaged for your consumption.

Posted by: Thrasybulos | October 21, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

KMichaels,

Here's a montage of McCain's lies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH0xzsogzAk

Here's a lie about Obama's financial plans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuGyXvciaZU

Here's a lie about McCain's stance on the GI bill (if you can stand listening to the young turk...I hardly can...but he's right.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR3FjHIbe_s

I can provide more, but all you have to do is go to youtube, type in "mccain's lies" and you'll find an extensive list of them.

And, as far as your K-12 sex education bill goes, you show your ignorance on how funds are appropriated to the K-12 school system for ANYTHING! The way it works is that you have to write bills for K-12 education system for all students in the K-12 system. If you want to write a bill to increase the amount of Algebra classes in High School, you have to write it for the K-12 system...even though I am pretty sure most Kindergarteners won't be taking Algebra.

McCain, and your, representation of this bill leaves out this important fact. That is why it is a lie. Your willful ignorance proves why it is harder to dispel a lie than the truth...and why Obama has to spend more money on his ad campaign.

Posted by: Grant_x | October 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

KMichaels,

Here's a montage of McCain's lies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH0xzsogzAk

Here's a lie about Obama's financial plans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuGyXvciaZU

Here's a lie about McCain's stance on the GI bill (if you can stand listening to the yount turk...I hardly can...but he's right.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR3FjHIbe_s

I can provide more, but all you have to do is go to youtube, type in "mccain's lies" and you'll find an extensive list of them.

And, as far as your K-12 sex education bill goes, you show your ignorance on how funds are appropriated to the K-12 school system for ANYTHING! The way it works is that you have to write bills for K-12 education system for all students in the K-12 system. If you want to write a bill to increase the amount of Algebra classes in High School, you have to write it for the K-12 system...even though I am pretty sure most Kindergarteners won't be taking Algebra.

McCain, and your, representation of this bill leaves out this important fact. That is why it is a lie. Your willful ignorance proves why it is harder to dispel a lie than the truth...and why Obama has to spend more money on his ad campaign.

Posted by: Grant_x | October 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Same old angry posts by unpersuadable people....but still fun to read. She might be cuter that Palin, about as dumb as Palin too.

Posted by: beaversrus | October 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

i want obama to win and i hope the dems get full congress so for the next 4 years they and all the crap heads will not be able to shift the blame like they have for 8years it will be a diaster like nothing before it will be history made they will be printing dollars and before six months the dollar wont be worth a penny

Posted by: getsix1 | October 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

How do the Republicans recover from the widespread perception that they are few fries short of a happy meal? They are actually trying to make the argument that Obama is a communist...that's ridiculous. It's even crazier than the Ayres thing. At what point do they realize that the rest of the country is starting to view the GOP as a joke.
Economy in shamble, Republican in the Whitehouse, topic of the day in the Republican echo chamber? Obama has been promoted. Socialist, as it turns out, didn't scare people enough to get them to vote Republican, their going for the full Montey - Marxist.
I thought he was an Arab Islamofascist... Christian hate Church attending... Black supremist with ties to the Weathermen (the domestic terrorists, not the band).
Now he's a Marxist too?
Lord stone the crows...
Do you understand how crazy that sounds?
We'll see what the country thinks November 4th, but I have a feeling after this years display, it will be a long, long time before the majority of the American people take the Republicans seriously as a major political party.

Posted by: dijetlo | October 21, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

This is worth repeating since it puts into words so perfectly the Democrat plan and philosophy on how they deal with blacks. And little has changed, other than the fact that Democrat leaders are not so truthful about what they actually think about blacks.

LBJ, for the MTV Obamabot crowd was a DEMOCRAT president.

LBJ: "These Negroes, they're getting pretty uppity these days and that's a problem for us since they've got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we've got to do something about this, we've got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference. For if we don't move at all, then their allies will line up against us and there'll be no way of stopping them, we'll lose the filibuster and there'll be no way of putting a brake on all sorts of wild legislation. It'll be Reconstruction all over again."

Posted by: KMichaels | October 21, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

grant Obamabot claims:

"McCains ads are based off of lies. Obama's ads are based off of truth."

Prove it grant. Put your money where you mouth is.

Lets go with the Obama claim that McCain ad about Obama wanting sex education for Kindergarten level kids was false.

In reviewing the actual wording of the Obama bill, it states right on top that the bill is a COMPREHENSIVE SEX EDUCATION bill for levels K-12. K obviously being KINDERGARTEN.

Now Obama's defense of this is that the bill meant that K level would just hear about inappropriate touching.

However, again, in reviewing the actual wording of the bill, there is no mention of inappropriate touching. There is no restrictions whatsoever about what will or will not be discussed to K level children, other than a vague statement that it would be "age appropriate."

The bill, COMPREHENSIVE SEX EDUCATION TO LEVELS K-12.

That is the facts. No amount of Obama backsliding and whitewashing will change the actual wording of his bill.

McCain told the truth. Obama was found lying.

Of course Grant, you will spin your little lies to make it look otherwise but McCain nailed Obama with a factual claim. Yet you morons are convinced, simply because Obama is a smooth liar, that Obama must be telling the truth.

Posted by: KMichaels | October 21, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

If we had not lost our right to a free press, the media would be railing against most members of Congress and the Senate for not living up to their oath of office and supporting the Constitution instead of trying to get one of them elected.

http://ewebsmith.com/Finance/notlistening.html

Posted by: websmith1 | October 21, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Every time this moron says something stupid, I send Tinklenberg another $10. I'm up to $60, soon to be $500. She makes my head spin. I can't help it. I guess Bachmann/Palin would say I'm a "liberal elitist with money to burn" from an "anti-American" part of the country. I live in Boca Raton, FL. Is that anti-American? Not sure. You'll have to ask the GOP and get back to me.

Posted by: shoemiaw | October 21, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

All the racists that used to be in the Democratic party, 51 years ago as KMichaels points out, are now with the Republicans.

Posted by: Grant_x | October 21, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

wpost4112,

You see, wpost4112, this just shows how stupid you and your ilk are. What you say is called the "post hoc fallacy". Remember that, from when you studied your Latin? Oh, you're no doubt too uneducated to know this. Let me explain:

"post hoc ergo propter hoc" (because of this, therefore this follows) is a logical fallacy that assumes that because something occurs, what follows is necessarily because of that thing occurred.

To say that Obama's message is positive is the reason why he gets positive coverage, is to beg the question (you probably don't know what I mean by that either, but you can look it up). It's circular reasoning.

The same holds true for McCain in the reverse.

McCain's problem, at least as far as media bias and negativity go is that the media will not report on Obama's negatives. When McCain exposes them, he's crucified, and he's called desperate. He's in a tough spot. You see how it works? Probably not -- but some objective reader will, and that's progress. By the way, you should ask for your money back from your alma mater (the university you paid to educate you). You didn't get your money's worth.

Posted by: Thrasybulos | October 21, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Here is slapfour's racial equality hero LBJ in his own words ...

[To put it mildly, LBJ was not a consistent advocate of racial equality. Bartlett (both in his book and in this article) quotes LBJ's explanation of why he backed the Civil Rights Act of 1957:]

LBJ: "These Negroes, they're getting pretty uppity these days and that's a problem for us since they've got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we've got to do something about this, we've got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference. For if we don't move at all, then their allies will line up against us and there'll be no way of stopping them, we'll lose the filibuster and there'll be no way of putting a brake on all sorts of wild legislation. It'll be Reconstruction all over again."

LBJ, like many democrat leaders of the past finally came to the realization that they would have to take a different tact in dealing with blacks. They concluded that it was just a fact of life that blacks had the right to vote (because of republicans) so they might as well make the most of it.

It was around this time that democrats started pandering to blacks in order to get their votes. The tact democrats took at this point is very similar to what they take today, including Obama. Obama generates the tact of class and race warfare hoping that other blacks (far less wealthy than he is) will buy into the idea that the rich whites should be giving more money to the blacks, as long as blacks vote for Obama.

Ayers said essentially the same thing in 2004. He repeated his belief that it was the subject of WHITE RACISM against blacks that could get him more support from the black community.

slapfour is playing the same deceptive game. Pointing out that the opposition (republicans) that are racist since dems tend to win lots of sucker votes with this deceptive approach of theirs.

Posted by: KMichaels | October 21, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Obama campaign has said more negative things, repeated more negative statements, ran more negative ads, spent more money on negative ads in all of US history.

But the idiot Obamabots are convinced that it must be McCain and Palin that are so negative. Right.

Your ability to tell the truth Obamabots is seriously lacking.

Posted by: KMichaels
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There is a difference between running an ad that exposes your opponents weaknesses, and running an ad that straight up lies.

McCains ads are based off of lies. Obama's ads are based off of truth.

He has to spend more than McCain, because a lie is easier to believe than the truth. It is hard to face the fact that narrow-minded blind support of America is not the same as being a real American. That is a hard line to sell to the willfully ignorant, as you prove with every post you make.

Keep trying though...eventually even you will tire out and realize that no matter how hard you try, 2 + 2 will never equal five.

Posted by: Grant_x | October 21, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

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KMichaels:
"Chris Matthews has his head so far up Obama's butt..."

Which one?

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 21, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

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king_of_zouk:
"I expect that the Libs will hold themselves to the Wright/Ayers/Rezco/Mahoney/Dodd/Frank/Wrangle/Jefferson/ACORN standard."

Regardibg Obama supporters, the negative aspect of the above mentioned is likely overlooked by them due to Farrahkan noting Obama as the Messiah.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 21, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Wow, that was some interview. How can she talk about Obama being anti-American when Bush is the one that shredded the constitution. What about the Geneva convention and torturing innocent people. That right wing wing-nut hasn't been paying much attention to what's going on in her own backyard. I wonder what she thinks of Bush and Cheney making millions of dollars off the Iraq war. I know who's anti-American, and it's not Barack Obama.

Posted by: HemiHead66 | October 21, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Idiot drooling slapfour:

"By the way, The first civil rights bill after Reconstruction was passed in 1957 under the leadership of LBJ, a democrat."

The key Civil Rights bill that everyone talks about that made the biggest difference was passed with 80% REPUBLICAN support and 65% DEM support.

Also, the obvious part you insist on ignoring is that the KKK had 90% of its support, at its peak, from WHITE DEMOCRATS.

Get it yet, you liar slapfour? Racism in the USA is born and bread in the DEMOCRAT party.

You are sickening lying little putz that insists on saying that it is republicans that are racist.

You lie, in order to win some cheap sucker votes for your party. You are a definte loser.

Posted by: KMichaels
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And the examples of the intimidating tactics of the Radical Conservative continue.

This time, KMicheals starts calling another poster names, then tries to defend the Republican party by showing how the racists left the Democratic party in the 1960's only to join the Republicans and stay with them until today.

Proof positive that Radical Conservatism is dead.

Posted by: Grant_x | October 21, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Chris Matthews, having that tingling feeling running up his legs when he hears Obama talk of course will be totally unbiased on how he denegrates what this woman is saying.

Chris Matthews has his head so far up Obama's butt that he has become close friends with most of the WaPo writers.

Posted by: KMichaels | October 21, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Obama campaign has said more negative things, repeated more negative statements, ran more negative ads, spent more money on negative ads in all of US history.

But the idiot Obamabots are convinced that it must be McCain and Palin that are so negative. Right.

Your ability to tell the truth Obamabots is seriously lacking.

Posted by: KMichaels | October 21, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

And slapfour,

As far as the obvious bias in media goes, the Center for Media and Public Affairs at George Mason University, has this article on it's website today:

(http://www.cmpa.com/media_room_press_8.htm)

Titled: "Obama Leads the Media Race As Well
Study Finds McCain, Palin Get More Negative Press on TV News"

It shows just the opposite of what you claim.

What the hell are you talking about, slapfour? It's so patently obvious. According to the source you cite, Obama enjoys 65% cf. McCain's 35% positive coverage.

Add to this that that CMPA attempts to use "scientific" methods of analysis. But such analyses fail to account for tone, and emotionally charged language: the two most important elements in persuasive rhetoric. Open your eyes. Stop being so partisan.

Any party that has so much support from the media is ipso facto a threat to freedom and equality.

Posted by: Thrasybulos | October 21, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Idiot drooling slapfour:

"By the way, The first civil rights bill after Reconstruction was passed in 1957 under the leadership of LBJ, a democrat."

The key Civil Rights bill that everyone talks about that made the biggest difference was passed with 80% REPUBLICAN support and 65% DEM support.

Also, the obvious part you insist on ignoring is that the KKK had 90% of its support, at its peak, from WHITE DEMOCRATS.

Get it yet, you liar slapfour? Racism in the USA is born and bread in the DEMOCRAT party.

You are sickening lying little putz that insists on saying that it is republicans that are racist.

You lie, in order to win some cheap sucker votes for your party. You are a definte loser.

Posted by: KMichaels | October 21, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

someone sputterd:

As far as the obvious bias in media goes, the Center for Media and Public Affairs at George Mason University, has this article on it's website today:

(http://www.cmpa.com/media_room_press_8.htm)

Titled: "Obama Leads the Media Race As Well
Study Finds McCain, Palin Get More Negative Press on TV News"

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Of course they get more negative press...the only messages they have are negative.

Ipso facto.

If they had more positive messages, like Obama, they'd get more positive coverage.

Not surprising at all.

Posted by: wpost4112 | October 21, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Hey dijetlo,

Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité (Liberty, Equality, Fraternity) were the ideals of the French Revolution, not the foundation of the American Republic. It is a republic, ya know, not a democracy. This betrays both your ignorance and your sad lack in understanding of the fact that Freedom and Equality are antithetical. The trick in any consensually governed society is to balance these two opposites. You just can't have both absolutely.

And slapfour,

As far as the obvious bias in media goes, the Center for Media and Public Affairs at George Mason University, has this article on it's website today:

(http://www.cmpa.com/media_room_press_8.htm)

Titled: "Obama Leads the Media Race As Well
Study Finds McCain, Palin Get More Negative Press on TV News"

What the hell are you talking about, slapfour? It's so patently obvious. Any party that has so much support from the media is ipso facto a threat to freedom and equality.

Posted by: Thrasybulos | October 21, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Michael, you are an angry little man.


By the way, The first civil rights bill after Reconstruction was passed in 1957 under the leadership of LBJ, a democrat.

Posted by: slapfour | October 21, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how republicans that earn less than $100,000/year cannot see that their party is not for them. The republican party has become more and more socialistically for the rich (deregulation), widening the gap of the rich and the other 95% of the country. So, if the republican party only caters to the top 5%, is that pro-American? To think that I thought they were for 100% of Americans . . .

Posted by: papaedde | October 21, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse


KKK, slapfour, you dumbarse, was started by 5 democrats. At its peak, KKK had 15% of the adult Amercians supporting them. 90% of that support came from WHITE DEMOCRATS.

Civil Rights bill was supported by 80% of the Republican reps and only 65% of the Democrat reps.

You craphead trolls, yes you slapfour, have lied about racism for decades. You lie because you know that your master Lenin felt that if you repeat a lie often enough then it becomes the truth.

You are a shallow little person with a very tiny brain. You spread lies because you cant deal with reality. You are an idiot.

Posted by: KMichaels
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Calm down their tiger. You are bringing up things that happened decades if not over a hundred years ago. The roles of the Democrats and Republicans reversed back in the sixties, when Radical Conservatism came out. The tactis that Nixon used in 1968 are the same ones McCain, Bush II, Bush I, and Reagan all used...call all who disagree with them un-American. Kennedy and Johnson, two Democrats, were responsible for the Civil Rights Act...not the Republicans who fought it (and in some circles still do.)

Your ignorance has been posted for all to see.

Your time is done.

Posted by: Grant_x | October 21, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

The first civil rights bill after Reconstruction was passed in 1957 under the leadership of LBJ.

Posted by: slapfour | October 21, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

"Americans (I use the term loosely) like them deserve to have their freedoms ripped from their souls, since they are in favor of similar freedoms being denied others. In the end, they will get exactly what they deserve.

Posted by: KMichaels
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Stop proving my point about Radical Conservatism.

You make this all to easy."

He is merely stating the obvious. When you preach to have others' freedoms taken away for your own selfishness and viewpoints you deserve to have yours taken away also. If you want to call that radical that is your choice.

Posted by: Cryos | October 21, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Yes, it is so radical to think that a person that treats a person a given way, like wanting their freedoms removed from others should have their own freedoms removed and see what it tastes like.

What other radical conservative said the same. Oh yeah, Jesus.

Posted by: KMichaels | October 21, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

"Americans (I use the term loosely) like them deserve to have their freedoms ripped from their souls, since they are in favor of similar freedoms being denied others. In the end, they will get exactly what they deserve."

Yep KMichaels my sentiments exactly.

FYI people like grant and dijetlo I'm not bothering to respond to you so you can try bashing me all you want. My time is worth a lot more than someone in their mom's basement who is a party hack.

Posted by: Cryos | October 21, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

KKK, slapfour, you dumbarse, was started by 5 democrats. At its peak, KKK had 15% of the adult Amercians supporting them. 90% of that support came from WHITE DEMOCRATS.

Civil Rights bill was supported by 80% of the Republican reps and only 65% of the Democrat reps.

You craphead trolls, yes you slapfour, have lied about racism for decades. You lie because you know that your master Lenin felt that if you repeat a lie often enough then it becomes the truth.

You are a shallow little person with a very tiny brain. You spread lies because you cant deal with reality. You are an idiot.

Posted by: KMichaels | October 21, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Pew poll just out....

Obama 53, McC 39.

Zouk needs new supply of Depends.

Posted by: wpost4112 | October 21, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

I'm so tired of this Obama doesn't have any substantive bills passed in the Senate. Obama was one of the least senior members of Senate, a body that puts seniority over everything else. The fact that he has any bills under his belt is a testament to his political skills. Obama came into the Senate as a rock star and he put his head down and worked his way into enough support from his fellow Democrats to beat out Hillary Clinton in endorsing fellow Senators. Above all else that is what America needs right now, and it is Obama's greatest strength, his ability to inspire people and bring them together towards a common goal. Conservatives had their light resume living-embodiment of their ideology President and he's damn near destroy this country, can we get ours and show you all why our way is better!

Posted by: SinnedNoir | October 21, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Americans (I use the term loosely) like them deserve to have their freedoms ripped from their souls, since they are in favor of similar freedoms being denied others. In the end, they will get exactly what they deserve.

Posted by: KMichaels
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Stop proving my point about Radical Conservatism.

You make this all to easy.

Posted by: Grant_x | October 21, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Sounds alot like fascist Italy or, dare I say it, NAzi Germany.

Posted by: slapfour
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Careful with that rhetoric! Our free press might investigate you for anti-American sentiment!

Posted by: Grant_x | October 21, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

If socialists and communists did take over the media, how would they behave differently from what they are doing today? Hmmm, nothing different whatsoever.

I viewed some videos of Ayers talking about being a proud anarchist and proud marxist and a proud socialist. This was his view in 2004.

About 35% of the Obama supporters listened to Ayers, declaring exactly what he was and stood for and said they did not see anything that wrong with Ayers and his views.

Stalin and Lenin lead to the death of 80,000,000 to 90,000,000 people and the idiot Obamabots dont see anything wrong with their philosophies.

This illustrates the gross stupidity and lack of historic reference found amongst the MTV crowd that loves Obama. They are easily swayed by Obama preaching to their itching ears. The MTV crowd wants to hear about more FREE GOODIES being given to them for free because the evil rich will be footing the bill for them.

Americans (I use the term loosely) like them deserve to have their freedoms ripped from their souls, since they are in favor of similar freedoms being denied others. In the end, they will get exactly what they deserve.

Posted by: KMichaels | October 21, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

"Radical conservatism was a flash in the pan ideology where you act prejudiced towards people who are different than you in skin color, religious affiliation, or sexual orientation, then call them un-American if they disagree with your prejudiced views."
Poted by Grantx


Sounds alot like fascist Italy or, dare I say it, NAzi Germany.

Posted by: slapfour | October 21, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Kmichaels,

DO you have any facts or will you keep repeating the empty rhetoric?

Posted by: slapfour | October 21, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I guess we should succumb to the opinion of the world. This is EXACTLY what I mean by losing the battle for independence. We should just call July 4th Conforming Day it would make more sense in the current political climate.

Posted by: Cryos
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Cryos, there is no succumbing to be done. There is no loss of independence. There is no conforming to be done here. Radical conservatism is old news now.

Radical conservatism was a flash in the pan ideology where you act prejudiced towards people who are different than you in skin color, religious affiliation, or sexual orientation, then call them un-American if they disagree with your prejudiced views.

Pretty simple, and over.

No conforming to be done, we're just over your radical ideology.

You have no power anymore.

You have failed.

Move on.

Posted by: Grant_x | October 21, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

This crap that Saleeza likes to repeat is indicative of what he tends to leave out. How about videos of Biden's most recent gaffe about the big international crisis that is coming up if Obama gets elected? Whoops, if you watch those jackarses like Saleeza you would known nothing about what Biden said.

Saleeza is proud to be one of the many monkies dancing on the Obama chain, doing exactly what he wants them to do.

It would be a major miracle if Obama does not win since the media has poured millions of dollars directly into Obama's campaign.

The big sin of Backman was to tell the truth that liberals are not the first group of people that stand up for America.

Honestly, where the hell are the liberals showing that they stand FOR america and not AGAINST America. Liberals are the first to diss America and what we do. Liberals at Berkelely actually gave the Soviet Union nuclear weapon secrets in order to help "stablize the world."

Yes, liberals are ANTI-AMERICAN. It is a truth that will be denied and rebuffed until the next liberal movie, the next liberal documentary, the next group of liberal spies that give away government secrets.

Posted by: KMichaels | October 21, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Communists claims that they will overcome the US and capitalism by infiltrating media, education and politics has come true. **

Uh-oh...another one who thinks the communists are taking over. Can't someone help these people?

**When you have a populace ignorant to the basic notions of why this country was formed**

A)Throw off an oppressive monarchy.
B)Establish a shining city on the hill, dedicated to liberty, equality and fraternity.
C) Call each other angry names!

Extra Credit
Who is not a founding father:
A) Thomas Jefferson
B) George Washington
C) Rush Limbaugh

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**you are ripe for takeover.**
(!)
It's the Canadians isn't it?
Dang! I knew it, they talk just like us...

**The loss of free press in america has just accelerated the demise.**
Free press?
You have Fox news, babe, don't be blue. All the news you want to know, they just make it up, you pick out the parts you want to believe.

**We will give up the philosophies that gave the world the highest standard of living increase in history**
It aint 1947, boo. It's time to move on.
** and adopt idealogies that have failed repeatedly throughout history.**
Not everybody is ideological, some of us just want it to work.
Bush even went the socialist route and bought bank stock to beef up their cash reserves. Bush is your man, you said vote for him but even he doesn't mind consorting with the socialist demon when the occasion warrants it.

** I don't care I'll offset the cost increases by stopping giving time and money to charity and will look out for my family and friends.**

I imagine you were doing that anyway.

**The general public has shown they are no longer worthy of any help since they think their "rights" now include everything they want without any work.
Posted by: Cryos | October 21, 2008 3:41 PM | **

I think the rest of us are good with that?
Anybody want to ask Cryos to re-affiliate with the rest of the nation? I think if we just let him sulk a while, he'll come out of his compound on his own.

Posted by: dijetlo | October 21, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

"If you add all the people in America and around the world who support libralism and Barack Obama the number dwarf american conservatism by a stagering amount. Thats a fact. Thats why we have been more isolated over the last 8 years. By a 4-1 ratio 70 different nations around the world prefer Obama over McCain."

Yeah I guess we should succumb to the opinion of the world. This is EXACTLY what I mean by losing the battle for independence. We should just call July 4th Conforming Day it would make more sense in the current political climate.

Posted by: Cryos | October 21, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Shows how desperate the McSame/Palin ticket has become. The Repub is simply parroting thier talking points. They don't have any arguments of substance, they merely resort to character attacts. The V.P. pick really showed that McCain wasn't selecting her to govern he picked her to get the brown shirt vote :(

Posted by: davidmc1 | October 21, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

This is the sad, pathetic last death throws of a fail ideology know as radical conservatism.

The hypocracy is nothing short of stunning. All these so called christan american values disguised in hate, racism and polarization. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Your candidate McCain ran a disgusting campaign and picked an unqualified running mate because he apeased his party. He's yellow with no direction.

We dont hate america we just have a different perception of what patiotism is that based on realist rather than blind allegence.

We were also the country who had slavery, droped nuclear bombs on other nations and invaded a country on lies.

You can praise that if you want to. I find it shameful. It a part of who we are.

If you add all the people in America and around the world who support libralism and Barack Obama the number dwarf american conservatism by a stagering amount. Thats a fact. Thats why we have been more isolated over the last 8 years. By a 4-1 ratio 70 different nations around the world prefer Obama over McCain.

Wake up.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 21, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Thrasybulos,

...

The Center for Media and Public Affairs at George Mason University, where researchers have tracked network news content for two decades, found that ABC, NBC and CBS were tougher on Obama than on Republican John McCain during the first six weeks of the general-election campaign.
During the evening news, the majority of statements from reporters and anchors on all three networks are neutral, the center found. And when network news people ventured opinions in recent weeks, 28% of the statements were positive for Obama and 72% negative.

Network reporting also tilted against McCain, but far less dramatically, with 43% of the statements positive and 57% negative, according to the Washington-based media center...


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-onthemedia27-2008jul27,0,6802141.story

Posted by: slapfour | October 21, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

The widening gap between the rich and the poor is an indicator that the rich are getting too powerful, and that our jobs and livlihoods are on the brink of drying up...just like they have in places like Mexico and Turkey.

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D93V1T7G0.htm

Beware of those that cry out 'socialist' and cringe at any attempt to narrow this gap. Their motives are not on the side of job creation and the middle class.

Posted by: Grant_x | October 21, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Cryes, It is the republicans who want to turn us into slaves and serfs. Their theories of "trickle down econmics" is just a euphomism for class warfare. "Let them eat cake", ala Marie Antoinette. Just brush enough crumbs off the table, give them a scapegoat and control the comunications enough so that they think they have something to lose. We are starting to fall behind most of the "first world" already. Keep this up and we'll soon be left in the dust. It's time for a big change or we all lose, except maybe the super rich who only care about themselves, and they have no particular affinity for America anyway. This country is just a means to an end for them.

Posted by: watchingduck | October 21, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: slapfour | October 21, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

pappasmoke and watchingduck,

McCain has set up a transition team. In fact the head of his transition team, William Timmons, is a Washington lobbyist who in the 90's aided an influence effort on behalf of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein to ease international sanctions against his regime.
Talk about Unamerican!

Obama Biden 08

Posted by: slapfour | October 21, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I'll give you the timing of the W movie was planned, but studies showing the econimic diaparity gap between the rich and the poor in the US have been talked about for years.

I won't see W until after the election, nor did I watch Michael Moore's internet thing. I could care less about this stuff. I do, however, care that Bachmann's statements are the real tenets of the Republican party...this is what us "liberals" have been fighting against. We are not fighting against America, we are fighting FOR America...against the likes of self-promoting so-called "partiots" like you.

Sad that you are too blind to see the hate and division your party has created, and continues to perpetrate.

Posted by: Grant_x | October 21, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Hey Chris, YouTube says that DCCC ad against Bachmann is private, and you have to accept their friend request to see it. Is there a different link??

Blaine, MN is just a Twin Cities suburb. I don't think it's quite like Blaine, MO. ;) Tinklenberg is a real candidate though; not a third-tier one merely able to catch a wind blowing in his direction. Working in MN politics, I'd heard of him years ago.

Posted by: JonSM99 | October 21, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

grant_x, and dijetlo,

If you deny that some 350 State Dept and other Govt officials were shown to have been complicit in espionage, then your're more stupid and ill informed than your allegiance to Obama would in itself bely. Try googling the Venona intercepts. Add that evidence to the now open files from the former Soviet Union, and the case is crystal clear.

Is Obama a Marxist? Just scrutinize his record, and his off the cuff statements when he's not reading from prepared remarks. Note, too, that Ayers is on the record as an avowed Marxist. Add to this that Rev. Wright's liberation theology is Marxist in form and in spirit. What else...? Rashid Khalidi (Edward Said Prof at Columbia) as was Said himself (Obama's teacher at Columbia) are/(were in the case of Said) openly anti-American. None of these connections have been looked at in detail. Obama won't release his Occidental College and Columbia Univ. records (all other Presidential candidates have done so), so there's much we don't know about O's background. How, e.g., did he fund his international travels before entering Columbia and Harvard law? Being a middle class jobless student, he could scarcely have funded it himself. Who recommended him for Harvard? We need not see the letter, which should remain confidential. But it'd be nice to know who his recommenders were. Did he have the grades to get in? Who funded him?

Has the media adequately investigated Obama (I don't watch TV, so I'm not up on the latest from Fox News), and by media I mean the big newspapers outside Chicago? The answer is No; they have not. I haven't seen in a single media outlet report on a very convincing piece, showing -- via literary analysis -- that William Ayers' and Obama's books share a striking resemblance. I just don't have the time to list every oversight that should be addressed in the media (print and TV) before the election , so this one must suffice: Google Jack Cashill and Obama. Draw your own conclusions. That's the best I can do to help. If that won't pique your interest, while I'd like do more, I understand that you just can't fix Stupid. For some of you, it's the cross you must bare.

Posted by: Thrasybulos | October 21, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Thrasybulos,

Thanks, but no thanks on your slippery slope to nowhere.

Posted by: Grant_x | October 21, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, pappasmoke, I disagree with your premise. McCain hasn't set up a transition team because he doen't need one even if he does win. McCain= Bush= McSame.

Posted by: watchingduck | October 21, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Good observation and probably correct.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 21, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

When you look at how much money Bachmann's opponent raised within days of her making these vile comments, you can see how it is that Obama raised 150 million in one month. The American people are rejecting this kind of divisive nonsense en masse.

Posted by: skrut003 | October 21, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

"What do Mexico and Turkey have in common with the US?

These are the top three countries with the largest gap between the rich and the poor!

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7012734983

But yeah, let's de-regulate some more and give tax breaks to the ultra-rich.

Posted by: Grant_x"

Lol yes more propoganda for the tools. Do you think "studies" like this and movies like GWB are just coincidence in their timing? There is a HUGE movement to sway US elections and america has finally been dumbed down to the point where they have proven media can determine the election. Bye bye america.

Posted by: Cryos | October 21, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Thrasybulos unfortunately the very valid points have become pointless to many americans. The average voter just wants to believe what they're told in the news so they can go back to watching American Idol.

It doesn't matter what Obama actually does, says, etc they want to feel warm and fuzzy inside and "believe." Any issues regardless of legitimacy will just be ignored if they don't meet those criteria. The fight for independence and personal responsibility in america has been lost.

Posted by: Cryos | October 21, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, pappasmoke, I disagree with your premise. McCain hasn't set up a transition team because he doen't need one even if he does win. McCain= Bush= McSame.

Posted by: watchingduck | October 21, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Republicans have been able to score cheap political points for a long time by playing to the media's sense of "fairness". Hence, the "he said, she said" tradition arose. As a reporter, you couldn't write "the sky is blue" without getting "the other side" of the story to tell you "the sky is purple". Truth and fact are irrelevant.


And in the old world, blatant lies like Bachmann's could be easily covered up. A reporter catches you saying something stupid? Who cares! Just lie and deny it. At that point it becomes a "he said, she said" question, and people will shrug their shoulders unable to independently determine who is right.


Enter YouTube. Bachmann can blatantly lie and it doesn't matter because we have the video and we can see for ourselves what was actually said. What's more, the more Bachmann explicitly denies her comments, the more insulting it becomes for those who can see for themselves the truth of the matter. People may assume politicians lie, but they don't appreciate having it rubbed in their face.


There is a silver lining to all of this -- Republicans are starting to learn that it's politically perilous to accuse Democrats of being un-American etc. It wasn't long ago that they were all spreading this kind of crap. Today, when they're caught doing so they fervently deny it and hope they can get away with it.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy7tv0VQDnQ
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 21, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, this is really bringing America together. So let me get this straight, if I criticize America, I'm anti-American? So, when Barrack Obama becomes president and Republicans continue to criticize him, does that mean that they, in turn, will become anti-American? Will Fox News patriotically defend President Obama as fervently as they've defended President Bush, or will they also become "anti-American"? I don't know, but if Barrack becomes President I'd say that Bachmann just went on a totally anti-American tirade...This is stupid, there are way more important things to be talking about, like the fact that McCain used to call his former Naval Academy classmate, Frank Gamboa, "The Mex", which means (even Gamboa considered it an endearing nickname) that McCain is a racist, and racism is anti-American! Unfortunately it's only considered anti-American to us anti-American liberals so it-crap-I'm confused. Does anti-American x anti-American make pro-American or just cancel itself out?...yep, pretty dumb discourse...401k disappearing like a pile of sand in the wind...

Posted by: JesusWizardo | October 21, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

What do Mexico and Turkey have in common with the US?

These are the top three countries with the largest gap between the rich and the poor!

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7012734983

But yeah, let's de-regulate some more and give tax breaks to the ultra-rich.

Posted by: Grant_x | October 21, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

"the most difficult position is a new one - the Department of correcting Biden. It is a full time job and requires a person who is fast on their feet and is available 24/7. you see his vast experience has led him to actually beleive he knows what he is talking about and that he makes sense. I think they are going to need a staff of about 50-60 to keep up with all his "corrections" and fanciful "distractions".

Posted by: king_of_zouk"

This would be true only however if the media gave fair representation and actually let you know when he made mistakes. Oh that's right hes a liberal they dont make mistakes.

"factcheck.org" only called out 1 of Bidens 6-8 MAJOR gaffes in the last VP debate yet grilled Palin for everything. Yeah factcheck.org is real reputable and non-partisan huh.

Oh well I'll just laugh at all these ignorant bottom feeders as they don't really get jack from Obama and turn into government slaves. You'll still be driving POS cars, working crappy jobs and having nothing to show for your lives.

Posted by: Cryos | October 21, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

grant_x, and dijetlo,

If you deny that some 350 State Dept and other Govt officials were shown to have been complicit in espionage, then your're more stupid and ill informed than your allegiance to Obama would in itself bely. Try googling the Venona intercepts. Add that evidence to the now open files from the former Soviet Union, and the case is crystal clear.

Is Obama a Marxist? Just scrutinize his record, and his off the cuff statements when he's not reading from prepared remarks. Note, too, that Ayers is on the record as an avowed Marxist. Add to this that Rev. Wright's liberation theology is Marxist in form and in spirit. What else...? Rashid Khalidi (Edward Said Prof at Columbia) as was Said himself (Obama's teacher at Columbia) are/(were in the case of Said) openly anti-American. None of these connections have been looked at in detail. Obama won't release his Occidental College and Columbia Univ. records (all other Presidential candidates have done so), so there's much we don't know about O's background. How, e.g., did he fund his international travels before entering Columbia and Harvard law? Being a middle class jobless student, he could scarcely have funded it himself. Who recommended him for Harvard? We need not see the letter, which should remain confidential. But it'd be nice to know who his recommenders were. Did he have the grades to get in? Who funded him?

Has the media adequately investigated Obama (I don't watch TV, so I'm not up on the latest from Fox News), and by media I mean the big newspapers outside Chicago? The answer is No; they have not. I haven't seen in a single media outlet a very convincing piece showing via literary analysis that William Ayers' and Obama's books share a striking resemblance. I just don't have the time to list every oversight that should be addressed in the media (print and TV) before the election , so this one must suffice: Google Jack Cashill and Obama. Draw your own conclusions. That's the best I can do to help. If that won't pique your interest, while I'd like do more, I understand that you just can't fix Stupid. For some of you, it's the cross you must bare.

Posted by: Thrasybulos | October 21, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Obama is busy setting up his victory party and cabinet appointments. you may recall he already has a Presidential seal.
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Good thing too. That way he'll be ready on or before day one.

Posted by: Grant_x | October 21, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse
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That is his job. Every candidate at this point are always setting up a transition team. The real question is, why hasn't Mccain set up a transition team? He may be the only one at this point to not even have started yet. I will answer my own question. They know they are not going to win. It has already been said that the current administration wants to begin working with the new president as soon as the election is over. They said they can't wait till Jan. things are too critical. Mccain may be telegraphing how they really believe the election will turn out with their actions, or should I say, inactions.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 21, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

'CHILDISH???? You think denying me and my family a right to health insurance for the past 15 years is only childish??"

If this has any basis in truth maybe sometime in the last 15 years you could have gotten a better education or a real job. I know this is a lot to ask you're supposed to do nothing and get the world in return because....you're you right?

Posted by: Cryos | October 21, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

"Thrasybulos wrote:
"Truly, we have entered the world of "newspeak" when a Congresswoman cannot articulate the sentiments of millions of Americans"

If those are the sentiments of millions of Americans, then we've got millions of potential brown shirts. Don't worry, when our people come to power we'll have them all re-educated.

Posted by: VMR1 | "

And there is the attitude of the "tolerant left" in a nutshell. "We will force you to think like us."

Posted by: Cryos | October 21, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

terry1960: Although this comment will probably get buried, I have to agree with you. I've had a few of those discussions where it's clear the conservative side of the discussion just isn't looking at the bigger picture: how can we position ourselves now so we're better in the future?

Posted by: yankervitch | October 21, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I am disappointed in these particular Republicans, playing on and encouraging ignorance, desperately en route to the White House to start their wealthy, permanent tax cuts.

I am amazed at ignorance of some of these figures representing our constituents of our country. I watched that video in shock, disbelief. Michele Bachman ought to get voted out of her position, and replaced with a more intelligent representative or is more in tune with the updated United States of America gee whiz. What was going on in this country that we have elected these kinds of people?

I think it is time we start telling these figures, all of them, that we're not as dumb a population as they think, and have zero tolerance for them stooping to laziness instead of attacking with substance. I'm very through with these distractions, and I find it very very low for an experienced ticket to silently stoop to such robo calls to influence people, like they can't think or willfully attempting to play on some belief that the population is that ignorant, to pull themselves ahead. Attack on the policies. Make robo calls about the policies of your opponent, but leave the distraction, anti-American, guilt by implications, out of our final process! It speaks volumes of how selfish a ticket we have here. That's not thinking about the people's concerns of this country, trying to get over on them in this fashion, just to get a boost to the White House. I have faith that that current ticket will get the swift boot come November. It is time for something else. I'm so tired of it.

Come on America!! We can do better, and we deserve it.

Posted by: Obama2008 | October 21, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Obama is busy setting up his victory party and cabinet appointments. you may recall he already has a Presidential seal.
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Good thing too. That way he'll be ready on or before day one.

Posted by: Grant_x | October 21, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

CaptainJohn2525 said:

"America has had enough of these childish, outlandish and subversive attacks.Enough already!"

CHILDISH???? You think denying me and my family a right to health insurance for the past 15 years is only childish?? I think it's downright MURDEROUS! If I could get away with it, I wouldn't hesitate to mow the bastards down with an Uzi, all them, starting with Gingrich, DeLAy and Graham, and continuing with McConnell, Frist and all the rest of them ReUGLYcan cockroaches in our national home.

For all the countless hours spent in emergency rooms dealing with incompetent interns and nurses with barely comprehensible foreign accents. For all the humiliation and more countless hours trying to make affordable medical payment arrangements and begging for Medicaid. For the lost two jobs due to child's illness and spending time in emergency rooms.
Why? So that these bastards can enrich their patrons in the medical insurance and
pharmaceutical industries, and because their moronic supporters hate "socialism". Never in my life could I imagine that this would happen in my beloved USA.

Oh, man, I REALLY could mow them all down, with pleasure and no remorse. For killing my country.

Posted by: VMR1 | October 21, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0rUBomKvY0

Says Michele Bachmann:

1) Women should be submissive to their husbands.
2) God told her to run for Congress

Don't believe me?
Watch the video of her saying it (linked above). And share this with everybody!!

Also, you can donate to her very worthy opponent (I am from Minnesota) Mr. Tinklenberg at:

http://www.tinklenberg08.com/

Posted by: chips_gf | October 21, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

king_of_souk is such a crybaby

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 21, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Obama is busy setting up his victory party and cabinet appointments. you may recall he already has a Presidential seal.

the most difficult position is a new one - the Department of correcting Biden. It is a full time job and requires a person who is fast on their feet and is available 24/7. you see his vast experience has led him to actually beleive he knows what he is talking about and that he makes sense. I think they are going to need a staff of about 50-60 to keep up with all his "corrections" and fanciful "distractions".

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0rUBomKvY0

Says Michele Bachmann:

1) Women should be submissive to their husbands.
2) God told her to run for Congress

Don't believe me?
Watch the video of her saying it (linked above). And share this with everybody!!

Also, you can donate to her very worthy opponent (I am from Minnesota) Mr. Tinklenberg at:

http://www.tinklenberg08.com/

Posted by: chips_gf | October 21, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Just came back from meeting Obama. This thing is in the bag trust me. You think an idiot like Mccain and his incompetent campaign is going to out moving Obama? The end game has begun.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 21, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

After 9-11 some serious thought must be given to abuse of power by a right wing government in the United States.

Bachmann must be taken at her word that she wants a loyalty test for legislators and that this is not a publicity stunt for office.

Meanwhile few people realize that FEMA maintains a number of detention camps around the country ostensibly for use with immigrant populations or for relocations in a disaster.

There were contingency planning and redness exercises like Rex 84 and others that pose a potential threat to civil liberties if fully implemented in a real operation. These plans are taken seriously by scholars and civil liberties activists.

In 2008, for the first time an active military unit has been given a dedicated assignment stateside for civil unrest containment. It is assigned to NORTHCOM, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.[7]
NORTHCOM with the support of the "John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007" and the Military Commissions Act of 2006
could circumvent the Posse Comitatus Act and the Insurrection Act which substantially limit the powers of the federal government to use the military for law enforcement.

So the potential is there for things to go wrong in this country if we are not vigilant for threats like Bachmann in our own government.

McCain and Palin would continue the secrecy in Washington that Bush and Cheney have created.

Obama would bring back transparency.

Posted by: seemstome | October 21, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Palin, sympathizer to the Alaskan Independence Party, her husband once a proud member.

http://www.akip.org/

How much more anti-American and un-American can you be, that to want to seceded from America?

Posted by: barfolomew | October 21, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

That's right, Fascism is Socialism (a government wherein the State owns the means of production: as in health care, energy, communications, education, etc.)

antlerson, you are remarkably stupid.

Fascism is the corporate ownership of the government, socialism is the other way around.

Fascism and Socialism are about as 180 out from each other as they can be.

Remarkably stupid, just amazing, breathtaking stupidity. There you go McCain, your low-watt rednecks supporting you here on the WaPo. And you want to lead a technologically advanced nation?

holy sh1t.

Posted by: barfolomew | October 21, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0rUBomKvY0

Says Michele Bachmann:

1) Women should be submissive to their husbands.
2) God told her to run for Congress

Don't believe me?
Watch the video of her saying it (linked above). And share this with everybody!!

Also, you can donate to her very worthy opponent (I am from Minnesota) Mr. Tinklenberg at:

http://www.tinklenberg08.com/

Posted by: chips_gf | October 21, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

All three of us have written many, many times on all of these issues. Taken individually, most of them would create doubt about the readiness and honesty of any political candidate. Put together as a narrative, we believe this paints the picture of a man who has few real credentials for the office he seeks beyond the Constitutional minimum, and a politician who has succeeded in obfuscating his hard-Left ideology.
Perhaps if Barack Obama had taken more time to build his resumé – especially with executive experience – he might have made a more compelling candidate, and might have demonstrated at least a little of the moderation he has claimed. Instead, Democrats want America to support at once the most radical and least qualified candidate for President in at least a century. They have tried to conceal this with the complicity of a pom-pom-waving national media that has shown much more interest in the political background of a plumber from Ohio than in a major-party candidate for President.
America deserves better than that. Voters deserve the truth from the press, not vague cheers of “hope” and “change” while willfully ignoring or air-brushing Obama’s record. We hope to set that record straight with our essay.


http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/21/the-comprehensive-argument-against-barack-obama/

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

After an embarrassing exchange on a talk show, the Obama campaign scrambled to arm its surrogates with talking points about Obama’s grand legislative record. What did they come up with? Two bills—and Obama talks about them endlessly. One deals with securing loose nuclear weapons and was so uncontroversial that it passed on a voice vote in the Senate. The other created a “google for government” system, allowing citizens to track government spending. Both were laudable efforts for a wet-behind-the-ears legislator, but Obama wants to be President. Beyond those two meager accomplishments, what has he done? It’s a question that has baffled official campaign surrogates and regular Americans alike:

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama gained much of his early traction by speaking out against the war in Iraq. He cites his initial opposition to the war as the crown-jewel example of his judgment on foreign affairs. Although many people credit him for being “right” on the war from the beginning, it’s indisputable that he did not have an actual vote on the war resolution. As a state senator from a liberal, antiwar district, one wonders how much political risk he assumed by speaking out against a Republican-led conflict. Regardless, after he was elected to the US Senate, Obama was faced with an actual vote on a controversial issue: The surge. John McCain and others said the strategy was the only way to salvage the war and recover from our missteps there. History has proven them correct. Obama not only opposed the surge, but actually predicted it would make matters worse. In other words, he was spectacularly wrong on his biggest foreign policy judgment call since joining the Senate. He stubbornly refuses to admit he was wrong. This may be the kind of judgment that’s expected from a partisan rookie Senator, but not a Commander-in-Chief:

During the CNN-YouTube debate in the summer of 2007, Obama unequivocally promised to meet without preconditions with the rogue leaders of America’s worst enemies—all within the first year of his administration. Hillary Clinton and John McCain have called this approach reckless, expressing concerns that Obama may be playing into our enemies’ propagandistic designs. In October 2008, the Iranian government announced its own preconditions for one-on-one meetings with the Unites States: Pull all US troops out of the Middle East, and abandon support for “Zionist” Israel. These absurd demands further expose Obama’s very poor judgment vis-a-vis a regime that is actively aiding and abetting terrorists in Iraq who are killing US servicemen. Iran’s “preconditions” prove that negotiating with bad-faith actors who hate Americans and Jews would accomplish nothing other than handing their regime a PR coup. In recent months, Obama’s campaign has continually claimed that he didn’t actually make the promise that he did. The tape does not lie:

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0rUBomKvY0

Says Michele Bachmann:

1) Women should be submissive to their husbands.
2) God told her to run for Congress

Don't believe me?
Watch the video of her saying it (linked above). And share this with everybody!!

Also, you can donate to her very worthy opponent (I am from Minnesota) Mr. Tinklenberg at:

http://www.tinklenberg08.com/

Posted by: chips_gf | October 21, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

king_of_zouk wrote: "I am always so amused at how incensed the Libs become when the truth about thier candidates and their views are aired. where was all the indignant rightousness when their stooges were calling bush every dirty name in the book. there has never been a more hypocritical party in american history."
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I believe that if a real investigation of anti-American viewpoints in our government was conducted, you'd find that many more Republicans were anti-American than the Democrats, starting with Michelle Bachmann right here.

Posted by: Grant_x | October 21, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

After watching the video of Bachmann, I thought I was watching a clip of the Clone Wars.

The Republicans have nothing, NOTHING~!, to run on - and so they spout out crap like this. I am not superstitious, and I predict a Democratic landslide this year.

America has had enough of these childish, outlandish and subversive attacks.

Enough already!

Posted by: CaptainJohn2525 | October 21, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

This is just another example of the republican war on America. They don't like our values, they don't like the middle class, they don't like the Constitution ( I would bet that most of the people at a Palin rally have never read the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence) and most of all they hate anybody who disagrees with them. They don't even know what America is or stands for, other than some kind of us against them game. They lie, cheat, steal and ignore the law without conscience. The republcan party has become a tool for ignorant, mean extremists. Having a choice of parties with differing philosophies has mostly served our country well. They create some amount of balance and accountability. These intolerant despots would like a single party as a vehicle for their radical agenda. The irony here is that unless more thoughtful moderate republicans are willing to fight the good fight and take back their party, the republican party will become an increasingly marginaliized political victim of itself. No linger a voice for many citizens or in alignment with true American values, it will become an isolated party of hate mongers and demogogues. Gradually, working middle class Americans will realize that they actually have very little in common with the policies and voice of the republican fringe.

Posted by: watchingduck | October 21, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

As a skilled rhetorical magician, Obama presents himself as a tax-cutter. Even though he’s voted dozens of times to raise taxes, he assures Americans that 95% of us will have our taxes slashed under his plan. The Wall Street Journal isn’t buying it. Once again, though, the best way to assess someone’s positions is to listen to his own language. Note the two telling exchanges that follow:
First, Obama tells newly-minted national celebrity “Joe the Plumber” that his tax hikes on the so-called rich are designed to “spread the wealth around,” which Obama explains is “good for everybody.” Does that sound like a genuine tax-cutter to you?
Second, Obama is challenged by ABC News anchor Charlie Gibson at a primary debate in Pennsylvania. Gibson asks Obama why he insists on raising capital gains taxes (which affect millions of American investors) even after history has proven that raising said taxes actually decreases government revenues from the taxes, and cutting capital gains taxes actually brings more revenue into federal coffers. Obama has no answer, other than to blow off all the evidence, and say that raising taxes is the fair thing to do—practical consequences be damned.

Someone so obsessed with the concept of “fairness” is unlikely to be a friend to taxpayers. Obama’s record over his brief legislative career confirms his tax-and-spend impulses.


Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Deep in the dark bowels of NeoCon HQ is the place where Abu Ghraib was invented.

A man in round wire frame glasses, sits oposit his subjects...

McSame: "I am not Bush."
McSame: "I am not Bush. Really, I am not."
McSame: "I am not Bush"
McSame: "I used to be a war hero you know, well a POW but its the same thing"
McSame: "I am a little fairy floating on the breeze"
McSame: "WHERE IS MY OATMEAL?"
Rove: "Get back on message! Your not Bush Remember"
McSame: "Yes boss, don’t put me back in the bamboo cage"
McSame: "I am not Bush"
McSame: "I am not Bush"
McSame: "I used to be a war hero you know, well a POW but its the same really"
McSame: "I am not Bush"
Rove: "Now the next line"
McSame: "I am not Bush, I am not even GOP."
Rove: "Excellent!"
McSame: "I am not Bush"
McSame: "I am not Bush"
McSame: "I am not Bush. Really I am not"
McSame: "I used to be a war hero you know, well a POW but its the same thing"
McSame: "I am not Bush, I am not even GOP."
Rove: "That's a good little candidate.”
Rove: “Now I can get back to Palin stupid Sarah. It was much easier with the chimp."
Rove: “Chest out, flutter eyes, thumbs up, grin”
Palin stupid Sarah: “You betcha!”
Palin stupid Sarah: “Hey joe six pack!”
Rove: “Remember dagnabit !Chest out, flutter eyes, thumbs up, grin”
Palin stupid Sarah: “You betcha!”
Palin stupid Sarah: “Hey joe six pack!”
Rove: “GIVE ME STRENGTH! Cant you remember anything?”
Rove: “Chest out, flutter eyes, thumbs up, grin”
Palin stupid Sarah: “You betcha!”
Palin stupid Sarah: “Hey joe six pack!”
Rove: “FINALY!”
Rove: “OK New line. He will be off on maternity leave next, Chest out, flutter eyes, thumbs up, grin. Little laugh. End Line Repeat program ”
Rove: “Now lets get back to the next phase Begin Voter Control Program.”
Rove: “He is an Arab you know?”
Rove: “He is a Muslim.”
Rove: “He is not experienced enough”
Rove: “He is a terrorist.”
Rove: “He is not an American”
Rove: “He is a socialist.”

Rove: “Hello are you worried about black men?”
Crazy McCain lady: “He is an… Harab you know”

Seems like Michelle Bachmann has been listening to too many Robo Calls.

Well what do you think the Robo calls are for?
Is it working on you?
Will you vote Rove Puppet II?

Posted by: walker1 | October 21, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

"What is it about the Great North Midwest that breeds fascists like Joe McCarthy and Bachmann?"

It also breeds progressives like Eugene McCarthy, Hubert Humphrey, Paul Wellstone & Russ Feingold you arrogant twit.

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 21, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama is out of the political mainstream on abortion. Don’t take our word for it, just listen to Sen. Obama’s own statements. In his final debate with John McCain, Obama asserted that “nobody is pro-abortion.” If you don’t have the time to read Princeton University professor Robert P. George’s detailed argument that Obama may actually fit that description, consider the candidate’s own record. In the clips below, you will hear Obama say three things.
First, he tells an audience that if his own daughters experienced an unexpected teen pregnancy, he wouldn’t want them “punished with a baby.”

Second, he pledges to a Planned Parenthood gathering that the very first thing he’d do as president is sign the Freedom Of Choice Act, which—according to the bill’s own supporters — would abolish bans on partial-birth abortion and parental notification laws nationwide while implementing tax-payer funded abortions. All three positions are wildly unpopular with the vast majority of Americans, yet they are Obama’s top priorities—just ask him:

Finally, Obama argues against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act as an Illinois Senator in 2002. Despite Obama’s protestations otherwise, he voted three separate times against this legislation, which was designed to require life-saving care for infants who survive botched abortions. This is a matter of record. Not only did an identical bill pass Congress without a single dissenting vote, the explanation Obama has offered for years to defend these votes has been exposed as a lie. Furthermore, Hot Air has a long list of supporting posts on this very subject:

Listen to Obama complain that providing care to these accidentally-born infants would place an undue burden on the woman and her abortionist:

Americans of good faith are divided on this issue. Many are pro-life, and many are pro-choice. Obama’s extreme record should horrify the former group, and should even give significant pause to the latter. Ask yourself, are babies “punishment”? Would you vote for the Freedom of Choice Act and against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act…three times

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0rUBomKvY0

Says Michele Bachmann:

1) Women should be submissive to their husbands.
2) God told her to run for Congress

Don't believe me?
Watch the video of her saying it (linked above). And share this with everybody!!

Also, you can donate to her very worthy opponent (I am from Minnesota) Mr. Tinklenberg at:

http://www.tinklenberg08.com/

Posted by: chips_gf | October 21, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse


Anytime a Lib actually speaks the truth, there is a correction and a flurry of defensive crouching. I think Biden has gone off the deep end.

On Sunday, Sen. Joe Biden warned that Barack Obama will be tested by an ''international crisis'' if he’s elected president. By Tuesday, the Obama campaign was in damage-control mode, sending out surrogates to explain what Obama’s running mate really meant. Former Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine, appearing on Fox & Friends Tuesday, tried to minimize Biden’s latest blurt by invoking Colin Powell’s endorsement of Obama:

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Trashybulos wote: "Bachmann is asking the free media to employ First Amendment rights and explore the Obama vis-à-vis William Ayers, et al. McCarthy sought to prosecute people with the authority of the Government (sort of like the Obama campaign threatened in MO). See the difference."

What kind of revisionist tripe are you selling? McCarthy and his followers were more than happy to deny first amendment rights to anyone on their blacklist. Also, I like how you all of a sudden refer to the "free media"...is that the same main-stream media that you otherwise feel is "in the tank" for Obama.

As for you simplistic diatribes regarding Facism and Socialism...the excesses of Bush/Cheney far outweigh the threats to our individual freedoms than so-called "socialist" governments in Candada, Scandinavia, France, U.K., etc.

Btw, I think McCarthy's relationship to his first-mate, Roy Cohen, if far more revealing than Obaman's association with Ayers.

cheers

As for Fascism and Brown Shirts: I seriously doubt you even know what they are. Let me clarify: SOCIALISM. That's right, Fascism is Socialism (a government wherein the State owns the means of production: as in health care, energy, communications, education, etc.). The distinguishing feature of Fascism and Nazism is that they are based on national/ethnic/racial identity. I equate that with no political platform here in the USA, although a case can be made for rev. Wright's extreme Afrocentrist statements. Still, no one is saying Obama is a totalitarian. But his policies (supported not by his promises but by his voting record) can be seen as laying the groundwork for an all too powerful state -- one based on a new kind of politically correct bigotry against anyone who opposes the Party. Read Orwell again, and A. B. Huxley. We are on the brink. Oh, and by the way... the Big "O" is a Marxist, by any reasonable definition of the word. Specifically what kind of Marxist ha

Posted by: antlerson | October 21, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

I am always so amused at how incensed the Libs become when the truth about thier candidates and their views are aired. where was all the indignant rightousness when their stooges were calling bush every dirty name in the book. there has never been a more hypocritical party in american history.

they scream for free speech, then invoke the fairness doctrine, truth squads and MSDNC investigative journalism (guffaw).

they blame bush for Frank, dodd,Obama and Schumer.

They fault us for winning a war in Iraq and then declare Darfur is next.

they cry about the bill of rights then vote for FISA.

they pretend they will balance the budget when the last time it happened gingrich did it.

the delight of this election is the eyes opening of the voters, realizing the march to socialism right before it is too late. the Obamabots and candidate are sinking day by day in every poll.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Holy sh1t McCarthy ... I mean McCain, is this the America you see?

How many of us are going to be allowed to live here? If you think your low-watt rednecks are going to be able to pay enough taxes to feed your military then you are as stupid as you look.

I'm all for Palin taking over the republican party though, it helps those of us who did have some hope about the republicans - lose that hope.

Posted by: barfolomew | October 21, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

I too just gave Mr. inklenberg $20. I encourage all residents of the Twin Cities to reconsider voting for Ms. Bachmann in view of her decidedly anti-American values. At best her comments revealed a malfeasant lack of political leadership, at worst, she is a MacArtheyist hack. She would not think twice about the destructive nature of her comments, because she does not understand how democracy works nor what the fabric of this nation is comprised of.

Posted by: AgentG | October 21, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

To be fair to Info42, here is the link to Pittsburgh's channel 4's interview with Murtha:
http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/politics/17764334/detail.html

Definitely not a politically correct comment on the part of Murtha--but not quite rising to the level of calling on an expose of the un-Americaness of fellow representatives of different opinions.

Mr. Cillizza is reporting here on the political fallout from Ms. Bachman's remarks--not on the remarks themselves (which went unnoticed yesterday by the WaPo). If Murtha has/is experiencing political fallout in his district--not just in the many conservative Blogs trying to make something of his remarks--then that would be something for Mr. Cillizza to report.

Posted by: multiplepov | October 21, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0rUBomKvY0

Says Michele Bachmann:

1) Women should be submissive to their husbands.
2) God told her to run for Congress

Don't believe me?
Watch the video of her saying it (linked above). And share this with everybody!!

Also, you can donate to her very worthy opponent (I am from Minnesota) Mr. Tinklenberg at:

http://www.tinklenberg08.com/

Posted by: chips_gf | October 21, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I wish Chris had of asked Michele Bachmann-McCarthy if Reverend Wright was a "Real American or a "Pro American" when he served honorably as a United States Marine?

Also, say what you want about Williams Ayers at least he had the guts to put his freedom on the line to stop what he believed to be an illegal and immoral war. I don't agree with his tactics, but frankly they come right out of the Declaration of Independence that most American's claim to revere.

"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

The point here is that whether it was the view of most Americans that the Viet Nam war was grounds to over throw the U.S. Government or in anyway the right thing to do clearly Mr. Ayers and his associates not only thought they had a right to challenge the sitting government regarding the Viet Nam war, they thought they had a duty to do so.

Posted by: RW89052 | October 21, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Just happened again.
Republican Congressman Robin Hayes said at a McCain rally that
"liberals hate real Americans." Hayes denied it 3 times (take that Judas) and then they played the tape.
His opponent, a guy named Kissel, has collected $25K in the past hour on ActBlue alone.
The McCain campaign has no comment even though it happened at their rally.

Posted by: djah | October 21, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

"political echo chamber" - I watched the interview and it is amazing how the echo she heard was different from what she said.
I was astonished that she was calling for a witch hunt in Congress!!! A trial or "expose" by press too!!!
Minnesota, take heed from us Northern Virginians who made Allen pay for his macaca remark.

Posted by: bgreston | October 21, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

"Truly, we have entered the world of "newspeak" when a Congresswoman cannot articulate the sentiments of millions of Americans, to say nothing of her actual constituents."

Do millions of Americans actually believe that if you disagree on issues with the Republicans you are "anti-American"? If that is true, God help us.

Posted by: StevefromSacto | October 21, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

"Truly, we have entered the world of "newspeak" when a Congresswoman cannot articulate the sentiments of millions of Americans, to say nothing of her actual constituents."

Do millions of Americans actually believe that if you disagree on issues with the Republicans you are "anti-American"? If that is true, God help us.

Posted by: StevefromSacto | October 21, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

If Palin and McCain were smart they'd take note of how repercussions of their smearing makes candidates appear incompetent and narrow.

Posted by: janefree0513
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I think Palin is smart, in fact I think she is throwing McCain under the bus in order to make a bid for the 2012 election. She sees the writing on the wall like the rest of us.

Think about it.

She slams her own campaign for their failues (publicly) and takes credit for the "reseurgence of the base" (publicly).

She also refuses interviews so that she can drive her own narrative...the one of the hockey mom going to Washington to fight the good ol' boys...the same narrative she used in every election she's been in since 1996.

With every rally she puts on she secures more of the hard-core right wing base around her.

Watch out America. In two years she'll make a few liberals happy by declaring some environmental areas in Alaska off limits, then maybe even put money into helping our special needs programs.

But she has a plan, and it's 2012. BEWARE.

Posted by: Grant_x | October 21, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

"Truly, we have entered the world of "newspeak" when a Congresswoman cannot articulate the sentiments of millions of Americans, to say nothing of her actual constituents."

Do millions of Americans actually believe that if you disagree on issues with the Republicans you are "anti-American"? If that is true, God help us.

Posted by: StevefromSacto | October 21, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad this story aired. And I am glad that Rep. Bachmann said that people are giving money to her opponent without knowing about him. Well, I found out more about her. She went to Oral Roberts law school, and her husband got his master's in psychology from Pat Robertson's school.

That's all I needed to know to send Mr. Tinkleman a donation.

We don't need freaks like Michelle Bachmann in the U.S. House of Representatives.

Posted by: VeloStrummer | October 21, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Communists claims that they will overcome the US and capitalism by infiltrating media, education and politics has come true. The posts by "liberals" pretty much validate this.

When you have a populace ignorant to the basic notions of why this country was formed you are ripe for takeover. The loss of free press in america has just accelerated the demise. We will give up the philosophies that gave the world the highest standard of living increase in history and adopt idealogies that have failed repeatedly throughout history. Oh well it just validates "some things never change."

At this point I don't care I'll offset the cost increases by stopping giving time and money to charity and will look out for my family and friends. The general public has shown they are no longer worthy of any help since they think their "rights" now include everything they want without any work.

Posted by: Cryos | October 21, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad this story aired. And I am glad that Rep. Bachmann said that people are giving money to her opponent without knowing about him. Well, I found out more about her. She went to Oral Roberts law school, and her husband got his master's in psychology from Pat Robertson's school.

That's all I needed to know to send Mr. Tinkleman a donation.

We don't need freaks like Michelle Bachmann in the U.S. House of Representatives.

Posted by: VeloStrummer | October 21, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

"Drill, baby, drill!" ...uh...er...wait a minute...I...I really meant "Sell out to the Japanese, baby, sell out to the Japanese!"

The Republicans have just spent a month going completely frothy over the need to drill for oil and natural gas in every backyard in America, claiming it'll lower gasoline prices at the pump.

But did you know that in the meantime, they've been preparing to secret all that natural gas out of the country and sell it to the Japanese?

Yep, it's true. Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR) was the one who tipped us to the facts here last month, which led us to wonder how far Palin's hand had been jammed in the cookie jar. And the traditional media has decided that it might finally be time to take some find out:

"On the campaign trail, Sarah Palin says repeatedly that America must tap its own natural gas and oil reserves to become energy-independent."
"But the Alaska governor and GOP vice presidential candidate has pushed the federal government to allow a liquefied natural gas plant to continue exporting to Asia—the only such plant in the United States that sends the product overseas."
.
http://www.breitbart.com/print.php?id=D93UO5580&show_article=1&catnum=3

Ah, good ol' reg'lar hockey mom Sarah. Exportin' 100 billion cubic feet of LNG while the rest of the US imports 700 billion, you-betcha! Oh, and pocketing a cool $3200 per head for her own family ($3,269, in fact, x 7 = $22,883), thanks to the windfall of high energy prices and Alaska's sweetheart royalties deal for its residents! That's a lotta baby clothes, alright. And hey, let's face it, you just never know when a Palin is gonna need baby clothes.

So given the big bucks involved (even when compared to the sixty bucks a day Palin charges the state to live in her own house and eat illegal, poached mooseburger) who do you think Sarah's gonna look out for, gosh darn it also? Is she gonna make sure that LNG stays home in the states, and "consider the need to do all that we can to allow this nation to become energy-independent," as sprayed in the gibberish fest that passed for her participation in the Vice Presidential debate? Or is she gonna sell out to the highest bidder and boost her own royalty payments (and, maybe not coincidentally, keep Wasilla swimming in meth)?

Oh, well, she once almost tried to help America:

"During negotiations, which began last year, Palin had pressed for enough natural gas to serve Alaska to remain in-state. She added, however, that the rest should be shipped primarily to Japan."
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http://www.breitbart.com/print.php?id=D93UO5580&show_article=1&catnum=3

I got mine! The rest of you Joe Six Packs can go screw, doggone it, also!

That's so gosh-darn pro-America, I can hardly stand it.

I think we had it right back in September, folks:

What's the difference between a Hockey MomTM and Enron?

Yeah, it turns out that's lipstick too.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/08/AR2008090803088.html?hpid=topnews
.

Posted by: DrainYou | October 21, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Did any one read her rant on politico.com? She so beautifully exposes the hypocracy of the McCain/Stupid ticket. After going on about Obama's alledged connection to Ayers, etc, she in the end claims that her consituents care about pocket book issues. They can't even get their message straight!

Posted by: ualec1 | October 21, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I wonder when Chris will report how Rep. Murtha call his constituents "racists" and then followed it up by calling them "rednecks"?

Perhaps when he dries himself off after getting out of the TANK.

Posted by: info42 | October 21, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

The founder of the Alaska Independence Party -- a group that has been courted over the years by Sarah Palin, and one her husband was a member of for roughly seven years -- once professed his "hatred for the American government" and cursed the American flag as a "damn flag."

The AIP founder, Joe Vogler, made the comments in 1991, in an interview that's now housed at the Oral History Program in the Rasmuson Library at the University of Alaska, Fairbanks.

"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government," Vogler said in the interview, in which he talked extensively about his desire for Alaskan secession, the key goal of the AIP.

"And I won't be buried under their damn flag," Vogler continued in the interview, which also touched on his disappointment with the American judicial system. "I'll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home."

At another point, Volger advocated renouncing allegiance to the United States. In the course of denouncing Federal regulation over land, he said:

"And then you get mad. And you say, the hell with them. And you renounce allegiance, and you pledge your efforts, your effects, your honor, your life to Alaska."

Posted by: wpost4112 | October 21, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

If Palin and McCain were smart they'd take note of how repercussions of their smearing makes candidates appear incompetent and narrow.

Posted by: janefree0513 | October 21, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Thrasybulos,

You must be either a troll or have spent too much time in Ted Kazinsky's cabin.

Bachmann actually suggested the media go on a witch hunt to check on the anti-American sentiments of our government officials...the ones we elected. That is hugely problematic, and wrong to the core. Goes against all of our values and such.

Your views do too, though we'll still accept you and let you live in our society without a witchhunt. Because that is wrong.

Finally, if you don't think the Ayers-Obama connection has been explored yet, then stop watching Fox News, google the names, and spend the next week reading about it. There is really nothing left to explain...you just are using this so-called connection as an excuse to associate buzzwords like "terrorist" with Obama.

We get it. You're stupid. You can stop digging a deeper hole for you and your party now.

Posted by: Grant_x | October 21, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Yet another angry, mouthy republican shoots itself in the foot.

Posted by: binkynh | October 21, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

**Truly, we have entered the world of "newspeak"**
Are you sure it's "we", it seems more like it's just "you"?

**a Congresswoman cannot articulate the sentiments of millions of Americans**
Oh... she articulated alright.
The problem is how everybody else reacted to her articulation.

**to say nothing of her actual constituents.**
That's probably best because, if polling data is to be believed, very few of the millions who agree with her actually live in her congressional district.

**This is not some kind of neo-McCarthyism (never mind McCarthy was right on almost every count )**
So even Joe McCarthy isn't guilty of McCarthyism?

**as McCarthy sought to levy the power of the Federal Government against anti-American sentiments.**
Define anti-American?
See, if you want the rest of us to look for something, you're going to have to tell us what it is we're looking for. We thought it was flag pins. Then Obama bought one and it wasn't flag pins anymore.
The other question I have to ask is how are you so sure the rest of us wont decide you and Ms Bachmann are "anti-American"?
**They can swarm to Alaska and crucify Palin's family,**
That was the Alaska state legislator crucifying Gov Palin, the news media just reported it.
**pillory Joe Wurzelbacher.**
Joe Wurzelbacher hopped up and said, " I'm a Plumber!"
Turns out, if he tells his customers that they could sue him, he aint a plumber. The company he wants to buy isn't worth what he said it was, nor does he have the capacity to buy it even at its lower value. In short, he perpetrated a farce.
Why do you object when that's pointed out?

**You people don't know the first thing about McCarthy and the politics of the 1950s, except that McCarthy is a "bad word". **
Really?
Is your claim that only you remember the 1950s'and Joe McCarthy? What are you a super hero or something? Besides having the one clear memory of a period hudreds of millions lived through, do you have any other super powers?

**Now we're poised to elect a Marxist **
HOLY CRAP!!!!
I thought he was just a socialist, are you empowered to elevate his threat level like that?
Turdblossum? Is that you?

Posted by: dijetlo | October 21, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

It is amazing that there are people that believe McCarthy was “correct most of the time”. Hmmm, I wonder how a State Department and Administration full of communists let one of the most historic economic (capitalist) booms happen during the Truman years. I guess the same way leftist Clinton also did. When you are losing, say the other guy is cheating (or a communist, or anti-American, or gay, or not Christian…). I was once a Republican, but saw the light and registered Independent. The republicans have had either complete control or majority control of Congress and The Administration for almost all of my life. And the middle class, civil rights, political discourse, the environment, our international standing, the national debt, etc., have all gotten worse. Only those who look at the American political tradition as a team sport that they have to win, would still vote Republican. (Like I still root for the Cubs!)

Posted by: mordecaibramblebush | October 21, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Where do the Rupuklicans dredge up these morons, and who are the idiots who vote for them? Same one's who saddled us with Bush...and too stupid to question how they made such a terrible mistake.

Posted by: michael4 | October 21, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I don't know who this Tinklenberg guy is, but I just sent him $25. It's time for decent people of all parties to cleanse the earth of scum like Bachman and the lowlife Rep. from West Palm Beach with the two mistresses.

GET OUT OF OUR HOUSE NOW!!!

Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: hoos3014 | October 21, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Un-American is a bad word? What else would you call what William Ayers has said time and again? Okay then, what euphemism would you choose, Genius? Some banal expression like "Althernative Viewpoint"? A rose by any other name...
Again, I point to the difference between what Bachmann said and McCarthyism. Bachmann is asking the free media to employ First Amendment rights and explore the Obama vis-à-vis William Ayers, et al. McCarthy sought to prosecute people with the authority of the Government (sort of like the Obama campaign threatened in MO). See the difference.

As for Fascism and Brown Shirts: I seriously doubt you even know what they are. Let me clarify: SOCIALISM. That's right, Fascism is Socialism (a government wherein the State owns the means of production: as in health care, energy, communications, education, etc.). The distinguishing feature of Fascism and Nazism is that they are based on national/ethnic/racial identity. I equate that with no political platform here in the USA, although a case can be made for rev. Wright's extreme Afrocentrist statements. Still, no one is saying Obama is a totalitarian. But his policies (supported not by his promises but by his voting record) can be seen as laying the groundwork for an all too powerful state -- one based on a new kind of politically correct bigotry against anyone who opposes the Party. Read Orwell again, and A. B. Huxley. We are on the brink. Oh, and by the way... the Big "O" is a Marxist, by any reasonable definition of the word. Specifically what kind of Marxist has yet to be determined.

Posted by: Thrasybulos | October 21, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

What is it about the Great North Midwest that breeds fascists like Joe McCarthy and Bachmann? I think she should be thoroughly investigated for un-American activities and suspicious foreign relations. She might be related to Vidkun Quizling.

Posted by: TeddyRoosevelt | October 21, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

With Bachmann as our example

Any one else notice how the only people left supporting the GOP all sound like crazy McCain lady?

Heck with his Obama is a socialist/terrorist/arab/muslim rants even McCain sounds like crazy McCain lady!

Things are getting too depressed. :-(

You need a laugh! :-D
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/update-crazy-mccain-lady-we-liked-it/768741

Posted by: walker1 | October 21, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

The thing that escapes the conservative mind is the concept of self-improvement.

When liberals refuse to accept what we are as a nation is "the greatest of all everything," as conservatives are constantly stating in one form or another("U.S.A.! U.S.A.!"), what we are stating is that the best is yet to come. We strive to do better and refuse to accept narrow, self-serving definitions of "greatness."

That drives the Republican Taliban crazy.

They don't travel, they don't sample other cultures, they don't ever get out of their echo chamber. Instead, they state with great emptiness (and an embarrassing level of ignorance) that America is the greatest of everything ever.

America has a ton of potential, but small-thinking conservatives hold us back from achieving that potential.

Maybe we should hold hearings into who is and who is not "anti-American." The results would be interesting.

Posted by: terry1960 | October 21, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

The thing that escapes the conservative mind is the concept of self-improvement.

When liberals refuse to accept what we are as a nation is "the greatest of all everything," as conservatives are constantly stating in one form or another("U.S.A.! U.S.A.!), what we are stating is that the best is yet to come. We strive to do better and refuse to accept narrow, self-serving definitions of "greatness."

That drives the Republican Taliban crazy.

They don't travel, they don't sample other cultures, they don't ever get out of their echo chamber. Instead, they state with great emptiness (and an embarrassing level of ignorance) that America is the greatest of everything ever.

America has a ton of potential, but small-thinking conservatives hold us back from achieving that potential.

Maybe we should hold hearings into who is and who is not "anti-American." The results would be interesting.

Posted by: terry1960 | October 21, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

GIVE ME THAT OLD CLINTON PROSPERITY AND TOLERANCE TOWARD AMERICANS.

WE'VE HAD ENOUGH OF THE FLIP-SIDE WITH BUSH.

Posted by: seemstome | October 21, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Zouk cries:

It's time to silence the truth. People get up in arms! act as if speaking the truth is wrong. elect the Thug from chicago!!!

-----------------

Dang. You really are screwy. Sad.

Posted by: wpost4112 | October 21, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Thrasybulos: To begin, I sincerely doubt that Michelle Bachmann speaks for millions of Americans, since the vast majority of Americans are far too intelligent to believe any of the nonsense being spewed by people like Michelle Bachmann or Sarah Palin. McCarthyism is one of the darkest periods of American history. McCarthy himself was a renegade politician who sought to advance his own misguided agenda through the use of fear, intimidation and the bully pulpit. McCarthy ruined the lives of many innocent people. It is much more accurate to analogize Michelle Bachmann with McCarthyism than it is to analogize Barack Obama with Marxism. After all, it is Michelle Bachmann that is suggesting a modern-day witch hunt for anti-Americans holding elected office.

Posted by: sdecker | October 21, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

If Bachmann wants to sniff out un-American activities, I have a good place for her to start. There is an organization whose charter is based on hatred of and secession from the United States. Its founder, Joe Vogler, literally preached terrorism for and hatred of America (that is, the United States, and when he finally died, according to his wish to "never be buried under an American flag," he was interred in Canada.

The organization is the Alaskan Independence Party [www.akip.org].

For many years now, Sarah and Todd Palin have been solid supporters of the AIP. Earlier this year, Gov. Palin made her annual speech in support of the AIP. Her endorsement is on youtube at
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI
and the same speech can also seen on the AIP website given above.

Any source of information on the AIP will confirm all the facts about the party's and its founder's principles, and the Palins' long-standing support of this party.

You betcha, Sarah!. Now I'm gonna be thinkin' that all this time you've been pallin' around with them there terrorists and America-haters.

Posted by: radicalpatriot | October 21, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Thrasybulos, did you read the book? It was viewpoints like Bachman's that ruined the world...that people should think like Big Brother, that they cannot think what they want to think and should be "outed" and "re-educated" for thinking different than "big brother."

This is the same as Bachman wanting to "out" members of congress for thinking differently...for having "anti-American views" as she puts it.

I believe that we are all pro-American and that some just voice their displeasure with failed policies more coherently than others. Sorry you are too stupid to understand.

Furthermore, even if one was to be found to be "anti-American", by the very rule of law we live under, namely the constitution and the Bill of rights, WE CAN THINK HOW WE CHOOSE WITHOUT CONSEQUENCE!

"Outing" people for thinking differently than you is giving them a consequence for thinking different.

Going on TV and offering your radical fascist agenda for all to hear and judge just before you are about to be re-elected as one of our Representatives is Bachman's decision. A stupid one, to be sure, but it was her decision and hers alone.

Go back and read your Orwell again. You have it all backwards.

Posted by: Grant_x | October 21, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Republicans have been liberal for years.

They have been liberal in their evisceration of the bill of rights.

They have been liberal in using tax money to fight a useless Iraq war.

They have been liberal in their use of deregulation to collapse and bankrupt the financial structure of America.

They have been very liberal with words like patriotism to cover their actions.

Obama seems conservative by comparison.

Posted by: seemstome | October 21, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

This country is truly on the brink of a serious culture war that may spill in to something more serious, God forbid. I'm fed up with the condescending arrogance of people like Thrasybulos and the conservative minions like him/her. Who do you all think you are? You wouldn't know a Marxist from a Fascist if they both lived in your closet. If you did, you'd see that we already elected a Marxist/Socialist under the guise of a Republican. His name is George W. Bush who just nationalized half the banks in this country. And you dare sit on your high horse and accuse those of us who support Obama and want him as President as having "no historical consciousness"? You don't even know "current events" let alone your history. Call me anti-American if you want because if you and yours have got the monopoly on the definition of America, than I'm as Anti as they come.

Posted by: ewoh24 | October 21, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Oh, no, the dictator of a Latin American country that supplies a lot of our oil ... is interested in getting lower income households and the homeless to vote?

That's the best you have? Really?

Posted by: yankervitch | October 21, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Rovians mistakenly believe that American voters, like the lemming evangelicals they pander to with Palin, will believe anything a Republican incumbent says just like Dobsonites believe any hate spewed from their rich old fart "prophet" in Colorado Springs.

Let's hope they remain typically delusional and don't figure this out until at least after November 4.

Helluvah job, Karlie.

Posted by: coloradodog | October 21, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

So Michelle Bachmann decided to talk like an idiot, and some of you here have to nerve to say SHE is getting CENSORED!
WRONG!
It's DEMOCRACY IN ACTION!
The American public is SICK of the corrupted politics that Psycho B!t(h Michelle Bachmann represents, thanks for opening your mouth so we could see what a NUTCASE you really are!
I thank God that other more professional LEADERS can still take the "high road", while the RepubliSCUMS get a dose of THEIR OWN MEDICINE! What we have here is a fine example of poetic justice! Also "What goes around comes around" , and from The Bible, "Reap what you sow".
Maybe after the election these two KooKoo Birds Michelle Bachmann & Sara Palin can open up a NUT FARM TOGETHER!!

Posted by: Reality_Bytes | October 21, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

"In summation, none of these tracking polls are perfect, although Rasmussen -- with its large sample size and high pollster rating -- would probably be the one I'd want with me on a desert island. Conversely, the only one of the trackers that I consider obviously dubious is Zogby."

No wonder the zouk guy seems to like Zogby. He has the id of a five year old.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 21, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

One last time, I promise.

Check out this video of Islamic McCain Supporters confronting a Racist McCain Bumper sticker salesman, Hilarious:


http://liesliesmorelies.blogspot.com/2008/10/racist-mccain-rally-goers-7-mccain.html

Posted by: Snakeheader | October 21, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Some one should ask Sarah Palin if Alaska is one of those anti-American places, since Todd Palin was a member of the Alaska Independence Party which advocates succession from the United States. Most of its member refused to be called Americans, they say they are Alaskans and oh yeah, and did I mention how Sarah Palin spoke twice to the Alaska Independence Party's convention saying how she "shared their values?"

Now who is truly anti-American? Rev. Jeremiah Wright dropped out of college to enlist in the Vietnam War, did two tours, won medals came back and was on the medical team that saved the life of President Lyndon Johnson after he had a heart attack. Did Rush Limbaugh, Dick Cheney, Sean Hannity, or Bill O'Reilly love their country enough to do any of that?

Posted by: SinnedNoir | October 21, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

So we have here a true representation of the modern Republican. When your opponent has no position to stand on, and no intelligent argument, they attack. The Republicans have long campaigned against intelligence. They attack educators and the press, and nominate people of questionable intelligence to office. They attack their opponents as "elitists" simply because they are intelligent and educated. They fear intelligence. Other countries embrace intelligence. Notice how Europe is fairing? How is it that they respond so much better?

And why are the educators of this country "liberal?" They are the ones who are not only intelligent, but they have chosen a life of service ahead of greed. They want to make our future better, and the Repubs attack them for it! Wake up America!

Posted by: Ormsfang | October 21, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

"Meanwhile battleground has Mac up by one nationwide. Other polls out today reveal that FL, OH and MO are now in Macs column. NC was never in play, a fantasy."

Today's polls show McCain winning in Wyoming, Kentucky, and Oklahoma.

But hey, I'm sure McCain is going to get a poll showing he is winning NC any day now. I'm not seeing the polls that show McCain winning Ohio, Florida, or Missouri.

This is what I love about Republicans. They think just by saying something, it becomes true. It's like they're five years old!

Posted by: DDAWD | October 21, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Michelle Brachmann was an appalling embarrassment not only to the Republican party but to humanity itself. She and her ilk including Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh are vile throwbacks to the worst our country has to offer.

She deserves to be booted from office for her revolting and undemocratic views. I sent in 25 dollars to her opponent's campaign although I don't live in Minnesota.

I am however grateful to Brachmann for increasing the likelihood that Obama will take the White House two weeks from now. Way to go Michelle!

Posted by: dee5 | October 21, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Straight out of 1984.

Should we send all of our anti-Americans to the ministry of truth, and have them re-educated?

Are the thought police on their way to get me right now?

After we check our representatives, senators, judges, and executives at the federal level, we can do it at the state level, then the city level. After that, all of the government entities such as public school teachers and professors, then on to the people!

We'll all love America and the freedoms we posess for sure after that!

Posted by: Grant_x | October 21, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I for one am an American who voted with my dollars against all that Michele Bachmann represents. I'd never heard of her opponent, Elwyn Tinklenberg, prior to Ms. Bachmann's laying her smear on Barack Obama.

But I went directly to his website and donated $25.

It is high time that Americans come to recognize what it is when conservatives toss around this notion that liberals are somehow less than "real" American; what they are doing is a form of psychological projection. Their fear of the very liberal values that this great nation was founded on makes THEM the anti-Americans.

But we liberals have held back on using that smear, because we are liberal, high-minded and, like our Founders, open to a broad range of interpretations.

However, maybe we liberals, the true lovers of America and all that it can be, have allowed the spreaders of hate go too far one time too many (since, at a minimum, the Red Scare of 1919). Maybe it is time that we begin hearings on the anti-American tendencies of our nation's theocratic right wing, the Republican Taliban.

Posted by: terry1960 | October 21, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

This is the direct result of McCain and Palin appealing to the neo-fascist element of the republican party. It has emboldened bigots and encouraged McCarthyists all across the country to ask the impossible and to try to judge the unknowable. What is patriotism?
Who is more patriotic?
John Lewis knew that this was the case when he said McCain was "sowing the seeds of hatred."
It looks like one of those seeds flew right in the crack of Michelle Bachmann's buttocks.
Time to put a stop to this before it sprouts.

Posted by: seemstome | October 21, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Even the complaints of conservatives are now sounding old...they have no platform to run on but accusing others of being "anti-american", so they bash the "liberal media" when they get called on their ugliness...and to the moron who suggests this is NOT McArthy like...it is down that very path. Un-"American" sounds suspiciously like the House on Un-American Activities (HUAC) that was set up to prosecute citizens of this country for their personal, political beliefs during the reign of fascists like Joe McCarthy. I cant give Bachman that much credit, because she probably has no clue what Fascism means...
Being from the Twin Cities myself, the people of this state have watched this clueless neophyte who makes Sarah Palin look like a qualified candidate spew this kind of garbage for years as a state representative before her misguided constituency elected her to Congress. She is a Stepford-Wife who should stay in the era of June Cleaver and let those of us who live in the 21st Century move our nation forward...Patriotism is the last bastion to which a scoundrel clings...

I hope Tinklenberg knocks her out so we can be rid of her for good!

Posted by: rjsnyder | October 21, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I expect that the Libs will hold themselves to the Wright/Ayers/Rezco/Mahoney/Dodd/Frank/Wrangle/Jefferson/ACORN standard.

yep, that's what I thought.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I for one am an American who voted with my dollars against all that Michele Bachmann represents. I'd never heard of her opponent, Elwyn Tinklenberg, prior to Ms. Bachmann's laying her smear on Barack Obama.

But I went directly to his website and donated $25.

It is high time that Americans come to recognize what it is when conservatives toss around this notion that liberals are somehow less than "real" American; what they are doing is a form of psychological projection. Their fear of the very liberal values that this great nation was founded on makes THEM the anti-Americans.

But we liberals have held back on using that smear, because we are liberal, high-minded and, like our Founders, open to a broad range of interpretations.

However, maybe we liberals, the true lovers of America and all that it can be, have allowed the spreaders of hate go too far one time too many (since, at a minimum, the Red Scare of 1919). Maybe it is time that we begin hearings on the anti-American tendencies of our nation's theocratic right wing, the Republican Taliban.

Posted by: terry1960 | October 21, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I hope that you "Real" Americans will leave us "Regular" Americans alone. I love this country simply because anyone no matter how highly educated they maybe will eventually fall flat on their face. I don't think rep Bachmann would consider me a real american I am one of those nega-americans...You know the polarized version of all those real americans in all those small towns all across the nation that highly skilled workers are flocking too.

Posted by: Penseur | October 21, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

"Truly, we have entered the world of "newspeak" when a Congresswoman cannot articulate the sentiments of millions of Americans, to say nothing of her actual constituents."

The pig you are defending hates you and hates your country, but you are oblivious to it. Do you have any kind words for bin Laden and Ahmadinejad, too?

Posted by: bondjedi | October 21, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Clearly, if New York and NoVA are not part of real America, 9/11 had no impact on the lives of real Americans.

If you truly believe in a real America, the above statement should make perfect sense to you. Bachmann and the rest of the national GOP operation talking about "real" America should be axed pronto. I'm a Democrat and the schadenfreude doesn't outweigh the awkwardness that accompanies "real" conservatives realizing that they've made bedfellows with the xenophobes in this country.

Posted by: yankervitch | October 21, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Get Bachman and the rest of her self-serving, un-scientific, wing-nut, NEO-CON ideological scum pals OUT of GOVERNMENT forever!

Here is a good yard stick to use when undecided about a candidate:

...If Rush Limbaugh the drug addict hypocrite supports them...SUPPORT AMERICAN FREEDOM AND VOTE AGAINST THEM!

Posted by: onestring | October 21, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Time to call these right wing, jingoistic, nationistic, jack booted, brown shirted, crypto fascists what they are:

BedBugs!

They are annoying but not fatal; there are always a few in the dirtiest places; they're hard to get rid of (but can be eradicated) and are associated with poor hygiene.

So I propose that we begin to label all the Michele Bachmann's (and fellow travelers) "Bed Bugs". Maybe someone can post to Wikipedia and send to a few well read blogs. In a few weeks we can have a recognized and derisive term for these people that properly defines their (increasingly) weird views

Posted by: joelpalmer | October 21, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of Bachmann and Evangelicals (they're not, they're Fundimentaists and not even Christians) I received a "Christian Voters Guide" the other day. Now, this stinking piece of trash is published by right wing lunatics that are so nonrerpestative of Christ, that it boggles the mind, but the main issue is how on earth are some of these churches able to jump into politics and retain their tax exempt status? Chris, the money behind this are the same swine that brought us the SWIFT BOATERS. Now, chruches would have had to have provided these people with membership lists and help. Can't we identify who they are and jerk their exempt tax status?

Posted by: mibrooks27 | October 21, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0rUBomKvY0

Says Michele Bachmann:

1) Women should be submissive to their husbands.
2) God told her to run for Congress

Don't believe me?
Watch the video of her saying it (linked above).

And spread the word.

Donate to her opponent here ($800,000 has already been raised to oust her from office):

http://www.tinklenberg08.com/

Posted by: chips_gf | October 21, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Some of us are old enough to remember the 1950s it was a very frightening time. I'm not going to say that Joe McCarthy was right on everything, but our country was being infiltrated by communists, and fortunately we had courageous people willing to stand up for America at that time.

Now it's happening again, but people have forgotten their history lessons. But not Rep. Bachmann who doesn't care if its politically incorrect to call them what they are.

Now why is it so hard to see the Chavaz-ACORN link? He has the means, he has the motive and he hates America. Their is a lot of information out on the radio and the internet on this topic, if you care to find out the truth.

Posted by: CountryFirst | October 21, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

"The left-wing Socialists, the Obamanistas, and the Democratic Party--controlled MSM has specialized in moral equivalence that we in America need to be held to the highest standard, but then portray our country, our elected leaders, our Intelligence Service, and our military as nothing more than terrorists. The actual terrorists though, they give them a free pass."
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The answer is simple: we hold ourselves, as Americans, and our country to a higher standard than those for "actual terrorists." Now, that's something to be patriotic about.

Posted by: SwingState | October 21, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

The people have spoken. To the tune of $800,000 in Minnesota and $150 million nationally to fight facism.

Posted by: CHICO13 | October 21, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Jesus. Another Palinesque lightweight jams her foot down her esophagus.

Thanks to chips_gf for the post about write-in candidate Aubrey Immelman, who will hopefully split the Republican vote enough to ensure a Tinklenberg victory in two weeks.

As for Thrasybulos...you are indeed a man of your time...I'd say about late 15th century...1492 to be exact...nope, not Columbus folks...rather, the start of the Spanish Inquisition.

cheers ya'll

Posted by: antlerson | October 21, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Truly, we have entered the world of "newspeak" when a Congresswoman cannot articulate the sentiments of millions of Americans, to say nothing of her actual constituents. This is not some kind of neo-McCarthyism (never mind McCarthy was right on almost every count ), as McCarthy sought to levy the power of the Federal Government against anti-American sentiments. What Bachmann is calling for is to have the journalists DO THEIR JOBs. They can swarm to Alaska and crucify Palin's family, pillory Joe Wurzelbacher. But if a Congresswoman calls for investigation into the actual associations of a Presidential frontrunner, it's McCarthyism? Puhleeeez! You people don't know the first thing about McCarthy and the politics of the 1950s, except that McCarthy is a "bad word". Half of America has no historical consciousness, and worse, still, most of them have been brainwashed by their Leftist educators. But it's all they have, and wrongheaded as it is, they'll cling to it with a religious zeal sans faith. Sad. Now we're poised to elect a Marxist -- a Marxist of all things. How far we have fallen, indeed.

Posted by: Thrasybulos | October 21, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

The new BUZZ WORD seams to be “SOCAILIST” .Any body disagrees with you they are now labeled a “socialist”, socialist,socialist,socialist,socialist. Hay everyone what do you think the bush administration has done in the past month with just are banking system in this country, well you better go get a dictionary.

Posted by: pragman | October 21, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

What we don't like about her: She makes divisive and hateful comments about her fellow Americans.
What we do: She's stupid enough to make them on national TV.

Posted by: keller1 | October 21, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

"We should all thank Chris Matthews for helping America see how much of a Nut job this woman really is. She makes Katherine Harris look like a Liberal."

LOL I thought that WAS Katherine Harris.

Posted by: lorax2 | October 21, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

The republicans mind is a little bit like the religious mind : you start with a belief, and you hear, see, and understand everything through the prism of that belief. You hear what reinforces your belief, and you are blind and deaf to what questions it. This woman is in fear of Obama, because she cannot understand the facts, and the timeline of the facts. She mingles it all up. It is like watching a child trying to get to grips with a mathematical equation that is too complicated. This woman is essentially very confused. The republican are now the most "Conspiracy Theorists" we have ever seen. It of course started with G W Bush and Iraq. The republicans psychology is paranoid. It sees enemy were they aren't any. What they say is just showing how far gone they are. This woman should be interviewed by a psychologist, not a news reader. She is deluded, in fear, unable to connect facts in their relative relevance, and needs help.

Posted by: raphaelraphael | October 21, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Truly, we have entered the world of "newspeak" when a Congresswoman cannot articulate the sentiments of millions of Americans, to say nothing of her actual constituents. This is not some kind of neo-McCarthyism (never mind McCarthy was right on almost every count ), as McCarthy sought to levy the power of the Federal Government against anti-American sentiments. What Bachmann is calling for is to have the journalists DO THEIR JOBs. They can swarm to Alaska and crucify Palin's family, pillory Joe Wurzelbacher. But if a Congresswoman calls for investigation into the actual associations of a Presidential frontrunner, it's McCarthyism? Puhleeeez! You people don't know the first thing about McCarthy and the politics of the 1950s, except that McCarthy is a "bad word". Half of America has no historical consciousness, and worse, still, most of them have been brainwashed by their Leftist educators. But it's all they have, and wrongheaded as it is, they'll cling to it like with a religious zeal sans faith. Sad. Now we're poised to elect a Marxist -- a Marxist of all things. How far we have fallen, indeed

Posted by: Thrasybulos | October 21, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0rUBomKvY0

Says Michele Bachmann:

1) Women should be submissive to their husbands.
2) God told her to run for Congress

Don't believe me?
Watch the video of her saying it (linked above).

And spread the word.

Posted by: chips_gf | October 21, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Truly, we have entered the world of "newspeak" when a Congresswoman cannot articulate the sentiments of millions of Americans, to say nothing of her actual constituents. This is not some kind of neo-McCarthyism (never mind McCarthy was right on almost every count ), as McCarthy sought to levy the power of the Federal Government against anti-American sentiments. What Bachmann is calling for is to have the journalists DO THEIR JOBs. They can swarm to Alaska and crucify Palin's family, pillory Joe Wurzelbacher. But if a Congresswoman calls for investigation into the actual associations of a Presidential frontrunner, it's McCarthyism? Puhleeeez! You people don't know the first thing about McCarthy and the politics of the 1950s, except that McCarthy is a "bad word". Half of America has no historical consciousness, and worse, still, most of them have been brainwashed by their Leftist educators. But it's all they have, and wrongheaded as it is, they'll cling to it like with a religious zeal sans faith. Sad. Now we're poised to elect a Marxist -- a Marxist of all things. How far we have fallen, indeed

Posted by: Thrasybulos | October 21, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I think everyone has pretty much said what needs to be said about Michele Bachmann-McCarthy and Reverend Wright, except for one thing and that is this. Assume that you are a middle class to poor white person driving with your children in an older car in the dead of winter and your car quits on you either in front of Reverend Wright's church or home or in front Michele Bachmann-McCarthy's Office or home. Now assuming that there are no cameras of any kind around give me an answer about which one these two people you honestly think would be most likely to help you and your children get you out of this predicament.

I am a white man who's niece was murdered by a black. I have more emotional excuses to hate black people than most white people have, yet I am voting for Obama. I also believe that given the situation I described above I would much prefer to take my chances on Reverend Wright helping my family in a time of crisis than Michele Bachmann-McCarthy. The reason is very simple. That's what he does every day of his life, while all she does is spew fear, greed, selfishness and hate.

Posted by: RW89052 | October 21, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

What an absolute shame and embarrasment it must be for intellectually honest conservatives to be Republicans today.

Their party has been hijacked by retards, religious zealots, idiots, fearmongering and an assorment of assjacks that have left it morally and intellectually bankrupt.

Posted by: VeloStrummer | October 21, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

For members of Minnesota's 6th district, there is now another much more moderate Republican in the mix. Aubrey Immelman has filed to run as write-in candidate. He was Bachmann's opponent in the primaries and was rightly appalled at Bachmann's comments. As a constituent of the 6th district, I am happy to have a more moderate conservative candidate to vote for.

http://www.startribune.com/politics/31412049.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUr

Posted by: chips_gf | October 21, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I'm a Minnesotan (not her district, thankfully) and having followed her since her days in the State House I'm not at all surprised. She has always been a bit of a screwball who's words or actions draw attention to herself.

There are some posts wondering how she got elected in the first place. The fact that she is profoundly and vocally Evangelical probably helped. It was an open seat in a conservative district. Her opponent was a relative political novice famous for activism on children's issues but otherwise something of an unknown.

Posted by: pdech | October 21, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

The horror she must be experiencing to know her unfiltered commentary that was supposed to propel McCain into the presidency instead puts her own cushy congressional seat in jeopardy. According to the lunatic fringe on the right, nearly every Democrat is un-American.

Posted by: BlueTwo1 | October 21, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Get used to it America. This election will be stolen, through scare tactics, & fraud. The RNC knows that the average American is weak, scared (keep them that way), spineless, stupid, and easily led. They play that violin like a maestro. Then we have the closet bigots who will step forward in two weeks. America is so self-righteous it's pathetic. The rest of the world quakes in their boots at the thought of another admistration hell-bent on war and submission. Another angle to the scare tactic agenda. Respect is only useful when it is driven by fear. And America should then be further marginalized after the idiots have spoken. Conservatism is anti-human!

Posted by: ticnatz | October 21, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Oh for God's sake enough of this "Marxist" crap. THIS kind of craziness is what millions of Americans are sick of; if Obama is a Marxist-Socialist, then he's in good company with John McCain, who just voted in favor of "redistributing the wealth" from American taxpayers to the banking industry. And check out the refundability of his $5000 credit healthcare plans ... if all of it isn't used, recipients qualify for a cash refund for the difference ... MORE SOCIALISM!

Now who's left "Joe the Plumber" twisting in the wind?

Quit relying on Rush and Sean to give you your answers and go find them yourself.

Posted by: drew4 | October 21, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Just when you think it can't get any worse for McCain and the GOP, in walks Michelle Bachmann. What I want to know is: If you're going to say something so spectacularly stupid as "Absolutely, I'm very concerned that [Barack Obama] has anti-American views," why not just apologize and admit you made a mistake? Instead, Bachmann tells lies upon lies to cover up her hateful speech. People like Michelle Bachmann, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Andy Martin, etc. are the people that are turning many Republicans into independents. Most Americans -- liberal or conservative; Democrat or Republican -- do not think the way that Michelle Bachmann & Friends think. Most Americans do not believe Senator Obama to be anti-American. Such a notion is nonsensical and is, itself, anti-American. McCain and the Republican party should tell Bachmann and others like her in the party to button their lips until November 5. Otherwise, Obama won't just win ... he'll win by a landslide.

Posted by: sdecker | October 21, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Even the complaints of conservatives are now sounding old...they have no platform to run on but accusing others of being "anti-american", so they bash the "liberal media" when they get called on their ugliness...and to the moron who suggests this is NOT McArthy like...it is down that very path. Un-"American" sounds suspiciously like the House on Un-American Activities (HUAC) that was set up to prosecute citizens of this country for their personal, political beliefs during the reign of fascists like Joe McCarthy. I cant give Bachman that much credit, because she probably has no clue what Fascism means...
Being from the Twin Cities myself, the people of this state have watched this clueless neophyte who makes Sarah Palin look like a qualified candidate spew this kind of garbage for years as a state representative before her misguided constituency elected her to Congress. She is a Stepford-Wife who should stay in the era of June Cleaver and let those of us who live in the 21st Century move our nation forward...Patriotism is the last bastion to which a scoundrel clings...

I hope Tinklenberg knocks her out so we can be rid of her for good!

Posted by: rjsnyder | October 21, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

It's time to silence the truth. People get up in arms! act as if speaking the truth is wrong. elect the Thug from chicago!!!

In case you forgot - socialism is anti-american. surrender is anti-american. protectionism is anti- american. high taxes are anti-american. big government is anti-american. racism is anti- american. vote buying is anti- american. cheating at the ballot box is anti-american. blowing up the Pentagon is anti-american. running with slum lords is anti- american. lining your pockets while fleecing the flock is anti-american. voting to kill live babies is anti-american.

Note: asking a mystery candidate a question he was not ready to lie about is all-american. attacking the questioner is not.

summary - Liberal politics are anti- american.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Earlier in the season, I contributed to Obama and also to Al Franken's campaign.

Recently, I also contributed to Jim Martin (running against Saxby Chambliss in GA) and Tinklenberg.

Let's turn Karl Rove's dream upside down and create a Democratic majority in Congress that will last a generation:

http://www.martinforsenate.com/home.html

http://www.tinklenberg08.com/

Posted by: Bondosan | October 21, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

For members of Minnesota's 6th district, there is now another much more moderate Republican in the mix. Aubrey Immelman has filed to run as write-in candidate. He was Bachmann's opponent in the primaries two years ago and was rightly appalled at Bachmann's comments. As a constituent of the 6th district, I am happy to have a more moderate conservative candidate to vote for.

http://www.startribune.com/politics/31412049.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUr

Posted by: chips_gf | October 21, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I just sent a contribution to Bachmanns opponent (Tinklenburg) and as soon as I can find a place to send $$ to her Reublican write in candidate, I sending hin $$ too!

She is a vile and ccontemptible human being partly because she (and the cretins on this blog who support her and McCarthy) cannot understand that anti-Repoublican is not anti-American. To her and the crypto fascists of the flat earth right it is all the same thing; you are either for us or you are "with the terrorists"

Posted by: joelpalmer | October 21, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Michelle,
I sent you $100. I saw the interview when it was originally aired. Your statements made me think about what Anti-American views mean to me. I realized that I have several friends and associates that hold Anti-American views, even though they wouldn't consider calling them that. Funny though, I realize that anyone talking against Obama must be censored, shut down. It's a shame.

Posted by: sukkie34 | October 21, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

I am now convinced that Chris Mathews is Anti-American.

Posted by: mhclaremont | October 21, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

The onslaught of modernity continues to pose an overwhelming assault on the right wing psyche, with tragedy striking the strongest [individuals] most particularly. I wish I could laugh maniacally on the sidelines but some of these people are very dear to me and many more are key to the continued smooth functioning of our consumer driven society. I for one still have about a half dozen major purchases to make before I go socialist! Anyway get well soon Righties! Don't believe great-grandma. It's not 1980 anymore, it's 2008. Just put the cursor over the time in the lower right hand corner of your computer monitor and you'll see I'm right.

Posted by: landk3 | October 21, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Where does the GOP get these bimbos? Nobody could write this stuff. So I guess that those who I served with during the Viet Nam era and died were anti-American if they did not have the same values and beliefs as the folks that make up the GOP. So many of these neo-Nazis are more than happy to send other people's children off to war and never served them selves. People like 6 deferment Dick.

Posted by: chopin224 | October 21, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Zouk blathers:
Actually, those leadership questions have been answered already by three leading Democrats (before they could taste the perks from their alignment with the Democratic presidential nominee).
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Hmm. I guess that's why leading conservatives and Republicans thinks he's beter qualified to lead than McC?


And Repubs had nothing good to say about McC before his nomination.

So what?

Ron Christie pirouettes again.

Posted by: wpost4112 | October 21, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Responding to "Country First" who wrote:

"Well what do you know, another media hit job on a courageous politician who is willing to speak the truth! And the reaction is so strong, it tells you that the anti-american socialists who are trying to take over are scared. If they didn't have nothing to hide, they wouldn't mind being investigated. And another thing that is not being widely reported is that Hugo Chavaz is bankrolling a lot of these so-called donations to her opponent. I just wish the media would report the facts here."

OK, you know what, Mr. Country First? You haven't placed your Country Frst with this bizarre comment. You have placed your own uninformed delusions first, at the shameful expense of your Country! What sort of warmed over McCarthyism did you have in mind when you said, "Oh well, if they didn't have nothing to hide [try some grammar next time], they wouldn't mind being investigated." Ever heard of the Bill of Rights? And the brave people who fought a Revolutionay War 200+ years ago to stand up for those Rights?!

And when you wish for the media to investigate the facts, do you HAVE any facts to support your otherwise paranoid fantasy that Hugo Chavez is behind the donations to the opponent of this fool Bachman who somehow faked her way into the House of Representatives??

By the way, there are no "anti-American socialists" in America, other than in the propaganda of Talk Radio, which you have apparently allowed yourself to be manipulated by. There are only Americans who exercise their right (like you are doing) to agree or disagree with their government. And for you to so clumsily call that into question is downright Un-American.

"Country First" indeed! I'm afraid you have stooped to the level of America's greatest enemies by spewing forth this blather. Joe McCarthy was a traitor (look him up if you don't know who I'm talking about) and you now choose to walk in his brain-dead shadow! . . . what a shame.

Posted by: PaulinSanJose | October 21, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

As you enter the voting booth, ask yourself this:

At a time of such national crisis, when our highest priority must be getting this nation back on its feet and making us whole again, can we afford to give someone as hateful, irrational, and out of control as Michelle Bachman a voice in Congress?

I urge you to vote accordingly.

Posted by: MortyR | October 21, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

For members of Minnesota's 6th district, there is now another much more moderate Republican in the mix. Aubrey Immelman has filed to run as write-in candidate. He was Bachmann's opponent in the primaries two years ago and was rightly appalled at Bachmann's comments. As a constituent of the 6th district, I am happy to have a more moderate conservative candidate to vote for.

http://www.startribune.com/politics/31412049.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUr

Posted by: chips_gf | October 21, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Thrasybulos wrote:
"Truly, we have entered the world of "newspeak" when a Congresswoman cannot articulate the sentiments of millions of Americans"

If those are the sentiments of millions of Americans, then we've got millions of potential brown shirts. Don't worry, when our people come to power we'll have them all re-educated.

Posted by: VMR1 | October 21, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

At a time of such national crisis, when our highest priority must be getting this nation back on its feet and making us whole again, can we afford to give a hateful, irrational individual such as Michelle Bachman a voice in Congress? The answer is clearly NO!

Posted by: MortyR | October 21, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Beginning sentences with "But," .... There should be no comma. You do this all the time, Chris. Also there should be no comma if you begin the sentence with "And" or "Or".

Posted by: stumpff |
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Actually, it depends on the phrasing. E.g. "But you insist on..." or "But, like all wingnuts, you insist on...".

Posted by: lgaide | October 21, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

At a time of such national crisis, when our highest priority must be getting this nation back on its feet and making us whole again, can we afford to give a hateful, irrational individual such as Michelle Bachman a voice in Congress? The answer is clearly NO!

Posted by: MortyR | October 21, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Thrasybulos- Please post ONE THING McCarthy was right on. You must be kidding!
Talk about revisionist history.

Posted by: Hoffmann1 | October 21, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Check Bachmann's background: Degree from Oral Roberts Univ. law school (folded); husband with a degree from Regent Univ.(Remember the Pat Roberts disciples mentioned in connection with Bush Justice Dept. problems?). It seems the partisan "justice" of Bush-Cheney-Gonzales-Monica Goodling is also the McCain-Todd/Sarah Palin standard of ethics. So Bachmann thought a Hardball appearance would be great on her resume for Attorney General. Now we hope "the girls" who formed the Far-Right Right wing of the GOP have fallen off the edge of their flat-world platform where it is said, "There be dragons."

Posted by: nlersch | October 21, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

the people that say she "[spoke] the truth" are having a tough time understanding what the problem is. You are not safe either with a though-police government. This is called McCarthy-ism. You should look this up. PLEASE GOD, DO SOME DAMN RESEARCH.

And for those who say that the liberals are "hate mongers" or whatever--many of us only recently began to "hate" republican tactics. I don't hate you personally, I don't think you have a brain between your ears, but I don't hate you.

Posted by: mommy11 | October 21, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

In the words of Jack Nicholson in "As Good As It Gets'-

"Sell crazy someplace else. We're all stocked up here."

Posted by: kguy1 | October 21, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Truly, we have entered the world of "newspeak" when a Congresswoman cannot articulate the sentiments of millions of Americans, to say nothing of her actual constituents. This is not some kind of neo-McCarthyism (never mind McCarthy was right on almost every count ), as McCarthy sought to levy the power of the Federal Government against anti-American sentiments. What Bachmann is calling for is to have the journalists DO THEIR JOBs. They can swarm to Alaska and crucify Palin's family, pillory Joe Wurzelbacher. But if a Congresswoman calls for investigation into the actual associations of a Presidential frontrunner, it's McCarthyism? Puhleeeez! You people don't know the first thing about McCarthy and the politics of the 1950s, except that McCarthy is a "bad word". Half of America has no historical consciousness, and worse, still, most of them have been brainwashed by their Leftist educators. But it's all they have, and wrongheaded as it is, they'll cling to it like with a religious zeal sans faith. Sad. Now we're poised to elect a Marxist -- a Marxist of all things. How far we have fallen, indeed

Posted by: Thrasybulos | October 21, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Michelle Bachman is a Jack Booted Nazi Pig Sow with lipstick.

Posted by: VeloStrummer | October 21, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

brainwashed by their Leftist educators

>>>

that should read : educated by their Leftist brainwashers

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm from Texas.

I just sent a contribution to Bachmann's opponent. Maybe the voters of her district will send her packing.


Posted by: smalltowngirl1 | October 21, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

I remember the McCarthy days when he was ranting and waving about all the communists in the government. And everyone said he was a nut. Well Harry Hopkins, Roosevelt's right hand man was one as well as many others.Loo it up. I do think that Obama will withdraw US support from Israel and side with PLO. Remember, there's no free lunch unless you vote for Obama.

Posted by: williewiskers | October 21, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

The plain truth of the situation is Bush and the republicans have spent there time in office F-cking the American people in the a$$--cut and dry, and now we are supposed to trust them.Theese ignorant pieces of human waist honestly believe the electorate will continue to fall for this garbage so they may stay in power-FEAR-GUNS- GOD-GAYS “go team go”

Posted by: pragman | October 21, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

ruralamericans, armpeg...

stupid people like you give conservatism a bad name. You seem to be from the Lemming Party, sucking soundbites, talking points and labels as if they were gospel. When you get an education, perhaps you'll learn how embarrassed you should be of your idiot comments.

Posted by: michael4 | October 21, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

She's has a site devoted to her: http://dumpbachmann.blogspot.com/
Get rid of this Half Wit.

Posted by: Hoffmann1 | October 21, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Truly, we have entered the world of "newspeak" when a Congresswoman cannot articulate the sentiments of millions of Americans, to say nothing of her actual constituents. This is not some kind of neo-McCarthyism (never mind McCarthy was right on almost every count ), as McCarthy sought to levy the power of the Federal Government against anti-American sentiments. What Bachmann is calling for is to have the journalists DO THEIR JOBs. They can swarm to Alaska and crucify Palin's family, pillory Joe Wurzelbacher. But if a Congresswoman calls for investigation into the actual associations of a Presidential frontrunner, it's McCarthyism? Puhleeeez! You people don't know the first thing about McCarthy and the politics of the 1950s, except that McCarthy is a "bad word". Half of America has no historical consciousness, and worse, still, most of them have been brainwashed by their Leftist educators. But it's all they have, and wrongheaded as it is, they'll cling to it like with a religious zeal sans faith. Sad. Now we're poised to elect a Marxist -- a Marxist of all things. How far we have fallen, indeed.

Posted by: Thrasybulos | October 21, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Her comments were judged correctly.
The only anti-American here is Bachmann. The only thing she left out were
her JACKBOOTS. She appears to be ignorant of the history of our Great
country and the era of Joseph McCarthy. She would have you believe that
liberals are anti-American and unpatriotic. This is blatant stupidity. In
reality it is her views that smack of Fascism. She even suspects that many
members of congress are unAmerican and should be given patriotism tests
by the media. Perhaps Fox news would help her out. What a laugh that would be. We’ve not seen the likes of these New Republicans since the 50’s, like the discredited Republican Joseph McCarthy. If ever a miscreant needed to be kicked out of congress it’s this woman and those like her that would divide the country and create internal dangers to our liberties. I find that with extremist views such as these that it would be very uncertain as to whether she could operate with the best interests of the country in mind.

Posted by: IRemember | October 21, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Dear Michelle Bachmann.


You are another flying monkey right dysfunctional Republican talking head who is destroying any respectability of the Republican Party.

Let me be more clear, Michelle Bachmann, your a mindless red neck bra stretching sling shot nutter!


I think I have had enough and decide with Democrates for a change.

Actually I just decided yes to Obama.
I feel good!

Posted by: Kimmo1 | October 21, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Out of curiosity, what is WP's policy on which racial slurs are OK to publish verbatim, and which ones deserve some level of cens**ship?

Posted by: lally_singh | October 21, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Truly, we have entered the world of "newspeak" when a Congresswoman cannot articulate the sentiments of millions of Americans, to say nothing of her actual constituents. This is not some kind of neo-McCarthyism (never mind McCarthy was right on almost every count ), as McCarthy sought to levy the power of the Federal Government against anti-American sentiments. What Bachmann is calling for is to have the journalists DO THEIR JOBs. They can swarm to Alaska and crucify Palin's family, pillory Joe Wurzelbacher. But if a Congresswoman calls for investigation into the actual associations of a Presidential frontrunner, it's McCarthyism? Puhleeeez! You people don't know the first thing about McCarthy and the politics of the 1950s, except that McCarthy is a "bad word". Half of America has no historical consciousness, and worse, still, most of them have been brainwashed by their Leftist educators. But it's all they have, and wrongheaded as it is, they'll cling to it like with a religious zeal sans faith. Sad. Now we're poised to elect a Marxist -- a Marxist of all things. How far we have fallen, indeed.

Posted by: Thrasybulos | October 21, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I see absolutely nothing wrong with what she said, nor do I see anything wrong with what the robocall said. Chris, your leftist slant on who America is blinds you to just how off center your take on these two events are. What specific portions do you object to? The fact that Barack has close associations with these people? The fact that Barack is the US senator who is the farthest to the left? Chris, only someone with your slanted view of the world would think that Bachmann is in some kind of trouble.

Posted by: guythompto | October 21, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Michelle Bachman, congratulations on putting your foot in your mouth. Good job.

Posted by: TaoZen | October 21, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

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The problem is that Obama's background does not lend credence to his words, and his word and back-tracking speaks for itself.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 21, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

don't believe me, consult your own peeps:


Is Obama crisis-leadership qualified? Will he truly be ready Jan. 20 to assume the helm of our country?

Actually, those leadership questions have been answered already by three leading Democrats (before they could taste the perks from their alignment with the Democratic presidential nominee). Obama's own running mate, Sen. Joe Biden, replied only months ago about whether Obama is ready for the presidency: "Right now I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training." Then he later told George Stephanopoulos, "I stand by the statement." Biden was right.

Before Obama was her party's choice, Hillary Clinton repeatedly proved him to be an indecisive waffler who couldn't or wouldn't be pinned down on any issues. Hillary was right.

Even former President Bill Clinton dodged having to give an affirmative answer to an ABC correspondent when asked whether Obama is ready to be president by saying, "You can argue that no one is ready to be president." Another smooth answer, Bill. The fact is he totally understands that Obama is not ready.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Her comments were judged correctly.
The only anti-American here is Bachmann. The only thing she left out were her JACKBOOTS. She appears to be ignorant of the history of our Great country and the era of Joseph McCarthy. She would have you believe that liberals are anti-American and unpatriotic. This is blatant stupidity. In reality it is her views that smack of Fascism. She even suspects that many members of congress are unAmerican and should be given patriotism tests
by the media. Perhaps Fox news would help her out. What a laugh that would be. We’ve not seen the likes of these New Republicans since the 50’s, like the discredited Republican Joseph McCarthy. If ever a miscreant needed to be kicked out of congress it’s this woman and those like her that would divide the country and create internal dangers to our liberties. I find that with extremist views such as these that it would be very uncertain as to whether she could operate with the best interests of the country in mind.

Posted by: IRemember | October 21, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

"armpeg" Just because you say it over and over and over does not make it true. Crawl back under your rock please, I'm sure what's left of your rationalizing brain will appreciate the remaining moisture.

Posted by: mommy11 | October 21, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

In the words of Jack Nicholson in "As Good As It Gets'-

"Sell crazy someplace else. We're all stocked up here."

Posted by: kguy1 | October 21, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Sarah and Todd Palin found America so imperfect that they would wish their state to secede. 'nuff said.

Posted by: McBain1 | October 21, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Excuse me, but I have lived in the twin cities nearly my whole life. Anyone up here who will be honest about it will tell you that racism and bigotry lie just below the surface in this town. Bachmanns comments came as no surprise to me. She got caught up in the Palin attack mode and got carried away for the national audience.

She will be re elected.

Posted by: outfoxmorgan | October 21, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

"Elwyn Tinklenberg (great name!)"

Hey Chris, looks like you might have to get used to it. (New campaign slogan? "With a name like Tinklenberg, you know it has to be good!")

Let's see Bachmann get herself out of that jam!

Posted by: Jeff-for-progress | October 21, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

VOTE FOR JESSE VENTURA
HA HA HA HA
THIS WOMAN IS SO QUALIFIED
FOR THIS JOB...
CHRIS MATHEWS IS STILL
ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL,
i sense the left seems to
enjoy picking on women,
like america is a bunch
of chauvenist's
not so,
each new story forces
us to make sure and get
everyone to vote
for mccain'palin,
rather then have to watch
obama make a fool of our
country.
aka, jimmy' the peanut' farmer Carter.
goat herder? peanut farmer?
leave your mind at the door
and vote for four more years
of this media bs.
no thanks...
the blamegame is sad,
but harmless,
but this is hurting good peoples
lives.
The washington post and Msnbc
are Hate Mongers!

Posted by: USA3 | October 21, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

der furball squeaks:
What bothers the Obama Socialists is that Michelle Bachmann told the truth...

______________________

ROTFLMAO.

Posted by: wpost4112 | October 21, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

The New McCarthy

Posted by: BrianGriffinLovesYou | October 21, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Country writes:

"Well what do you know, another media hit job on a courageous politician who is willing to speak the truth! And the reaction is so strong, it tells you that the anti-american socialists who are trying to take over are scared. If they didn't have nothing to hide, they wouldn't mind being investigated. And another thing that is not being widely reported is that Hugo Chavaz is bankrolling a lot of these so-called donations to her opponent. I just wish the media would report the facts here."


Courageous ? If that was the case, why didn't Bachmann start naming Congressional names along with her charges ?

And if this was such a righteous cause by Bachmann, why is her seat, up until last week a safe reelection bet, now a toss up ? Because of the anti American "socialists" who live in her district ?

Delusional nonsense like that which you posted here may give you an excuse to use your computer's keyboard, but Bachmann is an idiot. And that's the point.

Democrats don't have to work too hard to "take over" when dopes like this COngresswoman insert their foot in their mouth.

And pols on the right who keep up this anti american jive, are going to spend a long time in the political wilderness.


Posted by: mathas | October 21, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Repost: People apparently love this.

Check out this video of Islamic McCain Supporters confronting a Racist McCain Bumper sticker salesman, Hilarious:


http://liesliesmorelies.blogspot.com/2008/10/racist-mccain-rally-goers-7-mccain.html

Posted by: Snakeheader | October 21, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

This is so typical. What is Anti American is being called anti-American because you question the path of the country. We are supposed to be able to challenge and hold accountable the reputation of this country. That IS American. The whole fundamental point of her argument is wrong. This rhetoric by the Republican party that started with George Bush challenging anyone who didn't share his views as Un-American has singlehandedly turned me off and cost them my vote. Is there not one person in that whole party to question this?

Posted by: tobeydicaprio | October 21, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

What bothers the Obama Socialists is that Michelle Bachmann told the truth, re. Obama supporters and their Socialist Party holding anti-American views. It may not have been diplomatic to tell the truth, because her words can be used as campaign fodder by her opponents, but the fact is that since the Islamofacist terrorists have declared a Jihad against all of the Western cultures, the Socialist Democrats have done everything they could to help them. They've given the captured terrorists all kinds of rights and have hog-tied our Intelligence Services so that they can't do their jobs of protecting the American people. Every time something bad happens around the world, it's always our fault according to them. The left-wing Socialists, the Obamanistas, and the Democratic Party--controlled MSM has specialized in moral equivalence that we in America need to be held to the highest standard, but then portray our country, our elected leaders, our Intelligence Service, and our military as nothing more than terrorists. The actual terrorists though, they give them a free pass. Small wonder that Barack Obama has been endorsed by the Hamas terrorists, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, Al Jazzera, and every America--hater like Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, Bill Ayres, Jerimiah Wright Jr., et al. Michelle Bachmann's observation re. these lip--service American Obamanista liberals views is correct and what bothers these America--haters is that it's the truth, and the truth hurts.

Posted by: armpeg | October 21, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Check out this video of Islamic McCain Supporters confronting a Racist McCain Bumper sticker salesman, Hilarious:


http://liesliesmorelies.blogspot.com/2008/10/racist-mccain-rally-goers-7-mccain.html

Posted by: Snakeheader | October 21, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Bachmann's McCarthyite views were stupid and reprehensible, time for karma payback.

Witness the politics of the extreme eating itself alive.

Posted by: plaza04433 | October 21, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Zouk dribbles:

so zouk cites the military times and loony tunes moonbat prefers the magic eight ball. are the the ombudsman for the NYTimes, you act like it.

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The only thing Zoukbat cites is an self-admittedly unscientific and biased poll...just the thing he and FauNews loves:

"The Military Times offered certain caveats for its poll, which was open only to its 80,000 subscribers. Responses were entirely voluntary and were not focused on a representative sample of the public, as scientific polls are. The troops polled were also somewhat older than average enlisted service members and included more officers than is representative of the military as a whole."

Posted by: wpost4112 | October 21, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I agree, had it not been for Chris Matthews we would not know the underlying lunacy that pervades the republican party. Just look at the presidental candidate. A grumpy old man with one foot in the grave and the other sliding on a banana. What continues to mystify me is why are the republicans so popular? Didn't anyone get the memo that the economy has tanked!?

Posted by: Ahsay | October 21, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm far less worried about Bachmann or her congressional seat than what such comments are doing to the country. Regardless of whether she wins or not, and regardless of whether Obama wins or not, the division in the country, the xenophobia ("He's Muslim/Arab, isn't he?") and the racism that are being bled out of the conservative voters won't just disappear once the election is over. They will continue to poison the country.
Patriotic Americans don't behave this way. They don't put themselves and their electability ahead of their country.

Posted by: ReignForrest | October 21, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Beginning sentences with "But," .... There should be no comma. You do this all the time, Chris. Also there should be no comma if you begin the sentence with "And" or "Or".

Posted by: stumpff | October 21, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

What bothers the Obama Socialists is that Michelle Bachmann told the truth, re. Obama supporters and their Socialist Party holding anti-American views. It may not have been diplomatic to tell the truth, because her words can be used as campaign fodder by her opponents, but the fact is that since the Islamofacist terrorists have declared a Jihad against all of the Western cultures, the Socialist Democrats have done everything they could to help them. They've given the captured terrorists all kinds of rights and have hog-tied our Intelligence Services so that they can't do their jobs of protecting the American people. Every time something bad happens around the world, it's always our fault according to them. The left-wing Socialists, the Obamanistas, and the Democratic Party--controlled MSM has specialized in moral equivalence that we in America need to be held to the highest standard, but then portray our country, our elected leaders, our Intelligence Service, and our military as nothing more than terrorists. The actual terrorists though, they give them a free pass. Small wonder that Barack Obama has been endorsed by the Hamas terrorists, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, Al Jazzera, and every America--hater like Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, Bill Ayres, Jerimiah Wright Jr., et al. Michelle Bachmann's observation re. these lip--service American Obamanista liberals views is correct and what bothers these America--haters is that it's the truth, and the truth hurts.

Posted by: armpeg | October 21, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

What bothers the Obama Socialists is that Michelle Bachmann told the truth, re. Obama supporters and their Socialist Party holding anti-American views. It may not have been diplomatic to tell the truth, because her words can be used as campaign fodder by her opponents, but the fact is that since the Islamofacist terrorists have declared a Jihad against all of the Western cultures, the Socialist Democrats have done everything they could to help them. They've given the captured terrorists all kinds of rights and have hog-tied our Intelligence Services so that they can't do their jobs of protecting the American people. Every time something bad happens around the world, it's always our fault according to them. The left-wing Socialists, the Obamanistas, and the Democratic Party--controlled MSM has specialized in moral equivalence that we in America need to be held to the highest standard, but then portray our country, our elected leaders, our Intelligence Service, and our military as nothing more than terrorists. The actual terrorists though, they give them a free pass. Small wonder that Barack Obama has been endorsed by the Hamas terrorists, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, Al Jazzera, and every America--hater like Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, Bill Ayres, Jerimiah Wright Jr., et al. Michelle Bachmann's observation re. these lip--service American Obamanista liberals views is correct and what bothers these America--haters is that it's the truth, and the truth hurts.

Posted by: armpeg | October 21, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Chris Saleezezilla provides another landmark for those intelligent and rational enough to be concerned with the activist media manufacturing "gottcha" moments. Connecting the media contrived gottcha moments, like dots, reveals an image of a media cabal (Google George Mason Media Poll) of socialist sympathizers.

Bachmann only reiterated what millions of Americans have read between the Obama (spin)lines. To his deepening shame, Chris Sinzilla is a card carrying member of the pro Obama propaganda machine. So lividly does he hate anything with the cache of conservatism, that he is willing to shill for his deceitful handlers and pen a trumped up article about Bachmann.

What chew gonna say when Obammy whizzes on "your" sensibilities Chris?

Posted by: ruralamericans | October 21, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Zouk....

Do you mean "THE ONE" or "THAT ONE"? Senator Obama is not the next Messiah (or the anti-Christ if that is what you are implying) and Senator McCain is not a hate-monger. Joe the Plumber brought it on himself by allowing himself to be used as a political tool. He has become the poster boy for distortions on the rep ticket. He should have also performed his patriotic duty,paid his taxes and gotten a license. He makes under 50 k a year and would be eligible for a tax cut under the Obama plan. He asked "if" he wanted to buy his business.....and "if" I made over 250 k a year, I too would consider being a republican.

It is a classic political strategy to paint yourself as a victim. But it is actually the republicans (this time around) whose chins are dripping with the blood of our trust and the sweat of our backs.

Posted by: StoptheSpin | October 21, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

No, not "anyone" may be "anything." I am neither a female nor gay, nor a vegan.

Given the choice however, I would choose the first two over the last. Or over being a Republican.

Posted by: AbolhassanBaniSadr | October 21, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Chris Sleezezilla provides another landmark for those intelligent and rational enough to be concerned with the activist media manufacturing "gottcha" moments. Connecting the media contrived gottcha moments, like dots, reveals an image of a media cabal (Google George Mason Media Poll) of socialist sympathizers.

Bachmann only reiterated what millions of Americans have read between the Obama (spin)lines. To his deepening shame, Chris Sinzilla is a card carrying member of the pro Obama propaganda machine. So lividly does he hate anything with the cache of conservatism, that he is willing to shill for his deceitful handlers and pen a trumped up article about Bachmann.

What chew gonna say when Obammy whizzes on "your" sensibilities Chris?

Posted by: ruralamericans | October 21, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I donated to Tinklenberg right after viewing this also. Republicans are in a tight spot, swaying this country towards further facism. They've done nothing but divide this country and socialize the wealthy 1%. I bet my lack any 7 house on in.

Who are you to question what is "real" America and what is "true" patriotism?

Just because Bush smashed up the Constitution, doesn't mean that a few of us still don't believe it will be revived with O/B.

Posted by: mommy11 | October 21, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Has The Fix heard anything from the NRCC on this race? Are they willing to move resources to protect this seat in light of the huge Tinklenberg windfall & DCCC spending, or are they going to keep the focus on MN-3 and other races?

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 21, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

One thing I love about Minnesota is the voters hold their representatives accountable. Voting for Michelle Bachmann is a vote for hatred, racism and ignorance. Do the right thing people, vote her and all of the rest like her out of office. We need to elect mature, serious leaders that will get down to business and get America back in business.

Posted by: Hillary08 | October 21, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I just don't understand why supporters of one candidate have to hate the other candidate as well as his supporters. Are we all children here? I support Obama, but that doesn't mean I have to hate McCain and his supporters. Civilized people can disagree with each other without wishing ill on those who are not on their side. It is so obvious that the McCain campaign is pulling out all of the stops and throwing everything up against the wall to see if anything sticks because they know that there are people out there who really hate the fact that Obama is ahead and with a little coaxing they can bring out the worst in them. It's really too bad that so many people are still in the 20th century with their views on diversity. Maybe some day all of these tricks wont work at all.

Posted by: ispy1009 | October 21, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

obama has many 'anti-american' views.
the ayers ideas of education.
the rev.Wright ideas of White oppessor american.
The Tony Rezko idea of housing....
Taking american tax dollars
to proportionately and directly
be distributed to aid in the
'fight' on global hunger.
and of course,
the idea expressed here,
that you can not have any
ideas or viewpoints that
in any way diverge from
the 'excepted' liberal left.
ObamaDivisiveIsWhatISayItIs08'

Posted by: USA3 | October 21, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

This has to be intentional. People with the visibility and access a member of Congress has can't possibly be so stupid...

Posted by: retiredzoomie | October 21, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm too angry to take the time to read all 70-some comments, and maybe someone else has already said this, but as a die-hard liberal and Obama supporter I'm offended by The Fix's treatment of this episode. Michelle Bachmann did *not* "allege" that Obama is anti-American. Matthews asked her whether she would say that Obama "may be anti-American"; she replied that yes, he "may be". Big deal. *Anyone* "may be". Anyone "may be" *anything*. This is the biggest story The Fix can find to devote space to? I might just as easily allege that Chris Matthews is anti-American; after all, it was *his* phrase to begin with. This is dumb. And unnecessary.

Posted by: jaded3 | October 21, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Muhahahahahahahahahahahah,
Hahahahahahahahahahahahah,
ROTFL,LOL,ROTFL,LOL,ROTFL

Oh, excuse me, but I just couldn't resist!

Posted by: unscum | October 21, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Scan down to political stupidity in the dictionary and you'll find Bachmann's unblinking visage there. She takes an easy stroll to reelection and turns it in to a toss up with one appearance on a cable TV show.

Pols on the right are going to find themselves in the political wildnerness for a long time if they keep up this anti american jive.

My love of country isn't determined by my geographic location, my political outlook or by a nincompoop like Michele Bachmann.

Posted by: mathas | October 21, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

This has to be intentional. People with the visibility and access a member of Congress has can't possibly be so stupid...

Posted by: retiredzoomie | October 21, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: parsonsscott | October 21, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Well what do you know, another media hit job on a courageous politician who is willing to speak the truth! And the reaction is so strong, it tells you that the anti-american socialists who are trying to take over are scared. If they didn't have nothing to hide, they wouldn't mind being investigated. And another thing that is not being widely reported is that Hugo Chavaz is bankrolling a lot of these so-called donations to her opponent. I just wish the media would report the facts here.

Posted by: CountryFirst | October 21, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Muhahahahahahahahahahahah,
Hahahahahahahahahahahahah,
ROTFL,LOL,ROTFL,LOL,ROTFL

Oh, excuse me, but I just couldn't resist!

Posted by: unscum | October 21, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Zouk zouk zouk...

He's THAT ONE, not THE ONE.

BTW, who ever knew that 400 Americans were being held hostage by Iran in 1929?

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | October 21, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

When I saw this last Friday on Hardball, at first I was p.o.'d that Matthews let her go on and on without challenging her. But I was too impatient.

He was just letting her spill her guts enough so that the intelligent voters of MN would be able to string her up by them.

She does remind me of Coulter, right up to those wildly staring eyes; time for a hair follicle test, methinks.

Posted by: laboo | October 21, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I guess I'm just not seeing where she "went boom" or "went off". I've watched the recording 3 times - especially around the 7 minute mark as noted - and all I see is Bachmann echoing the thoughts and feelings of millions of Americans. The idea that a future president could have been influenced by such extremist views via his mentors and association choices is frightening. Most of America wants something "in the middle" - not too far to the left; not too far to the right - but something we can all agree upon. So in that respect - Bachmann isn't wrong.

Posted by: kath3 | October 21, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I hate to admit this, but it was an idiotic statement and she should pay the price for it. What is even more amusing is that there's a chance that your state might elect a comedian as senator -- one who has made literally hundreds of incredibly offensive statements over many years. I suppose because he's the Democratic candidate, he gets a pass.

Posted by: tampalawyer | October 21, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

This woman makes the right wingnut Palin look like a centrist. Looks like the ideal GOP Dream Team in 2012. I can see it now, Palin-Bachmann with the slogan "we're white, we're right, we're small-town values and as a bonus, we're small-minded".

Posted by: markscoular | October 21, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Bachmann either has never heard of Joseph McCarthy or she thinks the guy had some pretty awesome ideas. For a refresher, she might want to pick up one of the all-time American political classics: "Pogo."

Posted by: kingpigeon | October 21, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

According to the Republican party, over half of America is now "unamerican". That presents a serious problem for them now doesn't it?

Posted by: fishingriver | October 21, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully people in her district will figure out she's a nutjob and elect someone else. Maybe we won't be subjected to that Crazy, creepy smile. Reminds of the old movie, Dr. Sardonicus.

Posted by: Hoffmann1 | October 21, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

I am rather surprised that no one has mentioned her disingenuous smile. While waiting for other commentators to finish their remarks, split screen shows this phony smile plastered on her face. She then proceeds to make her comments without ever adjusting her grin, showing no other emotion despite what the content of her remarks. Somebody must have spiked the Kool-Aid. The fans in the stadium cheer unabashedly for their own players even when they are mediocre or poor. That's called team spirit. The mindless myrmidons praise their party's ill-advised decisions and candidates even when misguided or unintelligent. That's what is anti-American.

Posted by: drgerbils | October 21, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

The Democratic Party is a big tent party. It attracts people with diverse backgrounds and viewpoints. The Republican Party is a small tent party. Its tent consists of a white sheet with two holes cut out to see through.

Posted by: hamishdad | October 21, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse


"Have you no SHAME" ... Michelle Bachmann ?

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Why would America REWARD complete Republican failure ?

We wont.

Posted by: PulSamsara | October 21, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

It will be all over in 2 weeks. Bachmann and McSame will lose and we can start to turn the country around. I hope it's not too late. Let's keep Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton out of the Cabinet though.

Posted by: AbolhassanBaniSadr | October 21, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

She is creepy and yet not as creepy as some of the commenters here- USA3 and Zouk. At least we actually know who Bachmann is.

Posted by: silverspring25 | October 21, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Nobody will call her what she is to her face - a fascist.

Somebody should......

Posted by: toritto | October 21, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

The most patriotic act is the questioning of authority, the freedom to assemble, the freedom of speech. These are our civic duties. Those that would trade freedom for security deserve neither.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I can't help but think of poor Joe the plumber with NBC desperately digging into his personal life simply for having the audacity to ask THE ONE a question he was not prepared to answer untruthfully.

then the truth squads, the boycotts, the law suits, the attack ads. We are looking at a thugocracy in the chicago hopeful.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, popasmoke. What you wrote needed to be said.

Posted by: rhinoceri | October 21, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

And I thought Moose Palin to be the dumbest of all dumb republicans. Was I ever wrong.

I call on the Media to do a "penetrating investigation" into republicans IQ. I bet most of their's will be lower than the number of real teeths they have in their dirty, lying mouth.

Posted by: mackiejw | October 21, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

If you were to look up "extreme right-wing" in the dictionary, you would find a picture of Michelle Bachmann.

As a Minnesotan (but not a resident of the Sixth District), I'm embarassed and enraged that she's associated in any way with our state. I'm asking the rest of the United States to understand that we're actually thoughtful and informed citizens.

The sad part is that Tinklenberg may yet still lose this race. That just tells you how many of these people live in the Minneapolis-St. Paul suburbs: too many.

Posted by: Adanielch | October 21, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

That woman makes Kathleen Harris look like a Rhodes Scholar.

Posted by: wm49rs | October 21, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

"Poor, poor messiah, his lead is shrinking away. now he is behind in MO, FL and OH. As soon as VA reverts, it is over for THE ONE."

The problem for McCain is this; he has to win ALL the swing states to be in a position to win, whereas Obama has to win just ONE to win - technically, Obama could LOSE FL, NC, Ohio, Indiana AND Virginia and still WIN if he wins Colorado - or if he wins any single of the others - please folks, believe what you want this race is OVER.

Posted by: paulserrano | October 21, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

And I thought Moose Palin to be the dumbest of all dumb republicans. Was I ever wrong.

I call on the Media to do a "penetrating investigation" into republicans IQ. I bet most of their's will be lower than the number of real teeths they have in their dirty, lying mouth.

Posted by: mackiejw | October 21, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

wirro writes
"I used to travel to Minneapolis often on business and really thought Minnesotan's were very level-headed and reasonable people but the fact that they elected a crackpot like Michelle Bachmann makes me question that."

wirro, part of the problem is the decline of the media. For political junkies that pay attention, Rep Bachmann has been an embarrasment for years (prior to winning election to Congress). But, the major newspapers don't do much investigative reporting into the candidates anymore, primarily due to reduced staffs - there just aren't enough people to cover all the stories. So rather than doing their own reporting, they merely respond to the press releases from the campaigns. The TV stations are worse - political reporting amounts to about 1 minute of the broadcast, allowing for minimal-to-no coverage of individual congressional races. So how are voters supposed to know that Bachmann is a complete loon? Most vote a straight-party ticket, figuring that if a candidate won a party's nomination, they've passed the threshold for credibility.

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 21, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I posted about this several days ago.

If you would like to see the video of Bachmann's comments to Chris Matthews, plus the superb video of the rebuke given by Katrina Vanden Heuvel, I have them.

I also include links to a petition, asking Congress to censure her, and the link to her opponent's site, in case you would like to contribute to him.

It is all up at:
http://scootmandubious.blogspot.com/2008/10/censure-michele-bachman.html

Posted by: scootmandubious | October 21, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

And I thought Moose Palin to be the dumbest of all dumb republicans. Was I ever wrong.

I call on the Media to do a "penetrating investigation" into republicans IQ. I bet most of their's will be lower than the number of real teeths thei have in their dirty, lying mouth.

Posted by: mackiejw | October 21, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I use a different poll, political donations. Obama receives 6 donations for every 1 Mccain receives from active military.

>>>>

I was talking about US military not Palestein or Iran.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I live next to Bachmann's district. She is a nut job. Everyone knows it, but the district is Republican and she is the Republican on the ballot. Her comments are hardly out of character. Maybe this is what finally brings her down?

She is the MN Republican MN Democrats love to hate the most. If she loses, they will be about as euphoric over it as if Obama wins. Problem is, then they'd have to find a new boogeyman (woman) come January.

Posted by: caribis | October 21, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I posted about this several days ago.

If you would like to see the video of Bachmann's comments to Chris Matthews, plus the superb video of the rebuke given by Katrina Vanden Heuvel, I have them.

I also include links to a petition, asking Congress to censure her, and the link to her opponent's site, in case you would like to contribute to him.

It is all up at:
http://scootmandubious.blogspot.com/2008/10/censure-michele-bachman.html

Posted by: scootmandubious | October 21, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

ah yes,
I recall from my early days'
13% unemployment,
18% mortgages,
Iran holding 400 american
hostages,
and the liberal left HATE machine.
I am almost glad you will
get a taste of how the politically
correct left, becomes the Neo-Nazi'
book burning, nationalistic, corrupt,
oppressive new 'hard right'
how an intelligent, successful,
ambitious woman, with conservative
views will get cruxified for
some 'imagined' slight
of the Fueher' Obama....
Welcome to 1929 Germany.

Posted by: USA3 | October 21, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

And I thought Moose Palin to be the dumbest of all dumb republicans. Was I ever wrong.

I call on the Media to do a "penetrating investigation" into republicans IQ. I bet most of their's will be lower than the number of real teeths thei have in their dirty, lying mouth.

Posted by: mackiejw | October 21, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Bachmann is crazy!!! Not in the figurative sense but literally. Sheis crazy....like....for real!!

Posted by: lwattsII | October 21, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Rank amateur Bachmann failed to recognize the consequences of highly divisive and incendiary anti-American rhetoric. This rhetoric of the extreme conservative right does not play to moderates—that large bloc of independent and conservative democrat voters who oppose abhorrent rhetoric. Bachmann’s precipitous fall from grace is attributed to her ignorance of the electorate, extreme political views, and hubris. If she had any intellectual curiosity and political astuteness, she would have noticed that McCain not only leaves the outlandish incendiary attacks to his surrogates, 527’s, and the RNC, but he immediately distances himself from those who cross over the line. McCain is savvy enough to separate himself from the demagoguery by a degree or two.

Posted by: jandcgall1 | October 21, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

I use a different poll, political donations. Obama receives 6 donations for every 1 Mccain receives from active military.


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"guess you just make this stuff up. It has been known fro some time that active military support Obama 6 to 1 over Mccain."


so zouk cites the military times and loony tunes moonbat prefers the magic eight ball. are the the ombudsman for the NYTimes, you act like it.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: popasmoke | October 21, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Let us have those investigations. Maybe America can get rid of the republican disease once and for all.

Posted by: mightytightywhity | October 21, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I was on of the people who saw Hardball live and immediately gave $25 to her oponent. I used to travel to Minneapolis often on business and really thought Minnesotan's were very level-headed and reasonable people but the fact that they elected a crackpot like Michelle Bachmann makes me question that.

Now, after making one of the most outrageous statements I've heard from an elected official in years, Bachmann is just outright lying in her denial and there is videotape to prove that she is lying. I guess she believes in that old saying, "Who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?"

I just hope Minnesotan's will end the embarassment and throw this wacko out.

Posted by: wirro | October 21, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

For those who have followed Bachmann's political career, you know she is anything but dumb or "brainless." In fact, she's a pretty smart politican.

What you saw on Hardball was typical Bachmann: she spoke what she believes. She is a right-wing extremist, no doubt. That's why it is so disingenuous for her to now retreat and say that her comments were misconstrued, that she does not believe that Obama is anti-America, only that his views are... as if there is a difference. (See her verbal retreat here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdyNHjmqzts.)

That was the true Bachmann on Hardball, the same one who mangled President Bush at the state of the union and stated that she saw a highly classified plan to give part of Iraq to Iran. She's not putting on a show - she's being herself. It scares people not because they are America-hating liberals but because it is truly terrifying that one of our policy makers could be so off the map.

Posted by: RyaninMN | October 21, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Ms. Bachman is a true reflection of what the Republican party has become. Republicans are already quite willing to read our mail, listen to our phone calls, find out what books we check out from the library, and claim it's all to make us "safe."

Now Ms. Bachman thinks that there ought to be "investigations" to root out "anti-american" thoughts. Have we really come to the point where an elected official is advocating for the "thought police?"

Where does it end? We already know that Karl Rove sought to place ideological zealots in US attorney positions to conduct political witch hunts against democratic candidates. Where does this willingness to subvert out legal protections for political gain ultimately lead?

Republicans have become so convinced that they are "right," that they have convinced themselves that "their" ends justify "their" means. Therefore, they believe themselves justified in making false accusations, such as Rove's political prosecutions, or McCain/Palin claims that Obama is a "terrorist" or a "socialist" or a "muslim" or an "arab" etc.

Doesn't the Republican way of doing things ultimately lead to the gradual erosion of all individual rights, "for our own good?"

When our civil rights are mentioned, Republicans love to argue that "if you're not doing anything wrong, then you don't have anything to hide." Problem is that their definition of "wrong" keeps shifting. Will it ultimately be "wrong" for an American to disagree with the Republican party?

Apparently Ms. Bachman already thinks so.

Posted by: Speaktruth | October 21, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

You can find more common sense in a box of Bachman Pretzels than in this clown's head.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | October 21, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

"guess you just make this stuff up. It has been known fro some time that active military support Obama 6 to 1 over Mccain."


so zouk cites the military times and loony tunes moonbat prefers the magic eight ball. are the the ombudsman for the NYTimes, you act like it.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

The republicans should have their own internal witch hunt to purge the evil demons of mcarthyism, xenophobia, racism, greed, and corruption from their party.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081020/ap_on_bi_ge/the_influence_game_housing

Enough of this..."If you disagree with me you must be anti-American" crapola. The most patriotic act is the questioning of authority, the freedom to assemble, the freedom of speech. These are our civic duties. Those that would trade freedom for security deserve neither.

The transfer of power is never pretty and the far right is looking increasingly ugly.

Posted by: StoptheSpin | October 21, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

The republicans should have their own internal witch hunt to purge the evil demons of mcarthyism, xenophobia, racism, greed, and corruption from their party.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081020/ap_on_bi_ge/the_influence_game_housing

Enough of this..."If you disagree with me you must be anti-American" crapola. The most patriotic act is the questioning of authority, the freedom to assemble, the freedom of speech. These are our civic duties. Those that would trade freedom for security deserve neither.

The transfer of power is never pretty and the far right is looking increasingly ugly.

Posted by: StoptheSpin | October 21, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Why is Rev.Wright an issue the man fought for his right of freedom of speech. the repubs hold the second amendment tight what about his first amendment rights.No on calls out the big mouths like Rush the "pill popper" or Ann the "dyed blond" Colter.I can see the care that Obama has suspending his own campaigning so he can visit his grandmother,unlike McSenile suspending his so he and Cindy could go to Washington DC to have dinner with Joe Lie-man and his wife .
Connie from Indiana

Posted by: grams1944 | October 21, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Good - an electoral uppercut to that botoxed bozo couldn't come sooner. I hope she enjoys her 15 minutes of fame - maybe she can join Faux Fox and friends afterwards. She might have to fight for a spot with the current trout mouth there, but she will fit in just fine.

Posted by: LABC | October 21, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Check out this video of Islamic McCain Supporters confronting a Racist McCain Bumper sticker salesman, Hilarious:


http://liesliesmorelies.blogspot.com/2008/10/racist-mccain-rally-goers-7-mccain.html

Posted by: Snakeheader | October 21, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Hate is not an American value. I'm thrilled to see my fellow Americans pushing back against such tactics. We've allowed us to be divided from our neighbors for too long by small things like skin color or sexual orientation.

Division has led us to this place where a few can spend $300,000 on an outfit for a single evening while others work two minimum wages jobs trying to keep their home out of foreclosure.

Posted by: Hresz | October 21, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

NC is in the bag for Obama, btw.

Posted by: bondjedi


just like NH in the primaries, right??

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

"bj, I am confident you will continue to use averages even as the trend line sinks down day by day. your average will catch up with the reality of the sinking Obama next week.

Meanwhile battleground has Mac up by one nationwide. Other polls out today reveal that FL, OH and MO are now in Macs column. NC was never in play, a fantasy. CO and NM were foregone conclusions."

Zouk, zouk, zouk - here we go again. While Battleground is the closest, it is Obama up by one, not McCain.

And I'm using averages to be fair. Otherwise, the latest Suffolk in OH has Obama +9. That's hardly a McCain lead.

NC is in the bag for Obama, btw.

Posted by: bondjedi | October 21, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse


I guess you just make this stuff up. It has been known fro some time that active military support Obama 6 to 1 over Mccain.

---------------
The International Crisis President Obama Invites [Kathryn Jean Lopez]


Albright agrees with Biden.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

68 Percent [Kathryn Jean Lopez]


That's how many active-duty military men and women support McCain over Obama, according to the Military Times. That deserves some serious consideration.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: popasmoke | October 21, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse


Obama& DNC Admit All Allegations of Federal Court Lawsuit - Obama’s “Not” Qualified to be President.

Obama Should Immediately Withdraw his Candidacy for President.

www.obamacrimes.com

Posted by: janet8 | October 21, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

I just sent her opponent $100.

Posted by: magnetic54 | October 21, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

I don't live in Michelle Bachmann's district, but I do live in Minnesota, and I suspect that Rep. Bachmann may have brought ridicule onto herself, her district, and her state one time too many. She's an embarrassment to the GOP, and even our Republican governor seems to be distancing himself from her.

Posted by: Durant_Imboden | October 21, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Zonk: I love your comments as I use to work in a mental hospital it brings back old memories.Bachmann is one of your talking heads she would not want to serve with us anti-American dems, but after Nove. 4 th she will be looking for a job. Maybe Joe the plumber can help her.
Connie from Indiana

Posted by: grams1944 | October 21, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Rev Wright does hold strong opinions. I find that many ex-Marines hold strong opinions about their country. Likewise, I find that many ministers also hold strong opinions about social injustice and what we owe one another as people. Rev Wright is an ex-marine who served our country for 6 years, and he is an activist minister, so, yes, he is passionate about his country and his faith.

Seeing as Rev Wright represents many of the things Republicans hold dear (God, the flag, defense of our country, and an evangelical church)I am constantly amazed by how they hold him up as the representative of all that is traitorous, anti-american, immoral, socialist and dangerous. Some of what Rev Wright has to say is confrontational and hurts to hear, but it comes from a lifetime of experience serving his country, his community and his God.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | October 21, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse
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The saddest part of Rev. Write was not what he said but why he said it. I was in Viet Nam as my name indicates. I am sorry to say in the 1960's being a black in the military was not a pleasant thing. What I saw done to black solders by fellow soldiers was a disgrace. I have said many times "If I was black I don't know how I would deal with whites". I think I would be so filled with hate from what had happened in the past I would not be able to just put it aside. I honestly can't imagine how blacks just have to pretend things are not the way they really are. They experience it everyday. Also evidenced by the hate this election has dredged up from many whites. A lot of people would like to pretend it doesn't exist but it does.

When I was a kid my father owned the first integrated hotel on Fort Lauderdale beach. I had a body guard when I was a kid and went to school with my own security, we received death threats. Although white, I experienced hate first hand. I know where Rev. Write is coming from. Rev. Write regardless what many may think does love his country. Rev. Write just isn't as forgiving as white people seem to require or black people. I don't know if my skills as a writer really express what I feel, I hope some will understand what I am getting at. I am inclined to give Rev. Write a pass, I believe he has earned it much more so then most of the whites who carry on hate for no reason.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 21, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

bj, I am confident you will continue to use averages even as the trend line sinks down day by day. your average will catch up with the reality of the sinking Obama next week.

Meanwhile battleground has Mac up by one nationwide. Other polls out today reveal that FL, OH and MO are now in Macs column. NC was never in play, a fantasy. CO and NM were foregone conclusions.

It all comes down to VA. Can the bitter gun toting religious freaks carry the day over the brie-eating surrender monkies?

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I aplogize for the misspellings in my prior post. I had corrected it, but forgot to paste it back into the comment window. No disrepect was intented.

Posted by: DonJasper | October 21, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Couldn't happen to a nicer wingnut.

Posted by: whirlwind81 | October 21, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I was watching Hardball Friday when Michelle Bachmann went off!! I could not believe what I was hearing -- or that someone with her ideas really held a position in our government!!! Don't the people who are making these types of comments (McCain, Palin, and their reps) realize that they are causing a division in our society that many, many people worked hard to eliminate - some giving their lives!!! To McCaine, after you lose the election, I'd really like to know if the lost of your principles, values, respect, honor -- and yes, maybe even some friends and family was worth all the mud you're slinging.

Posted by: Laraine1 | October 21, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

You know - I've been looking around for someone to think of themselves as "extreme right-wing". However all I can find are 'moderates' that can't tell the difference between "American" and "Republican". I think that 'men of good conscience may disagree', and find it rather mind-bending that people geunely believe that the motivation of their opponents it intentional harm to the Republic.

I guenely believe that George W. Bush is the worst president the US has ever has - but also geunely believe that damaging the nation was not his goal.

Democracy relies on the goodness of it's people, and I suspect we'll see another example of that in Minnesota District 6 early in November.

Posted by: DonJasper | October 21, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Bachman's remarks betray a stunning amount of arrogance, political ignorance and/or cluelessness... and it only gets better to see her trying to talk her way out of the mess she made.
It was amazing timing for Tinklenberg, who now will probably ride to victory.
She'll look back on that couple of sentences as the end of her political career, and good riddance. Asking reporters to investigate possible anti-American viewpoints among Congressmen? This woman really has no idea what a free society is all about and deserves to go home in shame, disgrace and failure.

Posted by: dbitt | October 21, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I was watching Hardball Friday when Michelle Bachmann went off!! I could not believe what I was hearing -- or that someone with her ideas really held a position in our government!!! Don't the people who are making these types of comments (McCain, Palin, and their reps) realize that they are causing a division in our society that many, many people worked hard to eliminate - some giving their lives!!! To McCaine, after you lose the election, I'd really like to know if the lost of your principles, values, respect, honor -- and yes, maybe even some friends and family was worth all the mud you're slinging.

Posted by: Laraine1 | October 21, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

"Poor, poor messiah, his lead is shrinking away. now he is behind in MO, FL and OH. As soon as VA reverts, it is over for THE ONE."

MO RCP Average - Obama +2.7
FL RCP Average - Obama +2.0
OH RCP Average - Obama +2.8
VA RCP Average - Obama +8.0

As soon as VA reverts? Ha ha ha. Don't forget NC (Obama +2.3), CO (Obama +5.5), and NV (Obama +4.2).

Zouk - you've gone beyond naive misunderstanding of polls to the wholesale manufacture of the results.

Posted by: bondjedi | October 21, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

BUT WILL THE ELECTION EVEN MATTER?

Not when government-supported "vigilante injustice" squads are "community stalking" American citizens, making a mockery of the rule of law:

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/american-gestapo-state-supported-terrorism-targets-u-s-citizens

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 21, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

"bsimon1 asks and receives."

I have to believe that this kind of thing is irresistable to The Fix, and would have been covered without prompting.

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 21, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

"THE NUMBERS: John McCain 45 percent, Barack Obama 44 percent.

Poor, poor messiah, his lead is shrinking away. now he is behind in MO, FL and OH. As soon as VA reverts, it is over for THE ONE."

Hasn't the lead shrunk away for quite some time now? Some reason Obama is still leading in all the battle ground states.

Seems like West Virginia (the REAL Virginia) has reverted back to McCain, so at least that one is safe.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 21, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

"bsimon1 asks and receives."

ha! This race has been on my list for a while. Friday's comment is not the first time that Rep Bachmann has expressed her somewhat extreme views.

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 21, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

"Bachmann is vile and brainless. "

Therefore she is qualified for a Dem committee chair or even speaker.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Let's just call this:

Bachmann Turnoff Overdrive

I understand that she will next be seen in the sequel to "Ilsa, She-Wolf of the SS"

Posted by: robertpearce1 | October 21, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

"The Borgen Project has some good info on the cost of addressing global poverty.
$30 billion: Annual shortfall to end world hunger.
$540 billion: Annual U.S. Defense Budget."

Posted by: diana9 | October 21, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Michelle Bachmann is a pig. She has been auditioning for a full-time gig on FOX and now it looks like she's going to get it.

Posted by: bondjedi | October 21, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

The sad thing is at the start of all of this McCain really was a decent candidate but he switched his views on everything to appease the crazy GOP base.

He had the chance to be Americas first Republican candidate since Regan but instead he has become McCarthy.

Go back to your real values, ditch Palin and take Romney or anyone else…its never too late!

I want to have a hard choice to make in 2 weeks but right now it’s the easiest choice I have ever made.

Posted by: Southeasterner | October 21, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

JUST STUPID POLITICS -- OR THE NEW REALPOLITIK?

Is she really that stupid? Or does she know something the naive liberals and progressives refuse to believe can happen again?

Could it be that powerful forces who tag their opposition as "un-American" are co-opting the electoral process to repress the opposition and impose one-party rule?

Maybe the Democratic majority in Congress should have addressed the dark side of electronic voting and use of public resources to suppress the vote.

And the "convenience" of early voting... just more opportunities to make mischief?

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 21, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

The International Crisis President Obama Invites [Kathryn Jean Lopez]


Albright agrees with Biden.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

68 Percent [Kathryn Jean Lopez]


That's how many active-duty military men and women support McCain over Obama, according to the Military Times. That deserves some serious consideration.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

While I would not dream of telling the good people of Minnesota how to vote, I do hope that they will go against the McCarthyite tactics of someone such as Rep. Bachmann. Her statements indicate a willingness to engage in the demonization of one's political opponent that we as a nation do not need any more. Disagree if you must, but don't call your opponent "anti-American" simply because they do not support your views. Please leave that kind of politics to the followers of the Stalins and Hitlers of the world.

Posted by: dhmcgee | October 21, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

While I would not dream of telling the good people of Minnesota how to vote, I do hope that they will go against the McCarthyite tactics of someone such as Rep. Bachmann. Her statements indicate a willingness to engage in the demonization of one's political opponent that we as a nation do not need any more. Disagree if you must, but don't call your opponent "anti-American" simply because they do not support your views. Please leave that kind of politics to the followers of the Stalins and Hitlers of the world.

Posted by: dhmcgee | October 21, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Bachmann is vile and brainless. Hopefully the voters in her district will show her the door in November.

Posted by: marSF | October 21, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Poll: Obama, McCain about even in Missouri
By The Associated Press – 22 hours ago

THE POLL: Suffolk University presidential poll of 600 likely Missouri voters (11 electoral votes).

THE NUMBERS: John McCain 45 percent, Barack Obama 44 percent.

Poor, poor messiah, his lead is shrinking away. now he is behind in MO, FL and OH. As soon as VA reverts, it is over for THE ONE.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Michele Bachmann is precisely the kind of right wing extremist that turns off moderates from the GOP.

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 21, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Rev Wright does hold strong opinions. I find that many ex-Marines hold strong opinions about their country. Likewise, I find that many ministers also hold strong opinions about social injustice and what we owe one another as people. Rev Wright is an ex-marine who served our country for 6 years, and he is an activist minister, so, yes, he is passionate about his country and his faith.

Seeing as Rev Wright represents many of the things Republicans hold dear (God, the flag, defense of our country, and an evangelical church)I am constantly amazed by how they hold him up as the representative of all that is traitorous, anti-american, immoral, socialist and dangerous. Some of what Rev Wright has to say is confrontational and hurts to hear, but it comes from a lifetime of experience serving his country, his community and his God.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | October 21, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

It's not often that voters choose a guy with "Tinkle" in his name, but this could be the year.

Posted by: jxejxe | October 21, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Here is the reality - Two years ago Barack Obama predicted the central theme of this election. There are people who continue with old worn out political tactics and they are upset because they are losing. ..............

http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/10/21/the-prophecy-of-barack-obama/

Posted by: glclark4750 | October 21, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

This has been an amazing year, and the Bachmann controversy further demonstrates that voters seem to be losing their appetite for Joe McCarthy tactics. This presents a real problem for politicians like Michelle Bachmann (and John McCain, for that matter) because if the old politics of smear and slander don't work, well, what more do the have in their arsenal? Their chief issues were usually based upon ridiculous BS related to the culture wars of the 1960s, aimed to distract from economics, etc. But, what about the many tens of millions of us for whom those issues just don't mean anything? I, for one, didn't live in the 1960s, and would like our elected officials to talk about issues of concern to our century, not the hot-button issues of Reaganite wedge politics left over from 1966.

Posted by: osullivanc1 | October 21, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

bsimon1 asks and receives.

Posted by: mnteng | October 21, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I read her statement as she tried to talk her way out of this. It would have been funny, but I got dizzy from all that spinning. By the way, is she separated at birth from Katherine Harris? God, I hope so.

Posted by: LongMemory | October 21, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

We should all thank Chris Matthews for helping America see how much of a Nut job this woman really is. She makes Katherine Harris look like a Liberal.

Posted by: sjxylib | October 21, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Republicans talk, America cringes.

Posted by: Dawny_Chambers | October 21, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

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