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Bob McDonnell, the Confederacy and the Veepstakes


Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell is in hot water. AP Photo/Richmond Times-Dispatch, Bob Brown

Virginia Republican Gov. Bob McDonnell's decision to backpedal on a proclamation declaring April Confederate History month in the Commonwealth left Republican observers divided about how much -- if any -- damage he had done to his prospects on the national stage in 2012 and beyond.

The controversy began earlier this week when McDonnell omitted any mention of slavery in a proclamation designed to commemorate the Commonwealth's role in the Civil War and, he said, promote tourism to the state. (The issuing of such a proclamation was begun under Gov. George Allen, a Republican, in 1997 but discontinued during the eight years that Mark Warner and Tim Kaine, both Democrats, held the governor's office.)

Sensing that the firestorm surrounding the proclamation was quickly growing out of control, McDonnell acknowledged Wednesday that not addressing slavery in the document was a "mistake". He also added a paragraph to the proclamation in which he described slavery as an "evil and inhumane practice".

The McDonnell proclamation -- and subsequent apology -- drew national headlines (few of them favorable) and cast the rising star, elected to his post last fall, in a decidedly unfavorable light.

But, does the controversy have any lasting resonance -- particularly in regards to McDonnell's future on a national party ticket?

We spoke with a handful of senior Republican strategists about that question and, while all of them suggested this was a surmountable problem, they disagreed about the seriousness of it overall.

"It's a lasting scar mainly for its combination of stupidity, insensitivity and ignorance about the civil war," said one senior party strategist granted anonymity to speak candidly. The source did add, however, that McDonnell "has a lot of time to make amends and put it behind him."

Others were far more sanguine about the impact (or lack thereof). "Sixty days and its ancient history," said one GOP big wig. "Mountain out of a molehill," wrote another party strategist in an email to the Fix.

Our take?

It's easy to stand too close to any one thing as it relates to a politician's national trajectory and determine that it is the single thing that will make or break him.

An example: Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal's widely panned Republican response speech in 2009. Does anyone really think that speech will have any impact on Jindal's potential as a presidential or vice presidential candidate?

But, matters of race -- particularly with the nation's first African American president in the White House -- are a bigger issue than giving a single bad speech. And, assuming McDonnell is in the mix for vice president in 2012, it's a near-certainty that this incident will be part of the equation that the nominee will consider when making his (or her) selection.

"When it comes to [vice presidential] picks, most nominees want to pick someone that won't create controversy," explained one senior GOP strategist, speaking without attribution in order to offer a candid assessment. "When combined with his thesis controversy, he could be caricatured, fairly or not, to the many voters who don't know him during the introductory phase."

The controversy stirred by the McDonnell proclamation amounts to an unforced error by a politician who had been on quite a good streak of late. It's far from determinative in terms of his political future but almost certainly will slow his rapid upward trajectory -- at least in the near term.

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By Chris Cillizza  |  April 8, 2010; 11:03 AM ET
Categories:  Eye on 2008 , Republican Party  | Tags: Bob McDonnell, George Allen, Mark Warner, Politics, Republican, Slavery, Tim Kaine, Vice President of the United States  
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This is not the only Civil War History scandal in Virginia.


See:

http://notionscapital.wordpress.com/2010/04/09/civil-war-shame-in-virginia/

Posted by: MikeLicht | April 10, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Next year will Obama demand that Black History Month proclamations contain references to the fact that AFRICANS SOLD THEIR OWN PEOPLE INTO SLAVERY? I think I know the answer to that question.

As far as any other comparisons go, everyone knows that there is a great deal more to celebrate within the 4 year history of the Confederacy than there is in the entire 4 MILLION year history of the Black race.

Posted by: Nsdap18 | April 10, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Next year will Obama demand that Black History Month proclamations contain references to the fact that AFRICANS SOLD THEIR OWN PEOPLE INTO SLAVERY? I think I know the answer to that question.

As far as any other comparisons go, everyone knows that there is a great deal more to celebrate within the 4 year history of the Confederacy than there is in the entire 4 MILLION year history of the Black race.

Posted by: Nsdap18 | April 10, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

God Help! God Help!
Lord, we pray for FORGIVENESS,
In Jesus' name,
Amen

Posted by: olafaux | April 9, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

BWJ: I just hope the FBI is on the baggers like white on rice. This is as bad as it's ever been. I don't want the feds to wait for another federal building to get blowed up, I want to see those guys seriously infiltrated and rounded up. Those guys are sick.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 9, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

noa: I'm reading more on the Internet about the bagger movement as a dangerous Perfect Storm of organized hate.

Seriously, their "events" are drawing some of the worst of the worst: white nationalists, neo-confederates like McDonnell, white supremacists, militia lunatics, secessionists like Rick Perry, survivalists, anti-Latino "minutemen," and standard-issue racists (see, e.g., Phalin, according to Charley James reporting). All coming together at the same time and place backed by corporatists who welcome these mentals' distracting the Nation while they rob the country, see. e.g., Madoff.

Bad stuff. I don't think BHO fully appreciates what he's up against.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 9, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Actually the big irony/scandal here--is not the revelation that McDonnell, like George Allen before him, may not be the brightest bulb in the circuit--but rather that a guy who has been a governor for a few weeks and whose major accomplishment has been successfully leading the state through a blizzard--would even be rumored for a spot on a national ticket.

That has to qualify as the greatest head-scratcher since the 'Mark Warner for President' trial balloon of 2008!

Posted by: bjerryberg | April 9, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

The South is not agrarian any longer, we have long since industrialized. Respect the South and leave her to her celebrations. This is nothing but a holiday-type event, a tempest in a teapot at most.

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Not only are you a complete idiot, you're an unhinged idiot at that.

Has "Macaca" been forgotten? Does George Allen's name EVER come up without Macaca being the subject, or at least mentioned in the same sentence? NO. Sen. Allen was a Republican Rising *celebrity*, being groomed for one of the top slots, eveyone was talking about a future President Allen, and now his name is ..

... MUD.

HA. HA. HA.

Ditto for your big f ucking "victory" a few months ago. And Christie is turning out to be a big fat failure too, operating on that discredited Reaganomics BS, cutting essential services while protecting the wealthy.

BWJ and others naled it: Republican Rising has already peaked, you conservatives are totally out of ideas, totally rudderless, unmoored, adrift, and red faced rage turns out to be NOT MUCH OF A F UCKING PLATFORM, NOW, DOES IT.

HA. HA. HA.

Now make some crack about "PC," you cracker drool case.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 9, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

@noa, if the Dems had run a generic pale male from Northern Virginia, we wouldn't be in this mess. Oh well. The good news: He's term limited. After a year, he can return to those Civil War reenactments where Jeff Davis wins. :)

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 9, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Caption:

"I told you there were five runaways. You only brought back four!"

Look away, Dixieland...

Sad.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 9, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

What a delight in being able to say this:

We told you so.

Nyaah nyaah nyaah nyaah nyaah

Posted by: Noacoler | April 9, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

...Mac, take the leg irons off the janitors. And, yes, you have to pay them for their work. No, you can't refer to them as ________s. No, Obama's President not Jeff Davis.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 9, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Oooo. The Gov. leads a state in which two groups of people live who can't be reconciled. He makes a gesture to one side of his constituency, and the other side gets fired up. All about stuff that's 150 years in the past. Petty blithering.
Virginia was the leading Confederate state. More civil war battles were fought there than anywhere else, and the state was levelled. Half the state was stolen by the Yankees, who started invading when some people wanted to secede from the Union. No history there!
It could be that Virginians are more sensitive about slavery than their detractors imagine, and they don't want to include it in the tourist literature. Does New York have "Attica Prison Massacre Days?" It did have 15,000 slaves at the start of the Revolutionary War. So where is the contrition? Or the mention? Come on Gov. Dinkins, out with the dirty laundry!

Posted by: bong_jamesbong2001 | April 9, 2010 6:57 AM | Report abuse

Oooo. The Gov. leads a state in which two groups of people live who can't be reconciled. He makes a gesture to one side of his constituency, and the other side gets fired up. All about stuff that's 150 years in the past. Petty blithering.
Virginia was the leading Confederate state. More civil war battles were fought there than anywhere else, and the state was levelled. Half the state was stolen by the Yankees, who started invading when some people wanted to secede from the Union. No history there!
It could be that Virginians are more sensitive about slavery than their detractors imagine, and they don't want to include it in the tourist literature. Does New York have "Attica Prison Massacre Days?" It did have 15,000 slaves at the start of the Revolutionary War. So where is the contrition? Or the mention? Come on Gov. Dinkins, out with the dirty laundry!

Posted by: bong_jamesbong2001 | April 9, 2010 6:55 AM | Report abuse

Fallout? Stop being a fool, Cillizza! Only an idiot would make a big deal out of this. Get off it!

Posted by: prossers7 | April 8, 2010 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Broadwayjoe writes:


doppler, let's close on that one. Superb.


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So, these guys are NOT coordinating their postings? They are obviously working together.

Also - they are NOT having a discussion - they are talking to each other to get one side out.

Let's be serious - the postings here are clearly being manipulated by a group which is working together.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 8, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

shrink2


Sure those were your ancestors - I don't believe you.


Why is it that your gang constantly puts on fake persona ?


Do you really believe it increases your credibility? Everyone can read right through it.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 8, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

doppler, let's close on that one. Superb.

Gotta watch ESPN's rebroadcast of Tiger's 4 under par today.

Out.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 8, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

The root cause of the "insensitive" (what a nice polite word that is) remarks by the Governor of Virginia is that neither the electorate nor the elected official really thinks about "e pluribus unum" as anything more than a motto. Hence, we have the travesty of the childish and foolish chatter of Rep. Michelle Bachmann; the travesty of an air-head like Sarah Palin playing the "I am just plain folks like you" card and folks who applaud this drivel actually think that all this irrelevance is just fine. We are on a down escalator and it is past time to do some serious thinking.
The Virginia Governor has the same disease as Senator Allen when he called a young man of Indian descent(born in Virginia) a "macaca" and inferred that he needed to learn about the "real" America. The birther morons have the same disease. [Hint>A non-WASP isn't a 'real'American] Senator Allen would never have said "Macaca" if Sridhar (the kid Allen tried to humiliate) had been a paleface. No birther would reveal his inane idiocy if Obama had been a paleface and the Virginia Governor is using code when he celebrates "Confederate" month. He is clearly saying the Confederate States were just fine. Ain't nothing wrong with a few white boys shooting up Fort Sumpter and that very evening dressing-up and wickedly dancing on the Union flag laid out on a dance floor in Charleston. It was treason then, it is treason now. White supremacy was wrong then, it is wrong now.

Posted by: doppler1 | April 8, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

The root cause of the "insensitive" (what a nice polite word that is) remarks by the Governor of Virginia is that neither the electorate nor the elected official really thinks about "e pluribus unum" as anything more than a motto. Hence, we have the travesty of the childish and foolish chatter of Rep. Michelle Bachmann; the travesty of an air-head like Sarah Palin playing the "I am just plain folks like you" card and folks who applaud this drivel actually think that all this irrelevance is just fine. We are on a down escalator and it is past time to do some serious thinking.
The Virginia Governor has the same disease as Senator Allen when he called a young man of Indian descent(born in Virginia) a "macaca" and inferred that he needed to learn about the "real" America. The birther morons have the same disease. [Hint>A non-WASP isn't a 'real'American] Senator Allen would never have said "Macaca" if Sridhar (the kid Allen tried to humiliate) had been a paleface. No birther would reveal his inane idiocy if Obama had been a paleface and the Virginia Governor is using code when he celebrates "Confederate" month. He is clearly saying the Confederate States were just fine. Ain't nothing wrong with a few white boys shooting up Fort Sumpter and that very evening dressing-up and wickedly dancing on the Union flag laid out on a dance floor in Charleston. It was treason then, it is treason now. White supremacy was wrong then, it is wrong now.

Posted by: doppler1 | April 8, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Excellent, s2.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 8, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

In 2010, only unrepentant bigots and mentals celebrate the Confederacy or buy into a Gone With the Wind version of history.

From GWTW:

"There was a land of Cavaliers and Cotton Fields called the Old South. Here in this pretty world, Gallantry took its last bow. Here was the last ever to be seen of Knights and their Ladies Fair, of Master and of Slave. Look for it only in books, for it is no more than a dream remembered, a Civilization gone with the wind."

Ugh.

Whether it's Buchanan, Rush, George Allen, or...McDonnell, the seething hate they try to hold inside eventually comes out publicly. Wish the voters had known before election day. Oh well.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 8, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

My ancestors were vicious slave holders.
Yankees killed them all and stomped on their graves. I support Barak Hussein Obama.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 8, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

My Massachusetts ancestor was a staunch abolitionist. He was killed in battle by Confederate troops in Virginia, fighting for his ideals.
As a Virginia resident, I proudly support our Governor Bob McDonnell against these unfair attacks.
The liberal moonbats smear and misconstrue and lie, claiming the Governor is a racist or pro-Confederate. Despicable.

Posted by: bobdame | April 8, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Mac's favorite TV show of all time has to be "the Rebel."

Nick Adams played a young Confederate soldier who, after the war, roams from town to town wearing a stupid rebel cap. In each episode, things go okay until he insists on talking a lot of rebel trash and towards the end of the show the townspeople beat the snot out of him and run him, and his stupid rebel hat, out of town.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 8, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

broadwayjoe


The Confederacy was run by the democratic party.


The democratic party REPEALED the Civil Rights Act of 1875


The democratic party passed the Jim Crow laws.


Get over it - your party has a history of vile racism and suppression of the black community.


The democratic party aligned itself with the KKK.


The KKK controlled blocks of delegates at the democratic national conventions.


How in the world can you blame anyone else but the democrats for what ......... what the democrats did ???

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 8, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

concernaboutnow


Sounds like you are more interested in stirring the pot right now - than actually upset about what was done.

Can you fake being upset a little more?

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 8, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Mac Proclamation designating May as "National Socialist German Workers' Party Month."

"To honor the valiant struggle for freedom and liberty of those gray uniformed, noble warriors during the Unfortunate Conflict with the United States, England, France, and other allies, we designate May as..."

Mac, this is NOT a good idea. Seriously.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 8, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

concern, I cosign except for your point about Mac being a "closet" racist. When you issue a written proclamation in 2010 celebrating the Confederacy, are you really a closet racist? I mean he's hardly hiding his feelings.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 8, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Mac, no. Cut it out. No, you can't BID on Halle Berry.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 8, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

I am too angry to think rationally at this time. One of my greatest fears has materialized. We have elected a Son of the Confederacy who actually believes that the Confederate States of America deserve legitimacy. On Wednesday, April 7, 2010, ten days before Virginia seceded from the United States of America and joined a rebellious cause, my governor, Bob McDonnell, made an assertive effort, disregarding African Americans in his state and former descendents of slaves, to glorify terrorist, rebels and slaveholders. His proclamation smacks in the face of all African Americans and people in Virginia who actually voted for him and who believes in freedom and justice for all. I am actually loss for words. This governor I believe wants to bring back the CSA with all its evils. The governor needs to know that Virginia reluctantly join the CSA. What other stupid idea or proclamation does this closet racist have up his sleeves?

Posted by: concernaboutnow | April 8, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

I am too angry to think rationally at this time. One of my greatest fears has materialized. We have elected a Son of the Confederacy who actually believes that the Confederate States of America deserve legitimacy. On Wednesday, April 7, 2010, ten days before Virginia seceded from the United States of America and joined a rebellious cause, my governor, Bob McDonnell, made an assertive effort, disregarding African Americans in his state and former descendents of slaves, to glorify terrorist, rebels and slaveholders. His proclamation smacks in the face of all African Americans and people in Virginia who actually voted for him and who believes in freedom and justice for all. I am actually loss for words. This governor I believe wants to bring back the CSA with all its evils. The governor needs to know that Virginia reluctantly join the CSA. What other stupid idea or proclamation does this closet racist have up his sleeves?

Posted by: concernaboutnow | April 8, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Mac, a couple of things happened while you were daydreaming about the Land of Cotton, slavetradin', and such:

Blacks can use the same water fountains as whites.

Blacks can vote, if the machines haven't been rigged.

Blacks can play in the Masters.

Blacks can play quarterback in the NFL.

Blacks can be President.

And, well, Mac -- now take it easy, Mac -- interracial marriage is legal.

Help, Mac's fainted. Somebody get the smelling salts!

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 8, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Backpedaling? Seems to me that the govenor is pedaling forward with his revision to his original proclamation. He no doubt realized that his glaring omision to the institution of slavery in Virgina and other southern states as the cause of the Civil War was egregious.

Posted by: mike_vandeveeryahoocom | April 8, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

broadwayjoe

Now McDonnell is a slavery denier ?


Just because he left something out of a proclamation?


He never denied anything. Yet you persist in your smears and outright falsehoods.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 8, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

broadwayjoe


The Confederacy was run by the democratic party.

The democratic party REPEALED the Civil Rights Act of 1875

The democratic party passed the Jim Crow laws.

Get over it - your party has a history of vile racism and suppression of the black community.

The democratic party aligned itself with the KKK.

The KKK controlled blocks of delegates at the democratic national conventions.

How in the world can you blame anyone else but the democrats for what ......... what the democrats did ???


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 8, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Mac, a CD of "Birth of a Nation," Director's Cut, is in the mail. All the best.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 8, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

"Perhaps they tried Crow Tacos and it didn't work."

Lewis and Clark had a bad time with the Crow, but I think the French sort of poisoned the well. The fungible nature of all things Indian is weird. Of course it started with the Wild West shows, then Vaudeville and on to Hollywood...

Still, Montana Indians selling "Navaho Tacos" at a Little Big Horn show? It seems sad, but maybe it is ok, or better. Maybe America's greatest strength remains the power of its cultural smelting pot.


Posted by: shrink2 | April 8, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

"Where else on earth could the GOP get away with their dogma....

Posted by: btafmax4 | April 8, 2010 7:38 PM"
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We'll give it a shot. 1865 United States. 1939 Germany. 1962 South Africa.
Year Zero, Rome.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 8, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

The USA absolutely must be the best place on earth to live if you are a full-blown red blooded dyed in the wool to the death republican. Where else on earth could the GOP get away with their dogma; their vitrolic statements; their upside-down ideas that they think they know what Americans want/what would be good for Americans??? They are so out of touch with the real working world of America. This party truly believes that we should do as they say and not as they do. The republicans gave America 8 years of unbridled/unquestioned/unrestrained spending and never said 'sorry'. They have no idea what family values truly are; they have no idea what fiscal responsibility is; what a shame. I'm so looking forward to Novembers' election....my GOP congressman is not getting my vote this year. I'm ashamed of the GOP.......their radical rhetoric and unabashed spending (now at a winery they spent a few thousand and called it 'office supplies')...I can't afford the GOP any longer.

Posted by: btafmax4 | April 8, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Dear Sirs,
It was JEB Bush, not Obama, who wore a Confederate flag lapel pin.
They are preaching patriotism?
Now, really.
Clifford Spencer

Posted by: yankeefan1925 | April 8, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

"McDonnell's political career is over. He and the United States of America will be reminded each year while McDonnell's in office of "Confederate History Month" celebration that will be held in Virginia.

Posted by: TwoSons | April 8, 2010 12:58 PM"
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Fix, predictably, has suggested there is uncertainty as to whether McDonnell's slavery nostalgia has done permanent damage to Mac's career. LOL. Practically, NO ONE outside the Sons of the Confederacy and stormfront agrees with that "analysis." There is no debate here.

Mac's pathetic Hooray-for-the-Confederacy meltdown is now an indelible line on his political resume. It will forever define him just as the "Macaca" incident will always haunt George Allen. Sadly Mac's racist stunt will also haunt Sheila Johnson, who got Hood-winked (no pun intended) by a slick slavery denier into telling blacks to vote for him.

Case closed.

Look away, look away, look away, Dixieland...

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 8, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Navaho tacos?
Montana?

Posted by: shrink2 | April 8, 2010 7:17 PM
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I know, I know, that can seem strange. Perhaps they tried Crow Tacos and it didn't work.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 8, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Ped. Can you tell me how to cure a broken carb with only hairspray. I heard youwerte the gal to inform us from girls garage.

Posted by: Moonbat | April 8, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Navaho tacos?
Montana?

Posted by: shrink2 | April 8, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Too bad...because I think Jindal is a smart guy. And I'm a Democrat

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Smart guys believe in science

Posted by: Noacoler | April 8, 2010 6:54 PM
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Well, I didn't say he was perfect.

How're you doing? You've been missed.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 8, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

True story:

In eastern Montana where I'm from, we have Little Big Horn Battle Days. The whites used to have the re-enactments. Custer and his troops on horseback ride furiously around the arena in big, dusty circles and only the Indians get killed. Now, the Crows do the re-enactments on the reservation. The Indians on horseback ride furiously around the arena in big, dusty circles and no one gets killed.

And everyone cheers and we all buy a lot of Navaho tacos, beers and cokes from the Indians.

That's how we do things in Montana.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 8, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

"...the South's slavery issues were resolved."

Hey cracker, the South's slavery issues are not resolved that is what this is all about.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 8, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse
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The only slavery, or anything akin to it, that I see today is the Obamabots handing over their lives and souls to the central government in D.C. And no Army should risk its lives freeing those who do not want to be free.

Posted by: RealTexan1 | April 8, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Too bad...because I think Jindal is a smart guy. And I'm a Democrat

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Smart guys believe in science

Posted by: Noacoler | April 8, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

"...the South's slavery issues were resolved."

Hey cracker, the South's slavery issues are not resolved that is what this is all about.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 8, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Just who are these self-styled, deluded American "patriots"? How can neo-Confederate and neo-secessionist sympathizers---advocates of treason toward the U.S.A., essentially---go on and on and on about how "patriotic" they are?

How can the governor of Virginia claim to be a patriotic, loyal American while at the same time commemorating the actions of the traitorous Confederacy?

What powers of denial and rationalization and treachery are at work when the governor of Virginia even mentions the word, "Confederacy", as if there is now, or ever was, honor in the actions of the traitors associated with that fraudulent, criminal organization?

The Confederacy, thank God, is dead and its modern, reckless, anti-American proponents---especially the governors of Virginia and Texas--- should keep in mind the fate suggested for criminals R.E. Lee, Jefferson Davis, and the rest of that infamous, traitorous rebel horde by General William Tecumseh Sherman: Hang 'em all!

Posted by: wmclane | April 8, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Hey, the Confederacy might have had slavery, but the entire nation had stuff like Ellis Island, Japanese Internment, relocation and extermination of the Indian tribes, racial segregation. (Much of this stuff occuring way after the South's slavery issues were resolved.)

No history is without stains.

Posted by: RealTexan1 | April 8, 2010 6:34 PM
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And it's nothing that we are proud of. When's the last time you heard of celebrating Indian Extermination Days? Or how about "Japanese Vacation in Internment Camps While Americans Fight the War". Any attempt to whitewash, deny, delete, or otherwise skip the unpleasant parts of our history is cowardly.

So, what is your point? It sounds like you are a Southern apologist first, and an American second.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 8, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

My thoughts about Confederate History Month. I think McDonnell was attempting to use Virginia history as a way to promote exceptionalism. This was simply the wrong thing to do. History is history and this particular part of history was perhaps the darkest era in the story of our country. It is a time to remember and to study, but not to celebrate. McDonnell got it backwards. Virginia does have a tremendous history and the Civil War is a part of it. But even most Virginians would agree that they were on the wrong side of the war. The side that defended slavery and the side that fought to break away from the Union. Most Virginians would agree that both are wrong.

But that doesn't mean we should turn the harsh glare of hindsight upon the soldiers who died for their cause. These weren't little Hitlers running around, but were people doing what they felt was the right thing. They were defending a way of life that they had known and was being threatened by a more progressive movement. They shouldn't be celebrated because of what they were fighting for, but they should be remembered. To be a part of the Confederacy isn't a source of pride, but it is a component of their identity. And that should have been the point of CHM. As a recognition of where they were and how far they have come since then. By omitting slavery, McDonnell was promoting exceptionalism when it was most inappropriate. People want to be told that they are great, but the greatness isn't in what they were, but where they are. People who study history, remember the past, and learned the lessons.

It's a touchy subject, but it's one that could have been handled in a mature way. To ignore slavery is to abandon the mature discussion in favor of some weird state based jingoism. People don't always need that. They needed some leadership in dealing with this part of history and McDonnell completely botched it. Perhaps he has the most to learn from all this. Let's hope he learned it.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 8, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Just who are these self-styled American "patriots"?
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Citizens who believe in the rule of law and that the federal government should operate within its own Constitutional constraints.

How can neo-Confederate and neo-secessionist sympathizers---advocates of treason toward the U.S.A., essentially---go on and on an on about how "patriotic" they are?
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Because they see the "nation" as the states and the people, and not a handful of elitist Marxists in D.C.


How can the governor of Virginia claim to be an American while at the same time comemmorating the actions of the traitorous Confederacy?
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How can you celebrate the 4th of July knowing what your nation did to the Indian tribes? Or the internment of Japanese-American citizens, or a host of other dark moments in our history?

What powers of denial and rationalization and treachery are at work when the governor of Virginia even mentions the word, "Confederacy", as if there is now, or ever was, honor in the actions of those traitors associated with that fraudulent, criminal organization?
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The Confederacy's ONLY crime was slavery. Slavery is gone. To celebrate a region's history is NOT treason nor even secession. It's a frickin reinactment celebration, Man.

The Confederacy, thank God, is dead and its modern, reckless, anti-American proponents---especially the governors of Virginia and Texas--- should keep in mind the fate suggested for R.E. Lee, Jefferson Davis, and the rest of that infamous, traitorous rebel horde by General William Tecumseh Sherman: Hang 'em all!
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The South is not agrarian any longer, we have long since industrialized. Respect the South and leave her to her celebrations. This is nothing but a holiday-type event, a tempest in a teapot at most.

Posted by: RealTexan1 | April 8, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Thank goodness I live in Maryland and not Virginia. This is just one more reason that we in MD dont do VA. This is what you get when you dont do your homework and read about a candidate like this loser.Posted by: shschwarz | April 8, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

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Maryland is kind of a loser state itself.

If I recall Deeds warned people about this. You can have any Republican strategist say whatever they want its over for this bigot as of now. How are those transportation funds working out for you VA?Posted by: shschwarz | April 8, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

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Funds that probably came from Virginia to begin with.

Hey, the Confederacy might have had slavery, but the entire nation had stuff like Ellis Island, Japanese Internment, relocation and extermination of the Indian tribes, racial segregation. (Much of this stuff occuring way after the South's slavery issues were resolved.)

No history is without stains.

Posted by: RealTexan1 | April 8, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Just who are these self-styled American "patriots"? How can neo-Confederate and neo-secessionist sympathizers---advocates of treason toward the U.S.A., essentially---go on and on an on about how "patriotic" they are? How can the governor of Virginia claim to be an American while at the same time comemmorating the actions of the traitorous Confederacy?

What powers of denial and rationalization and treachery are at work when the governor of Virginia even mentions the word, "Confederacy", as if there is now, or ever was, honor in the actions of those traitors associated with that fraudulent, criminal organization?

The Confederacy, thank God, is dead and its modern, reckless, anti-American proponents---especially the governors of Virginia and Texas--- should keep in mind the fate suggested for R.E. Lee, Jefferson Davis, and the rest of that infamous, traitorous rebel horde by General William Tecumseh Sherman: Hang 'em all!

Posted by: wmclane | April 8, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Thank goodness I live in Maryland and not Virginia. This is just one more reason that we in MD dont do VA. This is what you get when you dont do your homework and read about a candidate like this loser. If I recall Deeds warned people about this. You can have any Republican strategist say whatever they want its over for this bigot as of now. How are those transportation funds working out for you VA?

Posted by: shschwarz | April 8, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Oh, for God's sake, WaPo & Mr. Cillizza , grow up. This will have NO effect whatsoever on McDonnell's political career, good or bad. It simply tired, tired, old race baiting by the usual suspects. What in the world would you do if you couldn't throw that over-used charge at any non-Democrat any time you can't think of something else to write about? Get a life, please, and report on the news. There's actually some interesting stuff out there.

Posted by: mirabeaulamarr | April 8, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

I think the problem the North has with this celebration of the Confederacy is they have not themselves comparable things to celebrate other than higher taxes, restriced freedoms placed upon their own citizens, and history of things like union corruption and polluted cities.

Posted by: RealTexan1 | April 8, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Gov. McDonnell is just another prime example of what the republican party is. Palin, Backmann, Boehner, McConnell, Steele, Limbaugh, Hannity, and let's not forget Beck and those terriosts at Fixed Npise [fox]. It's no wonder the people with brains are jumping the RNC ship. Pathetic.

Posted by: carolynlebeaufyahoocom | April 8, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

"Ass-whoopin' of historic proportions"?

real-delusional-texan,

Yes, I stand by that statement.

The South was CRUSHED. # of casualties doos not indicate a winner or a loser. What was the percentage of losses relative to population?

The South was economically destroyed (go ahead and google "Sherman's March to the Sea"), they were destroyed militarily, they were destroyed politically, they were destroyed socially. Their whole way of life was destroyed. They lost on every count.

Yes, I would say that was an ass-whoopin' of historic proportions.

Posted by: SamanthaAdams | April 8, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse
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I wouldn't count on the same result if it ever came to this again. Let us hope it does not and that the Leftists go back to their poppy-filled pipes and delusional dreams.

Posted by: RealTexan1 | April 8, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Get it right if you're going to quote or cite me.

Posted by: RealTexan1 | April 8, 2010 6:00 PM
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Bwahahaha!!!!!!!!

Get real. I'm NOT quoting you, I'm quoting the book.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 8, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

To RealTexan and those who want to fight on, here's what Gen. Lee had to say, after he "resisted calls by some officers to reject surrender and allow small units to melt away into the mountains, setting up a lengthy guerrilla war. He insisted the war was over and energetically campaigned for inter-sectional reconciliation."
Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 8, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse


///////////////////////////////////////////Again, you LEFTIST twist words. I never said that. There were posts saying stuff like the North might send the "101st Airborne" down here and I said "bring it." Basically, my posts are saying that if the North or federal government will use military force, the other states could stand up and DEFEND THEMSELES. I am talking DEFENSE, not OFFENSE. Get it right if you're going to quote or cite me.

Posted by: RealTexan1 | April 8, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

"Ass-whoopin' of historic proportions"?

real-delusional-texan,

Yes, I stand by that statement.

The South was CRUSHED. # of casualties doos not indicate a winner or a loser. What was the percentage of losses relative to population?

The South was economically destroyed (go ahead and google "Sherman's March to the Sea"), they were destroyed militarily, they were destroyed politically, they were destroyed socially. Their whole way of life was destroyed. They lost on every count.

Yes, I would say that was an ass-whoopin' of historic proportions.

Posted by: SamanthaAdams | April 8, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

To RealTexan and those who want to fight on, here's what Gen. Lee had to say, after he "resisted calls by some officers to reject surrender and allow small units to melt away into the mountains, setting up a lengthy guerrilla war. He insisted the war was over and energetically campaigned for inter-sectional reconciliation."

"So far from engaging in a war to perpetuate slavery, I am rejoiced that slavery is abolished. I believe it will be greatly for the interests of the South."

Nolan, Alan T. (1991), Lee Considered: General Robert E. Lee and Civil War History, University of North Carolina Press, ISBN 0-8078-4587-6, pg 24
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Too bad he didn't say "So far from engaging in a war to perpetuate states' right...", but he didn't.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 8, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

c-love
"drinking the kool-aid" means believing some set up bull that is fed to you - and then getting all worked up about it. LIKE a true believer -

That *so* describes 37th and scOld! Put that kool-aid down, boy.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | April 8, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Gallenod, it was great to see you posting today!

Posted by: margaretmeyers | April 8, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

I know the North was war weary after totally kicking the South's Ass (and it was an ass-whoopin' of historic proportions),
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"Ass-whoopin' of historic proportions"?

NORTH
110,000 killed in action
360,000 total dead
275,200 wounded

SOUTH
93,000 killed in action
260,000 total dead
137,000+ wounded

Heck, the South was the toughest opponent our military ever faced.

Here is one of my favortie examples:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chancellorsville

but we are still dealing today with not finishing the job when we should have.
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Feel free to re-open that score any time.

Posted by: RealTexan1 | April 8, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

HOney, you skipped the part where McDonnell was praising the killers of the US military and the rapist, molesters and murderers of 10s of thousands of slaves.

Virginia had more slaves than any other single state - 500 thousand.

and as much as the south likes to pretend the north was into slavery, it's not true.
the slavery in the North happened before the revolutionary war.
Mass. had Zero slaves in the first census.
NH had 1 , who belonged to a southern student.

Posted by: newagent99 | April 8, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

samantha wrote The proclamation in no way offended the Right Wing base. What's wrong with it they innocently ask?

To the Center and the Left, this is the very problem: the Right sees nothing wrong in this.
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The right has no skin in the game [pun intended]. Over the last 50 years, the % of black Americans voting Republican has gone from 40% to 4%. If the right worried about losing black votes, they would behave differently. They just don't care.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 8, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

I think Virginia's pathway of digression to the future is to be commended. I'm looking forward to their seance of Robert E. Lee and their "future" discoveries of the abacus and fire.

Posted by: ogudgell | April 8, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

The whole incident is indicative of the rift in our country these days.

The proclamation in no way offended the Right Wing base. What's wrong with it they innocently ask?

To the Center and the Left, this is the very problem: the Right sees nothing wrong in this.

Of course, hindsight is 20/20 as they say, but Reconstruction (Congressional or Military Reconstruction - not the Andrew Johnson variety) should not have gone on for 10 years (1867 - 1877) with 20,000 Union troops, but rather, it should have been done with 200,000 troops for 40 years. This way, an entire generation of Americans, African Americans, would have learned to read and would have assumed places of power in southern society.

I know the North was war weary after totally kicking the South's Ass (and it was an ass-whoopin' of historic proportions), but we are still dealing today with not finishing the job when we should have.

Posted by: SamanthaAdams | April 8, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

shrink2 writes


If you get out of hand again, we may have to send the 101st Airborne back to Little Rock or to Richmond or anywhere else you dirt bags need to be taught right from wrong.

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Ha. Bring it. The South has its own state militias and about 20 million civilian deer hunters.

Posted by: RealTexan1 | April 8, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

shrink2 writes


If you get out of hand again, we may have to send the 101st Airborne back to Little Rock or to Richmond or anywhere else you dirt bags need to be taught right from wrong.


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Yea, this is the attitude of the liberals - you MUST agree with us

AND if you do not AGREE WITH THE LIBERAL, YOU MUST BE PUNISHED -


YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO EXERCISE YOUR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS -

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 8, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

knjincvc


This whole thing about McDonnell is just not about a proclamation - most proclamations are completely ignored and not even read

The whole thing is about SMEARING A WHOLE GROUP OF PEOPLE.


The whole controversy is the LIBERALS SAYING "SEE- THERE ARE RACISTS OUT THERE !!!"

They are not just talking about McDonnell - they want to SMEAR A WHOLE GROUP OF PEOPLE IN VIRGINIA -


AND BY EXTENSION, THEY ARE SEEKING TO SMEAR THE WHOLE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT.

YOU SEE, THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT IS WRONG TO EXERCISE THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS TO OPPOSE THE HEALTH CARE BILL - THEY MUST BE PUNISHED BY CALLING THEM RACISTS.

That is what this is all about - an OPPORTUNITY FOR THE LIBERALS TO SMEAR A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE - AND TO VENT THEIR HATE.


WHO ARE THE HATERS ???

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 8, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

knjincvc


It is more important to get an excuse up for calling a whole bunch of people racists - you see - it is just not McDonnell - this whole thing is about SMEARING A WHOLE GROUP OF PEOPLE

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 8, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

c-love


"drinking the kool-aid" means believing some set up bull that is fed to you - and then getting all worked up about it. LIKE a true believer -


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 8, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Someone wrote:
"I'm just wondering how much time, space and reporters The Washington Post has dedicated to covering Bob McDonnell's significant accomplishments in solving Virginia's fiscal deficit and budget crisis......
Never mind. I know the answer to that."

Well so far all McDonnell has done is cut education ... is that a significant accomplishment? Especially in a state like Virginia which has always had problem educating its young people.

Not to worry, Virginia can always hire H1-B's from China and India.

Posted by: knjincvc | April 8, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

You 'necks can be as angry as you want to be, who cares. If you get out of hand again, we may have to send the 101st Airborne back to Little Rock or to Richmond or anywhere else you dirt bags need to be taught right from wrong.

Today's message is, if he ever had national aspirations, McDonnell is finished. But it gets worse, now American moderates are on to the, "I used to be a bigoted wing nut, but recently I changed my mind," act.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 8, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Please understand the logic here: if you do not put slavery in your Confederate proclamation, you are a racist.


If you do not want Obama's health care plan, you are a racist.

If you do not agree with Obama's high taxes, you are a racist.


All I see here is INTIMIDATION POLITICS - YOU MUST AGREE WITH US.


IF YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH US, WE WILL SMEAR YOU AND GO AFTER YOU.


Maybe Lincoln did start that.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 8, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Can someone please tell me if Kool-Aide the new racist term ? I keep seeing references to Kool Aide drinking and I wonder what does a powdered soft drink package with a big pitcher with a smiley face on it has to with anything.

Posted by: c-love | April 8, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I have never seen a group so dedicated to remembering a war they LOST. As Patton said, "Americans hate a loser." There are no "do overs." You lost - get over it. Oh, and when a state thinks it has the right to enslave human beings, it has to have that right taken away - by force if necessary. You can reenact the Civil War over and over all you want but it still comes out: Yankees 1 Rebs O

Posted by: Ram2773 | April 8, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD

You are the one stuck on false charges of racism


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 8, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

My guess is that you socialist libs just don't get VA. I was in the Capitol Rotunda yesterday. Guess who's statue VA put there. General Robert e Lee. You public school government liberals won't know who he was.

VA has always loved sticking it to you commie federalists. We already passed a law prohibiting Obamacare and are suing.

Take your bankrupt know it all and do it all attitude and stuff it.

Posted by: Moonbat | April 8, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

hahahahaha, that was great, 12BB

Posted by: DDAWD | April 8, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

A Short History of South Africa

Beautiful country
Attractive hunters and gatherers in prehistoric times
Herds of beautiful animals
Europeans come to the beautiful land
Wonderful european customs
Beautiful diamonds and gold
...
Nelson Mandela elected! Beautiful! Everyone happy!

*Brought to you by South Africans for Return to Traditional Ways*

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 8, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

How many Virginians are members of the Sons of the Confederacy anyway? Why do they hold so much sway with Republican governors?

Jeff Davis of the group appeared on MSNBC with Tamron Hall and had the same talking points. He tried the same feeble explanation that the governor tried. The Civil War was not about slavery! This is just a celebration of all that was wonderful about the Old South! There was no need to apologize. McDonnell did this to promote Virginia.

Should someone have thought of which Virginia are they trying to promote. Why does a state with so much history to call upon continue to visit this one aspect of its history? They should consider moving the state capitol to Northern Virginia. Richmond is apparently to steeped in its past to work intelligently on its present and future.

Posted by: concerned13 | April 8, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

julieforBarack, WVUWEIRTON, twilson66, lithium452, koolkat_1960, shrink2, it must stink to be mindless Marxist Drones, huh? Paint and slander your enemies how you want, and keep supporting government over the people.

Posted by: 50Eagle | April 8, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Oh, huh? We still haven't learned to talk about race as adults yet? Man, I'm shocked!

Posted by: DDAWD | April 8, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse


You still think it was a good idea to KILL 600,000 PEOPLE ???? These issues could have been settled through negotiations.


Every other country on Earth ended slavery WITHOUT a major war.


So WHY DID THEY HAVE TO KILL 600,000 PEOPLE???


Then there is nothing but charges of lies about what the whole thing was about - for DECADES WE STILL DON'T HAVE AGREEMENT ON WHAT CAUSED THE WAR.


YOU SHOULD THINK ABOUT THAT.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 8, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


Do you have a point ?

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 8, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

To leave out the issue of slavery in American history, Union or Confederate, only widens the racial divide, leaving a gaping hole in historical narrative and guaranteeing that one will hear about it MORE rather than LESS. I'm not interested in playing any "race" cards or blame games. I am not seeking any "reparations" or apologies, so please do not apologize! If you do not personally own any slaves or endorse slavery you have nothing to fear or worry about---just tell the whole truth about the past. That's all I'm asking.

Posted by: Artisan1 | April 8, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Bob McDonnell has finally been exposed as the deceitful, insidious b%#@&^+%$ that he is.

Posted by: twilson66 | April 8, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

You still think it was a good idea to KILL 56,125,262 PEOPLE ???? That's how many people died in WWII. These issues could have been settled through negotiations.

So WHY DID THEY HAVE TO KILL 56,125,262 PEOPLE???

Then there is nothing but charges of lies about what the whole thing was about - for DECADES WE STILL DON'T HAVE AGREEMENT ON WHAT CAUSED THE WAR.

YOU SHOULD THINK ABOUT THAT.

*Brought to you by Nazi History Month, Dresden, Germany*

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 8, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

As a Dem I can only pray that Repubicans think this clown has national prospects.

Palin-McDonnell 2012!!!!!

Posted by: lithium452 | April 8, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

"He has done no damage to his image nationally."

Good thing I wasn't drinking coffee when I read this particularly choice bit of rightwingnut teabag stupidity.

McDonnell is the laughingstock of the nation, Cletus. Sure he's done no damage with the GOOP base, but you cretins need a lot more non-base votes to get anyone elected.

LOL nice try, clown.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | April 8, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Now that we have explored statism...

Lets look at revanchism!

You can research it, but generally speaking, it is a subset of revisionism, an historical rewrite that has as its purpose regaining lost territory or status.

Revanchism was a big part of Europe's tendency to endlessly re-fight its wars, great and small. You get the population all worked up about the gross injustice it suffered, then militant, then they decide to right the wrong, as a matter of pride and principle.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 8, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

You still think it was a good idea to KILL 600,000 PEOPLE ???? These issues could have been settled through negotiations.

Every other country on Earth ended slavery WITHOUT a major war.

So WHY DID THEY HAVE TO KILL 600,000 PEOPLE???

Then there is nothing but charges of lies about what the whole thing was about - for DECADES WE STILL DON'T HAVE AGREEMENT ON WHAT CAUSED THE WAR.

YOU SHOULD THINK ABOUT THAT.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 8, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Virginia Republican Gov. Bob McDonnell's decision to backpedal on a proclamation declaring April Confederate History month was just BS to minimize political damage among independents...

I'm white and 60 years old and I know what is said in public is not what is believed behind closed doors....

THE GOVERNOR BELIEVED EVERYTHING HE HAS SAID, HIS BACKPEDALING IS ONLY A POLITICAL DECISION....

RACISM IS ALIVE AND WELL IN THE SOUTHERN STATES....

Posted by: WVUWEIRTON | April 8, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

National prospects? He hasn't even shown that he can govern a state yet and he only beat Creigh Deeds, an astonishingly inept clown of a candidate. Are we talking president here? Huh? No, celebrating the Confederacy won't hurt him in the nomination process. The GOP has given up on going after the black vote, despite the presence of the astonishingly inept Mr. Steele. Remember "Obama's Baby Mama" and "Barack the Magic Negro"? Nope, Dixie won't hurt him at all.

Posted by: curtb | April 8, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Wanna know the truth ???

You have been brainwashed and lied to since day one.

The federal government has written our history books.Nothing but a pack of lies.

The truth is...The War Between the States,the Civil War was fought over states rights,not slavery.

Lincoln was the original scumbag,Reagan was his incarnate

It was all about maintaining the power of the oligarchy that REALLY rules america

Posted by: hyroller56 | April 8, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

what is wrong with everyone? Obviously Democrats hate the Republicans. But the guy said nothing racial. So what if he left out slavery. How can 13-14% of the population make it that everything we say or not say racial? I just don't understand it.

Posted by: laseay1
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What is wrong with everyone? Obviously Repuplicans hate Democtrats. But the guy said nothing racial...
Laseay1, 2 points I have to make... 1) How can anyone rationally discuss or promote anything to do with the Confederacy and the Civil War and not take into account slavery? That was the cause of the Civil War, in spite of the spin-meisters trying to spin this to make it about states rights; 2) The proclamation was also offensive to anyone that studies, teaches, or is interested in history, it's really hard to promote the historical significance of VA when they purposely leave out huge portions of that history.
Can we now call Republican's "commies" since they seem to be emulating the USSR and their use of revisionist history?
(Ooooo, I can't wait to see the comments that's going to cause...)

Posted by: PeterPamZ | April 8, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

It is a very short term strategy the Republicans are following(in national terms), supporting Southern white racists and right wing nut jobs. Currently 48% of the babies born in the US are non white, by 2050, just 40 years away the US will be majority non white. I am not black, but when I see a rebel flag on a car, I read racist. From a reading of the proclamation,the present Governor of Virginia is NOT a CLOSET racist, he is of the full fledged variety. With these hate tactics, the Republicans may win the coming elections, but will be less electable as years pass inexorably towards a more inclusive America.

Posted by: Indweller | April 8, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Koko3, you are right on the money. Why can the tea party, et al. not see this?

Posted by: julieforBarack | April 8, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Definition of a Statist:

The Modern Liberal believes in the supremacy of the state, thereby rejecting the principles of the Declaration of Independence and the order of the civil society, in whole or in part. For the Modern Liberal, the individual’s imperfection and personal pursuits impede the objective of a UTOPIAN STATE. In this, the Modern Liberal promotes what French historian Alexis de Tocqueville described as a soft tyranny, which becomes increasingly more oppressive, potentially leading to a hard tyranny (or some form of totalitarianism). As the word “liberal” is, in its classical meaning, the opposite of authoritarian, it is more accurate, therefore, to characterize the Modern Liberal as a STATIST. [Dr. F. Lee Levin]

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This is the wingnut definition of a statist (I believe that Dr. Levin is actually a horse doctor)

Here is a real definition:
Statism - the theory or practice of concentrating economic and political power in the state, resulting in a weak position for the individual or community with respect to the government.

Why don't you give us an example of statism?

Posted by: maggots | April 8, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

How long does it take to realize a Republican from Virginia is cut from the same (historic) cloth? And this fellow had a running start given his choice of Universities and thesis topics. Why is anyone surprised about "who" he is? And why does anyone reaching office above State Agriculture Commissioner (any state) have to be considered as having 'national prospects'?

Posted by: ljines1 | April 8, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Lotsa LIBERAL Clap-trap here. He has done no damage to his image nationally. Only the race-baiting left would take this any further and not look at the intention of the statement; he wasn't snubbing slavery (covered during Black history month?), he was putting into light the history surrounding the Civil War in general.

Posted by: pielusztcontractor | April 8, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

"Statist" is the insult du jour for slackjawed rightwingnut teabaggers.

As if they couldn't have applied the same term to the previous administration.

These are the same idiots who started protesting on April 15, 2009, because they thought Obama had raised their taxes.

Teabaggers are pathetic.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | April 8, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Lotsa LIBERAL Clap-trap here. He has done no damage to his image nationally. Only the race-baiting left would take this any further and not look at the intention of the statement; he wasn't snubbing slavery (covered during Black history month?), he was putting into light the history surrounding the Civil War in general.

Posted by: pielusztcontractor | April 8, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I emailed the Guv'na to tell him what jerk he is. Here's the website:

http://www.governor.virginia.gov/AboutTheGovernor/contactGovernor.cfm

Posted by: kurthunt | April 8, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

There you guys go again - trying to divide and conquer. You will try anything leading up to the November elections. (And you're going to need it.) But, don't fall for it, straight thinkers. Our votes will throw you out.

Posted by: treedbrent | April 8, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

"But the guy said nothing racial. So what if he left out slavery."

Sure, at times laughing at these people makes you feel guilty. But being angry shortens your life.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 8, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

what is wrong with everyone? Obviously Democrats hate the Republicans. But the guy said nothing racial. So what if he left out slavery. How can 13-14% of the population make it that everything we say or not say racial? I just don't understand it.

Posted by: laseay1
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"So what if he left out slavery" in a proclamation about the Confederacy?????? Either you are completely ignorant of what happened back then -- or you are think slavery was no big deal. A bigot by any other name....

Posted by: alamo2 | April 8, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

I have been so sorry to see that Virginia seems to want to go backwards in time to a place where blacks were their slaves and they could do what they wanted with them, where gays were outcasts and woman's place was in the home. No worries, I will not be visiting anytime soon. As far as I can see, this is McD' 3rd strike. Coupled with Virginia's attorney general it doesn't seem like a very friendly place, and not one to feel safe in. I am, however, somewhat optimistic that there is still some hope as witnessed by metromitch, and sincerely pray he is correct. I am truly saddened by so many in this world who's hatred for others is out of control, and can only assume that they are unhappy with themselves and it scares them. Those who speak of not knowing their country any more need to realize that there are many of us who do not know their world, and would not wish to. Owning someone else is never okay, no matter how you rationalize it, and not something to praise nor to wish for.

Posted by: julieforBarack | April 8, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

"PROSPECTIVE!!"

Posted by: xxadrianxx | April 8, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm lost as to what the strategy was with this proclamation. I just don't understand what perspective gains McDonnell sought to achieve with it. To be known as the tough, proud "Confederate" candidate?? WHY??? He might as well decide to pitch himself on a platform of animal cruelty and theft large household items. Steal from your neighbors and kill thier dogs!! WTF. Genius job of PR. SELF-CHECK!

Posted by: xxadrianxx | April 8, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Koko3:

Definition of a Statist:

The Modern Liberal believes in the supremacy of the state, thereby rejecting the principles of the Declaration of Independence and the order of the civil society, in whole or in part. For the Modern Liberal, the individual’s imperfection and personal pursuits impede the objective of a UTOPIAN STATE. In this, the Modern Liberal promotes what French historian Alexis de Tocqueville described as a soft tyranny, which becomes increasingly more oppressive, potentially leading to a hard tyranny (or some form of totalitarianism). As the word “liberal” is, in its classical meaning, the opposite of authoritarian, it is more accurate, therefore, to characterize the Modern Liberal as a STATIST. [Dr. F. Lee Levin]

Posted by: 50Eagle | April 8, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Damage? Are you kidding me? He's gained thousands and thousands of supporters because he stood up to the PC crowd - even if he did include the part about slavery later. There is a message that's being sent here. Most Americans are sick and tired of political correctness - because it's always ONE-SIDED. It's going to stop in November.

Posted by: georges2 | April 8, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

"Bobby Jindal's widely panned Republican response speech in 2009. Does anyone really think that speech will have any impact on Jindal's potential as a presidential or vice presidential candidate?"

Absolutely! Jindal is a smart guy but he let McConnell, Boehner, Kyl, Cornyn and the rest of the party of "NO!" use him!

Republican governors are toasting themselves with their constant cuts to education to finance tax cuts for people who don't need MORE tax cuts.

Reaganomics trickledown is just as Bush Sr said in 1980 .... VOODOO ECONOMICS!

Posted by: knjincvc | April 8, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

KOKO3:

Statism: "...a political philosophy that holds that sovereignty is vested not in the people but in the national state, and that all individuals and associations exist only to enhance the power, the prestige, and the well-being of the state. The fascist concept of statism, which as seen as synonymous with the concept of nation, and corporatism repudiates individualism and exalts the nation as an organic body headed by the Supreme Leader and nurtured by unity, force, and discipline.[3]"

SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statism

Posted by: pmendez | April 8, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations, Chris!

You're getting more hits than a week's worth of Palin posts!

Does this mean the blog is going to become all-McDonnell-all-the-time for a while?

The problem with idiots like McDonnell, Allen, and Lott, is that they think no one will notice when they try to appeal to their racist yahoo fellow travelers.

Folks like cschotta1, for example: Simple-minded, poorly-educated little bigots who feel helpless while they watch their pathetic and soon-to-be-unlamented world disappear around them.

Hey, cschotta1, there was an article in the New York Times today (one of your favorite newspapers!) about how so many people are leaving Iceland. I think you might enjoy moving there: very monochromatic, if you know what I mean.

Posted by: Bondosan | April 8, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

"I don't care who the GOP puts up for election, because it's going to be a vote against the STATISTS in the Democrat Party."

I don't watch Fox or listen to Limbaugh, so maybe I'm missing something, what the heck is a "STATIST"? I can't even imagine what that means, statistics lovers? But I have to admit I got a real chuckle at the notion of the Dems raiding the Treasury, as if there was anything left to steal after Bush got through with his tax cuts for the rich, unnecessary war and deregulatory free for all that led to the destruction of the economy. Good one.

Posted by: Koko3 | April 8, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

If he was a smart man he would have called it Civil War Remembrance....
But he pandered to racists by focussing on The Confederacy. (They do know they lost the war right?)
Or he has leanings that way.
He's probably done. History is moving inexorably in one direction, and he appears to be on the wrong side.

Posted by: rpp1 | April 8, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

It's more than ironic that the Republican Party began in the early 19th century as an anti-slavery political force. Abraham Lincoln, a Republican, not only freed the slaves he called for a sincere "reunion" of the Union. He must be turning in his grave, especially in view of the long sought and hard won advances that have been made for civil rights for all of us in the 20th and 21st centuries.

Posted by: TESimonton | April 8, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

It's more than ironic that the Republican Party began in the early 19th century as an anti-slavery political force. Abraham Lincoln, a Republican, not only freed the slaves he called for a sincere "reunion" of the Union. He must be turning in his grave, especially in view of the long sought and hard won advances that have been made for civil rights for all of us in the 20th and 21st centuries.

Posted by: TESimonton | April 8, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

It's more than ironic that the Republican Party began in the early 19th century as an anti-slavery political force. Abraham Lincoln, a Republican, not only freed the slaves he called for a sincere "reunion" of the Union. He must be turning in his grave, especially in view of the long sought and hard won advances that have been made for civil rights for all of us in the 20th and 21st centuries.

Posted by: TESimonton | April 8, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

I think it shortsighted to think the Governor just shot himself in the foot, it will heal, and he can immediately run for National office. I think, shot himself in the head more aptly describes this negligent discharge of the mouth. In my opinion, any National aspirations Governor McDonnell may have had are now just that, aspirations. Any attempts to make a move on the National scene will be met by the opposition replaying this blunder non-stop across the Nation to paint the Governor as a closet racist or ally of racists. There are so many ways Virginia could have been marketed as a tourist destination with the Civil War as the centerpiece of the campaign. And really, doing anything that George Allen did is blatantly stupid because it closely associates you with a guy who went from hero to zero over a racially charged name calling. If Governor McDonnell has offspring interested in National politics they may be able to repair the damage Dad's done in time for one of their children to be a serious contender somewhere in the distant future.

Posted by: GMnLoudoun | April 8, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse


DUCK !!!!

Small asteroid to zip past Earth

PASADENA — A newly found asteroid will whiz past Earth on Thursday.


The asteroid dubbed 2010 GA6 will safely fly by the planet.


At the time of its closest pass, the 71-foot-wide space rock will be 223,000 miles away from Earth.

NASA routinely tracks asteroids and comets that make close approaches to Earth. In January, another small asteroid made an even closer approach to Earth, passing within 76,000 miles.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 8, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

what is wrong with everyone? Obviously Democrats hate the Republicans. But the guy said nothing racial. So what if he left out slavery. How can 13-14% of the population make it that everything we say or not say racial? I just don't understand it.

Posted by: laseay1 | April 8, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

As far as higher office, I think this will ruin him. And I think it should. Unfortunately, he may well win a re-election in VA (judging by some of the comments, which I have to say, I find baffling and a bit scary).

Posted by: sarahabc | April 8, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Republicans governors from Virginia surely don't appear to be the sharpest knives in the drawer!

Posted by: DonJM | April 8, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse


In fact if you read the history that was not written by the NORTH after they won, you will find many articles about the black southern troops whon fought because this was THEIR HOME

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There were no black Southern troops; you did have thousands of slaves who were forced to serve the troops.

Posted by: maggots | April 8, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure he would not have made that "mistake" in the first place if he had a chance to run for re-election.

Posted by: erniek4567 | April 8, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

"Reid, Pelosi, and Obama raid the Tresurary"

Nice spelling, Cletus.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | April 8, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

It turns out Ed Gillespie sold the people of Virginia a fake moderate. The rest of the country, the vast center, the people who really vote have noticed.

The Democrats have all kinds of problems, corruption, terrible candidates, you name it, but the Republican embrace of the far right was an astonishing mistake. Demographics matter.

Sure, they try to paint Obama as a fake moderate too, but he actually is one. A plain, ordinary, garden variety moderate. I'm pretty sure I know what a leftist is and Obama...not.

So Republican think tank maven, what will the Republicans do? Keep tracking to the right? If you do try to tack back to the center, how can you convince the moderates that it is for real? That is the damage McDonnell has done.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 8, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Why is it wrong to talk about the Confederacy, when it is part of our Country's history?

The fact to the matter is...The Democrat's were the original Confederates and the political manifestation of pro-slave movement.

Shame on the Democrats of trying to hide their own past.

Posted by: markreginald | April 8, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Every spring, Republican office holders make these stupid symbolic gestures (i.e. Confederate History Month) to demonstrate how macho they are to their wingnut constituents.

Most of the time, these guys get away with them, but McDonnell found out that sometimes you can get burned.

Moral of the story - stop pandering.

Posted by: maggots | April 8, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

I have to say, one positive from all of this is the level of outrage.

It's good to hear and see so many people speaking out against this blatantly racist proclamation. People need to remember episodes like this whenever they are in the voting booth.

Thank you fellow citizens (and citizens of the word) for speaking out against racism!

Posted by: org2 | April 8, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

"Seems if that is good enough for Obama, than whatever McDonnell says is good enough for me."

No one cares -- you're part of the GOOP base. You can't elect anyone to anything without a ton of votes from moderates, and if you think this fiasco will help attract moderates to the GOOP, well then, my friend, I have a bridge I'd like to show you.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | April 8, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that every time some two-bit GOP politician sticks his foot in his mouth it starts a presidential buzz among the faithful?

You guys are weird.

Posted by: st50taw | April 8, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

DEMOCRATS were the base for the southern rebellion against the Union, Lincoln, and the Republicans.

Gov. McDonnell (who by the way is a much better Governer than Statist Kaine, Senator Jim "Mellonhead" Webb, or the criminal Marx Warner - McDonnell's actually taken an axe to the crummy VA primary public school system) made a an omission/mistake which was like giving a entitlement program on a silver platter to a big government Statist, for example like every single Democrat in the United States.

Look at these economic illiterates jump on the race card and scream from the mountain tops about how awful this corrected omission was - all the while - Reid, Pelosi, and Obama raid the Tresurary and steal from some Americans and future generations of Americans to stuff their pockets and the pockets of their supporters with our money!

The most dangerous place to be this November 2 will be between me and my polling location. I don't care who the GOP puts up for election, because it's going to be a vote against the STATISTS in the Democrat Party.

Posted by: 50Eagle | April 8, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

It is hard to believe that someone who belongs to the party of Lincoln could do something so stupid.

Posted by: stodge | April 8, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

If this homophobic racist were to ever make it onto a national ticket, whether as VP or otherwise, let me give you the Democratic ad: McDonnell shown in the foreground, with a Confederate flag fluttering gently in the background, accompanied by the soft strands of "Dixie" playing gently. That's all, folks!

Posted by: DonJM | April 8, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

PC??? Are you insane???

This is 2010, not 1950! As a 52 year old man from the VA area who was raised throughout the Civil Rights era, I am disgusted that McDonnell disgraced our state with this stupid proclamation!

It just shows that the Republicans, sensing a chance at a comeback after 6 years of being brutalized by the Dems, can still mess up there chances. I had hoped that McDonnell was above the Tea Party secessionists who simply HATE that the US President is a 1/2 Black man.

Wake up, Bob, before it is too late and be a Reagan Republican. He would NEVER have made this bonehead move.

Oh, I forgot, today's Republicans and those of FIX News are now calling Ronald Reagan a leftist!

Posted by: Woodie731 | April 8, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

PC??? Are you insane???

This is 2010, not 1950! As a 52 year old man from the VA area who was raised throughout the Civil Rights era, I am disgusted that McDonnell disgraced our state with this stupid proclamation!

It just shows that the Republicans, sensing a chance at a comeback after 6 years of being brutalized by the Dems, can still mess up there chances. I had hoped that McDonnell was above the Tea Party secessionists who simply HATE that the US President is a 1/2 Black man.

Wake up, Bob, before it is too late and be a Reagan Republican. He would NEVER have made this bonehead move.

Oh, I forgot, today's Republicans and those of FIX News are now calling Ronald Reagan a leftist!

Posted by: Woodie731 | April 8, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

PC??? Are you insane???

This is 2010, not 1950! As a 52 year old man from the VA area who was raised throughout the Civil Rights era, I am disgusted that McDonnell disgraced our state with this stupid proclamation!

It just shows that the Republicans, sensing a chance at a comeback after 6 years of being brutalized by the Dems, can still mess up there chances. I had hoped that McDonnell was above the Tea Party secessionists who simply HATE that the US President is a 1/2 Black man.

Wake up, Bob, before it is too late and be a Reagan Republican. He would NEVER have made this bonehead move.

Oh, I forgot, today's Republicans and those of FIX News are now calling Ronald Reagan a leftist!

Posted by: Woodie731 | April 8, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

They don't call him Goobernator Boob McDumbell for nothing.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | April 8, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Butter him -he's TOAST!

Posted by: crrobin | April 8, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Hey, didn't Obama sit in front of Jeramiah Wright for years, listening to his racial spews, with no problem. And I think once Obama somehow said he really didn't notice or understand the viciousness of the what was being said, but apologized anyway, he became president. Seems if that is good enough for Obama, than whatever McDonnell says is good enough for me.

Posted by: mmourges | April 8, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

This was his Macaca moment.
He's rendered himself unelectable on a national scale - how could he possibly appeal to ANY minorities at his point, including gay people(after his AG Cuccelli wrote a memo essentially saying VA Universities could discriminate against gays?).
I couldn't be happier.

Posted by: jeffc6578 | April 8, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

kaisinmirtez wrote: "If you have a problem with the way things are done here in VA, then either leave and go NORTH or dont come here and spend your money, cause we will do alright with out it."

I wish all Southern states felt the same way about federal dollars, because they take in way more than they give back. Secede already, you won't be missed.

Posted by: delatopia | April 8, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Nobody cares about this? Not so. I know one guy who cares. He rides around Western Virginia with a bumpersticker, "Fighting terrorism since 1860!". I bet he loves the Governor! Keep it up GOP, PLEASE.

Posted by: Tomhowarth | April 8, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Can we make "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" the official state song of Virginia. I recommend the live version, Carter Barron ampitheater 1976. Brings a tear to my eye everytime I listen to it 300 times a day.

Posted by: biffgrifftheoneandonly | April 8, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Nobody cares about this? Not so. I know one guy who cares. He rides around Western Virginia with a bumpersticker, "Fighting terrorism since 1860!". I bet he loves the Governor! Keep it up GOP, PLEASE.

Posted by: Tomhowarth | April 8, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

He's just read too many Texas "revised" history books that will be used to indoctrinate - er, educate the future stars of Texas.

To the goat-ropers of the Tejas State and the true patriots of the South, Slavery was a virtual non-issue, so you whinging liberals, quit whining.

Don't you know that Jefferson Davis must have equal billing with Abe Lincoln, that the so-called "Intelligent Design" mish-mash must have "equal time" with atheistic Darwinism, and Thomas Jefferson. . .

Remember him? - You know, the one who penned the Declaration of Independence? - he has become anathema in Texas history because he originated that atheistic, commie-inspired pinko-liberal fascist crypto-doctrine of separation of church and state.

Yea McConnell! Go get them dirty mainstream press loving, lilly-livered liberals! It's about time we have somebody stand up for "Truth, Freedom, and the American way of life!

Posted by: chamateddy | April 8, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Oh dear. 37th is off his meds again.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | April 8, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

"Sixty days and its ancient history," said one GOP big wig. "Mountain out of a molehill," wrote another party strategist..."

Just ask George 'Macaca' Allen about the long-term impacts of broadcasting one's racial bigotry.

Posted by: org2 | April 8, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Our brilliant new Governor can now retire from the national stage. In fact, he will probably not be capable of winning another Statewide race in Virginia. Please try to remember that Northern Virginians are a major portion of the voting population of the Commonwealth. Mr. McDonnell ran as a very well-centered moderate last year for precisely this reason. Now that he has shown his true core beliefs the typical, well-eductated and MODERATE voters of Northern Virginia will not make the mistake they made last year when the voted for him in large numbers. Run for Vice-President? He wouldn't even be able to deliver Virginia, despite what many may believe. Virginia changes more every day and silly and ignorant proclamations designed to appeal to the teabagger lunatic fringe will not stop the progress. Don't be fooled by the Philistines just because they yell louder. Volume is an attempt to cover a lack of content.

Posted by: metromitch | April 8, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Virginia governor Bob McDonnell and attorney general Ken Cuccinelli have both fully demonstrated their racism and bigotry. There is absolutely zero chance that either will have opportunities for national office. They are both simply another sad chapter in Virginia's legacy of intolerance.

Posted by: ashafer_usa | April 8, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Having lived and worked in Virginia for many years in my past, I am saddened that Virginians picked a lamebrained Bob McDonnell as its governor. Like a former lamebrained Virginia governor George Allen, Bob McDonnel, eager to please the dumber Virginians in his state, has actually put both feet in his mouth. The Confederacy was defeated a long time ago, Bob, but I suppose you did not know that. Also, slavery in the US was also ended over one hundred years ago, Bob. So to whom are you appealing when you declare a Confederacy month in Virginia? Could it be the GOP crazies in Virginia who are still fighting the Civil War or pining for a new one?

Posted by: GuinnessJ51 | April 8, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Lemme see now.
The Democrap Socialists on here are trying to pin a racist label on Republican Bob McDonnell for a proclamation to make April Va. Confederate History month, all the while crying their crocodile tears of feigned outrage over how terrible that is, while they defend, pooh--pooh, and make out all kind of excuses for Barack Obama, who has an over 20 year history of racial hatred for white people and hatred for America. Now that's chutzpah!!!
Obama's entire adult life was one of friendship with, and supporting, joining, and defending white--hating racists and America--haters (including a couple of America--hating terrorists Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorhn).
While in college Obama's mentors and friends included James Combs, leader of the racist white--hating "Black Liberation Front", whose gospel was the Malolm X philosophy, and Frank Marshall Davies, leader of the white and America--hating CPUSA (Communist Party USA). Out of college and now in Chicago, Obama joins the racist white and America--hating church Trinity UFCC, where his mentor and close friends included racist white--haters, anti--Semitic, and America--haters Jerimiah Wright Jr., and Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan. He stays with this gang of racists and their clique of racist white and America--haters for over 20 years, supporting them with his time (supposedly every Sunday, according to Obama), and his big contributions, and all the while he supposedly never, never ever heard Wright's vile racist white and America--hating sermons. This, and much, much more, the far-left Obama--worshippers on here see no problem with, but a proclamation by a Republican making April Va. Confederate History month is somehow a major incident and becomes headline news.
What a bunch of low-life racists! Nobody is more racist and sleazy than the Democrap Socialists on here, and that's a fact.

Posted by: armpeg | April 8, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Some liberal and conservative U.S. politicians need to understand slavery. All races and ethnic groups have been subjected to slavery from Jewish people in Egypt to African people in the U.S. All of Europe was involved in the slave trade.

The Democrats, the Union during the U.S. Civil War against the Confederate have no bases to be self righteous about emancipations of the Southern slave labor. In stead of dredging up the past, we should look at the present. The important issue of our time is economic equal opportunity for all Americans.

The American working class should not be discriminated against by undue burden to government taxation by an Obama Democrat federal government. Government excessive and wasteful spending is what the Tea Party is all about and to add insult to injury the spending continues to grow the national debt that will require more taxation.

The American people will stop irresponsible spending of their money by the Democrat demagogues of Obama.

Posted by: klausdmk | April 8, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

"Sixty days and its ancient history," said one GOP big wig. "Mountain out of a molehill," wrote another party strategist..."

The Republicans really do rely on their voters being morons. Sometimes this works.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | April 8, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Mc Donnell really made Virginia look bad here. He showed his true lack of character, and it's too late to try to cover it up.

And what is it with this gushing "Southern pride"? Nowhere else in America do you see people so eager to split themselves off from the rest of us, based on a complete accident of nature.

So, rednecks, you just happened to have been born in a certain geographical region of America.

So?

So your momma just happened to get impregnated by some random toothless trucker in some random Denny's bathroom in some random Southern truckstop, and you think that this makes you special?

It doesn't.

As for Mc Donnell, we knew what we were getting with the Taliban-style wingnut, so I'm not surprised.

Let's hope that the Democrats run a better candidate than Deeds next time!

Posted by: losthorizon10 | April 8, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

The regressive Neanderthal Republicans are busily trying to march us back, not one, but two centuries. They can deny it all they want but their racism has brought them to the Low they now bask in. They have abandoned all sense of civility, fairness, and honesty in their pandering to the lowest common denominator among their constituents. The Palins and Bachmanns of this Country would never have risen to such heights if sanity and intellect were, once again, running the G.O.P. They are with out morals or integrity and, until they regain these essential qualities they will be ridiculous to any thinking American. Hopefully, the Virginia Governor will only last one term. He is, in my opinion, an embarrassment to humanity.

Posted by: billnbillieskid | April 8, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

After Bob McDonnell’s thesis were unearthed during the campaign, Mr. McDonnell and his supporters claimed that he has changed and moderated his views and no longer believe women belonging in the kitchen, anti-Black viewpoints, etc. However, now we know McDonnell’s TRUE COLORS: Racist and Anti-Constitution right-winger.

The only political "gain" to be had from this asinine and completely unnecessary announcement is to rally a KKK ideologue fringe groups. Once a duck always duck! I suppose McDonnell’s portrayal of himself as moderate was just another deception! Fool me once …this moron should forget any nationwide office.

Posted by: JHigginss | April 8, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Jindal's performance matters. He will always be ridiculed. The same with Coleman. His action of being so insensitive in his proclamation, plus the apparent lack of comprehension of just what the Confederacy represents, will together keep any likelihood of a VP nomination totally improbable.

Posted by: carolsbarber | April 8, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Jindal's performance matters. He will always be ridiculed. The same with Coleman. His action of being so insensitive in his proclamation, plus the apparent lack of comprehension of just what the Confederacy represents, will together keep any likelihood of a VP nomination totally improbable.

Posted by: carolsbarber | April 8, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

"We spoke with a handful of senior Republican strategists about that question and, while all of them suggested this was a surmountable problem,"

Here's a newsflash for all these political genuises, there is not a person of color in this country who after seeing this action by McConnell would put him a heart beat away from being President of the United States.

Posted by: Coodeh | April 8, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

This is a perfect time to bring up and discuss Confederate history, since the Tea Party anarchists display the same disregard for the Union. I'm not sure though if the Tea Party'ers are smart enough to learn from past mistakes. Anyone who would have elected George W. Bush, twice.......

Posted by: JimZ1 | April 8, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

McDonnell is hardly a "rising star" in the Republican party. He needs to prove himself as governor, which will be difficult given term limits in Virginia and with the huge state deficits.

His fiasco about Confederate history month is a temporary story, as the attention span of most people is very limited. Anyway, Obama had Rev. Wright and said some politically foolish things about rural voters during the primaries. Both were bigger, more national political embarrassing stories, yet did not prevent him from defeating Clinton for the nomination, McCain in the election.

Posted by: Aprogressiveindependent | April 8, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

If McDonnell had done something this stupid while in the midst of a campaign running for office (I know, he can't run for governor again), it would've been his macaca moment. As it is, people have such short memories that by the time McDonnell runs for anything in the future, this will be completely forgotten.

Posted by: mssnatchquatch | April 8, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

I am sorry the governor backed down.
He has caved to the forces of political correctness.

Posted by: confused1 | April 8, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

I am sorry the governor backed down.
He has caved to the forces of political correctness.

Posted by: confused1 | April 8, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Nobody cares about this issue - except racist blacks who are ever-seeking "reparations" - for something none of them experienced.

It's trash tv.

Posted by: easttxisfreaky | April 8, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

CENSORED AGAIN? (AND NOT BY WA-PO, I AM VIRTUALLY CERTAIN...)

ATTENTION ERIC HOLDER, DOJ 'TRUE JUSTICE' SQUAD, JANET NAPOLITANO AND POTUS (c/o Gibbs' crew...)

My comment about the McDonnell confederacy of dunces proclamation would NOT post, and instead generated a full-screen bold type message that it was being "held for the blog owner."

I believe this message was inserted into my internet stream by a rogue government surveillance program that apparently believes it has the right to defy the chain of command and impose ideologically-motivated censorship on internet postings (see: http://nowpublic.com/world/how-u-s-spy-ops-censor-web-political-speech).

So please check out my comment, and lots of other shocking stuff your government apparently enables, in the latest comments (highest numbered page) here:

http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-govt-uses-cbs-news-cover-microwave-cell-tower-torture OR NowPublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | April 8, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I Suspect that CC has banned Ped and dribbl since they are not carpet posting this afternoon

Posted by: Moonbat | April 8, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

A newspaper reporter on the card, in the role of HEW chief "Bob Finch," sang, to the tune of A Dixie Melody," a summary of this Republican party tack that Wilkins found a bit too cute:

Rock-a-bye the voters with a southern strategy; Don't you fuss; we won't bus children in ol' Dixie! We'll put George Wallace in decline Below the Mason-Dixon line. We'll help save the nation From things like civil rights and inte-gra-tion! Weep no more, John Stennis! We'll pack the court for sure. We will fight for voting rights - To keep them white and pure! A zillion Southern votes we will deliver; Move Washington down on the Swanee River! Rock-a-bye with Ol' Massa Nixon and his Dixie strategy!

Nixon's Piano
Presidents and Racial Politics from Washington to Clinton
By Kenneth O'Reilly

(The more things change - the more they stay the same.)

Posted by: clemonssacks | April 8, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

ModerateVoter


My point about 1875 is this: the Republicans passed the First Civil Right Act


All you hear about NOW is the democrats did this, the democrats did that on civil rights - the democrats want credit for everything.


BUT WHAT IS THE STORY BEFORE THAT ?? The democrats were BLOCKING CIVIL RIGHTS FOR 90 YEARS - AND COMMITTING ALL SORTS OF STATE-SPONSORED TERRORISM AGAINST THE BLACK POPULATION.


That is the truth -

You never hear about the Civil Rights Act of 1875 - or how the democrats REPEALED it.

No, its all the Republicans who are the bad guys - that is all you hear, right??

All you hear is the Republicans don't have to say or do ANYTHING, they are racist if they just stand there and protest a bill they don't want.

That is the point -

Read your history.

Did you know that that KKK used to CONTROL BLOCKS OF DELEGATES AT THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTIONS ???

Never heard that one did you ???

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 8, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

TeaPartyPatriot posted

"McDonnell FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!"

Well, there you have it.
Republicans are not all revanchist bigots, but they sure have joined forces with them.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 8, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Will this hurt his national chances? Gee, wouldn't most people agree that "there were any number of aspects to that conflict between the states. Obviously, it involved slavery. It involved other issues. But I focused on the ones I thought were most significant for Virginia." So, of course, you wouldn't include slavery if you're only going to talk about the "significant" factors, right?

When your party is full of people who think the Census Bureau is gathering info to put you in an internment camp, that the new healthcare bill will help the government kill Grandma, who don't think global warming is an issue even though the glaciers and lakes are dwindling away, who still think invading Iraq was necessary and a good idea, and think our President is a foreigner/Muslim/Commie/Socialist/Fascist, why would a little tip of the hat to the Confederacy hurt him in the GOP?

Now, when it comes to the rest of the country, they may not have such fond memories of the Confederacy...

Posted by: baltova1 | April 8, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Another economic downturn may be the only way to save this country -- it would sink Obama and the elimination of Obama is the first necessary step in saving America.

Posted by: ravitchn | April 8, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Jindal was hot, hot, hot republican up and coming property until he mangled his way through his 'big' speech. It made him look not at all ready for prime time.

If he eventually makes it back to the national stage it will be because of hard work and achievement as governor as opposed to some other 'former half-term governor-celebrity' who will remain nameless.

Posted by: cfeher | April 8, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

It's been over 200 years, and we are much more Federalist now than in the 1700s. Maybe we need to tweak how our system works. On one hand, you have ONE of the three branches looking out for the long term of the entire country, but it is run by those that are in office only four years. You have another that does what they "feel." You have the other that talks and talks "America" but in reality only give a rip about a tiny section and how to funnel as much money to that tiny section and benefit themselves as much as possible, AND pander with the single and only goal of being re-elected in two and six years. But NOOOOO, the founding fathers were Roman gods -- take a look at their monuments and tell me I'm wrong -- and could do no wrong.

Posted by: kl3cb | April 8, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

McDonnell FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!

Posted by: TeaPartyPatriot | April 8, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

RepubNolonger


yea, that is the history - and you are allowing yourself to be manipulated by the lies of the democrats.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 8, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

As a Napolitano Republican, there is little doubt in my mind that the Republican Party has little choice BUT to choose Sarah Palin for President and Robert McDonnell for Vice President.

All know of Gov. Palin's acuity from Ms. Fey's portrayal. Gov. McDonnell, being in his national political nonage, has yet to make the big splash. Gov. McDonnell grokked jurisprudence by writing this brilliant thesis: http://tinyurl.com/nhgqav

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Ahem. Do click those ads. Great stuff there.


Posted by: Martial | April 8, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

As a Napolitano Republican, there is little doubt in my mind that the Republican Party has little choice BUT to choose Sarah Palin for President and Robert McDonnell for Vice President.

All know of Gov. Palin's acuity from Ms. Fey's portrayal. Gov. McDonnell, being in his national political nonage, has yet to make the big splash. Gov. McDonnell grokked jurisprudence can by writing this brilliant thesis: http://tinyurl.com/nhgqav

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Ahem. Do click those ads. Great stuff there.


Posted by: Martial | April 8, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I am sick and tired of the democrats aiming their fingers at people - and falsely calling people racist.

And running for office pretending to be a moderate - and going for far-left wing policies once in office.

THIS IS WHAT IS IMPORTANT - NOT THIS CRAP THE DEMOCRATS ARE HANDING YOU:

The 14-year old youth who police said drove the minivan in last week's mass shooting in Southeast Washington has been charged with 41 counts in juvenile court, including four of first-degree murder while armed, attempted murder while armed and assault with intent to kill, according to court records revealed Wednesday.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 8, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

someone wrote:
AT WHAT POINT DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO STOP HATING ???
We all should remember that the Civil Rights Act of 1875 WAS REPEALED BY THE DEMOCRATS.
THEN THE DEMOCRATS PASSED THE JIM CROW LAWS.
THEN THE DEMOCRATS ALIGNED THEMSELVES WITH THE KKK - AND STARTED HANGING BLACKS FROM TREES.
Obviously, the REAL CRIMES AFTER THE CIVIL WAR WERE COMMITTED BY THE DEMOCRATS -
However, somehow the DEMOCRATS have TWISTED THAT ALL AROUND AND THEY BLAME THE REPUBLICANS AS THE BAD GUYS.
THE COMMON THREAT IS THE DEMOCRATS STILL SEE POLITICAL ADVANTAGE IN FANNING THESE FLAMES.
REMEMBER THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY STARTED THE CIVIL WAR AND KILLED OVER 600,000 PEOPLE.
You are still being manipulated by the LIES OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
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Again---
Can you be serious? We are not buying the stupidity.

Why is the South dominated by the Republican party? Governor "Mea Culpa" McDonnell is Republican. Why is giving to the RNC a bad thing since Mr Steele is in charge? The party actually one some prominent elections.

Race politics motivates the south and has found its home in the republican party.

I once believed that the smaller government thing was so important that I could hold my nose. Not now. George Bush and the Republican Congress pretty much ruined the country for the benefit of a few.

Recently the egregious liars have been Republicans. By the way there never were Death Panels and former Governor Palin suggested.

Posted by: RepuNoLonger | April 8, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

OMG OMG OMG OMG MRS. GOVERNOR SARAH HEATH PALIN IS COMEING HERE TOMORROWO!!!! EEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

Posted by: DDAWD | April 8, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

McDonnell should be asked by the press which aspect of Confederate history he is most proud of: treason, sedition, unconditional surrender, or the defense of the notion that people are property?

Posted by: garrafa10 | April 8, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

I was relieved to hear that the governor did not stand his ground. However, this relief will be negated if this man is voted into higher public office. Every time anyone mentions how he forgot slavery, we should recoil. Anyone who forgets the impact that slavery has had on our country and our people should NEVER be elected to represent us.

Posted by: foolskid | April 8, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

@37thand0street Post of April 8, 2010 1:59 PM

So it is your argument that both parties now are exactly as they were in 1875? Too funny. Your posts really make my day. Have you looked into a career with the Daily Show? You would kill there.

Posted by: ModerateVoter | April 8, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

a commentor says, "You are still being manipulated by the LIES OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY"

It is interesting how the GOP makes these poor racists statements and the GOP commoners blame the Democrats for everything, everytime.

Slavery is conservative/Southern leadership. VA was part of the South. Period.

Racism from Slave owners believeing they still possess the right to own other human beings, outright, and proud of it, obviously with a proclamation and everything.

Good going VA.

One steo forward and four hundred years backwards.

Patrick

Posted by: patmatthews | April 8, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

SO what your saying is what we did to England, was ok, because it was washington and the founding fathers correct. What the south did was no different. In fact most of the founding fathers owned slaves and made sure they would stay that way when they worte the DoI and the consitituion.

Dude...., Again your comment presupposes that we're stupid.

Our founders rebelled against England because they had no representation in the government.

The Southerners had representation in the government. They just lost the debate. Period.

No..., Tea Party is a misnomer. More Americans voted and therefore were represented than in any election in our history. There is not usurpation of government. Barack Obama won convincingly over the maverick McCain and the conservative Palin.

Wake up. Glen Beck is telling you lies.

Posted by: RepuNoLonger | April 8, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Now there is a republican ticket that I WOULD vote for Jindal and McDonnell!
Make it happen!
This is what the American people need and want. 2 guys that are not afraid to make things happen that are not the politically correct version.
PLEASE MAKE IT SO!

Posted by: movette | April 8, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

This is definitely low speed on the minutiae trail. McDonnell originally clarified his remarks however strangely enough, that wasn't broadcast by the media. Now that he has come out with the full apology, it's done. Move on.

Posted by: rigoman33 | April 8, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

This is definitely low speed on the minutiae trail. McDonnell originally clarified his remarks however strangely enough, that wasn't broadcast by the media. Now that he has come out with the full apology, it's done. Move on.

Posted by: rigoman33 | April 8, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Michael Steele could "backpedal" a bit and become again "acceptable" to other Repubicans. He would make a stronger candidate than either McDonnell or Jindal. Steele provides a better face for the Republican party than these two or any Republican in a congressional leadership position.

Posted by: esch | April 8, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Dominionism - In a politico-religious context, dominionism (also called subjectionism) the tendency among some conservative politically-active Christians, especially in the United States, to seek influence or control over secular civil government through political action—aiming either at a nation governed by Christians, or a nation governed by a conservative Christian understanding of biblical law.

You've been warned!

Posted by: bobbarnes | April 8, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Remember that one person's patriot is always anothers traitor/terrorist. It is all a matter of perspective depending on which side you come down on...while slavery was certainly a big issue in the civil war, it was not the only issue, and to some folks not the main issue. There are those in this country right now who are espousing some of the very same sentiments that were relevant then- government trying to dictate the rights and responsibilities of peoples and taking control away from the states. State and federal government are two separate entities and need to maintain a healthy balance between themselves. Some believe that balance is once again out of whack...hopefully it can be resolved and made right before drastic measures are taken...passions run high on the matters of patriotism and what it means to be American and when there are differences of opinion we need to respect the differences and find ways to work to mitigate the differences.

NO!
Drastic measures now will be treated the same way now as they were then. They will be put down. They will be quelled. Sounds good on Glen Beck but in reality we've already been there and done that.

We have a system of government that allows for every voice to be heard. It takes effort to get your voice heard but in America unlike any other place in history - not only can it be done - it is our responsibility to get it done. But unlike other times and places in history we have the opportunity through social networking, instant communication on the internet like this one to be heard if we are persuasive.

Violence, threats of violence, and intimidation are the tools of people who have lost the argument. These are the tools of folks who couldn't convince their friends so they decide to make enemies.

We had an election in America in 2008. The majority of America said it would be best Barack Obama to lead the nation. That a majority of "white" people did not vote for him is irrelevant to the overall process. However, it seems to really burn some. This is the same sort of people who STILL want a redo on the whole, "northern war of aggression" thing. These are the same people who make a check-up from your doctor the end of the world.

Again the Republican's have overplayed their hand. We are not that stupid. It is why I am a Republican No Longer.

Posted by: RepuNoLonger | April 8, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

"Sixty days and its ancient history," said one GOP big wig. "Mountain out of a molehill," wrote another party strategist..."

Proof Republicans are tone deaf and out of touch. And yes this will have long-lasting implications for Republicans in VA and McDonnel as a viable candidate moving forward...he's done.

Posted by: summertyme40 | April 8, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

The controversy began earlier this week when McDonnell omitted any mention of slavery in a proclamation designed to commemorate the Commonwealth's role in the Civil War.

I am sorry but the "controversy" is not the omission of any mention of slavery in the proclamation. To my view, what is far more controversial is why we give confederate loving southerners a pass on celebrating treason and succession. Futhermore, why aren't current 2010 elected officals called to task more for giving comfort to such backward ideas.

The great moral arch of history consigned the confederacy to the same trash heap as the nazis, and rightly so. Both were morally bankrupt forces of evil, plain and simple.

Slavery was wrong at the founding of the country but because it accounted for a large part of the GDP, southerners were willing to overlook it. To our great credit as a nation we are still washing off the great stink of that original stain.

The confederacy was not the first or last act in America's morality play. To spend a month reviewing the most horrific scenes would be cruel and counterproductive. Southerners were not invaded, they were rebels who were quelled. They were like their first and only president Jeff Davis treasonous without trial or conviction. Unfortunately, they too like him are unrepentant for lynchings, rapings, segreation, family disolution, and all other moral degradations executed in the name of slavery and her champion the confederate states of america.

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SO what your saying is what we did to England, was ok, because it was washington and the founding fathers correct. What the south did was no different. In fact most of the founding fathers owned slaves and made sure they would stay that way when they worte the DoI and the consitituion.

The north was plannning on invading the south and the South struck first. Yes the south had slaves, all about 1% owned them and most southerners worked the fields as well. What about the white people who were indentured.

To give a month our of 12 to honor those that fought the war for state rights. It was the North that made slavery an issue.

Call me racist and what ever you want, I come froma back ground that is hated by many, GERMAN and IRISH.

If you have a problem with the way things are done here in VA, then either leave and go NORTH or dont come here and spend your money, cause we will do alright with out it.

In fact if you read the history that was not written by the NORTH after they won, you will find many articles about the black southern troops whon fought because this was THEIR HOME.

Posted by: kaisinmirtez | April 8, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

As 37th&O's posts show, bitter racism is still alive in this country. As far as I can tell, anywhere between 5-25% of the population still believes that African-Americans are intrinsically inferior to Caucasian-Americans. McDonnell thought he could capitalize on these beliefs. Why not? It worked for Nixon in '68.

Turns out it's not 1968 anymore.

Posted by: bigbrother1 | April 8, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

This guy is as far right wing as you can get. What a mistake VA made to put this guy in charge.. Nov 2009 the state of Virginia took a step 100 years backwards.

Posted by: maxonhudson | April 8, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Old McDonnell had a farm
Ee Ii ee ii oh

et cetera...

Virginia does have a bad habit of electing right-wing morons. At least McDonnell is smarter than Macaca dude in that he distanced himself from the AG when that particular idiot stirred up a lot of trouble for gratuitously attacking gay equality in Virginia universities.

Why is it that rightists whine about "government intrusion" when it's THEIR idea to intrude on an individual's right to marry whomever he/she chooses or to control what a woman does with her own body? That's intrusive!

Now McDonnell digs up the Civil War and pushes our faces in THAT. And for what reason except to pine for the days when black folks "knew their place" and lynching was a corrective measure.

Bloviating about the honorable dead among Southern CSA soldiery is not unlike the Japanese Imperial Army dead being "honored" by the die-hard right-wing militarist-gangsters in Japan at Yasukuni Shrine. It's a rallying point and gathering place for all the crazy, violent throwbacks who just can't deal with the inevitable changes in this country.

Racists whites know their days are numbered, but McDonnell offers false hope in exchange for their votes.

Posted by: Zino | April 8, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

As I have said previously, McD and Kennie C are both inferior material...pity on VA

Posted by: fairness3 | April 8, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

As I have said previously, McD and Kennie C are both inferior material...pity on VA

Posted by: fairness3 | April 8, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

The man is an idiot if he couldn't see past the need to satisfy a bunch of hillbillies reliving "Gone with the wind" that his initial comments were insensitive, to say the least. That it took two days and not two hours or two minutes for him to correct it is not a winner - reminding folks of George "Maccaa" Allen is not a winning political strategy long-term.

Posted by: LABC | April 8, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

"Does anyone really think that speech will have any impact on Jindal's potential as a presidential or vice presidential candidate?"

shrink2 writes: "Yes."

I agree. As a registered Democrat, I encourage the GOP to put him forward as their choice for a Vice Presidental candidate. Please.

And, if not Jindal, then this McDonnell fella will do just as well. The demographics are shifting hard against the Southern white man with racist and homophobic viewpoints and as long as the Republicans insist on having their party represented by members who actively offend huge swaths of the nation's voting block they're going to lose. I say this as one who used to be a Republican before the Evangelical hate machine took over.

Posted by: tracyandreen | April 8, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

The death of 364,000 Union soldiers is not enough to wipe the slate clean ?


At what point is the issue settled ???


Virginia was brought back into the Union after Reconstruction - the issue was settled.


What we have right now is people trying to re-fight this battle - continuing the hate.

AT WHAT POINT DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO STOP HATING ???

We all should remember that the Civil Rights Act of 1875 WAS REPEALED BY THE DEMOCRATS.


THEN THE DEMOCRATS PASSED THE JIM CROW LAWS.

THEN THE DEMOCRATS ALIGNED THEMSELVES WITH THE KKK - AND STARTED HANGING BLACKS FROM TREES.

Obviously, the REAL CRIMES AFTER THE CIVIL WAR WERE COMMITTED BY THE DEMOCRATS -

However, somehow the DEMOCRATS have TWISTED THAT ALL AROUND AND THEY BLAME THE REPUBLICANS AS THE BAD GUYS.


THE COMMON THREAT IS THE DEMOCRATS STILL SEE POLITICAL ADVANTAGE IN FANNING THESE FLAMES.

REMEMBER THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY STARTED THE CIVIL WAR AND KILLED OVER 600,000 PEOPLE.


You are still being manipulated by the LIES OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 8, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

The reason for the bloviating by the liberals is that they know if a poll were taken, a majority would want to live in the old south.

Posted by: TrueObserver | April 8, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

RepuNoLonger....splendid comments, just wonderful! I wish I wrote as well as you. Thank you.

Posted by: logcabin1836 | April 8, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

The whole thing is a smokescreen to keep people from talking about the third-world budget they just passed.

Posted by: squier13 | April 8, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Amazing!

The guy even combs his hair like Hitler !

Posted by: mosthind | April 8, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

shrink2 writes
"the Republicans are desperate for leadership."

Absolutely.

Posted by: bsimon1 | April 8, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

RepuNoLonger....splendid comments, just wonderful! I wish I wrote as well as you. Thank you.

Posted by: logcabin1836 | April 8, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

RepuNoLonger....splendid comments, just wonderful! I wish I wrote as well as you. Thank you.

Posted by: logcabin1836 | April 8, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Amazing!

The guy even combs his hair like Hitler !

Posted by: mosthind | April 8, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: cschotta1

SOMEWHERE IN KENYA, A VILLAGE IS MISSING ITS IDIOT

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Whatever 'village' cschotta1 lives in, no matter where cschotta1 moves to in life, will always have one idiot too many.

Posted by: grantmh | April 8, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

McDonnell could have promoted the state with "Civil War History Month" and not offended anyone in the process.

If he can't do something as simple as that without insulting the entire black population of the state, then he really has no business being in politics.

Posted by: AxelDC | April 8, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

The only reason Bob McDonnell's proclamation declaring April Confederate History month is now a major news item, is because the Democrap Socialist Party--controlled Main Stream Media's (and Chris Cillizza's) politically partisan agenda to slime any and every Republican at every opportunity. Any Republican who has even the remotest chance of running against their racist white and America--hating president Barack Obama in 2012, and any Republican candidate running against any Democrap Socialist in the November midterms for the Senate or House, will be crucified for even a minor offence from here on out--and you can take that to the bank. Any news report of a Democrap Socialist though doing the same, will be censored.
It must be nice to have the entire Main Stream Media in your hip-pocket (with only a few very rare exeptions), as the Democrap Socialist's have, tacidly helping you to win elections, by using their freedom of the press rights given them by our founding fathers to try to destroy the characters and reputations of the opposing political party, while all the while claiming to be fair and impartial.

Posted by: armpeg | April 8, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

ddawd writes
"Jindal has been willing to work with the Obama administration in New Orleans recovery. He will go against it for more high profile things like the stimulus, but notice that he wasn't one of the loud voices against health care. He made some of the grunting noises that he was supposed to, but has also worked with the Obama administration and FEMA to get funding for the construction of a giant new medical complex."


Sounds like Jindal is playing long ball, as he should. 2012 is not the right year for him to make a national move. If he bides his time, 2016 or after could be good timing on his part, if sanity returns to his party by then.

Posted by: bsimon1 | April 8, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Bob McDonnell's place in national politics is as a punchline.

Posted by: sasquatchbigfoot | April 8, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Agree completely with merrylees. If this guy is the best the GOP can come up with, the Democrats are in for a long, long time.

Sounds good to me.

Posted by: clampson | April 8, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I really don't think Gov. McDonnell is a racist, he's just a typical Republican. In their world the only black folk they really come in contact with are either serving them food or caddying their clubs.

So, When Gov. McDonnell ignored his black Va constituents with his Confederacy Proclamation and also ignored the fact that 500,000 slaves lived in Va during the war......we'll that's just the Republican in him showing itself. And it shouldn't come as any surprise either that GOP leaders Palin, Bachmann, and McCain come from states that have fewer black residents than my own neighborhood here in Md.

There's a reason 96% of all Blacks vote Democratic, Gov. McDonnell's actions the other day is just one of those many reasons why they're not fond of the GOP.

Posted by: logcabin1836 | April 8, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

The controversy began earlier this week when McDonnell omitted any mention of slavery in a proclamation designed to commemorate the Commonwealth's role in the Civil War.

I am sorry but the "controversy" is not the omission of any mention of slavery in the proclamation. To my view, what is far more controversial is why we give confederate loving southerners a pass on celebrating treason and succession. Futhermore, why aren't current 2010 elected officals called to task more for giving comfort to such backward ideas.

The great moral arch of history consigned the confederacy to the same trash heap as the nazis, and rightly so. Both were morally bankrupt forces of evil, plain and simple.

Slavery was wrong at the founding of the country but because it accounted for a large part of the GDP, southerners were willing to overlook it. To our great credit as a nation we are still washing off the great stink of that original stain.

The confederacy was not the first or last act in America's morality play. To spend a month reviewing the most horrific scenes would be cruel and counterproductive. Southerners were not invaded, they were rebels who were quelled. They were like their first and only president Jeff Davis treasonous without trial or conviction. Unfortunately, they too like him are unrepentant for lynchings, rapings, segreation, family disolution, and all other moral degradations executed in the name of slavery and her champion the confederate states of america.

Posted by: RepuNoLonger | April 8, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

I really don't think Gov. McDonnell is a racist, he's just a typical Republican. In their world the only black folk they really come in contact with are either serving them food or caddying their clubs.

So, When Gov. McDonnell ignored his black Va constituents with his Confederacy Proclamation and also ignored the fact that 500,000 slaves lived in Va during the war......we'll that's just the Republican in him showing itself. And it shouldn't come as any surprise either that GOP leaders Palin, Bachmann, and McCain come from states that have fewer black residents than my own neighborhood here in Md.

There's a reason 96% of all Blacks vote Democratic, Gov. McDonnell's actions the other day is just one of those many reasons why they're not fond of the GOP.

Posted by: logcabin1836 | April 8, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

"labeling any recent GOP winner as the flavor of the month"

This is because everyone knows the Republican candidates who lost before are not going to come back and beat Obama two years from now. So they are seeking...

But it is getting late in the day (Obama was well established as The Next Big Thing for the Democrats in 2006) even as the Republicans are getting more fragmented, not more organized, about regaining the White House.

While Obama is vulnerable, his circumstances are nothing like those the Republicans faced trying to hang on to the Presidency in 2008. So in spite of all the forced frivolity (and I am not just talking about the Young Eagles), in fact, the Republicans are desperate for leadership.

There is no Howard Dean and nothing analogous to the continuity of the Clinton dynasty. Since there is no coherence to the Republican Rising!, Flavor of the Month mode is as disastrous as it is predictable.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 8, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Which side has all the hate and the venom - seriously folks - the liberals will do anything for an excuse to CALL PEOPLE RACISTS.


Do proclamations on Black History Month include references to the victims of INNER-CITY VIOLENCE???

Seriously folks - we need MORE BALANCED PROCLAMATIONS FOR BLACK HISTORY MONTH -


We should list how many VICTIMS OF INNER CITY VIOLENCE WE HAVE.


AND HOW MANY BLACKS HAVE ENDED UP IN JAIL THAT WOULD BE MORE BALANCED.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 8, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

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You are not serious right? Let me guess you are not a racist because your best friend is black. I just have one question for you genius? How would adding "more balanced proclamations" to Black History Month better educate anyone? Unless you are to add and recognize that the drugs and the guns filtered into the Inner Cities was tunneled in by individuals other than those who habitat there. That "projects" were built for the simple reason of it being a "project". You include the drugs and the guns which promote the violence, then induce frustration and raise the violent temperament within a social group. Which then leads to the study of how many more jails can be built because this project has been so successful. Or we could include that there is a fear that because we now have a black president, America is a country of diversity. No longer being dictated by a particular race, which most likely will soon be the minority. So when McD wants to make a proclamation that April is Confederate History Month and not Civil War History Month, that’s a simple reminder to those who refuse to embrace change. This is more than politics, this is about a race that feels their grip of domination has been tilted and no longer can be proactive but now reactive.

Posted by: Goleftstopatred | April 8, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

"pennv" wrote:

Remember that one person's patriot is always anothers traitor/terrorist. It is all a matter of perspective depending on which side you come down on...while slavery was certainly a big issue in the civil war, it was not the only issue, and to some folks not the main issue. There are those in this country right now who are espousing some of the very same sentiments that were relevant then- government trying to dictate the rights and responsibilities of peoples and taking control away from the states. State and federal government are two separate entities and need to maintain a healthy balance between themselves. Some believe that balance is once again out of whack...hopefully it can be resolved and made right before drastic measures are taken...passions run high on the matters of patriotism and what it means to be American and when there are differences of opinion we need to respect the differences and find ways to work to mitigate the differences.

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WORTH A REPOST! Too bad "pennv" isn't on WAPO's editorial board.

Posted by: JAH3 | April 8, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

IN fact, the abolitionists were crossing the border - and helping the slaves to escape to the North.

This was going on all over Virginia - and west along the Ohio River - where people from Ohio were raiding Kentucky to take the slaves.

Posted by: 37thand0street
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Many abolitionists were Quakers. While they did what they could to free slaves and end slavery, they never advocating war. The war was actually started by the secession of Southern states upon the election of an abolitionist president and the blockade and attack on Fort Sumter.

What I have quoted you saying above is all true, but you sound bitter about it. To the vast majority of Americans every person who contributed to the ending of slavery is a hero. I am sorry for you that you do not seem to understand why this is.

Posted by: bigbrother1 | April 8, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

"How much damage -- if any -- has Va. governor done to his national prospects?" - the very corrupt liberal/progressive POST

..... Don't know POST......how bad will the fact that the POST got caught pimping for Obama's HC plan for between $25K and $250K

Or how the POST rountinely COOKS their polls, the POST still hasn't shown Obama's approval level below 50% EVERY other so-called news organization has.

And who can forget how the liberal/progressive fascists at the POST attacked McDonnell with old story from the 1980's while at the same time running Deeds campaign in Virgina.

Folks.......EVERYONE knows the POST hates McDonnell.........why do you think the meaningless story is still on the POST website.

If it looks and sounds like a duck .........it probably is......

Posted by: allenridge | April 8, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Remember that one person's patriot is always anothers traitor/terrorist. It is all a matter of perspective depending on which side you come down on...while slavery was certainly a big issue in the civil war, it was not the only issue, and to some folks not the main issue. There are those in this country right now who are espousing some of the very same sentiments that were relevant then- government trying to dictate the rights and responsibilities of peoples and taking control away from the states. State and federal government are two separate entities and need to maintain a healthy balance between themselves. Some believe that balance is once again out of whack...hopefully it can be resolved and made right before drastic measures are taken...passions run high on the matters of patriotism and what it means to be American and when there are differences of opinion we need to respect the differences and find ways to work to mitigate the differences.

Posted by: pennv | April 8, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

He's getting all his racist-good-old-boy-white-trash paybacks done early in his term. Not that will make nay difference. Once an ayhole, always an ayhole, but that won't stop him from running for higher office. Folks, the bottom line is that republipigs are:

1. homophobic neanderthals
2. tax-phobic cockroaches
3. selfish cowards
4. religious hypocrites
5. mean spirited jackasses
6. hateful mama's boys
7. sexually repressed perverts
8. anal retentive crybabies
9. self-righteous simpletons
10. misogynists
11. rednecks
12. anti-intellectuals
13. paranoid schizophrenics
13. callous slugs
14. greedy hogs
15. stupid, stupid, stupid

Furthermore, Virginia, being part of the old south is still a cesspool of ignorance, intolerance, ignominy and idiocy.

Posted by: adrienne_najjar | April 8, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

What national prospects? We picked the bigot over the pickpocket. Neither one had or has any national prospects.

Posted by: Bill64738 | April 8, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I've lived here for 25 years and it's sad and frightening to see the Gov and AG roll back the clock. It's embarassing. And no I won't leave because I don't like how they do things here. Well see how much of a jobs Governor he is, if he doesn't frighten away potential employers.

Posted by: wpf52kitty | April 8, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

My guess is that his original proclamation would gain him credibility among the GOP base. His modification will hurt him with Tea Party and other right wing zealots.

Posted by: cdierd1944 | April 8, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

My guess is that his original proclamation would gain him credibility among the GOP base. His modification will hurt him with Tea Party and other right wing zealots.

Posted by: cdierd1944 | April 8, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

This is a good question. IMO, yes, he's lost his chance for the national stage. This horrendous decision will haunt him for the rest of his career, as badly or worse than Allen's "macaca" moment.

But my faith in the American people has been lifted by our reacting so strongly and unequivocally against McDonnell and his attempt to lie about our history. Lies that ugly can only serve purposes too ugly to contemplate. The American people will have none of it.

Posted by: bigbrother1 | April 8, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

37th & O writes
"From the Southern point of view, the abolitionists were stealing their property, and running across the border."


In your judgement, which side had the right of it?


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Posted by: bsimon1 | April 8, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I've lived here for 25 years and it's really sad and frightening to see The Gov an AG roll back the clock. It's embarassing. People call me a Yankee, but I'm actually a Midwesterner and no I'm not going back to where I came from.

Posted by: wpf52kitty | April 8, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

I've lived here for 25 years and it's really sad and frightening to see The Gov an AG roll back the clock. It's embarassing. People call me a Yankee, but I'm actually a Midwesterner and no I'm not going back to where I came from.

Posted by: wpf52kitty | April 8, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

justvisiting73 writes
"Maybe it's just me, but I wasn't aware McDonnell was a huge part of the national conversation to begin with."

Me too.

Though part of it is the punditocracy's habit of labelling any recent GOP winner as the flavor of the month: Scott Brown, Bob McDonnell, Rubio, Perry, etc. More largely speaking, you could say the punditocracy tags any Repub that spouts nonsense loudly as the FOTM: Palin, Bachmann, etc.

Of those, McDonnell is the only one who's attracted moderate voters & all the reports I hear about him are sung to the tune of "buyer's remorse".

Posted by: bsimon1 | April 8, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I've lived here for 25 years and it's really sad and frightening to see The Gov an AG roll back the clock. It's embarassing. People call me a Yankee, but I'm actually a Midwesterner and no I'm not going back to where I came from.

Posted by: wpf52kitty | April 8, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

One has to remember ONE THING - the abolitionists were AGITATING FOR THE WAR.


IN fact, the abolitionists were crossing the border - and helping the slaves to escape to the North.

From the Southern point of view, the abolitionists were stealing their property, and running across the border.


This was going on all over Virginia - and west along the Ohio River - where people from Ohio were raiding Kentucky to take the slaves.

The idea that there was peace before the war was not exactly telling the whole story.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 8, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

One has to remember ONE THING - the abolitionists were AGITATING FOR THE WAR.


IN fact, the abolitionists were crossing the border - and helping the slaves to escape to the North.

From the Southern point of view, the abolitionists were stealing their property, and running across the border.


This was going on all over Virginia - and west along the Ohio River - where people from Ohio were raiding Kentucky to take the slaves.

The idea that there was peace before the war was not exactly telling the whole story.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 8, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps, Virgina could celebrate "America Day." That surely would bring together Dems and GOPs, right wing, left wing, black, white, etc. ?????? Heck, isn't that what we do on the 4th of July? I got it. Virginia could declare July 4th the day Virgins celebrate being Americans.

Posted by: jminette | April 8, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

BLACKS IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA SHOULD BOYCOTT VIRGINA TOURIST ATTRACTIONS THROUGHOUT THE STATE! NO KING DOMINION, WILLIAMSBURG, VIRGINIA BEACHES, LURAY CAVENS!!! STAY HOME OR GO TO NC OR SC!!!


Posted by: demtse

Sounds great to me, and watch as the crime rate goes down and Kings Dominion will once again be a place to take your family. YES THEY CAN!!

Posted by: cschotta1 | April 8, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I think it was an honest mistake.

He will be passed over for the Veepstakes because, thus far, he has done nothing to create jobs in Virginia, he embraces a budget that is lethal to education, he has seen costs of higher education go through the roof, and he is undercut by a ideological attorney general.

Ob the plus side, he has re-opened a few rest stops, and...let me get back to you.

Posted by: BaltimoreCotls59 | April 8, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

He has done no damage to his national prospects because he has no national prospects. Sarah Palin dominates the right all the way to the middle. Should she decide she wants to lead the ticket, then she'll need a far-right protege who'll do the hatchet job on the Democratic ticket without hesitation. That's not really where a Virginia Governor fits in. But a Mississippi Governor could.

Posted by: blasmaic | April 8, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

It will matter in the eyes of:

a) CLOSET RACISTS, who scream the loudest about racism
b) TALKING HEADS, who get paid by stoking the fires of discontent
C) the less than creditable, unreliable, holier than thou MAINSTREAM MEDIA

Posted by: JAH3 | April 8, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

demtse:


You sound like an idiot, boycott Kings Dominion? For one month? If it were something that really offended you, wouldn't you boycott Virginia forever? Stop playing into the media "racist" coverage.

Posted by: Jsuf | April 8, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

It would have been okay if McDonnell had called it "Civil War History Month," but by labeling it "Confederate History Month," he threw a rock at a hornet's nest.

Both the country and Virginia have changed a lot in the last ten years, since the last VA Republican gov pulled a stunt like this. For McDonnell to try to and blatantly kiss up to the right means that he has only alienated the center.

People hate this Confederate stuff. Most of the country sees embracing the Confederacy as embracing slavery and treason. I know that a lot of Southerners "don't care" what the rest of country thinks, but McDonnell got a lesson yesterday in how much times have changed.

Posted by: sslatten3 | April 8, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Seems to me that Mcdonnall is not a racist, he just panders to them. I will call it as I see it. Gov. Bob knew what he said, and left the message of"Im with you guys, the racists" out ther long enough . Then he triangulated to get the moderates back on board.We dont need this guy on the national stage.

Posted by: pvogel88 | April 8, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse


Obama 'One and Done' LMAO! By who??? Romney is a fraud and couldn't buy Iowa last time! The Manchester Union Leader and many other papers ran Anti-Editorials against him then! Nothing has changed. THAT is how much of a fraud Romney is.

I do think that Palin could win Iowa; however, she can't win the nomination and Pawlenty is falling apart rating wise in Minnesota. Hannity can't run as he has enough on his hands helping a charity fraud called the 'Freedom Concert' series, so he can't run.

Posted by: Bladerunnernyc | April 8, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

I love how many posters here say most Southerners didn't own slave, but "fought for the cause". That "cause" would be economic and political independence from U.S. government interference. Funny, that's why Al Queda kills U.S. soldiers. Guess you are brothers-in-arms.
Virginia can stand with the Taliban, Al Queda, the Confederate army, and Iraqi insurgents who believe the killing of U.S. soldiers is a way to protect their way of life and honor their heritage.
As a counter to Virginia's hatred of the United States armed forces, we here in MD should declare the entire month of May United States Month culminating with Memorial Day. Honoring those who actually love the United States and fight and die under the U.S flag. God bless the United States of America!!

Posted by: mdmtnbiker | April 8, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

LMAO...this from a Rethuglican't who most likely never attended college let alone completed high school (recall that the Rethulican't voters were the least educated of the voting population when "your" President was elected into office in 2008.)...LMAO; it's really sad that the President is hated most because he's so articulate (look it up, I'm sure you have no idea what it means.) The President graduated from Columbia University and that's not possible with less than a 2.0 GPA (that's grade point average for you idiot) which is all that George Dubya had when he graduated and that was given to him for who he was and not because he earned it, LMAO...I love it when the uneducated questions the President's education credentials, LMAO!!!

Posted by: Beingsensible

Funny how those that demand more entitlements are democRATS, while WHINING about Bush giving tax cuts to the rich Republicans, no? Obama articulate? LOL Care to try again? More like completely arrogant uppity liberal. Dubya did well as a Governor, served our country and made a ton of money with a baseball team, while your Messiah had to write to victim books to become noticed, sense voting PRESENT wasn't doing him any good!! Still lib, why won't your Messiah release his grades or papers? What's he so afraid of? Anyone can read a teleprompter but it takes someone special to lead, which is painfully obvious he can't do. But you have to admit, Obama is really good at grabbing his ankles, no? Isn't that what libs do best, run and hide and blame someone else when times get tough? Obama will do more to destroy the democRAT party than I could ever dream of. You libs wanted a failed community organizer as POTUS, now DEAL WITH IT!!

SOMEWHERE IN KENYA, A VILLAGE IS MISSING ITS IDIOT

Posted by: cschotta1 | April 8, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

This issue of slavery at the BEGINNING OF THE CIVIL WAR is complicated - because Lincoln never said in the election of 1860 that he wanted to free the slaves -


So it does NOT follow that Lincoln was going to free the slaves UPON TAKING OFFICE

In fact, the South had enough votes in the Senate to block ALL LEGISLATIVE ACTIONS ON SLAVERY. I think we can all understand this with our recent filibuster experience.

At the time, the Senate was carefully balanced to have hald the Senators from Free States and half from the South - so no side could have a legislative advantage - and BOTH sides could BLOCK legislations it did not like.


That worked for a time.

The question is - WHY did the South start to find that arrangement inadequate - and decide to succeed instead of continuing to work within the Union?


So what STARTED the WAR ???

One spark was the NORTH was trying to IMPOSE ITS VALUES ON VIRGINIA - sure sounds like what happened this week - EVERYONE ELSE WAS DEMANDING WHAT THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA SHOULD WRITE ON A PIECE OF PAPER.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 8, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Hey Chris, is former Governor and former Republican Chairman Gilmore from Virginia national VP material? Reason I ask (and obviously the answer is absolutely not) Backpedal Bob somehow made Gilmore look like a freakin statesmen with his ineptitude in handling the simplest of tasks. Look, Backpedal Bob somehow bamboozled moderate and independent Virginia voters into actually believing he had put his anti-gay, anti-woman, lets-return-to-the Eisnehower-Era-of-whites-in-power-and women-subservient views behind and was a voice of reason and moderation. This despite you having to suspend belief and expect that someone espousing views like his at a relatively mature stage in life (certainly in your thirties your foundational beliefs are pretty solid -- I know mine were) had actually seen the folly of his "youth" and could now be trusted to respect people of all backgrounds. Sorry Chris he is toast. I used to think Virginia's term limit on Governors was a bad thing --- now I am extremely grateful that this jerk can only be around for forty-two more months. By the way: all of you Obama and his preacher ranters just remember this clown's patron is Pat-everyone-who-disagrees-with-him-will-go-to-hell-Robertson.

Posted by: army164 | April 8, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse


BLACKS IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA SHOULD BOYCOTT VIRGINA TOURIST ATTRACTIONS THROUGHOUT THE STATE! NO KING DOMINION, WILLIAMSBURG, VIRGINIA BEACHES, LURAY CAVENS!!! STAY HOME OR GO TO NC OR SC!!!

THE ONLY WAY TO GET EVEN WITH THOSE WHO PRACTICE WHITE SUPREMACY IS, WITHHOLDING YOUR DOLLARS! MONEY IS THE ONLY THING THEY UNDERSTAND!!!

I BESEECH EVERYONE READING THIS ARTICLE TO CONTACT FRIENDS AND RELATIVES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY TO BOYCOTT VIRGINIA TOURISM FOR ONE MONTH!!!

Posted by: demtse | April 8, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

This rag will do anything to try to bring McDonnell down. That 10 year old thesis issue was a bust. Cizzilla and company is dying a slow death.

Posted by: 12oreo | April 8, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Internet 101: don't respond to trolls. It's clear cschotta1 is here to insult and infuriate people with his stunning ignorance. Correcting him only encourages more nonsense babble and spam. He's clearly not interested in facts. IGNORE HIM.

Posted by: BigTunaTim | April 8, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I rely on Ddawd to verify Jindal news, but from a neighboring state I also agree with Ddawd. Jindal actually is well spoken despite the evidence of the SOTU response. I have seen some of his in-state presentations, not as many as Ddawd has seen in N.O., but what I have seen is like what Ddawd describes.

Jindal's fundamentalism turns me off, too. But I would trade Goodhair for him in a heartbeat.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | April 8, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

BLACKS IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA SHOULD BOYCOTT VIRGINA TOURIST ATTRACTIONS THROUGHOUT THE STATE! NO KING DOMINION, WILLIAMSBURG, VIRGINIA BEACHES, LURAY CAVENS!!! STAY HOME OR GO TO NC OR SC!!!

THE ONLY WAY TO GET EVEN WITH THOSE WHO PRACTICE WHITE SUPREMACY IS, WITHHOLDING YOUR DOLLARS! MONEY IS THE ONLY THING THEY UNDERSTAND!!!

I BESEECH EVERYONE READING THIS ARTICLE TO CONTACT FRIENDS AND RELATIVES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY TO BOYCOTT VIRGINIA TOURISM FOR ONE MONTH!!!

Posted by: demtse | April 8, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

So, what is the difference between the GOP, the KKK, and the Nazi's?
Or, is their any?

Posted by: laurelphoto | April 8, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

None of the wingnuts have a chance on either side. He already had a history of stupid statements, this is just the latest one. So my answer is no, it won't hurt his chances because he never had one.

Posted by: _Cowabunga_ | April 8, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

How much damage has the Guv done to his prospects on the national stage?

Not much, at least the way things are trending these days.

Who knows, maybe the GOP will become a secessionist party.

Or maybe we'll get lucky and the GOP will go the way of the Whigs.

Posted by: Carl_Goss | April 8, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

BLACKS IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA SHOULD BOYCOTT VIRGINA TOURIST ATTRACTIONS THROUGHOUT THE STATE! NO KING DOMINION, WILLIAMSBURG, VIRGINIA BEACHES, LURAY CAVENS!!! STAY HOME OR GO TO NC OR SC!!!

THE ONLY WAY TO GET EVEN WITH THOSE WHO PRACTICE WHITE SUPREMACY IS, WITHHOLDING YOUR DOLLARS! MONEY IS THE ONLY THING THEY UNDERSTAND!!!

I BESEECH EVERYONE READING THIS ARTICLE TO CONTACT FRIENDS AND RELATIVES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY TO BOYCOTT VIRGINIA TOURISM FOR ONE MONTH!!!

Posted by: demtse | April 8, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

What does "guts" have to do with political ideology? Conservatives love to talk all this elementary school playground bully nonsense. Lots of bluster and belligerence and no understanding of anything that means anything to anyone.

Posted by: John1263 | April 8, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Don't engage cschotta, just treat him like the clown he is.

Posted by: koolkat_1960

Agreed. Its easier to bash than uplift and obviously bashing is what cschotta is good at. Bottom line is, an independent like myself, would not vote for McDonnel on any political stage.


Posted by: bgal | April 8, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

HE'S GOT MY VOTE!

Posted by: genbarlow | April 8, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

This is all a big Democrat media enhanced blowup over nothing, like what harm is a month set aside for the study and reflection upon the Confederacy is going to do to the people of Viginia, or to the country for that matter. Democrats are looking for anything to deflect the still simmering ill will against them throughout the country.

Posted by: hared | April 8, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Reason 5- LMAO at your opinion on the CW.

1. 'War of Northern Aggression'..........LMAO!!!!!!!!! In the words of the future VP of the CSA>>>>>> Mr. Lincoln is a good man...an honorable man....I also have the pleasure of calling him my friend.......this step [the secession of Georgia,] once taken can never be recalled; and all the baleful and withering consequences that must follow will rest on the Convention for all coming time. When we and our posterity shall see our lovely South desolated by the demon of war which this act of yours will inevitably invite and call forth; when our green fields of waving harvests shall be trodden down by the murderous soldiery and fiery car of war sweeping over our land; our temples of justice laid in ashes; all the horrors and desolation of war upon us--who but this Convention will be held responsible for it?

-Alexander Stephens- Future Vice President of the Confederate States of America

2. The war was started by the aristocratic Southern elite- it was there drive for greater wealth, power and a vast slave empire stretching from Cuba to Baje California which fueled that drive. Even Shelby Foote said; 'Never before in history have a people with so many rights, freedoms and liberty started a war for such a bad cause.'

3. THE GREAT STATE OF VIRGINIA HAD LAWS ON THE BOOKS AND ENFORCED THAT MADE IT ILLEGAL TO TEACH SLAVES, FREE BLACKS OR MIXED RACE (mulatto) TO READ OR WRITE! The fact that Jackson didn't own any slaves means what? Tell us all- WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? He was a traitor. His fellow Virginian- General George Thomas was 100% correct when he called them 'all traitors to freedom and the United States'.

What is there to honor in Virginia? THEY WERE TRAITORS AND FOUGHT AGAINST LIBERTY, FREEDOM AND THE UNITED STATES!!!!!

4. Lee & Jackson would happily have welcomed the British into the war on the side of the CSA! THAT is a way to celebrate the history of Virginia? Why did it take Lee over 5 years to free the Custis slaves since you mention the technical fact that he didn't own slaves- and what did Lee say about slavery- in his own words in 1856;


'...I think it however a greater evil to the white man than to the black race, & while my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more strong for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence.'

-Robert E Lee 1856

Posted by: Bladerunnernyc | April 8, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

making predictions about the presidential race for 2012 is like flipping a coin this far out. All things remaining equal the only question is which republicon is President Obama going to trounce?

Posted by: John1263

Obama is toast! He's lost the swing voters and will not be getting them back. And there aren't enough kooks voters to carry him over. Honestly loser, do you really think he can run on the color of his skin again? And don't you realize that the GOP will actually have a true conservative who's 100% American and 100% proud of his country?

BIDEN/OBAMA-"ONE AND DONE"

Posted by: cschotta1 | April 8, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

While this guffaw was bad enough, he has made questionable decision's throughout his career. No wonder he didn't REALLY practice law and spent his career running for office.

This decision was shallow and narrow-minded and just a sample of his ultra conservatism and his passion for self-promotion. With Bob McDonnell, there is no substance.

These guys who lobbied McD for this proclamation, are border-line lunatics....the fact that he let them persuade him to issue such a document, speaks volumes about McD.

And he has been in office less than 4 full months. Let him run...maybe with Sarah Palin...what a ticket!!!

A wiser move would to celebrate Virginia History Month...Virginia is rich in history with many wonderful historic sites to visit.

Posted by: ilcn | April 8, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

@battleground51: "Only partisan liberals are interested in re-crushing the Confederacy. It's dead history for most Americans."

So conservatives once again attempt to rewrite the history of the Civil War, and liberals are to blame for dredging up old history? Those partisan blinders are getting thicker with each passing year.

In fact, this article spells out exactly what every American needs to know about the modern day burned-out shell of the once respectable Republican Party: a candidate who condemns slavery hurts his or her electoral chances. It would sound like vicious left wing propaganda were it not on full display for all to see.

Posted by: BigTunaTim | April 8, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

The controversy stirred by the McDonnell proclamation amounts to an unforced error by a politician who had been on quite a good streak of late.
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Good streak?? What governor are you talking about?? So far, this is his supposed success:
40% cut to education
Cut to health care for single mothers and children
His AG is suing the Federal Givt
He supports not hiring people based on sexual orientation

Oh, but wait, he DID open the Rest Stops! THAT is an accomplishment...

Posted by: phorse | April 8, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

frieda asked...

"i'm curious. why should the confederate soldiers be honored? they tried to destroy this nation. today, they'd be called terrorists, right?"

Right. One of worst atrocities committed by the Confederacy was Camp Sumter, also called Andersonville. It was their largest prison. In just a few months, about 13,000 soldiers died there as a result of the conditions the Confederacy created.

The North did wrong too, Camp Douglas, Sherman's atrocities in Georgia...war is Hell. Studying history is good, but celebrating the legacy of the Confederacy, that makes no sense.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 8, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

The number one problem for McDonnell is that he offended not just the left and center, with his first proclamation, but also the hard Confederate right, with his climbdown.

To them, he's cravenly backed down to the "PC crowd". That's why you're not seeing any Republicans defending him.

Posted by: JenDray | April 8, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

making predictions about the presidential race for 2012 is like flipping a coin this far out. All things remaining equal the only question is which republicon is President Obama going to trounce?

Posted by: John1263 | April 8, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Don't engage cschotta, just treat him like the clown he is.

Posted by: koolkat_1960

Pot meet kettle!

LIBERALISM.......THE GUTLESS CHOICE!

Posted by: cschotta1 | April 8, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Earth to cschotta1: you don't get into Harvard, let alone Editor of the Law Review on Affirmative Action, no matter what you may think. Just compare the Law Schools Obama and McDonnell went to--a real law school and #1 in the USA vs. a school for religious nutcases who aren't bright enough to get into a real school. Educate yourself.

Posted by: commonsense101

Really lib? Perhaps you can show me your Messiah's grades from Columbia, but to do that you will need to have your Messiah release them. LMAO! And please show me ONE paper that your Messiah released while as Editor, eh? Face it dork, Obama is nothing but affirmative action on steroids. He can't pronounce "corpsman", thought we have 57 states, worked for ACORN yet didn't know they were federally funded, spent over 20 years with Reverend Wright yet didn't know he was a racist preacher. So spare me your WHINE lib, Obama is about as dumb as they come, which is why he's a democRAT. Must sux being a POS liberal, eh?

"IMAGINE NO LIBERALS, WHAT A WONDERFUL WORLD IT WOULD BE!"

Posted by: cschotta1

LMAO...this from a Rethuglican't who most likely never attended college let alone completed high school (recall that the Rethulican't voters were the least educated of the voting population when "your" President was elected into office in 2008.)...LMAO; it's really sad that the President is hated most because he's so articulate (look it up, I'm sure you have no idea what it means.) The President graduated from Columbia University and that's not possible with less than a 2.0 GPA (that's grade point average for you idiot) which is all that George Dubya had when he graduated and that was given to him for who he was and not because he earned it, LMAO...I love it when the uneducated questions the President's education credentials, LMAO!!!

Posted by: Beingsensible | April 8, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Earth to cschotta1: you don't get into Harvard, let alone Editor of the Law Review on Affirmative Action, no matter what you may think. Just compare the Law Schools Obama and McDonnell went to--a real law school and #1 in the USA vs. a school for religious nutcases who aren't bright enough to get into a real school. Educate yourself.

Posted by: commonsense101

Really lib? Perhaps you can show me your Messiah's grades from Columbia, but to do that you will need to have your Messiah release them. LMAO! And please show me ONE paper that your Messiah released while as Editor, eh? Face it dork, Obama is nothing but affirmative action on steroids. He can't pronounce "corpsman", thought we have 57 states, worked for ACORN yet didn't know they were federally funded, spent over 20 years with Reverend Wright yet didn't know he was a racist preacher. So spare me your WHINE lib, Obama is about as dumb as they come, which is why he's a democRAT. Must sux being a POS liberal, eh?

"IMAGINE NO LIBERALS, WHAT A WONDERFUL WORLD IT WOULD BE!"

Posted by: cschotta1

LMAO...this from a Rethuglican't who most likely never attended college let alone completed high school (recall that the Rethulican't voters were the least educated of the voting population when "your" President was elected into office in 2008.)...LMAO; it's really sad that the President is hated most because he's so articulate (look it up, I'm sure you have no idea what it means.) The President graduated from Columbia University and that's not possible with less than a 2.0 GPA (that's grade point average for you idiot) which is all that George Dubya had when he graduated and that was given to him for who he was and not because he earned it, LMAO...I love it when the uneducated questions the President's education credentials, LMAO!!!

Posted by: Beingsensible | April 8, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

McDonnell's speech will be a big plus for him with the racist scum that up most of the Repuke Party, although the apology might hurt his standing with them.

Posted by: daweeni | April 8, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

By Cillizza:

The controversy stirred by the McDonnell proclamation amounts to an unforced error by a politician who had been on quite a good streak of late. It's far from determinative in terms of his political future but almost certainly will slow his rapid upward trajectory -- at least in the near term
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McDonnell's political career is over. He and the United States of America will be reminded each year while McDonnell's in office of "Confederate History Month" celebration that will be held in Virginia.

The economic damage and property values will plummet because of the lack of common sense of the current States Attorney and Governor.

I use to love shopping in Virginia, but like many, we will shop where bigotry is not the foundation of economic gain. To tourism relating to a period of US History that has caused so much damage toward a race of people was just illogical to do.

D****...how much money DID the Sons of the Confederate contribute toward McDonnell's campaign?

Obviously, substantial amounts and the beautiful people of Virginia will be the ones that will pay the penalties of this huge level of Leadership irresponsibility for years to come, to include well after McDonnell has left office.


Posted by: TwoSons | April 8, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

I would guess that the Governor was trying to send a very clear message to a certain segment of the GOP "base". I would say that message was VERY effective. I now know PRECISELY who and what he is.

The fact that he didn't realize or didn't care what the rest of the state/ country would feel about the situation is either a colassal lack of judgement or, more likely, a statement that he just doesn't care. Not wise if he's planning a lengthy or national level political career.

Posted by: CathyDawkins | April 8, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Earth to cschotta1: you don't get into Harvard, let alone Editor of the Law Review on Affirmative Action, no matter what you may think. Just compare the Law Schools Obama and McDonnell went to--a real law school and #1 in the USA vs. a school for religious nutcases who aren't bright enough to get into a real school. Educate yourself.

Posted by: commonsense101

Really lib? Perhaps you can show me your Messiah's grades from Columbia, but to do that you will need to have your Messiah release them. LMAO! And please show me ONE paper that your Messiah released while as Editor, eh? Face it dork, Obama is nothing but affirmative action on steroids. He can't pronounce "corpsman", thought we have 57 states, worked for ACORN yet didn't know they were federally funded, spent over 20 years with Reverend Wright yet didn't know he was a racist preacher. So spare me your WHINE lib, Obama is about as dumb as they come, which is why he's a democRAT. Must sux being a POS liberal, eh?

"IMAGINE NO LIBERALS, WHAT A WONDERFUL WORLD IT WOULD BE!"

Posted by: cschotta1

LMAO...this from a Rethuglican't who most likely never attended college let alone completed high school (recall that the Rethulican't voters were the least educated of the voting population when "your" President was elected into office in 2008.)...LMAO; it's really sad that the President is hated most because he's so articulate (look it up, I'm sure you have no idea what it means.) The President graduated from Columbia University and that's not possible with less than a 2.0 GPA (that's grade point average for you idiot) which is all that George Dubya had when he graduated and that was given to him for who he was and not because he earned it, LMAO...I love it when the uneducated questions the President's education credentials, LMAO!!!

Posted by: Beingsensible | April 8, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

The Confederacy and slavery is part of our history, and the study of any history can be a good thing, warts and all; moreover, the events cannot be changed.

Posted by: hared | April 8, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Which side has all the hate and the venom - seriously folks - the liberals will do anything for an excuse to CALL PEOPLE RACISTS.

Do proclamations on Black History Month include references to the victims of INNER-CITY VIOLENCE???


Seriously folks - we need MORE BALANCED PROCLAMATIONS FOR BLACK HISTORY MONTH -


We should list how many VICTIMS OF INNER CITY VIOLENCE WE HAVE.

AND HOW MANY BLACKS HAVE ENDED UP IN JAIL THAT WOULD BE MORE BALANCED.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 8, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

cschotta1 - it seems that you are more concern about liberals and their perceived actions than you are about the actaul issue. In what way was the proclamation to promote tourism? How many minority groups would be interested in visiting a state that wants to celebrate a time in history where humans were treated worse than animals and sold like cattle? I think the Gov would've been able to put a better spin on it if he simply declared a "Civil War History" month. It was a dumb move and it will cost him some votes.

Posted by: bgal


YAWN!! The only ones who care about this "episode" are democRATS, who play the race card whenever possible, while ignoring the degression of the black family on their watch!

Posted by: cschotta1 | April 8, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Do these people actually believe that Obama doesn't know how many states are in the US?

And in that clip, he actually mentions that he is going to visit one more and there are two that he wouldn't visit at all. So technically doesn't he think there are 60?

Posted by: DDAWD | April 8, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Jindal's comment bemoaning "$62 million for something called volcano monitoring" has stuck in my head as one of the stupidest things ever said by a politician from this lobotomised party.

The USAF had already credited USGS volcano monitoring with saving them billions by predicting Mt Pinatubo.

It was even funnier when Mt Redoubt erupted in Alaska about two weeks after his speech ... an eruption USGS had already predicted before Jindal spoke. Fortunately the aircraft at Anchorage airport were in hangars in good time. A certain Gov Palin thanked the volcano monitoring service.

Posted by: JenDray | April 8, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Don't engage cschotta, just treat him like the clown he is.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | April 8, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I am not quite sure if McDonnell can survive this or not. Frankly I am disappointed that his handlers couldn't figure out that this move was a slam dunk for the lefties. They love making everything a race issue. When are people going to realize that not everything comes down to race? Every different group in America is recognized by some celebration or another. Who cares if they want to have a confederate month? The Civil War is part of the US history, get over it. It's not as if the confederate history month is celebrating slavery. Even if McDonnell had put something condemning slavery in the initial proclamation, the left still would have reacted the same way. The race card is getting old and needs to be dropped. We have an African American President for pete's sake. Move on people, stop making a race issue.

Posted by: Jsuf | April 8, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Before one makes too much of one blunder, consider one of the most widely panned speeches at a nominating convention--Bill Clinton. Jindal will have several years of governing under his belt, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him on the national stage again.

In other comebacks--Joe Biden and his Welsh heritage. [Kidding--the cribbing of the life history of the Labor Party leader.] Now he's VEEP.

Finally, too much may be made of the Macaca Moment by George Allen. That was one of a series of unforced errors, though the most serious of them.

This event stings and it should, but it may not last.

BB

Posted by: JakeD3 | April 8, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

If McDonnell is able to secure any oil revenues for the state by successfully wresting it from exclusively Federal control, all will be forgiven and forgotten. He's basically put his career on the line for that, because it's the only way in the medium-term that Virginia will dig itself out of its self-inflicted fiscal hole. Otherwise, he'll go down as another Gilmore who failed to bring in enough revenues to run the state.

McDonnell can't get there by cutting government- everything has already been cut to the bone and the only thing left is to start shutting down entire departments of government or else drastically curtailing services.

But this Confederacy controversy is not that important; I think it was just sloppy staff work and he seems to be sincerely apologetic about it. I wish McDonnell well because he's the only hope we have for the next four years here in Virginia, like it or not. I don't want to see him so weakened politically that he can't govern the state effectively.

Posted by: stillaliberal | April 8, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Palin-McDonnell 2012...oh please God make it happen; save me some money on campaign contributions, LOL!!!

Posted by: Beingsensible


BIDEN/OBAMA '12 FOR A WEAKER AMERICA!!

Posted by: cschotta1 | April 8, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Why do you assume he would be a VP pick rather than a presidential candidate?

Posted by: HardyW | April 8, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

McDonnell compounded a serious error in judgement - issuing the proclamation to please a right-wing conservative core constituency - by opening a Pandora's box of that same constituency's views of history, slavery, and racism - to public scrutiny. His apology might help him a little, but that box is still open for Americans to see.

Posted by: dudh | April 8, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

"Really lib? Perhaps you can show me your Messiah's grades from Columbia, but to do that you will need to have your Messiah release them. LMAO! And please show me ONE paper that your Messiah released while as Editor, eh? Face it dork, Obama is nothing but affirmative action on steroids. He can't pronounce "corpsman", thought we have 57 states, worked for ACORN yet didn't know they were federally funded, spent over 20 years with Reverend Wright yet didn't know he was a racist preacher. So spare me your WHINE lib, Obama is about as dumb as they come, which is why he's a democRAT. Must sux being a POS liberal, eh?

"IMAGINE NO LIBERALS, WHAT A WONDERFUL WORLD IT WOULD BE!""

What a waste it is to lose one's mind, or to never have a mind at all -- Dan Quayle, on cschotta.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | April 8, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

cschotta1 - it seems that you are more concern about liberals and their perceived actions than you are about the actaul issue. In what way was the proclamation to promote tourism? How many minority groups would be interested in visiting a state that wants to celebrate a time in history where humans were treated worse than animals and sold like cattle? I think the Gov would've been able to put a better spin on it if he simply declared a "Civil War History" month. It was a dumb move and it will cost him some votes.

Posted by: bgal | April 8, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Too late Taliban Bob. You're done. Good luck ever running for higher office. McDonnell ran as a moderate but he is already showing his true colors.

Bob McDonnell is anti-abortion, anti-gay, anti-birth control, anti-minority, anti-women, anti-everything except church and guns. He spelled out his radical views in his thesis from Pat Robertson's University. McDonnell wrote "government policy should favor married couples over 'cohabitators, homosexuals or fornicators.' McDonnell also "described working women and feminists as 'detrimental' to the family. McDonnell wrote this in 1989 when he was 34 years old. McDonnell "criticized a landmark 1965 Supreme Court decision" which legalized the use of contraceptives and wrote that "man’s basic nature is inclined towards evil, and when the exercise of liberty takes the shape of pornography, drug abuse, or homosexuality, the government must restrain, punish, and deter."

Posted by: wiz_fan | April 8, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

The proclamation probably helps McDonnell in a state like mine--Texas--among the Tea Bag factions. But, I did not see McDonnell as national GOP material for 2012 before or after this. He not mean and nasty enough, nor willing enough to pander.

Posted by: guitar1 | April 8, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Earth to cschotta1: you don't get into Harvard, let alone Editor of the Law Review on Affirmative Action, no matter what you may think. Just compare the Law Schools Obama and McDonnell went to--a real law school and #1 in the USA vs. a school for religious nutcases who aren't bright enough to get into a real school. Educate yourself.

Posted by: commonsense101

Really lib? Perhaps you can show me your Messiah's grades from Columbia, but to do that you will need to have your Messiah release them. LMAO! And please show me ONE paper that your Messiah released while as Editor, eh? Face it dork, Obama is nothing but affirmative action on steroids. He can't pronounce "corpsman", thought we have 57 states, worked for ACORN yet didn't know they were federally funded, spent over 20 years with Reverend Wright yet didn't know he was a racist preacher. So spare me your WHINE lib, Obama is about as dumb as they come, which is why he's a democRAT. Must sux being a POS liberal, eh?

"IMAGINE NO LIBERALS, WHAT A WONDERFUL WORLD IT WOULD BE!"

Posted by: cschotta1 | April 8, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

12BB, I think Jindal can rehabilitate because his "gaffe" wasn't what he said, but simply how he said it. All he has to do is stop talking in that way. This shouldn't be a problem since he normally doesn't talk that way. (I actually think he is a little at the other extreme. He can get pretty rapid fire when he's not focused. My feeling is that the speech came out so poorly because he was overcompensating for his normal rapid speech)

As for him not giving more nationally televised speeches, this isn't Sarah Palin. He is actually interested in running the state. That's why you don't see many governors in the national spotlight. They are doing their jobs.

But this is a lot easier to do than with McDonnell whose problem is what he said, not how he said it. That sort of thing will make it really tough to get the minority vote. This isn't the 80s anymore. You simply must be able to expand beyond whites.

As for Jindal's record. I'm kind of torn. The fundamentalism is a HUGE negative for me. It's simply unacceptable the inroads he has made for creationism in the classroom. As for the economy, Louisiana hasn't been hit by the recession as hard as the rest of the country, which is good and I think Jindal deserves some credit. But one thing to remember is that so much of the Louisiana economy is based in New Orleans and we still haven't recovered from the economic damage wrought by Hurricane Katrina. So when the second wave hit in 2008, it wasn't that bad. But that's only in a relative sense. Louisiana is still a poor state that was hurt by Katrina. Just because the recession didn't hit us as badly as the rest of the country isn't a huge feather in Jindal's cap.

And Jindal has been willing to work with the Obama administration in New Orleans recovery. He will go against it for more high profile things like the stimulus, but notice that he wasn't one of the loud voices against health care. He made some of the grunting noises that he was supposed to, but has also worked with the Obama administration and FEMA to get funding for the construction of a giant new medical complex.

I guess you didn't really ask about a rehashing of Jindal's tenure, but there you go, haha.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 8, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

i'm curious. why should the confederate soldiers be honored? they tried to destroy this nation. today, they'd be called terrorists, right? we're the united states of america, not the partially united states.

Posted by: frieda406 | April 8, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

These politicans (and their strategists) that think they know "today's" American people are VERY wrong in their assessments.

If Americans have such short memories, what makes them think that THEY won't be forgotten...?

What? Forget the deed, but remember the man/woman. Not hardly.

This is a new day. Whether these politicans believe or not, or maybe they had their fingers crossed, or whatever, but all of them *invited GOD to the party* and HE has shown up. And HE just might NOT play that same old game anymore.
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Posted by: Evenfoolsarerightsometimes | April 8, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Palin-McDonnell 2012...oh please God make it happen; save me some money on campaign contributions, LOL!!!

Posted by: Beingsensible | April 8, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

How this jerk became Governor defies explanation. All of you die-hard, anti-Obama Republicans who voted for him can now hang your heads in shame and pledge to be intelligent the next time you vote, if you have the capacity, but this is doubtful. This guy as VP makes me laugh as much as the sorry Louisiana Gov who was touted to be a future VP.

Posted by: giuseppe59 | April 8, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Are you kidding? If anything, the whole thing has enhanced McDonnell's chances at being a candidate for the GOP V-P spot. The GOP base is a Stars and Bars waving bunch of racists and McDonnell will now be a hero to them. Let's hear for a Palin-McDonnell ticket! Bwaaaahaaaaaaaa

Posted by: checkered1 | April 8, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

McDonnell's reputation will only suffer among liberal race-baiters like Cillizza and his colleagues at the Washington Post. Most Americans, I think, can tell the difference between a gubernatorial proclamation that has no substantive meaning and an invidious display of racism.

Posted by: diehardlib | April 8, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

what a jarhead...

Posted by: Geopolitics101 | April 8, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

He did nothing wrong to hurt his political career. So he wanted to honor Confederate soldiers in Virginia. It’s not like he sat in a church with a pastor who says “God Damn America” or started his political career in the living room of someone who bombed public buildings in the 1960s and 1970s, or reads Marxists materials. He’s not running for President is he?

Posted by: dpunty | April 8, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

How this jerk became Governor defies explanation. All of you die-hard, anti-Obama Republicans who voted for him can now hang you heads in shame. This guy as VP makes me laugh as much as the sorry Gov in Louisiana who was touted to be a future VP.

Posted by: giuseppe59 | April 8, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Clown McDonnel can forget about any national office, whether it's VP or dog-catcher. He has as much of a chance as the proverbial snowball.

Because he was arrogant enough (or just plain stupid enough) to cater to the lower elements of his constituency and play Conferderate apologist, McDonnell's place is history is forever etched in stone - that of a politically inept politician who bet on the wrong horse. Thankfully, he'll be history in less than 4 years.

Posted by: ceefer66 | April 8, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

How this jerk became Governor defies explanation. All of you die-hard, anti-Obama Republicans who voted for him can now hang you heads in shame. This guy as VP makes me laugh as much as the sorry Gov in Louisiana who was touted to be a future VP.

Posted by: giuseppe59 | April 8, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Earth to cschotta1: you don't get into Harvard, let alone Editor of the Law Review on Affirmative Action, no matter what you may think. Just compare the Law Schools Obama and McDonnell went to--a real law school and #1 in the USA vs. a school for religious nutcases who aren't bright enough to get into a real school. Educate yourself.

Posted by: commonsense101 | April 8, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

This is no aberration, it's a mindset. Until 1998, recall, this was the official state song of Virginia:

Carry me back to old Virginny,
There's where the cotton and the corn and tatoes grow,
There's where the birds warble sweet in the springtime,
There's where the old darkey's heart am long'd to go,
There's where I labor'd so hard for old massa,
Day after day in the field of yellow corn,
No place on earth do I love more sincerely
Than old Virginny, the state where I was born.

CHORUS:
Carry me back to old Virginny,
There's where the cotton and the corn and tatoes grow,
There's where the birds warble sweet in the springtime,
There's where this old darkey's heart am long'd to go.

Carry me back to old Virginny,
There let me live 'till I wither and decay,
Long by the old Dismal Swamp have I wander'd,
There's where this old darkey's life will pass away.
Massa and missis have long gone before me,
Soon we will meet on that bright and golden shore,
There we'll be happy and free from all sorrow,
There's where we'll meet and we'll never part no more.

And it's still the "state song emeritus," thanks to Macaca Allen. More interesting info here, including how attempts to change the lyrics were voted down by the state legislature: http://www.netstate.com/states/symb/song/va_carry_me_back.htm

Posted by: TomR3 | April 8, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone really Believe Jindal will be put up for President or VP. Look at him. I can't wait for all those opened minded Republicans to give him his just deserts if he tries to run for national office. Please this party eats its own for breakfast. I can't wait for a call to have Steele resign. Palin 2012!!! The right woman to help keep Republican where they belong!!!

Posted by: matchtuff | April 8, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

We already have a day to honor dead Confederate soldiers - it's called Veterans Day, where we honor ALL dead American soldiers--

Posted by: southernbutnotstupid | April 8, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Just'a good ol' boys
Never meanin' no harm.
Beats all you never saw
Been in trouble with the law
Since the day they was born

Staightnin' the curves
Flatnin the hills
Someday the mountain might get 'em
But the law never will

Makin' their way
The only way they know how
That's just a little bit more
Than the law will allow.

Makin' their way
The only way they know how
That's just a little bit more
Than the law will allow.

I'm a good ol' boy
You know my momma loves me
But she don't undestand
They keep a showin my hands and not my face on TV

Posted by: bogardp | April 8, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Jindal's pathetic performance on national television made him a laughing stock of monumental proportions -- and yes, he is permanently damaged outside of blinkered GOP circles.

McConnell has simply burnished his growing national reputation as a narrow-minded clod whose insensitivities run toward racism, anti-woman, homophobia, and anti-education -- and yes, his standing has been permanently damaged outside of bigoted GOP circles.

Posted by: dee5 | April 8, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

McConnell's first, original proclamation was a "dog whistle" and it accomplished his primary goal, that is, to appeal to the right wing racists in VA as one of them.
The "apology" part of the proclamation is the "wink, wink" to the racist voters: "Now y'all KNOW I have to say this apology because all those n------ and libruls control the media."
I'm as white as McConnell and my family, which first came to this continent in 1780,owned slaves, a fact I am not proud of, and that I cannot imagine fighting a war to defend. McConnell's version of Civil War history is about as accurate as the Holocaust deniers'.

Posted by: smeesq | April 8, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

"The controversy began earlier this week when McDonnell omitted any mention of slavery in a proclamation designed to commemorate the Commonwealth's role in the Civil War"

wrong, the proclamation was to commemorate the Confederates. If he had simply proclaimed this "Civil War History Month" it would of made a lot more sense.
But McDonnell seeks only to honor those traitors who murdered American soldiers for their own misguided power hungry masters.

The south lost the war and a thousand months of confederate history won't change that, nor will it make what the seccesionists did honorable in any way shape or form.

Posted by: MarilynManson | April 8, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

The best thing about these Macaca moments for Virginia Republicans is that they are totally unforced errors -- they are a clear path into the mind of these rightwing troglodytes.

Posted by: koolkat_1960

Perhaps you should look at the left wing kook in the White House before you open your yap!

Barack Hussein Obama=Affirmative Action + American Idol

Posted by: cschotta1 | April 8, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

the mind of the teabagger:

"Sorry loser, I live in reality. I look at Detroit, LA, Philly, DC, Chicago, New Orleans or New York and I see blacks that have lived off of others, with no respect and no desire to work. All those cities have been run by democRATS for decades, and what do they have to show for it but total destruction. Face it lib, the last thing the democRAT party can afford is to see blacks living INDEPENDENTLY of the government, for then they have no power. Hope you enjoyed your lesson in reality lib!!

LIBERALS.....AMERICA'S WEAKEST LINK!

Posted by: cschotta1 | April 8, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse"

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | April 8, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Which side has all the hate and the venom - seriously folks - the liberals will do anything for an excuse to CALL PEOPLE RACISTS.


Do proclamations on Black History Month include references to the victims of INNER-CITY VIOLENCE???

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 8, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

McDonnell is done. Virginians of all people should have an understanding of the devastation brought by slavery and the Civil War. For McDonnell not to understand is inexcusable.

Posted by: chucky-el | April 8, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

How much damage can showing your racist credentials do? After all, we're talking about the Republican party.

Posted by: Lefty_ | April 8, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Should all soldiers that fought for the Confederacy just be labeled villains from this point on? Perhaps Robert E. Lee should be be put in the same grouping as Hitler.

Posted by: suesue2 | April 8, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

How much damage can showing your racist credentials do? After all, we're talking about the Republican party.

Posted by: Lefty_ | April 8, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

How much damage can showing your racist credentials do? After all, we're talking about the Republican party.

Posted by: Lefty_ | April 8, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Jindal is seen as a joke outside of his party, definitely had an impact.

Posted by: mardigrasboy | April 8, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

cschotta1: I see why you like your governor. You both live in your own deluded little world.

Posted by: cougartonyusa


Sorry loser, I live in reality. I look at Detroit, LA, Philly, DC, Chicago, New Orleans or New York and I see blacks that have lived off of others, with no respect and no desire to work. All those cities have been run by democRATS for decades, and what do they have to show for it but total destruction. Face it lib, the last thing the democRAT party can afford is to see blacks living INDEPENDENTLY of the government, for then they have no power. Hope you enjoyed your lesson in reality lib!!

LIBERALS.....AMERICA'S WEAKEST LINK!

Posted by: cschotta1 | April 8, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Virginia Republicans live in the past crowned by their religious hypocrisy and prejudices........

An Independent

Posted by: aeaustin | April 8, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

McDonnell wants to honor those who killed U.S. soldiers. As president he could declare Al Queda Month and honor those who also kill U.S. soldiers over perceived economic and political injustice. If you feel the United States is infringing on your economic or political rights... kill a U.S. soldier. "McDonnell-Bin Laden 2012"!

Posted by: mdmtnbiker | April 8, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Virginia Republicans live in the past crowned by their religious hypocrisy and prejudices........

An Independent

Posted by: aeaustin | April 8, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm just wondering how much time, space and reporters The Washington Post has dedicated to covering Bob McDonnell's significant accomplishments in solving Virginia's fiscal deficit and budget crisis......

Never mind. I know the answer to that.

But you go ahead and keep focusing on nonsense issues like this one and college term papers, WP!!

That'll win ya' some credibility as a fair news source. You betcha'!


A side question for Cillizza and others at the Post:

Does it ever bother you how utterly and completely transparent your total left-wing bias and lack of fairness in coverage is to all of your readers (or at least all of them with half a brain and non-Kool Aid drinkers)?

Posted by: etpietro | April 8, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I remember Jindal's speech; not the contents, but my memory is that it was the worst speech I had ever seen given by a high political official. Isn't it worst that I can't remember the contents, but recall that it was really...really...really, can I say really again bad! I will forever look at Jindal as the Pee Wee Herman of politics, and I will now see McDonnell as the politician who celebrated those who glorified slavery forever. I wonder what Sheila Johnson thinks of this?

Posted by: Beingsensible | April 8, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

This man is a shoe-in for a national GOP ticket in 2012. The whole disgraceful crew of GOPers are heavily "listing to starboard" and he will fit right in. Of course, by that time, Attila the Hun will fit right in, so this won't blemish his acceptability in any way.

Although I bet the SCV are a little pissed that he "back-slid" on mentioning slavery in "their" proclamation. On the walls of their meeting rooms, only the first "version" of the proclamation will be found prominently displayed.

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Posted by: nadinem | April 8, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

"He is part of the transformation of the GOP to a Religious Party, with its own militia. First time in the history of the US such an event has occurred."

The Mormons did it.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 8, 2010 12:09 PM
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And we know how well that worked out.

From a former Utah resident

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 8, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Following the former Governor Allen's racist reference of "macaca" I think it paints a picture of Virginia republicans as hard line conservatives well beyond fiscal issues. There's no need to add racist because i think that's well understood on this type issue. And the fact he may not be a hood wearing member, does not excuse his cowardice in knowingly signing the 1st piece without duly noting the role of slavery.

Posted by: oknow1 | April 8, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

cschotta1: I see why you like your governor. You both live in your own deluded little world.

Posted by: cougartonyusa | April 8, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

McDonnell did the right thing by declaring April Confederate History month in the Commonwealth. Virginia was the capital of the south and many Southern militia leaders did not believe in or own slaves. Gen. Grant owned slaves but Generals Lee and Jackson did not own slaves and actually denounced slavery. The purpose of the Civil War "The War of Northern Aggression", depending on perspective, was not fought over slavery. In the words of Lincoln, the Civil War was fought to "preserve the Union." In Southern states, I believe we should honor those who lost lives to defend our respective state's heritage, freedoms and from the federal government. We deserve better than taxation without true represenation, which the federal gov't. is giving us today. As for McDonnell, he declared the proclamation that April be Confederate history month in the Commonwealth and he should have given his reasons and defended the proclamation. Why bring up slavery? Yes, it was a travesty that one human being owned another on the basis of race or anything else. It happened. Why keep slavery in the spotlight? Bob McDonnell don't support slavery and neither does anyone in their right mind. McDonnell does support liberty and the right not to be intruded on by the Federal Gov't. which the South fought for, state's rights and independence. States should have these rights and it's a good thing that we remember the sacrifices made for these causes. I agree with Gov. McDonnell that this will serve as a tourist attraction from protesters, supporters and historically interested people alike. They will stay in Va. hotels, buy merchandise and pay to visit the state. McDonnell should have either included slavery in the proclamation or not, he did make a huge mistake by changing the language once it was issued, however.

Posted by: reason5 | April 8, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

ddawd wrote Another mitigating factor for Jindal is that speech in no way reflected his speaking style. Once he gives some more nationally noted speeches, that one will be forgotten.
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Understand that I had heard very good things about Jindal before his speech, and that is why I made it a point to listen to it. The style, the Gone with the Wind staircase in the background and his school-marmish delivery had me believing this was some kind of macabre joke, until the end of the speech.

I agree that he could remedy this impression, but has he? I would have thought that within 30 days he would have been speaking everywhere, but I haven't seen it, have you? And that speech was a year ago?

Too bad...because I think Jindal is a smart guy. And I'm a Democrat.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 8, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Any way you slice it, that confederate dream just as prejudice, do not fade away with some people.

Posted by: Shanan1 | April 8, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

The best thing about these Macaca moments for Virginia Republicans is that they are totally unforced errors -- they are a clear path into the mind of these rightwing troglodytes.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | April 8, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Haha Virginia. You wanted this hick, you're stuck with this hick.

And as for Bobby, I don't think the anti-volcano platform will attract enough independents for a serious presidential run.

Posted by: bogardp | April 8, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

How can we compare this slavery apologist to Jindal?

Posted by: tchanta | April 8, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

JenDray,

I believe this Old South/Confederate history hullabaloo is a liberal's invention to garner favor with African Americans but don't disgrace the memory of Confederate soldiers by associating them with lunatic Tea Baggers...

"Hang low Sweet Chariot....."

Posted by: ebabin | April 8, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

"He is part of the transformation of the GOP to a Religious Party, with its own militia. First time in the history of the US such an event has occurred."

The Mormons did it.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 8, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Another mitigating factor for Jindal is that speech in no way reflected his speaking style. Once he gives some more nationally noted speeches, that one will be forgotten. I have a feeling the same isn't the case for McDonnell. The thesis, the anti-gay statue, the Confederacy firestorm. All are positions he took and had to backpedal on afterward. And he has only been governor for a few months. I think Jindal can erase that memory of his speech since it's not representative of his true speaking style. With McDonnell, we are definitely seeing his true colors and I doubt he can hide them through a term as governor as well as a Presidential bid.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 8, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

McDonnell is insensitive and dumb as well. His backpedaling really bringing attention to the issue.

Bobby, no place in national politics now. Yeah!

Posted by: heaton | April 8, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

It's not just this incident McDonnel has a racist/homophobic/anti-women history.

Jindal - not much of an opinion until response. That has lingered and it was not good.

Posted by: rlj1 | April 8, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Is there any credence to the excuse for the Civil War that nearly all of the major manufacturing plants were then located in the Northern States and the South was not getting what they perceived as their fair share? Was not the slavery issue a diversion for seceding from the Union by both sides???

Posted by: vpocv | April 8, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

National office? What a drinking WaPo?

McDonnell is kookie! He is part of the transformation of the GOP to a Religious Party, with its own militia. First time in the history of the US such an event has occured.

Posted by: Maddogg | April 8, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Forget his reckless pandering to white Southern folks. His knuckle-dragging Neanderthal views on women should bar him from any national ticket.

Posted by: mmclaughlin1


LMAO!! Yet sucking the brains out of a living fetus is considered a right, eh lib?

SOMEWHERE IN KENYA, A VILLAGE IS MISSING ITS IDIOT

Posted by: cschotta1 | April 8, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/08/opinion/08collins.html?hp

As Collins points out, the problem for McDonnell is that he said that Regent's thesis stuff wasn't part of his life anymore. He ran, quite successfully, on a moderate platform of jobs, privatizing the liquor stores and a big transportation plan. He hasn't delivered on any of that yet (hasn't even tipped his hand on any of that), but his legislature and his AG are busy enacting things that are consistent with his graduate school thesis. The micro-chip implant law is so paranoid it's funny, but pressuring the state colleges to drop sexual oreintation as a protected class is very Regent U agenda. I'm sure the VA locals could tell us A LOT more.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | April 8, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Forget his reckless pandering to white Southern folks. His knuckle-dragging Neanderthal views on women should bar him from any national ticket.

Posted by: mmclaughlin1 | April 8, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

The "Confederacy" issue will dog Mr. McDonnell for the rest of his career. Bad choice of proclamations, I say.

Posted by: dc1020008 | April 8, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

The extreme right-wing Republicans at the top of Virginia' government (McDonnell, Cuccinelli, etc.) positioned themselves as moderates during the campaign, but since taking office have shown themselves to be bigots. This Confederacy fiasco is just the latest episode. They have also been going out of their way repeatedly to demonize gay men and lesbians, exploiting homophobia and picking on a minority to satisfy their hateful wingnut base. The centrist voters of Virginia are justifiably appalled.

Posted by: fugitivenyc | April 8, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

If, in fact, the Guv's intention is to vilify the Confederacy and to make sure that we all remember the abysmal depths of suffering that were visited on the human race by some of its own members then maybe that makes this observance worth bringing into being. But if it is as the Guv stated a way for Southerners to express their love for the Old South it is not worthy of remembering because it is a false memory. If the Germans remember the holocaust by saying, " Is it so wrong to love the Old Nazi days of Hitler's rule?", perhaps you would find that difficult to stomach (perhaps not). So, to answer the Guv's question: "Is it so wrong to love the Old South?", yes it is. The Old South was a place of slavery and sub-human behavior. The Confederacy was willing to sacrifice the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans to protect its slave-based economy. It was a dark time in American and human history. If that is the message, then it makes it something to observe.

Posted by: MickyD1 | April 8, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

McDonnell won because of Ed Gillespie's skills and of course, Creigh Deeds.

Now we see Bob in the CEO role and it he is not looking good.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 8, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

"[D]oes the controversy have any lasting resonance -- particularly in regards to McDonnell's future on a national party ticket?"

I think it does, and it would even if it weren't merely the latest link in a very long chain. But at this point, the man is as dead as Marley's ghost.

Posted by: Itzajob | April 8, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

He was loafing. lol

Posted by: 11kap | April 8, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

McDonnell is more likely to run against Mark Warner for the Senate in 2014 than he is to be on the R ticket for 2012. It would keep the him within Virginia, where he will likely still be fairly popular when he finishes his term as governor. And, if he wins, he derails one of the Dems strongest (if not the strongest) potential nominee for the presidency in 2016. (Much like George Allen was derailed by losing to Jim Webb in 2006.)

Jindal is more likely to end up in a Republican cabinet than on their main ticket, if only because party handlers won't want to risk having an obvious wonk (e.g someone who speaks in detail instead of easily digestable sound bites) on the ticket.

Posted by: Gallenod | April 8, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Wasn't he raised in northern Virginia? How could he be so clueless about his constituency? This indicates to me that his only advisors and friends, the policymakers, are equally as clueless.

Posted by: HookedOnThePost | April 8, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

When all else fails, play the race card, eh libs? How original.Perhaps you should be more concerned about why your party has destroyed the black family, no?

"IMAGINE.....NO LIBERALS"

Posted by: cschotta1 | April 8, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I don't really remember they 'style' of Jindal's speech which is what most of the critics seemed to focus on. What I remember is the comment "Volcano monitoring? what is that anyway?" comment. Only to have a volcano erupt in Alaska literally a week or two later. Classic uninformed nit-picking that typifies the current Right Wing. Details are hard, but catchy sound bites are easy.

McDonnell's problem is that in calling his proclamation 'Confederate History Month' no matter whether he decries slavery or not, he's siding with people who supported and fought to protect the 'inhumane and cruel' practices.

This is something so ingrained in the rest of the country that omitting slavery will be seem as clearly no accident. That stain won't go away.

Posted by: rpixley220 | April 8, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Maybe it's just me, but I wasn't aware McDonnell was a huge part of the national conversation to begin with. So in that sense, he hasn't done any damage. If he was hoping to turn this into bigger and better things, well...all I can say is, he'd better keep a close eye on the precedent George Allen sets here, too.

Posted by: justvisiting73 | April 8, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

on a national level "no effect at all", but keep trying chris...
maybe one day you wil have your macaca moment you are looking for...

Posted by: DwightCollins | April 8, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

on a national level "no effect at all", but keep trying chris...
maybe one day you wil have your macaca moment you are looking for...

Posted by: DwightCollins | April 8, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

McConnell is one bad moustache away from looking like Hitler.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | April 8, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

JenDray, you have skills,
thanks for the smile.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 8, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Only partisan liberals are interested in re-crushing the Confederacy. It's dead history for most Americans.

The real concern is how the ObamaCare stink-bomb is going to affect America.

It doesn't look good. They are already discussing a VAT. A European style, national, sales tax that would soak all Americans every time they buy anything. But it's just the first salvo of the TAX barrage that Barack and Nancy Pelosi want to unleash on America.

There's lots more! Your wallets and purses are toast.

Posted by: battleground51 | April 8, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Virginia's conservatives are proud of their glorious defeat in the War of Macaca Aggression!

The vast majority of Confederate soldiers never owned a slave, never had anything like enough money to buy one. Yet they suffered and died in their hundred thousands for The Cause.

Today, their brave Tea Partying descendants carry on that proud heritage of fighting desperately to protect the economic interests of people who look down on them!

Posted by: JenDray | April 8, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

"The controversy stirred by the McDonnell proclamation ... almost certainly will slow his rapid upward trajectory -- at least in the near term."

I hope so. If the Rs pander to the publicly voiced secessionist sentiments and chase racial division, it might help the man's political ambitions in that setting.

That would be unfortunate, IMO.
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Jindal's lame presentation will dim over time. McDonnell's seeming calculation and ability to say anything will haunt him, I think. Although it has not hurt Rick Perry in TX, yet. Gore's 1988 campaign manager in TX and the 2005 donor of the Governor's public service award to ACORN of Houston is now a darling of the right wing.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | April 8, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Re: Jindal. Are you serious, Chris? I don't think he's been taken seriously for a second since that speech.

This kills McDonnell as far as national aspirations. His follow-up that he wanted to focus on the aspects of the Civil War relevant to Virginia.

He quite consciously said slavery was not important to Virginians or the Civil War and whitewashed history in order to appease the Sons of Confederate Veterans. It was beyond stupid and people won't forget it. It's 2010.

Finally, McDonnell had me going for a while that he was a pretty smart politician. Apparently not. Tone deaf until the screaming became so loud he couldn't help but wake up.

Posted by: plynch1 | April 8, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Wow, the Republican party is doing everything it can to re-elect Barack Obama. If the best they have to run for national office is McDonnell, or "Barney Fife" Jindal, the bottom of the barrel has been reached. Then you throw in Sarah Palin as Presidential material it should be a cake walk in 2012 for the Dems. Keep bringing on these light weights Republicans, you are the best friend the Dems have in the world.

Posted by: merrylees | April 8, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

"Does anyone really think that speech will have any impact on Jindal's potential as a presidential or vice presidential candidate?"
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Also, yes.

I had a positive impression of Jindal before "the speech". Now, I can't get his sing-song delivery out of my mind.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 8, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

"Does anyone really think that speech will have any impact on Jindal's potential as a presidential or vice presidential candidate?"

Yes.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 8, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

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