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Analysis: Economic Crisis Puts Candidates To Test

The weekend collapse of Lehman Brothers and takeover of Merrill Lynch coupled with the plummeting stock market this morning has created a full-blown economic crisis with profound political implications.

After weeks of petty bickering between the two parties, the financial crisis has the ability to fundamentally reshape the playing field of the presidential race as both Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain seek to deal with the new realities presented by the events of the last 96 hours. The truth is that neither candidate has done a sterling job until now of providing leadership on the issue or laying out a compelling, coherent economic plan. So both have a lot to gain or lose in the way they respond to the latest crisis, with less than two months before the election.

"It's 3 a.m. on Wall Street," wrote Howard Wolfson, former communications director for Hillary Rodham Clinton's presidential campaign, on his "Gotham Acme" blog. "Will either candidate offer an explanation of the problem and a plan to fix it that will reassure voters and break through the din?"

During a campaign event in Jacksonville, Florida, this morning, McCain reiterated his belief that the underpinnings of the country's economy are solid but that the current situation is untenable.

"Our economy, I think, is still--the fundamentals of our economy are strong, but these are very , very difficult times,'' McCain said, according to a report by the Post's own Bob Barnes. "I promise you we will never put America in this position again. We will clean up Wall Street."

McCain has also launched an ad aimed at addressing voters' concerns about the economy, insisting that "only proven reformers like John McCain and Sarah Palin can fix it."

Obama, for his part, had begun a counter-attack to paint McCain as out of touch with average voters economic concerns late last week -- an attack that vice presidential running mate Joe Biden is expected to continue today with a speech in Michigan in which he will portray McCain as offering nothing more than a continuation of the Bush administration's economic policies.

Bill Burton, a spokesman for the Obama campaign, reiterated that sentiment in a statement release this morning. "John McCain buys into the same failed economic theory that landed us in this mess in the first place, and we can't afford to take a chance on his disturbingly out-of-touch policies at a time when our economy is in crisis," Burton said.

And, Burton also bashed McCain for the continued defense of the "fundamental" strength of the economy. Said Burton: "Today of all days, John McCain's stubborn insistence that the 'fundamentals of the economy are strong' shows that he is disturbingly out of touch with what's going in the lives of ordinary Americans."

These are the initial forays into what is almost certain to be an extended fight between the campaigns over who is better equipped to rescue the country from the current housing and banking crisis and put plans in place to ensure it doesn't happen again.

A look at where voters stand on the economy -- as well as how they view the two candidates in relation to the economy -- suggests that the issue is the truest of political jump balls. Whichever side can win the coming debate will have a major edge heading into the Nov. 4 election.

In the latest Washington Post-ABC News poll, conducted earlier this month, more than four in ten voters cited the economy as the most pressing issue -- far more than the 10 percent who named the war in Iraq and the nine percent who chose health care.

Asked which candidate they trusted more to handle the economy, 47 percent of respondents said Obama while 42 percent named McCain -- a narrow lead far from the 17-point bulge on the issue that the Illinois senator enjoyed in Post polling as recently as mid-July.

The narrowing on the economy is consistent with McCain's gains across the board -- in both the Post polling and other national surveys conducted in the wake of the Palin pick and the conclusion of the Republican National Convention.

"The Democratic advantage is based on the impact this is likely to have on wrong track [numbers], the Bush Administration in power, [and] Wall Street looks greedy and incompetent," said one senior Republican strategist in analyzing the politics of the situation. "The Republican advantage is McCain [is seen] as stronger, less risky leader; Obama's hopeful rhetoric seems less relevant."

With the public so concerned about their own economic future and uncertain about which candidate is better equipped to address the issue, it will be incumbent upon McCain and Obama to not just engage in the traditional back and forth slap fight of the campaign but also seek to provide concrete plans and leadership on the issue.

This challenge is leavened by two truths of the campaign.

First, neither Obama nor McCain has demonstrated considerable economic chops either in this race or their political lives more generally. The animating principle of Obama's campaign to date has been his call to change the faces in Washington and his willingness to reach across the aisle for bipartisan solutions. For McCain, as he acknowledged earlier in the race, he knows far less about the economy than he does about foreign policy, and it is on the war in Iraq that his passion emerges.

Second, there is little that a president -- much less a candidate for president -- can do to provide quick fixes for the economy. Obama and McCain can talk about what they would do as president to ensure the long term health of the nation's economy, but neither one of them will have the chance to do anything before January 2009, and, even then, quick answers aren't likely to be available.

What then should Obama and McCain do in order to maximize the political potential of the onrushing economic crisis? Two things jump to mind: provide leadership and show empathy.

While neither man can fundamentally change what is going on with the markets and the banking industry, each can show their readiness to lead the country in hard times by making strong statements with specific proposals that they believe will turn things around.

The other key element in "winning" the political battle over the economy in the coming weeks, is to ensure that voters believe that one of the candidates understands their worries and frustrations while the other does not.

It's why the statements coming out of the campaigns of McCain and Obama are heavy on "out of touch" rhetoric, as each side believes, rightly, that the more they can paint their opponent as clueless, the better chance they have of scoring political points in voters' minds on the economy.

The developments on Wall Street mark a critical moment in the presidential campaign. The economy is not an obvious strength of either candidate or party and, therefore, presents both sides with legitimate risks and opportunities. The campaign quicker on its feet and able to effectively offer not just a negative message on his opponent but a positive message of leadership on the economy is sure to benefit.

Pay close attention. The actions (or inactions) of the two sides over the next week could be a game-changing moment in the sprint to November.


By Chris Cillizza  |  September 15, 2008; 12:30 PM ET
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So economy is doing really bad... and the fact is this didn't happen overnight. We have to realize that these troubles have been cooking for a reasonable time and like usual we "the people" are kept in dark. Look at the mortage crisis and take a step back, so people buy houses that they cant afford, then the interest rates climb through the roof and they cant even afford the interest. So banks take over and can't sell it either. And on the other hand while we the average people are struggling the CEOs and executives of these companies make millions of dollars. I bet if someone was to calculate the totat compensation to these executives in past few years a very large percentage of the company debt is now probably part of their lavish assets.

Posted by: Mustafain | September 21, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

well "More constant than bitter" what your saying is that becasue of his past and his paretns he shouldnt be president well lets just give McCain the presidencey because, after all, he IS a veteran...y stop there lets give EVERY veteran a spot in congress: IF YOU ARE A VETERAN GO TO CONGRESS BECAUSE THATS ALL VOTERS SEEM TO CARE ABOUT INCLUDING YOU More constant than bitter you need to look more at their platforms and a little less on what his parents did becasue he cant control what happened in the past we need change Obama will give it to us!!!!!!!!!!!
O-BA-MA!!!
O-BA-MA!!!
O-BA-MA!!!

Posted by: BigJoe75 | September 18, 2008 8:10 AM | Report abuse

A pilot's perspective on Obama

,,,,,,,,,,DO I HAVE THIS STRAIGHT?
HIS FATHER WAS A BLACK AFRICAN MUSLIM FROM KENYA . WE HAVE SEEN PICTURES OF HIS AFRICAN FAMILY.

HIS MOTHER WAS A WHITE AMERICAN ATHEIST FROM KANSAS .

WHERE ARE THE PICTURES OF HIS AMERICAN FAMILY?

HIS FATHER DESERTED HIS MOTHER WHEN HE WAS ONLY TWO YEARS OLD AND WENT BACK TO AFRICA BY WAY OF HARVARD UNIVERSITY . HOW? WAS HIS FATHER WEALTHY?

HIS MOTHER MARRIED AN INDONESIAN MUSLIM AND THEN MOVED TO JAKARTA WHERE HE WAS ENROLLED IN A MUSLIM SCHOOL
WHEN HE REACHED HIGH SCHOOL AGE .

HIS MOTHER SENT HIM TO HAWAII TO BE WITH HIS WHITE GRANDPARENTS AND HE WAS PUT INTO AN EXPENSIVE PRIVATE SCHOOL. HE LATER WENT TO HARVARD UNIVERSITY . HOW? WERE HIS GRANDPARENTS RICH?

HE LIVES IN A $1.4 MILLION HOUSE OBTAINED THROUGH A DEAL WITH A WEALTHY FUNDRAISER. HOW?

HE 'WORKED' AS A CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST IN CHICAGO . HE HAS NEVER HELD A PRODUCTIVE JOB OR RECEIVED A PAY CHECK THAT WAS NOT GOVERNMENT-FUNDED AND/OR TAYPAYER SUPPORTED.

THE "PRESIDENCY " IS NOT A CIVIL RIGHTS POSITION, NOR IS IT SUBJECT TO AFFIRMATIVE ACTION SET ASIDES; ON-THE-JOB TRAINING WON'T CUT IT.

HE ENTERED POLITICS AT THE STATE LEVEL AND THEN THE NATIONAL LEVEL WHERE HE HAS MINIMAL EXPERIENCE.

HE IS PROUD OF HIS 'AFRICAN HERITAGE' (A FATHER WHO GOT A GIRL PREGNANT AND DESERTED HER).
WHERE IS THE PRIDE IN HIS 'WHITE HERITAGE'? (A MOTHER WHO FLAUNTED CONVENTION AND DID NOT BELIEVE IN GOD).

SOME MIGHT THINK THERE WAS NOT MUCH TO BE PROUD OF EITHER WAY.

HE BELONGS, AND HAS BELONGED FOR OVER 20 YEARS, TO AN 'AFRO-CENTRIC' CHURCH IN CHICAGO THAT HATES WHITES, HATES JEWS, AND BLAMES AMERICA FOR ALL THE WORLD'S PERCEIVED FAULTS. (INCLUDING CREATING THE AIDS VIRUS IN ORDER TO INFLICT IT ON AFRICANS).

HE REPEATEDLY WHITEWASHES THE PASTOR, HIS CHURCH AND THE MEMBERS WHO CHEERED AFTER HEARING VITRIOLIC TIRADES AGAINST AMERICA ..

HE COULD NOT CONFRONT HIS PASTOR BUT HE WANTS US TO BELIEVE HE CAN CONFRONT NORTH KOREA AND IRAN ?

YEAH RIGHT ! !

DURING HIS VERY BRIEF TIME IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE HE HAS MANAGED TO AMASS THE NUMBER ONE ULTRA LIBERAL VOTING RECORD OUT OF THE ONE HUNDRED MEMBERS.

HE HAS VOTED CONSISTENTLY FOR BIGGER GOVERNMENT AND HIGHER TAXES. HE HAS VOTED FOR BIG ENTITLEMENTS AND LEGISLATION THAT WOULD SEVERELY CURTAIL AMERICA 'S ABILITY TO FIGHT TERRORISM AND TO PROTECT OUR BORDERS AND OUR NATIONAL INTERESTS AROUND THE WORLD.

BUT, HE IS A GOOD ORATOR. ISN'T THAT A COMFORT?

YEAH, I THINK I SEE HOW WELL HE COULD UNITE THE COUNTRY.

I THINK THE TRUTH IS THAT HE HOPES NO ONE WILL PUT THE PIECES TOGETHER.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, LET ME INTRODUCE YOU TO OUR NEW CHIEF PILOT. HE HAS NEVER FLOWN AN AIRPLANE, IN FACT HE HAS NEVER EVEN SAT IN THE COCKPIT, BUT HE SAYS HE HAS RIDDEN ON PLANES BEFORE. WE ARE SURE HE WILL GUIDE US SAFELY THROUGH THE STORMS WE MAY ENCOUNTER ON THIS FLIGHT.

PEOPLE WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?

HAVE YOU NEVER HEARD THE STORY ABOUT THE WOLF HIDING IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING SO HE CAN DESTROY THEM FROM WITH-IN ? THE HAND WRITING IS ON THE WALL, DO YOU NOT HAVE EYES TO SEE IT ?

THINK LONG AND HARD BEFORE YOU VOTE FOR THIS GUY! CONSIDER YOUR KIDS & GRANDKIDS. THEIR FUTURE IS IN OUR VOTING HANDS.

Posted by: More constant than bitter | September 17, 2008 5:38 AM | Report abuse

'This commercial was done by a local kid. You have to watch the whole thing. When he finishes talking and walks away, you get a sense of how this could be the commercial of the campaign season.

Bob Cook and I were on the Lake County Republican Central Committee together.
His son Joe returned from Iraq last year and I was at the celebration to welcome him home.'

Hi, My son Joe just did a commercial for John McCain.
Please pass this on.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8

Posted by: More constant than bitter | September 17, 2008 5:36 AM | Report abuse

lawyersforpooramericans,

Where was your concern for these POOR Americans when Bill was filling the prisons? Where so many lawyers stay? Under someones desk? You liberals are sickening. And saying the "lawyer" part only makes you a part of the real problem. Un-trustworthy and crooked. Always bending the truth, justice to suit you greedy purpose.

Posted by: More constant than bitter | September 17, 2008 5:24 AM | Report abuse

Republicans,

Please raise your right hand and repeat after me:

I [state your name] do solemnly swear that I have been wrong about the role government regulation should play in our markets. I hereby acknowledge that unfettered laissez faire economics places the health, safety, and well-being of our citizens at too great of a risk to be allowed. From lead contaminated toys to tainted medicine to an unsafe food supply to the current Wall Street Meltdown, it is now clear to to me that that my beliefs were foolish. I now recognize that government regulation is necessary for the protection of our citizens and of our economy from stupidity, greed, and corruption. I apologize to my fellow citizens for my support of the disasterous policies that have wreaked havoc on our nation. In an effort to make amends for screwing the pooch on this one with my foolish thinking, I will abstain from voting in November's election. It has become obvious to me that my judgment is lacking.

Posted by: hesingswithfrogs | September 17, 2008 2:49 AM | Report abuse

what parts of the economy work least well?

education and health care.

in what parts of the economy is government most heavy handed?

education and health care.

what does obama plan for education and health care?

to increase government control

vote for liberty.
smash the system
vote mccain.

Posted by: peter | September 16, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Smash the system.

Vote McCain.

Vote for liberty.

Posted by: peter | September 16, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

ABOUT 100 PROTESTER'S ARE CAMPED OUT IN FRONT OF 1 OF THE 9 HOMES OWNED BY JOHN MCCAIN. IN THIS CASE A CONDO ASKING MR. MCCAIN TO OPEN HIS DOORS. ASKING MR. MCCAIN TO EXPLAIN TO THEM WHAT HIS PLAN ON FORCLOSER SOLUTION'S WOULD BE. MEMBERS OF WHICH HAVE LOST THEIR HOMES IN THE WORSE ECONOMIC TIMES THEY CAN REMEBER. THEY ACCUALLY HAVE TENTS.

Posted by: opp88 | September 16, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

ABOUT 100 PROTESTER'S ARE IN FRONT OF ONE OF JOHN MCCAIN'S 9 HOMES. IN THIS CASE A CONDO, CAMPED OUT AND PROTESTING. ASKING MCCAIN TO OPEN HIS DOORS AND EXPLAIN TO THEM HIS FORCLOSER SOLUTION PLAN!

Posted by: opp88 | September 16, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

HAS THERE BEEN A BODY COUNT IN THE IRAQ WAR YET. SOME 4200+ IS OBAMA RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE DEATH?

Posted by: opp88 | September 16, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

www.changetowin.org

Posted by: opp88 | September 16, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

SENATOR OBAMA, PLEASE GIVE AMERICA ~ A DOSE OF REALITY ON THIS HORROR !!!

SENATOR OBAMA,THIS JUDICIAL INJUSTICE HAS BECOME AN AMERICAN ART FORM,AND NO LONGER CAN BE KEPT HIDDEN OR SECRET FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE !!!

LETS ALL HOPE OUR MEDIA FRIENDS CONTINUE TO SHOW AN INTEREST IN REPORTING ON THIS AMERICAN HORROR FACING THESE (TENS OF THOUSANDS) FORGOTTEN AND TRAPPED POORER AMERICANS, AND HOW THIS PRESIDENTIAL CONTENDER HANDLES THIS VERY SERIOUS ISSUE FACING AMERICA'S LATINO AND BLACK AMERICAN COMMUNITIES ??

WITH 80% OF THE BLACK AMERICAN VOTERS SAYING THEY SUPPORT SENATOR OBAMA IN THIS PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, IT IS ONLY FAIR FOR EVERYONE TO KNOW PRIOR BEING ELECTED OUR NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES HOW THIS DEMOCRATIC SENATOR TRULY FEELS ABOUT THIS AMERICAN JUDICIAL INJUSTICE CONTINUING TO INFLICT GRAVE HARM ON THE BLACK & LATINO AMERICAN FAMILIES AND THEIR COMMUNITIES NATIONWIDE ???

*** WHEN GOD'S FACE BECAME VERY RED ***
THE US SUPREME COURT GAVE ENEMY COMBATANTS FEDERAL APPEAL HC RIGHTS LAWYERS AND PROPER ACCESS TO US FEDERAL COURTS,AND POORER AMERICANS (MANY EVEN ON DEATH ROW) ARE DENIED PROPER FEDERAL APPEAL LEGAL REPRESENTATION TO OUR US FEDERAL COURTS OF APPEAL, AND ROTTING IN AMERICAN PRISONS NATIONWIDE ????

**** INNOCENT AMERICANS ARE DENIED REAL HC RIGHTS WITH THEIR FEDERAL APPEALS !
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE $LOWLY FINDING OUT HOW EA$Y IT I$ FOR MIDDLE CLA$$ AND WORKING POOR AMERICAN$ TO FALL VICTIM TO OUR U$ MONETARY JUDICIAL $Y$TEM.

****WHEN THE US INNOCENT WERE ABANDONED BY THE GUILTY ****
The prison experts have reported that there are 100,000 innocent Americans currently being falsely imprisoned along with the 2,300,000 total US prison population nationwide.
Since our US Congress has never afforded poor prison inmates federal appeal legal counsel for their federal retrials,they have effectively closed the doors on these tens of thousands of innocent citizens ever being capable of possibly exonerating themselves to regain their freedom through being granted new retrials.

This same exact unjust situation was happening in our Southern States when poor and mostly uneducated Black Americans were being falsely imprisoned for endless decades without the needed educational skills to properly submit their own written federal trial appeals.

This devious and deceptive judicial process of making our poor and innocent prison inmates formulate and write their own federal appeal legal cases for possible retrials on their state criminal cases,is still in effect today even though everyone in our US judicial system knows that without proper legal representation, these tens of thousands of innocent prison inmates will be denied their rightful opportunities of ever being granted new trials from our federal appeal judges!!

Sadly, the true US *legal* Federal Appeal situation that occurs when any of our uneducated American prison inmates are forced to attempt to submit their own written Federal Appeals (from our prisons nationwide) without the assistance of proper legal counsel, is that they all are in reality being denied their legitimate rights for Habeas Corpus and will win any future Supreme Court Case concerning this injustice!

For our judicial system and our US Congressional Leaders Of The Free World to continue to pretend that this is a real and fair opportunity for our American Middle Class and Working Poor Citizens, only delays the very needed future change of Federal Financing of all these Federal appeals becoming a normal formula of Our American judicial system.

It was not so very long ago that Public Defenders became a Reality in this country.Prior that legal reality taking place, their were also some who thought giving anyone charged with a crime a free lawyer was a waste of taxpayers $$.

This FACADE and HORROR of our Federal Appeal proce$$ is not worthy of the Greatest Country In The World!

***GREAT SOCIETIES THAT DO NOT PROTECT EVEN THEIR INNOCENT, BECOME THE GUILTY!

A MUST READ ABOUT AMERICAN INJUSTICE:
1) YAHOO AND 2) GOOGLE
MANNY GONZALES THE KID THAT EVERYONE FORGOT IN THE CA PRISON SYSTEM.
** A JUDICIAL RIDE OF ONES LIFE !

lawyersforpooramericans@yahoo.com
(424-247-2013)

Posted by: DOUGLAS FIELD | September 16, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: OBAMA 08' | September 16, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

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McCain should highlight one clear point: the danger is stagflation and Obama's high tax new programs and policies plunge the economy toward stagflation.


Obama's economic plan is nuts.


Clearly higher taxes is not the way to go however that is exactly what Obama wants to do - he wants to risk a deeper recession risk stagflation so that he can fuel his own ego by creating all these new government programs.


Obama thinks he is the one everyone has been waiting for to lead us to new government programs, more affirmative action and higher taxes.


McCain should make clear the dangers ahead and how his administration will steer this nation's economy so it will roar again. McCain's economic plan is the right way for the country to lead us.


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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | September 16, 2008 7:05 AM | Report abuse

It's amazing to me that McCain finally wants to focus on the economic issues when it puts him in the limelight and helps him in the polls. McCain focused on Gustave when it benefited him, but now has forgotten about Ike and Houston. It's like he flops from one limelight to the next. I am so disappointed in John McCain. What happened to the seemingly honorable and forward looking Senator we knew in 2000. Now he's just like Bush, distracting us with lipsticks, and pigs, and calling people names. I thought McCain would change the Republican Party, but he's just the same.

Posted by: Switch McCain to Obama | September 16, 2008 3:51 AM | Report abuse

The Republicans got us into this crisis with their aggressive push for deregulation & low interest rates which Alan Greenspan was all too happy to oblige them on. The dems are only guilty insofar as they didn't manage to stop them--with the exception of privatizing social security. John McCain would have us believe he's suddenly found a whole new financial philosophy now that he's running for president while the repub system is failing.

http://tiny.cc/obamastars

Posted by: Tom | September 16, 2008 3:43 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 3:22 AM | Report abuse

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This is a serious issue and all the talk about calling the Governor of Alaska names - calling her a pig and apparently today a poster who is probably an Obama staff blogger called her a Moose - is distracting - however the poster at 5:08 Scott under The Fix's entry "FixCam Week in Preview" is correct - there is a distinct possibility that Obama boke Federal law if Obama sought to negotiate a deal with the Iraqi government involving US Troops and their movements within Iraq during this summer.


Obama has got to be kidding to try something like this.


The Logan Act is a Federal law which seeks to clarify that the President and the administration is the sole representative of the United States in foreign and military affairs. Legislators can not go off and start negotiating and making deals with foreign nations - if they attempt to do that they violate Federal law.


Any Campaign should be careful to stay out of foreign policy in the year before the election -


Our national security depends on respect for this clarity - this story is OUTRAGEOUS - THE STORY IS OBAMA WANTS THE WAR TO CONTINUE FOR HIS OWN PERSONAL POLITICAL BENEFIT.


Is Obama for the war or against the war?


The truth is: Obama is against the war when he wants the anti-war votes AND he is for the war when he CALCULATES THAT CONTINUING THE WAR WILL GET HIM MORE VOTES IN NOVEMBER.


OBAMA IS AN EXTREMELY SICK MAN TO PLAY WITH THE LIVES OF OUR MILITARY MEN AND WOMEN THIS WAY.


In fact, it is more than the potential violations of the Logan Federal Act - it could be TREASON to start negotiating a separate military policy when one is not the President especially when the American servicemen are risking their lives in the war zone. Clearly Obama is unfit for office and unfit to even be an elected official.


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Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 3:21 AM | Report abuse

Anonymous wrote "Robert Reich says deregulation of these financial institutions started during Pres. Clinton administration. It was done by Robert Ruben."

Yes. Democrats have this annoying tendency to follow the law, even when it is written by Republicans.

Unlike Bush, who won't acknowledge that laws apply to the executive branch. Or Cheney, who won't even admit that he's part of the executive branch!

Posted by: drossless | September 15, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Given that Enron-linked....

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A01E0D81038F934A25752C0A9649C8B63


..former senator, McCain economic advisor, and mortgage-industry-specializing banking lobbyist Phil Gramm...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24844889/


...has been credited as mover and shaker behind the very law that allowed the current financial meltdown to happen, I'd love to hear what McCain and Gramm think should be done to solve this crisis?

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20080701_Dave_Davies__A_few_minutes_with_McCain.html


As of yet, of course, their only response is to deny that any of it is significant. No problem, everything's fine. Sure, people are losing their homes to foreclosure; sure, investors are being wiped out. But hey, aside from that, everything's peachy.


Nonetheless... since McCain has indeed pegged Gramm as "one of the smartest person in the world" when it comes to economics, I'm dying to find out what Phil Gramm thinks should be done to fix the problem that Phil Gramm and the other lets-deregulate-everything Republicans helped create.


Maybe drilling will fix it? HAHAHA!!!


Maybe more deregulation will allow the free market to something something something?


Maybe if we had poured all our Social Security into these institutions, this would never have happened, because the free market dictates that private retirement investments always go up. Just like how dropped toast always lands on its edge?


Maybe the Republicans have invented a machine to convert crap into gold?


Maybe Lehman Brothers should have sold more stuff on eBay?


No, seriously -- I'm all ears. What's your advice to America this time, Gramm? McCain?.....even..maybe..Palin?!?!

Posted by: Hockey Mom For Obama/Biden | September 15, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse


THE SARAH PALIN PICK... THE MORTGAGE-CREDIT MELTDOWN... GOVT TAKEOVER OF WALL STREET AND MORTGAGE MARKET... STATE-FUNDED VIGILANTE SQUADS TARGETING AMERICAN CITIZENS FOR HARASSMENT AND ABUSE...

IS OUR CONSTITUTIONAL DEMOCRACY BEING SUBVERTED BY WAY OF A SILENT COUP?

See article below:

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EXPOSE STATE-SUPPORTED VIGILANTE SQUADS DOING 'DOMESTIC TERRORISM'


• Congress must probe unlawful targeting of American citizens by vigilantes hiding behind government-funded volunteer programs

• Due process denied, Constitution discarded by "extra-legal control mechanism" said to resemble the KKK, the Stasi and the Nazi Gestapo

• A cause of the crisis in the mortgage and credit markets?

• When will Chertoff, McConnell, Mukasey, Mueller, Gates and Paulson take action?


A virulent form of "domestic terrorism" is destroying the rule of law in America.

Victims of so-called organized "gang stalking" or "community stalking" charge that the rule of law has broken down nationwide at the hands of state-supported vigilantes -- operating under the cover of citizen "volunteer" programs and various "service" corps.

Organized groups of private citizens, funded by elements of government at multiple levels, are the backbone of an "extra legal" control mechanism that its victims say is denying citizens their constitutional right of due process under the law. Victims of this extra-legal network maintain that these vigilantes are functioning outside the legal system as judge, jury and executioner -- meting out various forms of harassment and abuse.

Victims call it "domestic terrorism" and they allege that their human rights are being violated.

Those who have been targeted by these groups say this vigilante militia is patrolling the streets, stalking and harassing, inflicting physical harm upon people who have been targeted by this extra-legal control mechanism. Some victims have moved to other cities and towns to escape the persecution -- but they say the vigilantism recurs in their new locale.

"It appears to be a nationwide network that attracts right-wing extremists as well as law and order types and people connected to public safety such as firefighters, police auxiliaries, retired police and military officers, and even their family members," says one victim, who says he has been "gang-stalked" for several years. "I doubt it could exist without some people in positions of power looking the other way."

Even some regular, uniformed police are reported to have been intimidated by this network of extra-legal control, using volunteer citizens as the "street muscle."

Victims say that in addition to being physically harassed, their property is being vandalized; their privacy is being invaded; their mail is intercepted, financial accounts and billing statements altered, family finances decimated; and their physical well-being has been compromised using hi-tech instruments such as "directed energy weapons" that emit silent bursts of radiation -- lasers, microwaves, x-rays, even sonic frequencies -- that can disable, main, induce illness or even kill.

"This is torture that's happening right here, in American cities and towns," says one alleged victim. "But it's like pre- World War II Germany; people refuse to believe that such abuses could happen in a civilized society. But it is happening. And I'm convinced that local and federal authorities not only have knowledge of this extra-legal targeting, but are providing funding and direction.

"I know the FBI knows about it, because I've been down there several times over the past two years to report it." He says he knows of no formal investigation, despite his offers to cooperate.

"I'm not saying they know of the worst abuses, such as using microwaves on targeted persons to degrade their health and make it impossible for them to earn a living. But they must know that these citizen patrols are doing a lot more than just cruising around the neighborhood. "

Citizens who have reported abuses say their complaints are typically ignored -- or that authorities insinuate that their claims are figments of their imagination, or are a manifestation of a mental illness such as paranoia.

"That appears to be part of the M-O," says one victim. "You haven't done anything wrong, so they can't charge you with a crime. So they attempt to make it look like you're crazy. That's how they marginalize people who don't fit in with their world view."

This victim believes the vigilante network is a convenient way for those in power to dispense with persons they simply don't like, or whose political or social views do not hew to what they regard as the established order.

Victims also believe that a network of government programs and agencies works in tandem with the extra-legal vigilante system to destroy their financial security. They allege that the crisis in the mortgage and credit markets may have been worsened by these programs, which they say are sapping the financial well-being of individuals and families without benefit of the right of due process.

Some victims wonder whether these extra-legal programs didn't create those financial crises in the first place. "We haven't had these kind of widespread financial woes for sixty years," a gang-stalking victim said. "You have to wonder if these programs weren't a blueprint for an ideologically-motivated purge."

Some of the agencies looking into the mortgage and credit market problems may have had long-standing knowledge of these programs, according to victims, who are calling on Congress to investigate.

"The issue of state-supported vigilantism and extra-legal control represents an assault on our judicial system that makes Watergate look like the third-rate burglary that it started out to be," says one gang-stalking victim. "Since government agencies appear to be involved in funding these programs, it's up to Congress to investigate, to use its powers of oversight to ensure that democracy and the rule of law prevails -- and not the law of the jungle."

President Clinton often talked about "the politics of personal destruction." Hillary Clinton warned against the "vast right-wing conspiracy," a concern she reaffirmed, albeit in milder descriptive language, in her autobiography, "Living History."

The network of programs and policies that are allegedly circumventing the judicial system, violating constitutional rights and meting out vigilante justice, might collectively be termed the MECHANICS of personal destruction.

Were Bill and Hillary Clinton trying to warn the rest of us about an evil that even the power of the presidency could not keep in check?

The entire electoral process is being marginalized, relegated to little more than window dressing, as true power is stolen away by a neo-fascist element that has found a way to seize the reins of power and authority. It is analogous to what John Dean called "a cancer" -- not just on the presidency, but on the entire body politic.

Amazing as it sounds, this powerful apparatus appears to exist under the radar of most elected members of Congress. Those who should know, perhaps they believe such programs exist to target "terrorists," so-called enemies of the state. They naively refuse to believe that these programs, over time, appear to have morphed into a vast system of extra-legal vigilante control not unlike the East German Stasi, the KKK of the old South, the Gestapo of the Nazi Third Reich -- and that these programs effectively deny innocent American citizens their constitutional rights.

This appears to be nothing less than neo-fascism under the guise of "national security" and "keeping America safe." And liberals and progressives, who arguably are represented among the targets of these programs, naively insist that "it can't happen here." Only the Libertarians seem to perceive the threat.

Whoever is elected the next president will inherit these programs. That person, if he learns of such programs, is likely to be told of their necessity and propriety -- that such an extra-legal control mechanism, employing citizen vigilantes and extra-legal programs targeting financial resources, can co-exist with democracy.

In fact, this extra-legal control mechanism is destroying our democracy; much damage already has been done. Individuals and families are being slowly destroyed. Some call it a "silent holocaust" due to its clandestine nature and the use of silent, invisible "directed energy" technology.

Below are links to the articles about this imminent danger to our constitutional democracy. I urge lawmakers and congressional committee staffers to do some research, and start asking some tough questions, starting with the Department of Homeland Security:

"Mr. Chertoff, are you aware that many Americans believe they have been the victims of so-called community or gang stalking, possibly perpetrated by persons equipped and trained by federally funded volunteer programs under your charge? Have you heard of such reports, and are you investigating to ensure that these programs and their resources are not being misused?"

That would be a good place to start. It apparently goes much broader and deeper; but the curative process must begin before more Americans are seriously damaged by this descent from the rule of law to the nihilist rule of the jungle.

A FINAL NOTE: The writer's communications are subject to persistent disruption and tampering by unknown hackers. Please consider forwarding the links below to people you know at the ALCU.org, CCRjustice.org, or any other group that could help protect our civil liberties from this dangerous encroachment.


http://www.nowpublic.com/world/get-political-vic-livingston-opinion-expose-state-supported-vigilante-squads-doing-domestic-terrorism

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/zap-have-you-been-targeted-directed-energy-weapon-victims-organized-gang-stalking-say-its-happening-usa-1

OR search www.nowpublic.com/scrivener


Posted by: scrivener | September 15, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Obama is not going to raise taxes on anyone making under 250,000 What part of that is it that republicans cant comprehend as they keep saying hes going to raise taxes on everyone.Oh i get it those republicans are the ones making over 250,000 they are just worried about their wealth not our economy our country or people.silly me.may the wealthy stingy republicans and their dirty money burn together in the deepest parts of h***.

Posted by: sharon | September 15, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

How times have changed. Just last December:

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2007/12/mccain_he_wants_people_to_tell.html

"When it comes to his vice president, McCain said he could envision giving the vice president responsibility to oversee certain policy matters...
That subject area might be the economy, an area McCain said he has never been completely comfortable with.

"The issue of economics is something that I've really never understood as well as I should. I understand the basics, the fundamentals, the vision, all that kind of stuff,'' he said. "But I would like to have someone I'm close to that really is a good strong economist. "

That would be... Sarah Palin!!! She does know how to turn a surplus into a deficit, like she did in Wasilla, so she fits right in with Republican economic theory, that's sure.

Also from that article, McCain said:

"As long as Alan Greenspan is around I would certainly use him for advice and counsel."

Hmm, that's why McCain said today that "the fundamentals are sound", while Greenspan yesterday on "This Week with George Stephanopoulos" said that this crisis is the kind that comes around once in a hundred years, and is far worse than anything he has seen in his life.

Finally, not only did McCain's former campaign co-chair, chief economic adviser, and the guy he called the smartest person he knows, call Americans "a bunch of whiners" about the economy (the one who passed the law deregulating credit swaps in 2000 that enabled this crisis in the first place - that would be Phil Gramm). But now a SECOND McCain adviser just yesterday called your fellow Americans "a nation of exaggerators!"

"http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/12/AR2008091202415.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Talk about OUT OF TOUCH!!! His reasoning: things aren't as bad as the Great Depression! What a strong endorsement of Republican Economic Policies! If McCain and his clueless VP somehow get into office, I'm sure we'll be able to come damn close to those days, if not surpass them. How can McCain possibly fix a problem that his economic advisers STILL don't admit even exists!

Posted by: orrg1 | September 15, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

mccain says the economy is strong people so stop whining and go feed your kids their crackers and water while non citizen mccain eats his t-bone steak and fries.

Posted by: sharon | September 15, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

so Alan Greenspan, the only person around who is older than McCain, says the current financial crisis is worse than anything he can recall in his lifetime, a once in a century disaster that is still getting worse, and McCain, whose buddy Gramm led the charge for the deregulation that led all these lenders to make ridiculous loans for short term gain, says the fundamentals are fine, and claims he is the guy who can reform Wall Street? Wall Street owns him, and he thinks nothing's wrong. Of course he's the one to reform it. what a cynical joke

Posted by: JoeT | September 15, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

To SoCalGal - If the VP does nothing, then why is Palin under so much scrutiny? --- The fact is she may become a heatbeat away from the Presidency and could very well become or next President of the United States. So her issues and her priorities should matter - to me and to you.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

How exactly is Palin going to reform Washington?

The Constitution of the United States only provides a single power to the Vice President--and even that is limited: "shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be evenly divided."

The Vice President has no legislative powers.

The Vice President has no judicial powers.

The Vice President has no veto powers.

The Vice President has no authority over the Senate.

The Vice President has no authority over the House of Representatives.

The Vice President has no authority over the Executive Branch.

Further, the democrats have a majority in both Houses; Palin is an unknown, outsider who has no professional relationships with members of Congress; Palin is an unknown outsider who no influence with Congress.

If elected, Palin will have no power, no influence, no network in Congress, and be a member of the minority party.

So exactly how is Palin going to reform Washington?

Posted by: socalgal59 | September 15, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Let's see: John McCain corruptly contributed to the savings and loan crisis some years ago.

And in at least the last four years, he has voted over 90% of the time in favor of the reckless tax and financial regulatory prescriptions of the Bush Administration -- even when they were directly contrary to his previous public positions.

He recently admitted he doesn't understand the economy.

And now he mumbles that the "fundamentals are sound." Do you suppose he has any idea of what he's saying?

Posted by: Helen | September 15, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

mcworse wont change anything, hes voted with dum dum 95% of the time and saying hes no different than bush is straight talk you all can count on and he choose a woman as his v.p. thats allowing her 17 yr old pregnant kid to marry knowing how little chance the teenage marriages have of making it but i guess it looks better on her to not have a unwed teen with the elections so close.mccain is not even a real u.s.citizen the panama canal zone has NO record of his birth at all.NONE ZERO.He has no legal right to even be our next President.If folks think the economy is bad now just let them elect the non u.s.citizen mcworse and then they will see what a complete economic meltdown looks like and it wont be pretty.

Posted by: sharon | September 15, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Robert Reich says deregulation of these financial institutions started during Pres. Clinton administration. It was done by Robert Ruben.
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But all the financial regulatory bodies are in the executive branch -- i.e., run by the president. And he doesn't take well to pesky congressional democrats meddling in his business, now does he? So, I think he gets to take credit for this mess, since he insisted so hard on keeping it all to himself.

Love the way you republicans get all bi-partisan whenever there's blame to go around.

Posted by: drossless | September 15, 2008 10:32 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

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This is a serious issue and all the talk about calling the Governor of Alaska names - calling her a pig and apparently today a poster who is probably an Obama staff blogger called her a Moose - is distracting - however the poster at 5:08 Scott under The Fix's entry "FixCam Week in Preview" is correct - there is a distinct possibility that Obama boke Federal law if Obama sought to negotiate a deal with the Iraqi government involving US Troops and their movements within Iraq during this summer.


Obama has got to be kidding to try something like this.


The Logan Act is a Federal law which seeks to clarify that the President and the administration is the sole representative of the United States in foreign and military affairs. Legislators can not go off and start negotiating and making deals with foreign nations - if they attempt to do that they violate Federal law.


Any Campaign should be careful to stay out of foreign policy in the year before the election -


Our national security depends on respect for this clarity - this story is OUTRAGEOUS - THE STORY IS OBAMA WANTS THE WAR TO CONTINUE FOR HIS OWN PERSONAL POLITICAL BENEFIT.


Is Obama for the war or against the war?


The truth is: Obama is against the war when he wants the anti-war votes AND he is for the war when he CALCULATES THAT CONTINUING THE WAR WILL GET HIM MORE VOTES IN NOVEMBER.


OBAMA IS AN EXTREMELY SICK MAN TO PLAY WITH THE LIVES OF OUR MILITARY MEN AND WOMEN THIS WAY.


In fact, it is more than the potential violations of the Logan Federal Act - it could be TREASON to start negotiating a separate military policy when one is not the President especially when the American servicemen are risking their lives in the war zone. Clearly Obama is unfit for office and unfit to even be an elected official.

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Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

To the poster at 10:35 if we fire all the democrats from the government, close all the wasteful government programs and eliminate the corruption in the inner cities which is almost exclusively democratic corruption, this nation would be better off - put all the corrupt democrats in jail !

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Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

And if you rightwingers think that lower taxes themselves create jobs, why don't you clamor for getting rid of taxes altogether? That way we'd all be employed, right?

Posted by: castanea | September 15, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Why are you rightwingers so hateful? Why can't you accept the fact that these economics crapstorms are the result of your Republican policies--deregulation and so forth?

Why don't you grow cojones and man up and accept the blame?

Instead all you do is say "blah blah blah Clinton's fault blah blah blah Democrats did it."

Really, the whining you guys have been doing has become rather shrill. Pipe down already.

Posted by: castanea | September 15, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

The crimes agaist tax payers 401K plans stolen with a stroke of a pen.The play ground of the Dem party and the bail out of Freddy and Fannie and thier CEOs walking away with millions in thier pockets.The taps been open to raid the tax payers pocket by congress to support a bankrupt ideal.Where is the outrage where is the crongressinal investagation to the failing of out of control lending.The fall is coming whats next George Soros devaluing the US Dollar as he did the the British pound?with the Black Wendsday and with that attack on the American public sending into a deep depression.
Congress has one interest its self and its own interest and power and its lap dog the press.


Palin to Pilate
Obama to Jesus
Glad to see that this forum brings out such amount of people who like to compair a man to a bible story.
Least they fail to see,His own group of 12 that betrayed and denounced him in his last hours.Lets not forget the preist and elders that conspired agaist Jesus and of course the mob that Pilate that screamed for Jesus to put to the cross.Pilate washed his hands and let mob rule decide!

Posted by: Chicago Slam | September 15, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

"He would not accept the Democrats are also responsible since both Democrat and Republican have control of Washington for the last 2 years."

But all the financial regulatory bodies are in the executive branch -- i.e., run by the president. And he doesn't take well to pesky congressional democrats meddling in his business, now does he? So, I think he gets to take credit for this mess, since he insisted so hard on keeping it all to himself.

Love the way you republicans get all bi-partisan whenever there's blame to go around.

Posted by: drossless | September 15, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

* DEFINATELY SEN. MCCAIN IS AHEAD OF SEN. OBAMA ON THIS ECONOMIC PROBLEM because Sen. McCain has already accepted that this problem is caused by both Rep. and Dem.

* However, Sen. Obama “De Juvenile” is out trying blame only Republicans. He would not accept the Democrats are also responsible since both Democrat and Republican have control of Washington for the last 2 years.


* Even Robert Reich, Pres. Clinton Sec. of Labor and advisor to Sen. Obama, has accepted that this problem is caused by both Rep. and Dem.

Posted by: Tony L. | September 15, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Think of it this way.

We have been hearing since Reagan that “Government is the problem”; that government should get “out of the way”; that the private sector can always do it better and cheaper.

If one has this philosophy then it is natural to undermine government; to get it “out of the way”.

The Bush administration has systematically undermined the efficacy of the government by gutting any agency which it views as “standing in the way”.

You appoint “your guys” no matter how incompetent; you oust the professionals; you gut their budgets. You oppose anything which might “impede” the private sector corporations - consumer protections; food inspections; road and bridge inspection; financial regulations. You politicize the Justice Department, so that it finds nothing, even torture, objectionable.

You never lift a voice or use the bully pulpit against corporations shipping jobs wholesale overseas. Our retailers buy all their inventory from China and you ship them our money, never insisting that China adjust its foreign exchange rate. Then you borrow the money back from China to plug our budget deficit, caused by corporate tax cuts and cuts for the top 1% of Americans. You ship the borrowed money to our oil suppliers and oppose any effort to reduce dependency by seeking alternative renewable sources of fuel. After all, you’re an oil man.

You start an unnecessary war costing hundreds of billions of dollars much of it going to favored construction companies doing work shoddy enough to electrocute ten soldiers in their showers. Hired thugs masquerading as “security details” rake in more of the money, answering to no one. We “rebuild” Iraq (which we never had to destroy anyway) while the Iraqis have almost $80 billion in the bank.

You shred the Constitution, abridge habeas corpus. You get elected by selling your “values” while robbing the country blind. You never talk about economics. You always scare the voters with the next bogeyman around the corner.

You take the country into a permanent state of war with a volunteer army - a state so permanent no one even notices it anymore as they go to the mall. You ask nothing from them but their acquiescence.

“Just go shopping folks!”

What we clearly have now is a corporate state run by those who think law doesn’t apply to them.

Its called fascism

Posted by: toritto | September 15, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

The future of a McCain presidency:

Phil Gramm who called us all whiners and who was McCain's Economic advisor until he made that comment about whiners. He is still advising the campaign, though, so don't you worry, those who agree people who aren't rich are whiners.

Phil Gramm who opened the floodgates of the current economic crisis thanks to the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act and slid into a cush job at the bank he passed the bill for.

McCain's big bud.

McCain's close friend.

Phil Gramm - his stamp on 12,000 jobs lost today.

Posted by: Uli | September 15, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

I think republicans can't wrap their heads around the idea that if you keep raising spending (war, medicare) and cutting taxes, sure, you get to keep more dollars in your pocket. But each dollar is worth less. Eventually, your dollar isn't worth anything.

Go ask Argentina. Funny, Republicans are doing to our economy what socialists did to Argentina's.

Posted by: drossless | September 15, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Because Sarah Palin is being questioned about her choices as mayor and governor doesn't mean the world is sexist. I am not one of those Hillary supporters who believes the hype about the Dem. primary even the claims coming from Hil herself. Obama wasn't responsible for Fox news. Hil dished it out hard and unfortunately lost. I would never dream of voting McCain because Palin is a woman, that is beyond misguided, and means you care nothing for principles and ideas. Palin is getting thrown softballs and if you actually watched the interview with Gibson you would see for yourself she has no idea what she is talking about.

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Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Billy Pilgrim wrote, "Palin lies again...didn't she just tell Charlie Gibson that she would cooperate fully with the Troopergate investigation...".

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Sexism is alive and well in America. She is constantly criticized by the leftist media simply because she is a conservative woman. The media never went after Obama for accepting money from a felon, Tony Rezco, to help build his home. They never went after Obama for doing political favors for the same Tony Rezco. Gee, I wonder why? Yes, sexism is alive and well in America.

Posted by: Dodgers1 | September 15, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

When the economy is really bad, our presidential candidate still can garner a half Billion dollars wholly for the waisteful campaign. Bad economy??? There are still big pools of riches in this country to pour money in to the political campaign. Here is the list of a celebrity fund raising schedule for this month.


Obama celebrity fund-raising schedule. The list.
By
Lynn Sweet
on September 9, 2008 8:00 AM | )

WASHINGTON--The Obama campaign is heavily reliant on big names and high powered surrogates to draw in big dollar donors. Barack Obama is under enormous pressure to raise millions because he did not talk public financing. John McCain has a head start--he received $84 million in public funds when he officially became the GOP nominee in St. Paul last week. Here's a list of recent and upcoming Obama campaign fund raising events.

My Sun-Times column on this ran in the Sunday Sun-Times, on Sept. 7.

9/3/08 - Los Angeles, CA
The home of Bryan Lourd
1071 Brooklawn Drive
5:30pm - VIP LGBT Reception with Michelle Obama
6:00pm - LGBT Reception with Michelle Obama
Host/VIP/Ticket Price: $25,000, $2,300, $1,000

9/3/08 - Beverly Hills, CA
17 Beverly Park South
6:30pm - VIP Reception with Michelle Obama
7:30pm - General Reception with Michelle Obama
VIP/Ticket Price: $25,000, $2,300

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9/4/08 - Washington, DC
Renaissance Mayflower Hotel
1127 Connecticut Ave, NW
5:00pm - VIP Reception & Photo with Senator Biden
5:30pm - Cocktail Reception & Discussion with Senator Biden
VIP/Ticket Price: $10,000, $2,300, $1,000

9/4/08 - Washington, DC
The home of Anne Ashmore Hudson & Jim Hudson

6:30pm - Dinner with Senator Biden
Ticket Price: Write $14,250 or Raise $28,500

9/4/08 - Ketchum, ID
Blinken Residence
6:30pm - Host/Co-Chair Reception with Senator Daschle
7:00pm - Reception with Senator Daschle
8:00pm - Dinner with Senator Daschle
Chair/Host/Reception & Dinner/ Reception Only: $25,000, $10,000, $5,000, $500

9/4/08 - New York, NY
The home of Beth & David Shaw
Address provided upon RSVP
6:30pm - Policy Series Discussion with Gov. Richardson (Energy & the Environment)
Entire Series/Individual Event: $10,000, $2,500

9/4/08 - Washington, DC
Jones Day Law Firm
51 Louisiana Avenue, NW
6:00pm - Cocktail Reception with Susan Rice, Richard Danzig & Greg Craig
Discussion & Reception/ . only: $5,000, $1,000


9/4/08 - Washington, DC
The home of Donald Richardson
6:30pm-8:00pm - Cocktails and Conversation with Michael Strautmanis
Host/Ticket Price: $2,500, $200

9/5/08 - Middletown, NJ
The home of Tammy & Phil Murphy

5:00pm - Host Reception/Photo Line with Senator Obama
5:30pm - General Reception with Senator Obama
Host/Ticket Price: $50,000, $2,300

9/5/08 - Middletown, NJ
The home of Dorothea & Jon Bon Jovi
Address provided upon RSVP
7:00pm - Dinner with Senator Obama Ticket Price: $30,800

9/6/08 - West Orange, NJ
The home of Robert Van Lierop
90 Gregory Avenue
4:00pm - VIP Reception with Governor Richardson
4:30pm - General Reception with Governor Richardson
VIP/Ticket Price: $2,300, $1,000, $500

9/7/08 - Los Angeles, CA
The home of Janet Clayton & Michael Johnson
655 S. Rimpau
11:00am - Reception with Valerie Jarrett
Ticket Price: $1,0009/7/08 - Brandy Station, VA
Brandy Rock Farm
12178 Farley Rd.
2:00pm-4:00pm - Bi-Partisan Luncheon with Sen. Webb and Susan Eisenhower
Ticket Levels: $2,300, $1,000, $500


9/7/08 - Parkland, FL
The home of Broward County Commissioner Stacy Ritter
7711 Salem Avenue
4:45pm - Reception with Senator Schumer
Ticket Price: $5,000

9/7/08 - Phoenix, MD
Residence & Art Galleries of Robert E. Meyerhoff
Address provided upon RSVP
5:00pm - Cocktails and Hors D'oeuvres in the galleries
6:00pm - Performance by Leon Fleisher, Yo Yo Ma and Itzhak Perlman
Ticket Price: $5,000

9/8/08 - Des Moines, IA
The Temple for Performing Arts
1011 Locust Street
5:00pm - Cocktail Reception with Senator Biden
6:00pm - VIP Dinner with Senator Biden
Chair/VIP Dinner/Ticket Price: $28,500, raise $10,000 or write $5,000, $1,000

9/8/08 - New York, NY
The home of Stephanie Horton & Courtney Dupree
15 Broad Street, Apt. 1114
5:30pm-7:30pm - Cocktail Reception with Valerie Jarrett
Sponsor/Ticket Price: $2,300, $1,000

9/8/08 - New York, NY
The home of Maureen White & Steve Rattner
Address provided upon RSVP
7:00pm - Policy Series Discussion with Valerie Jarrett (Insiders View)
Entire Series/Individual Event: $10,000, $2,500

9/8/08 - Washington, DC
The City Club of Washington at Franklin Square
1300 I Street NW
6:30pm -VIP Reception with Senator Rockefeller
7:00pm - Cocktail Reception with Senator Rockafeller
VIP Reception/Ticket Price: $2,300, $1,000

9/9/08 - New York, NY
Fulbright & Jaworski
666 Fifth Avenue
1:00pm-2:30pm - Reception with Governor Dean
Host/Ticket Price/ Young Professionals: $5,000, $1,000, $500


9/9/08 - Chicago, IL
The home of Steven Koch

6:30pm - Reception with Senator Biden
The home of Barbara Manilow

7:30pm - Dinner with Senator Biden
Dinner/Reception: $5,000, $1,000

9/9/08 - New York, NY
Charles Nolan Studio
637 West 27th Street
6:30pm - VIP Runway to Change Reception
7:00pm - Runway to Change Launch Party
VIP/Ticket Price: Raise $10,000 or write $5,000, $250

9/9/08 - Flushing, NY
Mets Stadium/Managers Box, Suite 29/30
123-01 Roosevelt Avenue
7:00pm-9:00pm - Reception with Governor Howard Dean
Host/Ticket Price: $10,000, $2,500

9/10/08 - Chicago, IL
Location available upon RSVP
4:30pm-5:30pm - Political and Policy Briefing with David Plouffe and Senior Staff
6:30pm-8:30pm - Dinner with Senior Staff
Ticket Price: $10,000

9/10/08 - New York, NY
The home of Malla Perry & Barry Fox
12 East 88th Street, Penthouse
8:00pm - Reception with Richard Danzig
Sponsor/Ticket Price: $2,300, $1,00

9/12/08 - Boston, MA
The Law Offices of Mintz, Levin, Cohn, Ferris, Glovsky and Popeo LLP
One Financial Center
12:00pm - Luncheon with Attorney General Martha Coakley
Ticket Price: $250 and $500

9/12/08 - Phoenix, AZ
The home of Sandra Kennedy-Burton & MC Burton
10214 North 44th Street
6:30pm - Reception with Congressman Harry Mitchell
Ticket Price: $100

9/12/08 - Lexington, MA
The home of Martha Pavlakis & Erik Brynjolfsson

7:00pm - Reception with David Cutler, OFA Health Care Policy Advisor
Co-Host/Sponsor/Friend/Ticket Price: $2,300, $1,000, $500, $200


9/14/08 - Los Angeles, CA
The home of Shari & Richard Foos

4:00pm - General Reception with Governor Dean
6:00pm - Dinner with Governor Dean
Dinner/Ticket Price: $5,000, $250

9/18/08 - Washington, DC
The home of Dennis McClellan & Steven Deggendorf

6:00pm - Reception with Gov. Dean
Chair/Host/Ticket Price: $2,300, $1,000, $250

9/18/08 - New York, NY
The Jones Day Annex
605 3rd Avenue, 7th floor
6:00pm - Lawyers for Obama General Reception with Eric Holder
The home of Chuck Clayman
8:00pm - Lawyers for Obama dinner with Eric Holder
Dinner/Ticket Price/Young Lawyers: $2,500, $1,000, $500

9/19/08 - Princeton, NJ
The home of Lisa Fischetti & Ralph Lerner
176 Parkside Drive
6:00pm-6:30pm - VIP Reception with Caroline Kennedy
6:00pm-8:00pm - Reception with Caroline Kennedy
Host & VIP/Ticket Price: $2,300, $1,000 & $500


9/20/08 - New Canaan, CT
The home of Shiva Saaram
33 Soundview Lane
11:00am - Host/VIP Reception with Caroline Kennedy & Meryl Streep
11:20am - Brunch with Caroline Kennedy & Meryl Streep
Host/VIP/Ticket Price: $10,000, $2,500, $1,000


9/20/08 - Boston, MA
The District Restaurant & Lounge
180 Lincoln Street
5:00pm - VIP Reception with Caroline Kennedy
5:30pm - General Reception with Caroline Kennedy
VIP/Ticket Levels: $2,500, $1,000, $500

9/20/08 - Chevy Chase, MD
The home of Denis & Peter Glassman
3512 Cummings Lane
5:00pm-7:00pm - Cocktail Reception with Richard Danzig & Bill Kennard
Suggested/Ticket Price: $2,300, $1,000

9/20/08 - Silver Spring, MD
Pyramid Atlantic
8230 Georgia Avenue
6:00pm - Reception with Valerie Jarrett
Co'Host/Ticket Levels: $2,500, $1,000, $500, $250

9/23/08 - New York, NY
The home of Barbaralee Diamonstein & Carl Spielvogel
Address provided upon RSVP
5:30pm - Policy Series Discussion with Sen. Daschle ("How to Change Washington")
Entire Series/Individual Event: $10,000, $2,500

9/23/08 - Cambridge, MA
The home of Lenore & Tony Martin
3 Channing Circle
6:30pm - Reception with Professor Laurence Tribe
Sponsor/Friend/Ticket Price: $1,000, $500, $250

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9/24/08 - Englewood, NJ
The home of Andrea & Fitz Haney
229 Chestnut St.
8:00pm - Cocktail Reception with Ambassador Dennis Ross
8:30pm - Presentation and Questions with Ambassador Dennis Ross
Co-Host/Ticket Price: $10,000, $2,300

9/25/08 - Santa Barbara, CA
The home of Nancy & Larry Koppelman
1453 Bonnymede Drive
11:30am - General Reception with Caroline Kennedy
1:00pm - VIP Lunch with Caroline Kennedy
Co-Host/VIP/Ticket Price: $25,000, $5,000, $1,500

9/25/08 - London, UK
One Whitehall Place
12:00pm - Host Reception with Al Gore and Paul Tewes
12:30pm - Lunch with Al Gore and Paul Tewes
Host/Ticket Price: $28,500, $10,000

9/25/08 - Brentwood, CA
The home of Helen & Theodore J. Boutrous, Jr.
Address provided upon RSVP
5:30pm - VIP Reception with Caroline Kennedy
6:30pm - General Reception with Caroline Kennedy
Co-Host/VIP/Ticket Price: $10,000, $2,300, $500

9/26/08 - Sacramento, CA
Mason's Restaurant
1116 15th Street
11:00 - Reception with Caroline Kennedy
VIP/Ticket Price: $5,000, $2,300


10/10/08 - 10/11/08 - Chicago, IL
Location provided upon RSVP
Times TBD: National Women's Leadership Issues Conference with Senator Barack Obama
Tickets range from $5,000 - $28,500 - a limited amount of $1,000 tickets are available prior to September 15th.
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Posted by: jurih | September 15, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Palin lies again...didn't she just tell Charlie Gibson that she would cooperate fully with the Troopergate investigation...no more. The McCain campaign just announced that she will not be cooperating.

Shocker!

Posted by: Billy Pilgrim | September 15, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Spoiled Kids wrote:
you really think a beer-swilling C student deserves $12,000 a year for two months summer work picking up trash?

-- You mean C student like W? No they don't deserve money! Only one deserving 2000$ shoes
and 100000$ dresses are the Mc Cain family! and soon the Palins!

Posted by: Bosse | September 15, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse


FROM THE FOLKS WHO BROUGHT JOHN EDWARD'S, THEY NOW BRINGS YOU: "TRACK PALIN"
THE COKE HEAD WHO BEAT GOING TO JAIL BY GOING IN THE MILITARY AND HIS WONDERFUL PARENTS WHO RAISED SUCH A FINE FAMILY.


The NATIONAL ENQUIRER’S exclusive ongoing investigation of GOP VP Nom Sarah 'Barracuda' Palin’s goes far beyond a mere teen pregnancy crisis this week!

The Enquirer’s team of reporters has combed the Alaskan wilderness to discover the hidden truth about Gov. Palin’s family, which has become a central part of her political identity.

The ENQUIRER has learned exclusively that Sarah's oldest son, Track, was addicted to the power drug OxyContin for nearly the past two years, snorting it, eating it, smoking it and even injecting it. And as Track, 19, heads to Iraq as part of the U.S. armed forces, Sarah and her husband Todd were powerless to stop his wild antics, detailed in the new issue of The ENQUIRER, which goes on sale today.

THE ENQUIRER also has exclusive details about Track's use of other drugs, including cocaine, and his involvement in a notorious local vandalism incident.

“I’ve partied with him (Track) for years,” a source disclosed. “I’ve seen him snort cocaine, snort and smoke OxyContin, drink booze and smoke weed.”

The source also divulged the girls would do anything for Track and he’d use his local celebrity status to manipulate other guys “to get them to steal things he wanted.”

“He finally did what a lot of troubled kids here do,” the source divulged. “You join the military.”

And as Gov. Palin has billed the state of Alaska for various expenses related to her children, as reported by The Washington Post, The ENQUIRER's investigation reveals that she was so incensed by 17-year-old Bristol's pregnancy that she banished her daughter from the house.

Another family friend revealed pre-prego Bristol was as much of a hard partier as Track was.

“Bristol was a huge stoner and drinker. I’ve seen her smoke pot and get drunk and make out with so many guys. All the guys would brag that the just made out with Bristol.”

When Sarah found out the teen was pregnant by high schooler Levi Johnston, she was actually banished from the house. As part of the cover-up, Palin quickly transferred Bristol to another high school and made her move in with Sarah’s sister Heather 25 miles away!

And the ENQUIRER also learned that Levi Johnston, the baby mamma’s future wedded dada, who was glad handed by John McCain at the GOP Convention, isn’t too happy about his impending shotgun nups either.

“Levi got dragged out of the house to go to Minnesota,” Levi’s friend told The ENQUIRER. “Levi realizes he’s stuck being with Bristol because her mom is running for Vice President.”

The friend also confided that both Bristol and Levi “broke up a few times and they definitely messed around with other people.”

Meanwhile, as members of the Palin family’s war viciously over “Trooper-Gate” and claims of Sarah’s extramarital affair have turned the political race into a chaotic arena of threats, denials and vicious attacks by political black ops, The ENQUIRER has discovered shocking new details about the red-hot affair scandal!

For the full story of the secrets Sarah Palin is trying to hide – pick up the new ENQUIRER!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Miss Hogynist, you really think a beer-swilling C student deserves $12,000 a year for two months summer work picking up trash? Our soldiers work 24/7, under fire, at 140 degrees, for $20,000.

$40 an hour jobs must be great for unskilled "deep thinkers" who "community organize" and "mentor" folks.

Get real. Obama is a spoiled little rich kid. Who spent his summers smoking crack.

Posted by: Spoiled Kids | September 15, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

PJ45 wrote, "I for one hope that your retirement years are very, very few. Heck, avoid the rush and check out now"

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You Obama supporters have such respect for the elderly. Maybe you can be in charge of placing us in concentration camps, much like the Nazis during WWII. My family usually lives beyond 95. You may end up in a six foot hole in the ground long before I'm dead and buried. Please consider me in your will.

Posted by: Dodgers1 | September 15, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

If you're like me you're feeling more than a little bit shaky about our economy after the Dow's 500+ plunge today. The only thing that makes me feel shakier is Obama's plan to give tax cuts to people not contributing to our economy and taxing those who are. Raising taxes on small business owners and corporations is just what the economy DOESN'T need. Check out what McCain said on September 13th in Florida:

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Wall Street turmoil underscores the need to overhaul "the outdated and ineffective patchwork quilt of regulatory oversight in Washington," Republican presidential contender John McCain said Monday.
In a statement issued in advance of market openings, the Arizona senator said he agreed there should be no taxpayer-financed bailout of Lehman Brothers even as the investment banking giant faced the specter of liquidation. Meanwhile, Merrill Lynch was selling itself to Bank of America for less than half of the iconic brokerage firm's recent value.

"It is essential for us to make sure that the U.S. remains the pre-eminent financial market of the world. This will be a highest priority of my administration. In order to do this, major reform must be made in Washington and on Wall Street," McCain said in his statement.

He added: "The McCain-Palin administration will replace the outdated and ineffective patchwork quilt of regulatory oversight in Washington and bring transparency and accountability to Wall Street. We will rebuild confidence in our markets and restore our leadership in the financial world."

Posted by: MobileMouth | September 15, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

KMichaels wrote:


- Bin Laden Counting on dem support all the way.

1- The first American supporting Bin Laden was the great repub. RONALD REAGAN! In Afghanistan 1981-85

-We are not bankrupt or any where near it. Bankruptsy laws have been in effect for since the beginning of our nation. Why? Because individuals and or companies do happen to go bankrupt, usually do to bad handling of their resources, money, etc.

2-LIKE Freddy & Fannie you mean? or ENRON?
All of them great supporters of W?
And you say US is so full of cash it just can start another war? Thats just MORONIC!


- Dems supporting the USA into going into the last two wars might mean something.

3- Did Obama supported the going into Irak? You are just another Mc Liar! aren't you?

-Maybe, maybe not. As history proves, you can never quite predict the next war .....

4-I CAN! The next is Iran! and it is not even for the Oil!

-As opposed to 100 more years of the same failed dem policies? Yeah, right.

5- ha ha ha ha ha ha ha -- the same failed dem policies ..?? you stole that from Barack didn't you? I tell you one word about failure: BUSH!


-Wishful thinking on your part, loser.

6- NO I don't wish anything bad happening to US like you moron repubs do! Every one knows repubs been wishing for another terror attack just to win the election!

7- And you forgot to comment number 7: God help us all! And I say it again: God help us all and help US of A for coping with idiot like you!

Posted by: Bosse | September 15, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Dodgers1 wrote
"To all you young, employed Obama supporters who will be working until you're at least 70 or more, I want to thank you, in advance, for paying exorbitant taxes to fund my early retirement. Go Obama!"

I for one hope that your retirement years are very, very few. Heck, avoid the rush and check out now.

Posted by: PJ45 | September 15, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Obama lovers demand that the US government do the thinking for them.

Obama lovers stood in line to sign up for interest-only variable rate loans.

Obama lovers demanded more easy access to mortgage money.

Obama lovers over-extended their personal finances.

Obama lovers now demand that somebody pay for their own personal mistakes. Heads must roll, of course somebody elses.

Posted by: KMichaels | September 15, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Hogynist wrote, "Dodgers1, this intergenerational transfer from the young to the old has been going on for a long time in the USA. It predates Bill Clinton, for crying out loud.

We are, after all, the world's great democracy. Old people get to rob the cradle because infants can't vote, and women get legal abortion because unborn children most surely can't vote, while women certainly can.

I cast about for alternatives to democracy, and my gaze falls on bonnie Prince Charles.

I carefully consider my options, and support Obama/Biden '08.

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I hope that your cradle is the first I rob.
Can't wait to visit Hawaii and think about how much you're going to pay my early retirement (and I mean early as in 56) if Obama gets elected. Have fun working until you're over 70 paying all those payroll taxes.

Posted by: Dodgers1 | September 15, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Problem happened not because of regulations or the lack of regulations but by unwise risks taken by two sides.

Side one, bankers, hoping to cash in on housing boom, were trying to write as many loans as they could. They make a fortune on fees and foresee a huge profit in selling the loans to others.

Side two, Americans willing to run up yet even more bills, only this time with extremely risky variable rate interest only loans.

Interest-only variable loans were practically guaranteed to cost more than expected and run up higher bills than expected. Expected fail rate was very high. Actual fail rate met expectations.

The public demanded more easy loans and the bankers, seeing a profit making opportunity, supplied the demands of the buyers. Leftist politicians demanded more easy loans for poorer people. They thought they could have their cake and eat it too.

Bankers lost because they could not get the expected return on their loans and the buyers that used variable interest-only loans were forced to face reality square in the face. Big houses that they realized they could not afford. Those expected raises that they were counting on were only a pipedream.

Posted by: KMichaels | September 15, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

The haves and the have-nots: Obama the millionaire and his destitute extended family:

http://www.helpobamasbrother.org/


Obama is only generous with YOUR money. What a hypocrite!!!

Posted by: Dave | September 15, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Bosse wrote:

1-Bin Ladens plan from the day one:defeat US!

Counting on dem support all the way.

2-How? Terror attacks? Talk? NOPE!
3-How? BANKRUPTSY!

We are not bankrupt or any where near it. Bankruptsy laws have been in effect for since the beginning of our nation. Why? Because individuals and or companies do happen to go bankrupt, usually do to bad handling of their resources, money, etc.

4-Wars! Two wars already going on in 5-7 years!

Yes, first time the US ever saw a war, hardy har har. Wars happen. Dems supporting the USA into going into the last two wars might mean something.

5-The 3rd war on its way. Just today US gave 1000 bunker-busters to Israel to go to war with Iran.

Maybe, maybe not. As history proves, you can never quite predict the next war but you can predict that there will be a next one, then a next one, then a next one.

6- 8 more years of the same with McCain and then Palin

As opposed to 100 more years of the same failed dem policies? Yeah, right.

7 = And it is over.US collapses! The terrorist wins

Wishful thinking on your part, loser.

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Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Dodgers1 wrote, "To all you young, employed Obama supporters who will be working until you're at least 70 or more, I want to thank you, in advance, for paying exorbitant taxes to fund my early retirement."

Dodgers1, this intergenerational transfer from the young to the old has been going on for a long time in the USA. It predates Bill Clinton, for crying out loud.

We are, after all, the world's great democracy. Old people get to rob the cradle because infants can't vote, and women get legal abortion because unborn children most surely can't vote, while women certainly can.

I cast about for alternatives to democracy, and my gaze falls on bonnie Prince Charles.

I carefully consider my options, and support Obama/Biden '08.

Posted by: Miss Hogynist | September 15, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Jerry Rubin wrote:

"McCain was one of the "Keating Five," congressmen investigated on ethics charges for strenuously helping convicted racketeer Charles Keating after he gave them large campaign contributions and vacation trips."

Now for tiny details that coward Jerry left out.

1) 4 of the Keating five were DEMOCRATS.
2) After a lengthy investigation ...
3) McCain and 1 democrat were cleared of any wrong doing.
4) 3 of the 4 democrats were NOT CLEARED of wrong doing. Meaning they were deemed to have been involved in illegal and or unethical practices.

Now, like most Obama supporters, they use this story to make McCain look bad, when he was cleared, and ignore the fact that 4 out of the 5 of Keating five were DEMOCRATS.

Posted by: KMichaels | September 15, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

1-Bin Ladens plan from the day one:defeat US!
2-How? Terror attacks? Talk? NOPE!
3-How? BANKRUPTSY!
4-Wars! Two wars already going on in 5-7 years!
5-The 3rd war on its way. Just today US gave 1000 bunker-busters to Israel to go to war with Iran.
6- 8 more years of the same with McCain and then Palin = And it is over.US collapses! The terrorist wins.
7- GOD HELP US ALL!

Posted by: Bosse | September 15, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of economic crises, Obama says that we should be "our brother's keeper." However, his OWN brother is living in dire poverty in some hellhole in Kenya. I wonder if Barrack could spare some change from his millions in book royalties (books about himself) to help out his brother. What a hypocrite!! Please donate to the charity fund established for Obama's brother (see link below). By the way, Obama's brother said that Barrack is "a good Muslim."

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/washington-whispers/2008/9/10/help-for-obamas-shack-living-brother.html

Posted by: Dave | September 15, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Founding Member of the Keating Five

Back in the old days, defendants in famous trials got numbers -- the Chicago Eight, the Gang of Four, the Dave Clark Five, the Daytona 500. McCain was one of the "Keating Five," congressmen investigated on ethics charges for strenuously helping convicted racketeer Charles Keating after he gave them large campaign contributions and vacation trips.

Charles Keating was convicted of racketeering and fraud in both state and federal court after his Lincoln Savings & Loan collapsed, costing the taxpayers $3.4 billion. His convictions were overturned on technicalities; for example, the federal conviction was overturned because jurors had heard about his state conviction, and his state charges because Judge Lance Ito (yes, that judge) screwed up jury instructions. Neither court cleared him, and he faces new trials in both courts.)

Though he was not convicted of anything, McCain intervened on behalf of Charles Keating after Keating gave McCain at least $112,00 in contributions. In the mid-1980s, McCain made at least 9 trips on Keating's airplanes, and 3 of those were to Keating's luxurious retreat in the Bahamas. McCain's wife and father-in-law also were the largest investors (at $350,000) in a Keating shopping center; the Phoenix New Times called it a "sweetheart deal."

Mafia ties:

In 1995, McCain sent birthday regards, and regrets for not attending, to Joseph "Joe Bananas" Bonano, the head of the New York Bonano crime family, who had retired to Arizona. Another politician to send regrets was Governor Fife Symington, who has since been kicked out of office and convicted of 7 felonies relating to fraud and extortion.

Adulterer

For a guy campaigning on family values, John McCain has broken up a lot of marriages. When he met his first wife (a swimsuit model), she was married to another man. After breaking that marriage up, she stuck by him loyally as he went off to war and was a prisoner for 5 and a half years. When he returned to America, though, he found out that she had been in a car wreck and wasn't as pretty. So he had a series of affairs, by his own admission, and dumped his wife and adopted family for a younger, very rich blond (now Cindy McCain.) Cindy, the daughter of a wealthy Budweiser beer distributor, was addicted to prescription narcotics and even stole hard drugs from a medical charity that she ran. In February, 2008, the New York Times ran a big article about the unusually close relationship between John McCain and a young telecommunications lobbyist named Vicki Iseman (who looks uncannily like Cindy McCain did when SHE was 25). They became so close that his staff, convinced they were having an affair, confronted both McCain and Iseman, telling them to back off. Now, a lot of people have criticized the Times for hinting without actually saying that McCain had sexual relations with that woman. But really, it doesn't matter. It's a matter of record that he accepted money and favors from her, spent a lot of time for her, and did favors for her clients. Among other things, McCain wrote two letters -- from a draft provided by Vicki Iseman -- to the head of the Federal Communications Commission -- which was way out of line, since McCain headed the Senate Commmerce Committee, which controls the FCC. McCain's pressure was so outrageous that, even though McCain was in charge of funding his commission, the FCC commissioner wrote a letter back rebuking him for his interference, at the height of McCain's "ethics in government" campaign.

So, was McCain sleeping with her, hoping to sleep with her, or being subconsciously manipulated by a cute young woman? It doesn't really matter. He was being led by his groin into ethical violations. Let's face it, he was 64 at the time and is 72 now. Whether he is still cheating or not, he seems to be led by his dick; witness the videos of McCain checking out Sarah Palin's butt during the speech where he introduced her.

Posted by: jerry rubin | September 15, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

There's a part of me that can't wait for Obama to get elected. Since there will have to be an increase in payroll taxes for Social Security, Medicare, universal healthcare, all those employed will have to pay much more. I won't have to pay a dime since I will be retired in a few years. I'll be living in a house that I own outright, while the rest of you pay $8 or more for gas, pay your high rent, and ever increasing payroll taxes. In addition, Obama wants to eliminate Federal income taxes for seniors who make less than $50,000 a year.

To all you young, employed Obama supporters who will be working until you're at least 70 or more, I want to thank you, in advance, for paying exorbitant taxes to fund my early retirement. Go Obama!

Posted by: Dodgers1 | September 15, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

kmichaels, what part of this don't you understand? :

"If you keep spending your wealth, and have no revenue stream to replace it, you will eventually be bankrupted. And if you're a nation, and your name is United States of America, the first signs of national bankruptcy will show up on Wall Street."

Posted by: Miss Hogynist | September 15, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

How is it that McCain is not at least partially blamed for this mess? his top economic advsier WROTE the bill to deregulate this industry and is the vice chairman of UBS who is about to write off 3 to 5 billion (we're talking about Phil Gramm). This is the CONSERVATIVE IDEOLOGY... that Regulation is BAD... so there's no analysis needed. One ideology says regulatoin is bad, the other says regulation (reasonable) is good.

Posted by: David | September 15, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

"Bill Burton, a spokesman for the Obama campaign, reiterated that sentiment in a statement release this morning. "John McCain buys into the same failed economic theory that landed us in this mess in the first place, and we can't afford to take a chance on his disturbingly out-of-touch policies at a time when our economy is in crisis," Burton said."

For fun and shame, let's analyze the Obama statement that he spewed today. (see above)

1) John McCain buys into the same failed economic theory that landed us in this mess in the first place

What failed theory would that be? That of business risk taking? Without taking some risk every business would fail. Now that would be a real crisis. It was not politician policies that caused this problem but unwise business practices during the housing boom. Not a damned dem Senator, not Obama, not any of these sudden economic geniuses had pointed out that loose lending procedures in the past would lead to losing money in the event the housing market boom ceased.

There were no regulations removed nor new ones introduced that allowed or forced the banks to change their lending policy.

They changed it because they determined that it was a good business risk. Their business bet turned out to be wrong and now they pay the penalty.

And Americans did what during this time? Those that did not have enough money ran out and over-extended themselves financially, thinking that they could pay off no interest loans either by magic or by that next raise that they were sure they would get.

So, bankers blew it, American buyers blew it, and now we must blame the government for all the mistakes that the bankers and the millions of American buyers made.

I know this is how leftists work. They shoot themselves in the foot then b-tch about who is going to pay the medical expenses.

They take illogical financial risks then figure out who, other than their own guilty self, they should blame.

Yes, McCain is right. Our economy is basically sound. For all the idiots that over-extended there are plenty that did not. For all the morons that jumped onto no-interest loans there were plenty that chose to go the logical 30 year fixed rate route.

The dem ilk are the first to make personally bad decisions then find somebody else to blame.

Posted by: KMichaels | September 15, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Diane72 wrote (shamefully): "I am positive that when Obama loses in November the black will riot, loot, and kill. They can't seem to lose gracefully and deal with their own shortcomings."

Diane, unlike you, I'm not *positive* about anything in the future. I'm hopeful, though. I'm hopeful that even if Obama loses, he will have shown non-white Americans that USA politics is opening up. Surely there would be bitterness - but not the bitterness of 1968. 1

Randall Kennedy spoke to this exact issue today at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/12/AR2008091202414.html?hpid=opinionsbox1 or, if you like little links, http://tinyurl.com/5ea9cf.

He addressed it better than I ever could.

Posted by: Miss Hogynist | September 15, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

in my last post, i erred in saying Obama was not mentioned in the CRS report describing the law in question. He was mentioned, IN THE LAST PARAGRAPH OF THE REPORT!

"Finally, the new law may direct attention to increased transparency on the
revenue side of federal fiscal operations. In the Senate report accompanying S. 2590,
the additional views of Senators Coburn and Lautenburg included the statement that,
“Transparency in government decision-making should not be limited to simply
spending; it should be extended...to the tax code.” This sentiment was echoed by
Senator Obama, who said during floor debate on the bill that “greater transparency
of targeted tax benefits” was another step in improving government accountability
and performance.56 Given this objective, legislation seeking to increase transparency
in the tax code may be supported by some of the same government officials and
advocacy groups that supported S. 2590."

Posted by: peter | September 15, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

hey Dianne72

i hope the first person they come for is you.
you deserve a burning tire around your neck for all the disgusting racist s**t you post around here.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

the AP had a story this evening reported on yahoo website. it quoted Gov Palin as follows:

"I've got another idea that I think Senator McCain likes. In Alaska, we took the state checkbook and put it online, so everyone can see where their money goes. We're going to bring that kind of openness to Washington," she said.

it continues:
In fact, there already is a searchable database that allows the public to track federal grants and contracts, and Obama was a principle force behind the 2006 law that created it, along with Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla.


and continues: The Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act is one of Obama's few legislative accomplishments in his short Senate tenure.

FACT CHECK FOR THE AP'S FACT CHECK. According to the Congressional Research Service report (yes, the one Obama uses)for Oct 6, 2006:

S. 2590 (the law in questions) received extensive bipartisan support at each stage of the legislative
process. In the Senate, the bill was introduced with bipartisan sponsors, voted
unanimously out of committee, and passed by unanimous consent. The legislation
was ultimately cosponsored by 47 Senators, including Majority Leader Bill Frist and
Minority Leader Harry Reid. In the House, S. 2590 was passed by voice vote under
suspension of the rules, with members of both parties speaking in support of the
Senate bill and none speaking against it."

In a nutshell: this was a bill NO ONE opposed, and Obama's vote made NO DIFFERENCE IN WHETHER IT PASSED. Obama was NOT a "principle force" behind it. HE is not mentioned in the CRS report describing the law.

Obama has NEVER stood up to anyone powerful to defend his principles. and he will never stand up to anyone to defend us.

The AP is LYING because it is biased.


Posted by: peter | September 15, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Obama's criticism of McCain and the economy is absurb. Please, someone, name me one single bill sponsered by Obama to better the economy. Obama has been running for President since he was elected to the Senate 3 1/2 years ago.

Posted by: Dodgers1 | September 15, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

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McCain is the right man to lead this nation out of the economic mess which in great part is the Clinton administration's fault 100% - McCain wants to slam the lobbyists which is great for the economy.


In sharp contrast Obama has no business or economic experience except for buying cocaine.


Seriously why go with an inexperience and untested person who can not even handle the Sarah Palin pick without panic and making mistakes - McCain is the steady hand with the right instincts.


McCain is battle tested.


Compared to being in a Vietnamese prison camp, this economic situation is a walk in the park - in fact it's a walk in the park on a sunny day. McCain knows who the brightest and best advisors are to go to in order to formulate economic strategies which will get the economy humming again.

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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | September 15, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

"McCain knows who the brightest and best advisors are to go to in order to formulate economic strategies which will get the economy humming again."

like Phil "Nation of Whiners" Gramm? One of the architects of the current crisis?

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Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Read this eye opener on Palin from her own state:
http://www.thealders.net/blogs/

Posted by: grdn_nell | September 15, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Peter wrote:

"Today in the WSJ was a description of Obama's economic plans for the nation!

"they include a $4000 grant to college students who do 100 hours of 'public service'.

"Wow, thats $40 per hour! $40 per hour for approved projects that meet the approved criteria!"

Peter, it's good to meet another American who can multiply and divide - this is an increasingly rare event.

Now let me ask you, have you seen college tuition rates lately? Not to mention room and board?

At the University of Pittsburgh - a "state-related" institution, full undergrad tuition alone is $12,832 per year. This of course ignores the cost of fees, books, shelter, food, and transportation.

In any case, if Obama's plan is as you describe it, a person could pay their year's tuition bill at this state-supported institution by doing full-time public service for 8 weeks a year (do the math ;) Then he or she would have to come up with the dough for books and etc.

I don't think that's an outrageously generous plan. In fact, it might weed out a lot of unmotivated C minus types who are taking up space and wasting professors' time.

Posted by: Miss Hogynist | September 15, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse


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The poster at 5:08 Scott under The Fix's entry "FixCam Week in Preview" is correct - there is a distinct possibility that Obama boke Federal law if Obama sought to negotiate a deal with the Iraqi government involving US Troops and their movements within Iraq during this summer.


Obama has got to be kidding to try something like this.


The Logan Act is a Federal law which seeks to clarify that the President and the administration is the sole representative of the United States in foreign and military affairs. Legislators can not go off and start negotiating and making deals with foreign nations - if they attempt to do that they violate Federal law.


Any Campaign should be careful to stay out of foreign policy in the year before the election -


Our national security depends on respect for this clarity - this story is OUTRAGEOUS - THE STORY IS OBAMA WANTS THE WAR TO CONTINUE FOR HIS OWN PERSONAL POLITICAL BENEFIT.


Is Obama for the war or against the war?


The truth is: Obama is against the war when he wants the anti-war votes AND he is for the war when he CALCULATES THAT CONTINUING THE WAR WILL GET HIM MORE VOTES IN NOVEMBER.


OBAMA IS AN EXTREMELY SICK MAN TO PLAY WITH THE LIVES OF OUR MILITARY MEN AND WOMEN THIS WAY.


In fact, it is more than the potential violations of the Logan Federal Act - it is TREASON to start negotiating a separate military policy when one is not the President especially when the American servicemen are risking their lives in the war zone.


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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | September 15, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

I just hope they kill you. In fact, why don't you do society a favor and just kill yourself. Just do in a way so no one has to be bothered with your stinking corpse. Maybe just go far out in the woods and shoot yourself in the head. I doubt you will be missed.
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I am positive that when Obama loses in November the black will riot, loot, and kill. They can't seem to lose gracefully and deal with their own shortcomings.

Posted by: Dianne72 | September 15, 2008 7:02 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse


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The poster at 5:08 Scott under The Fix's entry "FixCam Week in Preview" is correct - there is a distinct possibility that Obama boke Federal law if Obama sought to negotiate a deal with the Iraqi government involving US Troops and their movements within Iraq during this summer.


Obama has got to be kidding to try something like this.


The Logan Act is a Federal law which seeks to clarify that the President and the administration is the sole representative of the United States in foreign and military affairs. Legislators can not go off and start negotiating and making deals with foreign nations - if they attempt to do that they violate Federal law.


Any Campaign should be careful to stay out of foreign policy in the year before the election -


Our national security depends on respect for this clarity - this story is OUTRAGEOUS - THE STORY IS OBAMA WANTS THE WAR TO CONTINUE FOR HIS OWN PERSONAL POLITICAL BENEFIT.


Is Obama for the war or against the war?


The truth is: Obama is against the war when he wants the anti-war votes AND he is for the war when he CALCULATES THAT CONTINUING THE WAR WILL GET HIM MORE VOTES IN NOVEMBER.


OBAMA IS AN EXTREMELY SICK MAN TO PLAY WITH THE LIVES OF OUR MILITARY MEN AND WOMEN THIS WAY.


In fact, it is more than the potential violations of the Logan Federal Act - it is TREASON to start negotiating a separate military policy when one is not the President especially when the American servicemen are risking their lives in the war zone.


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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | September 15, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse


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The poster at 5:08 Scott under The Fix's entry "FixCam Week in Preview" is correct - there is a distinct possibility that Obama boke Federal law if Obama sought to negotiate a deal with the Iraqi government involving US Troops and their movements within Iraq during this summer.


Obama has got to be kidding to try something like this.


The Logan Act is a Federal law which seeks to clarify that the President and the administration is the sole representative of the United States in foreign and military affairs. Legislators can not go off and start negotiating and making deals with foreign nations - if they attempt to do that they violate Federal law.


Any Campaign should be careful to stay out of foreign policy in the year before the election -


Our national security depends on respect for this clarity - this story is OUTRAGEOUS - THE STORY IS OBAMA WANTS THE WAR TO CONTINUE FOR HIS OWN PERSONAL POLITICAL BENEFIT.


Is Obama for the war or against the war?


The truth is: Obama is against the war when he wants the anti-war votes AND he is for the war when he CALCULATES THAT CONTINUING THE WAR WILL GET HIM MORE VOTES IN NOVEMBER.


OBAMA IS AN EXTREMELY SICK MAN TO PLAY WITH THE LIVES OF OUR MILITARY MEN AND WOMEN THIS WAY.


In fact, it is more than the potential violations of the Logan Federal Act - it is TREASON to start negotiating a separate military policy when one is not the President especially when the American servicemen are risking their lives in the war zone.


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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | September 15, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse


JOHN MCCAIN, TRAITOR TO HIS COUNTRY, COLLABORATOR WITH THE ENEMY, MILITARY DISGRACE.
Ted Sampley, a Vietnam Veteran and former Green Beret, issued a CHALLENGE to John McCain "If you can show us that the information presented in our mailer is untruthful . . . we will Stand Down" This CHALLENGE was issued during an interview with INSIDE EDITION on January 17, 2008.
John, family members of Vietnam POW/MIA(s) have been waiting for more then 14 years for you to have the courage to face them eye to eye in front of the American Public - Here is your opportunity for some "STRAIGHT TALK." Stop hiding behind your fabricated "War Hero" persona. You know we can prove your collaborations with declassified government documents . . . It is time for the American people to get to know the REAL John McCain - the John McCain that the POW/MIA families witnessed during the 1991-93 US Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs .
Bring It On John! HERE IS OUR NUMBER 252-527-0442
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Activists accused McCain of stonewalling the release of POW records because they contained evidence he had collaborated with the North Vietnamese.

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McCain is the right man to lead this nation out of the economic mess which in great part is the Clinton administration's fault 100% - McCain wants to slam the lobbyists which is great for the economy.


In sharp contrast Obama has no business or economic experience except for buying cocaine.


Seriously why go with an inexperience and untested person who can not even handle the Sarah Palin pick without panic and making mistakes - McCain is the steady hand with the right instincts.


McCain is battle tested.


Compared to being in a Vietnamese prison camp, this economic situation is a walk in the park - in fact it's a walk in the park on a sunny day. McCain knows who the brightest and best advisors are to go to in order to formulate economic strategies which will get the economy humming again.


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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | September 15, 2008 7:01 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

No one can possibly be surprised that oil prices are coming down this close to an election. I predict a national average of about $3.25 by election day.

Posted by: ItshotinPHX | September 15, 2008 6:59 PM
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Your pretty optimistic to think a barrel of oil will be $3.25 by election day.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Today in the WSJ was a description of Obama's economic plans for the nation!

they include a $4000 grant to college students who do 100 hours of "public service".

Wow, thats $40 per hour! $40 per hour for approved projects that meet the approved criteria!

Posted by: Peter | September 15, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

I am positive that when Obama loses in November the black will riot, loot, and kill. They can't seem to lose gracefully and deal with their own shortcomings.

Posted by: Dianne72 | September 15, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

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McCain is the right man to lead this nation out of the economic mess which in great part is the Clinton administration's fault 100% - McCain wants to slam the lobbyists which is great for the economy.


In sharp contrast Obama has no business or economic experience except for buying cocaine.


Seriously why go with an inexperience and untested person who can not even handle the Sarah Palin pick without panic and making mistakes - McCain is the steady hand with the right instincts.


McCain is battle tested.


Compared to being in a Vietnamese prison camp, this economic situation is a walk in the park - in fact it's a walk in the park on a sunny day. McCain knows who the brightest and best advisors are to go to in order to formulate economic strategies which will get the economy humming again.


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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | September 15, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

No one can possibly be surprised that oil prices are coming down this close to an election. I predict a national average of about $3.25 by election day.

Posted by: ItshotinPHX | September 15, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

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Unable once again to score a knockout, Sen. Barack Obama is likely to make his new negative tone even more negative -- with a sharp eye on trying to end the Democratic presidential nomination fight after the May 6 primaries in Indiana and North Carolina.
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by viswa_dh Member since: April 21, 2008 Total points: 36 (Level 1) not really. majority may decide even for hillary be the nominee of democrats. The basic problems are in other issues related with nominations All three major candidates john mcCain (gop), hillary clinton (democrat) barack hussain obama (democrat) have been alleged with felony violations. a gop candidate and hopeful the rev dr kamal karna k roy aka ans was born as joseph geronimo jr, bon in guam of u s citizens parents , who turned orphan due to killing of parents in british india due to racial riot,turned full orphan once again an an adult us born citizen as an ordained clergy on vow of poverty (IRS rule), thus a member of have_nots in usa, a member of weaker communities , as u s born, poor, a member of disadvantaged people in usa who together is 25% of population of 300 millions of citizens in usa, he made claim to his electibility as a very highly qualified clergy, an mba from suny maritime college , ntc 1774 id #578804399 and other foreign qualifications vix doctorates (2) . ll. B )law); as well as adv diploma in public admn, 1973, id 578804399 (usda graduate school, washington dc; dr roy went to 46+ usd courts of federal jurisdictions to allege that u s presidential race 2008 was a corrupt episode like dog_fight of privileged dogs, no simple dog may not participate in race as per rights. the defendants included u s a govt, u s american human_animals' coceived and custom god/s and religion, us news media were involved in corruptions due to negligence towards implementation of campaign laws or violations of laws including fact that u s media behaved like god_father to auction the leadership to a favored nominee. The race was alleged to be a farce. kamal demanded the u s presidential election process be declared void and election be suspended as inequitably the weaker communities based candidates were even named as candidates in media as such kamal roy raised about five millions of u s dollars falling short of hundreds of millions by so called major candidates as of gop and democrats. he spent all money in outsouced campaigning and nearly his committee of campaign was broke. But kamal roy would survive race until district courts settle issues or circuits courts oa appeals decie fate of action or the matter be resoled in the supre court of u s , wshington. But us may not remain without a us president, as prayer was made that court may suggest us house of representatives, washington dc appoint one interim u s president w e f 1. 20 .2009 with consent of u s sena anmd current incumbent u s president hon'ble g w bush. :
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Posted by: THE REV DR KAMAL KARNA ROY , A GOP POLITICIAN | September 15, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

All Obaby can do is attempt to assign blame to Bush and/or McCain. That's what Americans have come to expect from Obaby. They don't expect him to have any credible plan or a way to implement one. All he can offer is empty words. Barry is fooling a smaller amount of voters daily as reflected in his falling poll numbers. You can only BS and try to assign blame to the Bush administration for so long. Americans know what the last 8 years were about. They want to hear concrete plans about the future and not more esoteric BS from Barry.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

All my monies tied up in coins, pennies, dimes, quarters and nickles. Clearly, bush did this to a baseball team, an oil company and now the US. He and cheney should be thrown in jail and held in comtempt -in purpetuity, along with any religious nut republican and democrat. Until leaders, just like parents, are held responsible, it will go on -the raping of citizens.

Posted by: Tom | September 15, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Picture it, Trinity Church 2006. Michelle Shiniqua Obama is speaking from the pulpit. Her prominent nostrils are flared, brow furrowed, and a scowl across her face. With all the inner-ghetto she can muster, Michelle Shaniqua is ranting against "whitey" and how they keep "raising the bar". All the while punching the air with a fist-bump. This my friends is what we will see in October when they release her "whitey-gate" tapes on YouTube.

How immature have we become?

Actually since the current administration has done nothing for the poor and the majority of the poor is black I would say that in some point in time that perhaps anger would be appropriate. If she truly said those things well so be it. She is pissed and probably has every right. Till you walk in their shoes.... But she should probably not single out Whites as the problem just the crappy party that feels that they do not have to help anyone.

Oh the Republican party of today is not the true party. Just a bunch of people that have lost their way. I have seen people who call themselves republicans and Christians who have turned their heads when someone needs help to many times. I will not help people in need Dammit but I go to church so its okay. Yeah I can see if Jesus had said that do you think we would worship him the way you do now. I think not.

Just something to stew on. WWJD

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

McCain and his cronies like Sen. Phil Gramm who's Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act is at least partially for the mortgage and investment banking meltdown. These are the people he has said himself he would rely on for economic advice. These are his friends, these are the guys who need reforming!!! McCain is not going to change his good friends.

NOTE Gramm received $1,000,914 in campaign contributions from the Securities & Investment industry.[6]

Later, as lobbyist for Swiss bank UBS, Gramm pressured congress ease it's restrictions on predatory lending tactics by mortgage brokers. For his efforts, Gramm received $750,000 from UBS in a one year period starting in 2007

Gramm also was involved in the Enron meltdown. The "Enron loophole" exempts most over-the-counter energy trades and trading on electronic energy commodity markets from government regulation. The "loophole" is so-called as it was drafted by Enron Corporation lobbyists working with U.S. Senator Phil Gramm to create a deregulated market for their experimental "Enron On-line" initiative.

Posted by: rcc_2000 | September 15, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

The 1999 deregulation bill was named after its sponsors: Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act.

All three of those are republicans. It passed the Senate on a party line vote.

The Republicans demanded deregulation and threw a lot of time and energy at the issue. Finally Clinton conceded, and worked out a deal to give it to them. So yes, technically you have Clinton involved, and a few Dem congressmen as well. But Republicans were clearly the driving force behind it.

It's a heck of a thing to blame someone else for giving you what you demanded to have. Way to step up and claim your actions! Way to stand behind your beliefs!

Posted by: drossless | September 15, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Repeat of the 80's when Russia bankrupt themselves after invading Afghanistan.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Hello there, The Fix: There is a chasm between Obama and McCain's economic plans. Generally McCain will use the trickle down you are on your own plan, exception Iraq, and favor the wealthiest. Obama will use the might of USG and level out the playing field for everyones benefit. McCain a liberal nutcase sending billions to Iraq, meanwhile back in the good old USA, more trickle down and you are on your own plans by the Republicans. Yes I meant nutcase liberal in referring to Mccain.

Posted by: Mahan | September 15, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

"Banking deregulation occurred on Clinton's watch. He signed the bill into law."

So by your logic then 9/11 happened on GW's watch

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Wow, I knew it was going to be bad when GW was elected but I had no idea it was going to be THIS bad, he could not have screwed the country on every front any worse!

He's exceeded all of my expectations.

Political heads should roll.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

You know what I think?

I think we as Americans should put BOTH OF THEIR butts on the hot seat and demand some solutions

And I don't mean some wishy-washy hollow rhetoric that we need to "clean up Wall Street"

Or blame whoever is responsible

We need answers and quick, show me you've got a plan.

I already know McCain is out-of-touch, no doubt about it, so Obama, SHOW me you are "in-touch"

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Norm wrote:

"Miss Hogynist:

"There's a reason why I blame BOTH parties for the mess we're in. I don't see the republicans any different than the Democrats, they're all worshiping at the shrine of bigger government and more spending."

I don't see much daylight between the two parties myself. However, I'm inclined to be irritated by the fact that they're both worshipping at the shrine of bigger corporate profits and, even more annoyingly, bigger robber baron wages for the captains of industry and Wall Street lackeys who pilot these ships into the depths of a financial marianas trench.

I don't have a problem with government spending in a maturing economy. If you scan the globe, government spending tends to rise with standard of living.

We, in the USA, seem to have the worst of both worlds. In half of this country it's virtually impossible for workers in a chicken processing plant to join a union, but it's eminently possible for them to be taxed to bail out hedge fund managers.

In all of this country, it's increasingly the case that people who work hard 40 or more hours a week for a wage that forces them to live paycheck to paycheck, health care insurance is an unimaginable luxury.

(And let's not forget all the people who work hard 35 hours a week for companies - certain grocery chains come to mind - which don't hire *anyone* full time because they don't intend to pay benefits to anyone.)

Perhaps, Norm, we must agree to disagree.

Posted by: Miss Hogynist | September 15, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

jleh

Yeah. Right.

Posted by: viejo1 | September 15, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

This is all because of the Beijing Olympics. Consumption surged, then stopped.

Posted by: viejo1 | September 15, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

McCain thinks everything is just fine. Palin can't stop smirking.

How do ya THINK their gonna "cope" with our plummeting economy if elected?

If these two can actually spin and lie themselves into office, we are skrewed!

Posted by: Donny | September 15, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

It is amusing to read some comments here that "it's all Obama's fault"! That is really funny. First he did not do ANYTHING, now he is responsible for EVERYTHING....You people got to get your story straight.
I got this email from a friend today:

"You will be happy to know... I am in S.A. for my dad's birthday and we were
> watching them interview the candidates last night about volunteerism. Dad is
> impressed with Obama, and IS VOTING FOR HIM!!!!! I said, "your softening in
> your old age" and he said, "hey... I love my country"!!!!! "

AND, this man went to the R's conventsions...

I think there are enough people out there who love this country enough to not vote for McCain/Palin even if they are Republicans.

Posted by: jaleh | September 15, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

drossless wrote:

"You're missing the point.

"1) Banking deregulation occurred on Clinton's watch. He signed the bill into law."

Ah yes, I remember how the Republicans were fighting against that bill!

But it mostly comes to me after listening to Bob Marley while smoking carrot-sized joints.

Posted by: Miss Hogynist | September 15, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse


***BOMBSHELL***

WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.

According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.


http://www.nypost.com/seven/09152008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/obama_tried_to_stall_gis_iraq_withdrawal_129150.htm

Posted by: Roger Anderson | September 15, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

How on earth is McCain supposed to be the one to save our crumbling economy?

He's said he knows nothing about it.

He's surrounded himself with the people who helped create our current mess.

He still seems to think the "fundamentals are strong."

He knows that he gets regular checks from the Senate, Social Security, the Navy, and his beer-heiress wife. Yes, the fundamentals are strong for him.

Please explain how he's now going to save us all. No saying "B-b-b-but Obama!" We're only talking about McCain here.

Posted by: Profiled | September 15, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

How on earth is McCain supposed to be the one to save our crumbling economy?

He's said he knows nothing about it.

He's surrounded himself with the people who helped create our current mess.

He still seems to think the "fundamentals are strong."

He knows that he gets regular checks from the Senate, Social Security, the Navy, and his beer-heiress wife. Yes, the fundamentals are strong for him.

Please explain how he's now going to save us all. No saying "B-b-b-but Obama!" We're only talking about McCain here.

Posted by: Profiled | September 15, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Miss Hogynist:

There's a reason why I blame BOTH parties for the mess we're in. I don't see the republicans any different than the Democrats, they're all worshiping at the shrine of bigger government and more spending.

Posted by: Norm | September 15, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

drossless wrote:

"Republicans are great at taking all the credit for deregulation and bragging about how it sets them apart from Democrats, and then running away from responsibility when the deregulation all blows up.

Enron, anyone?"

------------------------

You're missing the point.

1) Banking deregulation occurred on Clinton's watch. He signed the bill into law.

2) Democrats have been the biggest recipients of PAC Money from the banking industry.

3) Obama's campaign has taken big donations from the failing banks, such as Lehman and Merrill (to be fair, McCain also took some donation money from them, but much less)

4) Enron did their tricky accounting on Clinton's watch, as did WorldCom, and others. The cooking of the books took place while Clinton's team had oversight.

5) There have been signs for years of the problems at Fannie Mae. Guess who's been covering them - Senate Banking Committe chair Chris Dodd (Democrat from Connecticut)

These are simply facts.

And who's left cleaning up the mess (not running away as you suggested): the current Bush administration.

Posted by: Just the Facts | September 15, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Obama and the other liberals created this mess because they wanted to see that "lower income families were able to buy a home". We get that! What we do not get is WHY did you take in excess of $100,000 in lobby money to see this happens AND WHO did you think was going to pay their mortgage when they could not afford it? Socialist tax and spend!

We are already in debt. Now you want to spend more? LIKE TRILLIONS! And give a "tax break" to those that do NOT pay taxes and tax the heck out of the ones that do! NO THANK YOU!
NO OBAMA. Never! Period!

Posted by: NO Socialist | September 15, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Norm wrote, "Socialism and communism fails every time it's tried and miserably. Socialism and Communism is all Obama and the Democrats peddle."

You're kidding, right Norm, you big joker you?

After taxpayers have guaranteed who knows how many failing investment firms during the Bush regime, you really have the nerve to call Obama a socialist?

What we have in the USA right now is remarkably similar to the system that's evolved in the place we used to call "Red China".

Two things that are probably true, one amusing, one frightening:

1) As people and their pets get older, they look more and more alike, and

2) Nations become increasingly like their enemies.

Posted by: Miss Hogynist | September 15, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats are responsible for this.
The *HEAD of the Banking Committee is Senator Chris Dodd, a Democrat. He also accepted over $135,000 from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in lobby money, as did the following top 5 DEMOCRAT recipeints:
1) *Dodd - $133,900.
2) Kerry $111,000.
3) OBAMA - $105,849.
Yes, the same one out on the stump blaming the Republicans and saying he does not take lobby money
4) Clinton - $75,550.
5)Kanjorski - $65,500.

Thank you Democrats. With you on the watch for the American taxpayer, who needs enemies? Dodd, good job!

Posted by: Democrats to blame while in charge | September 15, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Socialism and communism fails every time it's tried and miserably. Socialism and Communism is all Obama and the Democrats peddle. That combination is a proven failure. The Democrats come into power after republicans, and again, it takes years for economic changes to start taking effect. I blame both parties for the problem because the entire federal government has been a spending spree child in a toy store. Only they're spending our money and they're spending more than they're making and all they can talk about is spending more. We need to CUT programs and spending not "reduce" the growth of spending.

And whining soccer mom... I have been worse off than you suggest and worked my way out of it in a supposedly "bad" economy you say we're in. Thank your inept legislators in the federal congress for the mess we are in with the costs of living. If they would spend on what the federal government SHOULD be handling and CUT all spending on the programs the federal government has NO business handling we wouldn't have deficits and we'd be better off. Our economy is fundamentally sound, unemployment though rising is rising slowly and is still only around 5% which is less than most all of europe and a fairly good rating for us considering it was much higher during clinton's terms. I was able to find work, work myself out of a hole and feed my family. Now I had to find work I wasn't comfortable with or didn't "want" to do, even had looked down on as beneath me, but it was that or starve. Now I can make ends meat and am set up to actually be debt free by the end of next year. In a truly bad economy that's not possible to do in a span of only 2 years.

Posted by: Norm | September 15, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

"I fail to see how Democrats can howl that this current banking crisis is purely a Republican/Bush issue . . ."

Oversight of the financial system is vested in the executive branch, i.e., the President, who supervises the SEC, Treasury Dept., etc.

Republicans are great at taking all the credit for deregulation and bragging about how it sets them apart from Democrats, and then running away from responsibility when the deregulation all blows up.

Enron, anyone?

Posted by: drossless | September 15, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

We need John McCain, sooner rather than later. Only John could convince Charles Keating to ride to the rescue by becoming Secretary of the Treasury. The nomination would be a bold move, and we all know (cough, Palin, cough cough) that McCain is willing to make the bold move.

By the way, hasn't he more or less admitted that McCain/Feingold's restrictions on the right of individuals to use their money to engage in political speech was his penance for having been so corrupt during the S&L debacle?

That's my kind of a principled career politician - he pays for his sins by frittering away my freedoms.

Posted by: Miss Hogynist | September 15, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Not so fast.

McCain was Chair of the Senate Commerce Committee with oversight responsibilities over the insurance industry. With the AIG debacle, McCain's claim that he is going to Washington to "reform" it must mean he is going to reform himself.

McCain received the most money from the insurance industry than any other member of the Committee: http://www.opensecrets.org/cmteprofiles/profiles.php?cycle=2008&cmteid=S08&cmte=SCOM&congno=110&chamber=S&indus=F09

Posted by: Bill | September 15, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Economics 101 - higher corporate taxes only flow fully to consumers in the case of a monopoly. In any market where there is competition, a portion of the higher corporate taxes must be absorbed by the corporation or that company risks losing customers to competitors who offer lower prices. The amount of the tax increase that flows through is opposite to the level of competition on the market - low competition = higher tax flow through, high competition = lower tax flow through.

Posted by: John | September 15, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Well, at least this issue isn't being politicized.

I seriously doubt that Obama or McCain can be held responsible for that scary first step off the end of the real estate bubble.

The key is Congress. And this sort of problem is what the Democrats historically have handled.

Sure, they talk too much. Sure, they have a tendency to pass overcomplicated pieces of legislation. Sure, they struggle with special interests, like the Republicans.

But hands down, they are better prepared to deal with this sort of problem.

That's because they're not handcuffed by neoconservative ideals. You're not going to hear them prattle on about the 'invisible hand' or the 'self-regulating' market. They just don't have the GOP's undying faith in the healing power of unrestrained personal greed.

When times are good (and they've been good for a long, long time) then maybe we can afford to elect Republicans because we like their tough talk on national security, or their values platform, or some such.

But when times are bad, as they were in the Thirties, and the Sixties, and as they are now -- let the Democrats have a chance.

No matter how you may feel personally about Hillary or Barack or Durbin or Pelosi or Barney Frank, they're better at this sort of thing.

Let the GOP step aside for a few years. They can use the free time to do what their good at -- planning some future war.

Posted by: samson151 | September 15, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

McCain doesn't understand what it feels like to not have the money for food, for a child's birthday, for utilities, and medical costs. It has made me so angry hearing McCain say that our economy is basically sound. IT IS NOT SOUND, Mr. McCain!

I'm an educated middle class white Catholic soccer mom, in my 40's, who shops at Walmart, and let me tell you, Mr. McCain...you are clueless about the economy! If you have had to ever worry about money, it has been so long ago, you have forgotten how it feels.

Why don't Cindy and you, get out here and rub elbows with the middle class....oops, I guess you don't call us middle class any more, do you? It appears that we have now slipped into the low class range.

I refuse to vote for McCain/Palin! My family can not take another 4 to 8 years of a clueless republican.

Posted by: One Angry Christian Oklahoman | September 15, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

McCain doesn't understand what it feels like to not have the money for food, for a child's birthday, for utilities, and medical costs. It has made me so angry hearing McCain say that our economy is basically sound. IT IS NOT SOUND, Mr. McCain!

I'm an educated middle class white Catholic soccer mom, in my 40's, who shops at Walmart, and let me tell you, Mr. McCain...you are clueless about the economy! If you have had to ever worry about money, it has been so long ago, you have forgotten how it feels.

Why don't Cindy and you, get out here and rub elbows with the middle class....oops, I guess you don't call us middle class any more, do you? It appears that we have now slipped into the low class range.

I refuse to vote for McCain/Palin! My family can not take another 4 to 8 years of a clueless republican.

Posted by: One Angry Christian Oklahoman | September 15, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Norm wrote: "I know Obama's plan doesn't work because it never has and never will. "

The economy grew faster under Democratic presients for the last 40 years. So everybody, even the rich people are better off when Democratic is in charge of the White House. Get your facts stright, Please!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

John McCain made a foolish gamble when he picked Sarah Palin to provide a cheap sugar rush to the Republican Party, and a nice trophy wife to campaign with. He looks like an idiot for not choosing Mitt Romney.

Posted by: Sylvie | September 15, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Truman said: "Mccain is just an idiot."

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

This is the kind of stuff that often drags the discourse on these blogs down.

While I plan to vote for McCain, I do not think Obama is an idiot. I simply disagree with his plan for America.

Let's try to keep this intellectual, no?

Let's leave the mudslinging to the spinmeisters and campaign strategists.

I'm more interested in talking about the issues and how each candidate intends to solve a problem.

Posted by: Voter Dude | September 15, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

In a twisted sort of way I almost hope that McCain does win this election because four more years of Bush/McCain failed policies would for all intents and purposes end the Republican Party as we know it today. They would become the 4th party gadflies that they deserve to be.

For all of you idiots in economic downtrodden states like Ohio, Pa and Michigan, you'll deserve what you get if you are actually stupid enough to vote for John McBush and Caribou Barbie..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnb2IrsU1Cg

Posted by: ex-Republican | September 15, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

I fail to see how Democrats can howl that this current banking crisis is purely a Republican/Bush issue when the banking deregulation legislation was passed under Clinton in 1999, and when Democrats on Capitol Hill get the lion's share of the lobbying money from the banking industry (fact, go check it out). Plus, it was Chris Dodd (Democrat) who kept hiding the ball about just how bad Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were doing.

Posted by: Observer | September 15, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Actually it is due to what Obama has been saying all along. If people conserve they can bring the price down themselves. That is what has happened. Mccain wanted t give a tax break that would just have encouraged more use ultimately driving the price up. Mccain doesn't even seem to have a clue about simple supply and demand. Any 10 year old could have told you how to bring the price down. Mccain is just an idiot.
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htruman wrote:

"last I checked the prices on those were on a downward trajectory. you know oil from $147/barrel to $95/barrel??"

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Gee, you mean oil prices are coming down under Bush? Wait a minute, did you say something positive about the current administration?

Obama, on the other hand, is a supporter of the ridiculous "windfall corporate profits tax" so guess where oil prices are going under his Presidency - through the roof!


Posted by: How it isn't | September 15, 2008 4:53 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

The Economy currently is due to a long time of bad legislative decisions, both sides of the two party line. Government has over spent again and again, government has given money away again and again, government has failed to balance the budget again and again. This is a problem with the legislature. Economic crunches don't come after a few years of policies, it's often a few decades in the making as a few bad decisions are not corrected and other bad decisions are made. We are in a time when many various economic factors are beginning to collide.

Energy: energy is a problem that has been stewing for almost 30 years ever since congress in a childish knee jerk reaction banned oil exploration and began bowing to the altar of environmental groups. The result, we have an outdated over stretched energy network and a 30 yr old fuel management system. This creates the basic supply/demand problem we face where any possible disruption in that supply causes price spikes.

Housing: The housing issue was started nearly 20 years ago when again the legislature, demanded housing be made more affordable to low income families. This was the early 90's, and sure enough they housing market and lendors did as asked. Now over the past almost 20 years buyers who couldn't afford their homes are not able to make payments on their homes... thus the housing crash after a phenomenal housing boom that wasn't a boom but a Government instigated bloat.

Jobs: Americans are graduating fewer hard science majors than most other industrialized nations. Major corporations are being demonized for making profits (which is what business is all about fyi). Other nations are offering tax breaks and cheap labor for businesses to locate and operate there. Anyone with an ounce of business sense will hire the best they can get and operate where it's the cheapest to operate and still produce quality products. If all of those criteria are found outside the U.S. because of taxes, regulation, and a government education system that is broken then that's where you go. It's logical, it's sensible and that's what good businessmen decide to do.

Education: The federal Government doesn't have any reason to be in the business of education. The federals involvement in education gets larger and larger and all that has produced is greater incompetence, more powerful union, larger beaurocracy, astronomical costs and more failing students.

The Governments answer both legislative and executive has been to throw a large pile of cash at the problem and it will magically disappear. It fails unsurprisingly. Obama promises more throwing money at the problem (ie socialism), promises redistribution of wealth (ie communism) and calls it change. Last I checked that combination failed... In fact it fails every time it's tried. McCain promises to not do these things but is a true politician. The question really is what will he truly do. Who knows, it could be bad it could be good.

In short this economic crunch was a long time in developing. I know Obama's plan doesn't work because it never has and never will. McCain is a big question mark. Not a very inspiring choice...

Posted by: Norm | September 15, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Karen: if you can't see the difference between Exxon itself using its PAC to contribute to McCain and rank and file employees giving $25 to Obama, "

JoeT

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Hey JoeT-

Who received the MOST CAMPAIGN DONATIONS DIRECTLY FROM FREDDY MAC AND FANNIE MAE????

1. Chris Dodd

2. Barack Obama (who was in Senate less than 3 years)!!!!

3-354. Everyone else (McCain received 1/6th of Obama's take)


WHAT A HYPOCRITE!!!

Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

I understand what the article is saying and both need to do more, but Barak Obama has been talking about the economy since the primary ... It seems that journalist try so hard to come across 'balanced' that they won't call it how they see it. Obama clearly has been talking economics more forcefully and more detailed than McCain has ever done! They barely even spoke about anything remotely economic at the Republican Convention!

Posted by: BEEEZO | September 15, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

"Karen: if you can't see the difference between Exxon itself using its PAC to contribute to McCain and rank and file employees giving $25 to Obama, "

JoeT

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Hey JoeT-

Who received the MOST CAMPAIGN DONATIONS DIRECTLY FROM FREDDY MAC AND FANNIE MAE????

1. Chris Dodd

2. Barack Obama (who was in Senate less than 3 years)!!!!

WHAT A HYPOCRITE!!!

Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

JoeT at 4:57--- Who was the Secretary for Housing and Urban Development when deregulation began under Bill Clinton?

RIGHT- Andrew Cuomo- You assumptions are faulty regarding the origins of this crisis.

Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Mark,

What school of economics did you go to? Taxes are part of the equation that corporations use to determine what to charge?

Posted by: sltiowa | September 15, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Karen: if you can't see the difference between Exxon itself using its PAC to contribute to McCain and rank and file employees giving $25 to Obama, I feel sorry for you. I doubt Fannie and Freddie sent out a memo to employees that they should join the Obama movement because he supports our agenda.

Posted by: JoeT | September 15, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Look, everyone's can be expert on economics. Those Nobel Laureates are a bunch of elitist windbags.
The economy is FUNDAMENTALLY STRONG.
So stop whining.
McCain-Palin '08
No more whining, you whining whiners.


Posted by: JakeD's shadow | September 15, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse


Monday, September 15, 2008


Did Obama Violate The Logan Act? [Jonah Goldberg]


Amir Taheri:

WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.

According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.

Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops - and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its "state of weakness and political confusion."

"However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open." Zebari says.

Though Obama claims the US presence is "illegal," he suddenly remembered that Americans troops were in Iraq within the legal framework of a UN mandate. His advice was that, rather than reach an accord with the "weakened Bush administration," Iraq should seek an extension of the UN mandate.

While in Iraq, Obama also tried to persuade the US commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a "realistic withdrawal date." They declined.
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In 1975, Senators John Sparkman and George McGovern were accused of violating the Logan Act when they traveled to Cuba and met with officials there. In considering that case, the U.S. Department of State concluded:

The clear intent of this provision [Logan Act] is to prohibit unauthorized persons from intervening in disputes between the United States and foreign governments. Nothing in section 953 [Logan Act], however, would appear to restrict members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution. In the case of Senators McGovern and Sparkman the executive branch, although it did not in any way encourage the Senators to go to Cuba , was fully informed of the nature and purpose of their visit, and had validated their passports for travel to that country. Senator McGovern’s report of his discussions with Cuban officials states: "I made it clear that I had no authority to negotiate on behalf of the United States — that I had come to listen and learn...." (Cuban Realities: May 1975, 94th Cong., 1st Sess., August 1975).

OBAMA CAME TO NEGOTIATE A POLITICALLY EXPEDIENT DELAY IN THE WITHDRAWL OF OUR TROOPS- WAS HE AFRAID THE "100 YEARS WAR" CLAIM WOULD BE CONSIDERED THE JOKE IT ALWAYS WAS?

WHAT A HYPOCRITE !!!

WELL AT LEAST HE'LL HAVE ONE MORE THING IN COMMON WITH MCGOVERN AFTER NOVEMBER!

Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

At least the Obama campaign has tried to stay focused on the economy in recent weeks while the MSM have been lamenting that he was not going negative enough to combat the McCain/Palin/Rove smear campaign. While the McCain campaign has been focusing on ridiculous issues like "celebrity," "lipstick on pigs," false accusations and condescending attacks on Obama's experience and character, the bank crisis has been deepening and the middle and lower classes are suffering more and more.

Bottomline: if you don't remember anything else that Obama has been saying lately, again to refute the republican lies, is this:

95% OF AMERICANS WILL GET A TAX CUT FROM THE OBAMA/BIDEN ADMINISTRATION.

Obama's plan does increase taxes on upper classes, but most of America does not make $250,000 or above income per year. I just read today that some union members in MI (where I live) are having trouble voting for Obama because he is [part] African-American. Huh? So, you'll not vote or vote against your own economic interests because of race? Or gender? Or social issues?

I agree that our government is broken, but when you have a candidate like McCain who is offering the same short-term fixes to pacify Americans (tax cuts that will be financed by China), drilling (that won't offer lower cost at the pumps for 10 years and doesn't help the US develop new green technologies), all you can expect is more of the same.

Americans in my grandparents' generation were willing to delay gratification to work toward the greater good. What has happened to America? It's like we're a bunch of spoiled brats.

Posted by: bethechange1 | September 15, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

news flash: it really was McCain and his buddy Gramm (in the pocket of UBS, the giant bank) who gave us the deregulation that allowed banks to give loans to folks who had no business asking for them - a pox on all their houses) - so for McCain to claim he's the one to fix it is a bit cynical.

anonymous: our tax code has always been progressive on marginal income, that's not class warfare. there will always be a debate about how progressive it should be at any given point in time, either in an absolute sense (the rates before Reagan's cuts discouraged productivity and encouraged tax avoidance) or a relative one (McCain was the one that thought the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy were irresponsible). And by the way, the Bush tax cuts were passed as temporary cuts, not permanent ones. So how is it socialism or class warfare to be in favor of letting the irresponsible temporary tax cuts expire as they were intended to? who says the rate structure today, yesterday or the day before is the appropriate one? any tinkering with the marginal rates (or anything else for that matter) redistributes income a bit. but who is to say that it isn't time for those making less than $250,000 to see a bit of tax relief right about now?

Posted by: JoeT | September 15, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

"How it was" writes:

"You may get a bigger tax return with Obama, but you'll need it to pay more for all the stuff you buy since Obama's plan results in increased taxes for companies and manufacturers by closing currently legal tax exemptions for companies.

Simple economics: Higher taxes for companies = higher prices for consumers to offset the loss."

The economics are simple, you just don't understand them. Corporations charge the prices they do to maximize profits. A tax on those profits (which is what the corp tax does) doesn't change the profit-maximizing price, it reduces the earnings that accrue to the corporation owners (i.e. stockholders). So, no, a higher corp tax does not mean higher prices for consumers.

Posted by: Mark | September 15, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

htruman wrote:

"last I checked the prices on those were on a downward trajectory. you know oil from $147/barrel to $95/barrel??"

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Gee, you mean oil prices are coming down under Bush? Wait a minute, did you say something positive about the current administration?

Obama, on the other hand, is a supporter of the ridiculous "windfall corporate profits tax" so guess where oil prices are going under his Presidency - through the roof!


Posted by: How it isn't | September 15, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

It's so funny how the lefties on this blog have stolen the "Brie and Chablis" thing, when it was originally used to describe elitist democrats, i.e., the limousine liberals of the East and West coasts.

Get your own catchy sayings, you Kool Aid drinkers!

Oh wait, I forgot. Plagiarism is part of the left wing ethos according to Biden.

Posted by: Machiavelli | September 15, 2008 4:38 PM

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hey Machiavelli, since we're on the subject why don't you guys who are not part of the "spooky" east/west coasts generate your own tax dollars cause last time i checked the folks in blue states giveth the majority in federal tax receipts while red state mooches spent the most from the budget.

how do you spell hypocrite????

Posted by: htruman | September 15, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Our economic woes aren't a Republican-induced problem, they're a greed-induced problem. If greedy investors hadn't abused markets with tricky instruments like CMOs, etc., this problem wouldnt be nearly as severe. Stop blaming this on Republicans.

shopmccain.com

Posted by: Common Sense | September 15, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

htruman wrote: "hmmmm that's funny. please explain to me how they're going to raise prices when nobody is buying anything these days."

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So, if Obama becomes President, you don't plan to buy staples such as food, clothing, gas?

Got it - good luck with that!

Posted by: How it isn't | September 15, 2008 4:20 PM

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last I checked the prices on those were on a downward trajectory. you know oil from $147/barrel to $95/barrel??

sorry but I'll take economic thinkers who know how to generate real income growth over supply side inflation fear mongers any day of the week. really who do you want running our economy -- warren buffet, bob rubin, paul volcker (speaking of inflation fighters) (all on obama's team) or carly fiorina (mccain the economic genius's counsel)?

next???

Posted by: htruman | September 15, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

These are tough times people. Cindy McCain held back at the RNC convention with her $300,000 dress. Normally she would have dropped a cool million for a Star Trek dress. Remember, the economy is fundamentally strong. SO STOP WHINING!
McCain-Palin '08
We're not whiners like the rest of you.

Posted by: JakeD's shadow | September 15, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Solve the budgetary crisis -

Tax Churches.

:-)

Posted by: toritto | September 15, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Why hasn't the subject of McCain and the Keating Five come up in this context? He was a bag man for the savings and loan industry during the last major banking crisis.

Posted by: warren007 | September 15, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

It's so funny how the lefties on this blog have stolen the "Brie and Chablis" thing, when it was originally used to describe elitist democrats, i.e., the limousine liberals of the East and West coasts.

Get your own catchy sayings, you Kool Aid drinkers!

Oh wait, I forgot. Plagiarism is part of the left wing ethos according to Biden.

Posted by: Machiavelli | September 15, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

ErinF,

What are the left wingnuts doing on this blog….hmmm let me guess the same thing…both could care less as long as they can take a pot shot at the other…I would say many on this page are part of the 6.1% unemployed. Let me ask you this who repealed the Banking Regulations in 1999…try Clinton with the help of a R congress. How is this all a R debacle. If the Banking crisis was so obvious as many wingnuts on both sides write why did congress not step in sooner. I did not see D or R listing this area as top concern in the 2006 election cycle nor have I seen D take this issue up in the most recent congress. Question: who are the investment bankers giving major campaign contribution too. You know what they say follow the trail of money and you just might get at your answer. Spare me your indignation.

Posted by: sltiowa | September 15, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Funny thing is, Obama points his finger at others about their track record, but you can't do the same to him, because he has no track record. Well, I guess you could call a "community organizer" a track record. All he does is speak into a mic. Just like all that fluffy Oprah crap.

Posted by: ooxomoxoo | September 15, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I heard Obama say one time..."if you are better off then you were 8 years ago then McCain is your man."

Well Obama, I have been following your finances over the last 8 years and you are substantially better off then you were 8 years ago...so does that mean you are going to cast your vote for McCain...or was your remarks..."just words"?

Posted by: dan | September 15, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Americans complain about offshoring while demanding rock bottom prices for everything.

Gee, I sure do love Wal Mart's prices, but I'm opposed to their labor practices and the fact that they source goods from China.

Wake up, people. If you want it dirt cheap, companies have to find a way to do it, including moving jobs to other countries to lower manufacturing costs. This is not part of some right wing scheme, but rather all part of the American greed syndrome. We want it all, we want it now, and we want it cheap!

Stop with the slogans, and do some research on how it all works.

Posted by: It's all about Me! | September 15, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/15/AR2008091500637.html?hpid=topnews

If this is fundamentally strong, I don't want to know what these chablis swilling Republicans view as fundamentally weak. Geesh!

Posted by: How it is! | September 15, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Remember how affordable staples such as food, clothing, and gas used to be prior to the GOP coming in and driving prices up, and jobs overseas so that their buddies could by more yachts, and play more golf?

The Nation remembers, and they're flocking to the voting booths this year to throw these effete fools out on the larded arses once and for all.

Posted by: How it is | September 15, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Hey Whiners.... suck it up. The economy is fundamentally strong.
McCain-Palin '08

Posted by: JakeD's shadow | September 15, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

htruman wrote: "hmmmm that's funny. please explain to me how they're going to raise prices when nobody is buying anything these days."

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So, if Obama becomes President, you don't plan to buy staples such as food, clothing, gas?

Got it - good luck with that!

Posted by: How it isn't | September 15, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Well, the dow dropped 500 points in one day, but the right wing extremists here could care less. They are too busy being a bunch of Don Quixotes fighting liberal windmills. Too busy putting party before country. Too busy being consumed by irrational hatred and hysteria. These people and the politicians they support are unfit to run this country. Such angry, ignorant children as they deserve to be put out of their misery for good politically, and that is just what is going to happen come November when the majority of Americans, tired of the Republican party's lies and failed leadership, put even more Democrats in power. Remember this, right wing extremists... when the left takes even more power in this country, it is because your failures have handed it to them. Remain stuck on stupid as you are, and you will only empower the liberals all the more. 2008 is going to be 2006 all over again, not that you care... keep playing the fiddle while your Rome is burning.

Posted by: ErrinF | September 15, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

All I know is, I had more money when Clinton was President. Then these rich, elitist GOP fools came in to town impersonating the common man, and took it all away from us; jobs, income, affordable health cure, security... you name it. 2000 was safe, secure, prosperous. 2001 wasn't, and since then it has just been more of the same. Bring in McCain, and you'll just get more of the same insecurity, and lack or middle class prosperity. Maybe that'll open up the center of my town for a Wall Mart to sweep in and replace all the good jobs with some low wage substitutes... that would be great, and would just break off more funds for these soft handed, out of touch, super wealthy Republicans to buy more yachts from overseas. The Republicans love creating jobs, just as long as those jobs are in another country so their hyper rich buddies don't have to make marginally lower profit margins by paying American workers.

Typical Republican hypocrisy; Cowboy hat + chablis = more of the same.

Posted by: Change we can believe in | September 15, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

This just in: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/15/AR2008091500637.html?hpid=topnews

The Dow has its worst drop in seven years. The funny thing is, under Bush, the Dow seems to have "the worst drop in x years" on a regular basis. These GOP sure are good at keeping money for themselves, but they don't seem to know a thing about shoring up an economy for the masses. I wonder what kind of regressive records we could continue setting under a McCain-Palin team? They'd set us all the way back to the stone age if they thought it would but them another couple luxury homes, or a marina for one of their yachts.

Posted by: How it was | September 15, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

"How it is" wrote:

"Obama is the only candidate that will see to it that I get to keep more of that $60k for myself."

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Make sure you do the math, How it is.

You may get a bigger tax return with Obama, but you'll need it to pay more for all the stuff you buy since Obama's plan results in increased taxes for companies and manufacturers by closing currently legal tax exemptions for companies.

Simple economics: Higher taxes for companies = higher prices for consumers to offset the loss

Posted by: How it isn't | September 15, 2008 3:50 PM

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hmmmm that's funny. please explain to me how they're going to raise prices when nobody is buying anything these days. me thinks that raised prices = lower market shares for these companies which they'll be loathe to pursue.

sorry, but once again your one-dimensional neo-con arguments come up flat. But hey how about that McCain?!! Boy he sure is a maverick!! You never know what kind of bs he's gonna make up next.

Posted by: htruman | September 15, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Civility is a principled behavior that should always be strived for; however, the people that would elect McCain after seeing the damage that bush and the republicans have done to this nation; the people who refuse to educate themselves on McCain's career of talking honorably while acting dishonorably time and time again; the people who would vote for an ignorant, arrogant person like Palin, after seeing what disasters have been inflicted by the ignorant, arrogant bush--these are people that inspire righteous anger rather than a benign, tolerant forbearance and yet more futile attempts to make them see the light.


Those who can overlook the hellishness that these "bushie" (now McCain) supporters have enabled over the last 8 years, and who can keep attempting to continue to have civil discourse with the close-minded are to be commended. As for me, I cannot.

Posted by: McCain = Bush's third term | September 15, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

"All I know is, I had more money when Clinton was President."

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Clinton was a lucky man. The "house of cards" that was the tech industry/stock market bubble was built during his presidency, and came crashing down under its own bloated weight as he was leaving office. Not my problem, gotta go - good luck, George!

Posted by: Slick Willy | September 15, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Larry the cable guy | September 15, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

The Council for Citizens Against Government Waste is a right wing think tank. Their idea of government waste is supporting the middle class with a strong domestic economy that creates jobs, rewards innovation, and provides security for workers in retirement. Their idea of proper use of government is to simply channel funds to their yacht riding Republican buddies, or to build more golf courses on public land for the country club effete Republican buddies to host wine tasting parties.

ROFL at these Republican death throws!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Campaign donations from private citizens who work for corporations must disclose their employer.

There are a lot of people who work on Wall Street who are fed up with the Bush years and want change. Do you want them to resign in order to support Obama?

Now would be the perfect time to elect someone who by hi own public admission, "knows very little about economics and still needs to be educated." Someone whose economic advisor called struggling Americans "a nation of whiners."

Let's elect someone who came close to last in the only intellectual effort of his life. Someone whose running mate knows even less about economics than he does and took 5 colleges and 6 years to graduate from an average college in an averagely competitive field.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

The problem is really not that complex. Both our government, and our citizens, have been financing our spending with debt. The government spends more than it brings in from taxes, and that spending has increased dramatically with the costs of war and the giant increase of the executive branch over the course of the past administration. It has encouraged the creation of mortgage vehicles to allow greedy and naive home buyers to buy homes they can't possibly afford. It has allowed our economy to be based largely on "creative" investment vehicles backed by the largely unsecured debt of these greedy and naive individuals. And now the house of cards is falling.

Any grade schooler will tell you that when you spend more than you make, eventually you won't have any money, even if you keep borrowing to cover it. We need a president who recognizes that we need to tax more, spend less, balance our budgets (at the government and at the personal levels) and take responsibility for the round of belt-tightening that needs to occur.

To me it's pretty obvious that this person is Obama, given his more aggressive tax plans and more conservative spending plans. By relying on his range of economic experts from different perspectives, he hears all the arguments, and can synthesize them for what works best for us. McCain relies on economists from one school (the same economists that Bush embraces). These are the ones who advocated the policies that created this financial mess. Had Bush (and now McCain) listened to the variety of available opposing economic views, things might never have gotten so out of hand.

Posted by: Stacy T | September 15, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

All I know is, I had more money when Clinton was President. Then these rich, elitist GOP fools came in to town impersonating the common man, and took it all away from us; jobs, income, affordable health cure, security... you name it. 2000 was safe, secure, prosperous. 2001 wasn't, and since then it has just been more of the same. Bring in McCain, and you'll just get more of the same insecurity, and lack or middle class prosperity. Maybe that'll open up the center of my town for a Wall Mart to sweep in and replace all the good jobs with some low wage substitutes... that would be great, and would just break off more funds for these soft handed, out of touch, super wealthy Republicans to buy more yachts from overseas. The Republicans love creating jobs, just as long as those jobs are in another country so their hyper rich buddies don't have to make marginally lower profit margins by paying American workers.

Typical Republican hypocrisy; Cowboy hat + chablis = more of the same.

Posted by: How it is | September 15, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

You may think that the "free market" will correct itself, but why should you care? The "free market" doesn't care about you.

One of the most stunning things about the Republican party is that it houses both "free market" practitioners and nationalists/isolationists. You want to keep American jobs in the hands of Americans, but the "free market" could care less about that.

Corporations are living, breathing beasts who have to devour everything around them to survive. They don't care about you. If they can make more money by shipping the McDonald's drive-thru window job to a phone operator in India, that's what they'll do.

An unregulated "free market" can only expand until the entire world is nothing but a pitbull fight among the biggest corporations.

Really, you put your faith in the "free market," but you're nothing but a speck on its radar.

Posted by: dognabbit | September 15, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

The Council for Citizens Against Government Waste (CCAGW) is a right wing lobby group. That's all.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Wonder if it is true that the actual candidate that bumps off mutual opponent, he wins in November regardless of issues and poll numbers?

Apparently this mutual opponent is wealthy, exposed corruption within both parties and is presently targeted.

The question is how?

Will GOP use Guiliani-like mob ties like the way his protege ex-NYPD commissioner did and may be jailed up to 140 years? Or solicit Gotti, Jr. whose conspiracy and murder trial starts tomorrow? Is infamous VP Cheney behind the orchestration of this?

Will Dems use an OJ Simpson-like, black convict with jail time? Coincidentally his kidnap and robbery charge trial starts the same time too.

Will the parties employ the popular law enforcement practice of 'sweetheart exchange deals' where convict commit crime/murder in exchange for less jail time, conveniently covered up and real culprits not publicly suspected?

Should we worry about our personal safety too as we share this information? For example, should my husband worry about physical safety during his routine of jogging after work in the Hackensack/Bogota, NJ areas at 4pm today as our habits and plans are known in advanced via bugging device devices in both private and public places?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

OH SNAP! Virginia starts it's move to Obama. If he can stablize this lead in Sept, there is no doubt that Sen. Obama will make a run for WV and NC in the east as well. Maybe a WV > Virgina > NC bus tour is order...

Getting worried McSame supporters?

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=c3b77d5f-0d1a-4f6e-b195-ae05355e8eb8

Also, nice that he draws 3000 supporters today in a stadium for 16,000. HAHA.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/15/1398610.aspx

Posted by: HKK | September 15, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

The collapse of two more large investment banks---Merrill Lynch and Lehman Brothers, coming on the heels of the Bear Stearns debacle a few months ago, clearly illustrates the folly of financial deregulation run amok. During the past quarter-century, the deregulation fervor has gone so far as to leave many lines of industry and commerce open to potential collapse.

The virtual evisceration of the Glass-Steagall Banking Act in the rush to deregulate, dismantling many of the regulatory and oversight safeguards that could have helped to prevent this type of financial crisis was an instance of the laissez-faire economic approach gone awry.

Posted by: OHIO CITIZEN | September 15, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Obama/Biden among worst Pork Barrel offenders in the Senate

Each year, The Council for Citizens Against Government Waste (CCAGW) tabulates its Congressional Ratings, evaluating how each member of Congress measures up on key tax and spending votes.

Scale: 100% Best Record --- 0% Worst Record

McCain - (2007 Score): 100%, (Lifetime Score): 88%
Obama - (2007 Score): 10%, (Lifetime Score): 18%
Biden - (2007 Score): 0%, (Lifetime Score): 22%

http://ccagw.org

Posted by: Ruth | September 15, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Well said How It Is! It so sad to see Repugnantcan supporters trying to back a cause they admit is failed... I give them credit for their loyalty and promise they will have a place in our great nation when Obama's inevitable victory is sealed. The nation understandsthe Repugnantcans have created the current crisis by providing poor oversight whilst raking in the cash for their personal bank accounts.

Just look at all the porcine, effete, chablis swigging GOP comentators on Fox News. All their guys have brought us is fiscal disaster through corporate tax cuts, and tax cuts for the wealthy while saddling the middle class with Regressive Tax policies that widen the gap between the top 1% (like McCain or Bush) and the rest of us.

If the disparity in money donated by Wall Street to political campaigns currently shows that the Democrats are receiving more donations, then this obviously proves that the Wall Street experts are fed up with Repugnantcan mismanagement, and that they understand that the Repugnantcans have grievously mismanaged the economy for eight years, and that it is time for change.

Posted by: Here! Here! | September 15, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse


Picture it, Trinity Church 2006. Michelle Shiniqua Obama is speaking from the pulpit. Her prominent nostrils are flared, brow furrowed, and a scowl across her face. With all the inner-ghetto she can muster, Michelle Shaniqua is ranting against "whitey" and how they keep "raising the bar". All the while punching the air with a fist-bump. This my friends is what we will see in October when they release her "whitey-gate" tapes on YouTube.

Posted by: Dianne72 | September 15, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

"How it is" wrote:

"Obama is the only candidate that will see to it that I get to keep more of that $60k for myself."

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Make sure you do the math, How it is.

You may get a bigger tax return with Obama, but you'll need it to pay more for all the stuff you buy since Obama's plan results in increased taxes for companies and manufacturers by closing currently legal tax exemptions for companies.

Simple economics: Higher taxes for companies = higher prices for consumers to offset the loss

Posted by: How it isn't | September 15, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse


TO: Mssrs. CHERTOFF, MUKASEY, PAULSON, GATES, McCONNELL, MUELLER


"GOV'T AGENCIES SUPPORT DOMESTIC TERRORISM"
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/government-agencies-support-domestic-torture-and-gang-stalking-says-noted-nowpublic-com-columnist


• What do you know about this, and what are you doing about it?

Posted by: scrivener | September 15, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

O'Reilly, and Hannity, and all their yuppy buddies should just go back to their chablis and bree, and let the rest of us judge the obvious for ourselves. Obama wants to lower taxes for people like me, and raise them for people like McCain who own 100 houses. In our 1 household last year, we had an income of $60k. Obama is the only candidate that will see to it that I get to keep more of that $60k for myself.

McCain wants to do the opposite, which is spend too much, and give even more tax cuts to his super rich friends while leaving the rest of us out in the cold. Again. I really need an even bigger national debt to dump my pay check into for the rest of my life. McCain, and his elitist Republican friends don't understand that if you make $100 million a year like them, that paying a lot of that back in taxes still leaves them with tens of millions of dollars. For the rest of us, we're left with just enough, and often not enough, to pay for things like food, rent, mortgages, and clothes for my kids. Fuggetabout savings, or vacations, or owning forty luxury homes like McCain, or O'Reilly, or Bush, or Murdoch do... out of touch, rich GOP pansies.

Posted by: How it is. | September 15, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

"Between this and the Health Insurance proposal, socialist agendas, we might as well send Obama to talk to Raul Castro and see how they are living in Cuba. We will be heading that way!!!"

With McCain and his new newcon friends, we would be heading to Iraq. Cubans are well off comparing to Iraqis.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

McCain himself admits his involvement in the Keating Savings and Loan Scandal was the worst thing in his entire political career. He admits to his poor judgment. We surely don't need his poor judgment calling the shots, now! His penchant for unregulated investments, outrageous profits and payoffs should certainly get voters to say, "Stay away from my money, John! We don't need your kind of money maverick non-sense!"

The Keating Five were five United States Senators accused of corruption in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the larger Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s. The five senators, Alan Cranston (D-CA), Dennis DeConcini (D-AZ), John Glenn (D-OH), John McCain (R-AZ), and Donald W. Riegle (D-MI), were accused of improperly aiding Charles H. Keating, Jr., chairman of the failed Lincoln Savings and Loan Association, which was the target of an investigation by the Federal Home Loan Bank Board (FHLBB).

The U.S. Savings and Loan crisis of the 1980s and 1990s was the failure of 747 savings and loan associations (S&Ls) in the United States. The ultimate cost of the crisis is estimated to have totaled around $160.1 billion, about $124.6 billion of which was directly paid for by the U.S. taxpayer.[1].

The concomitant slowdown in the finance industry and the real estate market may have been a contributing cause of the 1990-1991 economic recession. Between 1986 and 1991, the number of new homes constructed per year dropped from 1.8 million to 1 million, the lowest rate since World War II.[2]

The Keating Five scandal was prompted by the activities of one particular savings and loan: Lincoln Savings and Loan Association of Irvine, California. Lincoln's chairman was Charles Keating, who ultimately served five years in prison for his corrupt mismanagement of Lincoln.[3] In the four years since Keating's American Continental Corporation (ACC) had purchased Lincoln in 1984, Lincoln's assets had increased from $1.1 billion to $5.5 billion.[4] Such savings and loan associations had been deregulated in the early 1980s, allowing them to make highly risky investments with their depositors' money, a change of which Keating took advantage.[4] Lincoln's investments took the form of buying land, taking equity positions in real estate development projects, and buying high-yield junk bonds.[5]

McCain and Keating had become personal friends following their initial contacts in 1981.[8] Between 1982 and 1987, McCain had received $112,000 in political contributions from Keating and his associates.[14] In addition, McCain's wife Cindy McCain and her father Jim Hensley had invested $359,100 in a Keating shopping center in April 1986, a year before McCain met with the regulators. McCain, his family, and their baby-sitter had made nine trips at Keating's expense, sometimes aboard Keating's jet. Three of the trips were made during vacations to Keating's opulent Bahamas retreat at Cat Cay. McCain did not pay Keating (in the amount of $13,433) for some of the trips until years after they were taken, when he learned that Keating was in trouble over Lincoln.[6][15]

The core allegation of the Keating Five affair is that Keating had made contributions of about $1.3 million to various U.S. Senators, and he called on those Senators to help him resist regulators. The regulators backed off, to later disastrous consequences.

Posted by: Truth Maverick | September 15, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, Real Voter for your comments.

People really need to think for themselves and open their eyes as to how this works.

The notion that no Democrats had a hand in banking deregulation is a crock.

The Democrats were at the front of the line for the PAC money for God's sake!

Posted by: I'm Listening | September 15, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac survived scrutiny by manipulating and lobbying politicians and hiring board members who were politicos rather than mortgage gurus. They hired lobbyists, gave massive donations, obtained nice tax breaks, and sailed below the regulatory radar screen.

Of the 354 lawmakers who received money from Freddie and Fannie between 1989 and 2008, Sen. Chris Dodd received the most. But next was Barack Obama. And he was only there for 3 of those 9 years.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-trailmoney9-2008sep09,0,4818879.story

Posted by: Ruth | September 15, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

let's hear more about the moose recipe for Thanksgiving !!

Posted by: oberst | September 15, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Shame on Chris Cillazza for painting the mcCain's campaign and Obama's cmapaign with the same brush. You and your media cohort should stop pretending to be neutral as you all have lost the credibility as the guradian of the truth. Since McCain's campaign has continued its tactic of telling and retelling proven lies, presenting both sides of an arguemtn actually amounts to aiding and abiding the liers, in this case, McCain and his talking heads in the media.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

If Obama keeps talking down the economy for his own selfish interests, there will be a run on banks and people will not buy homes, invest in businesses, or hire new employees.

Posted by: Karen | September 15, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

O'Reilly, and Hannity, and all their yuppy buddies should just go back to their chablis and bree, and let the rest of us judge the obvious for ourselves. Obama wants to lower taxes for people like me, and raise them for people like McCain who own 100 houses. In our 1 household last year, we had an income of $60k. Obama is the only candidate that will see to it that I get to keep more of that $60k for myself.
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IGNORANCE is a SIN? And how do you think that he will finance it? You will be lucky to keep your clothes on your back!!! Between this and the Health Insurance proposal, socialist agendas, we might as well send Obama to talk to Raul Castro and see how they are living in Cuba. We will be heading that way!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

While there is a lot of blame to go around, this financial situation is a direct result of the subprrime mortgage meltdown. The collapse of Fannie and Freddie can be traced to loosening standards at HUD. Who has the most contributions to their campaign from Fannie, Freddie and Wall Street firms? Obama.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Friends_of_Lehman.html?showall

Obama has raised a full $395,574 from employees and PACs of the now-bankrupt Lehman brothers, second only to Hillary Clinton.

Obama's biggest donors: So much for the small contributor
Goldman Sachs $691,930 University of California $611,207 Citigroup Inc $448,599 JPMorgan Chase & Co $442,919 Harvard University $435,769 Google Inc $420,174 UBS AG $404,750 National Amusements Inc $389,140 Microsoft Corp $377,235 Lehman Brothers $370,524 Sidley Austin LLP $350,302 Moveon.org $347,463 Skadden, Arps et al $340,264 Time Warner $338,527 Wilmerhale Llp $335,398 Morgan Stanley $318,070 Latham & Watkins $297,400 Jones Day $289,476 University of Chicago $278,885 Stanford University $276,038


In addition, 2 former Fannie chairs, Jim Johnson and Franklin Raines have been advisors to Obama's campaign and are responsible for bundling millions in contributions.


In recent history, HUD Director, Cuomo (during the Clinton years) pushed Fannie and Freddie into the risky sub-prime markets - the begining of the end:
“[Andrew Cuomo] turned the Federal Housing Administration mortgage program into a sweetheart lender with sky-high loan ceilings and no money down, and he legalized what a federal judge has branded “kickbacks” to brokers that have fueled the sale of overpriced and unsupportable loans. ”
http://www.villagevoice.com/2008-08-05/news/how-andrew-cuomo-gave-birth-to-the-crisis-at-fannie-mae-and-freddie-mac/

For Obama to suggest that McCain is to blame is laughable.

Posted by: Real Voter | September 15, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Dear ErrinF

Once again getting angry. I do understand where the Dow is at. I've lost tons of money this year. I've lost money before too. But, the market will bounce back and whether it is a Democrat or Republican in the WH a free market society will correct itself. Afterall, the Pres. does not control the country. This is not a monarchy.

As for Rush, Hannity and O'Reilly ( I also listen/watch NPR and CNN )... they are fun to listen to for entertainment but to believe that I sit around and wait to be told what to do is asanine.

We do have 3 branches of Govt and thankfully the parties tend to balance each other out and the LEg branch should be nuettral ( although they do have a bias )

Posted by: Obvious Idiot | September 15, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Few show up for McCain appearance without Palin.

Enough said.

Just a matter of time.

Posted by: McRumi | September 15, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Obama is chicken little. His base got laid off at Lehmann and he is worried about his fundraising. Since America has been told the well-educated,liberals are so much smarter than anyone else, how did they get in this mess? Obama's buddies at Lehmann.


The company's average pay per employee fell slightly in 2007 as Lehman added workers at a faster rate than it increased compensation. Salary, benefits and bonuses per person dropped to an average $332,470 from $334,246 a year earlier, as the number of employees rose 10 percent to 28,556 from 25,936 a year earlier.

Posted by: Karen | September 15, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

The first poster hit the nail on the head. The Repugnantcans have created the current crisis by providing poor oversight whilst raking in the cash for the personal bank accounts. Corporate tax cuts, and tax cuts for the wealthy while saddling the middle class with Regressive Tax policies that widen the gap between the top 1% (like McCain or Bush) and the rest of us.

If the disparity in money donated by Wall Street to political campaigns currently shows that the Democrats are receiving more donations this proves that the Wall Street experts understand that the Repugnantcans have grievously mismanaged the economy for eight years, and it is time for change.

Posted by: Palinocraty | September 15, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

The day after the 1929 stock market crash, Herbert Hoover also said that "the fundamentals are sound". He kept repeating that for the next six months, as the stock market fell 50%. John McCain is just another foolish Republican blowhard bellowing platitudes.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

O'Reilly, and Hannity, and all their yuppy buddies should just go back to their chablis and bree, and let the rest of us judge the obvious for ourselves. Obama wants to lower taxes for people like me, and raise them for people like McCain who own 100 houses. In our 1 household last year, we had an income of $60k. Obama is the only candidate that will see to it that I get to keep more of that $60k for myself.

Posted by: RealDeal 2008 | September 15, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry "my friends", McCain doesn't need to know anything about economics or foreign policy or health care etc etc..


He was a POW!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcdLO3jKkPo

Posted by: agent orange | September 15, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Some test. Obama proposes a tepid "modification" of free trade while McCain wants even more. These blithering idiots need to understand what the voting public understands, free trade is a failure. We were told that free trade would result in low paying jobs being exported, allowing us to concentrate on new technologies, to raise a generation of new engineers and scientists that would create millions of new jobs. Instead, we have outsourced our best paying jobs, leaving us with the lowest paying service sector jobs, jobs with no health insurance, no benefits, and forget all about retirement. At the same time, we have allowed/encouraged U.S. corporations to wholesale terminate American engineers, scientists, Xray technologists, mathematicians, even nurses, and replace them with cheap foreign workers here on H1-B visas. I know, John McCain blathers about removing any time limits for those foreign workers and provide them with incentives to stay. That sort of misses the point. If we hadn't lost our U.S. engineers, hadn't discouraged a whole generation of college students from majoring in science or engineering, we wouldn't be in this mess. Now, however, we lack the very means to grow out of what is certain to become a DEPRESSION. There is no one left to create new technologies, they are all mostly foreign nationals. 90% of new engineering hires are freom either India or China. Even the Department of Defense hires foreign nationals to work on top secret contracts. Even the bullets made for our military come from China, as does the night vision goggles, the body armor! It's a very sick joke, right now, but JOBS and the ECONOMY and ending the diaster of globalization IS a national defense issue, it is THE national defense issue. We simply cannot afford any more free trade or any of the rest of the globalization fanatasy that has been foisted off on us. End it before it ends us! Free trade is treason and only a fool or someone bent on suicide would even consider voting for a candidate that doesn't outline concret plans for ending this nonsense.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | September 15, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Dear M Lawrence

I am glad you like to give.. get ready to give more...

Also tell Biden to give more than his $300 bucks a year to charity.... He really cares

Posted by: Donate Now | September 15, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

"you are more intelligent and better educated than everyone else in the world... who do you think you are? Obama?????"


thanks, I needed that after my sinking feeling in all those polls.

Posted by: snObama | September 15, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I have no in-depth knowledge of economy, and hence, am not able to compare two candidates for the issue. So, I am just thinking about the following: Put Obama on "trial" to see if he is really capable of handling the matter. If he proved to be "unqualified" then we will oust him.

Posted by: birdeyeview | September 15, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Hispana, nobody is saying individuals shouldn't be held accountable--that's a red herring. And screaming, "Oh my gawd, he's a socialist," is transparently hysterical.

The fact is, both Obama and McCain advocate lowering taxes; they just want different groups to benefit. Disagree with the perspective, but I'd bet that the 95% of people who benefit from Obama's smaller tax reduction would be just as grateful as the 5% of wealthy folks who benefit from McCain's larger one (and I took those numbers from the Washington Post's graphic, supplied by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Institute).

If helping the poor instead of practicing the discredited "Voodoo Economics" of trickle-down Reaganism (debunked by George H.W. Bush himself)--which has already been proved not to work for 95% of Americans--is somehow a "socialist agenda of income redistribution," where can I sign up?

Most Americans are just trying to get by, pay their bills, provide their families with insurance, and pay their taxes (unlike corporations in this country, that pay very little, and corporate CEOs, who have high-powered tax attorneys and accountants to find tax loopholes for them and shelters for their earnings).

Everybody wants fire, police, safe schools, infrastructure, disaster relief when tragedy strikes, and so on...buy no one wants to pay any taxes to make it possible. You can't have it both ways. Personally, I'd pay a little more so that everyone around me benefited a little more.

But then, I'm not a member of the GOP, and I don't play golf.

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Sorry to disagree but calling me hysterical is your red herring. Tell me how is Obama, if he really would be able to stick to this promise, would be able to finance this economic proposal after he liquidates all small businesses with his taxes? We'll take it away from some and give it to others?

What do you think will happen to our cost of living? Any little gains that you could gain will be eliminated. Most of all the FUNDAMENTAL principles of our society will be GONE...GONE....

And if you fail to see that all of this talk is nothing more than a SOCIALIST agenda, then you are either in FANTASYLAND or a loser!!!! Obama will throw this country into an economic turmoil that will place us worse than any Thirld World country!!!

No, this country has risen because of our spirit of individualism and the creativity of individuals. We have thrived because our liberties permit everyone to forge a future. And with that we have a great degree of individual accountability. Obama's socialist agenda will counter any of the ideals that cemented our country and if you don't see beyond this it is really sad.

Posted by: Hispana | September 15, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

So ErrinF ,

What type of FISH are you????
Hook line and sinker!

Posted by: McShameless | September 15, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Yes, tellthetrue.. you are so smart and dead on.... We all need to hate business. We all need to hate people who make more than $250K... Take thier money.. they don't need it.. they obviously got it by taking advantage of me.. take it from them and give it to me. That is FAIR.. that is RIGHT. I deserve it more than they do..

Most wealthy people got their money by starting and running a small business in this country. Average everyday guys with an idea and a dream. How dare they!

Posted by: ClassWarfare | September 15, 2008 3:10 PM

I see your point as well. A lot of them worked hard for their money. But I think it is a situation at least for me that if I made more I would want to help the less fortunate by paying a bit more. When you have money that just sits and a bank account and you get rich with just the interest do you think it is fair to not give? I guess I just have a simple mind perhaps. Plus I think that after 8 years of handouts to the corporate rich I think they can handle a few years of giving a little to Middle Class who have not seen raises etc for a while. Oh well I guess when all technology is outsourced and we are all working at McDonald's then maybe I can say I told you so.

Posted by: M Lawrence | September 15, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

dl:

Sure, everyone likes to point the deregulation finger at Phil Gramm, but we all know the king of deregulation and its biggest supporter is/was Alan Greenspan.

So, before you go saying this is all Bush's fault, let's not forget that Greenspan was in place during the entire Clinton administration and everyone at that time thought he was fantastic; a guru of sorts.

If you believe in deregulation, it cuts both ways, and you have to deal with the Ups and the Downs of letting the free market have its way.

Without a doubt, Americans got waaay to greedy in the last decade, and after the tech bubble/stock market burst in the early 2000s, everybody immediately begain looking for the next get rich scheme; and then they found it, Housing and real estate flipping which caused an unwarranted overheating in the market.

There are NO easy ways to get rich, folks. You have to work long and hard and be reasonable in your expectations.

Posted by: Joe Main Street | September 15, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

The article several times mentioned "ordinary Americans," and various people are quoted as saying McCain is out of touch with them. But the entire article seems out of touch with "ordinary" Americans. How many of us, on a daily basis, actually have anything to do with Freddie, Fannie, OR Lehman?

Many people had never even heard of two of these companies before this "crisis." And many millions of lives in America have not (yet) been affected by this.

"Ordinary" Americans are much more concerned about the price of gas RISING while the price of oil is going down at the same time.

Posted by: Wil | September 15, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Dear obvious idiot,

This has nothing to do with people agreeing with my views or not. It has to do with how hysterical and delusional you extreme partisans are, whether of the left or the right. In this case, I am talking about the right, because it has cultivated extremism among it's ranks thanks to the likes of Karl Rove, Rush Limbaugh, and Bill O'Reilly, to name a few. You have been so thoroughly trained to be hysterical and hateful that it is downright pathetic.

As I stated before, believing in a conservative worldview is perfectly acceptable in my eyes. What I don't care for is all the anti-liberal hysteria that goes on among the ranks of the right wing nuts. Stuff like that has little to do with politics, and has a lot to do with you being the type of people that are delusional, angry, and ignorant.

As of right now, the dow is down by around 400 points. But you right wing nuts are completely oblivious to the state of our country because all you care about is your quixotical culture war with the phantom liberal menace.

Posted by: ErrinF | September 15, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Annonymous,

I can feel for you losing a job. I think many of us have been through it. You are right that gas and food is expensive. Those cost increases always get passed along and will again. If you don't think it will, I'd like to see what your smoking cuase it has to be good.

Cost increases to compnaies are almost 100% of the time passed on to the consumer. But I am sure if Obama does it they will just eat the increase. Cause we ALL love him so.

Posted by: Obamanator | September 15, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

OH SNAP! Virgina starts it's move to Obama. If he can stablize this lead in Sept, there is no doubt that Sen. Obama will make a run for WV and NC in the east as well.

Getting worried McSame supporters?

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=c3b77d5f-0d1a-4f6e-b195-ae05355e8eb8

Also, nice that he draws 3000 supporters today in a stadium for 16,000. HAHA.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/15/1398610.aspx

Posted by: hkk | September 15, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

I am not sure if people really understand that yes it is a Democratic run Congress etc but there is not enough of an majority to be able to pass bills etc.

Posted by: M Lawrence | September 15, 2008 2:44 PM
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A lot of people understand that unfortunately the voters did not give the Democrats enough of a majority in the last election. But Obama says he will work across the aisle to get things done. But he's been in the senate since January of 2005, and I don't see evidence that he was able to convince Republicans to vote with the Democrats on important issues. But he did manage to vote with the Republicans on the FISA issue.

Posted by: Stephen | September 15, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Gotta love the right wing extremist here that keeps cutting and pasting other posts but replacing key terms from those posts with pro-Republican, anti-Democrat terms. He is just proving how childish and immature the extremists of the right wing are.

That's a child's game, after all, repeating everything that is said to you. Those are not the actions of an adult. These right wing nuts are so infantile and dimwitted. But then again, we know that only stupid people buy into a political party's propoganda hook, line, and sinker.

Posted by: ErrinF | September 15, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Not a single critical thought.
Not a single brain cell engaged.
Not a single educated, informed opinion.
Not a single original thought.
Not a single shred of analysis or logic.

And everyone is semi-literate.

For the whole world to see.

America!
The Computer Revolution!
ABC News "comments".

There's no hope for you, people.

Posted by: VMR | September 15, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Dear ErrinF,

Thanks for calling me an idiot and a lemming. You obviously assume that you are more intelligent and better educated than everyone else in the world... who do you think you are? Obama?????

I agree with earlier posts that you have some anger issues or something. How about trying to make a point instead of rip everyone who disagrees with you a new one.

Posted by: Obvious Idiot | September 15, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Obaminator? I hate to break this to you but food is already expensive. Gas is already expensive. Everything is. I would imagine by now that the big business has made enough profit now to be able to handle the slight tax increase. He also said he wants to help the small business. Raising taxes on companies that want to outsource. HELL YES. I have lost one job and perhaps another to companies that want to deal with cheaper labor. I am a programmer that is sick and tired of training my replacement. So yes I am for taxing these companies. Why should I suffer so the can pay their CEO a million more.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Stop whining like little children about Obama's sinister plans to "redistribute wealth" and usher in "socialism". The only reason anyone can even talk about that with a straight face is because Bush has given so much to the hyper-wealthy in tax cuts and political favors that just undoing those damning policies make the rich nervous. And so they use you like puppets. The proof is in the pudding though - Bush has been in 8 years and his policies are breaking America.

McCain openly supports that model, and will indeed keep and expand upon the give-more-to-the-haves policy.

So go ahead GOP goons, blab on more about pigs and lipstick and socialism and lapel pins - but when you find yourself a serf owned by a bank and the middle class finally completely disappears, don't blame it on mythical liberal beasts.

Posted by: not anonymous | September 15, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Bloomberg agrees with McCain! I'd trust Bloomberg any day over Obama on the economy.

Blomberg: "I do agree that fundamentally America has an economy that is strong," he said. "America’s great strength is its diversity, its hard work, its good financial statements, its broad capital markets,its enormous natural resources" and its work ethic, he said. "I'd rather play America's hand than any other country," he said. "Without problems? No."

Full story here: http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Bloomberg_agrees_with_McCain_Economy_fundamentallystrong.html#comments

Posted by: hj | September 15, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Yes, tellthetrue.. you are so smart and dead on.... We all need to hate business. We all need to hate people who make more than $250K... Take thier money.. they don't need it.. they obviously got it by taking advantage of me.. take it from them and give it to me. That is FAIR.. that is RIGHT. I deserve it more than they do..

Most wealthy people got their money by starting and running a small business in this country. Average everyday guys with an idea and a dream. How dare they!

Posted by: ClassWarfare | September 15, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Obamanator

yeha that is trickle down economics...

and the same argumnent they have used for 3 to 4 decades as the wealthiest top 5% of wage earners... saw their tax burden grow at only half the rate of the rest of america.

You know the ones that the IRS has even said they are only 70% accurate on ...

as opposed to the other 95% whom they say they are 99% accurate on.


Posted by: dl | September 15, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Another thing about these stupid right wing extremists: They automatically assume you are a liberal if you are annoyed by their stupidity and hysteria.

Really, why are you people so dumb that you can't understand that there are plenty in the middle that are fed up with the Republican party?

I am not a Democrat or a liberal. I am something called an individual. Ever heard of that? You see, that's what makes you idiots all the more annoying... you have had all your political views spoonfed to you in a paint-by-numbers fashion. The last thing that ever goes through your pathetic minds is an individual, independent thought. Instead, you let the GOP politicians and FOXnews do all the thinking for you.

You are not adults. You are not free thinkers. You are pathetic little lemmmings that live their lives in a dreamworld of political delusion.

There are plenty of conservative positions that I agree with. It is your extreme partisanism and constant hysteria that I cannot stand. Your minds are full of garbage, and you pollute pages like this with your blind stupidity. And the worst part is that you put party before country.

Posted by: ErrinF | September 15, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Someone finally gets it :)

Thanks Tellthetruth

Posted by: M Lawrence | September 15, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

The sad thing about Obama is that I've always supported him until now. But now, he's turned into the kind of political phony he always hated just to win an election.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Can I just say how absolutely sick I am of former Clinton campaign officials like Howard Wolfson, Mark Penn, and Phil Singer who expend as much digital ink and airtime as they can declining to endorse Obama's approach to anything? I know they have a right to free speech, but last time I checked they were card-carrying Democrats, and if they don't know whose economic policies would be better for the nation at a time like this, then maybe they should ask their former boss. Was it always about the Clintons, or was it about what's best for the country? You blew it, now get over yourselves, guys.
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Perhaps it is that they KNOW that candidate Obama is a FRAUD and not what is best for our country. They fronted the abuse, corruption and deceptiviness that yes, Obama himself and his team used from the very beginning playing the RACE and Sexism card to the hilt. And most of all pretending to be above the fray and behind the curtains playing real dirty. A great example is how they bamboozled the Caucuses where intimidation and abuses was rampant. And where was the press to expose these abuses. And the end result is a candidate that won illegitimately. He makes Bush look like a little angel when compared to this fraud!!!!

Posted by: Hispana | September 15, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

JOe Main Street

yes

Bush mccain is to blame but even more so

Phil gramm

the guy who authored the enron loophole and pushed through deregulation in the energy speculation industry.

the guy who shepherded his lobbyist clients and their predatory deregulations battles through congress

the guy who wrote the bill that made this all capable of happening in 1999 ...

the guy who is Mccain's chief official unofficial official Senior Economic Advisor and

the guy who literally wrote McCain's economic platform.

that is bad...veeerrryy Bad.

Posted by: dl | September 15, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

McCain advisor Donald Luskin is frustrated, not at Wall Street or the Bush administration, but at you middle class whiners and exaggerators. And he's not gonna take it any more!:

"But that doesn't make any of it true. Things today just aren't that bad. Sure, there are trouble spots in the economy, as the government takeover of mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and jitters about Wall Street firm Lehman Brothers, amply demonstrate. And unemployment figures are up a bit, too. None of this, however, is cause for depression -- or exaggerated Depression comparisons."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/12/AR2008091202415.html


That's what Bushonomics are reduced to? After eight years of being told the next tax cut for billionaires would unleash the long promised economic Mecca, after two straight Presidential terms where critics of Bush's trickle-down mythology were soundly ridiculed as ignorant socialists, after being told We the People don't understand complicated money stuff and we should just shut up, work harder, shop our brains out, and trust conservative economic philosophy, the best case scenario our millionaire conservative cheerleaders can make in the end is 'it's not as bad' as the Great Depression?


"Vote Republican and it won't be as bad as the Great Depression!"


I remember a time when the nation was at peace, its economy driven by technical innovation and stable markets allowing the accumulation of investment capital. Interest rates and unemployment were near historical lows, wages and productivity rose almost as steeply the stock market. Talk of investment banks going broke or market meltdowns was rare to non existent. And no one had to write columns begging people not to compare the economy to the Great Depression. It sounds like a conservative wet dream, but it was actually called the Clinton Years.

Posted by: former Republican | September 15, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a republican -- somewhere in the middle, instead. I voted for Liberal Congress in 2006. Now I see that Obama sold his soul for some power

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

The sad thing about McCain is that I've always supported him until now. But now, he's turned into the kind of political phony he always hated just to win an election.

The fact that he kept repeating debunked lies by a source that's quite fair to both sides ( http://www.factcheck.org/ ) really bothers me. This is a guy who believed in saying what you mean. But not any more! He promised a clean campaign. They both did, actually. But McCain hit first and hardest. He used to be above that, now McCain is down in the mud.

Issues? What issues? The economy is about to crush all our savings here and tomorrow we'll have more irrelevant news about Palin. People "outraged" over Oprah or something else. I mean, who cares if the economy goes to hell, or we're buried in another hundred years of war so long as people can boycott Oprah for not wanting to talk to Palin! McCain used to care about this country. Now all he cares about is winning.

It's sad, because when I hear people defend McCain, they're defending the old one, not the new McCain. And I know why they'd defend him. He WAS an honorable man. But that's past tense for a reason! I've spent the last decade voting for him. I'm not some irrational Republican-hater. Hell, I'm a registered Republican! But I'm sad to see what our country is going through.

It's not "country first" to put forth gimmicks instead of solutions. It's not "country first" to talk about politicians instead of problems. It's not "country first" to skirt issues with distractions. It's not "country first" to lie about your opponent and to blame the media for pointing it out.

The current McCain isn't the real one. I don't know what happened to him, but as far as I'm concerned, he's a fake. This McCain is not the honorable man I voted for as my Senator.

And until we get the real McCain back, I will NEVER vote for him again, either for Senate or President.

Posted by: Joe | September 15, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Dear tellthetruth,

Let's "tell the truth" Obama will give 95% of America a tax cut. TRUE... of 5%

What he does not tell you is how he does it... Tax the rich and tax business. I guess maybe you live out in the boonies and hunt and fish and make your own clothes and never buy any good or service...

If you do.. those tax increases given to business and the wealthy WILL be passed on. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out yourself. Gas will cost more, food will cost more, clothing will cost more. EVERYTHING will cost more.

This is what they DON'T tell you.

Posted by: Obamanator | September 15, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Hey Annonamous,

I'm not a liberal -- somewhere in the middle, instead. I voted for McCain in the Pres. primary last March. Then he sold his soul for some power.

Posted by: disillusioned | September 15, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Dano

McCain has never had to balance a checkbook.

Palin had a business that closed and the state shut down for financial reasons.

these are not even close to people we want touching our economy...

never mind "deregulating" it...considering Gramm is THE deregulator in the country... and literally just wrote mcCain's economic platform.

throw these bums out.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Think the current banking crisis is the fault of Bush and the Republicans? Think again! Do your research, folks.

Here are some facts you might like:

- Lehman Brothers lobbying efforts aimed at deregulation of the banking industry, have donated $395,600 to Obama's campain.

- John McCain has received $117,500 in donations from Lehman Brothers.

- A total of 271 current members of Congress have received donations from Merrill Lynch, with 72 percent of those donations going to Democrats.

Put down the Kool Aid and open your eyes people! Stop following the herd and dig into these issues.

Posted by: Joe Main Street | September 15, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Hey Annamous,

I'm not a liberal. I voted for McCain in the Pres. primary last March. Then he sold his soul for some power.

Posted by: disillusioned | September 15, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

It's very odd that the LIBERALS, who have repeatedly claimed they like to take repsonsibility, always blame problems during their lIBERAL CONGRESS on someone else.


This indicates to me the total irresponsibility of lIBERALS and the current LIBERAL CONGRESS.

Either it's their fault and their responsibility or they are such ineffectual Congress that they do not belong anywhere.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I find it difficult to blame any one particular party if parties are to be blamed. Isn't it possible that our own greed set this up and the politicians greased the wheel. For one party to blame the other makes no sense in our democracy.

Time for term limits again folks....

Posted by: robinhood | September 15, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

No, Brian, it has nothing to do with winning or losing elections. It has to do with how childish and hysterical you right wing extremists are. It is pathetic how dumb and overly emotional you fools are.

But, if you want to bring up winning or losing elections, your side lost the last election in 2006 quite bad, so badly that the Dems took over both houses of Congress. And, giving the disasterous second term of George W Bush, you could hardly call the 2004 election a victory for your side. In fact, it was the beginning of the end of Republican control of government.

Posted by: ErrinF | September 15, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

"The fundamentals of the economy are strong"
Sen. John McCain

What are the fundamentals of the economy John?

The health of our banking institutions
The health of our housing market
The health of our consumer outlook
The health of Job creation
Our national debt.
Inflation
and so on......

How are these working out under 8 years of Republican rule?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

does that mean Phil Gramm is one of his reformers...the guy who deregulated the industry.

the guy who received 750k just in 2007 for lobbying for deregulation to help mortgage companies and predatory lending?

you know the guy who just wrote mcCain's economic policy

Posted by: dl | September 15, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I guess, as the DNC in Denver demonstrated, lack of good ideas can be made up for by volume and name-calling

I guess the Dem behavior at the GOP convention was a shinignexample of how to behave when you disagree??? Love the looting,beatings and vandalism that occured. Real class!

Posted by: Obamanator | September 15, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

What has happened to individual accountability? This equates to Obama's philosophy and socialist agenda of INCOME REDISTRIBUTION!!!! Folks, when they begin to TAX you to death then don't go out screaming. You are forewarned!!!

Posted by: Hispana | September 15, 2008 2:38 PM
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Hispana, nobody is saying individuals shouldn't be held accountable--that's a red herring. And screaming, "Oh my gawd, he's a socialist," is transparently hysterical.

The fact is, both Obama and McCain advocate lowering taxes; they just want different groups to benefit. Disagree with the perspective, but I'd bet that the 95% of people who benefit from Obama's smaller tax reduction would be just as grateful as the 5% of wealthy folks who benefit from McCain's larger one (and I took those numbers from the Washington Post's graphic, supplied by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Institute).

If helping the poor instead of practicing the discredited "Voodoo Economics" of trickle-down Reaganism (debunked by George H.W. Bush himself)--which has already been proved not to work for 95% of Americans--is somehow a "socialist agenda of income redistribution," where can I sign up?

Most Americans are just trying to get by, pay their bills, provide their families with insurance, and pay their taxes (unlike corporations in this country, that pay very little, and corporate CEOs, who have high-powered tax attorneys and accountants to find tax loopholes for them and shelters for their earnings).

Everybody wants fire, police, safe schools, infrastructure, disaster relief when tragedy strikes, and so on...buy no one wants to pay any taxes to make it possible. You can't have it both ways. Personally, I'd pay a little more so that everyone around me benefited a little more.

But then, I'm not a member of the GOP, and I don't play golf.

Posted by: tellthetruth | September 15, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Bidens charity gifts from recent tax returns for the last ten years.

Average income $330,000

Avg Charitable Gift $360

Less than 1/10 of a percent? You gotta be kiddin.

Hey Joe! next year keep your used underwear and worn out wigs!

More importantly the guys Net worth is 300k and he's made that kind of money?

Any of you LIBS see anything wrong with that?

This is the guy you want to give the nations check book to?

He can't manage his own. He's a nitwit.

Palin is a proven Leader who gets things done.

Posted by: dano | September 15, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

"Now, the average American still has his/her job and knows very few people that are unemployed. In six months, that will have changed"

You think that the average American won't have a job in 6 months?

Man, not even I'M that pessimistic.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 15, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

It's very odd that the GOP and conservatives, who have repeatedly claimed they like to take repsonsibility, always blame problems during their administration on someone else.

Some are even saying "It's Clinton's fault."

This indicates to me the total irresponsibility of conservatives and the current GOP administration.

Either it's their fault and their responsibility or they are such ineffectual administrators that they do not belong in office at all.

Posted by: AlanGoldberg54 | September 15, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

I almost forgot the best part of my critique of the delusional left wing extremists here:

The leadership in the Liberal party have a very low opinion of you. To them, you are nothing but gullible suckers who buy into any Liberals lie put forth hook, line, and sinker. You are completely enslaved by their lies and propoganda, and they know it. You are a laughing stock to them and the rest of us.

Bottom line: Only stupid people put all their faith and loyalty in politicians and political parties. You right wingers are as dumb as they come. LOL

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Dear ErrinF ,

Your anger and hatred of anything opposing your view is very evident. Conservative doesn't mean "stupid or ignorant". It is more of how we view social and financial issues.

Instead of getting a ARM home loan with "zero down" and being over 50% obligated we go for the fixed rate loan and put down 20%. So, when housing drops and times get tough we can pay our bills and you wind up in bankruptsy blaming Bush for making you get that home.

For social issues we believe in marriage, family and not killing an unborn baby. Alothugh we don't force our beliefs down your throat it is wrong for us to live our life in any other way than how you see fit.

Unlike someone like yourself, I do not demean the people who post opposing views to make myself feel better and me....

Obviously, you have some issues you need to work out. We do point out Obama's lack of clear direction and undecissiveness. Even you have to admit voting "PRESENT" as many times as he has is a first in politics for either party.

All things in life are not black and white but to Barry everything is a differnt shade of grey and depending on what you are voting on or for there are always diferent shades he can see to make you happy and feel good about it.

Which share of grey do you want to be today?? Barry will make sure you see it

Posted by: Obamanator | September 15, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Dear everyone,
Please stop typing the words you want to emphasize, or even entire posts, in all caps. Make your point with finesse and logic, not capslove. No one likes being yelled at.

And it seems weird to me that it's almost always the conservatives who use this tactic... I guess, as the DNC in Denver demonstrated, lack of good ideas can be made up for by volume and name-calling. Good luck!


McCain-Palin 08

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Not to worry everyone. "The fundamentals of the economy are strong."

People say this a lot when things are going badly.

It's perhaps easier to say than the fundamentals of the economy are weak which is why we are having problems.

Posted by: AlanGoldberg54 | September 15, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

I almost forgot the best part of my critique of the delusional right wing extremists here:

The leadership in the Republican party have a very low opinion of you. To them, you are nothing but gullible suckers who buy into any GOP lie put forth hook, line, and sinker. You are completely enslaved by their lies and propoganda, and they know it. You are a laughing stock to them and the rest of us.

Bottom line: Only stupid people put all their faith and loyalty in politicians and political parties. You right wingers are as dumb as they come. LOL

Posted by: ErrinF | September 15, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

The liberals are trying to totally misrepresent today's Wall Street problems and use it to instill FEAR among their fellow americans.

I warn the Washington Post to use caution when they are continuing to stir the masses. Today's front page was nothing more than fearmongering to be used as political ammunition.

And I also condemn the article posted by Prof. Randall Kennedy stirring racial divides and fear if Obama doesn't win.

The Washington Post is definetely a candidate to win the OSCAR of irresponsible journalism.

Psychology tells me that the liberals here are in a state of Panic, so let's bunker down because it could be that the ugliest is still yet to come!!!

Posted by: Hispana | September 15, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Hey ErrinF:

Please stop spreading hate for Republicans. I know you are frustrated about losing another election. We will love you unconditionally.

Posted by: Brian | September 15, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Liberals-Power, greed and stupidity. What a bunch of scumbags.By by Lamobama

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Dear everyone,
Please stop typing the words you want to emphasize, or even entire posts, in all caps. Make your point with finesse and logic, not capslove. No one likes being yelled at.

And it seems weird to me that it's almost always the conservatives who use this tactic... I guess, as the RNC in St. Paul demonstrated, lack of good ideas can be made up for by volume and name-calling. Good luck!

Obama/08

Posted by: Jim | September 15, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Chris of the Fix...what is your proof that "neither Obama nor McCain has demonstrated considerable economic chops either in this race or their political lives more generally"?

You make assertions in which you don't back it up journalistically. Obama has been focused on the economy for the last couple of months and mentioned the urgency to put some elements into play to help economy as far back as September 2007. The problem is that the media did not find that sort of talk attractive enough to sell papers and commercials. I should go into the details of the economy that Obama (and McCain if any discussed) has talked about over the last year but this should be your JOB!

Posted by: Obama-Junkie | September 15, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

"HOW'S THAT democrat run ECONOMY TREATING YOU TODAY?" ----------

Let's see, Bushco Presidency for the past 8 years, Republican control of Congress for 6 years. Last 2 years Republican obstructionist filibusters set a new Congressional record as they attempt to block EVERYTHING, popular bipartisan or otherwise. Republican appointed regulators, majority in the Supreme Court, cabinet advisors, Fed controllers, etc.

So.... hate to burst the bubble on your drug induced fantasy world, but the Dems haven't been in control of anything much in the past 8 years, and lost control of Congress during much of the previous administration. Put down the crack pipe and maybe you'll figure out that McCain/Palin IS part of the problem, and offers NO level of change whatsoever. Time to let the adults drive for awhile.

Posted by: Roger | September 15, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

laundering drug money through foreign connections

has a bit to do with the "mortgage crisis."


After all Afghanistan provided 93 PerCENT of the world's heroin last year...

and the CIA has to do something with those BILLIONS of unrecorded profits....


they put the money back in-country through their partners in crimes banks...

Jonathan Bush, George W's uncle was connected with money laundering and the Saudis....connected to 9/11

want to take over a country????

create another "Pearl Harbor," and pass laws to swing control of things to


der Furher.


.read the Statement of Purpose for PNAC Project for a New American Century...

that's the "Bush Doctrine," aka as


JINSA/AIPAC's statement of purpose...

grow up little scheissckopfs'

.

Posted by: money | September 15, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

The Republcan economic philosphy of low or no regulation of markets of all kinds had a lot to do with this crisis, though obviously many commenting on this story do not understand this. The executive branch's (President Bush) laxity regulating fianacial and mortgage markets, and the failures of Congress and the Federal Reserve between 2002 and 2006 (again Republican), have a lot to do the current crisis. But it's certain that Republcans won't acknowledge this and voters won't understand it. Power, greed and stupidity.

Posted by: disillusioned | September 15, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Obama is more then out of touch. He is out to lunch and been there for a very long time. What exactly is Obama looking to reform? The economic mess that has its roots to the financial deregulation that was led by Liberal Congress, his financial guru? Obama has less knowledge of the economy than anybody, I guess that is why he got Biden as his VP to give us his vote of confidence.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

You are right Clinton will not go out of his or her way to support Obama. They are card carrying Dems and they know he is a the wrong person to lead the country. That should tell you something!

A guy Clinton called a " Chicago Thug Politician". Mrs. Clinton called inexperienced and McCain has more experience to lead the country.

They may be democrats but they aren't stupid. Matter of fact, most democrats called them they smartest people in the world.

Posted by: TomB | September 15, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

As an independent voter, I'd just like to say that the right wing fanatics here are as stupid and pathetic as they come. They are such lost causes, such pathetic excuses for human beings. Blind lemmings living in a spoonfed world of delusion.

You people were never fit to run this country, as George W Bush and the GOP have proven. Your main motivation in everything is a blind hatred of everything liberal. You offer nothing to this country, and in fact put this country second to your political party.

The most pathetic part about you is how you are so brainwashed and submissive to the GOP party line. You are delusional, hysterical, and obsessed about the liberals. Yet all you've gotten in return for that in the last 8 years is a Democratic takeover of Congress.

I cannot wait until Election Day rolls around so that you idiots once again get your just deserts. There are plenty of honorable conservatives out there that don't let their lives be dictated by hate and hysteria. I sincerely pity people who have to deal with you in real life, as you are sickening enough just being encountered on the internet.

When it comes down to it, it has nothing to do with right versus left. It has to do with how stupid and gullible you are for blindly following everything the GOP tells you. That you tie so much of your self identity into being partisan just shows that you are lacking as people in your own right. So you glom on to whatever right wing, anti-liberal nonsense you can find. Your kind and the politicians you follow are not fit to run this country, as you put this country second to your party. And you do it with nothing but outrage and hysteria. You are the biggest losers around.

Posted by: ErrinF | September 15, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

If McCain wins the 2008 Presidential Election, Americans better hope and pray that the fine print found on every glossy mutual fund brochure applies. Because another four years of Bushism in the form of John McCain could make the Great Depression sound like the good old days:

"In one of the most dramatic days in Wall Street’s history, Merrill Lynch agreed to sell itself to Bank of America for roughly $50 billion to avert a deepening financial crisis, while another prominent securities firm, Lehman Brothers, hurtled toward liquidation after it failed to find a buyer, people briefed on the deals said. The humbling moves, which reshape the landscape of American finance, mark the latest chapter in a tumultuous year in which once-proud financial institutions have been brought to their knees..."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/15/business/15lehman.html?_r=1&ref=worldbusiness&oref=slogin


Looking back at the vast economic wreckage brought on by "conservative" policies provides a chilling picture for a future under the thumb of John McCain and his merry band of industry lobbyists. It's frightening to contemplate where we'd be, right now, if these bozos had succeeded in 'privatizing' social security, as in throwing it and the future of millions of retiring Americans who rely on it into the same snapping jaws that brought us this latest financial pile of crap.


The nation has learned at great, tragic cost that "conservatives" can't be trusted to prevent terrorist attacks, bring the top Al-qaeda kingpin to justice, wisely initiate and manage foreign wars, or control spending. Now, with the benefit of empirical hindsight, perhaps it's time to publicly recognize what everyone now knows: "conservatism" doesn't work at home, either.

Posted by: Bush + McCain = "W"orthless | September 15, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

McCain is more then out of touch. He is out to lunch and been there for a very long time. What exactly is McCain looking to reform? The economic mess that has its roots to the financial deregulation that was led by Phil Grahm, his financial guru? McCain himself claimed that he less knowledge of the economy, I guess that is why he got Palin as his VP to give us his vote of confidence.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

With the current financial crisis, it would be no help to have a President like Obama who knows absolutely NOTHING about economics.

The Liberal congress have driven this country into the present mess, and therefore we should vote Liberals again? Are you kidding? It is the economy, stupid

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I am not sure if people really understand that yes it is a Democratic run Congress etc but there is not enough of an majority to be able to pass bills etc.

It means that some Demo's are still to afraid to run against the Repub regime which shame on them and that the Repub's refuse to compromise. Shame on them as well. So you have Gridlock. It is both parties fault we do not see change. Get out and VOTE and perhaps we will see it.

Obama-Biden

Posted by: M Lawrence | September 15, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

With the current financial crisis, it would be no help to have a President like McCain who admits that he knows absolutely NOTHING about economics.

The Republicans have driven this country into the present mess, and therefore we should vote Republican again? Are you kidding? It is the economy, stupid!

Posted by: bodo | September 15, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

With the current financial crisis, it would be no help to have a President like McCain who admits that he knows absolutely NOTHING about economics.

The Republicans have driven this country into the present mess, and therefore we should vote Republican again? Are you kidding? It is the economy, stupid!

Posted by: bodo | September 15, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

"*NEW POLL* OBAMA ONLY LOSING IN NY BY 5%"
Well.no bad

Also, a new poll has Obama losing VA by 4%.And nationwide, Obama's lead has slowly been dropping and now its at 1.6% and it s going on and on and on.....

I'm sure Obama is hoping that the pollsters have got their turnout estimates accurate. If not, this could be quite a blowout.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

You are so right Obama "The Messiah" will save us all. He has a plan for the economy. I will get a tax break and stick it to the "man".. Evil businesses will have to pay more and I get to keep more of my pay check!!!

That is until the company I work for doesn't give me a raise or cuts my pay becuase they have to pay more taxes. The store I buy stuff from raises prices to cover the tax increase, the gas costs more to cover the tax increase, my food costs more to cover the tax increase..

So, I pay 5-10% more for everything and my pay stays the same or goes down... But I got a tax cut!!!!!!

He is the man!

Posted by: Homer SImpson | September 15, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Can I just say how absolutely sick I am of former Clinton campaign officials like Howard Wolfson, Mark Penn, and Phil Singer who expend as much digital ink and airtime as they can declining to endorse Obama's approach to anything? I know they have a right to free speech, but last time I checked they were card-carrying Democrats, and if they don't know whose economic policies would be better for the nation at a time like this, then maybe they should ask their former boss. Was it always about the Clintons, or was it about what's best for the country? You blew it, now get over yourselves, guys.

Posted by: kschnee | September 15, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

"Anonymous: "*NEW POLL* OBAMA ONLY LEADS IN NY BY 5%"

Also, a new poll has Obama winning VA by 4%. The RCP average for VA has McCain leading by 0.6%

And nationwide, McCain's lead has slowly been dropping and now its at 1.6%

I'm sure McCain is hoping that the pollsters have got their turnout estimates accurate. If not, this could be quite a blowout.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 15, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

ACTION ALERT - WE NEED TO SHUT DOWN THEIR PHONE SYSTEMS AGAIN WITH OUR CALLS AND FAXES!

Senators Deciding NOW Behind Closed Doors!

Unemployment Rates are at a 5-YEAR HIGH!

Yet Congress Considering 550,000 More Foreign Workers!!

Federal law-makers who claim to champion the American worker are once again showing their true intentions. While 592,000 U.S. citizens were added to the unemployment rolls in August, Congress wants to add 550,000 foreign workers to our labor market. Senate staffers are negotiating behind closed doors right now!

Congress doesn't seem to care that this cheap imported labor pool will compete directly with the MILLIONS OF U.S. CITIZENS who are actively seeking employment! Let your Senators know that you care!

The Judiciary Committee may vote this week on HR 5882 to give hundreds of thousands more American jobs to foreign workers as our economy continues to collapse! The bill is packaged as a means of "recapturing" unused visas from previous years, but, in fact, unused visas already roll over to the following year. The legislation contrives a formula to double-count the unused visas by adding them to multiple categories to effect a huge total increase.

It is shocking that Congress would consider this action while American workers are struggling to find jobs and support their families. The bill is simply a concession to the cheap-labor lobby that sees immigration as a means of undercutting American workers.

YOUR ACTION IS NEEDED

DEMAND that your Senators oppose this effort to give U.S. jobs away to foreign workers.

This bill may move quickly so you may also want to call your Senators through the Capitol Switchboard at 202-224-3121.

Posted by: Patriot | September 15, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

put AMERICA back on it's feet????


first order of business

seperate the embezzlers from the accounting process....


but Chertoff, Negroponte, Rumsfeld, Gates, Cheney, the bushes all of them, Rice, and those connections


with Halliburton, Carlyle Group, Bechtel, AEI, Heritage Foundation, KBR, JINSA, AIPAC


and other neo conartists' think tanks under the microscope and bring some of them up on charges...


you could argue treason for Richard Perle, Bolton, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Douglas Feith and the elder bush


as starters....


gain a little respect with the world and shoot some deals dead immediately


that still want to be completed legally or illegally....


they'll work with you if you kill their deal...


it sets the tone for economic recovery...


don't it alan.


.

Posted by: want to | September 15, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I really can't see how Obama has the b@lls to blame the economy crisis on Bush and say McCain is more of the same.

Let's eally look at what happened: Banks made loans to anyone and everyone.. pushing loans people couldn't afford, people bought houses they shouldn't have and did interest only loans to flip the home and make a quick buck. HOusing prices soard to obscence levels.

People spent money they didn't have, got way into debt and then when the market went sour it is the PResidents fault?

I live in either the hardest hit or second hardest hit area in the country for housing. I don't blame a President. I wouldn't blame a Democrat for this either.

Americans consume ans spend and did this. Govt. didn't do it. If poeple didn't get dumb loans on a $500,000 home to flip it and try and make $750,000 out of it in 6 months this wouldn't happen.

There is an old saying if it sounds too good to be true it is... well.. these people got a wake up call. I don't think George Bush held a gunb to their head and said "take this loan or else".
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Tom, very well said. What has happened to individual accountability? This equates to Obama's philosophy and socialist agenda of INCOME REDISTRIBUTION!!!! Folks, when they begin to TAX you to death then don't go out screaming. You are forewarned!!!

Posted by: Hispana | September 15, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

For one thing for those who blog it's great to get a breather and go for a jog ... or walk and get some fresh air. Taxes play into the ecomony. Alan Greenspan has sharply critisized John McCain's plan where as Barack Obama's is quite do-able. The main differences is (Obama's) tax breaks for example elderly and their homes, people who are on fixed incomes or (McCain's) tax breaks for big business and the wealthy. Both are simular for the middle class. For those who say they haven't heard the plans from either are not choosing to listen. The information is there.

I can't help but notice that John McCains reasoning for lying and ignoble attacks are because Barack Obama didn't want to do town hall meetings. The my way or the highway approach shows no real committment to bi-partisan politicing. Town hall meetings together was a good idea though.

Posted by: Alohaakamai | September 15, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Hey Liberals:

HOW'S THAT democrat run ECONOMY TREATING YOU TODAY?

Maybe now that you're hit in the only place that matters to you (YOUR WALLET) you will realize the Obama-Biden econimic plan is a total failure. TIME FOR REAL CHANGE!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Someone needs to ask McSame if he and Paloon intend to follow the Bush policy in regards to privatization of Social Security.

Posted by: Slim2 | September 15, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse


*** BREAKING STORY***

WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Iraqi Foreign Minister Zebari said in an interview.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09152008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/obama_tried_to_stall_gis_iraq_withdrawal_129150.htm


Posted by: JP Vanderbilt | September 15, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

It's unfortunate for Obama that the election will be held on Nov. 4. Six months from now it will be obvious to even the most culturally conservative voters that the economy is in really bad shape. Now, the average American still has his/her job and knows very few people that are unemployed. In six months, that will have changed, and we will have elected a president who has said he doesn't know much about economics and a VP who has told reporters that she got a "D" in macroeconomics in college -- and both of them are being guided by advisors who subscribe to failed economic policies. Lord help us, because the economy is in a "rough patch" that's gong to last for quite a while. Are we better off now than we were four years ago. No. Will we be better off in four years at the end of a McCain presidency. No. Will voters fall sway to the destructive strategies of Karl Rove again. Maybe, but at some point we will throw the bums out, and that includes Karl.

Posted by: disillusioned | September 15, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Tell us more, Chevy and anonymous. I'm sure you were just as partisan and extreme in 2006, and all that led to was Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Reid. You fools blindly followed Bush (still do), and all that has gotten you is more Democrats in the House and Congress. In a few weeks from now, there will be even more Dems elected to the House and Senate, as well as a Dem winning the White House. Your 'liberals are traitorous demons' nonsense only serves to make you look bad and make your politicians (who you never hold accountable, as you are too busy obsessing about the phantom liberal menace) lose elections.

By all means, keep fueling the fire of right wing stupidity. You are the poster children of a failed political party. Keep putting the nails in your own coffins, fools.

Posted by: ErrinF | September 15, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

This country's economy is in crisis, yet those that put party before country(dem mocr. cong.) (i.e. the left wing partisans here) could care less.

Their reality is not our reality. America could be falling apart at the seams, and all they will ever care about is attacking conservatives. Such selfishness and stupidity. They just want to live their little NSNBCnews dreamworld and could care less about the real state of our country.

Just look at their comments here. They would gladly run this country into the ground, as it matters little to them. All they care about is anti-cons hysteria. So selfish, so delusional. These are the types of people that put a political party's fortunes ahead of the country's fortunes. They are so mindlessly brainwashed by liberal propoganda and left wing talk radio that they care about nothing else, certainly not the country or their fellow Americans. When they lose badly come November 2008, it is because the rest of the American electorate is tired of the idiocy of the left wingers.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Hey Republicans:

HOW'S THAT BUSH ECONOMY TREATING YOU TODAY?

Maybe now that you're hit in the only place that matters to you (YOUR WALLET) you will realize the Bush/McCain econimic plan is a total failure. TIME FOR CHANGE!

Posted by: What more proof do you need? | September 15, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Based on some of the posts here from the loony libs, it is clear that there is a vast need for all sorts of assistance from somebody.

the notion that a naive poseur can magically right the economy and cure all evils is profane. you have to be a product of the failing public schools or the arrogant Ivy's to come to such an ignorant conclusion.

clearly most of the liberal base is deranged and in need of serious psychological counseling. but I am not convinced it will be effective or that I should have to pay for it.

Posted by: kingofzouk | September 15, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

anonymous is a robber baron looking to

sell some "PORK FUTURES"

you don't have the sense gawd gave a peanut...


wanna dance sfb?


I'll wear you on the end of my size 13's like a mouse warming my big toe with it's


rea rexit.


come to daddy.


.

Posted by: apparently | September 15, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I really can't see how Obama has the b@lls to blame the economy crisis on Bush and say McCain is more of the same.

Let's eally look at what happened: Banks made loans to anyone and everyone.. pushing loans people couldn't afford, people bought houses they shouldn't have and did interest only loans to flip the home and make a quick buck. HOusing prices soard to obscence levels.

People spent money they didn't have, got way into debt and then when the market went sour it is the PResidents fault?

I live in either the hardest hit or second hardest hit area in the country for housing. I don't blame a President. I wouldn't blame a Democrat for this either.

Americans consume ans spend and did this. Govt. didn't do it. If poeple didn't get dumb loans on a $500,000 home to flip it and try and make $750,000 out of it in 6 months this wouldn't happen.

There is an old saying if it sounds too good to be true it is... well.. these people got a wake up call. I don't think George Bush held a gunb to their head and said "take this loan or else".

Posted by: TomB | September 15, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Monster Story - Proves NObama isn't who he says he is.

PAPER: OBAMA TRIED TO STALL GIS' IRAQ WITHDRAWAL...

Posted From Drudge

LOL what a slimeball. He want's credit for something he never supported.

BTW Racist - Stop following Palin around and you've lost 18 points a

Chevy

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

This country's economy is in crisis, yet those that put party before country (i.e. the right wing partisans here) could care less.

Their reality is not our reality. America could be falling apart at the seams, and all they will ever care about is attacking liberals. Such selfishness and stupidity. They just want to live their little FOXnews dreamworld and could care less about the real state of our country.

Just look at their comments here. They would gladly run this country into the ground, as it matters little to them. All they care about is anti-liberal hysteria. So selfish, so delusional. These are the types of people that put a political party's fortunes ahead of the country's fortunes. They are so mindlessly brainwashed by Republican propoganda and right wing talk radio that they care about nothing else, certainly not the country or their fellow Americans. When they lose badly come November 2008, just as they lost badly in November 2006, it is because the rest of the American electorate is tired of the idiocy of the right wingers.

Posted by: ErrinF | September 15, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Obama is the communist with a communist agenda for this country.Do we need a communist in WH?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Monster Story - Proves NObama isn't who he says he is.

Posted From Drudge

Chevy

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:16 PM
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Drudge has zero credibility. He's a partisan hack, on par with Kkkarl Rove and Bill O'Lies. The only reason the corporate media pays any attention to him is that investigative journalism is no longer funded by the corporations that own the press. In short, journalism is dead, with very select few exceptions.

That you use anything coming from Drudge to prove or raise a point shows your own absolute lack of credibility.

Posted by: tellthetruth | September 15, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Obama broke the law when he bought that house in Chicago together with criminal Rezko.Do we need the criminal president?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

"The fundamentals of the economy are strong"
Sen. John McCain

What are the fundamentals of the economy John?

The health of our banking institutions
The health of our housing market
The health of our consumer outlook
The health of Job creation
Our national debt.
Inflation
and so on......

How are these working out under 8 years of Republican rule?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

palin will put Obama on that bridge to nowhere.By by Obama!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

We've had a democratic-controlled Congress for two years. Obama has been in the U. S. Senate almost four years. As far back as 2003, even I saw a problem looming when banks required a minimal or no down payment on the purchase of a home that the buyers could barely afford. I saw that as a recipe for disaster. Can anyone cite any legislation that Obama introduced between January 2005 and now that showed he saw this financial disaster coming and tried to stop it?

Posted by: MichaelL | September 15, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

There are only two things that McCain's brain trust is praying for:

1. He wins; and,
2. He gets to take first crack at "shaking up" Wall Street....because, my friends, they will rake in so much money in lobbying fees that they could pay down a good chunk of the deficit.

Posted by: Losercuda | September 15, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Ted Land (907) 762-9269 of KTUU TV an NBC affiliate in Alaska who did the news story of a hugh rally in Alaska against Sarah Palin. I told him that I was amazed that none of the networks carried or asked for any of the footage. He said that he was just as amazed as I was especially when NBC did not request any footage. He also said that CNN was there. I told him the only story that I heard concerning a protest on CNN was about Oprah. What's going on here folks? I found out about the story at KTTU.COM There are a lot of people especially women, democrats and republicans unlike who disagreeD with Palin and thinks she's dangerous for the country. The protest started with 8 to 10 women sitting around realizing that Palin doesn't represent them. A nasty radio host broadcast their names over the airways and others tried to stop the rally. It was big news in Alaska and you can see the story on KTTU.COM website. This goes to show you that Rick Davis has far reaching arms. Palin will be hidden from the legit media as well as any negative press. Alaska is a small community so there will be some backlash but still these people weren't afraid to speak out. What happen to our press coverage here about the protest IN ALASKA. CALL TED AND ASK HIM ABOUT THE STORY

Posted by: WHY WASN'T THIS STORY COVERED? | September 15, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Now we can finally see that Biden is irrelevant and get down to the real issues that threaten our country. My God he is such a light weight and cannot possibly help Obama who is even more of a light weight on economics. For once the system has delivered us a competent choice in McCain-palin.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

The special list must be a long list and Congress dares not to tell the true. ...
As to change Washington, DNC tries to fault Palin on everthing she did.......
Big joke!

Posted by: jy2008 | September 15, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Now we can finally see that Sarah Palin is irrelevant and get down to the real issues that threaten our country. My God she is such a light weight and cannot possibly help McCain who is even more of a light weight on economics. For once the system has delivered us a competent choice in Obama-Biden.

Posted by: Henry | September 15, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Folks, how many times does the American public have to be hit over the head with a 2x4 before it looks up and realizes who's doing the hitting?

Deregulation under the Republican party has run this country into the ground:
-The dollar has been severely weakened since 2002;
-Unemployment is up;
-Wages compared to what they buy are down;
-The financial structure of the United States is in shambles due to greed, lack of oversight on the part of the SEC (appointed by Bush), and reduced regulation since the time of St. Ronald of Reagan;
-Productivity is falling (although, yes, I know, that's a bull***** statistic);
-Millions of Americans have no health care and many who do can barely afford it;
-Sales of new and existing homes are falling;
-Home foreclosures are skyrocketing.

Now, McCain says he'll lower your taxes--but he won't lower them for the people who need it most--those at the exact middle on down. His tax plan is skewed toward the wealthiest 5% of earners. He wants to put your Social Security into the stock market and roll the dice. (Imagine what would have happened to the value of your Social Security account on a day like today.) Finally, he cannot "reform" Wall St. if most of his top advisers are from--you guessed it--Wall St.

Republicans did this to you! Why would you let them do it again?

Obama's tax cut is smaller, yes--that's why economists think it's doable. It's skewed toward middle income earners on down. He increased access to health care in Illinois, and he wants to do it nationally because IT WILL SAVE MONEY IN THE LONG RUN! He's proposing tax breaks for companies that return jobs to the U.S. from overseas and those that keep their jobs here. Look, there's a lot more on the guy's web site. Go there for details: www.barackobama.com/compare.

But know this. You have a CLEAR choice in this election. Don't be confused. McCain and the Republican party have no desire to "spread the wealth" or help those of us below median income--because we are not the major donors to their party. Why would you vote for someone who doesn't have your well-being and interests at heart? Why continue to be hit in the head with a 2x4--wouldn't it feel better to make the hitting stop?

Posted by: tellthetruth | September 15, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

McCain - "The fundamentals of the economy are strong."

((sigh)) Please McCain; just tell the American public what is fundamentally strong in today’s Economy!
- Stocks? Nope!
- Social Security? Nope!
- Mortgage? Nope!
- Healthcare prices? Nope!
- The American dollar? Nope!
- Unemployment? Nope!
- Gas prices? Nope!

Oh; I get it - You’re wealthy, and have more houses than you can count…therefore, the “Economy is fundamentally strong.”
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I guess FUNDAMENTAL is too big a word for some of you. What McCAIN meant, if you paid attention to his entire argument is that the essential elements of our nation and economy rely on the strength of our individual entrepeneurship and small businesses who are now the backbone of our economy. And these small businesses are the ones that are managing to stay afloat in this economy and we cannot jeopardize it. This is one of McCain's strongholds in his economic proposals.

Obama's proposals of INCOME REDISTRIBUTION will HANDICAP our small business and make it impossible for them to stay afloat. BAD MOVE when we are dealing with a sensitive economy today. Obama proposes but the one thing that we know for sure is that he would not be able to deliver without turning this nation into a major crisis. His economic policies are nothing more than a SOCIALIST agenda. Our nation has already being in existence for too long and our values are core to our future endeavors. The Obama proposals take us into a RADICAL new direction where hand-outs and welfare will be our governing rule. Where is our individual responsibility and accountability?

What is happening now is due to GREED on the part of Wall Street, CEO's and Speculators that have been operating WITHOUT any due regulation? And mostly the greed of individuals who failed to exercise any fiscal restraint, bought exorbitant mortgages that they could not afford and possibly expect the government to bail them out!!! I believe that these individuals need to learn how to better take care of their finances.

And who has been one of the few champions that for years has been advocating for regulations and spending controls? Certainly IT IS NOT OBAMA BUT JOHN MCCAIN!!!

Now tell me WHO IS OUT OF TOUCH?

Obama, with his economic policies is a true DANGER to the survival of our nation and founding principles!!! And we will fight to preserve them!!!!

Posted by: Hispana | September 15, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

rcc_2000,

That would be a Holiday Inn Express...not a Holiday Inn...

...but I like the reference otherwise...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Monster Story - Proves NObama isn't who he says he is.

PAPER: OBAMA TRIED TO STALL GIS' IRAQ WITHDRAWAL...

Posted From Drudge

LOL what a slimeball. He want's credit for something he never supported.

BTW Racist - Stop following Palin around

Chevy

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Palin has added a dynamic that no one wants to face, when many independent Americans have to pull the lever for a black man or a white women, most will choose the white women. I don't expect McCain to win NY but the fact he went from 18 up to 5 tells a much bigger story. That's why dem strategists are scared to death of what's happening while the kool aid set (dem posters here) are blind to reality.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Actually, the fundamentals of the economy are not all bad. There is a debt crisis and fallout from a big load of unstable securities. However, there was a 3.4% growth rate that pretty much matches the 50 year average.

What's wrong with the economy is not that it's about to collapse, i.e. the Great Depression, it's that everyone except the top ten percent are well and truly tool abused. If you have hopes that the middle class will continue to exist in the US then you should hope for change from the current Republican policies. Accelerating disparity in wealth and a shrinking of opportunities for middle class wage earners are turning us into a banana republic.

Posted by: Chris | September 15, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

This is a message to "Rob L." of the 1:54 post. Rob, I saw a story on tv a month or two ago that explained how Phil Grahm was behind the neocon legislation that began the mortgage crisis. Then, he moved on to become a senior vp with a foreign bank (RBS perhaps?) that had a similar tinge. I didn't pay much attention other than to say "I'm not suprised" to myself. Can you shed more light on Phil Grahm's involvement in the current financial mess we're in today? Thanks for your expertise!

Posted by: RHinGA | September 15, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Monster Story - Proves NObama isn't who he says he is.

PAPER: OBAMA TRIED TO STALL GIS' IRAQ WITHDRAWAL...

Posted From Drudge

LOL what a slimeball. He want's credit for something he never supported.

Chevy

Posted by: Chevy | September 15, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I think we should fire them all.
Republicans spent 8 years dodging the business of the people.
Democrats have had power of both houses for 18 months- still nothing
And if Greenspan and the other guy that replaced him are the experts on the Economy ….they either:
1. Were smart enough to see it coming, and did nothing
or
2. Didn’t see it coming, and therefore should not be considered experts!

Posted by: mym | September 15, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Since McCain has already announced publicly that he does not have a clue about economics, he would be absolutely hopeless as a President in this financial crisis, and lipstick would be no help, either. It is the economy, stupid!

You would think that Americans would realize that -- but no, they vote on race or gender, even if they are unemployed.

Posted by: Bodo | September 15, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I think you're overstating the importance of this to the average voter. Sure, it will confirm people's negative perception of the economy, but it will take a major gaff by one of the candidates for it to effect the election. Other than that, M.L. got bought out, big deal. And how many people in Paduca can even tell you what Lehman Bros. is?

Posted by: scrapster | September 15, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous:

Perhaps your "head needs a shake" as it was the Democrat Senator Chris Dodd, the chairman of the Senate Banking and Urban Affairs Committee, who has consistently sought to allay the rising fears about Fannie and Freddie, saying they were fundamentally sound when it's been clear for years (long before the current crisis) that they have not been above board in their accounting procedures.

So, let's not pretend that Democrats have clean hands here.

Posted by: Joe Main Street | September 15, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like Mr. Cillizza wants more of his taxes to go to bailing out yet another company or two. Why don't we just let the government run everything?

Geez, how about some %$#@ accountability of the CEO's! Heck, Martha Stewart was jailed for a lot less.

Posted by: Joe Eisenring | September 15, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Gov of Alaska posted on Ebay governor's Jet. I guess if Palin - Maccaine ticket wins, Air Force One would be on Ebay as well. Then again that would not be a bad idea, considering the amount of money spent on the aircraft for fuel, maintenance and other expenses.

I wonder why democrats are not going on the offense like the republicans do. If they don't, we can see sadly, the continuation of the current administration. May be that's what most people are looking forward to, which is nuts.

Posted by: MD | September 15, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Brian - I will do not worry. But before my new taxes kick in, can you send me all your money. you might as well get used to it now. If I can't even pool ahead in NY, I am going to need a lot more money. get used to hearing this too.

As you know I brazenly changed my mind on the campaign finance promise once I realized how gullible you stooges were. now my problem is that the independent voters do not seem as foolish as my base. what happened to my non-questioning allies at the left wing media. how come no one beleives them anymore?

Posted by: snObama | September 15, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse


From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/palin-on-economics-i-passed-technically.html


Monday, September 15, 2008
Palin on Economics: I Passed, Technically

From ABC News:


Sarah Palin deviated briefly from her standard stump speech to acknowledge the news from Wall Street today...

This was the first time Palin had mentioned Wall Street in her stump speech. Mostly she tends to reprise large portions of her nomination speech from the convention. Palin herself may not be the most authoritative spokesperson on such issues. In the past, when she was running for Alaska governor, she freely admitted to a reporter that she got a "D" in macroeconomics in college.

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/palin-on-economics-i-passed-technically.html

Posted by: Marie Stewart | September 15, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Gas prices are about to soar thanks to the aftermath of Hurricane Ike. That's going to come right on the tail of this Wall Street crisis. The McCain campaign is going to suffer because of the one two punch that is about to hit it. Obama will take us as far from the Bush years as possible; McCain will not take us far away enough.

The swing voters that decide elections do not have any love for Obama, McCain, the Democrats, or the Republicans. They will cast their vote on the lesser of two evils among the two candidates. As long as this economy and this country are in a bad state, Obama will be the lesser of two evils.

I'm sure it's been a fun ride for McCain and Palin ever since their convention, but that honeymoon is over. Reality is interceding, and reality is on Obama's side. The worse things get, the more people want a serious change in direction. Obama represents that far better than McCain.

Posted by: ErrinF | September 15, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

McCain says he doesn't understand economics... but has the temerity to say "the fundamentals are stong".

Which fundamentals? THEY ALL SUCK!

DEBT is totally out of control and has triggered a fight between business and goverment for dollars, RAISING INTEREST RATES AND MAKING CAPITAL SCARCE. Business wants dollars to expand plant capacity and to refinance debt. The Whitehouse is borrowing it for the Iraq war. Treasury note sales are the main way the gov't raises moiney - and its the CHINESE AND SAUDI's that are keeping us afloat...

WHAT IS STRONG ABOUT THAT!?!

Jobs are shrinking alll over the nation as the crisis in our economic fundamentals spins ever wider.

WHAT IS STRONG ABOUT THAT!?!

McCain wants to invest in 19th century COAL - instead of 21st century green technologiesthat would provide jobs and a new industry for America to dominate the worls in. This means the energy costs fom staying tied down to coal in America will continue to drain us, rather than providing new jobs in new, green clean industries like solar and wind power.

WHAT IS SO STRONG ABOUT BEING TIED TO A DYING TECHNOLOGY THAT ISN'T GROWING JOBS?

McCain is a disaster waiting to happen

VOTE OBAMA FOR A STRONG ECONOMY!

Posted by: JBE | September 15, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

John "the fundamentals of our economy are strong" McCain proposes following the same economic prescription that brought us this melt down in the economy. Tax cuts and borrow policies that drive up the deficit. Deregulation of the banking institutions that allow CEOs with short term gains in sight to lose the bigger picture. Bush's terms will be bookmarked by Enron and the collapse of Lehman brothers with a house crisis in the middle. I shutter to think where a McCain administration will take us.

It is a joke to suggest that Republicans are the party of fiscal responsibility.

Posted by: Birdman | September 15, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Wrong (Anonymous). I bet I look pretty much like you.

Scares you, doesn't it?

Posted by: Brian | September 15, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Four more years! Four more years! Four more years!

With McCain/Palin salvation is at hand. McCain will simply continue the Bush policy but this time instead of Cheney we have Palin who has the ability to look at a bank and become a banking expert.

Palin is the "I stayed at a Holiday Inn" candidate.

Posted by: rcc_2000 | September 15, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Why in the world would any sane person want another 8 years of the same thing - in fact worse than the last 8 years?

Another Republican and there will be another war. You can bet on it. Not to mention recession to the point of major depression domestically and globally.

It's easy when you are rich to talk like you are one of the middle class. McCain isn't and never has been, he's an elitist that will never understand hard working American families.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N38Ug_ugzXs&feature=related

Posted by: Paige Palmer | September 15, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

From Mitt Romney's blog:

Sen. McCain: "The Issue Of Economics Is Not Something I've Understood As Well As I Should." "Like Mike Huckabee, who joked recently that he 'may not be the expert that some people are on foreign policy, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night,' McCain suggested to reporters Monday that American consumer culture offered a short cut to expertise. 'The issue of economics is not something I've understood as well as I should,' McCain said. 'I've got Greenspan's book.'" (Sasha Issenberg, "McCain: It's About The Economy," The Boston Globe, www.boston.com, Posted 12/18/07

Posted by: Dave | September 15, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Republican have held the White House for 20 of the last 28 years and controlled Congress for much of that time, too. The cause of the ongoing economy meltdown is the naive notion that free markets will do things right and government intervention is wrong.

Now we see the truth. Yet, McCain and Bush only make statements that are not much different than Hoover's when he said "prosperity is just around the corner."

I do not know if their is an economic policy statement at McCain's website but there is one at Obama's site. I don't know what McCain has been talking about on the stump except to express his fantasy that he is a reformer. On the other hand, Obama has talking about the economy every day.

Where have you been, Mr. Cillizza


Posted by: Peter | September 15, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

The Obama tax plan isn't all its cracked up to be. Yes, it puts money back in the pockets of the middle class, but it doesn't recognize that they'll need that money to cover the increased costs of goods and services which will come from Obama's plan to close current legal tax exemptions to corporations who will make up the loss by increasing prices, and this burden will be shouldered by the average American. If you think corporations will simply accept these losses, you are mistaken. Also, expect to see more outsourcing and offshoring of jobs under the Obama plan to offset tax increases, as well as possibly entire companies moving their headquarters out of the US, and this means big job cuts.

Posted by: Bean Counter | September 15, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Sarah Palin is a diversion to distract us from what has actually be going on these past eight years. Those of you who are even considering her, consider this:

If you would have asked her six months ago if she would be nominated for the position of VP of the US, she would have laughed at you. How ready can she possibly be?

Now the GOP are continually grooming her so that she seems ready enough to you. She has five kids - one just headed off to Iraq (how distracting is that?, one is pregnant (how distracting is that?), the same one is making wedding plans (oh my, how distracting is that!), another one is a young infant (how distracting is that), and that same infant has a disability (how distracting is that)?

She is being used to manipulate us, and it's time to wake up! Consider the following article:

This is a very interesting read concerning McCain's choice of Palin and Republican manipulation from an unusual and surprising religious perspective. I highly recommend checking it out:

http://www.newsflavor.com/Opinions/McCain-Hijacks-Christianity-Via-Palin.240929

Posted by: WAKE UP | September 15, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Brian posted:I had an Obama campaign foot soldier come to my door this weekend and before I could even say "not interested", he looked to the ground, nodded, and shrugged his shoulders as if to say, "I know. I know."

I almost felt bad for him. Almost.

Let me guess, you had a white beater shirt on, clutched your bible, helmet on and rifle in hand, oh and mooseburger breath?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Please, Obama! Help fix my life! I am scared and helpless and NOT RESPONSIBLE for anything!

Big Bad Bush ruined everything!

Make our enemies stop! Make my investments go straight up! Get me cheap gas...or better yet...buy me a hybrid! I'll keep the tires inflated...I will...I will...(please remind me). Pay off my mortgage that I lied to get so I could flip my house!

Take care of me, please oh please, wah, wah, wah...

-your loyal subject

Posted by: Brian | September 15, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Bump:

All these executives have big life insurance policies. Why don't we start arranging some "heart attacks" like we did for Ken Lay when he was threatening to come forward with the details of Cheney's Energy Policy Consultation.

Posted by: Mulder | September 15, 2008 1:56 PM

Posted by: Me | September 15, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

The banking collapse is caused by 2 things: 'trading of unsecured mortgage backed securities (banking industry's fault); and Americans taking out mortgages to buy WAY more home than they could reasonably afford. Instead of blaming those in the White House or those up on Capitol Hill, let's talk about taking personal financial responsibility. Sure, when I bought my home, the bank offered to loan my tons more money and I could have bought a bigger home, but I knew how much take home money I have each month and refused to make a poor financial decision. At some point, individual Americans have to own up to the fact that they had some part in this mess and stop blaming government for not saving us from ourselves.'

Do you really believe that government does not play a role in regulating industries that prey on the weak. You may blame individual Americans Joe, but the fact remains that the whole financial system of the US is unravelling and the little guy isn't going to be able to fix it. What will McCain do since he thinks the economy is fundamentally strong, but he would really like to start a war with Iran and Russia? Who will pay for it? Who will pay for the war in Iraq? Is the small mortgage holder and investor responsible for these bad decisions too? Give your head a shake.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

THE NECOONS IN THE VIEW OF ANYONE WITH COMMON SENSE, WHOULD EXPECT THEM TO BE IN MELTDOWN EXCEPT FOR THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA AND THEIR FABRICATED POLLS BECAUSE THE OWNERS OF THIS MEDIA HAVE MORE TO LOSE BY HAVING OBAMA IN THE WHITE HOUSE AS DO THE MAJORITY OF THE BILLIONAIRES CLUB FROM OIL TO DEFENSE TO MEDIA!

WITH THE NEOCONS, THEY CAN BE BAILED, SUBSIDISED, RECEIVE US TAXPAYER'S MONEY BUT NOT WITH OBAMA IF YOU ARE NOT GOOD AT WHAT YOU DO!

Posted by: NOURI | September 15, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

they know more than McCain does

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk6_odKcjXI

THANKS FOR TELLING IT STRAIGHT LADIES!!

Posted by: Alaskan Women On Palin | September 15, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

We must note that Phil Gramm snuck in some of the gravest deregulation legislation which led to our current situation.

Posted by: BB | September 15, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is a sell-out and exposed he is just a typical Republican politician by picking Palin. He picked her to appease his base, poach Hillary votes and stoke a culture divide. Even Britain and Europe know Obama is the better candidate.

The only people who don’t get it are the brainwashed right-wing puppets who think that just because someone has a speech draw and likes to fish that somehow makes politicians just like them or the best candidate to run the government. I like Tina Fey too, that doesn’t mean he should run the country. Are we really this foolish? Palin wasn’t the best or most qualified, it’s because mcCain knew she would be a draw to small town America whom they are duping (Sara Palin ain’t like you, folks).

How is this being a "maverick"? How is it ‘Country First”? How is this “I rather win a war than loose an election”? I’ll say it again, John McCain is a sell-out. Obama said it pretty accurately too - Lipstick on a pig, is still a pig.

The most important metric for picking a VP is they are ready to step in from day one. His judgment is reckless and he gambled at our expense. The mere fact Palin is being educated on foreign policy and is avoiding the press indicates she wasn’t prepared on day one. She is running for the second highest office, but can’t answer questions from the press or public? This doesn’t alarm anyone?

I lost all my respect for John McCain. He's not the hero today he was 35 years ago. McCain is nothing without Palin.

What does it say about a campaign that has to "mimic" what and whom Obama is, not to mention hijack Obamas core message of Change from day one just to poach votes? Is that all they view Obama as, a "product" a "formula", a “personality”? It makes McCain look weak and more importantly, the American people stupid if they fall for it.

Now all these puppets are willing to just get behind her without even knowing anything about her and try to convince the American public she is prepared to be VP or President? Not even uncertain objectiveness, caution, pause or question just because she has an "R" in front of her name? How can anyone make a honest, clear determination reasonably in less than 60 days.

Bravo America! We look like complete idiots once again while the world watches. I am truly embarrassed of my country. I guess all isn’t lost, at least many will have Palin’s eye glass frames while our country crumbles economically. We are such tools.

If Palin/McCain win I'm leaving this country. I’m not paying for a war that should have never happened or failed Bush policies any more than I already have.

British Prime Minister Backs Obama
http://waugh.standard.co.uk/2008/09/brown-backs-oba.htm

World wants Obama
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/09/09/2360240.htm?section=world

Posted by: Laura | September 15, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Madhatter--

Don't let the facts get away with a good rant--but when Reagan was a Democrat--you know the Kennedy years--JFK ran on a platform of lowering taxes.

ps Clinton ran a budget surplus--90% of deficits come from Reagan and the two bushies.

Posted by: Chris | September 15, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I believe that Obama's position is already outlined: government investment in developing green technology, perhaps even the revival of a WPA-like program. Government has to assume a bigger role: private business is not going to do it on its own.

Posted by: John Van Horn | September 15, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous: "*NEW POLL* OBAMA ONLY LEADS IN NY BY 5%"

Is that your hope, that McCain is going to win New York?

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

Posted by: BB | September 15, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

George Soros hedge fund, Obama supporting economic policy.

Posted by: NoBo | September 15, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse


Four more years.

Posted by: Faildozer | September 15, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

McCain will, yet again, pull out the ole "Noun, Verb, POW" card to shield himself from any criticism over this subject. But this is simply not the case. Instead, McCain suffers from PTCRHMHIOD, or Post Traumatic Can't Remember How Many Houses I Own Disorder. This horrible condition has forever altered the lives of countless Vietnam Vets after their return to the States. In fact, it is the number one cause of divorce between former POWs and their millionaire liquor-heiress wives.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxT0s_I5WtA
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Posted by: JennyinOhio | September 15, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

All these executives have big life insurance policies. Why don't we start arranging some "heart attacks" like we did for Ken Lay when he was threatening to come forward with the details of Cheney's Energy Policy Consultation.

Posted by: Mulder | September 15, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

*NEW POLL* OBAMA ONLY LEADS IN NY BY 5%

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

I don't see what the difference is between the kind of naked propaganda someone like Chevy (in the comments above) emits and old-style Communist propaganda, except for which side he is on.

Posted by: Gene Venable | September 15, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Who is in charge on Democrat Tax Policy?

Charlie Rangel is caught cheating, lying, committing fraud, and Nancy Pelosi says he should remain chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee.

Among the new discrepancies:

--Rangel's papers over the past 10 years show no reference to the sale of a home he once owned on Colorado Avenue in Washington.

--The details of a property bought in Sunny Isles, Fla., are bewildering at best. The stated value changes significantly from year to year, and even page to page, from $50,000 to $100,000 all the way up to $500,000.

--Some of the entries for investment funds fluctuate strangely, suggesting that the person either didn't have accurate information or didn't fill out the paperwork correctly.

Rangel spent the past week trying to answer questions about his ethics and his finances.

He acknowledged that he owes the Internal Revenue Service about $5,000 in back taxes for unreported income from the rental of his vacation villa, and probably a smaller amount to state and city tax collectors.

The congressman acknowledged he made mistakes but said they were errors of omission and should not lead to the loss of his high position in Congress.

The home in the Dominican Republic has proven a major embarrassment to the 78-year-old Rangel, who conceded he never reported the rental income over a 20-year period, received a no-interest mortgage on the place for more than half that time and claims to have no idea what it is worth today.

The ethics committee is also investigating Rangel's rental of three rent-stabilized apartments in his home district of Harlem, as well as his use of official congressional stationery to try to find private donors for a college center named after the lawmaker.

Posted by: Karen | September 15, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

HESS -- Thanks for the great post!

Posted by: marmac5 | September 15, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

You liberals must be smoking some funny stuff to believe that Obama-Biden the most far-left liberal tax-and-spenders in the Senate would improve our economy. When the liberal Democrat-Socialists controlled congress for more than 50 years (pre-Reagan), they ALWAYS RAISED TAXES ON EVERYBODY. Even when they raised these on businesses and corporations, it was passed on to the consumer with higher prices and higher costs for services so the average working Joe and Jane had to pay for it. They'd create all kinds of special programs--designed to get them votes and to he** with the taxpayers--and then just increase taxes to pay for it. A Obama-Biden administration would be more of the same. If you think you're paying high taxes now, then just wait until these two liberal Socialists start taxing the cra* out of all the working stiffs who have to pay the piper. Like George Santana once said, 'if you haven't learned anything from history you're bound to repeat it'. With the liberal Democrat-Socialist history of always socking it to the working people every time that they're in control of our governments pursestrings, it's amazing that there are still a lot of fools out there that believe this BS line, and also amazing that the Democrat Socialists are using the lower taxes as a political campaign issue.

Posted by: madhatter | September 15, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I HOPE CHRIS CILLIZZA IS NOT SERIOUS WITH THIS ARTICLE!!!HOW CAN YOU TRY TO TEST MCCAIN AS A CANDIDATE DURING THIS CRISIS WHEN HE IS PART OF THIS NEOCON CRISIS AND HE IS ALSO PART OF THE NEOCONS FABRIC FROM BUSH TO KARL ROVE WHO IS RUNNING HIS CAMPAIGN!

AS FOR OBAMA HE WAS STATING IT LONG AGO TIME TO STRENGTHEN THE MIDDLE CLASS AND BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN THE MIDDLE CLASS AND THE TOP 1% OF THE NATION AND HIS VISION HAS ALWAYS BEEN CALLING FOR REAL CHANGE.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH OF THIS WASHINGTON STATUS QUO. NO WONDER THE MAINSTREM MEDIA DOESNT WANT TO USE OBJECTIVE ANALYSIS BECAUSE THE MEDIA OWNERS WANT A CONTINUATION OF THIS STATUS QUO AND A SUPPORT OF MCCAIN/PALIN!

THIS A COMEDY AND A SAD STATE OF AFFAIRS OF THE COUNTRY AND THE MESS IS CLERAR FOR EVERYONE TO SEE AND WHO IS REPSONSIBLE ABOUT IT AND YET DEMOCRATS HAS TO SHOW THAT THEY ARE UP TO THE TASK TO EARN THE WHITE HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: NOURI | September 15, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

What do you mean Obama and McCain can't do anything as presidential candidates, THEY'RE BOTH U.S. SENATORS. They can introduce legislation aimed at reforming the banking industry co-sponsored by members of the Banking Committee, they can get with their respective party leaders in the Senate about how Congress can address this issue, etc.

And you call yourself a political blogger when you ignore the fact that the two major presidential candidates are both senators by saying there's nothing they can do? you can't be serious...

Posted by: Alan | September 15, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

John McCain’s a Republican Patriot? Yea. Right.

When I was a Republican, pre-2003, we would not have tolerated someone who…

-Voted in lockstep with a President who took the Federal Debt from $5.7 Trillion to $9.5 trillion, in 8 years. (darn liberals!) (PS. It’s $11 bill when you count the nationalization of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae.) Nationalized? Like France? But isn’t that socialism? Yup.We spent 19% of tax revenues and $432,000,000,000.00 on interest this year. Socialism? Oh god yes, the government grew 57% under Bush, the Debt 70%. For what again? At least the French get some services.

-Says “The issue of economics is not something I’ve understood as well as I should,”

-Did not mention, not once, the extremely dangerous deficit in his Convention speech. What happened to Gramm-Rudman? Times have changed huh? The greatest threat to our nation did not get mentioned? Did the Wall Street Journal note as much? Did they notice who McCain’s economic advisor was? Gramm. The hypocrisy meter just exploded.)

-Voted to pursue the ‘debacle by choice’ of an Iraq War while Bin Laden and Zawahari continue to mock us from Afghanistan. ( 5.5 years, 1 tril, 4200 dead, Iran emboldened, and no surge parade?)

-Supported Bush’s efforts to hide the fact that he was standing on the wall when the nation got attacked. The Repubs let us down as low as we could go! National Security? Please.

-Supported a President who squandered 232 years of good will. Who wants to buy American stuff? No one. Obama puts the USA right back at the top of the heap. Do we want to lead the world, or be hated by it?

-Claims State ownership over my wife and daughter’s womb. (and we fought the Cold War because….?)

-Reneged on his pledge to remove the language in the Republican platform that demands my wife carry and birth a rapists’ child. (Fascist liar-that’s freedom?)

-Is an adulterer, having divorced his wife after a disfiguring car accident. (Oh my god. He’s one mean ‘maverick.’) What’s odd is that Palin’s ‘literal’ bible says we should stone him to death.

-Supported a President who used fear against the American people. (‘the only thing to fear is fear itself’ being what a real Patriot would say. )

-Gave up on whatever last principle he had in order to get elected. Country First? Please. Do we look that stupid? Do you really think that your base is that stupid?

--Whose VP has no experience after saying that ‘experience was the most important thing.’

-Called his 2nd wife a c*nt in public for joking about this hair.

-Roughly pushes ladies in wheelchairs when they displease him

-Has written extensively about his temper tantrums and rash decisions. (unstable)

-Chose someone who had met only once to be a heartbeat from the Presidency.

-Called the religious right agents of intolerance. Only to pandered to them in 2008, in a move that re-ignited the culture war in our nation. He’s not only willing to give up his most base principles, he is willing to declare civil war on his own nation in order to win.

John McCain ain’t no Patriot in the sense of loving his country more than he loves power, nope, he’s a Patriot in that’ last refuge of a scoundrel’ kind of way. What’s weird is that Republican’s like him at all. He’s not conservative. He’s a contortionist.

The problem being that the country can’t survive another 4 years of the Repubs duping the world. We went from 5.7 trillion in debt to 11 trillion in eight years. The Repubs have given way the shop, socialists to the core, like it or not. And to the Middle Class? Wow, I can’t believe for one second that anyone would vote for the Centi-Millionaire McCain. Unless they do.

Unless he wins. At which point the country will have made it’s choice. They will have chosen to continue down the path of recklessness. And our country will be a third world nation by 2020. Socialized, and fascistized, by Republicans of all things!

Can anyone of you Republicans explain why McCain did not mention our country’s gravest threat in his convention speech? The word debt and deficit never came up. Not once. This while Gramm, of the Gramm-Rudman balance budget amendment fame, McCain’s economic advisor, just sat there? Patriots? Traitors are more like it. When irresponsibility reaches that level, it’s plain reckless, which is criminal,. Which makes McCain a traitor as far as old Repubs go. He can tell his POW sob story till the cows come home, his record seems to indicate that he was simply a failed pilot. And he’s way past the limit when it comes to milking one’s own sad tale for personal gain. Toughen up Johnnie, stop whining about how you got captured by the enemy. Sheesh, John Wayne never would have gotten captured. And get a frickin' computer for crying out loud. If you can high five Sarah Palin, you can type. Whiner.

Posted by: Rob L. | September 15, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

To HESS:

All extremely good points. Kudos.

Posted by: Xander | September 15, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I trust neither one of them. In 1992 the governor of a small, southern state, with no claim to economic knowledge, promised to focus on the economy like a laser. In 2008 we have "fundamentally strong," which is more or less correct, combined with we'll do something about Wall Street eventually versus, Americans are in pain and McCain will just continue Bush's policies. Neither one of them has said what needs to be done. Despite everyone knowing for about a year now that the economy was going to be THE issue. If you can't be bothered to study and think about what you know will be the determining factor in the biggest election of your life, why should someone vote for either one of you?

Pox on both their houses.

Posted by: muD | September 15, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Obviously the problem is that the financial sector is too over-regulated. We need to get rid of all remaining regulation!

Also, we should give more tax cuts to millionaires, because no one looks out for us more than the nation's plutocrats. God bless em.

Posted by: BB | September 15, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Both candidates would be smarter to sit down with their economic advisers and plot out a plan rather than issue a statement that later they may regret.

Posted by: Alan | September 15, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Ted Land (907) 762-9269 of KTUU TV an NBC affiliate in Alaska who did the news story of a hugh rally in Alaska against Sarah Palin. I told him that I was amazed that none of the networks carried or asked for any of the footage. He said that he was just as amazed as I was especially when NBC did not request any footage. He also said that CNN was there. I told him the only story that I heard concerning a protest on CNN was about Oprah. What's going on here folks? I found out about the story at KTTU.COM There are a lot of people especially women, democrats and republicans unlike who disagreeD with Palin and thinks she's dangerous for the country. The protest started with 8 to 10 women sitting around realizing that Palin doesn't represent them. A nasty radio host broadcast their names over the airways and others tried to stop the rally. It was big news in Alaska and you can see the story on KTTU.COM website. This goes to show you that Rick Davis has far reaching arms. Palin will be hidden from the legit media as well as any negative press. Alaska is a small community so there will be some backlash but still these people weren't afraid to speak out. What happen to our press coverage here about the protest IN ALASKA. CALL TED AND ASK HIM ABOUT THE STORY

Posted by: NBC, CNN NEVER AIRED THE PROTEST | September 15, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/mccain-adviser-quit-doling-out-that-bad.html


Sunday, September 14, 2008
McCain Adviser: "Quit Doling Out That Bad-Economy Line". Also: "Up is Down", "Bad equals Good"

From "Quit Doling Out That Bad-Economy Line" by McCain Adviser Donald Luskin, Op-Ed, Washington Post, September 14.

Things today just aren't that bad. Sure, there are trouble spots in the economy, as the government takeover of mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and jitters about Wall Street firm Lehman Brothers, amply demonstrate. And unemployment figures are up a bit, too. None of this, however, is cause for depression...

Full disclosure: I'm an adviser to John McCain's campaign...


Yes.

And black is white.

And up is down, you see.

Freedom is slavery.

Injustice is truth.

I know. A McCain adviser told me so.


This is not the understanding of the average struggling American McCain wants to portray.

This is what we will receive.

Another Bush era.

Personified.

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/mccain-adviser-quit-doling-out-that-bad.html

Posted by: Robert Hewson | September 15, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

You know what would fix this? More Republican governance!

No one knows competent governance like them Republicans! Nosiree.

Posted by: BB | September 15, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Oh the Republican trolls are beginning to sweat. They are tap, tap, tapping on their keyboards as fast as they can: 'don't look at your 401K, don't look at the price of gas, don't look at your mortgage payment increase just look at how pretty Palin is and how Obama is a Muslim and oh yeah Obama is evil he caused all the problems we are feeling today.'

You guys are pathetic trying to blame the financial meltdown in the US on the Democrats and Obama. Next you will be blaming Santa Claus and the tooth fairy. Give it up. Hope you all sink in the quagmire your glorious leader Bush and his crony friends created for you.

Posted by: DH | September 15, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

The choice is pretty clear and simple to me: Obama wants to bring out troops home and give tax cuts to restore the middle class in this country. McCain wants a $3.6 trillion dollar tax on health care benefits to pay for a never ending conflict in Iraq and a future conflict with Russia.

Obama = economic security at home, American respect abroad

McCain = More wars and less prosperity

Why is it so hard for the Democrats to carry this simple message?

Posted by: Out of toucn MaC | September 15, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Dow down 300 points...AGAIN? Thanks Bush/Cheney/McCain!

Posted by: Donny | September 15, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

The banking collapse is caused by 2 things: trading of unsecured mortgage backed securities (banking industry's fault); and Americans taking out mortgages to buy WAY more home than they could reasonably afford. Instead of blaming those in the White House or those up on Capitol Hill, let's talk about taking personal financial responsibility. Sure, when I bought my home, the bank offered to loan my tons more money and I could have bought a bigger home, but I knew how much take home money I have each month and refused to make a poor financial decision. At some point, individual Americans have to own up to the fact that they had some part in this mess and stop blaming government for not saving us from ourselves.

Posted by: Joe Main Street | September 15, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Could the right wingers here be any more desperate? Amazing how they are so oblivious to the real world and are so stuck in their obsession over the liberals.

Bottom line is that you right wingers represent less than 1/3rd of the voting public. Another 1/3rd of the voting public has the EXACT opposite view of you (i.e. the left wingers). That leaves the middle voters, who just cannot relate to your extreme partisanship and hate of liberals.

Keep singing your own tune and see where that gets you in November. This financial crisis is serious and real, and people who don't just blindly tow the Republican line are going to have their vote effected by all this. Amazing how you right wing nuts play the fiddle while your Rome is burning down. The majority of Americans do not bury their heads in the sand like you do when Republican presidents and policies fail drastically. Keep looking the other way, though... that's the surest way to hand the White House to Barack Obama.

Posted by: ErrinF | September 15, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans have controlled the executive and legislative branchs of government for eight years. The result has been bad for business and bad for labor. Why would anyone hand the reigns of government over to McCain/Palin who offer nothing but more of the same with the brunt of the suffering being shifted to the middle class with more trickle down economics talk and tough on spending posturing.

Unless you are administrating a tiny population with a big surplus, like in the rare case of the state of Alaska, that fiscal doctrine just doesn’t fly anymore. We are in a brutal global economy where businesses can just close down the USA factories and hand our jobs over to foreign employees. It’s the fourth world and we need brave new leadership. Frankly, I have not heard Sen Obama articulate an innovative and brazen new fiscal policy to revamp the economy, but at least he has displayed the judgement,intellect and independent thought show he has the potential to think outside of the box and inspire the country to move in a different direction.

Posted by: Madeleine | September 15, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Wow, I can't believe that 1.1 million* people showed up in Boulder to hear Sarah "Hack" Palin read from the teleprompter.

* as confirmed by the McCain Campaign

Posted by: Losercuda | September 15, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

On top of the financial mess I'm a little confused on other things as well. Let me see if I have this straight.....

* If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're 'exotic, different.'
* Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, a quintessential American story.

* If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
* Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick.

* Graduate from Harvard Law School and you are unstable.
* Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.

* If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.
* If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive.

* If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.
* If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.

* If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.

* If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you're very responsible.

* If your wife is a Harvard graduate laywer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner-city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America's.
* If you're husband is nicknamed 'First Dude,' with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.

Posted by: HESS | September 15, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

THE GENESIS OF THE ECONOMIC DISASTER WAS 'THE CONTRACT WITH AMERICA INITIATED BY GINGRICH AND EXECUTED BY BUSH AND COMPANY'. THE 'NO REGULATION' FOLLY CREATED A ENVIRONMENT OF CORPORATE SLEAZE AND SENSE OF FREEDOM TO DO ACT WITH OUT OF FEAR OF THE LAW BECAUSE THERE ARE NONE, THEY WERE WIPED OUT BY THIS 'MINDLESS REVOLUTIONARIES' OBAMA SEAMS TO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS BECAUSE HE NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

Posted by: vidal | September 15, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I now see that no Republican is willing to answer to this post. Your answer is clear, you agree, but can't admit it.
..........................
Two Questions for Republicans:
Is the equation below true or false? Or do you people even care?

M C C A I N = W A R...W I T H...I R A N

W A R...W I T H...I R A N = W A R...
W I T H...R U S S I A..A N D..C H I N A

M C C A I N = N U C L E A R...W A R

O B A M A...S H O U L D...R E R U N
...T H E...D A I S Y...A D

Posted by: JTS | September 15, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Obama once again proves to America he's not who he says he is.

PAPER: OBAMA TRIED TO STALL GIS' IRAQ WITHDRAWAL... Posted from DRUDGE

This is a monster because it goes against exactly the position Obama painted himself to be

Again Obama says one thing then does just the opposite.

This racist Muslim doesn't have a preayer, besided you can't believe a word he says.

Chevy

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

What happened to the banking regulation of the 90's? The poor underwriting and securitization of high-risk loans would not have occurred in the 90's because of tight regulation of banks. Who is to blame for the absence of oversight and failure to regulate investment banks? How much of this problem can be laid at the feet of Phil Gramm?

Posted by: nick | September 15, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

LOL, drindl. Polls taken before this financial crisis are worthless. Let's see how the polls stand after all this.

Posted by: ErrinF | September 15, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

What happened to the banking regulation of the 90's? The poor underwriting and securitization of high-risk loans would not have occurred in the 90's because of tight regulation of banks. Who is to blame for the absence of oversight and failure to regulate investment banks? How much of this problem can be laid at the feet of Phil Gramm?

Posted by: nick | September 15, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:51 PM O'Reilly, and Hannity, and all their yuppy buddies should just go back to their chablis and bree, and let the rest of us judge the obvious for ourselves. Obama wants to lower taxes for people like me, and raise them for people like McCain who own 100 houses. In our 1 household last year, we had an income of $60k. Obama is the only candidate that will see to it that I get to keep more of that $60k for myself.
===========================
From the O'Reilly/Obama interview:
"That's class warfare," O'Reilly objected. "You're taking the wealthy in America, the big earners . . . you're taking money away from them and you're giving it to people who don't. That's called income redistribution. It's a socialist tenet. Come on, you know that."

"Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill," Obama replied. "Teddy Roosevelt supported a progressive income tax." He acknowledged that he doesn't enjoy paying taxes either - "you think I like writing the check?" - but that "there are certain things we've got to do." His tax proposal, he explained, was a matter of civility:

"If I am sitting pretty and you've got a waitress who is making minimum wage plus tips, and I can afford it and she can't, what's the big deal for me to say, I'm going to pay a little bit more? That's neighborliness." If that is Obama's rationale for making the tax code even more steeply progressive than it already is, it's no wonder voters are having second thoughts about his economic aptitude.
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To Anonymous -- If Obama wanted to increase taxes on people making $60K or higher, and lower taxes for those making less, you would be kicking and screaming. You must know that millions of people are making less than $60K/year and consider that amount a LOT of money.

Posted by: Sean | September 15, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

McCain - "The fundamentals of the economy are strong."

((sigh)) Please McCain; just tell the American public what is fundamentally strong in today’s Economy!
- Stocks? Nope!
- Social Security? Nope!
- Mortgage? Nope!
- Healthcare prices? Nope!
- The American dollar? Nope!
- Unemployment? Nope!
- Gas prices? Nope!

Oh; I get it - You’re wealthy, and have more houses than you can count…therefore, the “Economy is fundamentally strong.”

Posted by: Enough! | September 15, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Palin accused of Cheating with her Husbands Best Friend.
http://www.hotpres.com

Palin New Attack on Obama
http://www.TheVeep.com

Obama may ditch Biden and Pick new VP
http://www.TheObamaPlan.com

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Great News for OBama

PAPER: OBAMA TRIED TO STALL GIS' IRAQ WITHDRAWAL... Posted from Drudge

Chevy

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Your mommy says it's time for lunch.

Posted by: Urgent message for queenofpuke | September 15, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I am just curious why no body is blaming the banks for getting themselves into their own mess? They will loan money to anyone for homes - or what have you - and then expect the federal government to rescue them? This financial collapse (in my opinion) is all to blame on the institutions and their disregard of who they are lending money to. My other question is, whether or not you agree with either party, McCain is out there giving his explanantions and solutions and all Obama can do is attack and tell everybody how ignorant McCain is. Seriously people the collapse of the economy was bound to happen, now our tax dollars are fixing someone else's greedy mistakes.

Posted by: KAM | September 15, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

This financial crisis is a game changer for the presidential race. McCain can kiss his thin lead in the polls goodbye. Palin's honeymoon period is officially over.

We all know what party wins when it's the economy, stupid. This financial crisis will be blamed on Bush and the GOP more than anybody else, at least in the political realm. That means McCain and Palin have an uphill battle ahead of them.

Once again, it is shown that, due to the failed leadership of Bush and the Republicans, the political climate in 2008 is on Obama's side. This is how the Bush era ends... with the economy in turmoil and the president (and his party) still deeply unpopular.

Posted by: ErrinF | September 15, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

I had an Obama campaign foot soldier come to my door this weekend and before I could even say "not interested", he looked to the ground, nodded, and shrugged his shoulders as if to say, "I know. I know."

I almost felt bad for him. Almost.

Posted by: Brian | September 15, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

John McCain, who would not sell his soul to win his party’s nomination, is ready to sell every piece of his soul to win the presidency.

Posted by: politicjock | September 15, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

the latest polls indicate that THE ONE is stumbling in NH, MI and Minnesota. something brown is circling the bowl. flush it down.

Posted by: drindl | September 15, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

ECONOMIC CRISIS OBAMA'S BLESSING IN DISGUISE -- IF HE ACTS QUICKLY

• But he's got to counter the Palin Effect because the election has become a personality pageant

Both campaigns appear to have been caught flat-footed in their response to this crisis, which has been simmering for some time.

Obama should have rolled out his economic team of advisers to announce concrete steps he would take in his first hundred days to combat the crisis. Instead, the campaign today left it to Joe Biden to enunciate the same old generalities.

Ditto with McCain. He really had nothing to offer but rhetoric; same for Palin in her Colorado appearance -- although she's able to say nothing with a folksy everywoman style that's as mesmerizing as it is vapid.

McCain and Palin say they will "reform" Wall Street and the regulatory agencies, without giving any specifics.

With Phil Graham still on his team, McCain risks earning the "business as usual" label. But Obama's performance to date on the economy hasn't been much better. Where's the Obamanomics Team? Show us your money muscle, Barack. The economy issue gives you another opportunity to tell voters that electing McCain is akin to voting for a Bush third term.

Even if Obama goes after Bush/McCain on the economy, he's still faced with the stark fact that Sarah Palin has turned the race into a personality contest.

And with the Obama camp stubbornly refusing to counter the Palin Effect, the Dems are coming up with the short straw.

In a way, the economic crisis provides a fresh opening for Obama to show his administrative chops by wheeling out his Obamanomics Squad to offer specific solutions.

He should do so by Thursday, so as to catch the media cycle for the weekend papers and chat shows.


Why Obama must counter the Palin Effect:

http://members.nowpublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener | September 15, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

I got a splinter. barack, help me, the government should do something.

Can I also get my car washed?

Posted by: crying lib | September 15, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Republicans don't seem to understand that we organize government to take care of matters that must not fail. Since some failure is inevitable, that means the executive must be someone who not only accepts failure but knows how to work around it.


Do-overs are not an option; neither is doing nothing.


Apparently, if you listen to them closely, McCain is into do-overs big time and Palin is into doing nothing. Her prescription for economic failure is for bureaucrats to sit back and watch the private sector handle it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH0xzsogzAk&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/12/231843/400

Posted by: Fran | September 15, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

the cut and paste from Kos and Huff have returned. a sign the brain dead likes of the cowardly Libs have run out of gas. they are terrified at the thought of a fair campaign based on issues. Watch while they dig in the mud for personal attacks on Sarah Palin - all to hide the utter ineptitude of their own candidates. biden is now flying solo with not even NBC (national barack channel ) on board. the collective "who Cares" is evident.

We already know more about and have seen more questions answered from her, than THE ONE'e entire two year campaign to find himself. Perhaps, when he finally does discover his true calling, he can let us all know what it is all about.

Until, then, he will continue to toe the Liberal line in every circumstance. his change is the change from realistic and practical to extreme liberal and costly with no promise of success. He can't even admit to this day that the surge was a success. what does he know about success? His only victory was in beating a known criminal for the nomination.

Posted by: kingofzouk | September 15, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Expect bushco to suspend the constitution and run the country from wherever cheney is at any given moment to deal with the economic perfect storm they created, you know, in the interest of national security. once all their money is safe, they all move to anywhere that does NOT have an extradition treaty with us. good job, junior!

elect barry and joe, or else. no matter what they bring to the table, it CANNOT be worse than what 43 and 43.5 have wrought.

repeat: ELECT Barry and Joe, or else.

Posted by: PreAmerikkkan | September 15, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

If Bush was a puppet of oil companies, defense contractors, and other big businesses, McCain is more of the same. All one has to do is look at the people running the McCain campaign. It's filled with the worst kind of lobbyists, and the campaign is funded with federal lobbyist and PAC money, too.


Wake up, America! The country desperately needs real change. We can't allow these powerful interests to continue running our government.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRpIfTDHG2U&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/14/203255/447
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Posted by: astral99 | September 15, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

The first poster hit the nail on the head. The Repugnantcans have created the current crisis by providing poor oversight whilst raking in the cash for the personal bank accounts. Corporate tax cuts, and tax cuts for the wealthy while saddling the middle class with Regressive Tax policies that widen the gap between the top 1% (like McCain or Bush) and the rest of us.

If the disparity in money donated by Wall Street to political campaigns currently shows that the Democrats are receiving more donations this proves that the Wall Street experts understand that the Repugnantcans have grievously mismanaged the economy for eight years, and it is time for change.

Posted by: Bill W | September 15, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

In yesterday's Washington Post a McCain econmic advisor wrote a column speaking about the strength of the economy, defending Phil Grahm, and referring to the situation on Wall Street as 'the jitters.' John McCain is out of touch. You can't have Phil Grahm as your chief economic guru and be a reformer, those two things are mutually exclusive. If the current econmic crisis has a Father it is Phil Grahm. I guess that makes John McCain the Godfather.

Posted by: Walt Forest | September 15, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing wrong with being happily stinking rich and utterly detached like McCain is. Nothing, that is, unless you make criticizing your political opponent as "elitist" and "out of touch" a centerpiece of your campaign. Rick Davis, speaking on behalf of his $100 million man John McCain, earlier this month offered the latest formulation of Barack Obama as an effete, aloof denizen of the upper class:

"Only celebrities like Barack Obama go to the gym three times a day, demand 'MET-RX chocolate roasted-peanut protein bars and bottles of a hard-to-find organic brew - Black Forest Berry Honest Tea' and worry about the price of arugula."

Of course, Davis' "arugula war" is just another attempt at misdirection. After all, John McCain's $5 million threshold where "you move from middle class to rich" is just the latest episode of his enduring disconnect from the real lives of the American people.


For starters, McCain in April declared that there had been "great progress economically" during the Bush years. On more than one occasion, he diagnosed Americans' concerns over the dismal U.S. economy as "psychological." (Phil Gramm, McCain's close friend and adviser supposedly excommunicated over his "whiners" remarks, was back with the campaign last week.)

McCain, a man who owns eight homes nationwide, in March lectured Americans facing foreclosure that they ought to be "doing what is necessary -- working a second job, skipping a vacation, and managing their budgets -- to make their payments on time." And when all else fails, McCain told the people of the economically devastated regions in Martin County, Kentucky and Youngstown, Ohio, there's always eBay.


In his defense, McCain's shocking tone-deafness may just be a matter of perspective. When you're as well off as he is, anything below a $5 million income (a figure exceeding that earned on average by the top 0.1% of Americans) seems middle class.


*The $100 Million Man*
Courtesy of his wife Cindy's beer distribution fortune (one her late father apparently chose not to share with her half-sister Kathleen), the McCains are worth well over $100 million. (In the two-page tax summary she eventually released to the public, Cindy McCain reported another $6 million in 2006.) As Salon reported back in 2000, the second Mrs. McCain's millions were essential in launching her husband's political career. Unsurprisingly, the Weekly Standard's Matthew Continetti, who four years ago called Theresa Heinz-Kerry a "sugar mommy," has been silent on the topic of Cindy McCain.


*The Joys of (Eight) Home Ownership*
While fellow adulterer John Edwards was pilloried for his mansion, John McCain's eight homes around the country have received little notice or criticism. His properties include a 10 acre lake-side Sedona estate, euphemistically called a "cabin" by the McCain campaign, and a home featured in Architectural Digest. The one featuring "remote control window coverings" was recently put up for sale. Still, their formidable resources did not prevent the McCains from failing to pay taxes on a tony La Jolla, California condo used by Cindy's aged aunt.


*The Anheuser-Busch Windfall*
As it turns out, the beauty of globalization is in the eye of the beholder. While John McCain apparently played a critical role in facilitating DHL's takeover of Airborne (and with it, the looming loss of 8,000 jobs in Wilmington, Ohio), Cindy McCain is set to earn a staggering multi-million dollar pay-day from the acquisition of Anheuser-Busch by the Belgian beverage giant, In Bev. As the Wall Street Journal reported in July, Mrs. McCain runs the third largest Anheuser-Busch distributorship in the nation, and owns between $2.5 and $5 million in the company's stock. Amazingly, while Missouri's politicians of both parties lined up to try to block the sale, John McCain held a fundraiser in the Show Me State even as the In Bev deal was being finalized.


*McCain's $370,000 Personal Tax Break*
Earlier this year, the Center for American Progress analyzed John McCain's tax proposals. The conclusion? McCain's plan is radically more regressive than even that of President Bush, delivering 58% of its benefits to the wealthiest 1% of American taxpayers. McCain's born-again support for the Bush tax cuts has one additional bonus for Mr. Straight Talk: the McCains would save an estimated $373,000 a year.


*Paying Off $225,000 Credit Card Debt - Priceless*
That massive windfall from his own tax plan will come in handy for John McCain. As was reported in June, the McCains were carrying over $225,000 in credit card debt. The American Express card - don't leave your homes without it.


*Charity Begins at Home*
As Harpers documented earlier this year, the McCains are true believers in the old saying that charity begins at home:

Between 2001 and 2006, McCain contributed roughly $950,000 to [their] foundation. That accounted for all of its listed income other than for $100 that came from an anonymous donor. During that same period, the McCain foundation made contributions of roughly $1.6 million. More than $500,000 went to his kids' private schools, most of which was donated when his children were attending those institutions. So McCain apparently received major tax deductions for supporting elite schools attended by his children.
Ironically, the McCain campaign blasted Barack Obama for having attended a private school in Hawaii on scholarship. That attack came just weeks after John McCain held an event at his old prep school, Episcopal High, an institution where fees now top $38,000 a year.


*Private Jet Setters*
As the New York Times detailed back in April, John McCain enjoyed the use of his wife's private jet for his campaign, courtesy of election law loopholes he helped craft. Despite the controversy, McCain continued to use Cindy's corporate jet. For her part, Cindy McCain says that even with skyrocketing fuel costs, "in Arizona the only way to get around the state is by small private plane."


*Help on the Homefront*
In these tough economic times, the McCains are able to stretch their household budget. As the AP reported in April, "McCain reported paying $136,572 in wages to household employees in 2007. Aides say the McCains pay for a caretaker for a cabin in Sedona, Ariz., child care for their teenage daughter, and a personal assistant for Cindy McCain."


*Well-Heeled in $520 Shoes*
If clothes make the man, then John McCain has it made. As Huffington Post noted in July, "He has worn a pair of $520 black leather Ferragamo shoes on every recent campaign stop - from a news conference with the Dalai Lama to a supermarket visit in Bethlehem, PA." It is altogether fitting that McCain wore the golden loafers during a golf outing with President George H.W. Bush in which he rode around in cart displaying the sign, "Property of Bush #41. Hands Off."

Posted by: McCain = Bush's third term | September 15, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

I know, I know. Raise Taxes. whenever I get a question I don't know the answer to, which is frankly, pretty much all the questions anyone dares to ask THE ONE, I reply with the well-established liberal chanting lines from the 60s.

If that doesn't work for you try "Profit is Evil", "soak the rich". "government can solve this" or my favorite - "we know better how to spend your money than you do."

now can I get back to my waffle?

Posted by: snObama | September 15, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Wonder if it is true that the actual candidate that bumps off mutual opponent wins in November regardless of issues and poll numbers?

Apparently the mutual opponent is wealthy, exposed corruption within both parties and is specifically targeted now.

Wonder how will he be bumped off?

Will the Dems use an OJ Simpson-like, black convict with jail time?

Will GOP use a Guiliani-like mob ties like his protege ex-NYPD commissioner used and got indicted for 140 years of jail or Gotti, Jr. who is standing on trial today for conspiracy and murder charges?

Will both parties employ the popular law enforcement practice of 'sweetheart exchange deals' where convict commit crime/murder in exchange for less jail time, conveniently covered up and real culprits not publicly suspected?

Will we too be targeted and have to worry about our personal safety as we share this information? For example, does my husband have to worry about his life while jogging after work today in the Hackensack/Bogota, NJ areas as our habits and plans are known in advanced with bugging devices both in private and public places? Will our car be tampered with? Is our food tampered with? Water? Etc.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Democrat tax policy -- Charlie Rangel -- I need a new accountant.

Obama wants a run on banks. We need leadership. Calm down.

Posted by: NoToBO | September 15, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

This is an opportunity for both candidates.

Obama gets to take back control of the campaign dialogue and focus it on his strongest issue.

McCain gets a chance to improve his stump speech on the economy and reassure voters that he won't be another Bush on fiscal/economic policy. He flubbed it this morning with that "strong fundamentals" quip, though.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: mp | September 15, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, but the bulk of the contributions from Wall Street are democrats, specifically Chris Dodd, Charlie Schumer and Barack Obama. Who is the chairman of the most powerful committee in Washington? Charlie Rangel, democrat from NY, who is now being exposed for tax fraud, lying on financial disclosure, having 4 rent subsidized luxury apartments (intended for low-income people). Charlie did not reprot the sale of a home last year, nor that he owned a luxury home in the Carribean that got a cushy no-interest loan from a well-connected slum lord.

Democrats are good on taxes? yeah, Democrat charlie Rangel got over real good on the US taxpayer.

Posted by: Karen | September 15, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac survived scrutiny by manipulating, cajoling, and lobbying politicians and hiring board members who were politicos (e.g. Jamie Gorelick) rather than mortgage gurus. They hired lobbyists, gave massive donations, obtained nice tax breaks, and sailed below the regulatory radar screen.

Of the 354 lawmakers who received money from Freddie and Fannie between 1989 and 2008, Sen. Chris Dodd received the most. But next was . . . drumroll . . . Barack Obama. Yup. And he was only there for three years. Not too much went to John McCain, about a sixth of what Obama received (h/t Glenn Reynolds.)

But, you say, maybe all the Fannie and Freddie employees who gave money just "liked" Obama. That might make sense with ordinary institutions. But these two had a game plan to influence and sway lawmakers for the purpose of keeping them on the government gravy train and out of the regulatory line of fire. It’s no coincidence that they"liked" Senate Banking Chairman Chris Dodd best of all.

So it would appear that this is precisely what Obama has been railing against: Washington insiders lining the pockets of other Washington insiders while the taxpayers ultimately have to foot the bill. The Agent of Change, it seems, didn't exactly walk the walk on this one.

Commentary by Jennifer Rubin

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse


O'Reilly, and Hannity, and all their yuppy buddies should just go back to their chablis and bree, and let the rest of us judge the obvious for ourselves. Obama wants to lower taxes for people like me, and raise them for people like McCain who own 100 houses. In our 1 household last year, we had an income of $60k. Obama is the only candidate that will see to it that I get to keep more of that $60k for myself.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

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