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I'm used to seeing HRC do well in the debates, but in this last one, Barack wiped the floor with HRC! She looked tired and defeated. What other's seem to view as the demeanor of a 'fighter' I saw as peeved, angry, and frustrated.

There were so many moments where HRC really tanked - the SNL thing, injecting herself into the Farrakhan thing, the 'bomb' Pakistan thing... just goes on.

Barack was brilliant with the 'reject and denounce' response. He was pitch perfect in giving HRC 'points' for humor, and then specifically discussing his larger point of inspiring people to come together. He was strong on all the issues (at least as strong as his opponent). And he pronounces 'Pakistan' correctly!

There is no question that both candidates are saying they will be doing a cut-and-run strategy with respect to the Iraq War. That is something that is being telegraphed to every terrorist in the world.

Iran has made it clear, if you pay attention, that when that happens there will be a tribute to pay at the Strait of Hormuz by their kidnapping sailors at sea and challenging one of our warships in the strait. Not to worry.... The oil companies will just pass that extra cost off to US at the gas pump.

Those U.S. men and women in Iraq prefer to fight terrorism in the streets of Baghdad than the streets of Los Angles, Dallas, Miami, and New York.

When the military is rushed back to the US by the leader of Obama Nation, though, he will not think to put them on the Border. Unemployment will skyrocket while the Border leaks like a sieve.

SO, when the refineries go up in flames in Obama Nation, remember who cut and ran.

I think the fact that she is getting the first question is not a bias. It is a courtesy of ladies first. As a woman, I think that was whiny. If you are strong woman, you accept that is simply a courtesy.

Clinton really missed her chance, she should have said if my pastor said and acted as Obama's did, I would have found another pastor and another church

"Med-ded-ve-dev...whatever." What???

Totally agree!!!!!!!

I think every Democrat should take a deep breath and read this:

Bamboozling the American electorate again

http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html

The Karl Rove Trojan horse of divide, conquer and destroy has worked quite well. These comments I'm sure make Rove proud. What a bunch of gullible people Obama/Rove supporters are.

Clinton doesn't even know Putin's successor's name!

It puts me in mind of 'It depends on what the meaning of 'is' is,

LIKE A SCENE FROM THE MATRIX

Watching Obama parry Clinton's attempted attack over the difference between "reject" and "denounce" puts me in mind of the movie "The Matrix" where the hero Neo slows time and movement so that it is mere child's play for him to avoid being hurt.

Healthcare: Obama wins, Hillary whined incessantly.

NAFTA: Clinton - blah, blah, blah, blah, blah...

Jewish vote: Obama reflects on history, Clinton tries to interject her own struggle in NY state.

So far, the best line is Obama's: Bush, with Clinton's support, drove the bus into the ditch. It's now how to get it (the US) out of the ditch.

So far, Obama wins the debate.

"hrc's try on the "reject" vs. "denounce" issue was awful, and then Obama's rebuttal was brilliant - an unforced error, and then a winner!"
-----avalle

Well put.

Is it just me or is HRC getting crushed. I must say that this debate has been her worst. I usually give her the win in the debates.

More and more, Americans are rejecting and renouncing Hillary Clinton's candidacy.

Integrity counts.

Individual responsibility is the key to government accountability.

Clean slate!
Barack Obama,
'08!

ah yes. Barack is secretly anti-semitic... now where did those kenyan pictures come from?

hrc's try on the "reject" vs. "denounce" issue was awful, and then Obama's rebuttal was brilliant - an unforced error, and then a winner!

"Tim, I faced a similar situation...and it looked like I would pay a price for it...and I was willing to take that stand.." Gee, now she is trying to insert herself into his answers. "Please let me loook good too!!".

She is so losing this debate.

uhmm, Farakhan endorsed hillary during her senate run?

HRC not disclosing her tax returns and campaign funding....? can we spell C-O-R-R-U-P-T-I-O-N . (makes me recollect white-water)

It is hard for me to believe that she is a suitable candidate for the Democratic Party!?

hmmm, softballs? the ole' wright implication of kinda' sorta' anti-semitism...

Haven't we had enough of the cannabalistic politics of the Clintons? They will eat their own party members when push comes to shove for power. Why in the world would we want to go back to another Clinton? The Clinton years were horrible. Not as bad as Bush, but non the less, they were horrible. They laid the ground work for many of the current problems. NAFTA, Subprime Mortgage, Immigration, Terrorism. Enough already. I could go on about the simple negativism of Clinton, but come on, vote for Obama.

Who won the MSNBC Democratic Debate in Cleveland Ohio?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=1788

.

hmmm, softballs? the ole' wright implication of kinda' sorta' anti-semitism...

A bold face liar and that is why she is losing.

HRC got totally bombed on the tax return question. Not a good answer. I am an Obama supporter and glibbly admit that Russert crushed her with that question.
In other news, Barack turned it around on the questioner when Tim tried to crush him with that clip.

um my staff is a little busy right now, uh half em are outside the NYTs, the rest on conference calls with the press complaining about the press, but I'll, um, get you those files, sometime soon...

She's urged expediency and transparency on her papers but needs time to get a tax return "together" that was filed years ago?

too busy in one week to put together tax info that should already be completed? She's too busy? Doesn't she have a staff?

Hillary's whole notion of "since he [Obama] came to the Senate we've had the same record on Iraq...its not about words its actions" is such a misguided point.

Now that we're _in_ Iraq, our options are very limited. No legislator is going to cut funding for troops in the field--nor should they. And withdrawal is very complex, potentially leaving a power vaccuum that will either be filled by total chaos and civil war or a resurgent Iran. Either would devastate US credibility in the region for decades (if its possible for US credibility to go any lower...). Essentially there's little to be done other than find competent diplomatic and military leadership and let them execute on the ground. The time for true leadership was at the beginning, before we got into this mess, and Hillary didn't show it. What really concerns me is that I think Hillary was actually against the idea of invasion, but voted as she did because of political expediency and an interest to position herself as a centrist for her upcoming presidential campaign...her vote shows either weakness of character, naivete or poor judgment...there's really no believable way to spin it positively for her.

And what was that weird smile while listening to the question which she is now not answering. How can she say she is more open then anyone? And how can she say she doesn't have time to release them?

or even earlier?!

why not now?

Oh. Good. God.

finally a question about transparency...

russert digging into her again - wow!

Finally the Tax Return issue is coming up. How will she answer???

Is Hillary Clinton still in this debate?

They aren't softball questions. He just answers better then she does.

And she is glaring again.

This rebuttal to Clinton's "I voted this way, he voted that way" is Obama's strongest point in the debate thus far.

Wow, they were about to give Obama his "gotcha" question and they accidentally run the wrong tape, setting up another softball for Obama.

Gee, how did that happen?

gosh, i could really use a pillow right now... hopefully someone can get me one soon enough.

So far, I am not seeing anything that would make me support Senator Clinton over Senator Obama. SNL only reflects the general mood - we have a choice between one candidate who can win and unite the American people, and another who will only unite and energize the Republicans in November. Senator Obama is clearly preferable.