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Clinton Wins West Va.

UPDATE, 7:35 pm: Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has won a convincing victory over Sen. Barack Obama in West Virginia, a win blunted somewhat by the steady stream of superdelegates coming out in favors of the Illinois Senator over the last week.

ORIGINAL POST

The Fix has been charged with writing the lead news story for tonight's vote in West Virginia between Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) and Barack Obama (Ill.).

The story, which will be updated throughout the night, suggests that the conventional wisdom about West Virginia -- that Clinton will win handily but that Obama remains the clear frontrunner for the nomination -- is fundamentally correct.

The story is excepted below. And remember to check The Fix later tonight for updates not only about the outcome in West Virginia but also for the results in the special election in Mississippi's 1st district -- a race that could tell us much about the state of play for congressional Democrats heading into the fall election.

But, that's all later. For now, the excerpt:

Clinton Poised for Win in West Virginia

By Chris Cillizza
washingtonpost.com Staff Writer

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) appeared to be cruising to a substantial victory in today's West Virginia presidential primary, even as Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) continues to solidify his status as the near-certain Democratic nominee.

Heavily rural West Virginia has long been considered a reliable state for the Clinton campaign. And despite last week's drubbing in North Carolina and narrow victory in Indiana, polling suggests the New York Senator will win West Virginia's Democratic primary easily.

A Suffolk University poll released earlier this week put Clinton's lead over Obama at a whopping 36 points, and the Illinois senator's campaign has acknowledged they will likely lose the Mountain State by a wide margin.

In a memo released late this afternoon, the Obama campaign concedes not just West Virginia but also Kentucky, which votes a week from today, to Clinton. "But with 49 contests behind us and only six to go -- including several states where we expect to do well -- Barack Obama leads in pledged delegates, contest won, and superdelegates," notes the memo.

Seeking to further downplay the importance of the state in his electoral calculus, Obama spent the day in southeastern Missouri -- a key general election battleground. He is set to make stops in Michigan and Florida -- both states likely to be hotly contested in the fall -- over the next week.

Since last Tuesday's primaries, Obama has gained 27 superdelegates -- including Roy Romer, the former Democratic National Committee chairman and former Colorado governor, who announced his support this morning. New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin, Rep. Joe Donnelly of Indiana and the District of Columbia Democratic party chair Anita Bonds also endorsed the Illinois senator today.

"The math is controlling," said Romer. "This race, I believe, is over."

Not so, argue Clinton allies, who note that Obama has yet to formally claim all 2,025 delegates he needs to become his party's standard-bearer and that his continued struggles for support in Rust Belt States (Pennsylvania, Ohio and West Virginia) could hurt Democrats' chances of winning the White House in the fall.

"With a record turnout expected in today's primary, West Virginia Democrats will make clear who they believe is the strongest candidate to take on Sen. McCain in the fall," states a memo released by Clinton's campaign this afternoon. The memo also says that no Democrat in the last 90 years has won the White House without carrying West Virginia.

"I think Democrats across the country tomorrow will be asking themselves why Senator Obama -- with all of his money, with all of the great press, with voters being told he was the inevitable nominee -- why did Senator Obama lose West Virginia by 15 points or so?" Clinton communications director Howard Wolfson asked on NBC's "Today" show.

By Chris Cillizza  |  May 13, 2008; 6:20 PM ET
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Comments


EDWARDS IS A TRAITOROUS IDIOT!

OBAMA WILL BE A DISASTER FOR THIS NATION.

BUT THEN, THE OTHER TWO ALSO will GIVE US A CHOICE OF EVILS.

Warren Ogren
The Bard of the Boondocks

Posted by: Warren Ogren | May 15, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

I was totally unaware of the KKK type of activites that you reported occurred in Kokomo, IN and PA. Now, WV and soon KY. It's hard to believe that white folks still think they are superior because of their skin color. For Hillary to be proud of these victories, shame on her! Winning, because of your color of skin is not a victory! It's a National Disgrace!

Posted by: Rudi Hofmann | May 14, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

A Dem won the interim Congressional seat in northern Mississippi.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 14, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

I have a daughter working in West Virginia for Senator Obama, and has been there since Texas. Her little sister drove up there since she is home from college for the summer to help her sister. We are a white, middle class, southern family, who support Senator Obama 100%. I just hung up the phone with them and pray they get home safely out of that state. I cannot believe that your newspaper is the only news service to report the horrible racism that exists in that pitiful state. You want to know WHY Hillary won by a landslide? Because she is WHITE!!! I am horrified and saddened by the names my daughters and their fellow workers have been called while they have been in West Virginia!!! Those people should be ashamed of themselves. I watch "Morning Joe" every morning when I am getting ready for work. Please, I beg of you, if one of your writers are on the show or call in, PLEASE tell them about what went on up there! I promise you! You can investigate, and you will find out how scary West Virginia is when it comes to racism. Obama cannot make himself white, even though he had a white mom. Unless you are a "pure" white American, they hate you, at least the majority obviously does. I told my girls to get home to Tennessee as soon as they could. They could tell you some stories, and they are not just silly young girls. One graduated from Rhodes College in Memphis and the younger one will be a junior there this fall. I could cry! I cannot believe this is 2008, and this horrible disease (and that's what I think it is!) still exists in this country. Some parts of our home state of Tennessee is bad, but nothing like the state of West Virginia! I am not bitter from this loss. I knew it would be this big a margin, but I just cannot believe MSNBC, my favorite political news affiliate, is not reporting anything about this. You would not believe the names they have been called and the threats that were made. Some volunteers were told by their employers that if they continued working for Senator Obama, they would lose their jobs!!!! CHECK IT OUT!!!!!!!!!!! I am glad he did NOT put a lot of time there. I would be afraid for his safety. I'm just glad my girls are getting out of there and should be home in the next couple of days!!!

Posted by: Tammy | May 13, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

My VP Choices for Obama -

1. Colorado Governor - He can be Mr. Energy guy and make McCain defend western states

2. West Virginia Governor - He can be Mr. small town white working class guy and will put midwestern states like OH, PA, KY, WV in play

3. Virginia Senate Candidate Mark Warner - locks up Virginia and Mr. Economy.

4. Michigan Governor - brings MI

5. ? - Is there any Governor who can also be Mr. Security

Posted by: Gaurav | May 13, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

PERSONAL TO: "Proud to Be GOP" and all the supers...

Even The Breck Girl stands a better chance at the top of the ticket than either the Dreck Girl, or the Bar-Wreck.

But now that you bring it up again, yes, maybe Gore WOULD be stronger than the whole lot of 'em.

Point being: WV was saying tonight, "Anyone but Barack." And the core of the party, from the MoveOns to the DNC, knows that Hillary's negatives spell defeat in the fall. Barack has failed to win over the traditional Dem voting bloc, and a combined ticket would reek of cynical calculation and repel true believers in both camps.

So you supers out there on the fence: Toss it to Gore, or even the "I Feel Pretty" boy, with Obama onboard to bring along virtually all of his constituency, and you have a likely winner against John McSame.

Admit it, Proud to Be, my "fantastical scenarios" are YOUR worst nightmare!

Posted by: scrivener | May 13, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Those morons think Bill is running, I have heard that from a number of people. They say, "Sure she will be president but Bill will really be making any real decisions".

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As an Obama supporter, I say congratulations to Hillary! CNN exit polling reveals that 6 in 10 of those polled cited Bill Clinton as a reason to vote for Hillary. So did Hillary win tonight or did Bill Clinton win tonight?

Obama's campaign did not aggressively contest Hillary in West Virginia. The Obama campaign is laying roots for the general election.

Posted by: AJ | May 13, 2008 8:38 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | May 13, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Wow. this election night really brought out the white trash posters. Hillary wins the white trash vote, BIG 'n deal.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 13, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

scrivener writes
"Do it now, Barack. Play your ace in the hole and make Hillary fold now by throwing your delegates to John Edwards."


At least you've given up on Al Gore. Do you really believe that the Breck Girl could win, even after 2000? Come on, scrivener. Besdies, Obama's massive ego will never allow for these fantastical scenarios you dream up.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | May 13, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

95% white,lowest education in the country and who did west WV vote for? no surprise

Posted by: littlepapa | May 13, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

So, it's on to Kentucky and Oregon! According to a recent poll from Rasmussen, Clinton leads Obama 56% to 31% in Kentucky with 13% undecided.

mikeB, we'll be expecting regular updates as your primary date draws near out there in OR. Burning questions need to be answered, like, can Obama say "Oregon" correctly. How about "Willamette Valley", that's a toughy...will he attempt it? I heard the Obama campaign's HQ is in Eugene, home of the lefty ALF types et al., whereas Clinton's is across the river in blue-collar Springfield.

Now, what Fixista is from KY? Any volunteers? This primary is so interesting!


Posted by: proudtobeGOP | May 13, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

AJ: I don't and will never question Donna Brazille's dedication to the D party.

My question is this: why is she and CNN allowed to put on the air Roland Martin and Donna Brazille as "undeclared objective anaylsts" and then as quickly as Paul Begala gets on the air we immediately hear, "Clinton supporter Begala" who was told that he might not be welcome on cnn.
I suppose Obama supporters believe that Ms. Brazille and Roland Martin are neutral and not supporting either candidate and that CNN should id them as neutral commentators. Stop the nonsense, no one is buying.

Posted by: Leichtman | May 13, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

THE AUDACITY OF NOT NOW, BUT LATER

Obama-nauts, stop drinking the Cool-Aid. Look at the demos come out of Hillary's landslide. This is a protest vote of monumental proportions. They don't love Hillary; they think Obama is not ready for prime-time. He's not, and what they used to call "the real majority" of this nation knows it.

The pundits are talking about the people of WV as if they're all Li'l Abners and Miss Daisies. Perhaps the voters of WV are sending a dual message to Obama:

(1) You may think we're a bunch of red-necked racists, but the fact is, we think you lack the experience to be president; and

(2) If you're not willing to even TRY to convince WV Democrats that we should vote for you, how in the world are you going to convince enough Independents and the now-phantom "Obamicans" that they should support you in the fall (if indeed he makes it that far)?

Chris, you're hanging out too much with the Chris Matthews' and Eugene Robinsons' of the world. The demographics coming out of WV are devastating, even moreso because folks down there share the same negative opinions of Hillary as do rational people in other regions. The WV voters are not just saying, "This race isn't over." They're crying out for an alternate choice -- not Obama, not Hillary, but someone who can actually win in November.

The supers know this, and they're watching, waiting. John Edwards is preparing for the day when the ultimatum is put to Obama: step aside and unite the party as our vice presidential candidate, or we'll do the job for you. It's the only way the party leadership can avoid rewarding Hillary for her slash-and-burn tactics, and it's the only way Obama can emerge from this process with his political future (not to mention his shrinking cojones) intact.

Barack, make the move before you suffer more ignominious defeats at the hands of the Dems' she-devil. Checkmate her; far better to serve as veepee in an Edwards administration than to be forced to run for president with Hillary at your side, and lose.

As for you, Chris: Maybe you should have gone to Geno's instead of Jim's when you were in Philly. Maybe the experience would make you realize just how tough it is out there, and why neither Obama nor Hillary can overcome their negatives as the party standard-bearer.

Obama will have secured his place in history IF he wisely wields his delegate power BEFORE Hillary's victories wash it away. Why wait until the "Hillary surprise" that's coming in Oregon? Do it now, Barack. Play your ace in the hole and make Hillary fold now by throwing your delegates to John Edwards. You'll make a fine vice president and you'll unite the party and you'll set yourself up for a run at the top job in 2016. Is that so bad?

They're calling Hillary the delusional narcissist; what if it turns out the other way around? Only you, Mr. Obama, can keep that from happening.

Call it "the audacity of NOT now, but maybe later." Live to fight another day. Embrace "the third way" and make it YOUR path to the White House and not something you will otherwise surely be forced to do in a matter of weeks.

Posted by: scrivener | May 13, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

THE AUDACITY OF NOT NOW, BUT LATER

Stop drinking the Cool-Aid. Look at the demos come out of Hillary's landslide. This is a protest vote of monumental proportions. They don't love Hillary; they think Obama is not ready for prime-time. He's not, and what they used to call "the real majority" of this nation know it.

The pundits are talking about the people of WV as if they're all Li'l Abners and Miss Daisies. Perhaps the voters of WV are sending a dual message to Obama:

(1) You may think we're a bunch of red-necked racists, but the fact is, we think you lack the experience to be president; and

(2) If you're not willing to even TRY to convince WV Democrats that we should vote for you, how in the world are you going to convince enough Independents and the now-phantom "Obamicans" that they should support you in the fall (if indeed he makes it that far)?

I'm starting to think that Chris Cillizza does not read his own blog -- at least not the "comments" section. Chris, you're hanging out too much with the Chris Matthews' and Eugene Robinsons' of the world. The demographics coming out of WV are devestating, even moreso because folks down there share the same negative opinions of Hillary as do rational people in other regions. The WV voters are not just saying, "This race isn't over." They're crying out for an alternate choice -- not Obama, not Hillary, but someone who can actually win in November.

The supers know this, and they're watching, waiting. John Edwards is preparing for the day when the ultimatum is put to Obama: step aside and unite the party as our vice presidential candidate, or we'll do the job for you. It's the only way the party leadership can avoid rewarding Hillary for her slash-and-burn tactics, and it's the only way Obama can emerge from this process with his political future (not to mention his shrinking cojones) intact.

Barack, make the move before you suffer more ignominous defeats at the hands of the Dems' she-devil. Checkmate her; far better to serve as veepee in an Edwards administration than to be forced to run for president with Hillary at your side, and lose.

As for you, Chris: Maybe you should have gone to Geno's instead of Jim's when you were in Philly. Maybe the experience would make you realize just how tough it is out there, and why neither Obama not Hillary can't overcome their negatives as the party standard-bearer.

Obama will have secured his place in history IF he wisely wields his delegate power BEFORE Hillary's victories wash it away. Why wait until the "Hillary surprise" that's coming in Oregon? Do it now, Barack. Play your ace in the hole and make Hillary fold now by throwing your delegates to John Edwards. You'll make a fine vice president and you'll unite the party and you'll set yourself up for a run at the top job in 2016. Is that so bad?

They're calling Hillary the delusional narcissist; what if it turns out the other way around? Only you, Mr. Obama, can keep that from happening.

Call it "the audacity of NOT now, but maybe later." Live to fight another day. Emrace "the third way" and make it YOUR path to the White House and not something you will otherwise surely be forced to do in a matter of weeks.

Posted by: scrivener | May 13, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

As an Obama supporter, I say congratulations to Hillary! CNN exit polling reveals that 6 in 10 of those polled cited Bill Clinton as a reason to vote for Hillary. So did Hillary win tonight or did Bill Clinton win tonight?

Obama's campaign did not aggressively contest Hillary in West Virginia. The Obama campaign is laying roots for the general election.

Posted by: AJ | May 13, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

WHOA WHOA THERE Leichtman!

Donna Brazille is a Democrat through-and-through. If you cut her she will bleed blue. Donna is about the Democratic party. Sure you may detect a leaning flavor for Obama now, but that was not the case back in early January 2008. Donna was leaning towards Hillary in those weaks prior to Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina.

Posted by: AJ | May 13, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

hate, anger and disvision are precisely the words we constantly hear from the Obama supporters determined to drive their opponents to vote John McCain in the fall. Congratulations.

Posted by: Leichman | May 13, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations to Hillary. Now onward and forward. Here's a summary of some good reasons to consider supporting Obama. Share it widely with friends in Kentucky and Oregon:
http://acropolisreview.com/2008/04/top-reasons-to-give-barack-obama-your.html

Posted by: Tina | May 13, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Do Donna Brazille and Roland Martin really think anyone is buying their objectivity? No one cares that they are Obama supporters but many of us are really fed up with the disengeuousness and denials. No one is buying Donna and Roland.

Posted by: Leichtman | May 13, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Couldn't Senator Clinton run as an independent/third party candidate?

Posted by: Alice Willingham | May 13, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse


Chris:


If you or anyone else want to believe that Obama is going to be able to replace the electoral votes that everyone is realizing Obama can not win in the east - with electoral votes in the mountain west one has to be completely out of one's mind on Planet O and refusing to go back to one's spaceship.

This is the biggest joke I've heard in a long time.

What Obama is hoping to do is basically a fraud - he is attempting to fool the superdelegates.


The deception is this - he is attempting to have people ignore polling data that we have from the eastern states - and substitute it for fantasy polling data from the mountain west.

The laws of physics still apply - this is an attempt at complete fraud against Obama's own party.

.

Posted by: Words of Wisdom | May 13, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Democrats across the country should be asking, "how come, with the best name recognition, support from the Democratic Party political power brokers and the "best politician in decades" as a husband, Hillary was beaten by a newcomer who mobilized more than a million and a half new voters and out-organized her in primary after primary?" That's the question.

Why was she rejected by so many voters? Why is a new generation of voters demanding change in the way politics has been played for the last 25 years? Why are they rejecting the politics of hate, anger and division?

Posted by: thebob.bob | May 13, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Why is the media ignoring the May 31 DNC Rules Committee meeting - what are they holding back so it seems like a political earthquake?


it makes no sense

Add Florida and Michigan in now and run those numbers.


Posted by: Words of Wisdom | May 13, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse


HILLARY'S PATH TO VICTORY


1) Win West Virginia Check


2) Win Kentucky


3) Lock up the DNC Rules Committee and get Florida and Michigan counted


4) win Puerto Rico

That will give Hillary the popular vote and the superdelegates would carry her to the majority.

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Posted by: Words of Wisdom | May 13, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Clinton can still win this...let's hope so. I not McCain will be the next President. Obama is simply not electable in a country that is 83% white especially since Obama foolishly chose to run his campaign based on skin color which is STUPID considering the real problems our country faces right now...skin color is the least of our concerns. Hillary Clinton is the only candidate whom can address these problems with skill and experience.

It's Hillary 2008!

Posted by: Nexxus7 | May 13, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

WV was MUCH more important to the Democratic primaries in 1960. In fact, the WV vote doesn't carry any weight today except symbolic.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 13, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

p diddy-its 2025 but under clinton rules its every single delegate and damn the rules. let her have this moment in the sun. from what i gather west virgina is probably going to vote for McCain in the fall.

mark in austin-if your still around, your comment about obama and McCain doing town halls together is intriguing. its not a new ideal, kennedy and barry goldwater(McCains predecessor) were going to do the same thing in 64. the would have to agree on it before the conventions and both agree on locations and ground rules first. possibly july,since theres nothing on except baseball and reality shows?

Posted by: jay spartan | May 13, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm confused...where have the Clintons moved the goalposts this week? 2025 delegates or 2209 delegates? It's so hard to keep track of the game when the rules keep changing.

Posted by: P Diddy | May 13, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Hooray! Does this mean Hillary is going to take the nomination, despite the impossible delegate math? Will she pull out the "October surprise" they've been hinting at?
-Wm Tate
www.atimelikethis.us

Posted by: Wm Tate | May 13, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Talk about stating the obvious: Of course Hillary's on to a landslide win in WV. Judging by the hostile exits for Obama, it'll be at least 30 points. But this doesn't help her beyond making some super's a bit concerned over Obama's ability to draw the almighty whites in the fall. This has been Clinton Country for years.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: matt | May 13, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

With Obama's lead in pledged delegates, Clinton's main objective is to do well enough in West Va and Kentucky to convince the super delegates to switch over to her side. With Obama not really campaigning in those states, he can go to his super delegates and claim those states are not representative of the nation as a whole.

Posted by: Wolfcastle | May 13, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Possible winner of Understatement of the Campaign:

"Clinton Seems Headed to West Virginia Win"

ya think?

Posted by: evie | May 13, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

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