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As Friday came and a bailout deal seemed more likely, John McCain decided to participate in tonight's debate, where the stakes couldn't be higher. (AP Photo/Lauren Victoria Burke)

The news that John McCain will debate Barack Obama tonight in Mississippi is a concession by the Arizona senator that his attempt to score a quick political victory on legislation to bail out the financial sector did not pan out as he had hoped.

McCain suspended his presidential campaign with much fanfare on Wednesday, insisting that the crisis in financial markets and the seeming stalemate on Capitol Hill required that politics be set aside for the good of the country.

But, over the intervening 24 hours, McCain saw what at first looked like a brilliant political gambit turn into a nightmare, as an apparent done deal to save the financial industry devolved into a partisan shouting match at the White House that left congressional negotiators back at square one.

Seeking to put the best possible face on the situation, the McCain campaign released a statement -- the full text of which is available after the jump -- that read in part:

"Senator McCain has spent the morning talking to members of the Administration, members of the Senate, and members of the House. He is optimistic that there has been significant progress toward a bipartisan agreement now that there is a framework for all parties to be represented in negotiations...The McCain campaign is resuming all activities and the Senator will travel to the debate this afternoon. Following the debate, he will return to Washington to ensure that all voices and interests are represented in the final agreement, especially those of taxpayers and homeowners."

The statement also sought to cast the breakdown of negotiations on the bill as a "familiar spectacle" in Washington where the needs of regular Americans were sacrificed at the altar of partisanship. McCain's campaign also accused Obama of "political posturing" rather than the post-partisan approach that the Illinois senator has put at the heart of his presidential campaign.

Spin aside, McCain blinked in what had become a high stakes staring contest between him and Obama.

In the immediate aftermath of McCain's campaign suspension and call for the postponement of tonight's debate in Mississippi, Obama held an impromptu press conference in which he insisted he would still attend the debate and took a not-so-subtle shot at McCain by arguing that presidents must be able to multi-task.

As yesterday wore on and the prospects of a deal being announced became more remote, Obama and his campaign stood firm on their original plan to fly to Mississippi today to make final preparations for the debate.

With the likelihood of a full deal emerging any time before tonight, the McCain campaign and its surrogates began hedging his promise to stay in Washington until a compromise was reached.

"What's more important than anything, that when we go to Mississippi tonight, both candidates can say that the Congress is working, back in business, that we have an outline or proposal that will protect the taxpayer and save the country from financial Pearl Harbor, as Warren Buffett called it," South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham, a key McCain surrogate, said during an interview on The Today Show this morning.

That statement, and McCain's subsequent decision to go to the debate is his campaign's attempt to make lemonade out of lemons.

Expect McCain to draw heavily on his experiences over the last few days in tonight's debate, casting himself as someone willing to put aside partisanship for the good of the country and Obama as nothing more than a partisan warrior.

Make no mistake: It's been a very difficult last 72 hours for McCain's campaign. But, if he can outperform expectations in tonight's debate all of the sturm und drang of the last three days will likely be forgotten overnight.

The stakes simply couldn't be any higher.

Full Statement

Statement By McCain Campaign On Negotiations

John McCain's decision to suspend his campaign was made in the hopes that politics could be set aside to address our economic crisis.

In response, Americans saw a familiar spectacle in Washington. At a moment of crisis that threatened the economic security of American families, Washington played the blame game rather than work together to find a solution that would avert a collapse of financial markets without squandering hundreds of billions of taxpayers' money to bailout bankers and brokers who bet their fortunes on unsafe lending practices.

Both parties in both houses of Congress and the administration needed to come together to find a solution that would deserve the trust of the American people. And while there were attempts to do that, much of yesterday was spent fighting over who would get the credit for a deal and who would get the blame for failure. There was no deal or offer yesterday that had a majority of support in Congress. There was no deal yesterday that included adequate protections for the taxpayers. It is not enough to cut deals behind closed doors and then try to force it on the rest of Congress -- especially when it amounts to thousands of dollars for every American family.

The difference between Barack Obama and John McCain was apparent during the White House meeting yesterday where Barack Obama's priority was political posturing in his opening monologue defending the package as it stands. John McCain listened to all sides so he could help focus the debate on finding a bipartisan resolution that is in the interest of taxpayers and homeowners. The Democratic interests stood together in opposition to an agreement that would accommodate additional taxpayer protections.

Senator McCain has spent the morning talking to members of the Administration, members of the Senate, and members of the House. He is optimistic that there has been significant progress toward a bipartisan agreement now that there is a framework for all parties to be represented in negotiations, including Representative Blunt as a designated negotiator for House Republicans. The McCain campaign is resuming all activities and the Senator will travel to the debate this afternoon. Following the debate, he will return to Washington to ensure that all voices and interests are represented in the final agreement, especially those of taxpayers and homeowners.

By Paul Volpe  |  September 26, 2008; 11:28 AM ET
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Posted by: dicktracy2001 | September 27, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

McCain came off contemptuous and angry “cranky” old man. McCain appeared to be annoyed and inconvenienced by the whole debate. I suppose he considers the presidency to be his birthright that he scoffs anyone who even questions him. He kept making snarky and irrelevant marks. I was really surprised that McCain would not even look at Obama.

On the other hand, Obama came off in command, well-informed, and congenial—in other words, Obama looked Presidential. And McCain looked angry, repetitive, and un-presidential.

Barack Obama was crisp, reassuring and strong -- in short, presidential, as he has been throughout the financial storm of the past two weeks. McCain was not as bad as he has been recently; but much of this debate was fought on what was supposed to be his high ground. As the encounter ended, Obama not only controlled the commanding heights of the economic issue -- and he not only held his own on national security -- but clearly passed the threshold as a credible commander-in-chief. McCain kept repeating that Obama doesn't "understand." But he clearly did. McCain made up no ground. That's similar to what happened in 1960 when Nixon ran on the slogan "Experience Counts" but found it didn't count that much when voters decided JFK was up to the job after the side by side comparison they saw in the first debate.

CBS’s poll of 500 uncommitted voters who watched found this: 40% said Obama won, 38% said it was a draw, and 22% called McCain the winner. CNN had Obama winning 51-38% overall, winning on the economy 58-37%, and even winning on Iraq 52-47%.

This was clearly a homerun for Obama. He hit it out of the park.

Posted by: JJames081 | September 27, 2008 2:26 AM | Report abuse

I think that the wheels are coming off the McCain wagon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62dO_pIrWoU

Posted by: bilco5 | September 26, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

"If we fail in Iraq"...no oil takeover for the oil barons of America.

Iraq is a failed agenda. It failed us economically because it has drained our resources, proven that the reason for invading Iraq is a lie in the first place, and we cannot mop up the oil wells and make them ours...

Why are we paying these folks? Someone has been lied to, and I believe it has been the American public...

We need a change, and more of Bush/McCain cannot be tolerated in this United States...McCain is more disillusioned about his experience in foreign affairs by knowing veterans and being a POW...he is not qualified to make any judgments with arms that he can't raise above his head.

McCain is soooo stuck on when he was in prison that he won't be able to strategize our country out of its current crisis because he is preoccupied with his personal failing of war.

Posted by: change4us | September 26, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Drilling offshore will only be the same as "funding the wall street crash." A temporary fix to fuel hyperinflation. Who loses? The public loses. The choice for Palin is because the oil and money barons are targeting the fleecing of America!

McCain is out of touch and thinks that we are stupid!

Posted by: change4us | September 26, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a "story teller"...he thinks that the American public is stupid. He uses words to make pointless points that prove that he is left behind in the war where he was injured. We cannot believe that the world hasn't changed and that his tactics and schemes are outdated.

I think the cat is out of the bag, especially because it is now transparent of where McCain and his cronies will be taking our government.

This is a new day. What George Bush did for the US is what we don't need going forward into this new administration...

Isn't it time that US stops kissing the butts of the people who are holding us in precarious positions? It's time to take a stand, and if we don't do it now, we will have lost the opportunity to be bold and forge past what has created this problem in the first place.

Posted by: change4us | September 26, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Does John McCain still use morose (spelling) code? He blinks an awful lot especially when he doesn't have much to say?

Also, John McCain hasn't answered the question as to how he would handle the current bailout. Government spending won't solve the problem...so what's new...he still has nothing to say...

Posted by: change4us | September 26, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Jim Lehrer is no dummy. He seems to be fixated, during the 1'st 15 minutes, on forcing the candidates to say what they will cut from their agendas, now that they agree that 700 billion must be spent to rescue our financial infrastructure.

That's a false opposition, as I suspect he knows, and I wish Obama had pointed out that when Franklin D. Roosevelt faced the increased costs to the federal government associated with the Great Depression, he didn't *cut* social spending, he ramped it up.

Posted by: officermancuso | September 26, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

It amazes me that after 6 years in control of all 3 branches of our federal government and 8 years in control of the executive and judicial branches, Republican commenters have this sense of *grievance* and an apparent sense that people who question their truisms are lacking in intelligence.

What power have they been denied, in their efforts to prove that their political theories best serve the American people in domestic and foreign policy?

Posted by: officermancuso | September 26, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

The rich just keep getting richer and richer, while the working class people are losing retirement funds and going heavily into debt!
The price of gasoline rose to $4.50 a gallon, just long enough for the price of everything to skyrocket in price. The price of gasoline is temporarily back down to help McCain get elected, but the cost of everything as is still too much. Thank you George!

FYI: McSame chose Alaska, not dimwit Palin. Alaska is an oil state and the oil companies have McCain bought and paid for. If McCain gets elected, we will be paying more and more for oil and driving gas guzzling behemonths that heavily pollute our environment.

Posted by: maphound | September 26, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

The only thing that George Bush said that was correct is that there is something wrong with the stock market. And there is. This is nothing new. The market has been highly volatile for the past couple of years or more. Retiree's are the big losers in this fiasco. It used to be safe to put money into funds and watch your money grow--in the long run. But that is not happening, any more. This year has been especially bad. All of the mutual funds that used to be reliable and grow are almost completely negative.
Can anybody explain this phenomenom?

Posted by: maphound | September 26, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

We have been hearing since Reagan that “Government is the problem”; that government should get “out of the way”; that the private sector can always do it better and cheaper.

If one has this philosophy then it is natural to undermine government; to get it “out of the way”.

The Bush administration has systematically undermined the efficacy of the government by gutting any agency which it views as “standing in the way”.

You appoint “your guys” no matter how incompetent; you oust the professionals; you gut their budgets. You oppose anything which might “impede” the private sector corporations - consumer protections; food inspections; road and bridge inspection; financial regulations. You politicize the Justice Department, so that it finds nothing, even torture, objectionable. Anti-trust enforcement becomes non-existent.

You never lift a voice or use the bully pulpit against corporations shipping jobs wholesale overseas. Our retailers buy their inventory from China and you ship them our money, never insisting that China adjust its foreign exchange rate. Then you borrow the money back from China to plug our budget deficit, caused by corporate tax cuts and cuts for the top 1% of Americans. You ship the borrowed money to our oil suppliers and oppose any effort to reduce dependency by seeking alternative renewable sources of fuel. After all, you’re an oil man.

You start an unnecessary war costing hundreds of billions of dollars much of it going to favored construction companies doing work shoddy enough to electrocute ten soldiers in their showers. Hired thugs masquerading as “security details” rake in more of the money, answering to no one. You “rebuild” Iraq (which we never had to destroy anyway) while the Iraqis have almost $80 billion in the bank.

You shred the Constitution, abridge habeas corpus. You get elected by selling your “values” while robbing the country blind. You never talk about economics. You always scare the voters with the next bogeyman around the corner. When the media disagrees with you, you attack it as “unfair” with “liberal bias”. You start your own propaganda media outlets that parrot the party line.

You take the country into a permanent state of war with a volunteer army - a state so permanent no one even notices it anymore as they go to the mall. You ask nothing from them but their acquiescence.

“Just go shopping folks!”

You want to spend a trillion dollars to rescue the financial sector, run up a half a trillion dollar budget deficit and still spew nonsense about “small government, deregulation and lower taxes”. We are witnessing the impoverishment of America.

....and this Grand Old Party (remember it?) wants four more years?

P. S Have we asked China if it will increase our credit line?

:-)


Posted by: toritto | September 26, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

maphound apparently cant read ...

maphound managed to miss almost every key point:

"The bail out is a bad idea because it will only temporarily raise the worth of some major corporations. The stock market will rise and then fall back down."

Huh? How so? The stock market responds favorably just at a hint of a bailout. Yes, some companies will go up and some will go down. That is how the stock market works. You guessing at the direction is just that, a misinformed guess.

"the wealthy day-traders will get in when the government pours billions into the market, then they will get their profit and sell out before the end of the day."

I guess you dont follow the history of the majority of daytraders. Most of them just barely break even. Guess again.

"Those who are informed of where the money is going will buy shares while the price is cheap, then sell when the stock prices are high."

Hardly unlikely since the government will be getting a share of the company and there is no telling whether the company will go up in value or down in value after the bailout. Too many factors.

It is certain that those companies that dont get bailed out will go down in value. Personally, I say, let them go out of business for the most part. Serves them right.

However, there is some economic value in bringing stability for now since the democrats were so busy letting Fannie and Freddie fail.

There was only one party that tried to stop Fannie and Freddie from failing and that was the Republicans. Dem leaders always seem to be on the wrong side of economic issues.

"why do you think Warren Buffett recently put a measely $5 billion into a losing financial corporation?"

He bought into Goldman Sachs specifically. They dont have hardly any subprime loan problems. He bought into them because the overall market was devalued and that includes Goldman. Goldman is also branching out into new banking business for the first time ever so it was a smart time to get a big piece of their pie for a bargain price.

Goldman will most likely recieve zero dollars from this bill.

maphound, you really are clueless on every key point.

Posted by: KMichaels | September 26, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

I have yet to see any program, plan or action that a democrat has offered that actually helps the overall economy. All they have to offer is more socialism.

As to my finances, I would have to guess that I am substantially better off that you are. But that is only a guess.

Again, if you care to list what democrats do (specifically) for the economy and why what they do actually helps I would be glad to hear it.

So far you are a blowhard with no substance.


Posted by: KMichaels | September 26, 2008 7:53 PM
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OOPS!


President Clinton’s Record on the Economy: In 1992, 10 million Americans were unemployed, the country faced record deficits, and poverty and welfare rolls were growing. Family incomes were losing ground to inflation and jobs were being created at the slowest rate since the Great Depression. Today, America enjoys what may be the strongest economy ever.

Strong Economic Growth: Since President Clinton and Vice President Gore took office, economic growth has averaged 4.0 percent per year, compared to average growth of 2.8 percent during the Reagan-Bush years. The economy has grown for 116 consecutive months, the most in history.
Most New Jobs Ever Created Under a Single Administration: The economy has created more than 22.5 million jobs in less than eight years—the most jobs ever created under a single administration, and more than were created in the previous 12 years. Of the total new jobs, 20.7 million, or 92 percent, are in the private sector.
Median Family Income Up $6,000 since 1993: Economic gains have been made across the spectrum as family incomes increased for all Americans. Since 1993, real median family income has increased by $6,338, from $42,612 in 1993 to $48,950 in 1999 (in 1999 dollars).
Unemployment at Its Lowest Level in More than 30 Years: Overall unemployment has dropped to the lowest level in more than 30 years, down from 6.9 percent in 1993 to just 4.0 percent in November 2000. The unemployment rate has been below 5 percent for 40 consecutive months. Unemployment for African Americans has fallen from 14.2 percent in 1992 to 7.3 percent in October 2000, the lowest rate on record. Unemployment for Hispanics has fallen from 11.8 percent in October 1992 to 5.0 percent in October 2000, also the lowest rate on record.
Lowest Inflation since the 1960s: Inflation is at the lowest rate since the Kennedy Administration, averaging 2.5 percent, and it is down from 4.7 percent during the previous administration.
Highest Homeownership Rate on Record: The homeownership rate reached 67.7 percent for the third quarter of 2000, the highest rate on record. In contrast, the homeownership rate fell from 65.6 percent in the first quarter of 1981 to 63.7 percent in the first quarter of 1993.
7 Million Fewer Americans Living in Poverty: The poverty rate has declined from 15.1 percent in 1993 to 11.8 percent last year, the largest six-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years. There are now 7 million fewer people in poverty than there were in 1993.

Establishing Fiscal Discipline and Paying off the National Debt

President Clinton’s Record on Fiscal Discipline: Between 1981 and 1992, the national debt held by the public quadrupled. The annual budget deficit grew to $290 billion in 1992, the largest ever, and was projected to grow to more than $455 billion by Fiscal Year (FY) 2000. As a result of the tough and sometimes unpopular choices made by President Clinton, and major deficit reduction legislation passed in 1993 and 1997, we have seen eight consecutive years of fiscal improvement for the first time in America’s history.

Largest Surplus Ever: The surplus in FY 2000 is $237 billion—the third consecutive surplus and the largest surplus ever.
Largest Three-Year Debt Pay-Down Ever: Between 1998-2000, the publicly held debt was reduced by $363 billion—the largest three-year pay-down in American history. Under Presidents Reagan and Bush, the debt held by the public quadrupled. Under the Clinton-Gore budget, we are on track to pay off the entire publicly held debt on a net basis by 2009.
Lower Federal Government Spending: After increasing under the previous two administrations, federal government spending as a share of the economy has been cut from 22.2 percent in 1992 to 18 percent in 2000—the lowest level since 1966.
Reduced Interest Payments on the Debt: In 1993, the net interest payments on the debt held by the public were projected to grow to $348 billion in FY 2000. In 2000, interest payments on the debt were $125 billion lower than projected.
Americans Benefit from Reduced Debt: Because of fiscal discipline and deficit and debt reduction, it is estimated that a family with a home mortgage of $100,000 might expect to save roughly $2,000 per year in mortgage payments, like a large tax cut.
Double Digit Growth in Private Investment in Equipment and Software: Lower debt will help maintain strong economic growth and fuel private investments. With government no longer draining resources out of capital markets, private investment in equipment and software averaged 13.3 percent annual growth since 1993, compared to 4.7 percent during 1981 to 1992.

To Establish Fiscal Discipline, President Clinton:

Enacted the 1993 Deficit Reduction Plan without a Single Republican Vote. Prior to 1993, the debate over fiscal policy often revolved around a false choice between public investment and deficit reduction. The 1993 deficit reduction plan showed that deficit and debt reductions could be accomplished in a progressive way by slashing the deficit in half and making important investments in our future, including education, health care, and science and technology research. The plan included more than $500 billion in deficit reduction. It also cut taxes for 15 million of the hardest-pressed Americans by expanding the Earned Income Tax Credit; created the Direct Student Loan Program; created the first nine Empowerment Zones and first 95 Enterprise Communities; and passed tax cuts for small businesses and research and development.
Negotiated the Balanced Budget Agreement of 1997. In his 1997 State of the Union address, President Clinton announced his plan to balance the budget for the first time in 27 years. Later that year, he signed the Balanced Budget Act of 1997, a major bipartisan agreement to eliminate the national budget deficit, create the conditions for economic growth, and invest in the education and health of our people. It provided middle-class tax relief with a $500 per child tax credit and the Hope Scholarship and Lifetime Learning tax credits for college. It also created the Children’s Health Insurance Program to serve up to 5 million children and made landmark investments in education initiatives including educational technology, charter schools, Head Start, and Pell Grants. Finally, it added 20 more Empowerment Zones and 20 more rural Enterprise Communities, included the President’s plan to revitalize the District of Columbia, and continued welfare reform though $3 billion in new resources to move welfare recipients to private-sector jobs.
Dedicated the Surplus to Save Social Security and Reduce the National Debt. In his 1998 and 1999 State of the Union addresses, President Clinton called on the nation to save the surplus until the solvency of Social Security is assured. He also repeatedly vetoed large Republican tax cut bills that would have jeopardized our nation’s fiscal discipline. The President’s actions led to a bipartisan consensus on saving the surplus and paying down the debt.
Extended Medicare Solvency from 1999 to 2025. When President Clinton took office, Medicare was expected to become insolvent in 1999, then only six years away. The 1993 deficit reduction act dedicated some of the taxes paid by Social Security beneficiaries to the Medicare Trust Fund and extended the life of Medicare by three years to 2002. Thanks to additional provisions to combat waste, fraud and abuse and bipartisan cooperation in the 1997 balanced budget agreement, Medicare is now expected to remain solvent until 2025.

"My colleagues and I have been very appreciative of your [President Clinton’s] support of the Fed over the years, and your commitment to fiscal discipline has been instrumental in achieving what in a few weeks will be the longest economic expansion in the nation’s history."
— Alan Greenspan, Federal Reserve Board Chairman, January 4, 2000, with President Clinton at Chairman Greenspan’s re-nomination announcement

"The deficit has come down, and I give the Clinton Administration and President Clinton himself a lot of credit for that. [He] did something about it, fast. And I think we are seeing some benefits."
— Paul Volcker, Federal Reserve Board Chairman (1979-1987), in Audacity, Fall 1994

One of the reasons Goldman Sachs cites for the "best economy ever" is that "on the policy side, trade, fiscal, and monetary policies have been excellent, working in ways that have facilitated growth without inflation. The Clinton Administration has worked to liberalize trade and has used any revenue windfalls to reduce the federal budget deficit."
— Goldman Sachs, March 1998

"Clinton’s 1993 budget cuts, which reduced projected red ink by more than $400 billion over five years, sparked a major drop in interest rates that helped boost investment in all the equipment and systems that brought forth the New Age economy of technological innovation and rising productivity."
— Business Week, May 19, 1997


WANT SOME MORE? i HAVENT EVEN GOTTEN TO TRADE, EDUCATION AND A MYRIAD OF OTHER SUCCESSES

But then again when presented with facts you can blame the messenger. Seems the GOP loves that more than the truth

Posted by: feastorafamine | September 26, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

drooling toritto writes:

"Hey kmichaels: "Things are soooo much better for everyone than they were 8 years ago."

Of course, this is after that blowhard said that people should be able to do fine no matter who is running things.

As to things being much better? Other than the dem caused subprime fiasco things are pretty much normal.

Now, dimwit, I did say that the subprime problem was an exception. So dont get your idiot panties in a bind.

Now, I am still waiting for that list that you were going to give that shows what dems do specifically for the economy that actually helps the economy. You know, just a little cause and effect.

As to being better off now? Some are, some are not. Those that took risky subprime loans lost whatever it took to get into their homes before they lost them. They would have been better off living within their means, a simple but wise concept that most dems do not follow.

Posted by: KMichaels | September 26, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

NO BAIL OUT!!!!!
The stock market is doing fine.

The bail out is a bad idea because it will only temporarily raise the worth of some major corporations. The stock market will rise and then fall back down. the wealthy day-traders will get in when the government pours billions into the market, then they will get their profit and sell out before the end of the day.
Those who are informed of where the money is going will buy shares while the price is cheap, then sell when the stock prices are high.
Its like buying a piece of property where a freeway or some other government-funded project is going to be built. An insider tells you to buy because the value is going to skrocket after the government funds the project. You buy the poperty while the property is cheap and then sell when the project is started or completed.
Wealthy insiders are going to get rich when they put money into a business that is going to be bailed out by the government.
Why do you think Warren Buffett recently put a measely $5 billion into a losing financial corporation?

Posted by: maphound | September 26, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

maphound managed to miss almost every key point:

"The bail out is a bad idea because it will only temporarily raise the worth of some major corporations. The stock market will rise and then fall back down."

Huh? How so? The stock market responds favorably just at a hint of a bailout. Yes, some companies will go up and some will go down. That is how the stock market works. You guessing at the direction is just that, a misinformed guess.

"the wealthy day-traders will get in when the government pours billions into the market, then they will get their profit and sell out before the end of the day."

I guess you dont follow the history of the majority of daytraders. Most of them just barely break even. Guess again.

"Those who are informed of where the money is going will buy shares while the price is cheap, then sell when the stock prices are high."

Hardly unlikely since the government will be getting a share of the company and there is no telling whether the company will go up in value or down in value after the bailout. Too many factors.

It is certain that those companies that dont get bailed out will go down in value. Personally, I say, let them go out of business for the most part. Serves them right.

However, there is some economic value in bringing stability for now since the democrats were so busy letting Fannie and Freddie fail.

There was only one party that tried to stop Fannie and Freddie from failing and that was the Republicans. Dem leaders always seem to be on the wrong side of economic issues.

"why do you think Warren Buffett recently put a measely $5 billion into a losing financial corporation?"

He bought into Goldman Sachs specifically. They dont have hardly any subprime loan problems. He bought into them because the overall market was devalued and that includes Goldman. Goldman is also branching out into new banking business for the first time ever so it was a smart time to get a big piece of their pie for a bargain price.

Goldman will most likely recieve zero dollars from this bill.

maphound, you really are clueless on every key point.

Posted by: KMichaels | September 26, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Most American's don't want to spend hundreds of Billions on a Wall Street Bail out bill on top of the nearly $1 Trillion in Bailout's we given them this year for the massive government and Banking/Broker irresponsibility and possibly criminal actions.

McCain accomplished his mission of looking like the spoiler despite the fact that he signed the Gramm-Leach-Blilely act which caused this whole mess and had its greatest champion Phil Gramm as his campaign co-chair up until recently.

This may have been inadvertent but I'm certain his campaign will capitalize on that perception in tonight's debates given the overwhelming dislike of this bail out by the public.

Posted by: Duffminster | September 26, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Hey kmichaels: Things are soooo much better for everyone than they were 8 years ago.

Republican hack and watercarrier......

Posted by: toritto | September 26, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Yet another idiot leftist writes ... "Again calling someone else uninformed is a bit hypocritical given that Obama outlined in DETAIL his thoughts on the bailout."

That particular detail that Obama gave was not about a specific bill since he posted that information prior to the details of the bill being released.

When he arrived at the meeting he did not ask any detailed questions about the newly written bill. He did not point out the weaknesses of the bill nor did he discuss the fact that the House Republicans were having serious issues with the bill. Obviously if he is to "reach out to both sides" he should have been keenly aware of the House Republicans issues with the bill but it caught him totally off guard. McCain was however aware that the House still had to be sold on the details. What about Obama? Whoops, he was caught sleeping on the job. No clue about what the House thought about it.

Posted by: KMichaels | September 26, 2008 7:45 PM
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UMMMM AGAIN
UNINFORMED
What planet are you on?
I'll go slow for you...real slow
secretary paulson released, a 2 1/2 page proposal which Mccain hadnt bothered to read mind you.
Obama then outlines his proposals in relation to the proposal IN DETAIL
McCain?
Hasnt read it
offers no reaction for or against it.

In the white house meeting Obama asked four questions
One was to Paulson (R-appointed)
Obne was to Sen. Richard Shelby (R)
One to Bernanke
One to Reid
and one to Pelosi
Mccain only spoke to Shelby and it was to ask him about an alternate proposal. Very constructive John.

And please dont say Obama is sleeping on the job when Mccain said 22 times in the last month that the "fundentals of the economy are strong" Talk about being asleep, thats closer ot catatonic

Posted by: feastorafamine | September 26, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Can we start posting who won the debate yet or do we have to wait for it to actually happen?

:-)

Posted by: toritto | September 26, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

If John McCain has any thought of being President maybe he should learn how the system works. He is one voice among 100 in the senate and does not sit on the committees that were working on this bill. Further, he admitted months ago that he didn't have a real understanding of the economy. Suspending his campaign and most especially trying to put off the debate showed that he has no respect for the American people and that he does not have the ability to handle the multiple crisis that he will face as President.

We are close to an incredibly important election and right now both McCain's and Obama's primary responsibility is to give the American people all of the information that the need to make a responsible decision.

Posted by: Nataya1 | September 26, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Suppose that the Democratic National Committee wanted to plant a poster at the Washington Post for the purpose of convincing undecided voters that Republicans are mean-spirited.

Could they have done better than KMichaels?

Posted by: officermancuso | September 26, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

John McCain wanted to 'appear,to be with the people and take a leader roll...Ha! when he voted only once back in April. He seems to have a advantage to (Act) on cue to anything the dirty republicans can put on him to go forth and pass the torch from Bush so to speak and carry it for the Repubs in other words they are feeding him things Obama isn,t privy too. Especially Bush himself seems all to willing to include him and his second in favor Obama as just "filling a seat at yesterday's meeting. MCCain let his temper flair up so as to put Obama to test on being always cool and collective. Look at it from some inner point of advantage and you will see it cleary too, MCCain is carrying secret cues to leap to all this so smoothly. Read this please:
http://action.credomobile.com/blog/

Posted by: grdn_nell | September 26, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

toritto wrote:

"If you are in deep economic doodoo and you vote GOP for their "values" you deserve what you get."

I have yet to see any program, plan or action that a democrat has offered that actually helps the overall economy. All they have to offer is more socialism.

As to my finances, I would have to guess that I am substantially better off that you are. But that is only a guess.

Again, if you care to list what democrats do (specifically) for the economy and why what they do actually helps I would be glad to hear it.

So far you are a blowhard with no substance.

Posted by: KMichaels | September 26, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

We all blink. However, rapid blinking may serve as an indication of unusual stress felt by the subject, and some observers hold that rapid blinking points to the speaker-blinker's self-recognized fibbing. It has been quite interesting if not revealing to observe John McCain's eyelid movements in recent days during his successive statements before the cameras.

Further on eyes as indicators: George W. personified the deer-in-the-headlights fright apparition yesterday as he deployed the word "panic." Today he appears to be back on his meds.

Posted by: FirstMouse1 | September 26, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

The bail out is a bad idea because it will only temporarily raise the worth of some major corporations. The stock market will rise and then fall back down. the wealthy day-traders will get in when the government pours billions into the market, then they will get their profit and sell out before the end of the day.
Those who are informed of where the money is going will buy shares while the price is cheap, then sell when the stock prices are high.
Its like buying a piece of property where a freeway or some other government-funded project is going to be built. An insider tells you to buy because the value is going to skrocket after the government funds the project. You buy the poperty while the property is cheap and then sell when the project is started or completed.
Wealthy insiders are going to get rich when they put money into a business that is going to be bailed out by the government.
Why do you think Warren Buffett recently put a measely $5 billion into a losing financial corporation?

Posted by: maphound | September 26, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

kmichaels: Heehee.

I'm sitting in a paid for house on a southern golfcourse tonight, long retired.

I gotmy steady income, my "socialist" medicare and drug prescription coverage which younger people will never get from a GOP administration.

The world will not run out of gas nor get too hot before I go.

My daughters are both college graduates and on their own. One is a state prosecutor in the state I live in.

No tweekers or unwanted prenancies in my family.

You know, it makes no difference to my situation who wins.

God helps those who help themselves.

If you are in deep economic doodoo and you vote GOP for their "values" you deserve what you get.

:-)

Posted by: toritto | September 26, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Yet another idiot leftist writes ... "Again calling someone else uninformed is a bit hypocritical given that Obama outlined in DETAIL his thoughts on the bailout."

That particular detail that Obama gave was not about a specific bill since he posted that information prior to the details of the bill being released.

When he arrived at the meeting he did not ask any detailed questions about the newly written bill. He did not point out the weaknesses of the bill nor did he discuss the fact that the House Republicans were having serious issues with the bill. Obviously if he is to "reach out to both sides" he should have been keenly aware of the House Republicans issues with the bill but it caught him totally off guard. McCain was however aware that the House still had to be sold on the details. What about Obama? Whoops, he was caught sleeping on the job. No clue about what the House thought about it.

Posted by: KMichaels | September 26, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

"McCain's behavior in the meeting, from what we are told, was far more appropriate and shows maturity and seasoning. Obama went in there trying to lead the meeting, when he was the most junior legislator at the table! In my mind, this display of the last few days has highlighted Obama's inexperience and his arrogance as he jumped on board with the Democrat Bailout and Extra Handouts for Everybody Plan that is a real lemon. "

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | September 26, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Well, I agree with you there. No journalist will report this, but the freshman senator with no economic I.Q. leading the Democrats in that meeting was absurd.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 26, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Anyone notice theat not all economists think that the bailout will actually work?
Firstly, at what price will the Treasury buy back this toxic debt? “Toxic as it is, there are bids for this debt - its just that the sellers don’t like the bids. They expect the Treasury to do better.
Ideally for the sellers, the price paid by the Treasury would be somewhere close to what the paper was originally purchased for...that's what the institutions want...to be essentially recapitalized to where they were before the bubble burst.
Think that move will free up the credit markets?
Think again.
If you were a senior banker today what would you be doing?
Your goal would be to protect your financial institution.
Hoard cash. Build liquidity. Strengthen loan/deposit ratios. Reduce borrowing to an absolute minimum - preferably zero. Fund your assets with retail deposits (insured by FDIC) and your own capital if you possible can.
Lend money to no one if you don’t have to...tighten your credit standards.
Do not participate in the inter-bank markets if you are not a net buyer of fed funds. If you are a net buyer, unload some assets to reduce dependency on overnight money.
Profitability is no longer paramount. Your shareholders will forgive you if your profits slide so long as your institution survives.
This buyout may not accomplish what it is expected to accomplish for the credit markets.

Posted by: toritto | September 26, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

KMichaels...
"Obama actually READ the bill...McCain said he had not."

I said that he did not ask any questions about the bill. McCain did. And the bill is not set. It has gone from a few pages and continues to grow into a book. So obviously you are a bit naive on how the process works.

Obama was politicing with zero concern about the many many Americans not pleased with the current bill.

Posted by: KMichaels | September 26, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

A joint statement was issued. I guess you missed it. But are you so naive to think that joint statements will be the end of what will be said and done? Yeah right.

And Obama suggested it? Again, right. Obama is the only one who cares, hardy har har.

Did you see Obama suck up to the bill without any questions or hesitation? Not my idea of a good leader that wants to spend a trillion dollars, no questions asked.

But Obama did do alot of talking. Just nothing relevent to the details of the bill.

So, brat, you figure that Obama does not do photo ops and theatrics? How about Obama claiming that he would debate McCain anytime and anyplace, then reneged on his offer?

How about Obama claiming that he would only take public funding for his campain and the reneged on that too?

Yep, Obama is a stuffed shirt empty suit with vain words and vain promises of finding the holy grail.

Posted by: KMichaels | September 26, 2008 7:24 PM
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UMmmmm yes. Obama DID suggest the joint statement.

Obama suck up to the bill without any questions? Again calling someone else uninformed is a bit hypocritical given that Obama outlined in DETAIL his thoughts on the bailout. Do you actually read the news? McCain has yet to publically state ONE WAY OR THE OTHER what he wants to do with the bailout or any proposals. He offered NOT A SINGLE WORD in the presidential meeting. What happened to droping in like a saviour and fixing this mess? By the way what happened to NOT debating till there was a deal struck. Guess he flip-flopped on that as well just like he has with virtually every policy position.

Theatrics? You mean "suspending" your campaign (but not really) to fly to washington and create a bigger mess than before he got there? Oh wait at least he got a photo-op out of it.
As for your silly assertion about Obama shuffling off "promised" debates.....If a town hall debate in a red state (as proposed by Mccain)was rejected perhaps you might want to mull over why that might be a good political move for Obama. Last time i checked he was pushing for tonights debate. I fail to see the chicken in the pen that doubles for you critical thinking.

Public funding? Oh wait you mean the kind the FEC is investigating McCain for? The public financing that McCains didnt qualify for because he took out loans to pay for his campaign? So Obama should put himself at a disadvantage financially and McCain can continue to raise public funds?
LOL
KOO KOO
Go back in your little clock.

Posted by: feastorafamine | September 26, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

I used to be a Republican until they became the most LIBERAL spend crazy lunatics who are destroying our country!

Posted by: maphound | September 26, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

At 7:30 PM Omyobama wrote, in part, "McCain flew in like Mighty Mouse to save the day but all he did was create chaos and confusion...."

As one geezer to another, I must say that McCain fancies himself Steve Canyon, but more closely resembles Walter Mitty.

Posted by: officermancuso | September 26, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

toritto writes:

"I think that if a rescue bill is passed at the President's request it should include reversal of the Bush tax cuts."

Nobody stopping any of the idiot Obamites from paying more taxes to save America there dude. Send more of your own money to any damn charity you choose. Nobody is stopping you.

Ah, but you say, you are too poor and want somebody to give you more of their money. Therein is the key problem.

Posted by: KMichaels | September 26, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

KMichaels...
Obama actually READ the bill...McCain said he had not.
McCain now agrees with changes that would add a capital gains tax cut to the bailout bill. Does that make sense? Pour out billions on the one hand and decrease revenue on the other? Oh, right, we're already pouring $10 billion down the Iraq sinkhole, so what's another billion....trillion....zillion?
John McCain - who thinks anything below $5 million is middle class - has never managed so much as his own household budget, which is why he has no clue about money matters.

Posted by: joy2 | September 26, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Yea, u-toobs a real factual source of information that nobody can edit or discredit. You moron LIBERAL Republican.

Posted by: maphound | September 26, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Omyobama writes:
"McCain flew in like Mighty Mouse to save the day but all he did was create chaos and confusion, in the bailout negotiations and his own campaign."

What confusion did he cause exactly? He pointed out that the House Republicans were not on board yet. Checking the count verified that they were not. Which part of that is confusing to you? And chaos? Again, nice claim, lefty, now back it up.

As to the real cause of the subprime loan mess, see this informative video. It is a real eye-opener.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o

Posted by: KMichaels | September 26, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

I think that if a rescue bill is passed at the President's request it should include reversal of the Bush tax cuts.

:-)

Posted by: toritto | September 26, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

maphound writes:

"does't matter who wants what. The LIBERAL Bush administration is is totally responsible for this economic disaster!"

Really, how so? Are you too stupid to come up with evidence that proves responsibility.

It was Bush and McCain that wanted to control Fannie and Freddie with more regulations.

It was your dumbazz party, the Democrats that refused to control Fannie and Freddie until it was way too late.

Grow some brains dude, you just look stupid and misinformed.

Here wackos, get educated ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o

Posted by: KMichaels | September 26, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

By the time all is said and done, this economic disaster and war is going to cost the USA trillions of dollars.
Damn LIBERAL Republicans!

Posted by: maphound | September 26, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

"McCain suspended his campaign with much fanfare on Wednesday..." BUT HE DIDN'T!! I get so tired of the lazy reporting on this; tell me what he did to "suspend" his campaign? He appeared on 3 network news shows; Sarah Palin gave interviews; his surrogates were out in force, TV ads DID run ... come on! And his threat to hijack the debate tonite backfired -- he looks even more like the LIAR he has shown himself to be over the last few months. Sen. McCain flew in like Mighty Mouse to save the day but all he did was create chaos and confusion, in the bailout negotiations and his own campaign. I hope he shows his true colors tonite.

Posted by: Omyobama | September 26, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

kmichaels,

How about Dubya using Obamas Iraq withdrawl plan? How many times have you seen a sitting president use a plan from a candidate? Shows all you need to know about Obama.....

Posted by: rharring | September 26, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

"some Idiot wrote:

"John McCain can't use a computer because of injuries sustained while a POW in Vietnam"

Yeah. Right.

Stephen Hawkins can use a computer and he's WAY more physically disabled than McSame."

Actually, McCain uses computers, he just does not do alot of typing. If you read the news you would understand the facts.

It is because of his injury that he does not favor much typing. I guess in your hotheaded retarded anger you missed this key issue.

And last time I checked, Hawkings does not type much either.

Posted by: KMichaels | September 26, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Armybratt wrote:

"If both candidates had issued a joint statement of principles for the bailout bill, as Senator Obama originally suggested, it would have been easier for both parties to reach a consensus."

A joint statement was issued. I guess you missed it. But are you so naive to think that joint statements will be the end of what will be said and done? Yeah right.

And Obama suggested it? Again, right. Obama is the only one who cares, hardy har har.

Did you see Obama suck up to the bill without any questions or hesitation? Not my idea of a good leader that wants to spend a trillion dollars, no questions asked.

But Obama did do alot of talking. Just nothing relevent to the details of the bill.

So, brat, you figure that Obama does not do photo ops and theatrics? How about Obama claiming that he would debate McCain anytime and anyplace, then reneged on his offer?

How about Obama claiming that he would only take public funding for his campain and the reneged on that too?

Yep, Obama is a stuffed shirt empty suit with vain words and vain promises of finding the holy grail.

Posted by: KMichaels | September 26, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

The good news is that the First Amendment protects everyone's right to participate in an open dialogue such as this.
The bad news is that all of these screamers have the right to vote.

Posted by: muleman | September 26, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

KMichaels is a fckwad.

Posted by: barferio | September 26, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

some Idiot wrote:

"John McCain can't use a computer because of injuries sustained while a POW in Vietnam"

Yeah. Right.

Stephen Hawkins can use a computer and he's WAY more physically disabled than McSame.

The difference is: Stephen Hawkins is Smart.

McBush is not.

Maybe McGoo believes, like his bible thumping base, that "the internet is evil".

PS - Sara Palin should have just admitted that she has NO IDEA what is going on with the economy. At least she wouldn't have come across as another Liar.

Maybe next time.

Posted by: LeftwithNochoice | September 26, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

janet8 wrote:

The Democrats have the majority in the House and Senate and if they wanted this wonderful $750 Billion Bailout earmark laden legislation to pass, they could have passed it themselves.

_________

The current tally is 50 Dems, 48 Reps and 2 Independents. 60 votes are required to pass most legislation, not 51. All the Democrats gained in 2006 is the ability to be heard, but not enough to prevent Republican obstructionism.

Posted by: ArmyBrat68 | September 26, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

The Dems don't have to pass anything.

If they opposed it both the extreme left and extreme right would be happy.

Lefties dont want to bail out wall street and righties dont want to bail out wall st.

If the President wants a bill he needs to get his own party on board.

:-)

Posted by: toritto | September 26, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

It does't matter who wants what. The LIBERAL Bush administration is is totally responsible for this economic disaster! And the trillion dollar "war."
Damn LIBERAL Republicans!

Posted by: maphound | September 26, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Right barf, WaPo and NYT and LATimes and the MSM dont have their heads up Obama's behind. They are not constantly campaining on behalf of Obama, the empty suit propped up leftist.

BTW, barf, dont you think it also gets boring to hear you idiot leftists denying that there is indeed a leftist slant to the MSM?

Ah well, toddle off now.

Posted by: KMichaels | September 26, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

If both candidates had issued a joint statement of principles for the bailout bill, as Senator Obama originally suggested, it would have been easier for both parties to reach a consensus.

Senator McCain's theatrics - suspending his campaign (though not really) and bringing about an agreement with his presence (again, not really) have made his behavior seem bizarre to me.

Barack Obama has shown intelligence and reserve this week by trying to keep campaign politics out of the process. McCain makes me wary that we might end up with a president who governs by one inadvisable stunt (such as this week and the selection of Sarah Palin) after another.

Posted by: ArmyBrat68 | September 26, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats have the majority in the House and Senate and if they wanted this wonderful $750 Billion Bailout earmark laden legislation to pass, they could have passed it themselves.

The Democrats don't want just their fingerprints all over this Bailout because they know it's a bad deal for the US.

If that were not the case, the Democrats would have been boasting at what they did without the Republicans help.

Posted by: janet8 | September 26, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

The truth is spreading like wildfire.

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LOL. Are all you Repubs in the closet? Such drama queens!

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 26, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

idiot leftist maphound
writes

"$700,000,000,000!
Damn liberal Republicans!!!! First its the trillion dollar war, now the Wall Street bail out."

Ahem, Dems in majority, DUMBAzz

It was McCain and the Republican house that wanted to slow things down and take care of the taxpayers more, dimwitted bafoon.

Posted by: KMichaels | September 26, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

really KMichaels, that's getting old. Don't you have anything better to say than bashing the media?

It doesn't appear that you do. Heaping derision and scorn on people who have different political opinions than you ...my my.

Posted by: barferio | September 26, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

SORRY FORGOT THE LINK ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o

The VIDEO that DEMS dont want you to see.

See it here ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o

Posted by: KMichaels | September 26, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

The VIDEO that dems DONT WANT YOU TO WATCH.

Funny how the facts about the key problems seem to get overlooked by WaPo when their heads are up Obama's behind.

Watch this video and see for yourself the cause and effect.

This particular video was viewed 15,000 times 45 minutes ago and has now gotten up to 98,000 views since.

The truth is spreading like wildfire.

Posted by: KMichaels | September 26, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

$700,000,000,000!

Damn liberal Republicans!!!! First its the trillion dollar war, now the Wall Street bail out.

Ho could anyone continue to be a Republican?

Posted by: maphound | September 26, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

John McCain has no credibility when it comes to regulations for ANYTHING. It was his own economic guru, Phil Gramm, who is responsible for this mess - Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. Yes, Phil Gramm, who wrote McCain's economic plan and is STILL giving him advice (in spite of his so-called removal from the campaign for calling Americans a nation of whiners).

And speaking of who blinked first: It's a scientific fact that people who are lying blink rapidly and more frequently. Watch John "Blinky" McCain closely during tonight's debate.

Posted by: joy2 | September 26, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

The Dems will pass a rescue package at the President's request anytime the Republican House members are on board with it.

Posted by: toritto | September 26, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Hey Chris, how about you do less opinions and deal with just the facts. We are smart enough to see through your Obama worship. Dont you morons ever get into real journalism. Not ever piece is supposted to be an opinion piece. More facts, less of your idiotic lopsided yellow journalism please.

Typical Chris WaPo opinion:

"The news that John McCain will debate Barack Obama tonight in Mississippi is a concession by the Arizona senator that his attempt to score a quick political victory on legislation to bail out the financial sector did not pan out as he had hoped."

So, Chris what exactly was the Obama plan when he joined McCain and Bush? Did his plan pan out Chris? Or is your head so far up Obama's butt that you dont really know.

Our nation could use a hefty dose of truthful reporting Chris. Why dont you try some when you get bored in campaining for Obama.

Posted by: KMichaels | September 26, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Is it too late to draft Mitt?

Posted by: bobnsri | September 26, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Lets have a quick review of the GOP since i have been alive. Born in 64:

Richard Nixon: Resigned before he could be impeached.

Gerald Ford: Had the Watergate albatross around his neck so we wont know what he could have done.

Ronald Reagan: Ah how people have a short memory about the GOP messiah. Delays the return of our hostages from Iran, then turns around and sells arms to the Iranians, same people who really wanted to do Americans harm. And how about Iran-Contra that gave us such fine Americans as Ollie North and John Poindexter. Or the fact that after Nicaragua holds an election the Reagan admin says no to the guy they elected and place there guy in charge which lead to over 400,000 deaths of Nicaraguan men women and children.

George HW Bush: So concerned with our problems he looks at his watch during a debate.

And then good ole Dubya: He was only interested in getting whoever raised the most money for him placed in key spots. Brownie, Gonzalez all his nice chronies.

So again can someone tell my why they think the GOP is better at running the country? If they were an airline they would have crashed so many times that nobody would fly them anymore, so why would you trust them to govern correctly?

Posted by: rharring | September 26, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

37&O,

When will you come up with some real facts. If i had a dollar for every time i have heard empty suit or Barack Hussein i could have wiped out this financial problem myself. Dont you realize American has finally gotten smarter and doesnt fall for your empty posts?

___________________

Not worth bothering about 37.
I suspect he or she is an undiagnosed ADHD and just likes to be provocative.
Given the hilarious bombast, that is the most charitable diagnosis one could make.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 26, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Lets take a peek at McCains lifetime of deregulation.....

McCain Supported A Banking Bill Because It Eliminated “The Tremendous Regulatory Burden Imposed On Financial Institutions.” While speaking in favor of bank deregulation on the floor of the senate, John McCain said, “This legislation takes a small but important step toward eliminating the tremendous regulatory burden imposed on financial institutions… One principal reason banks are unable to make loans is the bewildering array of statutory and regulatory restrictions and paperwork requirements imposed by Congress and the regulatory agencies. While a case can certainly be made that every law and regulation is intended to serve a laudable purpose, the aggregate effect of the rapidly increasing regulatory burden imposed on banks is to cause them to devote substantial time, energy and money to compliance rather than meeting the credit needs of the community.” [Congressional Record, 11/19/93; emphasis added]

McCain Supported A Bill To “Takes A Small Step Forward Toward Eliminating Unnecessary Regulatory Burdens Imposed On Banks.” While speaking in favor of bank deregulation on the floor of the senate, John McCain said, “While a case can certainly be made that every law and regulation is intended to serve a laudable purpose, the aggregate effect of the rapidly increasing regulatory burden imposed on banks is to cause them to devote substantial time, energy and money to compliance rather than meeting the credit needs of the community … This bill recognizes this fact, and takes a small step forward toward eliminating unnecessary regulatory burdens imposed on banks.” [Congressional Record, 11/19/93; emphasis added]

McCain Said The Best Thing Government Can Do For Business Is “Stay Out Of Its Way.” While speaking about the American Competitiveness in the Twenty-First Century Act on the floor on the Senate in 2000, John McCain said, “I am convinced that the best thing government can often do to advance the fortunes of the private sector is to stay out of its way. I support this bill because it makes progress toward that end, by improving companies’ flexibility to hire the talent they need, while providing for the regulatory framework and new educational opportunities to protect and promote American workers.” [Congressional Record, 10/3/00; emphasis added]

In 1999, McCain Supported Phil Gramm’s Banking Deregulation Bill. In 1999, John McCain voted for passage of the Senate version of a bill that would eliminate current barriers erected by the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act and other laws that impede affiliations between banking, securities, insurance and other firms. The bill also would exempt small, non-urban banks from the 1977 Community Reinvestment Act (CRA), revise the Federal Home Loan Bank system and require that owners of automated teller machines (ATMs) provide notice on the ATM and on-screen of any charges imposed for the use of the terminal. The bill passed 54-44. [S. 900, Vote #105, 5/6/99]

McCain Missed The Vote For Final Passage Because He Was Campaigning In New Hampshire. John McCain missed the final vote on Phil Gramm’s banking deregulation bill because he was campaigning in New Hampshire. [NPR, “Morning Edition,” 11/5/99; S. 900, Vote #354, 11/4/99]

McCain: “I Don’t Think Anyone Who Wants To Increase The Burden Of Government Regulation And Higher Taxes Has Any Real Understanding Of Economics.” During a McCain Town Hall in Inez, Kentucky, John McCain said, “When we come out of this recession and we will because I believe that the fundamentals of our economy are good … Sen. Clinton wants the government to make the decisions for you on your health care, I want the families to make the decisions on their health care. I don’t think anyone who wants to increase the burden of government regulation and higher taxes has any real understanding of economics and the economy and what is needed in order to ensure the future of this country.” [McCain Town Hall in Inez, Kentucky, 4/23/08; emphasis added]


McCain: “I Understand Why The AFL-CIO And Maybe Other Unions May Oppose My Free Market, Less Regulation, Right To Work.” During an appearance on Fox’s “Special Report with Brit Hume,” John McCain said, “I understand why the AFL-CIO and maybe other unions may oppose my free market less regulation right to work. I think we have honest differences of opinion. I respect those labor unions, but I’m sure that those differences are very intense and very real.” [Fox News,” Special Report with Brit Hume,” 3/12/08]

McCain: “Let’s Reduce Regulation.” While speaking about the economy in St. Louis, Missouri, John McCain said, “I’m asked all the time are we in a recession or not in a recession. And I don’t know the answer to that because it’s kind of a technical term… I do not believe we should raise your taxes. I think it would be the worst thing we could do. And that means to me I think the tax cuts need to be made permanent. When you’ve got a bad economy, the worst thing you can do is increase people’s tax burden. Let’s reduce it. Let’s reduce regulation.” [CNN, “Ballot Bowl, 3/15/08]

McCain: “We Need To Return To The Reagan Years… We Need Less Regulation.” As shown on PBS’s “Washington Week,” John McCain said, “We need to return to the Reagan years. We need to have fiscal conservatism. We need less government. We need less regulation. We need to end of spending spree which has eroded our base of Republican support.” [PBS, “Washington Week,” 1/25/08]

McCain Promised To “Give Them Lower Taxes, Less Regulation, Less Government In Their Lives.” As shown on CNN’s “CNN Newsroom,” John McCain said, “We’ve got to do the other things necessary to encourage business and give them lower taxes, less regulation, less government in their lives, and that means a simpler, fairer — tax code. The tax code in America is broken and it needs to be fixed.” [CNN, “CNN Newsroom,” 2/14/08]

To Fix the Economy, McCain Would “We’ve Got To Take Specific Actions, Keep Their Taxes Low, Less Regulation.” As shown on ABC’s “Good Morning America,” John McCain said, “That our economy is in terrible shape, that we’ve got to take specific actions, keep their taxes low, less regulation, get - start exploring and exploiting offshore oil deposits.” [ABC, “Good Morning America,” 7/2/08]

McCain Said The Difference Between Obama & Himself Would Be “More Regulation Or Less Regulation.” During a media availability in Phoenix, Arizona, John McCain said, “I think the important thing is that there will be stark differences between either Senator [Clinton] or Senator Obama and me because they are liberal Democrats and I’m a conservative Republican… whether we pursue the present strategy in Iraq or whether we — or whether we set a date for withdrawal, which will mean Al Qaida wins; whether we have more regulation or less regulation.” [McCain Media Availability via CQ Transcriptions, 3/3/08; emphasis added]

McCain: “Less Government, Lower Taxes, Less Regulation, Safer America Is What I Can Give America.” During an appearance on CBS’s “60 Minutes,” John McCain said, “I can make a case that a less government, lower taxes, less regulation, safer America is what I can give America. But I don’t underestimate the size of the challenge.” [CBS, “60 Minutes,” 3/9/08]

OOPS!
Yet ONE MORE THING McCain has FLIP_FLOPPED on.

Posted by: feastorafamine | September 26, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

On the McCain/Palin ticket, it turns out PALIN has the brains!

Scary.

Posted by: bobnsri | September 26, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Several comments have predicted that this economic mess will be devastating for McCain, the candidate of the incumbent presidential party, and I agree. (See erik031 at 6:38 PM and cam8 at 4:37 PM).

McCain has a further problem: It's very unusual for one party to hold the White House for more than two terms. That's just about long enough to take the bloom off the rose and make the grass look greener on the other side of the hill, if I may pile truism upon truism.

Just about the only cases where the same party's won a 3'rd consecutive term in the presidency involve an extraordinarily popular two-term president getting the ball rolling. Andrew Jackson - Martin Van Buren. Franklin D. Roosevelt - Harry Truman. Ronald Reagan - George H.W. Bush. Each of those extraordinarily popular two-term presidents can be said to have realigned the way the USA votes in a lasting way.

Not even the most crazed McCain advocate would claim that George W. Bush has been an extraordinarily popular president.

Couple his unpopularity with the economic mess as his eight years of mismanagement draw to a close, and you've got a remarkably high mountain for McCain to climb.

It's no wonder he's been showing signs of desperation.

Posted by: officermancuso | September 26, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Lazerboy,

I think that woman was talking about George W. Bush.

37&O,

When will you come up with some real facts. If i had a dollar for every time i have heard empty suit or Barack Hussein i could have wiped out this financial problem myself. Dont you realize American has finally gotten smarter and doesnt fall for your empty posts?

Posted by: rharring | September 26, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Some of this bailout rhetoric is really funny.

This public knows this financial collapse happened under an inept GOP Administration.

It is the Republican President and the Republican Secretary of the Treasury who insist the rescue is necessary now to avoid financial collapse.

The Dems responded and acted on the GOP President's request.

It is now the REPUBLICAN House members that suddenly are not on board.

One could ask "Why should the Dems go out of their way to do anything? They won't be blamed.

Let the banking system stay on oxygen until the House GOP is ready to talk sensibly.

:-)

Posted by: toritto | September 26, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

I am voting Independent for Nader to make my vote/voice heard.


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Does a vote cast in the wilderness make a sound?

No, but it is certainly an American right to cast it. Voting one's conscience is a scared right, if not duty. If you feel America will be a better nation for it, cast away.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 26, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

I wish I could be excited about these 4 candidates. Hillary was the one and experience from both the Clinton's made sense to me. But I feel disapointed in Congress and leaders. I wish things were simplier to understand so we could all feel a part of a democracy. The press and showbiz hasn't helped. I am voting Independent for Nader to make my vote/voice heard.

Posted by: crrobin | September 26, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

tsapp77,

Lucky for America, most folks are smarter than you, and even know how to count! Three and a half years (Obama's time in US senate) is not 140 days. In addition, Obama was in the Illinois senate for 8 years, and a constitutional law professor for 12 years. (since you have difficulty counting, that's about 12 years of lawmaking experience and a total of about 25 years of experience relevant to leading this country) Then there's his degree in international relations, and his experience on veterans and the foreign relations senate committees, etc etc.

As for the "extreme liberal" BS, the only reason Obama was rated as "liberal" by the National Journal was because they counted ethics reform as "liberal". Obama was the author of the largest ethics reform bill in the US senate since watergate.


It's ok to dislike Obama. You don't have to like someone to vote for them. Vote for whom you want to, but to start slinging around BS that anyone can google to fact check makes you look like a fool.

Posted by: julieds | September 26, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

This whole episode appears rather bizarre at first glance; but in truth it is politics as usual—the same broken government McCain, Obama and the American voters rail against day in and day out. I don’t believe McCain is in cahoots with the Boehner gang. Rather, it’s a case of House republicans promoting their core laissez faire values. McCain simply stumbled into their lair as they plotted their counter-offensive to the Paulson plan. Despite fanfare (and lofty expectations) McCain generated in announcing a suspension of his campaign (now largely view as a ill-advised ploy to cast himself as a leader) to return to Washington to save the day, McCain’s presence was more third-wheel than leader.

By all accounts, McCain only spoke for a couple of minutes at the end of the meeting; did not ask any probative questions; acknowledged a looming financial crisis, yet failed to either support the revised Paulson plan, the Boehner plan, or offer a plan of his own. McCain’s presence hardly constitutes a contribution—let alone a sterling example of leadership.

McCain painted himself into a corner. Boehner republicans created a proposal which flies in the face of the “new populist” McCain. Typical of republicans, Boehner’s gang wants billions of taxpayer dollars ($350 billion) for a bailout; additional banking and financial deregulation to let more fluid Wall Street firms in on the deal (buy low and sell high; but if the investments don’t pan out, then they can unload their bad investments on the taxpayers just as there colleagues did); require insurance on some government purchased investments, purportedly to protect the taxpayers, but also in the process guaranteeing millions of dollars in premiums to Wall Street corporations; and, of course the standard republican tax break for the rich: a cut in capital gains tax.

Boehner’s proposal is contrary to the “new populist” McCain who is now (or so he claims) for more regulation to end Wall Street corruption and abuse; against rewards for Wall Street crooks; for tax breaks for the middle class; and investments in Main Street. Further, Boehner’s proposal represents Republican Party business as usual—McCain, on the other hand, is selling himself as the “Maverick” who rails against his Party. If McCain embraces Boehner’s proposal, he’s pegged as a GOP stalwart.

It should be noted that McCain is “celebrated” for reaching across the aisle—not leading on his side of the aisle. Fact of the matter, the conservative republican core in both Houses do not like McCain; McCain has never rallied the conservative republican core in either House for a conservative republican initiative; republicans in the House made it abundantly clear they speak for themselves—they will not be led by either McCain or Bush. No “leadership” credits due McCain from his side of the aisle.

Nor will McCain receive any “leadership” credits from the bipartisan negotiation team as McCain had absolutely nothing to do with the Paulson Plan negotiations.

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McCain’s campaign is in trouble. While McCain falters in Washington, Palin blundered on the campaign trail. Palin’s answers to questions from CBS news anchor, Katie Couric, and the press corp at times bordered on incoherent. Videos of Palin’s most unintelligible answers are repeatedly played on national news networks and internet video sites. The Republican Party is spinning Palin’s muddled ramblings as nervousness—the American voters are just spinning from her nonsensical chatter.

While many in the conservative party base continue to support Palin, many educated and well-respected conservative voices are sounding the alarm on the problems Palin poses for the republican’s bid to hold onto the White House. Kathleen Parker, Conservative Syndicated Columnist, who lavishly praised and staunchly defended Palin in the weeks following her selection, is now calling on Palin to “save McCain, her party and the country she loves” by dropping out of the race.

Parker, like many other conservatives, understands McCain needs more than the conservative base to win the election. McCain needs women, Independents and the so called “Reagan Democrats.” McCain faces a monumental battle for the White House. Republican voter registration is flat against the substantially growing democrat voter registration. Polls indicate 2 of 3 Americans blame the republicans for our economic troubles. The “Palin Effect” has run its course. Worse, instead of attracting women voters to McCain, as her selection was designed to do, Palin’s conservative ideology sent women running to Obama.

Independent and moderate democrat voters, like my husband, will support a newcomer; but the newcomer must, at a minimum, demonstrate the ability to formulate and articulate the fundamentals of government policy; communicate a comprehensive understanding of domestic issues; and engage in intelligible discourse. While the Republican Party insists Palin is a “quick study,” her interviews are hard evidence to the contrary.

McCain cannot win this election with the party base alone. Republican voter registration is flat, and democrat registration is up substantially. Polls show 2 of 3 Americans blame republicans for the current economic mess. The “Palin Effect” has run its course. Worse, instead of attracting women voters to McCain, as her selection was designed to do, Palin’s ideology sent women running to Obama’s camp. Unless McCain can pull a few more rabbits out of his hat, he won’t win this election. McCain’s first opportunity will come tonight at the presidential debate.

Posted by: jandcgall1 | September 26, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Ddawg

Don't you think you should know what you are talking about, or at least read the articles, before you and the rest of the Obama campaign start calling people liars? It is pathetic because you have nothing left.


Obama is an empty suit and the people at his headquarters are even less impressive.


Politico states:


Blunt said Republicans want “meaningful” changes to the Paulson plan, not “some type of window dressing to say it’s there.” But a top adviser to Republican presidential candidate John McCain said adding the insurance language—even as just an option— would be helpful. If Paulson were to reject the idea, the authority would still be available for a new president and secretary next year.


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Posted by: 37thandOStreet | September 26, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Poor guy. He's gone from maverick to loose cannon.

He's the last guy on earth who should have a finger on the button.

Posted by: rwolf01 | September 26, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

"Expect McCain to draw heavily on his experiences over the last few days in tonight's debate, casting himself as someone willing to put aside partisanship for the good of the country and Obama as nothing more than a partisan warrior."

Yes, I think this is exactly what this was about. He and his campaign desperately needed something - positive - to show that could in some way balance the blunders and statements he has done on economy the last week, and the not-so-good (actually really bad) record of financial deregulation policy he has. I don't think there is anybody who can spin him out of this. The economic crisis is absolutely devestating for the GOP candidate.

Posted by: erik031 | September 26, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

What if the REAL divide in America is not racial, not money, not politics.......what if the real divide of America is between stupidity and intelligence? What if the intelligent people are reading the facts, and realizing truism, yet the stupid people are fighting with mean words and name calling, all the while taking NO time to study facts, truth and WHO has shown the MOST desire for change or the most desire for votes? WAKE UP AMERICA VOTE FOR OBAMA

Posted by: ocean62657 | September 26, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Gotta love tsapp77 posting his attack on Obama 6 times in the same forum. Typical Republican strategy. Repeat a lie over and over again, and maybe you can convince everyone it is true. Come on, Dude. You only need to click "submit" once.

Allan3, you rock. I laughed by butt off.

Posted by: wemadeAmericagreat | September 26, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

McCain is the Right Man to lead this country in this economic crisis - it is clear. Everyone in Washington listens to McCain.

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Your assessment is 100% incorrect and sooo phoney. Mc Cain has stuck a big nail in his coffin and he did it to himself. Dont' blame Obama on McCain's nutty idea to think he was the only Senator worthy to stop the bailout deadlock. He realy showed how phoney and stupid he really is and you know it!

Posted by: TimeforChange | September 26, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Harry Reid is the one who torpedoed the negotiations this week - because he wanted Obama to get credit for something Obama did not do.


again.


Obama has always had some senior legislator putting Obama's name on legislation to assist Obama in building up his resume - please research EMIL JONES IN THE ILLINOIS LEGISLATURE.


SERIOUSLY PEOPLE CAN THERE BE A PERSON WHO IS MORE OF AN EMPTY SUIT ???


OBAMA - LET HIM DO SOMETHING WITH HIS CAREER BEFORE HE LOOKS FOR A PROMOTION.


OBAMA IS A JOKE - WOULD ANY BUSINESSMAN EVEN HIRE THIS GUY - MUCH LESS PROMOTE HIM TO THE TOP OF A COMPANY AFTER SUCH A SHORT TIME ???


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Posted by: 37thandOStreet | September 26, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

"McCain actually was able to get massively better provisions for the American taxpayer inserted into this agreement "

Such as?

Oh wait, you're LYING.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 26, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Often times, persons only see things through their own prism. This writer is an example of this. "Everything is only political when McCain does something". Sounds like like something this writer would say.

The truth and the facts are that McCain has, on many occasions, placed the needs of his country first and his political ambition second.

The reality is that the next President will have to live with the detail in the possible $700 billion bailout proposed by the Democratic leadership in both Houses, the Republican Senate leadership and the Bush Administration. This is something that McCain understands full well, while Obama either does not get it or care. "Let somebody deal with it. If the outcome is a winner, it is my idea. If it is a loser, I did not have anything to do with it."

Historically McCain, as he did in the Feingold/McCain Campaign Financing Reform bill, Immigration Reform, joining thirteen other US Senators from both parties to approve held up judicial nominations and now this issue, looks at sound solutions and is willing to get his hands dirty to do what he was elected to do as a US Senator.

Obama, as he has done historically, as a community activist and organizer, a member of the Illinois State Senate and for a few years in the US Senate, avoids tough issues and has never been bipartisan to solve any tough issue. He runs from tough decisions, not towards them.

The difference between a leader and a follower is, the former is willing to take risks for the good of the country. The latter says "call me if you need me" or I am not going to stop campaigning because the leadership of the Democratic Party says don't worry, we don't need you.

Now, who between these two types do you want to answer the 3:00 am morning crisis call at the White House?

Duh!

Posted by: rljmsilver | September 26, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Take a look at the latest poll data. Obama's now leading McCain 288 to 241 in the electoral vote.

http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/

Posted by: CynthiaD1 | September 26, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Certain pro-McCain posters seem obsessed with Obama's birth certificate. That is a curious thing to focus on during an election when the sitting president says we're staring economic disaster in the face. The nation is waging two wars that threaten to morph into four if Pakistan and Iran are tossed onto the fire. What had looked like a diplomatic triump with regard to a nuclear or nearly nuclear and loony North Korea is cratering.

But that's what hard-core Republicans have to work with, and they're working it. That, and the lipstick wars, and posturing.

Speaking of posturing, what's with the House Republicans suddenly making Democrats out to be enemies of the common people for reaching across the aisle to work with a Republican president in the face of a financial panic?

They're shameless. But we already knew that - hasn't the word "Rove" become a synonym for "shameless manipulation of elections"?

Posted by: officermancuso
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I hope that you're not just discovering this. Focusing on stupid trivia is a hallmark con tactic and until recently it has served them well.

And we can also add flag pins and lipstick to that stupid list. There's also typing all in Caps and clicking the Submit button 3 or 4 times.

Posted by: CynthiaD1 | September 26, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Um WAKE UP AMERICA!? It's fine to be a loyal Republican, OR Democrat. But when you have physical evidence in front of your face that your candidate has chosen a VP that has lied, misconstrued information, and had to stay hidden! (Maybe b/c they want us stupid Americans to FORGET about Troopergage, 25thousand of gifts in 2 years as a Gov, seeing Russia, and....seeing Russia, the Bridge to Nowhere, and MOST OF ALL.......McCain hss been a Bush croney for years! Also, he's 72 and his backup is a moose call away from running our country, AND Fannie Mae paid McCains campaign 15THOUSAND A MONTH. A MONTH. Since 2006! WAKE UP AMERICA READ THE FACTS AND VOTE FOR OBAMA

Posted by: ocean62657 | September 26, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

GOP Women are peeling off:

September 26, 2008, 0:00 a.m.

Palin Problem
She’s out of her league.

By Kathleen Parker


If at one time women were considered heretical for swimming upstream against feminist orthodoxy, they now face condemnation for swimming downstream — away from Sarah Palin.

To express reservations about her qualifications to be vice president — and possibly president — is to risk being labeled anti-woman.

Or, as I am guilty of charging her early critics, supporting only a certain kind of woman.

Some of the passionately feminist critics of Palin who attacked her personally deserved some of the backlash they received. But circumstances have changed since Palin was introduced as just a hockey mom with lipstick — what a difference a financial crisis makes — and a more complicated picture has emerged.

As we’ve seen and heard more from John McCain’s running mate, it is increasingly clear that Palin is a problem. Quick study or not, she doesn’t know enough about economics and foreign policy to make Americans comfortable with a President Palin should conditions warrant her promotion.

Yes, she recently met and turned several heads of state as the United Nations General Assembly convened in New York. She was gracious, charming and disarming. Men swooned. Pakistan’s president wanted to hug her. (Perhaps Osama bin Laden is dying to meet her?)

And, yes, she has common sense, something we value. And she’s had executive experience as a mayor and a governor, though of relatively small constituencies (about 6,000 and 680,000, respectively).

Finally, Palin’s narrative is fun, inspiring and all-American in that frontier way we seem to admire. When Palin first emerged as John McCain’s running mate, I confess I was delighted. She was the antithesis and nemesis of the hirsute, Birkenstock-wearing sisterhood — a refreshing feminist of a different order who personified the modern successful working mother.

Palin didn’t make a mess cracking the glass ceiling. She simply glided through it.

It was fun while it lasted.

Palin’s recent interviews with Charles Gibson, Sean Hannity, and now Katie Couric have all revealed an attractive, earnest, confident candidate. Who Is Clearly Out Of Her League.

No one hates saying that more than I do. Like so many women, I’ve been pulling for Palin, wishing her the best, hoping she will perform brilliantly. I’ve also noticed that I watch her interviews with the held breath of an anxious parent, my finger poised over the mute button in case it gets too painful. Unfortunately, it often does. My cringe reflex is exhausted.

Palin filibusters. She repeats words, filling space with deadwood. Cut the verbiage and there’s not much content there. Here’s but one example of many from her interview with Hannity: “Well, there is a danger in allowing some obsessive partisanship to get into the issue that we’re talking about today. And that’s something that John McCain, too, his track record, proving that he can work both sides of the aisle, he can surpass the partisanship that must be surpassed to deal with an issue like this.”

When Couric pointed to polls showing that the financial crisis had boosted Obama’s numbers, Palin blustered wordily: “I’m not looking at poll numbers. What I think Americans at the end of the day are going to be able to go back and look at track records and see who’s more apt to be talking about solutions and wishing for and hoping for solutions for some opportunity to change, and who’s actually done it?”

If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street herself.

If Palin were a man, we’d all be guffawing, just as we do every time Joe Biden tickles the back of his throat with his toes. But because she’s a woman — and the first ever on a Republican presidential ticket — we are reluctant to say what is painfully true.

What to do?

McCain can’t repudiate his choice for running mate. He not only risks the wrath of the GOP’s unforgiving base, but he invites others to second-guess his executive decision-making ability. Barack Obama faces the same problem with Biden.

Only Palin can save McCain, her party, and the country she loves. She can bow out for personal reasons, perhaps because she wants to spend more time with her newborn. No one would criticize a mother who puts her family first.

Do it for your country.

— Kathleen Parker is a nationally syndicated columnist.

© 2008, Washington Post Writers Group

Posted by: concernedaboutdc | September 26, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

McCain showed himself to be a Leader this week.


Obama was a non-entity (what about me? I was preparing for a debate)


Obama clearly showed he was more concerned about the campaign than he was concerned about the HEALTH OF THE ECONOMY.

McCain looked PRESIDENTIAL this week.


McCain actually was able to get massively better provisions for the American taxpayer inserted into this agreement - Obama just sat there and did nothing. Obama looked totally out of place in the White House with the Congressional Leadership.


Obama looked really horrible.

McCain is the Leader that will make American strong.

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Posted by: 37thandOStreet | September 26, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is the first U.S. Presidential candidate in history who runs around with his "Hair On Fire". Then he pulls out a fire extinguisher, sprays his head, and takes credit for accomplishing something.

Posted by: allan3
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Dear allan3

I cannot thank you enough for this post. I laughed so loud I scared my cats. I hope you don't mind but I've copied it and will be quoting you (with credit) all over the place!

It is by far the best descripiton I've heard yet about how Senator McCain is conducting his campaign.

You made my day...

Posted by: dealingwithfacts | September 26, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a fool.

Posted by: storyofthefifthpeach | September 26, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

McCain is the Right Man to lead this country in this economic crisis - it is clear. Everyone in Washington listens to McCain.

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Posted by: 37thandOStreet | September 26, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Where did the Democrats dredge up this extreme Liberal? He has to be the most ill-prepared, inexperienced, naive candidate ever foisted upon the American people. His tenure of 140 days has prepared him for absolutely nothing. If the American people knew the details about his background, they would never vote for him. An Obama presidency could endanger our personal safety and our national securtiy because our enemies will become emboldened and believe we have lost our collective minds.

Posted by: tsapp77 | September 26, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

I have the same thoughts as others on this blog, It seems as if McCain cannot do much without Lieberman and Lindsay Graham. What gives? Also, it seems that Cindy and Todd are almost glued to their spouses. What does this really mean?

McCain tried a ploy. It failed. The spinners have been full speed ahead. To hear some of the Republican spokespersons, you would think that they live in a fantasy land. The American people are not idots, at least not the 49% who are for Obama.

Posted by: EarlC | September 26, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Where did the Democrats dredge up this extreme Liberal? He has to be the most ill-prepared, inexperienced, naive candidate ever foisted upon the American people. His tenure of 140 days has prepared him for absolutely nothing. If the American people knew the details about his background, they would never vote for him. An Obama presidency could endanger our personal safety and our national securtiy because our enemies will become emboldened and believe we have lost our collective minds.

Posted by: tsapp77 | September 26, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Where did the Democrats dredge up this extreme Liberal? He has to be the most ill-prepared, inexperienced, naive candidate ever foisted upon the American people. His tenure of 140 days has prepared him for absolutely nothing. If the American people knew the details about his background, they would never vote for him. An Obama presidency could endanger our personal safety and our national securtiy because our enemies will become emboldened and beleive we have lost our collective minds.

Posted by: tsapp77 | September 26, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Where did the Democrats dredge up this extreme Liberal? He has to be the most ill-prepared, inexperienced, naive candidate ever foisted upon the American people. His tenure of 140 days has prepared him for absolutely nothing. If the American people knew the details about his background, they would never vote for him. An Obama presidency could endanger our personal safety and our national securtiy because our enemies will become emboldened and believe we have lost our collective minds.

Posted by: tsapp77 | September 26, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Where did the Democrats dredge up this extreme Liberal? He has to be the most ill-prepared, inexperienced, naive candidate ever foisted upon the American people. His tenure of 140 days has prepared him for absolutely nothing. If the American people knew the details about his background, they would never vote for him. An Obama presidency could endanger our personal safety and our national securtiy because our enemies will become emboldened and beleive we have lost our collective minds.

Posted by: tsapp77 | September 26, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Where did the Democrats dredge up this extreme Liberal? He has to be the most ill-prepared, inexperienced, naive candidate ever foisted upon the American people. His tenure of 140 days has prepared him for absolutely nothing. If the American people knew the details about his background, they would never vote for him. An Obama presidency could endanger our personal safety and our national securtiy because our enemies will become emboldened and beleive we have lost our collective minds.

Posted by: tsapp77 | September 26, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

"You know he didn't get there by himself, he doesn't belong up there, he doesn't know what to do while he's up there, and you wonder what kind of dumb ass put him up there to begin with."

PEOPLE THAT LIVES IN GLASS HOUSE SHOULD NOT THROW STONES AT THEIR NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!

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LOL. Honey-chil, it just don't work.

Obama put himself where he is on his own initiative, millions agree, he has run a brilliant campaign, and is the only smart one in the bunch.

If you use humor, it's gotta have some basis in reality. I know that's tough for you Palindrones, but do try.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 26, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Once again McCain has turned a major political stunt into a major political mistake. His appearance in Washington did nothing but delay an agreement that had been reached in principal and almost trashed it. He absolutely politicized the whole mess, he allegedly suspended his campaign (although zero evidence that any suspension was done is available), he basically went against his President and in the end looked like a buffoon. To try and blame Obama for any of this is crazy. Obama came across as thoughtful and Presidential not like a raving lunatic. Then to make matters worse Palin messed up another interview(so far she is 0 wins 2 losses and 1 tie).

The important thing here is to look at the cumulative effects of how McCain has run his campaign. Time and time again he has made rash decisions and made rash statements and then had to back track or explain his position or defend Palin. He has been on the defensive. Even conservative media folks are throwing their hands up. McCain/Palin both are unqualified to be President.

Posted by: rcc_2000 | September 26, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

I already know what we're going to hear from McCain tonight. It's the same line of bullcrap that he's been using for the last two years:

"Surge, Drill, POW....my friends"

*rinse and repeat


This is what I really want to hear from John McBush:

"I apologize."


"I John McCain, apologize to the American people that for the last eight years the very tactics I deride were used by me to lie you into a war that killed your sons and daughters and bankrupted your treasury."


"I John McCain, apologize to the American people that since day one of the George W. Bush administration, questioning our opponent's love of country (Obama) has been the go-to card of liars and cheats and the morally bankrupt partisan hacks like myself."


"I John McCain, apologize to the American people that the patriotism-questioning accusations that now, finally, have forced me to rush, sweaty and indignant, to this microphone has been the sole campaign tactic of myself and my party."


"I John McCain, apologize to the American people for the President... who I probably should admit is a Republican... and whom I have used as a fundraising tool to get elected and whom I've voted with at preposterous levels and whom, though I have always secretly hated, knowing he was a incurious, self-hating, daddy-obsessed, 'taint-of-man, I was willing to prop him up until the very moment when he started to threaten my own hold on this election."


"I John McCain, apologize that my greatest wish has been to eat money and crap gold, which is why I'm only NOW so angry about the unrepentant hate and bile spewed by the man sitting behind the once-hallowed desk at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue."


"And I John McCain, apologize because by making THIS SPEECH/Debate, without acknowledging all the above, I have proven myself to be utterly and completely soulless and a two bit lying thug who above all else craves power for the sake of power and nothing else."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnb2IrsU1Cg
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Posted by: DrainYou | September 26, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

"Following the debate, he will return to Washington to ensure that all voices and interests are represented in the final agreement, especially those of taxpayers and homeowners."

You have got to be kidding me. Not "help ensure"; not "lend his support". If you were a Republican congressperson, wouldn't you be thoroughly insulted by this clear insinuation that no one else but Sen. McCain is capable of ensuring that taxpayers' and homeowners' interests would be considered?

"Both parties in both houses of Congress and the administration needed to come together to find a solution that would deserve the trust of the American people. And while there were attempts to do that, much of yesterday was spent fighting over who would get the credit for a deal and who would get the blame for failure."

Someone please explain how this statement, which insults all the parties involved, is helpful in the context of delicate and important negotiations.

If (God help us) Sen. McCain is elected President, how will this statement help him win support in a Democratic-controlled Congress? Support from his fellow Republicans?

Has anyone heard anyone other than the McCain camp itself report that McCain has added anything to the negotiation process? (No, Sen. Graham does not count.)

Removed from its clearly and IMO cynically political context, this full statement makes McCain appears clinically delusional. So I guess he now has the delusional vote.

For my part, it's yet more evidence that Sen. McCain would be a disaster as president.

Posted by: jetchs | September 26, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

A 70-year-old Texas rancher got her hand caught in a gate while working cattle. She wrapped the hand in her bandanna and drove her pickup to the doctor. While suturing the laceration, the doctor asked the old woman what she thought about Sen. Obama.

The old Texan said, "Well, ya know, Sen. Obama is a post-turtle."

Not knowing what the old rancher meant, the doctor asked her what a post-turtle was.

The old woman looked at him and drawled, "When you're driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a post-turtle."

The old woman saw a puzzled look on the doctor's face, so she continued to explain:

"You know he didn't get there by himself, he doesn't belong up there, he doesn't know what to do while he's up there, and you wonder what kind of dumb ass put him up there to begin with."

PEOPLE THAT LIVES IN GLASS HOUSE SHOULD NOT THROW STONES AT THEIR NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: lazerboy | September 26, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

So, just how does siding with the President make Obama so partisan???? what nonsense.

Posted by: WD678 | September 26, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

"McCain isn't a "maverick," he is Captain Queeg."

MagicDog,

Let's just hope that there's a question about strawberries tonight.

Posted by: cam8 | September 26, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

PS to Chris:

WilliamJ1 is right. Please, PLEASE (for the sake of your country if not from purely professional ethics) DO YOUR JOB and stop just repeating the canned spin lines.

Please.

Posted by: miraclestudies | September 26, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

lazerboy is it getting lonely out there in McCain land?

Nobody, I mean NObody who isn't a McCain todie believes he did anything but pull a desperate stunt during the past few days.

There are plenty of stunts to go around on both sides, but for you to deny it for your side informs the readers here that you are not going to see anything but what you want to see.

So why not just fill out the form and send it in the snail mail. We've already heard from your kind, your opinion will not change based on the facts ... why bother listening to you at all?

Posted by: barferio | September 26, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Surprise. Surprise.

John McCain - Mr. "I'm All For Deregulation and Russia's Entirely Evil" - hasn't been right about ANYTHING yet.

(And yes, I include the "surge" in that assessment as the greatest reduction in violence in Iraq - contrary to McCain's self-congratulatory and delusional fiction - was the direct result of the Sunni Awakening and the finalization of ethnic cleansing in Baghdad's neighborhoods.)

John McCain = wrong temperament, wrong ideas, wrong century.

Posted by: miraclestudies | September 26, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

* CC, YOUR ARTICLE IS BIASED AGAINST SEN. MCCAIN.

I do not have to get into the specifics because even a child could figure out your bias. You are just repeating the same garbage the TV media is pushing. Frankly, I believe most of the news coming out of the negotiation room in Washington is politically motivated. So, don't swallow that horse pill those Senators and Representatives are selling.

* BTW, Sen. McCain has always put country first. Look at his record! He advised Pres. Clinton during Kosovo/Bosnia war. When, it was politically incorrect to send more troops to Iraq, he openly advocated sending more troops to Iraq. Also, there is a reason why he is called a maverick.

* Sen. McCain is not going to Washington to gain political points. He is going there for the American people. He has proven this with his actions, record, and blood/sweat.

Posted by: lazerboy | September 26, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

McCain should have sent Sarah Palin to Washington to negotiate, she doesn't blink as she has repeatedly told us :)

Posted by: dannofels | September 26, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

"...if he can outperform expectations in tonight's debate all of the sturm und drang of the last three days will likely be forgotten overnight."

I couldn't disagree more. The only reason this *might* happen is if the media (read: you, Chris) keep doing shallow reporting and continue to fail to do your job to fully inform the public as to the policy positions and temperament of each candidate.

Posted by: WilliamJ1 | September 26, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

McCain isn't a "maverick," he is Captain Queeg. He is erratic, paranoid, brittle, and odd. Look at his behavior as the financial crisis has intensified.

He has changed his mind on various issues. He has issued statements and then contradicted them. The man doesn't even know what city he will be in tomorrow. Is this REALLY someone to put into the White House?

Americans will not elect a weakling to the presidency. Neither candidate is that. Nor will Americans elect someone who is visibly crazy. John McCain is right on the edge of craziness.

Forget about the specific issue at hand. Think about how the two candidates have behaved under pressure. Is John McCain someone you want running this country during a life-and-death crisis? I don't think so!

Posted by: MagicDog | September 26, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Whatever happens, it should be interesting. All the passion, the love for and hatred against ... I just hope these guys give us a good show.

They played good music on the Titanic.

Obama is the one who leaves me with no clear expectations. All I get to hear from this guy are the sound bytes in the media, the intense visceral hatred from the republicans, and everything from the "I just don't know" of the independents (me) to the groveling and fawning of the fanatics.
I can visit webpages, but they are political in nature so I don't expect to see truth, even if what is said is true.

So he still has to prove himself to me.

McCain on the other hand, I do have expectations. And none of them are good. From Jerry Falwell asslicking a couple of years ago, to the less-than-welcome welcome he was given at the RNC convention some months ago, to the grasping at Rove and the other religious fanatics like Hagee ... and then Sarah Palin, Sarah Palin! And now this latest stunt.

McCain has in fact proven himself to me already. I guess you don't abandon a lifetime of ambition right at the end just because you have to become a scumbag to do it.

I'm voting no on McCain, whether I vote for Obama or some third party depends on how Obama does in these debates.

Posted by: barferio | September 26, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

37&O,

So how is Karl Rove doing?

Posted by: rharring | September 26, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Certain pro-McCain posters seem obsessed with Obama's birth certificate. That is a curious thing to focus on during an election when the sitting president says we're staring economic disaster in the face. The nation is waging two wars that threaten to morph into four if Pakistan and Iran are tossed onto the fire. What had looked like a diplomatic triump with regard to a nuclear or nearly nuclear and loony North Korea is cratering.

But that's what hard-core Republicans have to work with, and they're working it. That, and the lipstick wars, and posturing.

Speaking of posturing, what's with the House Republicans suddenly making Democrats out to be enemies of the common people for reaching across the aisle to work with a Republican president in the face of a financial panic?

They're shameless. But we already knew that - hasn't the word "Rove" become a synonym for "shameless manipulation of elections"?

Posted by: officermancuso | September 26, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

And looks like Obama is going to be up one more percent since yesterday.

Wow, McCain is sinking fast. It wasn't that long ago that he was up by five points.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 26, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

If McCain can sell the idea that he was the statesman and Obama was playing politics, we deserve what we get.

Oh yeah, the same people who buy that didn't want to run and hide when Palin said that having Putin's plane fly over Alaskan air space (not sure it goes that direction in any event, but so be it) is foreign policy experience. what does she do, wave to it? give permission to air traffic controllers? by that argument, every man, woman, child and moose in Alaska has as much foreign policy experience. the fact that Palin could get the words out of her mouth suggests she needs to go back to that pastor and ask him to try again to protect her from the witch's spell she must be under to say something so ridiculous.

Posted by: JoeT1 | September 26, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

He's only participating in the debate because he's already won it.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/09/mccain_wins_debate.html

Posted by: JohninMpls | September 26, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

you can see why McCain pulled this stunt, right here. Look at the die-hard McCain supporters ... you just have to laugh!

They're scraping everything they can off the Rove and Limbaugh playbook and throwing it at Obama. Maybe if they throw enough, some of the truth being thrown back at them will be blocked ....? I don't know.

If the consequences of this election weren't so desperate, I don't know if I could stop laughing a the republicans long enough to cast my vote.

Posted by: barferio | September 26, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

37th & 0 street, don't you have a - LOL! - blog to flog? What's today's entry: "McCain is super great and everyone is big, bad, meanies!"

Posted by: LABC | September 26, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Joep1 - you need to go and take a nap because you wouldn't know nor accept the truth if it slapped you in the face. You are a republican who believes that everything in your world is white. It's ok to be who you are but what is not ok is for you to be so naive as to spread a lie instead of accepting a truth.

The truth will set you free - if not now - then later. You and people like you are unable to discuss issues in a rational manner - you seek to destroy - believing you are right because you are light. Your external controls everything you see and believe. It hurts your ego to have someone unlike you to be perceived as smarter for your mind tells you this cannot be - you are better!

I'm sure you are infallible; perfect - I'm sure you were raised to believe that no man different than you could be better - yet this is not about you. This is about the entire United States, it's about our children and grandchildren, it's about being better than you think you are and accepting what is true and different.

For you or any other republican to believe that Palin is an acceptable VP candidate is to continue to live in a world of denial. And no matter how hard any of you try that ONE fact won't change. Nor will the fact that McCain is an unacceptable candidate for POTUS! Whether you ever accept it or not - this is not about a party affliation - it's about our survival.

So keep believing what you believe for I'm sure you voted for Bush twice and thought he was great as well. And here we ALL are!

Posted by: facingreality | September 26, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Stars and Stripes, are you for real? Do you have any cognitive ability at all? Forget for a moment whether or not you agree with Obama's positions or not do you actually think he is an intellectual lightweight, incapable of speaking intelligently for more than 30 minutes? Is that really your view? Because you are wrong, no two sides to that buddy, you are incorrect and perhaps you should consider thinking yourself before posting such utter nonsense to this forum.

Posted by: nyrunner101 | September 26, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

"The Democratic interests stood together in opposition to an agreement that would accommodate additional taxpayer protections."

It's pretty clear from that line in the McCain campaign release that they are indeed for this new sham of a plan that the House conservatives cooked up at the last minute...it seems they are in support of that "agreement" and not just listening to all sides.

McCain = politics, not country first.

Posted by: IndiePendants | September 26, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

You wrote "But, if he can outperform expectations in tonight's debate all of the sturm und drang of the last three days will likely be forgotten overnight."
This is nuts. How can he not outperform expectations tonight, given his massive screwups of the last 3 days.
Are you suggesting that he is going to have to get down on one knee and throw up in order to lose the debate and not regain his campaign credibility.
After the debate comes the rest of the bailout story.


Posted by: MikeKelly45 | September 26, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

"Plus if you saw her interview with Katie Couric, you surely noticed how illiterate the woman is. She can't even put together a coherent sentence!"

This reminds me of a column I read questioning whether McCain broke Palin by this over-protection and basically killing her self-confidence.

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/09/26/has-the-mccain-campaign-broken-sarah-palin.aspx

I'm not going to say that Palin isn't knowledgable about foreign matters because she is stupid. Its just that when you're the newly elected governor of a state, you're going to focus on state matters, not national matters. Then if you're considering a move to better things, you do the requisite preparations. This was not a failing on her part. Don't forget that she has had the job for only a few weeks now. That's not enough time to learn foreign policy from scratch. McCain wanted a woman, so he picked Palin and tried to sneak her glaring unpreparedness past us. I don't blame her for stumbling through an interview. I blame McCain for making this woman look weak and impotent.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 26, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

tjandjenny

You are defending Obama!


There you angry desperate liberals go again, when you have nothing on the candidate go after the kids, it is so pathetic.


McCain is the Right Man for President in this Crisis. He will lead this nation out of the Crisis and make the economy strong again.

I really do not know what to say to you -

You have not addressed the issue: the lack of any economic or business experience on the part of Obama.


Yes, Obama has used cocaine - that is YOUR CANDIDATE AT THE TOP OF THE TICKET NOT THE HIGH SCHOOL KIDS WHO WILL NOT BE MAKING DECISIONS.


I feel sorry for you that you feel you have so little to go on that you have to go after the family.


Let's look at your family, can we?


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Posted by: 37thandOStreet | September 26, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Now that McCain has displayed another example of bipartisan leadership and Obama says he has figured out how to multi-task, perhaps Mr. Hope and Change can figure out a way to produce a real birth certificate while explaining his long-term relationship with unrepentent domestic terrorist Bill Ayers while holding his first meeting of his subcommittee on Afghanistan.

Posted by: joep1 | September 26, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse


Obama = ME dia First

McCain = Country First

Posted by: joep1 | September 26, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

"A sicker group has never confronted our nation than those who support Obama. Just read their posts when running against Hillary Clinton if you want a taste of Obama's proposed Brave New World.

And just read between the lines as Obama takes credit for everything worthwhile and accepts no blame for anything. A man whose megalomania has managed to reach epic proportions. A man whose "vision" is non-existent for a United States of America. Only for a Disjointed States of America for the few."

Make no mistake about this one. Either accept Obama's lies or vote for McCain.

It is up to you in only a few weeks. A man whose interests are focused only on Country First, or a man whose only focus is himself whose "great" economic wisdom consists of continual statements that he knows "people's" income is down and their costs are up. What a brilliant mind! What a disaster for our country."


"Obama's orchestration of the politics of the moment shows he is nowhere close to being presidential material. With little political experience, all of which has been played out through the use of powerful mentors, Obama is plainly not equipped to deal with national crises. And this is nowhere more evident than in the partisan way he has approached our financial crisis, which he proclaimed is the worst since the Great Depression.
As ABC noted in a somewhat balanced report of the White House meeting:

"However, the Democrats allowed Sen. Obama to run their side of the meeting," the statement added. "That did not work as the meeting quickly devolved into a contentious shouting match that did not seek to craft a bipartisan solution."

http://politicalcenter.newsvine.com/_news/2008/09/26/1916665-white-house-meeting-degenerates-into-obama-planned-ambush

Posted by: joep1 | September 26, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

And some of those 'bad debts' weren't so much 'bad debts' as it relates to the fact that these hard economic times under republican rule have forced people into unemployment lines, and with increased gas, food, health care and energy prices that deflated the average income of the american populace. Yes, some people got bad loans but even more were economically robbed.

Posted by: facingreality | September 26, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

McCain's stunt has been exposed for what it is, perhaps most damningly by his campaign advertisement already declaring him the debate victor -- which was running early this morning -- well before he had announced he would debate at all! He planned on debating all along. This was just another one of his "game changers."

Posted by: osullivanc1 | September 26, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

This is a simple situation. Every time it happens during an election year, the result is the same:

The party incumbent to the White House always loses it when the economy goes south. Always.

1932, 1980, 1992. The three prime examples of this theory at work.

I'm not saying that Democrats are blame-free for the current crisis: there's plenty of blame to go around.

But, when the economy goes from bad, to worse, to "OH MY GOD! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!", the incumbent party is gone. It's happening again, and McCain is in a free-fall without a parachute.

Posted by: cam8 | September 26, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

"Before you blame Republicans for the current financial mess, read about how Barney Frank ,Chris Dodd and the Dems basically forced banks to lend to poor people causing the current crisis."

That's simply not true.

Yes, a small percentage of the bad loans were for 'poor people'. But any mortgage broker will tell you that the vast majority of these foreclosures are from middle class and upper middle class borrowers.

Posted by: HillMan | September 26, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

If there are any NSA COMSEC types on this board, would one of you be so kind as to decode the following recent statement by Governor Palin, delivered in her unique ability to "think clearly and live according to Judeo-Christian principles."

BTW, if Governor Palin were truly living by Judeo-Christian principles, her eldest son, Trig, would not have been delivered 8 months after her elopement with her now husband because the Bible, just like sanctimonious self-righteous hypocrites, forbids pre-marital sex.

Palin's response to Couric's suggestion that the $700-billion bailout might be better funneled through middle-class families instead of Wall Street firms.

"That's why I say I, like every American I'm speaking with, we're ill about this position that we have been put in . . ." Palin began, " . . . where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the healthcare reform that is needed to help shore up our economy. Um, helping, oh -- it's got to be all about job creation too. Shoring up our economy, and putting it back on the right track. So healthcare reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions, and tax relief for Americans, and trade, we've got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive, um, scary thing, but 1 in 5 jobs being created in the trade sector today. We've got to look at that as more opportunity. All of those things under the umbrella of job creation. This bailout is a part of that."

Posted by: flyfishchef | September 26, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Word.
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"Its funny, now that the registration is back, the anti-Obama trolling has been reduced to two people. I really like this.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 26, 2008 4:15 PM"

Posted by: broadwayjoe | September 26, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

It's not an attempt at conservative blameshifting - It's the truth. When regulations were put into place the Repugs continually deregulated. It goes without saying - this mess started with the Republican ideals established under Reagan.

You can't deny that! This mess is a DEREGULATION MESS! And the Conservative principles of making the rich - richer!

Posted by: facingreality | September 26, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Dear 37thandOstreet:

If you want to know who is really good at buying cocaine (and other illegal "goodies", try the latest National Enquirer, where it says that Palin's kids, Track and Bristol, were/are stoners who both partied and got high on cocaine, reefer, OxyContin, and whatever else they could find.

I also hear that Palin herself engaged in a little extramarital whoopie. Whoops! She got caught!

Sure says a lot about Palin and her Judeo-Christian morals......and her ability to run anything, even her family.

Plus if you saw her interview with Katie Couric, you surely noticed how illiterate the woman is. She can't even put together a coherent sentence!

What a joke you right wing fanatics are. You will defend everything McCain or Palin do, just because they are Republicans. No matter how incompetent or how many lies they tell, you are there, cheering them on.

It's people like you who voted for Bush (I did NOT), and got us into this mess in the first place.

I personally think anyone dumb enough to admit to voting for Bush, or considering voting for McCain/Palin, should have to help pay for the Iraq war and all the other s**t that they have and will cost us.

And to whoever said we were in the third Bush term right now - ever heard of term limits? You can only have 2 terms as President.

Get some education before you try impressing us with your arguments.

I would much rather have Obama as President. Empty suit, my a$$!!!!!

Posted by: tjandjenny | September 26, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Why are all you republicans blasting the Dems for "failing" to force through a bailout bill that you then say no amercians want? If Americans don't support the bailout, then aren't Democrats doing the right thing by not forcing it? If it is good for the republicans to fail to get behind the bill, then aren't dems good for doing the same? double standard is so obvious!!

Posted by: captiolhillmom | September 26, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Before you blame Republicans for the current financial mess, read about how Barney Frank ,Chris Dodd and the Dems basically forced banks to lend to poor people causing the current crisis.

http://mccain08-hillary2012.blogspot.com

Posted by: dcpsychic | September 26, 2008 4:04 PM

#######################################

Nobody forced the banks to make these loans - they were extremely profitable. This is yet another conservative attempt at blameshifting.

Posted by: maggots | September 26, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Sarah on Couric DOPE ON A ROPE

What an asinine display of doublespeak, she has not got a clue! my 16 year old grandson knows more about the world than she does.

Listen carefully to the interview and tell me that she's got the knowledge to be a President.

And if you decide that she does, then God help America!

Posted by: kentaylor1 | September 26, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Huckabee (who has remained silent up to now -- hear that Bill C?) says Mac's handling of the debate issue was a big mistake. This from DailyKos:

""Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee said Thursday that Sen. John McCain made a "huge mistake" by even discussing canceling the presidential debate with Sen. Barack Obama.

Huckabee said Thursday in Mobile that the people need to hear both candidates. He said that’s "far better than heading to Washington" to huddle with senators.

Huckabee said he still backs McCain’s candidacy, but said the Arizona senator should not have put his campaign on hold to deal with the financial crisis on Wall Street. He said a president must be prepared to "deal with the unexpected."

"You can’t just say, ‘World stop for a moment. I’m going to cancel everything,"‘ Huckabee said." END

Posted by: broadwayjoe | September 26, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is the first U.S. Presidential candidate in history who runs around with his "Hair On Fire". Then he pulls out a fire extinguisher, sprays his head, and takes credit for accomplishing something.


Posted by: allan3 | September 26, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

all these former conservative republican voters are paid obamites

Posted by: harbinger317 | September 26, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

+here is a zen saying+ "your words are simply a reflection of yourself" lao tze
so when mccain accuses obama if "postering" we know it is actually himself that is doing it.
it is obvious to any one who has been watching this process play out.
the world does not need or want
mccain the panic man or witch hunter girl palin

Posted by: JudgeAlan | September 26, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Hi-
McCain said he would not participate in the debate unless there was an agreement. There was no agreement. Spin aside, if he participates in the debate, he is violating his promise of only a few days ago.
One does not simply make commitments and then fail to honor them. It makes all his pledges and promises worthless. Also, the situation suggests that McCain made the pledge impulsively, and later realized its price. Do you really want a president who doesn't honor his pledges and acts so rashly? We are in some rough waters and need a stable hand on the helm. Who is going to shore up McCain, Palin?
This is more than a flip-flop, it is outright gutless, refusing to do what he pledged because he realized how foolish it was, and lying about how stupid it was (the McCain spin was so bizarre it missed the point entirely). It was almost as gutless as his sudden shift on acknowledging waterboarding as torture to win the Republican nomination.
Commenters have noted that McCain was humbled by his prison experience because he realized that there were braver and more honest men then him imprisioned with him. It looks like acting gutlessly because of his fear of the consequences has struck again. It is farcical that this time the penalty for honesty was miniscule compared to being honoreable the last time. You'd think he'd realize that the worst day of campaigning was so much better than the best day in his hell-hole of a prison.

Posted by: doctort | September 26, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Adevine wrote, "Is McCain going to get another $5000 plus makeup job before he goes on tonight? That is a lot of lipstick and that would cover my mortgage payments for about 6 months. What can you hide under $5000 worth of lipstick?
Certainly not his incompetence in picking a VP running mate or looking pretty for a photo-op. Just wondering."

Adevine, if McCain comes onstage tonight wearing a pig nose, lipstick, and wings, *I* will send you $5 grand. There's still time for you to try to convince him ;)

Posted by: officermancuso | September 26, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Its funny, now that the registration is back, the anti-Obama trolling has been reduced to two people. I really like this.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 26, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

FYI - REPUGS, Here is your problem and the reason we are faced with such devastation today. It all began with your beloved:

RONALD REAGAN - 1981 - 1989

Reagan was able, by virtue of his towering talents in this arena, to sell to the American people a flood of poisonous policies. He made Americans feel good about acting against their own best interests. He sold the American people a lemon, and they drive it to this day as if it was a Cadillac. It isn't the lies that kill us, but the myths, and Ronald Reagan was the greatest myth-maker we are ever likely to see.

Mainstream media journalism today is a shameful joke because of Reagan's deregulation policies. Once upon a time, the Fairness Doctrine ensured that the information we receive - information vital to the ability of the people to govern in the manner intended - came from a wide variety of sources and perspectives. Reagan's policies annihilated the Fairness Doctrine, opening the door for a few mega-corporations to gather journalism unto themselves. Today, Reagan's old bosses at General Electric own three of the most-watched news channels. This company profits from every war we fight, but somehow is trusted to tell the truths of war. Thus, the myths are sold to us.

The deregulation policies of Ronald Reagan did not just deliver journalism to these massive corporations, but handed virtually every facet of our lives into the hands of this privileged few. The air we breathe, the water we drink, the food we eat are all tainted because Reagan battered down every environmental regulation he came across so corporations could improve their bottom line. Our leaders are wholly-owned subsidiaries of the corporations that were made all-powerful by Reagan's deregulation craze. The Savings and Loan scandal of Reagan's time, which cost the American people hundreds of billions of dollars, is but one example of Reagan's decision that the foxes would be fine guards in the henhouse.

Because Ronald Reagan could not be bothered to fund research into 'gay cancer,' the AIDS virus was allowed to carve out a comfortable home in America. Ronald Reagan actively supported the regimes of the worst people ever to walk the earth.

Throughout the entirety of Reagan's term, bin Laden and his people were armed, funded and trained by the United States. Reagan helped teach Osama bin Laden the lesson he lives by today, that it is possible to bring a superpower to its knees. bin Laden believes this because he has done it once before, thanks to the dedicated help of Ronald Reagan.

Reaganomics was a bust but he didn’t care he and his friends were rich. Social programs which protected the weakest of our citizenry were gutted by Reagan's policies, delivering millions into despair.

The urban poor were left to rot because Ronald Reagan believed in 'self-sufficiency.'

http://www.buffalobeast.com/51/planetreagan.htm

Posted by: facingreality | September 26, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I won't be watching the debate to see who's "zingers," lies, or foolishness wows the audience. My vote is for Obama--the last week of McCain's stupid behavior and Palin's stupid statements has swung my vote. The Democrats and Obama have shown more maturity and more ability to focus in a crisis. I don't need some over-the-hill warmonger and his fundamentalist House allies running the country.

Posted by: rusty3 | September 26, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

What is the deal with all these phrases I keep reading about empty suits teleprompters not working?

Is that what the GOP handed you mindless sheep to keep repeating? Saying Obama's an empty suit doesn't make it so, and please! Implying that he can't speak without a teleprompter?

Are you freaking kidding? The man is incredibly smart, incredibly careful in his words, and doesn't stammer about Putin "rearing his head" like some sort of boogie-man in the closet.

Palin is Bush in drag, McCain has lost all sense of what he stood for in 2000 (when I respected him), and they're both going to lose hard come November.

Posted by: nagatuki | September 26, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Obama's only economic or business experience is buying cocaine - why would you want to RISK the nation's economic health on someone with such a low level of purchasing experience ???

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Posted by: 37thandOStreet | September 26, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

A 70-year-old Texas rancher got her hand caught in a gate while working cattle. She wrapped the hand in her bandanna and drove her pickup to the doctor. While suturing the laceration, the doctor asked the old woman what she thought about McCain's VP pick.

The old Texan said, "Well, ya know, Palin is a post-turtle."

Not knowing what the old rancher meant, the doctor asked her what a post-turtle was.

The old woman looked at him and drawled, "When you're driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a post-turtle."

The old woman saw a puzzled look on the doctor's face, so she continued to explain:

"You know she didn't get there by herself, she doesn't belong up there, she doesn't know what to do while she's up there, and you wonder what kind of dumb ass put her up there to begin with."

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 26, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Before you blame Republicans for the current financial mess, read about how Barney Frank ,Chris Dodd and the Dems basically forced banks to lend to poor people causing the current crisis.

http://mccain08-hillary2012.blogspot.com

Posted by: dcpsychic | September 26, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

To AKindependent2:
I am an Independent, too, and I totally agree with your logic on voting and making choices according to each candidate and not a party which is, of course, why I’m an Independent. However, I have paid extremely close attention to Bush’s past, and Barack’s & McCain’s present. I’ve read books, I’ve read articles, I’ve watched debates and caucuses forever it seems, and I’m definitely clear on who I want to be “in charge” of this Country of ours –Barack Obama. After watching Palin/McCain speak & debate, listen to their ideas on what should and shouldn’t be, I shudder to think how badly international relations will deteriorate. Their scare tactics worked with me – I’m definitely scared of Palin/McCain running this Country.

Posted by: julieforBarack | September 26, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

One thing that strikes me as almost surreal is the far right's insistance that the solution to Wall Street's meltdown is even more deregulation! As if we haven't been forced fed enough poison, these nut cases want to allow huge companies to acquire even more smaller companies, turning them into bloated dinosaurs that, when they fail (and all companies fail at some point), they will utterly destroy this country. In the meanwhile, the executives of those monopolies will exercise finance and other influence on our government to such an extent that it will mark the end of our democracy. One can only wonder at the insanity of the KOZ's and other right wing cheer leaders who will likely be the first and foremost to suffer as their health coverage and public dole is cut off. Darwin is proven once again and these fools win this years award.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | September 26, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

McCain in April declared that there had been "great progress economically" during the Bush years. On more than one occasion, he diagnosed Americans' concerns over the dismal U.S. economy as "psychological." (Phil Gramm, the man who helped McCain deregulate Wall Street and McCain's close friend and adviser supposedly excommunicated over his "whiners" remarks, is back with the campaign.) McCain, a man who owns eight homes nationwide, in March lectured Americans facing foreclosure that they ought to be "doing what is necessary -- working a second job, skipping a vacation, and managing their budgets -- to make their payments on time." And when all else fails, McCain told the people of the economically devastated regions in Martin County, Kentucky and Youngstown, Ohio, there's always eBay.


In his defense, McCain's shocking tone-deafness may just be a matter of perspective. When you're as well off as he is, anything below a $5 million income (a figure exceeding that earned on average by the top 0.1% of Americans) seems middle class.


*The $100 Million Man*
Courtesy of his wife Cindy's beer distribution fortune (one her late father apparently chose not to share with her half-sister Kathleen), the McCains are worth well over $100 million. (In the two-page tax summary she eventually released to the public, Cindy McCain reported another $6 million in 2006.) As Salon reported back in 2000, the second Mrs. McCain's millions were essential in launching her husband's political career. Unsurprisingly, the Weekly Standard's Matthew Continetti, who four years ago called Theresa Heinz-Kerry a "sugar mommy," has been silent on the topic of Cindy McCain.


*The Joys of (Eight) Home Ownership*
While fellow adulterer John Edwards was pilloried for his mansion, John McCain's eight homes around the country have received little notice or criticism. His properties include a 10 acre lake-side Sedona estate, euphemistically called a "cabin" by the McCain campaign, and a home featured in Architectural Digest. The one featuring "remote control window coverings" was recently put up for sale. Still, their formidable resources did not prevent the McCains from failing to pay taxes on a tony La Jolla, California condo used by Cindy's aged aunt.


*The Anheuser-Busch Windfall*
As it turns out, the beauty of globalization is in the eye of the beholder. While John McCain apparently played a critical role in facilitating DHL's takeover of Airborne (and with it, the looming loss of 8,000 jobs in Wilmington, Ohio), Cindy McCain is set to earn a staggering multi-million dollar pay-day from the acquisition of Anheuser-Busch by the Belgian beverage giant, In Bev. As the Wall Street Journal reported in July, Mrs. McCain runs the third largest Anheuser-Busch distributorship in the nation, and owns between $2.5 and $5 million in the company's stock. Amazingly, while Missouri's politicians of both parties lined up to try to block the sale, John McCain held a fundraiser in the Show Me State even as the In Bev deal was being finalized.


*McCain's $370,000 Personal Tax Break*
Earlier this year, the Center for American Progress analyzed John McCain's tax proposals. The conclusion? McCain's plan is radically more regressive than even that of President Bush, delivering 58% of its benefits to the wealthiest 1% of American taxpayers. McCain's born-again support for the Bush tax cuts has one additional bonus for Mr. Straight Talk: the McCains would save an estimated $373,000 a year.


*Paying Off $225,000 Credit Card Debt - Priceless*
That massive windfall from his own tax plan will come in handy for John McCain. As was reported in June, the McCains were carrying over $225,000 in credit card debt. The American Express card - don't leave your homes without it.


*Charity Begins at Home*
As Harpers documented earlier this year, the McCains are true believers in the old saying that charity begins at home:
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Between 2001 and 2006, McCain contributed roughly $950,000 to [their] foundation. That accounted for all of its listed income other than for $100 that came from an anonymous donor. During that same period, the McCain foundation made contributions of roughly $1.6 million. More than $500,000 went to his kids' private schools, most of which was donated when his children were attending those institutions. So McCain apparently received major tax deductions for supporting elite schools attended by his children.
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Ironically, the McCain campaign last week blasted Barack Obama for having attended a private school in Hawaii on scholarship. That attack came just weeks after John McCain held an event at his old prep school, Episcopal High, an institution where fees now top $38,000 a year.


*Private Jet Setters*
As the New York Times detailed back in April, John McCain enjoyed the use of his wife's private jet for his campaign, courtesy of election law loopholes he helped craft. Despite the controversy, McCain continued to use Cindy's corporate jet. For her part, Cindy McCain says that even with skyrocketing fuel costs, "in Arizona the only way to get around the state is by small private plane."


*Help on the Homefront*
In these tough economic times, the McCains are able to stretch their household budget. As the AP reported in April, "McCain reported paying $136,572 in wages to household employees in 2007. Aides say the McCains pay for a caretaker for a cabin in Sedona, Ariz., child care for their teenage daughter, and a personal assistant for Cindy McCain."


*Well-Heeled in $520 Shoes*
If clothes make the man, then John McCain has it made. As Huffington Post noted in July, "He has worn a pair of $520 black leather Ferragamo shoes on every recent campaign stop - from a news conference with the Dalai Lama to a supermarket visit in Bethlehem, PA." It is altogether fitting that McCain wore the golden loafers during a golf outing with President George H.W. Bush in which he rode around in cart displaying the sign, "Property of Bush #41. Hands Off."


Here's some more Mavericky Straight-Talk, my friends:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxT0s_I5WtA
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Posted by: DrainYou | September 26, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

We live in Macks Creek, Missouri, and us rednecks done had our debate last night. ............
http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/09/26/rednecks-war-debate/

Posted by: glclark4750 | September 26, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

"McCain is mean; I have no doubt he'll lie and smear Obama to his face. The MSM don't like Obama's debating style, so if Obama gets angry, the MSM will call him defensive; if he doesn't, they'll say he's too cool."

It will be interesting to see. Obama and Clinton didn't have too many disagreements, so there wasn't much of a clash. Obama and McCain are on the opposite sides of everything, so Obama can really go after McCain in ways he couldn't really do with Clinton.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 26, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps it is helpful to remind everyone that McCain cancelled a debate once before when he was running against George W. Bush and saw his numbers slipping.

Posted by: dunnhaupt | September 26, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

All will be forgotten? I've been talking to lifelong repubs who think he's flipped his lid. These journalists are something else.

Posted by: johnbsmrk | September 26, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Polican3 wrote: "But wait, the Democrats control both houses and can pass anything they want to pass. But they do not want to go home to campaign with a 700 billion dollar bailout of Wall Street on their backs. What they really want is Republican cover so they can claim bipartisan support."

Ever heard of the filibuster? Dems can't pass anything without Republican support in the Senate.

Posted by: wonke | September 26, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

All will be forgotten "overnight." Yea, right. You political hacks keep looking for "game changers." Goodness, I loath that term. It's right up there with "narrative" and "news cycle." You only see this election through this mypoic prism. Americans, on the other hand, seem to be emerging from their eight year coma and are coming to understand - slowly but assuredly - that the "hail Marys" and "stunts" are no subsitute for a clear, steady and coherent hand in the White House. And, in this contect, I highly doubt that Americans will "forget" the laughable and reckless abomination the McCain campaign has become. Perhaps all of that will become a distant memory for you. But thankfully Amaericans appear to be a little wiser today and we won't, as a result, forget.

Posted by: agitate | September 26, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

All will be forgotten "overnight." Yea, right. You political hacks keep looking for "game changers." Goodness, I loath that term. It's right up there with "narrative" and "news cycle." You only see this election through this mypoic prism. Americans, on the other hand, seem to be emerging from their eight year coma and are coming to understand - slowly but assuredly - that the "hail Marys" and "stunts" are no subsitute for a clear, steady and coherent hand in the White House. And, in this contect, I highly doubt that Americans will "forget" the laughable and reckless abomination the McCain camapign has become. Perhaps all of that will become a distant memory for you. But thankfully Amaericans appear to be a little wiser today and we won't, as a result, forget.

Posted by: agitate | September 26, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Is McCain going to get another $5000 plus makeup job before he goes on tonight? That is a lot of lipstick and that would cover my mortgage payments for about 6 months. What can you hide under $5000 worth of lipstick?
Certainly not his incompetence in picking a VP running mate or looking pretty for a photo-op. Just wondering.

Posted by: adevine1 | September 26, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

McCain got what he wanted, a quick bit of grandstanding. Obama looked like he was wondering what the heck were the two of them even doing there. Neither of the two candidates sit on a committee that has anything remotely to do with the problem. McCain admitted he doesn't get domestic issues. Then, McCain ends up siding with the House Repubs that have given him hell for years and blocked most of what he wanted passed when Repubs ran Congress.

The bottom line is that in no way are the Democrats going this alone with Bush and giving the Congressional GOP cover. Pelosi would be in her right to say the heck with this and let it all go to ruin until January. The Senate can't initiate it, so it's up to the House to start it.

Posted by: mischanova | September 26, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

"MCCAIN WILL FIGHT THE LOBBYISTS AND SET OUR ECONOMY STRAIGHT ONE INDUSTRY AT A TIME - THE WAY TO DO IT IS TO CLEAR OUT THE LOBBYIST MONEY WHICH IS DISTORTING THE DECISIONS IN CONGRESS."

Yeah, THAT'S why he's hired hundreds of them.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 26, 2008 3:47 PM
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Hey DDAWD, GREAT ONE!!!! whoever this loser is that thinks mcclame will get rid of lobbyist isn't following the election for the UNITED STATES of AMERICA!!!

Posted by: gabbamonkey | September 26, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Mr. McCain has finally flip flopped on the last issue that he held firm to...

...whether or not he's running for president.

Looks like he's about to change his mind, again... or will he say he never suspended the campaign?

Posted by: RobSoLF | September 26, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

As I said in your challenge when this stunt was first announced, Chris - the old pilot put his campaign in a nosedive and he won't be able to pull out of it. It is going to be very ugly. If you don't believe me, watch the Couric interview of his co-pilot - unbelievably bad, but she's ready to take on Putin "if he rears his head" in her "airspace" in Alaska!

Posted by: johnsonc2 | September 26, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Zouk

You ask some really great questions there -

The truth is the democratic party is rotten to the core - they do not care about the inner cities anymore and they do not care about the lower class anymore -


That is why we need MCCAIN - MCCAIN WILL FIGHT THE LOBBYISTS AND SET OUR ECONOMY STRAIGHT ONE INDUSTRY AT A TIME - THE WAY TO DO IT IS TO CLEAR OUT THE LOBBYIST MONEY WHICH IS DISTORTING THE DECISIONS IN CONGRESS.
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Hey look everyone, another DUMBAZZ!!! Hey stupid, let's bring you up to speed real quick idiot. McClame's entire campaign staff ARE LOBBYIST!!!!! What do you think he's going to clean up lobbyist and kick his staff out? WHAT, WERE YOU DROPPED AS A CHILD? LOLOL Please do research, look at the news, read the papers, go online, do whatever it takes for you to NOT SOUND LIKE A COMPLETE IDIOT!!!LOLOLOL

Posted by: gabbamonkey | September 26, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

The entire republican party is BLINKING - none of them want to run on their party platform of deregulation and their 'chickens have come home to roost.' It's funny how ALL of them are trying to distance themselves from Bush - running as GOP party members instead of republicans, hoping the majority of the public doesn't realize that GOP is the republican party.

McCain is a deregulator, he is on tape just this year saying such and he has voted (by his own mouth) with Bush 90% of the time - more than any other in his party he says but now he wants to be seen as a reformer. The current economic woes we are facing is due to the deregulating of the financial institutions that were set into motion by Ronald Reagan (Reagonomics) McCain initially tried to tie himself to the 'trickle down effect' until the market started collasping and now he is running scared. No where to go; no where to hide.

McCain has stated (by his own mouth) that he doesn't know much about economics and yet here that issue is front and center of the General Election when McCain tried to be the foreign policy wonk.

Unbeknown to many McCain and Obama had been informed that tonights debate would include economic issues along with foreign policy. It also goes without saying that McCain's economic advisor (Phil Grahamm) has a hand in a lot of the current financial woes.

Regardless, however hard you repugs try to tie this to the Democrats (who have only been in control since 2006 and has seen the veto pen of Bush more often than not) - the REPUBLICANS OWN THIS MESS! Their continued refusal of oversight is the culprit - do your research.

Posted by: facingreality | September 26, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

"MCCAIN WILL FIGHT THE LOBBYISTS AND SET OUR ECONOMY STRAIGHT ONE INDUSTRY AT A TIME - THE WAY TO DO IT IS TO CLEAR OUT THE LOBBYIST MONEY WHICH IS DISTORTING THE DECISIONS IN CONGRESS."

Yeah, THAT'S why he's hired hundreds of them.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 26, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

dbw1 :

I'll take my chances with Biden over Palin in a debate any day of the week.

Palin has already shown she does not do well if she actually has to answer a question.

Posted by: KansasDem | September 26, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Hail Mary and McCain scored a touchdown. The score is 28-0 and Obama's playbook is exhausted.


What are they going to try next?

Attack Sarah Palin? Does not work.


Call McCain a Liar - Not true does not work.


Call McCain the third Bush term - this IS the third Bush term you idiot - And besides McCain was smeared by Bush in South Carolina and they don't get along so the whole McSame thing is a deception.


Umm How about try another Axelrod distraction and blame the other guy for your own faults?? did that a few times.


UUmmmm Obama has already been a FRAUD to his own Campaign themes of a post-racial and post-partisan candidate so they really can't go back to that.

So what do we have?


An Empty Suit who has maxed out every affirmative action program he could find including democratic delegate and whose only economic and business experience is buying cocaine.

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Posted by: 37thandOStreet | September 26, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

pKrishna43 wrote, "But, faced with the situation yesterday, and the fact that for any of these presidentil debtaes candidates shut out everything and go on intensive preparation, Obama behaved arrogantly, abhorently, cockily, callously; disappointing, but not surprising."

You mean he's uppity, don't you?

Posted by: officermancuso | September 26, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

But, Chris, McCain solved the crisis yesterday. Tucker Bousnds said so on MSNBC talking to Andrea Mitchell.

Weren't you paying attention????

Posted by: krm13 | September 26, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

McCain's unbalanced behavior kind of reminds me of when Tom Cruise went off the deep end a few years ago. I hope he doesn't start jumping up and down on the table tonight.

Posted by: obmba | September 26, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

When you really think about the debate issue, you see McCain trying to put priorities in order and handling an emergency first, while Yo'Mama just keeps on like the dogs in the Kibble 'n' Bits commercial: "yup, yup, gonna be president, yup, yup...," not even trying to do anything active the current economic disaster. His ONLY solution is higher taxes. *IF* he becomes the pres, I don't want to hear whimpering from you who voted for him when you get taxed out of your life savings. We're hearing the same thing from you who voted for O'malley...about how bad he is for the state and how we need a new governor. You should have thought of that before you stupidly voted PARTY instead of CONSCIENCE. Don't wait til it's too late to let go of 'Mama.

Besides that, I can't trust anybody who dumps one of his closest friends (Wright) when words he spoke endangers a political campaign two years later. Yo'Mama is nothing but "Me, me, me." That's why he's a good Democrat...just like Billary.

Maybe some creative Republican will wreck the teleprompter. Then all Obama will be able to spit out is, "Uh, er, uh, uh..."

Posted by: flipper49 | September 26, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

A response to :broadwayjoe and Chris C.
First, Chris: nice article balanced and laid out with just the facts.
broadwayjoe: Bill's wife was running. What do you expect him to say? Any democrat would be far ahead if it were someone with experience and we all know it. Let's stop preteding.
He needs to think about Hillary's experience and perhaps, Biden, step aside as he is a puzzle (see NYTimes front page)and adds nothing to the ticket. 18,000,000 vs how many Biden got before he dropped out? I'll take Bill and Hillary's work and record any day over a blank slate. We in Il know Obama lost in 2000 for US Rep by 30% and only got to be Senator after 2 republican scandles had to drop out and a talk show host came here to run against him at the last minute. What's he done since ?

Posted by: crrobin | September 26, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Last weekend Obama was on television saying that the Bill could not go through as is. He said that it needed oversight and a guarantee to help homeowners,not just Wall Street,and you can't put all of this into one mans hands. On Tuesday, McCain was asked if he would approve the Bill and he stated" I haven't read it yet". WTF !
The biggest bail-out ever and he hadn't even read it yet after 5 days of being presented. ALL 3 PAGES !
A political stunt that blew-up in his face.

Posted by: jime2000 | September 26, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Why is there no coverage on the political theatre that the Democrats created yesterday? Obama attended the White House meeting with McCain and other leaders. But a microphone had been set-up for Obama after the meeting. No one is talking about the fact that the Democrats wanted Obama to run that meeting and then step out and declare a compromise. Obama blew it, and none of the papers want to report what really happen. There never was a deal, the House Rep didn't welcome VP Cheney's effort to move the bill forward. The fact is, the Democrats could pass this bill if they wanted too, but they want cover for they know the American people do not want this bailout.

Posted by: NancyLV57 | September 26, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Are you kidding me? I'd sure like to know how McCain or any Republican has the guts to even suggest that Barack is responsible for what is pure grandstanding on McCain's part - totally political, and clearly set up by Bush & McCain, et al. I am thoroughly disgusted. Things appeared to be headed in the right direction until Bush asked McCain & Barack to show up at the White House - for what reason exactly? Neither Barack nor McCain is on that committee, and really have no need to be there; again, purely political. To lead their party in committee - how did the committee ever get along without them before? Before the photo opp with Bush, there seemed to be a consensus that things were close to being settled; however, apparently the GOP had other ideas, and, at least in the article I read, it didn’t seem that they were sharing with the Democrats until the photo opp with Bush. I am sick of the stupid political maneuvering being done by the McCain campaign, and am disgusted by their blatant attempts to cover up their many transgressions, including Troopergate; making false statements/claims and then projecting them onto the Barack/Democrats; bold-face lying about just about anything from the teleprompter not working to not requesting earmarks; taking on Barack’s Change campaign as their own; lobbyist(s) still collecting money from Freddy Mac while working on the campaign, etc. I guess if you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, you baffle them with bull _ _ _ _.
As an aside, I think that what McCain did to Letterman stunk. Have we not had more than enough of lies in the past 8 years and just about the entire campaign. Did McCain not think that David Letterman would find out, or what? Now there’s someone you can count on. Not.

Posted by: julieforBarack | September 26, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

A blind man could see that BEFORE McCain's last stand, a tentative, bipartisan agreement had been reached. (Or should I not believe my lying eyes that saw a bipartisan press conference around 11:00 a.m. on Thursday?) When McCain arrived, it was like a bomb dropped on the proceedings---McCain's own party members were not on board--and still aren't. Yet McCain has agreed to the debate where once he said he wouldn't if no agreement had been reached. I fully expect the MSM to give McCain a pass on his bluster; after all, the MSM is McCain's base, and they tremble at his temper.

McCain is mean; I have no doubt he'll lie and smear Obama to his face. The MSM don't like Obama's debating style, so if Obama gets angry, the MSM will call him defensive; if he doesn't, they'll say he's too cool.

RME.

Posted by: Seneca7 | September 26, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

>>This was another "Hail Mary" pass on McCain's part. But unlike his pick of Sarah Palin, this "Hail Mary" pass got intercepted.

The Palin pick wasn't an interception, but it was a completed pass to someone who has yet to do anything but bobble the ball...

When you get to the point where Conservative pundits are begging you to step down, it's time to go back to being a hockey mom.

Posted by: kiernanje | September 26, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Are you kidding me? I'd sure like to know how McCain or any Republican has the guts to even suggest that Barack is responsible for what is pure grandstanding on McCain's part - totally political, and clearly set up by Bush & McCain, et al. I am thoroughly disgusted. Things appeared to be headed in the right direction until Bush asked McCain & Barack to show up at the White House - for what reason exactly? Neither Barack nor McCain is on that committee, and really have no need to be there; again, purely political. To lead their party in committee - how did the committee ever get along without them before? Before the photo opp with Bush, there seemed to be a consensus that things were close to being settled; however, apparently the GOP had other ideas, and, at least in the article I read, it didn’t seem that they were sharing with the Democrats until the photo opp with Bush. I am sick of the stupid political maneuvering being done by the McCain campaign, and am disgusted by their blatant attempts to cover up their many transgressions, including Troopergate; making false statements/claims and then projecting them onto the Barack/Democrats; bold-face lying about just about anything from the teleprompter not working to not requesting earmarks; taking on Barack’s Change campaign as their own; lobbyist(s) still collecting money from Freddy Mac while working on the campaign, etc. I guess if you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, you baffle them with bull _ _ _ _.
As an aside, I think that what McCain did to Letterman stunk. Have we not had more than enough of lies in the past 8 years and just about the entire campaign. Did McCain not think that David Letterman would find out, or what? Now there’s someone you can count on. Not.

Posted by: julieforBarack | September 26, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

If You were The Boss... which team would you hire?

With America facing historic debt, multiple war fronts, stumbling health care, a weakened dollar, all-time high prison population, skyrocketing Federal spending, mortgage crises, bank foreclosures, etc. etc., this is an unusually critical election year.

Let's look at the educational background of the candidates and see what they bring to the job:

Obama:
Occidental College - Two years.
Columbia University - B.A. political science with a specialization in international relations.
Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude

& Biden:
University of Delaware - B.A. in history and B.A. in political science.
Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)

vs.

McCain:
United States Naval Academy - Class rank 894 out of 899 (meaning that, like George Bush, McCain was at the bottom of his class)

Palin:
Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester
North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study
University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism
Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester
University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in journalism

Now, which team are you going to hire to lead the most influential nation in the world?

Posted by: Will-I-AMofCinti | September 26, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the final few sentence of this article, if McCain can perform extremely well at the debate tonight (and he should if the focus of the debate remains Foreign Policy), his side trip to DC will be forgotten.

But if McCain blinks again, and if Obama is seen as the debates clear winner, McCain may find himself in a quickly sinking campaign.

The pressure is on McCain...

Posted by: jro1 | September 26, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse


Zouk

You ask some really great questions there -

The truth is the democratic party is rotten to the core - they do not care about the inner cities anymore and they do not care about the lower class anymore -


That is why we need MCCAIN - MCCAIN WILL FIGHT THE LOBBYISTS AND SET OUR ECONOMY STRAIGHT ONE INDUSTRY AT A TIME - THE WAY TO DO IT IS TO CLEAR OUT THE LOBBYIST MONEY WHICH IS DISTORTING THE DECISIONS IN CONGRESS.


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Posted by: 37thandOStreet | September 26, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

This was another "Hail Mary" pass on McCain's part. But unlike his pick of Sarah Palin, this "Hail Mary" pass got intercepted.

McCain had hoped to fly up to Washington to take credit for the bailout bill, by putting just a couple of additional bells and whistles on it, even though most of it had already been agreed to in principle by the Senate and by House Democrats.

Instead, the House Republicans revolted against the entire concept of a bailout altogether, and left McCain in the uncomfortable position of having to thread the needle between them and the Democrats.

McCain blew it, this time. He likes "Hail Mary" passes when he's behind. But the majority of "Hail Mary" passes don't work out.

Posted by: sinz52 | September 26, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Most people who view the polls know that talking with someone on the phone is one thing. When you are standing inside the voting booth that is the true poll of how this country feels about either candidate.

Most people think the polls are a waste of time and money. I have learned from experience that you can make numbers say anything you want to support your position. Same thing with the poll numbers.

I am an independent voter. For those that don't understand, that means that I vote for the person I think will do the job to the best of their ability. I do not believe in either party line. The Democrats believe that the only way to achieve their goals is through socialism. I don't believe in that. The republicans are into over zealous capitalism. I am not into that.

Both parties are to blame for the economic mess we are in. Both parties were present the past 30 years. This economic problem has been developing for at least 30 years. It has reared its ugly head a couple times and the parties have ignored it. The congress for 30 years has debated energy and the economy and has not done much with either.

Obama did not want to go back to D.C. because he wants to distance himself from the issue at hand. If the bailout fails he will be able to say see it was the Bush administration that caused it to fail. Instead of doing what is correct and encouraging his peers to work with the republicans. Instead he said "Call me if you need me". Sorry but his constituents need him to be helping get the Democrats working with Republicans. McCain is at least trying to ensure that his party is laying aside the party line and working with the Democrats. To me that is a much better use of time than standing on a stage answering questions to an alleged debate that both men have had the questions to for quite some time. The debate is a staged event. It is useless to the common citizen. The economy and what we are going to do to resolve the crisis that has this country by the throat now is where I want to see either one of these candidates shine. So far I have only seen a dull glimmer from McCain and Obama can't be bothered.

McCain knows that economics is not his strong suit and I want to know who he is going to put in as his advisors should he become President. I want to know the same from Obama. I have seen their lips moving but neither candidate has said what they are going to do. Neither candidate has laid out a plan.

I want to know who they are going to put in charge of Energy, Economy, State and Transportation Departments. I want to see something concrete instead of words. I am done listening to the rhetoric about CHANGE. Neither candidate is showing any kind of change. All they are saying is the same old lines I have heard for 50 years.

This country is closer now to the brink of anarchy than it ever has in its history. People are talking about it in all 50 states. Concerned citizens are stockpiling food and necessities to survive the holocaust that is coming if Congress does not put aside the party line and work together for the country.

Posted by: AKIndependent2 | September 26, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Yes, McCain did blink, he had no choice.

But, faced with the situation yesterday, and the fact that for any of these presidentil debtaes candidates shut out everything and go on intensive preparation, Obama behaved arrogantly, abhorently, cockily, callously; disappointing, but not surprising.

Posted by: pKrishna43 | September 26, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

If You were The Boss... which team would you hire?

With America facing historic debt, multiple war fronts, stumbling health care, a weakened dollar, all-time high prison population, skyrocketing Federal spending, mortgage crises, bank foreclosures, etc. etc., this is an unusually critical election year.

Let's look at the educational background of the candidates and see what they bring to the job:

Obama:
Occidental College - Two years.
Columbia University - B.A. political science with a specialization in international relations.
Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude

& Biden:
University of Delaware - B.A. in history and B.A. in political science.
Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)

vs.

McCain:
United States Naval Academy - Class rank 894 out of 899 (meaning that, like George Bush, McCain was at the bottom of his class)

Palin:
Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester
North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study
University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism
Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester
University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in journalism

Now, which team are you going to hire to lead the most influential nation in the world?

Posted by: Will-I-AMofCinti | September 26, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

In the final analysis, who really cares who blinks? Will it make even the slightest bit of difference on November 4th?

I am eagerly awaiting this evening's debate which I hope will provide substantive discourse on a central campaign issue critical to our nation; each candidate's vision of the conduct of American Foreign Policy for the next 4 years.

Who blinked, who was grandstanding are irrelevant when compare with what is at stake this evening.

I wish the author would have penned a thoughtful, substantive article about what we, the citizenry, can expect to see this evening and an overview of the candidates espoused foreign policy believes based on their previous speeches and actions.

Thanks for meaningless finger pointing drivel no one will remember next week.

Issues not sound bytes. Analysis not rhetoric.

Posted by: flyfishchef | September 26, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

"At what point can we scrap the "expectations" bar"

First week of November

Posted by: DDAWD | September 26, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

"I find realclearpolitics to be pro-Obama and in a bad way."

The whole country is pro-Obama. That's why he's going to be elected.

37th&OStreet - I know that you are an absolute, f+u+c+k+i+n+g idiot and you don't think these things through, but when RCP showed McCain ahead, was that part of a pro-Obama plot?

Posted by: bondjedi | September 26, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Let me opine that one of the unspoken reasons for the House Republican's actions and Senator McCain's erratic behaviour is simple: they cannot withstand the fact that an openly gay person (House Finance Committee Chairman Barney Frank)has had such an important and successful role in getting us out of this mess.

Posted by: johnklenert | September 26, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

At what point can we scrap the "expectations" bar -- whereas if you are expected to win and just win, you really lose, because in order to exceed expectations, the other guy or gal must soil their underwear and drool conspicuously on national TV.

This whole process reminds me way too much of college football, except college football is actually entertaining.

Posted by: starthom | September 26, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

McCain Blink - period. He tried to change the media cycle away from revelations that Rick Davis company had been paid by reps of Fannie/Freddie as recent as last month (contrary to a statement against such made by McCain) and the fact that his VP choice - Palin failed horribly in her interview with Katie Couric. Not to mention that McCain had said he hadn't read the economic report and that the fundamentals of the economy were good. McCain was running from himself!

Also, let no one be fooled, he NEVER suspended his campaign as his surrogates were still on tv, his campaign offices were functioning, ads were being run, he was giving interviews, etc. It was all about controlling the media cycle.

As to the townhall meetings - McCain was trying to USE Obama's crowd gathering abilities to his advantage seeing as though McCain (before Palin) was only drawing a couple of hundred people - MAX. So why would Obama afford McCain to LIE in front of more people than he already does? Whose the FOOL!

Point - McCain Blinked and he looks totally disorganized and has the temperment of a small child in a candy isle being refused his favorite treat.

Posted by: facingreality | September 26, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

This entire episode points out both the unsuitability of a reactionary presidential candidate (Comrade McCain, the Socialist Republican nominee) and the unfit to serve VP candidate (in normal circumstances, a VP must be prepared to step in and fulfill the duties of the Pres, so why wasn't she sent instead?)

Sad how far America has fallen under the Big Government Big Deficit Big Spending Red Bushies.

Posted by: WillSeattle | September 26, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

antlerson


I find realclearpolitics to be pro-Obama and in a bad way.

On your question about averaging averages - you are correct it is not a good idea.


the website realclearpolitics averages polls which are very much unlike each other - for instance likely voters, with registered voters - if you look inside some of the polls some are not weighted properly for instance by age group - and probably not by region of the state in question either.


Clearly the numbers have been way off -


The site is pro-Obama to the point that I believe many news outlets have dropped them because their numbers were that biased and unreliable.

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Posted by: 37thandOStreet | September 26, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Some may forget all of McCains dirty tricks and distortions, but I won't. And I truly believe the 'real reason' for his crap was so the topic of Rick Davis taking $15k salary up until this month from Freddie Mac was a record good old John could no longer dispute, and in that vein, McCain threw another distraction into the mix and walla, that story was gone!

That and the fact that his vp couldn't even speak on a level of a 5 year old child with CBSs Couric so between his knee-jerk reactions and her lack of any intellect [just saying words is not good enough], he had no choice but to throw ANOTHER DISTRACTION! Sorry that game is just OLD - just like him!

Posted by: ObamasLady | September 26, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Tell me: why should the Democrats pass the REPUBLICANS ADMINISTRATION's $700 billion plan if the REPUBLICAN CONGRESS won't even support it?

I guess they didn' think that way yesterday when they thought they had cover.

what ever happened to Madame Pelosi's promise to save the planet by not drilling. Oh yeah, she buckled under to Repubs and let the ban expire.

What ever happened to Madame Pelosi's promise to end the war right after the election? Oh yeah, she buckled under and never had the votes.

Does anyone wonder why the approval rate of this congress is 1/3 of bush's? If you like this congress, I bet you can' wait for more and more of the same with a rubber stamping Obama at the helm, phoning in his accord to every SPLURGE.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | September 26, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

"I think 80% of alaskans agree that Palin is great."

Also, I wonder if this is still true.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 26, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

"I think 80% of alaskans agree that Palin is great."

Well, Alaskans aren't typical Americans. The entire state is filled with elite foreign policy experts, apparently.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 26, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Make that "REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS", of course.

Posted by: nodebris | September 26, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Polican3 wrote: "But wait, the Democrats control both houses and can pass anything they want to pass. But they do not want to go home to campaign with a 700 billion dollar bailout of Wall Street on their backs. What they really want is Republican cover so they can claim bipartisan support."

I am getting so sick of this foolish Republican talking point.

Tell me: why should the Democrats pass the REPUBLICANS ADMINISTRATION's $700 billion plan if the REPUBLICAN CONGRESS won't even support it?

Meanwhile, your REPUBLICAN NOMINEE doesn't even understand the problem or have any proposal or suggestion on how to deal with it.

Your Party isn't fit to govern. Don't blame it on us. We're not providing you cover.

Posted by: nodebris | September 26, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

When was the last time you saw 75% of Americans agree on anything?

Posted by: DDAWD


I think 80% of alaskans agree that Palin is great.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | September 26, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

The only thing more ridiculous than McCain's actions over the last 48 hours was the statement from his campaign as cited in this story. It is completely detached from reality, to the point where I thought I was reading statement from Bagdad Bob.

Posted by: ChrisDC | September 26, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

"you mean by offering to debate him twice a week and being refused. "

Even Bill Clinton affirmed this fact just this week- that McCain is the one who wanted more debates, McCain who wanted joint townhall meetings around the country, and Obama the one who complained about the number of debates and wussied out of townhall meetings.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | September 26, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse


37thandostreet wrote:

"DDAWD you can dream on with your fake polls - why don't you send them over to realclearpolitics where they put distorted polls on their website all the time - the truth is McCain is leading in the Electoral College and Obama is on the defensive - Obama has few paths to victory and most are blocked."

Realclearpolitics is actually a conservative leaning site...if McCain is shown as losing ground on that site, you can rest assured he is doing even poorly.

Btw, I notice that many other MSM quote the RCP polling averages. I always thought that it averaging averages is artithmetically inaccurate. Any thoughts out there in commentland?


Posted by: antlerson | September 26, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

"No comparison? The situations are identical! Except, of course, the press following Biden didn't threaten to revolt over the lack of access."

The situations are identical only if you're looking at them in a vacuum. In the real world, they are far from identical, because the press has plenty of access to Biden.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | September 26, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

yeah, but Zouk, that's not what he did - he delayed his trip to Washington, hung around his office for a little while, showed up at the meeting with President Bush and said very little...

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 26, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

"you mean by offering to debate him twice a week and being refused. I think we know which party respresents the cowards in this election."

Well, you have your opinion and I have mine, but I was talking about the country in general.

Polls have shown 75% of Americans think there should be a debate today.

When was the last time you saw 75% of Americans agree on anything?

Posted by: DDAWD | September 26, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Wow, just wow - Senator McCain could run the halls of congress buck naked, screaming "cow-a-bunga" and "I AM THE MAN" while Sara Palin continues tells us how living right next door to Russia has given her an excellent command of Sino-Russian border disputes, and you conservative guys would just spin the same talking points. You aren't even interesting any more, because you've been saying the same thing for months, nay, years - and nothing that you say has not been copped from the daily Limbaugh talking points.

What I do love is the statment that "McCain is ahead in the electoral college" Which electoral college, the one that Gov. Palin attended? Now, OF COURSE, this will change, but you must be aware of some double secret super duper McCain oriented polls that no one else is seeing...because there's no poll(s) or combination thereof that put McCain ahead in the electoral college. Not to say that that won't change, but as of right now...

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 26, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

NYT REPORTS TODAY ON BITTER BILL's CAMPAIGN AGAINST O:

Brilliant piece today from Paul Vitello in the NY Times on Bitter Bill Clinton's Anti-O Road Show. Vitello absolutely nails it: he just states the facts and the facts tell all. The paper of record documents that BBC is clearly campaigning against Obama. Not even close. Here's an excerpt below from the article:

"As comfortable as Mr. Clinton is in saying, “I like John McCain,” and “I like Sarah Palin,” no one seems to have heard him say the same for Mr. Obama. Instead, when speaking of Mr. Obama, the Democratic nominee, Mr. Clinton has assumed a professorial stance that sometimes drifts toward emotional aloofness and disregard.

“Is it me, or he didn’t want to say the name ‘Barack Obama’?” the comedian Chris Rock asked with barely contained anger when he appeared Monday night on “Late Show With David Letterman” immediately after Mr. Letterman’s 15-minute interview with Mr. Clinton.

Answering Mr. Letterman’s questions, Mr. Clinton gave a dispassionate discourse on the cultural and political dynamics of the race, which, he said, would ultimately play in Mr. Obama’s favor. Mr. Clinton mentioned his wife, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, who had lost the Democratic primary to Mr. Obama, far more often than he mentioned the party’s standard-bearer. And in predicting victory for Mr. Obama, Mr. Clinton suggested that it would happen because people were hurting economically. He did not say that Mr. Obama’s victory would be because voters especially wanted Mr. Obama to be president." END

Bitter Bill, you're officially busted.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | September 26, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

"DDAWD you can dream on with your fake polls - why don't you send them over to realclearpolitics where they put distorted polls on their website all the time"

The +5 in Virginia was by Rasmussen. (trust me, you don't want to see the national averages if the Rasmussen polls are taken out. They tend to favor McCain.)

Posted by: DDAWD | September 26, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

37thandOStreet wrote:

"McCain won the week" and "Obama looked really bad this week". (2:20 PM)

"DDAWD you can dream on with your fake polls - why don't you send them over to realclearpolitics where they put distorted polls on their website all the time - the truth is McCain is leading in the Electoral College and Obama is on the defensive - Obama has few paths to victory and most are blocked." (2:55 PM)

There you have a false statement, followed by denial of clear evidence discrediting the statement.

This might be termed the "George W. Bush version of scientific method."

Posted by: officermancuso | September 26, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

"McCain may have created an impression that he is afraid to face Obama."

you mean by offering to debate him twice a week and being refused. I think we know which party respresents the cowards in this election.

hint - Harry Reid is the leader, Nancy 'name that post office' is the jester and Barack "call me if you need me" Obama is the fool.

If you like what Barney and Up-chuck did for housing, you will love what all three branches of Lib government can do for the rest of society.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | September 26, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

"Even if I grant you CO and NM, the numbers still don't add up for you. especially if I subtract out NH."

Obama is stronger in Iowa than he is in CO and NM. Tossing in Iowa DOES add up to what he needs. Although, losing NH would ruin that.

But there are quite a few battleground states left.

If you subtract the tossup states, RCP has Obama with 228 EV to McCain's 163. Among the tossup states, there are 147 EV. Obama needs 42. McCain needs 107.

Penn and Wisconsin don't appear to be in any real danger. That brings the total down to 11.

Virginia would cover that gap. Minnesota+NH would do so as well. If you think McCain takes NH, then Nevada would do the trick as well. The margins are shrinking for Ohio and Florida as well. Getting either of those would end it.

There are a lot of roads for Obama to victory. McCain can win it, but he is going to have to be flawless to take 107 of those tossup votes.

Anyone here think that McCain is going to run a flawless campaign for the next 40 days?

Posted by: DDAWD | September 26, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

McCain blinked? No, incredible stupid azz headline hack. This was a set up, and it took away all three Obama "study days" for the debate and amped the debate profile up beyond all limits.

This is so obvious.

Posted by: libertariana | September 26, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

wpost4112 wrote: "GOP Women are peeling off".

Palin is exfoliating the GOP? Seems like a role for which she might actually be qualified....

Posted by: officermancuso | September 26, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

"McCain blinked."

Of course he did. Do you think he wanted to be Lettermaned by all the TV stations having to scamble for programming to replace the non-debate.


--"Make no mistake: It's been a very difficult last 72 hours for McCain's campaign. But, if he can outperform expectations in tonight's debate"--

I hope McCain is in a foul mood, I think everyone but Ross Perot thinks McCain made of fool of himself.

That'll be something to see - the frustratingly unflappable Obama baiting the erratic childish McCain.

--"all of the sturm und drang of the last three days will likely be forgotten overnight."--

Oh? They'll pass an uncontroversial Wall Street bailout plan then? Or maybe Paulson will decide that the banks are better off than he thought?

Posted by: DonJasper | September 26, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD you can dream on with your fake polls - why don't you send them over to realclearpolitics where they put distorted polls on their website all the time - the truth is McCain is leading in the Electoral College and Obama is on the defensive - Obama has few paths to victory and most are blocked.


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Posted by: 37thandOStreet | September 26, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

mibrooks27


You only wait hours before you attempt to "re-write history" huh ???


Your facts are wrong, your thoughts are wrong, your candidate Obama is wrong.


The House Republicans - not happy - those 5 words say it all - the Republicans have strayed from their base - exactly WHO is getting the $700 Billion? I am a little confused here.

Is it that the government is paying the Investment Banks so they can make good on their debts......... debts to WHO????


The Hedge Funds? Who is owed money that is afraid of all these firms going bankrupt? If the credit is the actual problem, why doesn't the government lend directly to corporations (like the non-financial companies in the Fortunr 500) - why are there not other players on Wall Street that could fill the void if these investment banks and banks went under ??? I am a bit confused because it really has not been COMMUNICATED what the final destination of the $700 Billion actually is.


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Posted by: 37thandOStreet | September 26, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

You're right.

With all the focus on Mac's threatened no-show at the debate and Bitter Bill's disgraceful anti-O TV tour, the media has missed what's most fascinating about this race.

Now racial junk could trump all this (and we'll have to wait until Nov. to see if America has grown up), but O has, as he promised, changed the electoral map.

For once, Virginia (O is listed first on the paper early-voting ballot) and North Carolina are fully in play. As we understand it, if Mac loses NC, he has no credible electoral path to 270. The most conservative electoral polls show O at 273 even if he loses OH, FL, and VA. And it is not inconceivable he could take two or even all three of thsoe states.

Remarkable news for Dems, Obamacons, and other independent patriots. Remember: hate is not a family value.
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Obama polled a +5 in Virginia today. Missouri and North Carolina are tossups now. Obama has gained about 10 points in the national polls over a period of two weeks. Palin is just plummeting and people are getting more and more curious as to why she is being sequestered by McCain.

It puts McCain's stunts into perspective. He can't win with conventional politics. He has got to try these stunts.

I'm kind of wondering if Republicans are assuming the cause is lost and are just throwing random stuff out there to see what sticks so as to update their playbook for future elections.

In either case, McCain is under HUGE pressure to do well tonight. Being 4 points behind Obama isn't a good spot. McCain may have created an impression that he is afraid to face Obama. This will put him at a disadvantage in terms of the public perception.

But McCain can't afford to drop another two or three points following a poor showing. That would effectively end the race.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 26, 2008 2:36 PM

Posted by: broadwayjoe | September 26, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

king_of_zouk:
Pavlov indeed! Apparently you lot see or hear something you don't like, and here come the Republican talking points right on cue! "Liberals don't know zilch about the economy..." And you probably think the conservatives that have been running things for the past 8 years have done a splendid job!

Posted by: PeterPamZ | September 26, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

McCain did not demonstrate leadership this week. Rather he demonstrated how erratic he can and how much of a drama queen he wants to be. Each of these things denote a mental health problem that needs urgent attention.

The announcement from his campaign that he has deigned to appear at the debate tonight, utterly misrepresents what happened this week. The comments seek to put the blame and burden on Obama even though it belongs to McCain. Another deceit by McCain's morally bankrupt advisors.

Sad thing is that some of the folks writing here believe the McCain press release.


Posted by: pbarnett52 | September 26, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | September 26, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Shielding the VP Nominee from the MSM While Meeting a Head of State [Greg Pollowitz]

Of course when it's the gaffe-a-tron Joe Biden, the MSM really doesn't care so much:

MILWAUKEE (AP) - Joe Biden has met with Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili (sah-kahsh-VIH'-leh) in Milwaukee.


Photographers took pictures of the pair at the start of the meeting, but reporters weren't allowed into the session. Phil Walzak, a spokesman for Barack Obama's campaign, calls it a private meeting between the Democratic vice presidential candidate and a head of state.

Earlier this week, reporters were initially barred from meetings between Biden's Republican counterpart, Sarah Palin, and world leaders. But the restriction was later dropped. Walzak is rejecting any comparisons between the two situations.
No comparison? The situations are identical! Except, of course, the press following Biden didn't threaten to revolt over the lack of access.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | September 26, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

"not correct. the Libs announced this to try to cover themselves for their big spending ways and to cover thier guilt in the crime. there never was a solution agreed to by Repubs."

Riiiiiiiight, Democrats left us with a surplus and this republican administration is leaving us with a MASSIVE debt.
Now WHO is the Big Spenders again?????

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | September 26, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Based on Palin's performance in the Couric interview, her opening line when she debates Biden should be, "Who am I? Why am I here?"

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | September 26, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

"The Republican's and Democrat's looked like they had acheived some sort of compromise bailout and McCain showed up and threw a wrench into it just so he could later claim to have saved it."

not correct. the Libs announced this to try to cover themselves for their big spending ways and to cover thier guilt in the crime. there never was a solution agreed to by Repubs.

Mccain either sensed this or knew it and returned to base to effect a solution.

Meanwhile Obama phoned it in. and as it turned out, we never needed Obama. and he has never really contributed much of anything to the Senate in his whole career. that is not leadership and it is not even doing the job he is actually paid to do.

why do you Libs think this will change if you only give him a promotion, unearned as it is?

Posted by: king_of_zouk | September 26, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Most of you are missing the point. Here is the dirty little secret of this entire issue (thank you Chuck Schummer):

We need to get the president to get the Republican House in order," Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., said on the Senate floor. "Without Republican cooperation, we cannot pass this bill."

And without McCain there is no Republican cooperation.

But wait, the Democrats control both houses and can pass anything they want to pass. But they do not want to go home to campaign with a 700 billion dollar bailout of Wall Street on their backs. What they really want is Republican cover so they can claim bipartisan support. With splendid political and logistical timing the Republicans are now totally in control of this issue. Of course they now have to use that control to their advantage and I fear they may not be up to the task. But they slammed Dodd and Frank to the mat and that was delicious in and of itself, given that they are tow of the biggest culprits behind the mess. Bush went down hard too, but he deserved it as well.

Debate prediction-McCain is steady. Obama looks like the empty suit he is.

Posted by: Pelican3 | September 26, 2008 2:23 PM
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You are so easy.

It is the Republican President's proposal that Congress is mulling over.

When America is tinkering on the brink of economic collapse it is not the time to play power politics to shove your plan proposal response down the throats of your contemporaries across the aisle. I know that may not be palpable to the GOP mind to suggest that if you have the power you, by all and every means must use it to get your way. To do so, would be to politicize the crisis.

What should be offensive to the GOP base, is that THEIR party representatives are undermining THEIR presidential initiatives.

This crisis couldn't have come at a worse time, during a national election season. But it did. Thus, we are left with that reality. Congresspersons are in "re-election" mode. Instead of cowarding into the corner, the GOP should be standing tall and strong with their sitting president. THAT move would have settled the matter once and for all.

What bipartisan agreements that had been reached was knocked to square one by the wedge that John injected within his own party for no other reason than presidential politics.

John McCain is a lying obstructionist and his running mate is a barely literate moosehunter that embarrasses the GOP each and EVERY time she attempts to answer a question.

You can make any prediction that you like. McCain/Palin are spiraling out of control without a chute to save them.

Posted by: concernedaboutdc | September 26, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

"Between he and Obama?" You earn your living writing in the English language? Please Mr. Cilizza, don't contribute to the Palin-izing of the America.

Posted by: mp202 | September 26, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Obama polled a +5 in Virginia today. Missouri and North Carolina are tossups now. Obama has gained about 10 points in the national polls over a period of two weeks. Palin is just plummeting and people are getting more and more curious as to why she is being sequestered by McCain.

It puts McCain's stunts into perspective. He can't win with conventional politics. He has got to try these stunts.

I'm kind of wondering if Republicans are assuming the cause is lost and are just throwing random stuff out there to see what sticks so as to update their playbook for future elections.

In either case, McCain is under HUGE pressure to do well tonight. Being 4 points behind Obama isn't a good spot. McCain may have created an impression that he is afraid to face Obama. This will put him at a disadvantage in terms of the public perception.

But McCain can't afford to drop another two or three points following a poor showing. That would effectively end the race.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 26, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

The laugh out loud line of the McBush campaign is how he keeps pontificating that he's been fighting for the middle class.
He was, is and always will be a Country Club Republican who threw his first wife overboard as soon as the rich trophy wife arrived on the scene.
The Hypocrite Express rolls on!

Posted by: mikedooley | September 26, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

What do I say? McCain simply panicked. Lord forbid that he should panick like this while holding a nuke trigger.

Posted by: tintin081 | September 26, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

It's going to take quite a bit of effort to spin this as a plus for McCain, even with the customary cover from Bush and the other usual right-wing suspects, that McCain the grand statesman rode in and made sure everything was proceeding. You can call the sky green but that doesn't make it true. Meanwhile, Obama's been going easy on McCain, with his statement of progress in the negotiations. Good of him to have pity on McCain, because McCain has sure become pitiful. What he needs now is a rocking chair, a comforter, and his porch at one of his homes. Reminds me of an old Kinks song: "Holiday, oh what a lovely day today, I'm so glad they sent me away, to have a little holiday today..." McCain must be pretty rattled and frazzled, not good prep for tonight's debate. He's going to lose, big time.

Posted by: Plutonium57 | September 26, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

37thandOStreet, KOZ - McCain looked like one of those sphomoric 1960's twits engaged in street theater. The Republican's and Democrat's looked like they had acheived some sort of compromise bailout and McCain showed up and threw a wrench into it just so he could later claim to have saved it. This is about as craven a display of putting political expediency over public good as any of us have observed in a long time. One can only hope that the majority of the voting public sees him clearly. I expect the ecponomy to come up again and again tonight and I expect McCain to look like a complete jerk.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | September 26, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Who let this appear:

Spin aside, McCain blinked in what had become a high stakes staring contest between he and Obama.

Between HE and Obama.

Posted by: bschilli | September 26, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Most of you are missing the point. Here is the dirty little secret of this entire issue (thank you Chuck Schummer):

We need to get the president to get the Republican House in order," Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., said on the Senate floor. "Without Republican cooperation, we cannot pass this bill."

And without McCain there is no Republican cooperation.

But wait, the Democrats control both houses and can pass anything they want to pass. But they do not want to go home to campaign with a 700 billion dollar bailout of Wall Street on their backs. What they really want is Republican cover so they can claim bipartisan support. With splendid political and logistical timing the Republicans are now totally in control of this issue. Of course they now have to use that control to their advantage and I fear they may not be up to the task. But they slammed Dodd and Frank to the mat and that was delicious in and of itself, given that they are tow of the biggest culprits behind the mess. Bush went down hard too, but he deserved it as well.

Debate prediction-McCain is steady. Obama looks like the empty suit he is.

Posted by: Pelican3 | September 26, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Even if I grant you CO and NM, the numbers still don't add up for you. especially if I subtract out NH.

If I were the Libs, I would try to find a way out of Biden going on record anymore. did they have to remove part of his brain to make room for the hairplugs?

I don't suppose the debates will change much. Mccain will answer with his simple straighforward replies and Obama will wander all over the place without answering. It hasn't hurt either one with their voters.

Here is my long term prediction: the race will continue to bounce in the error bars with Obama showing a slight lead in national polls but not more than 5. the state polls will remain close. but the most important states will begin to break away to the tune of 4 or 5 points. If Obama is not ahead by more than 4 or 5 points in a red states the weekend before the election, he will not carry it.

the Palin/Biden debate will be a snore and of no effect whatsoever. Blowhard and Barbie will simply talk past each other trying to land a witty remark.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | September 26, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

McCain or shall we say, McChicken. You blinked... you blinked!
You are soldier, not a leader.


Posted by: AB68 | September 26, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

McCain won the week - shook up the race - the campaigns are not lone actors - it is always take a stand, countermove by the other side.


Obama looked really bad this week, he looked like a non-entity in Washington.


Then probably Harry Reid insisted that Obama get credit for "working across the aisle" - then McCain said "NO he has never done that" McCain probably then stated that he had the wounds from working across the aisle for years on immigration, with Kennedy and with the campaign finance reform efforts.


Why should Obama claim credit for something that McCain has been doing for years?


The contrast here is stark - McCain has a track record of strong bi-partisan leadership and the other guy has well, his only economic or business experience is buying cocaine.

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Posted by: 37thandOStreet | September 26, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

McCain, the Superman routine is getting old. Put the cape away and fade into the sunset.

Posted by: YUTZ | September 26, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse


The impulsive, panicky nature of McCain is exactly what we don't need in a President. After a flagrantly political gambit, he has the gall to call Obama political. What a drama king.

Posted by: charlie3410 | September 26, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

"Like bill and Monica, like hillary and stealing. like Obama and uber-leftism. Like pelosi and spending. Like Reid and cowardice."

I'm getting hungry for a peanut butter and jelly.

We're really getting to the fun part now, eh, zouk? The Dem handwringing is getting to quite a fevered pitch, with OBiden barely able to surpass the margin of error.


Posted by: proudtobeGOP | September 26, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

The McCain/Palin campaign is so far beyond pathetic anymore, it amazes me that anyone with an education above seventh grade believes those two boneheads anymore and would agree with their nonsense. Senator McCain's whole campaign since the summer has been spin, lies, and political stunts wrapped up in poor, ill-advised judegment.

Watching McCain in town hall meetings (where he is supposedly an olympic chapmion) is like watching the kid who didn't study for an oral exam dodge and weave around the subject, all while wearing a stupid smirk and saying, "my friends" before and after every line.

Obama may be too cerebral, but at least he's thoughtful, intelligent, and doesn't rely on spin, smoke, and mirrors to make a point.

Posted by: iluvkmart | September 26, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

"Until the results of the first debate are included, there can be no meaningful trend."

McCain's erratic behavior this week will override his performance tonight, which may be a benefit. Hopefully there are no questions about Czechoslovakia.

BTW - Iowa is a 2004 red state that polls show is solidly in the blue column. If you dismiss IA as meaningful because it borders Obama's home state, keep in mind Obama has also turned CO & NM blue, McCain's home state neighbors.

If you meant Obama hasn't turned anything blue since McCain's recent odyssey, RCP flipped VA into the Obama column today.

And just wait until Palin 2.0 is unleashed on an unsuspecting public when she debates Biden. Then we will see what a poll free-fall looks like.

Posted by: bondjedi | September 26, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama: In town, working out
Obama, headphones, baseball hat, hitting the gym. Spotted working out this a.m. at the Washington Sports Club, near Adams Morgan/Kalorama, from 7:30a - 8:20a.

correction - if you need me don't bother calling. I'm busy, busy, busy.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | September 26, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: J_thinks | September 26, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

DrainYou:

Hey genius, the ads are fake.

Not that we can really rely on anything in the Post anymore, by their own Fact-Checkers admission. But you should really check things out with an UN-biased source or two before posting them as fact.

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Turns out that they are real. Chris was just on with Andrea Mitchel and verified the source as legit.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 26, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

To my mind, John McCain's stunt was destined to backfire even if fruitful negotiations HADN'T already begun before his arrived. It's not as if Congress was out for a walk and some shopping, just waiting for him to show up and bring them together. Casting himself as Superman coming to the rescue was too much for anyone to buy. More than anything, it made him look like he was afraid to talk one-on-one with Obama. It was a bad stunt from any direction you look at it.

Posted by: jaynashvil | September 26, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

KansasDem:
"I wonder what excuse the campaign will think of next so that Palin doesn't have to debate Biden."

Do you even watch or read newspapers to know how inept Joe Biden has appeared the past couple weeks? Trust me, if anyone is looking for an excuse to get their candidate excused from the VP debate, it's not McCain.

Posted by: dbw1 | September 26, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

MCAMNESTY--RARELY RIGHT, BUT NEVER SHY!!!

Posted by: IowaPatN | September 26, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

DrainYou:

Hey genius, the ads are fake.

Not that we can really rely on anything in the Post anymore, by their own Fact-Checkers admission. But you should really check things out with an UN-biased source or two before posting them as fact.

Posted by: dbw1 | September 26, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

McCain is going down so fast right now that Obama will have to be careful not to engender a sympathy vote for the poor old guy.

Posted by: officermancuso | September 26, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

"Spin aside, McCain blinked in what had become a high stakes staring contest between he and Obama."

It's "between him and Obama."

Posted by: GeorgHerbet | September 26, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Another conservative sees the light:

Former Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee said Friday the John McCain made a "huge mistake" by even floating the possibility he would not appear at the first presidential debate as planned.

“You can’t just say, ‘World stop for a moment. I’m going to cancel everything,” Huckabee told the Associated Press Thursday.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 26, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Iraq's falling apart.
North Korea's reneged
Russia's still in Georgia, not leaving
Pakistan's shooting at our helicopters
Petraeus says Afghanistan is even a bigger disaster than Iraq
Reports leaked that the US vetoed and Israeli attack on Iran

Katie Couric makes Palin look like a total ditzbrain on "no second guessing Israel because Israel good, Iran Bad"


And Obama taught an old dog a new trick - how to heel

A comedy tonight

Posted by: JMcCSF | September 26, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

scootmandubious:
"...I hope Obama's campaign continues to press McCain and his campaign manager Rick Davis on exactly why Davis' firm was getting thousands of dollars in monthly money from Freddie Mac."

I think you are right. They should continue to press on why McCain has a conflict of interest because an advisor has a financial stake in a firm that received normal income from a client they represented, even though McCain's advisor received no income directly himself nor was he doing any work for the client.

Then, Obama can explain why he DIRECTLY accepted into his own campaign the most money of any politician to receive campaign contributions from Fannie/Freddie the past two years.

Who do you think is more compromised? McCain, because of an advisors indirect link? Or Obama, because of the money flowing directly into his pocket from the same source you find so questionable?

Posted by: dbw1 | September 26, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

This was not a gambit, bad impulsive political decision - this had no apparent good outcome for McCain, none.

If the debate was cancelled, what would be gained by that, especially with a debate topic Foreign Policy/National Security that McCain can win in his sleep. It just focused attention on his impulsive style, and inability to operate in a crisis.....but I do think it helped divert the narrative away from the Palin interview temporarily, that, regardless of your politics was a disaster.

Posted by: J_thinks | September 26, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

bonjedi - What is with the looniness of your fellow lib posters?

I am not sure about your trend analysis. Until the results of the first debate are included, there can be no meaningful trend.

With a hurricane at his back in this anti-R season, how come THE ONE is not ahead across the board already?

answer, he still can't demonstrate that he is qualified for the job, simply because he isn't. he looked like a confused school kid yesterday, not knowing where his classroom was.

I mean really - "Call me if you need me". If this wasn't so serious, it would be the funniest line of the campaign. even funnier than arugula or 57 states or patriotic taxes.

history shows that there is a substantial break away from the unkown at the last minute in Presidential elections. I would not forget the anti-black sentiment of Dem voters either, particularly in the states of concern. Polls will be wrong.

What is most interesting is that a very slight swing of about 2 or 3 points in a lot of states could turn a very even race into a landslide in EC results, without the similarly large effect in vote count.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | September 26, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

So, Remember, how until today 11 am ET, McCain was not going to Debate until the deal went through? Well, if you needed more proof of this blatant political stunt, McCain campaign has web ads out saying he has won the Debate...BEFORE the debate has even happened.


http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/09/mccain_wins_debate.html


Look at this pic:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/images/26Sep_Friday_WSJ.JPG


So:


1.) McCain planned to attend the Debate all along.

2.) McCain pulled his stunt not only for Political Reasons but because his Campaign was going to the crapper.

3.) He took the MSM narrative away form the dreadful Palin-Couric interview and from the ties of Rick Davis (his campaign manager) to Fennie and Freddie Mac.

4.) The Campaign is already ready with Ads to say that McCain won the debate, before the debate happens, because their need to lie to the American people has not died down.

5.) McCain put cold water over the Bailout Deal because if the deal had passed, more people would have been interested in the debate, now there is a good chance people will be interested more in what is going on with the deal.


This is what the McCain campaign wanted to pull attention away from:

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-onthemedia26-2008sep26,0,3542588.story
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Posted by: DrainYou | September 26, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

ImpeachNOW, great post! And, lest we forget, an honorable mention for "The Warthog" surely goes to Rep. Barney Frank, a stalwart defender of Fannie Mae, one of whose execs is his former lover.

And, if all this talk about gay sex and Fannie makes you squeamish, remember, it was Barney Frank who recently argued that family life “should be fair game for campaign discussion,”.

The news media have covered the relationship in the past, but there have been no mentions since 2005, according to Nexis and despite the collapse of Fannie Mae. The July 3, 1998, Reliable Source column in The Washington Post reported Frank, who is openly gay, had a relationship with Herb Moses, an executive for the now-government controlled Fannie Mae. , earlier Frank was referring to Moses as his “spouse.”

Frank was and remains a stalwart defender of Fannie Mae, which is now under FBI investigation along with its sister organization Freddie Mac, American International Group Inc. (NYSE:AIG) and Lehman Brothers (NYSE:LEH) – all recently participants in government bailouts. But Frank has derailed efforts to regulate the institution, as well as denying it posed any financial risk.

Imagine if this had been a Republican chair of the Senate Baking Committee. The MSM would be sputtering all over themselves on a nightly basis.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | September 26, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

McCain has shown himself to be a reckless risk taker. His judgment and his mental stabilty is suspect.

This was a stunt that was supposed to show off his mavericky goodness and resolve this crisis, the problem is that no one took the bait except people who are easily fooled by political kabuki.

These same people actually believe being able to "see Russia from my house" makes one a foreign policy expert.

They will eagerly slurp up any talking point, alternate reality, or stunt like a BBQ at the McCain ranch (house number 2 or 3, I forget which).

Posted by: leeburl | September 26, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Now that McCain's diversionary tactics have failed, I hope Obama's campaign continues to press McCain and his campaign manager Rick Davis on exactly why Davis' firm was getting thousands of dollars in monthly money from Freddie Mac (up until last month). What was done in exchange, outside of granting access to John McCain?

Time for the story to get some more traction, don't you think?

http://scootmandubious.blogspot.com/2008/09/john-mccains-fannie-flak.html

Posted by: scootmandubious | September 26, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Who do the dems put in charge of $700 billion?

Harry Reid, whacked out mob lawyer on prozac.

Chris Dodd, otherwise known as "Countrywide Chris".

Barney Frank, who had a homosexual prostitution ring run out of his apartment, and whose boyfriend was a FANNIE MAE executive who pushed them to back loans to low-income people with no documentation, no income verification.

These are the slugs in charge of $700 billion. John McCain should have stayed in DC and protected our money.

Posted by: Cornell1984 | September 26, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

McCain's decision to actually show up at the debate is similar to being on the Titanic and wondering if he should order the pretzels or the wienerschnitzel. It won't matter. He has revealed himself to be tossed by the winds, uncertain, daft. Mind you, we haven't talked about his bad points yet. Iceberg ahead!

Posted by: medogsbstfrnd | September 26, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

GOP Women are peeling off:

September 26, 2008, 0:00 a.m.

Palin Problem
She’s out of her league.

By Kathleen Parker

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Finally!
Conservative America is coming to its senses!
Not a moment to soon!
THANK YOU KP!

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 26, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

As any good fifth-grade student knows, a preposition is followed by the object form of a pronoun, i.e. "between HIM and Obama," not "between he and Obama."

Chris Cillezza's grammar is as weak as his initial analysis of McCain's bone-headed grandstanding as a "brilliant political gambit."

Posted by: FrankF1 | September 26, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

"But, over the intervening 24 hours, McCain saw what at first looked like a brilliant political gambit turn into a nightmare."

I must have missed the part where it ever looked like a brilliant political gambit. He backed out of a debate, interviewed with Couric at exactly the same time he was supposed to be sitting down with Letterman but didn't because he had "suspended his campaign", showed up in Washington when practically everybody was saying the negotiations were already quite promising, sat in on the White House meeting where he grinned a lot, but was widely reported by members of his own party to have contributed virtually nothing to the discussions. Why anybody thought that this man, whose zeal for deregulation was largely instrumental in creating this mess in the first place, and who is on record as acknowledging his lack of knowledge of economic issues, could possibly have had anything useful to contribute, is beyond my understanding.

Posted by: pwintersmd | September 26, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

"As you can see, Obama has not flipped one single red state."

Except for Colorado and New Mexico. Obama is also competitive in several states which were formerly solid red: Virginia, North Carolina, and Indiana. Obama is outperforming Kerry in almost every state.

Posted by: Blarg | September 26, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

McBush - Palin = Dumb and Dumberer

Posted by: mikedooley | September 26, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Zouk - Your RCP polling data are correct. For full disclosure, however, RCP has all the states you listed as toss-ups.

RCP also pulled MO out of the "leaning McCain" pile today and made it a toss-up, and pegged OR as a "solid Obama."

If the election were held today (or in the last two weeks), McSame might have a chance in the states you listed. But the way things are trending... The Rout is on, my brother.

Posted by: bondjedi | September 26, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

McCain Blinked!!! How un-Reagan-esque.

Posted by: AB68 | September 26, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

"McCain blinked in what had become a high stakes staring contest between he and Obama." Of course you meant HIM and Obama. This is why we need more elites in charge!

Posted by: hilary1 | September 26, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

proudtobeGOP: "McCain's behavior in the meeting, from what we are told, was far more appropriate and shows maturity and seasoning."

Maybe what you were told from the GOP Senatorial Committee.

Senator McCain showed his seasoning and maturity when his initial response to a serious problem was "Fire the SEC chairman; fire the SEC chairman." (Okay, he said FEC chairman, but we'll call that a senior moment.)

Everyone, including conservatives, not only criticized the content, but stated it showed emotional instability not suited to the office.

Posted by: amaikovich | September 26, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

GOP Women are peeling off:

September 26, 2008, 0:00 a.m.

Palin Problem
She’s out of her league.

By Kathleen Parker


If at one time women were considered heretical for swimming upstream against feminist orthodoxy, they now face condemnation for swimming downstream — away from Sarah Palin.

To express reservations about her qualifications to be vice president — and possibly president — is to risk being labeled anti-woman.

Or, as I am guilty of charging her early critics, supporting only a certain kind of woman.

Some of the passionately feminist critics of Palin who attacked her personally deserved some of the backlash they received. But circumstances have changed since Palin was introduced as just a hockey mom with lipstick — what a difference a financial crisis makes — and a more complicated picture has emerged.

As we’ve seen and heard more from John McCain’s running mate, it is increasingly clear that Palin is a problem. Quick study or not, she doesn’t know enough about economics and foreign policy to make Americans comfortable with a President Palin should conditions warrant her promotion.

Yes, she recently met and turned several heads of state as the United Nations General Assembly convened in New York. She was gracious, charming and disarming. Men swooned. Pakistan’s president wanted to hug her. (Perhaps Osama bin Laden is dying to meet her?)

And, yes, she has common sense, something we value. And she’s had executive experience as a mayor and a governor, though of relatively small constituencies (about 6,000 and 680,000, respectively).

Finally, Palin’s narrative is fun, inspiring and all-American in that frontier way we seem to admire. When Palin first emerged as John McCain’s running mate, I confess I was delighted. She was the antithesis and nemesis of the hirsute, Birkenstock-wearing sisterhood — a refreshing feminist of a different order who personified the modern successful working mother.

Palin didn’t make a mess cracking the glass ceiling. She simply glided through it.

It was fun while it lasted.

Palin’s recent interviews with Charles Gibson, Sean Hannity, and now Katie Couric have all revealed an attractive, earnest, confident candidate. Who Is Clearly Out Of Her League.

No one hates saying that more than I do. Like so many women, I’ve been pulling for Palin, wishing her the best, hoping she will perform brilliantly. I’ve also noticed that I watch her interviews with the held breath of an anxious parent, my finger poised over the mute button in case it gets too painful. Unfortunately, it often does. My cringe reflex is exhausted.

Palin filibusters. She repeats words, filling space with deadwood. Cut the verbiage and there’s not much content there. Here’s but one example of many from her interview with Hannity: “Well, there is a danger in allowing some obsessive partisanship to get into the issue that we’re talking about today. And that’s something that John McCain, too, his track record, proving that he can work both sides of the aisle, he can surpass the partisanship that must be surpassed to deal with an issue like this.”

When Couric pointed to polls showing that the financial crisis had boosted Obama’s numbers, Palin blustered wordily: “I’m not looking at poll numbers. What I think Americans at the end of the day are going to be able to go back and look at track records and see who’s more apt to be talking about solutions and wishing for and hoping for solutions for some opportunity to change, and who’s actually done it?”

If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street herself.

If Palin were a man, we’d all be guffawing, just as we do every time Joe Biden tickles the back of his throat with his toes. But because she’s a woman — and the first ever on a Republican presidential ticket — we are reluctant to say what is painfully true.

What to do?

McCain can’t repudiate his choice for running mate. He not only risks the wrath of the GOP’s unforgiving base, but he invites others to second-guess his executive decision-making ability. Barack Obama faces the same problem with Biden.

Only Palin can save McCain, her party, and the country she loves. She can bow out for personal reasons, perhaps because she wants to spend more time with her newborn. No one would criticize a mother who puts her family first.

Do it for your country.

— Kathleen Parker is a nationally syndicated columnist.

© 2008, Washington Post Writers Group


Posted by: concernedaboutdc | September 26, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Proud, so nice to have you back. It was getting very swampy in here. the liberal miasma was getting deep.

guess what the reply was to:

"Liberals have an impossible time defending their beliefs, which is why they rely on slogans and catch phrases, unfounded rumors and ad hominem attacks, on those who, like Sara Palin, think clearly and live according to Judeo-Christian principles."


hint: slogans and catch phrases, unfounded rumors and ad hominem attacks


not a bit of wit in the whole bunch.

they can't help themselves. Like bill and Monica, like hillary and stealing. like Obama and uber-leftism. Like pelosi and spending. Like Reid and cowardice. Pavlov would be delighted.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | September 26, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Oops, Virginia just flipped. Your post had relevance for what, 15 minutes? A new personal best!

Even so, pretending there is no difference between a 10 point difference and a 1.2 difference is just that: pretend.

Posted by: cao091402 | September 26, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

"The news that John McCain will debate Barack Obama tonight in Mississippi is a concession by the Arizona senator that his attempt to score a quick political victory on legislation to bail out the financial sector did not pan out as he had hoped."

I have to agree with this. At first, it looked like McCain would provide leadership, but he called a big play without the substance to pull it off. He had no leadership to provide, only sat around looking like an unwanted interloper in the dysfunctional Pelosi-Paulson two-step to rip off the taxpayer with this bailout, a two-step that offended house republicans and who wanted to make sure everyone knew they weren't on board for this scam.

Well, McCain had no real leadership or insights to provide and only hurt himself.

He truly does appear to be an economic idiot. Which leads me to ask yet again, how could he be sandbagged by this crisis and caught off guard when it was so obviously brewing for over a year? It's one thing for McCain to not be strong in economics. It's another thing to be missing that part of his brain that would allow him to think about economics coherently. Seems like he's got the latter problem.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 26, 2008 1:24 PM
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Point of Correction:

It was the Republican President and his administration that submitted this "two-step" proposal "to rip off the taxpayer with this bailout, a two-step that offended house republicans and who wanted to make sure everyone knew they weren't on board for this scam.

That's YOUR man, George W. Bush.

Posted by: concernedaboutdc | September 26, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

andylong5274

Your rant made as much sense as some of McCain's stunts.

Take some anger management classes.

Posted by: leeburl | September 26, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Did some poster really cast McCain as "Grandpa Simpson"?

LoL

Posted by: free-donny | September 26, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Zouk back and anonymous out. Too bad they hadn't had a chance to bond.

Posted by: optimyst | September 26, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

was 14 million to acorn McCain's plan, dont think so...this was a bad plan written by dem paulsen...it should be trashed and new plan worked on...

Posted by: DwightHCollins | September 26, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Essentially Obama has stated for the record :"all my plans are out the window"

the surge worked and we won - strike one
the economy has some problems, not a good time to raise taxes and splurge - strike 2
government interference causes more problems than it solves - strike 3

Hit the showers Junior!

Posted by: king_of_zouk | September 26, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse
####################################

More fantasy and distortion

First, we have not won in Iraq. If we had won, we would be moving troops to Afghanistan where we are losing.

Second, if Obama raises my taxes, I know that he will raise the taxes higher for the wealthy.

Third - It was conservative greed, incompetence, and unwillingness to supervise that caused this financial meltdown.

Come November, it is strike three and you bums are out of power.

Posted by: maggots | September 26, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

I am not commenting at this time on the content, but please hire an editor or buy a grammar book. The term is "contest between him and Obama," not "between he and Obama." As Dizzy Dean might say, "you learn 'em English and I'll learn "em politics.

Posted by: lifestory | September 26, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl, I completely disagree with your conclusion about McCain's undertanding of the financial crisis. I think it is great to see an elected official challenging the status quou, questioning the validity of the "expert" opinions that wanterd to rush this massive hanout down the taxpayers' throats.

When you've got almost everyone, from the President to the Fed Chair to the Congressional leaders all nodding their heads in agreement and going along with rubber-stamping what started out on Sunday as a 3 PAGE DRAFT that costs a third of the Federal budget I think it is GOOD
to have someone have the balls enough to say, wait a minute - is this
the right way? is this what we really need to do? is the problem
going to be fixed by throwing unprecedented amounts of taxpayer money
at it?

And Thank God for the House Republicans who were the only ones to question this massive hand out and put the brakes on it. I applaud their ability to challenge the herd mentality that Paulson has
been driving in Washington.


McCain's behavior in the meeting, from what we are told, was far more appropriate and shows maturity and seasoning. Obama went in there trying to lead the meeting, when he was the most junior legislator at
the table! In my mind, this display of the last few days has highlighted Obama's inexperience and his arrogance as he jumped on board with the Democrat Bailout and Extra Handouts for Everybody Plan that is a real lemon.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | September 26, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Yes, it has been a difficult past 72 hours for the McNuts campaign; the difficulties being of his own making.

Posted by: okjoel | September 26, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

The next new position--yesterday it was "I won't debate unless there is a deal."

From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/mccain-and-bushs-kabuki-theatre-mccain.html

Thursday, September 25, 2008
Credit Where Credit Isn't Due: McCain and Bush's Kabuki Theatre

Now we know why McCain hired the Bush contingent.

It emerged in the White House briefing today that McCain called Bush and asked him to initiate a meeting today at 4 pm at the White House, putatively for him to "deal with" the crisis.

That is, McCain asked Bush to help him create an trifecta: To try to lend some credence to McCain's desperate assertion that a suspension of his campaign is necessary, in effect either avoiding a debate in which he would face critical questions about his stance on the economy or marching in claiming "victory"; attempting to co opt the financial crisis thereby trying to put an end to his plummeting in the polls created by his flailing positions on the economy--perhaps best reflected by his statement days ago that the "fundamentals of the economy are strong"; and also perhaps buying more time for Sarah Palin after her embarrassing photo op at the UN yesterday, by moving her debate forward as well.

Here's how it happened, according to Q and A at the WHB:

McCain emailed Bush asking for the 4 P.M. meeting. Now, one reasonably might ask, why is today such a necessity for McCain, if his interest is solely the national good?

Because it is before the debate. McCain hopes to stage a meeting at the White House, thereby, with Bush's cooperation, lending plausibility to his claim to need to suspend his campaign. Then, if Republicans, in their own electoral interest, can be persuaded to come to agreement, before the debate, he would claim--in an act of utter stage management--to have "resolved" the crisis. Thereby hoping to take the heat off on his past careening stances and sliding polls and staunch the bleeding on the polls--before the debate.

This is Kabuki Theatre masquerading as substance--no different than what we saw at the U.N. yesterday.

It is utterly stage managed, utterly cynical, and utterly unrelated to the substantive deliberation necessary to actually resolve these matters on the merits and for our nation's future, rather than for short-term and desperate political advantage.

These occurrences are equally important for what they indicate about McCain's governing style as they are for their impact upon democratic process: impulsive acts that rely on drama and theatrical posture rather than substantive reasoning and long-term deliberation; a strong willingness to sacrifice substantive reasoning, deliberative process, and even prior structures and agreements to immediate political need; an attempt to reach outcomes through last minute stage management rather than substantive argument.

These should create deep concern for anyone who wishes for a change in governmental process from the past eight years.

We have an economy, rather than a campaign, to rescue. Putting nation before politics means putting all attempts to resolve it before political attempts to co opt it--and to move towards one's commitments, rather than towards a more immediate and short-term salvation.

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/mccain-and-bushs-kabuki-theatre-mccain.html

Posted by: caraprado1 | September 26, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Who is John McCain?

Tonya Harding.

John McCain is Tonya Harding.

Stay with me!

"I can't go to the debate-- look! My laces broke!"

Yes, Senator, your laces have broken. You secured your footing in domestic policy, with the theory that deregulation and tax breaks to the wealthy would sustain and nurture the country's economy. And lo and behold, the theory has snapped like a cheap shoelace. I'm really just as disappointed and surprized as you are!

And those bad, bad boys on Wall Street-- those "Galloolies", if you will-- I know you really didn't know they were capable of such greed and violence towards the innocent! It's like they took an iron bar and started whacking at the kneecaps of Lady Liberty. It's insanity! Yes, you have been supported by those Galloolies and of course you've shown them love in the past, but you really knew nothing about this whole mess they've made.

But don't worry Sen. McCain. America is strong. Americans have elected their best and brightest to Congress-- these people could have been making much more money on Wall Street (I mean, WOW!) but out of public service and a belief that they can make the country great for their fellow Americans, I am confident that they will come together to make sure that this gets fixed up. That the next time a Galloolie comes running up on Lady Liberty, she'll at least have some notice to plant a strong kick in the tuckus on the goon.

Now I know you want to stay in Washington to help fix the mess. You feel responsible. That's understandible.

But if you just can't find it in yourself to relace up those skates and get out there and campaign again like the great presidential candidate you most certainly are, maybe you can hand off your skates to Gov. Palin. Let her get into that debate. When you are President, she will need to fill in for you repeatedly in this crazy, topsy-turvey world, and America needs to know that if you are unavailable, Vice President Palin will be strong, secure and savvy to protect America and America's allies. The debate tonight will mostly be about foriegn policy-- an area that America is most hesitant regarding Gov. Palin (and Sen Obama), so this will be a perfect opportunity for her to really shine in that one area of uncertainty.

Plus, she can ask Senator Obama why he isn't doing his job back in Washington (oops, never mind, seems like he has been in Washington whenever the President or other members of Congress think his presence is needed, but he is otherwise delegating/ respecting/leaving it to the experts to work on the bail-out. That actually sounds pretty reasonable, rather Presidential, even).

Anyway, I hear the music starting up and the Zamboni has cleared the ice. America awaits your performance with baited breath . . . .


Posted by: captiolhillmom | September 26, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

what this fails to incorporate, and I point out that the overall results are the same as Zogby, is the last minute fear that many independents will realize when they get into the voting booth and remember that Obama has never demonstrated a single accomplishment in his entire life.

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What this doesn't incorporate is the fact that in the voting pboth, voters will remember McCain's cheap dramatics and Palin's inability to respond to questioning by Couric coherently and with great relief vote for someone with brains and impulse control who ran a brilliant campaign without going broke or falling apart at the least sign of stress.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 26, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

"Liberals have an impossible time defending their beliefs, which is why they rely on slogans and catch phrases, unfounded rumors and ad hominem attacks, on those who, like Sara Palin, think clearly and live according to Judeo-Christian principles."
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Do Judeo-Christian principles include: telling lies to promote oneself, the repeating them over and over even when proven untrue? Do these priniciples include mean-spirited, condescension toward another human being? Christians are only human, and Sarah Palin's human ambitions are far more compellingly on display than any Christian principles. She is partaking in a dishonest, low campaign, quite engagingly. Not a good message for our youth. The "do whatever it takes to win" approach, even if you have to destroy the other person. Judeo-Christian? Not so much.

Posted by: bethechange1 | September 26, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse
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Actually, it appears that Judeo Christian principals involve inviting murderers to your church who kill women in the name of wiping out witches, having that murderer lay hands on you, and then asking Jesus to protect you from witchcraft.

America - when you go to the polls in November, ask yourself one questions. Do you wish to live in the 21st Century U.S.A. or 17th Century Salem, MA?

Witches? Witchcraft? I couldn't make this stuff up if I had just chugged a fifth of Jack Daniels.

Posted by: VeloStrummer | September 26, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Most political observers could name the policy specialties of three of the figures in this race easily. Palin’s policy “specialties” are energy and cutting wasteful spending. We know McCain’s, national security and reform/pork-busting. We know Joe Biden’s, foreign policy and the judiciary.

What areas of policy does Barack Obama know best? I think if you asked ten Obama supporters you would get ten different answers, with perhaps something related to the judicial system near the top. His backers will say this is because he’s well–rounded; others may put it that he’s a jack of all trades and master of none and his critics may assess, with some credibility, that Obama’s fields of expertise are ‘hope,’ pledges of ‘change,’ race, and himself, the subject of his first two books.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | September 26, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

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Well, McCain himself said that he doesn't know much about economics, and Palin's interviews have shown that she doesn't know much about anything.

Frankly, I don't care what your political observers say about Obama.

Posted by: maggots | September 26, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Essentially Obama has stated for the record :"all my plans are out the window"

the surge worked and we won - strike one
the economy has some problems, not a good time to raise taxes and splurge - strike 2
government interference causes more problems than it solves - strike 3

Hit the showers Junior!

Posted by: king_of_zouk | September 26, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

McCain will do fine in the debate. The bar is so low now, it's on the ground.

Posted by: YUTZ | September 26, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

For 7 1/2 years the D-crats have been saying that everything George W Bush does is WRONG. Then dumbya comes along with the biggest, ugliest Warthog of his career - the unnecessary $700 BILLION bailout with taxpayer money.

The Congressional D-crats then rush into action. Pelosi adds some lipstick, Reid combs the fur and Barney Frank, in spite of his limp-wrist affliction, curls the tail and adds a pretty bow. And sweetie hussein, like a person that only "talks" but never "does" says: I'm just a phone call away if you need me!

Then the D-crats say, what a lovey Warthog we now have - let's all kiss it's approval and move on to something really important, like a gum-flapping debate.

Meanwhile, as most Americans revolt against this outrageous plan, one politician stands up and says, FOR CH**T'S SAKE - IT'S ANOTHER WARTHOG FROM DUMBYA! WE NEED TO DO A LOT MORE THAN JUST PRETTY-IT-UP AND APPROVE IT! (Now we can all can see who really is a continuation of dumbya - and who isn't.)

As expected, the D-crats ridicule this maverick behavior. So be it. Let's hope that McCain keeps "Country First" and proceeds with major surgery on dumbya's latest and worst Warthog.

Posted by: ImpeachNOW | September 26, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

And this 2008 Presidential Election Weekly Poll says it all.
You Won't Believe These Results!

http://www.votenic.com

Also, voice your opinion on the $700,000,000,000 Bailout!

Posted by: votenic | September 26, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I cant wait., this will be a great debate. Both candidates are not that great at debating so it is pretty even matched. Watch Obama and McCains greatest and worse debate moments at watchdebate.com http://www.watchdebate.com

Posted by: pastor123 | September 26, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

>>>The Democratic interests stood together in opposition to an agreement that would accommodate additional taxpayer protections.

That much is true. However, McCoward doesn't want to tell you exactly WHAT TAXPAYER protections he was talking about. The RePIGliKlan House plan wants to suspend the capital gains tax for two years and provide other corporate tax breaks. How well do you think Cougar Cindy's massive stock portfolio would do with a two year moratorium on the capital gains tax.

PIG McCain wanted to offer another teat for his special interest friends to suckle.

ME FIRST, MY FRIENDS SECOND.

Posted by: VeloStrummer | September 26, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

"The news that John McCain will debate Barack Obama tonight in Mississippi is a concession by the Arizona senator that his attempt to score a quick political victory on legislation to bail out the financial sector did not pan out as he had hoped."

I have to agree with this. At first, it looked like McCain would provide leadership, but he called a big play without the substance to pull it off. He had no leadership to provide, only sat around looking like an unwanted interloper in the dysfunctional Pelosi-Paulson two-step to rip off the taxpayer with this bailout, a two-step that offended house republicans and who wanted to make sure everyone knew they weren't on board for this scam.

Well, McCain had no real leadership or insights to provide and only hurt himself.

He truly does appear to be an economic idiot. Which leads me to ask yet again, how could he be sandbagged by this crisis and caught off guard when it was so obviously brewing for over a year? It's one thing for McCain to not be strong in economics. It's another thing to be missing that part of his brain that would allow him to think about economics coherently. Seems like he's got the latter problem.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 26, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Yesterday, I worked some, ate, watched TV, and read a book. Then I went to sleep. This influenced the bailout talks as much as McCain's grandstanding.

BTW Chris, it's "between him and Obama," not "between he and Obama."

Posted by: semitone | September 26, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes Dick Morris gets it right:

"Knowing how unpopular the bailout is with the American people, the Democrats are not about to pass anything without broad Republican support even though their majorities permit them to act alone. Instead of signing on with the Democratic/Bush package, the House Republicans are insisting on replacing the purchase of corporate debt with loans to companies and insurance paid for by the companies, not by the taxpayers. That, of course, is a popular position.

McCain would be comfortable to debate this issue division all day. And, if the Dems don’t cave into the Republican position, that’s probably exactly what he’ll do on Friday night’s scheduled debate in Mississippi.

But the Democrats are not about to be stubborn. They know their package is a lemon and need the political cover of Republican support.

So the Republicans can write their own ticket…and they will. John McCain will be at the center of the emerging compromise while Obama is out on the campaign trail kissing babies. If the deal is cut before Friday’s debate, my bet is that McCain shows up in triumph. If it isn’t, he shows up anyway and flagellates Obama over the differences between the Democratic package and McCain’s." DickMorris.com

McCain didn't 'blink" at all. You've got it all wrong CC. Let Obama defend his tax increases now. McCain can take the tax issue right to Obama, saying that the tax increase Obama is pushing would destroy the bailout, ruin the economy, and trigger a collapse.

This bold move by McCain is about to work. Big time.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | September 26, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

OK, real clear politics then:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/#data

Ohio (20) 45.1 46.3 McCain +1.2
Florida (27) 46.0 47.6 McCain +1.6
Nevada (5) 45.3 47.0 McCain +1.7
New Hampshire (4) 46.7 45.4 Obama +1.3 Pennsylvania (21) 47.6 44.1 Obama +3.5 Virginia (13) 46.5 47.3 McCain +0.8

As you can see, Obama has not flipped one single red state, even with his stellar leadership during the financial crisis. (if the phone don't ring, it's me). you may consider this week his high water mark perhaps, if you beleive all the loony leftists who decry Mccains efforts.

what this fails to incorporate, and I point out that the overall results are the same as Zogby, is the last minute fear that many independents will realize when they get into the voting booth and remember that Obama has never demonstrated a single accomplishment in his entire life. Ok, except running his campaign. Swell. and that he will continue to be a pawn for the ultra left Pelosi and spineless Reid, rubber stamping their ideas over Ma Bell. He can return to HI and spend his 4 year term there on the beach.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | September 26, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

"Liberals have an impossible time defending their beliefs, which is why they rely on slogans and catch phrases, unfounded rumors and ad hominem attacks, on those who, like Sara Palin, think clearly and live according to Judeo-Christian principles."
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Do Judeo-Christian principles include: telling lies to promote oneself, the repeating them over and over even when proven untrue? Do these priniciples include mean-spirited, condescension toward another human being? Christians are only human, and Sarah Palin's human ambitions are far more compellingly on display than any Christian principles. She is partaking in a dishonest, low campaign, quite engagingly. Not a good message for our youth. The "do whatever it takes to win" approach, even if you have to destroy the other person. Judeo-Christian? Not so much.

Posted by: bethechange1 | September 26, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Lindsey Graham should be excited about the prospect of going with McCoward to Oxford. CaCa Talk One will be going to several airports and Sen. Graham will have ample opportunity to cruise the public toilets Larry Craig Style.

Posted by: VeloStrummer | September 26, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a two bit thug LIAR!


I guess we also have an answer as to how seriously we should take McCain's claims of having "suspended his campaign." As in not releasing ads. Or pushing spin. No, that's the stuff of campaigning. And we all know that whatever McCain is doing right now, it's certainly not campaigning.


To be fair, though, I suppose you could grant that McCain has in fact suspended his campaign. So what has happened is probably totally unprecedented:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/muzikal203/McBush/26Sep_Friday_WSJ.jpg


The vacuum created by McCain's absent campaign has actually sucked in campaign commercials from the future, so that we see them now!

Posted by: DrainYou | September 26, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

***Make no mistake: It's been a very difficult last 72 hours for McCain's campaign. But, if he can outperform expectations in tonight's debate all of the sturm und drang of the last three days will likely be forgotten overnight.***


keep dreaming, chrissy.

Posted by: mycomment | September 26, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Someone wrote here that Sarah Palin can think clearly -if you heard her speak and you think that is clear- you must be the stoner.

Posted by: AndrearKline | September 26, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Zouk has never let reality interfere with his beliefs.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 26, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Now you see why it's important to vote.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWsYIF-Do9M

Posted by: MDickey28 | September 26, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

"The big shift in the race appears to have come among independent voters, where McCain now leads by nine points, 43% to 34%. In the survey conducted over the weekend, Obama led by one point among independents."

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1562

Zogby International was the most accurate pollster in every one of the last three presidential election cycles, and continues to perfect its telephone and interactive methodologies using its own live operator, in-house call center in Upstate New York, and its own secure servers for its online polling projects.

.......................

I see we're playing "Pick A Poll" today.

Let's consult the Poll of Polls found at realclearpolitics.com. Hmmm, Obama is up 4% nationally continuing on an upward trend which began on 9/16.

Still feeling smug, King Zouke?

Posted by: binkynh | September 26, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

"Liberals have an impossible time defending their beliefs, which is why they rely on slogans and catch phrases, unfounded rumors and ad hominem attacks, on those who, like Sara Palin, think clearly and live according to Judeo-Christian principles."
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Palin think clearly? Here's one of my favorite quotes from her:

“We must not, Charlie, blink, Charlie, because, Charlie, as I’ve said, Charlie, before, John McCain has said, Charlie, that — and remember here, Charlie, we’re talking about John McCain, Charlie, who, Charlie, is John McCain and I won’t be blinking, Charlie.”

That you think this is clear thinking just shows how crazily delusional you are.

Posted by: ChrisRestonVA | September 26, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

What a mismanaged mess on McCain's part. He jumped the shark and while he was in midair, the shark bit him in the cojones, neutering his campaign.

What this does mean is that McCain will try even wilder STUNTS in the next 5+ weeks. He'll try to jump 20 motorcycles with a shorty school bus (the former Straight Talk Express) next Monday.

Posted by: Roofelstoon | September 26, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Sen. McCain's actions would have been more believable had he suspended his campaign about 10 days ago when the crisis came to a head. But, alas, that was when his position was "the economy is fundamentally strong." Then, he didn't think the government should bail out AIG; then, the next day, he did. As of Monday, he acknowleged he had not read the 3-page report a full day after he received it. The next day, he was suspending his campaign and rushing off to DC - actually, 22 hours after his announcement - first, Katie Couric, Clinton's Global Initiative, ...

McCain looks like a desperate, reckless man. He may be a "gambler,as he likes to say - but, I hope Americans don't let him gamble with our future. He chose a weak VP in his first major decision; he hired Dick Cheney and Karl Rove strategists to run his campaign; he has lied throughout; and he seems impulsive. We must vote rationally, not just emotionally. Clearly, Sen. Obama has been more calm, presidential and informed throughout this crisis.

Posted by: bethechange1 | September 26, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

The latest polls: More bad news for McMansions.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/index.html

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | September 26, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

jgarrisn: Good one. That's within the margin of error, right?

Posted by: cao091402 | September 26, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Moonbat - if you believe that there are 5 point fluctuations on poll results that actually reflect reality, you need to go back to math class.

but I encourage you to relish this point in the campaign, the last day it appeared that Obama had a chance.

After THE ONE stumbles and bumbles his way to all his non-answers tonight, and after his utter lack of any leadership (phone me if you need me), the Independents are going to abandon him faster than the liberal congress runs from a responsible vote.

can anyone tell me, what is Madame Pelosi, the worst speaker in history, waiting for? she doesn't need a single R vote to ram anything she wants right through. It never stopped her before.

Perhaps it is because her fingerprints are all over the scene of the crime???

If we are lucky, the voters will wake up and show her the exit.

don't even get me started on the flacid and contemptable limp noodle Reid.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | September 26, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Gallup now has Obama up by 3. Yesterday, it was even.
Guess the McCain shuffle didn't dazzle Americans the way it did Zouk.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 26, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Imagining McCain as president during the Great Depression of the 1930s is kinda like imagining Bush as president during the Cuban missile crisis.

Thank God Democrats are here to clean up the mess left by Republicans!

Posted by: jgarrisn | September 26, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Who is John McCain?

Tonya Harding.

John McCain is Tonya Harding.

Stay with me!

"I can't go to the debate-- look! My laces broke!"

Yes, Senator, your laces have broken. You secured your footing in domestic policy, with the theory that deregulation and tax breaks to the wealthy would sustain and nurture the country's economy. And lo and behold, the theory has snapped like a cheap shoelace. I'm really just as disappointed and surprized as you are!

And those bad, bad boys on Wall Street-- those "Galloolies", if you will-- I know you really didn't know they were capable of such greed and violence towards the innocent! It's like they took an iron bar and started whacking at the kneecaps of Lady Liberty. It's insanity! Yes, you have been supported by those Galloolies and of course you've shown them love in the past, but you really knew nothing about this whole mess they've made.

But don't worry Sen. McCain. America is strong. Americans have elected their best and brightest to Congress-- these people could have been making much more money on Wall Street (I mean, WOW!) but out of public service and a belief that they can make the country great for their fellow Americans, I am confident that they will come together to make sure that this gets fixed up. That the next time a Galloolie comes running up on Lady Liberty, she'll at least have some notice to plant a strong kick in the tuckus on the goon.

Now I know you want to stay in Washington to help fix the mess. You feel responsible. That's understandible.

But if you just can't find it in yourself to relace up those skates and get out there and campaign again like the great presidential candidate you most certainly are, maybe you can hand off your skates to Gov. Palin. Let her get into that debate. When you are President, she will need to fill in for you repeatedly in this crazy, topsy-turvey world, and America needs to know that if you are unavailable, Vice President Palin will be strong, secure and savvy to protect America and America's allies. The debate tonight will mostly be about foriegn policy-- an area that America is most hesitant regarding Gov. Palin (and Sen Obama), so this will be a perfect opportunity for her to really shine in that one area of uncertainty.

Plus, she can ask Senator Obama why he isn't doing his job back in Washington (oops, never mind, seems like he has been in Washington whenever the President or other members of Congress think his presence is needed, but he is otherwise delegating/ respecting/leaving it to the experts to work on the bail-out. That actually sounds pretty reasonable, rather Presidential, even).

Anyway, I hear the music starting up and the Zamboni has cleared the ice. America awaits your performance with baited breath . . . .


Posted by: captiolhillmom | September 26, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

John McCaint has suddenly gotten quite concerned about the crisis on Wall Street.

Just more lies....

So much so that he has announced he’s suspending his campaign and rushing back to Washington so he can work with Congress on solving the problem and he wants Obama to do the same which will mean putting off that pesky debate they were supposed to have on Friday.

The situation was so urgent in fact that McCaint called up David Letterman personally to cancel his appearance on his show so he wouldn’t waste any time tackling the problem.

Except that he apparently had time to stick around long enough to film an interview with Katie Couric, to "expalin" the pathetic interview with peeeuuu Palin whereas she fumbles and get confused on such a simple subject....and literally self destructs on CBS.....

So while McCaint was at the West 57th street CBS News Location.....at same point in time he would have been on Letterman.

Needless to say, Dave wasn’t impressed. In fact Dave had some pretty good points to make during the course of the show.

David Letterman was absolutely furious at Senator John McCain for snubbing him and instead making an appearance on a CBS News interview with Katie Couric.

According to Letterman, McCaint personally called him and apologized for bailing out at the last minute.

He said he was suspending his campaign to rush to Washington and help fight America’s biggest economic crisis since the great depression.

Letterman understood the urgency of this issue and said it was ok.

Boy, Was he mad when he knew that McCaint did not actually go to Washington to solve the ‘Crisis’ and fix the ‘Crater’ in the economy?

Letterman stopped his interview with Keith Olbermann midway to show a live TV feed of McCaint getting makeup for his interview with Katie Couric.

Letterman said something is terribly wrong with McCain’s campaign ..and it smells....(peeeuuu Palin anyone)and that he was just playing a political game by saying that he was suspending his campaign.

And when Dave saw McCaint with Couric having makeup applied to his cancer ridden head he yelled out and said: "Hey John, do you need a ride to the airport??????.

He felt this a political gimmick to stop his sliding poll numbers from sliding further. He repeatedly asked the same question - ‘Where is your running mate, Sarah Palin?’.

You do not suspend a campaign a month before elections, you get your second in command to run the show instead.

A total of 10 minutes was used up by Dave Letterman to shred McCain and his publicity stunt into pieces.

View David's Anger @
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjkCrfylq-E

After the Walter Cronkite moment of 1968 now 40 years later for McCaint on David Letterman......I don’t think McCain will be scheduling a follow-up appearance anytime soon.

Thanks Again Dave.... for showing us the truth..yet again......McCaint can't multi-task.....

Its the end of the peeeuuu Palin bubble and McCaints lies.......

"Thanks but no thanks for more of the lies that bridge America to nowhere......"

Posted by: AlexP1 | September 26, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

"All the polls you need"? No, I need more than just Zogby. Try Real Clear Politics.

Posted by: cao091402 | September 26, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

One Car
One House
One Spouse

Obama 08

Posted by: dan3 | September 26, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

McCain lead in Florida now down to one point.

Nationally, Obama takes lead among independents by 5.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 26, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

king_of_zouk,

You only posted Zogby polls, the same polls that were WAY off for the North Carolina and Indiana democratic primary. That is when I stopped trusting Zogby. Any way, who knows what is asked of people WHO actually get polled. I KNOW NO ONE who has ever been polled, NO ONE! Bottom-line, if you vote in McCain, not only do you get an out-of-touch, clueless, half wit of a President, but you get as much are more of the same in a VP! Did you hear this woman's interview with Katie Curic (however you spell her last name)? Sarah Palin is in WAY over her head.

I took a job before that was way over my head. Even though I learned a lot, I failed miserably and never again took on ANYTHING that was WAY over my head. She will fail if elected and WE, the citizens of this republic, will pay!

Posted by: ajackson3 | September 26, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

kingofzouk....

You need to spend less time smoking poll and more time seeing reality....

Reality being that your candidate is imploding by the minute.

Oh and Palin ain't so bright. You wanna see some polls on her? I didn't think so....

Posted by: RightDownTheMiddle | September 26, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Latest Poll:

Obama 99%
McCain 0%
Unsure 1%

See, zoulk, I can make up numbers too!

Posted by: jgarrisn | September 26, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

How come so many McCain propagandists have the same, usually untrue talking points and the same need to make 200 posts? If you think anyone's a big winner as the country goes down in flames both financial and partisan, you're exactly the people who created this mess. Go ahead, elect McCain. His steady and reliable leadership will make everything better.

Posted by: cvm1 | September 26, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe the nonsense spewed by posters like zouk. Clearly, McCain is a reckless fool and Palin an embarrasing incompetent. That anyone would think this pair should be leading the nation is extremely troubling and frightening.

Posted by: ChrisRestonVA | September 26, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

McCain has caved on this just like he caved when he was a POW.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | September 26, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

Your reporting is terrific but your grammar needs some work.

(Spin aside, McCain blinked in what had become a high stakes staring contest between he and Obama.)

Posted by: larpea | September 26, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Just in:
Obama takes 5 point lead in Virginia.

McCain holds Ohio by just a point.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 26, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

"The big shift in the race appears to have come among independent voters, where McCain now leads by nine points, 43% to 34%. In the survey conducted over the weekend, Obama led by one point among independents."

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1562

Zogby International was the most accurate pollster in every one of the last three presidential election cycles, and continues to perfect its telephone and interactive methodologies using its own live operator, in-house call center in Upstate New York, and its own secure servers for its online polling projects.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | September 26, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

How does John McCain rise above partisan politics? By accusing Obama of "political posturing" for coming to the meeting McCain wanted.

Integrity last. Can any neutral obsever imagine a McCain-Palin administration and not cringe at this point. Obama's a gamble, unproven and untested, but McCain's a walking disaster these days.

Posted by: cvm1 | September 26, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse


Sigh.

Bush punked the Democrats into signing on as, guess what?

Big spenders!

It's kind of brilliant. All the Dems had to say to Bush was "no" like the rest of us did.

I don't know anyone who is for this bailout.

In other, more important news, did you know that Sara Palin is safe from witches? Don't you feel safer?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl4HIc-yfgM

(it doesn't get "good" until about 7 minutes in)

Posted by: tony_in_Durham_NC | September 26, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Rasmussen:

Obama now leads by five among unaffiliated voters. Last week, the unaffiliated voters were leaning in McCain’s direction.

Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows Barack Obama attracting 50% of the vote while John McCain earns 45%. This is Obama’s biggest lead since his convention bounce peaked with a six-point advantage.

In fact, on only two days since clinching the Democratic nomination in early June has Obama enjoyed a lead bigger than he has today.

New data shows McCain’s lead is down to a single percentage point in Ohio and Florida.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 26, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

KOZ writes:
"I am more curious about the ten point swing in Independent voters that happened."

Source, please?

Posted by: mnteng | September 26, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

All the polls you need:

State: Ohio

Updated: 9/25/2008

Summary:
McCain - 49.8%
Obama - 43.9%
Not Sure/Other - 6.3%

State: Pennsylvania

Updated: 9/25/2008

Summary:
McCain - 49.1%
Obama - 44.3%
Not Sure/Other - 6.6%

State: Virginia

Updated: 9/25/2008

Summary:
McCain - 50.3%
Obama - 43.8%Not Sure/Other - 5.9%

State: Florida

Updated: 9/25/2008

Summary:
McCain - 52.1%
Obama - 41.8%
Not Sure/Other - 6.1%

State: New Hampshire

Updated: 9/25/2008

Summary:
McCain - 49.1%
Obama - 42.8%
Not Sure/Other - 8.1%

State: Colorado

Updated: 9/25/2008

Summary:
McCain - 47.5%
Obama - 45.5%
Not Sure/Other - 7.0%

http://www.zogby.com/50state/

failing math and then bragging about it does not advance your cause.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | September 26, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

The shark has been jumped.

Posted by: giverny98 | September 26, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I am more curious about the ten point swing in Independent voters that happened.
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Poor Zouk.

Todays' polls have Obama up by 5 and 7.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 26, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, my post below was garbled in the first 2 paragraphs, which should be rewritten as follows:

All this bailout does is use taxpayers to put money back in financiers' pockets, on the theory -- this is no joke -- that if they have money they will start lending it to each other.

Buying these toxic portfolios is supposed to ease the lending paranoia because, the Bushies argue, then banks won't be sitting on bad assets and people will be more confident (i.e. buying their bad assets are supposed to solve the confidence crisis). But there are reasons why banks aren't lending money to consumers and each other, and the fact that no one knows how much the mortgage-backed derivatives are worth isn't the only reason. There are many reasons. There are real issues having to do with mortgages being underwater, and other marketplace problems.

Here's a marketplace problem I bet you haven't heard of that affects credit markets: real inflation rates are higher than interest rates, so there's no money in lending. Who wants to lend someone money at 4 percent below the inflation rate? But the government has been calculating crooked and misrepresentative inflation rates that makes it look lower than they are. There are many reasons why the credit markets are seized up right now, and the Bush Administration/Paulson plan is very simplistic to the extent that it is quite literally a scam.

Parts our economy will collapse (are collapsing). That is clear and it's unlikely it can be stopped now. What is not clear is that it benefits America for taxpayers to dump a lot of money into Wall Street pockets right now as we see the collapses starting to materialize, because someone threatens us with the notion that if we pour a lot of money into Wall Street we can solve the problems. Putting money back in financiers' pockets after they have already more or less lost it, won't stop the collapses (this is a scam and anyone who claims that it will is pushing the scam).

It's well known that banks have been sitting on cash even when they aren't starved for liquidity. Banks have not been lending even when those who ask don't have big SIV's in their portfolios (SIV = "structured investment vehicle" full of mortgage backed derivative products).

Putting Wall Street into the green with taxpayer money won't make them happy to lend it out, given these other conditions that are really troublesome for our economy, like high inflation rates that are destabilizing our mortgage finance marketplace. Unfortunately, the proposed bailout package, being underwritten by taxpayer money we don't have, will cause more weakness in the dollar as the Treasuries are sold, and will worsen inflation. As inflation worsens, the mortgage finance marketplace, credit markets and other parts of our economy will suffer even more. So there are more than one ways in which this bailout package comes at everyone else's expense.

This sounds harsh, but let the bad companies on Wall Street fail and die. If the government wants to keep the mortgage market and commercial banking alive, it can more effectively start direct lending.

Hillary Clinton is the only one who has had the answers and has been spouting them for months now. I recommend her WSJ article:

Let's Keep People In Their Homes
By HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122230767702474045.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

During the primary season, when everyone was jeering and mocking her in the way everyone is now jeering and mocking McCain, and ignoring her substantive stump speeches and talking poitns, Clinton was saying that we had to stop the foreclosures for our economy to stabilize.

No one is listening to her, even today. It is a shame that she wasn't nominated as her party's leaders, but she does have the right answers.

The Republicans are right: let this bailout die. We are going to crash, with or without it. It's a scam. If you want to do something about the housing/mortgage sector mess, give Hillary Clinton a call.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 26, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Which is why this nation was founded on rational principles of human law, not religious dogma.


Posted by: wpost4112


I guess you don't read too well. you may want to review some of our founding documents. I recall one that goes something like:

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

I keep wondering who that creator guy is - perhaps AL gore??? you know that one that made up all the laws of Nature?

moonbat, I don't expect a sane response so don't even try.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | September 26, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

McCain's presence brought the spotlight onto the scam that was unfolding.

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Exactly. The scam of McCain's cynical and dis-honorable campaign. With polls dropping and Palin's disastrous interview with Couric, he needed something to shift the light onto something besides his own poor judgment and Palin's incompetence.

So he nose-dived.

And crashed.

And the lights reveal the remains of a man who betrayed himself and his country.

Tragic.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 26, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

I am not surprised to see that the rabid Libs are not impressed with McCain this week, or that they fail to see the complete weakness exhibited by
Obama.

I am more curious about the ten point swing in Independent voters that happened. Was it McCain's leadership (real or imagined), Obama's timidity (real or imagined), the realization that it was Barney Frank, Chuck Schumer and the Liberal congress that failed us into this mess, the grasp that Repubs don't want any part of the Splurge, that is, they have found themselves again, unlike THE ONE who still searches.

If the market had been allowed to operate properly, as it has done for hundreds of years, poor people with no income would not have been granted loans at the governments insistence. to blame deregulation is to display a total ignorance of the siutation and the motivations involved. but that describes Liberal pols aned voters quite accurately.

Look for Obama to blame greed and corruption, when instead he should acknowledge that policies he espoused under ACORN are the culprit. Legislation he helped block might have staved off this problem. but the big government handout to chase votes is just too tempting and the only way Liberals get elected anymore.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | September 26, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Chris, only McCain & you thought this "looked like a brilliant political gambit." Despite your attempts to characterize this idiotic stunt as some big challenge to Obama, it was always a one-man blinking contest between McCain & himself. Obama has steadily proceeded as an intelligent, collected adult, moving consistently and reliably. This was all about McCain posturing for the ill-informed and, typically, putting "Campaign First."

Posted by: merelymyopinion | September 26, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse


John McCain is pure comedic gold.


That is. . . he's become a complete joke.


Posted by: Christian_in_NYC | September 26, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

McCAIN: DAZED, CONFUSED, DONE IN BY DAVE AND THE BARRACUDA

In the two days since Wednesday, John McCain lost the election.

His no-show on Letterman, Dave's justified rant, Palin's "Iraq beauty queen" performance with Katie Couric, his self-interested intrusion into the bailout negtiations, and now his humiliating, face-saving retreat on the debate, have sealed his fate.

He is angry and confused and cannot lead. His pick of Palin (if it was his pick) is a disaster.

Ironically, he's given the upper hand to Obama, whose compromising ways could end up with the nation socializing Wall Street. The House conservatives are right on this one, but McCain's injection of presidential politics into the process could give the appeasers the upper hand.

But who will stop to examine the root causes of this financial crisis? How can there be a solution if the root causes of the problem have yet to be uncovered? Consider this:

TARGETING OF U.S. CITIZENS BY GOV'T AGENCIES:
A ROOT CAUSE OF FINANCIAL MELTDOWN?

See: http://members.nowpublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | September 26, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Liberals have an impossible time defending their beliefs, which is why they rely on slogans and catch phrases, unfounded rumors and ad hominem attacks, on those who, like Sara Palin, think clearly and live according to Judeo-Christian principles.

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As St. Theresa of Avila always said, when you seek advice, ask the smart person, not the saintly one.

Who cares if she lives by J-C principles (not that anyone but God would know if that were true)? We need a smart political leader, not a priestess.

Which is why this nation was founded on rational principles of human law, not religious dogma.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 26, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I don't care how McCain performs in the debate -- it will not erase his ineffectual performance this week. He has shown, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he will get the job done just as well as Bush.

... and, didn't he say he "wouldn't debate unless a deal was reached"?

In a word, *unbelievable*.

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http://ilfamilypolitics.blogspot.com

Posted by: J_Kelly | September 26, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

popasmoke said

Yep, that is just what we need. A drunk a druggie and a couple of adulterers

The clinton's are not running


Posted by: tired_of_congress | September 26, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Parts our economy will collapse (are collapsing). That is clear. What is not clear is that it benefits America for taxpayers to dump a lot of money into Wall Street right now. Moreover, putting money back in financiers' pockets after they have already gambled it, won't stop the collapses and won't make them lend it out. There are reasons why banks aren't lending money, and the fact that no one knows how much the mortgage-backed derivatives are worth isn't the only reason. All this bailout does is use taxpayers to put money back in financiers' pockets, on the theory -- this is no joke -- that if they have money they will start lending it to each other.

This is a scam because it's well known that banks have been sitting on cash even when they are starved for liquidity. Banks have not been lending even when those who ask don't have big SIV's in their portfolios (SIV = "structured investment vehicle" full of mortgage backed derivative products).

The Bush-Paulson approach is extremely arrogant. It says: the system will collapse if we don't bail out Wall Street and the system might collapse even if we do bail it out. What they aren't saying is the truth: that the system will collapse whether or not we buy out Wall Street and put them back in the money.

What is troubling is not that a clutch of Republicans in the House are rebelling. What is troubling is that McCain is being called a "spoiler" for the fact that his presence has suddenly cast public light on the fact that Republicans were unhappy with this deal. It was the Democrats who were voting for it; the Democrats are all on board for voting for this scam bailous, but Nancy Pelosi was trying to cover that up and call it a Republican bill with Democrats going along. What is truth is that this bailout bill is a big scam pushed while Bush is pushing the panic button, just like he got the Iraq War resolution passed. Bush is using the impending collapse of parts of the economy to push a big fat bailout for Wall Street that will not avert our housing crash or other problems.

This has been happening for over a year now. For Bush-Paulson bailouts to suddenly assert themselves, declaring we need to bail out Wall Street now, is cynical at best and ripping off the taxpayer at worse.

The crashes will happen with or without the taxpayer falling for predatory scams of Wall Street financiers who come up with sudden, terrifying explanations as to why we need to buy all their bad paper now "or else".

Pelosi et al want to pass this bailout, while calling it a Republican job. House Republicans are rebelling because (1) they don't want this bailout and (2) they don't want it pinned on them.

McCain's presence brought the spotlight onto the scam that was unfolding. Hopefully, the talks will collapse and so will those institutions who should be cleared out when they fail, as any free market society needs to happen from time to time.

I think it's better for the Obama to win this election. Whomever is president next will be presiding over a depression and will be viewed as a failed, one-term loser. It's a no-win situation for McCain.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 26, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

osama an biden,
are the media darlings'
good 'ruck
america

Posted by: USA3 | September 26, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Most political observers could name the policy specialties of three of the figures in this race easily. Palin’s policy “specialties” are energy and cutting wasteful spending. We know McCain’s, national security and reform/pork-busting. We know Joe Biden’s, foreign policy and the judiciary.

What areas of policy does Barack Obama know best? I think if you asked ten Obama supporters you would get ten different answers, with perhaps something related to the judicial system near the top. His backers will say this is because he’s well–rounded; others may put it that he’s a jack of all trades and master of none and his critics may assess, with some credibility, that Obama’s fields of expertise are ‘hope,’ pledges of ‘change,’ race, and himself, the subject of his first two books.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | September 26, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

McCain won the week - it is that simple - a Friday night debate on Foreign Policy is not going to move the numbers very much.


The headlines over the weekend will center on any comments which are made on the economy.


The democrats are EXTREMELY GUILTY on charges of allowing the lobbyists run wild resulting in a lack of Wall Street regulation and enforcement of whatever Wall Street regulations were left.


The Glass-Steagall Act was repealed under Clinton.


Chris Dodd and Barney Frank are very much to blame by going along with the deregulation, taking money from the Wall Street lobbyists and by resisting attempts at fixing the issues a few years ago.


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Posted by: 37thandOStreet | September 26, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

McCain is in Britney meltdown at the moment. Maybe he'll shave his head during the debate tonight or beat Lehrer with an umbrella....

Posted by: MadameSelena | September 26, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Yea yea yea it's easy to see why most of the posters on here love Obama running mouths seem to be the common denominator. McCains campaign isn't dead.

He's going to chew Obama up and spit him out tonight. But the fact that your candidate can't discuss the issues won't sway your ignorance your blind.

You've been running your mouths all week about how his postponement of the debate was the end of the free world when all the man wanted to do was get involved with what's going on.

Now the debate's on and he WILL make small potatoes of Obama tonight, and you'll have a new rant Monday.

Obama cannot debate with McCain on any level period financial, foreign, domestic no topic, and why do you ask is that because he's not experienced enough. If he had enough experience I WOULD VOTE FOR HIM.

I will not cast my vote for him so he can cut his teeth in the whitehouse with our future sorry

Posted by: mthomps71 | September 26, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

The neat thing about a presidential race between two Senators is that voters can make direct comparisons between the candidates that otherwise are not possible. This year, the comparisons work in John McCain's favor.

McCain pushed for the "surge" in Iraq. Obama opposed it, saying it wouldn't work. When it worked, Obama said he knew it would work, but defended his vote anyway.

Two years ago, McCain warned that Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac were in serious need of reform and he so-sponsored legislation to reform it. Obama did not support this legislation, which the Democrats blocked. Obama was near the top of the list of recipients of contributions from Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac, and two executives from these outfits were among his campaign advisors.

McCain also had the right line on the Russian invasion of Georgia (though this was not a legislative issue). As Rudy Giuliani recounted at the Republican Convention, Obama waffled for a while and eventually adopted McCain's view. McCain led; Obama followed

Most recently, McCain figured out that he needed to get back to Washington to engage, and if possible provide leadership in, the momentous issue of the financial sector bailout. While McCain opted to help make something happen, Obama said he could be reached by phone if anything did happen.

Obama's position was untenable, so he eventually followed McCain back to Washington.

Hoping to cover for their "follower" of a presidential candidate, Democrats are claiming that McCain has done more harm than good in the legislative debate. Although this is always a possibility with McCain (and, indeed, just about anyone who is willing to lead), the Democrats' case is absurd.

Their argument is that Congress was on the verge of a deal until McCain entered the picture and caused Republican House members to block it. The problems with this script are several. First, there is no evidence that House Republicans were ever on board with any deal. Second, the support of House Republicans is not needed to pass bailout legislation. The Democrats control the House.

The Democrats counter the second point by saying that a majority of House Dems won't support a deal unless House Republicans provide "cover." But this argument raises more problems than it addresses. First, it is a serious condemnation of House Dems (too gutless to do what they think is right, even in the face of a potential economic meltdown). Second it is a serious condemnation of Nancy Pelosi (too ineffective to whip her troops into line even in the face of a potential economic meltdown). Third, it casts serious doubt on the wisdom of the deal that McCain is falsely accused of scuttling. If the deal made sense, House Dems wouldn't believe they need "cover" from House Republicans.

Fourth, the "cover" argument shows what a non-factor Obama is in all of this. The Dems complain (preposterously) that McCain has riled up House Republicans or failed to bring them around. Meanwhile, no one seems to be asking why Obama hasn't helped the House leadership obtain sufficient support from House Dems.

There's a reason why this question isn't being asked. Obama is lightweight from whom leadership is not, and should not, be expected.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/09/021613.php

Posted by: king_of_zouk | September 26, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Yep, that is just what we need. A drunk a druggie and a couple of adulterers

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So will cry baby empty suit fake Messiah
Barack Hussein Obamabrat throw another of
his cute little terrible two year old temper tantrums during the debate at our
next President John McCain,like Obamabrat
did at the White House on Thursday and
how Obama then help Implode his own idiot
Democrat Leadership Phony Bail Out Plan
as well today? I hope John McCain kicks
Obamabrat stupid butt all over the stage
during the debate! NOBAMA EVER!

Vote For Real Reform McCain/Palin 2008!
Independents for McCain/Palin!

Posted by: sandylong5274 | September 26, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abus
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Yep, that is just what we need. A drunk a druggie and a couple of adulterers

Posted by: popasmoke | September 26, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Liberals have an impossible time defending their beliefs, which is why they rely on slogans and catch phrases, unfounded rumors and ad hominem attacks, on those who, like Sara Palin, think clearly and live according to Judeo-Christian principles.


Bert P.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | September 26, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse
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I don't know, are these the values we really want?


FROM THE FOLKS WHO BROUGHT JOHN EDWARD'S, THEY NOW BRINGS YOU: "TRACK PALIN"
THE COKE HEAD WHO BEAT GOING TO JAIL BY GOING IN THE MILITARY AND HIS WONDERFUL PARENTS WHO RAISED SUCH A FINE FAMILY.


The NATIONAL ENQUIRER’S exclusive ongoing investigation of GOP VP Nom Sarah 'Barracuda' Palin’s goes far beyond a mere teen pregnancy crisis this week!

The Enquirer’s team of reporters has combed the Alaskan wilderness to discover the hidden truth about Gov. Palin’s family, which has become a central part of her political identity.

The ENQUIRER has learned exclusively that Sarah's oldest son, Track, was addicted to the power drug OxyContin for nearly the past two years, snorting it, eating it, smoking it and even injecting it. And as Track, 19, heads to Iraq as part of the U.S. armed forces, Sarah and her husband Todd were powerless to stop his wild antics, detailed in the new issue of The ENQUIRER, which goes on sale today.

THE ENQUIRER also has exclusive details about Track's use of other drugs, including cocaine, and his involvement in a notorious local vandalism incident.

“I’ve partied with him (Track) for years,” a source disclosed. “I’ve seen him snort cocaine, snort and smoke OxyContin, drink booze and smoke weed.”

The source also divulged the girls would do anything for Track and he’d use his local celebrity status to manipulate other guys “to get them to steal things he wanted.”

“He finally did what a lot of troubled kids here do,” the source divulged. “You join the military.”

And as Gov. Palin has billed the state of Alaska for various expenses related to her children, as reported by The Washington Post, The ENQUIRER's investigation reveals that she was so incensed by 17-year-old Bristol's pregnancy that she banished her daughter from the house.

Another family friend revealed pre-prego Bristol was as much of a hard partier as Track was.

“Bristol was a huge stoner and drinker. I’ve seen her smoke pot and get drunk and make out with so many guys. All the guys would brag that the just made out with Bristol.”

When Sarah found out the teen was pregnant by high schooler Levi Johnston, she was actually banished from the house. As part of the cover-up, Palin quickly transferred Bristol to another high school and made her move in with Sarah’s sister Heather 25 miles away!

And the ENQUIRER also learned that Levi Johnston, the baby mamma’s future wedded dada, who was glad handed by John McCain at the GOP Convention, isn’t too happy about his impending shotgun nups either.

“Levi got dragged out of the house to go to Minnesota,” Levi’s friend told The ENQUIRER. “Levi realizes he’s stuck being with Bristol because her mom is running for Vice President.”

The friend also confided that both Bristol and Levi “broke up a few times and they definitely messed around with other people.”

Meanwhile, as members of the Palin family’s war viciously over “Trooper-Gate” and claims of Sarah’s extramarital affair have turned the political race into a chaotic arena of threats, denials and vicious attacks by political black ops, The ENQUIRER has discovered shocking new details about the red-hot affair scandal!

For the full story of the secrets Sarah Palin is trying to hide – pick up the new ENQUIRER!

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SARAH PALIN LOVER REVEALED!

In a world exclusive The NATIONAL ENQUIRER names GOP VP Candidate Sarah Palin's secret lover!

No less than three members of the man’s family including one by sworn affidavit have claimed that Sarah Palin engaged in an extramarital affair with hus band Todd’s former business partner, Brad Hanson.

These sources have named Hanson as Palin’s secret love, and say their affair nearly wrecked both their marriages.

Hanson owned a snowmobile dealership with Palin’s husband Todd, who immediately dissolved the partnership after he heard stories about the affair, which occurred around 1996, according to the sources. At the time, Palin was mayor of Wasilla.

Palin has vehemently de nied cheating on her hus band, and Hanson insisted to The NATIONAL ENQUIRER that he was never romantically in volved with the 44-year-old Republican vice presiden tial candidate.

However, Hanson family insider, Jim Burdett, has gone on the record and passed a rigorous polygraph test, revealing de tails of the affair to The NATIONAL ENQUIRER in a world exclusive interview.

Burdett is a former brother-in-law of Hanson’s estranged wife Carolyn's brother, Craig Batton, and still speaks with many family members.

“I’ve known about Brad having had an affair for a long time, but it wasn’t until just recently that I learned his affair was with Sarah Palin,” Burdett told The NATIONAL ENQUIRER.

“Sarah was elected mayor of Wasilla, Brad became a city council member in the nearby town of Palmer, and they started an affair.

“Todd found out about the affair and was so mad he broke up their partnership at the snowmobile dealership,” Burdett claimed.

Another source, who preferred to remain anonymous for fear of repercussions, provided The NATIONAL ENQUIRER with a sworn affidavit attesting to the Palin-Hanson story.

“Todd was away on business a lot and Sarah felt lonely. Brad was a good listener, and Sarah talked to him at length. Eventually, she real ized she was falling in love with him,” one insider divulged.

“When Todd got back from one of his trips, Sarah told him that she had begun to have feelings for Brad.”

For the full story and exclusive details of the shocking allegations of Sarah Palin’s affair pick up the latest issue of the NATIONAL ENQUIRER!

Posted by: popasmoke | September 26, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

"this is the greatest financial challenge faced by our country since the Depression.

Call me if you need me. It is clear you don't"

Quoted by guess who????

Obama's idea of leadership is going along to get along. He has never gone against the ultra-wacko wing of the communist party. 700 billion splurge. no problem Mon. what does he know about economics anyway - like most liberals - zilch!

Posted by: king_of_zouk | September 26, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

So will cry baby empty suit fake Messiah
Barack Hussein Obamabrat throw another of
his cute little terrible two year old temper tantrums during the debate at our
next President John McCain,like Obamabrat
did at the White House on Thursday and
how Obama then help Implode his own idiot
Democrat Leadership Phony Bail Out Plan
as well today? I hope John McCain kicks
Obamabrat stupid butt all over the stage
during the debate! NOBAMA EVER!

Vote For Real Reform McCain/Palin 2008!
Independents for McCain/Palin!

Posted by: sandylong5274 | September 26, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

McCain is absolutely absurd. He's got it covered though, if he does poorly in the debate he'll blame it on the economic distraction. I have no idea what he's going to do about the Palin problem though.

Posted by: guitar_blue | September 26, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

"On the other hand we have an individual who will rapidly engage and attempt to draw effective solutions from both sides, putting aside personal and party motivations."

Zouk - complete bullcrap, and you know it. Please provide any evidence you have that McCain behaved in the above manner. The best way his behavior can be characterized is that his grandstanding was harmless.

Now we get to see him hightail it back to MS to get hammered by Obama. Face it - McSame's foreign policy expertise and experience is overrated/non-existent, and unless Joe Lieberman is allowed to stand behind him and whisper in his ear, the time wasted on this political stunt rather than prepping is going to be costly.

The bright side of McSame's narcissistic carrying on is that he has an alibi for appearing befuddled.

Posted by: bondjedi | September 26, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

John McCain's campaign in the past week or so has become one of the most bizzare studies in perfidy I have ever seen American politics. I was never in doubt he will participate in today's debate, as he must have been advised that given the public reaction to his knee-jack-I-suspend--my-campaign, bla, bla, bla..., skipping the debate would most definitley have sounded the death knell to his presidential aspirations. Make no mistakes, it is bad enough for him as it is. Republicans knows this. The real problem for John McCain is that Americans are now face bread and butter problems. As a result, otherwise gullible voters who ordinarily would be swayed by the McCain/Republic grandstanding, gung-ho, ready-steady-fire deceitful maneuverings, are now pausing to ask tough questions. McCain must've banked on the old tactics. For sure. But it is clearly not working in this election circle. For a man who has consistently touted honour and country first as his mantra, his behaviour this past week or so has been anything but honourable, or country first. Coupled with the lies, deception and sleaze that have characterised his entire campaign, Pa McCain should be careful that he does not end up, not just losing this election but also losing whatever modicum of respect the American people, nay, the world has for him left. And whether he wants to believe this or not, that respect is eroding fast wit every new stunt he tries to pull off.

Posted by: stevenwagbo | September 26, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

This is great. McCain is claiming that OBAMA was being the partisan politician by supporting the BIPARTISAN plan hammered out by D and R congressional leaders, while he was being a bipartisan leader by sitting silent and saying nothing.

Hillarious

Posted by: nrudy | September 26, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Even if he wins the debate tonight, he's lost. He's done incredible damage to what's left of his campaign. (That, and letting Palin loose this week. I can understand why they've kept her under wraps. Trig is the brains in that family!)

Posted by: MadameSelena | September 26, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Hey Bert I wouldn't sweat it if I were you. They will be grasping for straws this time tomorrow.

I love this campaign and I'm glad the debate will go on tonight. So we can watch Granpa spank the idiot on national television.

Uba bah ub well it all started way back when I was a little boy yadda yadda yadda all about the adversities he's overcome to be the first black nominee yadda yadda yadda the 20 more minutes of his hardships and then maybe three catch phrases about the topic or question presented.

Obama is going to get his clock cleaned tonight. I'll have beer and popcorn on hand for this.

Gonna be a good night. I can't wait to chat with you all on Monday

Posted by: mthomps71 | September 26, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

`Watch Mccain very closely tonight. His speech, facial expressions facial tic's hand gestures and so on. Many people are saying Mccain looks like a very sick man. He is never in public or under any pressure for very long. I believe he is hiding something.

Posted by: popasmoke | September 26, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

A republican and a democrat are both in a badly lit room...tehn the bulb goes out and they are both in total darkness....

The democrat gets up to find a new light bulb...

The republican fumbles in the dark, stubs his toe falls down and hits his head, goes to the light switch and furiously hits the switch over and over.........

The moral of the story is that republicans love to place themselves and others in the dark and do nothing about it


Posted by: AlexP1 | September 26, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

The election is between the Drama Queen and No-drama Obama!

Posted by: bradcpa | September 26, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Is McCain really the gut based decision maker America needs in these challanging times??? Another flip that flopped. I'm really begining to question his mental stability...Country first???? Please explain Mr. McCain.
Even more fearful, The I'm ready for the Presidency, Sarah "Putin flies over Alaska"Palin latest interview disaster is down right scary. Her lack of ability to understand the issues and clearly state her solutions are clear for all to see, no wonder McCain wants to keep her away from questions and the press But I've already heard enough of her answers to decide that she's unfit to serve. And God forbid a hearbeat away from having to lead our country. Can you imagine???

Posted by: bnoz | September 26, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

That was a transparent and embarrassing ploy by McCain. Maybe he'd like to grow up now.

Posted by: traveler7 | September 26, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

John McCaint has suddenly gotten quite concerned about the crisis on Wall Street.

Just more lies....

So much so that he has announced he’s suspending his campaign and rushing back to Washington so he can work with Congress on solving the problem and he wants Obama to do the same which will mean putting off that pesky debate they were supposed to have on Friday.

The situation was so urgent in fact that McCaint called up David Letterman personally to cancel his appearance on his show so he wouldn’t waste any time tackling the problem.

Except that he apparently had time to stick around long enough to film an interview with Katie Couric, to "expalin" the pathetic interview with peeeuuu Palin whereas she fumbles and get confused on such a simple subject....and literally self destructs on CBS.....

So while McCaint was at the West 57th street CBS News Location.....at same point in time he would have been on Letterman.

Needless to say, Dave wasn’t impressed. In fact Dave had some pretty good points to make during the course of the show.

David Letterman was absolutely furious at Senator John McCain for snubbing him and instead making an appearance on a CBS News interview with Katie Couric.

According to Letterman, McCaint personally called him and apologized for bailing out at the last minute.

He said he was suspending his campaign to rush to Washington and help fight America’s biggest economic crisis since the great depression.

Letterman understood the urgency of this issue and said it was ok.

Boy, Was he mad when he knew that McCaint did not actually go to Washington to solve the ‘Crisis’ and fix the ‘Crater’ in the economy?

Letterman stopped his interview with Keith Olbermann midway to show a live TV feed of McCaint getting makeup for his interview with Katie Couric.

Letterman said something is terribly wrong with McCain’s campaign ..and it smells....(peeeuuu Palin anyone)and that he was just playing a political game by saying that he was suspending his campaign.

And when Dave saw McCaint with Couric having makeup applied to his cancer ridden head he yelled out and said: "Hey John, do you need a ride to the airport??????.

He felt this a political gimmick to stop his sliding poll numbers from sliding further. He repeatedly asked the same question - ‘Where is your running mate, Sarah Palin?’.

You do not suspend a campaign a month before elections, you get your second in command to run the show instead.

A total of 10 minutes was used up by Dave Letterman to shred McCain and his publicity stunt into pieces.

View David's Anger @
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjkCrfylq-E

After the Walter Cronkite moment of 1968 now 40 years later for McCaint on David Letterman......I don’t think McCain will be scheduling a follow-up appearance anytime soon.

Thanks Again Dave.... for showing us the truth..yet again......McCaint can't multi-task.....

Its the end of the peeeuuu Palin bubble and McCaints lies.......

"Thanks but no thanks for more of the lies that bridge America to nowhere......"

Posted by: AlexP1 | September 26, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

My heart cannot stand four years of this wild behavior by McCain. Too much drama... Vote for No drama Obama!

Posted by: bradcpa | September 26, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I wonder is his suit holds its shape when he steps out of it?

Posted by: StarsAndStripesForever | September 26, 2008 11:37 AM |

Give me a break, SASF. Have you heard Palin speak? She is so clearly clueless about every serious issue, foreign or domestic, it is mind-blowing! You obviously don't like Obama, but you have to admit that he is no dope. He didn't skate through an ivy league education getting "gentleman C's" like your hero W did. He excelled and eventually became a constitutional law professor. I don't know of too many law professors who are stupid.

Posted by: NMModerate1 | September 26, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Let me see if I've got this right...the Senator from Arizona suspended his campaign and went to Washington to try to broker a deal. I know the good Senator is not much for modern technology, but couldn't he pick up a phone? Last I looked, it is possible to communicate without being in the same room with the other person.

McCain in Washington...no deal yet...nicely done Senator.

Posted by: KansasDem | September 26, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Liberals have an impossible time defending their beliefs, which is why they rely on slogans and catch phrases, unfounded rumors and ad hominem attacks, on those who, like Sara Palin, think clearly and live according to Judeo-Christian principles.

The brains and values of left-wingers have decomposed to the point where they actually believe Keith Olbermann, Rosie O’Donnell and Chris Matthews make sense and that people like Whoopi Goldberg, Al Franken and Bill Maher, are funny. That is why I say that liberalism is an addiction -- and why, as with other addictions, I’d like to see it kicked. Kicked good and hard.


Bert P.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | September 26, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

McCains Plane Crashes And Burns On Way To Debate, But McCain Bails-Out But Palin Don't Make it. Joe Lieberman Vetted For New VP?

Posted by: hankomatic1 | September 26, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Ok, so the debate is back on now. The next question is, can McCain possibly do anything to explain his ridiculous behavior? Is he trying to confuse the enemy or what? We don't need another President that the world doesn't respect.

Posted by: batty1 | September 26, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

What color is the sky in McCain's world?

Posted by: lboggs1 | September 26, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Is McCain purposefully trying to throw the election? What bizarre, moronic behavior this week.

Meanwhile, Obama looked like the bipartisan leader that McCain was desperately trying to get credit for. First, Obama laid out the core principles he would fight for. Then he cleared the decks of party ideology by taking the bankruptcy/mortgage protection off the table, saying, "What we shouldn't do is to try to get everything done in this package."

The man is going to be a great president.

Posted by: PDiddy | September 26, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Ah. So sitting with a thumb up one's posterior while the rest of the grown ups talk over your head is "leadership"? I get it! Nice job, Johnny - thanks for showing up!

Posted by: djackson1 | September 26, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

[QUOTE]
Barack Obama's priority was political posturing in his opening monologue defending the package as it stands. John McCain listened to all sides so he could help focus the debate on finding a bipartisan resolution
[/QUOTE]

What a crock. EVERY source of info from that meeting said that McCain contributed nothing to that meeting. "Help focus the debate"... well he failed, because AFTER McCain's photo-op grandstand play, the sides were FURTHER apart than before.

With full-of-bullsh*t leaders like this who needs enemas?

Posted by: egc52556 | September 26, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Ooooh. king_of_zouk got an epiphany! Ummm... that means a moment of clarity, king. Country first my behind! Old man Johnny Mack has decided that this is his last chance at the big chair and he will do anything to win. So what's next? Wrestling a bear on FoxNews???

Posted by: repubsux | September 26, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

This guy's a clown, man. Who is he kidding?

Posted by: colbyhamilton | September 26, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Stunt didn't work, huh?

I wonder what excuse the campaign will think of next so that Palin doesn't have to debate Biden.

Posted by: KansasDem | September 26, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Gee, I guess McSame didn't like the idea of the debate going on without him and it becoming a town hall discussion with just Obama.

What a week of comedy featuring the bologna from Arizony.

Posted by: binkynh | September 26, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

I'm with halifax1 on and his response. I really want to hear what Obama has to say. Senator McCain has been in office for over twenty years and has been for deregulation for a long time. He was part of the problem. Enough of these side show acts. I want to hear real words and tough answers to tough questions. Obama/McCain & Palin/Biden. Some of my family think this will be better than Boxing on Wild World of Sports.

Posted by: LdMay6 | September 26, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Anyone want to keep track of how many positions Grandpa Simpson took on the debate in the last 24 hours? Now, "progress" (undefined) is good enough. I guess he realized that his little stunt had backfired, although I guess it did divert attention from Sarah "Wha?" Palin's performance with the hard-hitting Katie Couric.

Posted by: mdean3 | September 26, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

He was going to be there all along. This was just a stunt. We can see through the smoke.

Posted by: aprilvg | September 26, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

What the hell is going on with McCain these days? He really needs to switch to decaf. This is getting unsettling. During the last three days of the campaign McCain has "suspended" his campaign and "canceled" the debate, all the while campaigning and preparing for the debate. He has announced his support for the bailout, but that was before he was against it, and before he was for it . . . What's next? Will he announce tonight, like Al Haig, that he is in charge, pending the outcome of the November elections? Or will he seek to "postpone" or "suspend" those too?

Posted by: osullivanc1 | September 26, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Why does McCain use Senator Graham so much? He is not only possessed of the typical southern B.S., he is gay.

Posted by: ravitchn | September 26, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Of course he has to enter the debate. There should be at the very least a forum about how each candidate views the current crisis and the long term effects that will ensue during their respective administration (if elected).

McCain polarized the situation by inserting himself in talks about economic and banking issues about which he admittedly is not expert in and so far he has had nothing to contribute.

The idea that these candidates can “suspend” their campaigns 40 days before the election is moronic. We need to judge how they think under pressure and formulate a plan for our nation''s future.

McCain has slowed down, frustrated and aggravated this dire problem by putting his ego and misplaced sense of duty above the needs of our country. If that was not his intent, than he lacked good judgement.

Obama’s assessment of how presidential politics could be divisive was correct, as was his request that he and McCain issue a joint statement agreeing to be supportive of a bipartisan solution. He is also correct in wanting the debate to go forward. Although he may not have come up with an instant solution ( who has?), at least he showed a reasoned sense of responsiblity and did not grand stand at the expense of making things more complex than they already are.


Posted by: maddymappo | September 26, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Well it is about time. McCain went through all of his theatrics for what reason??

Posted by: info40 | September 26, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

McCain's word is worthless at this point. He really reminds me more of my seven year old drama queen daughter than a responsible politician.

He never suspended his campaign, he's had no real input on the bailout, in fact he hasn't even really taken a stand. But he has gotten lots of camera time, which seems to be what matters to him.

Posted by: cvm1 | September 26, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I hope that Dodd, Frank, Pelosi, and Reid step up to the microphones at about 1:00 and say that "negotiations have fallen apart" and that there is no agreement.

Then we will see if the biggest fraud in America -- John McCain -- still has the guts to skip the debate.

This guy played the ultimate political card by blowing up the negotiations yesterday.... I hope the Democrats blow it right back at him.

Posted by: Jaxxon | September 26, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Guess the stunt didn't work too well, eh Johnny Mack?!?

Posted by: repubsux | September 26, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

What a crock. There were signs of an agreement before he landed in Washington yesterday, too. His presence did nothing but aggravate the situation. And now, he absolutely has to do the debate because the public is demanding it. That little showboating of his made him look like a fool.

Posted by: DogBitez | September 26, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

I now see the different presidencies in full clarity.

On the one hand we have the junior pol who is busy with speeches and performances and will be glad to be avaialble by phone if needed, even if it is the "biggest issue since the Depression". He will simply go along with whatever ninny Harry and feckless Nancy decide.

On the other hand we have an individual who will rapidly engage and attempt to draw effective solutions from both sides, putting aside personal and party motivations.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | September 26, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

The only reason Obama is so upset about the possibility of participating in a debate with himself is because the teleprompter only has 30 minutes of material prepared. Axelrod doesn't have a whole 90 minutes to tell him what to say.

What will he say the rest of the time?
uhh uhh .. aabbbb, ahh duh...

I wonder is his suit holds its shape when he steps out of it?

Posted by: StarsAndStripesForever | September 26, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the publicity stunt. Meanwhile, the markets are in turmoil.

Posted by: SarahBB | September 26, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Get ready for a spanky, Johnnie boy.....

Posted by: seakeys | September 26, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, who cares whether he shows up or not? I've seen enough (and had enough) of this drama queen to last me a lifetime, let alone four years.

Posted by: halifax1 | September 26, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

So he's gone from I won't be there unless there's an agreement to I'll be there because he's "optimistic that there has been 'significant' 'progress' 'toward' a bipartisan 'agreement' now that there is a 'framework'". Whoa, slow down there, Senator Hero. Let's see if we can slip a few more undefined terms into that sentence.

Posted by: cao091402 | September 26, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

RCP.com has listed West Virginia and Missouri as tossup states.

If those states are tossup states, then McCain is in DEEP trouble.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 26, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

McCain blinked! Bwahahahahahahaha!

No drama, Obama!

So after all the theatrics, nothing has changed.

Posted by: ovwong | September 26, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

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