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GOP Debate Preview: Fred Takes the Stage

This afternoon's Republican debate in Dearborn, Mich., is likely to be dominated by the one new face on stage -- Fred Thompson.

Fred Thompson
What kind of welcome are the other GOP candidates planning today for newcomer Fred Thompson? (AP Photo)

Thompson, the actor-turned-politician-turned-
actor-turned-politician, has a unique chance today to reframe what to date has been a campaign most noticeable for its missteps and miscalculations. (If you haven't seen it, make sure to watch Saturday Night Live's take on the Thompson candidacy.)

The Thompson campaign -- rightly -- argues that while the Washington's political insiders have clearly soured on his candidacy, it has yet to effect Thompson's standing in either state or national polling. In fact, a Des Moines Register survey released over the weekend showed Thompson running second with 18 percent to Mitt Romney.

But if Thompson continues to be pilloried by the chattering classes, it could have a negative effect on his chances in early voting states. Donors pay attention to what pundits are saying and are likely to be reluctant to sign on with a candidate whose political fortunes appear to be on the wane. Without the money to fund organizations in places like Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Florida and Michigan, Thompson could struggle to turn voters' initial interest in him into actual votes.

While Thompson is almost certain to be the big story coming out of the debate, make sure to watch the interaction between Rudy Giuliani and Romney.

Remember that this debate, which airs live on CNBC at 4 p.m. and is rebroadcast at 9 p.m. ET on MSNBC, is focused on economic issues. And what have Romney and Giuliani been feuding about relentlessly for the past week? What else -- who's the more fiscally conservative candidate.

Expect Romney to push Giuliani on tax-and-spending issues as the former governor seeks to turn the race into a two-person affair -- cutting Thompson right out. Giuliani has largely avoided engaging directly with Romney on any issue but is -- how shall we say it -- feisty by nature and may not be able to help himself if he finds himself under attack.

One other point: Keep an eye on John McCain. When the candidates last gathered (sans Thompson) McCain was the standout star of the debate, a showing that led to a series of stories about how the Arizona senator was making something of a comeback.

McCain has long championed his opposition to pork barrel spending and will certainly work to make his voice heard in today's debate about economic issues. It will also be fascinating to watch whether McCain takes on Romney as he did in the last debate. If so, Giuliani will likely leave the debate a happy man.

We'll be liveblogging the event starting at 4 p.m. ET here at The Fix.

By Chris Cillizza  |  October 9, 2007; 1:17 PM ET
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Post debate speach from the winner...

2000 to 2500 people

Peace and Liberty,

Posted by: Randy | October 10, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

My recommendation for Senator Thompson Exit stage left.

Posted by: John Grassam | October 9, 2007 11:49 PM | Report abuse

guiliani and romney are CFR puppets... RON PAUL 2008 RESTORE THE REPUBLIC!!!

Posted by: Brian | October 9, 2007 6:13 PM | Report abuse

The sixth Republican debate kicked off Tuesday in Dearborn, Mich., with nine GOP presidential hopefuls taking the stage.

Who do you think won the Dearborn, Michigan MSNBC News Republican debate?


Posted by: PollM | October 9, 2007 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Ron Paul is being dissed from this debate. He is getting no speaking time compared to the other candidates. It's pathetic. He spoke the truth when he accused the other candidates of spreading "government propoganda" in their obvious support for this frightening and seemingly inevitable war with Iran.

Posted by: Kelly O | October 9, 2007 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Reason -- Romney does win, but Rudy's just getting his flip-flops started.

NRA -- He sued it in the past and referred to it as a "fringe" organization. Now he's giving speeches in front of the group and trying to talk about their "common ground." Tough to understand how the guy fought for some of the toughest gun laws in the country but now argues that the DC Circuit was right to strike down the District's gun laws on second amendment grounds.

Abortion -- It's not only Judges that he's flipped on. He used to support not only the legality of partial-birth abortions, but also federal funding of abortion. Now, he's against both and -- again -- will appoint judges that will reverse Roe. Even though he still says Roe is correct. Hmmm, that's a tough one to understand.

NB -- If his position had always been one of federalism, i.e. just let every individual state decide, that would be consistent. That wasn't his position back in the day.

Posted by: Colin | October 9, 2007 5:03 PM | Report abuse

McCain? Please. The best he could ever hope for is to do well among the 28% who don't want the troops home right now.

McCain was someone to note in 2000. Now he's a tired old fool with a fetish for uniforms who made the colossal and disqualifying mistake of hitching his star to Bush's war.

Posted by: Chris Fox | October 9, 2007 5:03 PM | Report abuse

'such miniature little spiteful minds you Libs have. Like anyone cares what a bunch of moonbats think about the opposition.. It is the Lib way. too bad about YOUR candidate though, crooked as they come and polling-based leadership.'

Spiteful? I guess that would describe your little diatribe, zouk. You are sorely lacking in irony and long on projection.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 9, 2007 5:01 PM | Report abuse

reason writes
"I think McCain is looking better every day."

It will be interesting to see if he can maintain the surge tonight. Thus far, Chris has not mentioned McCain's performance in the debate.

Posted by: bsimon | October 9, 2007 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Give me a guy who "flip-flops" when presented with new evidence or a sound argument over a guy too stubborn and insecure to reverse himself ANY day.

The funny thing about Romney's and Giuliani's "flip-flopping" is that they do it to appeal to a shrinking minority of nasty eggbound people, not any decisively large part of the electorate.

We've see the religious right in action now, and they are repellant people.

Posted by: Chris Fox | October 9, 2007 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Romney definately has the field beaten when you are comparing flip-flops. He's flipped on almost every issue in the book. Guiliani's only major flip flop's are on court appointees. That's over the major issues of abortion and gay rights, of course. But he's been pretty steady. Against a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, but supportive of states rights on the issue. That's a pretty conservative position without a flip flop. Guiliani says he supports a woman's right to choose, there is no flip flop there. Romney has flip flopped on all these issues. Conservatives disagree w/ Guiliani on these issues, but at least he's pretty consistent. Romney on the other hand likes to try and tickle ears for votes. F. Thompson is also a flip flopper. McCain is a consistent leader. Now that the campaign is really engaging, I think McCain is looking better every day.

Posted by: reason | October 9, 2007 4:27 PM | Report abuse

hey "moonbats R us" please name one (1) idea any of these dwarves has to offer.

"Strong defense and strong families," oh man please I can't handle all the details.

Posted by: Chris Fox | October 9, 2007 4:23 PM | Report abuse

The clear winner will be Ron Paul. The news won't talk about it because he is the only one that is not bought and paid for. He will probably win the polls too yet you will only read about all the puppets that will end up loosing to Hillary anyway.

Posted by: John | October 9, 2007 4:10 PM | Report abuse

such miniature little spiteful minds you Libs have. Like anyone cares what a bunch of moonbats think about the opposition. Let me guess - Rs are evil. Repeat ad infinitum. Offer nothing as an alternative. If any substantial policy ideas arise, go after personalities and private lives. It is the Lib way. too bad about YOUR candidate though, crooked as they come and polling-based leadership.

"What color pant-suit shall I wear today? James - get me the latest poll. and find out my position on the war too."

Posted by: moonbats R us | October 9, 2007 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Thompson, who left the Senate to become a high-paid Washington lobbyist for any client whose money was green enough has now become the Republican who will change how Washington works?

Posted by: Sal | October 9, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

it is so funny to watch the republicans in their desparate attempts to win the hearts of mind of america's soul. it is speaking loud and clear that it is distrustful of the current administration with all the scandals, the threats of more war, the illogic of the present mess in iraq and the lackluster roster of candidates they are parading in front of us. it is rather sickening to watch romney and guiliani cater to the religious right as if they yet have some pull with the voters this time. religion is not the driving force and neither are homesexuals and abortion. independents know this is what got us where we are today and they won't be fooled a third time. the religious right has been betrayed by the hypocrisy of the republicans and if the conservatives want to push these issues, i think the public's response will be "so damn what!" limbaugh and the other pundits are pushing and digging and mining to the depths of their depraved minds to find something to smear clinton as they are deathly afraid that she may overcome her "unlikability" with voters. it will take another 9-11 or another compromised election for them to derail her locomotive.

Posted by: glenknowles | October 9, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

On the subject of the GOP, NPR had a little info this AM on the growing Romney v Giuliani fight. Both want to win the mantle of 'fiscal conservative', NPR was talking a bit about trade & globalization. I don't recall Romney's words, but they had a Giuliani excerpt where he said "in a Rudy administration, more imports are viewed as a good thing - as they keep prices down for consumers. What we'll do to maintain our own economy is start selling more stuff to India and China." (I paraphrase).

Look for this talking point to make an appearance tonight. Here's the question: will it sell to GOP primary voters? Will anyone push him on how he'll boost productivity in order to boost sales overseas? Will he try to maintain a weak dollar in order to facilitate overseas market growth for US manufacturers?

Posted by: bsimon | October 9, 2007 3:46 PM | Report abuse

CHRISTIAN "media watchdog group" The Resistance is all worked up over the ultra-femme anchors of Fox News. The group's leader, Mark Dice, rants in an e-mail, "I see shorter skirts on the women of Fox News than I do on the prostitutes being arrested on cop shows." Fox responded, "We're always flattered to have everyone talking about us in one form or another."

fox -- it's all about the family values.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 9, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I should also point out that Gore continues to lead the polls here in Seattle, with Obama far in the lead if Gore decides not to run.

Unlike the cherry kool-aid MSM choice of Sen. Clinton.

Please note I was in Bethesda MD this past Saturday and noticed that as many people were wearing Obama stickers as Clinton stickers at the Bite of Bethesda. Great food - wish I could have stayed longer, but at least I got to use your metro.

Posted by: Will in Seattle | October 9, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Gunfire from a private security convoy killed two Iraqi women driving through Baghdad on Tuesday, Interior Ministry sources told CNN.

One of the officials said the firm involved was an "American private security company."

Brig. Gen Abdul Karim Khalaf, Interior Ministry spokesman, saidTuesday's incident occurred around 2:45 p.m.
Khalaf said the two women killed were Christians. He told CNN that 19 bullets hit their vehicle.

The other official said the women were in an Oldsmobile. Both sources said the security detail consisted of four white 4x4 vehicles'

Americans killing two women in cold blood. I'm sure the Iraqis are thrilled about this.

Posted by: hearts and minds | October 9, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Color America unimpressed.

Posted by: Will in Seattle | October 9, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: RAS1142 | October 9, 2007 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Stranded on top of your flooded house?

You'r on your own.

Can't afford healhcare for your kids?

You're on your own.

Job market gone south?

You're on your own.

The republican agenda

Posted by: the YOYO party | October 9, 2007 3:28 PM | Report abuse

About Ron Paul: by far and away the best of the Republican candidates. He wants us out of Iraq, he's not on board with the social conservatives.

Only one problem with Paul, and it's best illustrated by his quote about regulators:

"These little men filled with envy are capable of producing nothing and are motivated by their own inadequacies and desires to wield authority against men of talent."

In other words, another loony who believes that MONEY CAN THINK.

I'll take Romney's body stocking and interplanetary afterlife before I'll take another four years of this free market crap.

Posted by: Chris Fox | October 9, 2007 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Greg in LA, I think Ron will have the best performance and no one will talk about it, yet again.

Posted by: Jackson Walters | October 9, 2007 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Remember when it was the Democrat who was the boring and gaffe-prone candidate?

I mean, look! Everyone is talking about RUDY GIULIANI as the most likely nominee!


Rudy whose only claim to fame is doing his job after the "terrorist attack." And not doing anything like a stellar job either.


Posted by: Chris Fox | October 9, 2007 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Any assessment that Fred is a Dud is right on the money. He offers NOTHING.

And he's running on NOTHING as a platform as reported 07 Sept in WaPo:


"...vowing to compete aggressively .... pitching steady, experienced and conservative leadership..."

Translation: I have no new ideas, folks. Status quo. SSDD. Health care? Red ink? Is there a problem?

"I still have the same common-sense conservative beliefs I did when I ran in 1994"

Translation: Haven't learned a thing since 1994, but did get an arm-candy wife.

"The preseason is over," he declared. "Let's get on with it."

Translation: Gee, I'm an arrogant old tird. My constipated old butt just got off the crapper, who was that guy in there tapping on my shoe, we can start the campaign now, is anyone else running for this thing?

"....he pledged fidelity to a series of conservative principles -- limited government, an aggressive foreign policy, lower taxes -- and promised a commitment to securing the borders and appointing conservative judges."

Translation: I have no ideas, no clue, I'm as brain-dead as Bush. HaHaHa. Guess what America, You're On Your Own (YOYO).

So there it is, the NOTHING platform of Fred Thompson, annointed by some as the best choice in the GOP field. Good grief.

Dud. Dud. Dud.

Posted by: 809212876 | October 9, 2007 3:17 PM | Report abuse

It seems that last week, the House of Representatives passed on of those meaningless resolutions that congress is inclined to pass every so often -- this time one in recognition of Ramadan. Inoffensive, right? Well, hundreds of members of congress thought so, but 41 Republicans and 1 Democrat decided register their protest by voting "present." Rep Tim Walberg argued:

'To offer respect for a major religion is one thing, but to offer respect for a major religion that has been behind the Islamic jihad, the radical jihad, that has sworn war upon the United States, its free allies and freedom in Iraq, is another thing'.

And I'm sure the people of Iraq really appreciate Rep. Walberg's thinking on this subject. No doubt the view that Islam is the enemy in Iraq is going to win us a ton of popular support. Oh well.

Posted by: the idiocy knows no bounds | October 9, 2007 3:13 PM | Report abuse

'What actually says a lot, proudtobeGOP, is that when the topic at hand is this evening's GOP debate, you STILL choose to criticize Dem's instead.'

Notice? That's all the wingers do. Attack, slime, smear. Rinse, repeat.

Posted by: Don | October 9, 2007 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Please use a different picture of Fred. His dentures are giving me nightmares.

Posted by: SWEET-ROTTEN | October 9, 2007 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Why the gop are hypocrite fascists and "liberals" are patriots. party over country is treason.

"With Democrats like Congressman Dan Lipinski, the Republicans don't even need to run a candidate.

There are some Democrats - Bush Democrats - who claim to represent us, but vote with Republicans on too many issues that matter.

Send a message to Congress: You're on notice. Regardless of political party, when Congress won't represent the will of the American people, then DFA members will fight to replace them with someone who will.

This is one bright blue Democratic district where we can make a change; Mark Pera is the progressive in the primary. Support Mark with a contribution of $15 right now:

Congressman Lipinski is out of touch with his district. He can't stop himself from voting with the Bush party line to prevent life-saving stem cell research or give oil companies even higher profits. He's even voted five times to keep funding Bush's war and supports keeping troops in Iraq beyond 2010.

Posted by: rufus | October 9, 2007 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I believe most of the D candidates pledged not to campaign in any state not adhering to the party rules for the established order for the state caucus/ least before February 5.

What good is a "pledge" if you throw it aside when the chips are down. I don't blame the candidates, I blame the state D party leaders who know the rules but decided to go their own way.

The genius here is the GOP pushing the dates forward.... they knew the pitfall of the pledges would throw things in the D party into a turmoil. Rove behind-the-scenes strategy?

Posted by: Truth Hunter | October 9, 2007 2:54 PM | Report abuse

It's all about Fred. I'm feeling that it'll be tough for him. Plenty of gaffes.

Posted by: matt | October 9, 2007 2:54 PM | Report abuse

What actually says a lot, proudtobeGOP, is that when the topic at hand is this evening's GOP debate, you STILL choose to criticize Dem's instead.

Have you no opinion on Chris's observations about the significance of tonight's debate? Or is the Dem primary in Michigan that much more compelling?

Posted by: bsimon | October 9, 2007 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I would love it if Thompson would lash out at Ron Paul this time around, but I think McCain is next in line. So watch for McCain exploding and making a fool of himself in the process. Ron Paul wins again.

Posted by: brody | October 9, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

blarg, The fact remains that your D Senator Levin and Democratic Party activist Debbie Dingell have been trying for years to break the dominance that Iowa and New Hampshire have in selecting presidential candidates, arguing that those two states aren't particularly representative of the nation's vast racial, ethnic and economic diversity.

I hope this gets some attention tonight in Dearborn.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | October 9, 2007 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Fred Thompson has helping him with his campaign not only Macaca Allen, but Cheney's daughter and Cheney's right hand gal... "Mary, Mary quite contary" Matalin.

So.... if you loved the Darth Vader hand of Cheney on the Bush presidency, you'll love Fred too.

The question is.... how much clout does Cheney still have in the GOP party? Enough to draw doners to Fred? Enough to give him the first-class spin operation he'll need to convince voters he's something he's not?

The debate today is the first real step in the making of the next Cheney presidency. We'll soon find out if his Freddie is ready....

Posted by: Truth Hunter | October 9, 2007 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Ron Paul is the only TRUE republican of the bunch. He is for personal liberty and freedoms and believes in a SMALLER government.

Posted by: Time4Change | October 9, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

'No Sam, not a scandle for Giuliani. Now he's sure to win. Just look how well bad press works for Hillary.

Posted by: Go GOP '

the stupid, how it burns

Posted by: Anonymous | October 9, 2007 2:39 PM | Report abuse

What a really pathetic attempt to smear, proud2bslimy. You sink lower all the time. You kind of omitted the core fact of the story in order to spin and decieve:

'Michigan Democrats were under pressure from the national party to disavow the state's recent move to push the primary ahead of both the Iowa caucuses and the New Hampshire primary in violation of party rules.'

They violated the rules. Of course, that's what your party think 'rules' and 'laws' are for.

Posted by: Don | October 9, 2007 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I would also have to say that the Economic guru, Ron Paul, will dominate this debate. If he wants to gain points and recognition this is his time to shine.

Posted by: luke | October 9, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Proud, Michigan broke the rules of the DNC by scheduling their primary too early. These are rules that Michigan's Democratic party had previously agreed to. Therefore, Michigan's primary delegates don't count.

If the Democratic voters of Michigan want their voices to count, they should protest to their state party and move the primary back past the deadline. Otherwise, they're breaking the rules, and being punished for it. Do you believe that Michigan Democrats should be rewarded for breaking the rules?

Your fake outrage is both transparent and ridiculous.

Posted by: Blarg | October 9, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

'House Republicans say there is a growing list of reasons to call for congressional career quits, from tighter travel restrictions to lobby-reform requirements and the likelihood of continuing minority status.

Yet only nine members of the GOP caucus have so far announced retirements. If you were a House Republican, would you run for reelection?

Rep. Ray LaHood (R-Ill.), 61, one of those who announced he's packing it in, said that the Democrats' new five-day workweek made traveling back home that much more difficult.'

boohoohoo, the mean old dems made me work for my salary--so i'm cutting and running.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 9, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I suspect Ron Paul will have the best performance today and no one will talk about it.

Posted by: Greg in LA | October 9, 2007 2:32 PM | Report abuse

No Sam, not a scandle for Giuliani. Now he's sure to win. Just look how well bad press works for Hillary.

Posted by: Go GOP | October 9, 2007 2:29 PM | Report abuse

BREAKING: Democrats demand Michigan voters not vote for them!!! Four of the leading Democratic presidential nominees have removed their names from the Jan. 15 Michigan presidential primary.

Tue Oct 09, 2007 at 02:20:30 PM EST

That's more than a refusal to campaign. More than signing a pledge promising not to step foot in the state.

Today Barack Obama, John Edwards, Joe Biden and Bill Richardson asked the Secretary of State to take their names off the ballot in Michigan. Michgan, they don't want your vote. Period. And they've gone to the state's top elections official to ensure you don't have the right to cast it for them.

"It's a huge mistake for those candidates and the Democratic Party," said David Dulio, a political scientist at Oakland University.

"I think they could pay a price down the road in the general election. In a state like Michigan that is just struggling and the hardest-hit with job losses and the economy in the entire country, for them not to come and listen to the concerns of Michigan voters, when the Republicans are -- what does that say to the electorate?"

It says a lot, Mr. Dulio. It says a lot.

You've got a party inside the state whose leaders just forced a $1.35 billion tax hike on the backs of struggling moms and dads across Michigan while we struggle with a nation's worst 7.4% unemployment rate and skyrocketing foreclosure and poverty rates. Then there's that whole threat of a strike from the UAW looming over their heads too.

Now that party's national leaders are removing their names from the ballot. Yeah. It says a lot.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | October 9, 2007 2:29 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a red herring. He may have various things to say about pork and Vietnam, but as soon as the subject turns to Iraq, and it will, he is a sure-fire loser. He would probably LOVE to be against the war and bring the soldiers home tomorrow, but his stupid party would never forgive him for that, so he caves in to them. He has nothing to offer. Forget him.

Posted by: wardropper | October 9, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

I haven't read all the posts, but in case it hasn't been pointed out already, it is really more accurate to call Fred Thompson a politician-turned actor-turned politician-turned actor-turned politician.

Posted by: Sean Wright | October 9, 2007 2:26 PM | Report abuse

And this is telling...

'Waggoner is an unlikely antagonist for the Republican front-runner. The founder of the Sterling Chemical Company, Waggoner -- now in his late 70s and retired -- has long been a major player in Texas Republican circles and gave tens of thousands of dollars to the campaigns for governor of now-President George W. Bush and the current governor, Rick Perry.

In 2000, he wrote a $250,000 check to the Republican National Committee. But he hasn't contributed to any 2008 presidential campaigns. '

Posted by: Anonymous | October 9, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

'The Waggoner lawsuit is the latest messy allegation to hit Giuliani's private businesses, which include the law firm and his consulting firm, Giuliani Partners, located five blocks from each other in Midtown Manhattan.

His former police commissioner, Bernard Kerik, left the consulting firm after his nomination to head the Department of Homeland Security collapsed amid questions about his personal ethics. Kerik was convicted and fined in 2006 for illegally accepting gifts and failing to report a personal loan while running the police department.

Giuliani and his firm have also faced protests for employing a Giuliani childhood friend and Catholic priest, Alan Placa, who was barred from priestly duties after being accused of molesting boys.'

then there was that staffer who was arrested for selling cocaine..

Posted by: Anonymous | October 9, 2007 2:20 PM | Report abuse

'A prominent Texas Republican has sued Rudy Giuliani's law firm and a close friend and partner of Giuliani's, Kenneth Caruso, alleging that Caruso, the firm and others "schemed and conspired to steal $10 million."

J. Virgil Waggoner, a Houston businessman and philanthropist, filed the previously unreported suit in New York State Supreme Court in Manhattan in July. He alleges that Caruso, his former lawyer, conspired with Waggoner's investment adviser to cover up the disappearance of $10 million Waggoner invested through a Caribbean bank, the British Trade & Commerce Bank.

Waggoner claims Caruso "may have also been romantically involved" with the investment adviser.'

Wonder if this will get much coverage?

Posted by: Sam | October 9, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

'When Justice Department lawyers and analysts found in 2005 that a Georgia law requiring voters to have photo ID would disproportionately discriminate against African-Americans, they were overruled by John Tanner, the chief of the Civil Rights Divisions' voting rights section. The law was subsequently halted by a federal appeals judge, who compared it to a Jim Crow-era poll tax.

This past weekend, Tanner showcased his own analytical skills, telling an audience that voter ID requirements actually disproportionately affect whites.

Tanner explained that "primarily elderly persons" are the ones affected by such laws, but "minorities don't become elderly the way white people do: They die first." So anything that "disproportionately impacts the elderly, has the opposite impact on minorities," he added. "Just the math is such as that." Video of Tanner's remarks were posted yesterday by The Brad Blog. We've supplied a transcript below.'

Posted by: the things they say | October 9, 2007 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I still hope for Rudy for POTUS With Fred as VP. It is not as daft as you think.
The UK has had Blair and Brown for two and a half terms and if these two control freaks can be elected then anything is possible The fallout from these years is about to happen. The solids are about to hit the fan.

Posted by: Big T from Drumnadee | October 9, 2007 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I don't know how Fred Thompson's naming of former Virginia Sen. George Allen as one his three campaign co-chairs can be seen as anything other than a nod and a wink to a certain brand of racially-charged Republican voters.

As for Allen, he's apparently focused on another run for Virginia governor--and on escaping the shadow of his macaca comment:

"I'm trying to help out candidates in Virginia," [Allen] said, mentioning GOP House member Dave Nutter in the New River Valley and "a fella named Omarh Rajah running for the school board in Chesterfield. We've got some really good folks running."

A fella named Omarh Rajah. Does it make me a cynic if I think Allen didn't slip that name in there by accident?


Posted by: David | October 9, 2007 2:07 PM | Report abuse

I hope Mitt and Rudy really go for it-- can't wait for the rhetoric.

I don't know how they can beat Rudy's idea that he'll pay for tax cuts with tax cuts, but I'm sure they'll try.

Posted by: drindl | October 9, 2007 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I think aleks has a point. Rudy had another mistress [at least one] at the time he met Judi, so he started cheating on the mistress as well as his wife.

Posted by: Cassandra | October 9, 2007 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Fred thompson is a non-event. He still thinks we're at war with the dissolved USSR, for pete's sake. :)

He has zero chance at winning. The fact that his poll numbers are so high is a testement to how out of touch the gop really is. Who thinks independants will vote for him? Who thinks anyone NOT living in the south will vote for him. I hope he win's the nom. the election will be cake.

Posted by: ruus | October 9, 2007 1:57 PM | Report abuse

'feisty by nature'

very charitable way to put it, CC...

Posted by: Sam | October 9, 2007 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Who says he's not cheating on his current wife? After all, he continued cheating with her from 9/11 up until the divorce from #2. And if he tries to run on low carbs Huckabee will kick his ass for the Lightweight Championship (the Jared Belt).

Posted by: aleks | October 9, 2007 1:44 PM | Report abuse

It wasn't a long wait for that "next." 9/11 taught Giuliani that he should be nicer to his next wife, though not the one he had at the time.

Posted by: aleks | October 9, 2007 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't a more logical competition for Romney and Rudy focus on who has flip-flopped more? I know Romney probably has an advantage in that department right now, but just give Rudy some more time. As we all know, 9/11 changed EVERYTHING for Rudy. Heck, he's even stopped cheating on his wives since then. THAT is a big change. Plus, according to a very "informative" article I read the other day, he's apparently doing the low carb thing now too. That really made me want to support him...

Posted by: Colin | October 9, 2007 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Dan Bartlett said Thompson is a "dud" as a candidate. Perhaps he can turn things around with these debates, but I doubt it. The great thing for us Democrats is that Rudy is the Republican front-runner, so wingnuts like Dobson have nowhere to turn and are making noise about running a third-party candidate.

Republicans are so terrified of losing the presidency that they are willing to nominate a pro-choice, pro-gay-rights moderate like Rudy. They think he can win the independent voters. But just wait until voters see how much of a flip-flopper he is. It's so pathetic when he says that 9/11 caused him to change his mind on gun rights. What's next? Will he say that 9/11 convinced him that homosexuality is wrong?

And what about when his second wife threw him out and he moved in with a gay couple who are two of his closest friends? And what about all of those photos of him dressed in drag?

New York City residents can't stand Rudy and strongly support Hillary in polls.

Anyway, I think Romney or McCain could take the nomination away from Rudy. Hillary will beat any of them.

Posted by: Progressive | October 9, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse

If I had to make a guess, I'd predict that Thompson will not shine, but will also not have a 'macaca moment'. Senator McCain will likely try to pull a Kerry and let Romney & Giuliani fight amongst themselves.

Posted by: bsimon | October 9, 2007 1:26 PM | Report abuse

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