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Mississippi Debate Update

For those political junkies still wondering whether tomorrow night's scheduled presidential debate in Mississippi will happen, a just-released memo from John McCain's campaign casts doubt on the prospect.

"Tomorrow, John McCain will return to Capitol Hill where he will work with all sides to build a bipartisan solution that protects taxpayers and keeps Americans in their homes," said spokesman Brian Rogers in a memo detailing the events of the day and casting McCain as a consensus-builder and Democrats in the role of spoilers. (Full memo after the jump.)

Now, McCain does have his own plane, which means that he could theoretically be in Washington for negotiations through the early afternoon and then jet down to Mississippi for the 9 p.m. ET debate.

But the tone of McCain's memo seems to suggest he is not planning to waver from his original call yesterday to suspend tomorrow night's debate to a later date.

Will Barack Obama stay in Washington tomorrow too? Or will he, as planned, head to Oxford?

The staring contest continues . . .

Full memo from the McCain campaign:

To Interested Parties:

To address our current financial crisis, John McCain suspended his campaign and returned to Washington, D.C., today to help build a bipartisan consensus for a proposal that would protect the American taxpayer.

Despite today's news reports, there never existed a "deal," but merely a proposal offered by a small, select group of Members of Congress. As of right now, there exists only a series of principles, including greater oversight and measures to address CEO pay. However, these principles do not enjoy a consensus in Congress.

At today's cabinet meeting, John McCain did not attack any proposal or endorse any plan. John McCain simply urged that for any proposal to enjoy the confidence of the American people, stressing that all sides would have to cooperate and build a bipartisan consensus for a solution that protects taxpayers.

However, the Democrats allowed Senator Obama to run their side of the meeting. That did not work as the meeting quickly devolved into a contentious shouting match that did not seek to craft a bipartisan solution.

At this moment, the plan that has been put forth by the Administration does not enjoy the confidence of the American people as it will not protect that taxpayers and will sacrifice Main Street in favor of Wall Street.

The bottom line is that as of tonight, there are not enough Republican or Democrat votes for the current plan. However, we are still optimistic that a bipartisan solution will be found. Republicans and Democrats want a deal that will protect the taxpayers.

Tomorrow, John McCain will return to Capitol Hill where he will work with all sides to build a bipartisan solution that protects taxpayers and keeps Americans in their homes.

By Paul Volpe  |  September 25, 2008; 9:52 PM ET
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Why don't you explain to me why John McCain would be "ducking" a foreign policy debate with lightweight, foreign-policy-gaffe-prone Obama? If the debate were anything but foreign policy, the accusations that John McCain is afraid & ducking might be coherent. But they are not.You're just a shrilling Obama fanatic without systematic insights into the political landscape, if you say this crap.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 26, 2008 6:14 AM | Report abuse

Ok AsperGirl, here's my reply;

He tried to duck the debate because he is a coward, when his attempt to duck the debate with a poorly executed political smokescreen failed, he had no choice but to attend.
PUBLIC OPINION forced him to the debate, it sure wasn't commitment or ethics because he dosen't have EITHER of those traits!
If Barack is a lightweight in foriegn policy it sure didn't show FRIDAY NIGHT!
I guess if the topic was Adultery, taking Bribes, sucking up to Lobbyists, crashing airplanes, setting fires on Aircraft Carriers, or Flip Flopping on issues John McCain would have had a sure advantage over Barack Obama, because John McCain has way more experience in THOSE AREAS!


Posted by: Reality_Bytes | September 28, 2008 1:41 AM | Report abuse

Why don't you explain to me why John McCain would be "ducking" a foreign policy debate with lightweight, foreign-policy-gaffe-prone Obama? If the debate were anything but foreign policy, the accusations that John McCain is afraid & ducking might be coherent. But they are not.You're just a shrilling Obama fanatic without systematic insights into the political landscape, if you say this crap.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 26, 2008 6:14 AM | Report abuse

Ok AsperGirl, here's my reply;

He tried to duck the debate because he is a coward, when his attempt to duck the debate with a poorly executed political smokescreen failed, he had no choice but to attend.
PUBLIC OPINION forced him to the debate, it sure wasn't commitment or ethics because he dosen't have EITHER of those traits!
If Barack is a lightweight in foriegn policy it sure didn't show FRIDAY NIGHT!
I guess if the topic was Adultery, taking Bribes, sucking up to Lobbyists, crashing airplanes, setting fires on Aircraft Carriers, or Flip Flopping on issues John McCain would have had a sure advantage over Barack Obama, because John McCain has way more experience in THOSE AREAS!


Posted by: Reality_Bytes | September 28, 2008 1:32 AM | Report abuse

Why don't you explain to me why John McCain would be "ducking" a foreign policy debate with lightweight, foreign-policy-gaffe-prone Obama? If the debate were anything but foreign policy, the accusations that John McCain is afraid & ducking might be coherent. But they are not.You're just a shrilling Obama fanatic without systematic insights into the political landscape, if you say this crap.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 26, 2008 6:14 AM | Report abuse

Ok AsperGirl, here's my reply;

He tried to duck the debate because he is a coward, when his attempt to duck the debate with a poorly executed political smokescreen failed, he had no choice but to attend.
PUBLIC OPINION forced him to the debate, it sure wasn't commitment or ethics because he dosen't have EITHER of those traits!
If Barack is a lightweight in foriegn policy it sure didn't show FRIDAY NIGHT!
I guess if the topic was Adultery, taking Bribes, sucking up to Lobbyists, crashing airplanes, setting fires on Aircraft Carriers, or Flip Flopping on issues John McCain would have had a sure advantage over Barack Obama, because John McCain has way more experience in THOSE AREAS!


Posted by: Reality_Bytes | September 28, 2008 1:31 AM | Report abuse

John McCaint has suddenly gotten quite concerned about the crisis on Wall Street.

Just more lies....

So much so that he has announced he’s suspending his campaign and rushing back to Washington so he can work with Congress on solving the problem and he wants Obama to do the same which will mean putting off that pesky debate they were supposed to have on Friday.

The situation was so urgent in fact that McCaint called up David Letterman personally to cancel his appearance on his show so he wouldn’t waste any time tackling the problem.

Except that he apparently had time to stick around long enough to film an interview with Katie Couric, to "expalin" the pathetic interview with peeeuuu Palin whereas she fumbles and get confused on such a simple subject....and literally self destructs on CBS.....

So while McCaint was at the West 57th street CBS News Location.....at same point in time he would have been on Letterman.

Needless to say, Dave wasn’t impressed. In fact Dave had some pretty good points to make during the course of the show.

David Letterman was absolutely furious at Senator John McCain for snubbing him and instead making an appearance on a CBS News interview with Katie Couric.

According to Letterman, McCaint personally called him and apologized for bailing out at the last minute.

He said he was suspending his campaign to rush to Washington and help fight America’s biggest economic crisis since the great depression.

Letterman understood the urgency of this issue and said it was ok.

Boy, Was he mad when he knew that McCaint did not actually go to Washington to solve the ‘Crisis’ and fix the ‘Crater’ in the economy?

Letterman stopped his interview with Keith Olbermann midway to show a live TV feed of McCaint getting makeup for his interview with Katie Couric.

Letterman said something is terribly wrong with McCain’s campaign ..and it smells....(peeeuuu Palin anyone)and that he was just playing a political game by saying that he was suspending his campaign.

And when Dave saw McCaint with Couric having makeup applied to his cancer ridden head he yelled out and said: "Hey John, do you need a ride to the airport??????.

He felt this a political gimmick to stop his sliding poll numbers from sliding further. He repeatedly asked the same question - ‘Where is your running mate, Sarah Palin?’.

You do not suspend a campaign a month before elections, you get your second in command to run the show instead.

A total of 10 minutes was used up by Dave Letterman to shred McCain and his publicity stunt into pieces.

View David's Anger @
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjkCrfylq-E

After the Walter Cronkite moment of 1968 now 40 years later for McCaint on David Letterman......I don’t think McCain will be scheduling a follow-up appearance anytime soon.

Thanks Again Dave.... for showing us the truth..yet again......McCaint can't multi-task.....

Its the end of the peeeuuu Palin bubble and McCaints lies.......

"Thanks but no thanks for more of the lies that bridge America to nowhere......"

Posted by: AlexP1 | September 26, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

One can indeed do the work of the American people and still attend a debate. Multi-tasking. We all do it every day.
John McCain is sliding in the polls and his VP's foriegn policy experience is the fact that when Putin leaves Russia and flys over American airspace, he enters Alaskan airspace first. Wow.
Are you too blind to see that these are all political ploys?
McCain tried to play to the hard right, which he is NOT part of, and now he is stuck in the middle of his own party's mess and he has NO power among them. None.
What he needs to do is stand up and show the American peole what HIS policies will be if he is President, just as Obama must do.
Republicans and Democrat legislators feel that his appearance in Washington has been a distraction and has only set them back. But YOU know better? Sheesh.

Posted by: sheridan1 | September 26, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse


McCain Warned of Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac Meltdown in 2006: Democrats Ignored Him

From the Congressional Record (May 25, 2006):

Mr. President, this week Fannie Mae's regulator reported that the
company's quarterly reports of profit growth over the past few years
were "illusions deliberately and systematically created" by the
company's senior management, which resulted in a $10.6 billion
accounting scandal....

.....I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory
Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage
of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act,
American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk
that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the
overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.

Posted by: nsabetus | September 26, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

McCain is certainly no "maverick," he is simply a "brat." He has been a brat all of his life. When he cannot have his way he throws a tantrum. Even at 72 years old he has never grown up. He always has an excuse for his bad behavior, expecting someone to come along to bail him out. John McCain is all about John McCain. His slogan, "Country First," is a joke.

Posted by: Annalist | September 26, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Get over it people, he's doing the right thing. No matter how the dems spin it, the american people know he is right to do this. Obama's response? Call me if you need me?
Not getting my vote Barrack.

McCain/Palin 08

Posted by: blevins20061 | September 26, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I never thought I'd say this, but McCain is quite a coward. His cowardice seems to grow every day ... more with every stunt.

What is the music he is so afraid to face?

Posted by: free-donny | September 26, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

The Republicans have controlled Executive branch for the last eight years, the judicial branch for the last eight years and congress for six years out of eight years. Now that’s twenty-two out of twenty-four years of Republican control. It doesn’t take a PhD in mathematics to figure out who is responsible. And even if the republicans controlled all of Washington for the last eight years, they would be blaming Grover Cleveland for the financial crisis. For once will the GOP stand up take responsibility for their actions instead of acting like whiny scapegoating cry babies.

Posted by: snman37922 | September 26, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Mccain has a commitment to the American people be there. It is that simple. If he can't fit it into his schedule then he has no business running for president where he will have many many demands on him. He can't just run into a corner with his favorite blanket and hide when things get hard. LETS GET REAL HERE. Even yesterday President Bush had other meetings right after the meeting with Mccain and Obama that had nothing to do with the economic crises. Life goes on and you meet your commitments. "THAT IS WHAT A LEADER DOES". Even a dope like George Bush knows that.

Mccain is just looking like a man who can't handle it, plain and simple. I cringe at the thought of him in the white house with Palin at his side.

Posted by: popasmoke | September 26, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Mccain has a commitment to the American be there. It is that simple. He he can't fit it into his schedule then he has no business running to president where he will have many many demands on him. He can't just run into a corner with his favorite blanket and hide when things get hard. LETS GET REAL HERE. Even yesterday President Bush had other meetings right after the meeting with Mccain and Obama that had nothing to do with the economic crises. Life goes on and you meet your commitments. "THAT IS WHAT A LEADER DOES". Even a dope like George Bush knows that.

Mccain is just looking like a man who can't handle it, plain and simple. I cringe at the thought of him in the white house with Palin at his side.

Posted by: popasmoke | September 26, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I'm tired of seeing posts from fools like "37thandOSt". The Republicans have been paying staffers to plant propaganda online for years, and for them to whine about the other party doing the same thing is infantile.

If you want to talk about issues great. If you just want to whine and claim what the other side is doing is unfair, turn off your computer and/or check out one of the other internets.

Now, as for the debate, I think it would be grossly inappropriate for Senator McCain to fail to show up for the debate. The debates are a major step in the job interview process for the Presidency.

Relatedly, both campaigns need to stop pointing fingers at the "other side" when it comes to the financial legislation. Their comments are making it harder to pass a bill. The best thing both candidates could do is hold a joint appearance saying they don't want to distract negotiations, get on planes to Mississippi and move forward with the process.

Posted by: scott032 | September 26, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

37th and O Street====Yeah, weel I think McCain is employing 300 conspiracy theory spinmeisters. Actually, the Republican National Committee has employed people since before December to go online and pretend to be Democrats who don't like the way things were trying to go in the primaries. They would say if they don't get their way in the primaries they would vote Republican, trying to divide the Democrats. This is so Nixonian, it is pathetic. But dirty tricks has always been in the Republican tool bag since the Nixon years. They still think Nixon was right in Watergate.Aspergirl is one of these writers, Camasca is another.

Posted by: majorteddy | September 26, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

The reason so many posters on THE FIX ARE UPSET is that the Obama campaign has over 300 paid staff bloggers who harass and mock internet bloggers who do not agree with the Obama campaign's ultraliberal views.


It is true.


The Obama campaign, and the candidate and his wife in particular, are hostile toward FREEDOM OF SPEECH OF BLOGGERS because they lump Constitutional Freedoms into a Constitution which they believe is at fault over the Slave Trade, over the Dred Scott Decision, over the Jim Crow era, over all the stuff that you have read in your dusty history book.

This is what we want:


1) We would like the Washington Post to require ALL the internet posters at the Obama campaign, paid and unpaid, including volunteers, to identify themselves in their postings as a part of the Obama Campaign. That way when these people harass and mock other internet bloggers everyone can see clearly that it is the Obama Campaign engaging in such UNAMERICAN AND ANTISOCIAL BEHAVIOR.


2) We would like the Editors and Reporters at the Washington Post to clearly state to the Obama Campaign that harassing and mocking the readers of the Washington Post is unacceptable behavior for a candidate for President of the United State, a position which is suppose to protect FREEDOM OF SPEECH NOT TRAMPLE FREEDOM OF SPEECH.


3) We would like a PUBLIC APOLOGY FROM OBAMA AND HIS WIFE WHO IS RUNNING THIS UNDERHANDED INTERNET CAMPAIGN OF HARASSMENT AND MOCKERY - AND A FIRM COMMITMENT FROM BOTH OBAMA AND HIS WIFE THAT THEY WILL NOT ALLOW THEIR CAMPAIGN OR FAMILY MEMBERS TO ENGAGE IN THIS UNAMERICAN AND ANTISOCIAL BEHAVIOR ANYMORE.

.

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Posted by: 37thandOStreet | September 26, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Name callers and party partisians, the Presidency has been held by a Republican for twenty of the last twenty eight years, the congress was in Republican control from 1982 until 2006. The GOP bears full responsibility for the financial crisis we are in now. How you wackos can blame the democrats with control of these two branches of government in GOP hands is so stupid it beyond what one can fathom. Get your facts straight.
tommic856@verizon.net
tom mcmahon
millis ma

Posted by: tommic856 | September 26, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

I don't think it's useful for Sen. McCain to suspend his campaign and devote his time to the debate on Capitol Hill over the economy. This isn't his strong suit and his contributions may not be best here.

I would much rather see him debate Sen. Obama tonight, as our political process is not suspended-- we will have the election on November 4, and people need to know where the candidates stand.

Posted by: dbitt | September 26, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

John McCaint has suddenly gotten quite concerned about the crisis on Wall Street.

Just more lies....

So much so that he has announced he’s suspending his campaign and rushing back to Washington so he can work with Congress on solving the problem and he wants Obama to do the same which will mean putting off that pesky debate they were supposed to have on Friday.

The situation was so urgent in fact that McCaint called up David Letterman personally to cancel his appearance on his show so he wouldn’t waste any time tackling the problem.

Except that he apparently had time to stick around long enough to film an interview with Katie Couric, to "expalin" the pathetic interview with peeeuuu Palin whereas she fumbles and get confused on such a simple subject....and literally self destructs on CBS.....

So while McCaint was at the West 57th street CBS News Location.....at same point in time he would have been on Letterman.

Needless to say, Dave wasn’t impressed. In fact Dave had some pretty good points to make during the course of the show.

David Letterman was absolutely furious at Senator John McCain for snubbing him and instead making an appearance on a CBS News interview with Katie Couric.

According to Letterman, McCaint personally called him and apologized for bailing out at the last minute.

He said he was suspending his campaign to rush to Washington and help fight America’s biggest economic crisis since the great depression.

Letterman understood the urgency of this issue and said it was ok.

Boy, Was he mad when he knew that McCaint did not actually go to Washington to solve the ‘Crisis’ and fix the ‘Crater’ in the economy?

Letterman stopped his interview with Keith Olbermann midway to show a live TV feed of McCaint getting makeup for his interview with Katie Couric.

Letterman said something is terribly wrong with McCain’s campaign ..and it smells....(peeeuuu Palin anyone)and that he was just playing a political game by saying that he was suspending his campaign.

And when Dave saw McCaint with Couric having makeup applied to his cancer ridden head he yelled out and said: "Hey John, do you need a ride to the airport??????.

He felt this a political gimmick to stop his sliding poll numbers from sliding further. He repeatedly asked the same question - ‘Where is your running mate, Sarah Palin?’.

You do not suspend a campaign a month before elections, you get your second in command to run the show instead.

A total of 10 minutes was used up by Dave Letterman to shred McCain and his publicity stunt into pieces.

View David's Anger @
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjkCrfylq-E

After the Walter Cronkite moment of 1968 now 40 years later for McCaint on David Letterman......I don’t think McCain will be scheduling a follow-up appearance anytime soon.

Thanks Again Dave.... for showing us the truth..yet again......McCaint can't multi-task.....

Its the end of the peeeuuu Palin bubble and McCaints lies.......

"Thanks but no thanks for more of the lies that bridge America to nowhere......"

Posted by: AlexP1 | September 26, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Mccain has a commitment to be at that debate. It is that simple.


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I am outraged. McCain's actions are a betrayal of the American people on every level. This is nothing more than a new version of "I don't like how the game is going so I will take my ball and go home".
This behavior is a national disgrace. Every journalist and paper should be up in arms about such childish antics. Where is the power of the press to stop this nonsense?

Posted by: MainLineGirl | September 26, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: popasmoke | September 26, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

John McCaint has suddenly gotten quite concerned about the crisis on Wall Street.

Just more lies....

So much so that he has announced he’s suspending his campaign and rushing back to Washington so he can work with Congress on solving the problem and he wants Obama to do the same which will mean putting off that pesky debate they were supposed to have on Friday.

The situation was so urgent in fact that McCaint called up David Letterman personally to cancel his appearance on his show so he wouldn’t waste any time tackling the problem.

Except that he apparently had time to stick around long enough to film an interview with Katie Couric, to "expalin" the pathetic interview with peeeuuu Palin whereas she fumbles and get confused on such a simple subject....and literally self destructs on CBS.....

So while McCaint was at the West 57th street CBS News Location.....at same point in time he would have been on Letterman.

Needless to say, Dave wasn’t impressed. In fact Dave had some pretty good points to make during the course of the show.

David Letterman was absolutely furious at Senator John McCain for snubbing him and instead making an appearance on a CBS News interview with Katie Couric.

According to Letterman, McCaint personally called him and apologized for bailing out at the last minute.

He said he was suspending his campaign to rush to Washington and help fight America’s biggest economic crisis since the great depression.

Letterman understood the urgency of this issue and said it was ok.

Boy, Was he mad when he knew that McCaint did not actually go to Washington to solve the ‘Crisis’ and fix the ‘Crater’ in the economy?

Letterman stopped his interview with Keith Olbermann midway to show a live TV feed of McCaint getting makeup for his interview with Katie Couric.

Letterman said something is terribly wrong with McCain’s campaign ..and it smells....(peeeuuu Palin anyone)and that he was just playing a political game by saying that he was suspending his campaign.

And when Dave saw McCaint with Couric having makeup applied to his cancer ridden head he yelled out and said: "Hey John, do you need a ride to the airport??????.

He felt this a political gimmick to stop his sliding poll numbers from sliding further. He repeatedly asked the same question - ‘Where is your running mate, Sarah Palin?’.

You do not suspend a campaign a month before elections, you get your second in command to run the show instead.

A total of 10 minutes was used up by Dave Letterman to shred McCain and his publicity stunt into pieces.

View David's Anger @
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjkCrfylq-E

After the Walter Cronkite moment of 1968 now 40 years later for McCaint on David Letterman......I don’t think McCain will be scheduling a follow-up appearance anytime soon.

Thanks Again Dave.... for showing us the truth..yet again......McCaint can't multi-task.....

Its the end of the peeeuuu Palin bubble and McCaints lies.......

"Thanks but no thanks for more of the lies that bridge America to nowhere......"

Posted by: AlexP1 | September 26, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

I am outraged. McCain's actions are a betrayal of the American people on every level. This is nothing more than a new version of "I don't like how the game is going so I will take my ball and go home".
This behavior is a national disgrace. Every journalist and paper should be up in arms about such childish antics. Where is the power of the press to stop this nonsense?

Posted by: MainLineGirl | September 26, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse


That ad points to the elephant in the room. And in fact Mccain will not release his medical records. FDR died just a few months after taking office. They had elected a dead man who had terminal heart disease and were lied to. Some people right now are speculating Mccain may have had a mini stroke in the just the last week or so. He has some physical evidence of it. This is becoming a complete joke.

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Chris:

Is there anyway to track the comments back to Obama Paid Staffers at Obama Headquarters in Chicago - they have shifts of people who come in - these people are paid by Obama to harass and mock other posters who are exercising their Freedom of Speech which is guaranteed by the Constititution.


I am sickened by the behavior of the paid Obama staffers at Obama headquarters in Chicago.

**************
If you want to get really sick wait until you see the ad running on MSNBC attacking
McCain because he has had skin cancer.
Chris, why haven't you posted something about that nasty ad? It originated with
Howard Dean's Brother.

Posted by: menopausequeen | September 26, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: popasmoke | September 26, 2008 8:21 AM | Report abuse


Mccain is not prepared for the debate. H knows it, the people around him have been saying it for more then a week, even commenting on how much Mccain has been sleeping lately. Something is up with Mccain and it is not good. He doesn't look good, he doesn't sound good. He is now traveling with a make up artist who works on him before he is seen. There is a lot of talk about his drooping left eye what has become evident in the past week. One doctor speculates he may have had a TIA (mini stroke). I believe his campaign are just trying to keep him going long enough to make it through November.

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This is blowing up in McCain's face! it's obvious that he's trying to duck this debate and the nonsense that he has to be in DC to negotiate the bailout is ludicrous. The public is not buying this and he and Palin are sinking like the dollar.

Posted by: MadameSelena | September 26, 2008 4:07 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: popasmoke | September 26, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Chris:

Is there anyway to track the comments back to Obama Paid Staffers at Obama Headquarters in Chicago - they have shifts of people who come in - these people are paid by Obama to harass and mock other posters who are exercising their Freedom of Speech which is guaranteed by the Constititution.


I am sickened by the behavior of the paid Obama staffers at Obama headquarters in Chicago.

**************
If you want to get really sick wait until you see the ad running on MSNBC attacking
McCain because he has had skin cancer.
Chris, why haven't you posted something about that nasty ad? It originated with
Howard Dean's Brother.

Posted by: menopausequeen | September 26, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

jm917 posted:

"...why can't the Democrats use the votes they have to push through the package that has been worked out between Paulson/Bernanke and Dodd/Frank. ...it would be mostly a party-line vote, but surely the Dems can rustle up a few intelligent Republican votes..."

IMO, neither party could afford to take the risk of anything less than a bipartisan bill, because of the enormous uncertainty of results. Voter mail is running 100-1 against the bailout and for an elected representative to buck that tide of sentiment would be politically suicidal without a community of effort.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | September 26, 2008 7:59 AM | Report abuse

Their appears to be a strain of malware on the internet that can't be eradicated. It seems to infect the computers of Right wing trolls and makes their Caps Lock keys get stuck.

Damn those hackers!

Posted by: CynthiaD1 | September 26, 2008 7:29 AM | Report abuse


Having a majority in the House but with only a one vote margin in the Senate does not make a "Democratic controlled Congress"!

You can shout this fact from the rooftops but the Right wing trolls will never let facts get in the way of their rants and screeds.

Posted by: CynthiaD1 | September 26, 2008 7:24 AM | Report abuse

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Chris:

Is there anyway to track the comments back to Obama Paid Staffers at Obama Headquarters in Chicago - they have shifts of people who come in - these people are paid by Obama to harass and mock other posters who are exercising their Freedom of Speech which is guaranteed by the Constititution.


I am sickened by the behavior of the paid Obama staffers at Obama headquarters in Chicago.


This behavior is indicative of the GENERAL HOSTILITY TOWARD THE CONSTITUTION WHICH OBAMA AND HIS WIFE MICHELE HOLD - CLEARLY BOTH OBAMAS RESENT THAT THE CONSTITUTION ALLOWED THE JIM CROW ERA - BOTH OBAMAS ARE ALSO ANGRY THAT THE CONSTITUTION ALLOWED THE SLAVE TRADE TO CONTINUE UNTIL 1808 - AND THEY ARE BOTH ANGRY ABOUT THE 3/5 COMPROMISE - CLEARLY THIS HOSTILITY HAS MANIFESTED ITSELF INTO A GENERAL HOSTILITY TOWARD ALL THE CONSTITUTIONAL FREEDOMS AMERICANS HOLD DEAR.


SERIOUSLY THIS IS AN ISSUE - THE PHILADELPHIA SPEECH MADE CLEAR REFERENCES TO THE IDEAS WHICH INDICATED THIS HOSTILITY TOWARD THE BASIC FRAMEWORK OF OUR GOVERNMENT NAMELY THAT INDIVIDUAL FREEDOMS ARE SUPREME TO THE GOVERNMENT.


CLEARLY BOTH OBAMAS HAVE A HOSTILITY TOWARD THE GOVERNMENTS OF THE PAST WHICH ALLOWED THE JIM CROW ERA, THE SLAVE TRADE, THE DRED SCOTT DECISION, THE 3/5 COMPROMISE AND THE FUGITIVE SLAVE ACT - THEY HAVE MANIFESTED THIS ANGER INTO A HOSTILITY AGAINST CONSTITUTIONAL FREEDOMS SUCH AS FREEDOM OF SPEECH - THUS THEY HAVE NO PROBLEM HARASSING BLOGGERS ON THE INTERNET WHO DO NOT AGREE WITH THEM, THEY HAVE NO PROBLEM SHUTTING DOWN FREEDOM OF SPEECH AT STREET FESTIVALS IN CHICAGO, THEY HAVE NO PROBLEM INTERFERING WITH ELECTIONS IN MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA AND ACTING TO PREVENT THE CITIZENS OF MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA REVOTES WHICH WOULD CONFORM AFTER THE DATES, THEY HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH AFFIRMATIVE ACTION WHICH IS DISCRIMINATION AGAINST WHITES AND DEPRIVES PEOPLE OF WHAT THEY HAVE EARNED BASED ON MERIT - THE OBAMAS ARE HOSTILE TOWARD THE FREEDOMS OF THE CONSTITUTION AND THEY BOTH BELIEVE THEY ARE JUSTIFIED IN TRAMPLING ON CONSTITUTIONAL FREEDOMS BECAUSE OF THE JIM CROW ERA AND BECAUSE THE CONSTITUTION ALLOWED SLAVERY FOR 75 YEARS FROM 1790 - 1864.


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Posted by: 37thandOStreet | September 26, 2008 7:05 AM | Report abuse

Folks, ignore AsperGirl. It is a troll. Replying to AsperGirl's comments is known as "feeding the troll". You feed it and it will stick around and pollute the forum with incoherent rants.

DON'T FEED THE TROLL!

Posted by: Geezle | September 26, 2008 6:55 AM | Report abuse

The debate is a PERFORMANCE, theater, a side show to the evolving crisis. The debate, as much as you political junkies may not want to hear it, is unimportant. The government is about to place a trillion dollar bet (and yes, that's real money-enough to re-build every road, bridge and school in the country) on a proposal that is being worked out in a crisis atmosphere in Washington. It is money the government will be taxing out of our pockets and those of our children for generations to come.

If Obama truly believes his little TV show of a debate (when there will be 2 others anyway soon) is more important than his taking the reins of this negotiation as the chosen leader of his party, he is not only a phony and a fool, he is a traitor.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies1 | September 26, 2008 6:44 AM | Report abuse

The debate is a PERFORMANCE, theater, a side show to the evolving crisis. The debate, as much as you political junkies may not want to hear it, is unimportant. The government is about to place a trillion dollar bet (and yes, that's real money-enough to re-build every road, bridge and school in the country) on a proposal that is being worked out in a crisis atmosphere in Washington. It is money the government will be taxing out of our pockets and those of our children for generations to come.

If Obama truly believes his little TV show of a debate (when there will be 2 others anyway soon) is more important than his taking the reins of this negotiation as the chosen leader of his party, he is not only a phony and a fool, he is a traitor.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies1 | September 26, 2008 6:43 AM | Report abuse

I'm sure McCain would let Sarah use his private plane to jet down to Mississippi to take his place in the debate. He probably even owns a house down there that she can stay in.

Free Sarah Palin!

Posted by: freedom5 | September 26, 2008 6:28 AM | Report abuse

Funny how McCain's description, in the memo, of his own position is incoherent:

"John McCain simply urged that for any proposal to enjoy the confidence of the American people, stressing that all sides would have to cooperate and build a bipartisan consensus for a solution that protects taxpayers."

The next paragraph, implying that Obama caused the meeting to break down, is obviously an outrageous distortion. More lies!

From all reports, McCain abetted the House Republicans who scuttled the Paulson plan, though he couldn't muster any actual leadership on the matter.

Posted by: pundito | September 26, 2008 6:28 AM | Report abuse

>>"Hey Aspergirl, Explain to me how the Democrates are avoiding the real issues in this situation when it is MCCAIN who is ducking a debate to discuss THOSE VERY ISSUES, and as per modis operenda, using Drama and Lies as the tool pry himself away from REAL DISCUSSIONS ON REAL ISSUES. I await YOUR response, This should be good folks!"

Posted by: Reality_Bytes | September 26, 2008 5:55 AM | Report abuse

Why don't you explain to me why John McCain would be "ducking" a foreign policy debate with lightweight, foreign-policy-gaffe-prone Obama? If the debate were anything but foreign policy, the accusations that John McCain is afraid & ducking might be coherent. But they are not.

You're just a shrilling Obama fanatic without systematic insights into the political landscape, if you say this crap.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 26, 2008 6:14 AM | Report abuse

There are a lot of reasons why the House Republicans' "mortgage insurance" proposal is better than the $700 billion bailout package.

There are a lot of reasons why the bailout package is not going to work. This whole episode is like the Iraq War resolution, on many levels.

I have been watching the economy teeter toward collapse, which was obvious last year given the conditions that were impossible to avoid. In early Spring, the FDIC began hiring more banking professionals to help deal with the anticipated bank failures this year. Wall street analysts have anticipated this for over a year, because the conditions are obvious and unavoidable.

The only reason why the Bush Administration has no detailed plan to put out in front of a finance sector bailout package is that (1) they are not being honest or (2) they are cluelessly reacting.

This bailout package is a lot like the incoherent, incompetent and knee jerk Iraq War resolution and the Hurricane Katrina funding (that has been squandered).

This is not an administration that does well with blank checks. Our On-The-Job-Trainee President Bush has not only been behind the curve consistently, but he has never been "on the curve" in that he only has big incompetent, expensive failures that he launches in response to disasters, including 9/11 and Hurricane Katrina. This $700 billion bailout package is a classic expensive, flailing Bush response to a disaster that could be dealt with more competently.

There is nothing right about this $700 bailout package that even the proponents admit won't fix the problem, just keep us from immediate collapse by keeping financial giants' doors open.

The gov't mortgage insurance purchase program the House Republicans propose makes a lot of sense.

I wouldn't put it past McCain to be behind this.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 26, 2008 6:07 AM | Report abuse

Hey Aspergirl,
Explain to me how the Democrates are avoiding the real issues in this situation when it is MCCAIN who is ducking a debate to discuss THOSE VERY ISSUES, and as per modis operenda, using Drama and Lies as the tool pry himself away from REAL DISCUSSIONS ON REAL ISSUES. I await YOUR response, This should be good folks!

Posted by: Reality_Bytes | September 26, 2008 5:55 AM | Report abuse

Yo ObaDroids! Some simple facts for you:
The Dems control Congress.
Obsama is leader of the Dems.
So Obsama just has to tell the Dems to pass the She Devil Pelosi/Crooked Dodd/Gay Barney/Wall Street GiveAway!
And Bush will sign it!

So since the Dems control Congress and Obsama is their leader why doesn't he do it?
Well, why doesn't he? After all, Crooked Dodd and Gay Barney said they had a deal right!

OOPS! Guess they were lying again!
OOPS! Guess all the Dems won't back their give away!
OOPS! Guess Obsama doesn't want HIS fingerprints on the bailout!

No the Lying DemoFrauds are doing their usual:
They want credit for "solving" the crisis they created but want to blame Republicans when it goes South.
They want Republican support for Obsama's bailout without Republican input.
And they want all this while dissing McCain!

Clever Cleavers!
Too bad, so sad, but it ain't gonna work.

But hey, Obsama can always get a job with Gay Barney's hustler BF!

Posted by: jthandbook | September 26, 2008 5:55 AM | Report abuse

How to put this delicately... John McCain would not like this bailout package if he were not running for President but he would go along with it because he has little power or sway in banking and finance matters.

As it is, I am not unconvinced he is behind the insurgent "proposal" of the House Republicans.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 26, 2008 5:49 AM | Report abuse

I think that McCain should be a no-show, and send word that he is fine with Obama taking the entire time to talk about his foreign policy agendas and concerns, that that McCain will follow up with a statement from Washington responding to Obama's discussion.

Then, after Obama's discussion hour, McCain should have SARAH PALIN hold a press conference in which she reads' McCain's statement, and takes questions.

Make Obama look like he's competing with a VP candidate again.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 26, 2008 5:43 AM | Report abuse

There is a lot to comment on, but no point commenting on this stuff.

The reason is that the issues are cut and dried. Right now, the political echo chamber is filled with the invective of fools, who are trying to use this episode to bash McCain with.

Instead of focusing on the problem.

The Democrats are doing everything they can to defeat and undermine the perception that McCain's suspension of his campaign and focusing on this bailout will be helpful. To that extent, there is more coverage given to ranting over their anger over McCain's suspension of his campaign than any bailout issues.

The Dysfunctional Democrats hollering and screaming again, pointing their fingers at demonized Republicans, dominate the media.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 26, 2008 5:38 AM | Report abuse

As far as the Presidential Debate in Mississippi;

John McCain set himself up for failure, and he has ONLY himself to blame. He knifed Barack Obama in the back in a ploy to make himself look more patriotic at Barack Obama's expense.

Instead of the desired effect, Americans as a whole saw this action for what it was; a shameful attempt to exploit a National Crisis for personnal gain, with the added prospect of giving him a cover for ducking a debate he was afraid to participate in.

Now what are his options?

Option(A); He goes through with the debate, we will ALL assume that he participated ONLY because his scheme to sabatoge the debate failed, plus he will loose anyway!

Option(B); He is a "No Show", our assumptions that he does not want a debate with Barack Obama are verified, and we ALL assume that John McCain would have lost ANYWAY!

Sorry Republicans, but due to REALITY, these ARE the ONLY options available for Fridays debate in Mississippi :(

Posted by: Reality_Bytes | September 26, 2008 5:38 AM | Report abuse


From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/mccain-and-bushs-kabuki-theatre-mccain.html

Thursday, September 25, 2008
Credit Where Credit Isn't Due: McCain and Bush's Kabuki Theatre

Now we know why McCain hired the Bush contingent.

It emerged in the White House briefing today that McCain called Bush and asked him to initiate a meeting today at 4 pm at the White House, putatively for him to "deal with" the crisis.

That is, McCain asked Bush to help him create an trifecta: To try to lend some credence to McCain's desperate assertion that a suspension of his campaign is necessary, in effect either avoiding a debate in which he would face critical questions about his stance on the economy or marching in claiming "victory"; attempting to co opt the financial crisis thereby trying to put an end to his plummeting in the polls created by his flailing positions on the economy--perhaps best reflected by his statement days ago that the "fundamentals of the economy are strong"; and also perhaps buying more time for Sarah Palin after her embarrassing photo op at the UN yesterday, by moving her debate forward as well.

Here's how it happened, according to Q and A at the WHB:

McCain emailed Bush asking for the 4 P.M. meeting. Now, one reasonably might ask, why is today such a necessity for McCain, if his interest is solely the national good?

Because it is before the debate. McCain hopes to stage a meeting at the White House, thereby, with Bush's cooperation, lending plausibility to his claim to need to suspend his campaign. Then, if Republicans, in their own electoral interest, can be persuaded to come to agreement, before the debate, he would claim--in an act of utter stage management--to have "resolved" the crisis. Thereby hoping to take the heat off on his past careening stances and sliding polls and staunch the bleeding on the polls--before the debate.

This is Kabuki Theatre masquerading as substance--no different than what we saw at the U.N. yesterday.

It is utterly stage managed, utterly cynical, and utterly unrelated to the substantive deliberation necessary to actually resolve these matters on the merits and for our nation's future, rather than for short-term and desperate political advantage.

These occurrences are equally important for what they indicate about McCain's governing style as they are for their impact upon democratic process: impulsive acts that rely on drama and theatrical posture rather than substantive reasoning and long-term deliberation; a strong willingness to sacrifice substantive reasoning, deliberative process, and even prior structures and agreements to immediate political need; an attempt to reach outcomes through last minute stage management rather than substantive argument.

These should create deep concern for anyone who wishes for a change in governmental process from the past eight years.

We have an economy, rather than a campaign, to rescue. Putting nation before politics means putting all attempts to resolve it before political attempts to co opt it--and to move towards one's commitments, rather than towards a more immediate and short-term salvation.

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/mccain-and-bushs-kabuki-theatre-mccain.html

Posted by: caraprado1 | September 26, 2008 4:44 AM | Report abuse

I hope McCain is going to be required to "un-suspend" his election campaign before he steps onto the stage Friday night. It wouldn't be fair to allow him to debate Obama while his campaign was "suspended."

After all, if he gave some really stupid answers then he could go weasel on us and claim they didn't count because he wasn't really campaigning.

This guy is crafty and not to be trusted. His fondness to be a maverick (watched "Top Gun" too many times?) and do irrational stunts is becoming regular with him.

It's great entertainment, especially in these serious times we are experiencing. But presidential?

Only to those who have had their Kool-Aid.

Posted by: patrick10 | September 26, 2008 4:12 AM | Report abuse

This is blowing up in McCain's face! it's obvious that he's trying to duck this debate and the nonsense that he has to be in DC to negotiate the bailout is ludicrous. The public is not buying this and he and Palin are sinking like the dollar.

Posted by: MadameSelena | September 26, 2008 4:07 AM | Report abuse

I think there was a movie about McCain/Palin. Was it "Dumb and Dumber"?

Posted by: bobtich | September 26, 2008 4:03 AM | Report abuse

Yes, John McCain is leading the bail-out. He bailed out of the debate.

Posted by: donnolo | September 26, 2008 3:56 AM | Report abuse

Ahhhhhhh!!! When I read this, I just wished I could email a letter to him and his campaign that he would actually read and tell them how utterly stupid they are acting! Actually, really what they are doing is acting like the American public is ignorant and stupid. I can't stand being treated like this. His choice of Palin reeked of this same condescending attitude. I realize today for sure that he does think we are all stupid! McCain disgusts me and the way he has run his campaign is appalling. I don't know why people do not see what he is doing and how phony he is. How can anyone seriously think he is putting country first? It is ridiculous.

Posted by: leahbj | September 26, 2008 3:54 AM | Report abuse

McCain is beyond pathetic. Shameful.

This deceitful weasel is actually trying to sell this "bi-partisan" crap to the ignorant and unlearned. In his own mind, tomorrow's headlines: "The Maverick Saves the Deal and the Day!" Subsequently, being the "hero" he is, he would quickly jet down to Ole Miss just in time to proclaim victory and have his way with his opponent. Slicing and dicing him any way he can. One could almost hear the theme of "Mighty Mouse" playing in the background.

But there's one MAJOR flaw with this proposed narrative, and his name is Obama. If it were the campaign of Gore or Kerry, this political stunt might stand a chance. But McCain is about to be introduced to a different kind of politics. Just when McCain thinks he's won, the Obama campaign will deliver a brutal blow that will derail the Straight Talk Express. The McCain campaign is undoubtedly a trainwreck waiting to happen, and that day could not come too soon for me.

Posted by: fonkyou | September 26, 2008 3:40 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, Chris, I just read McCain's memo and it said absolutely nothing. And he is going to hold the campaign in abeyance for this? It is time for the media to stop coddling John McCain and call his tactics what they are - complete and utter b@llsh!t.

Posted by: johnsonc2 | September 26, 2008 3:32 AM | Report abuse

srsly, how does mcCain getting away with the "bipartisan" narrative?

Posted by: sti1es | September 26, 2008 3:12 AM | Report abuse

Chris,
At what point do you start calling b.s. on McCain's antics? Your evenhandedness is typical media pander to this demagogic moron.

Posted by: johnsonc2 | September 26, 2008 3:09 AM | Report abuse

This campaign is becoming more comedic by the day. The head of the GOP ticket has been trying hard to distance himself from his own party. He picks an unknown woman,who's family seems to be a northern,less wholesome version of the Clampetts. After viewing her interviews with Ms. Couric, I'm guessing she would be Jethro. A couple weeks ago McCain did not like how CNN's Campbell Brown interviewed Tucker Bounds so he refused to go on Larry King. Huh? He calls his own wife a C#*t, and then fakes anger over lipstick on a pig. He takes femjethro on a whirlwind excursion to the UN so she can learn about foreign affairs-through osmosis I guess.Now he is faking that his campaign is on hold, so he can have a photo op in the white house. And as he has done before he may be backing out of the first debate. I think he slipping. He is starting to resemble that detective in the Pink Panther movies with the eye twitching. I think he needs a long rest in a sanitarium.

Posted by: jwald1 | September 26, 2008 3:02 AM | Report abuse

People need to follow McCain/Palin around with chicken suits until they answer to the American people, join in debate and hold real press conferences.

They both have pulled out of debates before, McCain has also suspended his campaigns before. Great way to get a nice media frenzy going...Great way to disrespect the Rep. Governor of Mississippi.

McCain/Palin: the Drama Queen and the Beauty Queen.

Posted by: Flatiron | September 26, 2008 3:02 AM | Report abuse

OK, the chances for a "bipartisan" rescue package seem to be dead in the water now, thanks to the recalcitrance of primitive-minded Republicans and John McCain.

But why can't the Democrats use the votes they have to push through the package that has been worked out between Paulson/Bernanke and Dodd/Frank. Sure, it would be mostly a party-line vote, but surely the Dems can rustle up a few intelligent Republican votes as well in order to pass this thing, for Bush to sign.

Then let this rescue package become the issue on which the country votes on November 4. Sure, there are things that still need to be done, like a second stimulus package, home-mortgage relief, and a public-works program. They can be handled when the new Congress convenes in January. And if the rescue package needs some tweaking, that can be done then, too.

Let McCain defend the ineffectual "alternative" package that the House Republicans cooked up at the last minute--something that Paulson and Bernanke rejected as totally missing the point.

Let Obama go before the country and explain why the negotiated relief package was the most workable solution to the immediate crisis, and let him tear McCain limb from limb for having politicized this whole situation.

If Obama gets a solo performance at Oxford, Mississippi, so much the better chance for him to use it as a bully pulpit. He will look presidential and reassure the people. McCain will look like an idiot.

Posted by: jm917 | September 26, 2008 2:46 AM | Report abuse

Its obvious McCain's "help" wasn't needed in Washington. First they seem to have a deal, then he arrives, and it unravels (kind of like his campaign). Thanks for the help John. Call me a cynic, but I think this whole thing by McCain is ultimately a ploy to postpone or cancel the VP debate since its obvious that Palin isn't ready to pass the VP test. The first suggestion after "suspending" their campaign was try to conveniently postpone Friday's Pres. debate to the VP date and have the VP debate at a later, unspecified date. Obama wisely rejected a postponement saying a President should be able to multi-task.

Now, that he is backed into a corner and the economic rescue plan up in the air, I predict that McCain will skip the debate or he would look weak for going back on his word to stay in DC until the plan is done. To try and get out of that self inflicted damage, they will try to spin their way out of it (some variation of "Country First" crap). I also predict that they will again propose that the Pres. debate replace the VP date and postpone the VP debate to a later date.

If the McCain campaign is successful in this gambit and the debate commission buys this BS, my next prediction is that they will find a way to get her out of the debate altogether. Somehow, there's going to be "scheduling" problems or they'll say "there's only a few weeks for her to introduce herself to the American people" (you know, debates and interviews just take too much preparation, better to keep her in her cocoon).

Posted by: KipFromCalif | September 26, 2008 2:43 AM | Report abuse

We're having hundreds of people at the
Spitfire tomorrow night to watch the debate in Seattle.

Will McCain pull a no-show and show himself to be an Elitist who doesn't need our votes?

Or will he stumble after his recent stroke this week?

America will find out!

Posted by: WillSeattle | September 26, 2008 2:42 AM | Report abuse

“With new polls showing his campaign dead in the water among California Republicans, Arizona Sen. John McCain has pulled out of a long-scheduled debate with Texas Gov. George Bush, set for Thursday in Los Angeles. ”

--San Francisco Chronicle, Monday, February 28, 2000

***
It didn't help then; I don't think it will help now. Sorry.

Posted by: trevorkew | September 26, 2008 2:34 AM | Report abuse

I am 60 years old. I voted for Barry Goldwater and served in Vietnam. John McCain is a traitor to this country and a coward. And if you vote for him and that utterly useless twit named Sarah Palin . . . you are also a traitor and a coward. I did not see my friends die for the like of these cowards and traitors. if McCain/Palin is elected, my friends died in vain.

Posted by: notbuyinganyofit | September 26, 2008 2:28 AM | Report abuse

This may be bad timing for the McCain campaign to debate Obama, but McCain should not back out because now is not the best political time to debate his failed positions.

Posted by: truthforpeace | September 26, 2008 2:18 AM | Report abuse

Republicans have been making excuses for Bush since he was appointed to office 8 long years ago. If you watch or read Fox news, all they do is cry about how misunderstood the poor Republicans are. McCain is no different, he's scared to debate Obama, he picked a moron for a running mate, his fellow Republicans have put America back into an other huge tax payer bail out to cover up their thievery and good old McCain doesn't have a clue as to what's going on or how to stop it. When he gets asked answers by the press he just mumbles, he's lost. Obama must be grinning as McCain self destructs. Obama will destroy McCain in any debate on any subject. McCain has issues !!!!

Posted by: gatorsn09 | September 26, 2008 2:18 AM | Report abuse

This may be bad timing for the McCain campaign to debate Obama, but McCain should not back out because now is not the best political time to debate his failed positions.

Posted by: truthforpeace | September 26, 2008 2:17 AM | Report abuse


22 iraqi policemen were KILLED yesterday..

17 iraqi military were KILLED today..

despite how the bush admin tries to portray iraq as the new model democratic country in this world... it is all POLITICAL HYPE... as the death tolls seem to disagree..

the bush admin has NOT SOLVED ANYTHING in their 8 years...

so PLEASE do not fall for this BULLSH*T NOW THAT YOU MUST ACT *NOW* TO AVERT A DISASTER...

the only disaster in the making is bush's legacy.

Posted by: presGWBfanclub | September 26, 2008 2:11 AM | Report abuse

McCain delioberately sabotaged negotiations on what really was shaping up as a bipartisan attempt to resolve what may well be the worst economic crisis this country has faced since the first years of the Great Depression (that is, the period from October 1929-March 1933). The impending settlement was bipartisan in that it was being worked out, with hard bargaining but good will on both sides, between Paulson and Bernanke for the administration and Dodd and Frank for the Democratic Congressional majority. It also had Obama's backing, and was broadly consistent with the principles that Obama and McCain laid out.

McCain roared in to grandstand the whole shebang--obviously as a cover for his wish to get out of the impending debate--and found the Congressional Republicans refusing to buy the negotiated package. He could perhaps have been useful in bringing enough pressure to bear on the recalcitrant Republicans to deliver a healthy chunk of their votes, so that this doesn't end up looking like something the GOP can throw stones at as a "Democrat bad idea." (Notice how in his statement McCain reverts to using the "red meat" expression "Democrat Party.") Seeing his own party badly split, McCain is now taking their side and turning this into a hugely partisan issue that he thinks he can sell to scared and confused voters.

In other words, McCain has chosen to play with fire by stirring up the partisan dogs, not trying to get a handle on a major national--and indeed global--economic crisis.

Of course, McCain doesn't know squat about economics, banking, or anything else related to this issue, and he's siding with a Republican minority whose "six-point program," launched on Thursday evening, is plainly and ridiculously inadequate to solving this crisis.

McCain is playing a wholly dangerous and destructive game here, and I hope that Obama really unloads on him at the debate--whether McCain shows up at the last minute (which I doubt he'll do because he's engineered the very partisan deadlock that he claimed he was preventing) or Obama gets to turn the whole debate into a one-man appearance with Lehrer and the studio audience.

McCain is a master of just one thing--the clownish, frightening, and destructive arts of a practiced demagogue.

Thanks to McCain, don't be surprised if there's market crash on Monday, the likes that haven't been seen since October 1929.

God help this nation. God help the world.

Posted by: jm917 | September 26, 2008 2:08 AM | Report abuse

Oh one thing I think both sides of the blogs here should remember - even if the Laurel and Hardy (Bush/McCain) emergency meeting show passes anyone of any bill in any damn format or structure - this mess created will not be solved instantly - it is going to take not weeks or months but QUARTERS- maybe even all of 2009 to stop the hemmeraaging out there - the banks and brokers are shedding workers like a Alaskan huski - and they are not going to rush back next week no matter how much Mc cain pretends he saves the day from his old buddy playing bad guy Bush - this is not the final solution and you have a long way to go....

so one evening for a debate is not a problem or issue - he should be there - Do you really think he will be there nutting this out and solving it Friday night - more likely sitting around with Bush and his Repug neocon advisers and their bunnies in the White House dining room or some swank priavte booking restaurant...thats the reality of where he really will be - fall for this in 40 days and what God did with Noah about will look like pussy stuff....

Posted by: colinemery | September 26, 2008 2:05 AM | Report abuse

Tuscany: you have made your point and you're entitled to your opinion but multiple posts to express your outrage is a bit much. McCain from everything and anything that has been said has not done anything to move the gridlock along, on the contrary, according to those present (including Republicans). He has admitted that he knows nothing about economic issues and is just posturing for politics. I can understand his unwillingness to debate but to wrap himself up in a cloak of self-righteousness to cover up his weaknesses is despicable. These are serious times, and for a neophyte in finances to insert himself into talks like the proverbial fly in the ointment just for the sake of politics and to avoid defeat is truly pitiful. At best, he should be capable of multi-tasking, at worst...well, this is it....he does nothing at all....he doesn't pitch, he doesn't catch and he doesn't let the experts bat....what a loser.

Posted by: pulakimo | September 26, 2008 1:57 AM | Report abuse

Hey I was right - it is a repeat of a old script but this time Laurel and Hardy are working a different angle - MSM did you forget this flashback to 2000....

"With new polls showing his campaign dead in the water among California Republicans, Arizona Sen. John McCain has pulled out of a long-scheduled debate with Texas Gov. George Bush, set for Thursday in Los Angeles."
"McCain campaign officials tried desperately yesterday to put the best face on their withdrawal, even as a new Field Poll showed Bush far ahead among likely Republican voters in the winner-take-all race for the state's 162 GOP delegates."
"The bait and switch on the debate left the Arizona senator -- whose favorite campaign line is "I'll always tell you the truth'' -- wide open to blistering criticism from his rivals."
"Clearly, this is more double-talk from the McCain campaign,'' said Alice Mattingly, a spokeswoman for Bush. "Pulling out of this debate at the last minute is an indication that they're pulling out of California, where McCain's antagonistic message clearly isn't working.''
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2000/02/28/MN62687.DTL&hw=mccain+opinsky&sn=001&sc=1000

Only in the US falling for the same old trick over and over again..... like this one - The Keatng 5 - buster would have been proud..


http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/09/25/the-keating-five-scandal-in-97-seconds/

your democracy breaks me up....


Posted by: colinemery | September 26, 2008 1:51 AM | Report abuse

If that release - statement - note from the McCain camp is correct then the last two headline articles on the Washington Post are very very inaccurate...quotes and comments from both Dems and Repubs coming out and subsequant to the meeting being quoted by the Wash Post must then be complete lies...oh wait it is from the Mc Cain camp....Obama beware this is a last ditch attempt by the repugs to either entrap you and trick u - or try and get some momentum back.... but I think these dodgy old actors with a old script slightly tweaked are making it so obvious its B grade - like Revenege of the Nerds 7 (or Police Acadamy 6).

So he says in one breath he wants to work togther etc- but by all accounts flew in and blew up a plan many people from both sides had been working on and after saying he wanted to work with Obama adds a paragraph saying he derialed it.. I mean its a Bush/McCain set up...

So whilst the financial systems of the world are watchin waiting (Im in Oz - and the stock mkt is running off every dumb headline from over there) and seeing if you guys can save not only your own arse but the global capatilist system you love and pushed down everyones throat till we all choked and are now spewing it up - especially on Wall St...Mc Cain plays politics to try and get back in for 4 years - playing the old cowboy maverick who strolls in just as everyone was about to do some handshakes and pass the peace pipes - but shoots it away and then decalres no doubt he is the man to have saved the Lady (the good old USA)...Well if you fall for that you are gooing to end up like Phyliss Diller (sorry Phyliss loved your movies and show but you know that saying from back then)....

Sadly this election as I have always said froma diostance looks really like a race debate and IQ test - and the polls after the Palin launch indicates stupidity was winning....Now if Bush and McCain pull this off like Laurel and Hardy then you guys are the joke....save yourself USA dont fall for it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv6CRObROV0&feature=related

Posted by: colinemery | September 26, 2008 1:48 AM | Report abuse

Look on the bright side. As long as McCain's campaign is suspended, Rick Davis can go home and pick up a few side jobs with Freddie Mac. "Rickkkkeeeeyyy, Freddie called and asked if you can cut their lawn today."

Posted by: SharptonVoter | September 26, 2008 1:47 AM | Report abuse

As far as the "socialist" b.s. goes, I think O'Reilly said it best today (and it pains me to say that):

“Idiots. Idiots. Screaming at you ‘this is socialism.

This is this.

This is that.

It’s Clinton’s fault’.

It’s Clinton’s fault?

It’s Clinton’s fault?

Clinton hasn’t been in office in 8 years.

It’s Bush’s fault.

It happened on Bush’s watch.

You know, Bush could have prevented this.

He could have gone: Merrill Lynch is dealing in bad paper. He could have said that.

Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, they’re dealing in bad paper. So you the investor, don’t invest in those companies.

You think they would have continued to deal in bad paper?

But, let’s get back to this talk radio stuff.

These idiots, they’re misleading you. They’re LYING to you.

They’re rich these guys. Big cigars. All of that. Yeah, aw yeah, my private jet.

And they’re saying ‘No, No, No. No bail out.’ Ah uh, no way.

Hey you’re gonna get it. Not them.

That foreign investment pulls out: WE ARE TOAST.

And they’ll pull out if this bailout doesn’t happen.

Are you getting the message here?

Walk away from these liars.

These right wing liars.

Walk away from them.

They’re not looking out for you.

I don’t even wanna talk about the far left. Barney Frank. DISGUSTING. Pointing fingers. It’s YOU you big fat toad.

YOU, Frank.

YOU Dodd, sitting there BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. IT’S YOU DODD! YOU! YOU KNEW.

You got corruption on the right, and corruption on the left.

And who gets it?

You get it.

You the hard working person.

The next politician who gets up, I’m gonna go after them myself. SHUT UP! FIX IT! These are people’s lives.

I got enough money in the bank, OK? Unless the bank fails, I’m fine.

But you’re probably not fine. I’m lucky.

And I’m tired of these charlatans on both sides lying to you.”

Ditto-heads of the world UNITE. You want pure unfettered capitalism -- go to Russia.

Russia needs you!

Do your country a favor and LEAVE. Putin will love you guys.

He and Limbaugh would be pals, if it wasn't for the fact that King Ditto-head is such a doped up Sh-t-head. He makes millions playing suckers for fools. Putin will treat you idiots with the same contempt. He'll feed you all kinds of comforting lies. He'll tell you that you're smart -- and he'll be convincing -- even though he knows you guys are the worlds biggest sh-t heads.

O'Reilly was far too kind.

Posted by: JPRS | September 26, 2008 1:43 AM | Report abuse

McCain is looking like more of a senile joke everyday. And Sarah! OMG. Let's have the election next week and get on with life.

And to think there are still people who think McCain/Palin is a winning team. Wow.

Posted by: taid | September 26, 2008 1:40 AM | Report abuse

tuscany1 wrote, "When you are going through the biggest crises of the last 75 years, I think the nation can withstand postponing the debate for a week."

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actually tuscany.. it can't. this bailout is important, but nobody was asking mccain for his input. in fact, he has even stated that the economy is not his strength. the selection of the next president of the united states is of the utmost importance at this point, and for john mccain to be playing political games (which he has a history of doing) is not amusing.

in this case.. i would tell mccain/palin either PUT UP.. or SHUT UP.

this isn't a game. our country is in dire need of STRONG leadership. not political posturing.

Posted by: presGWBfanclub | September 26, 2008 1:40 AM | Report abuse

How can anyone vote for a person who picked Palin for v.p. the woman thinks since she lives next to Russia she has foregin policy experience, then this video: That was his first major decision and he did not do too well, don't you think? YOU REPUBLICANS?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2008/09/25/VI2008092502588.html?sid=ST2008092504011&s_pos=list

Posted by: jalehw | September 26, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

Hypocrites?

Let's see...how many Democratic primary debates were there? Was it 16? 17? I'm not sure, but I do know how many general election debates there have been: 0 (zero, none, nada, zilch).

So forgive me for my "hypocrisy" of wanting the presidential candidates to have at least ONE GODDAMN DEBATE before the election.

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Your problem is you are not just a hypocrite but also somewhat slow in your head.

There's 40 days left before the election. McCain is not asking for a cancellation. Simply for a postponement. See if you wrap your head around that.

When you are going through the biggest crises of the last 75 years, I think the nation can withstand postponing the debate for a week.

Posted by: tuscany1 | September 26, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

Obama is a man. And, he gave his word that he would be in Mississippi for the debate this Friday, September 26th, 2008. And the Nation expects him to be there whether McCain goes or not.

OBAMA: THIS IS YOUR CHANCE! SHOOT A 3 POINT BUZZER-BEATER. SLAM THE DUNK SHOT! THE BASKET IS WIDE OPEN AND THE OPPOSING TEAM JUST WALKED OFF THE COURT.

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Wow. Look at this madness, folks. Greatest crises the country has faced since The Great Depression and it is more important to debate.

These are the same people and Obama is the same person that endlessly mocked Hillary for demanding more one-on-one debates.

God save us from these rantheads. I can only hope the writer of the above post is more in his sunset than his sunrise years. We want this intellect to set as soon as possible.

Posted by: tuscany1 | September 26, 2008 1:29 AM | Report abuse

“If the American people ever allow the banks to control issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers occupied.” -Thomas Jefferson

Posted by: 10emlet | September 26, 2008 1:29 AM | Report abuse

‘When the government fears the people it is a democracy….when the people fear their government it is tyranny…’ — Thomas Jefferson

Posted by: 10emlet | September 26, 2008 1:27 AM | Report abuse

The socialists in Congress are faced with an interesting dilemma: do they compromise with the Republicans to get a bill passed so McCain has no debate excuse, or do they stick to their guns and perhaps make Obama look foolish?

My guess is they throw the Messiah under the bus, as they care a lot more about themselves than this interloping whippersnapper.

They'll still control Congress; and in four years, Clinton will almost certainly become President -- perhaps by proclamation.

Posted by: info42 | September 26, 2008 1:27 AM | Report abuse

Hypocrites?

Let's see...how many Democratic primary debates were there? Was it 16? 17? I'm not sure, but I do know how many general election debates there have been: 0 (zero, none, nada, zilch).

So forgive me for my "hypocrisy" of wanting the presidential candidates to have at least ONE GODDAMN DEBATE before the election.

Posted by: ComfortablyDumb | September 26, 2008 1:26 AM | Report abuse

I cannot believe it.

Bear Stearns, Countrywide financial, IndyMac, Fannie and Freddie Mac, Merrill Lynch, AIG, and now our largest thrift Washington Mutual just failed.

Congress is in a gridlock.

And there are actually some people here suggesting, it is better for our two most influential senators to be out running a campaign that has been running for two years now. That is nothing but theatrics, mudslinging, and gamesmanship now.

Yeah, folks. Your country is sinking. And it is better for two captains to debate over what, why, who is to blame for it. No, it cannot wait even a week. Precisely when your country is going through the largest financial crises in so many decades is the time to talk. Not one week later. Now.

!!!

Unbelievable.

Posted by: tuscany1 | September 26, 2008 1:26 AM | Report abuse

INSANE / PALIN 2008?

Honestly, is there ANYBODY in this country at this point who actually believes that McCain should be President?

Is McCain for real? We need leadership right now to get us out of this mess, not partisan bickering. The President, both sides of Congress, and Obama were on board. The proposal wasn't perfect but the details were being hammered out.

CREDIT IS THE LIFE-BLOOD OF A COUNTRY'S ECONOMY

If credit grinds to a halt, we will be a cash-only society. Cash-only society's are essentially third-world countries. Credit allows commerce to happen and creates opportunities.

There was a non-partisan dialogue between the President, Obama and both the Democrats and the Republicans of Congress. McCain injected partisan bickering into a crisis and he is now bringing the United States to its financial knees with small-minded thinking. Only the super-ultra-wealthy rich will survive this economic meltdown if McCain isn't stopped.

THE DEBATE

Obama is a man. And, he gave his word that he would be in Mississippi for the debate this Friday, September 26th, 2008. And the Nation expects him to be there whether McCain goes or not. This is an unprecedented opportunity for Obama to have practically unlimited access to the Nation's press corps! Obama is virtually unchallenged. McCain is scared to debate Obama. McCain has proven that he doesn't have the ability to multi-task in a crisis.

Obama can hold a Nationwide Press Conference at the exact time that the debate was supposed to take place. Millions of viewers want to hear from *SOMEBODY* who will provide Leadership for this country right now. Scores of Millions of viewers will be tuning in to see whether the debate is happening or not.

OBAMA: THIS IS YOUR CHANCE! SHOOT A 3 POINT BUZZER-BEATER. SLAM THE DUNK SHOT! THE BASKET IS WIDE OPEN AND THE OPPOSING TEAM JUST WALKED OFF THE COURT. AFTER 8 YEARS OF FAILED REPUBLICAN POLICIES, THEY CAN'T FACE THE MUSIC. YOU'RE THE LEADER OBAMA, GO FOR IT!

GOD BLESS AMERICA!


Posted by: dmmgba | September 26, 2008 1:20 AM | Report abuse

I learned at a very early age... you do not discuss sex, religion, and politics in the workplace.

I also learned over the years.. that you can not trust but half of what you see and nothing of what you hear. (That was taught to me by a Sgt-Major in the Army when I was a young officer in Vietnam.)

When something seems to good to be true... you better take a look at what you are seeing and what you are hearing.

I also learned that a REAL LEADER leads from the front not from the rear. A leader cares more for his troops than he does for himself. He puts the troops before himself and treats them with respect and dignity.

Does that apply in politics. In the majority of the cases I say NO WAY IN H-LL.

What we have saw in this Presidential Election... is the MSM supporting one candidate at the expense of Truth and Justice and other candidates.

Personally... I could care about the issues.. I care more about the person making those decisions. After seeing what the Bush administration has been allowed to do to the United States, I rate the current ranking Dems at a flat -25 on a scale of 1-100.

I see not leadership other than SELF FIRST, PARTY SECOND.. and the people are left somewhere way down on the list, and very little about duty, honor, country.

I applaud McCain.. because HE DID what I would have done in his place. IF this crisis is as bad as those JERKS on the HILL tells us... then this was a situation that to be campaigning and conducting debates was low on the priority list. I suspect that some Republicans on the Hill wanted McCain in their corner... because the Democrats were ramming this proposal down everyone's throat in an effort to get home by Friday, and make OBAMA look good because he had advanced knowledge of the proposal from Dodd, Reid, Franks and Pelosi.

I give McCain credit.

Obama on the other had... has been given a free ride since he arrived on the scene. The MSM is in his hip pocket.. He can do not wrong.. they want the American people to believe that he is the second coming of MLK and JFK. (And that is an insult to the memories of these two great men.)

Obama has no experience brokering this type of bill... because there is no one on the Hill that would give him the time of day... as a junior Senator. But as a candidate for President... they HAVE TO BOW DOWN TO THE KING.

His continuing to campaign, run his NEGATIVE ADS, and want to debate. When there is a WORLD CRISIS taking place in our financial market... demonstrates who and what is the most important thing in his universe.

It is not leadership.
It is not Truth.
It is not Justice.
It is Not the American Way
It is not Duty.
It is not Honor.
It is not Country.

Obama is for Self FIRST.
Obama is for HIS PARTY SECOND.
He is for winning at all costs.
He is for SELF WEALTH.
He is for Power.

You see when he proudly announced that he could multi-task, that he was in contact with all his cronies in DC.

"I told them, that IF THEY NEEDED ME, I would return to Washington." And he only
returned to Washington because the PRESIDENT requested that he be there.

That with all his lies about Wright, dis-information, lies and etc that he has told has firmly convinced me that. He is not the individual that I will want to call COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF.

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Good point.

Posted by: tuscany1 | September 26, 2008 1:19 AM | Report abuse

Ripley8, how did you dig that up? Amazing!

The Republicans created this mess, are asking the Democrats to fix it and now McCain says nothing all day today? He said he hadn't read Paulson's proposed bill on Tuesday!

This is a bill no one wants to have to pass - Democrats and Republicans. But the Bush White House has created a situation by their posturing that if this bill does not pass, we will have a depression. I mean, this is what the esteemed Sarah Palin said for God's sake!

McCain's a LIAR and PHONY!

Posted by: KAM3 | September 26, 2008 1:17 AM | Report abuse

pbarnett52:

A bit of truth:

1. McCain did not suspend his campaign. Ads were still running and campaign workers will still canvassing etc. Even McCain did not arrive at the Capitol until midday Thursday.

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Who the heck cares if the campaign is still running, if all those things are going on or not. Only a partisan hack would talk in such terms when the country is going down the flames.

The point is simply this:

Senators who are the de facto leaders of their party should be in Washington when one of the most consequential congressional actions in decades is being hammered out.

Anyone with an iota of intellectual honesty (that's obviously not your strong suite) would agree that we have been having this freakin campaigning for over two years now. When your ship is sinking, it is stupid, to go around saying things that we have heard about a 1000 times already. Who the heck cares about that crap.

Posted by: tuscany1 | September 26, 2008 1:16 AM | Report abuse

Its obvious McCain's "help" wasn't needed in Washington. First they seem to have a deal, then he arrives, and it unravels (kind of like his campaign). Thanks for the help John. Call me a cynic, but I think this whole thing by McCain is ultimately a ploy to postpone or cancel the VP debate since its obvious that Palin isn't ready to pass the VP test. The first suggestion after "suspending" their campaign was try to conveniently postpone Friday's Pres. debate to the VP date and have the VP debate at a later, unspecified date. Obama wisely rejected a postponement saying a President should be able to multi-task.

Now, that he is backed into a corner and the economic rescue plan up in the air, I predict that McCain will skip the debate or he would look weak for going back on his word to stay in DC until the plan is done. To try and get out of that self inflicted damage, they will try to spin their way out of it (some variation of "Country First" crap). I also predict that they will again propose that the Pres. debate replace the VP date and postpone the VP debate to a later date.

If the McCain campaign is successful in this gambit and the debate commission buys this BS, my next prediction is that they will find a way to get her out of the debate altogether. Somehow, there's going to be "scheduling" problems or they'll say "there's only a few weeks for her to introduce herself to the American people" (you know, debates and interviews just take too much preparation, better to keep her in her cocoon).

Posted by: KipFromCalif | September 26, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse

John McCain hasn't a clue about how to fix an economy that is utterly broken. The figure of $700 billion dollars is based on nothing. It is an attempt to grab whatever ready cash we can borrow, so that
George's buddies on Wall St. can cash out. He is a crook and a treasonous wretch. We don't need to bail anyone out. Let the banks who are subprime victim close up shop.. Give each American Citizen $750,00 dollars and you will see all debts erased and the economy suddenly liquid.

Posted by: gronamox1 | September 26, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse

As of Tuesday, John McCain had not even READ Paulson's plan. This stunt of his did nothing but disrupt the sensitive negotiations -- and now HIS CAMPAIGN is blaming the impasse on Democrats which you didn't hear about "blame" until McCain stuck his frankenstein mug into the mix. This guy is willing to screw the country rather than lose an election. Disgusting ... McCain First, Last and Always! And if you want a laugh, check this out;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN7hJDS26rI

Posted by: Omyobama | September 26, 2008 1:11 AM | Report abuse

In all this noise, the most concise way of putting it:

"Senators who are the de facto leaders of their party should be in Washington when one of the most consequential congressional actions in decades is being hammered out."

Case closed.

You are incredibly out of touch if you are still out there running your presidential campaign which is presently reduced to mudslinging and repetition of sound bites that we have been hearing from both candidates for about 2 years now.

And I am amazed at the hypocrisy of those who are saying debate, debate, debate. These hypocrites were exactly saying the opposite thing when Hillary was asking for more one-on-one debates. Moreover, it's not as if McCain is asking for a cancellation. He is merely asking for a postponement.

Posted by: tuscany1 | September 26, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

A bit of truth:

1. McCain did not suspend his campaign. Ads were still running and campaign workers will still canvassing etc. Even McCain did not arrive at the Capitol until midday Thursday.

2. All reports indicate that McCain said nothing at the meeting and has consistently failed to take a public position. He hasn't even read the Paulson outline.

What does this mean:

This is is a carnival stunt designed to grab headlines, sway malleable and uninformed voters while shoring up the right-wing base of the party. McCain acting only in his self-interest has put all of us at great financial risk. He is not facing mortgage foreclosure, he is not unemployed, he not without health care. All McCain thinks about is himself and his cars and homes.

McCain needs take his stunts back to the carnival side show from where he came.


Posted by: pbarnett52 | September 26, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

Michael43 wrote - "From what I've been reading Sen. Obama has been having daily lessons on foreign policy"
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Your reading abilities have let you down - that's "Failin' Palin" who has been having an immersion course in 'face time with them ferriners'. I guess 'seeing Russia from Wasilla' (don't think so, dearie) and bordering a small portion of Canada, just doesn't qualify some small-town untraveled person as having 'foreign policy experience'.

Posted by: 10emlet | September 26, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse

If that release - statement - note from the McCain camp is correct then the last two headline articles on the Washington Post are very very inaccurate...quotes and comments from both Dems and Repubs coming out and subsequant to the meeting being quoted by the Wash Post must then be complete lies...oh wait it is from the Mc Cain camp....Obama beware this is a last ditch attempt by the repugs to either entrap you and trick u - or try and get some momentum back.... but I think these dodgy old actors with a old script slightly tweaked are making it so obvious its B grade - like Revenege of the Nerds 7 (or Police Acadamy 6).

So he says in one breath he wants to work togther etc- but by all accounts flew in and blew up a plan many people from both sides had been working on and after saying he wanted to work with Obama adds a paragraph saying he derialed it.. I mean its a Bush/McCain set up...

So whilst the financial systems of the world are watchin waiting (Im in Oz - and the stock mkt is running off every dumb headline from over there) and seeing if you guys can save not only your own arse but the global capatilist system you love and pushed down everyones throat till we all choked and are now spewing it up - especially on Wall St...Mc Cain plays politics to try and get back in for 4 years - playing the old cowboy maverick who strolls in just as everyone was about to do some handshakes and pass the peace pipes - but shoots it away and then decalres no doubt he is the man to have saved the Lady (the good old USA)...Well if you fall for that you are gooing to end up like Phyliss Diller (sorry Phyliss loved your movies and show but you know that saying from back then)....

Sadly this election as I have always said froma diostance looks really like a race debate and IQ test - and the polls after the Palin launch indicates stupidity was winning....Now if Bush and McCain pull this off like Laurel and Hardy then you guys are the joke....save yourself USA dont fall for it

Posted by: colinemery | September 26, 2008 1:08 AM | Report abuse

Mcain = Don Quixote

Posted by: tktez | September 26, 2008 1:07 AM | Report abuse

JOHN MCCAIN WENT TO WASHINGTON TO DISRUPT THE SESSION.

Posted by: opp88 | September 26, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

Michael43 wrote - "From what I've been reading Sen. Obama has been having daily lessons on foreign policy"

Where did you read that ? And nasty foul mouth and disrespectful kids - That would be the mcCain campaign staff .

Posted by: tktez | September 26, 2008 1:01 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: prudencerussell..."WHETHER JOHN MCANCIENT SHOWS UP THERE AT THE DEBATE OR NOT, BARACK OBAMA WILL ADDRESS THE CROWD UNVEILING HIS PLAN OF THE BAILOUT. THIS IS WHAT EVERYBODY, AND THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE WATCHING THE DEBATE SUPPOSEDLY ON TV IS LOOKING FORWARD TO HEAR"
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If Obama is what he says he is,and going to bring change, why didn't he reveal his "plan today" and try to bring this mess to a close? From all media reports, he didn't have a whole lot of input either did he?????He had his chance today to try to help close this door and begin the process of recovery, but no he'll grandstand tomorrow and reveal nothing, as he always does!

Posted by: Frankie58 | September 26, 2008 1:01 AM | Report abuse

Is this a direct quote Chris?

"At today's cabinet meeting, John McCain did not attack any proposal or endorse any plan. John McCain simply urged that for any proposal to enjoy the confidence of the American people, stressing that all sides would have to cooperate and build a bipartisan consensus for a solution that protects taxpayers."

If so, should I be more concerned that sentence one indicates that his campaign does not know what a cabinet meeting is (vs a high level meeting in the cabinet room), or that sentence two is not actually a sentence? Which is worse? Ignorance or illiteracy?

Posted by: Left_of_the_Pyle | September 26, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

McCain has done the right thing. He was elected Senator and that is is job. He is the kind of Senator that can reach across the isle and get things done. It would be irresponsible for him to not go to congress and work after all he was elected senator for this and he draws a government salary for it. Sen Obama on the other hand has made a habit of not doing his job while collecting his salary.

As for his qualifications for a debate. From what I've been reading Sen. Obama has been having daily lessons on foreign policy as it is clear he doesn't stand a chance against McCain in this area. McCain has no fear of debating him.

My real concern is in reading the nastiness of the comments here. Just what kind of people does Obama represent. A bunch of nasty foul mouth and disrespectful kids?

Posted by: michael43 | September 26, 2008 12:50 AM | Report abuse

John McCain = FAIL

Posted by: summerfish | September 26, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

This is a bunch of crap. All news media have been reporting that McCain said basically nothing at the meeting. This has been a stunt by him to get the debate moved to the VP slot (which he suggested) because Palin is not ready to debate. He probably is not either. My suggestion is that if he does not show they force the VP's to take the slot which would be a fair switch. I wonder how McCain would react to that.

Posted by: Westmichigangrandma | September 26, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Instead of suspending his campaign why don't Mccain just drop out and do the World a favor.

As for Palin,
Someone dumber than Bush, Sarah Palin, will wonders ever cease.
But really the last 8 years of the Comedy Club is enough. Send this one back to Alaska.
Just tell her we need her more for watching the Russian border, she will never catch on !!

Posted by: savage10 | September 26, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

John McCain was a candidate that I felt would be second to Obama, but better than Bush.

I no longer have that confidence. In fact, I believe John McCain and the eminently unfit Sarah Palin pose a serious threat to our country.

McCain's adrenaline junkie behavior and Palin's vapid, parroted certitude are the last thing we need as a chaser to 8 excruciating years of Bush/Cheney.

Please, if you ever voted for Bush/Cheney, and you want to keep the string alive with McCain/Palin, do this country a favor and sit this one out. Your selections are killing this country.

Posted by: ldvisavis | September 26, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

McCain seems to have a hero complex. Perhaps he thinks he's the "Loan Ranger"?!!?

Posted by: mebertfreire | September 26, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

tuscany1 - many words - but total BS, I learned that from a Private in Vietnam. Rambling on about rat-s$it does nothing - You are either a fool or a neocon with lots of money (or maybe a racist from Kentucky), or perhaps born with a silver spoon in your A$$.

Your buddy, McGeritol, has no understanding of anything - his choice for VP proves that he is an impulsive idiot. Stop filling the "ether" with words that have no meaning and stop wasting people's time reading your swill.

McCan't will go down along with McPalin this November - Democracy rules - and your chumps running our government based on God's will and Wall Street lies will go down, too.

Vietnam Veteran for Obama/Biden
in New Mexico

Posted by: NMremote | September 26, 2008 12:28 AM | Report abuse

John McCain would have time for the debate if he weren't so darn busy appearing on all the news programs! He also could postpone some of his campaign staff meetings tomorrow (he had time for one today - some suspension).

Posted by: Cyclopsina | September 26, 2008 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Me too, in the same manner that they have suspended their campaign, I will stop pointing out facts that disprove their lies and incompetence and will only release comments and make posting on a regular basis.

Thereby suspending just as they have, in that their campaign ads still run and they still issue press statements, talking points appear on TV (except letterman) and send memos.

----wallygva wrote...
I am at this time announcing that I will suspend my practice of making comments about John McCain and Sarah Palin, about the miserable excuses for candidates that they have proven to be. I will not resume commenting until the threat of their establishing an Idiocracy has been eliminated.
....

Posted by: iambilco | September 26, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

McCain '08: Politics before country.

Posted by: JPRS | September 26, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Give McCain a break.

If he or Palin debate their opponents, folks will all too clearly see.

He has no choice.

Posted by: T-Prop | September 26, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

if McCain is any sort of a man and has any sense of leadership he will show up instead of Grandstanding again.

If need be both can fly to Washington after.

simple.

A real leader can and must be able to do more than one thing at once.

but ..........

McCain Avoiding The Debate?

McCain has pulled this stunt before....

With his poll numbers tanking, John McCain wants to pull out of the presidential debate. No, I'm not talking about tomorrow's debate with Barack Obama:

"With new polls showing his campaign dead in the water among California Republicans, Arizona Sen. John McCain has pulled out of a long-scheduled debate with Texas Gov. George Bush, set for Thursday in Los Angeles."
"McCain campaign officials tried desperately yesterday to put the best face on their withdrawal, even as a new Field Poll showed Bush far ahead among likely Republican voters in the winner-take-all race for the state's 162 GOP delegates."
"The bait and switch on the debate left the Arizona senator -- whose favorite campaign line is "I'll always tell you the truth'' -- wide open to blistering criticism from his rivals."
"Clearly, this is more double-talk from the McCain campaign,'' said Alice Mattingly, a spokeswoman for Bush. "Pulling out of this debate at the last minute is an indication that they're pulling out of California, where McCain's antagonistic message clearly isn't working.''
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2000/02/28/MN62687.DTL&hw=mccain+opinsky&sn=001&sc=1000
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And clearly, McCain has a habit of trying to "cut and run" when things aren't going his way.

Posted by: ripley8 | September 26, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Surely noone thinks the voters will buy into McCain's political ploy. Regardless of who you are supporting, no one can find a logical reason to cancel this debate. The question is, what is McCain's real reason for wanting to cancel...he is suggesting it be scheduled on the date of the V.P debate and that the V.P. debate be rescheduled for some unspecified time. Could it be that they do not want Palin to debate? After watching her interview with Catie Couric it is obvious the poor woman is not ready to be V.P. or even handle a debate at this point. Its sad that he would place her in the position of running mate when she is clearly not ready. It wasnt fair to her or to the country.

Posted by: Goose3 | September 26, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

America.....wake up.
John McStupid went to Washington and disturb the apple cart. Now....the bailout got stalled MORE FURTHER by his presence. Even his very own party said THEY WISH HE HAD NOT SHOWED UP THERE AT ALL. McAncient with the cooperation of George Bush is trying to derail the debate. Notice that McCain ask the President to hold a committee meeting with the presence of McStupid and Barack Obama. Guess what Geo Bush did...he went along with what McStupid ask him to do. They both showed up at the doorstep of the white house. McCain is definitely the 3rd Term of Geo. Bush, no doubt about it.
THE GOVERNOR OF MISSISSIPPI AND THE PRESIDENT IN CHARGE OF THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE IS NOT BACKING DOWN ON HOLDING THE DEBATE TOMMORROW. THEY ANNOUNCED THAT WHETHER JOHN MCANCIENT SHOWS UP THERE AT THE DEBATE OR NOT, BARACK OBAMA WILL ADDRESS THE CROWD UNVEILING HIS PLAN OF THE BAILOUT. THIS IS WHAT EVERYBODY, AND THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE WATCHING THE DEBATE SUPPOSEDLY ON TV IS LOOKING FORWARD TO HEAR.
Everybody should unanimously send individual e-mails prompting McCain to show up at the debate. Tell him that if he choose to ignore and face the American people, he also can forget his aspiration(s) to be President of this country.

Posted by: prudencerussell | September 26, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: saracooper | September 26, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

I thought McCain suspended his campaign. Where did this very partisan memo come from?

Posted by: bamccampbell | September 26, 2008 12:16 AM | Report abuse

McBush is just trying to delay the inevitable--- he is no match for a Harvard law professor with a Juris Doctor of law degree in Mr Obama. McCain is a poor debator and he graduated from the naval academy in the bottom 5% of his class. Let's face it- McBush has no plan, no skills, basically NO IDEA.

McBush makes it out that he "rushed" to Washington for an important meeting that he was supposed to 'lead' discussion on how to fix the economy -- the guy sat there in silence for 40 minutes!

WHY DON'T YOU STUPID PEOPLE THINKING OF VOTING FOR McBUSH GET IT? He is not about CHANGE. He's been in Washington for 26 years and has NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT.

Stop believing all the spin, hype and LIES emanating from the Republicans. They are the absolute wrong choice to lead the country.

A recent BBC survey of over 20,000 worldwide citzens found that over 90% of people want Obama as the next US president. The whole world can't be wrong!!

Vote Obama and get rid of these fat cat Republican clowns because they are embarrassing your country!

Posted by: kbuckingham777 | September 26, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Folks, the so-called memo pretends that McCain needs to stay in DC -- where he arrived Thursday afternoon-- because he is going to actually add something to the discussions.

Curious, because

1-- here's barely been here for two years
2 -- he's never served on a Banking Committee (and therefore knows nothing about the subject matter)
3 -- he didn't participate in the discussions to date, and is clearly not welcome to do so now
4 -- his one contribution at the WH today was to help trash the deal

So, what is he supposed to be doing here? What happened to his commitment to participate in the debate? And does he intend to reimburse the University of Mississippi the $5.5 million they spent on preparations if he fails to honor his commitment?

Posted by: thaimex | September 26, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Let's look at the recent political moves of the McCain camp.

1) On Wednesday, his advisors learn that the bailout negotiations in Washington are nearing a successful conclusion. They arrange for McCain to "rush" to Washinton so as to claim credit for the deal. They figure that he can then swoop into the presidential debate with a huge feather in his cap, after having been willing to "suspend" his campaign until an agreement could be reached - "country first" after all.
2) However, after observing Sarah Palin implode during preparations for her Wednesday evening Katie Couric interview, McCain's handlers figure a way to prevent the vice-presidential debate: McCain's dedication to solving the economic crisis will require that the presidential debate be rescheduled, replacing the VP debate. McCain cancels his appearance with David Letterman, and rushes over to the Katie Couric interview, intending to prevent a Palin meltdown by appearing jointly with her. But Katie isn't buying. Palin and McCain are interviewed separately and Palin, as expected, blows it.
3) Despite McCain's claims that he is urgently needed in Washington, he sticks around NY on Thursday to pick up a few political points at the Global Initiative conference.
4) By the time McCain reaches Washington, the bipartisan group of bailout negotiators announces that they've reached agreement on the general principals of the deal, denying McCain's ability to claim any credit. McCain hangs around Washington waiting for his photo op at the White House. Reporters trail him, but he doesn't seem to participate in the bailout effort.
5) The GOP goes to plan B. House Republicans sabotage the bipartisan deal, introducing a plan that diverts funds to insurance companies; provides tax breaks to businesses; and promotes further deregulation. McCain is believed to support the House Republican plan, setting back the bipartisan negotiating process and risking a market meltdown due to international loss of confidence in Washington's ability to solve the crisis.

Once again, Republicans put greed, politics, lies, and manipulation ahead of the American people they allegedly "represent". Even McCain's "Country First" slogan could not be further from the truth.

Posted by: bamccampbell | September 26, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Sound familiar?

“With new polls showing his campaign dead in the water among California Republicans, Arizona Sen. John McCain has pulled out of a long-scheduled debate with Texas Gov. George Bush, set for Thursday in Los Angeles. ”

Above is from the San Francisco Chronicle of 28 Feb 2000 (Monday - 3 days before the scheduled Thursday debate).

Posted by: 10emlet | September 26, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

I learned at a very early age... you do not discuss sex, religion, and politics in the workplace.

I also learned over the years.. that you can not trust but half of what you see and nothing of what you hear. (That was taught to me by a Sgt-Major in the Army when I was a young officer in Vietnam.)

When something seems to good to be true... you better take a look at what you are seeing and what you are hearing.

I also learned that a REAL LEADER leads from the front not from the rear. A leader cares more for his troops than he does for himself. He puts the troops before himself and treats them with respect and dignity.

Does that apply in politics. In the majority of the cases I say NO WAY IN H-LL.

What we have saw in this Presidential Election... is the MSM supporting one candidate at the expense of Truth and Justice and other candidates.

Personally... I could care about the issues.. I care more about the person making those decisions. After seeing what the Bush administration has been allowed to do to the United States, I rate the current ranking Dems at a flat -25 on a scale of 1-100.

I see not leadership other than SELF FIRST, PARTY SECOND.. and the people are left somewhere way down on the list, and very little about duty, honor, country.

I applaud McCain.. because HE DID what I would have done in his place. IF this crisis is as bad as those JERKS on the HILL tells us... then this was a situation that to be campaigning and conducting debates was low on the priority list. I suspect that some Republicans on the Hill wanted McCain in their corner... because the Democrats were ramming this proposal down everyone's throat in an effort to get home by Friday, and make OBAMA look good because he had advanced knowledge of the proposal from Dodd, Reid, Franks and Pelosi.

I give McCain credit.

Obama on the other had... has been given a free ride since he arrived on the scene. The MSM is in his hip pocket.. He can do not wrong.. they want the American people to believe that he is the second coming of MLK and JFK. (And that is an insult to the memories of these two great men.)

Obama has no experience brokering this type of bill... because there is no one on the Hill that would give him the time of day... as a junior Senator. But as a candidate for President... they HAVE TO BOW DOWN TO THE KING.

His continuing to campaign, run his NEGATIVE ADS, and want to debate. When there is a WORLD CRISIS taking place in our financial market... demonstrates who and what is the most important thing in his universe.

It is not leadership.
It is not Truth.
It is not Justice.
It is Not the American Way
It is not Duty.
It is not Honor.
It is not Country.

Obama is for Self FIRST.
Obama is for HIS PARTY SECOND.
He is for winning at all costs.
He is for SELF WEALTH.
He is for Power.

You see when he proudly announced that he could multi-task, that he was in contact with all his cronies in DC.

"I told them, that IF THEY NEEDED ME, I would return to Washington." And he only
returned to Washington because the PRESIDENT requested that he be there.

That with all his lies about Wright, dis-information, lies and etc that he has told has firmly convinced me that. He is not the individual that I will want to call COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF.

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I agree.

Posted by: tuscany1 | September 26, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

I think it's quite disconcerting to see that our country's finances are deteriorating by the minute and all we can do here is scream at each other. Washington Mutual just failed. And instead of the congress and the thinking public doing something about it all we can do is scream, scream, scream.

What sort of change is this?

What sort of politics of hope is this?

Exactly what would we lose if both Obama and McCain were to go to the senate and use their considerable influence to make compromises. I think we all would agree that these two are presently the ones with the most heft. What is gained by their being on the campaign trail? Exactly what is the country gaining by having them run around slinging mud on each other as they have been doing for the last few weeks. McCain's been around for 26 years and more. Obama's been running his presidential campaign for 2 years. Exactly what is the consequence of them getting off the campaign trail for a week when we are going through the worst financial crises since The Great Depression. If this unprecedented crises isn't the time for the most bipartisan members of the congress to be present then when? McCain has been such a member. McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy, McCain-Clinton - or does all that cease to count because McCain is now running for presidency. Is running for presidency such a corrupting influence? Or McCain so easily corruptible?

Frankly, Media needs to do some soul-searching - that is if they have a soul. It is frankly quite disenchanting to see the withering cynicism of some in the Media who refuse to consider the possibility of anything sincere in McCain's motives and is bent on dragging him over the coals on this issue. Politics has become nothing more than a sport and we are the ball that is getting chucked around. The Media seems to be doing their best to promote the most vicious cynicism. This is exactly the reason why so many Americans don't vote.

Many are saying that McCain/Obama presence in capitol hill will endanger the process by bringing presidential politics into it. The implication is that if they were to come while they are running for presidency they will bring fatal presidential politics along with them, but if they were to come their as presidents then, well, there will be much more comity then. Nonsense. As if otherwise capitol hill has been such a functioning body. As if there hasn't been suffocating gridlock over the last so many years.

Posted by: tuscany1 | September 26, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Really townhalls are filled with ringers. You mean Obama's townhall meetings are doing that tellthetruth01. Well you would think if they both were at one together we still would see some good questions on both sides. But because of Obama we will never know.

Posted by: TheoriginalMoniker | September 25, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

I learned at a very early age... you do not discuss sex, religion, and politics in the workplace.

I also learned over the years.. that you can not trust but half of what you see and nothing of what you hear. (That was taught to me by a Sgt-Major in the Army when I was a young officer in Vietnam.)

When something seems to good to be true... you better take a look at what you are seeing and what you are hearing.

I also learned that a REAL LEADER leads from the front not from the rear. A leader cares more for his troops than he does for himself. He puts the troops before himself and treats them with respect and dignity.

Does that apply in politics. In the majority of the cases I say NO WAY IN H-LL.

What we have saw in this Presidential Election... is the MSM supporting one candidate at the expense of Truth and Justice and other candidates.

Personally... I could care about the issues.. I care more about the person making those decisions. After seeing what the Bush administration has been allowed to do to the United States, I rate the current ranking Dems at a flat -25 on a scale of 1-100.

I see not leadership other than SELF FIRST, PARTY SECOND.. and the people are left somewhere way down on the list, and very little about duty, honor, country.

I applaud McCain.. because HE DID what I would have done in his place. IF this crisis is as bad as those JERKS on the HILL tells us... then this was a situation that to be campaigning and conducting debates was low on the priority list. I suspect that some Republicans on the Hill wanted McCain in their corner... because the Democrats were ramming this proposal down everyone's throat in an effort to get home by Friday, and make OBAMA look good because he had advanced knowledge of the proposal from Dodd, Reid, Franks and Pelosi.

I give McCain credit.

Obama on the other had... has been given a free ride since he arrived on the scene. The MSM is in his hip pocket.. He can do not wrong.. they want the American people to believe that he is the second coming of MLK and JFK. (And that is an insult to the memories of these two great men.)

Obama has no experience brokering this type of bill... because there is no one on the Hill that would give him the time of day... as a junior Senator. But as a candidate for President... they HAVE TO BOW DOWN TO THE KING.

His continuing to campaign, run his NEGATIVE ADS, and want to debate. When there is a WORLD CRISIS taking place in our financial market... demonstrates who and what is the most important thing in his universe.

It is not leadership.
It is not Truth.
It is not Justice.
It is Not the American Way
It is not Duty.
It is not Honor.
It is not Country.

Obama is for Self FIRST.
Obama is for HIS PARTY SECOND.
He is for winning at all costs.
He is for SELF WEALTH.
He is for Power.

You see when he proudly announced that he could multi-task, that he was in contact with all his cronies in DC.

"I told them, that IF THEY NEEDED ME, I would return to Washington." And he only
returned to Washington because the PRESIDENT requested that he be there.

That with all his lies about Wright, dis-information, lies and etc that he has told has firmly convinced me that. He is not the individual that I will want to call COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF.

Posted by: miller51550 | September 25, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

I posted this item this morning before registration shut me out as Moniker. It seems to me this comment may have been the cause. First posted on Wag the Blog: A Presidential Staring Contest
"The most thoughtful (read: not rankly partisan) comments will be excerpted in a post of their own later this week."

I hope so!

On the one hand McCain risked being accused of playing politics. But Obama blew a chance to do a Presidential thing. Americans know these to are not directly involved in hammering out the details of this 700 billion dollar rescue plan. But McCain and Obama are the leaders of their respective parties. If they are leaders they both can work behind the scenes to push this Bail out to pass. To say "call me if you need me" or "America needs to see a single debate on time is short-sighted or "Vanity". It is clear McCain is risking alot. People down in the polls do not suspend campaigns or delay debates. This is not about multi-tasking either. Obama is the first guy to have to admit he can't do Townhalls with McCain and campaign at the same time. If so there would be no issue with America seeing these two together now.

Posted by: Moniker | September 25, 2008 9:43 AM

Posted by: TheoriginalMoniker | September 25, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

This is why McCain pretended to suspend his failing campaign:


McCain graduated at the bottom of his class and he is up against a guy (Obama) who TEACHES CONSTITUTIONAL LAW on top of all his rhetorical skills, personal charisma and deep, deep reserves of just freaking cool.


McCain finally woke up to the reality that he is going to look like the utter fool that he is and he wants out, the game ain't no fun any more.


That flip flopping you see? Its not just an old man changing his mind, its the kind of flip flopping that a fish does when you haul it out onto the deck, just before you beat its brains in with a club.


McCain has finally got it that he is turning up to a gunfight with a pen knife.


A closed one.


Rusted shut.


Two words for him and his vile freaking crowd of Rethuglicans.


NO

MERCY


Take them down all the way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxT0s_I5WtA
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Posted by: DrainYou | September 25, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Who does he think he is fooling? Anyone with half a brain and is 2% objective knows Mcsame is running from Obama and will attempt any ploy to change the subject useing distractions, telling lies and changing positions daily.

Posted by: maat523 | September 25, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Town Halls are notorious for campaigns inviting questioners who are ringers for their candidate. The direction of the country--and its well-being, it would seem--are at stake. This election is too serious to trust to planted questions about flag lapel pins, being a POW, and how many homes one owns.

What more important thing could someone who wants to be in charge of this nation do than show up to explain his positions and vision for the country?

The debate has been planned for over a year. If you can't honor the voters by explaining what you want to do while you're *on their dime* for the next four years, drop out of the race.

Posted by: tellthetruth01 | September 25, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

What did McCain do at the meeting? What did he say? I think we're entitled to know since his hoax exploits a national crisis.

Posted by: PA_DC | September 25, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

No no no, Palin McCain just cannot send Palin to substutute for him. Palin will be busy brushing up her foreign policy credentials by meeting foreign leaders at the Madame Tussaud Wax Museum!

Posted by: TaoZen | September 25, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

OK- I read the memo. Is it too soon to bring back the "lipstick on a pig" line?

Posted by: jhherring | September 25, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Obama needs to do townhalls now that he is such a good multi-tasker. Oh wait he is the guy who said he could not campaign and do Townhalls with McCain at the same time.

Posted by: TheoriginalMoniker | September 25, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: tuscany1 | September 25, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

That press release reminds me of the statements about the "Glorious revolution" and the "motherland".

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Posted by: tuscany1 | September 25, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

"At today's cabinet meeting, John McCain did not attack any proposal or endorse any plan. John McCain simply urged that for any proposal to enjoy the confidence of the American people, stressing that all sides would have to cooperate and build a bipartisan consensus for a solution that protects taxpayers."

In other words, he contributed nothing of substance. Let me tell you, I'm so relieved he suspended his campaign to be there; I was getting worried the nation's Strategic Platitude Reserve might run dry.

Posted by: mbnino | September 25, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: tuscany1 | September 25, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

For the thinking people...
Unlike the mediocrity you get out here on WP. This article is not as such pro/anti McCain. Just a thoughtful, evaluation of the situation. The sort of common sense incisiveness the frantic writers of Washington Post have ceased to be....

McCain Plays It Like McCain By Jay Cost.

There has been a lot of discussion about McCain's decision to suspend his campaign. I'll toss in my two cents.

I do not think it is a purely political move, a stunt or ploy designed only to advance McCain-Palin's message. The politics of it are too complicated for anybody to predict what will happen - which means that McCain is taking a risk. Few stunts are actually risky; they just appear to be.

I see two serious dangers for McCain. The first is with the images. The second is with the tricky assignment of credit.

First, one reason members of Congress do not typically get elected to the presidency is that, whereas the President seems big, Congress seems small. Congress is not a national body, per se. Rather, it is the meeting place of representatives from the various parts of our nation. Nobody in Congress is responsible to the nation at large. Instead, each is responsible to just a small slice of it. It's a fallacy of composition to believe that because each member of Congress tends a parcel of the nation, the whole Congress tends the whole nation.

This invariably shows through in the images we see of Congress in operation. Contrast your mental pictures of Congress with your pictures of the President, and you'll see what I'm driving at. Congress is not the place you want to put your presidential candidate 40 days before the election. The images might work for McCain if Congress had a prime minister position that McCain could effectively inhabit for the period of this "crisis." But there is no such role. So, by going back to Congress, McCain runs the risk of looking like he belongs there and not in the White House.

Second, an important element to the congressional dynamic is the assignment of credit and the avoidance of blame. Why is it that all of the legislators who have had a hand in this mess can preen about how awful it is? It has to do with the way Congress is organized. Blame is very diffuse - not just in terms of appearances, but also in actual governance. You can never blame just one member of Congress for bad policy. You have to blame dozens, sometimes hundreds, in both chambers and both parties. That means that individual members can avoid taking blame.

The same goes with credit. When Congress does something good, it is often because of a "team effort" across chambers and parties. There is rarely one person who demonstrably makes the difference. The causal chain is quite blurry. This is an important point to understand when teasing out the implications of McCain's situation. Because the assignment of credit is fuzzy and subjective, it is political. So, members of Congress can find themselves in a fight over who gets it. This is not the case all the time. Frequently, there is enough credit to go around. But sometimes there isn't enough - which means that you're likely to see a political fight, with opposing factions looking to take credit for themselves or assign the blame to others.

This is where McCain might run into trouble. By going to Washington, he has injected himself into this process, and thus opened himself up to the rhetorical attacks we are now hearing from Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. They are setting the stage for denying McCain credit for any deal that is brokered. If they are successful, McCain could be seen as an impediment regardless of whatever real help he might have given. Of course, just as the Democratic leadership will be working to keep McCain from getting credit, the Republican leadership will be doing precisely the opposite.

Accordingly, we should appreciate the risk in McCain's move. It is a benefit to him if and only if he is seen to have been a positive force. So, McCain's fortunes rest in part on the results of the unpredictable partisan back-and-forth over who should have the credit. And even if McCain does accrue some credit, he still runs the risk of seeming like a "small" member of Congress again.

The uncertainty of this situation makes me suspect that this was not done exclusively for strategic campaign considerations. Some have called it a desperate hail Mary - a risky gambit taken because the "bottom is dropping out." But that requires a pretty tendentious look at the polls. Five of the ten polls in the RCP national average show McCain down by three points or less. Gallup has a tie today. That is not consistent with the "bottom dropping out."

Instead, I suspect that, as with the Palin pick, this is McCain being McCain. He didn't like the situation. So, he did something. We've seen him do stuff like this again and again over the years. Lieberman gave the best description of McCain at the Republican convention: he's a restless reformer. I think that McCain being McCain, he felt restless - so he went to Washington to do something.

Regardless of how we might feel about his decision - we can agree that McCain has once again affected the race by his actions. This is the second time he has done this in a month. It's become an ironic feature of this campaign. While most agree that the election will hinge upon public considerations of Barack Obama, so much of the campaign itself has hinged upon the actions of John McCain.

Posted by: tuscany1 | September 25, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is a duplicitous coward.

Nuff said.

Posted by: rebeccajm | September 25, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

snman37922 really name a recent example of this backbone when it concerns Barack Obama. Olberman aka Obamaman should have plenty of examples of scrutiny concerning Obama. Right?

Posted by: TheoriginalMoniker | September 25, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

everything seemed to be going swimmingly in washington with the bailout UNTIL mccain showed up, then it tanked. coincidence????

if he does not show up at the debate tomorrow night, then obama will enjoy a couple hours of free tv time, spent productively with unscripted voters in a townhall style event. and he'll get to talk about whatever they ask which will be, guess what?, the economy, stupid. obama will basically have two hours to lay out his plan, and mccain will be finished.

therefore i hope he does not show.

Posted by: wickerparkbob | September 25, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Okay, Republicans just walked out of negotiations, so now what?

Tomorrow look for McCain to arrive on a white horse to save the day just in a time for him to make it to Mississippi for the debate.

Following there will be a parade. The Hendersons will all be there
Late of Pablo-Fanques Fair, what a scene
Over men and horses hoops and garters
Lastly through a hogshead of real fire!
In this way John McCain will challenge the world!

Posted by: KBecker231 | September 25, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

John Chicken-Heart McCain. Could be flashbacks you know, the word "interrogation" probably gives him headaches. Look folks, he isn't going to debate for the simple reason that we're on the verge of an economic tsunami and the only thing he has to offer is a dingy with a hole in it. He's lost. He's dangling like a tire swing in a hurricane. He won't debate because he has NOTHING to offer and because he is chickensh*t.

Posted by: medogsbstfrnd | September 25, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Listen Mr., we take this election serious and when McCain and Palin won't open up to the press and give us some idea of who we are voting for, then they haven't earned our votes or our respect. I'm proud of most of the press for getting backbone this election.

Posted by: TheoriginalMoniker

"There needs to be a total rejection of the media's chosen one Barack Obama. but This Olberman aka Obamaman as many here have dubbed him is the Diane Diamond of politics. David Letterman had this biased anchor on for his hatred of McCain. This media is really blatant and the only way to stop this from happening ever again is to reject Obama. You don't have to vote for McCain but if you don't vote for Obama the media will not pull this crap again for sure."

Posted by: snman37922 | September 25, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Can't McCain just sent Palin? She was winging it around New York today, conflating Iraq with 9/11.

She could babble incoherently just as well as Johnny McLiar.

Posted by: truth2 | September 25, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

There needs to be a total rejection of the media's chosen one Barack Obama. but This Olberman aka Obamaman as many here have dubbed him is the Diane Diamond of politics. David Letterman had this biased anchor on for his hatred of McCain. This media is really blatant and the only way to stop this from happening ever again is to reject Obama. You don't have to vote for McCain but if you don't vote for Obama the media will not pull this crap again for sure.

Posted by: TheoriginalMoniker | September 25, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

So... McCain spent years in Hanoi but is afraid of Jim Lehrer?

Posted by: fake1 | September 25, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

McCain has no shame. He puts his ambition to become President against the best interests of the country. I don't like bailing out Wall Street either, but I don't want the economy screeching to a halt. But then I don't have 7 homes and a rich wife. And he can't even spare a few hours to go to Mississippi and explain how he's saving us all from economic catastrophe. Some maverick.

Posted by: minimlst | September 25, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Politicizing a national crisis. Nice legacy, John. And no one, not for a second, believes that you couldn't make it to the debate tomorrow, if you so desired. This is a double ploy... first, to avoid debating this week when his polling numbers are heading straight down; and second, to reschedule Palin's debate with Biden indefinitely. This whole thing makes McCain look like a loser, not a leader.

Posted by: DogBitez | September 25, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PA_DC

“Did anyone see Sarah Palin on Katie Couric? It was so absolutely retarded that it frightened me. I can not believe McCain chose this woman. Katie was trying not to laugh in her face!!”

Here’s the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv6CRObROV0&feature=related

This reminds me of “are you smarter than a fifth grader”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEP7uti0PDw

Posted by: snman37922 | September 25, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

McCain isn't even trying to lead anyone anywhere so he can reach a deal. No one even knows whether he supports the compromise reached before he got there, or the ridiculous house republican alternative that Paulson says won't work at all, because he hasn't had time to tell us what his position is. one can only conclude that he doesn't want to debate, and wants to maneuver to cancel Palin's debate somehow, because someone is bound to ask her if she was serious about Putin's plane using Alaskan airspace to get to the US being serious foreign policy experience

Posted by: JoeT1 | September 25, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

What a complete meltdown.

Is there ANY precedent for this sort of thing in a general election Presidential debate?

Maybe a ventriloquist can do McCain's part.

Posted by: ElrodinTN | September 25, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

McCain runs and hides, "Save me, Bush!!" He absolutely punks out when he sees his campaign on fire and crashing (like the five planes he wrecked during his Navy career).

Man up, McCain and stop hiding behind Mommy/Cindy/Palin skirts!

Posted by: meldupree | September 25, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

presGWBfanclub: Your post had me dying laughing. That script needs to be done on SNL. "Please McCain!! Just G-O...Go!!"

ryanr007: I saw that too! She is WORSE, far far worse than we had imagined. They need to put her back in the cave.

Posted by: PA_DC | September 25, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Slate predicts McCain's next 10 Hail Mary campaign stunts:

http://www.slate.com/id/2200927/?from=rss
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1) Returns to Vietnam and jails himself.

2) Offers the post of "vice vice president" to Warren Buffett.

3) Challenges Obama to suspend campaign so they both can go and personally drill for oil offshore.

4) Learns to use computer.

5) Does bombing run over Taliban-controlled tribal areas of Pakistan.

6) Offers to forgo salary, sell one house.

7) Sex change operation.

8) Suspends campaign until Nov. 4, offers to start being president right now.

9) Sells Alaska to Russia for $700 billion.

10) Pledges to serve only one term. OK, half a term.

Posted by: DrainYou | September 25, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

I suspect old man McCain will show up for the debate proclaiming he once again saved America just like he did some 40 years ago.

Thsi is all a game by old man McCain to get under Obama's skin and also to get some headlines. So far it looks like the old man is failing on all accounts.

Posted by: NewEra | September 25, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

McCain has a history of canceling debates when he thinks he will lose or has nothing to gain.

If you get the chance, Google his California Debate cancellation in 2000.

This is a shoot from the hip stunt that will back fire.

Posted by: swalker3 | September 25, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse


mccain is an idiot. i don't really think having him not attend the debate will make any difference. if mccain is too friggin much of a wuss to debate obama.. well, it's good to find this out now. i certainly don't want some frightened little girl running this country.

tomorrow night they can just set a little fat rock up on mccains podium.. and then let jim lehrer ask the rock questions.

i doubt anyone will even notice john mccain's missing. if anything.. the rock's answers will make more sense.

so, obama gets a free 90 minute interview with a pbs host in front of a national audience.

i have absolutely no problem with that.

Posted by: presGWBfanclub | September 25, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

McCain back in DC with Lieberman directing his every move...I thought Palin was his veep? Why isn't Palin advising him? Why is Lieberman acting as his Veep? Has he all but dumped Palin since she's now dropping in the polls and can't be depended on to give an open interview?

Oh yes, back to the subject. McCain is still just a Senator and he's not even the leader of his own party in the Senate. This is bogus just to get out of a debate he’ll not win (cut and run) and playing politics with the Wall Street crisis. To many key players in this, Lieberman and Bush, that have a vested interest in McCain winning and these same two working in what seems to be a coordinated effort with the McCain campaign.

Posted by: snman37922 | September 25, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone see Sarah Palin on Katie Couric? It was so absolutely retarded that it frightened me. I can not believe McCain chose this woman. Katie was trying not to laugh in her face!!

Posted by: PA_DC | September 25, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse


john mccain; a legend in his own mind.

i am john mccain, and i approve this message.


Posted by: presGWBfanclub | September 25, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

What a pathetic peace of shiet...I wish the focus wasn't so much on the crises and McCain's cowardice just so more people could've heard Palin's interview with Katie Couric...ohhhhhhh my lord this woman is an idiot. I almost died laughing listening to her explain why her being close to Russia gives her foreign policy experience.

Posted by: ryanr007 | September 25, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

McCain's memo:

"I will not be available for a debate until I have worked out a rescue package for my candidacy."

Posted by: treetopflyer | September 25, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

I am reminded of Jimmy Carter's decision to basically stay in the White House until the hostage crisis was solved; he was there a long time.

Reagan rightly showed that putting your head in the sand at a time of crisis is not the way to be effective.

McCain should remember remember this little bit of history.

Posted by: JAMESOC | September 25, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

could you imagine the republican reaction if obama were grandstading as mccain is?

the republicans are increasingly repugnant -

Posted by: muslit | September 25, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

McCain is an embarrassment of epic proportions. To use this crisis to try to prop up his campaign is despicable. This transparent political posturing is disgusting. I deserve the opportunity to see this debate--especially as a taxpayer that is now an investor in multiple failed investment banks and insurance companies.

I would have never voted for McCain, because I don't agree with his policies. Now, he is making it ever difficult to even respect him.

Posted by: DinahS | September 25, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

mccain campaign; senator mccain will not be attending the debate. he is needed in washington.

bush; no, it's all right.. go to the debate john...

mccain; no, you need me.

bush; no we don't. honest! ask boehner.

mcain; no, you need me. i can tell.

pelosi; please john. we can get by without you. go to the debate.

mccain; my country needs me.

boehner; it's okay senator. we can get by without you.

mccain; you are just trying not to make me feel guilty.

reid; seriously john.. we don't need you.

mccain; yes you do.

bush; bush. do NOT come to washington!

mccain; i'll be there with bells on.

bush; forget the friggin bells! WE DON'T WANT YOU!

bernanke; what's with this moron? doesn't he get it? we don't want him here.

paulson; he must be a little.. you know.. funny in the head.

boehner; maybe we can get the fcc to ground his plane.

rice; or maybe we can move this meeting to a secret site.

mccain; you people need me! i am honored!

bernanke; he's a friggin loon.

reid; we can always call cindy and have her come and get him.

bush; that's a good idea. get her on the phone.

rice; what's her number?

pelosi; i have it. i had to call her once before when john was out of line.

mccain; you need me. i am awesome.

Posted by: presGWBfanclub | September 25, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

McBush is running like a COWARD from the debate because HE WILL GET SLAUGHTERED and he knows it ! !

His mercurial management style is now coming back to haunt him, and it is just a matter of time before he goes off in front of a camera somewhere ! !


Posted by: swanieaz | September 25, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

What I think this is about is that Sen. McCain will now wish to "postpone" Sarah Palin's debate and have the presidential debate on that date. This way they can prevent her from being accountable a bit longer. Seems transparent to me.

Posted by: croison | September 25, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

So a week ago the fundamentals were strong, but now we can't even spare 90 mins for a debate?

Posted by: chadwapo | September 25, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

McBush is running scared!! He knows he will get beat on Friday night and he is running like a real COWARD ! !


Posted by: swanieaz | September 25, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Say what!? McCain is scared to death of debating. this is insane.

I've never heard of a candidate skipping a debate.

This is wacko.

Posted by: Snakeheader | September 25, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

I am at this time announcing that I will suspend my practice of making comments about John McCain and Sarah Palin, about the miserable excuses for candidates that they have proven to be. I will not resume commenting until the threat of their establishing an Idiocracy has been eliminated.

Posted by: wallygva | September 25, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Boxer from Cal put it best. Mccain has his blanket and is hiding in the corner.

Posted by: popasmoke | September 25, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

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