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Democratic Debate Preview: Do or Die for Clinton?


DES MOINES -- Beset by stories -- thanks for nothing Billy Shaheen and Bill Clinton -- that play into a narrative that her campaign is panicking, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) takes to the debate stage this afternoon with her last, best chance to regain the momentum in the Iowa caucuses.

Clinton herself has remained a steady presence on the trail but as the race has narrowed here in Iowa as well as in other key early states like New Hampshire and South Carolina, her campaign has struggled to stay on message. With just three weeks (can you believe it?) remaining before Iowans caucus, Clinton can't afford to sacrifice a single day going forward.

That starts with today -- arguably the most critical one in Clinton's political life. All eyes will be on her to see how she handles herself. Does she attack Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) directly? And, if so, on what issues? Inexperience? Inconsistency? Should Clinton go down that road, you can expect Obama to hit back hard -- condemning her negative tactics as the sort of status quo politics he is trying to change.

Clinton could also be hampered in her attempts to draw contrasts with Obama by the debate format; if it's anything like yesterday's Republican "debate," there will be few opportunities for any meaningful back and forth between the candidates.

The debate starts at 2 p.m. Eastern Time (1 p.m. here in Des Moines). We'll be watching closely and will offer our winners and losers following the event. Feel free to make your own predictions for what Clinton will say today and whether it will work. Also, you can now chat live with one another as the debate unfolds thanks to our new Yaplet feature.

By Chris Cillizza  |  December 13, 2007; 1:00 PM ET
Categories:  Eye on 2008  
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Comments

That cackle which she uses to intervene does not serve Hillary well in a debate. Luckily for her, it doesn't seem to occur when she is speaking.

Posted by: FirstMouse | December 15, 2007 8:48 AM | Report abuse

"But that's not what's happening here. The Fed also acts as a 'borrower of last resort' for banks. They're trying to free up the money supply by making sure money is available to borrowers. Perhaps someone like JD can offer more insight into the process. But this is not a 'bailout' or 'welfare' in the sense that money is being handed out for free.

Posted by: bsimon | December 13, 2007 04:33 PM

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right.China owns us due to the republcains war. Tehy're so happy about the econmoy. Last month when citi was sinking like a rock, who bailed them out? Teh neighbors of saudi arabia. Great idea republcains. Sell us out to the saudis and china. That's the ticket. They have america's best interests at heart. Are you now seeing the gop is in with the enemies of america?

Posted by: JKrishnamurti | December 13, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse

For anyone that watched teh debate last night. Was it hysterical to anyone else to see republcains whine and complain abou the moderator. Stitches. Their all about how the questions are franed so they cannot answer or wiggle out. Cowards, no wonder they are done. Stark contrast to the dem debate. Anyone whining and compline about the questions or moderators? Now you see why republcians can only go on fox. Nobody else is buying what they're selling

Posted by: JKrishnamurti | December 13, 2007 4:56 PM | Report abuse

"In today's debate, from what I'm seeing the moderator seems to be trying harder today to press the candidates to defend their records. Bill Richardson just got hit with the WenHo Lee issue..of course he just reverted back to his humble "I'm not perfect" act. If this is do-or-die for Clinton, I'd say she's dying.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | December 13, 2007 03:18 PM
"

If you can't take questions for demcorats, how are you goign to fight AQ. Hypocrites much?

Posted by: JKrishnamurti | December 13, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

"ANd where do you suppose THAT money comes from? The Easter Bunny? Nope. The taxpayer"

dON;'T you know drindl. It's for the dems to build teh surplus. Its for teh r's to spend on defense only. Our tax dollars are only for world wide domination only. Our tax dollars should not be used on america. Our tax dollars should be used to build other countries econmoic capacity then defend it. Also our tax dollars should be funneled to republcain stoolies. That is the purpuse of tax dollars. How naive of liberals to want to use their tax dollars to improve their own country,

Posted by: JKrishnamurti | December 13, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

As an Iowan, I can tell Hillary what she needs to do to stop her slide. Dispense with the scripted town meetings, the planted questions, the carefully managed interaction between her and the voters. The orchestrated Obama gossip.

I don't worry about this helping her because I doubt she'll abandon her slick campaign machine to reach out and really touch the voters. She, and her campaign, are tightly wound.

Biden suggested that "Iowa should remain the first in the nation, otherwise it goes to money".... and, we already have enough all of government that corporate money can buy.

I could sleep at night if he and McCain are the candidates.

http://whathappenedtomycountry.blogspot.com

Posted by: Truth_Hunter | December 13, 2007 4:48 PM | Report abuse

another post on the money supply. The Beeb has a helpful article explaining the situation:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7141934.stm

Basically the central banks are trying to keep the global economy moving by lending to banks at favorable interest rates. Normally banks borrow from one another, but the recent & ongoing fallout from the subprime debacle has apparently made banks untrusting of each other. If Bank A can't be sure that Bank B doesn't have a huge pending loss on its books, Bank A won't loan money to Bank B. Now Bank B can go to a central bank for the loan instead, keeping cash flowing through the system.

Posted by: bsimon | December 13, 2007 4:47 PM | Report abuse

If al gore can attain carbon neutrality despite his jets and mansions what can bubba do despite his interns?

A Web site is offering people the chance to offset their infidelity by paying random strangers to remain faithful in a satirical bid to highlight its view of carbon offsetting as an ''inadequate'' and ''misguided'' response to climate change. Users can freely sign up to become a Cheatneutral ''project'' /snip/ Or they can offset their own cheating by sponsoring a ''project'' with a one-time $2.21 payment.

Posted by: kingofzouk | December 13, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I only caught one thing that stood out for me--The Energy question where Obama stated Windmills would create 400 [four hundred] jobs. This doesn't seem accurate, and I may have misunderstood his statement. ANYONE, Please tell me I heard this wrong. I could not see how any of them hurt themselves, other than this.

Posted by: lylepink | December 13, 2007 4:36 PM | Report abuse

mibrooks writes
"ANd where do you suppose THAT money comes from? The Easter Bunny? Nope. The taxpayer."

Actually, 'the easter bunny' is closer to the truth. Since we're no longer on the gold standard, money comes from nowhere. If the Fed Reserve wants to print money, it prints money. Voila! Money from nothing (well, from paper & ink)! The taxpayer is not involved.

But that's not what's happening here. The Fed also acts as a 'borrower of last resort' for banks. They're trying to free up the money supply by making sure money is available to borrowers. Perhaps someone like JD can offer more insight into the process. But this is not a 'bailout' or 'welfare' in the sense that money is being handed out for free.

Posted by: bsimon | December 13, 2007 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Sign me up, I love free stuff.

Posted by: kingofzouk | December 13, 2007 4:28 PM | Report abuse

kingofzouk - A news flash for YOU. It isn't only "libs" that think this way. Recent poll results published by the BCC, Der Spiegel and other European outlets show conclusively that a majority of Republican voters feel precisely the same way. This is what Huckabee's campaign is about. You can be absolutely certain that polls have been conducted in the U.S. that show an even greater margin than the 70% in the European polls, but it is unliekly they will be published becasue the MSM is all corporate owned and only reports what their corporate masters tell them to report.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | December 13, 2007 4:26 PM | Report abuse

stupid thing. nevermind that.

Posted by: thecrisis | December 13, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Brian's Blog

Posted by: thecrisis | December 13, 2007 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Brian's Blog

Posted by: thecrisis | December 13, 2007 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I have just the solution for your neighbors drindl -

1 welfare
2 bail out

except:
why should i be forced to bailout someone because their bad decisions caused a market failure?

"can't even afford to rent here, it's too expensive"

so drindl should buy a home and be forced to rent it below market - no?

move their kids to a lesser school - how about we throw a bunch of money at the school so they can hire more admin and keep all the lousy teachers and give them a raise, that will fix that - no?

All these Lib ideas keep failing. but why can't the government guarantee success and happiness for every citizen. and why can't we control the weather. and why can't we talk our enemies into liking us? And why can't we all have unlimited free doctors? And all you can eat steak and lobster? all we have to do is tax the rich.

this must be the Republicans fault. Harry, Nancy, are you listening???

Posted by: kingofzouk | December 13, 2007 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, Mark, as always, for your civil and informative answer. You have a really interesting and worthy history.

I know forecloseure is not he end of the world, but for some it feels like it. I know two families here in Westchester, who are being foreclosed, one because of a family illness and the other a job loss. They did lose everything, economically, because their homes were their major asset. One of the women has 4 kids and they can't even afford to rent here, it's too expensive--so they have to move their kids to a lesser school. With kids, especially, it's so hard.

Posted by: drindl | December 13, 2007 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

It's do or die for all the candidates, not just Mrs. Clinton. You know that. So why deputize your readers to only give Mrs. Clinton advice on what she should do next? I read this blog most days, and I've yet to see you solicit reader advice for ideas on what may work best for Senator Obama. Yet this isn't the first time you've sought to enlist your readers to brainstorm on behalf of the Clinton campaign.

Posted by: dk98103 | December 13, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

the level of economic ignorance of the typical Lib voter is astounding.

Posted by: kingofzouk | December 13, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

bsimon -
"why should i be forced to bailout big lenders because their bad practices caused a market failure?" You are not. The Fed is freeing up money for borrowing, not for taking.
Posted by: bsimon

ANd where do you suppose THAT money comes from? The Easter Bunny? Nope. The taxpayer. We're a little sick of tax payer money going to support corporations and businesses, but especially businesses that outsource jobs or use guest workers, displacing Amercian workers. For those companies, let's remove any and all tax breaks and deductions. If they go under as a result - good. If they pack up their bags and leave - wave bye and add extra punative measures on corporate officer salaries, goods and services that are imported into this country. In other words, make them BLEED. If they owe no loyalty to the people of this country, we certainly have no obligations to them. And that goes double for investors, bankers, brokers, anyone.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | December 13, 2007 3:59 PM | Report abuse

It was a pleasant debate and I thought Obama was more comfortable than I've seen him in other debates. I think that was because this time they didn't put him right next to Clinton; she always seems to glower at him during debates so this time he got a break not having that negative energy right next to him.

Posted by: Malia2 | December 13, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

The signature moment of the debate came when Obama told Hillary that he was looking forward to having her advise him as President. I believe this was the defining moment of the Democratic campaign and from here on out, Obama will begin to take control of the race.

It is becoming very clear that Americans are ready for a new type of leader in Washington and Obama fits that role to a T.

Obama is the only serious candidate that can bring Americans together. He can get all the Democratic votes, the majority of independent votes and some Republican votes. Hillary is so polarizing that she will get no support from anyone other than her most ardent supporters and that will not allow her to win a general election.

Posted by: gthstonesman | December 13, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

As a followup to my comments yesderday about the consequences of the falling dollar and our insane outsourcing of even basic necessitities, the Commerce Department just released their inflationm report - "...Wholesale prices shot up 3.2 percent, the biggest jump in 34 years..."

Clinton has paid the price for ignoring the preditory corporate practices of outsourcing and guest workers and the dire effects they have had on this country. Long before the 2008 election, our economy will be in shambles, and everyone knows full well that it is *ALL* due to investor and corporate driven "globalization". As I understand her remarks today, she is pretty much echoing Edwrds and Lou Dobbs --- hold onto your hats, this will spell trouble for Obama. I still don't think the Democratic leadership, much less the Republican leadership, realize how much voters want protectionist legislation enacted, punitive acts against corporations for every good or service produced as a result of outsourcing/offshoring.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | December 13, 2007 3:45 PM | Report abuse

rufas - that is called the politics of division. I thought you hated that. In fact, the congress voted to go to war and the war is being fought on all of our behalfs. "

BAsed on lies. Once the dems found out they were being lied to they cahnged their tune. The war would be over if we elected all of congress at once. The gop would have been swept compleatly then. We finish the obstructionists off in 08.

"The dems are terrorist/un-american". The dem's are pus8y's. I'll give you taht. But they are not traitors like your party. You know I am for a thrid party for the people. Right now we're stuck between fascist traitors and cowards. My hand has been forced in this election zouk. But if clinton or the gop wins, a new party will sweep in 2012. I'm hoping we can salvage what we have. The last couple weeks have been great for me politicaly and gave me a second win. I was frustrated with the dem's for a year there. Fiannly they are starting to realize what we are dealing with..

I really hope the american people are smarter than they appear. Tiem will tell. I do not pretend to know all. I just hope my opinion becomes mainstream and yours becomes treason. Time will tell who wins. I'm praying for jailtime for treason

Posted by: JKrishnamurti | December 13, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

You mean the sky is not falling? try back tomorrow drindl.

Posted by: kingofzouk | December 13, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I missed the Dems. I have now read the Transcript for the Rs, from yesterday. Did this one have more content?

I'll read the transcript tomorrow - tell me what you thought if you saw it. Otherwise, I am good with the off-topic stuff.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | December 13, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

drindl, thanks to the real estate bust in Austin in the late 80s I had five consecutive years in my life avoiding bankruptcy by working 80 hour weeks and never once taking a vacation.

We lost our farm when I was 11. Went through Jr. HS and HS on a few pair of jeans and a pair of chinos. Would have joined the Navy in '60 for the GI Bill if I had not had scholarships to both Yale and Rice and a job offer from ESSO that would have paid my way through engineering school as well, but at night.
-----------------------------------
I have voluntarily "saved" a half dozen folks from foreclosures in 40 years of practice - when I thought they really had good cases and were too broke to hire a lawyer. Lawyers do this all the time, all over America. Legal Aid does this for folks who cannot afford lawyers, as well.

I am not blind to the social problem nor to the cost to the "good credit" of the United States, such as it is. But the social problem is very localized, and most pronounced in new subdivisions outside Phoenix and in central Florida, from what I have read. As local problems go, these may be big enough to require help from cities, counties, or states, if those political subdivisions think the problems are worthy of attention [in order to keep their property tax bases from collapsing, in order to keep their homeless populations from exploding, in order to get votes].

The market will resolve the issue for many in favor of renegotiated loans, for some by resales, but most of the remaining problems are local, and foreclosure is neither the end of the world nor the end of life's dreams. Renting is OK too.


Posted by: mark_in_austin | December 13, 2007 3:35 PM | Report abuse

What the military thinks about waterboarding:

''When asked about the practice of waterboarding at a recent debate, former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani declared that he would allow "every method [interrogators] could think of and I would support them in doing it." Attorney General Mike Mukasey consistently refused to render a legal opinion on the matter.

In its December issue, the military magazine Armed Forces Journal chastises Giuliani and Mukasey for "their tacit support for waterboarding":

'Let AFJ be crystal clear on a subject where these men are opaque: Waterboarding is a torture technique that has its history rooted in the Spanish Inquisition. In 1947, the U.S. prosecuted a Japanese military officer for carrying out waterboarding on a U.S. civilian during World War II.

Waterboarding inflicts on its victims the terror of imminent death. And as with all torture techniques, it is, therefore, an inherently flawed method for gaining reliable information. In short, it doesn't work. That blunt truth means all U.S. leaders, present and future, should be clear on the issue.'

Furthermore, Armed Forces Journal leans conservative. Four of six of its contributing editors are either conservative pundits or have positions in conservative think-tanks:

Ralph Peters - New York Post columnist and Weekly Standard contributor

Peter Brookes -- Senior Fellow, Heritage Foundation

Christopher Griffin -- Research Fellow, American Enterprise Institute

Seth Cropsey -- Former Bush administration member; fellow at the Hudson Institute, Heritage Foundation, and AEI.

Posted by: drindl | December 13, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse

claudia writes
"why should i be forced to bailout big lenders because their bad practices caused a market failure?"

You are not. The Fed is freeing up money for borrowing, not for taking.

Posted by: bsimon | December 13, 2007 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Thank you caludia. Pat tillman is not an isolated incident.

Ever wonder why the gop is trying to marginalze non-gop military members past and present. Pat TIllman. Remember that name. He represents many dead soldiers.

Posted by: JKrishnamurti | December 13, 2007 3:23 PM | Report abuse

'don't you ever get embarrassed by your own rantings?'

LOL. coming from you, omigod you are so amusing. I llaught at you every day. and so does everyone else on this blog.

Posted by: drindl | December 13, 2007 3:22 PM | Report abuse

rufas - that is called the politics of division. I thought you hated that. In fact, the congress voted to go to war and the war is being fought on all of our behalfs. It is yours, mine and ours. don't beleive me, go back and look at the vote. you will see Kerry, clinton, Edwards.......all voted for it. ( that is what the polls told them to do at the time) Obambi was still in high school at the time so he didn't vote.

Posted by: kingofzouk | December 13, 2007 3:21 PM | Report abuse

again

"But the Republicans have made it very clear that this is not just George Bush's war. This is the war of the Republicans in Congress."
"

Bush's approval numbers have been the lowest of any president. Without the gop spin machine, if their cult knew the truth and teh crimes that were going on, his numbers would be even lower.

That is why the gop is done. If the gop backs bush, if they do not want to change any of his principles, then the gop is more of the same as bush.

Do the american people want to re-elect bush? You cannot change course or hold the gop accountable for their criminality by re-electing them. And the moderates are in the same boat. I know old people fear change. But you have tow choices. Continue down the road bush has traiblazed, OR throw him and his criminal adminsistration and those that cover-up in jail for decades. Two choices. We will find out in 08 if change wins. If the gop wins (huckabee still up in the air and doesn't apply at this time) or clinton biden we have no change in foreign policy. think on that voters. If you like the way the country is headed, vote gop or clinton. Otherwise you got paul oabam edwards. Those re the choices. I made mine. thknk about yours.

Posted by: JKrishnamurti | December 13, 2007 3:21 PM | Report abuse

In today's debate, from what I'm seeing the moderator seems to be trying harder today to press the candidates to defend their records. Bill Richardson just got hit with the WenHo Lee issue..of course he just reverted back to his humble "I'm not perfect" act. If this is do-or-die for Clinton, I'd say she's dying.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | December 13, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Now here's a Republican who is a decent man:

'Earlier this week, former Halliburton/KBR employee Jamie Leigh Jones revealed that in 2005 she had been "raped by multiple men at a KBR camp" in Baghdad. For the past two years, her congressman, Rep. Ted Poe (R-TX), has been pushing the federal government to investigate the matter, but he "says neither the department of State nor Justice will give him answers" on the status of the investigation.

On CNN's Lou Dobbs' Tonight last night, Poe said that he does "not think this is an isolated case" and encouraged "other victims to notify" his office:

DOBBS: Now I know you've written a letter to the U.S. attorney general, Michael Mukasey, seeking his intervention in this case. Is there anything the audience of this broadcast can do so assist you?

POE: Yes, exactly. There's something you can do. We do not think this is an isolated case of sexual assault against American citizens in Baghdad by coworkers of certain contractors. We want the other victims to notify my office immediately.'

Frustrated by the government's inaction, Jones is now taking her case to the civil court system, but KBR is pushing for it to be heard in "private arbitration," without a "public record or transcript."

Beyond Poe, Jones' cause has been taken up by Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) and Rep. John Conyers (D-MI), who both wrote to Attorney General Michael Mukasey urging him to investigate her claims. Yesterday, the House Judiciary Committee announced that it will hold a hearing on Jones' allegations next Wednesday.'

The Rumsfeld legacy -- privatizing the military with vicious [mostly foreign] mercernaries, accountable to no one and continuing to get away with literal murder.

Posted by: drindl | December 13, 2007 3:17 PM | Report abuse

"it was easy to see it would be too tempting for many poor/uneducated/older people, who are so easy to con and dupe."

these are called Democrats and are just as easily duped at the voting booth.

the howling moonbat strikes again. displays an utter disregard for any economic facts. don't you ever get embarrassed by your own rantings?

Posted by: kingofzouk | December 13, 2007 3:16 PM | Report abuse

post the entire stroy zouk

"WASHINGTON (AP) - House Speaker Nancy Pelosi lashed out at Republicans on Thursday, saying they want the Iraq war to drag on and are ignoring the public's priorities.
"They like this war. They want this war to continue," Pelosi, D- Calif., told reporters. She expressed frustration over Republicans' ability to force majority Democrats to yield ground on taxes, spending, energy, war spending and other matters.

"We thought that they shared the view of so many people in our country that we needed a new direction in Iraq," Pelosi said at her weekly news conference in the Capitol. "But the Republicans have made it very clear that this is not just George Bush's war. This is the war of the Republicans in Congress."

"

Posted by: JKrishnamurti | December 13, 2007 3:15 PM | Report abuse

f you have any savings in a money-market fund, this 'corporate welfare' is good for you too.'

and what if i don't? why should i be forced to bailout big lenders because their bad practices caused a market failure? anybody with eyes could see they was going to happen. I had people calling me every 5 minutes trying to sell my some whack mortgage, no money down, no credit or income check, crazy terms--it was easy to see it would be too tempting for many poor/uneducated/older people, who are so easy to con and dupe.

so the lenders made a fortune and now they're whining for taxpayers to bail them out of th mess they got themselves into. we'll bail them out and then they'll do it all over again.

Posted by: drindl | December 13, 2007 3:11 PM | Report abuse

WASHINGTON - House Speaker Nancy Pelosi lashed out at Republicans on Thursday, saying they want the Iraq war to drag on and are ignoring the public's priorities. "They like this war. They want this war to continue," Pelosi, D- Calif., told reporters. She expressed frustration over Republicans' ability to force majority Democrats to yield ground on taxes, spending, energy, war spending and other matters. (Snip) Asked to clarify her remarks, Pelosi backed off a bit. "I shouldn't say they like the war," she said.

she is really just a confused old grandma. Like hillary she adapts her position with the changing of the tides. Like dust-speck Harry Reid, she hasn't won a victory despite holding the majority. Dems must like debating approps bills, just not passing them.

Posted by: kingofzouk | December 13, 2007 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Cillizza is a joke. What else is new?

Posted by: zukermand | December 13, 2007 3:09 PM | Report abuse

"JK: How long have you been in our country and when did you pass your citzenship exam."

You republcains have to talk about something other than the issues. I'm helping to keep you involved. We all know you can't combat the issues. I give you something you can attack. otherwise you all would not be able to say anything and would run and hide every time I appear on this blog. I'm helping bring you back into reality by misspelling. Making you have to think for yourselves. OTher than following your master propogandists,

Born and raised here. San jose ca, same as pat tillman. Public school. Army infantry. Some college. Any other smears lies or discreidting attempts?

Posted by: JKrishnamurti | December 13, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

"SO SORRY, SHE SAID

CLINTON APOLOGIZES TO OBAMA OVER DRUG HIT: Hillary makes it clear there will be no negative personal attacks by her campaign going forward... Developing... "

From drudge, so take it with a grain of salt. Politics of hope. We will see

Posted by: JKrishnamurti | December 13, 2007 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Actually these are loans to support the liquidity of the world market - exactly what the central bank is designed to do.

Welfare is a liberal give-away and is quite different. But I wouldn't expect drindl to know anything about economics that doesn't begin and end in a howl.

Posted by: kingofzouk | December 13, 2007 2:54 PM | Report abuse

claudia writes
"More corporate welfare"

If you have any savings in a money-market fund, this 'corporate welfare' is good for you too.

Posted by: bsimon | December 13, 2007 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Who won the Des Moines Register Democratic Debate in Iowa?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=1296

.

Posted by: jeffboste | December 13, 2007 2:43 PM | Report abuse

mikeB - a new poll must have come in. don't get too excited. New polls come in every week. and every week clinton has a new position.

Posted by: kingofzouk | December 13, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

"The Federal Reserve, along with the UK, Swiss and Canadian central banks agreed yesterday to pump more than $50 billion into the world money markets "in a move designed to prevent the worsening credit crunch derailing the world economy,"

More corporate welfare

Posted by: drindl | December 13, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

bhoomes - what makes you think rufas is in this country? I am skeptical he is on this planet.

without non-thinking, ignorant voters like him, the Dems would already be Whigs. but the offer of free stuff from the government keeps them going.

Posted by: kingofzouk | December 13, 2007 2:39 PM | Report abuse

News flash! Hell has frozen over! Clinron apologized to Obama for the ugly remarks by her handlers AND has announced that she is now for placing strict limits on "globalization" - taxes, fees, duties on goods and services proeduced as a consequence of outsourcing. Nothing about H1-B and ohret guest workers, but at long last she is starting to "get it" and actually *talk* like a Democrat. Now, we have only two weeks to figure out whether she means it.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | December 13, 2007 2:39 PM | Report abuse

JK: How long have you been in our country and when did you pass your citzenship exam. Your spelling is horrendous and your lack of knowledge about our history is disturbing for someone who I assume can cast a vote next year.

Posted by: vbhoomes | December 13, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

off topic

Blarg,I was w-w-rong. When I clicked on the Edwards' sory I got this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/10/AR2007121001587.html

which is the third line title in the box and highly critical. I see it leads with the same puff as the others.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | December 13, 2007 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Welcome moe, head of the jackels. How was group?

Posted by: kingofzouk | December 13, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

"YEAH, I simply do not have it in me to watch another debate with the moderator/editor from the Des Moines Register. Its almost like they were intentionaly making it so drab and boring no one would watch.

Posted by: vbhoomes | December 13, 2007 02:22 PM
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It was the repub's that destroyed that debate, not the moderator. Alan keyes. He had more questions than anyone. No. The gop does not want to debate anymore. They don't like to talk in that format. Lie spin and discredit is all they got. They want to attack. Can't do it in that format unless they go after each other. they have thrown in the towel.

Peace. God BLess. I'm done for the week

Hold it down Claudia

Posted by: JKrishnamurti | December 13, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

YEAH, I simply do not have it in me to watch another debate with the moderator/editor from the Des Moines Register. Its almost like they were intentionaly making it so drab and boring no one would watch.

Posted by: vbhoomes | December 13, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse

"Alec Schierenbeck, 20, is the president of College and Young Democrats of Iowa and said he intends to caucus, though he is undecided on a candidate.

Schierenbeck, a junior at Grinnell who hails from Brooklyn, N.Y., was in the audience and said he was horrified by Clinton's answer.

"This is a Republican tactic," said Schierenbeck, citing the campaign of Danny Carroll, the former Republican state representative for Grinnell's district.

He sent a mailing in his 2004 reelection campaign that asked, "[W]hy would you let 1,000 east-coast liberal kids elect your representative?" in reference to Grinnell students. (In fact, less than half Grinnell's 1,400 students are from East Coast states.)
"

Enough said. I'm done. I don;t know if claudia is talking about me or zouk. no one else is posting. To scared so I'll leave you people to talk about mike gravel or tancredo or whatever else that is "important".

Posted by: JKrishnamurti | December 13, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

accomplish

Accomplice

Posted by: JKrishnamurti | December 13, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

My first week on this site, zouk ask "Show me where treason is illegal". this is the mentality we are dealing with.

"show me where treason is illegal".

I really think the moderates in the democratic party need to stop bowing to these fascists and realize what is really going on. That is why many will never support hillary. She has become an accomplish to criminal behavior. Rather than standing agaisnt treason, many moderates are enabling it. What does that make them? My two cents

Posted by: JKrishnamurti | December 13, 2007 2:16 PM | Report abuse

' Beset by stories -- that play into a narrative that her campaign is panicking.'

Yes, stories created and dissemenated by the media themselves. The same media swiftboating that happens to democrats every time. So predictable, so transparent, so tedious.

Posted by: drindl | December 13, 2007 2:16 PM | Report abuse

These people are living in the 60's blarg. Reasoning with them is of no use. the dittoheads are a lost cause. i thought that they were being mislead and lied to. But now we know fox rush and their ilk have been lying daily to the elderly. The iran intel proved this beond a shoadow of a doubt. But the right still lvoes these people? "give me more lies". they say.

They are a lost cause. Fascist propogandists. you waste your time trying to bring them into this decade. To muc time to make up. They are 4 decades behind reality. Rudoch and Rush created a nice safe dream land for them.

I heard a good arguement regarding this yesterday. It said that in the past, there were peopel that say they are wrong. In the past their was always the vioce of reason to say, Torture is wrong, or that is treason, or what have you. Rush hannity o'reilly and their ilk say, "It's fine to be a racist." "It's fine to be a traitors." It's fine to be sexist" Or what have you. That is what changed.

Now you have reality and GOP reality. Hopefully 08 wakes them up to the real world when the 06 election sweep did not.

Posted by: JKrishnamurti | December 13, 2007 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Yes, CC -- can't you do something about the troll. He posts approximatelly every 2 minutes all day long with cut and paste drivel and is preventing any sensible conversation. I've seen many blogs die that way. Please check your logs any day between noon and seven and you will see what I mean.

If I were you, I would check his IP address as well and see if he's posting from an institutional server.

Posted by: drindl | December 13, 2007 2:11 PM | Report abuse

henryvu, who is the "they" in that sentence? Yes, I do think that a majority of voters would be willing to vote for "a black", as you put it. Polls reflect that as well; Obama ties or beats Clinton in most head-to-head matchups. Do you think there are a substantial number of voters who would support a white Democratic candidate but not Obama? I find that hard to believe.

Posted by: Blarg | December 13, 2007 2:06 PM | Report abuse

"Do you think they will vote for a black?
If you think so, sorry, I would say you don't know anything about the state of this country."

Tahnk you for showing independants what the gop really thinks. Thank you for showing the gop's face. I for one appreciate it. The youth are not as ignorant and scared as our fathers and grandfathers. You show your racist face. Time is pasting you by, old man. Get with the program. Stop sabotaging you rcountry. You racist sexist authoritarian fascits give america a bad name.

It is your fault our status in the world has slipped. It is your people's fault the dollar has slide. It is your people's fault the nation is divided. What has the gop done right. If all the people that voted for GW still vote republcain, then are in more trouble as a nation than we think. I for one would flee this fascist country, if that's the case. And you fascists deserve whatever peril befalls you.

You people are not america. You merly hide behind the flag. You do not care about our rothers and sisters serving. You merly hide behind them. To for those that are real patriots to stand up, and for the traitors to stand down.

The gop is done for 30 years. Enjoy you rirrelevance.

Posted by: JKrishnamurti | December 13, 2007 2:03 PM | Report abuse

"Obama spokeswoman: 'We should be encouraging young people to participate in the political process -- not looking for ways to shut them out.'
Photo: AP"

"Young activists furious with Clinton, Dodd

By: Ben Adler
Dec 13, 2007 12:37 PM EST


"It's terrible to have candidates making misleading statements about whether or not students can caucus," said Alexandra Acker, executive director of the Young Democrats of America.

"I'm very worried about the caucus-day implications of this," Acker said, concerned that discouraging students from caucusing will make an existing problem worse. "Students are disenfranchised at higher rates to begin with." "

she's a republcain alright. Supressing votes. Republcian to the core.

Posted by: JKrishnamurti | December 13, 2007 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Do you think they will vote for a black?
If you think so, sorry, I would say you don't know anything about the state of this country.
All voters who voted for GWB will vote for Republican again and we will wait for 8 more years.
White house is much more important than congress, even you win both houses of congress you would still be underdog. GWB at 26% approval still vetoed and vetoed again whatever he wants to. The supreme court is in the hand of Republican already. With one more conservative justice you will see abortion ban, affirmative action disappear, gun soar.....
Think about it first before your hate.

Posted by: henryvu | December 13, 2007 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I really hope she firebombs him both in the debate and over the air. He'll be forced to hit back, they'll both drop in the polls, and then maybe one of the more qualified, more electable candidates can sneek in and gain some traction.

The more I think about it, I don't think I could bring myself to vote for either one of them in the general election.

Considering the travesty that has been the last seven years, the whole thing is really discouraging...

Posted by: bigred1120 | December 13, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse

"too bad teh gop will use barak's bragging about his drug use against him.

Sheehan shouldn't have apologized, he should have repeat it.

Posted by: newagent99 | December 13, 2007 01:45 PM
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hahhahahha

repaeat the lies, huh. Forget truth, lies spin and discredit are what matters, right swift boaters. The american people see through you rlies now. The gop is done. Accept it and move on.

And sheehan didn't appologize, clinton did herself. Callsy move. More than I can say for the right-wing lying propogantists on this site. This is not a nation of dittoheads. Only dittoheads now by gop swift boat tactics. Clinotn included of course, as she is a republcain

Posted by: JKrishnamurti | December 13, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse


Here is a thoughtful, in-depth analysis of the top 3 Democrats candidates and the rationale behind one bloggers support for Clinton.

http://theleftcoaster.com/archives/011500.php

Posted by: grzz_76 | December 13, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Clinton will answer in riddles as usual never answering directly because if she did no one would elect her as a dog catcher let along president of the free world.

Posted by: fredsndrs | December 13, 2007 1:50 PM | Report abuse

too bad teh gop will use barak's bragging about his drug use against him.

Sheehan shouldn't have apologized, he should have repeat it.

Posted by: newagent99 | December 13, 2007 1:45 PM | Report abuse

That's pretty interesting, zouk, considering how you commandeered the board for the previous item.

You're a funny guy. Funny sad, not funny ha-ha, of course.

Posted by: Spectator2 | December 13, 2007 1:39 PM | Report abuse

CC, I think she should stay above the fray, don't act defensive, have crisp, clear responses, and be positive, hopeful and optimistic . Get back on message and act like a president-to-be.

Posted by: rdklingus | December 13, 2007 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Unless the moderator for the Des Moines Register takes a quick correspondence course on debate moderation, it will be a snoozefest and no candidate will benefit.

Posted by: danielhancock | December 13, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

"CC: Thanks for the latest item. The board for the last one has been flooded by posts from a troll.

Posted by: LoudounVoter | December 13, 2007 01:18 PM
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I heard that. I got banned for liberal point of view. What is the differance between the old rufus identity and zouk? Why does zouk not get banned for using my old tactics?

Republcains have free speech in this country. People not gop clones have to pay for what they say. Now you see why I blog. now you see why Fox rush malkin hannity and the rest of them need to be off the air. for the atreet to run both ways. So courts are teh judges and the people are the jury. As opposed to fascist right-wing demi-gods.

Posted by: JKrishnamurti | December 13, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

CC - looks like you are headed for an Air america again. moonbat central in here today.

There are choices to be made - do you want O'Reilly's ratings or Krazy Keith?

you are going to have to find a way to limit the three stooges - Larry (aka loud and dumb), curly (aka rufas) and simple simon (aka Shemp). no sing of the head jackel today Moe.

Must be group therapy day.

Posted by: kingofzouk | December 13, 2007 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Clinton needs most of all to demonstrate again her steadiness under pressure.

Her debating style of knowing the material, knowing the audience and giving informative crisp answers will work here.

The President is the one we all turn to when things go awry.

Clinton needs to show that she is steady and dependable enough to be the one that we will turn to.

Posted by: pach12 | December 13, 2007 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Obama campaign calls drug use "old news," slaps back:

"Hillary Clinton said attacking other Democrats is the 'fun part' of this campaign, and now she's moved from Barack Obama's kindergarten years to his teenage years in an increasingly desperate effort to slow her slide in the polls.
Senator Clinton's campaign is recycling old news that Barack Obama has been candid about in a book he wrote years ago, and he's talked about the lessons he's learned from these mistakes with young people all across the country.

He plans on winning this campaign by focusing on the issues that actually matter to the American people," said Obama campaign manager David Plouffe.

Clinton campaign repudiation:

"Senator Clinton is out every day talking about the issues that matter to the American people. These comments were not authorized or condoned by the campaign in any way."


Get new propoganda agaisnt Obama moderate sell-outs. Kindegarden and teenage years are not for political attacks. Desperation from the Yale Plan, setting in.

Get something new. the gop has nothing, clinton included.

Posted by: JKrishnamurti | December 13, 2007 1:28 PM | Report abuse

"clasy move. She should not go there. Move on. There's nopthing to see here.

"CLINTON PERSONALLY APOLOGIZES TO OBAMA OVER DRUG FLAPOn tarmac at Reagan Airport en route to debate, Clinton tells rival that negative, personal characterizations are not a part of her campaign.

Disavows comments by big-shot New Hampshire supporter Billy Shaheen
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Posted by: JKrishnamurti | December 13, 2007 01:09 PM

Now everyone that ran their mouth, are they going to appologize for spreading lies and rumors?

Posted by: JKrishnamurti | December 13, 2007 01:11 PM
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It doesn't look like they are panicing. They are panicing. Many issues are converging on clinton, not oprah. Her Iran stance and the new intel is on of the major problems she has with the left. As well as her lock step marching with bush-cheaney. As opposed to holding them to account and demanding they go to prison.

Posted by: JKrishnamurti | December 13, 2007 1:24 PM | Report abuse

'Do or Die for Clinton' seems a bit of an exaggeration. Though on the other hand, the trend lines are not going in her direction.

I think her challenge is to demonstrate that she is driven by principles, not by polls, which may be a tall order for a strictly moderated debate.

Posted by: bsimon | December 13, 2007 1:19 PM | Report abuse

CC: Thanks for the latest item. The board for the last one has been flooded by posts from a troll.

Posted by: Spectator2 | December 13, 2007 1:18 PM | Report abuse

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